NO to reconstruction

[Frazerbob]

27 game Championship season just been confirmed on Sportsound. It was due to be announced tomorrow after the meeting but the SPFL confirmed it half an hour ago.

[007]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5700408/hearts-dundee-play-off-premiership-kenny-dalglish/

Add King Kenny to the list of people they hate now.

:faf:

What about Ayr who were only a point behind, or Arbroath who were 5 behind with a game in hand? etc. etc. Get them in a playoff too. Or pick 2 names out of a hat.

[hibeerealist]

27 game Championship season just been confirmed on Sportsound. It was due to be announced tomorrow after the meeting but the SPFL confirmed it half an hour ago.

Which removes their claim "we have been expelled (correction - RELEGATED) and we do not even have a league to play in", yes that would be very harsh however, you now HAVE a league and it kicks off in October - 27 games, good luck (well no really)!!

[007]

A few of them on keekback now inferring to a huge Falling out between Mr Gordon and Ms Dempster, can anyone here give this substance as I for one haven't heard of anything of this.!!

Desperate for something good (from their viewpoint) to discuss. They must be really hurting if 5-1 and 22 in a row isn't enough of a comfort blanket.

[Dibben]

I’m now telling Hearts fan I know that you know what, perhaps it is a little unfair (I don’t really think that 🤫)- but what was more unfair was you stiffed all your creditors (including charities) when you went into administration 6 odd years ago.

That really was unfair - they didn’t bat an eyelid at that back then!!

[Ozyhibby]

Can they promote a team after 27 games? Seems unfair to me. Maybe wait until they can play a full season before putting a team forward for promotion. Pretty sure Budge agrees with that.


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[Gatecrasher]

Can they promote a team after 27 games? Seems unfair to me. Maybe wait until they can play a full season before putting a team forward for promotion. Pretty sure Budge agrees with that.


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:agree: I dont know how you can promote a team before the full compliment of games are completed. Maybe we should look at reconstruction :dunno:

[steviehibsleith]

So tomorrow morning is again a vote which in a nutshell means all SPL chairman tomorrow you vote Yes. You are giving up £300000 per year and you have also Put your team in a absolutely dreadful setup with a 6/8split .

I see now the facts are laid bare Hamilton have also come out and said they won’t vote for this. Personally think they will be hard pushed to get a 6/6 vote never mind 11/1.

[Mikey]

That's quite an expensive season ticket Hearts are selling for a 27 game season. But with games starting in October at least they'll have time to save up for it :greengrin

[HibeesLittleHel]

They are making it up as they go along. Absolute pish. They affectionately call RG “Ron the con” with no basis or reasoning whatsoever.

To be fair to them their reasoning for that imaginative alliteration is sound. It does rhyme

[CapitalGreen]

That's quite an expensive season ticket Hearts are selling for a 27 game season. But with games starting in October at least they'll have time to save up for it :greengrin

They also guaranteed fans a minimum 18 home games 😬

[The 90+2]

They also guaranteed fans a minimum 18 home games 😬

It will be including the integrity cup games against Inverness, Falkirk, Stranraer, Tranmere Rovers and some mob from Belgium. Money spinning in the extreme.

[Frazerbob]

So tomorrow morning is again a vote which in a nutshell means all SPL chairman tomorrow you vote Yes. You are giving up £300000 per year and you have also Put your team in a absolutely dreadful setup with a 6/8split .

I see now the facts are laid bare Hamilton have also come out and said they won’t vote for this. Personally think they will be hard pushed to get a 6/6 vote never mind 11/1.

No vote tomorrow, clubs need to indicate if they are interested in the proposal. If enough are, it goes to an EGM (and a vote) a week later). If there isn't enough interest (as looks likely) then that's it put to bed.

[Iggy Pope]

They also guaranteed fans a minimum 18 home games 😬

The way they are so apparently revered amongst the great and good of our land, I wouldn’t rule it out.

[hibsbollah]

They are making it up as they go along. Absolute pish. They affectionately call RG “Ron the con” with no basis or reasoning whatsoever.

To be honest, Hearts fans slagging off Ron Gordon is just the equivalent of the convict being led to the electric chair shouting abuse at the jury. Best ignored, they’re going down and crying about it won’t soften the pain.

[Hibee87]

They also guaranteed fans a minimum 18 home games 😬

A Jambo family member has said they will get 18 games with a season ticket. Wether it's the upcoming season, or it had to carry onto a following season, regardless of where league.

[Billy Whizz]

Can they promote a team after 27 games? Seems unfair to me. Maybe wait until they can play a full season before putting a team forward for promotion. Pretty sure Budge agrees with that.


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Will the championships clubs charge fans for a full 36 game season

[SouthMoroccoStu]

They also guaranteed fans a minimum 18 home games 😬

Did they?!?

Lol

[Onion]

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Presume Hearts will not be voting, out of principle. Shirley, they don't want to be seen to accept their membership of the Championship and affect it's structure and operation :greengrin

What if they get promoted back through reconstruction or win their legal challenge ? All votes involving Hearts, null & voided ?

If I was Budge, I'd be speaking to lawyers before they start casting votes in the Championship :cb

[StevieC]

That's quite an expensive season ticket Hearts are selling for a 27 game season. But with games starting in October at least they'll have time to save up for it :greengrin

To be fair, its an expensive season ticket for everyone due to closed doors games .. but I get the gist of what you mean :wink:

[Dibben]

Which may well hit their budget for their second attempt at getting promotion the following season!! 😁

[Greenworld]

They also guaranteed fans a minimum 18 home games [emoji51]Yes this just gets better [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[Col2]

That's quite an expensive season ticket Hearts are selling for a 27 game season. But with games starting in October at least they'll have time to save up for it :greengrin

They have the biggest legal case in history to fund and the ovens are being fired up along with the dusting down of the cash cow.

[Peevemor]

They have the biggest legal case in history to fund and the ovens are being fired up along with the dusting down of the cash cow.How are they going to entice new players during the transfer window - to sit on reduced wages until October?

[Iain G]

They have the biggest legal case in history to fund and the ovens are being fired up along with the dusting down of the cash cow.

You mean Third biggest legal case in history? They know their place in the establishment pecking order remember :agree::greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

How are they going to entice new players during the transfer window - to sit on reduced wages until October?

The same way they have enticed players in the past, overpaying duds like Malaury Martin who couldn’t care less whether they actually play football every week.

[Ozyhibby]

How are they going to entice new players during the transfer window - to sit on reduced wages until October?

Transfer window will be abandoned this season I think. But Hearts will have only left overs to pick from when it comes to getting in players. Anyway, they already have too big squad so I doubt they will be able to bring in players.


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[Billy Whizz]

Transfer window will be abandoned this season I think. But Hearts will have only left overs to pick from when it comes to getting in players. Anyway, they already have too big squad so I doubt they will be able to bring in players.


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There will be a window extension I’m sure, but you’re right, they’ll be looking too offload before they can buy
Presuming they’ll be furloughing players until mid August at earliest

[007]

They have the biggest legal case in history to fund and the ovens are being fired up along with the dusting down of the cash cow.

It's okay, they're loaded. When they block Celtic playing in the Champions League and then lose their case JA will step in with £35m+.

[Irish_Steve]

Apparently a 27 game league is restraint of trade according to all the legal eagles on Brokeback.

Another string to the bow regards nailing a court win - muppets

[hibbyfraelibby]

If hearts did get the relegation stopped then we’d surely have to continue were we left off? But hearts took part in the vote to end the league so thats last season concluded as fair as possible.

If Hearts get recon stopped they lose the parachute payment and we get our £125k back surely?

The only team in Scottish football to suffer an actual financial loss so far is Hibernian, not one other team has lost money from current revenue from the SPFL.

[Ozyhibby]

There will be a window extension I’m sure, but you’re right, they’ll be looking too offload before they can buy
Presuming they’ll be furloughing players until mid August at earliest

Difficult to unload their players as they are all massively over paid. Who would take them?
And furlough doesn’t help much with the likes of Boyce who is on £26k a month. They still have to find £23,500 a month to pay him.


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[hibbyfraelibby]

The Deans letter speaks about the SPFL potentially needing to ringfence £8m pending the outcome of any legal action. Does the writer not realise that Hearts need access to their share as much as anyone else.

Even after imposing cuts, they still have a huge wage bill and will already be eating well into their 20/21 ST receipts.

They forget that, by Budge's on admission, they were goosed prior to Covid-19 & relegation.

I am sure the SPFL would ask the courts to potentially ringfence a similar amount by the Pursuer, a company with a history of administration, relying on injections of funds from Phil and Benny's ice cream and with limited potential future revenue, unlike the SPFL which has a guaranteed future revenue stream to cover cost in the unlikely event they lose and the even more unlikely event the court agrees to award cost in the first place.

[The 90+2]

Apparently a 27 game league is restraint of trade according to all the legal eagles on Brokeback.

Another string to the bow regards nailing a court win - muppets

Must be up to £50m compensation guaranteed by now. £2m per game missed next season against Alloa and Raith.

[CapitalGreen]

Apparently a 27 game league is restraint of trade according to all the legal eagles on Brokeback.

Another string to the bow regards nailing a court win - muppets

By that logic, reconstructing to a 14 team league would also be a restriction of trade as some teams would see a reduction in games from 38 to 36. The cancellation of the League Cup should also be considered a restriction of trade too then which all clubs would be eligible to claim against.

[Billy Whizz]

Difficult to unload their players as they are all massively over paid. Who would take them?
And furlough doesn’t help much with the likes of Boyce who is on £26k a month. They still have to find £23,500 a month to pay him.


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Budge will be looking at how she can reduce her cost base, other than the manager situation, this is her most important task
You’d have thought Hickey would be away, and can’t see Souttar hanging around if he wants to be in Scotland squads, that’s if he’s fit
Not sure if Boyce plays for NI, but if he does, he’ll be pushing for a loan somewhere

[Crazyhorse]

For me I always feel that the need to introduce politics into a football discussion is both unnecessary & diminishes the argument.

I agree to an extent but this is Scotland where two teams spent over a century conflating football/politics/religion to leech cash out of bigots and build up a position of dominance over all other teams.
The yams seem to be adopting the sevco template to some extent lately.

[Irish_Steve]

Budge will be looking at how she can reduce her cost base, other than the manager situation, this is her most important task
You’d have thought Hickey would be away, and can’t see Souttar hanging around if he wants to be in Scotland squads, that’s if he’s fit
Not sure if Boyce plays for NI, but if he does, he’ll be pushing for a loan somewhere

Boyce tends not to start for NI, instead we (a NI man here) have Conor Washington up front - sometimes watching my international team is murder lol

[Seveno]

If Hearts take this to court (I think unlikely) and win the case (even more unlikely) they would need to prove their loss. I can’t see how they can do that until the end of the new season. This then allows a comparison of the results of that season against what the last full year would have been had the season been played out to the full. There would obviously be a protracted debate over both calculations.

[007]

The Deans letter speaks about the SPFL potentially needing to ringfence £8m pending the outcome of any legal action. Does the writer not realise that Hearts need access to their share as much as anyone else.

Even after imposing cuts, they still have a huge wage bill and will already be eating well into their 20/21 ST receipts.

They forget that, by Budge's on admission, they were goosed prior to Covid-19 & relegation.


I am sure the SPFL would ask the courts to potentially ringfence a similar amount by the Pursuer, a company with a history of administration, relying on injections of funds from Phil and Benny's ice cream and with limited potential future revenue, unlije the SPFL which has a guaranteed future revenue stream to cover cost in the unlikely event they lose and the even more unlikely event the court agrees to award cost in the first place.

After hibbyfraelibby mentioned a bond of caution the other day I did a little bit of research and found an interesting piece by Brodies solicitors on it. Particularly the part that says

"Generally speaking the courts will be much slower to order a defender to find caution than a pursuer on the basis that the defender has been forced to defend the action."

https://brodies.com/blog/dispute-resolution/security-for-costs-caution-in-scottish-commercial-and-civil-litigation/

The piece only seems to refer to expenses so maybe that's just the legal fees (or is it fees plus resultant lost income?), presumably meaning any clubs out of pocket, due to a Hearts inderdict, would have to take out a counter suit against Hearts for lost income. However if Hearts lost their case, not only would they be paying the SPFL fees, they'd very likely lose a counter suit for lost income too i.e. Champions & Europa League income Leslie Deans talks about blocking (if the kickback post is indeed accurately quoting him).

What do you reckon?

[Springbank]

After hibbyfraelibby mentioned a bond of caution the other day I did a little bit of research and found an interesting piece by Brodies solicitors on it. Particularly the part that says

"Generally speaking the courts will be much slower to order a defender to find caution than a pursuer on the basis that the defender has been forced to defend the action."

https://brodies.com/blog/dispute-resolution/security-for-costs-caution-in-scottish-commercial-and-civil-litigation/

The piece only seems to refer to expenses so maybe that's just the legal fees (or is it fees plus resultant lost income?), presumably meaning any clubs out of pocket, due to a Hearts inderdict, would have to take out a counter suit against Hearts for lost income. However if Hearts lost their case, not only would they be paying the SPFL fees, they'd very likely lose a counter suit for lost income too i.e. Champions & Europa League income Leslie Deans talks about blocking (if the kickback post is indeed accurately quoting him).

What do you reckon?

If the Celtic bloggers are accurate about the gaping hole in the ibrox finances, and if leslie Dean's takes an action that restricts sevco revenue from the Leverkusen tie (and any unlikely future games) then I cant see sevco turning a blind eye to that.

They'll sue hearts for sure

[Crazyhorse]

Boyce tends not to start for NI, instead we (a NI man here) have Conor Washington up front - sometimes watching my international team is murder lol

Ditto

[brog]

Not sure about the play off - they're jammy enough to win it.

Hmmm, not sure. I've got a vague memory of them losing a vital game to Dundee before!

[Paisley Hibby]

Getting totally bored with all this now. It was a giggle to think Hearts might get relegated - especially as it was unfair - but I didn't think it would really happen. If Hibs were in the position they are in (or worse, if we were in Partick's position) we'd all be raging. Tin hat on. Taking the blinkers off and looking at it objectively, the 14-10-10-10 permanent reconstruction is probably the fairest way of sorting this for most (and even then not all) teams who have been disadvantaged. I'll get ma coat...

[easty]

If Hearts get recon stopped they lose the parachute payment and we get our £125k back surely?

The only team in Scottish football to suffer an actual financial loss so far is Hibernian, not one other team has lost mobey from current revenue from the SPFL.

No, cos they’re separate. They’ve already been relegated. We’ve already got prize money for finishing 7th.

Reconstruction is another issue, it’s not undoing what’s been done.

[brog]

A Jambo family member has said they will get 18 games with a season ticket. Wether it's the upcoming season, or it had to carry onto a following season, regardless of where league.

Yep, Sportsound will probably award Hearts 18 home & 9 away games next season but realistically they should be able to make up the 4 or 5 game shortfall through cup ties, including the Irn Bru or whatever it's called now.

[PatHead]

Hmmm, not sure. I've got a vague memory of them losing a vital game to Dundee before!

Don't forget that if they had beaten St Mirren then they would still be in the Premiership. Not that great a record in big games.

[GreenCastle]

Getting totally bored with all this now. It was a giggle to think Hearts might get relegated - especially as it was unfair - but I didn't think it would really happen. If Hibs were in the position they are in (or worse, if we were in Partick's position) we'd all be raging. Tin hat on. Taking the blinkers off and looking at it objectively, the 14-10-10-10 permanent reconstruction is probably the fairest way of sorting this for most (and even then not all) teams who have been disadvantaged. I'll get ma coat...

Not sure if you are being serious or not ?!!

Hearts have been relegated !! That will NEVER change!!!

I agreed it’s dragged on ..it’s actually been hilarious during lockdown seeing them squeal and sweat it out with numerous dodgy proposals.

As I’ve said before feels like they have been relegated about 5 times and given us a chance to laugh at them longer.

You (If you aren’t a Jambo) and the Jambos are in the minority about 14 teams. It’s a shambles set up and definitely not an improvement of what we have (which is far from ideal).

[GreenCastle]

Don't forget that if they had beaten St Mirren then they would still be in the Premiership. Not that great a record in big games.

They bottled that game and if you remind them of it they get very wound up. It was a must win / don’t lose and they lost !!

Add in the bust up with players on team bus on way back as they realised Stendal had a relegation release clause in his contract !

[greenginger]

No, cos they’re separate. They’ve already been relegated. We’ve already got prize money for finishing 7th.

Reconstruction is another issue, it’s not undoing what’s been done.

I agree Hibs get seventh place prize money even if reconstruction goes through , but no way should they get the parachute payment and stay in the top league.

[Springbank]

Getting totally bored with all this now. It was a giggle to think Hearts might get relegated - especially as it was unfair - but I didn't think it would really happen. If Hibs were in the position they are in (or worse, if we were in Partick's position) we'd all be raging. Tin hat on. Taking the blinkers off and looking at it objectively, the 14-10-10-10 permanent reconstruction is probably the fairest way of sorting this for most (and even then not all) teams who have been disadvantaged. I'll get ma coat...

Sorry, none of this is factual.

It was fair to relegate the club in 12th having completed over 80% of the season hearts voted for it, even.

14 team top flight is neither fair nor favourable
It will produce a majority of meaningless games for probably a majority of teams & crowds will suffer, gate receipts will suffer, prize money will be heavily diluted.

The fair way is 12-12-10-10 but that's not on the table

[Eyrie]

Getting totally bored with all this now. It was a giggle to think Hearts might get relegated - especially as it was unfair - but I didn't think it would really happen. If Hibs were in the position they are in (or worse, if we were in Partick's position) we'd all be raging. Tin hat on. Taking the blinkers off and looking at it objectively, the 14-10-10-10 permanent reconstruction is probably the fairest way of sorting this for most (and even then not all) teams who have been disadvantaged. I'll get ma coat...

It may be the fairest way for the three teams that have been disadvantaged, but it is obviously unfair on the twelve teams in the 20/21 Premiership as they would face reduced prize money and either fewer games or more meaningless games.

You can't correct a perceived wrong by inflicting a greater one.

That's why Hearts have no chance of getting next season delayed by their proposed court case. The damage it would inflict on Scottish football is out of all proportion to even their imagined losses, let alone any actual losses.

[Heisenberg]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

[Hibby70]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Suppose it depends on whether the person in question has constantly called you vermin or not.

[grunt]

I agree Hibs get seventh place prize money even if reconstruction goes through , but no way should they get the parachute payment and stay in the top league.You'd think that would be a given.

[DaveF]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Bit of an easy quiz question that one.

B every time. Question next.

[grunt]

It may be the fairest way for the three teams that have been disadvantaged, but it is obviously unfair on the twelve teams in the 20/21 Premiership as they would face reduced prize money and either fewer games or more meaningless games.I have a real problem with the continued use of the word "disadvantaged". They were relegated - they were in the relegation spot at the point at which the league season ended. They were only disadvantaged in the same way as any team being relegated is disadvantaged.

[Ozyhibby]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Kheridine been chatting to Ann again.[emoji23]


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[Lago]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.
Ah the tale of the good samaritan adapted for Scottish football, well I suppose it's better than alluding to Brexit etc

[Eyrie]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Said person is only in distress because their actions have got them drunk. Do you:
a) start drinking with them and suffer the same hangover
b) let them sober up?

[grunt]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.
c) You tell them you're sorry they can't play with you next season but their performance over the season did not merit staying in the same league as you and your colleagues. You wish them good luck and tell them if they work hard and win games next season they'll get the chance to come back into the premiership in 2021/22. Firm but fair.

[Scooter]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Youd put your arm around them tell them it's going to be ok and look at the positives and buy a beer or a coffee. You wouldnt give them 300k a year of your income and a seat at your table

[easty]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Why would you only have those 2 options? What about c) ask if they’re ok, and offer them advice as how to do a better job next time

[Eyrie]

I have a real problem with the continued use of the word "disadvantaged". They were relegated - they were in the relegation spot at the point at which the league season ended. They were only disadvantaged in the same way as any team being relegated is disadvantaged.

I was quoting Paisley Hibby when I used "disadvantaged".

I've always been very clear that it is not Hearts but the worst team in the league that is being relegated. So we're in agreement.

[Waxy]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.
If hearts ICT and Partick were in the main group theyd have a sly kick.

[truehibernian]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Maybe said chairman could answer...........

Question: If a club amasses a debt of £29 million chasing a football dream and have a large list of creditors reliant on your money to function, do you......

a) ring fence money from a wealthy philanthropist and your fans donations and try and pay back debts you are still due for the good of Scottish society and the community, not just the game.....or
b) pay them nowt, see companies have to potentially make redundancies and restructure because they've not got the money you owed them, screw the public purse, local authority, and emergency services, and then start again as if nothing happened, and 6 years later overspend millions on a football squad and new main stand yet still have the begging bowl out expecting others to bail you out when you have chronically under-achieved.

Never mind the sly kick, how about karma and a sly 'we told you so' :aok:

[mal]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Has said colleague got themselves in a state of distress by spending money that they don't have in order to give them an advantage over you and your other colleagues so that one of you would suffer the same fate that they could have avoided if it was not for their own incompetence?

[CockneyRebel]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.



Question. Mr Chairman/manager if you are asked about reconstruction (14 10 10 10 ) by a club that has persistently cheated, lied and stolen and used media puppets to exaggerate their self inflicted plight, and your club thereby losing a % of tv money and playing many pointless games just to save the aforementioned club,do you:
(a) Fall prostrate at their feet begging forgiveness for their situation and promising them that you will be their bitch?
(b) Tell them to f*** off?
(c) Tell them to f*** of?
(d) Tell them to f*** off?

[Waxy]

Funny how Partick and ICT were involved in a previous relegation mess.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/i/inverness_ct/3828873.stm

[Peevemor]

And if you change the word colleague for rival or competitor?

And if said rival had been overspending for 30 years, trying to buy success, leaving local suppliers with thousands of pounds of debt and manipulating the date of their administration to avoid relegation?

F*** them!

[truehibernian]

Has said colleague got themselves in a state of distress by spending money that they don't have in order to give them an advantage over you and your other colleagues so that one of you would suffer the same fate that they could have avoided if it was not for their own incompetence?

I like Partick Thistle and have a couple of really good mates who follow them through thick and thin, feel for them especially.

But remember this is a club who benefited from over £10 million from Colin Weir, built an academy, and have a £2 million payment from his estate since his sad passing.

They dropped like a stone through chronically bad appointments and player recruitment, despite having the false budget they had (compared to normal income). I think Low should be looking far more closer to home and work out why they are in the position they are in on a football front :aok:

[Spike Mandela]

Fixed it....

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one who has been, systematically overspending and abusing you for years and really bad at their job to boot, sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) lie down like a doormat and try to help in any way you can even whilst they kick and continue to abuse you.
b) all walk by and ignore them, saying “Karma’s a bitch””



Remember all these supposed difficulties would have been there when they got relegated after 38 games. Would be still be restructuring? It’s almost as if relegation is a bad thing, go figure.

Cut your cloth to suit for ****s sake.

[Heisenberg]

I think there’s a good chance it’ll go to an EGM tomorrow, it won’t have enough votes to pass but there will be enough to justify them doing it, if that makes sense. Hopefully Hibs do the right thing and go down the “ignore them and give out a sly kick” route.

[Caversham Green]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

First, Hearts are not our colleagues, they're our competitors.
Second, if they'd ended up there through their own incompetence I'd say hell mend them and walk past.
Third, if they started talking about suing me if I didn't help them the kick wouldn't be a sly one.

[truehibernian]

Fixed it....

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one who has been, systematically overspending and abusing you for years and really bad at their job to boot, sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) lie down like a doormat and try to help in any way you can even whilst they kick and continue to abuse you.
b) all walk by and ignore them, saying “Karma’s a bitch””



Remember all these supposed difficulties would have been there when they got relegated after 38 games. Would be still be restructuring? It’s almost as if relegation is a bad thing, go figure.

Cut your cloth to suit for ****s sake.

Inverness nearly £1 million in debt too - any wonder they want to riches of the Premiership. All aboard the gravy train and cloak it in the 'for the good of Scottish football' argument :agree:

[Danderhall Hibs]

Are Hearts in distress? I thought they propped the rest of us up?

[mal]

Are Hearts in distress? I thought they propped the rest of us up?

That is true; I think I read that in their reconstruction "proposal". Obviously they'll be fine.

[JohnMcM]

Transfer window will be abandoned this season I think. But Hearts will have only left overs to pick from when it comes to getting in players. Anyway, they already have too big squad so I doubt they will be able to bring in players.


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Do they need to recruit, what they have now should be good enough to get them back up?

[Bostonhibby]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Or c) go into administration to avoid having to give them anything at all.

d) Rob the charity that might have been able to help them if they had just been able to get their money.

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[high bee]

How about:

You run a business and your fellow competitors have been underperforming for some time now. (Despite one of them having a recent administration and failed hostile takeover bid.) A freak occurrence hastens what was likely their inevitable collapse, in do you:

A) Offer to help them even if your business suffered greatly.
B) Offer to help until you realise the cost is too great to both your business and the industry in general?

[Waxy]

Hearts, the most heartless club in Scotland trying to tug on heartstrings in a last resort.
You could see it coming.

[Fanforlife]

They are making it up as they go along. Absolute pish. They affectionately call RG “Ron the con” with no basis or reasoning whatsoever.cheers for confirmation of my thoughts!!😁👍

[Fanforlife]

Well they would know all about the inner workings of our club. Obviously. :greengrin👍👍👍😁😁😁

[Irish_Steve]

Don't forget that if they had beaten St Mirren then they would still be in the Premiership. Not that great a record in big games.

I think this needs an airing again lol


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[Caversham Green]

Or a more relevant one:

You're one on one with the opposition keeper and he slips. Do you

a) pass the ball to him out of sympathy
or
b) put the ball in the net and celebrate the goal?

Or if you're Uche, fall over the ball and claim a penalty.

[Dave-O]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”


Deary me! I'm surprised that Kheredine tweeting this, I'd have thought he'd have more sense but the amount of journo's
and reporters loosing their s*** over this woman and that lot is very strange indeed, I know things are very quiet and their
maybe just looking for something to report/write about but why not try to be balanced and report the facts on how this lot
managed to be sitting bottom of the league after 30 games and the mismanagement that got them there, it's almost always
portrayed as someone else's fault. f****** walloper's :brickwall

[grunt]

I was quoting Paisley Hibby when I used "disadvantaged".

I've always been very clear that it is not Hearts but the worst team in the league that is being relegated. So we're in agreement.

Sorry I didn't mean it to appear as criticism. Was just a general comment on the word.

[hibbyfraelibby]

To be fair to them their reasoning for that imaginative alliteration is sound. It does rhyme

Well they have Budge the Fudge who employed Fub in the Cludge.

[hibbyfraelibby]

They also guaranteed fans a minimum 18 home games 😬

13 league, 2 league cup, 5 in the Champions League no?

[SouthMoroccoStu]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Colleagues?!

Colleagues work together for a United cause

They are business rivals

So would you help a rival that almost certainly not help you?!

Fat chance

Hearts are the most self centred team going. And have regularly cheated other teams with financial mismanagement

Now they want help and to be everyone’s best pal?

Too late chumps

[Since452]

If desperate chairmen are looking for sentiment they're in the wrong game. Football is cutthroat. Especially in a country with too many clubs and not a very big pot to piss in. Dog eat dog I'm afraid.

[mal]

I think some journalists need to remember that this is the club that stiffed their own staff for wages then contacted agents saying they'd have money to pay for transfer fees. This is the club that boasted about how much the SPFL needed them then told their own fans they couldn't afford to refund their season ticket money, so tough. They're not to be trusted or believed.

[hibbyfraelibby]

After hibbyfraelibby mentioned a bond of caution the other day I did a little bit of research and found an interesting piece by Brodies solicitors on it. Particularly the part that says

"Generally speaking the courts will be much slower to order a defender to find caution than a pursuer on the basis that the defender has been forced to defend the action."

https://brodies.com/blog/dispute-resolution/security-for-costs-caution-in-scottish-commercial-and-civil-litigation/

The piece only seems to refer to expenses so maybe that's just the legal fees (or is it fees plus resultant lost income?), presumably meaning any clubs out of pocket, due to a Hearts inderdict, would have to take out a counter suit against Hearts for lost income. However if Hearts lost their case, not only would they be paying the SPFL fees, they'd very likely lose a counter suit for lost income too i.e. Champions & Europa League income Leslie Deans talks about blocking (if the kickback post is indeed accurately quoting him).

What do you reckon?

I reckon "they" are in for a financial shock of Krakatoan proportions. Pleasing as they like to say over "there".

[hibbyfraelibby]

Hmmm, not sure. I've got a vague memory of them losing a vital game to Dundee before!

...pretty bog standard response.

[Onion]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Let's ask their long list of creditors that they stiffed just a few years ago, had the opportunity to make amends but chose instead to waste millions of pounds on awful players, managers and Board members. Wonder what their creditors would do ?

[Irish_Steve]

I reckon "they" are in for a financial shock of Krakatoan proportions. Pleasing as they like to say over thete.

Ooh, that`s gonna be my new fave word of the day. Well second fave, relegation is still the best one

[hibbyfraelibby]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Pretty simple answer to this analogy based on the Good Samaratin.

Their self indulgent actions that got them drunk, on ambition, was self inflicted but you take pity and help them to a place where they can get attention and rehabilitation...its called the Championship.

[Joe6-2]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Pathetic

[hibbyfraelibby]

Kheridine been chatting to Ann again.[emoji23]


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...but she's bot a ChairMAN, she's a multi-tasking successful businessWOMAN who is the owner of a failing football club. I reckon its not even Gardiner or Lowe as both are mere CEOs so that just leaves the Stranraer Chairman.

[Rumble de Thump]

A club chairman sending wee messages slagging off every other club to a journalist for them to make public under anonymity is the very definition of sly.

[Del Boy]

A club chairman sending wee messages slagging off every other club to a journalist for them to make public under anonymity is the very definition of sly.


Sure it will be Gardiner, he’s been making a tit of himself since this all began.

[Waxy]

I’ll be very surprised if we dont get a full on party political broadcast via a final Budge statement tonight.
Plenty of nonsense and hearts trying to pretend they’ve always been our best pals.

[CapitalGreen]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

How crass is that. We are in the middle of a pandemic, folk losing their jobs and loved ones but they’re trying to make out they are biggest victims of the whole situation. Horrible.

[Bostonhibby]

A club chairman sending wee messages slagging off every other club to a journalist for them to make public under anonymity is the very definition of sly.I did wonder if they could actually stoop this low, then I had a look at some of the names on their very own creditors list.

They know how to stoop.

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[SouthMoroccoStu]

I did wonder if they could actually stoop this low, then I had a look at some of the names on their very own creditors list.

They know how to stoop.

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This

[tamig]

Will the championships clubs charge fans for a full 36 game season

Up to the individual clubs. Unlikely to be a positive selling point though - unless it carries over as some clubs have indicated.

[Rumble de Thump]

Sure it will be Gardiner, he’s been making a tit of himself since this all began.

Absolutely. And the journalists need to take a look at themselves. Protecting a source's anonymity is understandable when you're getting a scoop on a story that's in the public interest. Doing it to simply facilitate a needless attack on people is unethical.

[Aldo]

I did wonder if they could actually stoop this low, then I had a look at some of the names on their very own creditors list.

They know how to stoop.

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They go and since the start of all this they have continued in the same vain

1. Threats to players if they don’t take a pay cut they’ll have their contract ripped up
2. At the same time sending out emails to agents saying they’ll have money to spend on players
3. Contradiction after contradiction
4. 1 minute they are skint then all of a sudden they are financially safe for years to come
5. Saying they’ve a shortfall of money to get to end of season now it’s 3 no 5 no 8 no god knows what figure they will come up with next, in income blah blah
6. Cheap shots at other clubs
7. Offering the use of facilities and even offering to pay for CO19 testing but only if they’re proposal goes through then
8. Announcing Benny and then saying but no strings attached
9. Saying others are acting out of self interest and don’t care about communities and local clubs (mind when you bumped your creditors including charities)
10. And how is everyone else’s fault cos you’ve spent millions you don’t really have trying to avoid relegation.

Karma is superb


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[tamig]

Transfer window will be abandoned this season I think. But Hearts will have only left overs to pick from when it comes to getting in players. Anyway, they already have too big squad so I doubt they will be able to bring in players.


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The bigger issue for them is that the auld yin has had her attention fully diverted away from football matters and with the chuckle brothers now off the scene who’s been looking at the football side of things for the upcoming season - regardless of which league they’re in? They have a major problem and will be playing catch up on a huge scale.

[Billy Whizz]

The bigger issue for them is that the auld yin has had her attention fully diverted away from football matters and with the chuckle brothers now off the scene who’s been looking at the football side of things for the upcoming season - regardless of which league they’re in? They have a major problem and will be playing catch up on a huge scale.

She has. Think she’s extended the contracts of Andy Kirk, and Gallacher the goalie coach, other than these 2, that’s about it in the Football dept

[cabbageandribs1875]

A club chairman sending wee messages slagging off every other club to a journalist for them to make public under anonymity is the very definition of sly.


i don't think it says much about a journalist that actually posts pathetic crap like that either

[JimBHibees]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Imo that is shocking Kheredine is putting that out. Either put up or shut up. Self pity chat really is absolutely cringeworthy.

[JimBHibees]

i don't think it says much about a journalist that actually posts pathetic crap like that either

Totally agree.

[JimBHibees]

She has. Think she’s extended the contracts of Andy Kirk, and Gallacher the goalie coach, other than these 2, that’s about it in the Football dept

Gary Naysmith was loan coach so possibly he may be part of it plus no doubt lockey could be there also.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Is stendel still officially their manager?

[Stuart93]

Is stendel still officially their manager?

If their relegation is confirmed I don’t expect him to stay

Supposedly he’s a bit miffed that there’s been no plans drawn up for next season yet.

[Billy Whizz]

Gary Naysmith was loan coach so possibly he may be part of it plus no doubt lockey could be there also.

Forgot about Locke, maybe he’ll step up to the manager

[bingo70]

Is stendel still officially their manager?

He only has a contract for the premier league so as they are a championship club, I suppose that means that he’s not.

[Dave-O]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”
c) Sit down beside them. pop saughton's champers, light up a hamlet with a £50,000 note, and say " Waste Not, Want Not " :wink:

[CraigHibee]

Are Hearts in distress? I thought they propped the rest of us up?

They do prop us up, the phantom maroon pound 🤣

[Ozyhibby]

With Hearts only having 13 home games next season it means that the season after, the first five home games are covered by this years season ticket. Their return to the top league (if it happens) is going to have its own financial difficulties.


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[KeithTheHibby]

I think there’s a good chance it’ll go to an EGM tomorrow, it won’t have enough votes to pass but there will be enough to justify them doing it, if that makes sense. Hopefully Hibs do the right thing and go down the “ignore them and give out a sly kick” route.

I’ve a feeling this will happen too. If Doncaster is worried about any legal action then if there is enough interest to merit a vote but not enough to make an actual change then perhaps it’s in the best interest to proceed with an actual vote?

[Aldo]

With Hearts only having 13 home games next season it means that the season after, the first five home games are covered by this years season ticket. Their return to the top league (if it happens) is going to have its own financial difficulties.


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It won’t. They won’t cut their cloth next season in championship and they will continue to spend imho.

It’s all they know. They will not change!


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[Kojock]

Is stendel still officially their manager?

Nope, they have been relegated and as such he no longer has a contract. If they want him they have to offer him a new deal.

[KDY Hibs]

Let's ask their long list of creditors that they stiffed just a few years ago, had the opportunity to make amends but chose instead to waste millions of pounds on awful players, managers and Board members. Wonder what their creditors would do ?

This.

[neil7908]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

This is crazy, crazy stuff. Does the person quoted realise football is a COMPETITION?

This isn't a cooperative society where we're all here just to help each other out. These players, chairman, agents etc get paid what they do not just because they are good but because they operate in an environment focused on winning, with competition and tribalism at its heart.

And this person now wants a handout? Should we all have a got together and pulled our resources to help poor old Rangers when they were going under? Where was the help for Hibs last time we went down? Or indeed any club that gets relegated?

Take your medicine, reflect on how you ended up adrift at the bottom of the league with only a few games to go, learn from your mistakes and prepare for next season.

But if you want sympathy and brotherly love in football your in the wrong business.

[Scotty Leither]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

I'm just about old enough to remember when Tom Hart would call out the SFA and Celtic and Rangers over various things, one of them being the odious behaviour of the Tims and the Teddy Bears when they would descend on Easter Road bringing their brand of "culture" with them.

He was also summoned on occasion to Park Gardens (as they were based then) to explain himself, with the attendant threat of a disrepute charge being handed out; who could also forget lengthy playing bans that were meted out to Hibs players in these days too?

These snide digs that certain individuals are indulging in need to be called out and punished by the SPFL; it's getting tedious and an already poisonous atmosphere is being ratcheted up by their fanboys in the media, too.

Sort it out, Doncaster and co.

[tamig]

Are Hearts in distress? I thought they propped the rest of us up?

Never forget - “The Premiership needs Hearts more than the Championship does”.

Straight from the old hag a few weeks ago.

[McSwanky]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.Once again, I am left thinking this statement is specifically designed to annoy people, and has actually come from someone who is against reconstruction...

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[Since452]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Reeks of Gardiner

[007]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Hearts or Inverness have seen Partick's statement getting a sympathetic response from pundits so they try for the sympathy vote too but know, because of how disliked they are, they have to do it anonymously so hide behind a friendly pundit.

[Waxy]

Hearts or Inverness have seen Partick's statement getting a sympathetic response from pundits so they try for the sympathy vote too but know, because of how disliked they are, they have to do it anonymously so hide behind a friendly pundit.
Remember Partick finishing bottom years ago but trying to get out of relegation because ICT didnt have a 10,000 seater stadium.

[greenlad]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”



They've missed the part where that "colleague" tried to strangle you to death not so long ago, and at the time took great delight in grandstanding about what great fun it was.

[Peevemor]

Hearts or Inverness have seen Partick's statement getting a sympathetic response from pundits so they try for the sympathy vote too but know, because of how disliked they are, they have to do it anonymously so hide behind a friendly pundit.I reckon it's more of the same from Jacqui Low.

[sean04]

How can Inverness be pushing the sporting Integrity angle but also want promotion to the top league without earning it? Got to earn your place at the big table

[Gloucester Hibs]

They've missed the part where that "colleague" tried to strangle you to death not so long ago, and at the time took great delight in grandstanding about what great fun it was.

As you approach the “colleague” they’re begging, which quickly turns to threats the closer you get. As you walk by, in a final act of desperation, the “colleague” attempts to persuade you by blackmail and finally bribery.

[The 90+2]

How can Inverness be pushing the sporting Integrity angle but also want promotion to the top league without earning it? Got to earn your place at the big table

Simply because their ceo is a snake and they are a bunch of charlatans.

[007]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

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[Sammy7nil]

This is crazy, crazy stuff. Does the person quoted realise football is a COMPETITION?

This isn't a cooperative society where we're all here just to help each other out. These players, chairman, agents etc get paid what they do not just because they are good but because they operate in an environment focused on winning, with competition and tribalism at its heart.

And this person now wants a handout? Should we all have a got together and pulled our resources to help poor old Rangers when they were going under? Where was the help for Hibs last time we went down? Or indeed any club that gets relegated?

Take your medicine, reflect on how you ended up adrift at the bottom of the league with only a few games to go, learn from your mistakes and prepare for next season.

But if you want sympathy and brotherly love in football your in the wrong business.


They've missed the part where that "colleague" tried to strangle you to death not so long ago, and at the time took great delight in grandstanding about what great fun it was.


How can Inverness be pushing the sporting Integrity angle but also want promotion to the top league without earning it? Got to earn your place at the big table

Great responses can any of you tweet them Kheredine and ask him to retweet?

[zitelli62]

Let the squealing pigs squeal all they want bye bye hope you rot in the championship it's your sporting level dirty horrible poppy thieves live within your means and take your medicine bye bye.

[Blackfordhibby]

If it's sympathy they want they'll find it in the dictionary........it comes between Sh.t and Syphilis.

[EI255]

This. I’d rather Hearts were somehow saved from relegation and we retained the 12 team structure than change to the proposed 14 team structure. Regardless of what happens with Hearts they’d have likely been back up in a year anyway but if we switch to a 14 team league we are stuck with a shambles of a set up forever..... which is why it won't win enough votes.

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[theonlywayisup]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”

Wonder if it was Budge or Gardiner? Maybe even the Partick chairwoman. I’m sure Gardiner was his source weeks ago when this was all kicking off.

Maybe BBC Kheredine could tweet back the reply:

If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can, accepting that many of your colleagues will be financially disadvantaged as a result and have to change their working pattern to allow them to return to work, so that it becomes extremely boring to many apart from a small minority
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass? or
c) go to their assistance and try to help them seek an outcome that will get them back onto the right path, allowing them to return to work albeit it may not be in the position that they had hoped for, as the reason that they were in distress was down to their own mismanagement and poor performance at work.

[bingo70]

Maybe BBC Kheredine could tweet back the reply:

If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can, accepting that many of your colleagues will be financially disadvantaged as a result and have to change their working pattern to allow them to return to work, so that it becomes extremely boring to many apart from a small minority
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass? or
c) go to their assistance and try to help them seek an outcome that will get them back onto the right path, allowing them to return to work albeit it may not be in the position that they had hoped for, as the reason that they were in distress was down to their own mismanagement and poor performance at work.

Posts like this annoy me.

Not because you’ve said anything wrong, just that it is so obvious I don’t understand why nobody in the media is picking up on it.

These arguments about increasing the league to help out teams short term doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny at all, so why aren’t the media scrutinising it at all?

I’m the first to admit the day after the season got called I actually thought the fairest way to deal with it would be for league reconstruction. It only took about half an hours thought to realise though that it’s not as simple as that.

I also think clubs like Hibs could be doing more to point out the complexities of it but I realise that’s a can of worms that people don’t seem to like being opened.

[grunt]

Maybe BBC Kheredine could tweet back the reply:

If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can, accepting that many of your colleagues will be financially disadvantaged as a result and have to change their working pattern to allow them to return to work, so that it becomes extremely boring to many apart from a small minority
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass? or
c) go to their assistance and try to help them seek an outcome that will get them back onto the right path, allowing them to return to work albeit it may not be in the position that they had hoped for, as the reason that they were in distress was down to their own mismanagement and poor performance at work.Too many characters.

[Wakeyhibee]

Posts like this annoy me.

Not because you’ve said anything wrong, just that it is so obvious I don’t understand why nobody in the media is picking up on it.

These arguments about increasing the league to help out teams short term doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny at all, so why aren’t the media scrutinising it at all?

I’m the first to admit the day after the season got called I actually thought the fairest way to deal with it would be for league reconstruction. It only took about half an hours thought to realise though that it’s not as simple as that.

I also think clubs like Hibs could be doing more to point out the complexities of it but I realise that’s a can of worms that people don’t seem to like being opened.

Anything Hibs say or do, would get slaughtered in the media due to it being Hearts.

It's not good for fans but is the right way to do it in this instance.

I agree the media are hopeless in objectivity, scrutiny and balance.

[Keith_M]

Part of the reason I want this to be decided once and for all tomorrow is to help improve the mood on here.

[JohnM1875]

Latest tweet from Kheredine.

Could the tide be turning for @JamTarts @PartickThistle @StranraerFC? Just heard from an @spfl Championship chairman who thinks clubs in that division have now resolved differences/objections & can support 14-10-10-10; he thinks the Premiership (11-1) holds key to reconstruction

[bingo70]

Anything Hibs say or do, would get slaughtered in the media due to it being Hearts.

It's not good for fans but is the right way to do it in this instance.

I agree the media are hopeless in objectivity, scrutiny and balance.

I think Hibs could easily set their stall out by explaining the numerous down sides of a 14 team league, stress it’s nothing to do with Hearts and would feel the same if it was any club at the bottom. We could even go as far as saying we would be open to a 16 team league if there was a genuine long term benefit to Scottish football.

I think I could easily name 5 or 6 downsides to a 14 team league without mentioning hearts, I’d struggle to name 1 benefit, I don’t see any harm in the club doing that.

[Heisenberg]

Latest tweet from Kheredine.

Could the tide be turning for @JamTarts @PartickThistle @StranraerFC? Just heard from an @spfl Championship chairman who thinks clubs in that division have now resolved differences/objections & can support 14-10-10-10; he thinks the Premiership (11-1) holds key to reconstruction

Fair enough, this reconstruction model won’t adversely affect their division to any great degree. I’d hope at least two Prem clubs will vote against a horrible 14 team league.

[Wakeyhibee]

I think Hibs could easily set their stall out by explaining the numerous down sides of a 14 team league, stress it’s nothing to do with Hearts and would feel the same if it was any club at the bottom. We could even go as far as saying we would be open to a 16 team league if there was a genuine long term benefit to Scottish football.

I think I could easily name 5 or 6 downsides to a 14 team league without mentioning hearts, I’d struggle to name 1 benefit, I don’t see any harm in the club doing that.

I think we all can and have on here. I just think if Hibs did it in the media there would only be a backlash regardless of how they said it. The media are that dumb the only thing they would report as positive would be if we agreed.

[SteveHFC]

Part of the reason I want this to be decided once and for all tomorrow is to help improve the mood on here.

Hopefully the admin’s will let us have a celebration gif thread :hyper

[Spike Mandela]

[QUOTE=Heisenberg;6203700]Fair enough, this reconstruction model won’t adversely affect their division to any great degree. I’d hope at least two Prem clubs will vote against a horrible 14 team league.[/QUOTE

Hibs should agree to let it go to an EGM and a vote. Several Chairman will be smoked out and vote against the ridiculous 14 team league. At the moment these Chairmen are hoping others will do their dirty work for them.

[bingo70]

I think we all can and have on here. I just think if Hibs did it in the media there would only be a backlash regardless of how they said it. The media are that dumb the only thing they would report as positive would be if we agreed.

I’ve seen clubs saying why now isn’t the right time, I’ve seen clubs saying temporary and not permanent and vice versa, I’ve seen lower league clubs come out and say why it’s not fair on them but I don’t think I’ve seen a club come out and detail why a 14 team league is pish. Absolutely no need to mention Hearts when doing so.

Worries me a bit that clubs aren’t doing that as they don’t want to openly criticise a format they know that will be in place.

I can’t see any benefit to clubs voting this through so I’m assuming it won’t be, leaks like we’ve seen tonight from that BBC journalist worry me.

[jacomo]

How can Inverness be pushing the sporting Integrity angle but also want promotion to the top league without earning it? Got to earn your place at the big table


:agree:

ICT going up without any play offs is an affront to decency and fairness.

[Hibeesforever]

It is ridiculous how secretive the spl Chairman have been on voting intention...fans have been left completely out of the loop. Surely fans should have been consulted on voting intention. I fear tomorrow will not be the end and it will go to a vote.

[Waxy]

Latest tweet from Kheredine.

Could the tide be turning for @JamTarts @PartickThistle @StranraerFC? Just heard from an @spfl Championship chairman who thinks clubs in that division have now resolved differences/objections & can support 14-10-10-10; he thinks the Premiership (11-1) holds key to reconstruction
Benny Anderson opened the wallet again?

[McD]

I think some journalists need to remember that this is the club that stiffed their own staff for wages then contacted agents saying they'd have money to pay for transfer fees. This is the club that boasted about how much the SPFL needed them then told their own fans they couldn't afford to refund their season ticket money, so tough. They're not to be trusted or believed.


absolutely

[Peevemor]

I don't see it. The championship is more attractive with teams 13 - 22 in it as opposed to 15 - 24.

[007]

I think Hibs could easily set their stall out by explaining the numerous down sides of a 14 team league, stress it’s nothing to do with Hearts and would feel the same if it was any club at the bottom. We could even go as far as saying we would be open to a 16 team league if there was a genuine long term benefit to Scottish football.

I think I could easily name 5 or 6 downsides to a 14 team league without mentioning hearts, I’d struggle to name 1 benefit, I don’t see any harm in the club doing that.

It's not just that the format under 14 with the early split is so bad, it's that the proposal is for permanent. Plus, there's no chance a proposal would be successful in a couple of years to change it back if it isn't working. Which it won't be.

[Wakeyhibee]

I’ve seen clubs saying why now isn’t the right time, I’ve seen clubs saying temporary and not permanent and vice versa, I’ve seen lower league clubs come out and say why it’s not fair on them but I don’t think I’ve seen a club come out and detail why a 14 team league is pish. Absolutely no need to mention Hearts when doing so.

Worries me a bit that clubs aren’t doing that as they don’t want to openly criticise a format they know that will be in place.

I can’t see any benefit to clubs voting this through so I’m assuming it won’t be, leaks like we’ve seen tonight from that BBC journalist worry me.

Agreed I'm not 100% sure its gonna fail either. But unless you're out the blocks early, this format is awful, with or without the crazy play off for euro. Theres a lot more besides that.

Tbh I cant see it being a major problem outside the top flight. The only plus point might be with the same relegation quota, its 2 more places of safety. Hardly a selling point.

[Irish_Steve]

Latest tweet from Kheredine.

Could the tide be turning for @JamTarts @PartickThistle @StranraerFC? Just heard from an @spfl Championship chairman who thinks clubs in that division have now resolved differences/objections & can support 14-10-10-10; he thinks the Premiership (11-1) holds key to reconstruction

Could just be that plonker from ICT trying to get his club into the top division by tryinh the skew the vote. If it comes back wiyh a number of Championship teams voting No, said Chairman can say, well, I thought we had the votes.

Still too close for my liking though

[chippy]

I don't see it. The championship is more attractive with teams 13 - 22 in it as opposed to 15 - 24.

Why bother with any more than 14 pro teams then if clubs 15-24 are so dire?

[grunt]

Why bother with any more than 14 pro teams then if clubs 15-24 are so dire?

That's not what he said.

[we are hibs]

They wont get 11 premiership votes so irrelevant really.

[poolman]

Latest tweet from Kheredine.

Could the tide be turning for @JamTarts @PartickThistle @StranraerFC? Just heard from an @spfl Championship chairman who thinks clubs in that division have now resolved differences/objections & can support 14-10-10-10; he thinks the Premiership (11-1) holds key to reconstruction


Can't see Hibs, St Mirren and Ross County voting for it

[Irish_Steve]

Also, when it says Championship clubs - is that just referring to the division Hearts are now in or does it include L1 and L2?

[Brightside]

Latest tweet from Kheredine.

Could the tide be turning for @JamTarts @PartickThistle @StranraerFC? Just heard from an @spfl Championship chairman who thinks clubs in that division have now resolved differences/objections & can support 14-10-10-10; he thinks the Premiership (11-1) holds key to reconstruction

He's a slaver.

[JimBHibees]

BBC Kheredine tweeted the below

“ Sent this by an @spfl club chairman today: "Question. If you're walking along the road with colleagues and you see one sitting on the side in distress, do you:
a) try to help in any way you can
b) all walk by and ignore them, maybe even having a sly kick as you pass?”


Deary me! I'm surprised that Kheredine tweeting this, I'd have thought he'd have more sense but the amount of journo's
and reporters loosing their s*** over this woman and that lot is very strange indeed, I know things are very quiet and their
maybe just looking for something to report/write about but why not try to be balanced and report the facts on how this lot
managed to be sitting bottom of the league after 30 games and the mismanagement that got them there, it's almost always
portrayed as someone else's fault. f****** walloper's :brickwall

Sure someone said the boy that runs either BBC sport or sportsound is a yam. Would completely explain their absolutely putrid editorial stance throughout this fiasco. Wouldn't explain the complete lack of professionalism though.

[Peevemor]

Why bother with any more than 14 pro teams then if clubs 15-24 are so dire?I'm not saying that at all. For example, Arbroath will get more exposure next season with Hearts in their league than with Falkirk.

[bingo70]

He's a slaver.

He’s right more often than not on this subject is he not?

[Bishop Hibee]

As long as Hibs and Ross County stand firm there will be no 11-1.

[04Sauzee]

He’s right more often than not on this subject is he not?

Seems to have been

[Jim44]

He's a slaver.

That’s unfair ...... I once heard him give a very good report on the Indonesian 2nd division badminton championship.

[bingo70]

As long as Hibs and Ross County stand firm there will be no 11-1.

If it’s just one other club they’ll be up for being persuaded. We need a few clubs to stand strong.

[FilipinoHibs]

It is ridiculous how secretive the spl Chairman have been on voting intention...fans have been left completely out of the loop. Surely fans should have been consulted on voting intention. I fear tomorrow will not be the end and it will go to a vote.

Think they are right to stay silent. The pressure on no voters would be ridiculous. The Ross County chairman has done a good job as the no spokesperson. Sure it has been co-coordinated.

[bingo70]

Think they are right to stay silent. The pressure on no voters would be ridiculous. The Ross County chairman has done a good job as the no spokesperson. Sure it has been co-coordinated.

He’s not done that good a job if that’s his position as he’s hardly relayed why a 14 team league would be so bad for most clubs.

[FilipinoHibs]

Latest tweet from Kheredine.

Could the tide be turning for @JamTarts @PartickThistle @StranraerFC? Just heard from an @spfl Championship chairman who thinks clubs in that division have now resolved differences/objections & can support 14-10-10-10; he thinks the Premiership (11-1) holds key to reconstruction

Heard from championship chairman who "thinks". This is Gardiner spreading more ****. Kheredine is being used.

[matty_f]

Heard from championship chairman who "thinks". This is Gardiner spreading more ****. Kheredine is being used.

I don't think he is. I'd take it for what it is, he's reporting what he's been told, and it could quite easily be the state of play as things stand in the Championship.

This has been up and down more often than Hearts, I think it's got a few more to go as well.

[flash]

He’s right more often than not on this subject is he not?

In the world we live in these days anyone who says something you don't want to hear can't be right.

[The 90+2]

If the Prem holds the key it holds the key:
The whole of Scottish football is set up that every club in the country could vote something and the old firm can team and say no for their benefit and it doesn’t go through, that’s the whole point in the structure for voting. The ICT chairman is at it though. The only difference I can see is alloa changing their vote to go along with the SPFL and if alloa vote in favor u know the spfl are and vice versa.

[007]

Latest tweet from Kheredine.

Could the tide be turning for @JamTarts @PartickThistle @StranraerFC? Just heard from an @spfl Championship chairman who thinks clubs in that division have now resolved differences/objections & can support 14-10-10-10; he thinks the Premiership (11-1) holds key to reconstruction

My guess is the first tweet was based on info from Inverness before Championship clubs maybe had a Zoom call, or they've been doing some of their infamous WhatsApping. This one is also info from Inverness who obviously don't want it to fail due to Championship clubs voting no because it would be because of them and all the bad feeling Gardiner caused.

Because of all the previous dodgy accusations made by Gardiner they now have to hide behind a reporter to get their propaganda out and hope that way they avoid a response like last time.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dave-mackinnon-astounding-inverness-behaviour-22017229

Wouldn't be surprised if there's another twist tomorrow morning saying they've not necessarily all kissed and made up in the Championship.

[chippy]

I'm not saying that at all. For example, Arbroath will get more exposure next season with Hearts in their league than with Falkirk.

I know but it doesn’t say much for clubs 15 plus does it ?

[Greenworld]

As long as Hibs and Ross County stand firm there will be no 11-1.There will need to be a good few others or it will go to a vote. I still think 6 will indicate against .
St mirren
Ross county
Hamilton
Motherwell
St johnstone
Hibs

Aberdeen have hinted they were going to be a no this time .

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[Dave-O]

Latest tweet from Kheredine.

Could the tide be turning for @JamTarts @PartickThistle @StranraerFC? Just heard from an @spfl Championship chairman who thinks clubs in that division have now resolved differences/objections & can support 14-10-10-10; he thinks the Premiership (11-1) holds key to reconstruction

I wonder what changed the last couple of days for this u turn? what promises/brides and from who?

because lets face it their no changing their minds for nowt, something worthwhile was exchanged for their vote. :rolleyes:

[CapitalGreen]

In the world we live in these days anyone who says something you don't want to hear can't be right.

I had FilipinoHibs telling me I was wrong for months when I said Hearts benefactor was a partner at BG.

[FilipinoHibs]

He’s not done that good a job if that’s his position as he’s hardly relayed why a 14 team league would be so bad for most clubs.

He has set out clearly. Meaningless matches and reduced season ticket sales. More people deciding on a game for game basis. Reduced prize money.

[FilipinoHibs]

I had FilipinoHibs telling me I was wrong for months when I said Hearts benefactor was a partner at BG.

Yes I happily admitted I was wrong but it did seem unlikely for a number of reasons. But there you go, an Oxford Uni educated graduate with a love of the classical arts is a Jambo. Who would have thought it

[Sammy7nil]

The Budgie and her legal team have backed us all in to a corner there is no other option other than to accept the big huge team will grind every other team in Scotland in to the dirt. We will bow and kneel and take their £50,000. Inevitable really.













:wink:

[Lago]

I'm just about old enough to remember when Tom Hart would call out the SFA and Celtic and Rangers over various things, one of them being the odious behaviour of the Tims and the Teddy Bears when they would descend on Easter Road bringing their brand of "culture" with them.

He was also summoned on occasion to Park Gardens (as they were based then) to explain himself, with the attendant threat of a disrepute charge being handed out; who could also forget lengthy playing bans that were meted out to Hibs players in these days too?

These snide digs that certain individuals are indulging in need to be called out and punished by the SPFL; it's getting tedious and an already poisonous atmosphere is being ratcheted up by their fanboys in the media, too.

Sort it out, Doncaster and co.
I'm old enough & remember it very well.

[mal]

One further absurdity of the 14-team structure occurred to me regarding the European playoff that has been mentioned. I've seen this suggested as 7th v 6th with the winner taking on 5th, certainly 4th place has never been mentioned in any of the scenarios I've seen. But what happens if the SC winner is not one of the top 7 teams? 4th place wouldn't qualify for Europe automatically, nor would they be in the playoffs.

So, if the two SC finalists were both outside of the top 7 and 4th place had no chance of catching 3rd place and qualifying for Europe was a serious objective they might be better off throwing matches and trying to finish 5th.

Imagine a scenario next year where, in order to win 10 in a row, Celtic had to run up a cricket score ... and they're playing the 4th placed team who need to lose heavily in order to drop into 5th place...

It would almost be worth it.

[Brunswickbill]

[QUOTE=Greenworld;6203784]There will need to be a good few others or it will go to a vote. I still think 6 will indicate against .
St mirren
Ross county
Hamilton
Motherwell
St johnstone
Hibs

Aberdeen have hinted they were going to be a no this time .

I can’t see what’s in it got Sevco. They still have aspirations for a colts team and if there is a permanent reconstruction this will be put on ice for a number of years. If there is no change they’ll be able to work on the colts teams and the financial incentives over the next few seasons and may succeed.

[Wakeyhibee]

One further absurdity of the 14-team structure occurred to me regarding the European playoff that has been mentioned. I've seen this suggested as 7th v 6th with the winner taking on 5th, certainly 4th place has never been mentioned in any of the scenarios I've seen. But what happens if the SC winner is not one of the top 7 teams? 4th place wouldn't qualify for Europe automatically, nor would they be in the playoffs.

So, if the two SC finalists were both outside of the top 7 and 4th place had no chance of catching 3rd place and qualifying for Europe was a serious objective they might be better off throwing matches and trying to finish 5th.

Imagine a scenario next year where, in order to win 10 in a row, Celtic had to run up a cricket score ... and they're playing the 4th placed team who need to lose heavily in order to drop into 5th place...

It would almost be worth it.

Not only that, by the time 7th has played its 40 games. The team waiting in 6th could have been idle for up to 4 weeks.

The Cup Final will no longer be the finale and brought forward. As they will need to know before play offs,

[steviehibsleith]

Latest tweet from Kheredine.

Could the tide be turning for @JamTarts @PartickThistle @StranraerFC? Just heard from an @spfl Championship chairman who thinks clubs in that division have now resolved differences/objections & can support 14-10-10-10; he thinks the Premiership (11-1) holds key to reconstruction

I wonder what changed the last couple of days for this u turn? what promises/brides and from who?

because lets face it their no changing their minds for nowt, something worthwhile was exchanged for their vote. :rolleyes:

Wow so the 10 team Championship thinks it could vote for a 10 team Championship next year......

Its always been about the SPL we are the ones which will lose money and play in a **** 6/8 split

[04Sauzee]

[QUOTE=Greenworld;6203784]There will need to be a good few others or it will go to a vote. I still think 6 will indicate against .
St mirren
Ross county
Hamilton
Motherwell
St johnstone
Hibs

Aberdeen have hinted they were going to be a no this time .

I can’t see what’s in it got Sevco. They still have aspirations for a colts team and if there is a permanent reconstruction this will be put on ice for a number of years. If there is no change they’ll be able to work on the colts teams and the financial incentives over the next few seasons and may succeed.

It does seem a bit daft for Celtic and The Rangers to vote for this as this would be the status quo for a while now. Restructure doesn't go through this time and it can be looked at over the next couple of seasons.

[wookie70]

I don't see it. The championship is more attractive with teams 13 - 22 in it as opposed to 15 - 24.

May be more opportunity for promotion. No wonder club finances struggle if top league teams are considering a 14 team league. You would think it would be 8-10 against with only the Uglies and possibly the Dandy Dons thinking they will always be in the Top 6

[Sammy7nil]

[QUOTE=Brunswickbill;6203807]

It does seem a bit daft for Celtic and The Rangers to vote for this as this would be the status quo for a while now. Restructure doesn't go through this time and it can be looked at over the next couple of seasons.

No impact what so ever for them it only has an impact if you think you may be or are in the bottom 8

[Waxy]

14 team league is just horrendous.split after 26 games every season? Season over by February.All to let hearts escape free from the relegation position?
Just doesnt add up.

[mal]

Not only that, by the time 7th has played its 40 games. The team waiting in 6th could have been idle for up to 4 weeks.

The Cup Final will no longer be the finale and brought forward. As they will need to know before play offs,

Or the bottom 8 will be having to play Sat-Wed-Sat for weeks in order to catch up the 14 games they have to fit in in the same time frame as the top 6 are playing 10 games. Some of those bottom 8 teams are going to have meaningless games and, with the best will in the world, travelling supports and pay-at-the-gate are liable to plummet.

[04Sauzee]

[QUOTE=04Sauzee;6203812]

No impact what so ever for them it only has an impact if you think you may be or are in the bottom 8

It impacts on them if they are desperate to get colt teams in and that's going to be off the table for the foreseeable.

[we are hibs]

Theres absolutely no guarentee what way Aberdeen will vote. Their owner has been all over the place throughout. But regardless if its by 1 vote or not, if it fails it fails. Hearts fans seem to think some kind of "majority" matters but it doesnt when thats not the way the voting system works.

[Heisenberg]

Theres absolutely no guarentee what way Aberdeen will vote. Their owner has been all over the place throughout. But regardless if its by 1 vote or not, if it fails it fails. Hearts fans seem to think some kind of "majority" matters but it doesnt when thats not the way the voting system works.

A majority might matter tomorrow in that the SPFL will allow it to go to an EGM, but as you say, it doesn’t really go further than that. If teams are against now they’ll be the same in 7 days time.

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/pieandbov/status/1272282821017645061?s=21

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[bingo70]

https://twitter.com/pieandbov/status/1272282821017645061?s=21

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200614/125e931b6645e7828f872c256ffd3051.jpg


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Dundee United fans saying they will likely be a no as well.

[jgl07]

Wow so the 10 team Championship thinks it could vote for a 10 team Championship next year......


It makes sense. They would gain Partick Thistle and Falkirk whilst losing out on Hearts and Inverness!

[Wakeyhibee]

Or the bottom 8 will be having to play Sat-Wed-Sat for weeks in order to catch up the 14 games they have to fit in in the same time frame as the top 6 are playing 10 games. Some of those bottom 8 teams are going to have meaningless games and, with the best will in the world, travelling supports and pay-at-the-gate are liable to plummet.

And if one of them are still in cup? International weekends? Do we scrap the play offs if a bottom 8 side win the cup?

At the moment we only have 1 issue, the H/A split.

This add so many bad things.... and with 11-1 how are they gonna reverse it and send 3 down.

[greenlex]

It makes sense. They would gain Partick Thistle and Falkirk whilst losing out on Hearts and Inverness!

But Partick Thistle were pleading with them not to put self interest first!

[Brunswickbill]

It makes sense. They would gain Partick Thistle and Falkirk whilst losing out on Hearts and Inverness!

Shock horror. Clubs voting in their own self interest and damn the Premiership. But it would be reported as voting for the benefit of Scottish football.

[CapitalGreen]

Dundee United fans saying they will likely be a no as well.

If you were a Dundee United fan you would be raging to have invested all that money to ensure promotion only to see ICT fluke their way up with you.

Also, a stronger Championship makes Dundee’s promotion hopes a lot harder for next few seasons.

[Lee Marvin]

Hmmm.... if Aberdeen turn the pressure on Hibs and RC is going to be immense the whole of next week.

There is definitely going to be a formal vote if championship by it

[green day]

Kheredine was regurgitating Deans stories about the SPFL executive powers 20 minutes ago.

You do wonder sometimes how these guys ever actually get a job.

[Stuart93]

Hmmm.... if Aberdeen turn the pressure on Hibs and RC is going to be immense the whole of next week.

There is definitely going to be a formal vote if championship by it

It’s irrelevant what way the championship vote tbh

If there’s 4/5 teams in the premiership who say no it won’t go to a vote

[CapitalGreen]

Hmmm.... if Aberdeen turn the pressure on Hibs and RC is going to be immense the whole of next week.

There is definitely going to be a formal vote if championship by it

Even if teams like Aberdeen change to Yes they are hardly going to be hard/strong Yes. I’d say most clubs (outwith Hearts, PT & Stranraer) aren’t arsed either way so not likely to be lobbying other clubs.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

And if one of them are still in cup? International weekends? Do we scrap the play offs if a bottom 8 side win the cup?

At the moment we only have 1 issue, the H/A split.

This add so many bad things.... and with 11-1 how are they gonna reverse it and send 3 down.

What happens if the team in 7th win the cup?

You would still need to have playoffs for something as that was what was promised at the start of the season.

It’s all very well trying not to ‘punish’ three teams but you can’t dismantle the rest of Scottish Football to manage it.

Hearts need to accept that they are a Championship club and that they are going to be one next season - like Alloa and Arbroath. [emoji4]

[007]

Shock horror. Clubs voting in their own self interest and damn the Premiership. But it would be reported as voting for the benefit of Scottish football.

Clubs should be voting in self interest. Limited company boards have a duty to act in a way that is best for their company. Hearts sympathisers have tried to create a narrative around how there should be a duty of care towards Hearts which for some is in direct conflict to their duty towards their own club (company). They've got a cheek when they weren't showing any duty of care to Peterhead, Clyde, Forfar and Cove when they wanted to put them in the bottom league.

They are twisting the interpretation of the rules which refers to acting with good faith, which isn't the same thing as a duty of care.

Rule B1 In all matters and transactions relating to the League and Company each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the Company with the utmost good faith.

[The 90+2]

Clubs should be voting in self interest. Limited company boards have a duty to act in a way that is best for their company. Hearts sympathisers have tried to create a narrative around how there should be a duty of care towards Hearts which for some is in direct conflict to their duty towards their own club (company). They've got a cheek when they weren't showing any duty of care to Peterhead, Clyde, Forfar and Cove when they wanted to put them in the bottom league.

They are twisting the interpretation of the rules which refers to acting with good faith, which isn't the same thing as a duty of care.

Rule B1 In all matters and transactions relating to the League and Company each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the Company with the utmost good faith.

10/10 Great Post.

[007]

Kheredine was regurgitating Deans stories about the SPFL executive powers 20 minutes ago.

You do wonder sometimes how these guys ever actually get a job.

Last one of his I can see is from a couple of hours ago when he says he's been told Championship clubs have settled their differences.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Well the Beeb seem to be putting their oar in. Won’t believe Hearts are done until the first Premiership match is played.

[FilipinoHibs]

Right up you Deans and Kheredine.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-dealt-further-blow-spfl-22191688

[green day]

Last one of his I can see is from a couple of hours ago when he says he's been told Championship clubs have settled their differences.

Aye, it was on the radio. But per that DR link above, the SPFL appears to have told Deans to shove it.

Basically, it's up to the club's.

[mal]

Right up you Deans and Kheredine.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-dealt-further-blow-spfl-22191688

Christ, does that mean that garbage earlier actually was from Deans? I was convinced that was a parody and that no professional would pen such drivel.

[04Sauzee]

Aye, it was on the radio. But per that DR link above, the SPFL appears to have told Deans to shove it.

Basically, it's up to the club's.

And if the BBC is to be believed some of the clubs are wavering. Still not sure how the top flight clubs will vote, you would think Hibs, Ross County and St Mirren are a no?

[007]

Aye, it was on the radio. But per that DR link above, the SPFL appears to have told Deans to shove it.

Basically, it's up to the club's.

Ah, thanks.

From the article it sounds like Doncaster is well up for a courtroom battle.

[SMAXXA]

And if the BBC is to be believed some of the clubs are wavering. Still not sure how the top flight clubs will vote, you would think Hibs, Ross County and St Mirren are a no?

It’s not going to be pretty if Hibs say they are not against reconstruction tomorrow 🤦🏻*♂️

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Aye, it was on the radio. But per that DR link above, the SPFL appears to have told Deans to shove it.

Basically, it's up to the club's.

what a slaver Deans is - is he seriously saying that Anderson would think about pulling the plug?

this guy is a complete charlatan - absolute fud pontificating on aspects law outweigh his narrow field.

in Deans Hearts have their own bomber Brown. And where there’s a straw he’ll be clutching.

[Danderhall Hibs]

So there is such a thing as Executive powers? It just seems the SPFL won’t use it in this instance.

[proud_and_green]

They've already been relegated (and Celtic are league champions). That won't change.

League reconstruction would effectively mean that they're promoted immediately.I just don't get that though. I understand the league was called, I understand that meant that Hearts were relegated and Dundee Utd promoted, I get reconstruction too. What I don't get is, if all the above is true - and reconstruction were to happen - how can Hearts be promoted. They didn't finish in a promotion spot in the championship. There should be three teams promoted to make a 14 team top league, that is the three teams who came top of the championship - Utd, ICT and Dundee.
But they are proposing Utd and ICT - they finished in the top two slots, that's fine I can see that - but how can they promote a team, Hearts, that wasn't in that league last season over one that was and finished third.
Does this mean that what happened in the Premier didn't happen but what happened in the championship mostly did apart from Dundee of course. And if what happened in the Premier didn't happen why have we lost £125k and Celtic been declared champions.
If I was Dundee I would be talking to my Solicitor.


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[007]

So there is such a thing as Executive powers? It just seems the SPFL won’t use it in this instance.

There's nothing in the SPFL rules that says the board have the power to overrule a decision made by the clubs. Doncaster is employed by the SPFL to implement the rules so executive powers would basically mean he'd be going rogue and doing the opposite of what he's employed to do. Any board could ignore their own rules if they choose to.

As Doncaster said a couple of days ago, it would be a brave board that did the opposite of what the members voted for. He was never going to break the SPFL rules and give Rangers the ammunition they crave to get rid of him.

[matty_f]

Hearts think their court case would cost the SPFL, imagine the cost if all the clubs took Doncaster and co to court for applying an executive order after they'd voted against something on several occasions.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Right up you Deans and Kheredine.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-dealt-further-blow-spfl-22191688

quite funny at the end of the article when deans uses the word Honourable

[Real Emerald]

They need to bring this to an end to avoid even more damage to Scottish football.

[007]

Hearts think their court case would cost the SPFL, imagine the cost if all the clubs took Doncaster and co to court for applying an executive order after they'd voted against something on several occasions.

Hearts have tried to put pressure on Doncaster to overturn the vote and he's told them to gtf. They've got their timing all wrong applying pressure before the result has even been announced, in fact before the voting period is over.

He's not going overturn it now that he's told them to gtf. They should have waited until right after the result is announced before playing that card.

[MrSmith]

I just don't get that though. I understand the league was called, I understand that meant that Hearts were relegated and Dundee Utd promoted, I get reconstruction too. What I don't get is, if all the above is true - and reconstruction were to happen - how can Hearts be promoted. They didn't finish in a promotion spot in the championship. There should be three teams promoted to make a 14 team top league, that is the three teams who came top of the championship - Utd, ICT and Dundee.
But they are proposing Utd and ICT - they finished in the top two slots, that's fine I can see that - but how can they promote a team, Hearts, that wasn't in that league last season over one that was and finished third.
Does this mean that what happened in the Premier didn't happen but what happened in the championship mostly did apart from Dundee of course. And if what happened in the Premier didn't happen why have we lost £125k and Celtic been declared champions.
If I was Dundee I would be talking to my Solicitor.

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Mentioned similar a few pages back, it’s certainly a complicated conundrum with far reaching implications. Whatever happens next in terms of reconstruction, many clubs would be within their right to consult lawyers to raise an action against the SPFL. Hearts are treading on extremely thin ice.

[Ronniekirk]

They need to bring this to an end to avoid even more damage to Scottish football.

It was designed imo not to bring it to an end tomorrow When Doncaster said it was an indicative nod as it were whether Clubs may be in favour ,but they could then change their-mind when it came to the formal vote
By continually delaying g being decisive it gives for for group more opportunities to have Thier say and influence as it creates the impression Thier is a groundswell for the reconstruction
Teams against it seem reluctant to nail Thier colours to the mast publicly with the odd exception
That’s why I have never been totally confident
Plus there’s a lack of sensible debate about the merits of the proposal which seems strange
Wouldn’t surliest me in the least if it goes to a formal vote and the goalposts change yet again
Yet up until yesterday pm the views on this board had been more positive it wasn’t going to happen
So I wonder how quickly we will get a statement today



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[RoxburghHibs]

I just don't get that though. I understand the league was called, I understand that meant that Hearts were relegated and Dundee Utd promoted, I get reconstruction too. What I don't get is, if all the above is true - and reconstruction were to happen - how can Hearts be promoted. They didn't finish in a promotion spot in the championship. There should be three teams promoted to make a 14 team top league, that is the three teams who came top of the championship - Utd, ICT and Dundee.
But they are proposing Utd and ICT - they finished in the top two slots, that's fine I can see that - but how can they promote a team, Hearts, that wasn't in that league last season over one that was and finished third.
Does this mean that what happened in the Premier didn't happen but what happened in the championship mostly did apart from Dundee of course. And if what happened in the Premier didn't happen why have we lost £125k and Celtic been declared champions.
If I was Dundee I would be talking to my Solicitor.


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This is where I am currently. Have Dundee and Ayr made their viewpoint known on all this?

[Onion]

So there is such a thing as Executive powers? It just seems the SPFL won’t use it in this instance.

Appears so. Not convinced yet that the Exec wouldn't use their powers to save Hearts. If 11 or 12 Prem clubs vote to reconstruct and it is just 1 vote short of the 75% of all 42, could easily see them push this through. IMO this all comes down to how close the vote is, and who wants it to happen.

[Waxy]

Appears so. Not convinced yet that the Exec wouldn't use their powers to save Hearts. If 11 or 12 Prem clubs vote to reconstruct and it is just 1 vote short of the 75% of all 42, could easily see them push this through. IMO this all comes down to how close the vote is, and who wants it to happen.

They have to stick to the rules. Whats the point in having rules?
If they dont like the voting structure, vote to change it.

[Onion]

They have to stick to the rules. Whats the point in having rules?
If they dont like the voting structure, vote to change it.

Exec powers are in the rules. Covid is biggest threat to game since WWII, doesn't get any more extreme than that. Expect a few twists and turns to come.

[Waxy]

Exec powers are in the rules. Covid is biggest threat to game since WWII, doesn't get any more extreme than that. Expect a few twists and turns to come.

It might be a threat to the game as a whole but you cant use these powers to help a few teams out who finished bottom, put the cost of relegation onto other clubs and then force a terrible structure in the top league.
Its just not on.

[Peevemor]

Appears so. Not convinced yet that the Exec wouldn't use their powers to save Hearts. If 11 or 12 Prem clubs vote to reconstruct and it is just 1 vote short of the 75% of all 42, could easily see them push this through. IMO this all comes down to how close the vote is, and who wants it to happen.

The DR's 'source' says they won't. They said that they would have had the clubs not voted to call the league, but they won't for something non urgent like reconstruction.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[Jim44]

I just don't get that though. I understand the league was called, I understand that meant that Hearts were relegated and Dundee Utd promoted, I get reconstruction too. What I don't get is, if all the above is true - and reconstruction were to happen - how can Hearts be promoted. They didn't finish in a promotion spot in the championship. There should be three teams promoted to make a 14 team top league, that is the three teams who came top of the championship - Utd, ICT and Dundee.
But they are proposing Utd and ICT - they finished in the top two slots, that's fine I can see that - but how can they promote a team, Hearts, that wasn't in that league last season over one that was and finished third.
Does this mean that what happened in the Premier didn't happen but what happened in the championship mostly did apart from Dundee of course. And if what happened in the Premier didn't happen why have we lost £125k and Celtic been declared champions.
If I was Dundee I would be talking to my Solicitor.


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I think the question ‘why automatically include them?’ has been floating around since this all started, but it seems no one has actually asked it, nor, to best of my knowledge, has it been addressed. It seems that there is an assumption that Hearts are part of any reconstruction voted through. Maybe the wording of every proposal so far has ‘Hearts must be included’ written in. Imagine if reconstruction was accepted and Hearts were excluded from the two going up. :greengrin

[Waxy]

I think the question ‘why automatically include them?’ has been floating around since this all started, but it seems no one has actually asked it, nor, to best of my knowledge, has it been addressed. It seems that there is an assumption that Hearts are part of any reconstruction voted through. Maybe the wording of every proposal so far has ‘Hearts must be included’ written in. Imagine if reconstruction was accepted and Hearts were excluded from the two going up. :greengrinDundee would have more right than hearts. Why reward failure? Surely a legal challenge from Dundee it got to that stage?

[FilipinoHibs]

Exec powers are in the rules. Covid is biggest threat to game since WWII, doesn't get any more extreme than that. Expect a few twists and turns to come.

Read the DR article - quote from the SPFL source is that Exec powers to be used in exceptional circumstances such as calling league early because of a global pandemic not because Hearts won't accept relegation.

[brog]

Exec powers are in the rules. Covid is biggest threat to game since WWII, doesn't get any more extreme than that. Expect a few twists and turns to come.

Hearts getting relegated is not a threat to the game.

[Keith_M]

So...

Today's The Day (part 327)

[Hibee87]

Read the DR article - quote from the SPFL source is that Exec powers to be used in exceptional circumstances such as calling league early because of a global pandemic not because Hearts won't accept relegation.

And our governing body actually went against the grain early doors from other countries FA and actually let the clubs have the vote.....thus killing any legal challenges. SPFL, sy what you will about them, have actually done things almost perfectly. Almost.

[bingo70]

So...

Today's The Day (part 327)

Don’t get your hopes up. Suspect today will be the day we will be told it’s getting put to a vote. Probably be another week away until we get confirmation.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Don’t get your hopes up. Suspect today will be the day we will be told it’s getting put to a vote. Probably be another week away until we get confirmation.

Yip

[Ozyhibby]

Exec powers are in the rules. Covid is biggest threat to game since WWII, doesn't get any more extreme than that. Expect a few twists and turns to come.

Promoting Hearts won’t protect anyone but Hearts from Covid. In fact it makes the situation worse for everyone else as they all lose more money in a bigger league.


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