NO to reconstruction

[Onion]

Three times already reconstruction has been put on the table. Each time with a 14 team top league and every time rejected.The first was with a reconstruction group of nearly half the league.
Its clear it isnt right.
The SPFL board need looked at here.

:agree: Permanent change quickly dismissed by the Budge Reconstruction Group months back as it was unacceptable to so many for very good reasons - probably including even Hearts. Now, they're all being asked to vote or comment or email or zoom on a horrible 14 team permanent top league - which the media appear to support. Why ? Where is the financial analysis and research that suggests this is better than the current set up ? The ONLY certainty is that it means Inverness and Hearts get promoted.

It's almost as if the SPFL have delegated the process to the worst managed club in the land. It has been that bad.

[Joe6-2]

I think it’s important that this decision isn’t rushed...

I think it’s important we know whose idea it is, why is this ‘suddenly” on the table?
It stinks to high heaven that’s it’s after someone associated with herts puts money into the coffers.
Of course the fans will be treated as idiots and fed crap!

[Waxy]

:agree: Permanent change quickly dismissed by the Budge Reconstruction Group months back as it was unacceptable to so many for very good reasons - probably including even Hearts. Now, they're all being asked to vote or comment or email or zoom on a horrible 14 team permanent top league - which the media appear to support. Why ? Where is the financial analysis and research that suggests this is better than the current set up ? The ONLY certainty is that it means Inverness and Hearts get promoted.

It's almost as if the SPFL have delegated the process to the worst managed club in the land. It has been that bad.

If They didnt want to relegate clubs they shouldnt have put it in the vote.
Then we could have waited to play out the season.
They cant just pick bits out of the process that suit them.
It all should be over and the SPFL should stand by the vote.
England L1and L2 have just done the same.

[Peevemor]

If They didnt want to relegate clubs they shouldnt have put it in the vote.
Then we could have waited to play out the season.
They cant just pick bits out of the process that suit them.
It all should be over and the SPFL should stand by the vote.
England L1and L2 have just done the same.

The vote was to finish the season as per the rules that are in place. Playing out the season was impossible.

The way they chose to do things is correct, ie. call the season then study reconstruction. That it's dragging on this long after so many failed propositions isn't.

[Heisenberg]

I see it’s only reached this next stage according to Doncaster because it has sufficient support to do so. Now that doesn’t mean it’s a certainty to happen, I can still see two clubs in the top league saying no. I’d be amazed if Aberdeen suddenly flipped after being against permanent reconstruction the whole time, that leaves it needing one more to say no. Hibs, St Mirren, Ross County, Hamilton, St Johnstone. Take your pick.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://twitter.com/TEnglishSport/status/1270669497888899072?s=08

Find it mental that he doesn't think that all of this is a bit of a coincidence and that it's all down to budge. someone in MSM must have a set of cojones to question what the **** is going on if hearts miraculously get promoted without a ball being kicked

[Scorrie]

What’s Sky’s view of a 14 team league? I assume they’ll be spoken to by SPFL? I suppose if they get their 4 OF games they’ll be happy but would they want a league with lots of meaningless games?

[JimBHibees]

Why don't all teams ask their season ticket holders to vote on the latest proposal? It wouldn't require them to vote that way but would give a clear indication of fan preference. Only slightly tongue in cheek. :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

What’s Sky’s view of a 14 team league? I assume they’ll be spoken to by SPFL? I suppose if they get their 4 OF games they’ll be happy but would they want a league with lots of meaningless games?

Agree may want Edinburgh derbies though. They will have an influence that is for sure.

[MacGruber]

Been confirmed now that it is 17/22 votes between Prem and championship. 11/12 Prem and 6 Championship. 15 out ot L1 and L2.

Before it was 11/12 Prem and 75% Championship - how has that managed to change. 6 instead of 8 Championship - Dundee's 'casting' vote last time was on 8 from Championship basis.

11/12 Prem.
Before bribe we know of
St Mirren a no
Aberdeen a no (to permanent)
Ross County a no (to soon)

St Johnstone, Motherwell & Hamilton all attributed concerns at least.

Hibs we are assuming a no but we haven't heard anything from the club.

If this corruption is allowed to stand from the bribery made in full public view our game loses any credibility it has. That will reflect in everything going forward, sponsors, attendance in general. Corrupt organisations aren't attractive.

That's not to mention that a 14 team league is ****. Some play 36, some play 40. Season ticket gamble - cheaper to pay walk up if 36 games. Seasons over by Feb, pointless Jan transfer windows. 3 months of meaningless games for 4 or 5 clubs. Apathy.

It's clearly a fudge and will pass. Jambos will celebrate it in the smug way they do... then when it's done will be moaning in a year or 2, once they are safe, how boring and **** the 14 team league set up is.

Whole thing a ****ing joke

[ac1]

https://twitter.com/TEnglishSport/status/1270669497888899072?s=08

Find it mental that he doesn't think that all of this is a bit of a coincidence and that it's all down to budge. someone in MSM must have a set of cojones to question what the **** is going on if hearts miraculously get promoted without a ball being kicked

Its plainly obvious he is getting the 'succulent lamb' served at Tynecastle!

[greenpaper55]

I think it’s important we know whose idea it is, why is this ‘suddenly” on the table?
It stinks to high heaven that’s it’s after someone associated with herts puts money into the coffers.
Of course the fans will be treated as idiots and fed crap!

It was the idea of the SPFL board after the previous two deals were thrown out, Doncaster and his crew are at it in a big way. Imagine voting for a permanent change to the league in a timescale of a few days with no details of relegation or promotion etc, the SPFL board needs to go !

[Billy Whizz]

It was the idea of the SPFL board after the previous two deals were thrown out, Doncaster and his crew are at it in a big way. Imagine voting for a permanent change to the league in a timescale of a few days with no details of relegation or promotion etc, the SPFL board needs to go !

He’s just playing the game

[JimBHibees]

Been confirmed now that it is 17/22 votes between Prem and championship. 11/12 Prem and 6 Championship. 15 out ot L1 and L2.

Before it was 11/12 Prem and 75% Championship - how has that managed to change. 6 instead of 8 Championship - Dundee's 'casting' vote last time was on 8 from Championship basis.

11/12 Prem.
Before bribe we know of
St Mirren a no
Aberdeen a no (to permanent)
Ross County a no (to soon)

St Johnstone, Motherwell & Hamilton all attributed concerns at least.

Hibs we are assuming a no but we haven't heard anything from the club.

If this corruption is allowed to stand from the bribery made in full public view our game loses any credibility it has. That will reflect in everything going forward, sponsors, attendance in general. Corrupt organisations aren't attractive.

That's not to mention that a 14 team league is ****. Some play 36, some play 40. Season ticket gamble - cheaper to pay walk up if 36 games. Seasons over by Feb, pointless Jan transfer windows. 3 months of meaningless games for 4 or 5 clubs. Apathy.

It's clearly a fudge and will pass. Jambos will celebrate it in the smug way they do... then when it's done will be moaning in a year or 2, once they are safe, how boring and **** the 14 team league set up is.

Whole thing a ****ing joke

Makes no sense the championship vote unless of course it is 9 prem 8 champs. Completely corrupt if that is the case.

[Peevemor]

It was the idea of the SPFL board after the previous two deals were thrown out, Doncaster and his crew are at it in a big way. Imagine voting for a permanent change to the league in a timescale of a few days with no details of relegation or promotion etc, the SPFL board needs to go !

It's not a vote - they're testing the water. If enough clubs are for then more details and a vote will follow.

[CropleyWasGod]

It was the idea of the SPFL board after the previous two deals were thrown out, Doncaster and his crew are at it in a big way. Imagine voting for a permanent change to the league in a timescale of a few days with no details of relegation or promotion etc, the SPFL board needs to go !

This process takes away any accusations of anti-club bias. There may have been clubs who voted, or expressed opinions, in a certain way because of their attitude to the club promoting the arrangement. By taking over the process, the Board remove all suggestions of that.

It could be a smart move, in case of having to defend the process in the future.

[Heisenberg]

Makes no sense the championship vote unless of course it is 9 prem 8 champs. Completely corrupt if that is the case.

If it goes to an actual vote it’s 11 in the Premiership, 8 in the Championship and 15 between Leagues One/Two. There’s suggestion that the BBC were talking about the indicative vote needing the 17/22 etc but either way they’ve just caused more confusion.

[we are hibs]

The daily mail are saying its 17/22 in the top 2 divisions too but 11 in the premiership which means a 6/4 vote in the championship? That cant be right?

[Hibs90]

Hibs need to come out and lead the way here, call this exactly what it is, reassure the fans. If we come out with a statement against reconstruction and call out this bull**** I can see other clubs following our lead.

[Lee Marvin]

I am surprised nobody has mentioned the last line of Keith Jackson's article in the DR from last night;

But Hearts will hope his intervention may have helped to whip up support ahead of next Monday’s deadline.

The intervention being the money from James Anderson. I know this is not fact and only an opinion of an idiot of a man, however this is plain for all to see. The change in mood happened right after the bribe. It's actually remarkable.

I was anger when posting last night and have had a chance to calm down and think more rationally. I said I was done with Scottish football if this goes through in a rage last night, my rationale self feels exactly the same this morning. That's very disappointing for me.

[Brightside]

Been confirmed now that it is 17/22 votes between Prem and championship. 11/12 Prem and 6 Championship. 15 out ot L1 and L2.

Before it was 11/12 Prem and 75% Championship - how has that managed to change. 6 instead of 8 Championship - Dundee's 'casting' vote last time was on 8 from Championship basis.

11/12 Prem.
Before bribe we know of
St Mirren a no
Aberdeen a no (to permanent)
Ross County a no (to soon)

St Johnstone, Motherwell & Hamilton all attributed concerns at least.

Hibs we are assuming a no but we haven't heard anything from the club.

If this corruption is allowed to stand from the bribery made in full public view our game loses any credibility it has. That will reflect in everything going forward, sponsors, attendance in general. Corrupt organisations aren't attractive.

That's not to mention that a 14 team league is ****. Some play 36, some play 40. Season ticket gamble - cheaper to pay walk up if 36 games. Seasons over by Feb, pointless Jan transfer windows. 3 months of meaningless games for 4 or 5 clubs. Apathy.

It's clearly a fudge and will pass. Jambos will celebrate it in the smug way they do... then when it's done will be moaning in a year or 2, once they are safe, how boring and **** the 14 team league set up is.

Whole thing a ****ing joke

How will it pass..... youve already said rightly that Aberdeen and St Mirren are against it. So its lost already.

[calumhibee1]

I am surprised nobody has mentioned the last line of Keith Jackson's article in the DR from last night;

But Hearts will hope his intervention may have helped to whip up support ahead of next Monday’s deadline.

The intervention being the money from James Anderson. I know this is not fact and only an opinion of an idiot of a man, however this is plain for all to see. The change in mood happened right after the bribe. It's actually remarkable.

I was anger when posting last night and have had a chance to calm down and think more rationally. I said I was done with Scottish football if this goes through in a rage last night, my rationale self feels exactly the same this morning. That's very disappointing for me.

To be fair that’s just what Keith Jackson is saying. It doesn’t really give any weight to the idea of it being a bribe.

That being said, it quite clearly is a bribe.

[Greenworld]

This process takes away any accusations of anti-club bias. There may have been clubs who voted, or expressed opinions, in a certain way because of their attitude to the club promoting the arrangement. By taking over the process, the Board remove all suggestions of that.

It could be a smart move, in case of having to defend the process in the future.If that is the case and i think you may be correct , then the indicative vote should be quick ie by tomorrow 5pm .
There is no need to draw this out any longer.
The premier clubs need to do the right thing here and vote this down .
The Clubs who would benefit, inverness , hearts and Dundee ( a better chance to get promotion) are all guilty in some way of jiggery pockery let's say.
The only way is to vote for status Q

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[cocteautwin]

https://twitter.com/TEnglishSport/status/1270669497888899072?s=08

Find it mental that he doesn't think that all of this is a bit of a coincidence and that it's all down to budge. someone in MSM must have a set of cojones to question what the **** is going on if hearts miraculously get promoted without a ball being kicked

To be honest, the £3m can't be anything apart from a good thing for Scottish football although it does have the strong stench of a bribe. It would be hilarious if the new reconstruction proposal is rejected next Monday after payment of the £3m :greengrin

[Lee Marvin]

Hibs need to come out and lead the way here, call this exactly what it is, reassure the fans. If we come out with a statement against reconstruction and call out this bull**** I can see other clubs following our lead.

I've been against Hibs getting involved publicly on this, however I agree with every word of the above now. Whilst this will be happening behind closed doors, the media tide needs to change to empower other teams to have the bravery to vote against it.

I am not sure any club bar Hibs would have the appetite to be one of two who bring this whole thing crashing down, even if they disagree with the proposals.

[Lee Marvin]

To be fair that’s just what Keith Jackson is saying. It doesn’t really give any weight to the idea of it being a bribe.

That being said, it quite clearly is a bribe.

I said that exact thing in my post

[greenpaper55]

It's strange that Doncaster is supporting a 14 team league when just a few years ago he was pushing very hard for a ten team league that all the fans hated ! By the way this mans salary for this year with a bonus is £388,000 ! Unbelievable for this level of incompetence.

[Brightside]

I've been against Hibs getting involved publicly on this, however I agree with every word of the above now. Whilst this will be happening behind closed doors, the media tide needs to change to empower other teams to have the bravery to vote against it.

I am not sure any club bar Hibs would have the appetite to be one of two who bring this whole thing crashing down, even if they disagree with the proposals.

Why would Aberdeen and St Mirren change their mind? They have zero reason too. and for that why would Celtic?

[Bristolhibby]

If it goes to an actual vote it’s 11 in the Premiership, 8 in the Championship and 15 between Leagues One/Two. There’s suggestion that the BBC were talking about the indicative vote needing the 17/22 etc but either way they’ve just caused more confusion.

What is this indicative voting pish? Get it voted on and get it killed.

Doon!

J

[Brightside]

It's strange that Doncaster is supporting a 14 team league when just a few years ago he was pushing very hard for a ten team league that all the fans hated ! By the way this mans salary for this year with a bonus is £388,000 ! Unbelievable for this level of incompetence.

He is not supporting anything! Jesus what is going on with everyone on here.

[GreenCastle]

I am surprised nobody has mentioned the last line of Keith Jackson's article in the DR from last night;

But Hearts will hope his intervention may have helped to whip up support ahead of next Monday’s deadline.

The intervention being the money from James Anderson. I know this is not fact and only an opinion of an idiot of a man, however this is plain for all to see. The change in mood happened right after the bribe. It's actually remarkable.

I was anger when posting last night and have had a chance to calm down and think more rationally. I said I was done with Scottish football if this goes through in a rage last night, my rationale self feels exactly the same this morning. That's very disappointing for me.

I picked this up earlier in a post.

It’s worrying - the SPFL have scored an own goal by the timing of this announcement.

I still don’t feel comfortable with the donations - clubs will use the money for the wrong reasons and all about short term games than actually benefiting Scottish Football.

The terms of the donation should be to demonstrate with a case study where the money was spent.

I agree I’m still annoyed they are even considering 14 still - adding 2 teams to the league isn’t change the game needs - 16/18 minimum. But again well thought out and nothing rushed through.

[Joe6-2]

Agree may want Edinburgh derbies though. They will have an influence that is for sure.

Sky are that interested in Scottish football that their ‘tickertape’ has English women’s football before the Scottish football

[Power]

Lots of good shouts and fair calls on this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion - club and fans are aligned in a lot of it.

Club has acted well throughout this crisis, No reason not to trust Hibs to do the right thing by the club and it’s people at this time - “we aim to make sure that our supporters, who have backed us so generously, will be at the forefront of our plans”. No concerns here - Club has been aware of Supporter feelings on this subject and more since early April.

A vote (informal or formal) to put the conversation to an end would be welcome. One thing I’d call out, the media isn’t reporting the news, it’s making the news.

[GreenCastle]

It's not a vote - they're testing the water. If enough clubs are for then more details and a vote will follow.

Yes - they have suggested another proposal.

It could be viewed 2 different ways..

Exploring all options to say to Hearts and others we have tried everything

Or

Let’s help Hearts and others by suggesting a structure which is slightly different but not too different as we are scared of actual proper change so this will have to do.

The feedback from proposal could easily be told no interest next week and nothing changes.

But I would be asking questions to the SPFL board - why they thought a 14 team league is the future for the game in Scotland ?!! Someone explain that to the media properly.

[green day]

Stop worrying about the "vote" nonsense on the BBC, Daily Mail etc.

That is simply to see if there are clubs even halfway interested in this - i.e if there is no interest it doesnt even go to a vote.

If it goes to an EGM, the actual vote is 11 from the Premiership, 8 from the Championship and 15 from L1 and L2 need to vote this through.

[Heckys Wheel]

He is not supporting anything! Jesus what is going on with everyone on here.

😂😂😂

This thread blows up every few pages when a new proposal is put forward.

Trust, loyalty, facts and common sense all out the window.

The state some people have gotten themselves in is embarrassing.

People pretending they’re handing back their season tickets and the “iF tHiS gOeS tHrOuGh I’m DoNe WiTh ScOtTiSh FoOtBaLl” brigade.

Everybody knows they’ll be back watching Hibs regardless.

[GreenCastle]

Lots of good shouts and fair calls on this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion - club and fans are aligned in a lot of it.

Club has acted well throughout this crisis, No reason not to trust Hibs to do the right thing by the club and it’s people at this time - “we aim to make sure that our supporters, who have backed us so generously, will be at the forefront of our plans”. No concerns here - Club has been aware of Supporter feelings on this subject and more since early April.

A vote (informal or formal) to put the conversation to an end would be welcome. One thing I’d call out, the media isn’t reporting the news, it’s making the news.

That last sentence seems true - lots of journalists looking for views and reactions to be relevant when actually nothing official Has been announced.

[Blaster]

Lots of good shouts and fair calls on this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion - club and fans are aligned in a lot of it.

Club has acted well throughout this crisis, No reason not to trust Hibs to do the right thing by the club and it’s people at this time - “we aim to make sure that our supporters, who have backed us so generously, will be at the forefront of our plans”. No concerns here - Club has been aware of Supporter feelings on this subject and more since early April.

A vote (informal or formal) to put the conversation to an end would be welcome. One thing I’d call out, the media isn’t reporting the news, it’s making the news.

Hibs should propose 12-12-10-10. Citing that 12 is the ideal number where a split is concerned

[we are hibs]

😂😂😂

This thread blows up every few pages when a new proposal is put forward.

Trust, loyalty, facts and common sense all out the window.

The state some people have gotten themselves in is embarrassing.

People pretending they’re handing back their season tickets and the “iF tHiS gOeS tHrOuGh I’m DoNe WiTh ScOtTiSh FoOtBaLl” brigade.

Everybody knows they’ll be back watching Hibs regardless.

At least people are giving an opinion. All you do is come onto threads posting pish like this to get a reaction then disappear. Thats embarrassing.

[steviehibsleith]

I have seen the new 14/10/10/10 proposal

Also people saying about a split in February so along with the proposal has it also been confirmed how the 14 team League will work.

All the 14 team leagues that I have seen on threads look terrible and Personally think within two years they would try reverting back to 12

[The Harp Awakes]

Why would Aberdeen and St Mirren change their mind? They have zero reason too. and for that why would Celtic?

I think some clubs who were previously no's, could change to yes due to the proposal now appearing to be a permanent change. However, I can't see Rangers or particularly Celtic being enthusiastic. Also can't see St Mirren or St Johnstone being swayed. Aberdeen are all over the shop so their position has to be uncertain.

As for Hibs, even if they were keen on the idea, it would be madness to vote for it, as the fall out with supporters would be massive.

So unless the SPFL Board has a cunning way of shifting the goalposts and forcing this through, reconstruction this year looks a dead duck.

[Greenworld]

Lots of good shouts and fair calls on this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion - club and fans are aligned in a lot of it.

Club has acted well throughout this crisis, No reason not to trust Hibs to do the right thing by the club and it’s people at this time - “we aim to make sure that our supporters, who have backed us so generously, will be at the forefront of our plans”. No concerns here - Club has been aware of Supporter feelings on this subject and more since early April.

A vote (informal or formal) to put the conversation to an end would be welcome. One thing I’d call out, the media isn’t reporting the news, it’s making the news.GOOD TO KNOW



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[Brightside]

Lots of good shouts and fair calls on this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion - club and fans are aligned in a lot of it.

Club has acted well throughout this crisis, No reason not to trust Hibs to do the right thing by the club and it’s people at this time - “we aim to make sure that our supporters, who have backed us so generously, will be at the forefront of our plans”. No concerns here - Club has been aware of Supporter feelings on this subject and more since early April.

A vote (informal or formal) to put the conversation to an end would be welcome. One thing I’d call out, the media isn’t reporting the news, it’s making the news.

Correct. People on here just need to calm down.

[Irish_Steve]

So, if reconstruction does happen and the cheats get re-instated, will Budge personally pay for out loos of income due to us being moved down a place because all this was about her not wanting any team to be unfairly punished............no, I don`t think so either

[MacGruber]

How will it pass..... youve already said rightly that Aberdeen and St Mirren are against it. So its lost already.

How? - £3million in cash. Call me a cynic (which would be fair btw)

As always, hope the cynic in me is wrong

[bingo70]

Lots of good shouts and fair calls on this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion - club and fans are aligned in a lot of it.

Club has acted well throughout this crisis, No reason not to trust Hibs to do the right thing by the club and it’s people at this time - “we aim to make sure that our supporters, who have backed us so generously, will be at the forefront of our plans”. No concerns here - Club has been aware of Supporter feelings on this subject and more since early April.

A vote (informal or formal) to put the conversation to an end would be welcome. One thing I’d call out, the media isn’t reporting the news, it’s making the news.

Thanks for taking the time to respond to folk like me that were taking tantrums last night.

One thing though, on your last point, the media doesn’t really have much choice just now. If the clubs aren’t speaking to them to give them an alternative accurate viewpoint they’ll need to report whatever they are being told.

I’ve calmed down since my hysteria last night but I still think Hibs could be out speaking to the supporters to explain our thoughts on league reconstruction, even within that they could stress that any decision wouldn’t be based on it being Hearts and a decision would be taken objectively based on what is best for the long term interests of the game.

I get the dignified silence thing and I know we need to be careful as it’s Hearts involved but I still think our communications on the subject could be better. Said it last night but I believe the best time to speak to ‘customers’ is when you’ve not actually got anything to say, would make the job a lot easier if there is bad news to be delivered further down the line.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

[lucky]

If the latest reconstruction is voted on I’d expect Hibs to do what’s best for Hibs. If the rest of the SPLF membership vote in favour of it then we just get on with backing our club. Reconstruction is not the saviour of Scottish football and all clubs are experiencing a massive drop in their income and I don’t expect all clubs to survive. If we get back to playing in front of crowds later this year we are still going to see a drop in attendances based on the mass unemployment that’s coming. I trust the Hibs board to do the right thing by our club

[Hibs90]

Lots of good shouts and fair calls on this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion - club and fans are aligned in a lot of it.

Club has acted well throughout this crisis, No reason not to trust Hibs to do the right thing by the club and it’s people at this time - “we aim to make sure that our supporters, who have backed us so generously, will be at the forefront of our plans”. No concerns here - Club has been aware of Supporter feelings on this subject and more since early April.

A vote (informal or formal) to put the conversation to an end would be welcome. One thing I’d call out, the media isn’t reporting the news, it’s making the news.

Cheers, it's good to hear the club shares the same view. So what will the club do if any sort of reconstruction passes?

[brog]

I was going to write a fairly lengthy post on this but I'm in despair at some of the comments on here so 2 serious questions only.
1. Has there been a vote on any reconstruction proposal to date?
2. Is there any significant difference for top tier teams in this proposal from Budge's original fag packet proposal which didn't even get to a vote?

[Since90+2]

Just a wee post for the obsessed jambos looking on:

We've won the Scottish cup more recently than you
We've won the League cup more recently than you
We've a bigger stadium than you
We've more season ticket holders than you and higher average attendance
We've finished above you 3 years in a row
We own our own training ground

#weeteamwiththeweestadium

[Chorley Hibee]

😂😂😂

This thread blows up every few pages when a new proposal is put forward.

Trust, loyalty, facts and common sense all out the window.

The state some people have gotten themselves in is embarrassing.

People pretending they’re handing back their season tickets and the “iF tHiS gOeS tHrOuGh I’m DoNe WiTh ScOtTiSh FoOtBaLl” brigade.

Everybody knows they’ll be back watching Hibs regardless.

Pretty condescending stuff from you there, not to mention an assumption backed up with no evidence.

I can assure you that I'm finished with Scottish football if this passes. I don't want any part of a game that is open to bribery and corruption in plain sight. One that is rigged for the benefit of certain clubs and to detriment of others.

If Hibs, and supporters such as yourself are happy with the above, then I'd suggest it's perhaps yourselves you should be looking at - rather than the people who've finally taken a stand against this whole charade.

[Kaff]

I hope Hibs don't come out publicly stating they want nothing to do with a 14 team league.
I'm sure behind the scenes we're putting our point across as a major player and will have due influence on the decision, the worst thing that can happen is us to be turned on by the idiots at Sportsound and the rags denouncing it as bitter Hobos getting one over their beloved Jambos.
We can do without that distraction and generating more pity, we need to stick to the facts and that is how poor a 14 team league will be and frankly that should be the main concern of all the full time clubs and those with potential to be full time.
This new SKY deal was negotiated on the excitement of the 12 team league and is the first major step forward on sponsorship for many years, its madness to possibly gamble that away. If we keep the Championship path to the top league accessible then the success filters all the way down and recent promoted teams have shown that's the case, ultimately that's why Hearts found themselves bottom as there's proper strength down the leagues. The bottom has also been improved with the pyramid shown again by the ability of the promoted clubs staying up.
Scottish football is on the up, don't gamble it away is my message to the SPFL members

[H18 SFR]

😂😂😂

People pretending they’re handing back their season tickets and the “iF tHiS gOeS tHrOuGh I’m DoNe WiTh ScOtTiSh FoOtBaLl” brigade.



I'm not done with Scottish football, far from it, I won't have a season ticket though. I said on another thread that, as I have a significant journey to get to Easter Road my circumstances are a little different.

[Brightside]

How? - £3million in cash. Call me a cynic (which would be fair btw)

As always, hope the cynic in me is wrong

its 50k per club... which means nothing to the majority of the SPL teams.

[ac1]

Yeah calmed down as well but the whole thing stinks.

No matter what happens the actual fun of Hearts getting relegated has completely disappeared. I won't be getting the beers out even if they do stay down. I would have laughed my head off if they had been relegated on the park but fed up with it now.

Scottish football is the pits at times

[hibeerealist]

Lots of good shouts and fair calls on this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion - club and fans are aligned in a lot of it.

Club has acted well throughout this crisis, No reason not to trust Hibs to do the right thing by the club and it’s people at this time - “we aim to make sure that our supporters, who have backed us so generously, will be at the forefront of our plans”. No concerns here - Club has been aware of Supporter feelings on this subject and more since early April.

A vote (informal or formal) to put the conversation to an end would be welcome. One thing I’d call out, the media isn’t reporting the news, it’s making the news.

Spot on Power, the media is making the news, end of.

Monday will pass with Hertz in the Championship, where they should be, and we can all get on with our daily lives reconstruction not going to happen ....certainly not a 14 team Prem.

Just calm doon.

[bingo70]

I was going to write a fairly lengthy post on this but I'm in despair at some of the comments on here so 2 serious questions only.
1. Has there been a vote on any reconstruction proposal to date?
2. Is there any significant difference for top tier teams in this proposal from Budge's original fag packet proposal which didn't even get to a vote?

2. The BBC suggested last night the premier league clubs want a 14 team league. As we are part of the Premier league that would seem to suggest it could include us. That came on the back of a day of premier league clubs discussing It.

That’s potentially quite significant and caused a lot if the excitement on here last night.

[Caversham Green]

It seems to me that this is the result of the SPFL board's (IMO ill-advised) letter asking clubs to suggest what would make a 14 team top league acceptable. There's little doubt in my mind that the letter was driven by the offer of a donation by JA. Whether that constitutes a bribe or not is a matter of opinion - mine is yes, it does. There's also been a hint of 'There's more where that came from' - could there be an 'if' after that line?

I think they have collated the most popular of these suggestions (the statement from Ken Ferguson's Brechin City specified it as the one arrangement they would accept) to put it to the member clubs. IIRC most of the League 1 & 2 clubs wanted a reconstruction to be permanent which is why it is stated as permanent in the proposal. They'll pass it because it makes little difference to them other than the identity of the teams they'll be playing. It strikes me as unlikely to get passed by the top two divisions as it makes little sense generally and even less sense as a permanent arrangement.

So far what has happened has been a bit unfair on three clubs (arguably a few more) but overall it has been the least unfair way of progressing IMO. Making the Premiership a less attractive product for the future is utter stupidity and I'm surprised any Premiership and aspiring Premiership clubs other than Hearts and ICT are even considering it.

[Onion]

To be fair that’s just what Keith Jackson is saying. It doesn’t really give any weight to the idea of it being a bribe.

That being said, it quite clearly is a bribe.

How ironic if it was Hibs and a few others who took Doncaster and SPFL to court for accepting dirty money in broad daylight. The timing of the bung and their change in attitude would make for a compelling case. Jees, a set of fans could bring a class action against those clowns and win that one.

[SMAXXA]

Cheers, it's good to hear the club shares the same view. So what will the club do if any sort of reconstruction passes?

What can the club do I’d expect them to accept this like every club if the clubs vote to change it.

[JimBHibees]

If it goes to an actual vote it’s 11 in the Premiership, 8 in the Championship and 15 between Leagues One/Two. There’s suggestion that the BBC were talking about the indicative vote needing the 17/22 etc but either way they’ve just caused more confusion.

Ok hope that is the case makes no sense changing the indicative vote process. Strange times.

[sauzee=legend]

Why doesn’t a team come out and make a statement by saying - if the league set up is changed from 12 teams to 14/16/18 etc, we will take the SPFL to court as haven’t agreed to this. We have been forced into something we don’t want/agree with and never voted for, if anything we’ve been bullied into this.
Hearts Rugby club wanna make threats etc - so can other teams.

[Caversham Green]

To be fair that’s just what Keith Jackson is saying. It doesn’t really give any weight to the idea of it being a bribe.

That being said, it quite clearly is a bribe.

I know it's Jackson and he's not the best with the English language, but the word 'intervention' is telling. If there were no strings attached it would be a donation not an intervention.

[green day]

2. The BBC suggested last night the premier league clubs want a 14 team league. As we are part of the Premier league that would seem to suggest it could include us. That came on the back of a day of premier league clubs discussing It.

That’s potentially quite significant and caused a lot if the excitement on here last night.

It was the SPFL board discussion yesterday, not the Premiership clubs.

Brian Mcglaughlin has been doing PR for hearts for weeks on this now, including incorrectly wording in a confusing way (but done deliberately) the required vote split in the Premiership / Championship.

[Stuart93]

Has this thread calmed down a bit?

Some massive assumptions were made & conclusions were jumped to last night.

[green day]

Why doesn’t a team come out and make a statement by saying - if the league set up is changed from 12 teams to 14/16/18 etc, we will take the SPFL to court as haven’t agreed to this. We have been forced into something we don’t want/agree with and never voted for, if anything we’ve been bullied into this.
Hearts Rugby club wanna make threats etc - so can other teams.

Probably because no vote has happened yet?

[grunt]

Making the Premiership a less attractive product for the future is utter stupidity and I'm surprised any Premiership and aspiring Premiership clubs other than Hearts and ICT are even considering it.This is where I am. But I fear the SPFL has the capacity to continue to surprise me.

[04Sauzee]

Well Known muppet David McCaig of Kickback and Twitter is back on twitter advising everyone who will listen

@TEnglishSport @mrewanmurray As predicted common sense now winning the day in SPFL. Rather than referring to it as 14-10-10-10 can we just agree to call it the Zero Detriment Model which is effectively what is. This is about righting the clear wrong of the initial proposal.

My understanding is Premiership split 10-2 (Hibs+1). If these clubs see sense Zero Detriment Model introduced via membership vote with Brora and Kelty joining L2 and financial distribution model changed from 1-44 with recognition of enlarged top flight.

If Hibs+1 continue to hold out, SPFL Board will use executive powers to move to slightly incongruous 14-10-10-8 with existing financial model in place, meaning steep cash drop for clubs 13/14. However, expectation is this would be remedied by future resolution

Future resolution would remedy anomalies and bring in Brora/Kelty to 14-10-10-10 and resolve financial distribution. Once 14 team top flight in place, no more reason for Hibs to keep blocking change. L2 change has time on its side as likely to be mothballed until 2021.

[G B Young]

The BBC report states that both Budge's and Sevco's proposals were knocked on the head yesterday. Has it been explained why the SPFL feel the need to try again with yet another version? Why are they seemingly so against just getting on with things the way they are?

[Stuart93]

Well Known muppet David McCaig of Kickback and Twitter is back on twitter advising everyone who will listen

@TEnglishSport @mrewanmurray As predicted common sense now winning the day in SPFL. Rather than referring to it as 14-10-10-10 can we just agree to call it the Zero Detriment Model which is effectively what is. This is about righting the clear wrong of the initial proposal.

My understanding is Premiership split 10-2 (Hibs+1). If these clubs see sense Zero Detriment Model introduced via membership vote with Brora and Kelty joining L2 and financial distribution model changed from 1-44 with recognition of enlarged top flight.

If Hibs+1 continue to hold out, SPFL Board will use executive powers to move to slightly incongruous 14-10-10-8 with existing financial model in place, meaning steep cash drop for clubs 13/14. However, expectation is this would be remedied by future resolution

Future resolution would remedy anomalies and bring in Brora/Kelty to 14-10-10-10 and resolve financial distribution. Once 14 team top flight in place, no more reason for Hibs to keep blocking change. L2 change has time on its side as likely to be mothballed until 2021.

It’s a bit mental he seems to think it’s only hibs who won’t fancy reconstruction.

[GreenCastle]

Yeah calmed down as well but the whole thing stinks.

No matter what happens the actual fun of Hearts getting relegated has completely disappeared. I won't be getting the beers out even if they do stay down. I would have laughed my head off if they had been relegated on the park but fed up with it now.

Scottish football is the pits at times

Disagree it’s still been very funny watching them squirm.

Hearts have been relegated - that is in history.

What doesn’t sit right is them managing like Aberdeen a few years ago staying up for different reasons.

Falkirk denied promotion due to stadium less than 10,000 and you think now some clubs hardly get 5,000!!

[Heisenberg]

Well Known muppet David McCaig of Kickback and Twitter is back on twitter advising everyone who will listen

@TEnglishSport @mrewanmurray As predicted common sense now winning the day in SPFL. Rather than referring to it as 14-10-10-10 can we just agree to call it the Zero Detriment Model which is effectively what is. This is about righting the clear wrong of the initial proposal.

My understanding is Premiership split 10-2 (Hibs+1). If these clubs see sense Zero Detriment Model introduced via membership vote with Brora and Kelty joining L2 and financial distribution model changed from 1-44 with recognition of enlarged top flight.

If Hibs+1 continue to hold out, SPFL Board will use executive powers to move to slightly incongruous 14-10-10-8 with existing financial model in place, meaning steep cash drop for clubs 13/14. However, expectation is this would be remedied by future resolution

Future resolution would remedy anomalies and bring in Brora/Kelty to 14-10-10-10 and resolve financial distribution. Once 14 team top flight in place, no more reason for Hibs to keep blocking change. L2 change has time on its side as likely to be mothballed until 2021.

He’s at it. His initial pish about the board forcing through 14-10-10-10/14-10-18 was incorrect so he’s changed to this nonesense.

[FilipinoHibs]

Has anybody seen any details on how this top 14 will operate? Split; relegation; play offs; 7 and 8 playing for Euro spot? To put a proposal which is radical and with no consultation smacks of something fishy😳

[GreenCastle]

The BBC report states that both Budge's and Sevco's proposals were knocked on the head yesterday. Has it been explained why the SPFL feel the need to try again with yet another version? Why are they seemingly so against just getting on with things the way they are?

Theory 1 - bribes

Theory 2 - to cover all bases if fans say why didn’t you try reconstruct (puts blame on clubs)

Theory 3 - sheer incompetence

[Hibs90]

What can the club do I’d expect them to accept this like every club if the clubs vote to change it.

Apart from Hearts of course, who have dragged this on and on, finally resorting to bribery.

[Brightside]

2. The BBC suggested last night the premier league clubs want a 14 team league. As we are part of the Premier league that would seem to suggest it could include us. That came on the back of a day of premier league clubs discussing It.

That’s potentially quite significant and caused a lot if the excitement on here last night.

Did the BBC actually suggest that? Ive only seen comments by reports saying there is more interest in the new proposal? I think reporters etc are just filling the void, and their opinion is overruling their actual reporting.

[Ronniekirk]

He’s just playing the game

So what’s the End Game Billy ?


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[The Spaceman]

Surely the votes are still heavily skewed against for it to pass? St Johnstone and Ross Country chairmen both saying no to temporary reconstruction. Hibs likely to as well, never mind the remainder of clubs like St Mirren who are also likely to vote no? I can see this being nearer 50/50.

[Sammy7nil]

Hibs will be broken by this and you just know we are going to have a ridiculously good season once reinstated

The feel good factor of a promotion without being relegated.

What was that song at Easter Road.... “ Going down are we ####, going to stay up and win




Not that I think we will be broken in anyway but you just know they will have a good season next year

[ac1]

Disagree it’s still been very funny watching them squirm.

Hearts have been relegated - that is in history.

What doesn’t sit right is them managing like Aberdeen a few years ago staying up for different reasons.

Falkirk denied promotion due to stadium less than 10,000 and you think now some clubs hardly get 5,000!!

I haven't enjoyed it at all - would much rather they had been relegated on the pitch. If they get out of this there is no way they will view it as a legit relegation.

It's not even worthy of a wind up - remember that season Hearts got relegated? No really if they are still playing in the top league the next season 😆

[green day]

Surely the votes are still heavily skewed against for it to pass? St Johnstone and Ross Country chairmen both saying no to temporary reconstruction. Hibs likely to as well, never mind the remainder of clubs like St Mirren who are also likely to vote no? I can see this being nearer 50/50.

Its permanent

[Brightside]

So what’s the End Game Billy ?


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Covering his ass. IF Hearts take the SPFL board to court (which i doubt) he can prove that he looked at all possible outcomes and the member clubs knocked them all back. Therefore he has done his job. None of this is his decision....he just washes the plates in the kitchen in this whole organisation. The clubs decide on the make up of the league.

[JeMeSouviens]

Why doesn’t a team come out and make a statement by saying - if the league set up is changed from 12 teams to 14/16/18 etc, we will take the SPFL to court as haven’t agreed to this. We have been forced into something we don’t want/agree with and never voted for, if anything we’ve been bullied into this.
Hearts Rugby club wanna make threats etc - so can other teams.

Because it won't happen unless the clubs agree.

Among all the Jambo fantasies, the idea that the SPFL would impose reconstruction on the clubs is probably the most delusional, and it's up against stiff competition!

[Ronniekirk]

It's not a vote - they're testing the water. If enough clubs are for then more details and a vote will follow.

How can you accurately test the water without clubs having the full details Of what they are indicatively approving
It’s like a Honeytrap it’s going to end up one sticky mess



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[Sammy7nil]

Surely the votes are still heavily skewed against for it to pass? St Johnstone and Ross Country chairmen both saying no to temporary reconstruction. Hibs likely to as well, never mind the remainder of clubs like St Mirren who are also likely to vote no? I can see this being nearer 50/50.

According to the Record support is in place, Premiership now the only stumbling block standing at 10 - 2 with Hibs one of the two no's.

[HairyMM]

I think people are jumping the gun in here.

It looks to me like the SPFL are drawing a line under it with this request - it'll be a "put up or shut up" scenario and if and when it's knocked back they don't welcome any more proposals for reconstruction.

IMHO, the fact that they want to make the change permanent is the deal breaker. A 14 team top flight, with a top 6/bottom 8 split is awful, and I can't see any of the clubs favouring that (the Glasgow two could back it as it would give them fewer games to play) but for everyone else it means that a bad start to the season effectively writes the season off unless that bad start is bad enough to put you in danger of relegation.

There's no chance that will be seen as a good deal, and for the lower league clubs, it looks like a bad deal for quite a few of them.

Again, only my opinion, but it'll be lucky to get as far as a vote, and if it does get that far, I'd put my money on it failing.

Hearts were relegated, and I can't see them getting back in without winning the Championship next season.



Excellent post. How the SPFL have managed to get themselves into this position is simply farcical. In my opinion the two realistic options were always; 1) declare season null and void 2) call leagues. The members chose option two. As such titles (albeit tainted) awarded and relegations sanctioned. How on earth the SPFL hierarchy can now try and impose reconstruction to 'right perceived wrongs' after the event is ridiculous. No solution could ever please everyone and the proposed reconstruction model is not the solution.

[Peevemor]

The BBC report states that both Budge's and Sevco's proposals were knocked on the head yesterday. Has it been explained why the SPFL feel the need to try again with yet another version? Why are they seemingly so against just getting on with things the way they are?

The only reason I can see is that when Doncaster asked clubs for their reaction to Budge's proposal, he also asked for suggestions as to what might work. I'd imagine this was to get all the ideas/proposals out at the same time instead of something new being submitted each time something else had failed.

If enough clubs (probably working together) suggested 14-10-10-10 permanent then the board are more or less obliged to take that forward. If a decent majority indicate by Monday that they're open to it then further details will be confirmed and it will go to a formal vote - complete with 11-1 top league votes required.

[Ronniekirk]

Lots of good shouts and fair calls on this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion - club and fans are aligned in a lot of it.

Club has acted well throughout this crisis, No reason not to trust Hibs to do the right thing by the club and it’s people at this time - “we aim to make sure that our supporters, who have backed us so generously, will be at the forefront of our plans”. No concerns here - Club has been aware of Supporter feelings on this subject and more since early April.

A vote (informal or formal) to put the conversation to an end would be welcome. One thing I’d call out, the media isn’t reporting the news, it’s making the news.

More reassured by that saves me e mailing you a long rant lol


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[Earlydelivery]

St Johnstone chairman just came out in Perth courier saying reconstruction not going to happen

[Since90+2]

St Johnstone chairman just came out in Perth courier saying reconstruction not going to happen

Go on the Saint J's.

[Lee Marvin]

St Johnstone chairman just came out in Perth courier saying reconstruction not going to happen

He was talking about 14-14-14. The interview was done before the SPFL final 14-10-10-01 bribery resolution was announced.

Nonetheless, a lot of what he said was slightly reassuring.

[JeMeSouviens]

(St Johnstone chariman) Steve Brown believes the reconstruction ship for next season has already sailed and won’t be coming back to shore before the Premiership begins.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/st-johnstone/1365365/st-johnstone-chairman-cant-see-reconstruction-next-season-but-he-wants-a-five-league-set-up-in-the-long-term/


“The biggest thing, and I’ve spoken to Ann Budge a number of times, is the voting,” said Brown. “It’s the 11-1 vote in the Premiership.

“Until that is changed, I don’t think we’ll have any change.

“In 2012 league reconstruction was put in what they call ‘protective matters’ which requires an 11-1 vote to come out.

“Until that ridiculous scenario is removed, there will never be any meaningful change.”

[J-C]

If the reconstruction goes ahead after this cash investment, then it looks like pure corruption at the SPFL. This was voted for and rejected already and we should just move on asap, players are back training next week and there's still uncertainty as to how the league will look when the new season kicks off.

[Stuart93]

According to the Record support is in place, Premiership now the only stumbling block standing at 10 - 2 with Hibs one of the two no's.

Really?

I’ve not seen that anywhere. You got a link to it?

[Heisenberg]

According to the Record support is in place, Premiership now the only stumbling block standing at 10 - 2 with Hibs one of the two no's.

Have the record actually said that about the 10-2 thing?

[Brightside]

Really?

I’ve not seen that anywhere. You got a link to it?

No one will find that.

[Stuart93]

No one will find that.

Canny say I’ve seen anything remotely close to suggesting that apart from that guys post from kickback that was posted on here

[Keith_M]

Does the new proposal include the The Rangers and Celtc Colts teams?



EDIT: Just checked and that's off the table.

[Sammy7nil]

Have the record actually said that about the 10-2 thing?

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2 hours ago, Montgomery Brewster said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-reconstruction-lifeline-neil-doncaster-22172720


article says 11/12 from premier as change to income distribution

“Doncaster has received feedback from 41 of the 42 clubs indicating that a 14-10-10 setup has "sufficient support" to pass“


Can he not keep his trap shut till EVERYONE has given their view. This clown made the same mistake at the original resolution vote.

Sorry I have not clicked the link as am at work :aok:

[Peevemor]

o
2 hours ago, Montgomery Brewster said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-reconstruction-lifeline-neil-doncaster-22172720


article says 11/12 from premier as change to income distribution

“Doncaster has received feedback from 41 of the 42 clubs indicating that a 14-10-10 setup has "sufficient support" to pass“


Can he not keep his trap shut till EVERYONE has given their view. This clown made the same mistake at the original resolution vote.

Sorry I have not clicked the link as am at work :aok:

That's what's reported, but when you read what he said -

"...there is sufficient support for a permanent 14-10-10-10 Divisional structure to merit this second stage of consultation".

Pretty different to the slant that the DR are putting on it.

[green day]

o
2 hours ago, Montgomery Brewster said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-reconstruction-lifeline-neil-doncaster-22172720


article says 11/12 from premier as change to income distribution

“Doncaster has received feedback from 41 of the 42 clubs indicating that a 14-10-10 setup has "sufficient support" to pass“


Can he not keep his trap shut till EVERYONE has given their view. This clown made the same mistake at the original resolution vote.

Sorry I have not clicked the link as am at work :aok:

The relevant part is -

Doncaster has received feedback from 41 of the 42 clubs indicating that a 14-10-10 setup has "sufficient support" to pass and that plan will be put to an indicative vote ahead of a potential EGM.


In a letter to clubs the chief executive indicated "there is no reasonable prospect of clubs approving a temporary reconstruction solution".


However, the SPFL chief executive said the consultation process had proved "there is sufficient support for a permanent 14-10-10-10 Divisional structure to merit this second stage of consultation".



Sufficient support to go to an EGM doesnt mean it passes at 11-1, and all this says is that he has had replies from 41 clubs after asking the question.

[Stuart93]

o
2 hours ago, Montgomery Brewster said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-reconstruction-lifeline-neil-doncaster-22172720


article says 11/12 from premier as change to income distribution

“Doncaster has received feedback from 41 of the 42 clubs indicating that a 14-10-10 setup has "sufficient support" to pass“


Can he not keep his trap shut till EVERYONE has given their view. This clown made the same mistake at the original resolution vote.

Sorry I have not clicked the link as am at work :aok:

Absolutely nout in that article saying hibs and another 1 club are the only teams voting no?

[JimBHibees]

That's what's reported, but when you read what he said -

"...there is sufficient support for a permanent 14-10-10-10 Divisional structure to merit this second stage of consultation".

Pretty different to the slant that the DR are putting on it.

Sports journalism in this country is horrific

[nonshinyfinish]

o
2 hours ago, Montgomery Brewster said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-reconstruction-lifeline-neil-doncaster-22172720


article says 11/12 from premier as change to income distribution

“Doncaster has received feedback from 41 of the 42 clubs indicating that a 14-10-10 setup has "sufficient support" to pass“


Can he not keep his trap shut till EVERYONE has given their view. This clown made the same mistake at the original resolution vote.

Sorry I have not clicked the link as am at work :aok:

In one place it says 'sufficient support to go to a ballot' and in another it says 'sufficient support to pass'. Two very different things. Neither is a complete quote from Doncaster.

It doesn't say anything about the Prem clubs currently being 10–2 in favour.

[Peevemor]

In one place it says 'sufficient support to go to a ballot' and in another it says 'sufficient support to pass'. Two very different things. Neither is a complete quote from Doncaster.

It doesn't say anything about the Prem clubs currently being 10–2 in favour.

The direct quote is

"...there is sufficient support for a permanent 14-10-10-10 Divisional structure to merit this second stage of consultation"

[Irish_Steve]

The ITK folk on Brokeback are confident its 10-2 and we will be the only ones voting against it.

How they know it`s 10-2 is beyond me, do they have a wire-tap on Budge?

[green day]

In one place it says 'sufficient support to go to a ballot' and in another it says 'sufficient support to pass'. Two very different things. Neither is a complete quote from Doncaster.

It doesn't say anything about the Prem clubs currently being 10–2 in favour.

This is exactly why Hibs need to keep quiet until this is all over. Those screaming last night for a Hibs statement fail to understand that - if Hibs said "**** Hearts, we vote No" the media would be pressurising us like nobodies business, and crucially turning the screws on some smaller Premiership clubs.

We all stay quiet, do what needs to be done and deal with the consequences.

I trust Hibs to do the right thing and as KP has said, they are well aware of fan feelings on this.

If 11 other Premiership clubs vote Yes, I will be stunned.............but we will just need to get on with it as that is the rules and regulations of the SPFL.

[nonshinyfinish]

The ITK folk on Brokeback are confident its 10-2 and we will be the only ones voting against it.
If both those things were true, it would mean we have two votes and they're humped. :cb

[Stuart93]

The ITK folk on Brokeback are confident its 10-2 and we will be the only ones voting against it.

How they know it`s 10-2 is beyond me, do they have a wire-tap on Budge?

I’m sure one of them had champagne sitting in ice when it was to be announced they’d be staying up before the weekend

They ken **** all. Not one of them. A guy sitting behind his keyboard in Gorgie knows exactly how all premiership teams across the country intend to vote on Monday? Pish.

[Since452]

I’m sure one of them had champagne sitting in ice when it was to be announced they’d be staying up before the weekend

They ken **** all. Not one of them. A guy sitting behind his keyboard in Gorgie knows exactly how all premiership teams across the country intend to vote on Monday? Pish.

It's quite sad pretending they do know just to get some attention on a football forum. They know as much as you or I.

[grunt]

Has this thread calmed down a bit? Some massive assumptions were made & conclusions were jumped to last night.I can't quite work out if this is patronising or condescending.

[hibbyfraelibby]

In situations like this those prone to panic or anxiety should breathe in deeply through the nose then exhale slowly through the mouth. Works wonders.

1. The SPFL Board as part of their consultation process over the last two weeks asked clubs if they would accept the tentative proposals put forward by two aggrieved parties and if not what would make them change their mind.

2. Having consulted all 42 clubs they received feedback from at least one with a 14/10/10/10 propsal and at leadt one feeding back they wanted permenant.

3. Having asked for feedback to act upon, to draw a line under the whole affair, the SPFL Board is now undertaking its duty of responsibility to all the clubs to place before them a defining proposition to see if they want to call an EGM to vote on it...or to conclude the discussion for this season.

4. Doncaster is a servant of the company. He is doing the bidding of the Board.

5. In light of the bullying approach by Budge, which needs to be faced down, the Board rightly is examining all options so that they can legally be excluded within the rules and articles of the company.

6. At no time has the SPFL acted unlawfully, nor has it accepted a bribe from Anderson. He is not that stupid, the SPFL is not that stupid and the 42 member clubs are not stupid either.

7. The common belief that the SPFL is corrupt is founded on a misinterpretation of its role, structures and objectives as defined in its articles. It may be organisationally inept, like the SFA but certainly not corrupt.

8. At the end of the day if this all ends up in a court the SPFL can show it has dilligently examined all feasible options but as an operational business had to take a difficult business decision to ensure the business could continue in a manner consistent with its articles of association.

9. Season 2020/2021 will commence on 1st August.

10. Court action may take months if not longer to come to a decision. No court will put 41 clubs out of business for the sake of one club by issuing an interdict preventing next season from commencing without the pursuer having to place a bond of caution covering the potential value of their losses should the pursuers case fail.

11. If all else fails the SFA can step in and organise an alternative competition for licensed clubs through their Professional Game Board.

This may not yet be over but we are in the end game and from my perspective it appears that the lawyer in Doncaster is playing this out diligently and skillfully and in the best interests of the members organisation he serves.

So lets throttle back the rockets, order additional popcorn for home delivery and watch the lockdown drama queens implode before the final credits run.

[easty]

Well Known muppet David McCaig of Kickback and Twitter is back on twitter advising everyone who will listen

@TEnglishSport @mrewanmurray As predicted common sense now winning the day in SPFL. Rather than referring to it as 14-10-10-10 can we just agree to call it the Zero Detriment Model which is effectively what is. This is about righting the clear wrong of the initial proposal.

My understanding is Premiership split 10-2 (Hibs+1). If these clubs see sense Zero Detriment Model introduced via membership vote with Brora and Kelty joining L2 and financial distribution model changed from 1-44 with recognition of enlarged top flight.

If Hibs+1 continue to hold out, SPFL Board will use executive powers to move to slightly incongruous 14-10-10-8 with existing financial model in place, meaning steep cash drop for clubs 13/14. However, expectation is this would be remedied by future resolution

Future resolution would remedy anomalies and bring in Brora/Kelty to 14-10-10-10 and resolve financial distribution. Once 14 team top flight in place, no more reason for Hibs to keep blocking change. L2 change has time on its side as likely to be mothballed until 2021.

If you had some kind of inside info, that was telling you 2 teams were voting against, then why would that info say “it’s Hibs and someone else...but I’m no telling you who!”. Makes no sense at all.

[Stuart93]

I can't quite work out if this is patronising or condescending.

Probably a bit of both but it’s also true

I’m sure a few people will know themselves they got a bit Leeds United last night

[green day]

In situations like this those prone to panic or anxiety should breathe in deeply through the nose then exhale slowly through the mouth. Works wonders.

1. The SPFL Board as part of their consultation process over the last two weeks asked clubs if they would accept the tentative proposals put forward by two aggrieved parties and if not what would make them change their mind.

2. Having consulted all 42 clubs they received feedback from at least one with a 14/10/10/10 propsal and at leadt one feeding back they wanted permenant.

3. Having asked for feedback to act upon, to draw a line under the whole affair, the SPFL Board is now undertaking its duty of responsibility to all the clubs to place before them a defining proposition to see if they want to call an EGM to vote on it...or to conclude the discussion for this season.

4. Doncaster is a servant of the company. He is doing the bidding of the Board.

5. In light of the bullying approach by Budge, which needs to be faced down, the Board rightly is examining all options so that they can legally be excluded within the rules and articles of the company.

6. At no time has the SPFL acted unlawfully, nor has it accepted a bribe from Anderson. He is not that stupid, the SPFL is not that stupid and the 42 member clubs are not stupid either.

7. The common belief that the SPFL is corrupt is founded on a misinterpretation of its role, structures and objectives as defined in its articles. It may be organisationally inept, like the SFA but certainly not corrupt.

8. At the end of the day if this all ends up in a court the SPFL can show it has dilligently examined all feasible options but as an operational business had to take a difficult business decision to ensure the business could continue in a manner consistent with its articles of association.

9. Season 2020/2021 will commence on 1st August.

10. Court action may take months if not longer to come to a decision. No court will put 41 clubs out of business for the sake of one club by issuing an interdict preventing next season from commencing without the pursuer having to place a bond of caution covering the potential value of their losses should the pursuers case fail.

11. If all else fails the SFA can step in and organise an alternative competition for licensed clubs through their Professional Game Board.

This may not yet be over but we are in the end game and from my perspective it appears that the lawyer in Doncaster is playing this out diligently and skillfully and in the best interests of the members organisation he serves.

So lets throttle back the rockets, order additional popcorn for home delivery and watch the lockdown drama queens implode before the final credits run.

Nice one

[dchibs]

How do I get this vision its like the guys you used to watch on the Tv where they spin plates on wobbly sticks, and have the vision of Doncaster and Budge running about daft to try and stop them from falling over.

[Col2]

It feels like the club have been dragged into a game of Russian roulette when we have consistently stayed out of it, haven’t released statements, no hyperbole and have focused on the task in hand which is to ensure the club are safe and ready to play football in the future.

Yet here we are now forced to pick up the revolver and if it goes wrong we are the real victims in all of this. Already £125k down, more to come and a supporter base some of whom will chuck it in given how sickening this has all been.

I really appreciate KP comments. It’s good to here. I do fear we are still going to come out of this as the biggest losers despite doing all the right things for our club and it’s supporters.

[grunt]

Probably a bit of both but it’s also true

I’m sure a few people will know themselves they got a bit Leeds United last nightFair play! :thumbsup:

[Keith_M]

Only vaguely on topic but....

Jack Ross proposed a sixteen team top league in 2011.

Article (https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jackross/2011/01/beattie.html)

[hibeerealist]

Have the record actually said that about the 10-2 thing?

Aye and who told the DT that.........Hertz!!!

All emanating from Gorgay, they are sooooo desperate and this really is the last throw of the dice!!

[MikeyS]

Well Known muppet David McCaig of Kickback and Twitter is back on twitter advising everyone who will listen

@TEnglishSport @mrewanmurray As predicted common sense now winning the day in SPFL. Rather than referring to it as 14-10-10-10 can we just agree to call it the Zero Detriment Model which is effectively what is. This is about righting the clear wrong of the initial proposal.

My understanding is Premiership split 10-2 (Hibs+1). If these clubs see sense Zero Detriment Model introduced via membership vote with Brora and Kelty joining L2 and financial distribution model changed from 1-44 with recognition of enlarged top flight.

If Hibs+1 continue to hold out, SPFL Board will use executive powers to move to slightly incongruous 14-10-10-8 with existing financial model in place, meaning steep cash drop for clubs 13/14. However, expectation is this would be remedied by future resolution

Future resolution would remedy anomalies and bring in Brora/Kelty to 14-10-10-10 and resolve financial distribution. Once 14 team top flight in place, no more reason for Hibs to keep blocking change. L2 change has time on its side as likely to be mothballed until 2021.

Unfortunately stumbled over his tweets last night. Haven't seen someone more full of self importance in a long time. All this 'Zero Detriment model' pish he has come up and desperately trying to get journalists to retweet or even acknowledge him is embarrassing.

As for that Saughton Jambo on there, every club has one of these guys & we will all know the type. Boy that has his own company and sponsors some players kit each season, takes part in the club golf day & goes to hospitality dressed in a club tie & short sleeve shirt, probably also puts boot polish over the white stripes of his Sambas. Likes to shake hands with the players and staff & thinks he is in the loop on big decisions. Total *****ing pub bore.

[Daydreamer]

What gets me about the 14 team top division is the split after the 26 games. How can anyone with an ounce of common sense vote for a top 6 split and a bottom 8 split. You get 18 home games for your season ticket in the top 6 but 20 if you finish in the bottom 8. Is someone being serious here. Utter madness. I hope Hibs and St Mirren vote against this.

[ac1]

Probably a bit of both but it’s also true

I’m sure a few people will know themselves they got a bit Leeds United last night

In my defence the constant refreshing of Hibs.net all day and a couple of cans of Tennant's frazzled my brain a little bit by the end of the night when we finally got an update through the media and not the SPFL! 😆

[Carheenlea]

Lots of good shouts and fair calls on this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion - club and fans are aligned in a lot of it.

Club has acted well throughout this crisis, No reason not to trust Hibs to do the right thing by the club and it’s people at this time - “we aim to make sure that our supporters, who have backed us so generously, will be at the forefront of our plans”. No concerns here - Club has been aware of Supporter feelings on this subject and more since early April.

A vote (informal or formal) to put the conversation to an end would be welcome. One thing I’d call out, the media isn’t reporting the news, it’s making the news.

Encouraging to hear this relayed to the support :agree:

We can’t control what other clubs thinking is on this, but surely Hibs wouldn’t be a lone voice. I suspect there will be more of them aligned with our views than the media is suggesting at this time.

[hibeerealist]

In situations like this those prone to panic or anxiety should breathe in deeply through the nose then exhale slowly through the mouth. Works wonders.

1. The SPFL Board as part of their consultation process over the last two weeks asked clubs if they would accept the tentative proposals put forward by two aggrieved parties and if not what would make them change their mind.

2. Having consulted all 42 clubs they received feedback from at least one with a 14/10/10/10 propsal and at leadt one feeding back they wanted permenant.

3. Having asked for feedback to act upon, to draw a line under the whole affair, the SPFL Board is now undertaking its duty of responsibility to all the clubs to place before them a defining proposition to see if they want to call an EGM to vote on it...or to conclude the discussion for this season.

4. Doncaster is a servant of the company. He is doing the bidding of the Board.

5. In light of the bullying approach by Budge, which needs to be faced down, the Board rightly is examining all options so that they can legally be excluded within the rules and articles of the company.

6. At no time has the SPFL acted unlawfully, nor has it accepted a bribe from Anderson. He is not that stupid, the SPFL is not that stupid and the 42 member clubs are not stupid either.

7. The common belief that the SPFL is corrupt is founded on a misinterpretation of its role, structures and objectives as defined in its articles. It may be organisationally inept, like the SFA but certainly not corrupt.

8. At the end of the day if this all ends up in a court the SPFL can show it has dilligently examined all feasible options but as an operational business had to take a difficult business decision to ensure the business could continue in a manner consistent with its articles of association.

9. Season 2020/2021 will commence on 1st August.

10. Court action may take months if not longer to come to a decision. No court will put 41 clubs out of business for the sake of one club by issuing an interdict preventing next season from commencing without the pursuer having to place a bond of caution covering the potential value of their losses should the pursuers case fail.

11. If all else fails the SFA can step in and organise an alternative competition for licensed clubs through their Professional Game Board.

This may not yet be over but we are in the end game and from my perspective it appears that the lawyer in Doncaster is playing this out diligently and skillfully and in the best interests of the members organisation he serves.

So lets throttle back the rockets, order additional popcorn for home delivery and watch the lockdown drama queens implode before the final credits run.

Very sensible post HFL and really addresses just where we are without all the drama queen (Gorgay dreams) intervention. Where's the popcorn :cb

[we are hibs]

I dont see the relevance if its only 2 premiership teams that vote against it. It needs 11 to pass. They would only have 10 which means its failed. The numbers are irrelevant.

[Keith_M]

I've had a think about this and I've decided that, if Hearts play in the Premiership next season and are saved from relegation, I'll be absolutely beelin'.

I've spent weeks posting cheeky messages on Twitter, Instragram and other forms of social media taking the P' out of Hearts fans (a couple of whom I actually even know), so how is it goin' to look now if they don't actually go down? I'm gonna have to remove myself from all forms of social media for the foreseeable and actually get a bl**dy life!

Does Leeann Dempster even care how this affects me and my (pretendy) social life? Has she thought about the fact that I don't actually know how to interact with real people, in the real world?

If this goes through, I'm done with football. I'll be returning my Season Ticket and I'll be writing a strongly worded E-Mail to LD to tell her how disgusted I am.



Has anybody got her E-Mail address?

[Sammy7nil]

I've had a think about this and I've decided that, if Hearts play in the Premiership next season and are saved from relegation, I'll be absolutely beelin'.

I've spent weeks posting cheeky messages on Twitter, Instragram and other forms of social media taking the P' out of Hearts fans (a couple of whom I actually even know), so how is it goin' to look now if they don't actually go down? I'm gonna have to remove myself from all forms of social media for the foreseeable and actually get a bl**dy life!

Does Leeann Dempster even care how this affects me and my (pretendy) social life? Has she thought about the fact that I don't actually know how to interact with real people, in the real world?

If this goes through, I'm done with football. I'll be returning my Season Ticket and I'll be writing a strongly worded E-Mail to LD to tell her how disgusted I am.



Has anybody got her E-Mail address?

Well thought out and reasoned post.

[Brightside]

Well thought out and reasoned post.

This may be a Whooooosh.

[nonshinyfinish]

Well thought out and reasoned post.


This may be a Whooooosh.

One of these posts is definitely a woosh, but I'm genuinely not sure which.

[blackpoolhibs]

14-10-10-10 is happening. Absolute stick on

Aw naw, well thats that then.

[Since452]

I've had a think about this and I've decided that, if Hearts play in the Premiership next season and are saved from relegation, I'll be absolutely beelin'.

I've spent weeks posting cheeky messages on Twitter, Instragram and other forms of social media taking the P' out of Hearts fans (a couple of whom I actually even know), so how is it goin' to look now if they don't actually go down? I'm gonna have to remove myself from all forms of social media for the foreseeable and actually get a bl**dy life!

Does Leeann Dempster even care how this affects me and my (pretendy) social life? Has she thought about the fact that I don't actually know how to interact with real people, in the real world?

If this goes through, I'm done with football. I'll be returning my Season Ticket and I'll be writing a strongly worded E-Mail to LD to tell her how disgusted I am.



Has anybody got her E-Mail address?

Football is one big pantomime. We've been ripping them relentlessly for 4 years after years of taking it . If they want to have a go back about escaping relegation through default then bring it on

[JimBHibees]

I've had a think about this and I've decided that, if Hearts play in the Premiership next season and are saved from relegation, I'll be absolutely beelin'.

I've spent weeks posting cheeky messages on Twitter, Instragram and other forms of social media taking the P' out of Hearts fans (a couple of whom I actually even know), so how is it goin' to look now if they don't actually go down? I'm gonna have to remove myself from all forms of social media for the foreseeable and actually get a bl**dy life!

Does Leeann Dempster even care how this affects me and my (pretendy) social life? Has she thought about the fact that I don't actually know how to interact with real people, in the real world?

If this goes through, I'm done with football. I'll be returning my Season Ticket and I'll be writing a strongly worded E-Mail to LD to tell her how disgusted I am.



Has anybody got her E-Mail address?

:greengrin

[CB_NO3]

If this goes through (still doubtful) will we be the only club in Scotland to be financially worse off?

[Keith_M]

Well thought out and reasoned post.



Thank you. I've been thinking of just the right wording of that for quite a while


:aok:

[blackpoolhibs]

I read earlier it will have to be 75% now ive no idea how as that can only be the case if the financial structures stays the same - which it can’t.

You would also have read that it needs an 11-1 vote to go through, why panic and believe the 9-3 when its clear this needs an 11-1 vote to get passed?

Stop panicking people, they are down and not going anywhere else.

[blackpoolhibs]

I dont see the relevance if its only 2 premiership teams that vote against it. It needs 11 to pass. They would only have 10 which means its failed. The numbers are irrelevant.

Yip, it is simple maths, where are the 11 teams coming from that will vote for this?

[007]

Well Known muppet David McCaig of Kickback and Twitter is back on twitter advising everyone who will listen

@TEnglishSport @mrewanmurray As predicted common sense now winning the day in SPFL. Rather than referring to it as 14-10-10-10 can we just agree to call it the Zero Detriment Model which is effectively what is. This is about righting the clear wrong of the initial proposal.

My understanding is Premiership split 10-2 (Hibs+1). If these clubs see sense Zero Detriment Model introduced via membership vote with Brora and Kelty joining L2 and financial distribution model changed from 1-44 with recognition of enlarged top flight.

If Hibs+1 continue to hold out, SPFL Board will use executive powers to move to slightly incongruous 14-10-10-8 with existing financial model in place, meaning steep cash drop for clubs 13/14. However, expectation is this would be remedied by future resolution

Future resolution would remedy anomalies and bring in Brora/Kelty to 14-10-10-10 and resolve financial distribution. Once 14 team top flight in place, no more reason for Hibs to keep blocking change. L2 change has time on its side as likely to be mothballed until 2021.

So he's still on about the executive powers that he thinks (but no journalists know about) the board have because he's misinterpreted the rules. The rest he's just guessing based on what he's read elsewhere but he's trying to make out he's ITK by using phrases like "My understanding is..."

However, if he's right then Doncaster, who is obviously aware that this whole process has taken far too long, seemingly has chosen to not yet use the so called executive powers. Or maybe he doesn't know he has these powers.

Plus, it is far from being zero detriment. It is a terrible format so will be detrimental to everyone. Even some Hearts fans are questioning the split after only 26 games, though I understand why they'd prefer that to being in the Championship. Permanent is a disaster.

[Hibs4185]

We could’ve caught Aberdeen and Motherwell for euro spots.

Maybe we should start a legal challenge for our lost £150k and the loss of earnings from a possible European Place

[Hibs Class]

I dont see the relevance if its only 2 premiership teams that vote against it. It needs 11 to pass. They would only have 10 which means its failed. The numbers are irrelevant.

BBC article last night suggested it would need 17 of 22 clubs across premiership and championship to support - first time I've seen that split and don't know where it's come from.

[Since452]

I can't think of a time in Scottish football where relegation from the top league would be more damaging for various reasons. For that reason alone I hope Hearts stay down. In a city that has two clubs of a similar size it will only benefit Hibernian and that's all I care about. Make it happen.

[hibeerealist]

I've had a think about this and I've decided that, if Hearts play in the Premiership next season and are saved from relegation, I'll be absolutely beelin'.

I've spent weeks posting cheeky messages on Twitter, Instragram and other forms of social media taking the P' out of Hearts fans (a couple of whom I actually even know), so how is it goin' to look now if they don't actually go down? I'm gonna have to remove myself from all forms of social media for the foreseeable and actually get a bl**dy life!

Does Leeann Dempster even care how this affects me and my (pretendy) social life? Has she thought about the fact that I don't actually know how to interact with real people, in the real world?

If this goes through, I'm done with football. I'll be returning my Season Ticket and I'll be writing a strongly worded E-Mail to LD to tell her how disgusted I am.



Has anybody got her E-Mail address?

Try Keekback, they seem to know everything else :greengrin

[hibeerealist]

BBC article last night suggested it would need 17 of 22 clubs across premiership and championship to support - first time I've seen that split and don't know where it's come from.

This coming from the Keekback kids, 14-10-10-8 means no new clubs so 75% prem vote required (9) plus 75% Championship (8) giving 17. Once secured they then bring in a Resolution to add 2 (Brora and KH) and job done!!

Clearly, they know how to get around rules as they have years of experience breaking them..............it is just another gorgay dream and best ignored.

Come Monday their dream will die and they can all attack poor Annie when she says legal action not an option now sorry it is to protect Scottish fitba.

[Col2]

What gets me about the 14 team top division is the split after the 26 games. How can anyone with an ounce of common sense vote for a top 6 split and a bottom 8 split. You get 18 home games for your season ticket in the top 6 but 20 if you finish in the bottom 8. Is someone being serious here. Utter madness. I hope Hibs and St Mirren vote against this.

This is the bit that seems to get missed by the media. So obsessed in saving Hearts they forget the fact that the proposed model is terrible and will lead to meaningless games. Thousands have signed up to season tickets based on current league structure. Legally I think they would have a right to demand a refund if they wanted.

[EdinMike]

We could’ve caught Aberdeen and Motherwell for euro spots.

Maybe we should start a legal challenge for our lost £150k and the loss of earnings from a possible European Place

The “Ifs and buts” argument seems to work for them so why not.

[hibeerealist]

BBC article last night suggested it would need 17 of 22 clubs across premiership and championship to support - first time I've seen that split and don't know where it's come from.

BBC article is from Brian (jambo) McLauchlin who is fed news by AB and others connected with the gorgay jokers.

How they arrive at 17 is in my other post

[Lago]

I really don't know why people are supprised or upset at the possible outcome, it's Scottish football we're talking about. I was introduced to Hibs by my late father in law and he followed the club from around 1948 when he settled in Dalkeith, having married a Scots girl during his army service. He was I should mention a proud Geordie.
He told me that he was privileged to watch one of the best footballers to play the game, Gordon Smith. He also saw Hibs win 3 league titles, but as he said they couldn't win the Scottish Cup to save themselves.
However he had 1 major complaint about football in Scotland, it was he said only run for the benifit of 2 clubs, Rangers & Celtic all the other clubs were there to make up the numbers. So 14 or 12 or 18 top division? I can hear him now saying "it won't make blind bit of difference" and he's absolutely right.

[CapitalGreen]

This coming from the Keekback kids, 14-10-10-8 means no new clubs so 75% prem vote required (9) plus 75% Championship (8) giving 17. Once secured they then bring in a Resolution to add 2 (Brora and KH) and job done!!

Clearly, they know how to get around rules as they have years of experience breaking them..............it is just another gorgay dream and best ignored.

Come Monday their dream will die and they can all attack poor Annie when she says legal action not an option now sorry it is to protect Scottish fitba.

I’m sorry but that’s nonsense. In a 12 team league all teams competing know they are guaranteed prize money of at least equal that awarded for a 12th place finish. Adding 2 more teams decreases the guaranteed prize money significantly to that awarded for finishing 2nd in the Championship. Based on the 2019/20 season, the prize money for finishing 2nd in the Championship was 57% lower than finishing 12th in the Premiership.

This proposal will essentially ask perennial bottom half clubs to budget that a significant portion of their income may be cut in half next season.

[007]

BBC article is from Brian (jambo) McLauchlin who is fed news by AB and others connected with the gorgay jokers.

How they arrive at 17 is in my other post

He's either at it or incompetent.

[tamig]

BBC article is from Brian (jambo) McLauchlin who is fed news by AB and others connected with the gorgay jokers.

How they arrive at 17 is in my other post

As a matter of interest why do you keep referring to them as “gorgay”? A bit dated now and we are better than that no?

[brog]

2. The BBC suggested last night the premier league clubs want a 14 team league. As we are part of the Premier league that would seem to suggest it could include us. That came on the back of a day of premier league clubs discussing It.

That’s potentially quite significant and caused a lot if the excitement on here last night.

I didn't & can't see anything on the BBC making the suggestion you state above. I asked is there any significant difference between "new" proposal & Budge's. You answered about a supposed reaction to that proposal. I'm genuinely asking, what's the difference between this proposal & Budges. for top tier teams?

[matty_f]

The Hearts fans will be delighted if they are saved, well, they'll be delighted in the short term until they realise that the consequence of reconstruction is that we'll forever be faced with a stinking set up with a ridiculous split for years to come. They'd be better going down, taking their medicine for a season, then coming back into a decent league.

[Heisenberg]

This coming from the Keekback kids, 14-10-10-8 means no new clubs so 75% prem vote required (9) plus 75% Championship (8) giving 17. Once secured they then bring in a Resolution to add 2 (Brora and KH) and job done!!

Clearly, they know how to get around rules as they have years of experience breaking them..............it is just another gorgay dream and best ignored.

Come Monday their dream will die and they can all attack poor Annie when she says legal action not an option now sorry it is to protect Scottish fitba.

Absolute dreamers the lot of them 😂 14-10-10-8 isn’t the proposal on the table and it never will be.

[brog]

In situations like this those prone to panic or anxiety should breathe in deeply through the nose then exhale slowly through the mouth. Works wonders.

1. The SPFL Board as part of their consultation process over the last two weeks asked clubs if they would accept the tentative proposals put forward by two aggrieved parties and if not what would make them change their mind.

2. Having consulted all 42 clubs they received feedback from at least one with a 14/10/10/10 propsal and at leadt one feeding back they wanted permenant.

3. Having asked for feedback to act upon, to draw a line under the whole affair, the SPFL Board is now undertaking its duty of responsibility to all the clubs to place before them a defining proposition to see if they want to call an EGM to vote on it...or to conclude the discussion for this season.

4. Doncaster is a servant of the company. He is doing the bidding of the Board.

5. In light of the bullying approach by Budge, which needs to be faced down, the Board rightly is examining all options so that they can legally be excluded within the rules and articles of the company.

6. At no time has the SPFL acted unlawfully, nor has it accepted a bribe from Anderson. He is not that stupid, the SPFL is not that stupid and the 42 member clubs are not stupid either.

7. The common belief that the SPFL is corrupt is founded on a misinterpretation of its role, structures and objectives as defined in its articles. It may be organisationally inept, like the SFA but certainly not corrupt.

8. At the end of the day if this all ends up in a court the SPFL can show it has dilligently examined all feasible options but as an operational business had to take a difficult business decision to ensure the business could continue in a manner consistent with its articles of association.

9. Season 2020/2021 will commence on 1st August.

10. Court action may take months if not longer to come to a decision. No court will put 41 clubs out of business for the sake of one club by issuing an interdict preventing next season from commencing without the pursuer having to place a bond of caution covering the potential value of their losses should the pursuers case fail.

11. If all else fails the SFA can step in and organise an alternative competition for licensed clubs through their Professional Game Board.

This may not yet be over but we are in the end game and from my perspective it appears that the lawyer in Doncaster is playing this out diligently and skillfully and in the best interests of the members organisation he serves.

So lets throttle back the rockets, order additional popcorn for home delivery and watch the lockdown drama queens implode before the final credits run.

Far too sensible!! :thumbsup:

[green day]

This coming from the Keekback kids, 14-10-10-8 means no new clubs so 75% prem vote required (9) plus 75% Championship (8) giving 17. Once secured they then bring in a Resolution to add 2 (Brora and KH) and job done!!

Clearly, they know how to get around rules as they have years of experience breaking them..............it is just another gorgay dream and best ignored.

Come Monday their dream will die and they can all attack poor Annie when she says legal action not an option now sorry it is to protect Scottish fitba.

I dont think its anything to do with this.

I think that these numbers (17 out of Prem and Champ) are the indicative hurdle that the SPFL has set to take it to an EGM and a real vote.

Which needs 11 and 8 as well as 15 of the L1 and L2.



eta - agree with Tam, drop the Gorgay stuff - no need.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

The Hearts fans will be delighted if they are saved, well, they'll be delighted in the short term until they realise that the consequence of reconstruction is that we'll forever be faced with a stinking set up with a ridiculous split for years to come. They'd be better going down, taking their medicine for a season, then coming back into a decent league.

Yes but that wouldn't look as good on Budge being a total failure who oversaw her club being relegated.

Better to polish a massive turd and fool everyone it was a major achievement of her making that 'saved Scottish football'.

[JohnMcM]

If this goes through (still doubtful) will we be the only club in Scotland to be financially worse off?

Not really, the overall share of the pot of money at season end will be reduced for each club with 2 more clubs at the same able. Yes, we lost money by dropping a place, but longer term the loss is likely to be more.

Arguably, we could say 4 clubs look like gaining financially if this goes through. Hearts, ICT, Kelty and Brora.

What a strange place our football could be in IF this goes through. We can only wait and see.

[Ozyhibby]

If this goes through (still doubtful) will we be the only club in Scotland to be financially worse off?

No, all the premiership clubs will be voting for less money from now on so we will all be worse off. Hearts will be happy though.


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[flash]

I think reconstruction will happen with us being the only top division club to vote against. Hertz will come back up and we will be saddled with a horrendous 14 team league. I trust Hibs to do the right thing, the rest not so much.

[calumhibee1]

Yes but that wouldn't look as good on Budge being a total failure who oversaw her club being relegated.

Better to polish a massive turd and fool everyone it was a major achievement of her making that 'saved Scottish football'.

Yup. Vast majority of clubs if not all are going to come out the other side absolutely fine. Financially worse off, yes, but they’ll all still be here. The doomsday scenario is not about to unfold.

Budge would play this out as being purely down to her and her reconstruction plans. Hearts fans would as well of course.

If it doesn’t go through then we’ll of course get to see how much the chat around the vast majority of clubs going bust has been utter nonsense.

[Brightside]

BBC article last night suggested it would need 17 of 22 clubs across premiership and championship to support - first time I've seen that split and don't know where it's come from.

it still needs 11 from SPL

[Chorley Hibee]

Encouraging to hear this relayed to the support :agree:

We can’t control what other clubs thinking is on this, but surely Hibs wouldn’t be a lone voice. I suspect there will be more of them aligned with our views than the media is suggesting at this time.

I guess it depends on what they view as "doing the right thing by the club and its people".

There is the possibility that it may not correlate with the views many have voiced upon here and elsewhere.

[FilipinoHibs]

Unfortunately stumbled over his tweets last night. Haven't seen someone more full of self importance in a long time. All this 'Zero Detriment model' pish he has come up and desperately trying to get journalists to retweet or even acknowledge him is embarrassing.

As for that Saughton Jambo on there, every club has one of these guys & we will all know the type. Boy that has his own company and sponsors some players kit each season, takes part in the club golf day & goes to hospitality dressed in a club tie & short sleeve shirt, probably also puts boot polish over the white stripes of his Sambas. Likes to shake hands with the players and staff & thinks he is in the loop on big decisions. Total *****ing pub bore.

He's a Hibs undercover agent and has done a great job.

[green day]

I think reconstruction will happen with us being the only top division club to vote against. Hertz will come back up and we will be saddled with a horrendous 14 team league. I trust Hibs to do the right thing, the rest not so much.

Explain that one to me?

All nonsense aside, what is in it for other teams?

[Skol]

This whole episode really has been a mess and doesnt reflect well on a number of parties. Primarily the SPFL. Why did they rush through the original vote (which they then made a horlicks of) only to then decide maybe that wasnt the right course of action. They are now proposing reconstruction which will be pretty bad all round and with the hint of being persuaded by the offer of money from a Hearts benefactor.

However, it is also fair to say that although it looked very likely that Hearts would go down, it was still possible they may have survived. If we end up with an SPFL with Hearts in it and a poor format then so be it is my view. At least football is back and also we do at least have derbies to look forward to which at the end of the day for me is the main thing.

I also do think that actually if we had won one or even both of the home derbies as we should have done and Hearts were 7 or even 10 points adrift, would that have changed things as it would have appeared even less likely that they could make those points up.

[Peevemor]

Absolute dreamers the lot of them 😂 14-10-10-8 isn’t the proposal on the table and it never will be.

What's laughable too is that there are some, including Cockface McCaig, who think that Hibs voting to call the league and probably against reconstruction is specifically to send Hearts down. They haven't considered that it's simply the right way to vote (from hibs point of view) and that Hearts being bottom of the league was incidental.

[hibeerealist]

I’m sorry but that’s nonsense. In a 12 team league all teams competing know they are guaranteed prize money of at least equal that awarded for a 12th place finish. Adding 2 more teams decreases the guaranteed prize money significantly to that awarded for finishing 2nd in the Championship. Based on the 2019/20 season, the prize money for finishing 2nd in the Championship was 57% lower than finishing 12th in the Premiership.

This proposal will essentially ask perennial bottom half clubs to budget that a significant portion of their income may be cut in half next season.

I agree, I merely answered a question from one of our own asking how they managed to come up with 17, Keekback has ALL the answers it is the go to site!!

They are all going to feel very let down on Monday as they are now 100% certain the SPFL has wangled a reconstruction job for them (as they are so important and loads a money and fandans), Monday will show them they are NOT important to anyone but themselves.

[Peevemor]

This whole episode really has been a mess and doesnt reflect well on a number of parties. Primarily the SPFL. Why did they rush through the original vote (which they then made a horlicks of)

The original vote was rushed through so that sponsorship/prize money could be released to the clubs - many of whom have had all means of income cut off almost 3 months ago.


only to then decide maybe that wasnt the right course of action.

No they didn't.


They are now proposing reconstruction which will be pretty bad all round and with the hint of being persuaded by the offer of money from a Hearts benefactor.

However, it is also fair to say that although it looked very likely that Hearts would go down, it was still possible they may have survived. If we end up with an SPFL with Hearts in it and a poor format then so be it is my view. At least football is back and also we do at least have derbies to look forward to which at the end of the day for me is the main thing.

The SPFL aren't proposing anything. Some clubs are pushing for reconstruction.


I also do think that actually if we had won one or even both of the home derbies as we should have done and Hearts were 7 or even 10 points adrift, would that have changed things as it would have appeared even less likely that they could make those points up.

Unless it was mathematically impossible for them to have stayed up, it would have made no difference. Look at the Huns who think they might have won the title.

[mjhibby]

You would also have read that it needs an 11-1 vote to go through, why panic and believe the 9-3 when its clear this needs an 11-1 vote to get passed?

Stop panicking people, they are down and not going anywhere else.

What I don’t get is that st Johnstone have said they will not vote for reconstruction. Period. Aberdeen have said through cormack they do not wa permanent reconstruction. Ross county have said through McGregor that they don’t want it. Stewart gilmour, Jim Goodwin and others at st mirren have said its to save hertz. Why are we still going on with this saga. At least four if not more chairman will have a lot of explaining to do if they all vote reconstruction they were so oppposed to. This is their last chance and I’m sure Doncaster is fulfilling the following of all options channels and if the vote is still no then it’s up to budge if they want to go to court.
This is drip drip making fans think twice about buying season tickets as they could be faced with five meaningless games after the split.if this goes through then the crowds will drop possibly by big numbers which could make a dire situation worse. I hope clubs think of the consequences of voting for this.

[greenpaper55]

Anyone seen the proposals for relegation/promotion for this latest idea ? Maybe i missed it but if the clubs have been asked to think about this proposal without having this available to them then it shows you the level of intelligence at the top of Scottish football ! ie none.

[Andy74]

The original vote was rushed through so that sponsorship/prize money could be released to the clubs - many of whom have had all means of income cut off almost 3 months ago.



No they didn't.



The SPFL aren't proposing anything. Some clubs are pushing for reconstruction.



Unless it was mathematically impossible for them to have stayed up, it would have made no difference. Look at the Huns who think they might have won the title.

The SPFL are now proposing something though.

The suggestions from Rangers and Hearts didn't get enough support but the SPFL are continuing to try and broker an arrangement that works for everyone.

I think that is the difference in the last couple of weeks.

Previously they just had to facilitate requests from members. Now that those haven't worked they could and should have been calling a halt to the nonsense and focusing on next season getting underway.

[04Sauzee]

It would seem every journo is reporting that the 14 team league will be our saviour and its suddenly become the best fit for Scottish football, even Jim Spence says it looks like the best option

[nonshinyfinish]

As a matter of interest why do you keep referring to them as “gorgay”? A bit dated now and we are better than that no?

:agree:

[stoneyburn hibs]

I've had a think about this and I've decided that, if Hearts play in the Premiership next season and are saved from relegation, I'll be absolutely beelin'.

I've spent weeks posting cheeky messages on Twitter, Instragram and other forms of social media taking the P' out of Hearts fans (a couple of whom I actually even know), so how is it goin' to look now if they don't actually go down? I'm gonna have to remove myself from all forms of social media for the foreseeable and actually get a bl**dy life!

Does Leeann Dempster even care how this affects me and my (pretendy) social life? Has she thought about the fact that I don't actually know how to interact with real people, in the real world?

If this goes through, I'm done with football. I'll be returning my Season Ticket and I'll be writing a strongly worded E-Mail to LD to tell her how disgusted I am.



Has anybody got her E-Mail address?

Hi Sydney!

[Joe6-2]

I have seen the new 14/10/10/10 proposal

Also people saying about a split in February so along with the proposal has it also been confirmed how the 14 team League will work.

All the 14 team leagues that I have seen on threads look terrible and Personally think within two years they would try reverting back to 12

Yeah, but herts saved, job done

[Aldo]

Wonder if Doncaster has learnt his lesson from votegate and doesn’t want to say anything until he’s content it’s all done and dusted.

Getting all his ducks in a row so when they come to him and mention a legal route once it all falls flat he can say..... well everything was looked at, it was voted on and this was the outcome.

We cannot forget that they actually are a Championship Team, and will vote as one.

I think there will be more than 2 teams voting no in the PL but 2 will be enough to scupper any reconstruction.


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[Stuart93]

What I don’t get is that st Johnstone have said they will not vote for reconstruction. Period. Aberdeen have said through cormack they do not wa permanent reconstruction. Ross county have said through McGregor that they don’t want it. Stewart gilmour, Jim Goodwin and others at st mirren have said its to save hertz. Why are we still going on with this saga. At least four if not more chairman will have a lot of explaining to do if they all vote reconstruction they were so oppposed to. This is their last chance and I’m sure Doncaster is fulfilling the following of all options channels and if the vote is still no then it’s up to budge if they want to go to court.
This is drip drip making fans think twice about buying season tickets as they could be faced with five meaningless games after the split.if this goes through then the crowds will drop possibly by big numbers which could make a dire situation worse. I hope clubs think of the consequences of voting for this.

Like you say all these chairmen have came out and said they wouldn’t vote for permanent recon at this time as did LD advising now wouldn’t be the right time to push it through.

It would have to be a pretty big swing in a relatively small space of time (over the last 3 weeks) for all these chairmen and CEO’s to have changed their mind. That’s Aberdeen, Ross county, St. Mirren & us who’ve came out and said we aren’t in support of permanent reconstruction right now.

If that’s note the case on Monday then their minds have changed pretty quickly.

[Andy74]

It would seem every journo is reporting that the 14 team league will be our saviour and its suddenly become the best fit for Scottish football, even Jim Spence says it looks like the best option

IF the starting point is that you need to save Hearts then yes, it might be the best of the options discussed. However, there's not a lot wrong with the current set up and we don't need to be trying to save any club from relegation. That's been allowed to become a bit of an accepted fact though.

[Col2]

Wonder if Doncaster has learnt his lesson from votegate and doesn’t want to say anything until he’s content it’s all done and dusted.

Getting all his ducks in a row so when they come to him and mention a legal route once it all falls flat he can say..... well everything was looked at, it was voted on and this was the outcome.

We cannot forget that they actually are a Championship Team, and will vote as one.

I think there will be more than 2 teams voting no in the PL but 2 will be enough to scupper any reconstruction.


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This is a SPFL board proposal and they are asking the clubs to say if they will support the SPFL board. Doncaster is knee deep in getting this over the line.

I will say it again. We will be the loser in all this. Either Ron and Leeanne vote for it (internal Armageddon with fans) or they go against it and if we are only club to do so we will be marginalised and slaughtered in the press.

[MikeyS]

He's a Hibs undercover agent and has done a great job.

I dont think either are. That McCaig couldn't look any more of a Jambo if he tried actually.

[007]

In situations like this those prone to panic or anxiety should breathe in deeply through the nose then exhale slowly through the mouth. Works wonders.

1. The SPFL Board as part of their consultation process over the last two weeks asked clubs if they would accept the tentative proposals put forward by two aggrieved parties and if not what would make them change their mind.

2. Having consulted all 42 clubs they received feedback from at least one with a 14/10/10/10 propsal and at leadt one feeding back they wanted permenant.

3. Having asked for feedback to act upon, to draw a line under the whole affair, the SPFL Board is now undertaking its duty of responsibility to all the clubs to place before them a defining proposition to see if they want to call an EGM to vote on it...or to conclude the discussion for this season.

4. Doncaster is a servant of the company. He is doing the bidding of the Board.

5. In light of the bullying approach by Budge, which needs to be faced down, the Board rightly is examining all options so that they can legally be excluded within the rules and articles of the company.

6. At no time has the SPFL acted unlawfully, nor has it accepted a bribe from Anderson. He is not that stupid, the SPFL is not that stupid and the 42 member clubs are not stupid either.

7. The common belief that the SPFL is corrupt is founded on a misinterpretation of its role, structures and objectives as defined in its articles. It may be organisationally inept, like the SFA but certainly not corrupt.

8. At the end of the day if this all ends up in a court the SPFL can show it has dilligently examined all feasible options but as an operational business had to take a difficult business decision to ensure the business could continue in a manner consistent with its articles of association.

9. Season 2020/2021 will commence on 1st August.

10. Court action may take months if not longer to come to a decision. No court will put 41 clubs out of business for the sake of one club by issuing an interdict preventing next season from commencing without the pursuer having to place a bond of caution covering the potential value of their losses should the pursuers case fail.

11. If all else fails the SFA can step in and organise an alternative competition for licensed clubs through their Professional Game Board.

This may not yet be over but we are in the end game and from my perspective it appears that the lawyer in Doncaster is playing this out diligently and skillfully and in the best interests of the members organisation he serves.

So lets throttle back the rockets, order additional popcorn for home delivery and watch the lockdown drama queens implode before the final credits run.

Top post.

So Hearts claiming restriction of trade and wanting to prevent the league from starting will mean they'll need to stump up for this bond of caution to cover the restriction of trade they'll be causing 41 clubs? Sounds very expensive, multiple millions no doubt which they'll lose if they lose the case. How is it done? Is it cash in escrow?

[theonlywayisup]

It's amusing that after years of Hibs fans (and others) being critical of the 11-1 voting requirement of the Premiership clubs to make change, reconstruction could be stopped all because Hibs, plus one other (say St. Mirren) will vote against it.

If that happens, I think there will be tremendous pressure applied to the two clubs who, in their eyes, are obstructing much needed change in Scottish football. I think, if the above scenario does happen, there will be attempts to overturn the decision, whether we like it or not.

That said, I think more than two Premiership clubs will vote against it for reasons already mentioned many times before. The larger the number of teams voting against reconstruction the lesser the pressure applied. I suppose the conversation at teams like Hamilton, Ross County, St Johnstone, Dundee United & St. Mirren is are they willing to sacrifice a second visit by Celtic/Rangers and say Hibs/Aberdeen (i.e. loss of higher shorter term investment, but irrelevant if you get relegated) with possibly greater Premiership security in an enlarged Premiership.

Exciting!! Well no!! :rolleyes:

[matty_f]

The SPFL are now proposing something though.

The suggestions from Rangers and Hearts didn't get enough support but the SPFL are continuing to try and broker an arrangement that works for everyone.

I think that is the difference in the last couple of weeks.

Previously they just had to facilitate requests from members. Now that those haven't worked they could and should have been calling a halt to the nonsense and focusing on next season getting underway.

I don't think it's so much a case of the SPFL board advocating that it's accepted, more them taking control of the situation.

So far, Budge has had a working group (proposal didn't get off the ground), then she grudgingly went away and worked on a proposal on her own (while complaining about the SPFL not doing it), again that didn't get the support it needed to get off the ground.

While that's been going on, The Rangers have also put in a plan which hasn't got anywhere.

I think the situation was at risk of constantly going back and forward with different proposals coming in.

The SPFL board have effectively stepped in and said "from what's been discussed, this is the best option - do you want it or not?".

I think that's different from them advocating the change.

[Peevemor]

The SPFL are now proposing something though.

The suggestions from Rangers and Hearts didn't get enough support but the SPFL are continuing to try and broker an arrangement that works for everyone.

I think that is the difference in the last couple of weeks.

Previously they just had to facilitate requests from members. Now that those haven't worked they could and should have been calling a halt to the nonsense and focusing on next season getting underway.

Don't you think they're simply following the suggestion of probably a few clubs working together? Just because the Rangers' counter-proposal was the only one publicised, it may not have been the only one submitted.

I don't believe that the latest 14-10-10-10 thing has come from the SPFL board.

[NC1875]

So do we know if Monday is when we’ll finally get an outcome ? Or will they just let Budge and the Huns go away for another few weeks and come back with something else. The SPFL is an utter shambles

[Peevemor]

So do we know if Monday is when we’ll finally get an outcome ? Or will they just let Budge and the Huns go away for another few weeks and come back with something else. The SPFL is an utter shambles

If enough clubs say that they're not interested then Monday should see the end of it, otherwise it will go to an EGM and a formal vote.

[FilipinoHibs]

I dont think either are. That McCaig couldn't look any more of a Jambo if he tried actually.

I was only referring to Saughton. He was revealed on another board. He was peddling 1-3 T-shirts and said he had 62 left.

[hibbysam]

Thing that gets me is that we’ve had about 4 weeks of consultations and indicative votes. If it’s got support, get the EGM called and get it voted on. All this does is give clubs who are saying no more time to be swayed (bribed) before they call a proper vote. Especially with him adding a daft bit about ‘what you say now doesn’t necessarily have to be the way you vote on the resolution’. What’s the point in this 4 day minimum delay, just get it started and done now, clubs will know by Monday what the situation is, and we can then move to get the season started.

I also thought we couldn’t sort reconstruction until we knew how many teams would start the season, what if 14/15 teams below championship have to ‘mothball’, what then for the other clubs? What then for promotion and relegation at the end of 20/21?

[Heisenberg]

Apparently these are the figures required according to a STV journo? I don’t know why it’s not 8 in the Championship...

“Regarding the new 14-10-10-10 proposal from the @spfl - that change requires a qualified resolution to be passed. It needs 11 from 12 Prem clubs, 17 from Prem and Champ combined and 32 of all member clubs to vote in favour to pass...possible?“

Nevermind, this is why:

Qualified Resolution means, in relation to those Reserved Matters referred to in Article 62, a resolution of the Company at a General Meeting, of which notice has been duly given in accordance with these Articles, and which requires the support of not less than 90% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership; 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership and the Championship; and 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership, the Championship, League One and League Two, whether all the Members of the Company actually attend and vote or not, to be passed

[Onion]

This whole episode really has been a mess and doesnt reflect well on a number of parties. Primarily the SPFL. Why did they rush through the original vote (which they then made a horlicks of) only to then decide maybe that wasnt the right course of action. They are now proposing reconstruction which will be pretty bad all round and with the hint of being persuaded by the offer of money from a Hearts benefactor.

However, it is also fair to say that although it looked very likely that Hearts would go down, it was still possible they may have survived. If we end up with an SPFL with Hearts in it and a poor format then so be it is my view. At least football is back and also we do at least have derbies to look forward to which at the end of the day for me is the main thing.

I also do think that actually if we had won one or even both of the home derbies as we should have done and Hearts were 7 or even 10 points adrift, would that have changed things as it would have appeared even less likely that they could make those points up.

My fear if this goes through is it opens up a can of worms. There is every chance that the next 12 -18 months of football will be impacted by Covid - perhaps on and off. Key players, managers, teams could all be tested positive at various stages with games impacted or even cancelled. Clubs may also struggle financially.

We could easily see another season ended early. Then what ? A terrible precedent will have been set so those in relegation spots would have every right to try buy, sue or coerce their way back into the top flight. Hearts and the SPFL will have a lot to answer for. In saying that, can't see Doncaster hanging around after this. If he's any sense he'll be off as soon as this chapter is over - leaving the rest of us to the mess he's helped create.

[CropleyWasGod]

Apparently these are the figures required according to a STV journo? I don’t know why it’s not 8 in the Championship...

“Regarding the new 14-10-10-10 proposal from the @spfl - that change requires a qualified resolution to be passed. It needs 11 from 12 Prem clubs, 17 from Prem and Champ combined and 32 of all member clubs to vote in favour to pass...possible?“

Nevermind, this is why:

Qualified Resolution means, in relation to those Reserved Matters referred to in Article 62, a resolution of the Company at a General Meeting, of which notice has been duly given in accordance with these Articles, and which requires the support of not less than 90% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership; 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership and the Championship; and 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership, the Championship, League One and League Two, whether all the Members of the Company actually attend and vote or not, to be passed

The Championship isn't polled separately, by my reading. "75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership and the Championship" means 75% of 22, ie 17.

That is, of course, in addtion to 11 in the Premiership AND 32 overall.

In summary, to pass, it would need 11 (or 12) in the Premiershio, AND 6 (or 5) in the Championship AND 15 in Leagues 1 and 2.

[Chorley Hibee]

I don't think it's so much a case of the SPFL board advocating that it's accepted, more them taking control of the situation.

So far, Budge has had a working group (proposal didn't get off the ground), then she grudgingly went away and worked on a proposal on her own (while complaining about the SPFL not doing it), again that didn't get the support it needed to get off the ground.

While that's been going on, The Rangers have also put in a plan which hasn't got anywhere.

I think the situation was at risk of constantly going back and forward with different proposals coming in.

The SPFL board have effectively stepped in and said "from what's been discussed, this is the best option - do you want it or not?".

I think that's different from them advocating the change.

I'm with Andy on this.

Far from them facilitating a club's proposal, they are now actively driving the agenda.

The SPFL are the clubs, so what club(s) are behind this latest proposal? Surely we would know this by now?

By hook or by crook, the SPFL board are determined to drive this through. I think people are naive in the extreme to believe this is Doncaster covering his back against any potential legal action.

I believe he's in favour of this reconstruction and he's determined to achieve it one way or another.

[Jim44]

I don't think it's so much a case of the SPFL board advocating that it's accepted, more them taking control of the situation.

So far, Budge has had a working group (proposal didn't get off the ground), then she grudgingly went away and worked on a proposal on her own (while complaining about the SPFL not doing it), again that didn't get the support it needed to get off the ground.

While that's been going on, The Rangers have also put in a plan which hasn't got anywhere.

I think the situation was at risk of constantly going back and forward with different proposals coming in.

The SPFL board have effectively stepped in and said "from what's been discussed, this is the best option - do you want it or not?".

I think that's different from them advocating the change.

I’d like to agree with your slant on this, Matty, but there is one telling issue which points to Doncaster favouring reconstruction and that was his request that clubs should state if they would support it and if not, why not, giving reasons. Why ask for all that information if it was not going to be used. It infers that unfavourable or unacceptable points could or would be tweaked into making it more acceptable. To me, that clearly shows that Doncaster and certain others are clearly in favour pushing it through.

[Peevemor]

I'm with Andy on this.

Far from them facilitating a club's proposal, they are now actively driving the agenda.

The SPFL are the clubs, so what club(s) are behind this latest proposal? Surely we would know this by now?

By hook or by crook, the SPFL board are determined to drive this through. I think people are naive in the extreme to believe this is Doncaster covering his back against any potential legal action.

I believe he's in favour of this reconstruction and he's determined to achieve it one way or another.

So a few like-minded club owners/chairmen call each other before giving their answers and Doncaster finds himself with 15-20 suggestions of 14-10-10-10 in his inbox. Is he meant to just ignore it?

[GonzoReturns]

If this had been the original proposal before the leagues were called then I think it would have been passed however following all the accusations, bullying the way Chucky Budge has acted etc the whole thing has become very muddied. The reason it might still pass are clubs who are continually hovering over the relegation/play off spot will see an increased league as a better chance to stay in the premiership. So while they might need to take a financial hit longer term they might look at us as giving them more financial security.

[The 90+2]

Surely nobody is going to demand a refund on season tickets if this ***** Ends up going through despite us as a club voting against it?

[Keith_M]

I think reconstruction will happen with us being the only top division club to vote against. Hertz will come back up and we will be saddled with a horrendous 14 team league. I trust Hibs to do the right thing, the rest not so much.


I disagree, I think Hibs and Hearts will both vote no.

Budge has already said she is opposed to a permanent enlargement of the top league and is only in favour of temporary reconstruction.

I firmly believe that, as a woman of principle, she will not waver from that viewpoint and she'll do the right thing.

[chippy]

Thing that gets me is that we’ve had about 4 weeks of consultations and indicative votes. If it’s got support, get the EGM called and get it voted on. All this does is give clubs who are saying no more time to be swayed (bribed) before they call a proper vote. Especially with him adding a daft bit about ‘what you say now doesn’t necessarily have to be the way you vote on the resolution’. What’s the point in this 4 day minimum delay, just get it started and done now, clubs will know by Monday what the situation is, and we can then move to get the season started.

I also thought we couldn’t sort reconstruction until we knew how many teams would start the season, what if 14/15 teams below championship have to ‘mothball’, what then for the other clubs? What then for promotion and relegation at the end of 20/21?

The old firm are driving this. See it as an opportunity to get B teams into the spfl. Maybe not this season but possibly next. As you say what if quite a few clubs mothball? Maybe B teams will take their place for a season

[The 90+2]

If this had been the original proposal before the leagues were called then I think it would have been passed however following all the accusations, bullying the way Chucky Budge has acted etc the whole thing has become very muddied. The reason it might still pass are clubs who are continually hovering over the relegation/play off spot will see an increased league as a better chance to stay in the premiership. So while they might need to take a financial hit longer term they might look at us as giving them more financial security.

Then there’s clubs like us, Killie, Motherwell, St Johnstone always kicking about trying to get in the top six that will find less games to do so and end up in a bottom 8 most seasons missing away supports ££. I would include hearts in that but obviously they will vote this through. What’s this proposal go that benefits a Killie apart from giving up more of the prize money pool just to save Hearts?

[Peevemor]

I disagree, I think Hibs and Hearts will both vote no.

Budge has already said she is opposed to a permanent enlargement of the top league and is only in favour of temporary reconstruction.

I firmly believe that, as a woman of principle, she will not waver from that viewpoint and she'll do the right thing.

I believe I can fly,
I believe I can touch the sky...

[Chorley Hibee]

So a few like-minded club owners/chairmen call each other before giving their answers and Doncaster finds himself with 15-20 suggestions of 14-10-10-10 in his inbox. Is he meant to just ignore it?

So when does a line get drawn under this? We need a well thought out proposal (case studies etc) before anything should be considered. Not chairman/owners on the phone arranging reconstruction on a fag packet for implementation in just a few weeks time.

It's a farce!

Jim44 makes a very valid point above this too.

[mjhibby]

If enough clubs say that they're not interested then Monday should see the end of it, otherwise it will go to an EGM and a formal vote.

It’s obvious that not enough want it or otherwise it would have gone straight to the vote on Monday and then call an egm to formally change the structure. For gods sake surely everbody has made it abundantly clear on a 14 team spl so why keep going back to ask the same question. It was a no because of the nonsense split and the likes of st mirren,Hamilton and Ross county being very well aware that it’s unworkable and it will be back to 12 within a couple of years with maybe four of the top flight down. The only change is Anderson money. It doesn’t take Einstein to work out what’s going on.
As usual the fans are being treated like idiots,not just at our club either. It’s now up to hibs,Aberdeen,Ross county and the two saintees to explain their thinking to the fans and if they have changed their minds then why.
If as seems likely in two years time they trim the league back to 12 and hertz are in the bottom three do we go through this farce again and they claim it’s unfair even though they voted to go back to 12. I’m hoping that this is Doncaster is just being especially diligent but if it comes to pass the game will have shot itself in the foot big time when we should be trying to ensure we keep all 42 clubs.
It’s an utter decking scandal that we’ve wasted over two months on this when the real issue of how the likes of the pars and qos recruit a brand new squad and clubs like Hamilton recruit at least ten new players. That’s what irks me most about this farce that there has been no planning for how we get through this crisis but have tried every slippery possible way to save one team. What’s the bet they will be near relegation next season. Pretty high I’d say and then all the clubs will have gone through this nonsense and lost hundreds of fans for nowt.
I hope all chairman/ceos in the spl and the other leagues think long and hard as if they let his happen it could well see fans drifting away at an alarming rate. As everbody has said if this was Hamilton or st mirren then none of the last two months would have happened and that is a damning indictment on Scottish football and its structure. I hope Monday brings an end to this once and for all.

[green with envy]

I disagree, I think Hibs and Hearts will both vote no.

Budge has already said she is opposed to a permanent enlargement of the top league and is only in favour of temporary reconstruction.

I firmly believe that, as a woman of principle, she will not waver from that viewpoint and she'll do the right thing.

Funniest post on here today as yet.:greengrin

[GonzoReturns]

Then there’s clubs like us, Killie, Motherwell, St Johnstone always kicking about trying to get in the top six that will find less games to do so and end up in a bottom 8 most seasons missing away supports ££. I would include hearts in that but obviously they will vote this through. What’s this proposal go that benefits a Killie apart from giving up more of the prize money pool just to save Hearts?

Fair point you just hope that’s the mentality those clubs do take. What we don’t know are what other ‘financial incentives’ are being discussed 🤔🤔🤔

[theonlywayisup]

Then there’s clubs like us, Killie, Motherwell, St Johnstone always kicking about trying to get in the top six that will find less games to do so and end up in a bottom 8 most seasons missing away supports ££. I would include hearts in that but obviously they will vote this through. What’s this proposal go that benefits a Killie apart from giving up more of the prize money pool just to save Hearts?

Improved likelihood of staying in the Premiership rather than dropping down into the Championship. That said, it must be ages since the were last in the second tier.

[grunt]

What's laughable too is that there are some, including Cockface McCaig, who think that Hibs voting to call the league and probably against reconstruction is specifically to send Hearts down. They haven't considered that it's simply the right way to vote (from hibs point of view) and that Hearts being bottom of the league was incidental.
There was never any talk of league reconstruction until Hearts were relegated. Or was there?

[B.H.F.C]

The old firm are driving this. See it as an opportunity to get B teams into the spfl. Maybe not this season but possibly next. As you say what if quite a few clubs mothball? Maybe B teams will take their place for a season

Whatever is on the table is for permanent change. Given it’s not going to include Colt teams coming in to the league, which they want, I don’t see the benefit to them?

[brog]

I’d like to agree with your slant on this, Matty, but there is one telling issue which points to Doncaster favouring reconstruction and that was his request that clubs should state if they would support it and if not, why not, giving reasons. Why ask for all that information if it was not going to be used. It infers that unfavourable or unacceptable points could or would be tweaked into making it more acceptable. To me, that clearly shows that Doncaster and certain others are clearly in favour pushing it through.

Where did you see the bit in bold Jim? I can't find that anywhere.

[HFC 0-7]

Whatever is on the table is for permanent change. Given it’s not going to include Colt teams coming in to the league, which they want, I don’t see the benefit to them?

They will play less games per season

[Col2]

Anyone seen the proposals for relegation/promotion for this latest idea ? Maybe i missed it but if the clubs have been asked to think about this proposal without having this available to them then it shows you the level of intelligence at the top of Scottish football ! ie none.

There is no paper on this. I know you couldn’t make it up. The SPFL board are asking for clubs to indicatively vote for structure (without the detail) to them go into consultation, develop the detail and then rubber stamp at EGM.

[Aldo]

This is a SPFL board proposal and they are asking the clubs to say if they will support the SPFL board. Doncaster is knee deep in getting this over the line.

I will say it again. We will be the loser in all this. Either Ron and Leeanne vote for it (internal Armageddon with fans) or they go against it and if we are only club to do so we will be marginalised and slaughtered in the press.

I know it is Col. It’s a total shambles yet again.

It’s about looking after us simple as for me. I would hope they vote no!


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[mal]

Improved likelihood of staying in the Premiership rather than dropping down into the Championship. That said, it must be ages since the were last in the second tier.

That depends on what the relegation/promotion proposals are. 1 down, 1 playoff makes bottom 8 even duller and more full of meaningless games. 2 down, 1 playoff would mean a significantly higher percentage chance of relegation, although you could argue that the number of "safe" positions in the league increases slightly - 11th would be safe, as opposed to 10th now.

On another topic, it's worth noting that a 14-team league presumably dilutes everyone's voting rights in that future votes would require a 13-1 majority rather than 11-1. If the proposed voting structure is going to be other than that I can't see the OF going for it as they wouldn't want to give up their duopoly.

[Brightside]

I'm with Andy on this.

Far from them facilitating a club's proposal, they are now actively driving the agenda.

The SPFL are the clubs, so what club(s) are behind this latest proposal? Surely we would know this by now?

By hook or by crook, the SPFL board are determined to drive this through. I think people are naive in the extreme to believe this is Doncaster covering his back against any potential legal action.

I believe he's in favour of this reconstruction and he's determined to achieve it one way or another.

No they arent. He is only doing this and enough people have said there is still interest in a 14 team league. He's doing what hes told to ensure they cant be taken to court.

[Brightside]

The old firm are driving this. See it as an opportunity to get B teams into the spfl. Maybe not this season but possibly next. As you say what if quite a few clubs mothball? Maybe B teams will take their place for a season

eh? :confused:

[Moulin Yarns]

Putting aside the Save Hearts In Trouble movement, and assuming that there is an appetite for 2 more clubs, then can we not just admit Brora and Kelty into a 12 team division 2?

Making the league structure 12, 10, 10 and 12 with the minimum of fuss.

[Brightside]

Putting aside the Save Hearts In Trouble movement, and assuming that there is an appetite for 2 more clubs, then can we not just admit Brora and Kelty into a 12 team division 2?

Making the league structure 12, 10, 10 and 12 with the minimum of fuss.

The proposal was all about trying to stop any team being relegated. The other 2 coming up has always just been a side show.

[Since452]

The proposal was all about trying to stop any team being relegated. The other 2 coming up has always just been a side show.

Yup. Even Budge herself said 42 clubs was too many. Now she's supporting a 44 club set up. Embarrassing self interest.

[B.H.F.C]

They will play less games per season

Less match day revenue. Only one game, but still.

[04Sauzee]

Still not sure why Dundee would be happy for ICT to be promoted, or Ayr for that matter

[Blaster]

Still not sure why Dundee would be happy for ICT to be promoted, or Ayr for that matter

Should give them a better chance of coming up next season

[Barney McGrew]

Still not sure why Dundee would be happy for ICT to be promoted, or Ayr for that matter

They'll be the championship next season regardless. It’ll be much easier them to be promoted at the end of it without Hertz and ICT it too. And there’s probably more chance of them staying in a 14 team top league than a 12.

[Brightside]

So we will know by about 1030am on Monday if there is enough indicatives votes to move this to a full resolution vote. But even if it passes on Monday it would be at least another 4/5 days until the full vote would be completed. We are getting closer to end of June for confirmation IF they get enough indicative votes on Monday.

My view is that ND is looking for at least 3/4 teams to say NO to him in the SPL indicative Monday vote then he can close it all down for good.

[Heisenberg]

https://twitter.com/clydessb/status/1271071100919779328?s=21

At least there is clarity there that this is it for reconstruction one way or the other. Also shows up that moon howler on twitter/kickback that he’s been talking *****.

[Peevemor]

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[Peevemor]

So we will know by about 1030am on Monday if there is enough indicatives votes to move this to a full resolution vote. But even if it passes on Monday it would be at least another 4/5 days until the full vote would be completed. We are getting closer to end of June for confirmation IF they get enough indicative votes on Monday.

My view is that ND is looking for at least 3/4 teams to say NO to him in the SPL indicative Monday vote then he can close it all down for good.

Here's hoping! :agree:

[Jim44]

Where did you see the bit in bold Jim? I can't find that anywhere.

It was definitely a fairly recent request from Doncaster. I don't remember where I read it. I’m guessing it might have been towards the end of last week or it might have been on Monday after their video conference. I’ve maybe paraphrased his words a bit but it was certainly a request for clubs to respond to a proposal and to outline any objections or sticking points. I’ll see if I can track it down.

[Dublin07]

https://twitter.com/clydessb/status/1271071100919779328?s=21

At least there is clarity there that this is it for reconstruction one way or the other. Also shows up that moon howler on twitter/kickback that he’s been talking *****.

Basically as soon as 2 premiership clubs say no its done and dusted and we can get on with next season

[Hibs4185]

So we will know by about 1030am on Monday if there is enough indicatives votes to move this to a full resolution vote. But even if it passes on Monday it would be at least another 4/5 days until the full vote would be completed. We are getting closer to end of June for confirmation IF they get enough indicative votes on Monday.

My view is that ND is looking for at least 3/4 teams to say NO to him in the SPL indicative Monday vote then he can close it all down for good.

From KP’s comments that hibs are aware of fans feelings, which would suggest we are a no.

Only 1 more premiership club and the latest reconstruction proposal
Is dead.

He states a couple of times that time is limited, which to me suggests this is the last throw of the dice.

Hopefully that’s it done and dusted on Monday.

[JimBHibees]

It was definitely a fairly recent request from Doncaster. I don't remember where I read it. I’m guessing it might have been towards the end of last week or it might have been on Monday after their video conference. I’ve maybe paraphrased his words a bit but it was certainly a request for clubs to respond to a proposal and to outline any objections or sticking points. I’ll see if I can track it down.

Yes Doncaster put something like that out a week or so ago asking for an indication of a vote and for teams to indicate what would make them consider it if they voted no. Think it was between the Hearts proposal and the Rangers one.

[Stuart93]

From KP’s comments that hibs are aware of fans feelings, which would suggest we are a no.

Only 1 more premiership club and the latest reconstruction proposal
Is dead.

He states a couple of times that time is limited, which to me suggests this is the last throw of the dice.

Hopefully that’s it done and dusted on Monday.

Wasn’t it just last week St Mirren chairman and manager came out and said they wouldn’t be voting for any league reconstruction as they believed hearts were acting in self interest? I don’t see how that could have changed

[Rumble de Thump]

The clubs that have undoubtedly been the most devious and underhand through this whole situation are Inverness and Hearts. It wouldn't be right for these two clubs to be the ones to benefit in anyway from reconctruction. That alone would put me off. Reconscruction at this time is also a pish idea. It's a no from me.

[Chorley Hibee]

Yes Doncaster put something like that out a week or so ago asking for an indication of a vote and for teams to indicate what would make them consider it if they voted no. Think it was between the Hearts proposal and the Rangers one.

This is it here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52905133

[Jim44]

Yes Doncaster put something like that out a week or so ago asking for an indication of a vote and for teams to indicate what would make them consider it if they voted no. Think it was between the Hearts proposal and the Rangers one.

Thanks, Jim, that’s the one. I got the impression he was personally in favour and looking for ways to tweak it into acceptability.

[stuart-farquhar]

They'll be the championship next season regardless. It’ll be much easier them to be promoted at the end of it without Hertz and ICT it too. And there’s probably more chance of them staying in a 14 team top league than a 12.So

So if they have been relegated and are now in tier 2. How has the decision been made to pronote them after zero games have been played. Premier league was delared over and out? So it was rearranged that Hibs finishing place was dropped ro 7th, Europe sorted. All this stands except relegation. Seems convenient and incredibly fortuitous for someone. If it was us in the mire we'd probably be censured for.... well being Hibs.

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/clydessb/status/1271071100919779328?s=21

At least there is clarity there that this is it for reconstruction one way or the other. Also shows up that moon howler on twitter/kickback that he’s been talking *****.So it's beginning to look like there's not a special Save Hearts In Trouble clause, nor is there any magic beans clause where Doncaster just says he's imposing already relegated Hearts on the top flight just because a couple of attention seeking rubbernecks on Kickback say there is one?

Who would have thought it.

I'd like to see celtc play a part in killing off the Hearts/Inverness promotion dream but a Hibs St. Mirren joint effort will do

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[Dashing Bob S]

I think quite a few clubs will kill it at Monday’s indicative vote, but if it only takes two I would love it every other ones except Hibs and St Mirren changed their minds.

[we are hibs]

What happens if 10 premiership clubs vote for it and 2 against then 10 championship sides vote for it to pass? Thats 20/22 for but i take it that it would fail due to not being 11 premiership clubs?

[JeMeSouviens]

https://twitter.com/clydessb/status/1271071100919779328?s=21

At least there is clarity there that this is it for reconstruction one way or the other. Also shows up that moon howler on twitter/kickback that he’s been talking *****.

The SPFL board were meant to be imposing reconstruction yesterday. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Leaving aside the fact that it saves Hearts, this is a terrible proposal for Hibs.

1. 14 teams sharing out the money rather than 12 means a cut in our finances. Which player do we get rid of to pay for that?

2. If we end up in the top 6 we have one less home game. That means the club have to cut the price of the season ticket meaning less revenue. Which player do we get rid of?

3. If we end up in the bottom 6 we have an extra home game but 4 less category A games to sell. And if we are about 7th we have 14 meaningless games to finish the season. Good luck selling season tickets based on a split that happens in February.

4. The prize money for finishing bottom of the league is now half what is now. That’s is a big risk going into next season for all the clubs near the bottom of the table.

Not only is this bad for Hibs, it’s bad for most clubs in the league. And it’s permanent. To change it back would require an 11-1 vote in favour. The clubs would be mental to vote for this.
It’s Scottish football though so there is a chance.


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[JeMeSouviens]

What happens if 10 premiership clubs vote for it and 2 against then 10 championship sides vote for it to pass? Thats 20/22 for but i take it that it would fail due to not being 11 premiership clubs?

Deid.

Needs all 3 criteria. 11/12 Prem, 75% of Prem & Champ, 75% of all clubs.

[Ozyhibby]

What happens if 10 premiership clubs vote for it and 2 against then 10 championship sides vote for it to pass? Thats 20/22 for but i take it that it would fail due to not being 11 premiership clubs?

Yes


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[Stuart93]

What happens if 10 premiership clubs vote for it and 2 against then 10 championship sides vote for it to pass? Thats 20/22 for but i take it that it would fail due to not being 11 premiership clubs?

Correct. I’d expect an absolute onslaught from both fellow premiership clubs & the media for the 2 who’d say no BUT that’s tough titty

[JeMeSouviens]

Leaving aside the fact that it saves Hearts, this is a terrible proposal for Hibs.

1. 14 teams sharing out the money rather than 12 means a cut in our finances. Which player do we get rid of to pay for that?

2. If we end up in the top 6 we have one less home game. That means the club have to cut the price of the season ticket meaning less revenue. Which player do we get rid of?

3. If we end up in the bottom 6 we have an extra home game but 4 less category A games to sell. And if we are about 7th we have 14 meaningless games to finish the season. Good luck selling season tickets based on a split that happens in February.

4. The prize money for finishing bottom of the league is now half what is now. That’s is a big risk going into next season for all the clubs near the bottom of the table.

Not only is this bad for Hibs, it’s bad for most clubs in the league. And it’s permanent. To change it back would require an 11-1 vote in favour. The clubs would be mental to vote for this.
It’s Scottish football though so there is a chance.


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Yo-yo teams might be in favour of it as extra insurance against relegation. In normal circumstances Hearts would have been one of the most against. Hibs and Aberdeen will definitely be against, probably Motherwell, Killie and some others as well.

[GonzoReturns]

Leaving aside the fact that it saves Hearts, this is a terrible proposal for Hibs.

1. 14 teams sharing out the money rather than 12 means a cut in our finances. Which player do we get rid of to pay for that?

2. If we end up in the top 6 we have one less home game. That means the club have to cut the price of the season ticket meaning less revenue. Which player do we get rid of?

3. If we end up in the bottom 6 we have an extra home game but 4 less category A games to sell. And if we are about 7th we have 14 meaningless games to finish the season. Good luck selling season tickets based on a split that happens in February.

4. The prize money for finishing bottom of the league is now half what is now. That’s is a big risk going into next season for all the clubs near the bottom of the table.

Not only is this bad for Hibs, it’s bad for most clubs in the league. And it’s permanent. To change it back would require an 11-1 vote in favour. The clubs would be mental to vote for this.
It’s Scottish football though so there is a chance.


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The unknown are what other financial incentives/inducements are being put forward......

[Ozyhibby]

The unknown are what other financial incentives/inducements are being put forward......

They would need to be very impressive for every team to take less money forever.


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[lugz]

I can't see this going through at all, I can see rangers spitting the dummy and voting no since their colts idea has been pushed to one side.

[Irish_Steve]

I was only referring to Saughton. He was revealed on another board. He was peddling 1-3 T-shirts and said he had 62 left.

I originally thought that but there are too many on Brokeback that actually know him and can vouch for his jamboness. How he gets his info, I'm not sure but he does appear to have got a few things right in the past according to them.

[Real Emerald]

I think quite a few clubs will kill it at Monday’s indicative vote, but if it only takes two I would love it every other ones except Hibs and St Mirren changed their minds.

If two or three Premiership clubs came out publicly saying they’re definitely voting against it in the next day or two it could be put to bed before the weekend and we can all move on. I hope some do but doubt they will.

[GonzoReturns]

They would need to be very impressive for every team to take less money forever.


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Agreed problem though most clubs live in the here and now. I just find it strange that through out all this the top clubs haven’t been more vocal about not accepting a 14 club league, our club included.

[Marco G]

If two or three Premiership clubs came out publicly saying they’re definitely voting against it in the next day or two it could be put to bed before the weekend and we can all move on. I hope some do but doubt they will.Don't need to say it publicly. Doncaster says he wants responses asap, and by Monday 10am at latest. If he gets enough negative replies say by Friday he and board can say that already there is no support to go for an egm and vote.

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