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Winston Ingram
27-08-2018, 08:11 AM
Is Ryan Gauld a dedicated AM? Because we don't need any more of them if we're also getting Allan.
He's more of 10 iirc
heretoday
27-08-2018, 08:21 AM
Would take Kenny Miller for a year
Why not? And get shot of Swanson. Waste of a wage.
BILLYHIBS
27-08-2018, 08:27 AM
Would take Kenny Miller for a year
I thought that would be the logical solution to lend experience to the young attackers, as an impact player and as an auld heid in the changing room but Lenny says not what we are looking for at this time. He must know what he is talking about as he worked with Kenny Miller at Celtic. :wink:
Borderhibbie76
27-08-2018, 09:03 AM
Shaw’s performance yesterday has probably triggered any move for another striker.
I had looked to me in other games this season, Shaw’s hold up play had come on leaps and bounds. Yesterday was a wake up call. He was awful.That's incredibly harsh...whilst I agree he wasn't great yesterday he was isolated up front on his own due to the fact he got little service and Boyle is utterly useless up front and kept drifting all over the place. He battled away all afternoon and was certainly not rubbish...
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JimBHibees
27-08-2018, 09:08 AM
That's incredibly harsh...whilst I agree he wasn't great yesterday he was isolated up front on his own due to the fact he got little service and Boyle is utterly useless up front and kept drifting all over the place. He battled away all afternoon and was certainly not rubbish...
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Bit ironic that is it not. :greengrin
eastmainsmsh
27-08-2018, 09:10 AM
Graeme Dorrans fi the Rangers would be a good player in sitting mid
Borderhibbie76
27-08-2018, 09:11 AM
Bit ironic that is it not. :greengrinNot really Boyle is a fantastic wide player for us and I blame our manager for persisting with him up front when he cannot play that position. He has missed I don't know how many 1 on 1s already this season yet seems to be free from criticism whilst young Shaw is getting slated?? I really like Boyle and he gives 110% every week but his finishing is just woeful at times and he gave Ollie little support as a strike partner at weekend
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Since90+2
27-08-2018, 09:16 AM
Shaw is a good young player with potential but he is not good enough to lead the line by himself, especially against defensively strong sides like Aberdeen. He needs to get himself in the gym and fill out abit as he was easily shrugged off the ball a good few times.
SirDavidsNapper
27-08-2018, 09:19 AM
Why not? And get shot of Swanson. Waste of a wage.
Best for all involved if he's moved on.
SirDavidsNapper
27-08-2018, 09:23 AM
Shaw is a good young player with potential but he is not good enough to lead the line by himself, especially against defensively strong sides like Aberdeen. He needs to get himself in the gym and fill out abit as he was easily shrugged off the ball a good few times.
Exactly. He was leading the line against Aberdeen, the team that's finished 2nd four seasons on the bounce, not Arbroath. It was a tough ask for a young lad. Agree he needs more upper body strength. A season out on loan to the Championship would do him the world of good (if we had more strikers to pick from).
500miles
27-08-2018, 09:30 AM
I can't believe people are talking about loaning a player with Shaw's scoring record, including big games, to a championship team. It's mind blowing. It's as if we're suddenly too big to develop our own players and need others to do it for us.
Blaster
27-08-2018, 09:37 AM
I can't believe people are talking about loaning a player with Shaw's scoring record, including big games, to a championship team. It's mind blowing. It's as if we're suddenly too big to develop our own players and need others to do it for us.
Exactly Shaw should be going nowhere but is also not a main hold up striker (yet)
bingo70
27-08-2018, 09:42 AM
I can't believe people are talking about loaning a player with Shaw's scoring record, including big games, to a championship team. It's mind blowing. It's as if we're suddenly too big to develop our own players and need others to do it for us.
It's not really.
It's just that people are basing their opinion on what they are seeing in a game, not his stats.
When i saw him last season i was far from convinced, this season he's really started to win me over but Saturday got me thinking if he is going to be of the standard we want to get to. Could he be a good SPFL striker and have a decent career ahead of him? Yes, i think he probably could. Will it be for a team wanting to compete for European places? I've got my doubts.
My concern about him isn't anything to do with his strength, i just don't think that will ever be his game. I just felt he is a bit one paced. I genuinely don't meant this in a negative way but he reminds me a bit of Colin Nish. Nish had a decent scoring record in spells and had a pretty good career, i don't think he'd be of the standard we are looking for now though.
I think the modern striker needs to either be quick, strong or able to come a bit deeper and play the number 10 role. I don't really see Shaw fitting into any of those roles. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong though.
Callum_62
27-08-2018, 09:44 AM
Shaws good young back up with potential
Hes not ready to be up top on his own
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SirDavidsNapper
27-08-2018, 09:48 AM
Hopefully we hear something on Milligans work permit soon. The sooner he's in and training with Lennon and the team the better. I've got a good feeling about him. Think we may have played a blinder.
bingo70
27-08-2018, 09:49 AM
Shaws good young back up with potential
Hes not ready to be up top on his own
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I'm not sure if it's a case of him not being ready, i don't think he will ever be the type of striker that plays up front himself.
I think he needs someone beside him (Kamberi) to take the physical hits and he can do the other stuff. If Jamie Maclaren started the game i think we'd have seen a similar performance as he's never a lone striker either. I don't think anybody would be saying he wasn't ready though, that's just not his game.
Heisenberg
27-08-2018, 09:52 AM
I'm not sure if it's a case of him not being ready, i don't think he will ever be the type of striker that plays up front himself.
I think he needs someone beside him (Kamberi) to take the physical hits and he can do the other stuff. If Jamie Maclaren started the game i think we'd have seen a similar performance as he's never a lone striker either. I don't think anybody would be saying he wasn't ready though, that's just not his game.
Definitely agree with that. Shaw isn’t that kind of striker just because he’s tall. He’s a goal poacher/finisher.
JimBHibees
27-08-2018, 10:05 AM
Not really Boyle is a fantastic wide player for us and I blame our manager for persisting with him up front when he cannot play that position. He has missed I don't know how many 1 on 1s already this season yet seems to be free from criticism whilst young Shaw is getting slated?? I really like Boyle and he gives 110% every week but his finishing is just woeful at times and he gave Ollie little support as a strike partner at weekend
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Boyle can clearly play that position whether it is his best is another thing. To call him utterly useless as a striker is incredibly harsh. With McLaren getting up to speed and Kamberi injured seemed reasonable to play him there what with Gray playing well also.
Nicho87
27-08-2018, 10:08 AM
I’d love to see a front four of Boyle and Horgan wide.
Kamberi and MacLaren in centre.
1van Sprou7e
27-08-2018, 10:27 AM
I’d love to see a front four of Boyle and Horgan wide.
Kamberi and MacLaren in centre.
They're both good at tracking back and getting stuck in so it could work
fat freddy
27-08-2018, 12:18 PM
Just saw a tweet on some hibs fans twitter saying Steven Fletcher returning on loan. No idea if there's any truth in it.
matty_f
27-08-2018, 12:27 PM
Just saw a tweet on some hibs fans twitter saying Steven Fletcher returning on loan. No idea if there's any truth in it.
Surely you must know if it's true that you saw a tweet? :greengrin
stantonsboots
27-08-2018, 12:31 PM
Mallan has a great set piece and has a good hit on him...but there's no doubt he is taking time to adjust to his new role.
At the moment he's too soft.
utter mince
SHODAN
27-08-2018, 12:35 PM
The Wallace nonsense is gaining traction on Facebook.
coldingham hibs
27-08-2018, 12:38 PM
Just saw a tweet on some hibs fans twitter saying Steven Fletcher returning on loan. No idea if there's any truth in it.
Fletch is still involved with the Sheffield Wednesday squad so I think this is unlikely.
04Sauzee
27-08-2018, 12:53 PM
The Wallace nonsense is gaining traction on Facebook.
Playing for The Rangers reserves today I believe so more than unlikely
stantonsboots
27-08-2018, 01:13 PM
The Wallace nonsense is gaining traction on Facebook.that's because its true! money the stumbling block i'm told?
OtleyHibs
27-08-2018, 01:24 PM
that's because its true! money the stumbling block i'm told?
If that’s true he should offer us more money for the honour of wearing the jersey! 😄
Souter96Mac
27-08-2018, 01:32 PM
I'd be more than happy if we finished this week with Allan coming in. If I was being extra greedy, another forward for depth and left back cover.
SHODAN
27-08-2018, 01:34 PM
that's because its true! money the stumbling block i'm told?
He's a Hibs man, money shouldn't be an obstacle to playing for his boyhood heroes.
IWasThere2016
27-08-2018, 01:36 PM
Fletch is still involved with the Sheffield Wednesday squad so I think this is unlikely.
Over 12 months since his last goal...
Iggy Pope
27-08-2018, 01:50 PM
Shannon was definitely a thing pre relegation when he was, if we're being honest, a powderpuff *****bag at times prior to the man up lessons he seems to have taken.
I seriously resent this post.....
Brightside
27-08-2018, 02:19 PM
Shannon was definitely a thing pre relegation when he was, if we're being honest, a powderpuff *****bag at times prior to the man up lessons he seems to have taken.
This is worse that the Hibs Page Facebook chat.
bigwheel
27-08-2018, 02:22 PM
Shannon was definitely a thing pre relegation when he was, if we're being honest, a powderpuff *****bag at times prior to the man up lessons he seems to have taken.
There is so much wrong with this post ..it’s hard to know where to start..
I’ll start though by saying I’ve never - at any time - heard that term used ....
IGRIGI
27-08-2018, 02:24 PM
There is some serious revision going on if no one remembers Hanlon struggling to get through 90 minutes without bursting into tears up against various SPL huddies prior to relegation.
bookert
27-08-2018, 02:29 PM
There is some serious revision going on if no one remembers Hanlon struggling to get through 90 minutes without bursting into tears up against various SPL huddies prior to relegation.
Eh? He was injured and didn't play in the relegation run in. Many fans me included don't think we would have got relegated had he been fit.
Speedway
27-08-2018, 02:31 PM
utter mince
I wouldn’t say Mallan’s that bad.
bigwheel
27-08-2018, 02:32 PM
There is some serious revision going on if no one remembers Hanlon struggling to get through 90 minutes without bursting into tears up against various SPL huddies prior to relegation.
That’s just bull****...has he improved yes..was he this “weakling” you imply - not at all
There is some serious revision going on if no one remembers Hanlon struggling to get through 90 minutes without bursting into tears up against various SPL huddies prior to relegation.
And there are some serious arms & legs growing on your story. What pleasure do you get out of it?
Heisenberg
27-08-2018, 02:35 PM
There is some serious revision going on if no one remembers Hanlon struggling to get through 90 minutes without bursting into tears up against various SPL huddies prior to relegation.
Hanlon did used to get dominated by the likes of Higdon, but there wasn’t many in the league that could contain him in the season that he out scored Griffiths.
We were a shambles at the back for the majority of his stint at Hibs. No surprise that he’s improved playing beside the likes of Fontaine and McGregor opposed to Michael Nelson.
matty_f
27-08-2018, 02:45 PM
There is some serious revision going on if no one remembers Hanlon struggling to get through 90 minutes without bursting into tears up against various SPL huddies prior to relegation.
Laughable, really.
Smartie
27-08-2018, 02:46 PM
He was very occasionally bullied by a meaty huddy.
I remember the first time I saw him play CH - it was the night Danny Galbraith scored the winner at Parkhead, and he glided through the game with ease (he'd mainly played LB until that time.)
He's had a good few more of the latter than the former.
SanFranHibs
27-08-2018, 02:52 PM
The Wallace nonsense is gaining traction on Facebook.
Lee Wallace to Hibs?
Talk about the grass being greener. :greengrin
Hibeewilly
27-08-2018, 02:55 PM
Lee Wallace to Hibs?
Talk about the grass being greener. :greengrin
Please be true.....would be a terrific signing
JimBHibees
27-08-2018, 03:04 PM
Please be true.....would be a terrific signing
Really cant see this happening
Brightside
27-08-2018, 03:14 PM
There is some serious revision going on if no one remembers Hanlon struggling to get through 90 minutes without bursting into tears up against various SPL huddies prior to relegation.
Cmon Admin! :greengrin:greengrin
Since90+2
27-08-2018, 03:17 PM
Cmon Admin! :greengrin:greengrin
I dont think his comments would merit an admin stepping in however his opinion of Hanlon is wrong.
As most people would probably agree in his younger years he was bullied at times and not physically strong enough to be a top quality centre half but at no point was he ever a *****bag. He has developed into a fine player and one of the best centre halfs in the league.
Brightside
27-08-2018, 03:18 PM
I dont think his comments would merit an admin stepping in however his opinion of Hanlon is wrong.
As most people would probably agree in his younger years he was bullied at times and not physically strong enough to be a top quality centre half but at no point was he ever a *****bag. He has developed into a fine player and one of the best centre halfs in the league.
He's trolling. 100%
Speedway
27-08-2018, 03:22 PM
He's trolling. 100%
I suspect you’re right but what if this really is his/her opinion?
We might as well host this site on North Korean servers given how no one is allowed to have an opinion that criticises a core Hibs player without picking up points for their trouble.
Dancehibs
27-08-2018, 03:22 PM
Please be true.....would be a terrific signing
Providing he’s not finished I’d take him. Add height and physical element to our squad
Brightside
27-08-2018, 03:24 PM
I suspect you’re right but what if this really is his/her opinion?
We might as well host this site on North Korean servers given how no one is allowed to have an opinion that criticises a core Hibs player without picking up points for their trouble.
His opinions is that a player burst out in tears during many of this games??? Its utter bull and shouldnt be entertained. There is nothing North Korean about giving a show off a wrap on the knuckles.
matty_f
27-08-2018, 03:29 PM
I suspect you’re right but what if this really is his/her opinion?
We might as well host this site on North Korean servers given how no one is allowed to have an opinion that criticises a core Hibs player without picking up points for their trouble.
We're very like North Korea. No dissenting voices allowed.
bawheid
27-08-2018, 03:30 PM
I suspect you’re right but what if this really is his/her opinion?
We might as well host this site on North Korean servers given how no one is allowed to have an opinion that criticises a core Hibs player without picking up points for their trouble.
It’s simple, post gash and people will pull you up for it. :wink:
Clarence
27-08-2018, 03:32 PM
His opinions is that a player burst out in tears during many of this games??? Its utter bull and shouldnt be entertained. There is nothing North Korean about giving a show off a wrap on the knuckles.
Mammy, daddy, polis...admin!
Brightside
27-08-2018, 03:34 PM
I thought the schools had gone back by now.
ancient hibee
27-08-2018, 03:35 PM
Please be true.....would be a terrific signing
He hasn't been fit for a year.
Speedway
27-08-2018, 03:35 PM
It’s simple, post gash and people will pull you up for it. :wink:
But gash in whose opinion? 🙂
Which ones count?
Posting that Bogdan is **** , for example, is allowed but try that for Hanlon, McLaren or Even Scott Allan who doesn’t even play for us and was dying to join Rangers when we did have him (on a contract I mean before some **** points out that he didn’t try to join Rangers while on loan last season)
Hibeewilly
27-08-2018, 03:51 PM
He hasn't been fit for a year.
Getting fit now though AH
ancient hibee
27-08-2018, 03:57 PM
Getting fit now though AH
May be but it's a long time to be out without it ever being one of the dreaded ligament problems.
JimBHibees
27-08-2018, 04:08 PM
Really cant see this happening
The more I think about it he and or his agent are probably putting it out there that Hibs are interested for force Hearts into buying him.
SHODAN
27-08-2018, 04:09 PM
The more I think about it he and or his agent are probably putting it out there that Hibs are interested for force Hearts into buying him.
They've just signed a left back and have no money.
JimBHibees
27-08-2018, 04:10 PM
They've just signed a left back and have no money.
Dont believe they have no money given the number of players they have brought in.
basehibby
27-08-2018, 04:20 PM
There is some serious revision going on if no one remembers Hanlon struggling to get through 90 minutes without bursting into tears up against various SPL huddies prior to relegation.
I went to many many games in all these seasons and can remember no such thing. Hanlon has undoubtably imprioved into a better player but at no point do I recall him being soft or powderpuff.
Conclusion - you are looking for attention. Well done - you have drawn a great deal of it with this stunning display of ********ry :aok:
matty_f
27-08-2018, 04:23 PM
But gash in whose opinion? 🙂
Which ones count?
Posting that Bogdan is **** , for example, is allowed but try that for Hanlon, McLaren or Even Scott Allan who doesn’t even play for us and was dying to join Rangers when we did have him (on a contract I mean before some **** points out that he didn’t try to join Rangers while on loan last season)
You'll notice that those comments Maclaren, Hanlon etc are all still there - it's just a lot of people (not necessarily the admins) disagree.
SideBurns
27-08-2018, 04:27 PM
I dont think his comments would merit an admin stepping in however his opinion of Hanlon is wrong.
As most people would probably agree in his younger years he was bullied at times and not physically strong enough to be a top quality centre half but at no point was he ever a *****bag. He has developed into a fine player and one of the best centre halfs in the league.
Having an unpopular opinion is one thing, but the poster's comments are insulting and derogatory towards a Hibs player who has always given the club 100% (as you'd expect from a lifelong Hibs fan). He's improved as he's got older - like mist centre-halves. I'm always respectful of the opinions of others but this is just utter s##te.
Dr Jimmy
27-08-2018, 04:38 PM
Are there any rumours of potential signings or targets 🙄
SouthMoroccoStu
27-08-2018, 04:47 PM
Are there any rumours of potential signings or targets 🙄
No this is the thread for slagging players
500miles
27-08-2018, 04:53 PM
No this is the thread for slagging players
Fair enough.
Stevie Mallan looks like he's about 35 years old, and has done since he broke into the St Mirren team.
BILLYHIBS
27-08-2018, 04:55 PM
No this is the thread for slagging players
:top marks
CRAZYHIBBY
27-08-2018, 04:58 PM
No this is the thread for slagging players
And puns
Tug Wilson
27-08-2018, 05:00 PM
But gash in whose opinion? 🙂
Which ones count?
Posting that Bogdan is **** , for example, is allowed but try that for Hanlon, McLaren or Even Scott Allan who doesn’t even play for us and was dying to join Rangers when we did have him (on a contract I mean before some **** points out that he didn’t try to join Rangers while on loan last season)
Good point. I think everyone should be able to post their opinion of a player on here whether good or bad. That is freedom of expression.
What they then have to accept is that others might not agree with their point of view and have the right of reply. Especially if their opinion is provocative.
Personally I try to make bold statements on a player's ability whether that be that they are brilliant or gash.
They are at Hibs. They have my support!
Heisenberg
27-08-2018, 05:39 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45322664
I’m hoping we see Milligan before late October...
HibbyKeith
27-08-2018, 05:48 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45322664
I’m hoping we see Milligan before late October...
Maclaren and Milligan will have to wait until late October for their first derby of the season.
Dont think it was referring to him not being her until then.
Heisenberg
27-08-2018, 06:06 PM
Maclaren and Milligan will have to wait until late October for their first derby of the season.
Dont think it was referring to him not being her until then.
I know, I was just worried that MacLaren said he hoped Milligan’s visa would be sorted for the first derby. I’m guessing he probably just didn’t realise how far away the derby was scheduled for.
BegbieHSC
27-08-2018, 08:57 PM
Do we have any rumours then....?
Hibbyradge
27-08-2018, 08:58 PM
Do we have any rumours then....?
:faf:
Hi Heid Yin
27-08-2018, 10:48 PM
Swanson might go, and the jury's out on Slivka, but Oli Shaw is here to stay.
The jury's now back in (for me anyway) re Slivka: verdict - sorry, but not good enough, and has had more than enough time to impact and impress.
Swanson: I've been holding out on this guy for 12 months and, like Slivka, I feel that he too has had more than enough time to impact and impress - and, sadly failed too.
Both players are, ironically, talented, and have shone during an odd moment in a game, but they are not of the standard we now require at Easter Road to continue that upward momentum, where we are challenging for the top SPL positions. Both players, I'm sure, will find their feet at other lower level (bottom 6 SPL perhaps) clubs and enjoy more game time. Swanson, I feel, found his level at St. Johnstone.
truehibernian
27-08-2018, 11:01 PM
The jury's now back in (for me anyway) re Slivka: verdict - sorry, but not good enough, and has had more than enough time to impact and impress.
Swanson: I've been holding out on this guy for 12 months and, like Slivka, I feel that he too has had more than enough time to impact and impress - and, sadly failed too.
Both players are, ironically, talented, and have shone during an odd moment in a game, but they are not of the standard we now require at Easter Road to continue that upward momentum, where we are challenging for the top SPL positions. Both players, I'm sure, will find their feet at other lower level (bottom 6 SPL perhaps) clubs and enjoy more game time. Swanson, I feel, found his level at St. Johnstone.
Three assists v The Rangers is the 5-5 game, a decisive winning goal v Celtic, and had Brandon had his shooting boots on VS would have had an assist within minutes of coming on at Tynecastle - so he had a fair impact in the post-split games when playing (or introduced). Great player, one who I think admittedly is a confidence player but a huge asset to have in the squad. I rate Slivka highly. It was his first season in the frenetic pace of the SPFL and he played well whenever he played, looking composed and naturally gifted on the ball (when I saw him).
B.H.F.C
27-08-2018, 11:08 PM
Three assists v The Rangers is the 5-5 game, a decisive winning goal v Celtic, and had Brandon had his shooting boots on VS would have had an assist within minutes of coming on at Tynecastle - so he had a fair impact in the post-split games when playing (or introduced). Great player, one who I think admittedly is a confidence player but a huge asset to have in the squad. I rate Slivka highly. It was his first season in the frenetic pace of the SPFL and he played well whenever he played, looking composed and naturally gifted on the ball (when I saw him).
A lot of what you say is right but he doesn’t look capable of holding down a starting place. Given the players we’ve lost in his position he should be making himself an absolute first pick. He couldn’t get a game at the weekend in a midfield 3 that consisted of Whittaker who isn’t an out and out midfielder, Horgan who is a winger and Mallan who is playing a bit deeper than you’d expect to see him. We have Milligan to come in and there is always the chance of another signing. Don’t think he’s done enough at the start of this season to convince.
truehibernian
27-08-2018, 11:17 PM
A lot of what you say is right but he doesn’t look capable of holding down a starting place. Given the players we’ve lost in his position he should be making himself an absolute first pick. He couldn’t get a game at the weekend in a midfield 3 that consisted of Whittaker who isn’t an out and out midfielder, Horgan who is a winger and Mallan who is playing a bit deeper than you’d expect to see him. We have Milligan to come in and there is always the chance of another signing. Don’t think he’s done enough at the start of this season to convince.
That's true but as the business end of the season proved it's a squad game and I'd rather have a player who has proven impact and/or can influence a game in a positive way. He may not be happy being a bit-part player but tell you what, he fairly puts a shift in and has influence when he plays - which in itself is testament to his character and desire to contribute despite lack of game time.
You could argue the same about Whittaker - yet I could argue that Whittaker had a hand in winning the last two games, against County doing well to keep the ball circulating for Horgan to eventually finish, and at the weekend playing in Horgan to pass to Hanlon. And Whittaker had as much action as Slivka really. Both are quality players in my book.
SHODAN
27-08-2018, 11:25 PM
Do we have any rumours then....?
What's a rumour, lol
The_Horde
27-08-2018, 11:48 PM
What's a rumour, lol
Wallace and Fletcher today. What more do you want?
hibees 7062
28-08-2018, 12:45 AM
Wallace and Fletcher today. What more do you want?
23 :greengrin
Haymaker
28-08-2018, 12:59 AM
Wallace and Fletcher today. What more do you want?
LG
Dancehibs
28-08-2018, 06:10 AM
Three assists v The Rangers is the 5-5 game, a decisive winning goal v Celtic, and had Brandon had his shooting boots on VS would have had an assist within minutes of coming on at Tynecastle - so he had a fair impact in the post-split games when playing (or introduced). Great player, one who I think admittedly is a confidence player but a huge asset to have in the squad. I rate Slivka highly. It was his first season in the frenetic pace of the SPFL and he played well whenever he played, looking composed and naturally gifted on the ball (when I saw him).
Sadly there are more poor performances than good ones. He got a start at Partick away last December in a central role, he was terrible. Shown the odd patches of good play this season but not starting last couple of games doesn’t look good. Especially when there are slots up for grabs. He has the talent. I’m not sure he has the desire to make it.
Dancehibs
28-08-2018, 06:32 AM
The jury's now back in (for me anyway) re Slivka: verdict - sorry, but not good enough, and has had more than enough time to impact and impress.
Swanson: I've been holding out on this guy for 12 months and, like Slivka, I feel that he too has had more than enough time to impact and impress - and, sadly failed too.
Both players are, ironically, talented, and have shone during an odd moment in a game, but they are not of the standard we now require at Easter Road to continue that upward momentum, where we are challenging for the top SPL positions. Both players, I'm sure, will find their feet at other lower level (bottom 6 SPL perhaps) clubs and enjoy more game time. Swanson, I feel, found his level at St. Johnstone.
Can’t agree Swanson has had a fair chance. Don’t know why but looks like time is up at Hibs. Personally he’s more than good enough to be making a solid contribution
Keyser Sauzee
28-08-2018, 06:50 AM
Can’t agree Swanson has had a fair chance. Don’t know why but looks like time is up at Hibs. Personally he’s more than good enough to be making a solid contribution
He’s been here long enough to force his way into Lennons team if he was good enough in training tho. I don’t think he’s good enough now to do that and should be moved on.
BSEJVT
28-08-2018, 07:05 AM
That Danny Swanson has ability I don't think there is any doubt.
We have seen so little of him though that its difficult to determine whether he is good enough for where we are / want to go.
One thing I would say though is that in one of his brief appearances this season he made a long penetrating run to the edge of the opposition box and the move broke down through no fault of his.
I was very shocked at the absolute lack of effort (fitness) he made in trying to get back involved with the play, that is none at all.
He picked himself up slowly and sauntered slowly back into position. This not long after coming on.
Lennon's team are full of guys busting a gut. if I were to guess this apparent lack of fitness / effort / application more than anything is Danny's downfall.
Crutch
28-08-2018, 07:29 AM
Three assists v The Rangers is the 5-5 game, a decisive winning goal v Celtic, and had Brandon had his shooting boots on VS would have had an assist within minutes of coming on at Tynecastle - so he had a fair impact in the post-split games when playing (or introduced). Great player, one who I think admittedly is a confidence player but a huge asset to have in the squad. I rate Slivka highly. It was his first season in the frenetic pace of the SPFL and he played well whenever he played, looking composed and naturally gifted on the ball (when I saw him).
I’ve made a few post previously on Slivka, I’ve got nothing against the guy and his attitude seems absolutely fine when he plays. So I wish him well whether he’s at Hibs or not..
But come on. We’re counting assists that he’s ‘nearly’ made? That’s just clutching at straws. Scott Allan ‘nearly’ made about 4 assists a game last season.. on top of the ones he actually did make. I also can’t agree that a great player would take this long to establish himself in our first 11. I don’t see any unique qualities which for me makes him ineffective far too often.
I don’t get the love affair that many seem to have for him, and I certainly don’t believe it would exist had we signed him from Ross County and not Juventus. I liken him to Fraser Fyvie in terms of style and impact. Look where he’s playing now.
I wouldn’t be too bothered if we kept him as a squad player this season - although I reckon his agent might have a thing or two to say about that.
Swanson was always very inconsistent, look at his career so far, one good season shows he is talented but he's not the most professional of players and the reason he's now just a bench player here.
Slivka was loaned out to lower league teams in the 3 years he was at Juve, again like Swanson he's talented but although he's professional he doesn't take the game by the scruff of the neck, some nice touches and movement but just not enough often enough.
makaveli1875
28-08-2018, 08:08 AM
Some unbelievabe comments about Slivka , he's had a couple of dodgy moments when he's been played out of position but he's been more than decent when played in his natural position . He's still pretty young and hasnt played alot of 1st team football . Get off the guys back ffs
calumhibee1
28-08-2018, 08:16 AM
Some unbelievabe comments about Slivka , he's had a couple of dodgy moments when he's been played out of position but he's been more than decent when played in his natural position . He's still pretty young and hasnt played alot of 1st team football . Get off the guys back ffs
If he’d been more than decent he’d be a regular starter surely? He’s a half decent player who could be a squad player here, possibly a starter elsewhere in our league. If we can get Allan in then I doubt he’ll have a lot of starts for the rest of the season.
B.H.F.C
28-08-2018, 08:17 AM
Some unbelievabe comments about Slivka , he's had a couple of dodgy moments when he's been played out of position but he's been more than decent when played in his natural position . He's still pretty young and hasnt played alot of 1st team football . Get off the guys back ffs
We’re not talking about a young untried youngster here.
He’s a 23 year old, international footballer. It’s time for him to step up and show the talent he has consistently. If he doesn’t do it now, given our current shortage in midfield, he simply isn’t going to.
Some unbelievabe comments about Slivka , he's had a couple of dodgy moments when he's been played out of position but he's been more than decent when played in his natural position . He's still pretty young and hasnt played alot of 1st team football . Get off the guys back ffs
He's 23, how long do we give the guy?
I liked him at first as he looked a player, composed and with good feet and balance but he's now into his 2nd year and he should be a regular starter by now, jeez even Whittaker is getting a game before him.
He reminds me of Fyvie, tidy enough, can play 3-4 positions in midfield but never really looks like being a standout, very much a squad player.
makaveli1875
28-08-2018, 08:27 AM
He's 23, how long do we give the guy?
I liked him at first as he looked a player, composed and with good feet and balance but he's now into his 2nd year and he should be a regular starter by now, jeez even Whittaker is getting a game before him.
He reminds me of Fyvie, tidy enough, can play 3-4 positions in midfield but never really looks like being a standout, very much a squad player.
Whittaker is getting a game because he can play DM . He was trying to get a place in our best midfield in decades last season ,got injured . When he did play he was scoring winners against Rangers and Celtic .
He's nothing like Fyvie , he gets forward slips passes in for the strikers and chips in with the odd important goal - Fyvie ran about like a headless chicken making sideways passes along the midfield and would never be scoring goals at Ibrox or against Celtic
GreenArmyyy!
28-08-2018, 08:34 AM
LG
There’s no danger Liam Gallagher is signing for Hibs, he’s too much in to his “cigarettes and alcohol” now.
BILLYHIBS
28-08-2018, 08:36 AM
Whittaker is getting a game because he can play DM . He was trying to get a place in our best midfield in decades last season ,got injured . When he did play he was scoring winners against Rangers and Celtic .
He's nothing like Fyvie , he gets forward slips passes in for the strikers and chips in with the odd important goal - Fyvie ran about like a headless chicken making sideways passes along the midfield and would never be scoring goals at Ibrox or against Celtic
Fyvie shudda signed the contract when he had the chance.....Big Mistake!
Still a Scottish Cup winning legend though! :wink:
tonyrougier123
28-08-2018, 08:36 AM
I think fyvie would've been ideal in this midfield right now,good ball winner.
anon1875
28-08-2018, 08:36 AM
Slivka is a quality player and will be useful at times when required.
GreenArmyyy!
28-08-2018, 08:38 AM
I think fyvie would've been ideal in this midfield right now,good ball winner.
No way. Fyvie was as average as they come in the midfield. There’s a reason he’s down in the championship now.
Scotty Leither
28-08-2018, 08:51 AM
No way. Fyvie was as average as they come in the midfield. There’s a reason he’s down in the championship now.
I think that's being a bit unfair on Fyvie...he was one of these players that kept things ticking over and he played to win as well, we've not had a lot of them up until the last few years.
Look at his role in the second and third goal in the Cup final, too. I think he regrets not re-signing his contract and I'll certainly give him a cheer if he plays at Easter Road again, whoever that's for.
mayo hibee
28-08-2018, 08:52 AM
I think Fyvie would have been moved into Swanson territory by now if he had signed on. Think he would have lost his first team place and we'd be looking to offload him at this stage.
Whittaker is getting a game because he can play DM . He was trying to get a place in our best midfield in decades last season ,got injured . When he did play he was scoring winners against Rangers and Celtic .
He's nothing like Fyvie , he gets forward slips passes in for the strikers and chips in with the odd important goal - Fyvie ran about like a headless chicken making sideways passes along the midfield and would never be scoring goals at Ibrox or against Celtic
You really think Slivka couldn't have done what Whittaker did on saturday, he sat in front of the back 3 and made a couple tackles and a few decent passes, something Slivka should and could do in his sleep. It was a big game on saturday and a game where you needed your best players playing, with his talent Slivka should be giving Lennon an easy job by picking him but he's not at the moment, how long do we wait to see if he's gonna make it here.
GreenArmyyy!
28-08-2018, 09:03 AM
I think that's being a bit unfair on Fyvie...he was one of these players that kept things ticking over and he played to win as well, we've not had a lot of them up until the last few years.
Look at his role in the second and third goal in the Cup final, too. I think he regrets not re-signing his contract and I'll certainly give him a cheer if he plays at Easter Road again, whoever that's for.
Whilst I’ll always appreciate his role in the cup run of 2016, I always felt he slowed the game down and was a very poor version of Dylan McGeouch. Also what has stuck with me was when we went 0-2 down to Aberdeen at Hampden in 2017 and he was taken off to be replaced by Holt after 35 mins or so he trudged off slow enough that he could have been accused of time wasting. I get he will have been gutted but the team is more important at the end of the day. Don’t know why that’s stuck with me so much but it has.
GreenArmyyy!
28-08-2018, 09:06 AM
Re Slivka, don’t think he is quite good enough sadly, he’s been unlucky in the sense of who he was competing with for places last year and thought he did well when he did get game time. I actually thought he’d be able to step up as the main man in midfield this season but to be honest I’ve been disappointed. Him and Mallan aren’t able to control a midfield and can go missing at times. I’m fine with Mallan doing that because he offsets that by providing goals from midfield, Slivka doesn’t really do that and we can’t have two CM’s like that, especially in big games.
K-Zazu
28-08-2018, 09:06 AM
Whilst I’ll always appreciate his role in the cup run of 2016, I always felt he slowed the game down and was a very poor version of Dylan McGeouch. Also what has stuck with me was when we went 0-2 down to Aberdeen at Hampden in 2017 and he was taken off to be replaced by Holt after 35 mins or so he trudged off slow enough that he could have been accused of time wasting. I get he will have been gutted but the team is more important at the end of the day. Don’t know why that’s stuck with me so much but it has.
Heard a few stories about Fyvie since he left comes across as a bit of a dick
GreenArmyyy!
28-08-2018, 09:07 AM
Heard a few stories about Fyvie since he left comes across as a bit of a dick
From whenever I’ve met him he’s been as you would expect, a dour Aberdonian... lol
makaveli1875
28-08-2018, 09:34 AM
You really think Slivka couldn't have done what Whittaker did on saturday, he sat in front of the back 3 and made a couple tackles and a few decent passes, something Slivka should and could do in his sleep. It was a big game on saturday and a game where you needed your best players playing, with his talent Slivka should be giving Lennon an easy job by picking him but he's not at the moment, how long do we wait to see if he's gonna make it here.
Id give him this season at least . We had alot of talent in midfield last season , anyone would have struggled to get into that .
FWIW if i was picking the team Slivka wouldnt make my starting 11 , i just think some of the criticism is way over the top and wanting to bin him is a bit harsh .
Greenworld
28-08-2018, 09:43 AM
Where's all the rumours. 3 players maybe but who:
Scott allan is it happening
Mulumbu yes or no
Kamara yes or no ( maybe with swanson going there)
LG no transfer window complete without him [emoji23][emoji23]
Lee Wallace ... was it rubbish
Guy from NF Zach clough
Kenny miller back up / coach
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Hibbyradge
28-08-2018, 09:48 AM
Where's all the rumours. 3 players maybe but who:
Scott allan is it happening
Mulumbu yes or no
Kamara yes or no ( maybe with swanson going there)
LG no transfer window complete without him [emoji23][emoji23]
Lee Wallace ... was it rubbish
Guy from NF Zach clough
Kenny miller back up / coach
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You're not expecting answers on here, are you?
I'll check them out for you. PM me on Saturday and I'll let you know.
Stevie Reid
28-08-2018, 09:48 AM
Killie sign Greg Stewart on loan:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45329627
MWHIBBIES
28-08-2018, 09:51 AM
No way. Fyvie was as average as they come in the midfield. There’s a reason he’s down in the championship now.Half of our current team played 3 years in the Championship. Means nothing. Fyvie is a good player.
wandering_hibee
28-08-2018, 09:53 AM
Re Slivka, don’t think he is quite good enough sadly, he’s been unlucky in the sense of who he was competing with for places last year and thought he did well when he did get game time. I actually thought he’d be able to step up as the main man in midfield this season but to be honest I’ve been disappointed. Him and Mallan aren’t able to control a midfield and can go missing at times. I’m fine with Mallan doing that because he offsets that by providing goals from midfield, Slivka doesn’t really do that and we can’t have two CM’s like that, especially in big games.
100% agree. I was really expecting Slivka to come good this year and unfortunately he hasn't delivered. He does go missing and as you say he hasn't even managed the redeeming feature of scoring. I think he may well leave this transfer window and personally would like to see him replaced with a box to box type plaver or at the very least someone who works hard, tackles well and doesn't give the ball away.
Ronniekirk
28-08-2018, 09:53 AM
Where's all the rumours. 3 players maybe but who:
Scott allan is it happening
Mulumbu yes or no
Kamara yes or no ( maybe with swanson going there)
LG no transfer window complete without him [emoji23][emoji23]
Lee Wallace ... was it rubbish
Guy from NF Zach clough
Kenny miller back up / coach
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Think it will go to Deadline day Lennon will want the best players he can get in and he needs to offload a few So wheeling and dealing will be going on to get them over the line But he will want to be able to bring in the Rabbit Out The Hat signing if one is available on the last day
GreenArmyyy!
28-08-2018, 09:56 AM
100% agree. I was really expecting Slivka to come good this year and unfortunately he hasn't delivered. He does go missing and as you say he hasn't even managed the redeeming feature of scoring. I think he may well leave this transfer window and personally would like to see him replaced with a box to box type plaver or at the very least someone who works hard, tackles well and doesn't give the ball away.
I keep getting shot down for saying it but as things stand out midfield will get over run in many games this season and we will get bullied in derbies with the side the way it is at the money, we are far too lightweight and lack real bite, Milligan may help change that but to be honest I still think we need another I.E Mulumbu or Kamara.
Greenworld
28-08-2018, 09:57 AM
You're not expecting answers on here, are you?
I'll check them out for you. PM me on Saturday and I'll let you know.Good answer [emoji23][emoji23]
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calumhibee1
28-08-2018, 09:58 AM
I keep getting shot down for saying it but as things stand out midfield will get over run in many games this season and we will get bullied in derbies with the side the way it is at the money, we are far too lightweight and lack real bite, Milligan may help change that but to be honest I still think we need another I.E Mulumbu or Kamara.
I agree to an extent. Milligan could help big time so we’ll see once he’s in the team but I’d much prefer to see us going with a central 3 where two of them have a bit power and strength. Milligan, Mulumbu and Allan or Mallan would be perfect.
GreenArmyyy!
28-08-2018, 10:01 AM
I agree to an extent. Milligan could help big time so we’ll see once he’s in the team but I’d much prefer to see us going with a central 3 where two of them have a bit power and strength. Milligan, Mulumbu and Allan or Mallan would be perfect.
Couldn’t agree more mate.
The_Horde
28-08-2018, 10:06 AM
I agree to an extent. Milligan could help big time so we’ll see once he’s in the team but I’d much prefer to see us going with a central 3 where two of them have a bit power and strength. Milligan, Mulumbu and Allan or Mallan would be perfect.
To be fair, we only really had one of those towards the end of last season in Mcginn. Mcgeouch was similar in stature to Mallan and Allan is, well.. Allan.
Allant1981
28-08-2018, 10:12 AM
I keep getting shot down for saying it but as things stand out midfield will get over run in many games this season and we will get bullied in derbies with the side the way it is at the money, we are far too lightweight and lack real bite, Milligan may help change that but to be honest I still think we need another I.E Mulumbu or Kamara.
last seasons second best team in the country didnt over run our midfield last weekend so doubt that many others will manage it
Blaster
28-08-2018, 10:13 AM
I would like to see Slivka go out on loan and get a full season of starting games under his belt
Callum_62
28-08-2018, 10:18 AM
I would like to see Slivka go out on loan and get a full season of starting games under his belt
We cant be loaning out full internationals
If rather he stayed here and contributed - whether he does that enough is up to him
Hes certainly a more than decent squad player
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Blaster
28-08-2018, 10:20 AM
We cant be loaning out full internationals
If rather he stayed here and contributed - whether he does that enough is up to him
Hes certainly a more than decent squad player
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We can if it benefits us in the longer term. He’s not started lots of games in his career and I think he needs that for a sustained period. Just not sure he will get that at us this season
GreenArmyyy!
28-08-2018, 10:21 AM
last seasons second best team in the country didnt over run our midfield last weekend so doubt that many others will manage it
Aberdeen are also significantly weaker than last season. We hardly set the heather alight on Saturday did we?
If a game turns in to a battle, as it stands, we’ll lose IMO.
I would like to see Slivka go out on loan and get a full season of starting games under his belt
Don't think that'll happen, he was on loan for the 3 years he was at Juve, can't see him doing that here now. He's had a year to bed in and now it's time to deliver, at the moment he's simply a squad player and no more, is that what he wants or needs, maybe he'll make Lennon's mind up for him. I'd keep him for back up but at the moment that's all, definitely not a starter.
Callum_62
28-08-2018, 10:24 AM
Wasnt it a recent european game that folk were raving about Slivka?
Funny player, but i rate him enough to want as part of our squad
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bingo70
28-08-2018, 10:25 AM
We cant be loaning out full internationals
If rather he stayed here and contributed - whether he does that enough is up to him
Hes certainly a more than decent squad player
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So if he was German for example and had no chance of getting a call up we could loan him out but because he happened to be born in a country that are pish at football we shouldn't loan him out?
Don't follow your logic tbh. The fact he's a full international is irrelevant IMO. I think all parties would benefit from a loan to a club where midfield places aren't as competitive. Dundee, Motherwell or St Mirren for a while would be a good move IMO.
Callum_62
28-08-2018, 10:26 AM
So if he was German for example and had no chance of getting a call up we could loan him out but because he happened to be born in a country that are pish at football we shouldn't loan him out?
Don't follow your logic tbh. The fact he's a full international is irrelevant IMO. I think all parties would benefit from a loan to a club where midfield places aren't as competitive. Dundee, Motherwell or St Mirren for a while would be a good move IMO.
Lithuania are hardly pish
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Gotta love Hibs Net at times. There's a common theme emerging here re Slivka & Swanson, namely that as they can't get a game with us they mustn't be good enough, not showing enough in training etc. Meanwhile nearly the whole board ( me included ) is salivating over the prospect of a return for Scott Allan, who hasn't featured anywhere for Celtc all season. Before everyone says, ah that's because it's Celtc, Scotty only started 6 league games for Dundee in the 1st half of last season. We have to remember managers are only human, they have their favourites & they also have players they don't get. A favourite for Stubbs might not be quoted by Lenny & vice versa. That doesn't make them bad players. Personally I think Danny & Slivka (to a lesser extent) haven't had a great opportunity to show what they can do in their favoured position for a sustained period. However we can only play 11(14) at any time & you can't just choose your 11 best players. If either or both of them leave I'll be disappointed but if it means Scotty returns, my tears will be drying very quickly!
Hermit Crab
28-08-2018, 10:32 AM
Is Slivka going to become the new scapegoat? Some incredible comments about him. He is a quality player.
scoopyboy
28-08-2018, 10:35 AM
No way. Fyvie was as average as they come in the midfield. There’s a reason he’s down in the championship now.
If Fyvie and Hanlon had played against Ross County we would have scooshed the League Cup Final.
bigwheel
28-08-2018, 10:39 AM
No way. Fyvie was as average as they come in the midfield. There’s a reason he’s down in the championship now.
Don’t agree with you - fully expect Fyvie to get back playing when fit and get a decent move ....very reliable and effective midfielder
Would happily have him in our squad again
BSEJVT
28-08-2018, 10:41 AM
Is Slivka going to become the new scapegoat? Some incredible comments about him. He is a quality player.
Personally don't see at this stage how anyone can either say that or say that he is pish as we haven't seen enough of him on a sustained basis.
That in itself is a damning criticism given he has been here for a year.
He shows flashes of ability but then long periods of nothing.
I keep expecting a player to emerge from the cocoon but the likelihood of that happening diminishes each times he plays and it doesn't.
What I don't like about him is that he always seems to arrive a fraction too late to make a challenge and his body language and demeanour are awful.
He looks as though he would rather be anywhere else when you see him sauntering about as a sub.
B.H.F.C
28-08-2018, 10:43 AM
Is Slivka going to become the new scapegoat? Some incredible comments about him. He is a quality player.
Why does someone automatically become a ‘scapegoat’ when anybody says anything negative about them?
He has qualities, but to say he’s quality when he isn’t a first pick in our current midfield is pushing it a bit is it not?
SirDavidsNapper
28-08-2018, 10:45 AM
Getting exciting now with the lead up to the transfer window closing. Im sure Lennon will have a couple of gems lined up!
Blaster
28-08-2018, 10:46 AM
Is Slivka going to become the new scapegoat? Some incredible comments about him. He is a quality player.
Definitely not a scapegoat for me. However if Slivka going on loan means we can bring in Scott Allan whilst getting Slivka a run of games elsewhere is a win/win for me
calumhibee1
28-08-2018, 10:47 AM
Gotta love Hibs Net at times. There's a common theme emerging here re Slivka & Swanson, namely that as they can't get a game with us they mustn't be good enough, not showing enough in training etc. Meanwhile nearly the whole board ( me included ) is salivating over the prospect of a return for Scott Allan, who hasn't featured anywhere for Celtc all season. Before everyone says, ah that's because it's Celtc, Scotty only started 6 league games for Dundee in the 1st half of last season. We have to remember managers are only human, they have their favourites & they also have players they don't get. A favourite for Stubbs might not be quoted by Lenny & vice versa. That doesn't make them bad players. Personally I think Danny & Slivka (to a lesser extent) haven't had a great opportunity to show what they can do in their favoured position for a sustained period. However we can only play 11(14) at any time & you can't just choose your 11 best players. If either or both of them leave I'll be disappointed but if it means Scotty returns, my tears will be drying very quickly!
What Scott Allan does elsewhere is pretty irrelevant though. When he pulls on a Hibs strip he’s one of the best players in the league. The fact he played 6 games for Dundee before coming to us is irrelevant because when he came back to us he was outstanding. He could have been on the bench for Spartans before he signed for us for all it matters.
People keep saying how Slivka needs a sustained run in the team to show what he can do but the good players generally don’t need that. Since January we’ve had Allan, Flo, Mallan and Horgan all hit the ground running because they’re good players. Who was the last guy who came in, took ages to get up and running and then became a mainstay of the team? I can’t think of one off the top of my head really. I always just think it’s an excuse to give guys numerous chances in the hope they’ll come good.
makaveli1875
28-08-2018, 10:48 AM
Getting exciting now with the lead up to the transfer window closing. Im sure Lennon will have a couple of gems lined up!
Zander Diamond ?
Craig_HFC
28-08-2018, 10:48 AM
100% agree. I was really expecting Slivka to come good this year and unfortunately he hasn't delivered. He does go missing and as you say he hasn't even managed the redeeming feature of scoring. I think he may well leave this transfer window and personally would like to see him replaced with a box to box type plaver or at the very least someone who works hard, tackles well and doesn't give the ball away.
Are you having a laugh? It's still August FFS!
This place really is ****ing insane at times. It looks like this season's scapegoats have been selected in Whittaker & Slivka...
:rolleyes:
Stevie Reid
28-08-2018, 10:50 AM
What Scott Allan does elsewhere is pretty irrelevant though. When he pulls on a Hibs strip he’s one of the best players in the league. The fact he played 6 games for Dundee before coming to us is irrelevant because when he came back to us he was outstanding. He could have been on the bench for Spartans before he signed for us for all it matters.
People keep saying how Slivka needs a sustained run in the team to show what he can do but the good players generally don’t need that. Since January we’ve had Allan, Flo, Mallan and Horgan all hit the ground running because they’re good players. Who was the last guy who came in, took ages to get up and running and then became a mainstay of the team? I can’t think of one off the top of my head really. I always just think it’s an excuse to give guys numerous chances in the hope they’ll come good.
How many players come in and score winning goals away at Ibrox and at home v Celtic in their first season with us? Slivka made some meaningful contributions last season, at both ends of the campaign, and was injured for many weeks too.
I can understand why some might not be fully convinced by him (I rate him, and think he will be a good player for us), but some people don't half exaggerate the perceived negatives, as perfectly exemplified by some of the most recent posts - where even his body language as a sub is being negatively assessed.
SideBurns
28-08-2018, 10:52 AM
Is Slivka going to become the new scapegoat? Some incredible comments about him. He is a quality player.
I also think it's worth recalling that he scored 2 top quality winners v The Huns & Celtic last season. I agree he needs to push on, but I'd rather give him the chance to do it here than elsewhere. We need different kinds of players and options for midfield in what is going to be a long season (particularly with the run in Europe we've already had). If it doesn't work out for him then so be it, but he's definitely worth holding onto at the moment, imo.
Crazyhorse
28-08-2018, 10:58 AM
Zander Diamond ?
A couple? Pele and Eusebio?
For older viewers....
calumhibee1
28-08-2018, 10:59 AM
How many players come in and score winning goals away at Ibrox and at home v Celtic in their first season with us? Slivka made some meaningful contributions last season, at both ends of the campaign, and was injured for many weeks too.
I can understand why some might not be fully convinced by him (I rate him, and think he will be a good player for us), but some people don't half exaggerate the perceived negatives, as perfectly exemplified by some of the most recent posts - where even his body language as a sub is being negatively assessed.
But between doing that he done very little which is the issue. I don’t think he’s a bad player and I agree he did make a couple of contributions last year, but I just don’t think he’s that great either. I was going to say capable of some good and some bad but I wouldn’t even say he’s ever bad as such, he’s just totally anonymous far too often for me. I wouldn’t worry about keeping him on our books as a squad player but equally I’d lose no sleep if he was moved on to free up a wage for someone else.
Stevie Reid
28-08-2018, 11:11 AM
But between doing that he done very little which is the issue. I don’t think he’s a bad player and I agree he did make a couple of contributions last year, but I just don’t think he’s that great either. I was going to say capable of some good and some bad but I wouldn’t even say he’s ever bad as such, he’s just totally anonymous far too often for me. I wouldn’t worry about keeping him on our books as a squad player but equally I’d lose no sleep if he was moved on to free up a wage for someone else.
He was injured for three months between Jan and March. Before then he featured in many games, in which our form was good.
I would be amazed if we were even remotely thinking of moving him on. He started 5 out of 6 European games, the only one he didn't was the dead rubber in the Faroes. As I said, fair enough that some are not convinced, but some of the derogatory comments on here about him are bizarre.
allmodcons
28-08-2018, 11:22 AM
Are you having a laugh? It's still August FFS!
This place really is ****ing insane at times. It looks like this season's scapegoats have been selected in Whittaker & Slivka...
:rolleyes:
Agree 100%. We have a couple of scapegoats in Whittaker & Slivka and this after a decent start to the season.
There will be some serious nonsense posted on here if our form dips.
DstN75
28-08-2018, 11:26 AM
Whilst I’ll always appreciate his role in the cup run of 2016, I always felt he slowed the game down and was a very poor version of Dylan McGeouch. Also what has stuck with me was when we went 0-2 down to Aberdeen at Hampden in 2017 and he was taken off to be replaced by Holt after 35 mins or so he trudged off slow enough that he could have been accused of time wasting. I get he will have been gutted but the team is more important at the end of the day. Don’t know why that’s stuck with me so much but it has.
That's stuck with me too, oddly enough. Seemed really unprofessional and petulant.
I never thought he was all that good as a player. Like not at all bad, but nothing more than average.
Stevie Reid
28-08-2018, 11:26 AM
Mitchell back to Hearts imminent, Burns going on loan to Livi:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45331740
blackpoolhibs
28-08-2018, 11:38 AM
I would like to see Slivka go out on loan and get a full season of starting games under his belt
What is it with this fascination of loaning out players that are good quality squad/team players?
We need a strong squad, which means there will be players of variable quality, but players who we will need over the course of a season.
If we loan him out, along with others like Porteous and Shaw who i've also seen posts saying they should be loaned out, we'd need replacements in, where is this money coming from and would they be any better?
Either you have it or you dont, and over the course of last season, Slivka contributed towards us gaining 4th place.
We have lost a whole midfield, and to be perfectly honest, we need more stability, we dont need even more players coming in who'd need time to adjust.
If he's not a starter, he's a player who can come in and contribute, which he has done to some very good effect at times.
What is it with this fascination of loaning out players that are good quality squad/team players?
We need a strong squad, which means there will be players of variable quality, but players who we will need over the course of a season.
If we loan him out, along with others like Porteous and Shaw who i've also seen posts saying they should be loaned out, we'd need replacements in, where is this money coming from and would they be any better?
Either you have it or you dont, and over the course of last season, Slivka contributed towards us gaining 4th place.
We have lost a whole midfield, and to be perfectly honest, we need more stability, we dont need even more players coming in who'd need time to adjust.
If he's not a starter, he's a player who can come in and contribute, which he has done to some very good effect at times.
Agree with that.
Plus, I thought one of the reasons the Development League is now the Reserve League was so players such as Slivka can get more game time if they are not getting enough time in the 1st team.
bingo70
28-08-2018, 11:45 AM
What is it with this fascination of loaning out players that are good quality squad/team players?
We need a strong squad, which means there will be players of variable quality, but players who we will need over the course of a season.
If we loan him out, along with others like Porteous and Shaw who i've also seen posts saying they should be loaned out, we'd need replacements in, where is this money coming from and would they be any better?
Either you have it or you dont, and over the course of last season, Slivka contributed towards us gaining 4th place.
We have lost a whole midfield, and to be perfectly honest, we need more stability, we dont need even more players coming in who'd need time to adjust.
If he's not a starter, he's a player who can come in and contribute, which he has done to some very good effect at times.
Fair points TBH.
I thought a loan move for him could be a good idea so we could try to work out what his best position is, i think he could do with a run of games to show that and i don't think he'll get that opportunity too often with us.
Can't argue with any of the points you've made though.
Allant1981
28-08-2018, 11:46 AM
Aberdeen are also significantly weaker than last season. We hardly set the heather alight on Saturday did we?
If a game turns in to a battle, as it stands, we’ll lose IMO.
we were actually ok in spells, i think you are doing our players a big disservice, there are plenty players in that team who will be up for a scrap if need be, gray, mcgregor, porteous, stevenson are no shrinking violets, add in milligan who sounds like a decent DM and bartley if required also and you have a team of fighters
SirDavidsNapper
28-08-2018, 11:51 AM
Whilst I’ll always appreciate his role in the cup run of 2016, I always felt he slowed the game down and was a very poor version of Dylan McGeouch. Also what has stuck with me was when we went 0-2 down to Aberdeen at Hampden in 2017 and he was taken off to be replaced by Holt after 35 mins or so he trudged off slow enough that he could have been accused of time wasting. I get he will have been gutted but the team is more important at the end of the day. Don’t know why that’s stuck with me so much but it has.
Sounds silly to say now but his ball to Stokes on the lead up to our winner on 21/5/16 really annoyed me. I thought he could have played him in quicker but he delayed it meaning Stokes had to slow down. Was fuming at the time. Little did i know the outcome would be so glorious.
lumbo_hfc
28-08-2018, 11:54 AM
This place is mad sometimes. People describing Slivka as only showing flashes of brilliance and largely going missing in games have just described Stephen Mallan. How some people see him as the new messiah is beyond me, games just pass him by. Granted he has time on his side but so does Slivka. Take the second half vs Asteras, Slivka was moved centre midfield from right wing back and dragged us back into that game. Mallan could only dream of doing that!
Spudster
28-08-2018, 11:56 AM
Sounds silly to say now but his ball to Stokes on the lead up to our winner on 21/5/16 really annoyed me. I thought he could have played him in but his ball was slightly behind him meaning Stokes had to slow down. Was fuming at the time. Little did i know the outcome would be so glorious.
We (justifiably) moan about lack of movement at throw ins here on .net. Movement and a quick throw lead to that moment, Fyvie played a huge part that day. He didn’t want to play for Lennon, it was simple as that.
calumhibee1
28-08-2018, 11:58 AM
This place is mad sometimes. People describing Slivka as only showing flashes of brilliance and largely going missing in games have just described Stephen Mallan. How some people see him as the new messiah is beyond me, games just pass him by. Granted he has time on his side but so does Slivka. Take the second half vs Asteras, Slivka was moved centre midfield from right wing back and dragged us back into that game. Mallan could only dream of doing that!
I actually agree with that to an extent. The difference is though that Mallan looks like he could be good for about 15 goals from midfield this season, so you can forgive him for being anonymous at times.
bingo70
28-08-2018, 11:59 AM
This place is mad sometimes. People describing Slivka as only showing flashes of brilliance and largely going missing in games have just described Stephen Mallan. How some people see him as the new messiah is beyond me, games just pass him by. Granted he has time on his side but so does Slivka. Take the second half vs Asteras, Slivka was moved centre midfield from right wing back and dragged us back into that game. Mallan could only dream of doing that!
I've seen a few people describe Mallan this way and i don't think it could be further from the truth.
His distribution and passing range from the centre of the park was excellent on Saturday. As soon as he gets about 30 yards from goal he gets closed down though, he'll need to get used to that.
I can only assume he's getting this reputation as he's not running around flying into tackles, that's just not his game though.
Franck Stanton
28-08-2018, 11:59 AM
Is Slivka going to become the new scapegoat? Some incredible comments about him. He is a quality player.
Scapegoat ? Slivka? 'fraid that "honour" appears to belong to Whitaker going by some comments made on previous threads. ( unwarranted imo)
Heisenberg
28-08-2018, 12:00 PM
So we’re onto our third Fyvie debate of the transfer window. Fantastic stuff.
Smartie
28-08-2018, 12:00 PM
Midfielders flit in and out of games. That's the way it goes sometimes.
You have to ask yourself if the player does enough over the piece - Mallan certainly does, Slivka mostly does.
These are also young and relatively inexperienced players, so you would expect a bit of inconsistency.
Replacing last season's midfield is going to be a big ask, and we're going to need to show a bit of patience with some players who have shown in patches that they have what it takes.
John McGinn used to flit in and out of games. Scott Allan took a very long time to get going during his first spell at Hibs. Dylan McGeouch wasn't necessarily a first pick at the start of last season, yet we (rightly) all hold these players in very high regard.
blackpoolhibs
28-08-2018, 12:10 PM
Fair points TBH.
I thought a loan move for him could be a good idea so we could try to work out what his best position is, i think he could do with a run of games to show that and i don't think he'll get that opportunity too often with us.
Can't argue with any of the points you've made though.
No worries Bingo :aok:, dont get me wrong, if we were bringing in another midfielder who was a game changer, then perhaps it would be time to even sell/release him if there was another team who wanted him?
But at the moment, we need stability more than most, especially in midfield. Slivka knows how we play, he's not always done it but he has contributed well in a few games, and lets be honest here, he's not played that often for us from the start.
It is a squad game now, and the more decent players we have, and the more stability we have, the more consistent over a season we should be. :greengrin
PatHead
28-08-2018, 12:10 PM
Scapegoat ? Slivka? 'fraid that "honour" appears to belong to Whitaker going by some comments made on previous threads. ( unwarranted imo)
Keep up. Our scapegoat started with the backroom staff for not making signings, then it was Bogdan, then Whittaker who has improved so we need another. Looks like it is now Slivka unless we sign a new one.
Come on Petrie, get it sorted!
SHODAN
28-08-2018, 12:11 PM
Mitchell back to Hearts imminent, Burns going on loan to Livi:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45331740
Get your transfer news off this thread.
Dancehibs
28-08-2018, 12:11 PM
I actually agree with that to an extent. The difference is though that Mallan looks like he could be good for about 15 goals from midfield this season, so you can forgive him for being anonymous at times.
with that goal threat Lenny needs to find away to have Mallan firing in the last third, playing to his strengths. Not tracking back where is limitations are amplified. As seen in last few games where contributed to two goals for St J and Ross C. And was seeping Aberdeen thow in , were Bogdan pulled off a great save.
Blaster
28-08-2018, 12:11 PM
What is it with this fascination of loaning out players that are good quality squad/team players?
We need a strong squad, which means there will be players of variable quality, but players who we will need over the course of a season.
If we loan him out, along with others like Porteous and Shaw who i've also seen posts saying they should be loaned out, we'd need replacements in, where is this money coming from and would they be any better?
Either you have it or you dont, and over the course of last season, Slivka contributed towards us gaining 4th place.
We have lost a whole midfield, and to be perfectly honest, we need more stability, we dont need even more players coming in who'd need time to adjust.
If he's not a starter, he's a player who can come in and contribute, which he has done to some very good effect at times.
Agree with a lot of this BH. My thinking was along the lines of getting him proper game time to come back to us with more actual playing experience. And allowing Scott Allan to join.
Maybe if Swanson, Martin and Fraser Murray go on loan we have space to bring others in
Porteous and Shaw should be going nowhere
JimBHibees
28-08-2018, 12:11 PM
How many players come in and score winning goals away at Ibrox and at home v Celtic in their first season with us? Slivka made some meaningful contributions last season, at both ends of the campaign, and was injured for many weeks too.
I can understand why some might not be fully convinced by him (I rate him, and think he will be a good player for us), but some people don't half exaggerate the perceived negatives, as perfectly exemplified by some of the most recent posts - where even his body language as a sub is being negatively assessed.
I actually think he seems one of the keener players when warming up.
Dashing Bob S
28-08-2018, 12:12 PM
What is it with this fascination of loaning out players that are good quality squad/team players?
We need a strong squad, which means there will be players of variable quality, but players who we will need over the course of a season.
If we loan him out, along with others like Porteous and Shaw who i've also seen posts saying they should be loaned out, we'd need replacements in, where is this money coming from and would they be any better?
Either you have it or you dont, and over the course of last season, Slivka contributed towards us gaining 4th place.
We have lost a whole midfield, and to be perfectly honest, we need more stability, we dont need even more players coming in who'd need time to adjust.
If he's not a starter, he's a player who can come in and contribute, which he has done to some very good effect at times.
I think some people believe you can compete in the modern game with eleven players and any more are superfluous to requirements. Lets be realistic, the fact that Slivka and Swanson are not regarded as good enough to be first team picks shows how high our expectations are now, and long may it continue. But them not being good enough to squad players is really stretching it a bit.
Dancehibs
28-08-2018, 12:13 PM
Agree with that.
Plus, I thought one of the reasons the Development League is now the Reserve League was so players such as Slivka can get more game time if they are not getting enough time in the 1st team.
First teamers could have played last season. I was surprised Slivkia didn't play yesterday.
HoboHarry
28-08-2018, 12:14 PM
So we’re onto our third Fyvie debate of the transfer window. Fantastic stuff.
Oh come now, lets be more positive about the window that that. At least no-one has suggested that we should sign Derek Riordan.......
Haymaker
28-08-2018, 12:16 PM
Oh come now, lets be more positive about the window that that. At least no-one has suggested that we should sign Derek Riordan.......
He'd still do a job for us :agree:
Dancehibs
28-08-2018, 12:16 PM
Is Slivka going to become the new scapegoat? Some incredible comments about him. He is a quality player.
what is a quality player? He has shown in patches he has talent. He the form he showed in second half against the Greeks, he'd a first pick for me in midfield.
GreenArmyyy!
28-08-2018, 12:18 PM
That's stuck with me too, oddly enough. Seemed really unprofessional and petulant.
I never thought he was all that good as a player. Like not at all bad, but nothing more than average.
I remember going completely mental at the time for him to get off the pitch, he didn’t seem at all interested in doing anything other than taking the huff because he was being subbed after a nightmare start to the game from the entire team.
GreenArmyyy!
28-08-2018, 12:20 PM
This place is mad sometimes. People describing Slivka as only showing flashes of brilliance and largely going missing in games have just described Stephen Mallan. How some people see him as the new messiah is beyond me, games just pass him by. Granted he has time on his side but so does Slivka. Take the second half vs Asteras, Slivka was moved centre midfield from right wing back and dragged us back into that game. Mallan could only dream of doing that!
Mallan has scored more goals in the last month than Slivka has during his entire first season and this month. That’s the difference between them.
Sioux
28-08-2018, 12:20 PM
First teamers could have played last season. I was surprised Slivkia didn't play yesterday.
You're kidding.
Any game where it might be a bit rough and tumble, he can't play. He can't (or won't) run and can't (or won't) put a foot in.
JimBHibees
28-08-2018, 12:26 PM
You're kidding.
Any game where it might be a bit rough and tumble, he can't play. He can't (or won't) run and can't (or won't) put a foot in.
Wow.
stoneyburn hibs
28-08-2018, 12:28 PM
You're kidding.
Any game where it might be a bit rough and tumble, he can't play. He can't (or won't) run and can't (or won't) put a foot in.
Is this a whoosh?
mcfly
28-08-2018, 12:29 PM
You're kidding.
Any game where it might be a bit rough and tumble, he can't play. He can't (or won't) run and can't (or won't) put a foot in.
What utter rubbish.
Call yourself a fan - shocking post.
Why not try backing the player and give him some confidence. From where I sit he creates chances and gets on the end of some. He just needs games and the disappointing thing for him is he’s usually played out of position.
Give the lad a break
SHODAN
28-08-2018, 12:31 PM
Oh my god. Transfer news? Please?
Allant1981
28-08-2018, 12:32 PM
You're kidding.
Any game where it might be a bit rough and tumble, he can't play. He can't (or won't) run and can't (or won't) put a foot in.
everything you have just posted is wrong
CRAZYHIBBY
28-08-2018, 12:33 PM
Oh my god. Transfer news? Please?
You've come to the wrong place
bingo70
28-08-2018, 12:36 PM
Oh my god. Transfer news? Please?
The Cat has posted on twitter we've made contact with Dundee about signing Kamara.
There you go, there's a rumour. Can we now get back to the petty bickering and slagging players off again please?
SHODAN
28-08-2018, 12:38 PM
The Cat has posted on twitter we've made contact with Dundee about signing Kamara.
There you go, there's a rumour. Can we now get back to the petty bickering and slagging players off again please?
Thanks ya dick. Slivka's ***** and this is objectively true.
Am I doing it right?
rotherhamrob
28-08-2018, 12:45 PM
Roll on the 31st and get this thread closed, it's chuffing mental.
bingo70
28-08-2018, 12:45 PM
Thanks ya dick. Slivka's ***** and this is objectively true.
Am I doing it right?[/COLOR]
Reported
SHODAN
28-08-2018, 12:47 PM
Reported
Nae need.
cabbageandribs1875
28-08-2018, 12:51 PM
looks like no cheeky wee bids for Modric again then eh, every damn window it's the same, think out the box Hibs ffs :(
MacGruber
28-08-2018, 12:53 PM
Do we need Kamara now?
Where would he fit in with Milligan in?
SouthMoroccoStu
28-08-2018, 12:53 PM
The Cat has posted on twitter we've made contact with Dundee about signing Kamara.
There you go, there's a rumour. Can we now get back to the petty bickering and slagging players off again please?
Cheers Bingo!
Wonder if we’re getting nowhere with Allan and Celtic
Heisenberg
28-08-2018, 12:54 PM
Do we need Kamara now?
Where would he fit in with Milligan in?
I think we do. It would allow Mallan to play further forward and hurt teams with his passing and long range efforts. Probably would mean no Scott Allan though.
Callum_62
28-08-2018, 12:55 PM
Do we need Kamara now?
Where would he fit in with Milligan in?
Centre half possibly
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JimBHibees
28-08-2018, 12:59 PM
Centre half possibly
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Could probably play both Milligan and Kamara centre mids in a 3.
HibsNutter
28-08-2018, 01:01 PM
Do we need Kamara now?
Where would he fit in with Milligan in?
We need options.
04Sauzee
28-08-2018, 01:07 PM
Could probably player both Milligan and Kamara centre mids in a 3.
Absolutely we could l have been saying we could play 4-3-3 with Horgan , Boyle and Kamberi up top. Having Milligan and Kamara would allow us to do that I think
DstN75
28-08-2018, 01:08 PM
You're kidding.
Any game where it might be a bit rough and tumble, he can't play. He can't (or won't) run and can't (or won't) put a foot in.
I disagree but there's a kernel of truth in there. He's a more deliberate (in the old days we would have said something stupid like 'continental') type of player. His abilities are largely technical and he's not relying on quickness or physicality so suits games where we need to build up a bit more and the opposition aren't trying to crash through us.
Thus it's not surprise he's featured a lot in the euro games and not in the more rough and tumble Prem ones I guess.
Do we need Kamara now?
Where would he fit in with Milligan in?
Looks like Lennon will always want to have a midfield anchor in the team, someone capable of putting it about and challenging for the ball while being capable of carrying it forward or making a clinical pass.
Bartley is good at what he does but he is limited on the ball and whilst he has tried a lot more this season he isn't going to drive us forward after winning the ball. He make's us very defensive and difficult to break down so will be useful for games where we are up against much superior opposition (not very often) and coming off the bench when we're closing out games and defending a lead.
Milligan appears to be a good option for this role but is an unknown quantity to us and is likely to be spending the last couple of years of his career at Easter Road so in two years time both Milligan and Bartley will likely need to be replaced anyway. Milligan also operates at centre half so he can drop back and cover in defence if needed but will need someone to come in and play his role in midfield when that happens.
Kamara has shown he can cut it in Scottish Football with Dundee and is young enough to look at a longer term contract where he might not be first name on the teamsheet straight away but has the potential to develop with us and have sell-on value like McGinn.
If we do bring Kamara in I would imagine Martin will be loaned out again.
HibsNutter
28-08-2018, 01:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5oIaVpznoI
From what I've seen and the above clips, he looks a serious player. Bartley's strength with McGeouch's composure. Surely worth considering paying our record fee for.
calumhibee1
28-08-2018, 01:15 PM
Could probably player both Milligan and Kamara centre mids in a 3.
Definitely. There would be a different balance to the centre 3 from last season but it could still work. Mallan is probably poorer defensively than the 3 that finished the season last year so having 2 more defensive minded players in there could help negate that and allow him to concentrate less on defending. It could potentially also allow you to go with Horgan on the left and Boyle on the right of a 3-5-2 as you’d have a holding midfielder to help plug the gaps for each side.
GreenCastle
28-08-2018, 01:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5oIaVpznoI
From what I've seen and the above clips, he looks a serious player. Bartley's strength with McGeouch's composure. Surely worth considering paying our record fee for.
Clips look good and exactly what we need..though doesn’t look like a sitting midfielder.
Does look comfortable on the ball and breaks up play. Dundee friend really rates him.
He’s only 22 as well - could make money off him if he keeps improving.
Think Dundee are looking for good money for him so could be the stumbling block.
JimBHibees
28-08-2018, 01:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5oIaVpznoI
From what I've seen and the above clips, he looks a serious player. Bartley's strength with McGeouch's composure. Surely worth considering paying our record fee for.
Very impressive on the ball with good confidence, athletic and good passing range would be a huge asset to the team IMO.
bingo70
28-08-2018, 01:30 PM
Clips look good and exactly what we need..though doesn’t look like a sitting midfielder.
Does look comfortable on the ball and breaks up play. Dundee friend really rates him.
He’s only 22 as well - could make money off him if he keeps improving.
Think Dundee are looking for good money for him so could be the stumbling block.
If he's out of contract next summer this will be their last chance to make any money from him.
If we are interested in him then it would make sense we've left it so late in the window, i'm sure if we had tried earlier they would have held off for a better off from down south.
A fee now, player in return as part of a swap deal and a decent sell on % may be more appealing now than it was a month or so ago.
SouthMoroccoStu
28-08-2018, 01:33 PM
If he's out of contract next summer this will be their last chance to make any money from him.
If we are interested in him then it would make sense we've left it so late in the window, i'm sure if we had tried earlier they would have held off for a better off from down south.
A fee now, player in return as part of a swap deal and a decent sell on % may be more appealing now than it was a month or so ago.
Weren't Dundee one of the teams interested in Swanson?
A deal like McGinn - small development fee and a promise of a sell on %, could be a very attractive offer
Allant1981
28-08-2018, 01:35 PM
I disagree but there's a kernel of truth in there. He's a more deliberate (in the old days we would have said something stupid like 'continental') type of player. His abilities are largely technical and he's not relying on quickness or physicality so suits games where we need to build up a bit more and the opposition aren't trying to crash through us.
Thus it's not surprise he's featured a lot in the euro games and not in the more rough and tumble Prem ones I guess.
he has ran at and beaten quite a few players in the european games, he is quicker than a lot of people make him out to be, i agree though he is a more technical player
MacGruber
28-08-2018, 01:37 PM
We need options.
Agree we need options and is clearly a good player. If he is coming along with a striker then all is good.
Just can't see us having room for him and Allan and would much rather have Allan. Hibs have maybe tried though and not been able to make that work.
Hopefully get a striker too - otherwise be a bit imbalanced with the options of 9 or 10 midfielders and 3 strikers (& 1 left back unless some of the kids are showing something in training)
SouthMoroccoStu
28-08-2018, 01:50 PM
We definitely need another striker
Brightside
28-08-2018, 01:50 PM
You're kidding.
Any game where it might be a bit rough and tumble, he can't play. He can't (or won't) run and can't (or won't) put a foot in.
This thread is mental.
eastcoasthibby
28-08-2018, 02:02 PM
Kamara would do nicely and add a fair bit to the squad and most probably help give options as to us playing in 2-3 different formations. His age I think will be a big bonus looking ahead in building our team and /or getting a good return on investing in him.
Agree we need options and is clearly a good player. If he is coming along with a striker then all is good.
Just can't see us having room for him and Allan and would much rather have Allan. Hibs have maybe tried though and not been able to make that work.
Hopefully get a striker too - otherwise be a bit imbalanced with the options of 9 or 10 midfielders and 3 strikers (& 1 left back unless some of the kids are showing something in training)
I think Lennon is looking at Boyle and Agyepong as filling in as back up strikers when needed and I would consider Agyepong to be a replacement for Simon Murray if anything.
Assuming we move on Swanson and get Allan back our midfield options compared to last season would be:
Slivka - Slivka
Bartley - Bartley
Allan - Allan
Mcginn - Milligan
McGeouch - Mallan
Swanson - Hyndman
Barker - Horgan
Pretty comparable to last season in terms of balance (if not quality)
If we signed Kamara I think guys like Martin and Murray would end up going out on loan while Bartley is likely to find his playing time limited this season as a result.
Defensively we have Stevenson, Hanlon and Mackie who can operate at left back while Horgan seems quite capable of playing in the left wing-back role if called upon.
We have 4 excellent centre-halfs and Milligan for cover with Gray, Whittaker & Ambrose able to play right back and Boyle as a wing-back on that side also.
Don't see the need for any more defensive players unless there is someone available who would vastly improve on what we have at the moment and its too good an opportunity to pass up.
weecounty hibby
28-08-2018, 02:21 PM
I think Lennon is looking at Boyle and Agyepong as filling in as back up strikers when needed and I would consider Agyepong to be a replacement for Simon Murray if anything.
Assuming we move on Swanson and get Allan back our midfield options compared to last season would be:
Slivka - Slivka
Bartley - Bartley
Allan - Allan
Mcginn - Milligan
McGeouch - Mallan
Swanson - Hyndman
Barker - Horgan
Pretty comparable to last season in terms of balance (if not quality)
If we signed Kamara I think guys like Martin and Murray would end up going out on loan while Bartley is likely to find his playing time limited this season as a result.
Defensively we have Stevenson, Hanlon and Mackie who can operate at left back while Horgan seems quite capable of playing in the left wing-back role if called upon.
We have 4 excellent centre-halfs and Milligan for cover with Gray, Whittaker & Ambrose able to play right back and Boyle as a wing-back on that side also.
Don't see the need for any more defensive players unless there is someone available who would vastly improve on what we have at the moment and its too good an opportunity to pass up.
There's no place on this thread for anyone talking sense. Go and find another thread for that. And there were no rumours in your post either!!!
DstN75
28-08-2018, 02:23 PM
he has ran at and beaten quite a few players in the european games, he is quicker than a lot of people make him out to be, i agree though he is a more technical player
You're right. I think I was just trying to describe something a bit different than pure running speed, like he doesn't necessarily lack pace, he just doesn't hurl himself about or rush into stuff. He's a bit more considered.
There's no place on this thread for anyone talking sense. Go and find another thread for that. And there were no rumours in your post either!!!
Sorry my mistake......I've seen Lee Wallace punching a Jambo and shouting 'Mon the Hibs so it looks like he is definitely signing for us within the next 14 hours.
My old man
28-08-2018, 02:27 PM
Sorry my mistake......I've seen Lee Wallace punching a Jambo and shouting 'Mon the Hibs so it looks like he is definitely signing for us within the next 14 hours.
That’s better M J
Nevi_SOL
28-08-2018, 02:28 PM
Is there anything in the Kamara rumour or is just for the sake of a rumour
weecounty hibby
28-08-2018, 02:30 PM
Sorry my mistake......I've seen Lee Wallace punching a Jambo and shouting 'Mon the Hibs so it looks like he is definitely signing for us within the next 14 hours.
Now your getting the hang of it. Now you just need to criticize at least one of our players and you'll be right on track
SirDavidsNapper
28-08-2018, 02:30 PM
Sorry my mistake......I've seen Lee Wallace punching a Jambo and shouting 'Mon the Hibs so it looks like he is definitely signing for us within the next 14 hours.
Well i heard Griffiths stuck the head on Fenlon then went back and punched Billy Brown and had to wear the ****** bib for the rest of the week in training..........sorry got stuck in a time warp
Billychaotic182
28-08-2018, 02:35 PM
Got excited when I saw that there was three pages added on here since I last looked. Sadly it’s just folk bitching about Slivka....... sake!
Now your getting the hang of it. Now you just need to criticize at least one of our players and you'll be right on track
Having never seen Milligan play I feel confident in saying he is a terrible signing and will end up getting us relegated again.
Damn you PETRIE!!!!!!!
I think I’m getting the hang of this :greengrin
HoboHarry
28-08-2018, 02:40 PM
Having never seen Milligan play I feel confident in saying he is a terrible signing and will end up getting us relegated again.
Damn you PETRIE!!!!!!!
I think I’m getting the hang of this :greengrin
Nope you're still not there yet. You forgot to add FACT at the end of your post ya daftie......
Billychaotic182
28-08-2018, 02:44 PM
For excited when I saw that there was three pages added on here since I last looked. Sadly it’s just folk bitching about Slivka....... sake!
Greenworld
28-08-2018, 02:45 PM
Is there anything in the Kamara rumour or is just for the sake of a rumourWe spoke to Dundee a while back but they were holding out for English teams.
They need money the owner had to pump 500k in to keep them going
I think there is every chance we have asked again especially with swanson perhaps going the other way.
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portyfelly
28-08-2018, 02:47 PM
Oh my god. Transfer news? Please?
They can be washed off with hot soapy water:flag:
SouthMoroccoStu
28-08-2018, 02:50 PM
They can be washed off with hot soapy water:flag:
FFS LOL That's brilliant :greengrin:top marks
BILLYHIBS
28-08-2018, 02:53 PM
LEE WALLACE SIGNS FOR HIBS BUT TURNS UP AT TINYCASTLE BY MISTAKE!
https://youtu.be/RTuYfo4wDK4
Mallan has scored more goals in the last month than Slivka has during his entire first season and this month. That’s the difference between them.
You could pretty much make the same comparison re goalscoring between Mallan & any of our midfield players in last few seasons. That doesnt mean Stevie is better than SJM, Dylan, Scotty etc.
GreenArmyyy!
28-08-2018, 03:14 PM
You could pretty much make the same comparison re goalscoring between Mallan & any of our midfield players in last few seasons. That doesnt mean Stevie is better than SJM, Dylan, Scotty etc.
What I was trying to say was both Mallan and Slivka go missing during games but Mallan gets away with it because he scores goals.
Would never accuse SJM, Allan or McGeouch of going missing during games. Didn’t always play well but never stopped getting stuck in.
Thomson
28-08-2018, 03:19 PM
The Cat has posted on twitter we've made contact with Dundee about signing Kamara.
There you go, there's a rumour. Can we now get back to the petty bickering and slagging players off again please?What's The Cats twitter name?
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04Sauzee
28-08-2018, 03:22 PM
What's The Cats twitter name?
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Freddie White
If he gets this one wrong we can start using the term talking a load of Freddie :)
Thomson
28-08-2018, 03:23 PM
Freddie White
If he gets this one wrong we can start using the term talking a load of Freddie :):) thank you. Need more sources to add to my ever growing transfer list on there.
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Thecat23
28-08-2018, 03:25 PM
Freddie White
If he gets this one wrong we can start using the term talking a load of Freddie :)
😁 I’m not saying he’s signed btw. Hibs are in talks though I know that! Really hope this happens he’d be a cracking signing.
04Sauzee
28-08-2018, 03:27 PM
😁 I’m not saying he’s signed btw. Hibs are in talks though I know that! Really hope this happens he’d be a cracking signing.
I know I'm just kidding. Would love this one to go through, would be a great addition.
staunchhibby
28-08-2018, 03:33 PM
In the cat we trust.
Iggy Pope
28-08-2018, 03:38 PM
Christ, here we go.
MacGruber
28-08-2018, 03:43 PM
😁 I’m not saying he’s signed btw. Hibs are in talks though I know that! Really hope this happens he’d be a cracking signing.
Do you think this is instead of Allan or any possibility we could be after/afford both?
Sean1875
28-08-2018, 03:45 PM
Love how TC seems to have turned into the .net Oracle these days :greengrin
Thecat23
28-08-2018, 03:53 PM
Do you think this is instead of Allan or any possibility we could be after/afford both?
No idea, I’d love both though.
Thecat23
28-08-2018, 03:54 PM
Love how TC seems to have turned into the .net Oracle these days :greengrin
😂😂 few more on here know more than me about signings.
SquashedFrogg
28-08-2018, 04:01 PM
What I was trying to say was both Mallan and Slivka go missing during games but Mallan gets away with it because he scores goals.
Would never accuse SJM, Allan or McGeouch of going missing during games. Didn’t always play well but never stopped getting stuck in.
Can't remember McGeouch getting stuck in too often? Not that type of player.
Think you're clutching at straws here tbh
coldingham hibs
28-08-2018, 04:17 PM
Just to break the discussion, I see Hearts have made signing number 15, Mitchell back on loan. Looked a decent prospect unfortunately.
SouthMoroccoStu
28-08-2018, 04:41 PM
Just to break the discussion, I see Hearts have made signing number 15, Mitchell back on loan. Looked a decent prospect unfortunately.
It's like the conveyor belt challenge on the generation game trying to remember all their signing!
Thecat23
28-08-2018, 04:55 PM
Just to break the discussion, I see Hearts have made signing number 15, Mitchell back on loan. Looked a decent prospect unfortunately.
Yep very good player, I’d take him at us.
coldingham hibs
28-08-2018, 04:57 PM
It's like the conveyor belt challenge on the generation game trying to remember all their signing!
Some interesting info on the Transfer Market website (albeit not factual) . Hibs squad of 23 valued at 10.46m, Hearts squad of 26 valued at 8.6m.
Quality over quantity 😉
stokesmessiah
28-08-2018, 04:58 PM
Just to break the discussion, I see Hearts have made signing number 15, Mitchell back on loan. Looked a decent prospect unfortunately.
Is it not 16??
coldingham hibs
28-08-2018, 05:02 PM
Is it not 16??
Maybe I lost count, they are talking on Keekback about another 3 signings still in the pipeline!
CRAZYHIBBY
28-08-2018, 05:19 PM
I can confirm that hibs have indeed held talks with representatives of dundee fc....however i have no idea which player or players were being discussed
SHODAN
28-08-2018, 05:21 PM
I can confirm that hibs have indeed held talks with representatives of dundee fc....however i have no idea which player or players were being discussed
Kevin McBride.
Captain Trips
28-08-2018, 05:23 PM
I can confirm that hibs have indeed held talks with representatives of dundee fc....however i have no idea which player or players were being discussed
Rab Shannon
Inconsequential
28-08-2018, 05:30 PM
I can confirm that hibs have indeed held talks with representatives of dundee fc....however i have no idea which player or players were being discussed Scott Bain... oops.
Famous Fiver
28-08-2018, 05:36 PM
I see two of our Gorgie neighbour's recent signings are already away out on loan, Burns and the boy from Partick Thistle.
If that is not p**sing the fans money against the wall I don't know what is.
They are being taken for right mugs.
I can confirm that hibs have indeed held talks with representatives of dundee fc....however i have no idea which player or players were being discussed
Claudio Caniggia
Thecat23
28-08-2018, 05:40 PM
Bobby Mann!!!
oneone73
28-08-2018, 05:41 PM
Bobby Mann!!!
Wasn't he at ICT?
Tug Wilson
28-08-2018, 05:41 PM
Kamara is in the last year of his contract with Dundee. The English market is closed. So maybe Dundee will be agreeable to a small transfer fee with a decent sell on clause.
He then signs for us on a 3 year contract, improves his profile whilst becoming a better player and playing in a better team.
We then sell him on to an English side for a decent wedge, Dundee get a good share of that and our reputation for developing young players grows.
Seems good to me.
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