Summer transfer thread

[CapitalGreen]

Only started 16 out of 40 games for Hibs. Not exactly first name on team sheet.

Clever to include the games he was out injured for 4 months.

[porthibbie]

Clever to include the games he was out injured for 4 months.

What 4 months , He seemed to be injured from 17th Feb and returned on 21st April missing 7 games.

[neil7908]

Don't see the logic there.
We should turn down good players in case they go elsewhere?

My point is that deals like Kamberi are the way to go, or taking a more experienced pro in for a year who is ready to be a first team player week in week out (I.e. McLaren).

I just feel folk like Barker (or Watmore before him) are often not quite ready. We end up blooding them with the usual inconsistencies you get with young players but if they start to show promise, there is no chance we'll get them permanently.

If it's our own youngster or someone we have a decent chance of signing at the end of the loan that's fine but young players who aren't much better than what we have, and won't ever be a Hibs player permanently, aren't necessarily great options.

Barker is the perfect example here. He did fine for us last year but was no better than Boyle and his overall goals and assist stats weren't anything special. If he was a Hibs player it wouldn't bother me as he's still improving but what's happened is he's had a decent end to the season and could well end up with one of our rivals.

[superfurryhibby]

My point is that deals like Kamberi are the way to go, or taking a more experienced pro in for a year who is ready to be a first team player week in week out (I.e. McLaren).

I just feel folk like Barker (or Watmore before him) are often not quite ready. We end up blooding them with the usual inconsistencies you get with young players but if they start to show promise, there is no chance we'll get them permanently.

If it's our own youngster or someone we have a decent chance of signing at the end of the loan that's fine but young players who aren't much better than what we have, and won't ever be a Hibs player permanently, aren't necessarily great options.

Barker is the perfect example here. He did fine for us last year but was no better than Boyle and his overall goals and assist stats weren't anything special. If he was a Hibs player it wouldn't bother me as he's still improving but what's happened is he's had a decent end to the season and could well end up with one of our rivals.

Barker was ready enough to make a decent impact and was a great player to have in the squad, as would have been the case with Watmore, who took an injury pretty early in his loan spell.

Not in the least concerned about a loanee coming in and doing well, in case they end up at a rival club. Struggling to think of any example of this happening?

[CapitalGreen]

What 4 months , He seemed to be injured from 17th Feb and returned on 21st April missing 7 games.

He missed 101 days through injury last season, which covered 13 games.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/brandon-barker/verletzungen/spieler/214927

[madhatter]

Any Hibs rumours?

[porthibbie]

He missed 101 days through injury last season, which covered 13 games.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/brandon-barker/verletzungen/spieler/214927

Sorry , I was only counting games when he was with Hibs , Not Jan 2017.when he was with Breda.

[Lago]

Any Hibs rumours?
Nary a one.

[Brightside]

Any Hibs rumours?

Petrie has a third nipple.

[aljo7-0]

Petrie has a third nipple.
He will have got it for a low price to be fair, being Petrie

[IncredibleHibee]

Any Hibs rumours?

Petrie is bringing sexy back

[CropleyWasGod]

Petrie is bringing sexy backOld players coming back never work out

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[Hibbyradge]

Old players coming back never work out

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Are you saying that we're bringing back Leigh?

:hyper

[scoopyboy]

This was always my concern with Barker. A decent season with us and he'd end up attracting bigger fish. I'm not a big fan of us getting young guys on loan who we have next to no chance of signing permanently.

Thank f*** you didn't manage Hibs in 2016.

A certain Liam Henderson wouldn't have had the chance to set up numerous goals in our glorious run.

[CropleyWasGod]

Are you saying that we're bringing back Leigh?

:hyperLeigh coming anywhere is bad news.

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[Captain Trips]

This was always my concern with Barker. A decent season with us and he'd end up attracting bigger fish. I'm not a big fan of us getting young guys on loan who we have next to no chance of signing permanently.

In moderation this is case. The problem with managers pre Stubbs is there were just to many loans or short term deals all going on at once.

A player whom we have no chance of signing is fine but NL seems to only bring in loans who will be in team other managers we had all sorts of nonsense going on.

I would happily take Brandon back as we then had a player for 2 seasons that we couldnt sign but 2 seasons is as good as IMO. If we get another term out of Barker that is outstanding effort from club.

[Silversand]

Petrie has a third nipple.The Man with the Golden Tache

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[WoreTheGreen]

The Man with the Golden Tache

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Gold (SFA) member

[Aldo]

Leigh coming anywhere is bad news.

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[emoji23]. I’m sure he just needs to look at them!


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[neil7908]

Thank f*** you didn't manage Hibs in 2016.

A certain Liam Henderson wouldn't have had the chance to set up numerous goals in our glorious run.

Signing a player from Celtic isn't particularly unrealistic though is it? We've signed Dylan from them and are hopefully going to get Allan back. Do you think we'll have a chance of getting Barker permanently?

Very few young players have come on loan to us and done well (Barker has been ok, Henderson was clearly a success) but there are plenty more who were anonymous and wasted wages as well as possibly denying our own young players a chance - Feruz and Boateng spring to mind. Players from teams like City, Arsenal or Chelsea will be on money we can't touch so will never join us permanently. Therefore I don't want to see us being used as a testing ground. I'd rather got for the follow who can instantly improve us properly gambles where if we they work, we have a shot at getting them (Kamberi and Henderson). Don't think that's especially controversial.

[superfurryhibby]

Signing a player from Celtic isn't particularly unrealistic though is it? We've signed Dylan from them and are hopefully going to get Allan back. Do you think we'll have a chance of getting Barker permanently?

Very few young players have come on loan to us and done well (Barker has been ok, Henderson was clearly a success) but there are plenty more who were anonymous and wasted wages as well as possibly denying our own young players a chance - Feruz and Boateng spring to mind. Players from teams like City, Arsenal or Chelsea will be on money we can't touch so will never join us permanently. Therefore I don't want to see us being used as a testing ground. I'd rather got for the follow who can instantly improve us properly gambles where if we they work, we have a shot at getting them (Kamberi and Henderson). Don't think that's especially controversial.

We signed Ryan Mc Givern from Manchester City following* a very good loan spell at Hibs. Pretty sure he was already capped when we got him too. Who knows if we have a chance of getting Barker permanent, but if his loan spell was merely OK then surely we would have a fair go at it if City were to
release him?

If we weren’t a testing ground then no young player one would be loaned to us? It’s not particularly controversial, just not particularly right either?

[neil7908]

We signed Ryan Mc Givern from Manchester City following* a very good loan spell at Hibs. Pretty sure he was already capped when we got him too. Who knows if we have a chance of getting Barker permanent, but if his loan spell was merely OK then surely we would have a fair go at it if City were to
release him?

If we weren’t a testing ground then no young player one would be loaned to us? It’s not particularly controversial, just not particularly right either?

I'm not sure if Ryan McGivern is a great example to prove your argument. Just hearing his name gives me flashbacks to the Hamilton playoff game at Easter Road so not exactly a success story for us.

[Blaster]

I'm not sure if Ryan McGivern is a great example to prove your argument. Just hearing his name gives me flashbacks to the Hamilton playoff game at Easter Road so not exactly a success story for us.

Henderson, stokes, Kamberi, McLaren, Barker, Scott Allan, Ambrose, Marciano successful loans of late

[Billy Whizz]

Dundee Utd got a nice wee sell on clause, If Armstrong moves in. May allow them to buy some better players to get up

Any idea where their out of contract player, Scott Fraser signed for?

[bingo70]

Dundee Utd got a nice wee sell on clause, If Armstrong moves in. May allow them to buy some better players to get up

Any idea where their out of contract player, Scott Fraser signed for?

Nobody yet I don’t think.

Was meant to be hearts though but I’m guessing as they’ve already signed 400 odd players he won’t be joining them now.

[Big L]

Dundee Utd got a nice wee sell on clause, If Armstrong moves in. May allow them to buy some better players to get up

Any idea where their out of contract player, Scott Fraser signed for?

Apparently turned down a move to the yams. I like the guy, csn tackle, likes driving forward good tech.

[bingo70]

Absolutely no link with hibs at all but I always think of players that we’re good up here then go down south and don’t make it as that’s a market we generally look at.....who was the guy on loan at rangers from Newcastle when we were in the championship, I think it was mitrovic or something?

It’s not him that was on loan at Fulham but I think they’ve got similar names and career paths.

[hfc rd]

Absolutely no link with hibs at all but I always think of players that we’re good up here then go down south and don’t make it as that’s a market we generally look at.....who was the guy on loan at rangers from Newcastle when we were in the championship, I think it was mitrovic or something?

It’s not him that was on loan at Fulham but I think they’ve got similar names and career paths.


Haris Vučkić. Plays for FC Twente. I think they got relegated from the Eredivisie last season

[bingo70]

Haris Vučkić. Plays for FC Twente. I think they got relegated from the Eredivisie last season

Good man, cheers.

Been bothering me since I was convinced it was him that joined Fulham and plays for Serbia.

[nellio]

Haris Vučkić. Plays for FC Twente. I think they got relegated from the Eredivisie last season

Definitely him. He was on loan at Cardiff and I bigged him up a bit to some Huns in work but he turned out to be pretty average for them.

[hfc rd]

Definitely him. He was on loan at Cardiff and I bigged him up a bit to some Huns in work but he turned out to be pretty average for them.


I remember they signed 4-5 players on loan from Newcastle that time. One of them being Bigriamana (think that’s how you spell his name) who is now at Motherwell

[J-C]

I remember they signed 4-5 players on loan from Newcastle that time. One of them being Bigriamana (think that’s how you spell his name) who is now at Motherwell


Something to do with Ashley owning a share of Rangers and using them as a sort of feeder club for loan signings.

[hfc rd]

Absolutely no link with hibs at all but I always think of players that we’re good up here then go down south and don’t make it as that’s a market we generally look at.....who was the guy on loan at rangers from Newcastle when we were in the championship, I think it was mitrovic or something?

It’s not him that was on loan at Fulham but I think they’ve got similar names and career paths.


Derek McInnes has used that market over the last few seasons and it’s worked out pretty well considering they’ve consistently been finishing 2nd and qualifying for Europe. Rooney, McGinn, Reynolds, Stewart (loan), May etc

[horseflesh]

Derek McInnes has used that market over the last few seasons and it’s worked out pretty well considering they’ve consistently been finishing 2nd and qualifying for Europe. Rooney, McGinn, Reynolds, Stewart (loan), May etc

Not totally convinced that is the market for us, always got the feeling that players who couldn’t cut it down south now had the cash in their back pocket and the real motivation had gone. Back up the road and keep their pensions topped up.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Not totally convinced that is the market for us, always got the feeling that players who couldn’t cut it down south now had the cash in their back pocket and the real motivation had gone. Back up the road and keep their pensions topped up.

Can’t really agree. They tend to have a point to prove. Most recent ones I can think of are Scott Allan and Fraser Fyvie.


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[Greenworld]

Another week gone and nothing even the rumours have dried up.
Season ticket sales at record levels crowds at record levels .
Everyone buzzing after a great season and suddenly it all feels a bit flat .
Thank God for the world cup https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180624/5ca53f50972adf22f292aacbec7f18cd.jpg

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[Big L]

I'm not sure if Ryan McGivern is a great example to prove your argument. Just hearing his name gives me flashbacks to the Hamilton playoff game at Easter Road so not exactly a success story for us.

McGivern was the best I've ever seen at avoiding potential trouble.

[hfc rd]

Wonder if there are any players that are on trial with us at the moment?

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder if there are any players that are on trial with us at the moment?

Wonder if Hibs are actually training? All gone quiet. Other teams showing photos etc of their team training, don’t think I’ve seen or heard anything from Hibs

[Billychaotic182]

Wonder if Hibs are actually training? All gone quiet. Other teams showing photos etc of their team training, don’t think I’ve seen or heard anything from Hibs

I was actually thinking this the other day. Normally you get the photos of players training and we zoom in on players we don’t recognise. Cumon hibs lol

[Heisenberg]

Wonder if Hibs are actually training? All gone quiet. Other teams showing photos etc of their team training, don’t think I’ve seen or heard anything from Hibs

Yeah it’s a bit strange now you mention it. Lennon saying we’ll hopefully have some deals done soon so should see movement in the next week or so.

[Ozyhibby]

If they have trialist in then they usually close off the training centre from the public and press.


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[Jim44]

If they have trialist in then they usually close off the training centre from the public and press.


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Maybe just as well as the sight of McGeouch training with us might push a few folk over the top. :greengrin

[Liam978]

I was actually thinking this the other day. Normally you get the photos of players training and we zoom in on players we don’t recognise. Cumon hibs lol

Was at east mains on Tuesday by invitation, there were 9 first team squad training with Gary Parker and 3 with the physios, no trialists, 5 due back tomorrow including Dylan , his term ends on Saturday.Graeme Mathie informed us that there were 4 positive targets in the pipeline with 2 all but secured. Would'nt elaborate though whether or not that included loanees from last season or new targets.

[erin go bragh]

Was at east mains on Tuesday by invitation, there were 9 first team squad training with Gary Parker and 3 with the physios, no trialists, 5 due back tomorrow including Dylan , his term ends on Saturday.Graeme Mathie informed us that there were 4 positive targets in the pipeline with 2 all but secured. Would'nt elaborate though whether or not that included loanees from last season or new targets.
That’s more like it :agree: including Dylon :cb Allan and Mallon could be the two secured .

[Jim44]

Was at east mains on Tuesday by invitation, there were 9 first team squad training with Gary Parker and 3 with the physios, no trialists, 5 due back tomorrow including Dylan , his term ends on Saturday.Graeme Mathie informed us that there were 4 positive targets in the pipeline with 2 all but secured. Would'nt elaborate though whether or not that included loanees from last season or new targets.

Why did Lennon invite him to train at East Mains when he was already entitled to do so? Or was Lennon meaning after his contract finished?

[Liam978]

Why did Lennon invite him to train at East Mains when he was already entitled to do so? Or was Lennon meaning after his contract finished?

Sorry Jim I replied on the wrong thread. Would assume that the offer was until a decision has been made re his future. One is always wise after the event,many questions I wish now that had've asked, like why is Efe not here, is he one of the 5 allowed extra time off. Or has he went awol again like last season.

[we are hibs]

I reckon we will sign someone no one has heard of this week completely out the blue

[bingo70]

Journalist Alan Nixon just tweeted this........

Derby. Trying for John McGinn at Hibs. Cost £3m. Trouble is Celtic well down line and player may fancy that. Birmingham also tried. At same figure. Should be story online. Soon.

[Billy Whizz]

Was at east mains on Tuesday by invitation, there were 9 first team squad training with Gary Parker and 3 with the physios, no trialists, 5 due back tomorrow including Dylan , his term ends on Saturday.Graeme Mathie informed us that there were 4 positive targets in the pipeline with 2 all but secured. Would'nt elaborate though whether or not that included loanees from last season or new targets.

McGinn and Stevenson were given extra time off due to Scotland, and I presume Porteous too, Kamberi was not due to join up until last Thursday. So Dylan must be the other one???

I thought they were all in last week except the 3 above and Flo
So just over 2 weeks training before our 1st Europa League game for some of our players

[snooky]

Sorry Jim I replied on the wrong thread. Would assume that the offer was until a decision has been made re his future. One is always wise after the event,many questions I wish now that had've asked, like why is Efe not here, is he one of the 5 allowed extra time off. Or has he went awol again like last season.

Let's hope he's not Efed off. :worried:

[Heisenberg]

Journalist Alan Nixon just tweeted this........

Derby. Trying for John McGinn at Hibs. Cost £3m. Trouble is Celtic well down line and player may fancy that. Birmingham also tried. At same figure. Should be story online. Soon.

Thinks it’s a safe shout that he’ll be away before our first Europa game.

[bingo70]

Thinks it’s a safe shout that he’ll be away before our first Europa game.

Yeah I don’t think there’s any doubt about that.

It’s just about how much, where too and how soon.

[Bob Box Fish]

Thinks it’s a safe shout that he’ll be away before our first Europa game.

Probably for the best as it will give us time to bring in other players as apposed to him going at the end of the window.

[Hibs90]

Celtic can **** off. Sick of them.

[Liam978]

McGinn and Stevenson were given extra time off due to Scotland, and I presume Porteous too, Kamberi was not due to join up until last Thursday. So Dylan must be the other one???

I thought they were all in last week except the 3 above and Flo
So just over 2 weeks training before our 1st Europa League game for some of our players

Porteous Fraser Murray and Daz were the 3 with the physios in the treatment room, Boyler on his own outside on special excersise.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Celtic can **** off. Sick of them.

Not that i don't agree, but why?

[Barman Stanton]

Have a feeling he will be off to Celtic and the deal will include Scott Allan and possibly another player.

[B.H.F.C]

Celtic can **** off. Sick of them.

I don’t really want to see him go to Celtic, but the likelihood is we get Allan as part of the deal so it’s probably the best option for us.

[Bob Box Fish]

Porteous Fraser Murray and Daz were the 3 with the physios in the treatment room, Boyler on his own outside on special excersise.

Any word if Boyle will be ready for the first European tie?

[calumhibee1]

I don’t really want to see him go to Celtic, but the likelihood is we get Allan as part of the deal so it’s probably the best option for us.

100%. Presuming Celtic would take the huff if we don't sell McGinn to them and not sell us Allan, then McGinn to Celtic and Allan to us as part of the deal along with possibly someone else would be our best option. Allan has as much of an impact on games as McGinn does, you could probably argue even more of an impact. If we could get say £2.5m plus Allan and someone else (possibly even Hayes permanent?) for McGinn I'd be ecstatic.

[Brightside]

We’ve been in talks with Celtic on this for a long time now.

[AlbertK86]

We’ve been in talks with Celtic on this for a long time now.

Talks re all parts mentioned ?


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[CRAZYHIBBY]

Allan plus cash that can be reinvested into the first team squad would be a great deal

[Ken]

Allan plus cash that can be reinvested into the first team squad would be a great deal

This


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[Captain Trips]

Allan plus cash that can be reinvested into the first team squad would be a great deal

I think that's what is happening. Derby and Birmingham may have £3m but they do not have Allan.

[Heisenberg]

Alan Nixon also confirming Dylan hasn’t signed for Sunderland yet but still negotiating. He’s also still got others in for him.

[truehibernian]

Allan on a permanent deal, Kouassi /Morgan/Christie (one of) on a season loan, and £2.5 million would be my guess. Would love Morgan personally.

[madhatter]

Allan on a permanent deal, Kouassi /Morgan/Christie (one of) on a season loan, and £2.5 million would be my guess. Would love Morgan personally.


£2.5mil, Allan on 3 year contract and Kouassi on loan would be my pick. Especially if we are getting Mallan (as rumoured). Kouassi would offer us something different. Personally don't rate Christie that highly, what annoys me about him is how much he dishes it out but then whines every time he gets tackled...that's maybe just because he doesn't play for Hibs mind you.

Allan, Morgan (or Christie) and Mallan would all be very similar and with Swanson already here I think would be too much competition for the same position. If McGinn is leaving we need a competitive/physical midfielder, only Kouassi suits that. If McGeouch is leaving, we need a solid disciplined midfielder with an array of passing, again Allan, Morgan, Christie and Mallan are better placed further up field (neither of which I would classify as 'disciplined' when it comes down to positioning - they float around the pitch to create).

Will be interesting to see what happens though. We might see a change of style and finally get some balance with wingers on both sides for the whole season, doubt it though, 3 at the back is becoming very popular.

[ancient hibee]

Allan has another year at far more money than we'll pay him.Why would he move on a permanent deal?

[bingo70]

Allan has another year at far more money than we'll pay him.Why would he move on a permanent deal?

He would need to get the difference paid off.

If he signs for us on a permanent deal I’ll assume that firmed part of the negotiations.

[ancient hibee]

[QUOTE=bingo70;5442933]He would need to get the difference paid off.

If he signs for us on a permanent deal I’ll assume that firmed part of the negotiations.[/QUOTE)

Some hard bargaining then-complicated by the payment to St Mirren.

[madhatter]

Allan has another year at far more money than we'll pay him.Why would he move on a permanent deal?

Might want to get capped by Scotland one day? Every time he is at Hibs, pundits talk about him as if he is Zidane. Everywhere else he is alright or a wasted talent. I was surprised he signed up to HSL, maybe says something about him, especially since some Hibs fans sent him some abuse on social media around the time of the Rangers saga. He's had worse abuse from Rangers fans since mind you...

Seems to want to come to Hibs, I may be wrong.

[hfc rd]

£2.5mil, Allan on 3 year contract and Kouassi on loan would be my pick. Especially if we are getting Mallan (as rumoured). Kouassi would offer us something different. Personally don't rate Christie that highly, what annoys me about him is how much he dishes it out but then whines every time he gets tackled...that's maybe just because he doesn't play for Hibs mind you.

Allan, Morgan (or Christie) and Mallan would all be very similar and with Swanson already here I think would be too much competition for the same position. If McGinn is leaving we need a competitive/physical midfielder, only Kouassi suits that. If McGeouch is leaving, we need a solid disciplined midfielder with an array of passing, again Allan, Morgan, Christie and Mallan are better placed further up field (neither of which I would classify as 'disciplined' when it comes down to positioning - they float around the pitch to create).

Will be interesting to see what happens though. We might see a change of style and finally get some balance with wingers on both sides for the whole season, doubt it though, 3 at the back is becoming very popular.



Another player that is out of favour at Celtic is Cristian Gamboa. Would we might be able to get him on a season loan? Might be extremely wishful thinking. He’s not even made the Celtic bench last season. Has played that RWB role very well for Costa Rica at the WC.

£2.5M-£3M for McGinn with Allan permanent & Gamboa on loan?

[mayo hibee]

Presumably if more of the deal is focused on player swaps and contract payoffs, then St Mirren will get less as this will reduce the actual fee paid by Celtic. So it's maybe more in Hibs interest to go after a couple of Celtic players than bring in a larger transfer fee.

[Eyrie]

Presumably if more of the deal is focused on player swaps and contract payoffs, then St Mirren will get less as this will reduce the actual fee paid by Celtic. So it's maybe more in Hibs interest to go after a couple of Celtic players than bring in a larger transfer fee.

There will be a value assigned to any players involved, and St Mirren's share will be based on that eg McGinn for £2.5m plus Allan would see them get 30% of £2.7m if Allan is valued at £200k.

[madhatter]

There will be a value assigned to any players involved, and St Mirren's share will be based on that eg McGinn for £2.5m plus Allan would see them get 30% of £2.7m if Allan is valued at £200k.

Not if Celtic pay off Allan's contract, making him a free agent for Hibs to sign. I would imagine this is the sort of thing that will occur.

[nonshinyfinish]

£2.5mil, Allan on 3 year contract and Kouassi on loan would be my pick. Especially if we are getting Mallan (as rumoured). Kouassi would offer us something different. Personally don't rate Christie that highly, what annoys me about him is how much he dishes it out but then whines every time he gets tackled...that's maybe just because he doesn't play for Hibs mind you.

Allan, Morgan (or Christie) and Mallan would all be very similar and with Swanson already here I think would be too much competition for the same position. If McGinn is leaving we need a competitive/physical midfielder, only Kouassi suits that. If McGeouch is leaving, we need a solid disciplined midfielder with an array of passing, again Allan, Morgan, Christie and Mallan are better placed further up field (neither of which I would classify as 'disciplined' when it comes down to positioning - they float around the pitch to create).

Will be interesting to see what happens though. We might see a change of style and finally get some balance with wingers on both sides for the whole season, doubt it though, 3 at the back is becoming very popular.

Is Morgan not a wide player?

(I could be completely wrong, because I'm basing that on a two-year-old version of Football Manager.)

[hfc rd]

Is Morgan not a wide player?

(I could be completely wrong, because I'm basing that on a two-year-old version of Football Manager.)


He is but can also play centrally too

[madhatter]

Is Morgan not a wide player?

(I could be completely wrong, because I'm basing that on a two-year-old version of Football Manager.)

Wide left I think but most times I've seen him play he seems to drift in to the middle (not a bad thing but I always thought he would play in Allan's space). I've seen this mainly in the highlights so there is a good chance I missed every time he attacked down the left tbh, not as if I watched St Mirren every week.

[madhatter]

Have a funny feeling the deal will include a player like Hayes...

[southern hibby]

In a very negative mood tonight so I’m going for, McGinn Will only sign for Celtic ( as I’ve prviously stated a mate knows a member of his family who seems to think he’s desperate to sign for them ) irrespective of what he has been saying to folk.

I’ve also had a funny feeling that he is prepared to stay with us this season and sign a pre contract with Celtic in 6 months. However I am more than happy to be wrong on this as I obviously want the best deal for Hibs rather than proved to be correct.


GGTTH

[Borderhibbie76]

Was at east mains on Tuesday by invitation, there were 9 first team squad training with Gary Parker and 3 with the physios, no trialists, 5 due back tomorrow including Dylan , his term ends on Saturday.Graeme Mathie informed us that there were 4 positive targets in the pipeline with 2 all but secured. Would'nt elaborate though whether or not that included loanees from last season or new targets.Some positive news - thanks for the update sounds promising [emoji106]

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[Hermit Crab]

Have a funny feeling the deal will include a player like Hayes...


No thanks, already had a busted leg and I don't think he'd improve us anyway.

[madhatter]

No thanks, already had a busted leg and I don't think he'd improve us anyway.

I agree, I have a slight fear over this though...

[Hermit Crab]

I agree, I have a slight fear over this though...


Yeah, think Celtic might stiff us.

[IWasThere2016]

We’ve been in talks with Celtic on this for a long time now.

Yup. SJM is going nowhere else IMHO

[madhatter]

Yup. SJM is going nowhere else IMHO

He is bound to end up there - his family links are too strong. I believe he would not move to Celtic for free (run his contract down) though, I think he knows he owes Hibs and St Mirren a lot for developing him into the player he is today.

I may be wrong though, he may run his contract down and sign for The Rangers...

[calumhibee1]

No thanks, already had a busted leg and I don't think he'd improve us anyway.

His injury would be a worry, but nobody knows yet how that has effected him. If we were getting the Hayes from Aberdeen he'd improve us massively IMO.

[Lago]

£2.5mil, Allan on 3 year contract and Kouassi on loan would be my pick. Especially if we are getting Mallan (as rumoured). Kouassi would offer us something different. Personally don't rate Christie that highly, what annoys me about him is how much he dishes it out but then whines every time he gets tackled...that's maybe just because he doesn't play for Hibs mind you.

Allan, Morgan (or Christie) and Mallan would all be very similar and with Swanson already here I think would be too much competition for the same position. If McGinn is leaving we need a competitive/physical midfielder, only Kouassi suits that. If McGeouch is leaving, we need a solid disciplined midfielder with an array of passing, again Allan, Morgan, Christie and Mallan are better placed further up field (neither of which I would classify as 'disciplined' when it comes down to positioning - they float around the pitch to create).

Will be interesting to see what happens though. We might see a change of style and finally get some balance with wingers on both sides for the whole season, doubt it though, 3 at the back is becoming very popular.
Good thoughtful post :aok:

[brog]

Allan on a permanent deal, Kouassi /Morgan/Christie (one of) on a season loan, and £2.5 million would be my guess. Would love Morgan personally.

I posted very similar some time ago & I agree your thoughts 're Morgan. I'm really not a Christie fan & I suspect Rodgers isn't either but Celtc probably need to try & give him some game time this season. I don't think Morgan will be anywhere near Celtc first team but he could develop at ER. A possible win/win. FWIW I have never expected SJM to go anywhere other than the East End of Glasgow.

[MWHIBBIES]

Very silly if he chooses Celtic over going to Derby and learning from Frank Lampard. No brainer if he wants to be the best player he can be.

[3pm]

Very silly if he chooses Celtic over going to Derby and learning from Frank Lampard. No brainer if he wants to be the best player he can be.

Rodgers is a more proven coach than Lampard just now mate.

[SteveHFC]

£3M for McGinn plus Allan and Griffiths :hyper

[SHODAN]

So... Are we going to sign anyone this week?

[Ozyhibby]

Rodgers is a more proven coach than Lampard just now mate.

100% correct. Lampard could prove to be a complete dud.


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[ekhibee]

So who have we signed this season, apart from Kamberi? I've not read through the whole thread.

[Tobias Funke]

Very silly if he chooses Celtic over going to Derby and learning from Frank Lampard. No brainer if he wants to be the best player he can be.

Wow, Lampard already a world class coach and hasn’t managed in a single game yet. I know Rodgers has a coaching manual the size of a phone book (comes direct from a Celtic player) and his training sessions make Strachans methods look like a school playground kick about. McGinn will learn far more from Brendan Rodgers than Lampard, if he does go to Celtic.

[SaulGoodman]

So who have we signed this season, apart from Kamberi? I've not read through the whole thread.

We've signed Kamberi.
Some boy from Switzerland
Some boy that used to play for Grasshoppers
That Florian guy
And some dude that was on loan at a Scottish club last season.

[Juniper Greens]

We've signed Kamberi.
Some boy from Switzerland
Some boy that used to play for Grasshoppers
That Florian guy
And some dude that was on loan at a Scottish club last season.

He wasn't on loan at just any Scottish club last season...pretty sure it was "this particular club"

[truehibernian]

Yeah, think Celtic might stiff us.

Celtic have never 'stiffed' us and despite me not liking some of their social 'outlooks', we've a very very good relationship with them on a business front. Personally, and some may differ, I quite like the fact we can negotiate to sign players from the top side in Scotland. Especially with The Rangers so poor at present. Efe, Stokes, Dylan, Liam Henderson, and Scott Allan have had a major impact the last 3 seasons - league win and cup win - so sometimes you have to 'deal with the devil' HC if we are to be as successful as we can be in the climate we are in.

[IGRIGI]

If Mcginn going to Celtic means Allan signing permanently and another coming in on loan I'd be happy with that.

[greenlex]

Celtic have never 'stiffed' us and despite me not liking some of their social 'outlooks', we've a very very good relationship with them on a business front. Personally, and some may differ, I quite like the fact we can negotiate to sign players from the top side in Scotland. Especially with The Rangers so poor at present. Efe, Stokes, Dylan, Liam Henderson, and Scott Allan have had a major impact the last 3 seasons - league win and cup win - so sometimes you have to 'deal with the devil' HC if we are to be as successful as we can be in the climate we are in.
Anyone coming from Celtic this season IMO has to be a permanent deal if we are serious about challenging anywhere near them.

[truehibernian]

Anyone coming from Celtic this season IMO has to be a permanent deal if we are serious about challenging anywhere near them.

Allan will be

[SteveHFC]

MacLaren has told his club he wants to come back to us :hyper

[SMAXXA]

We’ve been in talks with Celtic on this for a long time now.

Not so sure we have

[Captain Trips]

MacLaren has told his club he wants to come back to us :hyper

Indeed and a fee would be involved I guess this is where NL tests the board of the club if he wants Jamie back.

[JeMeSouviens]

Apart from him not playing against Celtic, I think Morgan might be a better bet than Barker. Not sure who has more ability but Morgan definitely has more end product.

[Ronniekirk]

Apart from him not playing against Celtic, I think Morgan might be a better bet than Barker. Not sure who has more ability but Morgan definitely has more end product.

He is a natural finisher and great at cutting in from the left and shooting from distance
Would love to see him at Easter Rd on a Season Loan


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[snooky]

If Mcginn going to Celtic means Allan signing permanently and another coming in on loan I'd be happy with that.

If SJM goes to Celtc, will he be a first team regular or another part-time bench warmer like Sparky?

[MWHIBBIES]

Wow, Lampard already a world class coach and hasn’t managed in a single game yet. I know Rodgers has a coaching manual the size of a phone book (comes direct from a Celtic player) and his training sessions make Strachans methods look like a school playground kick about. McGinn will learn far more from Brendan Rodgers than Lampard, if he does go to Celtic.Lampard was a world class midfielder, a brilliant player and a clever guy. Would do better for McGinn than Rogers teaching him how to pass side ways and win an easy few medals. Moving to Celtic puts a ceiling on his potential, moving down south is the ambitious play.

[Haymaker]

Lampard was a world class midfielder, a brilliant player and a clever guy. Would do better for McGinn than Rogers teaching him how to pass side ways and win an easy few medals. Moving to Celtic puts a ceiling on his potential, moving down south is the ambitious play.

World class, brilliant and clever player yes.

Can he coach? Remains to be seen.

Being a good player with great experience does not necessarily mean he can coach and transfer that knowledge to younger players.

[MWHIBBIES]

World class, brilliant and clever player yes.

Can he coach? Remains to be seen.

Being a good player with great experience does not necessarily mean he can coach and transfer that knowledge to younger players.
Suppose in the same way winning things with Celtic doesn't make you a great coach.

McGinn will become a boring but effective square ball merchant at Celtic. England and Lampard would teach him more, assuming Lamps isn't a dud

[heretoday]

Lampard - world class professional certainly. Brilliant and clever player I dunno so much.

[Haymaker]

Suppose in the same way winning things with Celtic doesn't make you a great coach.

McGinn will become a boring but effective square ball merchant at Celtic. England and Lampard would teach him more, assuming Lamps isn't a dud

Assuming he isn't a dud I agree.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Lampard - world class professional certainly. Brilliant and clever player I dunno so much.

Take a look at his goal scoring record, absolutely brilliant and pretty clever IMO

[calumhibee1]

Celtic have never 'stiffed' us and despite me not liking some of their social 'outlooks', we've a very very good relationship with them on a business front. Personally, and some may differ, I quite like the fact we can negotiate to sign players from the top side in Scotland. Especially with The Rangers so poor at present. Efe, Stokes, Dylan, Liam Henderson, and Scott Allan have had a major impact the last 3 seasons - league win and cup win - so sometimes you have to 'deal with the devil' HC if we are to be as successful as we can be in the climate we are in.

Exactly. It’s been our most successful place to go and sign players, I don’t really care what other teams fans think. If keeping a good relationship in the board room with them means we can get players of the above mentioned quality then it’s worth doing because we’ll not be getting players like that from elsewhere often.

[Since90+2]

Lampard was a world class midfielder, a brilliant player and a clever guy. Would do better for McGinn than Rogers teaching him how to pass side ways and win an easy few medals. Moving to Celtic puts a ceiling on his potential, moving down south is the ambitious play.

Don't agree a move to Celtic puts a ceiling on his potential. If he does well he could end up with a move to a Premier League team , look at guys like Van Dijk and Wanyama or just recently Armstrong.

He will also potentially be playing Champions League football which he won't ever get at Derby.

[calumhibee1]

Don't agree a move to Celtic puts a ceiling on his potential. If he does well he could end up with a move to a Premier League team , look at guys like Van Dijk and Wanyama or just recently Armstrong.

He will also potentially be playing Champions League football which he won't ever get at Derby.

Exactly. It’s all about opinions, but I can’t see how people can’t see Celtic as being one of the most attractive options for a Scottish player. Can Dijk and Wanyama have shown it can be a good stepping stone to the very top level. Champions League football, winners medals galore, guaranteed Scotland caps. I’d rather look back on that at the end of my career than look back on finishing bottom end Premiership in a team that park the bus most weeks. Yes you’d get the experience of going to Old Trafford and Anfield etc once a season but it’s for a run of the mill league game, who cares? Scott Brown has been to these sorts of places and more (Nou Camp etc) on big European nights. I know what one id choose if the wages were similar.

[superfurryhibby]

Suppose in the same way winning things with Celtic doesn't make you a great coach.

McGinn will become a boring but effective square ball merchant at Celtic. England and Lampard would teach him more, assuming Lamps isn't a dud

It does make you an experienced coach and It’s undeniable that Lampard isn’t that.

You’re building a theory based on assumption and guesswork about the kind of player McGinn will become and the value of a complete rookie manager, it’s a poor argument.

If McGinn loves Celtic and he’s wanted by Rogers then I would guess that’s where he will go. Personally, I would rather he ends up down south, but you can’t always get what you want.

[CapitalGreen]

Suppose in the same way winning things with Celtic doesn't make you a great coach.

McGinn will become a boring but effective square ball merchant at Celtic. England and Lampard would teach him more, assuming Lamps isn't a dud

Say what you like about Rodgers coaching ability but his teams have rarely been boring.

[matty_f]

Don't agree a move to Celtic puts a ceiling on his potential. If he does well he could end up with a move to a Premier League team , look at guys like Van Dijk and Wanyama or just recently Armstrong.

He will also potentially be playing Champions League football which he won't ever get at Derby.

Correct. Like it or not, a move to Celtc would be great for SJM as much as it would pain me to see him line up for them, getting CL football and playing regularly on that stage would be massive for him.

[Paisley Hibby]

Allan plus cash that can be reinvested into the first team squad would be a great deal

Except since we can't give St Mirren a bit of Scott Allan we'd have to give them a bigger chunk of whatever cash we manage to get.

[makaveli1875]

Jamie Maclaren says he wants to come back , be good to see him and Flo back together again next season .

[1875STEVE]

Except since we can't give St Mirren a bit of Scott Allan we'd have to give them a bigger chunk of whatever cash we manage to get.

No we wouldn't.

They would get the same amount wether Allan is in the deal or not. A percentage of the transfer fee.

[Scooter]

No we wouldn't.

They would get the same amount wether Allan is in the deal or not. A percentage of the transfer fee.

Yeah we would. Say it was 2m + Allan. Allan would he given an amount say 500k. So we would be due 33% of 2.5m to st mirren

[calumhibee1]

No we wouldn't.

They would get the same amount wether Allan is in the deal or not. A percentage of the transfer fee.

Allan is also included as part of the fee, so he’d have to be valued. If he is valued at £500k and we receive £2.5m and Allan then we’d be deemed to have received £3m even though we only received £2.5m. St Mirren would get whatever percentage they’re entitled to of the £3m.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Except since we can't give St Mirren a bit of Scott Allan we'd have to give them a bigger chunk of whatever cash we manage to get.

I read that as having to give St Mirren a chunk of Scott Allan

God I need a coffee

[Gmack7]

what do we realistically think SA will be valued at?
My guess is150k. he hasn't kicked a ball for Celtic. been loaned various times and has 1 year left on his contract

[CockneyRebel]

No we wouldn't.

They would get the same amount wether Allan is in the deal or not. A percentage of the transfer fee.


St Mirren would surely be due their full share of the total transfer value including an estimate of the value of any players involved in a cash plus swap arrangement? Not sure how that would work if a player loan was included. Maybe any player loan would need to be a separate deal.

If swap players were not part of the sell on obligation then the "selling" club (in this case Hibs) could ask, say, Celtic for £3m of players on a straight swap and pay St Mirren hee haw (sorry chaps - no fee involved)- too open to "shenanigans", and you'd never get a sell on clause in any further deals.

[SHODAN]

It's now 2 and a half weeks until our first competitive tie, we have a far from complete squad and a mass of uncertainty as to when our two best players will leave, and no guarantee that they will be immediately replaced.

When do we start getting concerned?

[Heisenberg]

Or Celtc could just release Scott Allan to allow us to sign him permanently.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Cannot stand pre season. Constant refreshing of Hibs.net to see if someone has signed and getting all nervous about Hey Duggee beating SOL. I blame Scotland for not qualifying for WC

[Onion]

what do we realistically think SA will be valued at?
My guess is150k. he hasn't kicked a ball for Celtic. been loaned various times and has 1 year left on his contract

He's worth exactly what someone is prepared to pay for him. If Celtic put him on the market, don't see many queuing up to fork out more than £100k for him. Failed too many times.

[Greenworld]

Or Celtc could just release Scott Allan to allow us to sign him permanently.This 100%

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[Lago]

Correct. Like it or not, a move to Celtc would be great for SJM as much as it would pain me to see him line up for them, getting CL football and playing regularly on that stage would be massive for him.
It could be argued that both Celtic & Derby might only be a stepping stone to a club in the EPL or Europe.

[Bobby Moore]

The website the “The Celtic Star’ has an article this morning in which they seem certain that a deal for SJM going there will be done and announced this week.
Don’t know if they have good sources but just passing it on.

[brog]

It's now 2 and a half weeks until our first competitive tie, we have a far from complete squad and a mass of uncertainty as to when our two best players will leave, and no guarantee that they will be immediately replaced.

When do we start getting concerned?

We start getting concerned when you stop asking us this question. Have you, & others, learned nothing from recent transfer windows? AS started it by insisting on 'quality over quantity' & after a shaky start NL has followed suit. I think we signed 6 or 7 internationalists last summer & the winter window was IMO our best for many years. If you look back at transfer threads at those times, you'll see the same questions were being asked. Have faith.

[calumhibee1]

Jamie Maclaren says he wants to come back , be good to see him and Flo back together again next season .

I don’t think Maclaren is totally irreplaceable as an individual player, but since we know how good him and Flo are as a partnership I feel this is a singing we really need to push the boat out for. A partnership of about 35-40 goals a season is worth an absolute fortune. If we sell McGinn I’d be looking to spend up to around £500k of it to get Maclaren in and even a bit more to cover a signing on fee to soften the blow of his drop in wages. Allan and a strike force of they two would nearly guarantee us top 4 already.

[FilipinoHibs]

The website the “The Celtic Star’ has an article this morning in which they seem certain that a deal for SJM going there will be done and announced this week.
Don’t know if they have good sources but just passing it on.

Yes will be this week. We are getting Allan plus cash and a loanee. Heard from a Celtic fan with close ties to Rodgers in a bar in Singapore last night.

[Michael]

If be far more concerned if we'd made 5+ signings at this point.

Just look at the Fenlon and Calderwood squads - that's what panic buying gets you.

[calumhibee1]

If be far more concerned if we'd made 5+ signings at this point.

Just look at the Fenlon and Calderwood squads - that's what panic buying gets you.

That would depend who the 5 signings were surely? If it was Flo, Allan, Mallan and a couple of other lesser known names I’d be far from concerned. Infact id be ecstatic.

[Beefster]

Jamie Maclaren says he wants to come back , be good to see him and Flo back together again next season .

Got a link? I haven’t seen anything about that.

Edit: found the story.

[JimBHibees]

what do we realistically think SA will be valued at?
My guess is150k. he hasn't kicked a ball for Celtic. been loaned various times and has 1 year left on his contract

It would be interesting how that valuation would be done and by whom.

[MyJo]

I reckon we could get MacLaren signed up on a deal similar to Marciano.

affordable fee up front along with a sizeable sell-on fee to Darmstadt on the basis that he will spend a couple of seasons with us and attract interest from clubs down south who would be willing to pay a couple of million for him if all goes well.

I can also see McGinn going to Celtic, £2m plus Allan and a player like Hayes on a seasons loan would be my guess at the deal.

All speculation and not a source in sight :greengrin

[matty_f]

I believe McGinn will go to Celtc for a fee, of which St Mirren will get a cut. Scott Allan will sign, if not on the same day then definitely before the window closes. This will not be considered as the same transaction as McGinn's transfer, therefore no money will be due to St Mirren. Hibs will also get another player from Celtc prior to the window closing, this will be a loan.

[calumhibee1]

I reckon we could get MacLaren signed up on a deal similar to Marciano.

affordable fee up front along with a sizeable sell-on fee to Darmstadt on the basis that he will spend a couple of seasons with us and attract interest from clubs down south who would be willing to pay a couple of million for him if all goes well.

I can also see McGinn going to Celtic, £2m plus Allan and a player like Hayes on a seasons loan would be my guess at the deal.

All speculation and not a source in sight :greengrin

They’d be aswell giving us Hayes permanently. Never going to get near their team and not going to improve by going out on loan at his age.

[Ozyhibby]

I believe McGinn will go to Celtc for a fee, of which St Mirren will get a cut. Scott Allan will sign, if not on the same day then definitely before the window closes. This will not be considered as the same transaction as McGinn's transfer, therefore no money will be due to St Mirren. Hibs will also get another player from Celtc prior to the window closing, this will be a loan.

Exactly as happened with McGeogh when we sold them Allan.


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[Nevi_SOL]

Would much prefer Mcginn too go down south for 3 mil plus sell on fee. Mainly because if he has a few average seasons in engerland he will be worth X5 what he will at Celtic with a sell on

[we are hibs]

It's now 2 and a half weeks until our first competitive tie, we have a far from complete squad and a mass of uncertainty as to when our two best players will leave, and no guarantee that they will be immediately replaced.

When do we start getting concerned?


I'd share your concern if we weren't playing a side in Europe that we should beat comfortably with the squad already there. That gives us a couple more weeks to get bodies in but I'd rather they were in early to give them a chance to gel now.

[Callum_62]

Efe is back and training


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[jacomo]

Very silly if he chooses Celtic over going to Derby and learning from Frank Lampard. No brainer if he wants to be the best player he can be.


Oh dear.

You might as well argue SJM should go to The Rangers then.

I’d be amazed if both Lampard and Gerrard are still in their jobs by Christmas. Lampard, despite zero management experience, seems to think doing punditry at the WC is the best use of his time this summer.

Like him or loathe him (and I find him hard to like), Rodgers has way more coaching cred than these two.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Oh dear.

You might as well argue SJM should go to The Rangers then.

I’d be amazed if both Lampard and Gerrard are still in their jobs by Christmas. Lampard, despite zero management experience, seems to think doing punditry at the WC is the best use of his time this summer.

Like him or loathe him (and I find him hard to like), Rodgers has way more coaching cred than these two.

I agree. Gerrard in particular. He doesn't seem to realise 2nd place means the sack. Must have a huge ego to think he can stop Rodgers Celtic with their resources

[K-Zazu]

Efe is back and training


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That’s good of him eh

[Hibbyradge]

That’s good of him eh

:confused:

[K-Zazu]

:confused:

Why should he get extra time off?

[Smartie]

That’s good of him eh

I wasn't impressed by his nonsense last year. He took the piss and (like Stokes did) put Lennon in a difficult position.

I thought he started the season badly, but got much stronger the longer it went on.

If he's back early/ on time and taking preparations seriously then it will be of huge value to us.

On his game there aren't many players in the country as good as him. When he's fannying about, he's a liability.

[Callum_62]

Why should he get extra time off?

Who said he got extra time off?

Someone said they didnt see him at the HTC last week, but hes there. When he came back in im not sure


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[Hibbyradge]

Why should he get extra time off?

He didn't.

[Hibbyradge]

I wasn't impressed by his nonsense last year. He took the piss and (like Stokes did) put Lennon in a difficult position.

I thought he started the season badly, but got much stronger the longer it went on.

If he's back early/ on time and taking preparations seriously then it will be of huge value to us.

On his game there aren't many players in the country as good as him. When he's fannying about, he's a liability.

Hibs gave him permission to come back late because of personal reasons.

That's not taking the piss.

DLennon wouldn't tolerate it otherwise.

[Smartie]

Hibs gave him permission to come back late because of personal reasons.

That's not taking the piss.

DLennon wouldn't tolerate it otherwise.

Then he came back later than that.

Lennon wasn't amused, he was taking the piss.

Interesting to note he has come back bang on time this time.

One of the negative whispers coming out last season was that certain players seemed to get away with more than others. I don't think that's something that can be said any more.

[21.05.2016]

I agree. Gerrard in particular. He doesn't seem to realise 2nd place means the sack. Must have a huge ego to think he can stop Rodgers Celtic with their resources

Baffling that he decided to take the Huns as his first managerial job. The pressure is immense as the fans are expecting to be challenging Celtic for the title and failure to deliver that will have them on your back. With Rangers there is no time for any "rebuilding era" stuff, they've suffered being humiliated for too long and want someone who is going to hit the ground running and have them experiencing success straight away. A hell of a lot to ask.

I'd have started at a lower league club, build up my experience and gradually start to climb the ladder theres plenty time after all, he's still very young for a manager. He's thrown himself right into very deep waters. Some may call it ambitious, I personally think it's daft. Massive risk to his managerial development if it all goes wrong.

[Smartie]

Baffling that he decided to take the Huns as his first managerial job. The pressure is immense as the fans are expecting to be challenging Celtic for the title and failure to deliver that will have them on your back. With Rangers there is no time for any "rebuilding era" stuff, they've suffered being humiliated for too long and want someone who is going to hit the ground running and have them experiencing success straight away. A hell of a lot to ask.

I'd have started at a lower league club, build up my experience and gradually start to climb the ladder theres plenty time after all, he's still very young for a manager. He's thrown himself right into very deep waters. Some may call it ambitious, I personally think it's daft. Massive risk to his managerial development if it all goes wrong.

I think it's madness.

On one level though you have to say fair play to him - he hasn't taken a cushy little number to get started off. Straight in at the deep end with high expectation.

Stupidity rather than bravery I think.

[Billy Whizz]

Kenny Miller likely to be appointed Livi Manager tomorrow
Think he’s taking on a helleva challenge as his 1st managerial appt

[Hibbyradge]

Baffling that he decided to take the Huns as his first managerial job. The pressure is immense as the fans are expecting to be challenging Celtic for the title and failure to deliver that will have them on your back. With Rangers there is no time for any "rebuilding era" stuff, they've suffered being humiliated for too long and want someone who is going to hit the ground running and have them experiencing success straight away. A hell of a lot to ask.

I'd have started at a lower league club, build up my experience and gradually start to climb the ladder theres plenty time after all, he's still very young for a manager. He's thrown himself right into very deep waters. Some may call it ambitious, I personally think it's daft. Massive risk to his managerial development if it all goes wrong.

He'll be of the opinion that there's only one team to beat in Scotland. That's less of a challenge than competing in a "real league".

[The_Horde]

Kenny Miller likely to be appointed Livi Manager tomorrow
Think he’s taking on a helleva challenge as his 1st managerial appt

Player manager too. Although im lead to believe the backroom staff at Livi do a lot more of the work than what is normal so he'll maybe be handy as a motivator.

[Billy Whizz]

Player manager too. Although im lead to believe the backroom staff at Livi do a lot more of the work than what is normal so he'll maybe be handy as a motivator.

Think he’s got a challenge to finish higher up than bottom place, if that’s the case, his managerial career will have got off to a bad start
Just my view looking from the outside

[cabbageandribs1875]

Baffling that he decided to take the Huns as his first managerial job. The pressure is immense as the fans are expecting to be challenging Celtic for the title and failure to deliver that will have them on your back. With Rangers there is no time for any "rebuilding era" stuff, they've suffered being humiliated for too long and want someone who is going to hit the ground running and have them experiencing success straight away. A hell of a lot to ask.

I'd have started at a lower league club, build up my experience and gradually start to climb the ladder theres plenty time after all, he's still very young for a manager. He's thrown himself right into very deep waters. Some may call it ambitious, I personally think it's daft. Massive risk to his managerial development if it all goes wrong.



it's not really(imo), he's taken the easiest route knowing full well he's got plenty money for better players, i never liked him as a player due to his diving all over the place and i have even less respect(if that's possible) that he's started his managerial career at a club with a big budget, rookie at a vile football club..i wish both a whole lot of failure

[SeanWilson]

it's not really(imo), he's taken the easiest route knowing full well he's got plenty money for better players, i never liked him as a player due to his diving all over the place and i have even less respect(if that's possible) that he's started his managerial career at a club with a big budget, rookie at a vile football club..i wish both a whole lot of failure

Steven Gerrard was many things (mainly absolutely f'n phenomenal at football) but he was not a diver 🤣🤣

Say what you like but it's a good thing for Scottish football, creates global interest.

[worcesterhibby]

I believe McGinn will go to Celtc for a fee, of which St Mirren will get a cut. Scott Allan will sign, if not on the same day then definitely before the window closes. This will not be considered as the same transaction as McGinn's transfer, therefore no money will be due to St Mirren.

This..... it would be financially very naive to include them in the same deal.

[we are hibs]

Steven Gerrard was vastly overrated. There were several midfielders who were far better than him in the premier league but they didn't get fawned over as much by the media because they were foreign

[degenerated]

He'll be of the opinion that there's only one team to beat in Scotland. That's less of a challenge than competing in a "real league".I reckon he sees it as a free hit. If he makes an erse of it he can just blame it on the state of the club. It's no lose for him.

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[MWHIBBIES]

Steven Gerrard was many things (mainly absolutely f'n phenomenal at football) but he was not a diver 🤣🤣

Say what you like but it's a good thing for Scottish football, creates global interest.A quick google search will show him diving all over the place. He was terrible for it.

Brilliant player though, not overrated at all. Dragged average Liverpool sides up the league for years and scored so many important goals.

[JeMeSouviens]

A quick google search will show him diving all over the place. He was terrible for it.

Brilliant player though, not overrated at all. Dragged average Liverpool sides up the league for years and scored so many important goals.

Won a Champions League final single handed. Overrated though. :wink:

[we are hibs]

Won a Champions League final single handed. Overrated though. :wink:

1 champions league and 0 league titles. Overrated.

[flash]

1 champions league and 0 league titles. Overrated.

Not nearly as overrated as your eyesight.

[brog]

Steven Gerrard was vastly overrated. There were several midfielders who were far better than him in the premier league but they didn't get fawned over as much by the media because they were foreign

I will never fawn over an English player but, living in London, ive seen SG live on many occasions. He was a tremendous footballer. If he's overrated then i hope Hibs sign 10 overrated players this summer!

[BoomtownHibees]

Steven Gerrard was vastly overrated. There were several midfielders who were far better than him in the premier league but they didn't get fawned over as much by the media because they were foreign

Your first point is bollocks

[Stevie Reid]

Steven Gerrard was vastly overrated. There were several midfielders who were far better than him in the premier league but they didn't get fawned over as much by the media because they were foreign

Which midfielders were they?

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Won a Champions League final single handed. Overrated though. :wink:

"Single handed" haha

[HoboHarry]

1 champions league and 0 league titles. Overrated.

:shhhsh!:

[Brightside]

Which midfielders were they?

Scholes. Best midfielder england have ever produced.

[Onion]

Steven Gerrard was vastly overrated. There were several midfielders who were far better than him in the premier league but they didn't get fawned over as much by the media because they were foreign

Gerrard's performance and inspirational role in one of the greatest European Cup Final comebacks of all time leaves him with nothing to prove to anyone. Crazy comment.

[Big_Franck]

Steven Gerrard was many things (mainly absolutely f'n phenomenal at football) but he was not a diver 🤣🤣

Say what you like but it's a good thing for Scottish football, creates global interest.

He certainly dived for the penalty he won against Milan in the champions league final. English commentators were surprisingly quiet on that though. Its those bloody foreigners that dive, after all.

[SeanWilson]

He certainly dived for the penalty he won against Milan in the champions league final. English commentators were surprisingly quiet on that though. Its those bloody foreigners that dive, after all.

Whether he did or didn't, my point is when people think of SG as a player, diver isn't the first thing that springs to mind.

[SaulGoodman]

I hate it when I stumble into the Steven Gerrard discussion thread, I'm trying to find the transfer thread.

[Stevie Reid]

Scholes. Best midfielder england have ever produced.

And who is revered as much as Gerrard, if not more. So doesn't fit the argument.

[we are hibs]

Not nearly as overrated as your eyesight.

Great banter m8


Your first point is bollocks

Great input.


Which midfielders were they? 3 off the top of my head lampard scholes and modric who have all achieved more and were far better players



Gerrard's performance and inspirational role in one of the greatest European Cup Final comebacks of all time leaves him with nothing to prove to anyone. Crazy comment.

Not crazy at all. If Gerrard was so great why did he never win a league title? It's not as if Liverpool are a small club and haven't had some good players.

[BH Hibs]

Which midfielders were they?

Keane and Viera

[Stevie Reid]

3 off the top of my head lampard scholes and modric who have all achieved more and were far better players

But Lampard and Scholes are revered as much as Gerrard. You also claimed that these players were underrated because they were foreign.

Modric was a very good player for sure, but he won everything at Real. If Gerrard had gone to Chelsea when he had the chance, or had played for Real, he would've won more. And he won plenty anyway.

[007 Mickey Weir]

Allan is also included as part of the fee, so he’d have to be valued. If he is valued at £500k and we receive £2.5m and Allan then we’d be deemed to have received £3m even though we only received £2.5m. St Mirren would get whatever percentage they’re entitled to of the £3m.

Not if Celtic ‘Freed’ Allan and agreed a pay off with him. Complete that deal separately. As you could the loan.

[Stevie Reid]

Keane and Viera

Both massively rated by everyone.

[Barman Stanton]

Great banter m8



Great input.

3 off the top of my head lampard scholes and modric who have all achieved more and were far better players




Not crazy at all. If Gerrard was so great why did he never win a league title? It's not as if Liverpool are a small club and haven't had some good players.

I actually think that Scholes was better, but it doesn’t take away how great a player Gerrard was. And he never won a league title because Liverpool were not good enough. Had he left when he could, then I’m sure he would have won a title. But with his Champions League, Europa League, FA cup etc medals, I doubt he cry’s himself to sleep over it.

[Greencore]

well the EPL is the most overrated league in the world.. people would be saying Zidane is overrated if he played in the EPL.

[Smartie]

Whether he did or didn't, my point is when people think of SG as a player, diver isn't the first thing that springs to mind.

To be honest, the first thing I think about when I think about Gerrard is him falling on his arse and giving the league away.

Close behind that is the fact that he was one of the best midfielders of his generation who drove his team through matches.

Superb player, I hope his time at Sevco is short-lived and unsuccessful.

[we are hibs]

I actually think that Scholes was better, but it doesn’t take away how great a player Gerrard was. And he never won a league title because Liverpool were not good enough. Had he left when he could, then I’m sure he would have won a title. But with his Champions League, Europa League, FA cup etc medals, I doubt he cry’s himself to sleep over it.

I didn't say he was not a good player. Just not as good as people seem to think. He shouldn't be considered as one of the best players in premier league history when he never won a league title. And they were good enough 13/14 season but their bottle completely crashed

[BoomtownHibees]

Great banter m8



Great input.

3 off the top of my head lampard scholes and modric who have all achieved more and were far better players




Not crazy at all. If Gerrard was so great why did he never win a league title? It's not as if Liverpool are a small club and haven't had some good players.

You do realise that 2 of your 3 are English aye?

[MWHIBBIES]

1 champions league and 0 league titles. Overrated.Yeah, that's what makes a player great or not. Brazilian Ronaldo never won the champions league, he must be worse than Gerrard?

[Stevie Reid]

I didn't say he was not a good player. Just not as good as people seem to think. He shouldn't be considered as one of the best players in premier league history when he never won a league title. And they were good enough 13/14 season but their bottle completely crashed

Gerrard was the complete midfielder, and one of the best players the world has seen.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Keane, Viera, Lampard, Modric, Silva (Gilberto and David), Fabregas, Toure, Mata would all be in my ELP team before Stevie G

I don't think anyone is saying Gerrard was a bad player, just he's over-rated because he's English

[we are hibs]

Gerrard was the complete midfielder, and one of the best players the world has seen.

In your opinion.i think it's mental to suggest someone who never won a league can be seen as one of.the best players the world has ever seen.

Yeah, that's what makes a player great or not. Brazilian Ronaldo never won the champions league, he must be worse than Gerrard?

That's got nothing to do with anything in all honesty. Ronaldo won league titles which is your bread and butter. Gerrard didnt. I also don't know why you are mentioning Ronaldo when we are talking premier league players

[MWHIBBIES]

Or maybe Gerrard is underrated because we're all(mostly) Scottish?

[Heisenberg]

Not if Celtic ‘Freed’ Allan and agreed a pay off with him. Complete that deal separately. As you could the loan.

Makes the most sense for Hibs and will be what happens if McGinn is to go to Celtc imo. No point paying St Mirren any more cash if we can avoid it.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Gerrard and Lampard were very good players but for me Scholes was the one who was world class

[MWHIBBIES]

In your opinion.i think it's mental to suggest someone who never won a league can be seen as one of.the best players the world has ever seen.


That's got nothing to do with anything in all honesty. Ronaldo won league titles which is your bread and butter. Gerrard didnt. I also don't know why you are mentioning Ronaldo when we are talking premier league players

Stupid metric for judging a player. If football was a 1 on 1 competition then maybe you'd have a point. Ronaldo only won 2 titles and he was surrounded by Raul, Zidane, Figo, Beckham, Casillas and Morientes. Not Djimi Traore and Igor Biscan.

[Stevie Reid]

Or maybe Gerrard is underrated because we're all(mostly) Scottish?

It's quite funny comparing some of the more extreme comments about McGinn's ability and value, and the ones playing down Gerard's ability.

[Mcpakeisgod]

Going by the latest on this. I’m assuming Gerrard has resigned from rangers and came out of retirement to sign for the hibs ? A lot of airtime! Past it IMHO but in Lennon we trust....

[we are hibs]

Stupid metric for judging a player. If football was a 1 on 1 competition then maybe you'd have a point. Ronaldo only won 2 titles and he was surrounded by Raul, Zidane, Figo, Beckham, Casillas and Morientes. Not Djimi Traore and Igor Biscan.


In what way is it stupid to suggest a player isn't one of the best ever in that particular league when they never won it? You're acting as if he was at a smaller club surrounded by dross.

[Winston Ingram]

Keane, Viera, Lampard, Modric, Silva (Gilberto and David), Fabregas, Toure, Mata would all be in my ELP team before Stevie G

I don't think anyone is saying Gerrard was a bad player, just he's over-rated because he's English

Yep.

UEFA had him in their team of the year 3 times and their team of the century because he was English👍🏻

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11137046/liverpool-legend-steven-gerrard-included-in-uefa-team-of-century

[Sioux]

In your opinion.i think it's mental to suggest someone who never won a league can be seen as one of.the best players the world has ever seen.

You've not got a clue. Gerrard stayed at Liverpool because he was a Liverpool guy. He didn't chase the gold sovereign rings like many other average Joe's who just happened to play for a club that won a league. I suppose all the Leicester players were better the SG?

Just because a player won a league winners medal doesn't mean he was instrumental in winning a league, and therefore world class, in your eyes. Plenty players won league medals who couldn't lace Gerrard's boots.

[MWHIBBIES]

In what way is it stupid to suggest a player isn't one of the best ever in that particular league when they never won it? You're acting as if he was at a smaller club surrounded by dross.Its very stupid IMO. Gerrard was only twice close to winning the league and both times Liverpool were punching above their weight. If he played in the current Liverpool side with Salah, Firmino and Mane they'd be laughing. You can be a great player, a world class player, without winning the league. Gerrard was always the best player at Liverpool, was Scholes always the best at United? Was Lampard always the best at Chelsea? Probably not because they were surrounded with the words best.

Le Tissier was one of the Premier leagues best ever players and he probably didn't even finish top half.
Shearer only won it once.
Harry Kane likely to never win it if he stays at Spurs. He'll still score 300+ goals if he keeps going.

[madhatter]

Any Hibs rumours?

[LancsHibs]

Any chance of keeping this to Hibs transfer rumours, not interested in rating the playing attributes of the Huns manager or that of Derby bleedin County. No relevance to Hibs

[CapitalGreen]

You've not got a clue. Gerrard stayed at Liverpool because he was a Liverpool guy. He didn't chase the gold sovereign rings like many other average Joe's who just happened to play for a club that won a league. I suppose all the Leicester players were better the SG?

Just because a player won a league winners medal doesn't mean he was instrumental in winning a league, and therefore world class, in your eyes. Plenty players won league medals who couldn't lace Gerrard's boots.

https://forums.thisisanfield.com/register/

[Lago]

it's not really(imo), he's taken the easiest route knowing full well he's got plenty money for better players, i never liked him as a player due to his diving all over the place and i have even less respect(if that's possible) that he's started his managerial career at a club with a big budget, rookie at a vile football club..i wish both a whole lot of failure
You must have been watching a different Gerrard than me, diver not a label I sould put on him.

[K-Zazu]

You've not got a clue. Gerrard stayed at Liverpool because he was a Liverpool guy. He didn't chase the gold sovereign rings like many other average Joe's who just happened to play for a club that won a league. I suppose all the Leicester players were better the SG?

Just because a player won a league winners medal doesn't mean he was instrumental in winning a league, and therefore world class, in your eyes. Plenty players won league medals who couldn't lace Gerrard's boots.

Gerrard wasn’t allowed to leave Liverpool because of the scouse gangsters, that’s why the Chelsea deal fell through

[adhibs]

Any Hibs rumours?

Would be much more interesting than a debate over players with no relevance to hibs

[Lago]

Player manager too. Although im lead to believe the backroom staff at Livi do a lot more of the work than what is normal so he'll maybe be handy as a motivator.
I wish him well, had hoped a return to ER was on the cards.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.footballinsider247.com/rangers-battle-jamie-maclaren/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



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[Heisenberg]

https://www.footballinsider247.com/rangers-battle-jamie-maclaren/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



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https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2833750/hibs-jamie-maclaren-sv-darmstadt-easter-road/

[madhatter]

https://www.footballinsider247.com/rangers-battle-jamie-maclaren/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



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ah the tried and tested extensive scouting technique called "they done awright at Hibs" strikes again.

Lazy journalism or inept scouting? Everyone and their dog seems to be interested in our current and ex-players. Crazy.

[Souter96Mac]

I reckon J Mac will be back at Hibs next season, I wasn't so confident before, but now think it'll happen.

[Beefster]

ah the tried and tested extensive scouting technique called "they done awright at Hibs" strikes again.

Lazy journalism or inept scouting? Everyone and their dog seems to be interested in our current and ex-players. Crazy.

One of the side-effects of having a great season. Suppose it’s better than being pish and being saddled with huddies.

[Smartie]

I reckon J Mac will be back at Hibs next season, I wasn't so confident before, but now think it'll happen.

I thought he was a bit of an unsung hero.

He missed the odd chance and didn't seem to have everyone totally convinced but we looked pish without him at Tynecastle.

[Sioux]

Gerrard wasn’t allowed to leave Liverpool because of the scouse gangsters, that’s why the Chelsea deal fell through

:faf::faf::faf:

[HoboHarry]

Gerrard wasn’t allowed to leave Liverpool because of the scouse gangsters, that’s why the Chelsea deal fell through
Were they looking the other way or not paying attention when he bolted to Govan?

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Absolute nutters on this thread.

Since when was the quality of a footballer determined by the amount of league medals won?

Pat Stanton, arguably our greatest ever player, got one. And by all accounts he was a truly world class operator in his era.

[GloryGlory]

One of the side-effects of having a great season. Suppose it’s better than being pish and being saddled with huddies.

We should be charging them scouting fees! 😈

[NOLA]

Any Hibs rumours?

No [emoji850][emoji42]


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[frazeHFC]

Good news that McLaren wants to come back. Hope we make it happen.


Absolute nutters on this thread.

Since when was the quality of a footballer determined by the amount of league medals won?

Pat Stanton, arguably our greatest ever player, got one. And by all accounts he was a truly world class operator in his era.

This. If Gerrard had joined Chelsea or Real he'd have loads of honours to his name but instead stayed loyal to his boyhood team.

[Wheat Hound]

Scott Allan just posted a selfie on the Celtic team flight to their pre season camp along with Scott Bain. Would appear that any move is not imminent then...

[Stuart93]

Scott Allan just posted a selfie on the Celtic team flight to their pre season camp along with Scott Bain. Would appear that any move is not imminent then...

Is he not going to post pictures with his teammates cause he might be moving on?

[tamsonsbairn]

The website the “The Celtic Star’ has an article this morning in which they seem certain that a deal for SJM going there will be done and announced this week.
Don’t know if they have good sources but just passing it on.

I read an article on the e tims site and the guy there reckons that once they get the money from southampton it will be spent to buy SJM. it didn't mention a price though. :nlgwa.

[Don Giovanni]

Sunderland have signed John McLaughlin.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2018/june/mclaughlin-joins-sunderland&ved=2ahUKEwj1ubXPq-_bAhVdF8AKHbxiAvcQhlQwDHoECAMQCA&usg=AOvVaw02NpLjDY2K0wtpk7zjNSOb

[number9dream]

Scott Allan just posted a selfie on the Celtic team flight to their pre season camp along with Scott Bain. Would appear that any move is not imminent then...

On the plane to Austria with the rest of the Celtic squad.
I’d like to think we’ve made enquiries or even an offer by now. At least he’ll be keeping fit, just not with us - for now...

[Bostonhibby]

Were they looking the other way or not paying attention when he bolted to Govan?Dodgy dave is a bigger gangsta. Hid Stevie in the boot of his Ford Capri and smuggled him to the comparative safety of Govan. Now he's with the good guys they'll never find him.

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[Big_Franck]

Sunderland have signed John McLaughlin.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2018/june/mclaughlin-joins-sunderland&ved=2ahUKEwj1ubXPq-_bAhVdF8AKHbxiAvcQhlQwDHoECAMQCA&usg=AOvVaw02NpLjDY2K0wtpk7zjNSOb

Good news for us. I was starting to think he might sign again with the saviles. Hope they start the season with the old czech boy in goals.

[Captain Trips]

I read an article on the e tims site and the guy there reckons that once they get the money from southampton it will be spent to buy SJM. it didn't mention a price though. :nlgwa.

Here is half what we got for Armstrong Hibs. Thanks.

[Hibbyradge]

Great banter m8



Great input.

3 off the top of my head lampard scholes and modric who have all achieved more and were far better players




Not crazy at all. If Gerrard was so great why did he never win a league title? It's not as if Liverpool are a small club and haven't had some good players.



If Messi was that good, how come he's not won a World Cup?

[HibbyAndy]

If Messi was that good, how come he's not won a World Cup?


Cause he has never ever turned up in one single world cup game unlike the best player in the world Ronaldo :greengrin

[Jim44]

Scott Allan just posted a selfie on the Celtic team flight to their pre season camp along with Scott Bain. Would appear that any move is not imminent then...

Maybe Brenda has had a change of heart and intends to keep SA in his plans after all. There again, a grand or two is nothing to them and it might just be a wee leaving gift from Celtic to Allan. Either way tho’ it would have been preferable for us to have got him to ER as early as possible, if he was coming in the first place.

[Big L]

Hibs are maybe taking the £3Mill from Derby. That way any deal for Allan would be done in isolation.

[Nicho87]

Even seeing Allan train with Celtic makes me worry. We have competitive games very soon. What's the hold up. Hibs want Allan. What's the delay. Don't want McGinn chat.

[Stevie Reid]

Good news for us. I was starting to think he might sign again with the saviles. Hope they start the season with the old czech boy in goals.

He's only two years older than McLaughlin.

[J-C]

Even seeing Allan train with Celtic makes me worry. We have competitive games very soon. What's the hold up. Hibs want Allan. What's the delay. Don't want McGinn chat.

He's still a Celtic player until such time as he moves to us, are Celtic saying the same about McGinn still training with us?

[Stuart93]

Even seeing Allan train with Celtic makes me worry. We have competitive games very soon. What's the hold up. Hibs want Allan. What's the delay. Don't want McGinn chat.

McGinn's training with us, probably closer to going to Celtic than Allan to us. Doesn't mean much

[Heisenberg]

Even seeing Allan train with Celtic makes me worry. We have competitive games very soon. What's the hold up. Hibs want Allan. What's the delay. Don't want McGinn chat.

Money is usually the answer. Celtc aren’t just going to give him away (unless McGinn is involved) and he might want well compensated for giving up a hefty contract.

[Nicho87]

He's still a Celtic player until such time as he moves to us, are Celtic saying the same about McGinn still training with us?

The difference is Allan was with hibs last season and in so many words says he wants to stay as did the current hibs boss.

The boss had his tantrum after the derby defeat about ambition, I would think the board would be looking to back Lennon to have a strong squad ready for European games.

[Stuart93]

The difference is Allan was with hibs last season and in so many words says he wants to stay as did the current hibs boss.

The boss had his tantrum after the derby defeat about ambition, I would think the board would be looking to back Lennon to have a strong squad ready for European games.

And is there any evidence to suggest the board isn't/won't back him??

[Nicho87]

And is there any evidence to suggest the board isn't/won't back him??

He's currently in Celtic colours and not hibs being the obvious.

I'm sure they are I just want us to have a good go at Europe and Allan being a massive part in that hopefully.