Summer transfer thread

[Big L]

Not necessarily, if he only wants to go to Celtic, he will only be allowed when a reasonable offer comes in, I'd rather keep him and let him go for nowt than be screwed by that lot.

If McGinn had 3yrs or so left on his contract I would agree with you, time is not on our side. McGinn could sign a pre in Dec.

[bingo70]

If McGinn had 3yrs or so left on his contract I would agree with you, time is not on our side. McGinn could sign a pre in Dec.

What good is that to them if Celtic want him now?

Will Rodgers even still be there for the 19/20 season, I doubt it imo, 3 years winning everything will be enough for him I’d have thought.

[Big L]

If he wants to go to Celtic he’d better prepare for long spells on the bench.I don’t see him being first choice against Brown,Rogic,Ntcham and McGregor.

I agree, but McGinn may not. Plus Browns career at Celtic is coming to an end, this is possibly his last season.

[MrRobot]

For the money he’s on I think you could get better

For the money he is on we could probably get Sparky back and I know who I'd much prefer.

[Michael]

If he wants to go to Celtic he’d better prepare for long spells on the bench.I don’t see him being first choice against Brown,Rogic,Ntcham and McGregor.

He's already better than Ntcham and will soon better than Brown.

[bingo70]

He's already better than Ntcham and will soon better than Brown.

Celtic fans always scoff at that but I’ve seen absolutely nothing from Ntcham that makes me think he’s better than John Mcginn.

[IWasThere2016]

It's possible McGinn has stated he wants to go to Celtic, that would explain the lack of offers from other clubs who might have been interested it also allows Celtic to make ****ty offers and ensble them to drag it out, knowing that McGinn's going nowhere other than Celtic. The upshot if true is that we're playing with a weak hand.

We are, and we will need Celtc to pay off SA as we won't be paying him £7k a week (as Celtc are).

[Big L]

What good is that to them if Celtic want him now?

Will Rodgers even still be there for the 19/20 season, I doubt it imo, 3 years winning everything will be enough for him I’d have thought.

I think they would like him now, but that's not to say they are not prepared to wait till the break and get him for sweeties and that's the last thing we want to happen.

[Springbank]

If McGinn had 3yrs or so left on his contract I would agree with you, time is not on our side. McGinn could sign a pre in Dec.

Literally no problem with this

For 3 reasons
1) we get John McGinn in a Hibs jersey for another season, which I am happy about
2) football history is littered with stories of guys who go on to win a cup "as a farewell gift for the fans" and John McGinn could be that guy in 2019
3) to pick an example from elsewehere, rumours that Emre Can signed a pre contract with Juve last Jan didnt stop him getting to the Champs League Final with Liverpool.

The right people with the right mentality will succeed where they are, whether theyve signed a pre contract or not. John McGinn is one of those in my opinion, a top lad.

[Lago]

Quick question: Aberdeen and possibly even Hearts are playing with a bigger budget than us this summer and yet has either team signed anyone that you'd want at Hibs?
Maybe better asking that question after a few weeks of league football.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Literally no problem with this

For 3 reasons
1) we get John McGinn in a Hibs jersey for another season, which I am happy about
2) football history is littered with stories of guys who go on to win a cup "as a farewell gift for the fans" and John McGinn could be that guy in 2019
3) to pick an example from elsewehere, rumours that Emre Can signed a pre contract with Juve last Jan didnt stop him getting to the Champs League Final with Liverpool.

The right people with the right mentality will succeed where they are, whether theyve signed a pre contract or not. John McGinn is one of those in my opinion, a top lad.

Agreed - and I'm sure there will be a fairly decent financial reward should be finish in top 3, win the Scottish and progress further than the Faroes and Greek teams in Europe.

If Hibs receive a bid they feel is fair value and accept then we'll crack on with the signings we'll have identified as a replacement.

If we can get Jamie Mac, Allan plus a winger and CM we'll be sitting nicely imo.

[Cletus]

I’m guessing that if Celtic aren’t successful in prising SJM from us they’ll not be particularly helpful or accommodating when it comes to negotiating for SA. That said, I fully expect SJM to go to them for around 2.5m with Allan and potentially one other coming to us.

[overdrive]

It's possible McGinn has stated he wants to go to Celtic, that would explain the lack of offers from other clubs who might have been interested it also allows Celtic to make ****ty offers and ensble them to drag it out, knowing that McGinn's going nowhere other than Celtic. The upshot if true is that we're playing with a weak hand.

The weak hand will get weaker if he's not been sold (to whichever club) by 9th August. If he's not gone by then, Celtic become the only real option for him to go to (unless a European team come in for him). With no English clubs able to bid for him, Celtic could force our hand with a very poor offer.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

I wonder what the back up plan is if we don’t sell SJM? I reckon the transfer fee is what’s delaying our further activity in the market. That and who our targets are for CM if John does go.

Delaying the transfer could make us weaker (especially up front) which benefits Celtc and the other top half clubs of the league.

Sell SJM = McLaren, another CM, winger

Don’t sell = No McLaren, back up plan striker?

[Johnny_Leith]

Fulham sign jean-michael seri, ivorian international centre midfielder so not sure if that closes the door on McGinn for Fulham.

[Ronniekirk]

I wonder what the back up plan is if we don’t sell SJM? I reckon the transfer fee is what’s delaying our further activity in the market. That and who our targets are for CM if John does go.

Delaying the transfer could make us weaker (especially up front) which benefits Celtc and the other top half clubs of the league.

Sell SJM = McLaren, another CM, winger

Don’t sell = No McLaren, back up plan striker?
it was widely anticipated McGinn would go this window . Yes part of his sale would. be reinvested in the team But notwithstanding that L D had already announced our overall Player and Backroom staff Budget is the highest it has ever been We got Kamberi and Mallan for reasons able fees and both should command very good fees when they move on
Think we are now spending to accumulate money further down the line ,but with the goal of being as competitive as we can be again this Season
So with Dylan gone ,and uncertainty around if McLaren will be back ,we need to ensure we progress in Europe this round .Which imo makes sense to play Mcginn ,and then build on getting quality players in for next round ,and incrementally progress and get better as a team for start of Season ,and the third round of Europe
The Board will have a plan B ,am sure of that ,but equally they will have a time frame within which it would be the optimum time to sell Mcginn .
The Board clearly feel the time isn't right ,and neither is Celtics first Bid .
Do think we need to be patient with this one .
And yes ,I know ,and TheManager and the Board know ,we need more Quality signings
They will arrive am confident of that


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[Callum_62]

Rangers sign that lassana coulibaly on season loan

[nonshinyfinish]

I agree 100% just feels a bit strange. We aren't even getting any crap rumours!

Ok, here’s a crap rumour: I’m hearing Claudio Pizarro is joining as player/manager.

[Not In The Know]

would Mcginn playing on thursday cup tie him for Celtic?

[Onceinawhile]

would Mcginn playing on thursday cup tie him for Celtic?

No.

[J-C]

would Mcginn playing on thursday cup tie him for Celtic?

Not seen that asked yet

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[SteveHFC]

Allan is on the bench for Celtic.

[Bobby Moore]

Scott Allan listed as a sub for Celtic in today’s Champions League qualifier in Armenia.

[IncredibleHibee]

would Mcginn playing on thursday cup tie him for Celtic?

If I see this question one more time I’m going to lose the rag!!! 😂

[Smartie]

Allan is on the bench for Celtic.

Will that cup tie him if he wants to play for us in Europe?

[we are hibs]

Anyone know if Allan being on the bench for Celtic means he is European cup tied for hibs games?

[hhibs]

Not necessarily, if he only wants to go to Celtic, he will only be allowed when a reasonable offer comes in, I'd rather keep him and let him go for nowt than be screwed by that lot.

:top marks

[Michael]

Anyone know if Lennon watching the Celtic game on TV cup-tie him from managing us in Europe?

[Tynie01011973]

Anyone know if Allan being on the bench for Celtic means he is European cup tied for hibs games?

No, Celtic are playing in Champions League qualifiers NOT Europa League, so different competitions

[HoboHarry]

Anyone know if Lennon watching the Celtic game on TV cup-tie him from managing us in Europe?
Yes it does - it also means he can't play golf anywhere in Europe other than in Scotland this season......

[Springbank]

Anyone know if Lennon watching the Celtic game on TV cup-tie him from managing us in Europe?

Of course not! FFS. He does have to watch the television from the kitchen as he's banned from the lounge for the first 4 games though

[Hermit Crab]

Allan is on the bench for Celtic.


Live on Premier Sport, not paying £9.99 for that.

[CapitalGreen]

No, Celtic are playing in Champions League qualifiers NOT Europa League, so different competitions

Doesn't matter what competition he plays in, cup-tied rules no longer exist.

[we are hibs]

Live on Premier Sport, not paying £9.99 for that.


Hibs game on it next week too but neither am I. I'm sure it's basically Setanta who were the ones who nearly killed off Scottish football so they aren't getting a penny from me

[wazoo1875]

Live on Premier Sport, not paying £9.99 for that.

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[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Hibs game on it next week too but neither am I. I'm sure it's basically Setanta who were the ones who nearly killed off Scottish football so they aren't getting a penny from me

Is it? I thought they only picked the Celtic and rangers qualifiers?

[Hermit Crab]

Is it? I thought they only picked the Celtic and rangers qualifiers?


I think they showed our away game in Brondby.

[BegbieHSC]

Stokesy away to Shamrock Rovers. Here’s another good luck message to him ;)

[SteveHFC]

Hibs game on it next week too but neither am I. I'm sure it's basically Setanta who were the ones who nearly killed off Scottish football so they aren't getting a penny from me

The 2nd leg of the second round is on it too if we get through.

[hibsbollah]

Ronaldo to Juve confirmed, 100million euro, 4 year deal for a 33 year old. Will earn over 100million in wages too.

[Borderhibbie76]

Maybe better asking that question after a few weeks of league football.Yeah a lot of unknowns especially with the Yams signings...one thing possibly in their favour is they got their signings in early so have time to gel...whether most of them are any good or not remains to be seen. Clearly a lot of our business is going to be done late so players are going to have to hit the ground running...whether that be in euro ties or league games

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[brog]

So who's this Swedish winger we're meant to be signing?

[Sioux]

Ronaldo to Juve confirmed, 100million euro, 4 year deal for a 33 year old. Will earn over 100million in wages too.

Corrupt!

[Hermit Crab]

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Watching it but its a bit laggy, the boy Tierney looks very good, already playing very well. Surprised Everton dropped their interest.

[RoslinInstHibby]

Ronaldo to Juve confirmed, 100million euro, 4 year deal for a 33 year old. Will earn over 100million in wages too.

they will make a fair chunk of it back on strip sales...

[brog]

So who's this Swedish winger we're meant to be signing?

It's OK just seen PM thread. Apparently some dumb hoax.

[The_Horde]

So who's this Swedish winger we're meant to be signing?

Mistad obalina

[Nicho87]

If Allan comes on is he cup tied for hibs in Europe?

[madhatter]

Ronaldo to Juve confirmed, 100million euro, 4 year deal for a 33 year old. Will earn over 100million in wages too.

Juve was a strange destination

100 million in wages in 4 years...that is disgusting, people are at food banks and these football players are getting paid this much, and use tax evasion techniques as well...

[Ken]

If Allan comes on is he cup tied for hibs in Europe?

Only if he takes a corner with his left foot


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[Hibernian Verse]

Juve was a strange destination

100 million in wages in 4 years...that is disgusting, people are at food banks and these football players are getting paid this much, and use tax evasion techniques as well...It's a lot of money but it's not disgusting. People earn different amounts based on what their job role is and the earnings of that particular company.

Capitalism isn't wrong! We are all at fault if it is.

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[Hermit Crab]

0-1 celtic.

[brog]

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Thanks for this. I've got a perfect picture. Celtc are keek but Edouard scored a good goal after James Forrest's shot was going 25 yards wide!!

[Unseen work]

Juve was a strange destination

100 million in wages in 4 years...that is disgusting, people are at food banks and these football players are getting paid this much, and use tax evasion techniques as well...

What difference does it make what footballers earn to folk using foodbanks?

[stoneyburn hibs]

0-1 celtic.

Good goal, Edouard is good investment for them.

It's a joke that Celtic have to play 8 games to get into the group stages.

[J-C]

If Allan comes on is he cup tied for hibs in Europe?

He'll be cup tied for the Betfred and Dryburgh cups only and can only play in the quarters of the Scottish.

[Unseen work]

I can’t beleive people are saying that was a good goal, Simunovic tried to barge his way through everyone, deflection fell to Forrest whose volley was wild and fell to Edouard who had a simple finish.

[xyz23jc]

He'll be cup tied for the Betfred and Dryburgh cups only and can only play in the quarters of the Scottish.

More importantly, what about the East of Scotland Shield? :duck::greengrin

[madhatter]

It's a lot of money but it's not disgusting. People earn different amounts based on what their job role is and the earnings of that particular company.

Capitalism isn't wrong! We are all at fault if it is.

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It is disgusting when we have so called rules regarding financial fairplay in football, no way can Juventus afford Ronaldo, Higuain, Dybala, Cuadrado, Chiellini, Pjanic, etc. from funds raised within the club. Maybe they will be selling quite a few but that fee and those wages for Ronaldo will absorb almost half of their turnover annually (if they have an equally good season). Of course they will get a lot through shirt sales etc. but not enough to cover 200m for Ronaldo alone.

[calumhibee1]

Juve was a strange destination

100 million in wages in 4 years...that is disgusting, people are at food banks and these football players are getting paid this much, and use tax evasion techniques as well...

And Ronaldo will earn Juve way more than £100m. He’s entitled to his cut. If I worked at Standard Life and I made them £500m or so I’d want to be paid accordingly, whether there’s people using food banks or not.

[hibbysam]

It is disgusting when we have so called rules regarding financial fairplay in football, no way can Juventus afford Ronaldo, Higuain, Dybala, Cuadrado, Chiellini, Pjanic, etc. from funds raised within the club. Maybe they will be selling quite a few but that fee and those wages for Ronaldo will absorb almost half of their turnover annually (if they have an equally good season). Of course they will get a lot through shirt sales etc. but not enough to cover 200m for Ronaldo alone.

Dry your eyes.

[Hibernian Verse]

It is disgusting when we have so called rules regarding financial fairplay in football, no way can Juventus afford Ronaldo, Higuain, Dybala, Cuadrado, Chiellini, Pjanic, etc. from funds raised within the club. Maybe they will be selling quite a few but that fee and those wages for Ronaldo will absorb almost half of their turnover annually (if they have an equally good season). Of course they will get a lot through shirt sales etc. but not enough to cover 200m for Ronaldo alone.The reality is that the financial fair play rules don't do enough to bring it to a level we would all like to see. These clubs are turning over unreal amounts each year, when Real signed Ronaldo they made 80m back in shirt sales alone. We are too far gone to see caps brought in now IMO.

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[Hermit Crab]

Thanks for this. I've got a perfect picture. Celtc are keek but Edouard scored a good goal after James Forrest's shot was going 25 yards wide!!


Good goal, Edouard is good investment for them.

It's a joke that Celtic have to play 8 games to get into the group stages.


They just done some sort of interview with Scott Allan at half time and he appears to be "happy" there, he's squad number 19 this season, was number 29 the last time he was a Celtic, not that means much of course.

[1van Sprou7e]

Good goal, Edouard is good investment for them.

It's a joke that Celtic have to play 8 games to get into the group stages.

Is it not the same for us?

[Hermit Crab]

Is it not the same for us?


Yes but we didn't win the league. We got into Europe by default.

[Unseen work]

They just done some sort of interview with Scott Allan at half time and he appears to be "happy" there, he's squad number 19 this season, was number 29 the last time he was a Celtic, not that means much of course.

He’s always been 19

[stoneyburn hibs]

Is it not the same for us?

Yes, just find that it's ridiculous that a countries champions are not straight in.

[ElginHibbie]

Is it not the same for us?

But we are not a team who are champions competing in a competition called ‘Champions League’

[matty_f]

Yes but we didn't win the league. We got into Europe by default.

No we didn't, we earned our place.

[Hermit Crab]

He’s always been 19


Thats what I get for not having my specs on, you are correct.

[Tobias Funke]

Dry your eyes.

Impossible, always greetin’ about something. Biggest pain in the arse on here.

[Winston Ingram]

Good goal, Edouard is good investment for them.

It's a joke that Celtic have to play 8 games to get into the group stages.

No really as they’ve proven there no where near good enough for it over recent years.

They’ve been battered senseless on many occasions.

[madhatter]

What difference does it make what footballers earn to folk using foodbanks?

I'm sure Ronaldo, Messi etc. have been involved in tax evasion cases because they were trying to secure as much of their money so they can then give it to charity...

Everyone expected to give money to help with poverty apart from the filthy rich? Not sure the point you are trying to make. Rich people can have a greater effect on poverty, especially in numbers.

Put a cap on football players wages, Dundee FC can't even pay their workers minimum wage ffs. Capitalism is a bad thing if that happens.

[Allant1981]

Yes but we didn't win the league. We got into Europe by default.

how did we get in by default?

[madhatter]

Impossible, always greetin’ about something. Biggest pain in the arse on here.

What is your problem? You are greetin' about my greetin' for a start. Get a grip and stop following me on to every thread to make untoward comments about me. It's childish.

[stoneyburn hibs]

No really as they’ve proven there no where near good enough for it over recent years.

They’ve been battered senseless on many occasions.

Or you could look at it another way. If Scotland were guaranteed a place in the group stage every season it would be beneficial to the whole of the game.

[Ronniekirk]

It's a lot of money but it's not disgusting. People earn different amounts based on what their job role is and the earnings of that particular company.

Capitalism isn't wrong! We are all at fault if it is.

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All about opinions but it is not fair that footballers can earn what to most is an obscene amount in times of Austerity for others But yep Capitalism makes the World go round



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[Unseen work]

I'm sure Ronaldo, Messi etc. have been involved in tax evasion cases because they were trying to secure as much of their money so they can then give it to charity...

Everyone expected to give money to help with poverty apart from the filthy rich? Not sure the point you are trying to make. Rich people can have a greater effect on poverty, especially in numbers.

Put a cap on football players wages, Dundee FC can't even pay their workers minimum wage ffs. Capitalism is a bad thing if that happens.

Footballers in general contribute to tax and numerous charities.

My point is it’s irrelevant what footballers earn as it’s a massive business.

It’s the same argument as nurses etc should get the same pay as footballers. It’s simply not feesible.

[CapitalGreen]

Or you could look at it another way. If Scotland were guaranteed a place in the group stage every season it would be beneficial to the whole of the game.

Not sure how Celtic knowing they’ll be guaranteed €15m+ every season would be good for Scottish football. The fact they have to get through a tricky qualification every year to get that money reigns in how much they can invest in their squad each year.

[madhatter]

Footballers in general contribute to tax and numerous charities.

My point is it’s irrelevant what footballers earn as it’s a massive business.

It’s the same argument as nurses etc should get the same pay as footballers. It’s simply not feesible.

I know it isn't feasible but the day we regard 100m in 4 years for a football player as the norm is not something I wish to contemplate. Ronaldo is likely to get 50m+ in sponsorship in that time as well, always in some advert for something.

Football only remains a massive business due to the fans, if it keeps going the way it is going, most fans will be priced out of the game.

[Hermit Crab]

Sinclair and Kouassi on for Celtic, no sign of SA getting on yet.

[GordonHFC]

He'll be cup tied for the Betfred and Dryburgh cups only and can only play in the quarters of the Scottish.

Free to play in the Coronation Cup though.

[MWHIBBIES]

Juve was a strange destination

100 million in wages in 4 years...that is disgusting, people are at food banks and these football players are getting paid this much, and use tax evasion techniques as well...

The 2 things aren't related at all.


It is disgusting when we have so called rules regarding financial fairplay in football, no way can Juventus afford Ronaldo, Higuain, Dybala, Cuadrado, Chiellini, Pjanic, etc. from funds raised within the club. Maybe they will be selling quite a few but that fee and those wages for Ronaldo will absorb almost half of their turnover annually (if they have an equally good season). Of course they will get a lot through shirt sales etc. but not enough to cover 200m for Ronaldo alone.

Juventus certainly can afford Ronaldo, they are run extremely well and have made a lot of money recently selling players. They wouldn't be signing him if it was going to put them in dangers.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Not sure how Celtic knowing they’ll be guaranteed €15m+ every season would be good for Scottish football. The fact they have to get through a tricky qualification every year to get that money reigns in how much they can invest in their squad each year.

Well apart from the fact that the other league teams would receive an income just for them being there, surely the money would filter down via Scottish transfers.

[Hermit Crab]

If McGinn plays for us on Thursday and then Celtic sign him and Celtic drop into the Europa league later then he will be cup tied. :wink:

[madhatter]

Sinclair and Kouassi on for Celtic, no sign of SA getting on yet.

One thing we need to take from the Celtic game is that we need to be prepared for Thursday...I'd argue the gulf between Celtic and Alashkert is bigger than us vs Runavik. Celtic should be blowing away Alashkert and they aren't, Alashkert have even had a few decent chances.

Looking forward to Thursday but hope their match sharpness doesn't give them too big an advantage/leveller.

[Hermit Crab]

Lewis Morgan on for Celtic now.

[madhatter]

The 2 things aren't related at all.



Juventus certainly can afford Ronaldo, they are run extremely well and have made a lot of money recently selling players. They wouldn't be signing him if it was going to put them in dangers.

Think there is a suggestion of them selling Higuain, so I'm sure there will be an impact that they wish to diminish. Never suggested they would be in danger.

[Hermit Crab]

One thing we need to take from the Celtic game is that we need to be prepared for Thursday...I'd argue the gulf between Celtic and Alashkert is bigger than us vs Runavik. Celtic should be blowing away Alashkert and they aren't, Alashkert have even had a few decent chances.

Looking forward to Thursday but hope their match sharpness doesn't give them too big an advantage/leveller.


Agree, while Celtic haven't "struggled" they've not been at their best and created very little.

[Hermit Crab]

0-2 Celtic, tie over. Right Brendan, hand over Scott Allan.

[Silversand]

Lewis Morgan on for Celtic now.Does this mean he's cup-tied for us?

[emoji848]

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[ancient hibee]

One thing we need to take from the Celtic game is that we need to be prepared for Thursday...I'd argue the gulf between Celtic and Alashkert is bigger than us vs Runavik. Celtic should be blowing away Alashkert and they aren't, Alashkert have even had a few decent chances.

Looking forward to Thursday but hope their match sharpness doesn't give them too big an advantage/leveller.


Climate is against normal Celtic game.Maybe the same for a team from the Faroes:greengrin

[JimBHibees]

If McGinn plays for us on Thursday and then Celtic sign him and Celtic drop into the Europa league later then he will be cup tied. :wink:

Don't think that is the case this season.

[Hermit Crab]

0-3 McGregor, Cmon Brendan you know it makes sense.

Its 10pm at night in Armenia and its still 30c heat. around 200 Celtic fans travelled to Armenia.

[Winston Ingram]

Or you could look at it another way. If Scotland were guaranteed a place in the group stage every season it would be beneficial to the whole of the game.

Not at all.

It ruins our league as the money creates a much bigger gap.

In Europe, it’s not the CL money that makes the difference. It’s the domestic TV deals that the top leagues have.

Celtic are always going to get rag dolled in Europe unless the domestic TV deals improve dramatically. All it does is ruin our league.

[B.H.F.C]

I know Celtic have a few players to come back but lookin at their bench with the likes of Christie, Allan and Morgan ain’t going to get them very far in the champions league. You could argue signig McGinn doesn’t help in that sense.

Given the money they’ve taken in the last few years they should be stronger. I don’t think they’ll do the treble again this year.

[Col2]

Posted this on ticket thread but relevant here...Hibs social media in overdrive. Season tickets, testimonial and Europa cup game, buy buy buy tickets.

Yet 3 signings, one of which on loan and could be back up (goalie). 10th July now and no sign of Neil Lennon.

Fans continue to step up and be counted. Time for club to seal the deals very very soon so we are ready for new season 3 weeks on Saturday. Our whole transfer strategy cannot be based on McGinn going or not surely?

[davhibby]

Posted this on ticket thread but relevant here...Hibs social media in overdrive. Season tickets, testimonial and Europa cup game, buy buy buy tickets.

Yet 3 signings, one of which on loan and could be back up (goalie). 10th July now and no sign of Neil Lennon.

Fans continue to step up and be counted. Time for club to seal the deals very very soon so we are ready for new season 3 weeks on Saturday. Our whole transfer strategy cannot be based on McGinn going or not surely?

You're right. Can't believe we've not just gone out and signed as many free agents as possible no matter how good they are like a certain club from Edinburgh. Actually bringing in quality takes time. How many signings have Celtic made so far in this window?

[Jones28]

Posted this on ticket thread but relevant here...Hibs social media in overdrive. Season tickets, testimonial and Europa cup game, buy buy buy tickets.

Yet 3 signings, one of which on loan and could be back up (goalie). 10th July now and no sign of Neil Lennon.

Fans continue to step up and be counted. Time for club to seal the deals very very soon so we are ready for new season 3 weeks on Saturday. Our whole transfer strategy cannot be based on McGinn going or not surely?

Tbf to the club, they signed Kamberi, signed Mallan and signed a solid championship goalkeeper in Bogdan - this is the earliest I can remember Hibs getting quality deals over the line

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Posted this on ticket thread but relevant here...Hibs social media in overdrive. Season tickets, testimonial and Europa cup game, buy buy buy tickets.

Yet 3 signings, one of which on loan and could be back up (goalie). 10th July now and no sign of Neil Lennon.

Fans continue to step up and be counted. Time for club to seal the deals very very soon so we are ready for new season 3 weeks on Saturday. Our whole transfer strategy cannot be based on McGinn going or not surely?

I’d say our transfer strategy is mostly based around the amount of fans we get through the gates.

[Callum_62]

You're right. Can't believe we've not just gone out and signed as many free agents as possible no matter how good they are like a certain club from Edinburgh. Actually bringing in quality takes time. How many signings have Celtic made so far in this window?

I keep reading this and then Juve signed probably the best player in the world


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[SquashedFrogg]

I’d say our transfer strategy is mostly based around the amount of fans we get through the gates.

Think this is quite a sensible approach.

[calumhibee1]

I keep reading this and then Juve signed probably the best player in the world


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Exactly. Hearts have signed a guy who while I wouldn’t want him is apparently on 40k a week down south and it never took them long to negotiate the percentage they were paying etc. Olly Lee looks a good signing aswell. Rangers have signed a good few players, some of them of decent pedigree. But the same people will probably still be telling us after the Motherwell game how things take time, they’re not worried and everyone should relax like they are.

[madhatter]

Exactly. Hearts have signed a guy who while I wouldn’t want him is apparently on 40k a week down south and it never took them long to negotiate the percentage they were paying etc. But the same people will probably still be telling us after the Motherwell game how things take time and they’re not worried.

What would annoy me is if it takes months and months and then we end up with a loan on the last few days of the transfer window. That isn't it taking time, that suggests waiting to see what becomes available, that is a risky game and is reliant on other teams plans rather than our own. Surely there are good players out of contract? Dundee signed Kamara for free.

[Hermit Crab]

Exactly. Hearts have signed a guy who while I wouldn’t want him is apparently on 40k a week down south and it never took them long to negotiate the percentage they were paying etc. Olly Lee looks a good signing aswell. Rangers have signed a good few players, some of them of decent pedigree. But the same people will probably still be telling us after the Motherwell game how things take time, they’re not worried and everyone should relax like they are.


They've also signed another guy today on a pre contract David Vanecek. Thats 12 signings.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44780558

[Cletus]

Exactly. Hearts have signed a guy who while I wouldn’t want him is apparently on 40k a week down south and it never took them long to negotiate the percentage they were paying etc. Olly Lee looks a good signing aswell. Rangers have signed a good few players, some of them of decent pedigree. But the same people will probably still be telling us after the Motherwell game how things take time, they’re not worried and everyone should relax like they are.

Right. Let’s get rid of George Craig, Lennon, Parker and Dempster and appoint Calumhibee1 to sort everything out. 😂

[CapitalGreen]

Exactly. Hearts have signed a guy who while I wouldn’t want him is apparently on 40k a week down south and it never took them long to negotiate the percentage they were paying etc. Olly Lee looks a good signing aswell. Rangers have signed a good few players, some of them of decent pedigree. But the same people will probably still be telling us after the Motherwell game how things take time, they’re not worried and everyone should relax like they are.


What would annoy me is if it takes months and months and then we end up with a loan on the last few days of the transfer window. That isn't it taking time, that suggests waiting to see what becomes available, that is a risky game and is reliant on other teams plans rather than our own. Surely there are good players out of contract? Dundee signed Kamara for free.

The dates we made big signings in recent seasons, would you be happy to wait if it means we bring in similar quality to the below?

Steven Whittaker 15/07/17
Marvin Bartley 17/07/15
Scott Allan 25/07/14
Vykintas Slivka 26/07/17
John McGinn 31/07/15
Anthony Stokes 02/08/17
Ofir Marciano 03/08/16
Liam Henderson 14/08/15
Brandon Barker 17/08/17
Dylan McGeough 21/08/15 & 01/09/14
Darren McGregor 25/08/15

[Kato]

It is disgusting when we have so called rules regarding financial fairplay in football, no way can Juventus afford Ronaldo, Higuain, Dybala, Cuadrado, Chiellini, Pjanic, etc. from funds raised within the club. Maybe they will be selling quite a few but that fee and those wages for Ronaldo will absorb almost half of their turnover annually (if they have an equally good season). Of course they will get a lot through shirt sales etc. but not enough to cover 200m for Ronaldo alone.

Write to your mp about it.

[HoboHarry]

What would annoy me is if it takes months and months and then we end up with a loan on the last few days of the transfer window. That isn't it taking time, that suggests waiting to see what becomes available, that is a risky game and is reliant on other teams plans rather than our own. Surely there are good players out of contract? Dundee signed Kamara for free.

There are but why would good players take the first offer they get? If I was in their position I would be hoping for a better offer from England.....

[WhileTheChief..]

Hearts’ squad was rank last season so they needed to bring in shed loads of new players.

I’d take our squad as it is today over everyone else’s in the league bar Celtic.

Anyone we do bring in will be of the quality to go straight into the first team, we don’t need loads of bodies for the sake of it.

[madhatter]

The dates we made big signings in recent seasons, would you be happy to wait if it means we bring in similar quality to the below?

Steven Whittaker 15/07/17
Marvin Bartley 17/07/15
Scott Allan 25/07/14
Vykintas Slivka 26/07/17
John McGinn 31/07/15
Anthony Stokes 02/08/17
Ofir Marciano 03/08/16
Liam Henderson 14/08/15
Brandon Barker 17/08/17
Dylan McGeough 21/08/15 & 01/09/14
Darren McGregor 25/08/15

Depends if we are still in Europe and how we do in the league. If Hearts sign 12 players and finish above us and we sign 5 and do poor, no I won't be happy. Quality is important but we are terribly short on quantity. Hearts new signings almost amount to how many senior players we have at the club at the moment, and I'd expect 3 of our senior players will be leaving (at least). Boyle injury = change of shape, Stevenson injury = youngster thrown in or change of shape. We have very little cover, if we had a injury crisis (as we have had in the past) we'd be very very short.

Waiting does not mean we are assured of quality. Deivydas Matulevicius was signed in mid-to-late July was he not? If waiting meant quality without any doubt, I'd be relaxed and super excited to see when #AnnounceMessi was trending. I hope we get quality in, Kamberi and Maclaren reunited would still mean 1 bad injury and Shaw is playing every week. Shaw looks a great prospect but ready to play every week, probably not yet. Same goes for Murray who I think will be leaving.

[J-C]

I'm sure Ronaldo, Messi etc. have been involved in tax evasion cases because they were trying to secure as much of their money so they can then give it to charity...

Everyone expected to give money to help with poverty apart from the filthy rich? Not sure the point you are trying to make. Rich people can have a greater effect on poverty, especially in numbers.

Put a cap on football players wages, Dundee FC can't even pay their workers minimum wage ffs. Capitalism is a bad thing if that happens.


Pretty sure the tax evasion was to do with image rights, it's a bit of a grey area.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Why has a transfer thread suddenly turned into a Celtic game discussion?

[Stuart93]

Why has a transfer thread suddenly turned into a Celtic game discussion?

Because there's nothing to talk about I'm guessing

[HibbyKeith]

Don't think that is the case this season.

https://talksport.com/football/356634/uefa-scrap-cup-tied-rule-and-confirm-extra-sub-allowed-champions-league-and-europa-league/

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Think this is quite a sensible approach.

Likewise. You’d think a PR drive to encourage further ticket sales would be a good way to increase the budget! 💡

[CapitalGreen]

Why has a transfer thread suddenly turned into a Celtic game discussion?

Alright mate. Who is Aima Skaatman?

[Bostonhibby]

Right. Let’s get rid of George Craig, Lennon, Parker and Dempster and appoint Calumhibee1 to sort everything out. [emoji23]I'd go for whoever gets the container off the ship for the poppy thieves. Worked well last time.

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[J-C]

Alright mate. Who is Aima Skaatman?


:top marks:faf:

[MagicSwirlingShip]

The dates we made big signings in recent seasons, would you be happy to wait if it means we bring in similar quality to the below?

Steven Whittaker 15/07/17
Marvin Bartley 17/07/15
Scott Allan 25/07/14
Vykintas Slivka 26/07/17
John McGinn 31/07/15
Anthony Stokes 02/08/17
Ofir Marciano 03/08/16
Liam Henderson 14/08/15
Brandon Barker 17/08/17
Dylan McGeough 21/08/15 & 01/09/14
Darren McGregor 25/08/15

Thanks for posting this. Makes interesting reading

[CapitalGreen]

The Jack Ross Sunderland revolution losing 1-0 in their first game to Darlington from the Conference North (6th tier).

Dylan on the bench.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Alright mate. Who is Aima Skaatman?

Haha

[Silky]

Alright mate. Who is Aima Skaatman?

Swedish winger. Plays for Fc SkiBaBop BaDopBop

[HoboHarry]

Alright mate. Who is Aima Skaatman?

Roh Roh.....

[Aldo]

Alright mate. Who is Aima Skaatman?

[emoji85]


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[IanM]

Alright mate. Who is Aima Skaatman?

Hahahaha did Hibs transfer news post this?

[Smartie]

Can't believe he didn't get a free-kick for that.

[J-C]

Can't believe he didn't get a free-kick for that.


Wrong thread mate haha

[hfc rd]

Can't believe he didn't get a free-kick for that.


Is he John McGinn’s replacement? 😂

[Smartie]

Can't believe he didn't get a free-kick for that.


Wrong thread mate haha


Is he John McGinn’s replacement? ��

196 pages of irrelevant pish and I get pulled up for that straight away?

:wink:

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Alright mate. Who is Aima Skaatman?

?

[CapitalGreen]

?

Do you have a question?

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Do you have a question?

If I had a question, I’d have asked one :aok:

[The_Horde]

If I had a question, I’d have asked one :aok:

Someone's ratty today..

[degenerated]

The real Lads (from Macc) are playing the Liquid Rooms on 16th November [emoji6]Beer, beer we want more beer [emoji106]

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[calumhibee1]

Right. Let’s get rid of George Craig, Lennon, Parker and Dempster and appoint Calumhibee1 to sort everything out. 😂

Emm... what? At least you’ve acknowledged we’ve stuff to sort out. Makes a change from people making out like we’re nearly there when we’re miles off.

[calumhibee1]

The dates we made big signings in recent seasons, would you be happy to wait if it means we bring in similar quality to the below?

Steven Whittaker 15/07/17
Marvin Bartley 17/07/15
Scott Allan 25/07/14
Vykintas Slivka 26/07/17
John McGinn 31/07/15
Anthony Stokes 02/08/17
Ofir Marciano 03/08/16
Liam Henderson 14/08/15
Brandon Barker 17/08/17
Dylan McGeough 21/08/15 & 01/09/14
Darren McGregor 25/08/15

Problem is we need about 5 players of that quality to get to where we were last season. Waiting till late August for that amount of players could see us out of Europe and already playing catch up in the league because the team that started on Sunday is bottom 6 material. Not to mention that even when they’re in they’ll have to gel fast seeing as the season will be well underway.

[The Leith Dutch]

Why has a transfer thread suddenly turned into a Celtic game discussion?

That's a little harsh.
There's plenty performance bed-wetting on the thread too.

[The Leith Dutch]

Emm... what? At least you’ve acknowledged we’ve stuff to sort out. Makes a change from people making out like we’re nearly there when we’re miles off.

If you think we're miles off - how many players do you think we'll be signing?
I reckon we're getting Allan, another striker that will play ahead of Murray and a winger.

Much more than that and I'd be surprised.
To me that's not miles off.

[Hermit Crab]

The Jack Ross Sunderland revolution losing 1-0 in their first game to Darlington from the Conference North (6th tier).

Dylan on the bench.


Motherwell beat them 1-5 at Darlington on Saturday.

[CapitalGreen]

Problem is we need about 5 players of that quality to get to where we were last season. Waiting till late August for that amount of players could see us out of Europe and already playing catch up in the league because the team that started on Sunday is bottom 6 material. Not to mention that even when they’re in they’ll have to gel fast seeing as the season will be well underway.

By the same token getting players in now doesn’t guarantee us progress in Europe or a better league position, particularly if we are are compromising on quality to get players in earlier.

Remember these guys are coming in on 3/4 year deals so if they are good they’ll benefit us for a number of seasons and may generate us significant transfer fees in the future.

[Hermit Crab]

Someone's ratty today..


Scatty. :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

Motherwell beat them 1-5 at Darlington on Saturday.

Will be interesting to see how Sunderland fare against St Mirren next week, wouldn’t look great for the new gaffer if he’s beaten by the club he’s just left.

[calumhibee1]

If you think we're miles off - how many players do you think we'll be signing?
I reckon we're getting Allan, another striker that will play ahead of Murray and a winger.

Much more than that and I'd be surprised.
To me that's not miles off.

If we got Allan, a striker to play ahead of Murray (but presumably not ahead of Shaw as you didn’t mention him) and a winger then we’ll be unlikely to get top 6 IMO. Which to me is absolutely miles off where we want/should be

[calumhibee1]

By the same token getting players in now doesn’t guarantee us progress in Europe or a better league position, particularly if we are are compromising on quality to get players in earlier.

Remember these guys are coming in on 3/4 year deals so if they are good they’ll benefit us for a number of seasons and may generate us significant transfer fees in the future.

That’s true, but if we get off to a slow start this season (which this squad would IMO) then we could be struggling to make up the ground with what will be a poorer squad this season (inevitable with the midfield we’ve lost/will most likely lose). That would undo a lot of the good work from last season.

[The Leith Dutch]

If we got Allan, a striker to play ahead of Murray (but presumably not ahead of Shaw as you didn’t mention him) and a winger then we’ll be unlikely to get top 6 IMO.

Striker would be McLaren's replacement - pick who you like as back up.
Assuming the striker and winger are of a similar level to McLaren/Barker I'd expect that team to be top 6.

So again - how many players are you expecting us to sign?

[calumhibee1]

Striker would be McLaren's replacement - pick who you like as back up.
Assuming the striker and winger are of a similar level to McLaren/Barker I'd expect that team to be top 6.

So again - how many players are you expecting us to sign?

Presuming McGinn goes id say we need:

Maclaren or someone of his standard to partner Kamberi. Neither Shaw or Murray should be starting very often if we’re to challenge for 2nd.

Presuming McGinn goes then we need replacements for him and Dylan. Scott Allan isn’t a replacement for either of them IMO.

Allan because he was the biggest part of what made us what we were last half of the season.

A replacement for Barker. We need another real quality wide man as currently all we have is Boyle. Would love Barker back but if not then again it needs to be someone of a similar level of ability. Possibly Morgan from Celtic? (although I’m basing that on other people’s rave reviews of him as I know little about him).

So to me we need 5 players. And that’s keeping in mind that the 2 CMs will most likely not be as good as SJM and DMc, so the 5 would probably still leave us weaker than last season. If we only got 3 signings as you’ve listed then we’ll be looking at having 2 proper centre midfielders in Bartley and Slivka and 3 numbed 10s in Mallan, Allan and Swanson who are only really suited to playing in the hole.

[madhatter]

If you think we're miles off - how many players do you think we'll be signing?
I reckon we're getting Allan, another striker that will play ahead of Murray and a winger.

Much more than that and I'd be surprised.
To me that's not miles off.

We need 2 strikers ideally, Murray I think will leave. We need a winger. We need 2 midfielders, Mallan is not same player as McGinn and Allan is not same as McGeouch, our midfield would be shocking and Bartley would be overrun defensively. Slivka hasn’t done enough yet to suggest the centre is for him, doesn’t influence games enough and isn’t strong in the tackle. Injuries in midfield would mean Scott Martin and Fraser Murray would need to play which is great for their careers but I don’t think would propel us up the league. Defence is similar, Stevenson has no cover unless we are using Mackie which is fine but again is unlikely to propel us to the top end of the league. I think we need minimum 5 more.

Think problem for most is we are seeing the core of the midfield getting ripped apart if McGinn goes, that’s arguably our two best players leaving in the same summer. We will probably see the biggest change in the squad and starting 11 in the past 3 years. We’ve been lucky to have the same core team for years. Seeing that change will worry many fans, I’m sure it’s worrying Lennon just now, he’ll want reinforcements in.

[Cletus]

Emm... what? At least you’ve acknowledged we’ve stuff to sort out. Makes a change from people making out like we’re nearly there when we’re miles off.

The window has 6 weeks left. We already have a strong squad. Yes, it needs some strengthening but I really don’t see the need for such panic. Chill out bud!!

[calumhibee1]

We need 2 strikers ideally, Murray I think will leave. We need a winger. We need 2 midfielders, Mallan is not same player as McGinn and Allan is not same as McGeouch, our midfield would be shocking and Bartley would be overrun defensively. Slivka hasn’t done enough yet to suggest the centre is for him, doesn’t influence games enough and isn’t strong in the tackle. Injuries in midfield would mean Scott Martin and Fraser Murray would need to play which is great for their careers but I don’t think would propel us up the league. Defence is similar, Stevenson has no cover unless we are using Mackie which is fine but again is unlikely to propel us to the top end of the league. I think we need minimum 5 more.

Think problem for most is we are seeing the core of the midfield getting ripped apart if McGinn goes, that’s arguably our two best players leaving in the same summer. We will probably see the biggest change in the squad and starting 11 in the past 3 years. We’ve been lucky to have the same core team for years. Seeing that change will worry many fans, I’m sure it’s worrying Lennon just now, he’ll want reinforcements in.

Agree with all that. Slivka and Bartley are our only two out and out centre midfielders if SJM goes and neither have shown enough to suggest they should be starting for a top four side, probably not even enough to be starting for a top 6 side. If that’s what we go with next season and we also have no backup to them other than 3 players who play as number 10s and a converted aging fullback in Whittaker then we’ve no chance.

[calumhibee1]

The window has 6 weeks left. We already have a strong squad. Yes, it needs some strengthening but I really don’t see the need for such panic. Chill out bud!!

We don’t have a strong squad. We have a few really good players but we’ve got nothing like a strong squad as it stands IMO.

[tamig]

The window has 6 weeks left. We already have a strong squad. Yes, it needs some strengthening but I really don’t see the need for such panic. Chill out bud!!

People have been asking him to chill for a while. He’s been complaining about a lack of transfer activity for weeks now. Leave him be.

[Hibernian Verse]

Agree with all that. Slivka and Bartley are our only two out and out centre midfielders if SJM goes and neither have shown enough to suggest they should be starting for a top four side, probably not even enough to be starting for a top 6 side. If that’s what we go with next season and we also have no backup to them other than 3 players who play as number 10s and a converted aging fullback in Whittaker then we’ve no chance.Sorry but you're wrong about Slivka. He will play through the middle this year and if you can't already see his obvious quality then I'm sure you will in the Europa games. He will win you round!

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[Cletus]

We don’t have a strong squad. We have a few really good players but we’ve got nothing like a strong squad as it stands IMO.

I disagree. I think we’re starting from a good position. We need some good additions granted. Sometimes you have to be patient and often very good players become available later in the window. Of course we could be like Hearts (or ourselves not so long ago) and adopt a scattergun approach in the hope one or two might turn out to be decent. I personally prefer the measured approach. Finally, do you really think those running the club (people with far more knowledge than you or I) are unaware of what’s needed? I think they deserve more credit than you’re willing to give. Again, chill out and leave it to those who know.

[Thecat23]

We don’t have a strong squad. We have a few really good players but we’ve got nothing like a strong squad as it stands IMO.

We only need I think 3 more players in.

[madhatter]

Agree with all that. Slivka and Bartley are our only two out and out centre midfielders if SJM goes and neither have shown enough to suggest they should be starting for a top four side, probably not even enough to be starting for a top 6 side. If that’s what we go with next season and we also have no backup to them other than 3 players who play as number 10s and a converted aging fullback in Whittaker then we’ve no chance.

Slivka and Bartley are good but what I remember is Fyvie filling in when Dylan was injured a couple years back, I remember people going mental in the stands because he didn’t have the same influence and impact on a lot of games.

For me the same goes for Slivka and Bartley, good players and certainly reliable but they are not McGeouch and they are not McGinn.

How many of our goals were built up via some influence by McGeouch or McGinn? A fair few I’d say, might not be the final assist but the cross field pass or through ball before a cross etc. came from them very often. Takes someone to get the ball to Allan as well. Unless we’re planning on leaving gaping holes in midfield, we’ve got some work to do. We don’t know with certainty Allan is coming either even though we talk as if he is here. McGinn may not be leaving either but I think club will want cash.

[Hermit Crab]

Will be interesting to see how Sunderland fare against St Mirren next week, wouldn’t look great for the new gaffer if he’s beaten by the club he’s just left.


Every chance they will lose. They might not even get promotion first time of asking!

[calumhibee1]

People have been asking him to chill for a while. He’s been complaining about a lack of transfer activity for weeks now. Leave him be.

Yawn. The board would be an awful boring place if we were all slapping each others backs and complementing each other on how chilled we are while telling each other that Slivka and Bartley is all we're going to need at centre midfield for the season.

[calumhibee1]

Sorry but you're wrong about Slivka. He will play through the middle this year and if you can't already see his obvious quality then I'm sure you will in the Europa games. He will win you round!

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I hope I'm wrong about Slivka but I don't see how anyone can be certain of that based on his performances last season. He wasn't poor, he was just very average IMO.

[madhatter]

Sorry but you're wrong about Slivka. He will play through the middle this year and if you can't already see his obvious quality then I'm sure you will in the Europa games. He will win you round!

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He has quality but seems very hurried and clumsy for some reason, almost looks like he is panicking when on the ball. Not sure if he is trying too hard. Almost looks like he is going to fall over the ball sometimes.

Definitely needs to relax on the ball a bit more and just make sure he is protecting it to give himself a bit of time rather than hurrying touches and passes.

[calumhibee1]

I disagree. I think we’re starting from a good position. We need some good additions granted. Sometimes you have to be patient and often very good players become available later in the window. Of course we could be like Hearts (or ourselves not so long ago) and adopt a scattergun approach in the hope one or two might turn out to be decent. I personally prefer the measured approach. Finally, do you really think those running the club (people with far more knowledge than you or I) are unaware of what’s needed? I think they deserve more credit than you’re willing to give. Again, chill out and leave it to those who know.

I don't think they're unaware of what's needed, but I think they're struggling to get what's needed in. People keep saying about how quality becomes available late in the window and in some cases that may be true, but it's not exclusively only available at the end of the window.

[Hibernian Verse]

I hope I'm wrong about Slivka but I don't see how anyone can be certain of that based on his performances last season. He wasn't poor, he was just very average IMO.His goal against Rangers and how he ran the midfield wasn't average. His performance off the bench and subsequent goal against Celtic wasn't either. Lennon played him down the right wing. If you play Pogba there you won't get the best out him either.

I don't want to come across rude but can you lighten up a bit. Between this thread and the Lennon thread, .net is becoming brutal to read.

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[Hibbyradge]

We don’t have a strong squad. We have a few really good players but we’ve got nothing like a strong squad as it stands IMO.

We don't have McLaren.

Has anything else weakened us?

[sambajustice]

The dates we made big signings in recent seasons, would you be happy to wait if it means we bring in similar quality to the below?

Steven Whittaker 15/07/17
Marvin Bartley 17/07/15
Scott Allan 25/07/14
Vykintas Slivka 26/07/17
John McGinn 31/07/15
Anthony Stokes 02/08/17
Ofir Marciano 03/08/16
Liam Henderson 14/08/15
Brandon Barker 17/08/17
Dylan McGeough 21/08/15 & 01/09/14
Darren McGregor 25/08/15


Must be some sort of algorithm we can work out!!

Crack this code and we can work out who we're going to sign and when then we can all calm down!!!

[calumhibee1]

We only need I think 3 more players in.

If the 3 were of absolutely outstanding quality (say Jamie Mac, Kamara and Barker) then we could possibly just about get by. But even then, I think we'd struggle if that's all we get in.

[Hibernian Verse]

He has quality but seems very hurried and clumsy for some reason, almost looks like he is panicking when on the ball. Not sure if he is trying too hard. Almost looks like he is going to fall over the ball sometimes.

Definitely needs to relax on the ball a bit more and just make sure he is protecting it to give himself a bit of time rather than hurrying touches and passes.Yeah I can see that. I think it's his style, I don't get the impression he is rushing in his head but he does appear quite jittery sometimes.

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[Heisenberg]

I’d take a guess that our next main target is MacLaren, which won’t be an easy deal to do. Horgan is another that seems to be on the list but Preston want to give him a chance in pre season. Then of course we don’t have a clue what’s going to happen with McGinn.

Plenty time left.

[tamig]

Yawn. The board would be an awful boring place if we were all slapping each others backs and complementing each other on how chilled we are while telling each other that Slivka and Bartley is all we're going to need at centre midfield for the season.

I said that? You’re making up tales now. I trust the club to do the right thing. I don’t greet about the fact we haven’t signed half a new team yet. Slivka will be a big player for us this season.

[Cletus]

I don't think they're unaware of what's needed, but I think they're struggling to get what's needed in. People keep saying about how quality becomes available late in the window and in some cases that may be true, but it's not exclusively only available at the end of the window.

Yup but it’s not always as straightforward as some would like to think. There are multiple variables at play. Work is going on every hour of every day and has been for months. There’s 6 weeks left. Keep your angst for a few weeks into the season if we’re doing terribly and we’ve not procured anyone. Seems a waste of energy to be getting so het up at this stage imho...

[Thecat23]

If the 3 were of absolutely outstanding quality (say Jamie Mac, Kamara and Barker) then we could possibly just about get by. But even then, I think we'd struggle if that's all we get in.

Maclaren and Allan will be here. Still plenty time though to get the right players in. We shouldn’t rush to get anyone and good players have options it’s about selling the club while also finding others in case they don’t come.

Some think it’s piss easy bringing in quality players when it’s far from that. Hibs are strong enough to win on Thursdays we can then get couple more in and then hopefully another 1 or 2 by end of the window.

[madhatter]

We don't have McLaren.

Has anything else weakened us?

Dylan
McGinn?

If McGinn leaves this window, we are 100% weaker than last season. 2 best players gone and 1 proven goal scorer missing from the squad we finished last season on.

League is priority but I remember the time last season where we had Stokes and Murray not performing and that was a very dire patch. I’d rather quality but if we only sign 3 players more that shows club are expecting to get booted out of Europe quickly. Our squad cannot manage Europe, Cups and the League. We had terrible fatigue the year we won the cup, imagine a mini Europe run added to that!

[tamig]

Maclaren and Allan will be here. Still plenty time though to get the right players in. We shouldn’t rush to get anyone and good players have options it’s about selling the club while also finding others in case they don’t come.

Some think it’s piss easy bringing in quality players when it’s far from that. Hibs are strong enough to win on Thursdays we can then get couple more in and then hopefully another 1 or 2 by end of the window.

No quick enough TC. We’ll be doomed by then 😟

[calumhibee1]

His goal against Rangers and how he ran the midfield wasn't average. His performance off the bench and subsequent goal against Celtic wasn't either. Lennon played him down the right wing. If you play Pogba there you won't get the best out him either.

I don't want to come across rude but can you lighten up a bit. Between this thread and the Lennon thread, .net is becoming brutal to read.

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He wasn't average against Rangers or Celtic, you're right. He also wasn't absolutely outstanding though and against Celtic he was only on the pitch for 20 minutes, although he obviously had a big impact on the game. But on the whole I'd say his contribution last season would have to be given a 5 or 6 out of 10 and I struggle to believe anyone could say truthfully he contributed more than that.

No offence taken mate but I'm not going to stop posting my thoughts because they don't go along with the Hibs.net clique narrative of "chill out, we've near enough got a squad capable of second place" because IMO we don't.

[Cletus]

I give up.

[calumhibee1]

I said that? You’re making up tales now. I trust the club to do the right thing. I don’t greet about the fact we haven’t signed half a new team yet. Slivka will be a big player for us this season.

The bit in bold, you know this how? :confused: He was very average last season. Quite where he's shown he's going to be a big player for us is beyond me. I hope he is, but there's no evidence from him yet to show that.

Throwing around total guesswork statements as if they're facts doesn't make you some sort of superior poster like you try and come across.

[calumhibee1]

We don't have McLaren.

Has anything else weakened us?


:confused:

Only the losses of Dylan, Allan, Barker and most likely McGinn..

[Juniper Greens]

I think we probably need about 5 more players this window.

2 (or 3) that we get excited about

3 (or 2) that we shrug our shoulders and say "we were short in that area, in Lennon I trust"

We aren't in the position to sign 6 or 7 kamberis every window

[calumhibee1]

Maclaren and Allan will be here. Still plenty time though to get the right players in. We shouldn’t rush to get anyone and good players have options it’s about selling the club while also finding others in case they don’t come.

Some think it’s piss easy bringing in quality players when it’s far from that. Hibs are strong enough to win on Thursdays we can then get couple more in and then hopefully another 1 or 2 by end of the window.

I don't doubt it's difficult to bring in quality players. But the Hibs.net myth pushed by some posters seems to be that it's absolutely impossible to bring in quality players until the last week of the window when that's not simply not true.

[calumhibee1]

I think we probably need about 5 more players this window.

2 (or 3) that we get excited about

3 (or 2) that we shrug our shoulders and say "we were short in that area, in Lennon I trust"

We aren't in the position to sign 6 or 7 kamberis every window

I agree with that. We definitely need at least three of real quality IMO, one of them a traditional CM, one of them a striker and the other one either a winger or Allan. Two more players who are solid (at least one of them another CM) and we'd be starting to get to where we should be.

[Heisenberg]

I don't doubt it's difficult to bring in quality players. But the Hibs.net myth pushed by some posters seems to be that it's absolutely impossible to bring in quality players until the last week of the window when that's not simply not true.

Who has said that? The window closes at the end of August. It’s only the 10th of July. That’s more than enough time to get good players in. As previously posted, we’ve made plenty signings past this time of the year before.

[calumhibee1]

Who has said that? The window closes at the end of August. It’s only the 10th of July. That’s more than enough time to get good players in. As previously posted, we’ve made plenty signings past this time of the year before.

And our season starts in 2 days. Of course we've got plenty time to get players in, I've never disputed that. The problem is that if they come in at the end of August then I think it's safe to say we'll be out of Europe with this squad and we'll also be 3 fairly difficult league games into the season (Motherwell at home potentially coming a couple of days after an away European game).

We make such a big deal out of getting European football but if we go in with anything like the squad we've got just now, especially against the Greek team, then they'd be aswell being pre-season friendlies.

[WhileTheChief..]

:confused:

Only the losses of Dylan, Allan, Barker and most likely McGinn..

We brought in Mallan, Allan and McLaren will sign soon enough and McGinn is equally as likely to stay the season.

So we need to sign someone to replace Barker and it’s job done!

[B.H.F.C]

Who has said that? The window closes at the end of August. It’s only the 10th of July. That’s more than enough time to get good players in. As previously posted, we’ve made plenty signings past this time of the year before.

The difference this season is the quality we’ve lost from the end of last season. For me, that’s what is worrying people more than the lack of signings.

We’re about to kick off the season minus McGeough, McLaren, Allan and Barker from our last competitive game. Normal circumstances, you don’t lose that amount of quality at once.

[Cletus]

The bit in bold, you know this how? :confused: He was very average last season. Quite where he's shown he's going to be a big player for us is beyond me. I hope he is, but there's no evidence from him yet to show that.

Throwing around total guesswork statements as if they're facts doesn't make you some sort of superior poster like you try and come across.

You’re throwing around total guesswork statements (like a superior poster)!!! too ie that we’ll finish bottom 6. If you’re going to hold others to a standard you’d be best advised to reach it yourself.

[calumhibee1]

We brought in Mallan, Allan and McLaren will sign soon enough and McGinn is equally as likely to stay the season.

So we need to sign someone to replace Barker and it’s job done!

I’d suggest it’s wishful thinking that McGinn is equally as likely to stay as he is to go :greengrin

[O'Rourke3]

Dylan
McGinn?

If McGinn leaves this window, we are 100% weaker than last season. 2 best players gone and 1 proven goal scorer missing from the squad we finished last season on.

League is priority but I remember the time last season where we had Stokes and Murray not performing and that was a very dire patch. I’d rather quality but if we only sign 3 players more that shows club are expecting to get booted out of Europe quickly. Our squad cannot manage Europe, Cups and the League. We had terrible fatigue the year we won the cup, imagine a mini Europe run added to that!100%? 100%? Why not 1000000 times weaker. So last season subtracting Dylan and McGinn we had 0%. Really. Dearie dearie me.

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[madhatter]

Who has said that? The window closes at the end of August. It’s only the 10th of July. That’s more than enough time to get good players in. As previously posted, we’ve made plenty signings past this time of the year before.

But as can also be proven, some of our signings later on in the window have not been of quality. Matulevicious being an example, signed mid to late July if I remember. Time doesn’t mean club get it right, there isn’t a direct correlation. Plenty time but not best prepared for taking a good pop at Europa as I’m sure Lennon wants to do. Not too concerned about start of season, think we will be good enough by then (hopefully).

If McGinn situation drags on until start of August and then he leaves and we struggle to find a replacement before the window shuts, then I’ll be frustrated. I’m worried that that situation will drag on a fair bit, that will only hamper our preparations, no offence to McGinn, but a delay to him moving to Celtic will have no affect on their season preparations. They’ve got a full backup 11 already, without playing youngsters.

[calumhibee1]

You’re throwing around total guesswork statements (like a superior poster)!!! too ie that we’ll finish bottom 6. If you’re going to hold others to a standard you’d be best advised to reach it yourself.

I said we’ll finish bottom 6 in my opinion if our midfield consists of Slivka and Bartley. That’s based on a year of watching Slivka and 3 of watching Bartley. Bit different from just declaring that Slivka is going to be a big player this season (or whatever the statement was) while all the evidence he’s giving us so far would suggest otherwise.

[Cletus]

I said we’ll finish bottom 6 in my opinion if our midfield consists of Slivka and Bartley. That’s based on a year of watching Slivka and 3 of watching Bartley. Bit different from just declaring that Slivka is going to be a huge player this season (or whatever the statement was) while all the evidence he’s giving us so far would suggest otherwise.

The guy said he thinks Slivka will be a big player.
You said you think we’ll finish bottom 6.
You then accused him of thinking he’s a superior poster for having an opinion.
Out of interest, what’s the difference??

[Kato]

Out of interest, what’s the difference??

The amount of importance people place in their opinion.

[calumhibee1]

The guy said he thinks Slivka will be a big player.
You said you think we’ll finish bottom 6.
You then accused him of thinking he’s a superior poster for having an opinion.
Out of interest, what’s the difference??

He said he will be a big player. Not that he thinks, he will. It’s posted in a “I’m telling you he’ll be a big player so what you worried for” way.

[madhatter]

100%? 100%? Why not 1000000 times weaker. So last season subtracting Dylan and McGinn we had 0%. Really. Dearie dearie me.

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I was merely trying to emphasise the loss of McGeouch and McGinn, people that think we have solid enough squad to achieve the same as last season, as it is, don’t seem to be fully appreciating what they both gave to our squad last season. Even with signings we’ll struggle to replicate what we had. That’s 100000000% the truth, players have all been saying similar in interviews, Lennon said similar at the end of the last season.

If signing players is a lengthy process and we all admit we will struggle to get same quality as McGinn and McGeouch, what’s so bizarre about people being concerned? We have to watch whatever the club manage to put together, Kamberi and Maclaren vs Stokes and Murray was a brilliant change and made the football much better to watch.

[Unseen work]

I hope I'm wrong about Slivka but I don't see how anyone can be certain of that based on his performances last season. He wasn't poor, he was just very average IMO.

100% agree with this.

I think a lot of people give him more credit than he deserves because he played for Juventus, most game I have saw he plays it very simple and doesn’t influence the match much.

I doubt they would have been so enthusiastic if he was Scottish and came from say Partick Thistle.

He obviously has ability and Lennon trusts him, but I’m not pinning all my hopes on him like some.

[Kavinho]

100%? 100%? Why not 1000000 times weaker. So last season subtracting Dylan and McGinn we had 0%. Really. Dearie dearie me.

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Bit OTT no?

As it stands we are weaker without Dylan & Allan.
& yes we have Mallan, and yes we may lose SJM.

[Cletus]

He said he will be a big player. Not that he thinks, he will. It’s posted in a “I’m telling you he’ll be a big player so what you worried for” way.

If that’s how you perceive it. Anyway, you’ve won me over with your negativity. We’ll be bottom 6, out of Europe at the first hurdle and Slivka will be rubbish.

[O'Rourke3]

Bit OTT no?

As it stands we are weaker without Dylan & Allan.
& yes we have Mallan, and yes we may lose SJM.So you agree we are 100% (that means everything) weaker?

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[calumhibee1]

If that’s how you perceive it. Anyway, you’ve won me over with your negativity. We’ll be bottom 6, out of Europe at the first hurdle and Slivka will be rubbish.

Good, I’m glad your head is out of the clouds.

[007]

Maclaren and Allan will be here. Still plenty time though to get the right players in. We shouldn’t rush to get anyone and good players have options it’s about selling the club while also finding others in case they don’t come.

Some think it’s piss easy bringing in quality players when it’s far from that. Hibs are strong enough to win on Thursdays we can then get couple more in and then hopefully another 1 or 2 by end of the window.

How confident are you TC, in percentage terms, we'll get Maclaren and is it dependent on us getting cash in 1st from selling McGinn?

[tamig]

The bit in bold, you know this how? :confused: He was very average last season. Quite where he's shown he's going to be a big player for us is beyond me. I hope he is, but there's no evidence from him yet to show that.

Throwing around total guesswork statements as if they're facts doesn't make you some sort of superior poster like you try and come across.
When Slivka was played last season he was generally played out of position. With DM and potentially SJM gone he’ll play centrally. Its not rocket science. I think a few posters share the same view. Saying people are slapping each others backs at the prospect of a midfield based on Slivka and Marv is throwing guesswork statements around. I haven’t seen one post indicating that. Like I said earlier, you appear to be making up tales. Enjoy wallowing in your sorrow. Meanwhile I’ll wait for the next signings being announced 👍

[Kavinho]

So you agree we are 100% (that means everything) weaker?

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Semantics
And hardly worth the conversation.

[calumhibee1]

So you agree we are 100% (that means everything) weaker?

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I think it’s quite clear the guy meant we are definitely weaker. 100% as in 100% definite about that. He clearly wasn’t attempting to work out percentages of the decrease in quality of our squad.

[DetroitHibs]

Record season ticket sales and the sale of McGinn should give Lennon about 3 million to invest in the squad. There's no reason that Lennon shouldn't get every penny to invest in the squad. Also have to imagine with no Dylan, SJM and Stokes on the payroll, there should be plenty space in the wage budget.

[Stuart93]

Jeez some people would just be better throwing their ST away and not bothering with football if it gets them down so much.

[Unseen work]

So you agree we are 100% (that means everything) weaker?

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I don’t see why people are being wide about the 100% comment.

It was said by the poster as in we are absolutely weaker which we are.

Saying that we are now 0% is cringey and childish.

[madhatter]

If that’s how you perceive it. Anyway, you’ve won me over with your negativity. We’ll be bottom 6, out of Europe at the first hurdle and Slivka will be rubbish.

Concern is negativity, you are correct on that but don’t think anybody has made an attempt to win you over - nobody has said we’ll definitely be out of Europe and Slivka will be rubbish. Positivity can equally be mocked in this way, we’ll finish first, win the Europa league and Slivka will score 40 goals.

Maybe meet somewhere in the middle rather than perceive everyone’s stance as some sort of end to a spectrum? Super negative or super positive.

Concerns come from bedwetters before the concern materialises. If the concern does come to fruition the bedwetters will have foresight and the doubters will look silly. Then we’ll have infighting again over who was right and wrong. Why not bypass all these stages and just not entertain this paradigm?

[The_Horde]

Any chance you could make a seperate thread about this?

Thanks in advance.

[calumhibee1]

When Slivka was played last season he was generally played out of position. With DM and potentially SJM gone he’ll play centrally. Its not rocket science. I think a few posters share the same view. Saying people are slapping each others backs at the prospect of a midfield based on Slivka and Marv is throwing guesswork statements around. I haven’t seen one post indicating that. Like I said earlier, you appear to be making up tales. Enjoy wallowing in your sorrow. Meanwhile I’ll wait for the next signings being announced 👍

We’ll agree to disagree. I’m not writing off Slivka, but whether he was played out of position or not last season there was generally little to get particularly excited about other than a start at Ibrox and 20 mins against Celtic. Even his technique at times looks questionable IMO.

[Johnny_Leith]

Record season ticket sales and the sale of McGinn should give Lennon about 3 million to invest in the squad. There's no reason that Lennon shouldn't get every penny to invest in the squad. Also have to imagine with no Dylan, SJM and Stokes on the payroll, there should be plenty space in the wage budget.

I think there's a bit of cash earmarked for construction at East mains.

I'm not sure if that's been ringfenced already, if it's coming out of mcginns transfer income.

But I'd think Lennon will get a large chunk to improve the squad, but maybe not all of it. Plus we get around €200,000 every European round we navigate, which is hopefully a few!

[Cletus]

Concern is negativity, you are correct on that but don’t think anybody has made an attempt to win you over - nobody has said we’ll definitely be out of Europe and Slivka will be rubbish. Positivity can equally be mocked in this way, we’ll finish first, win the Europa league and Slivka will score 40 goals.

Maybe meet somewhere in the middle rather than perceive everyone’s stance as some sort of end to a spectrum? Super negative or super positive.

Concerns come from bedwetters before the concern materialises. If the concern does come to fruition the bedwetters will have foresight and the doubters will look silly. Then we’ll have infighting again over who was right and wrong. Why not bypass all these stages and just not entertain this paradigm?

The point I’ve tried to make throughout is that it’s far too early to be getting so carried away. Be negative if there’s stuff to be negative about. Where we differ is that I don’t think there is reason at this time.

[J-C]

We have Mallan who is a very skilful midfielder.
Bartley who is very average skill wise but knows how to get stuck in, if stuck in is all you need, the only thing Bartley did on Sunday was 2 solid challenges and a shoulder charge on the Blackburn RB, looked like he had some beef with the guy for some reason.
Slivka is a very decent player and very intelligent, decent strength and can chip in with goals.
Swanson missed his chance to shine against Blackburn, he was anonymous on sunday, I don't think he's our answer.
F Murray should be loaned out to gain experience.
Martin looked good on sunday, couple of good challenges and was constantly looking for the ball, he has confidence but will he take the next step, it's his final chance this year.

We need 2 in midfielders, we're not going to get like for like for McGinn and McGeouch, Allan would be one but his recent comments about enjoying life at Celtic is a bit confusing, time for Craig and his scouts to do their magic and get the players needed.

[calumhibee1]

The point I’ve tried to make throughout is that it’s far too early to be getting so carried away. Be negative if there’s stuff to be negative about. Where we differ is that I don’t think there is reason at this time.

Out of interest, when does it finally become time to be worried? I see posts all the time saying it’s way too early to be worried but we’re 2 days away from our season starting. I get the impression that people on here would only admit to being worried once issues have already arisen.

[Eyrie]

I said we’ll finish bottom 6 in my opinion if our midfield consists of Slivka and Bartley. That’s based on a year of watching Slivka and 3 of watching Bartley. Bit different from just declaring that Slivka is going to be a big player this season (or whatever the statement was) while all the evidence he’s giving us so far would suggest otherwise.

For us to finish bottom six, then six clubs would need to finish ahead of us.

Celtc, Sevco and Aberdeen probably will but who are the other three clubs that have brought in sufficient quality to close the gap on us from last year?

[calumhibee1]

For us to finish bottom six, then six clubs would need to finish ahead of us.

Celtc, Sevco and Aberdeen probably will but who are the other three clubs that have brought in sufficient quality to close the gap on us from last year?

With Clarke still there I would fancy Killie to finish above us comfortably if that was our midfield. And as much as I don’t like saying it I would think Hearts will pick up enough points at home to be in the top 6 again. Motherwell will be in and around Hearts aswell I would assume.

If we can sign quality to replace DMc and SJM then I’m sure we’ll finish at least 5th. But if we were to go out and sign Allan, a winger and Jamie Mac and go with Slivka, Bartley, Whittaker and three number 10s in Swanson, Allan and Mallan as our midfield options then we’d struggle to impose ourselves on games I reckon.

[dmc1875]

We’ll agree to disagree. I’m not writing off Slivka, but whether he was played out of position or not last season there was generally little to get particularly excited about other than a start at Ibrox and 20 mins against Celtic. Even his technique at times looks questionable IMO.

Going to completely disagree with you with that last comment.

The reasons people have to get excited about Slivka is, even though he was used sparingly last season he showed:

- He has a good touch
- Good movement
- Can play out of position (as he was pretty much all the time) and do a job
- Has an eye for goal in a big game
- surprisingly Mobile and quick for a big guy
- he’s young
- he’s a full international and trustEd in his national team
- he is two footed

Quite a bit to be excited about really in my eyes

[Ronniekirk]

Out of interest, when does it finally become time to be worried? I see posts all the time saying it’s way too early to be worried but we’re 2 days away from our season starting. I get the impression that people on here would only admit to being worried once issues have already arisen.

I think a lot of posters like me are confident we will progress into the next round of Europe with the players currently at our disposal
We are then confident there will be more Quality signings before the next aeroplane tie which will be more difficult to negotiate
Should we loose McGinn and sign no one before we play the Greek team , I would start to worry but that won't be the case
However I would rather see the signings in early if possible so the team get to gell and Lennon and Staff can work on formation and tactics before the Greek game


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[Hibbyradge]

:confused:

Only the losses of Dylan, Allan, Barker and most likely McGinn..

We've got Mallam, McGinn is still here and Shaw will step up.

We're in good nick.

[madhatter]

Going to completely disagree with you with that last comment.

The reasons people have to get excited about Slivka is, even though he was used sparingly last season he showed:

- He has a good touch
- Good movement
- Can play out of position (as he was pretty much all the time) and do a job
- Has an eye for goal in a big game
- surprisingly Mobile and quick for a big guy
- he’s young
- he’s a full international and trustEd in his national team
- he is two footed

Quite a bit to be excited about really in my eyes

Credentials are good. Needs to deliver now, I’m hoping he can. What makes me wonder if he’ll make it is his clumsy style with the ball at his feet. Clearly has good feet and a good touch but he seems to take awkward touches and regularly has a body alignment as if he constantly wants to change direction but doesn’t, looks cumbersome and means he loses the ball a bit. I’ve put it down as he is trying too hard and thinking too much rather than just playing.
He’s bizarrely done his best work without the ball: run for the header against Celtic, bouncing ball that he hit on the volley against Rangers without thinking.

[SteveHFC]

Stokes to Shamrock Rovers.

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[mjhibby]

When Slivka was played last season he was generally played out of position. With DM and potentially SJM gone he’ll play centrally. Its not rocket science. I think a few posters share the same view. Saying people are slapping each others backs at the prospect of a midfield based on Slivka and Marv is throwing guesswork statements around. I haven’t seen one post indicating that. Like I said earlier, you appear to be making up tales. Enjoy wallowing in your sorrow. Meanwhile I’ll wait for the next signings being announced 👍

Surely if mcginn goes we have someone in mind to replace him. Yes at the moment we are weaker than the end of last season but we only really kicked on when we signed Allan, flo and Jamie mac at the end of the Jan transfer window. We have signed flo and will hopefully get Allan when sjm goes. So get a rwlacent for sjm in plus Jamie mac and we are only Dylan down from last season. I'm sure slivka can do the Dylan role but I'm fairly sure we will play a slightly different formation of sjm goes. It's impossible to. Predict how the likes of mallan will get on. Nobody would have predicted how the three jan signings did. Let's just wait and see before predictions of doom and gloom.

[Greenworld]

We only need I think 3 more players in.If it's three top class players yes if not I have concerns

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[calumhibee1]

I think a lot of posters like me are confident we will progress into the next round of Europe with the players currently at our disposal
We are then confident there will be more Quality signings before the next aeroplane tie which will be more difficult to negotiate
Should we loose McGinn and sign no one before we play the Greek team , I would start to worry but that won't be the case
However I would rather see the signings in early if possible so the team get to gell and Lennon and Staff can work on formation and tactics before the Greek game


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I think we will qualify against the team from the Faroes and hopefully it will be fairly comfortable but we only need to look West of Easter Road to see examples of two other Scottish teams who have probably thought the same in the last two years and have been embarrassed in Europe.

The problem now is, presuming we don’t have any new faces in today which looks unlikely, we’ve no friendlies before the game against the Greek team and I think any new signings would be ineligible for the second leg against the Faroes team. Would be a risk chucking new signings into a difficult European game when they’ve potentially never played with their teammates before. We play all season with qualifying for Europe being the main aim, it’s very frustrating that we look like competing in it with a much depleted squad from last season.

[calumhibee1]

We've got Mallam, McGinn is still here and Shaw will step up.

We're in good nick.

If that’s your opinion then you’re perfectly entitled to it. But IMO having to play Shaw upfront on top of having lost last seasons POTY Dylan, probably our best player from the last half of the season in Allan and only having one wide man at the club isn’t a great position to be in with competitive games starting tomorrow.

[Ronniekirk]

I think we will qualify against the team from the Faroes and hopefully it will be fairly comfortable but we only need to look West of Easter Road to see examples of two other Scottish teams who have probably thought the same in the last two years and have been embarrassed in Europe.

The problem now is, presuming we don’t have any new faces in today which looks unlikely, we’ve no friendlies before the game against the Greek team and I think any new signings would be ineligible for the second leg against the Faroes team. Would be a risk chucking new signings into a difficult European game when they’ve potentially never played with their teammates before. We play all season with qualifying for Europe being the main aim, it’s very frustrating that we look like competing in it with a much depleted squad from last season.

Didn't realise we don't have another friendly before the Greek game Haven't yet checked out the Greek Teams pedigree in the Competition but assume the Back toon team have and Lennon will push to have another few faces in the door. Before then if he thinks they are needed
Think Lennon was maybe over optimistic stating he was targeting the Group Stages given the players we were losing with no guarantee of getting Quality replacements or the same players back to the Club eg McLaren Allan Barker
You have to assume he was resigned to losing Dylan and McGinn
As things stand at present the Group Stages are beyond us and no matter how well we do versus the Faroe s Team we can assume the next opponents and the heat out in Greece will make that tie trickier
But we can only wait and see what happens



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[BSEJVT]

Yawn. The board would be an awful boring place if we were all slapping each others backs and complementing each other on how chilled we are while telling each other that Slivka and Bartley is all we're going to need at centre midfield for the season.

Yawn back

The board is made an equally boring place by folk rattling on about how we need folk in and now and loads of them.

Its panicking and look at me stuff

Do you trust the recruitment team to get it right?

Do you think they are actively working on bringing their targets to the club?

If they are then folk currently flapping need to let them get on with it and wait and see and the results

The guys we are signing we will have for years and years.

We have lived through the pain of signing dross we cant then get rid off and then huge bloated squads constraining who else we can sign.

We need to sign the right players and if it takes a bit longer so be it.

[Stuart93]

We've got Mallam, McGinn is still here and Shaw will step up.

We're in good nick.

We're in ok nick but still a lot weaker than we were at the end of last season

[calumhibee1]

Yawn back

The board is made an equally boring place by folk rattling on about how we need folk in and now and loads of them.

Its panicking and look at me stuff

Do you trust the recruitment team to get it right?

Do you think they are actively working on bringing their targets to the club?

If they are then folk currently flapping need to let them get on with it and wait and see and the results

The guys we are signing we will have for years and years.

We have lived through the pain of signing dross we cant then get rid off and then huge bloated squads constraining who else we can sign.

We need to sign the right players and if it takes a bit longer so be it.

It's panicking - well spotted Sherlock. We're significantly weaker than we were last season a day before competitive football starts, of course it's panicking to an extent. If it's "look at me stuff" then surely the same could be said for the cool as a cucumber brigade who are at the other end of the spectrum telling everyone how relaxed they are? Having a different opinion from yourself or others doesn't mean someone is attention seeking.

Do I trust the recruitment team to get it right? I do, but not before the European games start. Which is what we play 38 league games a season for seeing as we realistically can't win the league and it's the next best thing. It's also the only real opportunity for us to progress as a club financially, yet we're going into it with a depleted squad and the possibility of any new signings from this point having to make their debut in a difficult game against what will be a very decent Greek side (presuming we get through). Hardly ideal.

Do I think they're working on their targets? I've never said I didn't, they're not going to be working on guys that aren't their targets are they?

Let them get on with it? Aye cause they're sitting in their office at Easter Road bemoaning the fact that there's people suggesting we need to get a move on with signings and it's holding them back from doing their job. :rolleyes: My bad, I didn't realise anyone who wasn't a fully fledged happy clapper was hurting the clubs recruitment so much.

The guys we are signing we will have for years - There's rumours that Maclaren may be coming back, probably a more likely chance of that being a loan deal than permanent given the fees that have been quoted. Horgan from PNE is another rumoured to be coming in, again, on loan. Not quite signing guys for "years and years". The two guys we have signed for years and years are already here and we're still in need of a few very decent signings to get back to a good level. We'll be back in the same position next season, it's the nature of the beast when you're a team like Hibs. But if we're going to be looking at mid August to improve our squad every season then we can probably kiss goodbye to the notion of us being able to reach the group stages. Depleted Scottish clubs will find it nigh on impossible to get past 4 rounds of European football when they've lost players from the previous season having not yet replaced them.

[brog]

It's panicking - well spotted Sherlock. We're significantly weaker than we were last season a day before competitive football starts, of course it's panicking to an extent. If it's "look at me stuff" then surely the same could be said for the cool as a cucumber brigade who are at the other end of the spectrum telling everyone how relaxed they are? Having a different opinion from yourself or others doesn't mean someone is attention seeking.

Do I trust the recruitment team to get it right? I do, but not before the European games start. Which is what we play 38 league games a season for seeing as we realistically can't win the league and it's the next best thing. It's also the only real opportunity for us to progress as a club financially, yet we're going into it with a depleted squad and the possibility of any new signings from this point having to make their debut in a difficult game against what will be a very decent Greek side (presuming we get through). Hardly ideal.

Do I think they're working on their targets? I've never said I didn't, they're not going to be working on guys that aren't their targets are they?

Let them get on with it? Aye cause they're sitting in their office at Easter Road bemoaning the fact that there's people suggesting we need to get a move on with signings and it's holding them back from doing their job. :rolleyes: My bad, I didn't realise anyone who wasn't a fully fledged happy clapper was hurting the clubs recruitment so much.

The guys we are signing we will have for years - There's rumours that Maclaren may be coming back, probably a more likely chance of that being a loan deal than permanent given the fees that have been quoted. Horgan from PNE is another rumoured to be coming in, again, on loan. Not quite signing guys for "years and years". The two guys we have signed for years and years are already here and we're still in need of a few very decent signings to get back to a good level. We'll be back in the same position next season, it's the nature of the beast when you're a team like Hibs. But if we're going to be looking at mid August to improve our squad every season then we can probably kiss goodbye to the notion of us being able to reach the group stages. Depleted Scottish clubs will find it nigh on impossible to get past 4 rounds of European football when they've lost players from the previous season having not yet replaced them.

Do you never tire of repeating the same thing ad nauseam? Trust me, we've heard you.

[calumhibee1]

Do you never tire of repeating the same thing ad nauseam? Trust me, we've heard you.

I don’t really, no, thanks for asking. Glad you heard. If you’re bored of it then don’t read it, not rocket science.

[weecounty hibby]

With Clarke still there I would fancy Killie to finish above us comfortably if that was our midfield. And as much as I don’t like saying it I would think Hearts will pick up enough points at home to be in the top 6 again. Motherwell will be in and around Hearts aswell I would assume.

If we can sign quality to replace DMc and SJM then I’m sure we’ll finish at least 5th. But if we were to go out and sign Allan, a winger and Jamie Mac and go with Slivka, Bartley, Whittaker and three number 10s in Swanson, Allan and Mallan as our midfield options then we’d struggle to impose ourselves on games I reckon.
Kilmarnock will be a one season wonder, Boyd carried them last year and is another year older and slower. Who have Motherwell signed that will suddenly close a 20+ points gap, hearts? Who knows what they'll be like, signing container loads of unknown freebies may work but just as likely not to. We will get to the next round in Europe with the squad we have. That gives us more time for recruitment. Oh and I think Slivka will be a big player for us next season too. Based on what I have seen from him and not who we signed him from.

[TonyStokeprano]

It's panicking - well spotted Sherlock. We're significantly weaker than we were last season a day before competitive football starts, of course it's panicking to an extent. If it's "look at me stuff" then surely the same could be said for the cool as a cucumber brigade who are at the other end of the spectrum telling everyone how relaxed they are? Having a different opinion from yourself or others doesn't mean someone is attention seeking.

Do I trust the recruitment team to get it right? I do, but not before the European games start. Which is what we play 38 league games a season for seeing as we realistically can't win the league and it's the next best thing. It's also the only real opportunity for us to progress as a club financially, yet we're going into it with a depleted squad and the possibility of any new signings from this point having to make their debut in a difficult game against what will be a very decent Greek side (presuming we get through). Hardly ideal.

Do I think they're working on their targets? I've never said I didn't, they're not going to be working on guys that aren't their targets are they?

Let them get on with it? Aye cause they're sitting in their office at Easter Road bemoaning the fact that there's people suggesting we need to get a move on with signings and it's holding them back from doing their job. :rolleyes: My bad, I didn't realise anyone who wasn't a fully fledged happy clapper was hurting the clubs recruitment so much.

The guys we are signing we will have for years - There's rumours that Maclaren may be coming back, probably a more likely chance of that being a loan deal than permanent given the fees that have been quoted. Horgan from PNE is another rumoured to be coming in, again, on loan. Not quite signing guys for "years and years". The two guys we have signed for years and years are already here and we're still in need of a few very decent signings to get back to a good level. We'll be back in the same position next season, it's the nature of the beast when you're a team like Hibs. But if we're going to be looking at mid August to improve our squad every season then we can probably kiss goodbye to the notion of us being able to reach the group stages. Depleted Scottish clubs will find it nigh on impossible to get past 4 rounds of European football when they've lost players from the previous season having not yet replaced them.


Spot on mate !!

[DetroitHibs]

It's panicking - well spotted Sherlock. We're significantly weaker than we were last season a day before competitive football starts, of course it's panicking to an extent. If it's "look at me stuff" then surely the same could be said for the cool as a cucumber brigade who are at the other end of the spectrum telling everyone how relaxed they are? Having a different opinion from yourself or others doesn't mean someone is attention seeking.

Do I trust the recruitment team to get it right? I do, but not before the European games start. Which is what we play 38 league games a season for seeing as we realistically can't win the league and it's the next best thing. It's also the only real opportunity for us to progress as a club financially, yet we're going into it with a depleted squad and the possibility of any new signings from this point having to make their debut in a difficult game against what will be a very decent Greek side (presuming we get through). Hardly ideal.

Do I think they're working on their targets? I've never said I didn't, they're not going to be working on guys that aren't their targets are they?

Let them get on with it? Aye cause they're sitting in their office at Easter Road bemoaning the fact that there's people suggesting we need to get a move on with signings and it's holding them back from doing their job. :rolleyes: My bad, I didn't realise anyone who wasn't a fully fledged happy clapper was hurting the clubs recruitment so much.

The guys we are signing we will have for years - There's rumours that Maclaren may be coming back, probably a more likely chance of that being a loan deal than permanent given the fees that have been quoted. Horgan from PNE is another rumoured to be coming in, again, on loan. Not quite signing guys for "years and years". The two guys we have signed for years and years are already here and we're still in need of a few very decent signings to get back to a good level. We'll be back in the same position next season, it's the nature of the beast when you're a team like Hibs. But if we're going to be looking at mid August to improve our squad every season then we can probably kiss goodbye to the notion of us being able to reach the group stages. Depleted Scottish clubs will find it nigh on impossible to get past 4 rounds of European football when they've lost players from the previous season having not yet replaced them.

I agree with the European aspect. We basically wrote off Europe last time and went in to a tie without a recognized goalkeeper having let the number 1 and 2 goalkeepers leave. As it stands we are approaching two more European games weaker than we finished last year. It's absolutely crucial to have our targets and new faces brought in ASAP. Other leagues are behind us in preseason training and we need a fully fit squad for these big European games. Getting to the league stages would be MASSIVE for the club.

[blackpoolhibs]

He wasn't average against Rangers or Celtic, you're right. He also wasn't absolutely outstanding though and against Celtic he was only on the pitch for 20 minutes, although he obviously had a big impact on the game. But on the whole I'd say his contribution last season would have to be given a 5 or 6 out of 10 and I struggle to believe anyone could say truthfully he contributed more than that.

No offence taken mate but I'm not going to stop posting my thoughts because they don't go along with the Hibs.net clique narrative of "chill out, we've near enough got a squad capable of second place" because IMO we don't.

Not really sure why this 2nd place is now a must have target? How many times have Hibs finished 2nd in your time watching us?

We need to have a proper strategy of sustained growth, not what we've had in the past of boom bust. We need to bring in the right players, quality players who will help improve us year on year.

That is not easy to do, when we lose two of our best players we've seen in a long time. We could just go out and sign players like the gimps have signed, like we did in the lead up to our relegation.

Or we could sign players who we've targeted, and who are players we believe will improve us and take us forward towards competing for a European place EVERY season.

Our league position is our main target every season now, because we want sustained qualification to Europe, and to do this we must qualify much more than we've done in the past through our league position.

Having a stronger team fighting for a top 4 positions every season, will have an obvious effect when playing in Europe regularly.

We need to walk before we can run, and the draw we've been given this year, gives us a chance to progress to the next round, where we should have more of our targets in through the door.

Even if the unthinkable happened, and we lost to this team from the faroes, i would be upset, but it wouldnt take away from our main target, which is Europe every season and sustained growth.

The first thing we must do is qualify for Europe more regularly, and when this happens, then its progress in Europe, we need the first part before the 2nd.

[BSEJVT]

It's panicking - well spotted Sherlock. We're significantly weaker than we were last season a day before competitive football starts, of course it's panicking to an extent. If it's "look at me stuff" then surely the same could be said for the cool as a cucumber brigade who are at the other end of the spectrum telling everyone how relaxed they are? Having a different opinion from yourself or others doesn't mean someone is attention seeking.

Do I trust the recruitment team to get it right? I do, but not before the European games start. Which is what we play 38 league games a season for seeing as we realistically can't win the league and it's the next best thing. It's also the only real opportunity for us to progress as a club financially, yet we're going into it with a depleted squad and the possibility of any new signings from this point having to make their debut in a difficult game against what will be a very decent Greek side (presuming we get through). Hardly ideal.

Do I think they're working on their targets? I've never said I didn't, they're not going to be working on guys that aren't their targets are they?

Let them get on with it? Aye cause they're sitting in their office at Easter Road bemoaning the fact that there's people suggesting we need to get a move on with signings and it's holding them back from doing their job. :rolleyes: My bad, I didn't realise anyone who wasn't a fully fledged happy clapper was hurting the clubs recruitment so much.

The guys we are signing we will have for years - There's rumours that Maclaren may be coming back, probably a more likely chance of that being a loan deal than permanent given the fees that have been quoted. Horgan from PNE is another rumoured to be coming in, again, on loan. Not quite signing guys for "years and years". The two guys we have signed for years and years are already here and we're still in need of a few very decent signings to get back to a good level. We'll be back in the same position next season, it's the nature of the beast when you're a team like Hibs. But if we're going to be looking at mid August to improve our squad every season then we can probably kiss goodbye to the notion of us being able to reach the group stages. Depleted Scottish clubs will find it nigh on impossible to get past 4 rounds of European football when they've lost players from the previous season having not yet replaced them.

A bit touchy aren't we?

You are allowed carte blanche to say what you want but the minute someone disagrees you don't like it.

Fair enough

I will tell you what I really think then

Stop blubbering and greeting like a wee bairn and grow a ****ing set

Your incessant whining is doing my tits in

okay?

[calumhibee1]

A bit touchy aren't we?

You are allowed carte blanche to say what you want but the minute someone disagrees you don't like it.

Fair enough

I will tell you what I really think then

Stop blubbering and greeting like a wee bairn and grow a ****ing set

Your incessant whining is doing my tits in

okay?

Touchy? :confused: You asked me questions, I replied to them along with a few other points.

And I really couldn't care less if I was doing your tits in. I'll keep posting my views, if they "do your tits in" then that's your problem to deal with pal, not mine. Maybe it's you that needs to grow a set if someone posting their views on a forum is getting on your wick so much :aok:

[huggie1875]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqzEUEbTIv0

[calumhibee1]

Not really sure why this 2nd place is now a must have target? How many times have Hibs finished 2nd in your time watching us?

We need to have a proper strategy of sustained growth, not what we've had in the past of boom bust. We need to bring in the right players, quality players who will help improve us year on year.

That is not easy to do, when we lose two of our best players we've seen in a long time. We could just go out and sign players like the gimps have signed, like we did in the lead up to our relegation.

Or we could sign players who we've targeted, and who are players we believe will improve us and take us forward towards competing for a European place EVERY season.

Our league position is our main target every season now, because we want sustained qualification to Europe, and to do this we must qualify much more than we've done in the past through our league position.

Having a stronger team fighting for a top 4 positions every season, will have an obvious effect when playing in Europe regularly.

We need to walk before we can run, and the draw we've been given this year, gives us a chance to progress to the next round, where we should have more of our targets in through the door.

Even if the unthinkable happened, and we lost to this team from the faroes, i would be upset, but it wouldnt take away from our main target, which is Europe every season and sustained growth.

The first thing we must do is qualify for Europe more regularly, and when this happens, then its progress in Europe, we need the first part before the 2nd.

All good points. I do however think that if we are ever planning on aiming for second then it needs to be now. Rangers can't be this bad forever with the budget they've got and eventually you'd have to think they'll be difficult to keep up with. We’re also in our strongest position financially in a long time. But you're probably right to an extent that there needs to be an element of consolidating ourselves in the top 4.

[hfc rd]

Not really sure why this 2nd place is now a must have target? How many times have Hibs finished 2nd in your time watching us?

We need to have a proper strategy of sustained growth, not what we've had in the past of boom bust. We need to bring in the right players, quality players who will help improve us year on year.

That is not easy to do, when we lose two of our best players we've seen in a long time. We could just go out and sign players like the gimps have signed, like we did in the lead up to our relegation.

Or we could sign players who we've targeted, and who are players we believe will improve us and take us forward towards competing for a European place EVERY season.

Our league position is our main target every season now, because we want sustained qualification to Europe, and to do this we must qualify much more than we've done in the past through our league position.

Having a stronger team fighting for a top 4 positions every season, will have an obvious effect when playing in Europe regularly.

We need to walk before we can run, and the draw we've been given this year, gives us a chance to progress to the next round, where we should have more of our targets in through the door.

Even if the unthinkable happened, and we lost to this team from the faroes, i would be upset, but it wouldnt take away from our main target, which is Europe every season and sustained growth.

The first thing we must do is qualify for Europe more regularly, and when this happens, then its progress in Europe, we need the first part before the 2nd.


Totally agree with this.

[The Leith Dutch]

:confused:

Only the losses of Dylan, Allan, Barker and most likely McGinn..

If you're wondering why people treat you as a doom merchant it's posts like this.
There are rumours about McGinn out and Allan in yet you want to count both as out.
The possible negatives are taken as happened the possible positives (e.g. Allan and MacLaren) are taken as not happened.

The point here is you're polarising the debate to either happy clappy or we're not gonna make top 6.
When you actually take the time to write a post about what you think we need then there's some good debate comes out of it.

It's a forum and you can say what the hell you like but drop this sort of stuff and focus on the bodies we'll get in and it'll be a much less dull debate ;)

[calumhibee1]

If you're wondering why people treat you as a doom merchant it's posts like this.
There are rumours about McGinn out and Allan in yet you want to count both as out.
The possible negatives are taken as happened the possible positives (e.g. Allan and MacLaren) are taken as not happened.

The point here is you're polarising the debate to either happy clappy or we're not gonna make top 6.
When you actually take the time to write a post about what you think we need then there's some good debate comes out of it.

It's a forum and you can say what the hell you like but drop this sort of stuff and focus on the bodies we'll get in and it'll be a much less dull debate ;)

True, if I mention McGinn leaving then I should probably mention Allan possibly in. Although the difference there is at the moment we know McGinn has been the subject of an offer (which didn’t include Allan). We don’t have any such info on us making a move for Allan.

[BSEJVT]

Touchy? :confused: You asked me questions, I replied to them along with a few other points.

And I really couldn't care less if I was doing your tits in. I'll keep posting my views, if they "do your tits in" then that's your problem to deal with pal, not mine. Maybe it's you that needs to grow a set if someone posting their views on a forum is getting on your wick so much :aok:

I quoted yawn back to you and got some overly sarky response.

Most folk are of sufficient intelligence that they need a point made once maybe twice for reinforcement

I would hazard a guess that you have infected this thread with well over a 100 posts restating the same tired opinion

You are entitled to that opinion but I suspect I am not the only one bored stiff of hearing it regurgitated and who vehemently disagree with it as panicking.

Time to give it a rest and let others debate your view rather than restating it ad nauseum?

I think folk understand your position

[calumhibee1]

I quoted yawn back to you and got some overly sarky response.

Most folk are of sufficient intelligence that they need a point made once maybe twice for reinforcement

I would hazard a guess that you have infected this thread with well over a 100 posts restating the same tired opinion

You are entitled to that opinion but I suspect I am not the only one bored stiff of hearing it regurgitated and who vehemently disagree with it as panicking.

Time to give it a rest and let others debate your view rather than restating it ad nauseum?

I think folk understand your position

Calling you Sherlock is hardly an over sarky response, it’s a commonly used phrase. If that’s what’s upset you then I’d suggest it’s not me that’s the touchy one.

Others have debated my view. I’ll then debate it back. It’s how a forum works. I’m sure there’s an ignore button on here, maybe you should use it.

[stokesmessiah]

Guys. You both have different points of view, get over it and move on. No one wants to read this tripe. If you insist on arguing, mail each other will you.

[calumhibee1]

Guys. You both have different points of view, get over it and move on. No one wants to read this tripe. If you insist on arguing, mail each other will you.

Even I agree with this :greengrin

[RoYO!]

A bit touchy aren't we?

You are allowed carte blanche to say what you want but the minute someone disagrees you don't like it.

Fair enough

I will tell you what I really think then

Stop blubbering and greeting like a wee bairn and grow a ****ing set

Your incessant whining is doing my tits in

okay?

To be fair, yours is one of the touchiest responses I’ve read on here in a long time. Think the previous post was pretty measured tbh.

[The Leith Dutch]

Surely if mcginn goes we have someone in mind to replace him. Yes at the moment we are weaker than the end of last season but we only really kicked on when we signed Allan, flo and Jamie mac at the end of the Jan transfer window. We have signed flo and will hopefully get Allan when sjm goes. So get a rwlacent for sjm in plus Jamie mac and we are only Dylan down from last season. I'm sure slivka can do the Dylan role but I'm fairly sure we will play a slightly different formation of sjm goes. It's impossible to. Predict how the likes of mallan will get on. Nobody would have predicted how the three jan signings did. Let's just wait and see before predictions of doom and gloom.

I think the McGinn thing is the major part of the problem.

Assume we're aiming for parity with the squad last season:
We're down MacLaren, McGeough, Allan and Barker from the guys who mainly played.
We're up Mallan.

I think the McGinn transfer is likely to see Allan plus maybe a loanee come the the other way.
How that pans out will make a massive difference to how the above looks and how our other transfer dealings go.

Again, not saying anyone wants a Celtic loanee as a replacement Centre mid but that might be what Lennon sees happening.

[Ronniekirk]

All good points. I do however think that if we are ever planning on aiming for second then it needs to be now. Rangers can't be this bad forever with the budget they've got and eventually you'd have to think they'll be difficult to keep up with. We’re also in our strongest position financially in a long time. But you're probably right to an extent that there needs to be an element of consolidating ourselves in the top 4.

Second has been and gone That was Why Lennon blew a gasket after our defeat at Tyncastle as he knew we had just blown our best chance of finishing second
Realistically to do that this Season we would have needed to keep last seasons squad intact and bring in a few more Quality players to cope with a long season
Until we see the final Squad assembled we can't make any predictions But would be surprised but delighted if we were competing for second place again



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[SMAXXA]

This has to be the worst transfer thread in the history of this site. Even with lack of rumours some of the unrelated stuff is guff. If it’s no transfer related just don’t post it’s oretty simple no? Reading pages and pages of pish

[Callum_62]

Sees there are 20 new posts in the transfer thread - oh must be a solid rumour

Nope, just p*sh


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