SNP are lying b******s as well !

[archie]

It could be many things as you've said, it could also be false and made up. The fact she's come out last night to say so should give us all a clue.

Maybe. I guess the question is who benefits from the story.

[ronaldo7]

Maybe. I guess the question is who benefits from the story.

Unionists.

[Ozyhibby]

Unionists.

Not Scots unionists. They just think it benefits them. They are still getting poorer with us in the UK.


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[archie]

Unionists.

Maybe. But there could be others.

[ronaldo7]

Maybe. But there could be others.

Other unionists. 😹

[archie]

Other unionists. 😹

I think you need to look closer to home. Given that Kate Forbes has already challenged assertions made about her by the party leadership.

[Mibbes Aye]

I don't think there's an actual ferries thread, but they seem to get mentioned most on here.

The Scottish Government rented a catamaran for £9 million from Pentlands Ferries to cover routes on the West Coast. The ferry they got was the MV Alfred, which had been covering the Pentland Firth, from Caithness to Orkney.

Pentland brought back the MV Pentalina from the yard, which had been getting repaired, to cover the northern route, but that' boat has now run aground. I don't think anyone knows if and when it will be seaworthy again. The MV Alfred itself ran aground las year, I understand

I think the new transport minister, Kevin Stewart, should be out there making a strong and clear statement explaining what's happening. Key questions are

1) Will the MV Alfred be taken back from the west coast routes to service Orkney, leaving people and businesses in the west with no transport? What does the governments rental contract say in this regard?

2) If the MV Alfred stays put, what is the government intending to do to support the Orkney islanders?

3) Given the government has been using Pentland Ferries as a provider of last resort, how did they evaluate risk when leasing the Alfred? To lose one catamaran may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose two looks like carelessness..

Over to you, minister. But believe this, our island communities deserve better.

[He's here!]

Trawls through every press outlet till he finds his anti SNP headlines, I can't imagine being that desperate in life to spend my time doing these things.

The BBC Scotland news website does a round-up of the day's front pages every morning. Doesn't require any 'trawling', particularly as for the last few months if it's a day that ends in 'y' it tends to be a bad day for the SNP on the front pages.

[J-C]

The BBC Scotland news website does a round-up of the day's front pages every morning. Doesn't require any 'trawling', particularly as for the last few months if it's a day that ends in 'y' it tends to be a bad day for the SNP on the front pages.

Very little if none here from the BBC.

The Papers - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cpml2v678pxt)

[archie]

Very little if none here from the BBC.

The Papers - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cpml2v678pxt)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65440836

[J-C]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65440836


Unsurprisingly all the Tory hacks with anti SNP headlines, you can do better Archie, that's not debate and just like He's here it's just an SNP dig for the sake of it. It's the usual anti SNP agenda from the right wing press which isn't really a major surprise is it?

[Hibrandenburg]

I have no particular insights here, but given the amount of leaking to the media during the leadership contest, it not that strange that it could still be going on. The question is who is doing it? It could also be to undermine Forbes, by implying she is disloyal.

It could also be the state compliant media just making stuff up.

[marinello59]

It could also be the state compliant media just making stuff up.

They have history.
They tried to tell is that rather than being a Unionist plot, Salmond’s enemies lay within the SNP itself.
They made up a story saying that Flynn was going to challenge Blackford for the Westminster leadership.
They made up rumours that Sturgeon was going to resign.
They made up about nonsense about the SNP shedding members.
They even tried to suggest that senior figures in the SNP were going to be arrested as part of a fraud investigation.

All damned lies apparently. I don’t think shooting the messenger every single time works anymore.

[Hibrandenburg]

They have history.
They tried to tell is that rather than being a Unionist plot, Salmond’s enemies lay within the SNP itself.
They made up a story saying that Flynn was going to challenge Blackford for the Westminster leadership.
They made up rumours that Sturgeon was going to resign.
They made up about nonsense about the SNP shedding members.
They even tried to suggest that senior figures in the SNP were going to be arrested as part of a fraud investigation.

All damned lies apparently. I don’t think shooting the messenger every single time works anymore.

Self-fulfilling prophecies :greengrin

[marinello59]

Self-fulfilling prophecies :greengrin

:greengrin

[JimBHibees]

The BBC Scotland news website does a round-up of the day's front pages every morning. Doesn't require any 'trawling', particularly as for the last few months if it's a day that ends in 'y' it tends to be a bad day for the SNP on the front pages.

There is the problem right away :greengrin

[Glory Lurker]

The front page of the Express is trying to blame the SG for the ferry running aground yesterday. I wonder what the health effects of all that endless seethe are for the readership and staff.

[archie]

Unsurprisingly all the Tory hacks with anti SNP headlines, you can do better Archie, that's not debate and just like He's here it's just an SNP dig for the sake of it. It's the usual anti SNP agenda from the right wing press which isn't really a major surprise is it?

I was simply pointing you to the Scottish papers on the BBc. Not sure why I 'have to do better'.

[archie]

It could also be the state compliant media just making stuff up.

The SNP are 'the state' here.

[Moulin Yarns]

The front page of the Express is trying to blame the SG for the ferry running aground yesterday. I wonder what the health effects of all that endless seethe are for the readership and staff.

There is a post from yesterday evening on this thread saying the same.

[archie]

Self-fulfilling prophecies :greengrin

I think what you meant to say was they were right!

[Hibrandenburg]

The SNP are 'the state' here.

:faf:

[greenlex]

The front page of the Express is trying to blame the SG for the ferry running aground yesterday. I wonder what the health effects of all that endless seethe are for the readership and staff.
It’s a disgrace. There should be an endless supply of vessels at their fingertips for such maritime incompetence.

[Glory Lurker]

There is a post from yesterday evening on this thread saying the same.

Sorry, missed that somehow.

[archie]

:faf:

Why is that funny?

[Hibrandenburg]

I think what you meant to say was they were right!

I think you underestimate the power of suggestion. How long have the press been claiming Sturgeon will step down or forced to step down because of this that and the other? It's not exactly news that a welt like Salmond has enemies within the independence fold. Leaders are constantly challenged in politics, it's a dog eat dog world and how many of those arrested have been charged with anything?

There's definitely something to the stories going round but compared to other parties skeletons, the focus on the SNP is way out of proportion.

And before you say I'm another SNP stooge, I'll remind you that I've never voted for them.

[Hibrandenburg]

Why is that funny?

For a few reasons, but mainly because on another thread you're arguing that the UK is a unitary state.

So which one is it archie?

[archie]

I think you underestimate the power of suggestion. How long have the press been claiming Sturgeon will step down or forced to step down because of this that and the other? It's not exactly news that a welt like Salmond has enemies within the independence fold. Leaders are constantly challenged in politics, it's a dog eat dog world and how many of those arrested have been charged with anything?

There's definitely something to the stories going round but compared to other parties skeletons, the focus on the SNP is way out of proportion.

And before you say I'm another SNP stooge, I'll remind you that I've never voted for them.

I just don't understand how 'the power of suggestion' applies here. Are you saying the former FM saw the reports then decided to resign?

I think you are right about the dog eat dog nature of politics. I think most activists and supporters are dismayed at the in fighting and personal ambition that politicos of all parties indulge in. Are politicians nice people? I don't think it's a requirement as they regularly demonstrate. I don't know what you mean by Salmond being a 'welt'. Whatever you think of him he was brutally and cynically effective. And there are a lot of independence supporters here who see him as 'a king across the water' who was set up by his successor.

I'm not sure getting into a game about other parties skeletons will work here. Two Labour leaders resigned over issues. One was a £900 donation and the other was incorrectly declaring rent from a group that sought to get miners compensation. Compare and contrast.

[Berwickhibby]

I think you underestimate the power of suggestion. How long have the press been claiming Sturgeon will step down or forced to step down because of this that and the other? It's not exactly news that a welt like Salmond has enemies within the independence fold. Leaders are constantly challenged in politics, it's a dog eat dog world and how many of those arrested have been charged with anything?

There's definitely something to the stories going round but compared to other parties skeletons, the focus on the SNP is way out of proportion.

And before you say I'm another SNP stooge, I'll remind you that I've never voted for them.

You may not have voted for them, as you live in Germany, however you have said previously that you joined the SNP and are a party member

[archie]

For a few reasons, but mainly because on another thread you're arguing that the UK is a unitary state.

So which one is it archie?

It's a unitary state with a high degree of devolution. If you think the SNP doesn't have a big influence on institutions in Scotland we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Ozyhibby]

It's a unitary state with a high degree of devolution. If you think the SNP doesn't have a big influence on institutions in Scotland we'll have to agree to disagree.

I don’t think the level of devolution is that great? States in the US have more autonomy? Pretty sure regions of Germany also have more autonomy.
To have proper devolution, you need control of the money. Scotland doesn’t have that.


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[ronaldo7]

The SNP are 'the state' here.

Just imagine if we had the ability to intervene in these areas currently reserved to London.

The state you said. 😂

benefits (some aspects)
betting and gambling
broadcasting
constitution (some aspects)
consumer protection policy
currency
data protection
defence and national security
equality legislation (most aspects)
energy (most aspects)
elections to the UK Parliament
employment law and industrial relations
financial services
foreign affairs
immigration, asylum and visas
nationality and citizenship
postal services
taxation (some aspects)
telecommunications
trade and industry
transport (some aspects)

[archie]

Just imagine if we had the ability to intervene in these areas currently reserved to London.

The state you said. 😂

benefits (some aspects)
betting and gambling
broadcasting
constitution (some aspects)
consumer protection policy
currency
data protection
defence and national security
equality legislation (most aspects)
energy (most aspects)
elections to the UK Parliament
employment law and industrial relations
financial services
foreign affairs
immigration, asylum and visas
nationality and citizenship
postal services
taxation (some aspects)
telecommunications
trade and industry
transport (some aspects)

So you've listed reserved functions. What do you think such an intervention would look like? Do you think the SNP has no impact on institutions in Scotland?

[ronaldo7]

So you've listed reserved functions. What do you think such an intervention would look like? Do you think the SNP has no impact on institutions in Scotland?

You said the SNP was the state. If you could retract that we might make some headway. If not, I'll let you carry on regardless.

[archie]

You said the SNP was the state. If you could retract that we might make some headway. If not, I'll let you carry on regardless.

You don't think that the party that has been in power in Scotland since 2007 can be be considered part of the state here?

[Ozyhibby]

You don't think that the party that has been in power in Scotland since 2007 can be be considered part of the state here?

The are not in power. They are just an elected administration of some functions of government. Real power lies in London.
Anything the SNP does that London doesn’t like, like the DRS, the can stop it happening. And increasingly, that’s what’s happening.


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[ronaldo7]

You don't think that the party that has been in power in Scotland since 2007 can be be considered part of the state here?

Now they're part of the state.

Tell you what, I'll let you think about it for a while and once you've made your mind up I'll come back. 👍

[TrumpIsAPeado]

You're both dancing on the head of a pin here. State is simply an alternative term for government and doesn't have the derogatory effect that some seem to think that it has.

[archie]

Now they're part of the state.

Tell you what, I'll let you think about it for a while and once you've made your mind up I'll come back. 👍

Of course they are. Do you not think that health, justice, housing, planning, social security etc. are state functions?

[ronaldo7]

Of course they are. Do you not think that health, justice, housing, planning, social security etc. are state functions?

If the SNP were the state, as you said, they'd have control over all functions of the state. They don't.

The Scottish Parliament is subservient to Westminster.

[ronaldo7]

You're both dancing on the head of a pin here. State is simply an alternative term for government and doesn't have the derogatory effect that some seem to think that it has.

We can't have people opining that, "The SNP are the state", when clearly they're not.

[archie]

If the SNP were the state, as you said, they'd have control over all functions of the state. They don't.

The Scottish Parliament is subservient to Westminster.
They are part of the state here. How can that be controversial?

[Mibbes Aye]

We can't have people opining that, "The SNP are the state", when clearly they're not.

However you would be correct to say “The SNP are a state” 😂

[ronaldo7]

However you would be correct to say “The SNP are a state” 😂

On that we can agree.

[Ozyhibby]

They are part of the state here. How can that be controversial?

So is my local swimming baths.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/conor_matchett/status/1653060324176568320?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Love this from Ross. Good to remind the public how empty headed Yousaf’s opposition is.[emoji106]


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[marinello59]

I don't think there's an actual ferries thread, but they seem to get mentioned most on here.

The Scottish Government rented a catamaran for £9 million from Pentlands Ferries to cover routes on the West Coast. The ferry they got was the MV Alfred, which had been covering the Pentland Firth, from Caithness to Orkney.

Pentland brought back the MV Pentalina from the yard, which had been getting repaired, to cover the northern route, but that' boat has now run aground. I don't think anyone knows if and when it will be seaworthy again. The MV Alfred itself ran aground las year, I understand

I think the new transport minister, Kevin Stewart, should be out there making a strong and clear statement explaining what's happening. Key questions are

1) Will the MV Alfred be taken back from the west coast routes to service Orkney, leaving people and businesses in the west with no transport? What does the governments rental contract say in this regard?

2) If the MV Alfred stays put, what is the government intending to do to support the Orkney islanders?

3) Given the government has been using Pentland Ferries as a provider of last resort, how did they evaluate risk when leasing the Alfred? To lose one catamaran may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose two looks like carelessness..

Over to you, minister. But believe this, our island communities deserve better.

MV Alfred is due to start on the Islay route on 5th May when the Finlaggan goes in for her annual refit. It’s still uncertain which mainland port the Alfred will be using as she can’t get on to the jetty at Kennacraig so it could be Campbeltown or it could be Troon. Not good for anybody trying to plan a trip they may be taking in only a few days.
There should be a two ferry service running but the ageing Hebridean Isles is also out of action just now so no doubt bookings will be cancelled.. It’s a mess and yet still nobody takes responsibility. Our islanders certainly do deserve much better.

[greenginger]

https://twitter.com/conor_matchett/status/1653060324176568320?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Love this from Ross. Good to remind the public how empty headed Yousaf’s opposition is.[emoji106]


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If you’re looking for empty heads , look no further than a transport minister who drove his car around uninsured. :greengrin

[Bristolhibby]

You don't think that the party that has been in power in Scotland since 2007 can be be considered part of the state here?

Yet can also have apparatus of the bigger established state pulling strings.

J

[grunt]

2) If the MV Alfred stays put, what is the government intending to do to support the Orkney islanders?

3) Given the government has been using Pentland Ferries as a provider of last resort, how did they evaluate risk when leasing the Alfred? To lose one catamaran may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose two looks like carelessness.

The Scottish Government provides support to Northlink Ferries for the lifeline service between the mainland and Orkney.

The Scottish Government provides no support to Pentland Ferries so I don't know where you get this idea of "provider of last resort". Pentland is a private business receiving no Government funding.

[marinello59]

The Scottish Government provides support to Northlink Ferries for the lifeline service between the mainland and Orkney.

The Scottish Government provides no support to Pentland Ferries so I don't know where you get this idea of "provider of last resort". Pentland is a private business receiving no Government funding.

Aye, they saw a business opportunity using a crossing that had been dismissed in the past. They look to have got themselves a really good deal by leasing out the Alfred as well.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/thescotsman/status/1653291760859095041?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Humza needs to learn to count real quick on this issue.


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[He's here!]

SNP politicians going along with self-ID ‘for a quiet life’, claims MP (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/snp-politicians-going-along-with-self-id-for-a-quiet-life-claims-mp/ar-AA1aDc4L?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=026158884de94cddba0ea2f9ee075904&ei=10)

[Ozyhibby]

SNP politicians going along with self-ID ‘for a quiet life’, claims MP (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/snp-politicians-going-along-with-self-id-for-a-quiet-life-claims-mp/ar-AA1aDc4L?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=026158884de94cddba0ea2f9ee075904&ei=10)

There is a separate thread for this.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

SNP politicians going along with self-ID ‘for a quiet life’, claims MP (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/snp-politicians-going-along-with-self-id-for-a-quiet-life-claims-mp/ar-AA1aDc4L?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=026158884de94cddba0ea2f9ee075904&ei=10)

The same as politicians from every other major party then? I wonder how many MPs in the Conservative Party were silently opposed to the bedroom tax or the rape clause, but just went along with it anyway for a quiet life? I wonder how many Labour MPs are silently opposed to Keir Starmer's u-turning on major policy pledges, but are saying nothing for a quiet life?

[He's here!]

There is a separate thread for this.


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Bit of a crossover and I thought on balance it belonged on here.

[Mibbes Aye]

The Scottish Government provides support to Northlink Ferries for the lifeline service between the mainland and Orkney.

The Scottish Government provides no support to Pentland Ferries so I don't know where you get this idea of "provider of last resort". Pentland is a private business receiving no Government funding.

Well, technically Pentland got a lot of taxpayers' money for the use of the MV Alfred :greengrin

But in reponse to your point, I didn't "get this idea of 'provider of last resort'" It's an expression in relatively common use in the public sector to describe a fallback option when all the planned options have failed.

For example, carers who work in people's homes. The majority in Scotland work for private sector companies but sometimes those companies fail. In that instance the local authority is usually deemed to be the 'provider of last resort' and requires to deploy its own resources and staff to address the shortfall.

Sometimes it has a more formalised status, so for example the energy regultor has a process in place by which should your energy supplier suddenly go out of business, you aren't left stranded as another provider, in this case the 'supplier of last resort', is required to step in. This is an example of where the private sector can be the 'POTL' as well as causing the need for it.

With Pentland, SG have used them as a de facto provider of last resort - the planned service provision has singularly failed and money has had to be found to pay someone else to step in, presumably until such time as a more permanent arrangement can be put in place.

In some respects the armed forces could be seen as a 'provider of last resort'. I think SG requested this at one stage for the ferries, and I think the UK government requested this in the English Channel. It is different from what's described above however, as the armed forces can't be 'contracted' to do so. This is because they all form part of the state, or more accurately 'the Crown' and tone part of the Crown can't enter into a legal contract with another. That's why they use Memorandums of Understanding, or service-level agreements. All moot anyway because the RN wanted nothing to do with the small boats in the Channel and I suspect wanted nothing to do with the bigger boats in the Minch, or wherever.

So, you quoted two of my questions but I don't see you answering them (although in fairness you're not the transport minister I assume).

The islanders have lost a significant service and it's reasonable to ask what SG intend to do about it, and especially whether they put undue pressure on Pentland to rush a ferry back to sea to allow the Alfred to move to the west coast.

It's also reasonable to ask whether the process was thorough in evaluating risk. It involves a lot of taxpayers' money.

[Mibbes Aye]

https://twitter.com/thescotsman/status/1653291760859095041?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Humza needs to learn to count real quick on this issue.


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The good news is he has reached double figures. And most importantly, he did it by himself.

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/1200x800/public/d8/images/canvas/2023/03/25/9cb7e8ee-f431-457e-a402-e1293636938f_9d7474f9.jpg?itok=JDdXBLg5&v=1679699954

[He's here!]

The same as politicians from every other major party then? I wonder how many MPs in the Conservative Party were silently opposed to the bedroom tax or the rape clause, but just went along with it anyway for a quiet life? I wonder how many Labour MPs are silently opposed to Keir Starmer's u-turning on major policy pledges, but are saying nothing for a quiet life?

Angry ex-government minister Fergus Ewing rips up fishing plan - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-65464291)

You certainly couldn't accuse Fergus Ewing of saying nothing against his party for a quiet life. Following his diatribe against their partnership with the Greens last week he's literally been ripping up government policy in parliament today.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230502/ea6d6462c541376303b52045971e1a84.jpg

The marine protected areas debate should be interesting.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

Angry ex-government minister Fergus Ewing rips up fishing plan - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-65464291)

You certainly couldn't accuse Fergus Ewing of saying nothing against his party for a quiet life. Following his diatribe against their partnership with the Greens last week he's literally been ripping up government policy in parliament today.

So do you think politicians should speak out against policies they can't morally support from their own perspective or should they keep quiet and toe the party line?

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-65459516

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65467591?at_medium=social&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_type=web_link&at_format=link&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_campaign_type=owned&at_link_origin=BBCScotlandNews&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_link_id=F81A8BE6-E98D-11ED-B287-907279448730

Great work by Humza.[emoji122]


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[Kato]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65467591?at_medium=social&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_type=web_link&at_format=link&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_campaign_type=owned&at_link_origin=BBCScotlandNews&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_link_id=F81A8BE6-E98D-11ED-B287-907279448730

Great work by Humza.[emoji122]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBut the rumours said nobody would touch them. Why are the rumours wrong on this?

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[Berwickhibby]

But the rumours said nobody would touch them. Why are the rumours wrong on this?

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Rumours by who… you phone up a set of chartered accountants who provide an audit service and agree a deal … cannot even see why this is newsworthy

[He's here!]

But the rumours said nobody would touch them. Why are the rumours wrong on this?

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They weren't rumours. Both Flynn and Yousaf confirmed they were having trouble finding new auditors - presumably because the Murrells had kept them in the dark about the previous ones quitting months ago and leaving them scrabbling around to find new ones at the 11th hour.

[Ozyhibby]

Rumours by who… you phone up a set of chartered accountants who provide an audit service and agree a deal … cannot even see why this is newsworthy

Their absence was def newsworthy in the unionist media.


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[ronaldo7]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65467591?at_medium=social&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_type=web_link&at_format=link&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_campaign_type=owned&at_link_origin=BBCScotlandNews&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_link_id=F81A8BE6-E98D-11ED-B287-907279448730

Great work by Humza.[emoji122]


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They'll be gutted. Or should that be on the protected fishing grounds thread which will no doubt be trawled. 🎣

[Kato]

Rumours by who… you phone up a set of chartered accountants who provide an audit service and agree a deal … cannot even see why this is newsworthyIt's newsworthy when they "can't find" an auditor but not when they hire one?

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[Steven79]

It's newsworthy when they "can't find" an auditor but not when they hire one?

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkThe "British" media will be looking for yet another SNP bad story to focus on...

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[ronaldo7]

The "British" media will be looking for yet another SNP bad story to focus on...

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How much are the auditors costing? Is it more than the other parties registered in Scotland (delete Scottish Labour, Tories, and Lib dems)

Front pages will be on here soon enough. 😂

[Jack]

I wonder if the police holding all these documents will cause the auditors a problem?

I'll let the accountancy company and professional conspiracy theorists sort that one out 😆

[Berwickhibby]

It's newsworthy when they "can't find" an auditor but not when they hire one?

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Newsworthy …nah …incompetent for not hiring a company to complete the task…definitely

[weecounty hibby]

Newsworthy …nah …incompetent for not hiring a company to complete the task…definitely
Or alternatively, auditors resign, no rush to get new ones as you only really need them at year end, police investigation and subsequent media feeding frenzy(looking increasingly desperate) makes it seem worse, year end approaches, new auditor appointed. Pretty straight forward really.

[easty]

https://www.scotsman.com/education/snp-ministers-under-fire-after-completely-inexplicable-u-turn-on-ps46m-pledge-for-scottish-universities-and-colleges-4127370

[Moulin Yarns]

Or alternatively, auditors resign, no rush to get new ones as you only really need them at year end, police investigation and subsequent media feeding frenzy(looking increasingly desperate) makes it seem worse, year end approaches, new auditor appointed. Pretty straight forward really.

I wonder when the police will raid her mammy's house in ayrshire to look for the brand new tesla and years supply of biros?

[Berwickhibby]

Or alternatively, auditors resign, no rush to get new ones as you only really need them at year end, police investigation and subsequent media feeding frenzy(looking increasingly desperate) makes it seem worse, year end approaches, new auditor appointed. Pretty straight forward really.

You believe what you wish, but 6 months without an auditor is not normal practice, what reason did the auditors give to leave paid employment, why have the SNP taken on an English Company to complete their audit. Smells like the treasurer and Accountant management incompetence to me.

[weecounty hibby]

You believe what you wish, but 6 months without an auditor is not normal practice, what reason did the auditors give to leave paid employment, why have the SNP taken on an English Company to complete their audit. Smells like the treasurer and Accountant management incompetence to me.
Of course it does, but it always will to you. No matter what you say the fact that more than two years since the investigation started there is none, zero, nada, zilch evidence of illegal wrongdoing it looks like a complete farce. And after two years I would say that incompetent would be a good description of the police. But unionists everywhere will continue to claim all sorts, aided and abetted by the msm.
Why wouldn't they take on an English company? I would suggest that it is a good thing. No chance of any claims of SNP bias. I believe the last auditors said that they were rationalising their customer base and the SNP weren't the only one that they stopped working with.

I will add as always that if there is any illegality then those involved deserve everything coming to them.

[Berwickhibby]

Of course it does, but it always will to you. No matter what you say the fact that more than two years since the investigation started there is none, zero, nada, zilch evidence of illegal wrongdoing it looks like a complete farce. And after two years I would say that incompetent would be a good description of the police. But unionists everywhere will continue to claim all sorts, aided and abetted by the msm.
Why wouldn't they take on an English company? I would suggest that it is a good thing. No chance of any claims of SNP bias. I believe the last auditors said that they were rationalising their customer base and the SNP weren't the only one that they stopped working with.

I will add as always that if there is any illegality then those involved deserve everything coming to them.

Yeah I agree, incompetence but with the Procurator Fiscal who is leading this investigation as the police cannot pull the plug or end this investigation. If you recall the initial complaints made were ignored by police as it did not reach evidential evidence threshold to start an investigation.

[Santa Cruz]

https://www.scotsman.com/education/snp-ministers-under-fire-after-completely-inexplicable-u-turn-on-ps46m-pledge-for-scottish-universities-and-colleges-4127370

What a disgrace.

[Ozyhibby]

You believe what you wish, but 6 months without an auditor is not normal practice, what reason did the auditors give to leave paid employment, why have the SNP taken on an English Company to complete their audit. Smells like the treasurer and Accountant management incompetence to me.

What wrong with English people that we can’t hire their companies?


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[Berwickhibby]

What wrong with English people that we can’t hire their companies?


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Goes against the SNP mantra about Scottish jobs for Scottish people :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

What wrong with English people that we can’t hire their companies?


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I would suggest that AMS will be able to claim a greater level of independence than Scottish-based firms.

[Ozyhibby]

Goes against the SNP mantra about Scottish jobs for Scottish people :greengrin

Think you might be confused.


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[Ozyhibby]

I would suggest that AMS will be able to claim a greater level of independence than Scottish-based firms.

I hope so.


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[He's here!]

What a disgrace.

Westminster's fault no doubt...

[grunt]

You believe what you wish, but 6 months without an auditor is not normal practice, what reason did the auditors give to leave paid employment, why have the SNP taken on an English Company to complete their audit. Smells like the treasurer and Accountant management incompetence to me.

Every day is a school day. Never had you down as an expert on audit practices but there you go.

As an aside, when I joined this forum oh so long ago, I never thought there'd be so much discussion about auditors!

[He's here!]

Or alternatively, auditors resign, no rush to get new ones as you only really need them at year end, police investigation and subsequent media feeding frenzy(looking increasingly desperate) makes it seem worse, year end approaches, new auditor appointed. Pretty straight forward really.

You know that's not how it was. Even Yousaf has acknowledged they'd been left scrabbling for new auditors after the Murrells didn't see fit to let him (and most of their party by the sounds of it) know that there were no auditors in place, and had not been for many months. The 'nothing to see here' approach (deployed by the more devout SNP disciples when anything critical of the party surfaces) really doesn't cut it here.

[weecounty hibby]

You know that's not how it was. Even Yousaf has acknowledged they'd been left scrabbling for new auditors after the Murrells didn't see fit to let him (and most of their party by the sounds of it) know that there were no auditors in place, and had not been for many months. The 'nothing to see here' approach (deployed by the more devout SNP disciples when anything critical of the party surfaces) really doesn't cut it here.
I don't actually know anything, and neither do you. But I'd really like you to try to explain what there is to see. Two years of investigation on spurious claims from Sean ****ing Clerkin throw up absolutely nothing. As Berwick mentions above, and something I forgot, the police actually dismissed the claims. Si coming then and tell us what is happening. No innuendo, no made up claims, no hearsay. Let us know what is going on.
Your obsession is way worse than anybody I see on here that you claim to be devout followers of a cult. Can't be healthy

[Santa Cruz]

Every day is a school day. Never had you down as an expert on audit practices but there you go.

As an aside, when I joined this forum oh so long ago, I never thought there'd be so much discussion about auditors!

Not that surprising given the SNP have managed to make their party's own auditor's recruitment process more of a priority than the missing allocation of funding for the higher education sector. Another useful distraction?

[Smartie]

You know that's not how it was. Even Yousaf has acknowledged they'd been left scrabbling for new auditors after the Murrells didn't see fit to let him (and most of their party by the sounds of it) know that there were no auditors in place, and had not been for many months. The 'nothing to see here' approach (deployed by the more devout SNP disciples when anything critical of the party surfaces) really doesn't cut it here.

Except it appears that there's nothing to see.

Their previous auditor left, and had justifiable reason to do so other than criminal wrongdoing by figures within the SNP. Auditors aren't all that easy to come across in the current climate. The SNP get hit with several major distractions along the way, cut some deadlines a bit fine then find an auditor.

Quite a dull story really, no matter how many luxury pots and pans you chuck at it.

[Jack]

Not that surprising given the SNP have managed to make their party's own auditor's recruitment process more of a priority than the missing allocation of funding for the higher education sector. Another useful distraction?

I didn't realise it was the same people doing the accounts for the SNP that look after the nations accounts for the Scottish Government.

Every day's a school day.

[richard_pitts]

Except it appears that there's nothing to see.

Their previous auditor left, and had justifiable reason to do so other than criminal wrongdoing by figures within the SNP. Auditors aren't all that easy to come across in the current climate. The SNP get hit with several major distractions along the way, cut some deadlines a bit fine then find an auditor.

Quite a dull story really, no matter how many luxury pots and pans you chuck at it.

I could not begin to imagine the response if this was Labour or the Tories in this situation. Every nationalist keyboard warrior in christendom would be screaming from the rooftops:wink:

[Berwickhibby]

Every day is a school day. Never had you down as an expert on audit practices but there you go.

As an aside, when I joined this forum oh so long ago, I never thought there'd be so much discussion about auditors!

Not an expert but my own businesses accounts and the other guys I know who run businesses don’t have 6 months gaps in auditing and maintaining their accounts

[He's here!]

I don't actually know anything, and neither do you. But I'd really like you to try to explain what there is to see. Two years of investigation on spurious claims from Sean ****ing Clerkin throw up absolutely nothing. As Berwick mentions above, and something I forgot, the police actually dismissed the claims. Si coming then and tell us what is happening. No innuendo, no made up claims, no hearsay. Let us know what is going on.
Your obsession is way worse than anybody I see on here that you claim to be devout followers of a cult. Can't be healthy

There were 19 complaints received by Police Scotland over the missing funds but it suits the more devout 'nothing to see here' SNP disciples to brush it all off as just the spurious claims of a single eccentric.

As for the auditors I'm not suggesting anything other than it's bizarre in the extreme that the incoming party leader had to acknowledge he no idea they'd departed months ago. Why would the Murrells keep him in the dark about that?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Not that surprising given the SNP have managed to make their party's own auditor's recruitment process more of a priority than the missing allocation of funding for the higher education sector. Another useful distraction?

A useful distraction hyped up by the British Media?

[Santa Cruz]

A useful distraction hyped up by the British Media?

Not getting this. Surely the SNP sorting out their party affairs is a positive news story for them, it's reported on the BBC website. No mention of allocated funding being slashed as yet. I think their media team likely release updates in the order of priority they set. Hardly anyone reads the Scotsman in comparison to hits on the BBC site.

[Smartie]

Not an expert but my own businesses accounts and the other guys I know who run businesses don’t have 6 months gaps in auditing and maintaining their accounts

I'm very happy with my business' accountants/ auditors - but if, for any reason, they decided they weren't going to do it any more I'm pretty sure I'd leave it for a while before remembering that I need to do something else about it. There would be a deadline where clearly something would need to be done but that could easily be more than 6 months, no?

Do these things not need to be done annually? Therefore a break of 6 months or so with nobody in place (or where the previous auditors if they were still in place would be doing nothing, waiting for the time of year when they have to do something again comes around) isn't that unusual?

Admittedly, if there is a deadline of the start of May to have stuff submitted then they've cut it fine.

[weecounty hibby]

There were 19 complaints received by Police Scotland over the missing funds but it suits the more devout 'nothing to see here' SNP disciples to brush it all off as just the spurious claims a single eccentric.

As for the auditors I'm not suggesting anything other than it's bizarre in the extreme that the incoming party leader had to acknowledge he no idea they'd departed months ago. Why would the Murrells keep him in the dark about that?

19 complaints from a membership at that time of over 100,000. I understand that complaints came from Clerkin, Murray, the Rev Stu and a handful of others who may or may not have been speaking to the police regarding other matters at the time. As I have said if anything illegal has happened then hell mend them and they deserve punished. I am still to see anything at all, even after raiding the garden shed at the Murrells house and the Kitchen at Colin Beatties that they're is any evidence. Unless a pair of secateurs and a bag of tea bags were bought inappropriately.

And once again "devout SNP disciples" I'd wager that you have posted more than any other poster on .net about the SNP. An unhealthily obsession perhaps

[Berwickhibby]

I see Steven Flynn is behaving like a true Tartan Tory by supporting Sunak to attack Starmer 🙄 in the commons

[Jack]

I'll bet there's only maybe a couple people on here know who Hibs auditors are and maybe even the last time they were changed.

We all have a big interest in Hibs (probably) and more than a few of us will be shareholders. We should all know these things 😆

[ronaldo7]

I see Steven Flynn is behaving like a true Tartan Tory by supporting Sunak to attack Starmer �� in the commons

Except he didn't

He skewered Starmer and his reversal of his pledge on tuition fees.

Very good it was too. :aok:

https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1653742993390592002

[Ozyhibby]

I see Steven Flynn is behaving like a true Tartan Tory by supporting Sunak to attack Starmer [emoji849] in the commons

Was he supporting Sunak? Or are you making things up?


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[Berwickhibby]

I'll bet there's only maybe a couple people on here know who Hibs auditors are and maybe even the last time they were changed.

We all have a big interest in Hibs (probably) and more than a few of us will be shareholders. We should all know these things 😆

Took me 30 seconds to find Hibernian’s auditors

Thomson Cooper 3 Castle Court Carnegie Campus Dunfermline
Fife
KY11 8PB

[Berwickhibby]

Was he supporting Sunak? Or are you making things up?


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Really ffs

[McSwanky]

I see Steven Flynn is behaving like a true Tartan Tory by supporting Sunak to attack Starmer 🙄 in the commons

I just watched that, and that is one interesting take on what happened.... :confused:

[Kato]

I see Steven Flynn is behaving like a true Tartan Tory by supporting Sunak to attack Starmer [emoji849] in the commonsWhat support does he give Sunak?

Pretty funny and looks to be taken in good spirit by all.

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[greenginger]

AMS Accountants Group formed 4 years ago and has 2 employees , both of whom are the directors.

[degenerated]

AMS Accountants Group formed 4 years ago and has 2 employees , both of whom are the directors.Not sure that it really matters but their website shows 9 people of associate director and above.

https://www.groupams.co.uk/meet-the-team/

A quick sketch at linked in shows about 20 people working for them currently, that's just the ones that showed up so no idea how many there are actually.

[Hibrandenburg]

I see Steven Flynn is behaving like a true Tartan Tory by supporting Sunak to attack Starmer 🙄 in the commons

You're starting to sound like a Celtic fan that expects Hibs fans to share their bigotry. Are the SNP tories because they attack the Labour leader after he's just made an outrageous u-turn?

[Berwickhibby]

You're starting to sound like a Celtic fan that expects Hibs fans to share their bigotry. Are the SNP tories because they attack the Labour leader after he's just made an outrageous u-turn?

No the SNP are Tories as historically they have backed them hence the term Tartan Tories

[Kato]

No the SNP are Tories as historically they have backed them hence the term Tartan ToriesBerwickhibby? Sure its not Punxsutawneyhibby?

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[TrumpIsAPeado]

No the SNP are Tories as historically they have backed them hence the term Tartan Tories

My personal favourite is when the SNP jumped into bed with the tories in 2014 to campaign against the sovereignty of our nation, then recommended an even weaker devolution proposal to the Smith Commission than the tories.

Or am I getting mixed up?

[Steven79]

My personal favourite is when the SNP jumped into bed with the tories in 2014 to campaign against the sovereignty of our nation, then recommended an even weaker devolution proposal to the Smith Commission than the tories.

Or am I getting mixed up?[emoji1787]

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[Berwickhibby]

My personal favourite is when the SNP jumped into bed with the tories in 2014 to campaign against the sovereignty of our nation, then recommended an even weaker devolution proposal to the Smith Commission than the tories.

Or am I getting mixed up?

Are not getting confused about when the SNP crossed the chamber to side with the Tories and the ushering in of Thatcher

[Ozyhibby]

Are not getting confused about when the SNP crossed the chamber to side with the Tories and the ushering in of Thatcher

Your turning into another boring troll.[emoji849]


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

Are not getting confused about when the SNP crossed the chamber to side with the Tories and the ushering in of Thatcher

You mean following the previous time Labour shafted Scotland over devolution? How many Labour MPs crossed the chamber that day? And why did Labour not take advantage of the 'pairing convention' when one of their own MPs was too unwell to attain the confidence vote? Labour ultimately decided to let Thatcher in.

[Berwickhibby]

Your turning into another boring troll.[emoji849]


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What!! so stating the truth is now trolling….very good 😊 The SNP echo chamber is returning

[archie]

My personal favourite is when the SNP jumped into bed with the tories in 2014 to campaign against the sovereignty of our nation, then recommended an even weaker devolution proposal to the Smith Commission than the tories.

Or am I getting mixed up?

They were, however, happy to do a deal with the Tories in 2007 in the Scottish Parliament.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

They were, however, happy to do a deal with the Tories in 2007 in the Scottish Parliament.

I suppose Labour were just too far to the right to work with the SNP, even back then.

[archie]

I suppose Labour were just too far to the right to work with the SNP, even back then.

No, I think the Tories were comfy bedfellows.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

No, I think the Tories were comfy bedfellows.

I don't recall Labour stepping up in 2007 to offer their services to the winning party. Clearly they were very bitter about losing out in that election and were hoping that no coalition could be formed.

[weecounty hibby]

Are not getting confused about when the SNP crossed the chamber to side with the Tories and the ushering in of Thatcher

When you say crossed the chamber, that implies they were part of the governing party i.e Labour at that time. They were not, they were in opposition to Labour who had shafted them just a few months earlier. They were in no way beholden to the Labour government and actually were one of a number of parties that voted against Labour. It is actually a very interesting political story. Labour had chances to at least tie the vote but didn't take it with matched voting or allowing the ill member (can't remember his name)to come to Westminster but chose not to use both options. In reality it brought in Thatchers fascists just a few months earlier than would have happened naturally. But it is complete Labour revisionism to suggest that it was all the SNPs fault.

[archie]

I don't recall Labour stepping up in 2007 to offer their services to the winning party. Clearly they were very bitter about losing out in that election and were hoping that no coalition could be formed.

It wasn't a coalition. The SNP and Tories did a deal that the Tories would prop up the government.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

It wasn't a coalition. The SNP and Tories did a deal that the Tories would prop up the government.

If it's not a coalition, then they're not propping up the government. What you're left with is a minority government working with parties over individual policy issues. That's how minority government's have to function. Labour in Scotland have had their thumbs in theirs mouths since that election and have made themselves notoriously difficult to work with.

[Santa Cruz]

If it's not a coalition, then they're not propping up the government. What you're left with is a minority government working with parties over individual policy issues. That's how minority government's have to function. Labour in Scotland have had their thumbs in theirs mouths since that election and have made themselves notoriously difficult to work with.

Your last sentence. Which party was first to campaign for rent freezes and ending period poverty?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Your last sentence. Which party was first to campaign for rent freezes and ending period poverty?

What party was the first to implement it? Labour are good at campaigning for things when they're not actually in a position to implement what they're campaigning for. As soon as it looks like they're going to be in power, the u-turns come flying out, as we're seeing with Keir Starmer.

[Ozyhibby]

Your last sentence. Which party was first to campaign for rent freezes and ending period poverty?

Won’t be long before everyone is blaming everyone else over rent freezes. Scottish rents already rising faster than everywhere else in the UK due to it. It will get worse. Especially for new tennant’s.


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[archie]

If it's not a coalition, then they're not propping up the government. What you're left with is a minority government working with parties over individual policy issues. That's how minority government's have to function. Labour in Scotland have had their thumbs in theirs mouths since that election and have made themselves notoriously difficult to work with.
It was an informal coalition. The Tories didn't have ministers, but they supported the SNP budget in a deal with Salmond. If they supported the budget in a deal that was propping up the government.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

It was an informal coalition. The Tories didn't have ministers, but they supported the SNP budget in a deal with Salmond. If they supported the budget in a deal that was propping up the government.

Minority Governments operate on a series of "informal coalitions". Any effort to equate the SNP with the tories, just because they were the only opposition party grown up enough at the time to allow for a functioning government is beyond straw clutching.

[archie]

Minority Governments operate on a series of "informal coalitions". Any effort to equate the SNP with the tories, just because they were the only opposition party grown up enough at the time to allow for a functioning government is beyond straw clutching.

On the contrary, defending the Tory SNP deal while criticising deals in local authorities is the height of hypocrisy.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

On the contrary, defending the Tory SNP deal while criticising deals in local authorities is the height of hypocrisy.

Difference is, the SNP worked with the tories as the leading party, because the alternatives flat out refused to work with them. Labour didn't need to do deals with the tories in local councils, especially councils where the SNP won the highest vote share. You're creating false equivalences.

[Santa Cruz]

What party was the first to implement it? Labour are good at campaigning for things when they're not actually in a position to implement what they're campaigning for. As soon as it looks like they're going to be in power, the u-turns come flying out, as we're seeing with Keir Starmer.

They can't implemement policy in opposition. The policies were initially rejected before being adopted by the SNp. You started off having a go at the Scottish Labour party then when it's pointed out they've made helpful policy contributions you turn on Starmer. What about the u-turn on free school dinners for secondary pupils by the SNP, the then Ed Sec vowed to pilot that scheme, what's your opinion on that?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

They can't implemement policy in opposition.

Which is very convenient for Labour as they are quick to perform policy u-turns when it looks like they're about to be in power.


The policies were initially rejected before being adopted by the SNp. You started off having a go at the Scottish Labour party then when it's pointed out they've made helpful policy contributions you turn on Starmer. What about the u-turn on free school dinners for secondary pupils by the SNP, the then Ed Sec vowed to pilot that scheme, what's your opinion on that?

There is no such thing as "policy contributions" from a party that is neither in power or in coalition. All they can do is make policy recommendations. You also assume that these policies weren't already in the pipeline before Labour went public about them as if they were their own idea. As for policies being initially rejected then being adopted. It's more likely that the policy legislation needed to be adjusted before it could be properly implemented.

[Santa Cruz]

Which is very convenient for Labour as they are quick to perform policy u-turns when it looks like they're about to be in power.



There is no such thing as "policy contributions" from a party that is neither in power or in coalition. All they can do is make policy recommendations. You also assume that these policies weren't already in the pipeline before Labour went public about them as if they were their own idea. As for policies being initially rejected then being adopted. It's more likely that the policy legislation needed to be adjusted before it could be properly implemented.

I don't think it is an assumption, why would Monica Lennon receive thanks from the committee convener for bringing the Bill to parliament and raising awareness if that was the case. Do you not have an opinion on the free school dinners pilot u-turn by the SNP?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

I don't think it is an assumption, why would Monica Lennon receive thanks from the committee convener for bringing the Bill to parliament and raising awareness if that was the case. Do you not have an opinion on the free school dinners pilot u-turn by the SNP?

Just because a politician brings a bill into parliament to "raise awareness", doesn't mean that the awareness wasn't already there. Fair play to her though, it was a nice wee stunt that got her a bit of publicity and made it look as if it was Labour's idea all along even if it was already being worked on by government in the background.

I'm not aware of any official u-turn that has been made on that policy thus far. I believe you got it from an article that was suggesting that a u-turn "could" be made, based on something Yousaf said. Although I'm not sure how it could even be classed as a u-turn when the policy in question hasn't even been put into practice yet in order for it to be u-turned on.

[Santa Cruz]

Won’t be long before everyone is blaming everyone else over rent freezes. Scottish rents already rising faster than everywhere else in the UK due to it. It will get worse. Especially for new tennant’s.


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Sorry, meant to come back to you on another unrelated point. Listened to the Jeane Freeman podcast, thought it was really good. The blokes who host the shows are really good at what they do. Also enjoyed the Ruth Davidson one. Podcasts are new to me, find them a good alternative to reading which I don't have as good concentration with anymore. Thanks for posting the link.

[He's here!]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/snp-find-some-accountants-at-last/

[archie]

Just because a politician brings a bill into parliament to "raise awareness", doesn't mean that the awareness wasn't already there. Fair play to her though, it was a nice wee stunt that got her a bit of publicity and made it look as if it was Labour's idea all along even if it was already being worked on by government in the background.

I'm not aware of any official u-turn that has been made on that policy thus far. I believe you got it from an article that was suggesting that a u-turn "could" be made, based on something Yousaf said. Although I'm not sure how it could even be classed as a u-turn when the policy in question hasn't even been put into practice yet in order for it to be u-turned on.
It was opposed because of, believe it or not, cross border Tampax raids! https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-government-criticised-over-tampon-21469707

[Santa Cruz]

Just because a politician brings a bill into parliament to "raise awareness", doesn't mean that the awareness wasn't already there. Fair play to her though, it was a nice wee stunt that got her a bit of publicity and made it look as if it was Labour's idea all along even if it was already being worked on by government in the background.

I'm not aware of any official u-turn that has been made on that policy thus far. I believe you got it from an article that was suggesting that a u-turn "could" be made, based on something Yousaf said. Although I'm not sure how it could even be classed as a u-turn when the policy in question hasn't even been put into practice yet in order for it to be u-turned on.

Your first para is just incorrect, ML camapaigned for a long time on that issue.

Your second para explained in link below.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-vows-pilot-free-28074209

[CropleyWasGod]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/snp-find-some-accountants-at-last/

So, not content with kicking the party, let's now kick their auditors.

The bit about the "overdue" Confirmation Statement is pure nonsense. It was filed on 11 April, 2 weeks before the deadline.


But, they're wee, therefore they're no very good. :rolleyes:

[He's here!]

You mean following the previous time Labour shafted Scotland over devolution? How many Labour MPs crossed the chamber that day? And why did Labour not take advantage of the 'pairing convention' when one of their own MPs was too unwell to attain the confidence vote? Labour ultimately decided to let Thatcher in.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/20/honourable-behaviour-by-whips-that-led-to-thatcher

That story of the 'pairing convention' revealed an honour among party whips that it's all but impossible to imagine occurring today.

The SNP's decision to help pave the way for Thatcher, however, cost them dear, losing 9 of their 11 seats at the subsequent GE.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

It was opposed because of, believe it or not, cross border Tampax raids! https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-government-criticised-over-tampon-21469707

But ultimately they did implement it which would suggest that tweaks were made to the original bill put forward by Labour (and backed by the tories) to make the policy workable while limiting abuse.

[Santa Cruz]

But ultimately they did implement it which would suggest that tweaks were made to the original bill put forward by Labour (and backed by the tories) to make the policy workable while limiting abuse.

I thought it was the Greens who backed the original bill, I might have that wrong.

[archie]

But ultimately they did implement it which would suggest that tweaks were made to the original bill put forward by Labour (and backed by the tories) to make the policy workable while limiting abuse.

Or they were shamed into it!

[TrumpIsAPeado]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/20/honourable-behaviour-by-whips-that-led-to-thatcher

That story of the 'pairing convention' revealed an honour among party whips that it's all but impossible to imagine occurring today.

The SNP's decision to help pave the way for Thatcher, however, cost them dear, losing 9 of their 11 seats at the subsequent GE.

You can frame it however you like. It was Labour's own responsibility and they ultimately took the decision that led to a Thatcher Government. I'm sure both Thatcher and Labour were delighted with the impact that it had on the SNP considering their joint anti-devolution agenda. Worked out for the SNP in the long run though.

[archie]

Difference is, the SNP worked with the tories as the leading party, because the alternatives flat out refused to work with them. Labour didn't need to do deals with the tories in local councils, especially councils where the SNP won the highest vote share. You're creating false equivalences.

SNP deals with Tories - good. Labour deals with Tories - bad.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

I thought it was the Greens who backed the original bill, I might have that wrong.

Nope. Read the article. Jackson Carlaw fully backed the original bill with it's flaws.


Or they were shamed into it!

Or made to look as if they were shamed into it, when the devil was in the detail of the original bill.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

SNP deals with Tories - good. Labour deals with Tories - bad.

You make very overly simplistic equivalences that you know yourself are nonsensical.

[archie]

You make very overly simplistic equivalences that you know yourself are nonsensical.

Nothing non-sensical about it. You hate deals with the Tories except when the SNP do it. But maybe we can agree on this, that coalitions, informal or otherwise, are legitimate when circumstances require them.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Nothing non-sensical about it. You hate deals with the Tories except when the SNP do it. But maybe we can agree on this, that coalitions, informal or otherwise, are legitimate when circumstances require them.

The SNP had to work with the tories in 2007 because Labour gave them the middle finger. Labour had the option to work with the SNP in those councils and chose to form actual coalitions with the tories, again, giving the SNP the middle finger.

[archie]

The SNP had to work with the tories in 2007 because Labour gave them the middle finger. Labour had the option to work with the SNP in those councils and chose to form actual coalitions with the tories, again, giving the SNP the middle finger.

You know all the details then? Did the SNP offer Labour a deal? Labour might have thought let's work collectively across the Parliament, but the Tory SNP alliance meant that couldn't happen.

[Glory Lurker]

The SNP had to work with the tories in 2007 because Labour gave them the middle finger. Labour had the option to work with the SNP in those councils and chose to form actual coalitions with the tories, again, giving the SNP the middle finger.

The Bain Principle.

[ronaldo7]

I don't think it is an assumption, why would Monica Lennon receive thanks from the committee convener for bringing the Bill to parliament and raising awareness if that was the case. Do you not have an opinion on the free school dinners pilot u-turn by the SNP?

Gillian Martin and Julie Hepburn were discussing period poverty in the SNP since 2016. It was discussed at policy level, and was finally accepted when the money could be found. Monica Lennon brought forward her bill after this and was supported by both Gillian and Julie.

Well done to them all.

[Berwickhibby]

Oh surprise surprise https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23497304.snp-councillors-complained-sex-pest-punished-party/?fbclid=IwAR1bYLosVme_b4HXW-VJH-WiHJbbKt3HaWASi6pNrXya9u2a4gb56bJ8iIY :greengrin:greengrin

[ronaldo7]

Oh surprise surprise https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23497304.snp-councillors-complained-sex-pest-punished-party/?fbclid=IwAR1bYLosVme_b4HXW-VJH-WiHJbbKt3HaWASi6pNrXya9u2a4gb56bJ8iIY :greengrin:greengrin

I saw this on the Labour party thread earlier. You guys are better than the BBC.

[archie]

I saw this on the Labour party thread earlier. You guys are better than the BBC.

Well it's important that we are all fully informed!

[Berwickhibby]

I saw this on the Labour party thread earlier. You guys are better than the BBC.

Just popped up on Facebook…. IF this accurate it’s bloody scandalous as the Councillors regardless of which party they represent we’re doing the right thing.

[ronaldo7]

Well it's important that we are all fully informed!

How many members does Scottish Labour have? 😆😆

[ronaldo7]

Just popped up on Facebook…. IF this accurate it’s bloody scandalous as the Councillors regardless of which party they represent we’re doing the right thing.

👍

[archie]

How many members does Scottish Labour have? 😆😆

No idea. But I'm not aware that their head of Comms and Cheif Exec have had to resign over lying about membership numbers?

[ronaldo7]

No idea. But I'm not aware that their head of Comms and Cheif Exec have had to resign over lying about membership numbers?

So much for being fully informed then.

That transparency is overrated. 😂

[marinello59]

No idea. But I'm not aware that their head of Comms and Cheif Exec have had to resign over lying about membership numbers?

Unless a party is lying to candidates in an internal election about the size of the electorate as the SNP did it’s nobody’s business but theirs really how many members they have. I doubt anybody really cares normally.

[archie]

So much for being fully informed then.

That transparency is overrated. 😂

I think Ed Sheeran is overrated but I can't seem to avoid him either!

[danhibees1875]

I'll bet there's only maybe a couple people on here know who Hibs auditors are and maybe even the last time they were changed.

We all have a big interest in Hibs (probably) and more than a few of us will be shareholders. We should all know these things 😆

I'm a shareholder and I spent 4 years as an auditor so have a higher than normal interest in the boring stuff like that, and I've completely forgotten who our auditors are. :greengrin

[He's here!]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/labour-move-ahead-of-snp-in-poll-4129339

Labour moves ahead of SNP in list vote according to poll, while support for independence also falls.

[Berwickhibby]

I'm a shareholder and I spent 4 years as an auditor so have a higher than normal interest in the boring stuff like that, and I've completely forgotten who our auditors are. :greengrin



Thomson Cooper 3 Castle Court Carnegie Campus Dunfermline
Fife
KY11 8PB

On the Clubs official website and as stated earlier took less than 30 seconds to find.

[danhibees1875]

Thomson Cooper 3 Castle Court Carnegie Campus Dunfermline
Fife
KY11 8PB

On the Clubs official website and as stated earlier took less than 30 seconds to find.

I know it's easy to find out but thats different to knowing/remembering, I was just replying to the point madd that noone really cares who audits hibs. :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

Thomson Cooper 3 Castle Court Carnegie Campus Dunfermline
Fife
KY11 8PB

On the Clubs official website and as stated earlier took less than 30 seconds to find.

Just like that! 😉

[archie]

I'm a shareholder and I spent 4 years as an auditor so have a higher than normal interest in the boring stuff like that, and I've completely forgotten who our auditors are. :greengrin

It's like a lot of these process things. No one cares when it's done in the normal order of business. It's when you don't carry out tge normal order of business that it becomes an issue.

[Ozyhibby]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/holyrood-sources/id1673972192?i=1000611612362

Excellent interview with Joanna Cherry. Good to hear about the work she does away from gender issues. And decent assessments of what the SNP need moving forward. She’ll never be a leader but does have some decent insights.


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[He's here!]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/holyrood-sources/id1673972192?i=1000611612362

Excellent interview with Joanna Cherry. Good to hear about the work she does away from gender issues. And decent assessments of what the SNP need moving forward. She’ll never be a leader but does have some decent insights.


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Unusual for you to have anything positive to say about her ;-)

[Ozyhibby]

Unusual for you to have anything positive to say about her ;-)

She not a politician who tries to persuade. Usually she just wants to bludgeon opponents with her intellect.
I prefer a politician who tries to take the public with them.
I praised Sarwar on here last week as well. I can usually recognise some good in most politicians. Been hard in London recently though.


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[147lothian]

She not a politician who tries to persuade. Usually she just wants to bludgeon opponents with her intellect.
I prefer a politician who tries to take the public with them.
I praised Sarwar on here last week as well. I can usually recognise some good in most politicians. Been hard in London recently though.


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What the SNP are doing to Joanna Cherry is illegal


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTorviKFOww

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65479990

Free school meals for primary kids not cancelled.


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[Ozyhibby]

What the SNP are doing to Joanna Cherry is illegal


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTorviKFOww

What the SNP are doing? Please explain?


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[ronaldo7]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65479990

Free school meals for primary kids not cancelled.


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Never in doubt. :saltireflag

[TrumpIsAPeado]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65479990

Free school meals for primary kids not cancelled.


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The policy of free school meals for primary school kids was never in question. It's the plan for free school meals for secondary school pupils that is being looked at and reconsidered.

[Ozyhibby]

The policy of free school meals for primary school kids was never in question. It's the plan for free school meals for secondary school pupils that is being looked at and reconsidered.

Was there even a date for that? I hadn’t even realised that was the plan?


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

Was there even a date for that? I hadn’t even realised that was the plan?


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The original plan (under Nicola Sturgeon) was to extend free school meals across secondary schools as well. This is what Humza Yousaf is reported to be looking at again.

[archie]

Was there even a date for that? I hadn’t even realised that was the plan?


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According to the Deputy First Minister there was.

[ronaldo7]

Was there even a date for that? I hadn’t even realised that was the plan?


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They talked about pilots in a few areas to see if it would be a goer.

[Ozyhibby]

They talked about pilots in a few areas to see if it would be a goer.

Fair enough. To be honest I’m in favour of it. There are benefits to society in making having children more affordable for all. We are not having enough kids in Scotland. And the very richest kids in private schools wouldn’t be getting it so it would not be totally universal.
Still, happy to wait. Main focus needs to be on getting growth going again in Scotland and Humza appears to be a bit more business focussed than Sturgeon.


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[Mibbes Aye]

Fair enough. To be honest I’m in favour of it. There are benefits to society in making having children more affordable for all. We are not having enough kids in Scotland. And the very richest kids in private schools wouldn’t be getting it so it would not be totally universal.
Still, happy to wait. Main focus needs to be on getting growth going again in Scotland and Humza appears to be a bit more business focussed than Sturgeon.


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You and that Keir. Brothers from a different mother :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

You and that Keir. Brothers from a different mother :greengrin

Possibly. The centre left is a busy place in Scotland. I’m in favour of free education though.[emoji6]


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[Skol]

She not a politician who tries to persuade. Usually she just wants to bludgeon opponents with her intellect.
I prefer a politician who tries to take the public with them.
I praised Sarwar on here last week as well. I can usually recognise some good in most politicians. Been hard in London recently though.


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Wonder why you were such a fan of sturgeon. I guess she tried to take the public with her. Sadly only 45% of them though. Less when she decided women’s views were not valid.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Wonder why you were such a fan of sturgeon. I guess she tried to take the public with her. Sadly only 45% of them though. Less when she decided women’s views were not valid.

I wonder if women in Ireland, Spain or Canada realize that their views are no longer valid?

[Skol]

I wonder if women in Ireland, Spain or Canada realize that their views are no longer valid?

I presume their leaders didn’t ever say their views were invalid.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

I presume their leaders didn’t ever say their views were invalid.

I don't recall Nicola Sturgeon ever saying this either.

[Mibbes Aye]

Possibly. The centre left is a busy place in Scotland. I’m in favour of free education though.[emoji6]


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It's not free, though. The taxpayer foots the bill. But there are decent arguments as to why that's better or worse than graduate tax etc. Personally, I'm not ideological about any of them. There's enough of that going on in the curriculum debates :greengrin

At the risk of taking this away from the SNP, I'm quietly impressed with Bridget Phillipson for Labour at Westminster. If elected I think she will do well. Up here I don't really know much about Gilruth's ministerial track record, but it was a promotion into the Education slot, so I'm assuming she is highly thought-of. The Higher Education minister I really have never heard of.

[Skol]

I don't recall Nicola Sturgeon ever saying this either.

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,nicola-sturgeon-says-fears-over-reform-of-gender-recognition-act-are-not-valid

[TrumpIsAPeado]

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,nicola-sturgeon-says-fears-over-reform-of-gender-recognition-act-are-not-valid

Not quite the same thing you're suggesting.

[He's here!]

She not a politician who tries to persuade. Usually she just wants to bludgeon opponents with her intellect.
I prefer a politician who tries to take the public with them.
I praised Sarwar on here last week as well. I can usually recognise some good in most politicians. Been hard in London recently though.


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She doesn't spare Sturgeon in that podcast: "The party is intellectually dead from the neck up because it hasn't been allowed to have an intellectual debate for years".

[Ozyhibby]

She doesn't spare Sturgeon in that podcast: "The party is intellectually dead from the neck up because it hasn't been allowed to have an intellectual debate for years".

Kind of makes my point.


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[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65468868.amp

The creation of Police Scotland cited by each of them as a major contributory issue here.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65468868.amp

The creation of Police Scotland cited by each of them as a major contributory issue here.

My wife used to work for L&B police. It predates Police Scotland.


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[He's here!]

My wife used to work for L&B police. It predates Police Scotland.


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Not sure what your point is? I'm noting that each of the women who appeared on Newsnight identifies the replacement of what went before by one nationwide police body as a major reason the culture has worsened.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65498865

Not exactly money well spent bearing in mind how Sturgeonism unravelled in her final year...

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65498865

Not exactly money well spent bearing in mind how Sturgeonism unravelled in her final year...

Govt hires staff. [emoji849]


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65498865

Not exactly money well spent bearing in mind how Sturgeonism unravelled in her final year...

Not sure how you can claim that "Sturgeonism unravelled". She stood down. It's not as if she was sacked for breaking her own lockdown rules and misleading parliament several thousand times over. The best unionists have to cling on to following her resignation is an investigation that isn't going anywhere, hyped up as murder charges by the Daily Express.

[degenerated]

Not sure how you can claim that "Sturgeonism unravelled". She stood down. It's not as if she was sacked for breaking her own lockdown rules and misleading parliament several thousand times over. The best unionists have to cling on to following her resignation is an investigation that isn't going anywhere, hyped up as murder charges by the Daily Express.Clinging desperately on to the hope that the long arm of the law is able to find the pens, pots, pans, razors and wheelbarrow that are at the crux of this investigation. :greengrin

[degenerated]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65498865

Not exactly money well spent bearing in mind how Sturgeonism unravelled in her final year...Surely better spent than the £1.5 million spent in 2 years on advisors by Viceroy Alister Jack at his unnecessary colonial department.

26710

[Mibbes Aye]

Govt hires staff. [emoji849]


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They obviously weren't on performance-related pay.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65513265

[degenerated]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65513265The main thing we can take from that is that it pretty much confirms the leaks are coming from the police.

[archie]

The main thing we can take from that is that it pretty much confirms the leaks are coming from the police.

Maybe in response to other leaks?

[Berwickhibby]

Maybe in response to other leaks?

I take from it as good practice with checks and balances on legality being undertook.

[grunt]

I take from it as good practice with checks and balances on legality being undertook.
Doesn't seem to have anything whatsoever to do with checking the legality.


According to one senior police source, a peer review is typically "conducted to check on the status, strategy and direction of an investigation".Anyway, why would the police need to check on the legality when, as you've been saying all the time, this is a Procurator Fiscal lead enquiry?

[Berwickhibby]

Doesn't seem to have anything whatsoever to do with checking the legality.

Anyway, why would the police need to check on the legality when, as you've been saying all the time, this is a Procurator Fiscal lead enquiry?

Regardless if it’s PFS or CPS there is laws on evidence gathering PACE 84 in England, unsure of the legislation in Scotland. However the **** will hit the fan when this enquiry is finished, especially if no charges are brought. Police Scotland will be able to prove that they did not step over legal boundaries.

[grunt]

Regardless if it’s PFS or CPS there is laws on evidence gathering PACE 84 in England, unsure of the legislation in Scotland. However the **** will hit the fan when this enquiry is finished, especially if no charges are brought. Police Scotland will be able to prove that they did not step over legal boundaries.
But if the police are solely evidence gatherers on behalf of the PFS, why would the police need to check on the status, strategy and direction of the investigation? Doesn't make any sense at all.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65498865

Not exactly money well spent bearing in mind how Sturgeonism unravelled in her final year...

Interesting leak. Police getting nervous and trying to cover themselves?


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[Berwickhibby]

But if the police are solely evidence gatherers on behalf of the PFS, why would the police need to check on the status, strategy and direction of the investigation? Doesn't make any sense at all.

Bear in mind the police refused to accept the early complaints as the allegation’s did not reach the threshold for an investigation. This is now thrust upon them and they will be sure that every arse covering system will be in place.

[marinello59]

Interesting leak. Police getting nervous and trying to cover themselves?


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It wasn’t a leak and I’m not sure what it had to do with the police. :greengrin

Edit. Got it, you’ve quoted the wrong link.

[Jack]

Blummin heck it's gone quiet in here! And other places.

None of the combatants PMs?

[grunt]

Blummin heck it's gone quiet in here! And other places.

None of the combatants PMs?Perhaps they've all realised that the SNP aren't lying *******s?

[Hibbyradge]

Perhaps they've all realised that the SNP aren't lying *******s?

Oh please!

They're politicians.

[Hibrandenburg]

Blummin heck it's gone quiet in here! And other places.

None of the combatants PMs?

It almost makes me want to look at the main board.

[WhileTheChief..]

Main board is pretty quiet too, has been for a while recently.

Guess there's not been much happening or to discuss there and folk are a bit more wary of posting on here now.

[grunt]

Oh please!

They're politicians.It seems I forgot to add the :wink: to my post.

[Stairway 2 7]

I gave this and the Labour thread a swerve for a week. I also avoided the coronation threads as noticed it was impossible to avoid the coronation on here but easy outside

The supporters in both snp/Labour threads equally go like a pack on the attack and are incapable of taking criticism. There's also posters that are only here to argue and put words in people's mouths. Most of the thread is pretty toxic to be honest and almost all wouldn't speak to each other they way they do if it wasn't behind a keyboard. Perhaps the warnings have worked

The UK is knackered but it's less depressing on average than it is on this board. Reading and posting constant negative posts can't be healthy.

[Hibbyradge]

It seems I forgot to add the :wink: to my post.

Me too! 😃

[Hibbyradge]

I gave this and the Labour thread a swerve for a week. I also avoided the coronation threads as noticed it was impossible to avoid the coronation on here but easy outside

The supporters in both snp/Labour threads equally go like a pack on the attack and are incapable of taking criticism. There's also posters that are only here to argue and put words in people's mouths. Most of the thread is pretty toxic to be honest and almost all wouldn't speak to each other they way they do if it wasn't behind a keyboard. Perhaps the warnings have worked

The UK is knackered but it's less depressing on average than it is on this board. Reading and posting constant negative posts can't be healthy.

The Labour, SNP and Tories threads could all be merged into a single "Your party is terrible, mine is brilliant, na na na" thread.

It's just people taking pot shots at others whilst defending their own position. I guess it must be fun for those who do it, but it really has no value.

I'm occasionally tempted to contribute but I do so far less often than I used to.

I've often been thought I should delete my original post in the Labour thread which would vanish the whole thing, partly because it's turned into a bun fight, but also to see what it would look like when all these avowed enemies who enjoy criticising each others' party's collaboration, join forces to condemn me! :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

The Labour, SNP and Tories threads could all be merged into a single "Your party is terrible, mine is brilliant, na na na" thread.

It's just people taking pot shots at others whilst defending their own position. I guess it must be fun for those who do it, but it really has no value.

I'm occasionally tempted to contribute but I do so far less often than I used to.

I've often been thought I should delete my original post in the Labour thread which would vanish the whole thing, partly because it's turned into a bun fight, but also to see what it would look like when all these avowed enemies who enjoy criticising each others' party's collaboration, join forces to condemn me! :wink:

Has anyone mentioned the bullying accusations against AC-H and the Lib Dems?


:greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

Has anyone mentioned the bullying accusations against AC-H and the Lib Dems?


:greengrin

Oi!! Start yer own thread 😁

[WhileTheChief..]

I gave this and the Labour thread a swerve for a week. I also avoided the coronation threads as noticed it was impossible to avoid the coronation on here but easy outside

The supporters in both snp/Labour threads equally go like a pack on the attack and are incapable of taking criticism. There's also posters that are only here to argue and put words in people's mouths. Most of the thread is pretty toxic to be honest and almost all wouldn't speak to each other they way they do if it wasn't behind a keyboard. Perhaps the warnings have worked

The UK is knackered but it's less depressing on average than it is on this board. Reading and posting constant negative posts can't be healthy.

:top marksCouldn't agree more.

I rarely post in the Holy Ground now, and when I do, it's not in any of the political threads, preferring instead just to read them or the links that get posted.

[Moulin Yarns]

:top marksCouldn't agree more.

I rarely post in the Holy Ground now, and when I do, it's not in any of the political threads, preferring instead just to read them or the links that get posted.

Em!! You've posted on one of the political threads 😂

[One Day Soon]

Main board is pretty quiet too, has been for a while recently.

Guess there's not been much happening or to discuss there and folk are a bit more wary of posting on here now.


It does seem to have been a LOT more pleasant in here for the last few days. Clearly something has happened, what did I miss?

[Ozyhibby]

It does seem to have been a LOT more pleasant in here for the last few days. Clearly something has happened, what did I miss?

Much better.[emoji106]


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[CropleyWasGod]

It does seem to have been a LOT more pleasant in here for the last few days. Clearly something has happened, what did I miss?

This?

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?362273-Important-Update-Regarding-the-Holy-Ground-Forum-Please-Read

[WhileTheChief..]

Em!! You've posted on one of the political threads 😂

Yeah, I know. What's the point in your post? The smiley doesn't make it funny.

Maybe you missed the bit where we're trying to be less argumentative here.

[One Day Soon]

This?

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?362273-Important-Update-Regarding-the-Holy-Ground-Forum-Please-Read


Like. Has there been some mutual consenting too? Feels like it.

[CropleyWasGod]

Like. Has there been some mutual consenting too? Feels like it.

Dunno.

I'm not clued-up on these things, but my assumption was that many who participate in the HG aren't private members.

[Stairway 2 7]

Dunno.

I'm not clued-up on these things, but my assumption was that many who participate in the HG aren't private members.

I bet there are quite a few alter egos on here too, might pay for one but not both. A lot of regular posters have been absent since the PM only, tight gits ha

[J-C]

I bet there are quite a few alter egos on here too, might pay for one but not both. A lot of regular posters have been absent since the PM only, tight gits ha


TBF some of the threads just became a tit for tat slagging match that went round in circles, these forums are a wee extra and I'm sure the admin couldn't be bothered popping in here all the time telling posters off.

[Ozyhibby]

Yousaf is turning into a very good FMQ’s performer.


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[weecounty hibby]

Yousaf is turning into a very good FMQ’s performer.


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Yeah, I agree. I think he may have been underestimated in some circles. I caveat that with his opposition is pretty average

[CropleyWasGod]

I bet there are quite a few alter egos on here too, might pay for one but not both. A lot of regular posters have been absent since the PM only, tight gits ha

People do that?

I should get out more (or stay in, or something)

[Just Alf]

TBF some of the threads just became a tit for tat slagging match that went round in circles, these forums are a wee extra and I'm sure the admin couldn't be bothered popping in here all the time telling posters off.Agreed, used to really enjoy the politics stuff getting others considered opinions was good way to understand how your own views sat measured against others. Made you think about things more.

Then it became the two or three posters being contrary to evey post and without fail daily taking threads off track.
Oops!.. I'm doing that now! :greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

Agreed, used to really enjoy the politics stuff getting others considered opinions was good way to understand how your own views sat measured against others. Made you think about things more.

Then it became the two or three posters being contrary to evey post and without fail daily taking threads off track.
Oops!.. I'm doing that now! :greengrin

Yup. I much prefer reading posts that I disagree with than those with similar views to myself.

It's the tone or nature of the disagreement that causes the fights, not the actual views being made. There's a few posters here that I pretty much always disagree with in the Holy Ground but we've never had a cross word between us.

[Ozyhibby]

I see the Stand comedy club backed down. Inevitable.


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[grunt]

I see the Stand comedy club backed down. Inevitable.
Didn't have a leg to stand on.

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-crime-commissioner-triggered-two-police-investigations-into-political-opponents-during-local-elections-bid-12879194

Politically motivated police investigations? Surely couldn’t happen in the UK? [emoji849]


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[Just Alf]

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-crime-commissioner-triggered-two-police-investigations-into-political-opponents-during-local-elections-bid-12879194

Politically motivated police investigations? Surely couldn’t happen in the UK? [emoji849]


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Then I thought about it... :agree:

[danhibees1875]

I see the Stand comedy club backed down. Inevitable.


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It sounded as though there was a legal basis that they had to, which I'd have to say I'm surprised at.

I've not kept entirely abreast of the whole thing with Cherry and any comments on trans/feminist issues that seemed to be at the heart of it but it seems to me like the staff of the venue didn't want to take the shift on for her event and so the venue opted to not have her show. It feels like that should be within their rights to do. :dunno:

[CropleyWasGod]

It sounded as though there was a legal basis that they had to, which I'd have to say I'm surprised at.

I've not kept entirely abreast of the whole thing with Cherry and any comments on trans/feminist issues that seemed to be at the heart of it but it seems to me like the staff of the venue didn't want to take the shift on for her event and so the venue opted to not have her show. It feels like that should be within their rights to do. :dunno:

The issue for the venue now, IMO, is to protect their staff. As recent events at Edinburgh Uni show, where TRA's go, GC's go, and vice versa. It won't be a pleasant evening, unfortunately.

[Ozyhibby]

The issue for the venue now, IMO, is to protect their staff. As recent events at Edinburgh Uni show, where TRA's go, GC's go, and vice versa. It won 't be a pleasant evening, unfortunately.

That’s an issue for everyone. We can’t have that happening and whatever security is needed will need to be provided. That includes a police presence.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The stand backing down shows to me that Cherry KC knows the law better than randoms. Can see female sport events that allow only biological females being disrupted now. There is only one opinion allowed for some

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The Sunday Mason today exclusively reveal that the SNP has an Amazon prime account and that the motorhome was driven north from dealer by two men.
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The Sunday Mason today exclusively reveal that the SNP has an Amazon prime account and that the motorhome was driven north from dealer by two men.
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"1000 items probed as witnesses re-interviewed".

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"1000 items probed as witnesses re-interviewed".Sounds legit26729