NO to reconstruction

[greenginger]

I’m sure the difference in countries like Belgium and France is the league board made the decision to end their season. Ours was decided by a democratic vote including all member clubs. Hearts even agreed to end the season themselves eventually.

And banked their end of season payout.

[Peevemor]

Disagree. You play the old firm 4 times you might beat either of them once but you won’t do it three times. Play them twice and you might beat them once. That negates the gap in points right away. It’s how you do against the other teams after that that will see how you compete at the top end if you’re up there. I’d also bin one point for a goalless draw. Both teams should get diddly squat.I see what you're saying, but I've seen seasons where the difference between Hibs & Celtic or Rangers hasn't been down to points won or lost in the matches against them, but over the course of the season against other teams. Anyone can beat anyone else on their day, but resources make a huge difference when looking to pick up points week-in week-out.

[weecounty hibby]

Kickback has all the answers


Maiden Gorgie Maiden Gorgie

Posted 32 minutes ago
45 minutes ago, The Gasman said:

All that Doncaster needs to do is personally phone each Club Chairman in turn, and lay it out for them in simple terms.



The SPFL has zero funds



The SPFL’s legal costs (£500,000) will need to be met by the Member Clubs each paying an equal share, regardless of their league or their income.



If they lose, Hearts legal costs (£500,000) will need to be met by the Member Clubs each paying an equal share, regardless of their league or their income.



If they lose Hearts damages (£4,000,000?) will need to be met by Member Clubs each paying an equal share, regardless of their league or their income.



Their individual share would be almost £150,000.



Would they please make their cheque payable to “SPFL Fighting Fund”, and send to Hampden to arrive no later than Tuesday 30th of June.



Oh, and a little reminder, any Club failing to pay their share, or failing to be able to fulfill their fixtures after paying their share, will find themselves expelled from the SPFL in line with the current rules.



I’m guessing that with zero income just now, and possibly zero income till some time next year, every single Chairman outside the Premiership (and a few in the Premiership) will know that bill will kill off their Club out from under them.



They’ll lose their Blazer, they’ll lose the chance to sit on working parties and committees, and they’ll always be remembered as the one in charge when their local Club died. Remembered as the one who’s decisions led to their Club’s death.



They’ll **** themselves.



They’ll agree to back what ever proposal Doncaster puts in front of them. They may not like it, but they’ll go along with it.



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That is classic, expelled in line with current SPFL rules. Yeah just like the one that says you can't take the governing body to court. Utter fantasists

[Ozyhibby]

And deny the possibility of Rangers and Celtic being even less competitive in Europe that they are now?

Those dumplings form along the road have been crying about restriction of trade, but what you're suggesting at least gives such a claim some merit.

Football is not amateur golf with a handicap system in place.

Salary caps exist in lots of leagues. They are a way of improving the competition.


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[hibbyfraelibby]

I agree on squad size but why would a salary cap not help?
A salary cap set at say £6m a season would probably only affect two teams. And it would give us a competitive league.


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Salary cap would drive talent away from the game in Scotland. What level would you set it at? Would it be kegal. Coukd you enforce it? Too easily subverted.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Hearts fans seem to think reconstruction will be pushed through by Doncaster with no need for a vote?

Hurtz fans need an enema to flush out the last of the $#!t

[hibbyfraelibby]

Was told that by a jambo mate yesterday.

Apparently he is able to push it through as some sort of emergency legislation without the need to ask clubs to vote on it.

He has no such powers. Its just another fantasy straw in the wind they are clutching at...and missing

[Ozyhibby]

Salary cap would drive talent away from the game in Scotland. What level would you set it at? Would it be kegal. Coukd you enforce it? Too easily subverted.

Of course it would be legal. If it was set at £6m Hibs could carry on without losing a single player. It would only affect two clubs.
And yes of course it could be enforced. It is elsewhere. Rugby recently relegated Saracens for breaches to their salary cap.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51164177

There is no doubt it would upset Celtic and Rangers but it would make the league a lot more competitive. They would still have an advantage from their ability to get the best coaches and have the best facilities but it might bring a bit of excitement to the league.


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[green day]

Of course it would be legal. If it was set at £6m Hibs could carry on without losing a single player. It would only affect two clubs.
And yes of course it could be enforced. It is elsewhere. Rugby recently relegated Saracens for breaches to their salary cap.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51164177

There is no doubt it would upset Celtic and Rangers but it would make the league a lot more competitive. They would still have an advantage from their ability to get the best coaches and have the best facilities but it might bring a bit of excitement to the league.


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+1 to all of that.

Unfortunately, it would probably need that famous 11-1 vote to pass it, and Rangers and Celtic would vote against...............despite everything their fans say, they need one another to continue operating the cartel.

[Col2]

There is no way Ms Budge is going to court. And even if she did it wouldn’t get past the first hurdle. The fallout for Hearts from trying to take the other 41 clubs to court if unthinkable for them.

It’s all bluster and safe saving.

[greenlex]

I see what you're saying, but I've seen seasons where the difference between Hibs & Celtic or Rangers hasn't been down to points won or lost in the matches against them, but over the course of the season against other teams. Anyone can beat anyone else on their day, but resources make a huge difference when looking to pick up points week-in week-out.
Absolutely it’s about the whole set of games but the breaking their dominance isn’t going to happen in the current format where they have the greater chance against their immediate rivals.

[Lago]

Absolutely it’s about the whole set of games but the breaking their dominance isn’t going to happen in the current format where they have the greater chance against their immediate rivals.
The days when Hibs, Aberdeen or others could realistically push the Glasgow 2 are long gone & will stay that way.

[chippy]

How long before the OF want a 'C' team in the league? After all a 'B' team is such a good idea.

In days not so long ago we had a team in a pretty competitive reserve league and a Colts team in the East of Scotland League. Reserve league stopped due to many clubs unable to afford it. Now the Development league is rubbish as not enough competition for us and others

[Caversham Green]

Kickback has all the answers


Maiden Gorgie Maiden Gorgie

Posted 32 minutes ago
45 minutes ago, The Gasman said:

All that Doncaster needs to do is personally phone each Club Chairman in turn, and lay it out for them in simple terms.



The SPFL has zero funds



The SPFL’s legal costs (£500,000) will need to be met by the Member Clubs each paying an equal share, regardless of their league or their income.



If they lose, Hearts legal costs (£500,000) will need to be met by the Member Clubs each paying an equal share, regardless of their league or their income.



If they lose Hearts damages (£4,000,000?) will need to be met by Member Clubs each paying an equal share, regardless of their league or their income.



Their individual share would be almost £150,000.



Would they please make their cheque payable to “SPFL Fighting Fund”, and send to Hampden to arrive no later than Tuesday 30th of June.



Oh, and a little reminder, any Club failing to pay their share, or failing to be able to fulfill their fixtures after paying their share, will find themselves expelled from the SPFL in line with the current rules.



I’m guessing that with zero income just now, and possibly zero income till some time next year, every single Chairman outside the Premiership (and a few in the Premiership) will know that bill will kill off their Club out from under them.



They’ll lose their Blazer, they’ll lose the chance to sit on working parties and committees, and they’ll always be remembered as the one in charge when their local Club died. Remembered as the one who’s decisions led to their Club’s death.



They’ll **** themselves.



They’ll agree to back what ever proposal Doncaster puts in front of them. They may not like it, but they’ll go along with it.



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There is one minor flaw in that plan. The SPFL is a limited company so if it has no funds it would have no alternative but to go into administration and since it has few assets it would probably be liquidated and HoMFC would get hee-haw compensation.

[Caversham Green]

The SPFL is a members association. A lot of folk seem to think Doncaster has more power than he actually does. He essentially does the bidding of the clubs.

:agree: In the unlikely event that such a power existed it would rest with the board and the board is mostly made up of representatives of clubs that oppose reconstruction.

[007]

Was told that by a jambo mate yesterday.

Apparently he is able to push it through as some sort of emergency legislation without the need to ask clubs to vote on it.

You should ask him which rule it is. The rules are easily found online so you could also ask if such a rule exists (in reality and not as a figment of Ann Budge's imagination), how come it is only Hearts fans that know about it. Not a single journalist has found it, or been given it and put it in an article . Surely it would be getting circulated on social media by now? Or maybe it has and he can send you a link.

[malcolm]

A cap will never happen but slightly more realistically, a return to having to share gates would help in a way that a salary cap wouldn’t. There has to be two teams for a game to be played!

I think any realistic chance of competition for the title outside glasgow went when they stopped sharing gates for league games. I think this approach, after deducting expenses and a home team allowance as a % of the gate, could help more teams compete (though no guarantee that success would be shared more widely). It would also undermine the financial ‘need’ to so frequently have to endure visiting hordes of OF fans.

Sadly even gate sharing were accepted to be in the interests of Scottish football and the overwhelming majority wanted it, it would never happen - thanks to Aberdeen the opportunity to ditch the 2 club OF veto was passed up.

[Aldo]

There is no way Ms Budge is going to court. And even if she did it wouldn’t get past the first hurdle. The fallout for Hearts from trying to take the other 41 clubs to court if unthinkable for them.

It’s all bluster and safe saving.

Funny how it’s all gone very quiet all of a sudden! Either she’s writing up a massive statement about legal action etc or she knows the end is nigh.

Funny reading some of the posts about those clowns thinking they would win legally. All along Doncaster has been playing them for fools and if they think he will invoke some emergency clause after the teams democratically voted no to reconstruction they are need to up their medication!

We might get a statement or 2 this week but for those looking in. Get it right roond ye!


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[GreenCastle]

Playing the Ugly Sisters twice a season won't make it easier to win the league. Any "advantage" that comes from two fewer opportunities to drop points to the Ugly Sisters will be replaced by opportunities to drop points to other clubs. How often did Celtc drop points in the season just finished to teams in the bottom half of the table compared to Motherwell or Aberdeen? Clubs that find themselves in mid-table will see a crop off in attendances which will restrict their budgets for signing players. Meanwhile the Ugly Sisters will still have their usual financial advantage. And do we really have another six or eight clubs in Scottish football with the quality to compete in the top half of the table to raise rather than weaken the standard of competition?

If a team is good enough to win the league, then it is good enough to take more points off the Ugly Sisters than it drops. And there are fewer chances for the Ugly Sisters to make up those points if teams play four times instead of two.

I really don’t get this logic.

How does a good team outwith the Old Firm have not chance to drop points just because they play others ?

Playing the Old Firm x 8 a season can sometimes mean 24 points lost to them !!

We will NEVER have another Old Firm league winner till the league structure is changed to x2 a season.

History shows this and the sooner it’s changed the better for fans, players who open say they are bored playing same team x4 a season in league and possibly more in cup (replays also).

[Jdawg]

There is one minor flaw in that plan. The SPFL is a limited company so if it has no funds it would have no alternative but to go into administration and since it has few assets it would probably be liquidated and HoMFC would get hee-haw compensation.

Correct. Hibs have 1 share at £1. No liability beyond that 😂. It’s how a private limited company works. Never catch on on sickbag though.

Bank of Scotland and Clydesdale Bank have floating charges, so in the event of admin/liquidation of SPFL they would be paid first, not hearts (if they win their court case, which they won’t).

[GreenCastle]

There is no way Ms Budge is going to court. And even if she did it wouldn’t get past the first hurdle. The fallout for Hearts from trying to take the other 41 clubs to court if unthinkable for them.

It’s all bluster and safe saving.

She hasn’t actually done anything close to change since the season ended.

She’s all talk and the proposals drafted have rightly been a total waste of her and others time.

Give me one difference / change she’s made since the season was suspended?? Absolutely nothing !!

Like their wee friends in Govan it’s all about making as much noise as possible to appease fans and say she’s tried.

Look back at the noise the huns createdto try stop Celtic winning the league and how they crawled back under their rock. They have nothing and their fans are delusional if they think change is happening.

[Springbank]

The part I've enjoyed the most has been the irony (maybe schadenfreude is a better term)

The 2 clubs with the most to lose (RFC & Hmfc) are the two who couldn't afford to do anything (as needed prize money to stay afloat) as a direct consequence of their own overspending

[Dibben]

He doesn’t seem to cover the topic of what happens if Hearts lose any court case???

[green day]

Whens the documentary out again?

[blackpoolhibs]

I really don’t get this logic.

How does a good team outwith the Old Firm have not chance to drop points just because they play others ?

Playing the Old Firm x 8 a season can sometimes mean 24 points lost to them !!

We will NEVER have another Old Firm league winner till the league structure is changed to x2 a season.

History shows this and the sooner it’s changed the better for fans, players who open say they are bored playing same team x4 a season in league and possibly more in cup (replays also).


:agree: And i'd go back to 2 points for a win too, and throw in a salary cap and we'd have a much tighter league.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

There is no way Ms Budge is going to court. And even if she did it wouldn’t get past the first hurdle. The fallout for Hearts from trying to take the other 41 clubs to court if unthinkable for them.

It’s all bluster and safe saving.

Exactly

And how quickly do they think this would get to a hearing/trial

So Scottish football would just go on hold until there is a verdict?!

No chance

They can protest all they want, even better they can withdraw from the league system if they feel it’s so unfair

They’ve made a mockery of the game and I hope they’re punished for it accordingly

[Keith_M]

:agree: And i'd go back to 2 points for a win too, and throw in a salary cap and we'd have a much tighter league.


Plus old school thick cotton football shirts, overweight referees dressed all in black, heavyweight brown footballs that double in weight when it's wet..... oh and jumpers for goal posts.



:greengrin

[Aldo]

Exactly

And how quickly do they think this would get to a hearing/trial

So Scottish football would just go on hold until there is a verdict?!

No chance

They can protest all they want, even better they can withdraw from the league system if they feel it’s so unfair

They’ve made a mockery of the game and I hope they’re punished for it accordingly

But Stu, that’s what their fans want. To bring the game to a halt and watch teams go pop! That’s the sort of fans they are.

Horrible club imho and the sooner this is put to bed get better.

O and I for one don’t think they will receive any punishment for their actions.


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[brog]

Kickback has all the answers


Maiden Gorgie Maiden Gorgie

Posted 32 minutes ago
45 minutes ago, The Gasman said:

All that Doncaster needs to do is personally phone each Club Chairman in turn, and lay it out for them in simple terms.



The SPFL has zero funds



The SPFL’s legal costs (£500,000) will need to be met by the Member Clubs each paying an equal share, regardless of their league or their income.



If they lose, Hearts legal costs (£500,000) will need to be met by the Member Clubs each paying an equal share, regardless of their league or their income.



If they lose Hearts damages (£4,000,000?) will need to be met by Member Clubs each paying an equal share, regardless of their league or their income.



Their individual share would be almost £150,000.



Would they please make their cheque payable to “SPFL Fighting Fund”, and send to Hampden to arrive no later than Tuesday 30th of June.



Oh, and a little reminder, any Club failing to pay their share, or failing to be able to fulfill their fixtures after paying their share, will find themselves expelled from the SPFL in line with the current rules.



I’m guessing that with zero income just now, and possibly zero income till some time next year, every single Chairman outside the Premiership (and a few in the Premiership) will know that bill will kill off their Club out from under them.



They’ll lose their Blazer, they’ll lose the chance to sit on working parties and committees, and they’ll always be remembered as the one in charge when their local Club died. Remembered as the one who’s decisions led to their Club’s death.



They’ll **** themselves.



They’ll agree to back what ever proposal Doncaster puts in front of them. They may not like it, but they’ll go along with it.



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That is superb. He's worked out legal costs for both parties, delivered a verdict, finding SPFL guilty of course & determined an amount for damages. All this while being a roaster on Brokeback! Genius!

[Bostonhibby]

That is superb. He's worked out legal costs for both parties, delivered a verdict, finding SPFL guilty of course & determined an amount for damages. All this while being a roaster on Brokeback! Genius!And all without the SPFL going into administration to avoid paying the damages as the member body doesn't have the money the clubs have.

You'd think the flumps would know their way around administration and it's effects by now....

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[cabbageandribs1875]

They’ve made a mockery of the game and I hope they’re punished for it accordingly

so have sevco,as has scot gardiner and that utter F*D of a man tom freakin english

well done the BBC giving them the platform to do so

[mal]

We will NEVER have another Old Firm league winner till the league structure is changed to x2 a season.

History shows this and the sooner it’s changed the better for fans, players who open say they are bored playing same team x4 a season in league and possibly more in cup (replays also).

That's simply not true. Actual history shows '83, '84 and '85 (almost '86!) had non-OF champions, all with a top division of 10 teams playing each other 4 times. What has happened since then of course is Bosman and financial doping, both of which have had a much more significant impact on the OF domination than the size of the league.

If we increased the league to 18-20 teams now there would be less interest from television, meaning less money. The loss of big games/tv coverage would mean reduced interest from sponsors, meaning less money. Replacing games v the big teams with games v Ayr, Morton, QoS etc would mean reduced gates, meaning less money. A larger league would mean more meaningless games meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning smaller crowds, meaning less money. Less money coming in to the clubs means less money to spend on players meaning that instead of competing with English League One clubs we're probably looking at non-league standard. Poorer quality players would probably mean a poorer standard of football meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning further reduced crowds, meaning less money. And so on, in a vicious circle. And the likelihood is that it would further cement OF dominance in any case since if anyone's gates are likely to remain high, irrespective of which teams they are playing, it's theirs.

[gaz1875]

That's simply not true. Actual history shows '83, '84 and '85 (almost '86!) had non-OF champions, all with a top division of 10 teams playing each other 4 times. What has happened since then of course is Bosman and financial doping, both of which have had a much more significant impact on the OF domination than the size of the league.

If we increased the league to 18-20 teams now there would be less interest from television, meaning less money. The loss of big games/tv coverage would mean reduced interest from sponsors, meaning less money. Replacing games v the big teams with games v Ayr, Morton, QoS etc would mean reduced gates, meaning less money. A larger league would mean more meaningless games meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning smaller crowds, meaning less money. Less money coming in to the clubs means less money to spend on players meaning that instead of competing with English League One clubs we're probably looking at non-league standard. Poorer quality players would probably mean a poorer standard of football meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning further reduced crowds, meaning less money. And so on, in a vicious circle. And the likelihood is that it would further cement OF dominance in any case since if anyone's gates are likely to remain high, irrespective of which teams they are playing, it's theirs.

Well said!!! Why anyone wants to change the current top 12 with split isn't taking into account what you are saying. I think others have noted why not make the lower leagues 12 teams also, and match the top league. It would make these leagues more exciting as well.

[bigwheel]

That's simply not true. Actual history shows '83, '84 and '85 (almost '86!) had non-OF champions, all with a top division of 10 teams playing each other 4 times. What has happened since then of course is Bosman and financial doping, both of which have had a much more significant impact on the OF domination than the size of the league.

If we increased the league to 18-20 teams now there would be less interest from television, meaning less money. The loss of big games/tv coverage would mean reduced interest from sponsors, meaning less money. Replacing games v the big teams with games v Ayr, Morton, QoS etc would mean reduced gates, meaning less money. A larger league would mean more meaningless games meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning smaller crowds, meaning less money. Less money coming in to the clubs means less money to spend on players meaning that instead of competing with English League One clubs we're probably looking at non-league standard. Poorer quality players would probably mean a poorer standard of football meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning further reduced crowds, meaning less money. And so on, in a vicious circle. And the likelihood is that it would further cement OF dominance in any case since if anyone's gates are likely to remain high, irrespective of which teams they are playing, it's theirs.

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[CapitalGreen]

Well said!!! Why anyone wants to change the current top 12 with split isn't taking into account what you are saying. I think others have noted why not make the lower leagues 12 teams also, and match the top league. It would make these leagues more exciting as well.

12-12-10x2 would be my preference with a regionalised League 1 set up for North and South each consisting of 10 teams.

[greenpaper55]

That's simply not true. Actual history shows '83, '84 and '85 (almost '86!) had non-OF champions, all with a top division of 10 teams playing each other 4 times. What has happened since then of course is Bosman and financial doping, both of which have had a much more significant impact on the OF domination than the size of the league.

If we increased the league to 18-20 teams now there would be less interest from television, meaning less money. The loss of big games/tv coverage would mean reduced interest from sponsors, meaning less money. Replacing games v the big teams with games v Ayr, Morton, QoS etc would mean reduced gates, meaning less money. A larger league would mean more meaningless games meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning smaller crowds, meaning less money. Less money coming in to the clubs means less money to spend on players meaning that instead of competing with English League One clubs we're probably looking at non-league standard. Poorer quality players would probably mean a poorer standard of football meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning further reduced crowds, meaning less money. And so on, in a vicious circle. And the likelihood is that it would further cement OF dominance in any case since if anyone's gates are likely to remain high, irrespective of which teams they are playing, it's theirs.

You forgot that most fans now go to games via a season ticket, by the big teams i take it you mean Motherwell, Hamilton Livi etc ? Why not look at it that you could have Dunfermline, Dundee, Inverness, Falkirk Hearts and Partick in the league, all of them with a better support than Livi or Hamilton ! I repeat what i always say that there are NO easy games when you are playing at this level and no they are not meaningless if you are a Hibs supporter. Why not look at it as a chance to make our league better by bringing these clubs up to our standard therefore increasing interest , increasing revenue , increasing the tv interest and increasing the type of player you can bring in?

[Skol]

I think an SPFL of ten is better than the current 12 with a split and only playing some teams three times and the home/away imbalance.

[Billy Whizz]

I think an SPFL of ten is better than the current 12 with a split and only playing some teams three times and the home/away imbalance.

I get your point, but the introduction of play offs, has enhanced the Scottish game, apart from our exit

[greenlex]

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That's simply not true. Actual history shows '83, '84 and '85 (almost '86!) had non-OF champions, all with a top division of 10 teams playing each other 4 times. What has happened since then of course is Bosman and financial doping, both of which have had a much more significant impact on the OF domination than the size of the league.

The squads and players from the old system before the ten in the league and as you say Bosman and the old firm outspending everyone. Perhaps we should be dropping to ten again if that’s a factor. Drop the split and relegate the bottom three next season and promote one.

If we increased the league to 18-20 teams now there would be less interest from television, meaning less money. The loss of big games/tv coverage would mean reduced interest from sponsors, meaning less money.

Would tv walk away for the want of two old firm games? Edinburgh Derby. Dundee Derby? Would it be a bad thing if they did? The old firm get the lions share in any case.


Replacing games v the big teams with games v Ayr, Morton, QoS etc would mean reduced gates, meaning less money. A larger league would mean more meaningless games meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning smaller crowds, meaning less money.

No such thing as meaningless games from a youngster development point of view. I’d rather see a John McGinn or a Derek Riordan than some second rate overpaid foreigner.
Less money coming in to the clubs means less money to spend on players meaning that instead of competing with English League One clubs we're probably looking at non-league standard. Poorer quality players would probably mean a poorer standard of football meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning further reduced crowds, meaning less money. Ivan sproule. Des Bremner were from the lower leagues.
And so on, in a vicious circle. There’s an unbreakable circle right now.
And the likelihood is that it would further cement OF dominance in any case since if anyone's gates are likely to remain high, irrespective of which teams they are playing, it's theirs

I think you underestimate how many fans would turn up if a team is winning more times than not. Especially if they are up there challenging.. .

[Ronniekirk]

Whens the documentary out again?

Run out of money Maybe we should crowd fund to let them finish it as long as we can have a say on the ending


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[GreenCastle]

That's simply not true. Actual history shows '83, '84 and '85 (almost '86!) had non-OF champions, all with a top division of 10 teams playing each other 4 times. What has happened since then of course is Bosman and financial doping, both of which have had a much more significant impact on the OF domination than the size of the league.

If we increased the league to 18-20 teams now there would be less interest from television, meaning less money. The loss of big games/tv coverage would mean reduced interest from sponsors, meaning less money. Replacing games v the big teams with games v Ayr, Morton, QoS etc would mean reduced gates, meaning less money. A larger league would mean more meaningless games meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning smaller crowds, meaning less money. Less money coming in to the clubs means less money to spend on players meaning that instead of competing with English League One clubs we're probably looking at non-league standard. Poorer quality players would probably mean a poorer standard of football meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning further reduced crowds, meaning less money. And so on, in a vicious circle. And the likelihood is that it would further cement OF dominance in any case since if anyone's gates are likely to remain high, irrespective of which teams they are playing, it's theirs.

So you have listed 4 seasons in the last 35 ?

That’s a minority and the fact we have to go back to nearly 86...to use it as an example shows the change.

Do you or anyone on this board think there will be another non Old Firm champion in the next 50 years ? I would be pretty confident to say the Old Firm will continue to dominate.

As other posters have said other teams in Scotland would bring more to the league with fan bases than a few of the current teams. A better product and other derbies would bring more sponsors in etc.

From a Hibs point of view a 12 is better than larger league split but you would hope longer term a deal could be agreed to benefit all the 16 / 18 clubs. I’m not for quick reconstruction - but a well thought out plan for the whole of Scotland from grass roots to national level.

[Sammy7nil]

The 2 clubs with the most to lose (RFC & Hmfc) are the two who couldn't afford to do anything (as needed prize money to stay afloat) as a direct consequence of their own overspending[/QUOTE]

Hearts have a benefactor willing to bank roll them for five years they have no cash flow problems.


That's simply not true. Actual history shows '83, '84 and '85 (almost '86!) had non-OF champions, all with a top division of 10 teams playing each other 4 times. What has happened since then of course is Bosman and financial doping, both of which have had a much more significant impact on the OF domination than the size of the league.

If we increased the league to 18-20 teams now there would be less interest from television, meaning less money. The loss of big games/tv coverage would mean reduced interest from sponsors, meaning less money. Replacing games v the big teams with games v Ayr, Morton, QoS etc would mean reduced gates, meaning less money. A larger league would mean more meaningless games meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning smaller crowds, meaning less money. Less money coming in to the clubs means less money to spend on players meaning that instead of competing with English League One clubs we're probably looking at non-league standard. Poorer quality players would probably mean a poorer standard of football meaning reduced interest from supporters meaning further reduced crowds, meaning less money. And so on, in a vicious circle. And the likelihood is that it would further cement OF dominance in any case since if anyone's gates are likely to remain high, irrespective of which teams they are playing, it's theirs.

I think claiming league wins nearly forty years ago when the funding has changed dramatically since is hardly a sign any team is capable of breaking the old firm dominance and is laughable. No team out with the uglies will win the league again until there is drastic radical change and that ain't going to happen soon. Even playing each team only twice season I think it would still be very hard to win the league but you would have punchers chance.

I think the the 12 team set here in Scotland delivers an interesting if uncompetitive format and is probably the best we can get until there is a more level cash share which won't ever happen. All across Europe one or two teams are dominating their leagues it is exactly what the money men want.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The days when Hibs, Aberdeen or others could realistically push the Glasgow 2 are long gone & will stay that way.

They uglies have always been dominant. However they became ubber dominant when the 3pts for a win was intrduced.

[Billy Whizz]

They uglies have always been dominant. However they became ubber dominant when the 3pts for a win was intrduced.

When did keeping your home gate receipts, start

[scoopyboy]

When did keeping your home gate receipts, start

About 1976 I think Billy

[chippy]

So you have listed 4 seasons in the last 35 ?

That’s a minority and the fact we have to go back to nearly 86...to use it as an example shows the change.

Do you or anyone on this board think there will be another non Old Firm champion in the next 50 years ? I would be pretty confident to say the Old Firm will continue to dominate.

As other posters have said other teams in Scotland would bring more to the league with fan bases than a few of the current teams. A better product and other derbies would bring more sponsors in etc.

From a Hibs point of view a 12 is better than larger league split but you would hope longer term a deal could be agreed to benefit all the 16 / 18 clubs. I’m not for quick reconstruction - but a well thought out plan for the whole of Scotland from grass roots to national level.

Good points. There was a 5th league win for Dons in 1979-80 but your point is strong. Interestingly the Aberdeen team included 12 players brought through in the old 2 division structure. Willie Miller 1971(16), Gordon Strachan 1974(17), Mark McGhee 1975 (18), Doug Rougvie 1974(18) we’re in this winning team and the 1983-84 team. Other names in the 79-80 team include Joe Harper 1963(15) , Steve Archibald 1974(18)
The Dundee United league winning squad of 82-83 included 5 key players who started in the old structure. Davy Narey (16) 1973, Paul Hegarty 1972(18), John Holt 1974(17), Paul Sturrock 1974(17). OK who knows if all of these cracking players would have broken into their teams in the 10 club league , but how many players make their debuts at the ages in brackets these days?

[mal]

I think claiming league wins nearly forty years ago when the funding has changed dramatically since is hardly a sign any team is capable of breaking the old firm dominance and is laughable. No team out with the uglies will win the league again until there is drastic radical change and that ain't going to happen soon. Even playing each team only twice season I think it would still be very hard to win the league but you would have punchers chance.

I think the the 12 team set here in Scotland delivers an interesting if uncompetitive format and is probably the best we can get until there is a more level cash share which won't ever happen. All across Europe one or two teams are dominating their leagues it is exactly what the money men want.

That's not what I was doing though, was it? Indeed it takes a huge stretch of the imagination to claim that I was.

If it helps to put things into proper historical perspective, when we had an 18-team league playing each other twice the last 10 of those were won by the OF as well (Celtic 9, Rangers 1). League size is a complete red herring when it comes to tackling the dominance of the OF.

[ancient hibee]

When did keeping your home gate receipts, start

Mid 70s.Tom Hart lead the way.

[truehibernian]

Thought Jim McInally made a great point today on Sportsound in relation to youth players and bemoaning the fact that many youngsters in Academies are merely 'shirt fillers' to allow players like McGeady and Maloney to play and develop.

For me, the whole scouting and youth talent spotting system needs addressed and we need to really focus work and energy on young players who all have the ability to make it in top level football. There still exists a great deal of nepotism and 'he's the son of' in the youth game - back in my day it existed which was to the detriment of the (youth) game, as players with Hutchison Vale (my team), Salveson, and Tynecastle BC were the only teams scouts looked at and selected from (S forms). So many good players in other sides didn't get a look in, and even the better players in my team didn't get a chance because others had a better 'family CV'.

Of course there are late developers and stand out examples (Robertson) who work hard and make it. But there needs to be a better scouting system in place to ensure we recruit much better youth into our academy and not this ethos that 'if we produce one or two for the top team we have succeeded'. Rips my knitting when I hear coaches come out with that. We should have 6 or 7 youth players (from the development squad) good enough to step in when there are injuries, suspensions, etc.

[James Stephen]

They uglies have always been dominant. However they became ubber dominant when the 3pts for a win was intrduced.

Im not sure this is actually true. I think for most of the first half of 20th century the old firm utterly dominated the league.

The post war period, and the 80s were very much historical blips - and even in the 80s, i think only 4 titles left glasgow - 3 to aberdeen and 1 to utd (with 1 almost coming to edinburgh).

[CapitalGreen]

Good points. There was a 5th league win for Dons in 1979-80 but your point is strong. Interestingly the Aberdeen team included 12 players brought through in the old 2 division structure. Willie Miller 1971(16), Gordon Strachan 1974(17), Mark McGhee 1975 (18), Doug Rougvie 1974(18) we’re in this winning team and the 1983-84 team. Other names in the 79-80 team include Joe Harper 1963(15) , Steve Archibald 1974(18)
The Dundee United league winning squad of 82-83 included 5 key players who started in the old structure. Davy Narey (16) 1973, Paul Hegarty 1972(18), John Holt 1974(17), Paul Sturrock 1974(17). OK who knows if all of these cracking players would have broken into their teams in the 10 club league , but how many players make their debuts at the ages in brackets these days?

The best young Scottish players are poached wholesale and hoarded by the Old Firm from a young age. If you want to ensure the best young players get more game time you need to fix that as the Old Firm are not going to stop buying up all the best youth just because we only start playing them twice.

The best youth players who remain out with the grasp of the Old Firm or who have left the old firm do not have difficulty getting game time. In your opinion, which young Scottish players out with the Old Firm are currently not getting sufficient game time?

[James Stephen]

Good points. There was a 5th league win for Dons in 1979-80 but your point is strong. Interestingly the Aberdeen team included 12 players brought through in the old 2 division structure. Willie Miller 1971(16), Gordon Strachan 1974(17), Mark McGhee 1975 (18), Doug Rougvie 1974(18) we’re in this winning team and the 1983-84 team. Other names in the 79-80 team include Joe Harper 1963(15) , Steve Archibald 1974(18)
The Dundee United league winning squad of 82-83 included 5 key players who started in the old structure. Davy Narey (16) 1973, Paul Hegarty 1972(18), John Holt 1974(17), Paul Sturrock 1974(17). OK who knows if all of these cracking players would have broken into their teams in the 10 club league , but how many players make their debuts at the ages in brackets these days?

79 / 80 was Aberdeen's 2nd league win i think, not 5th (they have only won 4, same as us and hearts)

[truehibernian]

The best young Scottish players are poached wholesale and hoarded by the Old Firm from a young age. If you want to ensure the best young players get more game time you need to fix that as the Old Firm are not going to stop buying up all the best youth just because we only start playing them twice.

The best youth players who remain out with the grasp of the Old Firm or who have left the old firm do not have difficulty getting game time. In your opinion, which young Scottish players out with the Old Firm are currently not getting sufficient game time?

True to a certain extent but often the young player, through naivety, is lured by the cash and other incentives that they offer. Take Zak Rudden for example - cracking lad, great talent, but even when I saw him he was never going to be a The Rangers player - not because I didn't think he could make it, more to do with their signing policy at top team level and their lack of real development in a young Scottish player. Zak got a good contract, a flat in the city centre of Glasgow, and his eyes widened by 'dreams'.

For me, in his case, and as a Hibs fan, we should have offered him something and the very real incentive of first team football if he worked hard and developed. His agent should have also applied some realism to his career - agents, for me, are the real menace of the game here.

A young footballer should be looking at longevity, not a quick financial gain - the route map to success is hard work, realism, and desire. When you offer kids 000's in cash, the work ethic drops and many fall out the game or into the lower leagues once they realise they can't match their talent with hard work.

[mal]

So you have listed 4 seasons in the last 35 ?

That’s a minority and the fact we have to go back to nearly 86...to use it as an example shows the change.

Do you or anyone on this board think there will be another non Old Firm champion in the next 50 years ? I would be pretty confident to say the Old Firm will continue to dominate.

As other posters have said other teams in Scotland would bring more to the league with fan bases than a few of the current teams. A better product and other derbies would bring more sponsors in etc.

From a Hibs point of view a 12 is better than larger league split but you would hope longer term a deal could be agreed to benefit all the 16 / 18 clubs. I’m not for quick reconstruction - but a well thought out plan for the whole of Scotland from grass roots to national level.

You said: "We will NEVER have another Old Firm league winner till the league structure is changed to x2 a season.

History shows this ..."

I pointed out that history does not show this at all. The last time a non-OF team won the league under the structure you are favouring was in 1965. If you're objecting to examples from nearly two decades after that then I think we should rule out what happened when "Ticket to Ride" was top of the charts. (Even if the manner of Kilmarnock's triumph that season was even more hilarious than Dens '86).

For what it's worth, I don't see Celtic's dominance of Scottish football changing anytime soon, let alone the OF's as a pair. It would take one of the other clubs to have an extraordinary season with the sudden and simultaneous emergence of a crop of youngsters better than the Golden Generation backed up with a core of quality, experienced players; you'd need to be extremely fortunate to avoid injuries to key players; and you'd need Celtic (and possibly Sevco) to underperform. And even if such a thing was to happen Bosman means that you wouldn't be able to hold the team together for more than a season or two.

Increasing the number of teams, changing the league structure, changing the number of points on offer, or whatever other tinkering we might propose isn't going to change that, unless both of the OF were to be significantly mismanaged for a period of time.

[CapitalGreen]

True to a certain extent but often the young player, through naivety, is lured by the cash and other incentives that they offer. Take Zak Rudden for example - cracking lad, great talent, but even when I saw him he was never going to be a The Rangers player - not because I didn't think he could make it, more to do with their signing policy at top team level and their lack of real development in a young Scottish player. Zak got a good contract, a flat in the city centre of Glasgow, and his eyes widened by 'dreams'.

For me, in his case, and as a Hibs fan, we should have offered him something and the very real incentive of first team football if he worked hard and developed. His agent should have also applied some realism to his career - agents, for me, are the real menace of the game here.

A young footballer should be looking at longevity, not a quick financial gain - the route map to success is hard work, realism, and desire. When you offer kids 000's in cash, the work ethic drops and many fall out the game or into the lower leagues once they realise they can't match their talent with hard work.

I don’t disagree with what you say but my post was in response to suggestion that a bigger league would see the best players get more game time. Whether the league is 12 teams or 16/18 isn’t going to stop a naive young player being lured to the OF by cash or other incentives.

[ancient hibee]

Im not sure this is actually true. I think for most of the first half of 20th century the old firm utterly dominated the league.

The post war period, and the 80s were very much historical blips - and even in the 80s, i think only 4 titles left glasgow - 3 to aberdeen and 1 to utd (with 1 almost coming to edinburgh).

I think our perceptions are often different to the true situation.When Celtic won the league in 1965/66 it was only the 10th time they'd won it in 50 years which even given a couple of world wars shows that they weren't the dominant force they became and the reason they became so dominant was down to one man,Jock Stein.

[truehibernian]

I don’t disagree with what you say but my post was in response to suggestion that a bigger league would see the best players get more game time. Whether the league is 12 teams or 16/18 isn’t going to stop a naive young player being lured to the OF by cash or other incentives.

I totally agree CG :aok: it doesn't matter if there are 8, 10, 16 or 20 teams in a top league in Scotland. Young players need better advice, guidance, and less agent influence. Clubs also need to be far smarter (and have a wider reach) in recruiting genuine talent and not players who quite simply are not very good, certainly not good enough to challenge for a top team place - Hibs have a fair few who I'd rate in the latter bracket and that is most disappointing when you see the array of good young youth talent in this city alone.

Take two players who I played alongside and against - Lee Bullen and Sandy Robertson - Lee was a good young player, hard working, but with a fantastic attitude, family and grounded nature (for a Jambo :greengrin) - Sandy was arrogant, got selected for Rangers because of family, and for me, wasn't that good a player, but playing in a very good Salveson side. Who went on to a great career ? Lee had to go to Hong Kong, Stenhousemuir, Whitburn........then made it with Sheffield Wednesday and Dunfermline and Falkirk - and a nicer, more humble guy you won't meet - still in the game too. Not a world beater but made a terrific living from the game and had some highs he'll never forget.

Where is Sandy (where was he even when he played for Rangers) ?

[greenpaper55]

I think our perceptions are often different to the true situation.When Celtic won the league in 1965/66 it was only the 10th time they'd won it in 50 years which even given a couple of world wars shows that they weren't the dominant force they became and the reason they became so dominant was down to one man,Jock Stein.

Spot on

[Eyrie]

It doesn't matter how far back you go, the league title has always been dominated by the Ugly Sisters.

Huns RIP had 54* and Celtc are on 51.

Then you have us (02/03, 47/48, 50/51, 51/52), Aberdeen (54/55, 79/80, 83/84, 84/85) and Hearts (1894/95, 1896/97, 57/58, 59/60) on four, Dumbarton with two (1890/91*, 1891/92) and one each for Third Lanark (03/04), Motherwell (31/32), Dundee (61/62), Kilmarnock (64/65) and Dundee United (82/83).

Think on it.

123 seasons and the Ugly Sisters have won the league in 105 of those. 1890/91 was shared by Huns RIP and Dumbarton.

So short of introducing a playoff such as the NFL or rugby uses, any league structure will see the big money Ugly Sisters dominating. Anything else is wishful thinking.

[James Stephen]

I think our perceptions are often different to the true situation.When Celtic won the league in 1965/66 it was only the 10th time they'd won it in 50 years which even given a couple of world wars shows that they weren't the dominant force they became and the reason they became so dominant was down to one man,Jock Stein.

I may be wrong, but i think only Hibs, Third Lanark and Motherwell won the league outside of the old firm in all of the years between 1900 and ww2 - and it was only once each

Celtic admittedly had a very fallow period post war, and obviously the ww2 shut down lasted 5 or 6 years, but those two clubs had an almost total duopoly on the league for the first half of the 20th century.

I do take your point that it was more rangers than celtic.

[Col2]

Kickback has either moved into a really bad bad place or one or two of them have some inside info.

They all seem certain good news for them is coming. The view is a 14 team top tier will be forced through by SPFL board on Wednesday after all views in from
clubs on Budge v27 paper/proposal.

They also think Doncaster will drive this given the horrendous legal risk the SPFL have with AB legal proceedings.

Sounds like absolutely desperation. IF the SPFL board forced anything through like this then the fallout would be huge. Given the last vote and the Dundee debacle I am not convinced the board will fancy doing that!

[04Sauzee]

Kickback has either moved into a really bad bad place or one or two of them have some inside info.

They all seem certain good news for them is coming. The view is a 14 team top tier will be forced through by SPFL board on Wednesday after all views in from
clubs on Budge v27 paper/proposal.

They also think Doncaster will drive this given the horrendous legal risk the SPFL have with AB legal proceedings.

Sounds like absolutely desperation. IF the SPFL board forced anything through like this then the fallout would be huge. Given the last vote and the Dundee debacle I am not convinced the board will fancy doing that!

Every Jambo on twitter reckons that Wednesday is the day, all expecting big news that it's a 14 team top league and they will be back in the top flight

[Jdawg]

Kickback has either moved into a really bad bad place or one or two of them have some inside info.

They all seem certain good news for them is coming. The view is a 14 team top tier will be forced through by SPFL board on Wednesday after all views in from
clubs on Budge v27 paper/proposal.

They also think Doncaster will drive this given the horrendous legal risk the SPFL have with AB legal proceedings.

Sounds like absolutely desperation. IF the SPFL board forced anything through like this then the fallout would be huge. Given the last vote and the Dundee debacle I am not convinced the board will fancy doing that!

The vast majority of clubs of clubs are opposed to reconstruction. Surely the SPFL cannot make an executive decision and push it through. Uproar if this happens.

[Peevemor]

Utter nonsense.

The SPFL board could have ended/"called" the season off their own bat but preferred to put it to a vote of member clubs to remain as transparent as possible.

Now they're going to force league reconstruction on clubs who have already spoken out against?

I don't think so!

[Since452]

The vast majority of clubs of clubs are opposed to reconstruction. Surely the SPFL cannot make an executive decision and push it through. Uproar if this happens.

Was just about to post the same. Twice now clubs have been asked and said no. They can't ignore that.

[JohnM1875]

Utter nonsense.

The SPFL board could have ended/"called" the season off their own bat but preferred to put it to a vote of member clubs to remain as transparent as possible.

Now they're going to force league reconstruction on clubs who have already spoken out against?

I don't think so!

Totally. It's just not going to happen like that.

[green day]

Every Jambo on twitter reckons that Wednesday is the day, all expecting big news that it's a 14 team top league and they will be back in the top flight
is a complete spangle

[The 90+2]

The spfl board can’t change jack **** without it passing a vote through the clubs.

[chippy]

79 / 80 was Aberdeen's 2nd league win i think, not 5th (they have only won 4, same as us and hearts)
I know but I was responding to another poster about titles won by Arabs and Dons in 1980s- I should have said 4th though

[brog]

I may be wrong, but i think only Hibs, Third Lanark and Motherwell won the league outside of the old firm in all of the years between 1900 and ww2 - and it was only once each

Celtic admittedly had a very fallow period post war, and obviously the ww2 shut down lasted 5 or 6 years, but those two clubs had an almost total duopoly on the league for the first half of the 20th century.

I do take your point that it was more rangers than celtic.

You & Eyrie are 100% correct. There has only been one reasonable period when the dominance of the OF was challenged & that was in the 20 years after WW2 when Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee & Killie all won the league a total of 8 times. That was down to the huge crowds enjoyed by every club, certainly in the earlier post war period, negating the OF advantage. In the other 100 years between 1900 & 2020 only 5 other teams won the league a total of 7 times & that includes the 4 New Firm titles in the 80's. It's very difficult to imagine any other team challenging the uglies in the foreseeable future but it's a myth that this is something new.

[ballengeich]

There is one minor flaw in that plan. The SPFL is a limited company so if it has no funds it would have no alternative but to go into administration and since it has few assets it would probably be liquidated and HoMFC would get hee-haw compensation.

I get that Hearts or any other claimant against the SPFL can't come after the clubs who are individual shareholders in a limited company. However, if HoMFC or any other body won a legal case for compensation from the SPFL would it not be able to secure the money due by making a claim against future income?

In this case, if Hearts did win a legal victory could they demand that any money due be paid to them when future tv income arrived at the SPFL, even if there were no funds available at the date of their court win?

[Onion]

Why has there been no leak or inside info from Friday's vote ? Very odd that no one appears to have the inside info on the outcome, or even one of two clubs have broken rank on how they voted.

[Heisenberg]

If the SPFL board were that **** scared of AB and her legal threats they would’ve done it by now. As pointed out by others, if this sort of rule existed it’s certainly not been picked up by anyone else apart from Budge vaguely talking about it but not being entirely sure if it existed as she hadn’t read the rules.

[Iggy Pope]

Why has there been no leak or inside info from Friday's vote ? Very odd that no one appears to have the inside info on the outcome, or even one of two clubs have broken rank on how they voted.

There was no vote on Friday man.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I get that Hearts or any other claimant against the SPFL can't come after the clubs who are individual shareholders in a limited company. However, if HoMFC or any other body won a legal case for compensation from the SPFL would it not be able to secure the money due by making a claim against future income?

In this case, if Hearts did win a legal victory could they demand that any money due be paid to them when future tv income arrived at the SPFL, even if there were no funds available at the date of their court win?

Its up to the judge to award and the two parties to negociate a payment plan. If the SPFL declared itself insolvent Hurtz get nowt and the SFA take control of the league after having revoked Hurtz license for breaching rule 5.1(c)

[James Stephen]

Why has there been no leak or inside info from Friday's vote ? Very odd that no one appears to have the inside info on the outcome, or even one of two clubs have broken rank on how they voted.

That level of discipline among the clubs does suggest to me that there is a legal game now afoot that no club is going to jeopardise. In my experience legal proceedings (of the likelihood thereof) tend to exert huge discipline on organisations and individuals.

What that means re reconstruction, i have no idea.

[Iggy Pope]

Its up to the judge to award and the two parties to negociate a payment plan. If the SPFL declared itself insolvent Hurtz get nowt and the SFA take control of the league after having revoked Hurtz license for breaching rule 5.1(c)

I keep reading about this rule and breach. Wouldn’t they be in breach the minute legal action commenced rather than after the event?
Wonder if those Belgians had a rule 5.1 of their own.

[bingo70]

There was no vote on Friday man.

There was a pretty significant discussion though.

I don’t understand why clubs are being so secretive towards their fans.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the club to tell the fans what our thoughts are on league reconstruction.

Worries me that clubs are saying so little to their fans, suspect something is brewing that we’re not going to like.

[Rumble de Thump]

Hearts don't have a legal case. It's as simple as that. No laws have been broken. No rules have been broken. They haven't been wronged in any way. They only have themselves to blame but they want to blame everyone else and they want everyone else to save them.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I keep reading about this rule and breach. Wouldn’t they be in breach the minute legal action commenced rather than after the event?
Wonder if those Belgians had a rule 5.1 of their own.

All Fifa and UEFA national associations have the equivalent. It is one of the requirements for membership...and the answer is yes. I have posted a link to the UeFA document here before on more than one occasion.

Article 7...its on the UEFA administration site.

[Iggy Pope]

There was a pretty significant discussion though.

I don’t understand why clubs are being so secretive towards their fans.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the club to tell the fans what our thoughts are on league reconstruction.

Worries me that clubs are saying so little to their fans, suspect something is brewing that we’re not going to like.

I’m not sure there’s much for clubs to comment on. Budge and her latest ramblings appear to be dead before the chat. The Hun stuff came out pretty late on Friday night (via the BBC I think and not the Hun?) and a couple have taken time to kybosh it, including Ross County. If there had been something to vote on I could see the need for the media. But there wasn’t. Perhaps clubs look at the frenzy on their own fans forums and think, “**** that, we’ll keep shtoom for a bit”.

[Wakeyhibee]

You forgot that most fans now go to games via a season ticket, by the big teams i take it you mean Motherwell, Hamilton Livi etc ? Why not look at it that you could have Dunfermline, Dundee, Inverness, Falkirk Hearts and Partick in the league, all of them with a better support than Livi or Hamilton ! I repeat what i always say that there are NO easy games when you are playing at this level and no they are not meaningless if you are a Hibs supporter. Why not look at it as a chance to make our league better by bringing these clubs up to our standard therefore increasing interest , increasing revenue , increasing the tv interest and increasing the type of player you can bring in?

The problem is you have 2 dominant teams who have become even more dominant with the current set up. It's hard to sell a competition that isn't really a full competition or to up sell a product you've already undersold.

I agree partly with what you're saying but I think it's gone beyond that now. Certainly commercially at board level, there is no appetite for change as will mean taking a hit to see if it works long term.

[Waxy]

There hasn't really been a proper proposal put forward.Whats the point in voting when there's nothing to vote on?

[Stairway 2 7]

If the SPFL board were that **** scared of AB and her legal threats they would’ve done it by now. As pointed out by others, if this sort of rule existed it’s certainly not been picked up by anyone else apart from Budge vaguely talking about it but not being entirely sure if it existed as she hadn’t read the rules.

A lot of the jambos are certain that spfl board are going to push through reconstruction this week without a vote, hope this is done this week

[Waxy]

A lot of the jambos are certain that spfl board are going to push through reconstruction this week without a vote, hope this is done this week
The SPFL board cannot do that.They can only organise votes.
If they pushed through some reconstruction that teams dont want they themselves would be open to legal action.Also it would make the Dundeegate vote void as that's not what was voted for.

[Stairway 2 7]

The SPFL board cannot do that.They can only organise votes.
If they pushed through some reconstruction that teams dont want they themselves would be open to legal action.Also it would make the Dundeegate vote void as that's not what was voted for.

Logically I hope so but the yocals are adamant it's getting pushed through

[Sammy7nil]

That's not what I was doing though, was it? Indeed it takes a huge stretch of the imagination to claim that I was.

If it helps to put things into proper historical perspective, when we had an 18-team league playing each other twice the last 10 of those were won by the OF as well (Celtic 9, Rangers 1). League size is a complete red herring when it comes to tackling the dominance of the OF.

I agreed but playing them twice gives you a very outside chance playing four times you have no chance.

[GreenCastle]

I agreed but playing them twice gives you a very outside chance playing four times you have no chance.

Yup.

If you are a player or coach and you know you only have to visit Ibrox or Celtic Park once a season psychologically you know you don’t even have to win there and you could still have a very good season. CompRed to now when it’s pretty much 12 points down the drain. (4x away games to Old Firm).

As I’ve said above the Old Firm dominance will continue unless change happens and that means closing the gap between points wise in the table.

[Heisenberg]

Budge backing the hun plan. I am truly shocked at this revelation.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-throw-weight-behind-rangers-22153840

[marinello59]

Budge backing the hun plan. I am truly shocked at this revelation.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-throw-weight-behind-rangers-22153840

Surely even Hearts fans would draw the line at supporting Sevco’s plan. It makes no difference though, it won’t happen.

[The 90+2]

A lot of the jambos are certain that spfl board are going to push through reconstruction this week without a vote, hope this is done this week

They can’t push through anything without a vote. It’s illegal.

[inglisavhibs]

There was a pretty significant discussion though.

I don’t understand why clubs are being so secretive towards their fans.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the club to tell the fans what our thoughts are on league reconstruction.

Worries me that clubs are saying so little to their fans, suspect something is brewing that we’re not going to like.
I think the Budge plan is dead in the water. Clubs have been asked for their response to The Rangers plan by Tuesday. We should know by Tuesday night or Wednesday latest. They still need an 11-1 vote from clubs in SPL and 75% in other leagues.

[Eyrie]

I agreed but playing them twice gives you a very outside chance playing four times you have no chance.

If you're good enough to win the league then playing the Ugly Sisters four times isn't a problem. The evidence for that is Aberdeen and Dundee United.

If you're not good enough to win the league then playing the Ugly Sisters twice doesn't help. The evidence for that is the number of titles they won before 1975, when they weren't as far ahead of the rest of us financially as they are now.

[04Sauzee]

Budge backing the hun plan. I am truly shocked at this revelation.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-throw-weight-behind-rangers-22153840

Quelle Surprise

[FilipinoHibs]

According to Daily Record, Budge dropped her proposal and backing the Rangers one. Asking for it to go a vote.

[04Sauzee]

According to Daily Record, Budge dropped her proposal and backing the Rangers one. Asking for it to go a vote.

3 weeks spent on a proposal whilst multi-tasking 😂 3 weeks!! And now she's backing the Huns, she's some girl 😅

[Joe6-2]

Budge backing the hun plan. I am truly shocked at this revelation.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-throw-weight-behind-rangers-22153840

Bloody hell, the stench of desperation emanating from Budge is palpable!

[Joe6-2]

According to Daily Record, Budge dropped her proposal and backing the Rangers one. Asking for it to go a vote.

Who the F*** does she think she is?!!!

[Stairway 2 7]

Hopefully us Ross County game over on Wednesday

[04Sauzee]

Hopefully us Ross County game over on Wednesday

Still nothing in it for the likes of Hamilton, St Mirren, St Johnstone and even Dundee Utd?

[Numptie]

If it goes to a vote fo they not need to give 28 days for the results. The league will only be a couple of weeks away.

[Mon Dieu4]

If it goes to a vote fo they not need to give 28 days for the results. The league will only be a couple of weeks away.

Same thing happened with the last vote, the clubs had 28 days to respond but were asked to do it by 5pm on the Friday, they would no doubt do the same again

[GreenCastle]

Huns and wee huns cozying up to each other.

Shock.

File this proposal under more Scottish football nonsense.

[Jdawg]

Lower league clubs don’t seem keen. Budge will drop her scabby drawers to any proposal than places hearts back in the top division.

Ross County aren’t keen, assume hibs and st Mirren will follow suit. Dead in the water.

Not to mention that the whole financial incentive makes it a bribe.

[KeithTheHibby]

Hopefully us Ross County game over on Wednesday

Aberdeen also publicly said no. Reconstruction is deid, fact.

[007]

According to Daily Record, Budge dropped her proposal and backing the Rangers one. Asking for it to go a vote.

No surprise she's getting behind it if hers has been binned and there's no alternative. However, there is more to dislike about this proposal than hers, particularly for Premiership clubs so I can't see it getting enough votes.

There can't keep being proposals discussed and I'd guess this is the last one as time is running out. Time to move things on to the next stange and call Hearts' bluff.

[Waxy]

Its kind of the same thing what Budge wanted but with Rangers and Celtic colts. That would ruin the leagues.
Have Celtic even said anything about this?
Another non proposal.

[The Harp]

Yet another nonsensical plan. Thought up by the Huns and approved by celtic to the detriment of the rest of the clubs.
Unbelievable that it's even being considered.

[SMAXXA]

Aberdeen also publicly said no. Reconstruction is deid, fact.

I also think there is no way Motherwell will be interested in any reconstruction at the moment based on their reasons for dismissing the previous attempt, very much of the same song book as Hibs if I remember rightly.

[Real Emerald]

I don’t even think our pink chums are in favour of this, another dead duck.

[jacomo]

Its kind of the same thing what Budge wanted but with Rangers and Celtic colts. That would ruin the leagues.
Have Celtic even said anything about this?
Another non proposal.


Celtc are backing it. They are as shameless as Budge.

[HFC93]

It's deid. Desperate stuff really.

[Wakeyhibee]

If you're good enough to win the league then playing the Ugly Sisters four times isn't a problem. The evidence for that is Aberdeen and Dundee United.

If you're not good enough to win the league then playing the Ugly Sisters twice doesn't help. The evidence for that is the number of titles they won before 1975, when they weren't as far ahead of the rest of us financially as they are now.

The problem is no team is going to be good enough to win the league or it would have happened by now in this last 30 years. The financial gap sees to that. And if you do build a good a team you better win it first time of asking because you know your players will be lured away to the OF or down south.

Aberdeen and Dundee Utd did brilliantly and well deserved but that was against a backdrop of Rangers being crap for 6 years and low gates for both OF teams, neither broke 30k averages back then. That's not happening now and I don't think we'll see that again unless something drastic happens.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Bloody hell, the stench of desperation emanating from Budge is palpable!

This

[Springbank]

Budge backing the hun plan. I am truly shocked at this revelation.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-throw-weight-behind-rangers-22153840

But all the jambos said Budge's plan was getting pushed through on Wednesday by the SPFL board:confused:

[Dibben]

But all the jambos said Budge's plan was getting pushed through on Wednesday by the SPFL board:confused:

Yeah and THIS is now Budge’s plan... keep up!!

😂😂😂😂

[Keith_M]

Budge backing the hun plan. I am truly shocked at this revelation.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-throw-weight-behind-rangers-22153840


So Budge spends ages to come up with a proposal... then immediately switched to the The Rangers version.

Wouldn't it have been quicker for her just to have asked The Rangers first?

[Coco Bryce]

Even Hearts fans are sick of Budge now. Most I know have accepted they are down and have moved on.

[Since452]

Budge backing the hun plan. I am truly shocked at this revelation.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-throw-weight-behind-rangers-22153840

The same Ann Budge quoted as saying there are too many teams in the league set up? Complete desperation. Like watching a car crash.

[calumhibee1]

So every other premiership team would get the opportunity to put a colts team into the bottom tier in future - but they’d have to start in Highland/Lowland league - understandably of course.

So why are the OF to be parachuted into the bottom tier? Surely an extra highland and lowland league team should be and the OF colts can go into they leagues the same as everyone else will? And I’m sure Hibs would be more than happy to have a Colt team in the bottom tier - why is it the OF who automatically get to have it? :confused:

It’s quite incredible that the folk screaming self interest before are putting forward/backing these proposals which all conveniently benefit next to nobody but themselves.

At least Budge has given up claiming that she’s doing this for the good of Scottish football now to be fair. How laughable was that suggestion 😂

[Since452]

So every other premiership team would get the opportunity to put a colts team into the bottom tier in future - but they’d have to start in Highland/Lowland league - understandably of course.

So why are the OF to be parachuted into the bottom tier? Surely an extra highland and lowland league team should be and the OF colts can go into they leagues the same as everyone else will? :confused:

It’s quite incredible that the folk screaming self interest before are putting forward/backing these proposals which all conveniently benefit next to nobody but themselves.

The sheer arrogance is unbelievable. Even for Rangers. A club with no major honours to it's name wanting a B team parachuted into league 2 😂😂 incredible. The fact they've even proposed such a ludicrous idea is a slap in the face to every lower league club. Especially ones in the Highland/Lowland leagues. What happens if the B Huns finish bottom of League 2 which is a probability? Would they be spared a playoff because Rangers say so? There's more chance of Jennifer Aniston breaking social distancing rules to seduce me than this getting any more than Hearts desperate vote.

[duffers]

Aberdeen seem to go between voting for and against reconstruction, but surely they wouldn't be happy with Rangers and Celtic having colts teams in the leagues? Also, I'm assuming that the Rangers proposal is permanent and not the 2/5 years that hearts were trying for?

[Since452]

Aberdeen seem to go between voting for and against reconstruction, but surely they wouldn't be happy with Rangers and Celtic having colts teams in the leagues? Also, I'm assuming that the Rangers proposal is permanent and not the 2/5 years that hearts were trying for?

That Aberdeen owner just likes being in the limelight

[Springbank]

The sheer arrogance is unbelievable. Even for Rangers. A club with no major honours to it's name wanting a B team parachuted into league 2 😂😂 incredible. The fact they've even proposed such a ludicrous idea is a slap in the face to every lower league club. Especially ones in the Highland/Lowland leagues. What happens if the B Huns finish bottom of League 2 which is a probability? Would they be spared a playoff because Rangers say so? There's more chance of Jennifer Aniston breaking social distancing rules to seduce me than this getting any more than Hearts desperate vote.

The list of clubs in Scotland who have won major honours (Prem, Scottish Cup, League Cup) since 2012 is quite something. It includes almost everyone EXCEPT Rangers.

During this time Rangers have had bigger crowds & turnover than every one of these teams (except Celtic).

Cup winners in the 2012-2019 period include:

Hibs
St Mirren
Aberdeen
St Johnstone
Kilmarnock
Ross County
Celtic
Inverness Caley Thistle

It doesn't say much for Super Ally, Pedro, Stevie G, the magic hat, Murty, McDowell & McCall that a token Petrofac adorns the trophy cabinet there & I would suggest reconstruction won't achieve the same spread of trophies across Scottish football that we have seen in the 2012-19 period.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Once upon a time the idea of old firm B teams was around the chat of them leaving for England.
They would be lapping it up in the English Prem but we mere mortals would still be graced by their presence (as if that's all we ever long for).
I suspect that all the chat of 40 or 50 clubs down south going bust has got them dreaming again and they are attempting to put some building blocks in place.

[Bostonhibby]

So if the Record article is correct (I recognise the contradiction here) despite never having mentioned reconstruction before losing to St Mirren or being in favour of the ugly sisters imposing a colts team on the leagues, this is in fact what Budge supports.

I suppose it saves her ever actually delivering a finished recommendation herself if she coat tails sevco but this nails the myth that she was hoping to "save" Scottish football.

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[MrSmith]

There must be something serious going on under the surface at Tynecastle because Budge's desperation is so far out there for all to see! My jambo mates would rather drop to the lowland league than support anything the rangers put forward.

Are Hearts looking at an admin or something else? The benefactor would probs be better off letting AB fail and then picking up the pieces.

[660]

There must be something serious going on under the surface at Tynecastle because Budge's desperation is so far out there for all to see! My jambo mates would rather drop to the lowland league than support anything the rangers put forward.

Are Hearts looking at an admin or something else? The benefactor would probs be better off letting AB fail and then picking up the pieces.

I think the desperation is because the lower leagues might not start playing until later.

[Jim44]

There’s a suggestion over there that Budge has to show support for Rangers’ proposal, because, if it eventually goes to court, their case will be weakened by not backing a proposal which would have saved them from relegation.

[Springbank]

There’s a suggestion over there that Budge has to show support for Rangers’ proposal, because, if it eventually goes to court, their case will be weakened by not backing a proposal which would have saved them from relegation.

It would be nice if, once in a while, they just held their hands up and said "ach, we probably just got this one wrong lads. Let's forget it and go for a pint"

Not the hearts way I guess - they actually deserve to go down with the most classless relegation experience in Scottish football history

[weecounty hibby]

There’s a suggestion over there that Budge has to show support for Rangers’ proposal, because, if it eventually goes to court, their case will be weakened by not backing a proposal which would have saved them from relegation.
That's what it will be. She is a complete genius!!

[monarch]

Do we have a pyramid system or not ?

Surely Bonnyrigg and Inverurie have more right to league 2 access than Ran/Cel. Let them start in the new West of Scotland league. It seems it’s ok to ride roughshod over the rules so long as it’s aiding the terrible 2.

[GreenCastle]

A few of them are finally realising she has scored another own goal..

Basically jumping into bed with these new proposals and abandoning her own recent proposals.

It’s not a good look and she / they are coming across very very desperate.

The colts idea has flaws all over the place and again she’s supporting something Rangers want. The last support of allegations didn’t get them very far did it !!

Budge won’t be around Hearts forever and she doesn’t care if this doesn’t help Scottish football short to long term.

If they proposed Celtic and Rangers get 2x Colts teams each she would probably back if it meant Hearts stayed up!!

All she wants is not to loose money and get a quick fix NOW.

If I was a jambo I would be pretty uncomfortable with her supporting this.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

A few of them are finally realising she has scored another own goal..

Basically jumping into bed with these new proposals and abandoning her own recent proposals.

It’s not a good look and she / they are coming across very very desperate.

The colts idea has flaws all over the place and again she’s supporting something Rangers want. The last support of allegations didn’t get them very far did it !!

Budge won’t be around Hearts forever and she doesn’t care if this doesn’t help Scottish football short to long term.

If they proposed Celtic and Rangers get 2x Colts teams each she would probably back if it meant Hearts stayed up!!

All she wants is not to loose money and get a quick fix NOW.

If I was a jambo I would be pretty uncomfortable with her supporting this.

Well put

[Caversham Green]

There’s a suggestion over there that Budge has to show support for Rangers’ proposal, because, if it eventually goes to court, their case will be weakened by not backing a proposal which would have saved them from relegation.

I think she's painted herself into a corner by talking about legal action. On the one hand she now has the rabid Gorgie hordes squealing for court action and getting all excited about all the millions they think they would win while on the other she has very little chance of actually winning a court case and even if she did they would likely get a couple of hundred thousand at best with no guarantee that costs would be awarded. It would also be quite damaging to the league and she and her club would become a bit of a hate figure amongst all the other clubs, who she claims to have a duty of care for. That is the exact opposite of how she wants to be regarded.

[Peevemor]

There’s a suggestion over there that Budge has to show support for Rangers’ proposal, because, if it eventually goes to court, their case will be weakened by not backing a proposal which would have saved them from relegation.

They've all been reading too much John Grisham and are complicating somthing that is, in fact, very simple.

[Ronniekirk]

Aberdeen seem to go between voting for and against reconstruction, but surely they wouldn't be happy with Rangers and Celtic having colts teams in the leagues? Also, I'm assuming that the Rangers proposal is permanent and not the 2/5 years that hearts were trying for?

Because he has not grasped the concept and principles of Sporting Integrity
At least our American Owner has grasped that and the value of Community Involvement
No doubt he will change things as and when to try and make us more successful
But as long as he hangs onto the reasons he got involved we will be fine


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[GreenCastle]

I think she's painted herself into a corner by talking about legal action. On the one hand she now has the rabid Gorgie hordes squealing for court action and getting all excited about all the millions they think they would win while on the other she has very little chance of actually winning a court case and even if she did they would likely get a couple of hundred thousand at best with no guarantee that costs would be awarded. It would also be quite damaging to the league and she and her club would become a bit of a hate figure amongst all the other clubs, who she claims to have a duty of care for. That is the exact opposite of how she wants to be regarded.

Yup. She’s in a muddle.

She can’t be seen to do nothing.

But her claims about the greater good for Scottish football become more laughable as this goes on - especially if she tries the legal route - win or lose (which would happen - but I still think they won’t go legal as haven’t got a case).

Clubs have seen right through her and rightly don’t trust her / the club.

Would you trust her / Hearts - a team who over spent on players / haven’t finished a new stand and every other week is coming up with a different quick fix to try save the whole of Scottish football. When in reality it’s all about Hearts. Not Patrick, not Falkirk..all about Hearts losing more money.

[Aldo]

I think she's painted herself into a corner by talking about legal action. On the one hand she now has the rabid Gorgie hordes squealing for court action and getting all excited about all the millions they think they would win while on the other she has very little chance of actually winning a court case and even if she did they would likely get a couple of hundred thousand at best with no guarantee that costs would be awarded. It would also be quite damaging to the league and she and her club would become a bit of a hate figure amongst all the other clubs, who she claims to have a duty of care for. That is the exact opposite of how she wants to be regarded.

CG I am sure I read somewhere that the SFA would not be happy if they went down the legal route!

Your last few sentences sums up exactly what they are all about and that’s self interest! Budge has went on for weeks about having the interests of Scottish Football but clearly she’s forgotten all about that!

I don’t think there will be reconstruction or legal action and this is all a front. The wind has changed and she has now jumped into bed with Newco to try and get another way out. What I will ask is once that is chucked out will she go back to her own proposal?


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[MrSmith]

The entire legal route is a red herring to me! I really think none of those jumbos have a clue how the system works. Firstly, it has to go to the court of sporting arbitration. And, if budge is daft enough to raise an local action, she must pay in advance for it to go in front of a panel of judges who will scrutinise the action to decide whether or not it is viable or in the public interest re public monies being used to adjudicate the action.

Her action was always going to fall at the first hurdle because its all ifs, ands and buts with no corroboration. Clearly her team were treated fairly within the rules and given 80% of the season had been played, were never going to attain further points in order to remain in the SPL because and quite frankly me lud, they were awful!

[McSwanky]

There has to be some sort of limit put on this utter shambles. The clock is ticking, and we are still seeing new proposal after new proposal put forward. I am not against reconstruction per se, but this situation where there is no pathway to a clear solution has to end. It's getting worse than Theresa May's Brexit fiasco!

Surely someone's going to have to put a deadline put onto this - if the clubs can't agree on a proposal by that date, there is no reconstruction this year. Then a proper, representative working group can be formed with timescales agreed with a view to introducing something in a timely fashion for next year or the year after (if there's still an appetite for it).

Then again, it's Scottish Football. So this will probably rumble on and on and on. What a mess.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

There’s a suggestion over there that Budge has to show support for Rangers’ proposal, because, if it eventually goes to court, their case will be weakened by not backing a proposal which would have saved them from relegation.

There’s nothing stopping her from still submitting her own proposal which is what she has said she was going to do all along. She’s a brilliant, multi-tasking business woman after all. All clubs could put forward their proposals or suggestions on reconstruction.

The fact that she has now backed The Rangers proposal is just, in simplistic terms, sheer desperation.

[The 90+2]

Is there a link at all to hearts backing rangers? Can’t see anything at all.

[green day]

Is there a link at all to hearts backing rangers? Can’t see anything at all.


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-throw-weight-behind-rangers-22153840

Keith Jackson so read at your peril.............

[MrSmith]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-throw-weight-behind-rangers-22153840

Keith Jackson so read at your peril.............

took too long to load with all those bloody adverts that decided to get rid.

[Jim44]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-throw-weight-behind-rangers-22153840

Keith Jackson so read at your peril.............

It’s only a few days since he was going on about the cash windfall being seen as a bribe and that the ‘philanthropist’ should be wanting Hearts to accept relegation and forget about reconstruction, so that his kind gesture does not become tainted. Now KJ has done a quick u-turn and is pushing for reconstruction and the reprieve for Hearts. Talk about bending with the wind. The guy’s unbelievable.

[Jdawg]

The entire legal route is a red herring to me! I really think none of those jumbos have a clue how the system works. Firstly, it has to go to the court of sporting arbitration. And, if budge is daft enough to raise an local action, she must pay in advance for it to go in front of a panel of judges who will scrutinise the action to decide whether or not it is viable or in the public interest re public monies being used to adjudicate the action.



Her action was always going to fall at the first hurdle because its all ifs, ands and buts with no corroboration. Clearly her team were treated fairly within the rules and given 80% of the season had been played, were never going to attain further points in order to remain in the SPL because and quite frankly me lud, they were awful!

There is no public interest determination. Private companies can raise actions against each other if they so wish. The court costs are paid as the action progresses. If there is a legal argument by the defence as to the law, it could be chucked out at debate. Then there is a hearing on expenses.

[Skol]

I dont see why the OF B teams is such an issue.

On a separate note I saw Hearts fans quoting 1986 as an example of corruption. If thats the case their own team would have had to be complicit in the corruption given all they had to do was draw the game and must have taken a bribe to avoid that. maybe Craigy Boy was the only one with any integrity and took a sickie to avoid being part of it all. Also lets not forget the hearts supporting ref was also part of the corruption.

[we are hibs]

Lower league clubs will vote against the hun proposal as will hibs, ross county and presumably Aberdeen considering this is more than 2 years. Wonder whos next to put a proposal forward that prolongs this farce with just over 7 weeks until the season starts and 3 weeks until the fixtures come out.

[JimBHibees]

It’s only a few days since he was going on about the cash windfall being seen as a bribe and that the ‘philanthropist’ should be wanting Hearts to accept relegation and forget about reconstruction, so that his kind gesture does not become tainted. Now KJ has done a quick u-turn and is pushing for reconstruction and the reprieve for Hearts. Talk about bending with the wind. The guy’s unbelievable.

It is a surprise Keith would be supporting Rangers proposal. Goes against anything he has ever written. :greengrin

[The 90+2]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-throw-weight-behind-rangers-22153840

Keith Jackson so read at your peril.............

Thanks 👍

[Spike Mandela]

Still can’t think of ANY reason why 6 Premier clubs who threw out a 14 team Premier league weeks ago would now vote for it.

[007]

So if the Record article is correct (I recognise the contradiction here) despite never having mentioned reconstruction before losing to St Mirren or being in favour of the ugly sisters imposing a colts team on the leagues, this is in fact what Budge supports.

I suppose it saves her ever actually delivering a finished recommendation herself if she coat tails sevco but this nails the myth that she was hoping to "save" Scottish football.

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Talking of contradictions. Budge said on Sportsound last week, it isn't about the glory of being in the Premiership, it is about saving jobs yet she had previously said they'd spent a lot of money trying to avoid relegation. Boyce's salary of £6k+ per week alone could have covered 12+ members of ordinary staff at £500 that could have been kept in jobs instead.

[Bostonhibby]

Talking of contradictions. Budge said on Sportsound last week, it isn't about the glory of being in the Premiership, it is about saving jobs yet she had previously said they'd spent a lot of money trying to avoid relegation. Boyce's salary of £6k+ per week alone could have covered 12+ members of ordinary staff at £500 that could have been kept in jobs instead.She's an oxymoron

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[CraigHibee]

Talking of contradictions. Budge said on Sportsound last week, it isn't about the glory of being in the Premiership, it is about saving jobs yet she had previously said they'd spent a lot of money trying to avoid relegation. Boyce's salary of £6k+ per week alone could have covered 12+ members of ordinary staff at £500 that could have been kept in jobs instead.

they clearly haven't learned their lesson of "living within their means" i hope the proposals are bombed out and i hope relegation bites hard for these toilet dookers

[jacomo]

Still can’t think of ANY reason why 6 Premier clubs who threw out a 14 team Premier league weeks ago would now vote for it.


It’s perfectly simple. A 12 team top division with a 6:6 split after 3 rounds of matches is now well established and understood but will lead to the death of Scottish football, but a 14 team division with a much less satisfactory split and as yet undefined play off matches would save Scottish football!

Don’t ask why, just trust Hearts. They saved the world once so they know what they are talking about.

[poolman]

I dont see why the OF B teams is such an issue.

On a separate note I saw Hearts fans quoting 1986 as an example of corruption. If thats the case their own team would have had to be complicit in the corruption given all they had to do was draw the game and must have taken a bribe to avoid that. maybe Craigy Boy was the only one with any integrity and took a sickie to avoid being part of it all. Also lets not forget the hearts supporting ref was also part of the corruption.


Seriously ?

You don't see Old Firm Colts an issue 🤔

[Hibs4185]

Seriously ?

You don't see Old Firm Colts an issue 🤔

I think Colts teams or B teams are a great idea and I’ve stated this a few times but it needs to be all top flight clubs who want that option and all starting at the same level.

I also don’t think they should be allowed as high as the championship because this devalues the championship and therefore the promoted team into the premier league.

The rangers proposal is pure self interest and saving their wee cousins so
I hope it fails.

[RossScott1991]

Are hearts getting relegated or not by the way 😂 I’ve became soo lost in all this literally not clue where we are at. Less than 2 months til season starts need fixtures!

[bingo70]

Are hearts getting relegated or not by the way 😂 I’ve became soo lost in all this literally not clue where we are at. Less than 2 months til season starts need fixtures!

They are already relegated.

[CapitalGreen]

I think Colts teams or B teams are a great idea and I’ve stated this a few times but it needs to be all top flight clubs who want that option and all starting at the same level.

I also don’t think they should be allowed as high as the championship because this devalues the championship and therefore the promoted team into the premier league.

The rangers proposal is pure self interest and saving their wee cousins so
I hope it fails.

If colt teams would devalue the Championship then surely they would devalue League 1 and League 2 as well then?

[GreenCastle]

Are hearts getting relegated or not by the way 😂 I’ve became soo lost in all this literally not clue where we are at. Less than 2 months til season starts need fixtures!

They were relegated weeks ago!

They even voted to end the leagues along with the big huns.

It’s all about trying not to lose money and slime their way back into the top league but no one trusts the slippery snake Budge.

[GreenCastle]

If colt teams would devalue the Championship then surely they would devalue League 1 and League 2 as well then?

Yup.

It’s just pushing the problem further down.

Why don’t they just have a reserve league ?

Rangers took their reserve team out the league recently ??!

Hibs did the same to play arranged friendlies.

I wouldn’t want a Hibs colt team in lower league and definitely wouldn’t want more Old Firm in anyway possible.

[Since452]

Imagine being a Stirling Albion fan waking up in the morning and realising you're playing Rangers B. You'd just stay in bed. Kick in the balls to decent clubs being devalued to that level.

[The Count]

By the back door will this not strengthen even further the Old Firm.They would have two votes each in the future.One in the Premier and one in what lower league they are in.

[JimBHibees]

By the back door will this not strengthen even further the Old Firm.They would have two votes each in the future.One in the Premier and one in what lower league they are in.

Good point another reason to say no to it.

[poolman]

I think Colts teams or B teams are a great idea and I’ve stated this a few times but it needs to be all top flight clubs who want that option and all starting at the same level.

I also don’t think they should be allowed as high as the championship because this devalues the championship and therefore the promoted team into the premier league.

The rangers proposal is pure self interest and saving their wee cousins so
I hope it fails.

Yup, all teams colts should then get the chance

And, as Jim McInally said "It's not Scottish football's duty to raise Celtic and Rangers youth teams "

[Heisenberg]

Latest Jambo nonesense I’ve read quoted below. They are seriously clinging onto the SPFL being able to make some sort of executive decision about the leagues.

“@JamTarts back in training on Thursday as part of the new temporary 14-10-18 set up for the SPFL as per forthcoming executive decision by SPFL Board. SPL in August, Championship in October and mothballed bottom tier. 14-10-10-10 if reconstruction voted through by clubs.“

If the bottom tier is to be mothballed in this fantasy scenario, why would the league structure need to change? Just promote/relegate as appropriate and shut down league one/two if they can’t play.

[Peevemor]

Latest Jambo nonesense I’ve read quoted below. They are seriously clinging onto the SPFL being able to make some sort of executive decision about the leagues.

“@JamTarts back in training on Thursday as part of the new temporary 14-10-18 set up for the SPFL as per forthcoming executive decision by SPFL Board. SPL in August, Championship in October and mothballed bottom tier. 14-10-10-10 if reconstruction voted through by clubs.“

Or sitting with their thumbs up their farters if the status quo stands and they have to wait to resume training like the rest of the lower league clubs.

[04Sauzee]

Latest Jambo nonesense I’ve read quoted below. They are seriously clinging onto the SPFL being able to make some sort of executive decision about the leagues.

“@JamTarts back in training on Thursday as part of the new temporary 14-10-18 set up for the SPFL as per forthcoming executive decision by SPFL Board. SPL in August, Championship in October and mothballed bottom tier. 14-10-10-10 if reconstruction voted through by clubs.“

If the bottom tier is to be mothballed in this fantasy scenario, why would the league structure need to change? Just promote/relegate as appropriate and shut down league one/two if they can’t play.

Think we have found saughton on twitter 😅
That boy spouts some Lillian gish

[GordonHFC]

With the two arse cheeks having youth teams in the league how on earth would the rest of us entice youngsters to sign. We would be playing friendlies against Huddersfield U23 when they would be playing Cove Rangers and the likes. We need to stop pandering to 2 clubs and not let them dictate how our league works.

[mal]

Latest Jambo nonesense I’ve read quoted below. They are seriously clinging onto the SPFL being able to make some sort of executive decision about the leagues.

“@JamTarts back in training on Thursday as part of the new temporary 14-10-18 set up for the SPFL as per forthcoming executive decision by SPFL Board. SPL in August, Championship in October and mothballed bottom tier. 14-10-10-10 if reconstruction voted through by clubs.“

If the bottom tier is to be mothballed in this fantasy scenario, why would the league structure need to change? Just promote/relegate as appropriate and shut down league one/two if they can’t play.

Are they now wanting to relegate (or expel) everyone from Airdrie on down?

[inglisavhibs]

I think Colts teams or B teams are a great idea and I’ve stated this a few times but it needs to be all top flight clubs who want that option and all starting at the same level.

I also don’t think they should be allowed as high as the championship because this devalues the championship and therefore the promoted team into the premier league.

The rangers proposal is pure self interest and saving their wee cousins so
I hope it fails.
Colts teams are ok in a colts league, not when punters are paying money to see adult teams.

[Spike Mandela]

Interesting that 42 teams were asked what would make them amenable to reconstruction yet only one teams proposal is being discussed in the media. Almost as if it was planned in some way.��

[Lago]

They are already relegated.
Maybe a better question would be "are Hearts Reinstated yet?"

[matty_f]

Latest Jambo nonesense I’ve read quoted below. They are seriously clinging onto the SPFL being able to make some sort of executive decision about the leagues.

“@JamTarts back in training on Thursday as part of the new temporary 14-10-18 set up for the SPFL as per forthcoming executive decision by SPFL Board. SPL in August, Championship in October and mothballed bottom tier. 14-10-10-10 if reconstruction voted through by clubs.“

If the bottom tier is to be mothballed in this fantasy scenario, why would the league structure need to change? Just promote/relegate as appropriate and shut down league one/two if they can’t play.

Who tweeted that?

[Mon Dieu4]

Who tweeted that?

Some random Jamboid in response to Kheredine saying Celtic and Ross County were back training from Thursday

[Heisenberg]

Who tweeted that?

Some random Hearts fan, most likely dreamed up in his own head or taken from Kickback. I’ve yet to see any reputable source report that the SPFL are going to take matters into their own hands.

[04Sauzee]

The very tweet

[Alfred E Newman]

Who tweeted that?

I don't know but whoever it was, he is probably back inside his secure accommodation now.

[Peevemor]

The very tweet

I'm sure he posts 100% screaming nonsense on JKB, but with an air of authority.

[green day]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08gcpfs

Christ on a bike - Chick Young talking sense, Tom English and Craig Levein pushing the Rangers / Hearts plan hard.

Staggering stuff and lets hope the football clubs bin this crap sooner than later.

Listening to Levein, I remember exactly why he makes me puke.

Stewart Gilmour suspicious that this is just about saving Hearts?

[Aldo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08gcpfs

Christ on a bike - Chick Young talking sense, Tom English and Craig Levein pushing the Rangers / Hearts plan hard.

Staggering stuff and lets hope the football clubs bin this crap sooner than later.

Listening to Levein, I remember exactly why he makes me puke.

Stewart Gilmour suspicious that this is just about saving Hearts?

Surely this hasn’t got much more time to run.

Like you say boooorrrriiinnggg!

SG is onto something I think!!


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[Since452]

The very tweet

He doesn't even know the SPL doesn't exist.

[Peevemor]

He doesn't even know the SPL doesn't exist.

They're bringing it back for Hearts.

[Jim44]

Think we have found saughton on twitter 😅
That boy spouts some Lillian gish

He’s the nutter who, I believe, got into bother by, unilaterally, starting up a Justgiving scheme to finance the Jambo legal action. I think he claims he’s in cahoots with Leslie Deans, and was shouted down by the Jambo muppets for claiming to be a friend or acquaintance of Budge the Fudge.

[Jim44]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08gcpfs

Christ on a bike - Chick Young talking sense, Tom English and Craig Levein pushing the Rangers / Hearts plan hard.

Staggering stuff and lets hope the football clubs bin this crap sooner than later.

Listening to Levein, I remember exactly why he makes me puke.

Stewart Gilmour suspicious that this is just about saving Hearts?

You would have thought that Levein would have been happy to slip, disgracefully, out of the back door of the PBS with his tail between his legs, considering the mess they are in is very much his fault, and keep a low profile for a while. As I said, elsewhere, it wouldn’t surprise me if he still has links with Budge.

[Jim44]

The latest BBC podcast has been released with TE in support and CY against.

Oh, and CL with an interview too following his departure from Hearts.

What are the chances of Budge the Fudge taking him on in a consultancy basis to advise her through he crisis? :greengrin

[SHODAN]

The year is 2030. Scottish football has been inactive for ten years, as chief executive Neil Doncaster allows Hearts owner Ann Budge to submit her latest 13-11-26 proposal for league reconstruction after the previous 6,352 proposals were rejected.

[Col2]

You would have thought that Levein would have been happy to slip, disgracefully, out of the back door of the PBS with his tail between his legs, considering the mess they are in is very much his fault, and keep a low profile for a while. As I said, elsewhere, it wouldn’t surprise me if he still has links with Budge.

This is part of his comeback. Avoid taking any responsibility and a few appearances on Sportsound and Tom English and co fawning at him. Before you know it some people will be telling everyone how great a job he did.

By the way Michael Stewart is having a field day on Twitter!!!

[04Sauzee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08gcpfs

Christ on a bike - Chick Young talking sense, Tom English and Craig Levein pushing the Rangers / Hearts plan hard.

Staggering stuff and lets hope the football clubs bin this crap sooner than later.

Listening to Levein, I remember exactly why he makes me puke.

Stewart Gilmour suspicious that this is just about saving Hearts?

Gilmour rightly saying to many professional clubs so reckons 2 top tiers of 12 and pyramid system below that, and regionilised leagues. Tom English saying it makes sense but would never be voted through so let's move on 🙄

[MrSmith]

This is part of his comeback. Avoid taking any responsibility and a few appearances on Sportsound and Tom English and co fawning at him. Before you know it some people will be telling everyone how great a job he did.

By the way Michael Stewart is having a field day on Twitter!!!


I don’t have Twitter, could you drop in a couple of his tweets please? :thumbsup:

[penihibs]

Craig Levien is back!!
Save our Hearts campaign has another mouthpiece on Radio Scotland.
Why is English fighting so hard for Hearts.
Levien wouldn't be on here if he was a manager worth his salt.
He's done his best to derail them thank god🇳🇬

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[we are hibs]

Can anyone tell me what qualifies Tom English to talk about football on such a big platform? Why we need to hear his opinion is beyond me. Hes meant to be a "journalist". They're meant to present facts and an unbiased description of events as far as im aware. Not have an uneducated opinion on a sport they know little about.

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[weecounty hibby]

He is an absolute certainty to be next to join BBC radiojambo.

[The Count]

This whole Hearts driven reconstruction was amusing at first now i just want it to end.Hearts are creating all this negative talk aided by the Scottish media.Surely this week ends it all and its the status quo and we can look forward and concentrate on all the good work being done in Scottish football to get us playing again.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Maybe a better question would be "are Hearts Reinstated yet?"

Nope...they are,and will remain, un-instated for at leadt the next 12 months if not longer😁

[660]

Can anyone tell me what qualifies Tom English to talk about football on such a big platform? Why we need to hear his opinion is beyond me. Hes meant to be a "journalist". They're meant to present facts and an unbiased description of events as far as im aware. Not have an uneducated opinion on a sport they know little about.

Tom English is a rugby expert and Ewan Murray is a golf expert yet they think they are authorities in Scottish football.

[Brightside]

Tom English is a rugby expert and Ewan Murray is a golf expert yet they think they are authorities in Scottish football.

Neither of them are experts in either sport.

[JimBHibees]

Latest Jambo nonesense I’ve read quoted below. They are seriously clinging onto the SPFL being able to make some sort of executive decision about the leagues.

“@JamTarts back in training on Thursday as part of the new temporary 14-10-18 set up for the SPFL as per forthcoming executive decision by SPFL Board. SPL in August, Championship in October and mothballed bottom tier. 14-10-10-10 if reconstruction voted through by clubs.“

If the bottom tier is to be mothballed in this fantasy scenario, why would the league structure need to change? Just promote/relegate as appropriate and shut down league one/two if they can’t play.

Contradiction in there is there not. Spfl executive decision and if voted through by clubs.

They don't have a clue.

[tamig]

By the back door will this not strengthen even further the Old Firm.They would have two votes each in the future.One in the Premier and one in what lower league they are in.

I’d highly doubt that as they are the same clubs.

[Jim44]

He believes he is an authority on all sports by virtue of being Chief Sports Writer for BBC Scotland.

[JimBHibees]

What are the chances of Budge the Fudge taking him on in a consultancy basis to advise her through he crisis? :greengrin

Certainty I think. Levein blaming injuries he had enough players to play 4 teams at the same time. Incredible an absolute dinosaur. Was he also not in charge of the medical department. :greengrin

[weecounty hibby]

Tom English is a rugby expert and Ewan Murray is a golf expert yet they think they are authorities in Scottish football.

Said it before many many times. English is as bad at commenting on rugby as he is at football. He is just the pub bore who knows a few big words and can string a sentence together using them. He talks loudly to sound like an authority and listens to no other point of view than his own. Best ignored and hopefully he will piss off somewhere else.

[JimBHibees]

You would have thought that Levein would have been happy to slip, disgracefully, out of the back door of the PBS with his tail between his legs, considering the mess they are in is very much his fault, and keep a low profile for a while. As I said, elsewhere, it wouldn’t surprise me if he still has links with Budge.

Yep most normal people would have done that. Weird behaviour.

[Peevemor]

Said it before many many times. English is as bad at commenting on rugby as he is at football. He is just the pub bore who knows a few big words and can string a sentence together using them. He talks loudly to sound like an authority and listens to no other point of view than his own. Best ignored and hopefully he will piss off somewhere else.


:agree: Indubitably!

[04Sauzee]

The very tweet

It's the same boy who posted this on kickback

David McCaig David McCaig

Posted 57 minutes ago


I tuned into the podcast expecting to be annoyed... but I thought Craig Levein actually came across very well

[JeMeSouviens]

Can anyone tell me what qualifies Tom English to talk about football?

Nope. Haven't a scooby tbh. :confused:

[hibbyfraelibby]

Gilmour rightly saying to many professional clubs so reckons 2 top tiers of 12 and pyramid system below that, and regionilised leagues. Tom English saying it makes sense but would never be voted through so let's move on 🙄

12/12/12 with a qualifying league of the remaining SPFL 6 plus 6 from tier 5 in two conferences (Senior and Junior).

Play everyone in your own conference H&A, play everyone in other conference H&A, then finish with a final H&A round against own conference. 32 game regular season.

Top team in Senior conference automatically promoted to Tier 3. Teams2/3/4 play off to meet team 11 in Tier 3.

Team 6 in Senior Conference drops to Junior Conference replace by team 1 from Junior Conference. Teams 2/3/4 in Junior Conference play off to meet team 5 in Senior Conference. Team 6 in Junior Conference plays of v winner of the LL/HL play off.

Tier 1 Premiership
Tier 2 Championship
Tier 3 National League
Tier 4a Senior Conference
Tier 4b Junior Conference
Tier 5 Lowland / Highland
Tier 6 East/South/West/ & Caledonian

Pyramid maintained. No devaluing Colts nonsense. Tiers1-3 replicate current Prem season structure.

Implement in season 22/23 to allow effect of COVID19 to wane.

[The_Sauz]

This is part of his comeback. Avoid taking any responsibility and a few appearances on Sportsound and Tom English and co fawning at him. Before you know it some people will be telling everyone how great a job he did.

By the way Michael Stewart is having a field day on Twitter!!!
I think it was Neil McCann who said he had done a great job 2/3 weeks ago! It was on the BBC website :agree:

[Bostonhibby]

Latest Jambo nonesense I’ve read quoted below. They are seriously clinging onto the SPFL being able to make some sort of executive decision about the leagues.

“@JamTarts back in training on Thursday as part of the new temporary 14-10-18 set up for the SPFL as per forthcoming executive decision by SPFL Board. SPL in August, Championship in October and mothballed bottom tier. 14-10-10-10 if reconstruction voted through by clubs.“

If the bottom tier is to be mothballed in this fantasy scenario, why would the league structure need to change? Just promote/relegate as appropriate and shut down league one/two if they can’t play.If only the rules allowed it. The ideal time to try to change the rules would have been when none other than their very own Mrs doctor Budge was on the board?

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[Bostonhibby]

Certainty I think. Levein blaming injuries he had enough players to play 4 teams at the same time. Incredible an absolute dinosaur. Was he also not in charge of the medical department. :greengrinI'm looking forward to seeing the inquest when they're looking at who actually is accountable for them being bottom for so long.

Is it Budge for blowing all that money? Is it Levein for having a squad big enough to cover a few injuries like most other clubs have to sustain? Or is it Desperate Dan who came in with a record of knowing how to get relegated and enjoyed to celebrate with the fans along the way?

Could be absolutely nothing associated with their club is to blame so the Duncan's will carry on as before, that'll do for me.



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[Since452]

I always cringe when I hear them blaming their chronic 18 months on injuries. They assembled an expensive and massive squad to be able to cope with injuries. You never hear Hamilton and St Mirren complain. In fact I'm sure Hamilton had their reserves out when they got a draw with 10 men at Tynecastle. It just highlights how poor their recruitment was.

[weecounty hibby]

12/12/12 with a qualifying league of the remaining SPFL 6 plus 6 from tier 5 in two conferences (Senior and Junior).

Play everyone in your own conference H&A, play everyone in other conference H&A, then finish with a final H&A round against own conference. 32 game regular season.

Top team in Senior conference automatically promoted to Tier 3. Teams2/3/4 play off to meet team 11 in Tier 3.

Team 6 in Senior Conference drops to Junior Conference replace by team 1 from Junior Conference. Teams 2/3/4 in Junior Conference play off to meet team 5 in Senior Conference. Team 6 in Junior Conference plays of v winner of the LL/HL play off.

Tier 1 Premiership
Tier 2 Championship
Tier 3 National League
Tier 4a Senior Conference
Tier 4b Junior Conference
Tier 5 Lowland / Highland
Tier 6 East/South/West/ & Caledonian

Pyramid maintained. No devaluing Colts nonsense. Tiers1-3 replicate current Prem season structure.

Implement in season 22/23 to allow effect of COVID19 to wane.
That makes a whole lot of sense actually. It is the only thing that I've seen that makes any sense and isn't just designed to save one club. It also looks like some thought has gone into it as well. Again not just some cobbled together BS to save one club

[Newry Hibs]

Be interesting to see if the league format stays as is it for next season and Hearts get promoted - whether they will still push for reconstruction, seeing how it is so important.

[GreenCastle]

Correct me if I’m wrong but some Highland teams actually don’t want to be promoted due to costs etc.

100% Budge won’t mention promotion after this is finalised.

She hasn’t mentioned it before and even was quite saying too many teams so now she wants to add more with colts etc.

I do wonder who is advising her - Levein is away - Nanny is away. Stendal is out of contract.

Whose left ? Locke ? Hearty Harry ?

[Jim44]

Be interesting to see if the league format stays as is it for next season and Hearts get promoted - whether they will still push for reconstruction, seeing how it is so important.

Stop muddying the already clouded water .......... there’s no room for sarcastic cynicism on this message board. :wink::greengrin

[seanshow]

Another indication that the squealing is over would be the disappearance of Bbc resident pbs reporter, he was on every radio show trying to sell Ann Budge proposals, and posting guff on the bbc website under his own name and laterely anonymously.
He knew the game was up some time ago.

[Jdawg]

Can Rangers and Celtic young players not just go on loan to lower league teams?

Chick Young ripping English to shreds.

[007]

Latest Jambo nonesense I’ve read quoted below. They are seriously clinging onto the SPFL being able to make some sort of executive decision about the leagues.

“@JamTarts back in training on Thursday as part of the new temporary 14-10-18 set up for the SPFL as per forthcoming executive decision by SPFL Board. SPL in August, Championship in October and mothballed bottom tier. 14-10-10-10 if reconstruction voted through by clubs.“

If the bottom tier is to be mothballed in this fantasy scenario, why would the league structure need to change? Just promote/relegate as appropriate and shut down league one/two if they can’t play.

If this guy has got genuine inside info then it doesn't make sense why none of the media have not published it. They get a lot of articles from social media so must have seen not only this but also other chat from Jambos saying Neil Doncaster has the power to deem something an emergency situation and take whatever action he sees fit. They would then, without too much difficulty, be able to check if it is true or not. If it was true they could then, at the very least, publish an article saying Doncaster has such power but they wouldn't necessarily need to include the above details if they couldn't verify that part.

Either all the media have completely dropped the ball by missing this or there's nothing in it.

If it turns out to be nonsense then Budge has done the fans up like a bunch of kippers by hinting such a thing was possible.

[Gmack7]

Would the colts play in the SC? BIG BILLY BOYS v tiny tims

[GreenCastle]

Can Rangers and Celtic young players not just go on loan to lower league teams?

Chick Young ripping English to shreds.

They probably don’t trust the league lower clubs / coaching / facilities etc.

This is the bigger problem- why not do something to improve the lower part of Scottish football and help develop clubs or even partnerships.

Main reason is self interest as always.

Don’t forget they played the youth cup final at Hampden between Celtic and Rangers behind closed doors as they were scared of trouble.

If they can’t sort this type of stuff they should no where near be allowed to enter more teams.

[Heisenberg]

Ross County chairman against reconstruction for next season. It’s not happening unless this mysterious Budge emergency clause exists in the SPFL rules.

[calumhibee1]

Ross County chairman against reconstruction for next season. It’s not happening unless this mysterious Budge emergency clause exists in the SPFL rules.

Has he come out and said that today?

[tamig]

If this guy has got genuine inside info then it doesn't make sense why none of the media have not published it. They get a lot of articles from social media so must have seen not only this but also other chat from Jambos saying Neil Doncaster has the power to deem something an emergency situation and take whatever action he sees fit. They would then, without too much difficulty, be able to check if it is true or not. If it was true they could then, at the very least, publish an article saying Doncaster has such power but they wouldn't necessarily need to include the above details if they couldn't verify that part.

Either all the media have completely dropped the ball by missing this or there's nothing in it.

If it turns out to be nonsense then Budge has done the fans up like a bunch of kippers by hinting such a thing was possible.

Its pie in the sky fantasy stuff.

[JimBHibees]

Has he come out and said that today?

Yesterday I think

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/ross-county-chief-roy-macgregor-says-now-is-not-the-time-for-rangers-reconstruction-proposal/

[007]

Its pie in the sky fantasy stuff.

That's what I think. Haven't really been looking for it but have seen it mentioned here (quoting them) and a little on Twitter, would be interesting to know if anyone here has seen any of them posting a screenshot of the rule that says Doncaster has that power. My guess is nobody has posted it because nobody has been able to find it because it doesn't exist. If it did, they'd be posting it all over the place.

[brog]

This is part of his comeback. Avoid taking any responsibility and a few appearances on Sportsound and Tom English and co fawning at him. Before you know it some people will be telling everyone how great a job he did.

By the way Michael Stewart is having a field day on Twitter!!!

It worked for Self Sufficient Southern! Reinvented himself as a Football Industry Advisor! Specialist subject, being self sufficient but £40m in debt at the same time!

[04Sauzee]

Brechin statement, interesting bit regarding how top tier teams may vote f 🤔

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CLUB STATEMENT - 08/06/20 - By BCFC Management Committee
The standard club protocol over recent months is to start Club Statements with a repeated message around staying safe and keeping in good health. This sentiment doesn’t diminish the further through this pandemic we are. We do hope that life for everyone associated with Brechin City, in whatever way, continues in as best a form as possible.

Given the intense uncertainty around Scottish Football at present, with twists and turns on a seemingly daily basis (and a plethora of new ideas arriving just about as often), the feeling is that we could be releasing statements almost every day – and be out of date within 24 hours. However, in an attempt to bring members and supporters up to date as best we can, the Management Committee has provided the following information covering a variety of topical matters.

SPFL LEAGUE RECONSTRUCTION
We can confirm that Brechin City is not in favour of a 14-14-14 set up for next season and our contribution to the debate will reflect that. Our preference from the outset remains the status quo of 12-10-10-10, but acknowledge that if the Premiership clubs favour a 14 club set-up in the top division, then we would agree to support a 14-10-10-10 proposal.

SPFL LEAGUE RE-START
Whilst an October start has been well reported we will continue to work with the football administrators and our fellow clubs to try and get back playing football when conditions allow. Whilst much of the media focus is on the return to competitive action, in reality as a Club we are very mindful of the ‘Return to Training’ protocol stipulated by the Scottish FA. This, alongside the ‘Return to Playing’ guidance, presents considerable challenges to Clubs of our size, none more so than the impacts of the rigorous testing procedures required for the squad, management, backroom team and club officials.

We are in regular and active discussions with the SPFL and member clubs to seek further clarity and we will try to keep supporters as up to date as possible. However, we would ask that supporters be under no illusion around the enormity of the task we face in finding a practical solution to allow us to adhere to these wholly necessary working stipulations.

We fully acknowledge and welcome the proposed philanthropic donation to all 42 SPFL clubs, but would stress to fans that this exceptionally generous gesture does not in itself fill the huge financial hole created by the pandemic.

AGM PLANNING & CLUB RECONSTRUCTION
In normal circumstances a major focus at present would our be preparation for the Club AGM. We are currently in discussion with a couple of parties with a view to forming plans to explore significant changes to the structure and future direction of the Club. This is with the solid intention of presenting these plans to our members at the AGM in July. However, it’s clear that a ‘normal’ face-to-face AGM is not possible in lock-down conditions. As a result, we’re left with the alternatives of an online meeting via a video conferencing platform during July, or potentially deferring the AGM to a time when gatherings are permitted – something which may be a viable alternative given the delay to the start of the season.

We are therefore keen to ensure that our season ticket database contains accurate contact details for all of our members. With this in mind, we would be grateful if each Club member could please email the following information to [email protected] in order to allow accurate administration of this.

• Name & Address
• E-mail Address
• Contact Phone Number
• 2019/20 Season Ticket Number

Should you not have email access, please call or text the information to 07720 861369.

PLAYING SQUAD
Brechin City is continuing to take advantage of the government’s Job Retention Scheme to ensure that our wages obligation continues to be met during a time we have had no income. The contractual position is that we have three players under contract for next season – namely strikers Andy Jackson and Jimmy Scott, and goalkeeper Paddy O’Neil. The Manager has decided which players’ contracts will not be renewed and which players will be offered re-signing terms whilst also actively seeking new additions to the squad.

Supporters will doubtless understand that it is not easy to try and form a squad when we simply don’t know when training and competitive games will restart, what league structure will be in place, who our opponents will be – and ultimately a financial budget in which to operate.

GLEBE PARK STADIUM - CARE & MAINTENANCE
A few volunteers have been looking after the Stadium over the past few weeks ensuring the pitch and infrastructure are being well maintained. We are now at the stage where the Stadium Group members will be asked to start helping out with outdoor, socially-distanced ground improvement works as we would normally do in the close season. We have already had some new volunteers make themselves known, but we’ll always welcome more – so do feel free to step forward and contact the Club if you think you can help.

ONLINE LOTTERY
The position for the new role of an Online Lottery Manager for the Club has been filled, and supporters – both those who are local, and those further afield – should look forward to the upcoming launch of a new initiative to support Brechin City in these troubled times and beyond.

The Management Committee continues to appeal to everyone connected to Brechin City (and those who aren’t) to do everything possible to protect your physical and mental health and that of those around you. We urge you to continue to follow the public health guidance – stay at home, wash your hands regularly and observe the social distancing protocol.

Thanks for your ongoing support everyone – it’s very humbling – and stay safe.
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[Greenworld]

Brechin statement, interesting bit regarding how top tier teams may vote f [emoji848]

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News - 8 June 2020
CLUB STATEMENT - 08/06/20 - By BCFC Management Committee
The standard club protocol over recent months is to start Club Statements with a repeated message around staying safe and keeping in good health. This sentiment doesn’t diminish the further through this pandemic we are. We do hope that life for everyone associated with Brechin City, in whatever way, continues in as best a form as possible.

Given the intense uncertainty around Scottish Football at present, with twists and turns on a seemingly daily basis (and a plethora of new ideas arriving just about as often), the feeling is that we could be releasing statements almost every day – and be out of date within 24 hours. However, in an attempt to bring members and supporters up to date as best we can, the Management Committee has provided the following information covering a variety of topical matters.

SPFL LEAGUE RECONSTRUCTION
We can confirm that Brechin City is not in favour of a 14-14-14 set up for next season and our contribution to the debate will reflect that. Our preference from the outset remains the status quo of 12-10-10-10, but acknowledge that if the Premiership clubs favour a 14 club set-up in the top division, then we would agree to support a 14-10-10-10 proposal.

SPFL LEAGUE RE-START
Whilst an October start has been well reported we will continue to work with the football administrators and our fellow clubs to try and get back playing football when conditions allow. Whilst much of the media focus is on the return to competitive action, in reality as a Club we are very mindful of the ‘Return to Training’ protocol stipulated by the Scottish FA. This, alongside the ‘Return to Playing’ guidance, presents considerable challenges to Clubs of our size, none more so than the impacts of the rigorous testing procedures required for the squad, management, backroom team and club officials.

We are in regular and active discussions with the SPFL and member clubs to seek further clarity and we will try to keep supporters as up to date as possible. However, we would ask that supporters be under no illusion around the enormity of the task we face in finding a practical solution to allow us to adhere to these wholly necessary working stipulations.

We fully acknowledge and welcome the proposed philanthropic donation to all 42 SPFL clubs, but would stress to fans that this exceptionally generous gesture does not in itself fill the huge financial hole created by the pandemic.

AGM PLANNING & CLUB RECONSTRUCTION
In normal circumstances a major focus at present would our be preparation for the Club AGM. We are currently in discussion with a couple of parties with a view to forming plans to explore significant changes to the structure and future direction of the Club. This is with the solid intention of presenting these plans to our members at the AGM in July. However, it’s clear that a ‘normal’ face-to-face AGM is not possible in lock-down conditions. As a result, we’re left with the alternatives of an online meeting via a video conferencing platform during July, or potentially deferring the AGM to a time when gatherings are permitted – something which may be a viable alternative given the delay to the start of the season.

We are therefore keen to ensure that our season ticket database contains accurate contact details for all of our members. With this in mind, we would be grateful if each Club member could please email the following information to [email protected] in order to allow accurate administration of this.

• Name & Address
• E-mail Address
• Contact Phone Number
• 2019/20 Season Ticket Number

Should you not have email access, please call or text the information to 07720 861369.

PLAYING SQUAD
Brechin City is continuing to take advantage of the government’s Job Retention Scheme to ensure that our wages obligation continues to be met during a time we have had no income. The contractual position is that we have three players under contract for next season – namely strikers Andy Jackson and Jimmy Scott, and goalkeeper Paddy O’Neil. The Manager has decided which players’ contracts will not be renewed and which players will be offered re-signing terms whilst also actively seeking new additions to the squad.

Supporters will doubtless understand that it is not easy to try and form a squad when we simply don’t know when training and competitive games will restart, what league structure will be in place, who our opponents will be – and ultimately a financial budget in which to operate.

GLEBE PARK STADIUM - CARE & MAINTENANCE
A few volunteers have been looking after the Stadium over the past few weeks ensuring the pitch and infrastructure are being well maintained. We are now at the stage where the Stadium Group members will be asked to start helping out with outdoor, socially-distanced ground improvement works as we would normally do in the close season. We have already had some new volunteers make themselves known, but we’ll always welcome more – so do feel free to step forward and contact the Club if you think you can help.

ONLINE LOTTERY
The position for the new role of an Online Lottery Manager for the Club has been filled, and supporters – both those who are local, and those further afield – should look forward to the upcoming launch of a new initiative to support Brechin City in these troubled times and beyond.

The Management Committee continues to appeal to everyone connected to Brechin City (and those who aren’t) to do everything possible to protect your physical and mental health and that of those around you. We urge you to continue to follow the public health guidance – stay at home, wash your hands regularly and observe the social distancing protocol.

Thanks for your ongoing support everyone – it’s very humbling – and stay safe.
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[emoji2398] BRECHIN CITY FOOTBALL CLUB. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.Basically its a No , i think there is enough indications coming back saying no at least not just now.
SPFL have covered all nicely now so its go with the same just now.
The no deaths for 2 days is great news and heartening that the championship teams down will get football sooner rather than later .


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[Jim44]

Brechin statement, interesting bit regarding how top tier teams may vote f 🤔

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News - 8 June 2020
CLUB STATEMENT - 08/06/20 - By BCFC Management Committee
The standard club protocol over recent months is to start Club Statements with a repeated message around staying safe and keeping in good health. This sentiment doesn’t diminish the further through this pandemic we are. We do hope that life for everyone associated with Brechin City, in whatever way, continues in as best a form as possible.

Given the intense uncertainty around Scottish Football at present, with twists and turns on a seemingly daily basis (and a plethora of new ideas arriving just about as often), the feeling is that we could be releasing statements almost every day – and be out of date within 24 hours. However, in an attempt to bring members and supporters up to date as best we can, the Management Committee has provided the following information covering a variety of topical matters.

SPFL LEAGUE RECONSTRUCTION
We can confirm that Brechin City is not in favour of a 14-14-14 set up for next season and our contribution to the debate will reflect that. Our preference from the outset remains the status quo of 12-10-10-10, but acknowledge that if the Premiership clubs favour a 14 club set-up in the top division, then we would agree to support a 14-10-10-10 proposal.

SPFL LEAGUE RE-START
Whilst an October start has been well reported we will continue to work with the football administrators and our fellow clubs to try and get back playing football when conditions allow. Whilst much of the media focus is on the return to competitive action, in reality as a Club we are very mindful of the ‘Return to Training’ protocol stipulated by the Scottish FA. This, alongside the ‘Return to Playing’ guidance, presents considerable challenges to Clubs of our size, none more so than the impacts of the rigorous testing procedures required for the squad, management, backroom team and club officials.

We are in regular and active discussions with the SPFL and member clubs to seek further clarity and we will try to keep supporters as up to date as possible. However, we would ask that supporters be under no illusion around the enormity of the task we face in finding a practical solution to allow us to adhere to these wholly necessary working stipulations.

We fully acknowledge and welcome the proposed philanthropic donation to all 42 SPFL clubs, but would stress to fans that this exceptionally generous gesture does not in itself fill the huge financial hole created by the pandemic.

AGM PLANNING & CLUB RECONSTRUCTION
In normal circumstances a major focus at present would our be preparation for the Club AGM. We are currently in discussion with a couple of parties with a view to forming plans to explore significant changes to the structure and future direction of the Club. This is with the solid intention of presenting these plans to our members at the AGM in July. However, it’s clear that a ‘normal’ face-to-face AGM is not possible in lock-down conditions. As a result, we’re left with the alternatives of an online meeting via a video conferencing platform during July, or potentially deferring the AGM to a time when gatherings are permitted – something which may be a viable alternative given the delay to the start of the season.

We are therefore keen to ensure that our season ticket database contains accurate contact details for all of our members. With this in mind, we would be grateful if each Club member could please email the following information to [email protected] in order to allow accurate administration of this.

• Name & Address
• E-mail Address
• Contact Phone Number
• 2019/20 Season Ticket Number

Should you not have email access, please call or text the information to 07720 861369.

PLAYING SQUAD
Brechin City is continuing to take advantage of the government’s Job Retention Scheme to ensure that our wages obligation continues to be met during a time we have had no income. The contractual position is that we have three players under contract for next season – namely strikers Andy Jackson and Jimmy Scott, and goalkeeper Paddy O’Neil. The Manager has decided which players’ contracts will not be renewed and which players will be offered re-signing terms whilst also actively seeking new additions to the squad.

Supporters will doubtless understand that it is not easy to try and form a squad when we simply don’t know when training and competitive games will restart, what league structure will be in place, who our opponents will be – and ultimately a financial budget in which to operate.

GLEBE PARK STADIUM - CARE & MAINTENANCE
A few volunteers have been looking after the Stadium over the past few weeks ensuring the pitch and infrastructure are being well maintained. We are now at the stage where the Stadium Group members will be asked to start helping out with outdoor, socially-distanced ground improvement works as we would normally do in the close season. We have already had some new volunteers make themselves known, but we’ll always welcome more – so do feel free to step forward and contact the Club if you think you can help.

ONLINE LOTTERY
The position for the new role of an Online Lottery Manager for the Club has been filled, and supporters – both those who are local, and those further afield – should look forward to the upcoming launch of a new initiative to support Brechin City in these troubled times and beyond.

The Management Committee continues to appeal to everyone connected to Brechin City (and those who aren’t) to do everything possible to protect your physical and mental health and that of those around you. We urge you to continue to follow the public health guidance – stay at home, wash your hands regularly and observe the social distancing protocol.

Thanks for your ongoing support everyone – it’s very humbling – and stay safe.
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In my opinion, this is a responsible statement and one, which, I hope reflects the thoughts and attitudes of clubs in the lower divisions. The Premiership vote will be crucial and I hope that the Rangers’ proposal is kicked into touch when the time comes.

[CapitalGreen]

Somebody should really put forward a 12-12-10-10 proposal. I don’t see any leagues voting against that and would help out Partick, Stranraer, Brora and Kelty. It also wouldn’t see a number of League 1 teams essentially relegated to the bottom division.

[RoYO!]

Forgive me if it's been mentioned, but what on earth is the point of sending 11 talented, skillful young players up against journey/hatchet men. They wont last 2 minutes. As soon as one of the young boys rips them a new one they will be halved.

Zero point in that. They need game time, yes, but they also need guidance. Kenny Miller and Craig Brewster comes to mind.

[Col2]

Kickback now universally claiming victory for Hearts with a 14-10-10-10 set up.

Some are even counting down to when they will celebrate. Nobody acknowledging that this bring in 3 teams being relegated plus a play off to go back to 12 or that it’s a perm model without any voting. SPFL board will be mandating this with no discussion and because of threatened legal action. Someone said that the like of Ross county and “the other wee teams” will kick up a fuss but it’s ok as “money talks and we have loads of it”

The level of delusion is incredible.

[Ozyhibby]

Forgive me if it's been mentioned, but what on earth is the point of sending 11 talented, skillful young players up against journey/hatchet men. They wont last 2 minutes. As soon as one of the young boys rips them a new one they will be halved.

Zero point in that. They need game time, yes, but they also need guidance. Kenny Miller and Craig Brewster comes to mind.

They are not hatchett men in the lower leagues. They are all bloody good players who just never made it to the top level. They are all still better players than the majority of u20’s and there is a lot to be learned from playing against them.


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[Nakedmanoncrack]

Kickback now universally claiming victory for Hearts with a 14-10-10-10 set up.

Some are even counting down to when they will celebrate. Nobody acknowledging that this bring in 3 teams being relegated plus a play off to go back to 12 or that it’s a perm model without any voting. SPFL board will be mandating this with no discussion and because of threatened legal action. Someone said that the like of Ross county and “the other wee teams” will kick up a fuss but it’s ok as “money talks and we have loads of it”

The level of delusion is incredible.

It's one or two 'in the know' experts and everyone else falling in behind them.
This place has been the same in the past, and proved to be spectacularly wrong.

[Jim44]

Kickback now universally claiming victory for Hearts with a 14-10-10-10 set up.

Some are even counting down to when they will celebrate. Nobody acknowledging that this bring in 3 teams being relegated plus a play off to go back to 12 or that it’s a perm model without any voting. SPFL board will be mandating this with no discussion and because of threatened legal action. Someone said that the like of Ross county and “the other wee teams” will kick up a fuss but it’s ok as “money talks and we have loads of it”

The level of delusion is incredible.

So they see it as a unanimous Premiership vote in favour. Or at worst, an 11-1 victory, with us as the bad boys. Budge’s phone must have been red hot today.

[bingo70]

So they see it as a unanimous Premiership vote in favour. Or at worst, an 11-1 victory, with us as the bad boys. Budge’s phone must have been red hot today.

As long as we’re the bad guys and don’t vote for it then so be it

If the other clubs all vote for it nothing we can do about it so no point moaning, we’re as well just getting on with it.

If however Hibs vote for this to happen it’ll quite rightly be tantrum central on here and I very much include myself in that.

[Heisenberg]

Most of this chat seems to be coming from the same boy I quoted earlier. He’s taken the Brechin statement as confirmation that 14-10-10-10 is being voted in, probably because their chairman is on the SPFL board. Their statement does make it sound like the top league clubs want a 14 team league.

[Aldo]

So they see it as a unanimous Premiership vote in favour. Or at worst, an 11-1 victory, with us as the bad boys. Budge’s phone must have been red hot today.

Jim reading the post they think that Doncaster will be invoking the supposed ‘Emergency Clause’ to force it through even if the clubs don’t want it.


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[SouthMoroccoStu]

Kickback now universally claiming victory for Hearts with a 14-10-10-10 set up.

Some are even counting down to when they will celebrate. Nobody acknowledging that this bring in 3 teams being relegated plus a play off to go back to 12 or that it’s a perm model without any voting. SPFL board will be mandating this with no discussion and because of threatened legal action. Someone said that the like of Ross county and “the other wee teams” will kick up a fuss but it’s ok as “money talks and we have loads of it”

The level of delusion is incredible.

That lot wouldn’t know to expect Wednesday after Tuesday

Nowhere else is saying this but they have multiple “in the know” sources claiming victory

I, personally, am a wee tad sceptical

[Aldo]

As long as we’re the bad guys and don’t vote for it then so be it

If the other clubs all vote for it nothing we can do about it so no point moaning, we’re as well just getting on with it.

If however Hibs vote for this to happen it’ll quite rightly be tantrum central on here and I very much include myself in that.

Democratic vote and all that! I wonder if that’s why Budge has gone quiet?

I just cannot see it though Bingo. Aberdeen and Ross County have said no so far so if it’s 11-1 that’s it blown out the water. O and by all accounts St Mirren, whilst they’ve not said yes, appear to be leaning that way.


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[SouthMoroccoStu]

So...

Is there a vote tomorrow?!

Or is it more discussion due to the colt firm proposal?

[bingo70]

Democratic vote and all that! I wonder if that’s why Budge has gone quiet?

I just cannot see it though Bingo. Aberdeen and Ross County have said no so far so if it’s 11-1 that’s it blown out the water. O and by all accounts St Mirren, whilst they’ve not said yes, appear to be leaning that way.


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Ross county statement worried me to be honest.

They said no to the colts team this year as it’s too soon, In theory they’re in agreement with the rest of the plan then. I think they’ll be open to a restructure to suit Hearts now but then look to get the colts into the lower leagues at a later time. I think Rangers also said they recognised that it would probably be too soon for the colts next season.

[Billy Whizz]

Ross county statement worried me to be honest.

They said no to the colts team this year as it’s too soon, In theory they’re in agreement with the rest of the plan then. I think they’ll be open to a restructure to suit Hearts now but then look to get the colts into the lower leagues at a later time. I think Rangers also said they recognised that it would probably be too soon for the colts next season.

Roy McGregor said this is not the time for any sort of reconstruction

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Can’t believe any team are happy to “help” rangers and celtic develop their youth and fringe players

[bingo70]

Roy McGregor said this is not the time for any sort of reconstruction

Good, hope he sticks to his guns then. The bit I read left some room to agree to a deal of sorts this season, i was maybe just being paranoid though.

[Since452]

Kickback now universally claiming victory for Hearts with a 14-10-10-10 set up.

Some are even counting down to when they will celebrate. Nobody acknowledging that this bring in 3 teams being relegated plus a play off to go back to 12 or that it’s a perm model without any voting. SPFL board will be mandating this with no discussion and because of threatened legal action. Someone said that the like of Ross county and “the other wee teams” will kick up a fuss but it’s ok as “money talks and we have loads of it”

The level of delusion is incredible.

Kickback know diddly squat