NO to reconstruction

[Glory Lurker]

He said "from what Im hearing theres things bubbling and there will be news tomorrow". Take out of that what you will.

Maybe the jambos are bubbling just now and SPFL has given Sportsound exclusive on details of the Championship fixture list? :-)

[Heisenberg]

He said "from what Im hearing theres things bubbling and there will be news tomorrow". Take out of that what you will.

Budgie has absolutely been in his ear then. Hopefully it’s negative news for Hearts. Although to be fair, of course there’s things bubbling and of course there will be news tomorrow given all clubs are basically unofficially voting on reconstruction today.

[Keith_M]

The league is due to start on August 1st, i.e. in eight weeks time.

To be able to prepare for this, clubs will have to have received the fixture list well in advance. Sky will want to know the fixtures pretty soon as well, so they can arrange which are being shown and when.

If they continue with this laborious reorganisation process, it will delay these fixtures by another few weeks at least, as we're still nowhere near the final vote on whether it's going ahead.

IMHO, the time has long since passed for telling Hearts that it's just too late and the option is now off the table.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Tom English hinting breaking news on tomorrow Sportsound(mentioned it on today's podcast) I'm nervous!

English and the rest of those silly twats on Sportsound can barely break wind nevermind news

[007]

Tom English hinting breaking news on tomorrow Sportsound(mentioned it on today's podcast) I'm nervous!

He said he's thinking of taking a break after this week, things might calm down. Then again, they might not. From what he's hearing there are things bubbling.

My initial thought was reconstruction either agreed or forced however if it is the big things about to happen that he's hinting at then it could be court proceedings starting. Mind you, he's a "journalist" so you'd expect him to exaggerate it.

[Aldo]

You can guarantee if this gets a positive response or the ‘Yes’ we would consider it, Budge will shout it from the rooftops.

As it stands we are one week into June and usually the fixtures are revealed around the 3rd Thursday.

I hope it’s ended today as we surely cannot keep going round the houses with this!


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[EskbankHibby]

If there is any 'breaking news' it's bad for the Jambos (?breaking bad).

No way is there the level of unity required at this stage for any 'breaking news'to be positive. There has however been ample time for enough clubs to bin the idea as the Aberdeen boy has.

[Dashing Bob S]

The only thing bubbling is kickback

[northgreen24]

So there’s a big decision but everyone has said nothing but someone has spoke to to only tom English who will reveal all tomorrow .............surely can only be court action

[Sir David Gray]

The league is due to start on August 1st, i.e. in eight weeks time.

To be able to prepare for this, clubs will have to have received the fixture list well in advance. Sky will want to know the fixtures pretty soon as well, so they can arrange which are being shown and when.

If they continue with this laborious reorganisation process, it will delay these fixtures by another few weeks at least, as we're still nowhere near the final vote on whether it's going ahead.

IMHO, the time has long since passed for telling Hearts that it's just too late and the option is now off the table.

To be fair the fixtures aren't usually released until later in June. Still a couple of weeks left for that although I agree in general.

[Callum_62]

Longer this goes on the more likely reconstruction will happen i reckon

[Gloucester Hibs]

So there’s a big decision but everyone has said nothing but someone has spoke to to only tom English who will reveal all tomorrow .............surely can only be court action

Time to unleash Leslie Deans and his crack team of conveyancers

[Wakeyhibee]

My moneys on 14-10-10-10 (2 years) and another philanthropic donation, somewhere in the region of £2.75m maybe more if they've twisted his arm.

[we are hibs]

Fixtures arent being released until early July

[AltheHibby]

The only thing bubbling is kickback

This is actually news from 1986 and I believe it refers to the Dens Park toilets.

[Real Emerald]

Longer this goes on the more likely reconstruction will happen i reckon

I disagree, the longer it goes on there’s less chance of it happening. In order to reconstruct the whole of Scottish football would need agreements in money, voting, exit strategy and format are amongst the things that come to mind. Getting this all drawn up and getting clubs to agree with it all would take months. So IMO, it is already on borrowed time.

[Joe6-2]

He said he's thinking of taking a break after this week, things might calm down. Then again, they might not. From what he's hearing there are things bubbling.

My initial thought was reconstruction either agreed or forced however if it is the big things about to happen that he's hinting at then it could be court proceedings starting. Mind you, he's a "journalist" so you'd expect him to exaggerate it.

And get it wrong!
I just feel Doncaster has been ‘got at’ and everything possible (including bribery) getting done to force this through

[Lee Marvin]

If there is 'big news' in the next 24 hrs relating to Hearts, it can only be that they are going to court. It cannot be that reconstruction is happening as there has not even been a formal vote! Even if most clubs have stated that they are amenable to making the change, this is not news in the sense that English is stating.

moreover, the deadline was still 6 hrs away from the time of this quote. I think it would be highly improbable that Hearts would have been made aware that reconstruction was looking likely as every club will have had to have stated their position by then. On the flip side, it'll only take 2/3 clubs to have indicated they are against it for the whole thing to become a non-starter.

[Heisenberg]

My moneys on 14-10-10-10 (2 years) and another philanthropic donation, somewhere in the region of £2.75m maybe more if they've twisted his arm.

Too many lower league teams against that, imo.

[JohnMcM]

He said "from what Im hearing theres things bubbling and there will be news tomorrow". Take out of that what you will.

After the furore with the Dundee vote farce I cannot believe he is hearing anything official from SPFL sources. That would be suicidal by them to leak anything before 5pm tonight.

He's just being Tom English again.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

After the furore with the Dundee vote farce I cannot believe he is hearing anything official from SPFL sources. That would be suicidal by them to leak anything before 5pm tonight.

He's just being Tom English again.

He likes the attention bless him

Maybe he wasn’t breastfeed as a child

[Fuzzywuzzy]

That would fit the Tom English agenda perfectly TBH. 👍

Agenda or propoganda?

[Wakeyhibee]

Too many lower league teams against that, imo.

Before 50k allows them to mothball until fans allowed back in, there might be more yet. I honestly don't think the £2m is the end of it.

I hope I'm wrong

[Kato]

The only thing bubbling is kickback

...and a huge pot of Championship soup for the Flumpos.

[EI255]

After the furore with the Dundee vote farce I cannot believe he is hearing anything official from SPFL sources. That would be suicidal by them to leak anything before 5pm tonight.

He's just being Tom English again.Got a reply from BBC after filing a complaint against TE and was basically told in no uncertain terms that there was no case to answer. Why would there be? Its the BBC!

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[JeMeSouviens]

My guess is this keeps rumbling on.

Few clubs will rule it out altogether but they'll all have their own ideas about conditions that should apply. Eventually, they'll realise there's no way to keep everybody happy. I'd be very surprised if there's ever a formal vote on a proper proposal.

Then I really, really want the court case. Don't let us down, Ann! :pray:

:lolyam:

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Got a reply from BBC after filing a complaint against TE and was basically told in no uncertain terms that there was no case to answer. Why would there be? Its the BBC!

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English Barstewards

See what I did there...

[Waxy]

How can the clubs vote when a proper proposal hasnt been made?
Wasn't Budge told she had so many days to get a proposal together?
These proposals have to be legally spot on, not this back of a fag packet effort
She took an age and came back with garbage, telling the clubs they had to find a solution?
Then got the Big Duncan loadslolly Anderson to bribe everyone?
How anyone could think this could happen i do not know.
Whata shambles.
You finished the season bottom.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

How can the clubs vote when a proper proposal hasnt been made?
Wasn't Budge told she had so many days to get a proposal together?
These proposals have to be legally spot on, not this back of a fag packet effort
She took an age and came back with garbage, telling the clubs they had to find a solution?
Then got the Big Duncan loadslolly Anderson to bribe everyone?
How anyone could think this could happen i do not know.
Whata shambles.
You finished the season bottom.

I copied this from another poster on here to use against gorgie puddle drinkers

Sorry I can’t remember who but you’re absolutely correct in the following point

“A competent and professionally-written proposal ought to have included case studies from any foreign leagues where a similar set up operates, what the impacts on crowds have been, whether fans are happy with it. If any leagues have moved from a similar format to a smaller league/more divisions format how was that managed and what was the impact. They've had months to do the research and analysis. The lazy, amateurish garbage they'e come up with is insulting to the rest of Scottish football and they ought to be embarrassed by it."

[green day]

Tom English is a slaver.

He has been wrong about pretty much everything since the last match was played.

He has been made to look like an idiot and the only people who seem to believe he carries any weight ate his pals on Sportsound and Ann Budge.

As has been mentioned upthread - there hasnt been a vote, and its unlikely there will be a vote on Budges proposal as it doesnt have enough support.

Hence the only "shock news" will be Hearts are taking the rest of Scottish Football to court - which isnt a surprise at all.

English is a fud.

[Waxy]

I copied this from another poster on here to use against gorgie puddle drinkers

Sorry I can’t remember who but you’re absolutely correct in the following point

“A competent and professionally-written proposal ought to have included case studies from any foreign leagues where a similar set up operates, what the impacts on crowds have been, whether fans are happy with it. If any leagues have moved from a similar format to a smaller league/more divisions format how was that managed and what was the impact. They've had months to do the research and analysis. The lazy, amateurish garbage they'e come up with is insulting to the rest of Scottish football and they ought to be embarrassed by it."
Exactly. We're heading towards the middle of June now and this needed binned weeks ago.
Hearts have to take what's due to them. Cant finish bottom and expect to stay up.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Tom English hinting breaking news on tomorrow Sportsound(mentioned it on today's podcast) I'm nervous!

It will be Budges response to her abject failure announcing either

1. We graciously accept the overwhelming view of the clubs and shall gracefully accept our fate

Or

2.A Budgie rant condemning the vote as everyone voted for their own self interest so... up yours we will see you in court. In meantime we are joining the Faroese League as we will qualify for Europe every year🤯🤯🤯

[cookin_on_gaz]

Ann Budge should never have been any where near reconstruction plans. She has far too much of a vested interest in the outcome, therefore biased in her input.

You can just imagine the maroon painted west wing of her mansion full of whiteboards with flow charts etc on how to save Scottish football, and in the centre of each one is poorly drawn hearts badge. It's all about them!


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[Springbank]

It will be Budges response to her abject failure announcing either

1. We graciously accept the overwhelming view of the clubs and shall gracefully accept our fate

Or

2.A Budgie rant condemning the vote as everyone voted for their own self interest so... up yours we will see you in court. In meantime we are joining the Faroese League as we will qualify for Europe every year🤯🤯🤯

Hearts 400k support travelling fortnightly to the Faroes would surely usher in THE GOLDEN AGE OF CALEDONIAN MACBRAYNE!

I hope the BBC fly on the wall guys do season 2, "Hearts - they're away with the Faroes"

[calumhibee1]

So another day is most likely going to pass when there was supposed to be some clarity. Shock horror.

[CapitalGreen]

So another day is most likely going to pass when there was supposed to be some clarity. Shock horror.

The deadline for indicative responses is 5pm. I wouldn’t expect anything before then, especially with what happened last time.

[bingo70]

The deadline for indicative responses is 5pm. I wouldn’t expect anything before then, especially with what happened last time.

What happened last time isn’t really relevant as that was a vote, this was feedback.

I think clubs should be sharing with their fans what feedback they’ve given, don’t see why it needs to be a secret?

If Hibs have said they don’t back a 14 team league there’s no shortage of reasons we could give tactfully without just saying we don’t want it because they’re a shower of Hearts *******s.

If we are suggesting alternative reconstruction plans, as Doncaster seemed to want, then there must be good reasons for that so they should be able to tell us what those reasons were and what we are suggesting as an alternative.

Hibs have been great through this crisis so far so I’ve no reason to doubt those running the club, I just think with all that’s going on it’d be a good idea to keep communications as they have been with the fans.

[Paul1642]

I think we can all wait a few extra hours for the sake of avoiding more claims of bullying ext

[Since452]

BREAKING NEWS. SPFL clubs show no support for Ann Budge's reconstruction plan. Hearts supremo Ann Budge to submit a new reconstruction proposal to member clubs with an answer expected by end of next week.

[nonshinyfinish]

BREAKING NEWS. SPFL clubs show no support for Ann Budge's reconstruction plan. Hearts supremo Ann Budge to submit a reconstruction proposal to member clubs with an answer expected by end of next week.

Reported where?

(Or is this just what you expect?)

[Since452]

Reported where?

(Or is this just what you expect?)

What I expect. Don't think anything will be announced before 5pm

[04Sauzee]

Reported where?

(Or is this just what you expect?)

Reported on Hib.net 😅

[Stairway 2 7]

Well word it like that rather than breaking news

[nonshinyfinish]

What I expect. Don't think anything will be announced before 5pm

Ah right, I'm champing at the bit for them to be emptied again, so my brain's beginning to unwind.

[Since452]

Well word it like that rather than breaking news

Sorry dad. Was obviously tounge in cheek

[SouthMoroccoStu]

BREAKING NEWS. SPFL clubs show no support for Ann Budge's reconstruction plan. Hearts supremo Ann Budge to submit a new reconstruction proposal to member clubs with an answer expected by end of next week.

Salt and Source?

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Sorry dad. Was obviously tounge in cheek

Sorry pal

That’s a yellow card

[Mikey]

Sorry dad. Was obviously tounge in cheek

Wasn't really obvious.

[Irish_Steve]

There will be the usual clamour to see who can break the news first. Meanwhile, I'll still be trying to work out how to copy and paste on my phone!

[Onion]

The deadline for indicative responses is 5pm. I wouldn’t expect anything before then, especially with what happened last time.

What I don't get is why would any club have to leave it to 4.59pm to submit a view on something they've had weeks to think about. If the money from the Hearts fan is irrelevant, then the permutations are the same as they were 6 weeks ago.

All the views should be in so no need for the SPFL to wait until 5.

4 mins to go :greengrin

[Hibeesmad]

Tick tock

[JohnMcM]

2 minutes:greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Wouldn't get too excited btw. This is only the top 2 divisions. League 1&2 have until Tuesday ...

[Lee Marvin]

Resident Kickback ITKer's teasing that good news is coming the ****bos way....

[Irish_Steve]

Wouldn't get too excited btw. This is only the top 2 divisions. League 1&2 have until Tuesday ...

Surely if the top league reject it then it's dead in the water

[JohnMcM]

It's after 5pm now. I demand a statement. A statement from anyone will do please.

[Irish_Steve]

Statement: Hearts are *****

[Stuart93]

Resident Kickback ITKer's teasing that good news is coming the ****bos way....

I’m sure they’d know...3 minutes after the deadline

[matty_f]

Nothing would be decided today anyway, even if all the clubs said "aye, that sounds alright" it would then need to go to a formal vote to get passed. Wouldn't bank on everyone agreeing at that point either.

[JohnMcM]

I'm hearing that Tom English heard something earlier today that he will tell us about tomorrow after reading the papers :greengrin

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Resident Kickback ITKer's teasing that good news is coming the ****bos way....

Hibs.net teasing that it’s bad news for the jambos

There, balance restored

[Jim44]

Surely if the top league reject it then it's dead in the water

I don’t think it will be. Doncaster will give Budge more time to kick it about a bit and he will want to take time to listen to the responses and issues that clubs have re. his 5 year plan so that together they will get reconstruction through, by hell or high water.

[bingo70]

Nothing would be decided today anyway, even if all the clubs said "aye, that sounds alright" it would then need to go to a formal vote to get passed. Wouldn't bank on everyone agreeing at that point either.

If all the clubs said “nah, reconstruction is a stupid idea, get down and stay down ya jambo *******s” that would tell us that the idea of reconstruction has been decided and put to bed once and for all.

[greenpaper55]

Joking aside you would think that the SPFL would give fans an update as to what's going on seeing that we the fans are the lifeblood of the game !

[matty_f]

If all the clubs said “nah, reconstruction is a stupid idea, get down and stay down ya jambo *******s” that would tell us that the idea of reconstruction has been decided and put to bed once and for all.

Yes, I agree - and hopefully that's the case. Was more mashing the point that even something that looks like good news for Hearts today could still go hilariously wrong for them.

[Waxy]

Joke even calling it reconstruction.It's deconstruction if it's worse than it was.
Cant be doing with radio hearts again this weekend.
This is brutal.

[Lee Marvin]

Joke even calling it reconstruction.It's deconstruction if it's worse than it was.
Cant be doing with radio hearts again this weekend.
This is brutal.

If this hasn't been officially canned by this weekend, it's going to get bulldozed through IMO

[nonshinyfinish]

Joking aside you would think that the SPFL would give fans an update as to what's going on seeing that we the fans are the lifeblood of the game !

It might take them a while to collate 41 different versions of what clubs want changed in order to gain their support. Particularly as we know some clubs will take any opportunity to bang out 1500 meandering words.

[Bristolhibby]

We will be into season 56-57 and Hearts and the SPFL will still be talking about reconstruction.

[Bostonhibby]

It might take them a while to collate 41 different versions of what clubs want changed in order to gain their support. Particularly as we know some clubs will take any opportunity to bang out 1500 meandering words.And then Budge and Phil have to get a chance to work through all the no voters objections to see how they can be overcome and how much they need to throw at it?

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[bingo70]

If this hasn't been officially canned by this weekend, it's going to get bulldozed through IMO

I suspect you’re right.

The clubs won’t want to waste any more time on it with the season so close to starting unless it’s a goer.

[JohnMcM]

Joking aside you would think that the SPFL would give fans an update as to what's going on seeing that we the fans are the lifeblood of the game !

I'm struggling to remember the last time we were given any consideration by the SPFL or SFA. Seriously, I'm struggling.

[nonshinyfinish]

And then Budge and Phil have to get a chance to work through all the no voters objections to see how they can be overcome and how much they need to throw at it?

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I assume that's what they're hoping for, but my assumption is that many of the demands will be contradictory. We've already seen that going from two years to five years lost Aberdeen's support – I can't see that it'll be possible to meet the demands of enough clubs to force it through. Unless, that is, a majority of clubs are just saying 'give us cash and we'll do whatever'.

[Waxy]

If this hasn't been officially canned by this weekend, it's going to get bulldozed through IMODont see how it can.SPFL is a democracy in major things like this.It has to be voted on or binned.

[Jim44]

Let’s face it, Budge and Doncaster might as well come out and say, ‘We will not accept rejection of reconstruction. We will take all the time we need to bribe, coerce, bore or bully you into acceptance.

[Lee Marvin]

Dont see how it can.SPFL is a democracy in major things like this.It has to be voted on or binned.

SPFL and Doncaster can be very persuasive if rumours are to be believed.

[Bostonhibby]

I assume that's what they're hoping for, but my assumption is that many of the demands will be contradictory. We've already seen that going from two years to five years lost Aberdeen's support – I can't see that it'll be possible to meet the demands of enough clubs to force it through. Unless, that is, a majority of clubs are just saying 'give us cash and we'll do whatever'.That's the way I'm actually thinking, just really disappointing that this small vested interest group are really driving the timeline on this and its not really about the majority or the general welfare of Scottish football at all.

Budge and Phil weren't interested in any change until Hearts flopped against St Mirren, again.

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[Stuart93]

Let’s face it, Budge and Doncaster might as well come out and say, ‘We will not accept rejection of reconstruction. We will take all the time we need to bribe, coerce, bore or bully you into acceptance.

You’re right that’s exactly what they’re doing. Surely clubs will tell them soon that from this point they’ll not be listening to any further reconstruction plans

[Real Emerald]

If this hasn't been officially canned by this weekend, it's going to get bulldozed through IMO

It can’t be bulldozed through against the wishes of the majority of clubs. It would require a vote under the current rules to change it.

[Lee Marvin]

It can’t be bulldozed through against the wishes of the majority of clubs. It would require a vote under the current rules to change it.

I suspect Doncaster is trying to convince the clubs that the SPFL might lose the legal challenge from Hearts. He clearly does not want a legal case.

Borthwick just tweeted that the Belgian team who were relegated have won their case..

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

I suspect Doncaster is trying to convince the clubs that the SPFL might lose the legal challenge from Hearts. He clearly does not want a legal case.

Borthwick just tweeted that the Belgian team who were relegated have won their case..

But the French team lost theirs.

[Kojock]

I suspect Doncaster is trying to convince the clubs that the SPFL might lose the legal challenge from Hearts. He clearly does not want a legal case.

Borthwick just tweeted that the Belgian team who were relegated have won their case..

What’s the Competition Authority ??

Jamie Borthwick
✔
@jamiekborthwick
The 'competition authority' in Belgium has ruled the relegation of Waasland-Beveren is illegal. Interesting to see what happens next.

[04Sauzee]

I suspect Doncaster is trying to convince the clubs that the SPFL might lose the legal challenge from Hearts. He clearly does not want a legal case.

Borthwick just tweeted that the Belgian team who were relegated have won their case..

Not sure it's as clear as then winning their case?

https://m.rtl.be/sport/1223028

[04Sauzee]

What’s the Competition Authority ??

Jamie Borthwick
✔
@jamiekborthwick
The 'competition authority' in Belgium has ruled the relegation of Waasland-Beveren is illegal. Interesting to see what happens next.

https://www.belgiancompetition.be/en/about-us

[James Stephen]

What’s the Competition Authority ??

Jamie Borthwick
✔
@jamiekborthwick
The 'competition authority' in Belgium has ruled the relegation of Waasland-Beveren is illegal. Interesting to see what happens next.

If thats the case, surely the title and european places, not to mention Hibs dropping to 7th would be similarly illegal?

[Jim44]

I suspect Doncaster is trying to convince the clubs that the SPFL might lose the legal challenge from Hearts. He clearly does not want a legal case.

Borthwick just tweeted that the Belgian team who were relegated have won their case..

Firstly, what does the victory of that Belgian team mean in effect, ....... will they be reinstated? Or will they get some sort of financial compensation? What does Doncaster fear from legal action from Hearts?

[marinello59]

What’s the Competition Authority ??

Jamie Borthwick
✔
@jamiekborthwick
The 'competition authority' in Belgium has ruled the relegation of Waasland-Beveren is illegal. Interesting to see what happens next.

Different league, different constitution and rules. It really has no bearing on Hearts .

[Lee Marvin]

Firstly, what does the victory of that Belgian team mean in effect, ....... will they be reinstated? Or will they get some sort of financial compensation? What does Doncaster fear from legal action from Hearts?

To your first question, no idea - clearly. But, doncaster could fear both and think the best think to do is avoid the courts. To.do that, Hearts need to be appeased.

[tamig]

But the French team lost theirs.

Exactly. And we’re not in Belgium. And if any case was raised, it would take months to come to court here.

[Real Emerald]

To your first question, no idea - clearly. But, doncaster could fear both and think the best think to do is avoid the courts. To.do that, Hearts need to be appeased.

The SPFL have followed the rules and procedures drawn up to cover circumstances like this which all clubs agreed to at the inception of the SPFL. They have had a democratic vote based on these rules. What laws have been broken? Unless of course there are things we don’t know. I would think the bribe/sweetener looks the most dodgy thing that’s happened.

[tamig]

To your first question, no idea - clearly. But, doncaster could fear both and think the best think to do is avoid the courts. To.do that, Hearts need to be appeased.

Why would Doncaster fear anything? The rules have been applied and followed. I’m sure one of the greatest legal minds in the land recently cast doubt that anything illegal had taken place.

[CropleyWasGod]

If thats the case, surely the title and european places, not to mention Hibs dropping to 7th would be similarly illegal?

Why would the decision of a Belgian court have an effect on Scotland?

[Wakeyhibee]

Belgium league relegate at the split after 30 games before the play-offs. There was 1 game to go with Waasland 2pts adrift at the bottom and a home game to Ghent. Oostende needed a draw away to Cercle Bruges to be safe.

I don't think this has any bearing on the SPFL but I can see why they are trying.

[04Sauzee]

Mind when Budge said in front of the TV cameras that if the season was ended and they decided Hearts were relegated that she would accept it.

[greenginger]

Exactly. And we’re not in Belgium. And if any case was raised, it would take months to come to court here.

Did the Belgium club vote to end their season and accept their end of season payout likes HoMFC did ?

[Stuart93]

Why would the decision of a Belgian court have an effect on Scotland?

It probably doesn’t but the jambo sympathising STV reporter has an agenda to try put across

[Waxy]

Belgium and France didnt end their leagues with a democratic vote like we did.
Their governing bodies took the decision themselves.
That's the big difference here.

[tamig]

Mind when Budge said in front of the TV cameras that if the season was ended and they decided Hearts were relegated that she would accept it.

When did she say that? I honestly can’t remember that one.

[CropleyWasGod]

Did the Belgium club vote to end their season and accept their end of season payout likes HoMFC did ?

Belgium have the Flemish.

Scotland has the Phlegms.

[jonny]

No surprise but the Aberdeen chairman has just come out and reaffirmed that they won't support a 14 team league for 5 years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/52922749

[04Sauzee]

When did she say that? I honestly can’t remember that one.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11971169/budge-i-dont-believe-this-will-be-supported

[04Sauzee]

No surprise but the Aberdeen chairman has just come out and reaffirmed that they won't support a 14 team league for 5 years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/52922749

Is that not dated yesterday?

[EI255]

Still waiting for today's announcement.....???

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[SouthMoroccoStu]

Still waiting for today's announcement.....???

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Don’t worry

Sportsound and Tom English will just make it up tomorrow

[Jim44]

Exactly. And we’re not in Belgium. And if any case was raised, it would take months to come to court here.

Some of the maroon muppets are hoping that there would be an interdict to stop the leagues going ahead completely and to bring Scottish football to it’s knees.

[Stuart93]

Some of the maroon muppets are hoping that there would be an interdict to stop the leagues going ahead completely and to bring Scottish football to it’s knees.

The same Scottish football they’re part of hahaha

Theyre a strange bunch

[McD]

The same Scottish football they’re part of hahaha

Theyre a strange bunch


and the same Scottish football they’re forever going on about trying to save....:confused:


idiots

[Cat Stanton]

Belgium have the Flemish.

Scotland has the Phlegms.

I hate emojis. But if I liked/used them, there would be a big, fat, smiley one here.

[we are hibs]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1291984/SPFL-Sky-Sports-deal-devalued-additional-games-exclusive

[Green Blood]

Said it before and will do so again it is a fait accompli, a done deal. As soon as money was mentioned, a clear bribe nothing else, they were saved. News blackout, in fact nothing this week of note has leaked.

Stinks of corruption, wait for it, when its announced they are to remain in the premier league it will all kick off. By saying nothing at all speaks volumes! It is rancid in the upper echelons of the Scottish game at present!

Suddenly the 4.75 million is only 2 million, guess the other 2.75 million goes to the spfl's coffers to distribute to all clubs after retaining a fee for services rendered! Its normal now to see drugs taken by athletes and cyclist's to be the best at their sport and nobody bats an eye, it seems also to be the case in the Scottish game, fairness and sporting integrity mean nothing, its money that talks!

[SouthMoroccoStu]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1291984/SPFL-Sky-Sports-deal-devalued-additional-games-exclusive

All to help hearts

****ing unbelievable

[660]

Said it before and will do so again it is a fait accompli, a done deal. As soon as money was mentioned, a clear bribe nothing else, they were saved. News blackout, in fact nothing this week of note has leaked.

Stinks of corruption, wait for it, when its announced they are to remain in the premier league it will all kick off. By saying nothing at all speaks volumes! Its rancid is the upper echelons of the Scottish game at present!

Suddenly the 4.75 million is only 2 million, guess the other 2.75 million goes to the spfl's coffers to distribute to all clubs after retaining a fee for services rendered! Its normal now to see drugs taken by athletes and cyclist's to be the best at their sport and nobody bats an eye, it seems also to be the case in the Scottish game, fairness and sporting integrity mean nothing, its money that talks!

Calm down the clubs have to vote for it

[Heisenberg]

Said it before and will do so again it is a fait accompli, a done deal. As soon as money was mentioned, a clear bribe nothing else, they were saved. News blackout, in fact nothing this week of note has leaked.

Stinks of corruption, wait for it, when its announced they are to remain in the premier league it will all kick off. By saying nothing at all speaks volumes! It is rancid in the upper echelons of the Scottish game at present!

Suddenly the 4.75 million is only 2 million, guess the other 2.75 million goes to the spfl's coffers to distribute to all clubs after retaining a fee for services rendered! Its normal now to see drugs taken by athletes and cyclist's to be the best at their sport and nobody bats an eye, it seems also to be the case in the Scottish game, fairness and sporting integrity mean nothing, its money that talks!

It can’t just happen. They need to have a vote and still have a lot of convincing to do throughout the leagues.

[Iggy Pope]

All to help hearts

****ing unbelievable

I’m missing something. The article talks about more games on Sky for one season. Doesn’t say anything about more clubs. Or Hearts.

[Springbank]

The immovable obstacle for hearts is that reconstruction would require member clubs to accept less money in prize money just to help hearts...who have £9m benefactor and still were Scotland's twelfth club.

No club worth their salt will vote for less money & increasing uncertainty imo

[CropleyWasGod]

I’m missing something. The article talks about more games on Sky for one season. Doesn’t say anything about more clubs. Or Hearts.

Get with it FFS.

Everything the SPFL,SFA,Sky, BBC Scotland, the Daily Record, the Tories, the Donald do these days is to help Hearts.

🙄

[Billy Whizz]

I’m missing something. The article talks about more games on Sky for one season. Doesn’t say anything about more clubs. Or Hearts.

This was spoken about yesterday, and all agreed the SPFL got a good deal, as it could have been £5m

[Iggy Pope]

Get with it FFS.

Everything the SPFL,SFA,Sky, BBC Scotland, the Daily Record, the Tories, the Donald do these days is to help Hearts.

🙄

**** that, I’m Belgian.

[Iggy Pope]

This was spoken about yesterday, and all agreed the SPFL got a good deal, as it could have been £5m

Still nothing to do with more teams or Hearts then.

[H18 SFR]

All to help hearts

****ing unbelievable

How would this help Hearts? Sorry if I am being thick!

[Mikey]

2 hours and still nothing...........

[Irish_Steve]

All to help hearts

****ing unbelievable

As far as I can see, that`s just a more in-depth look at the Sky announcement of a few days ago, nothing to do with reconstruction

[CropleyWasGod]

**** that, I’m Belgian.

Pseudo-french ******* (Cleese, J.)

[jacomo]

I’m missing something. The article talks about more games on Sky for one season. Doesn’t say anything about more clubs. Or Hearts.


Doesn’t matter. Get furious and run your mouth off anyway!

[JohnMcM]

2 hours and still nothing...........

Baffling to have this silence from everyone involved.

[ancient hibee]

Baffling to have this silence from everyone involved.

Too busy setting up escape routes with guaranteed safe conduct.

[MrSmith]

Baffling to have this silence from everyone involved.

will be slipped out quietly during the wee hours to ensure least outrage! Hearts will get the what they want.

[Waxy]

2 hours and still nothing...........If 10 or more premier clubs had emailed their intentions was to vote for this half proposal, it would have been out by now.
It has to be dead.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

If 10 or more premier clubs had emailed their intentions was to vote for this half proposal, it would have been out by now.
It has to be dead.

They’re probably trying to avoid another Dundee situation

[Real Emerald]

Baffling to have this silence from everyone involved.

If reports that div 1 and 2 have until Tuesday they’re maybe giving them the courtesy of waiting until all clubs have had their say. I’m not sure how accurate the previously mentioned Tuesday deadline is though?

[Keith_M]

All to help hearts

****ing unbelievable


After reading the article, I see absolutely nothing in there that suggests this has anything to do with Hearts.

It's a renegotiation of the deal based on the repayment due to Sky for being unable to broadcast some of the games.

[Onion]

If 10 or more premier clubs had emailed their intentions was to vote for this half proposal, it would have been out by now.
It has to be dead.

That's one way of looking at it, which I like. The other is they're all too busy crafting statements to justify the change of mind and how this has absolutely nothing to do with a brown paper envelope they received for some random Hearts fan.

[Kaff]

As far as I can see, that`s just a more in-depth look at the Sky announcement of a few days ago, nothing to do with reconstruction

I would say it's proof that there's planning going on for 12 team league, if it was to be 14 then the extra games would be absorbed by the 2 extra clubs and the increase in home games per club would not be so noticeable.

[tamig]

They’re probably trying to avoid another Dundee situation

This isn’t a vote though.

[007]

After reading the article, I see absolutely nothing in there that suggests this has anything to do with Hearts.

It's a renegotiation of the deal based on the repayment due to Sky for being unable to broadcast some of the games.

Yeah. Deal now not as good as previously stated when it was just costing £300k x 5 years. Still, seems fair enough that Sky get more games too, though 13 games seems a lot when they were paying about £520k per game. Presumably them allowing the virtual season tickets were also taken into consideration as part of the discussions so all in seems reasonably fair. Plus extra matches on Sky isn't a bad thing I suppose.

[Peevemor]

This isn’t a vote though.If enough clubs say that they're against reconstruction, it effectively becomes one.

[Lee Marvin]

If enough clubs say that they're against reconstruction, it effectively becomes one.

If this was the case, my gut is we would have heard by now..

I fear something is afoot. The silence is deafening

[Mikey]

If this was the case, my gut is we would have heard by now..

I fear something is afoot. The silence is deafening

Or it could be the other way round. Hearts are staying down and there will be statements released by the SPFL and Hearts at the same time.

It could just be a timing thing.

[Real Emerald]

If enough clubs say that they're against reconstruction, it effectively becomes one.

Exactly, there will only be a vote if it looks like it’s worth the time and effort and the figures are close enough from the clubs replies. They (SPFL) will know the figures by now as I imagine most clubs will know from their discussions too. I’m sure all clubs are planning on the status quo but reconstruction is not officially dead until probably Tuesday. The figures needed to vote this through are insurmountable IMO.

[Waxy]

Just cannot see clubs voting for it, and there would have to be a vote.
Once there’s a solid proposal.

[Real Emerald]

Just cannot see clubs voting for it, and there would have to be a vote.
Once there’s a solid proposal.

How long would a solid proposal that gets the required votes take to put together, it’s not happening. 👍

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Can’t believe they’ve managed to keep it quiet for nearly 3 hours

[EI255]

Some of the maroon muppets are hoping that there would be an interdict to stop the leagues going ahead completely and to bring Scottish football to it’s knees.So, they actually think Scottish football is more important than French football? Hmmm [emoji848]

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[Billy Whizz]

Can’t believe they’ve managed to keep it quiet for nearly 3 hours

Waiting for Tom English to have an exclusive tomorrow

[EI255]

As it stands, they still won't get nowhere near enough votes. It's not gonna change.

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[brog]

Belgium have the Flemish.

Scotland has the Phlegms.

Or The Walloons & The Balloons!! 😁

[greenpaper55]

The OF want their reserves in a re vamped league !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52941423

[rj1875]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52941423

[Real Emerald]

The OF want their reserves in a re vamped league !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52941423

This is getting silly now, as if it wasn’t before 😂

[greenpaper55]

The game is bent if this gets carried, i would be finished with it.

[007]

Not sure it's as clear as then winning their case?

https://m.rtl.be/sport/1223028


https://www.belgiancompetition.be/en/about-us


What’s the Competition Authority ??

Jamie Borthwick
✔
@jamiekborthwick
The 'competition authority' in Belgium has ruled the relegation of Waasland-Beveren is illegal. Interesting to see what happens next.

So they're an administrative authority rather than a court of law. Sounds like the Belgian team are over the first hurdle but they'd still have to win a court case. A formal decision one way or the other is still to be determined.

Regarding the Hearts court case, presumably if they won (highly unlikely though it is) it would be the court deeming that deciding final league position using the points per game method in invalid. I'd imagine that would then bring into question Celtic's title win so I'm not surprised Celtic are backing reconstruction. Maybe Lawwell is doing a lot of driving to push it through with big speeches on zoom calls like he did with the Rangers dossier. On the flip side, I am therefore surprised Rangers backed reconstruction as I'd have thought they'd want to see Hearts take it to court.

If it does go to court I'd expect Celtic to want the best lawyers fighting Hearts so maybe they'd get the chequebook out for some of the costs.

[Mikey]

The OF want their reserves in a re vamped league !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52941423

Another change that won't happen because it needs 11 top league teams to back it. Why should Rangers and Celtic get colt teams in the league and not other clubs?

And so it drags on...........

[Glory Lurker]

Reconstruction to off-set purported unfairness of a CV19-dictated outcome must surely mean both Hibs and St Johnstone get sixth-place prize money? That's a given, surely?

[Haymaker]

Full proposal by tuesday. Dear me this just won't **** off.

[Lee Marvin]

I'm out for good if this passes.

[Mikey]

The new proposal presumably means that Budge's efforts have got nowhere.

[Since452]

Full proposal by tuesday. Dear me this just won't **** off.

Getting extremely tedious now

[Waxy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52941423

Yeh lets make the old firm more powerful they already are.
Lets use the covid situation to shoehorn OF b teams in.
Only bribery and corruption can vote this in.

[007]

The OF want their reserves in a re vamped league !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52941423

Have only read the headline so far but helping make the 2 strongest clubs even stronger is a terrible idea for Scottish football.

[Mcpakeisgod]

😂😂😂😂shall we fire in our own as well and join the party

[Glory Lurker]

The new proposal presumably means that Budge's efforts have got nowhere.

I don't see that at all?

[Mikey]

Can't one club put forward a proposal that reconstruction is binned for now and we just get on with it? That would only need 9-3.

[Waxy]

Outrageous.
F o Scottish football.
Youd be better kicking these bigots out than doubling their teams.
Im out if any reconstruction goes through.

[Since452]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52941423

46 teams in the senior leagues. Exactly what we need in a country with a smaller population than that of London

[Heisenberg]

No chance I’d want to assist the old firm in making themselves stronger. Not sure this will get anymore backing in the lower leagues than the current proposals. Assuming it’s permanent it also won’t get the backing in the top league. Waste of time.

[Haymaker]

I don't see that at all?

Say that she's failed to get the recon done for the next two seasons but who knows.

Ridiculous idea anyway. Just get the **** on with it.

[JohnM1875]

My word. Some form of reconstruction is obviously going to be forced through for next season.

It's just getting mental now. I'm done even checking up on it anymore.

[Ronniekirk]

**** that, I’m Belgian.

Worst sewers I ever smelt was in Ghent Although drinking for three days solid may have contributed to that


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[Waxy]

I’d actually just rather vote for hearts reconstruction than rangers colt abomination.

[Glory Lurker]

Say that she's failed to get the recon done for the next two seasons but who knows.

Ridiculous idea anyway. Just get the **** on with it.

What? Are you suggesting I need to read the article properly before commenting? How very dare you! Reported, etc.

[Heisenberg]

My word. Some form of reconstruction is obviously going to be forced through for next season.

It's just getting mental now. I'm done even checking up on it anymore.

Well if it’s going to be forced through they’ll need to come up with a much better proposal than what we’ve seen so far. This latest one is dreadful.

[Robbo6-2]

Ill get jumped on fir this but putting aside Hearts will stay up this has been best proposal so far imo.

Certainly brings abit freshness to Scottish football. The partnership of Premiership clubs and teams in lower league is an interesting idea too.

We are forever moaning our youngsters dont get proper chance to develop at first team level.

Also nothing stopping us applying to put our B team in for our players development. 25k wouldn't break the bank.

[nonshinyfinish]

Say that she's failed to get the recon done for the next two seasons but who knows.

Ridiculous idea anyway. Just get the **** on with it.


What? Are you suggesting I need to read the article properly before commenting? How very dare you! Reported, etc.

I think that line refers to the original proposal, not Budge's current five-year effort.

Hard to keep track at this point.

[Real Emerald]

Are they actively trying to piss Scottish football fans off? Why would any team change the structure to allow Ranger/Celtic colts to be involved in the senior league structure. This has to end or Scottish football is finished. Tom English though 🙄

[GonzoReturns]

Ffs is everyone getting a turn absolute joke here’s a novel idea just leave things as they are get through the next 12 months and during that time let’s see what develops!!! Seriously Scottish football is burst.

[kaimendhibs]

This is an utter disgrace. Scottish football is losing and creditabilty it may have had

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[Greenworld]

Its difficult to take in what is going on a completely shambolic free for all. Right hearts you've had your turn now heres our ridiculous suggestion.
Hibs and other clubs are very quite throughout all of this but i guess what do you say.


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[Glory Lurker]

Hard to keep track at this point.

Yep. Definitely picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.

[Hibeesmad]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5672314/hearts-budge-reconstruction-plan-dead/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

[Haymaker]

What? Are you suggesting I need to read the article properly before commenting? How very dare you! Reported, etc.

:greengrin

[The Count]

I give up this is becoming a complete joke.All for one club unbelievable.

[JohnM1875]

Well if it’s going to be forced through they’ll need to come up with a much better proposal than what we’ve seen so far. This latest one is dreadful.

Its just never ending though isn't it? Seems to be one dreadful proposal after another.

If this needs the 11-1 premiership vote, which I'm sure it will. I then surely this can't pass.

[grunt]

Another change that won't happen because it needs 11 top league teams to back it. Why should Rangers and Celtic get colt teams in the league and not other clubs?

And so it drags on...........:agree:

[007]

What a load of p**h. Rangers trying to act altruistic when it is blatantly just to help strengthen them. Why can't teams just be upfront about their motives?

Chucking money to the lower leagues in the proposal to bribe them into voting for it. Where have I heard that before?

Oh and other Premiership clubs can apply in the future to put B teams into the higlhand or lowland league but Celtic and Rangers would get straight into League 1 next season. This is a taking the p***.

[Mikey]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5672314/hearts-budge-reconstruction-plan-dead/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


OVER AND OUT Hearts chief Ann Budge’s reconstruction plan officially dead after six clubs publicly reject it

Good stuff. And that's exactly why Rangers are now trying it on.

[we are hibs]

Most lower league fans would walk away if they had to face colt sides imo. From what ive heard its fiercely unpopular.

[Irish_Steve]

Maybe the Huns handed in the wrong dossier all those weeks ago!

[JohnMcM]

The OF want their reserves in a re vamped league !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52941423


Look at who wrote that article.
Look at what the same person said a few hours ago about "I'm hearing there's something bubbling" or words to that effect.
Look very closely about the use of money to be paid to bottom tier clubs.
Since when did any team have to pay money to join the bottom tier league?

This is either more Tom English guff or another example of money maybe being more important than the integrity of our game.

Something stinking here when you look at the Hearts, Anderson and now Old Firm B team desires.

[Peevemor]

This has gone from pathetic to disgusting.

The huns, having bounced back from liquidation, are still a financial basket case but they're willing to chuck money at the lower league teams to buy their votes to get their way.

Brutal!

[grunt]

Plus it retains the idea of a 6/8 split in the Premiership which means that there's nothing to play for from February onwards for clubs in the middle of the league?

[Real Emerald]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5672314/hearts-budge-reconstruction-plan-dead/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Of course it’s dead, Tom English is a disgrace keeping this propaganda going. The clubs who are kicking this out (including us) need to become public now and rubbish any ridiculous reconstruction plans that won’t pass a vote. We’re trying to plan for next season, sell season tickets and virtual season tickets, it has to stop. I would have advocated silence from Hibs before but the BBC need to be silenced on this now.

[Irish_Steve]

Ill get jumped on fir this but putting aside Hearts will stay up this has been best proposal so far imo.

Certainly brings abit freshness to Scottish football. The partnership of Premiership clubs and teams in lower league is an interesting idea too.

We are forever moaning our youngsters dont get proper chance to develop at first team level.

Also nothing stopping us applying to put our B team in for our players development. 25k wouldn't break the bank.


They will just hoover up all the best under 21`s, romp the leagues so you would wonder why any lower league team would vote for this - yes, they may get a cash bonus for a season but this is a bigger bribe that the bloke from Fartz offered - at least his was for covid testing only - un bloody believable

[Mikey]

Plus it retains the idea of a 6/8 split in the Premiership which means that there's nothing to play for from February onwards for clubs in the middle of the league?

Presumably Hibs and Aberdeen will be against it simply because of the Colts team, so that's 10-2 right away.

[h1bs4life]

This latest fiasco better be kicked into touch.
So now the erse cheeks want to have B teams starting of in the lowest division that can only go up as far as the championship which is only 1 league above .
Are they looking for 1 and 2 in top league and league below.
If this goes through im out. This is beyond a joke, its about time 2 or 3 Premier League teams come out and said they will be voting no to any changes next season no matter what is propsed putting the whole thing to bed.

[Hibeesmad]

The OF want their reserves in a re vamped league !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52941423

So if Celtic or Rangers B got to the Championship and got into a play off place or even won the league what would happen then as they wouldn't be able to gain entry to the Premiership?

I assume they wouldn't be allowed into the Premiership to face the 'real' Celtic/Rangers, but what if they faced eachother in a cup competition?

Probably the worst idea I've seen in this whole reconstruction scheme.

[chasitup]

That’s a dreadful proposal. 14 teams doesn’t work for a start. How can you have top 6 playing less games than the bottom 8. But this colt team idea to benefit the 2 strongest clubs further is ridiculous, along with the obvious bribe to the lower leagues too. Scottish football has to plan for next season and if reconstruction is a serious consideration, do it when the time is right and not to be completed in 6 or 7 weeks.

[Logie Green]

😂😂😂😂shall we fire in our own as well and join the party

A few years ago at a fans forum Rod Petrie tried to convince those in attendance that the inclusion of Colts teams in the League would be a good thing. The proposal allowed for Colts teams to be promoted to the Championship but no further. At the time it was suggested that several clubs, including Hibs, could have Colts teams, not just the OF. He was unable to give a satisfactory answer when asked how Hibs would market a season ticket campaign if we were in the Championship with several Colts teams, including ours, in it.

Now, as it was then, the idea is only for the benefit of the OF and would ensure that if they ever get their wish to play down south they’d still have a presence here.

A woeful idea which would be to the detriment of Scottish football in general.

[bingo70]

Tin hat firmly on but there’s aspects to those ideas of the huns that could work well for the lower league sides.

It doesn’t address the problem of a 14 team premier league but if the old firm getting colts sides in injects a lot of money into clubs that really need it, it might not be the worst thing in the world. Certainly not in the league format they’ve suggested though.

[Waxy]

They will just hoover up all the best under 21`s, romp the leagues so you would wonder why any lower league team would vote for this - yes, they may get a cash bonus for a season but this is a bigger bribe that the bloke from Fartz offered - at least his was for covid testing only - un bloody believable

Both colts teams would end up in the championship.
Colts teams have ruined every league they’ve been allowed in.

[grunt]

Presumably Hibs and Aberdeen will be against it simply because of the Colts team, so that's 10-2 right away.
We could pay to have a Colts team in the Lowland league if we wanted ...

Doesn't seem to be very popular with our neighbours either.

[Waxy]

Tin hat firmly on but there’s aspects to those ideas of the huns that could work well for the lower league sides.

It doesn’t address the problem of a 14 team premier league but if the old firm getting colts sides in injects a lot of money into clubs that really need it, it might not be the worst thing in the world. Certainly not in the league format they’ve suggested though.
Its not and shouldnt be about money.

[coldingham hibs]

Plus it retains the idea of a 6/8 split in the Premiership which means that there's nothing to play for from February onwards for clubs in the middle of the league?

Especially with only 1 team relegated & 1 team in the playoffs. Imagine we were comfortably 7th at the split, the rest of the season would be a dead duck & fans would find other things to occupy their Saturday.

[tamig]

If enough clubs say that they're against reconstruction, it effectively becomes one.

By contrast if enough clubs back it it still can’t go through without a formal vote.

[Billy Whizz]

Rangers will pay it in 12 month instalments

[Ozyhibby]

They will just hoover up all the best under 21`s, romp the leagues so you would wonder why any lower league team would vote for this - yes, they may get a cash bonus for a season but this is a bigger bribe that the bloke from Fartz offered - at least his was for covid testing only - un bloody believable

Results in the tunnock wafer cup would suggest they would not walk anything.


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[we are hibs]

Lower league teams need their fans to survive more than anything. This talk of mothballing ect proves that. Why would they alienate the majority of their support and turn lots of them away from their club to get a few extra grand from the old firm? Its a complete non starter and nonsensical.

[Not In The Know]

Mind when Budge said in front of the TV cameras that if the season was ended and they decided Hearts were relegated that she would accept it.
Mind when she also voted to relegate hearts!

[neil7908]

Great, another club coming up with proposals for the "good of the game" that simply benefit themselves.

This is a worry for me as the Ugly Sisters backing makes a huge difference.

Would literally be the worst possible outcome - out of a crisis the OF and Hearts come out strengthened whilst also claiming the moral high ground.

[007]

😂😂😂😂shall we fire in our own as well and join the party

Sounds like a plan. A 40 team league. Everybody plays everyone else once. Hearts and Rangers can gtf and set up their own league.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

So if Celtic or Rangers B got to the Championship and got into a play off place or even won the league what would happen then as they wouldn't be able to gain entry to the Premiership?

I assume they wouldn't be allowed into the Premiership to face the 'real' Celtic/Rangers, but what if they faced eachother in a cup competition?

Probably the worst idea I've seen in this whole reconstruction scheme.

Not sure about other leagues, but I dont think the German Colt teams get past the 3rd or regional leagues

[Col2]

Guys let’s be clear. The Hearts Budge fudge has been shot down. End.

Tom English getting over excited about yet another proposal. Shall we get one each week now? The important difference is this is to suit the OF and it’s not about Hearts so NOT time dependant.

[The Harp Awakes]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5672314/hearts-budge-reconstruction-plan-dead/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

So the hun is trying to bribe the lower league clubs who were against Fudge's propsal, with a promise of buying a minimum amount of away tickets all to get the jumbos up and cash in on their bigots streaming the games of their B teams.

WTF. This is mental. As if the huns and Celtic aren't strong enough already. It will also allow them to spread their bigotry across the lower leagues. Aye, just what Scottish football needs:confused:

[Billy Whizz]

Results in the tunnock wafer cup would suggest they would not walk anything.


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But it will all be in the best interests of Scottish football
How many players have they developed in recent years
Celtic
Tierney & McGregor over last 4/5 years

Rangers
Gilmour.....
I’m struggling to think of who else

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Tin hat firmly on but there’s aspects to those ideas of the huns that could work well for the lower league sides.

It doesn’t address the problem of a 14 team premier league but if the old firm getting colts sides in injects a lot of money into clubs that really need it, it might not be the worst thing in the world. Certainly not in the league format they’ve suggested though.

It shouldn’t be about money. Besides, Colts are already in the Challenge Cup and the attendances for the OF Colts are nowhere near what they told us they would be.

Be interesting to see how our Pink chums receive this one though - they will hate it but still see it as a way of remaining in the top flight.

[tamig]

46 teams in the senior leagues. Exactly what we need in a country with a smaller population than that of London

Half the teams that make up the English leagues with a tenth of the population 😂

[ac1]

This is utterly shambolic

I thought Celtic were wanting the league fixtures released?

[Real Emerald]

Every team should put in a proposal to be scrutinised now. How about bringing the ladies teams into the divisions too, in fact any combination as long as it’s a 14 team top division that includes Hearts! As I said earlier, we need clubs to come out publicly now stating they are against reconstruction so the figures are obvious that this sham gets put to bed and we can move on.

[ac1]

Can the SFA not step in and put a stop to this pish? Genuine question I have no idea about the rules with them and the SPFL?

[007]

"There is also thought to be broad support for the strategic partnerships - an idea initially suggested by Stenhousemuir chairman Iain McMenemy."

Funny that, Orange Order Ian McMenemy's idea. Probably already has his 6 Rangers loan players and coach picked out.

Doesn't say if this proposal is to replace the Hearts one or if the clubs are now having to discuss both.

[bingo70]

Every team should put in a proposal to be scrutinised now. How about bringing the ladies teams into the divisions too, in fact any combination as long as it’s a 14 team top division that includes Hearts! As I said earlier, we need clubs to come out publicly now stating they are against reconstruction so the figures are obvious that this sham gets put to bed and we can move on.

Absolutely.

If 11 teams put forward plans to be discussed we’ll not see a ball kick before the end of next year.

If there’s genuine proposals for the good of the game and not just one club, let’s spend the next season discussing and investigating them in depth and make changes for the following season.

The proposals Rangers have put forward are far too big a change to be implemented in a couple of months.

[Waxy]

How about waiting and having a proper purposeful independent think tank have a proper look at reconstruction over the next year?
They might find that we already have the best model?
No bribing with Duncan’s millions or colt team riches because that’s corrupt isn’t it?

[nonshinyfinish]

"There is also thought to be broad support for the strategic partnerships - an idea initially suggested by Stenhousemuir chairman Iain McMenemy."

Funny that, Orange Order Ian McMenemy's idea. Probably already has his 6 Rangers loan players and coach picked out.

Doesn't say if this proposal is to replace the Hearts one or if the clubs are now having to discuss both.

Separate article says enough lower league clubs have publicly rejected the Hearts proposal that it's effectively dead: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5672314/hearts-budge-reconstruction-plan-dead/

[Glory Lurker]

All you teams just below Brora and Kelty - please bring your faces over here so we can slap them raw.

[JohnM1875]

"While Rangers are aiming for this to be introduced next season, they recognise that will be difficult and are prepared to adapt elements once they have consulted more widely."

It states that Hearts and Partick would avoid relegation in their proposal. So surely it HAS to be introduced from next season. More pish.

[Ronniekirk]

Every team should put in a proposal to be scrutinised now. How about bringing the ladies teams into the divisions too, in fact any combination as long as it’s a 14 team top division that includes Hearts! As I said earlier, we need clubs to come out publicly now stating they are against reconstruction so the figures are obvious that this sham gets put to bed and we can move on.

The problem now is Doncaster has encouraged it
It was obvious it would then throw up ideas and keep tithings from being shut down quickly
Someone needs to make it clear what date They are Working to to conclude this farce
The waters are getting muddied deliberately when there is no need to
Unless of course there are those hellbent on bringing about some form of reconstruction


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[bingo70]

Separate article says enough lower league clubs have publicly rejected the Hearts proposal that it's effectively dead: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5672314/hearts-budge-reconstruction-plan-dead/

It’s a complete non story that.

Everybody already knew Budges plan was dead. The question for this meeting seemed to be if Doncaster was able to find a compromise with the other clubs.

[Since452]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5672314/hearts-budge-reconstruction-plan-dead/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Utter lies. No way can Tynecastle hold over 20k 😉

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

It’s like one big huge SPFL pantomime, without the amusement and integrity of a pantomime that is!

[Logie Green]

The OF want their reserves in a re vamped league !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52941423

What does the ‘B’ after Celtic and Rangers stand for?....

Funny how they claim to despise each other but can get together to propose something which they think they can both benefit from. Remember they issued identically worded letters to all clubs a few years ago about deducting a ‘handling fee’ when selling tickets for their away games. Shameless.

[southern hibby]

The Rangers only want a colt team so that if and when they go pop like the old rangers club did they can then buy the colts position in the league for a pound then take their place rather than starting where they did last time.


GGTTH

[bingo70]

"While Rangers are aiming for this to be introduced next season, they recognise that will be difficult and are prepared to adapt elements once they have consulted more widely."

It states that Hearts and Partick would avoid relegation in their proposal. So surely it HAS to be introduced from next season. More pish.

Surely that’s covered by them being prepared to adapt elements.

Sounds like Doncaster has asked the clubs to come back with counter proposals that would make teams vote for a 14 team premier league. The old firm are prepared to vote for a 14 team league if they get colts sides in, can’t see the other clubs going for that.

Interesting to see what our alternative proposal was.

[007]

Tin hat firmly on but there’s aspects to those ideas of the huns that could work well for the lower league sides.

It doesn’t address the problem of a 14 team premier league but if the old firm getting colts sides in injects a lot of money into clubs that really need it, it might not be the worst thing in the world. Certainly not in the league format they’ve suggested though.

I'd rather they just changed the distribution of prize money to get more into the lower leagues, even though it would mean less money for Hibs. Helping Rangers and Celtic get stronger can only be a bad thing. If anything, the gap needs to be reduced not widened.

Thankfully the 11-1 voting that normally suits Rangers and Celtic should work against them in this instance.

[Hibeesmad]

No chance of the Rangers proposal even getting to a vote with a 11-1 vote needed in the Premiership.

[Since452]

Nobody is going to vote for Celtic and Rangers B teams in the league other than Celtic and Rangers

[Jim44]

This whole episode is becoming a complete farce and is an embarrassing and damning reflection on the ineptitude and professionalism of our national association. It’s become a ridiculous free for all, allowing Tom, Dick and Harry to submit Mickey Mouse proposals, which have little or no chance of universal acceptance. If UEFA itself wasn’t such a corrupt mess and oblivious to what happens in it’s member countries, it would intervene and demand we get our house sorted out pronto or face sanctions or even expulsion from the union. A bit extreme, on reflection, but I’m becoming disillusioned out of all proportion with the laughing stock we are making of ourselves.

[munchar]

Money’s not the answer to sustain the lower league clubs. Maybe in an emergency because of this horrible pandemic, but i think it’s time Scottish football moves out of the dark ages. To many lower clubs are living of their history. It’s up to them to build there club up or unfortunately disappear into the lower leagues. The committee’s at Cowdenbeath, Albion Rovers etc need to work really hard with the local community to get their clubs thriving. Local businessmen sponsoring, builders helping to develop stadiums & building relationships with schools & colleges to get people along to watch on a Saturday. This is old school proper football, but these clubs can’t continue being classed as professional outfits just because of their status. The governing body should maybe work along with them, but also have to start raising the standards regarding stadiums & professionalism. There’s many junior & amateur clubs run better with adequate facilities also & community backing.

[Glory Lurker]

This is what happens if you say "are you for it, or against it? And see if you're against it, what would make you for it?". Gentlemen, herd your cats! Hats off to our administrators. Despite being a diddy backwater league, we can do farce to world-class proportions.

[007]

Separate article says enough lower league clubs have publicly rejected the Hearts proposal that it's effectively dead: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5672314/hearts-budge-reconstruction-plan-dead/

Thanks, struggling to keep up. 😄

Not sure I'd take the Sun's word as it being officially dead, as they claim. Hopefully we'll get something more reliable soon.

I can't see Rangers proposal getting enough support so hopefully it is the only one on the table.

[Real Emerald]

The problem now is Doncaster has encouraged it
It was obvious it would then throw up ideas and keep tithings from being shut down quickly
Someone needs to make it clear what date They are Working to to conclude this farce
The waters are getting muddied deliberately when there is no need to
Unless of course there are those hellbent on bringing about some form of reconstruction


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The Premiership clubs need to pull the plug on this now or risk even more damage to the game. It’s bad enough the clamour by English to save Hearts but to now introduce old firm colt teams instead of the agreed pyramid system is just getting fans of all other clubs backs up now. Tom English is damaging Scottish football with his privileged position and his quite bizarre obsession and bias. Leeann and others maybe need to become a bit more vocal to get this stopped.

[04Sauzee]

Vale of Leithen tweet.

Did anyone ask the Lowland League clubs if we would accept these B teams? No, they didnt.

[McSwanky]

What a ****ing **** show. Embarrassing.

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[Real Emerald]

Vale of Leithen tweet.

Did anyone ask the Lowland League clubs if we would accept these B teams? No, they didnt.

Of course not, they asked Tom English.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Thanks, struggling to keep up. 😄

Not sure I'd take the Sun's word as it being officially dead, as they claim. Hopefully we'll get something more reliable soon.

I can't see Rangers proposal getting enough support so hopefully it is the only one on the table.

Not just because they’re saying what we want to hear

But the sun have been very accurate recently in their reporting

Less so on the editorial pieces

[H18 SFR]

This Rangers proposal just can’t happen.

Here is a scenario, a few years down the line the Hun colts have made it to the Championship.

A global pandemic causes major revenue problems and the Huns have a bang average season and then enter administration, getting hit with a points deduction.

The points deduction is enough to get them relegated.

The Huns and the Huns colts now play in the same league.

Whilst it is a creative scenario it is not beyond the realms of complete fantasy, surely the constitution of the SPFL simply wouldn’t allow for it?

[dchibs]

The Rangers only want a colt team so that if and when they go pop like the old rangers club did they can then buy the colts position in the league for a pound then take their place rather than starting where they did last time.


GGTTH

If the rangers put a colt team into the league where does that leave hertz, them being the diet huns after all?

[007]

Every team should put in a proposal to be scrutinised now. How about bringing the ladies teams into the divisions too, in fact any combination as long as it’s a 14 team top division that includes Hearts! As I said earlier, we need clubs to come out publicly now stating they are against reconstruction so the figures are obvious that this sham gets put to bed and we can move on.

C'mon Leeann, soon be time to put forward the 12-12-10-10. Unfortunately agreement couldn't be reached for the Premiership but that doesn't mean that Partick and Stranraer shouldn't be saved. After all, none of this has been about saving Hearts because they're a big club. Surely righting 2 out of 3 wrongs is better than 0.

[Peevemor]

I'm still hoping that enough clubs have come out against any reconstruction at the moment.

12-12-10-10 or no change are the only reasonable options.

[Real Emerald]

If the rangers put a colt team into the league where does that leave hertz, them being the diet huns after all?

Hearts zero

[grunt]

The Huns and the Huns colts now play in the same league. Is that like in Doctor Who when the Doctor meets his previous self? Does it create a crack in the space-time continuum?

[Bostonhibby]

Is that like in Doctor Who when the Doctor meets his previous self? Does it create a crack in the space-time continuum?There's definitely crack involved in the running of Scottish football, and a bit of LSD as well.

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