SNP are lying b******s as well !

[SteveHFC]

BBC Scotland understands Peter Murrell has resigned his SNP membership.

[Ozyhibby]

BBC Scotland understands Peter Murrell has resigned his SNP membership.

As he should.


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[Keith_M]

“A 59-year-old man has today, Thursday 18 April 2024, been charged in connection with the embezzlement of funds from the Scottish National party.


Finally, some action.

If he actually has been involved in embezzlement, then he should be prosecuted.

[Paul1642]

If there was an actual green party focused on green policy and independence I might vote for them, these nutters nah

This sums up my political feeling in a nutshell. It thoroughly annoys me that these idiots play their games under the name of the Greem Party, potentially depriving us of of an actually competent Green Party who could appeal to the many who want climate action without the polarising politics which only appeal to a small minority.

[grunt]

My guess is he will be the only person charged.
Like you say, innocent until proven guilty but looks like the law taking its course regardless of how powerful the person under suspicion is.
If he's guilty, then presumably Sturgeon must have known about it. Finding him guilty, even if he's the only one charged, will do enormous damage to the SNP and Sturgeon's legacy. IMO. Hugely disappointing.

[Ozyhibby]

If he's guilty, then presumably Sturgeon must have known about it. Finding him guilty, even if he's the only one charged, will do enormous damage to the SNP and Sturgeon's legacy. IMO. Hugely disappointing.

Sturgeons knowledge is key to any lasting damage. It appears the SNP is the victim given the charges brought.


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[Pretty Boy]

I bet breakfast is a barrel of laughs in the Murrell/Sturgeon household this morning.

I'm just glad there is some kind of resolution now. It's in the hands of the PF and the judiciary and just like anyone else Murrell will now be tried in front of a jury of his peers. I daresay finding a jury without preconceptions or prejudices won't be the easiest job in the world, he's probably equally unpopular regardless of what side of the constitutional debate you are on right now.

I think the political fallout largely hinges on how much NS knew or indeed didn't know. I would assume once any criminal proceedings are completed and if there is a guilty verdict then there will be an enquiry within the SNP to determine such things. If she comes out of it well then her legacy and reputation may survive and any damage to the party in terms of votes may be minimised. Making the process as transparent as possible and owning any failures would probably help as well. If she comes out of it badly or there is any hint of obstruction or a lack of transparency around the process then it could be hugely damaging.

A whole host of if and but there of course and I'm sure the process has a way to run yet.

[Stairway 2 7]

Definitely not wise for Humza to have went big with the continuity candidate during leadership election. If he's guilty the SNP have to distance and slam Murrell. It'll effect the SNP in these elections and I think Humza is gone regardless.

The next leader should be from the new school and they will rightly be able to separate the party from the past.

[Ozyhibby]

Definitely not wise for Humza to have went big with the continuity candidate during leadership election. If he's guilty the SNP have to distance and slam Murrell. It'll effect the SNP in these elections and I think Humza is gone regardless.

The next leader should be from the new school and they will rightly be able to separate the party from the past.

Not to mention the fact that he can’t get on top of the job. He is getting pushed around all over the place. I doubt Yousaf survives this past the election.


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[Caversham Green]

I bet breakfast is a barrel of laughs in the Murrell/Sturgeon household this morning.

I'm just glad there is some kind of resolution now. It's in the hands of the PF and the judiciary and just like anyone else Murrell will now be tried in front of a jury of his peers. I daresay finding a jury without preconceptions or prejudices won't be the easiest job in the world, he's probably equally unpopular regardless of what side of the constitutional debate you are on right now.

I think the political fallout largely hinges on how much NS knew or indeed didn't know. I would assume once any criminal proceedings are completed and if there is a guilty verdict then there will be an enquiry within the SNP to determine such things. If she comes out of it well then her legacy and reputation may survive and any damage to the party in terms of votes may be minimised. Making the process as transparent as possible and owning any failures would probably help as well. If she comes out of it badly or there is any hint of obstruction or a lack of transparency around the process then it could be hugely damaging.

A whole host of if and but there of course and I'm sure the process has a way to run yet.

It's difficult to believe she didn't know what was going on (assuming something was going on) given she was the party leader and it was her husband doing the alleged embezzlement. She also has a legal background so she can't really claim ignorance in that respect. Her not knowing would suggest very weak leadership on her part in any case.

I think even in the event of a not guilty verdict (assuming it gets to court) her reputation is shot. The best she can hope for IMO is that the charges are dropped.

[Berwickhibby]

I hope it goes to court and we actually get to see what evidence of criminality there allegedly is, so we can actually make our own judgement on this high profile and expensive investigation.

[Kato]

I hope it goes to court and we actually get to see what evidence of criminality there allegedly is, so we can actually make our own judgement on this high profile and expensive investigation.It'll most likely be in court during the next general election .

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[marinello59]

I bet breakfast is a barrel of laughs in the Murrell/Sturgeon household this morning.

I'm just glad there is some kind of resolution now. It's in the hands of the PF and the judiciary and just like anyone else Murrell will now be tried in front of a jury of his peers. I daresay finding a jury without preconceptions or prejudices won't be the easiest job in the world, he's probably equally unpopular regardless of what side of the constitutional debate you are on right now.

I think the political fallout largely hinges on how much NS knew or indeed didn't know. I would assume once any criminal proceedings are completed and if there is a guilty verdict then there will be an enquiry within the SNP to determine such things. If she comes out of it well then her legacy and reputation may survive and any damage to the party in terms of votes may be minimised. Making the process as transparent as possible and owning any failures would probably help as well. If she comes out of it badly or there is any hint of obstruction or a lack of transparency around the process then it could be hugely damaging.

A whole host of if and but there of course and I'm sure the process has a way to run yet.

Her reputation was holed beneath the waterline following her appearance at the Covid enquiry.
If Murrell is found guilty it won’t really matter whether it is established that she knew what her husband was up to, the video previously released of her shutting down any discussion about the party finances will be replayed constantly.
A guilty verdict will definitely damage the party. Murrell was at the top of the tree for over a decade. Having a husband and wife team heading up the party of Government together never looked to clever and several senior party members suggested that Murrell should stand down, advice which was ignored. In hindsight that looks arrogant.
I feel a lot of sympathy for Nicola Sturgeon here. My gut feeling is that if Murrell is guilty she had no knowledge at all. We know about some of the items that were removed from the family home and we can only assume that they were given to her as gifts from her husband. She will have sufffered enough already, her husband being charged can only have made things worse. I hope she has a strong circle of close friends to get her through this.

[Moulin Yarns]

I heard a legal expert describing embezzlement as having lots of level of seriousness. From taking a fiver out of the till to buy milk and then repaying it all the way up to stealing millions with no intentions of repayment. We'll have to wait and see.

[RyeSloan]

Pure speculation of course but I’m minded to think that the £600k thing just turned into a thread that was pulled that ended up revealing rather more murky goings on than expected.

We know for a fact that there was a serious lack of transparency around the SNP finances (see multiple previous resignations saying as such) and I wonder rather than classic embezzlement for personal gain this may turn out to be more of an inappropriate use of funds type charge.

As for Nicola’s knowledge of said goings on…we shall have to wait n see. Still under investigation according to Plod. We may of course never get to find out, just like we may of course never see the current charge get to court.

A rather sorry mess though that’s for sure and one that should and could have been avoided by the removal of the often stated conflicts of interest that were tolerated for far too long.

[Moulin Yarns]

Pure speculation of course but I’m minded to think that the £600k thing just turned into a thread that was pulled that ended up revealing rather more murky goings on than expected.

We know for a fact that there was a serious lack of transparency around the SNP finances (see multiple previous resignations saying as such) and I wonder rather than classic embezzlement for personal gain this may turn out to be more of an inappropriate use of funds type charge.

As for Nicola’s knowledge of said goings on…we shall have to wait n see. Still under investigation according to Plod. We may of course never get to find out, just like we may of course never see the current charge get to court.

A rather sorry mess though that’s for sure and one that should and could have been avoided by the removal of the often stated conflicts of interest that were tolerated for far too long.

Your second paragraph is where I'm at. This all started with someone (not an snp member) who was miffed that his donation to the indyref2 campaign was used for other purposes. But would any political party be likely to leave £660k in the bank doing nothing?

[Berwickhibby]

Your second paragraph is where I'm at. This all started with someone (not an snp member) who was miffed that his donation to the indyref2 campaign was used for other purposes. But would any political party be likely to leave £660k in the bank doing nothing?

The law states “Embezzlement is when a person who is entrusted to manage another person's money or property steals some or all of that money or property for personal gain.” Suggests to me that he did not use funds for other official Party use. If he is innocent then I imagine there will be a huge civil suit with a huge compensation pay out at the taxpayers expense.

[marinello59]

I heard a legal expert describing embezzlement as having lots of level of seriousness. From taking a fiver out of the till to buy milk and then repaying it all the way up to stealing millions with no intentions of repayment. We'll have to wait and see.

I wonder how much he got paid for that level of insight. :greengrin

[SteveHFC]

The Scottish Greens have called an extraordinary general meeting to discuss the future of the Bute House Agreement after the Scottish government ditched key climate change targets.

[Ozyhibby]

The Scottish Greens have called an extraordinary general meeting to discuss the future of the Bute House Agreement after the Scottish government ditched key climate change targets.

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[SteveHFC]

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Hopefully it happens. :agree:

[marinello59]

The Scottish Greens have called an extraordinary general meeting to discuss the future of the Bute House Agreement after the Scottish government ditched key climate change targets.

The two Green ministers will be gutted to lose their ministerial salaries. , they are for going nowhere. We need a decent Green Party in Scotland, not the one we have dominated by these two incompetent careerists. They’ve both been a shameful waste of public money.

[Pretty Boy]

The two Green ministers will be gutted to lose their ministerial salaries. , they are for going nowhere. We need a decent Green Party in Scotland, not the one we have dominated by these two incompetent careerists. They’ve both been a shameful waste of public money.

Every time I read Andy Wightman on Twitter I am reminded what a loss he was to the frontline Green movement in Scotland. He was shamefully dismissed by many as a non entity and whatever else because he dared disagree with the Scottish Government on a policy issue. The treatment he received from some in his own party was a disgrace.

His writings on land ownership and the failings of government on that issue are excellent, he directly links it to climate issues. He's also brilliant at linking such issues to the housing crisis. His regular reminders that the Scottish Government have promised an integrated travel card for well over a decade now with at least 3 launches saying as much are quite amusing albeit with a serious point. He also writes well about the failings of the independence movement and the mistaken belief that faith alone can drive it home.

Harvie and Slater are the worst kind of gesture politicians with a vindictive streak in them to boot. The party under their leadership has seen what can only be called a purge of those who don't toe the line. They need a reset with a genuine focus on ecology and a common sense and sustainable vision for the green movement. The natural environment in Scotland should be at the heart of what they do, largely because it impacts so many other issues. For the last few years it quite simply hasn't been the case.

[wookie70]

Every time I read Andy Wightman on Twitter I am reminded what a loss he was to the frontline Green movement in Scotland. He was shamefully dismissed by many as a non entity and whatever else because he dared disagree with the Scottish Government on a policy issue. The treatment he received from some in his own party was a disgrace.

His writings on land ownership and the failings of government on that issue are excellent, he directly links it to climate issues. He's also brilliant at linking such issues to the housing crisis. His regular reminders that the Scottish Government have promised an integrated travel card for well over a decade now with at least 3 launches saying as much are quite amusing albeit with a serious point. He also writes well about the failings of the independence movement and the mistaken belief that faith alone can drive it home.

Harvie and Slater are the worst kind of gesture politicians with a vindictive streak in them to boot. The party under their leadership has seen what can only be called a purge of those who don't toe the line. They need a reset with a genuine focus on ecology and a common sense and sustainable vision for the green movement. The natural environment in Scotland should be at the heart of what they do, largely because it impacts so many other issues. For the last few years it quite simply hasn't been the case.

Andy Wightman and his thoughts on Land Ownership are similar, if a bit less radical, to mine. I simply cannot understand why they haven't become mainstream and a way to drive Independence through

[Ozyhibby]

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[Pretty Boy]

Poor Humza has had a bit of a mare with his comments on the Post office scandal and prosecutions.

[Berwickhibby]

Poor Humza has had a bit of a mare with his comments on the Post office scandal and prosecutions.

That’s because he is an idiot …over promoted and should be nowhere near the First Minister position

[hibee]

Poor Humza has had a bit of a mare with his comments on the Post office scandal and prosecutions.

The man is completely incompetent but it does make a change from him constantly talking about religion, the sooner he’s gone the better.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.scottishfinancialnews.com/articles/scotlands-attractiveness-draws-thousands-more-taxpayers-than-it-loses

People voting with their feet.


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[lapsedhibee]

https://www.scottishfinancialnews.com/articles/scotlands-attractiveness-draws-thousands-more-taxpayers-than-it-loses

People voting with their feet.


It's almost as if real people think there's more to life than the precise level of tax they pay. Who knew? :dunno:

[marinello59]

It's almost as if real people think there's more to life than the precise level of tax they pay. Who knew? :dunno:

Maybe something Yousaf should have thought about before taking the off the cuff decision to freeze council tax after a by election drubbing.

[grunt]

Maybe something Yousaf should have thought about before taking the off the cuff decision to freeze council tax after a by election drubbing.
Interesting. I assume you have evidence of this?

[lapsedhibee]

Maybe something Yousaf should have thought about before taking the off the cuff decision to freeze council tax after a by election drubbing.
Madness, whether off or on the cuff. :agree:

[hibee]

https://www.scottishfinancialnews.com/articles/scotlands-attractiveness-draws-thousands-more-taxpayers-than-it-loses

People voting with their feet.


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What if the majority of the people coming to Scotland are to replace working Scottish people so there’s not actually any more people paying tax because the Scottish people have been made redundant?

We’re going through this at work just now, around 75% of my colleagues have been made redundant and replaced with people from other countries on lower salaries, one of them even complained that those unlucky enough to get sent to Scotland instead of England should get a bigger pay rise to compensate for the higher tax here!

[Ozyhibby]

What if the majority of the people coming to Scotland are to replace working Scottish people so there’s not actually any more people paying tax because the Scottish people have been made redundant?

We’re going through this at work just now, around 75% of my colleagues have been made redundant and replaced with people from other countries on lower salaries, one of them even complained that those unlucky enough to get sent to Scotland instead of England should get a bigger pay rise to compensate for the higher tax here!

This is people moving from other parts of the UK?


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[Callum_62]

What if the majority of the people coming to Scotland are to replace working Scottish people so there’s not actually any more people paying tax because the Scottish people have been made redundant?

We’re going through this at work just now, around 75% of my colleagues have been made redundant and replaced with people from other countries on lower salaries, one of them even complained that those unlucky enough to get sent to Scotland instead of England should get a bigger pay rise to compensate for the higher tax here!

Sounds like an idiot. Or a Tory

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[hibee]

This is people moving from other parts of the UK?


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I read that hours ago and forgot about that bit by the time I replied. They don’t always come directly from their home country, many do move up from England but not that many!

[hibee]

Sounds like an idiot. Or a Tory

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Probably both.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/humza-yousaf-stage-rushed-cabinet-32665598

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[Ozyhibby]

Bute house deal is done. Happy days.[emoji106]


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[RyeSloan]

Bute house deal is done. Happy days.[emoji106]


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Most will indeed be relieved at that, for one reason or another, I’d suggest.

Another brilliant reading of the room by Humza though.

Just two short days ago:

SNP members do not “want” or “need” a vote on whether to continue the Bute House Agreement with the Scottish Greens, First Minister Humza Yousaf has said.

Yousaf said the SNP rank-and-file had “already had a vote” on the deal and that he had won the leadership election last year having pledged to maintain it.

He added: “I don’t think a vote is what SNP members necessarily want at this time, or indeed need at this time.

“What we have to get on with is governing in the best interests of the people of Scotland and I’ve thoroughly not just enjoyed but, I think, achieved a lot with our Green colleagues.

“I hope that cooperation agreement will continue and I hope that Green members will also see the benefit of that cooperation.”

[Berwickhibby]

Bute house deal is done. Happy days.[emoji106]


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So now the SNP have scrapped the Greens, scrapped their green emission targets perhaps some common senses might prevail and they scrap their draconian enforcement of ULEZ and allow businesses to purchase day tickets.

[grunt]

They don’t always come directly from their home country, many do move up from England but not that many!
"They"? Who are we talking about here? Who is "they"? :confused:

[SteveHFC]

Well done Humza.

[Ozyhibby]

So now the SNP have scrapped the Greens, scrapped their green emission targets perhaps some common senses might prevail and they scrap their draconian enforcement of ULEZ and allow businesses to purchase day tickets.

Isn’t that Edinburgh Labour/Tory council?


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[Ozyhibby]

Well done Humza.

Sounds like Flynn may have pushed the issue? I admire his ruthlessness if so. I think he’ll be leader very soon.


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[Ozyhibby]

So now the SNP have scrapped the Greens, scrapped their green emission targets perhaps some common senses might prevail and they scrap their draconian enforcement of ULEZ and allow businesses to purchase day tickets.

The emissions targets were Labour targets brought by an amendment on the original bill.


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[grunt]

Isn’t that Edinburgh Labour/Tory council?
Minor detail.

[Berwickhibby]

The emissions targets were Labour targets brought by an amendment on the original bill.


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SNP are in power they can change it…bad legislation is bad legislation regardless which party proposes it

[Berwickhibby]

Isn’t that Edinburgh Labour/Tory council?


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Councils are physically running the schemes but the authority and legislation came from Scottish Parliament

[Ozyhibby]

Councils are physically running the schemes but the authority and legislation came from Scottish Parliament

You said yourself that Edinburgh is running it differently from elsewhere?


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[Berwickhibby]

You said yourself that Edinburgh is running it differently from elsewhere?


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No Scotland is running it differently from the rest of the UK

[marinello59]

Bute house deal is done. Happy days.[emoji106]


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Days after saying there was no need to revisit the Bute house agreement and after a day of pressure from senior SNP members Yousaf calls an ‘emergency’ cabinet meeting to do what he should have done a year ago. Has there ever been a weaker leader of any party? Forbes must be setting off party poppers right now. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Days after saying there was no need to revisit the Bute house agreement and after a day of pressure from senior SNP members Yousaf calls an ‘emergency’ cabinet meeting to do what he should have done a year ago. Has there ever been a weaker leader of any party? Forbes must be setting off party poppers right now. :greengrin

While I agree there is internal pressure, would you expect any leader to cast doubt on an agreement until the very moment he ended it?


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[grunt]

While I agree there is internal pressure, would you expect any leader to cast doubt on an agreement until the very moment he ended it?
Of course. This is the SNP we're talking about. Normal rules dont apply.

[lapsedhibee]

Days after saying there was no need to revisit the Bute house agreement and after a day of pressure from senior SNP members Yousaf calls an ‘emergency’ cabinet meeting to do what he should have done a year ago. Has there ever been a weaker leader of any party? Forbes must be setting off party poppers right now. :greengrin

Sunak.

[marinello59]

While I agree there is internal pressure, would you expect any leader to cast doubt on an agreement until the very moment he ended it?


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I wouldn’t expect them to extol the benefits of the partnership a couple of days before binning it. Though having an emergency cabinet meeting suggests he may have just succumbed to pressure over the course of yesterday.
I think he’s done the right thing finally for his party, just twelve months too late.

[marinello59]

Sunak.

Possibly. It would be close though. :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

Sunak.

Truss?

[marinello59]

Truss?

She wasn’t weak, she was demented. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

I wouldn’t expect them to extol the benefits of the partnership a couple of days before binning it. Though having an emergency cabinet meeting suggests he may have just succumbed to pressure over the course of yesterday.
I think he’s done the right thing finally for his party, just twelve months too late.

I’m not disagreeing that he was bounced into it, just that even if he knew he was about to dump them, you give no clues until it’s done.


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[marinello59]

I’m not disagreeing that he was bounced into it, just that even if he knew he was about to dump them, you give no clues until it’s done.


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Easy for Yousaf then as he doesn’t have a clue anyway. :greengrin

(Politics and bad Dad jokes, loving life. :greengrin)

[Andy Bee]

D Ross apparently putting a vote of no confidence in Yousaf.

[marinello59]

D Ross apparently putting a vote of no confidence in Yousaf.

Given how angry Harvie and Slater are it would be a tight vote. I thought Harvie was going to burst in to tears.

[Ozyhibby]

Given how angry Harvie and Slater are it would be a tight vote. I thought Harvie was going to burst in to tears.

Harvie and Slater would def be bitter enough to vote against but I think as a group the most they will do is abstain.


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[Andy Bee]

Harvie and Slater would def be bitter enough to vote against but I think as a group the most they will do is abstain.


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They'll vote for him over fear of who may replace him IMO. Forbes is very outspoken of not working with the Greens for example.

[grunt]

Has there ever been a weaker leader of any party?
Corbyn?

[marinello59]

Harvie and Slater would def be bitter enough to vote against but I think as a group the most they will do is abstain.


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Aye, abstention seems the most likely but don’t underestimate how vindictive Harvie can be.

[Stairway 2 7]

I hope Humza wins the vote as I don't want who comes next to take the GE pummelling. Prefer Humza goes after GE and preferably Flynn or someone not connected to the past comes in and kicks on without the disastrous polices of the last two years. Get a focus back on independence then post that we can easily change things from there

[Ozyhibby]

Aye, abstention seems the most likely but don’t underestimate how vindictive Harvie can be.

Absolutely. He will be burning with rage and thoughts of vengeance today. I think they have to act as a group though so that will likely keep him in check.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him lose leadership of the greens soon though.


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[Ozyhibby]

I hope Humza wins the vote as I don't want who comes next to take the GE pummelling. Prefer Humza goes after GE and preferably Flynn or someone not connected to the past comes in and kicks on without the disastrous polices of the last two years. Get a focus back on independence then post that we can easily change things from there

I’d be happy for Flynn to come in now with Forbes as deputy and acting FM until Flynn gets to Holyrood. Yousaf has wasted his whole time in office so far and seems unable to control the narrative at all. Maybe today is a turning point for him? Probably his last chance. Need to make big changes starting with a reshuffle that brings Forbes back into finance and makes her deputy FM.


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[Pretty Boy]

Harvie talking about the Greens taking a decision on the no confidence vote as a collective. I wonder if that means they will vote as a collective or if there will be dissent and either a rogue vote or a free vote.

If they do vote as a collective, and the decision is to vote in favour of the Ross motion, then it's hard to see how Yousaf wins. He just won't have the numbers if Labour and Lib Dems also back it.

The way Harvie was talking and given the vindictive streak he has shown before it's hard to see how he can then vote that he has confidence in the FM.

[Andy Bee]

Would all the SNP MSP's support Humza :dunno:

[Pretty Boy]

Would all the SNP MSP's support Humza :dunno:

Given the done thing would be to dissolve the government if there was a no confidence vote I think they would from a self preservation point of view.

None of them will fancy going to the electorate at the moment.

[Ozyhibby]

Would all the SNP MSP's support Humza :dunno:

Yes. One thing this motion does is help unite the SNP back together. So well done Ross for that.


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[Ozyhibby]

Given the done thing would be to dissolve the government if there was a no confidence vote I think they would from a self preservation point of view.

None of them will fancy going to the electorate at the moment.

It’s a VONC in Yousaf not the govt. The Tories don’t want an election either which is why they did that. SNP will just choose a new leader.


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[Andy Bee]

Yup, 28 days to pick a new leader by simple majority. HY on a shoogly peg but I think he'll get the numbers.

Given that the Greens will now effectively be the 3rd biggest opposition party now, will that twat Alex Cole Hamilton still get a question at FMQ's? This could be a really good day.

[SteveHFC]

A dark day for anyone who wants a fairer, greener Scotland. The SNP leadership capitulated to the most conservative & bigoted forces in Scotland

The @scottishgreens are the only party standing up for people and planet. Join us in that fight
💚🌍👇

https://x.com/ross_greer/status/1783516352939966751?s=46&t=MW7rW9XsaY_rH0m4EYSRhg

[hibee]

A dark day for anyone who wants a fairer, greener Scotland. The SNP leadership capitulated to the most conservative & bigoted forces in Scotland

The @scottishgreens are the only party standing up for people and planet. Join us in that fight
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https://x.com/ross_greer/status/1783516352939966751?s=46&t=MW7rW9XsaY_rH0m4EYSRhg

If he’s the future of the Green Party then they are finished.

[SteveHFC]

Greens will vote to oust Humza says STV News.

[Andy Bee]

Greens will vote to oust Humza says STV News.

Ash Regan supporting SNP so 64-64, down to the PO who is a green :hmmm:

[Paul1642]

Greens will vote to oust Humza says STV News.

This could be a very good day for Scottish politics IMO.

1. Humza potentially goes and gets replaced with someone competent.
2. Greens are out of government.
3. With the parties in dispute less SNP voters give Green their second vote next time around.

[marinello59]

Ash Regan supporting SNP so 64-64, down to the PO who is a green :hmmm:

Ash Regan’s support is conditional on her demands being met. What an absolute humiliation this is becoming for Yousaf. He may survive the vote but he a dead man walking now.

[Paul1642]

Ash Regan supporting SNP so 64-64, down to the PO who is a green :hmmm:

That’s counting on no SNP rebels and Ash not changing her mind between her statement today when it was just a hypothetical and the actual vote.

Regan isn’t to save him for nothing in return. The greens have played their hand since she said that and potentially put a lot of power in her hands.

[Andy Bee]

Ash Regan’s support is conditional on her demands being met. What an absolute humiliation this is becoming for Yousaf. He may survive the vote but he a dead man walking now.

Yup I listened to that from a rather smug Alex Salmond. It may all be for nothing though if Fergus does what I'm thinking.

[GlesgaeHibby]

This could be a very good day for Scottish politics IMO.

1. Humza potentially goes and gets replaced with someone competent.
2. Greens are out of government.
3. With the parties in dispute less SNP voters give Green their second vote next time around.

3 absolutely fantastic outcomes. Need to get the new leader in quickly, and get on with governing competently to build support for independence.

[Ozyhibby]

Greens in their desire for revenge will force Yousaf out to be replaced with a more centrist choice acceptable to Regan. That’s real vindictiveness and I have to take my hat off to that. [emoji23]


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[grunt]

1. Humza potentially goes and gets replaced with someone competent.
Who do you suggest?

[Moulin Yarns]

Yes. One thing this motion does is help unite the SNP back together. So well done Ross for that.


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Apart from Ewing!!!

[Ozyhibby]

Apart from Ewing!!!

Ewing will get what he wants now anyway which is shot of the greens and focus back on bread and butter issues.


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[Paul1642]

Who do you suggest?

I was very impressed with Kate Forbes during the leadership vote. As far as I can see she’s kept her powder dry since then and not alienated herself from the party which some leadership runner ups tend to do so could be in with a very good chance if she wants it.

I’m not necessarily a SNP voter though (I don’t have a preferred party as such and vote for whoever impresses me the most / or more commonly the least worst candidate) so whilst I think this would be the opinion of the overall electorate, this opinion might not be that of the SNP supporters.

I think we could have a lot worse people in charge and that would likely be my preferred option unless someone I’ve not seen much of comes to the fore and impresses more.

[Ozyhibby]

I was very impressed with Kate Forbes during the leadership vote. As far as I can see she’s kept her powder dry since then and not alienated herself from the party which some leadership runner ups tend to do so could be in with a very good chance if she wants it.

I’m not necessarily a SNP voter though (I don’t have a preferred party as such and vote for whoever impresses me the most / or more commonly the least worst candidate) so whilst I think this would be the opinion of the overall electorate, this opinion might not be that of the SNP supporters.

I think we could have a lot worse people in charge and that would likely be my preferred option unless someone I’ve not seen much of comes to the fore and impresses more.

I’m starting to think Forbes or Flynn will be in very soon.


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[lucky]

Humza is gone regardless of the vote. The greens over played their hand and Humza pushed them out. It’s bad political judgment from them all. As for another SNP FM without an election that would be ridiculous. All the arguments that they have made against the Tories would be used against them.
Ash Reegan is a poor politician but I have no doubt she will vote for Humza. She has no choice, if Humza goes and and election called she is out a job
Who would have thought that Scottish politics would look more messy than Westminster

[Hibrandenburg]

Humza is gone regardless of the vote. The greens over played their hand and Humza pushed them out. It’s bad political judgment from them all. As for another SNP FM without an election that would be ridiculous. All the arguments that they have made against the Tories would be used against them.
Ash Reegan is a poor politician but I have no doubt she will vote for Humza. She has no choice, if Humza goes and and election called she is out a job
Who would have thought that Scottish politics would look more messy than Westminster

It's not pretty but it's also nowhere near as messy as the ****show we've had in Westminster the last decade.

[Ozyhibby]

Humza is gone regardless of the vote. The greens over played their hand and Humza pushed them out. It’s bad political judgment from them all. As for another SNP FM without an election that would be ridiculous. All the arguments that they have made against the Tories would be used against them.
Ash Reegan is a poor politician but I have no doubt she will vote for Humza. She has no choice, if Humza goes and and election called she is out a job
Who would have thought that Scottish politics would look more messy than Westminster

An election now is bad for the SNP, Tories, Ash Regan and possibly the Greens now that they won’t have SNP lost voters. Just because it’s bad for all those people does not mean it won’t happen. Miscalculations happen all the time.
I think Yousaf is toast but Regan finds she can back Forbes. And if she is smart, Regan then goes back to SNP to help save herself after election.


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[marinello59]

Humza is gone regardless of the vote. The greens over played their hand and Humza pushed them out. It’s bad political judgment from them all. As for another SNP FM without an election that would be ridiculous. All the arguments that they have made against the Tories would be used against them.
Ash Reegan is a poor politician but I have no doubt she will vote for Humza. She has no choice, if Humza goes and and election called she is out a job
Who would have thought that Scottish politics would look more messy than Westminster

Losing a leader as a direct result of vote of no confidence would be an utter humiliation for the Scottish Government. Yousaf now has to decide whether or not to go with the slightly less humiliating option of dancing to Alba’s tune in order to save his job.
Anybody think he may decide leave before it gets to a vote?

[Ozyhibby]

Losing a leader as a direct result of vote of no confidence would be an utter humiliation for the Scottish Government. Yousaf now has to decide whether or not to go with the slightly less humiliating option of dancing to Alba’s tune in order to save his job.
Anybody think he may decide leave before it gets to a vote?

I think he will go before a vote. It’s the normal way of things. He knows he can’t deal with Regan.


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[lucky]

Losing a leader as a direct result of vote of no confidence would be an utter humiliation for the Scottish Government. Yousaf now has to decide whether or not to go with the slightly less humiliating option of dancing to Alba’s tune in order to save his job.
Anybody think he may decide leave before it gets to a vote?

I doubt he will resign. He is ultra ambitious but not as ambitious as his wife. They think they are the new Sturgeon/Murell dream team. Humza is a nice guy and very personal but he’s been out his depth ever since we became a Government minister never mind FM.

[grunt]

Losing a leader as a direct result of vote of no confidence would be an utter humiliation for the Scottish Government. Yousaf now has to decide whether or not to go with the slightly less humiliating option of dancing to Alba’s tune in order to save his job.
Anybody think he may decide leave before it gets to a vote?
Really? This had never occurred to me. Do you think humiliation is a major driver in politics?

[weecounty hibby]

The greens threatened to leave the BHA. The FM has taken a strong stance and horsed them out rather than wait weeks on a decision. Harvey, slater, Greer etc all have spat the dummy talking about Conservative and bigots having won and then saying they will vote with those Conservative bigots. Childish behaviour and electoral suicide. They will definitely lose seats as 2nd votes will cease from SNP voters. Interesting that all they talked about today was environment and they glossed over their views on gender and their outbursts regarding the Cass report.

[Pretty Boy]

Humza to resign and Neil Gray to replace him. Or so says Murdo Fraser anyway.

Surely not?

[GlesgaeHibby]

Humza to resign and Neil Gray to replace him. Or so says Murdo Fraser anyway.

Surely not?

Wouldn't be surprised if he resigned to avoid humiliation of the no confidence vote, but can't see a coronation for Neil gray

[Ozyhibby]

Humza to resign and Neil Gray to replace him. Or so says Murdo Fraser anyway.

Surely not?

It’s not in his gift to appoint a successor.


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[marinello59]

It’s not in his gift to appoint a successor.


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I’m guessing the plan would be to have him as the only contender in a leadership contest. I can’t see it myself.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m guessing the plan would be to have him as the only contender in a leadership contest. I can’t see it myself.

I would think there is zero chance of that.


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[Andy Bee]

I don't think he'll resign, not even if he loses the vote. At worst it'll be 1 or 2 over the threshold and he'll sit it out.

[Berwickhibby]

Had the popcorn 🍿 out most of the day …most enjoyable watching both sides either defend or slaughter Yousless…due to the buffoon’s incompetence the SNP will likely get a boost once he is emptied and a capable replacement is found.

[GlesgaeHibby]

https://wingsoverscotland.com/here-you-go-again/

Looks like Murdo could be right - another cabinet meeting this morning according to Wings.

[Ozyhibby]

https://wingsoverscotland.com/here-you-go-again/

Looks like Murdo could be right - another cabinet meeting this morning according to Wings.

Yip. Those two will be right at the heart of what’s going on.[emoji106]


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[GlesgaeHibby]

Yip. Those two will be right at the heart of what’s going on.[emoji106]


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Wings was way ahead of the MSM in breaking the news on emergency cabinet meeting that took place yesterday. Of course you'll have dismissed it out of hand without reading the article because it's Wings.

[WhileTheChief..]

Had the popcorn 🍿 out most of the day …most enjoyable watching both sides either defend or slaughter Yousless…due to the buffoon’s incompetence the SNP will likely get a boost once he is emptied and a capable replacement is found.

Yup, kinda enjoyed watching the interviews on the news, with them all blaming each other.

Be a good thing in the end though. They've had their time and we need something fresh up here.

I guess the Westminster elections will give an indication of how Holyrood will go for the SNP.

Hopefully the Greens will be emptied. They've had far too much say up here and have been a disaster for the country.

[Ozyhibby]

I wonder if the Greens ease up a bit over the weekend? It would not be good for them to be siding with the Tories to bring down the SNP when they rely on a lot of SNP voters giving them their list vote. Harvey is vindictive but clearer heads in the party might start to push against him over the next few days. Their stance just now is pushing the govt to the centre away from them.
Yousaf standing down may be best for all though.


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[Ozyhibby]

Yup, kinda enjoyed watching the interviews on the news, with them all blaming each other.

Be a good thing in the end though. They've had their time and we need something fresh up here.

I guess the Westminster elections will give an indication of how Holyrood will go for the SNP.

Hopefully the Greens will be emptied. They've had far too much say up here and have been a disaster for the country.

Two years apart though. SNP with new leadership and midterm of a Labour government may not perform as badly as it looks now.


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[marinello59]

Yousaf cancels today’s speech on the path towards Independence.
Waiting for Alba to tell him what it now is?

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/bbcjamescook/status/1783756662014120407?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Lots of political miscalculations yesterday. Wonder who will cave first.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/scotnational/status/1783786331925074202?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Labour going for VONC in govt. This is much more serious. It’s probably designed to put Tories in tricky situation. Probably helps Yousaf though.


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[Berwickhibby]

https://x.com/bbcjamescook/status/1783756662014120407?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Lots of political miscalculations yesterday. Wonder who will cave first.


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Reckon the Green gimps will side with Yousless, their salaries and SNP second vote are more valuable than their principles 🙄

[Ozyhibby]

Reckon the Green gimps will side with Yousless, their salaries and SNP second vote are more valuable than their principles [emoji849]

An election now suits Labour but almost nobody else. There will be a way found to avoid it. Hopefully it involves Yousaf stepping aside.


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[Pretty Boy]

I wonder if part of the problem is that the SNP have been so strong for so long that someone like Humza has forgotten that they work within a system designed for minority government. One which values cooperation, compromise and consensus. He alienated those in his own party who backed his leadership rivals and overlooked all of them for key jobs, dismissed someone who he may very well have to rely on to keep his job as 'no great loss' and he's now shattered any meaningful cooperation with the Greens in the short to medium term.

The lack of willingness to really work strategically with members of the wider yes movement post 2014 and the nonsensical insistence on the 'both votes SNP' mantra suggests some in the party working on strategy believed they could force a majority for the foreseeable one way or another. I'm not convinced being forced to govern as a minority again for the next 2 or 3 years will be any bad thing. It might even see independence become the raison d'etre for the SNP again as opposed to the current 'keep us in power'.

[Green Man]

https://x.com/scotnational/status/1783786331925074202?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Labour going for VONC in govt. This is much more serious. It’s probably designed to put Tories in tricky situation. Probably helps Yousaf though.


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I think SGP would be a lot less likely to vote against the government than against the FM. The VONC in Yousaf is about him specifically, and given his actions yesterday it’s understandable why they would vote against him - they can no longer have confidence in him to work cooperatively in a way that is best for Scotland.

[Ozyhibby]

I wonder if part of the problem is that the SNP have been so strong for so long that someone like Humza has forgotten that they work within a system designed for minority government. One which values cooperation, compromise and consensus. He alienated those in his own party who backed his leadership rivals and overlooked all of them for key jobs, dismissed someone who he may very well have to rely on to keep his job as 'no great loss' and he's now shattered any meaningful cooperation with the Greens in the short to medium term.

The lack of willingness to really work strategically with members of the wider yes movement post 2014 and the nonsensical insistence on the 'both votes SNP' mantra suggests some in the party working on strategy believed they could force a majority for the foreseeable one way or another. I'm not convinced being forced to govern as a minority again for the next 2 or 3 years will be any bad thing. It might even see independence become the raison d'etre for the SNP again as opposed to the current 'keep us in power'.

Both votes SNP was successful for them pre 2015. It only resulted in wasted voted when they started dominating at constituency level. The current polls suggest that both votes SNP may be the best strategy once again. It’s the way I will go next time.


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[DaveF]

Reckon the Green gimps will side with Yousless, their salaries and SNP second vote are more valuable than their principles 🙄

Is there any chance you can grow up and post on this topic without the silly name calling? It's absolutely pathetic.

By all.means enjoy the chaos but you really drag the whole thing down.

[Berwickhibby]

Is there any chance you can grow up and post on this topic without the silly name calling? It's absolutely pathetic.

By all.means enjoy the chaos but you really drag the whole thing down.

Nope 😀

[DaveF]

Nope 😀

Great, well.done.

Admins, you can add me as someone else who will avoid this board. And probably .net in general.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Yousaf cancels today’s speech on the path towards Independence.
Waiting for Alba to tell him what it now is?

I can't recall how well supported Ash Regan was in the leadership vote, but it wasn't all that significant. It seems an absurdity that she might be calling the shots as a minority voice when the broader party didn't want her as a leadership contender. This might go to credibility of HY if he yields in any way.

[Green Man]

Is there any chance you can grow up and post on this topic without the silly name calling? It's absolutely pathetic.

By all.means enjoy the chaos but you really drag the whole thing down.

I agree. There are plenty of ways to express your disapproval of someone/something without childish name calling. Any time I see something like that it makes me value the opinion less. Most often when I see someone refer to the “clowncil”.

[Ozyhibby]

I can't recall how well supported Ash Regan was in the leadership vote, but it wasn't all that significant. It seems an absurdity that she might be calling the shots as a minority voice when the broader party didn't want her as a leadership contender. This might go to credibility of HY if he yields in any way.

About 9% I think?
Yousaf is now holed below the waterline either way. Any concessions in any direction hurt him elsewhere. It’s going to need a fresh voice.


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[marinello59]

I can't recall how well supported Ash Regan was in the leadership vote, but it wasn't all that significant. It seems an absurdity that she might be calling the shots as a minority voice when the broader party didn't want her as a leadership contender. This might go to credibility of HY if he yields in any way.

Almost as absurd as the Greens calling the shots for the past three years with their small share of the electoral vote.

[Ozyhibby]

Almost as absurd as the Greens calling the shots for the past three years with their small share of the electoral vote.

Or the DUP calling the shots on Brexit.


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[marinello59]

Or the DUP calling the shots on Brexit.


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Yeap. It’s what happens when you have weak Government.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/scott_wortley/status/1783793030794715317?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Douglas Ross saying he will prevent an election. Smart move from the Tories.


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[Eaststand]

Great, well.done.

Admins, you can add me as someone else who will avoid this board. And probably .net in general.

I'm with you on this Dave and I'm sure we all agree healthy debate is good, but anyone who persists with silly, childish name calling should be stopped from doing so.

GGTTH

[Hiber-nation]

Reckon the Green gimps will side with Yousless, their salaries and SNP second vote are more valuable than their principles 🙄

Is your sole purpose on here to act like a 6 year old? Quite sad really.

[Berwickhibby]

Is your sole purpose on here to act like a 6 year old? Quite sad really.

It’s a football fans forum not a discussion in the parliamentary chamber… Check other topics, like slagging the Tories with insults (which also make me smile)

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/ka****t/status/1783834204733915287?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

A little bit more focus on stuff like this and he might not be where he is now.


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[Hibs4185]

https://x.com/ka****t/status/1783834204733915287?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

A little bit more focus on stuff like this and he might not be where he is now.


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It’s been deleted so didn’t see it

[Hibs4185]

What seems like most SNP/Independence supporters, im
Over the moon that the greens have been kicked out.

Also hoping that HY resigns and lets someone else come
In and refresh the SNP and scottish politics.

Humza is useless.

Its actually got to the point where I hate the SNP but I feel like I still need to vote for them due to independence and no other alternatives.

Although it’s just flashed up on my phone that he is refusing to resign.

[Ozyhibby]

What seems like most SNP/Independence supporters, im
Over the moon that the greens have been kicked out.

Also hoping that HY resigns and lets someone else come
In and refresh the SNP and scottish politics.

Humza is useless.

Its actually got to the point where I hate the SNP but I feel like I still need to vote for them due to independence and no other alternatives.

Although it’s just flashed up on my phone that he is refusing to resign.

Just like saying he backed the Bute House agreement right up until he didn’t, it will be the same if he resigns. He won’t telegraph that he’s thinking of it. He might not even see it coming.
I think he will be gone very soon though. When people stop listening to you, then you are toast. And nobody is listening to him now.
Flynn just hinted he wouldn’t run but I’m almost certain he would. Everyone is playing cards close to their chest.


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[grunt]

It’s been deleted so didn’t see itDotnet censor!


Big announcement by First Minister Humza Yousaf as he faces no confidence motion next week - £80m funding over two years to increase number of affordable homes. Money would allow empty homes to be bought by organisations to reduce homelessness.

[grunt]

Its actually got to the point where I hate the SNP ...
Why? What have they done to make you hate them?

[grunt]

So Jackie Baillie says that Labour will support Douglas Ross' no confidence motion. That's nice. I hope all our Labour supporters on here take note of where their party's allegiances lie.

[Berwickhibby]

Just like saying he backed the Bute House agreement right up until he didn’t, it will be the same if he resigns. He won’t telegraph that he’s thinking of it. He might not even see it coming.
I think he will be gone very soon though. When people stop listening to you, then you are toast. And nobody is listening to him now.
Flynn just hinted he wouldn’t run but I’m almost certain he would. Everyone is playing cards close to their chest.


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As much as this sticks in my craw…Flynn would make mince meat out of DRoss and Sarwar in most debates …

[grunt]

As much as this sticks in my craw…Flynn would make mince meat out of DRoss and Sarwar in most debates …
As does Yousaf, but you refuse to hear it.

[marinello59]

Just like saying he backed the Bute House agreement right up until he didn’t, it will be the same if he resigns. He won’t telegraph that he’s thinking of it. He might not even see it coming.
I think he will be gone very soon though. When people stop listening to you, then you are toast. And nobody is listening to him now.
Flynn just hinted he wouldn’t run but I’m almost certain he would. Everyone is playing cards close to their chest.


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Flynn won’t have time to run given he would need a Holyrood seat. He will back Forbes.

[Berwickhibby]

As does Yousaf, but you refuse to hear it.

No he doesn’t he is a broken record … over promoted for his abilities…. I have seen Sturgeon rip the opposition up regularly when she was First Minister, Seen Dugdale come out top on a few debates … Forbes is possibly the most talented young MSP in the chamber but seems to be ignored by her party. Had she won the leadership campaign, imho I doubt this chaos would be occurring.

[Andy Bee]

Flynn won’t have time to run given he would need a Holyrood seat. He will back Forbes.

I'm not convinced he'd even want to leave the comfort of Westminster for Holyrood.

[Bostonhibby]

As much as this sticks in my craw…Flynn would make mince meat out of DRoss and Sarwar in most debates …I'd back my much loved goldfish against Dross, the fish died a few years back but would still do well in a political debate.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Big announcement by First Minister Humza Yousaf as he faces no confidence motion next week - £80m funding over two years to increase number of affordable homes. Money would allow empty homes to be bought by organisations to reduce homelessness.

If that's true, it sums up why my inner cynic hates politicians.

[Pretty Boy]

Big announcement by First Minister Humza Yousaf as he faces no confidence motion next week - £80m funding over two years to increase number of affordable homes. Money would allow empty homes to be bought by organisations to reduce homelessness.

If that's true, it sums up why my inner cynic hates politicians.

:agree:

Embarrassingly transparent on every possible level.

[Berwickhibby]

Big announcement by First Minister Humza Yousaf as he faces no confidence motion next week - £80m funding over two years to increase number of affordable homes. Money would allow empty homes to be bought by organisations to reduce homelessness.

If that's true, it sums up why my inner cynic hates politicians.

As a fellow cynic…. Amazing timing for this announcement

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not convinced he'd even want to leave the comfort of Westminster for Holyrood.

It’s a peculiarly Scottish thing that everyone thinks that nobody would want to leave London for Scotland?


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[Ozyhibby]

Big announcement by First Minister Humza Yousaf as he faces no confidence motion next week - £80m funding over two years to increase number of affordable homes. Money would allow empty homes to be bought by organisations to reduce homelessness.

If that's true, it sums up why my inner cynic hates politicians.

To be a little bit fair to him, he is literally telling everyone the party is moving back towards focussing on this sort of thing rather than identity issues. Even if he was bounced into it.


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[marinello59]

It’s a peculiarly Scottish thing that everyone thinks that nobody would want to leave London for Scotland?


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I think the poster is referring to the comfort of the job rather than the location.

[Ozyhibby]

I think the poster is referring to the comfort of the job rather than the location.

Given the polls, the job security isn’t great?


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[marinello59]

Given the polls, the job security isn’t great?


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That’s a different thing.

[CropleyWasGod]

To be a little bit fair to him, he is literally telling everyone the party is moving back towards focussing on this sort of thing rather than identity issues. Even if he was bounced into it.


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I can't be "fair" to politicians who try to buy favours with things that, were they appropriate, should have been done already. (see also Thatcher, 1980's)

[marinello59]

To be a little bit fair to him, he is literally telling everyone the party is moving back towards focussing on this sort of thing rather than identity issues. Even if he was bounced into it.


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You can’t reverse several years of poorly focussed Governmrnt with your chosen partners in just over 24 hours. He is in a mess he inherited and failed to address.

[Hibs4185]

Why? What have they done to make you hate them?

I suppose hate is too strong a word but I just can’t agree with their policies, direction they are taking us and appointing HY as a continuity candidate.

I voted for KF in the leadership election as I thought she’d be the best to achieve independence.

SNP is hated by the majority of the business community and you’ll never win independence with that being the case.

They think making Scotland a ‘fairer’ country is the key, with their gender and hate crime bills. I just think making Scotland successful is the key to independence with fair polices that the country actually supports.

[Andy Bee]

I think the poster is referring to the comfort of the job rather than the location.

Yup, more to do with better career prospects down there especially if you're leader. Flynn is surfing a bit of a wave at the moment because of a few funny quips at PMQ's and his stance on Gaza. When questioned in more detail I'm not convinced he'd put country before himself. When questioned about forming a Constitutional Convention he wasn't interested, when asked about who was Sovereign in Scotland he answered the UK Parliament and my latest annoyance was when he was sounding off about Scotlands vast opportunities in Green Energy in front of a backdrop of a huge windmill heading out to sea, the problem being it was in Cromarty.

I've no doubt though that if he became FM it would bring a lot of voters back to the SNP.

[Ozyhibby]

You can’t reverse several years of poorly focussed Governmrnt with your chosen partners in just over 24 hours. He is in a mess he inherited and failed to address.

Of course. I personally don’t think he can do it and it will need to be someone else but it will take consistent effort over time.


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[marinello59]

Of course. I personally don’t think he can do it and it will need to be someone else but it will take consistent effort over time.


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Agreed, it’s a long term job.

[grunt]

Rachel Reeves here, telling Scotland what she and Labour have decided.


We've gone further ...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMFkeq9WsAATB7T?format=jpg&name=medium

[Jack]

rachel reeves here, telling scotland what she and labour have decided.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/gmfkeq9wsaatb7t?format=jpg&name=medium

You're LEEDS Rachel. LEEDS!! Not LEITH 😆

[weecounty hibby]

Rachel Reeves here, telling Scotland what she and Labour have decided.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMFkeq9WsAATB7T?format=jpg&name=medium
Just showing again that "Scottish" Labour is a myth. Westminster Labour telling Sarwar what to jump and he asks how high?

[Stairway 2 7]

Big announcement by First Minister Humza Yousaf as he faces no confidence motion next week - £80m funding over two years to increase number of affordable homes. Money would allow empty homes to be bought by organisations to reduce homelessness.

If that's true, it sums up why my inner cynic hates politicians.

Scot gov recently cut the budget by £200 million they have only partially recovered this by giving back £40mil per year, smoke and mirrors

Brian McLauchlin from Scottish federation of housing associations

@BrianSFHA
The Scottish Government originally cut the budget by £196m. Whilst it's welcome they've partially restored a bit of this, it pales in comparison to what we've lost

[Berwickhibby]

Scot gov recently cut the budget by £200 million they have only partially recovered this by giving back £40mil per year, smoke and mirrors

Brian McLauchlin from Scottish federation of housing associations

@BrianSFHA
The Scottish Government originally cut the budget by £196m. Whilst it's welcome they've partially restored a bit of this, it pales in comparison to what we've lost

Very Thatcherite behaviour

[Just Alf]

Very Thatcherite behaviourIndeed :agree:

[Ozyhibby]

Scot gov recently cut the budget by £200 million they have only partially recovered this by giving back £40mil per year, smoke and mirrors

Brian McLauchlin from Scottish federation of housing associations

@BrianSFHA
The Scottish Government originally cut the budget by £196m. Whilst it's welcome they've partially restored a bit of this, it pales in comparison to what we've lost

It’s not enough but it’s a start on re-focussing the party. Won’t be enough for him but the party has to make a start. New leader is needed now.


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[JimBHibees]

So Jackie Baillie says that Labour will support Douglas Ross' no confidence motion. That's nice. I hope all our Labour supporters on here take note of where their party's allegiances lie.

Yep better together tactical voting buddies. Sweet

[JimBHibees]

Big announcement by First Minister Humza Yousaf as he faces no confidence motion next week - £80m funding over two years to increase number of affordable homes. Money would allow empty homes to be bought by organisations to reduce homelessness.

If that's true, it sums up why my inner cynic hates politicians.

Agree

[JimBHibees]

Rachel Reeves here, telling Scotland what she and Labour have decided.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMFkeq9WsAATB7T?format=jpg&name=medium

The right thing to do for the people of Scotland 😄

[lucky]

So Jackie Baillie says that Labour will support Douglas Ross' no confidence motion. That's nice. I hope all our Labour supporters on here take note of where their party's allegiances lie.

That's a stupid post. Opposition parties take every opportunity put the government of the day in trouble. If Labour had dumped the Greens, Humza Youself would be supporting the Tories

[grunt]

That's a stupid post. Opposition parties take every opportunity put the government of the day in trouble. If Labour had dumped the Greens, Humza Youself would be supporting the Tories

Thanks for your feedback.

I hope you enjoy supporting the Tories. Personally it would turn my stomach.

[marinello59]

That's a stupid post. Opposition parties take every opportunity put the government of the day in trouble. If Labour had dumped the Greens, Humza Youself would be supporting the Tories

I wouldn’t call any other poster here or their posts stupid, it’s all about opinions.
You are right though , this isn’t a vote with the Tories , it’s a vote against the First Minister which I think the majority of us understand. . If the SNP try to fight an election on the basis that there is no difference between the Tories and Labour then, as some senior SNP MP’s have warned against, ’they will get the defeat they deserve. If Yousaf falls and Forbes becomes leader it will be an impossible sell anyway.

[Stairway 2 7]

Thanks for your feedback.

I hope you enjoy supporting the Tories. Personally it would turn my stomach.

Madness. Of course Labour wants to bring the SNP government down, they would probably be favourites to take hold of the chamber. They shouldn't be a party if they didn't want that

[Hibrandenburg]

That's a stupid post. Opposition parties take every opportunity put the government of the day in trouble. If Labour had dumped the Greens, Humza Youself would be supporting the Tories

Except when you're the SNP, then you're Tartan Tories.

[Berwickhibby]

Except when you're the SNP, then you're Tartan Tories.

Hooray …you have finally grasped the truth 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Jack]

I wouldn’t call any other poster here or their posts stupid, it’s all about opinions.
You are right though , this isn’t a vote with the Tories , it’s a vote against the First Minister which I think the majority of us understand. . If the SNP try to fight an election on the basis that there is no difference between the Tories and Labour then, as some senior SNP MP’s have warned against, ’they will get the defeat they deserve. If Yousaf falls and Forbes becomes leader it will be an impossible sell anyway.

This is the beauty of political debate 😆

The SNP debaters are regularly reminded by the Labour side about the SNP voting with the torys that subsequently ushered in Thatcher.

We could have a sweep to see when it will happen next 😉

[Berwickhibby]

This is the beauty of political debate 😆

The SNP debaters are regularly reminded by the Labour side about the SNP voting with the torys that subsequently ushered in Thatcher.

We could have a sweep to see when it will happen next 😉

Doubt it will …Thatcher (Thankfully) has been dead since 2013 :greengrin:greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

This is the beauty of political debate 😆

The SNP debaters are regularly reminded by the Labour side about the SNP voting with the torys that subsequently ushered in Thatcher.

We could have a sweep to see when it will happen next 😉
Labour are bringing down SNP to bring in Labour is completely different to bringing down Labour to bring in tories. It's still terrible patter to blame the current SNP for something that happened decades ago, it's like praising trump for the republicans helping stop slavery

[Hibrandenburg]

Labour are bringing down SNP to bring in Labour is completely different to bringing down Labour to bring in tories. It's still terrible patter to blame the current SNP for something that happened decades ago, it's like praising trump for the republicans helping stop slavery

The SNP had voted with the government in a vote of no confidence the year before. In the months following that vote we had a referendum on devolution with the majority voting for but Labour then denying the result based on a last minute amendment, we had dead bodies piling up in the morgues, rubbish littering our streets and the country basically grinding to a halt because of the worst Labour government in living history. To say that the SNP's sole intention was to pave the way for Thatcher is being naive to what was actually going on at the time. There were more Liberal MP'S than SNP that voted against that toxic government. Labour and Labour alone were to blame for their own downfall.

[Stairway 2 7]

Harvey saying on the news its clear Humza has lost the parliament and that the SNP should now replace him. Said he could back another SNP but says he won't back Kate Forbes. Tail wagging the dug again? Humza said today that he wouldn't necessarily rule out talking to Alba. I'll be SNP 1 2 as we haven't got a credible 2nd vote party. Unless Gray wins then I'll start following shinty or something as 4 years of the same but duller is a waste of everyone's time

[marinello59]

Harvey saying on the news its clear Humza has lost the parliament and that the SNP should now replace him. Said he could back another SNP but says he won't back Kate Forbes. Tail wagging the dug again? Humza said today that he wouldn't necessarily rule out talking to Alba. I'll be SNP 1 2 as we haven't got a credible 2nd vote party. Unless Gray wins then I'll start following shinty or something as 4 years of the same but duller is a waste of everyone's time

Maybe the only way to the party could be freshened up properly would be with a period out of Government. Just a thought.

[Hibrandenburg]

Maybe the only way to the party could be freshened up properly would be with a period out of Government. Just a thought.

You're probably right, but every other party fills me with dread at the thought of what they'd do in government.

[Ozyhibby]

You're probably right, but every other party fills me with dread at the thought of what they'd do in government.

Selfishly with two teenagers looking like going to uni, I’m dreading tuition fees for them both. Young people getting it hard enough just now. Labour will almost certainly bring them in.


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[marinello59]

Selfishly with two teenagers looking like going to uni, I’m dreading tuition fees for them both. Young people getting it hard enough just now. Labour will almost certainly bring them in.


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I didn’t mention it in order to kickstart a discussion about the merits or otherwise of the other parties. It was just an observation. :greengrin

[grunt]

I didn’t mention it in order to kickstart a discussion about the merits or otherwise of the other parties. It was just an observation. :greengrin:wink:

[Stairway 2 7]

Selfishly with two teenagers looking like going to uni, I’m dreading tuition fees for them both. Young people getting it hard enough just now. Labour will almost certainly bring them in.


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SNP aren't nearly as bad as the others but there really needs to be a restart. Rumours Flynn pushing the ending of BHA and also Humza to try and stay on makes me think he'll try for a Holyrood seat..

[Andy Bee]

Maybe the only way to the party could be freshened up properly would be with a period out of Government. Just a thought.

I've thought the same but dread what the others would do, maybe just a right good kicking at Westminster elections might refocus them for the Scottish elections.

[Paul1642]

I just think it’s pretty clear for most to see that the party allowed the green to have way too much influence and that SNP themselves have moved a bit too much away from what your average voter cares about. If the SNP can’t see this and allow a new leader to cosy up with the greens again it’s going to cost them big time at the polls.

If Humza is still in charge my vote will likely go to Labour although I’m not actually convinced by Sarwar either. If Humza goes and Kate Forbes or someone else who inspires a bit more confidence takes the helm then SNP will probably get my vote.

The votes that SNP need to target to win the next election are people who will otherwise vote Labour. Diehard Yes voters will probably vote SNP regardless and Diehard unionists will probably vote Labour or Tory regardless. It’s the majority who won’t base their vote solely on independence who need targeted and at the moment SNP just don’t have the same reliable feel that they had at the last election.

Scottish Labour or UK Labour aren’t doing anything particularly inspiring at the moment yet will win the UK election and have a good shot at the Scottish elections purely became the current governments are not doing a good enough job (not that the SNP are doing half as bad as the tories thank god).

As for the Lib Dem’s, I couldn’t tell you who their leader is without googling or what they stand for now which is a shame as prior to them entering the coalition government a few years back now they felt like a good alternative to the rest.

[lucky]

The SNP like many parties who have been in power for a long time just run out of steam. Changing Humza is must but electing Kate Forbes will be similar Sunak. She is too right wing and her personal views are not compatible with the majority of Scotland. There were people in the Labour that thought Scotland would always vote Labour now we are people with same attitude in the SNP.

[Paul1642]

The SNP like many parties who have been in power for a long time just run out of steam. Changing Humza is must but electing Kate Forbes will be similar Sunak. She is too right wing and her personal views are not compatible with the majority of Scotland. There were people in the Labour that thought Scotland would always vote Labour now we are people with same attitude in the SNP.

Forbes took 48% of the SNP membership vote, a membership who are generally to the left of the average Scottish voter. Of the 52% who voted Humza we can assume that at least some of them would be happy with or tolerate her and simply preferred Humza at that time. She might be too right wing for a portion of the SNP voters (many of whom would still vote for the SNP anyway), but she’s not to right wing for many of the voters that SNP are going to have to sway their way if they want to win the election.

She’s obviously got her own personal religious views, something we righty try not to hold against people these days, yet in contradiction to these views still supports buffer zones around abortion clinics. As practicing Muslims it’s more than possible that Humza and Sanwar hold certain personal views the majority of Scotland wouldn’t hold but as long as that doesn’t translate into attempts to shape policy then it’s not really relevant IMO.

[superfurryhibby]

The SNP had voted with the government in a vote of no confidence the year before. In the months following that vote we had a referendum on devolution with the majority voting for but Labour then denying the result based on a last minute amendment, we had dead bodies piling up in the morgues, rubbish littering our streets and the country basically grinding to a halt because of the worst Labour government in living history. To say that the SNP's sole intention was to pave the way for Thatcher is being naive to what was actually going on at the time. There were more Liberal MP'S than SNP that voted against that toxic government. Labour and Labour alone were to blame for their own downfall.

The trade union movement didn’t cover themselves in glory during Callaghan’s Labour government, particularly in its final years. Too many ideologues, driven by an extreme left agenda which didn’t necessarily reflect the views or best interests of their membership, nor that of the wider public.
They contributed to the carnage and gave the Thatcherite Tories a huge propaganda weapon. I’m sure the SNP leadership ( then right of centre) saw the vote of no confidence as payback for Labour’s devolution betrayal.

[Pretty Boy]

Forbes took 48% of the SNP membership vote, a membership who are generally to the left of the average Scottish voter. Of the 52% who voted Humza we can assume that at least some of them would be happy with or tolerate her and simply preferred Humza at that time. She might be too right wing for a portion of the SNP voters (many of whom would still vote for the SNP anyway), but she’s not to right wing for many of the voters that SNP are going to have to sway their way if they want to win the election.

She’s obviously got her own personal religious views, something we righty try not to hold against people these days, yet in contradiction to these views still supports buffer zones around abortion clinics. As practicing Muslims it’s more than possible that Humza and Sanwar hold certain personal views the majority of Scotland wouldn’t hold but as long as that doesn’t translate into attempts to shape policy then it’s not really relevant IMO.

The furore around Forbes religious views was ridiculous.

There were people on this very forum stating Forbes religious views made her intolerant but then openly stated their own belief that people who had a faith should be banned from positions of power and influence in Scotland. That just screams tolerance so it does.

A lot of the issues that were brought up are already enshrined in law. Same sex marriage, the right to abortion and so on. It would be political suicide for any leader to try and row back on those in Scotland. It was a non issue. Even when she explained that her own personal views on how she should liver her own life didn't overlap with her views on what others should be free to do there were people desperate to pick up on hidden meanings. The media indulged that and she was subjected to far more intense scrutiny of her religion than Humza was, journalists were desperate to trip her up and people lapped it up.

I'm no fan of the wee frees as an institution but like any organisation there will be a wide array of people who practice. Those who are more liberal, strict traditionalists, nice people, closed minded bigots and everything in between.

There was a very vocal group of people who were far more intolerant of Kate Forbes than she seemed to be of others when she spoke. Personally I'm not sold on her from a political ideology standpoint but if I was an SNP supporter/voter I'd see her as a safe pair of hands who would steady the ship which seems badly needed.

[Ozyhibby]

The furore around Forbes religious views was ridiculous.

There were people on this very forum stating Forbes religious views made her intolerant but then openly stated their own belief that people who had a faith should be banned from positions of power and influence in Scotland. That just screams tolerance so it does.

A lot of the issues that were brought up are already enshrined in law. Same sex marriage, the right to abortion and so on. It would be political suicide for any leader to try and row back on those in Scotland. It was a non issue. Even when she explained that her own personal views on how she should liver her own life didn't overlap with her views on what others should be free to do there were people desperate to pick up on hidden meanings. The media indulged that and she was subjected to far more intense scrutiny of her religion than Humza was, journalists were desperate to trip her up and people lapped it up.

I'm no fan of the wee frees as an institution but like any organisation there will be a wide array of people who practice. Those who are more liberal, strict traditionalists, nice people, closed minded bigots and everything in between.

There was a very vocal group of people who were far more intolerant of Kate Forbes than she seemed to be of others when she spoke. Personally I'm not sold on her from a political ideology standpoint but if I was an SNP supporter/voter I'd seems her as a safe pair of hands who would steady the ship which seems badly needed.

More importantly, she seems to know why she wants to be FM. I’m not sure Yousaf does? He appears to just get blown in whatever direction the wind is going.


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[marinello59]

More importantly, she seems to know why she wants to be FM. I’m not sure Yousaf does? He appears to just get blown in whatever direction the wind is going.


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The problem for Forbes at this point is that the Greens will not work with her so she will have to build alliances with others that the party membership may find hard to tolerate.

[RyeSloan]

The problem for Forbes at this point is that the Greens will not work with her so she will have to build alliances with others that the party membership may find hard to tolerate.

Yup. People seem to forget Salmond relied on working closely with the Conservatives when running a minority Government in 2007 - 2011.

I suppose it’s all a bit more polarised these days.

[grunt]

Yup. People seem to forget Salmond relied on working closely with the Conservatives when running a minority Government in 2007 - 2011.

I suppose it’s all a bit more polarised these days.

I'm sure it is more polarised. But I think the point I'd make is that the Tories today are very different from the Tories of 2007. They're fascists today. I want nothing to do with them.

[Moulin Yarns]

Labour are bringing down SNP to bring in Labour is completely different to bringing down Labour to bring in tories. It's still terrible patter to blame the current SNP for something that happened decades ago, it's like praising trump for the republicans helping stop slavery

Good article about the VONC that brought down the callaghan government in the Sunday National today, they lost by 331 to 330 and there was talk of bringing a labour MP from Yorkshire in an ambulance to get the numbers. Decided they had the numbers so didn't. He died a few weeks later. If only they had taken the risk people wouldn't be blaming the SNP for Thatcherism.


https://www.thenational.scot/politics/24283390.andrew-tickell-humza-yousaf-ahead-no-confidence-vote/

[RyeSloan]

I'm sure it is more polarised. But I think the point I'd make is that the Tories today are very different from the Tories of 2007. They're fascists today. I want nothing to do with them.

Think you’ve proven my point quite nicely [emoji2957]

[grunt]

Think you’ve proven my point quite nicely
Are you suggesting the Tories have not changed? They're basically the BNP these days.

[Moulin Yarns]

Assuming Yousaf resigns as expected today rumours are that Forbes and Gilruth are gathering support.

[Hibs4185]

Is incredible how badly the end of sturgeon’s tenure has gone.

The final icing on the cake…her continuity candidate is going to be outed ironically for continuing her polices.

I have a lot of admiration for sturgeon but between that and her husband, who of course is innocent until proven otherwise, it’s been a spectacular fall from grace.

The unionist parties and media couldn’t have orchestrated it any better.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm sure it is more polarised. But I think the point I'd make is that the Tories today are very different from the Tories of 2007. They're fascists today. I want nothing to do with them.

I'm not sure it's fair to label the Scottish Tories as fascists. They have always been to the left of their Westminster colleagues, and they still are.

I can't think of any Scottish Tories who would fit in with the ideology of the current UK Government. Fraser perhaps, but for me he's more of a wind-up merchant than anything else.

Whether any of them are competent enough to work in Government is a different matter, though.....

[degenerated]

I'm not sure it's fair to label the Scottish Tories as fascists. They have always been to the left of their Westminster colleagues, and they still are.

I can't think of any Scottish Tories who would fit in with the ideology of the current UK Government. Fraser perhaps, but for me he's more of a wind-up merchant than anything else.

Whether any of them are competent enough to work in Government is a different matter, though.....Douglas Ross and his comments about travellers and voting record on same sex marriage make him very much like the rest of the Westminster Tories.

That boy that looks like he is breaking in a set of teeth for a horse is quite far to the right as well.

Murdo Fraser was a leading light in the federation of conservative students, a group that was disbanded by norman tebbit for being too right wing for the parties liking. Being viewed as too right wing by tebbit during thatchers leadership of party should have alarm bells ringing.

[CropleyWasGod]

Douglas Ross and his comments about travellers and voting record on same sex marriage make him very much like the rest of the Westminster Tories.

That boy that looks like he is breaking in a set of teeth for a horse is quite far to the right as well.

Murdo Fraser was a leading light in the federation of conservative students, a group that was disbanded by norman tebbit for being too right wing for the parties liking. Being viewed as too right wing by tebbit during thatchers leadership of party should have alarm bells ringing.

In my prejudiced view of most politicians, I'd be saying "does he actually mean all that?", or is just saying that to curry favour with his bosses?

"Only following orders" springs to mind. :cb

[hibee]

Ian Blackford on live from Westminster saying John Swinney is the man for the job.

[Moulin Yarns]

Ian Blackford on live from Westminster saying John Swinney is the man for the job.

John swinney won't stand, he doesn't want it permanent but could be caretaker manager.

[hibee]

John swinney won't stand, he doesn't want it permanent but could be caretaker manager.

He’s making a speech to the media at 13:15 so we’ll find out soon enough.

[JimBHibees]

John swinney won't stand, he doesn't want it permanent but could be caretaker manager.

Maybe only candidate greens will support

[Moulin Yarns]

He’s making a speech to the media at 13:15 so we’ll find out soon enough.

Isn't he down at Westminster for a meeting?

[hibee]

Isn't he down at Westminster for a meeting?

No idea what he’s doing, it was just sky news said he was coming to speak to them live from Queen Anne’s Gate.

[Moulin Yarns]

No idea what he’s doing, it was just sky news said he was coming to speak to them live from Queen Anne’s Gate.

Which is half a mile from Westminster!

[Moulin Yarns]

OK, 10 minutes since he spoke to sky news in London. What did he say?

[hibee]

OK, 10 minutes since he spoke to sky news in London. What did he say?

Not been on yet, he’s running late.

[Moulin Yarns]

Not been on yet, he’s running late.


He's not even running 😁


Asked whether he wants to be the next first minister at a Resolution Foundation event, Swinney said: “It’s a hypothetical question.”

He added that the job is a very “demanding role” and that “it takes a lot of thinking about”.

Speaking to Sky News earlier this morning, Swinney also said: “There’s a lot to happen today, and we’ll wait to hear what the FM’s got to say later on today.”

[hibee]

He's not even running [emoji16]


Asked whether he wants to be the next first minister at a Resolution Foundation event, Swinney said: “It’s a hypothetical question.”

He added that the job is a very “demanding role” and that “it takes a lot of thinking about”.

Speaking to Sky News earlier this morning, Swinney also said: “There’s a lot to happen today, and we’ll wait to hear what the FM’s got to say later on today.”

Nobody said he was running but he was running late and has just done the live interview now.

I missed the start but sounds like he still needs to persuade his family that it’s the right thing to do before he commits to anything.

[Moulin Yarns]

He's not even running 😁


Asked whether he wants to be the next first minister at a Resolution Foundation event, Swinney said: “It’s a hypothetical question.”

He added that the job is a very “demanding role” and that “it takes a lot of thinking about”.

Speaking to Sky News earlier this morning, Swinney also said: “There’s a lot to happen today, and we’ll wait to hear what the FM’s got to say later on today.”

Sky news saying that swinney is considering it. He would steady the ship but I think he would stand down after the next Scottish election regardless of outcome.

I stand by what I said, he doesn't want it permanently.

[Moulin Yarns]

Nobody said he was running but he was running late and has just done the live interview now.

I missed the start but sounds like he still needs to persuade his family that it’s the right thing to do before he commits to anything.


Did you miss the smile?

The family is very much at the front of his thoughts. His wife has 2nd stage MS and one of his sons has mobility issues. Becoming first minister means a lot more time away from home. He is my MSP.

[grunt]

I'm not sure it's fair to label the Scottish Tories as fascists. They have always been to the left of their Westminster colleagues, and they still are. I can't think of any Scottish Tories who would fit in with the ideology of the current UK Government. Fraser perhaps, but for me he's more of a wind-up merchant than anything else. Whether any of them are competent enough to work in Government is a different matter, though.....
I wasn't seeking to differentiate between the Scottish Tories and their WM counterparts. I was really just talking about the 2024 Tory party as a whole.

[hibee]

Did you miss the smile?

The family is very much at the front of his thoughts. His wife has 2nd stage MS and one of his sons has mobility issues. Becoming first minister means a lot more time away from home. He is my MSP.

No, didn’t miss it [emoji3]

Just watched it back, I thought he was honest and spoke quite well, get the impression he’d like the job but knows deep down it’s not right for his family.

If I was him I’d very much put the family first and not go for it.

[Ozyhibby]

Nothing says we are just waiting for Labour to take over in 2026 than appointing John Swinney. It would be like admitting we have nothing else to offer.
I don’t think he can win anyway.


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[marinello59]

If Swinney is the answer then the wrong question is being asked. Has nothing been learned from the whole Yousaf debacle?

[Stairway 2 7]

Maybe only candidate greens will support

Greens have done enough damage for their opinion to count one iota. In an ideal world they would bomb out Harvey and get someone focused on the environment and SNP get someone focused on getting independence. I know that sounds fanciful nowadays but we can but dream

[Hiber-nation]

Nothing says we are just waiting for Labour to take over in 2026 than appointing John Swinney. It would be like admitting we have nothing else to offer.
I don’t think he can win anyway.


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Yep, just an attempt to keep Forbes out. It'll just strengthen Labours position.

[weecounty hibby]

If the greens want to return any seats in 2026 they will need to back whoever is the new leader and FM. They have gained seats mostly as the 2nd independence party and will co tinge to do so if they support the government. If they don't they will be consined to history. Alba won't get many votes either as they are toxic and all about Salmond rather than anything else. He was pushing the narrative that Regan was the most powerful MSP all weekend, while all the time it was him doing the press rounds himself. SNP 1 and 2 may be the best solution as it was before

[Ozyhibby]

Yep, just an attempt to keep Forbes out. It'll just strengthen Labours position.

Douglas Ross talking up Swinney’s chances on the news there. Tells you all you need to know.


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[Ozyhibby]

If the greens want to return any seats in 2026 they will need to back whoever is the new leader and FM. They have gained seats mostly as the 2nd independence party and will co tinge to do so if they support the government. If they don't they will be consined to history. Alba won't get many votes either as they are toxic and all about Salmond rather than anything else. He was pushing the narrative that Regan was the most powerful MSP all weekend, while all the time it was him doing the press rounds himself. SNP 1 and 2 may be the best solution as it was before

SNP 1 and 2 is absolutely the best for SNP voters. It’s what worked best in 2011 and can do so again.


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[Northernhibee]

Both Westminster and Hollyrood on three PM/FM’s in the one electoral term. Shambolic.

[Ozyhibby]

Both Westminster and Hollyrood on three PM/FM’s in the one electoral term. Shambolic.

We don’t vote for Presidents in this country. I don’t see what is so hard to understand. Parties have been changing leader mid term my whole life in this country and still people seem to struggle with the idea in their head?
Sunak is just as legitimate a PM as Johnson(also came in mid term) was. All parties do it because that’s is how the system is designed to work.


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[Stairway 2 7]

If the greens want to return any seats in 2026 they will need to back whoever is the new leader and FM. They have gained seats mostly as the 2nd independence party and will co tinge to do so if they support the government. If they don't they will be consined to history. Alba won't get many votes either as they are toxic and all about Salmond rather than anything else. He was pushing the narrative that Regan was the most powerful MSP all weekend, while all the time it was him doing the press rounds himself. SNP 1 and 2 may be the best solution as it was before

I just basically did what I was told and voted green second vote as I wanted independence candidates. It baffles me they couldn't get a competent SNP b team together. Why anyone would get Salmond to front a party after his bad press is beyond me.

My preference would be generic independence party but i think a labour for independence party would take votes from some old Comrades that have voted labour and always will

[marinello59]

If the greens want to return any seats in 2026 they will need to back whoever is the new leader and FM. They have gained seats mostly as the 2nd independence party and will co tinge to do so if they support the government. If they don't they will be consined to history. Alba won't get many votes either as they are toxic and all about Salmond rather than anything else. He was pushing the narrative that Regan was the most powerful MSP all weekend, while all the time it was him doing the press rounds himself. SNP 1 and 2 may be the best solution as it was before

Don’t discount the Greens doing a deal with Labour after the next Holyrood election. They’re careerist chancers.

[Hibs4185]

Nothing says we are just waiting for Labour to take over in 2026 than appointing John Swinney. It would be like admitting we have nothing else to offer.
I don’t think he can win anyway.


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Exactly . Flynn and Forbes etc maybe know they are onto a hiding so keeping their powder dry for a relaunch after the election.

In saying that, Flynn would probably be the favourite in that scenario so Forbes wants it she may have to bite the bullet and go for it now

[Ozyhibby]

Exactly . Flynn and Forbes etc maybe know they are onto a hiding so keeping their powder dry for a relaunch after the election.

In saying that, Flynn would probably be the favourite in that scenario so Forbes wants it she may have to bite the bullet and go for it now

I think that’s about right. You don’t wait for these things.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/thenewsagents/status/1784970297407332509?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Flynn rules himself out and backs Swinney.


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[Northernhibee]

We don’t vote for Presidents in this country. I don’t see what is so hard to understand. Parties have been changing leader mid term my whole life in this country and still people seem to struggle with the idea in their head?
Sunak is just as legitimate a PM as Johnson(also came in mid term) was. All parties do it because that’s is how the system is designed to work.


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Still means at a time where we have the cost of living crisis and numerous other issues putting stress upon the population, focus is taken from that and put upon the issues within the SNP.

Be honest, if this was Sunak standing down forcing another leadership selection (or even if Starmer was ousted), the SNP followers on here would be pointing to it as a shambles.

[marinello59]

https://x.com/thenewsagents/status/1784970297407332509?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Flynn rules himself out and backs Swinney.


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They could at least pretend to be putting the needs of the country first. Forbes is going to ruffle more than a few feathers if she decides not to play along with this coronation.

[Ozyhibby]

Still means at a time where we have the cost of living crisis and numerous other issues putting stress upon the population, focus is taken from that and put upon the issues within the SNP.

Be honest, if this was Sunak standing down forcing another leadership selection (or even if Starmer was ousted), the SNP followers on here would be pointing to it as a shambles.

I think we are here because people in the SNP thought the deal with the greens was not in the interests of the people of Scotland.
People will soon have their chance to pass judgement on it all.


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[Ozyhibby]

They could at least pretend to be putting the needs of the country first. Forbes is going to ruffle more than a few feathers if she decides not to play along with this coronation.

Hope she stands. Swinney can probably keep the hot seat warm for Flynn but that’s not in the interests of everyone else. If Flynn wants it, he should go for it rather than try engineer this.


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[Pretty Boy]

If Forbes has any brains then she'll rule herself out asap and keep her powder dry for another day. If the big wigs are backing Swinney publicly then that is who they want and there seems little to be gained by going against that; particularly with a poor election showing (by recent standards) in the pipeline. A single candidate probably suits them SNP heirarchy as they can play the unity card.

She has the reason of a young family. Rule herself out at this time, pledge support to the new leader and take a frontline job if offered and prove herself, once again, to be competent and charismatic.

Swinney, should it be him, won't last long and that's the time to act. Losing out to him and/or pissing off the high head yins probably leaves her in the wilderness. I'd say the same of almost anyone with aspirations going forward. Anyone standing against Flynn in the medium term can use his backing/the coronation of Swinney against him. In the short term it feels like a lose lose.

[Ozyhibby]

If Forbes has any brains then she'll rule herself out asap and keep her powder dry for another day. If the big wigs are backing Swinney publicly then that is who they want and there seems little to be gained by going against that; particularly with a poor election showing (by recent standards) in the pipeline. A single candidate probably suits them SNP heirarchy as they can play the unity card.

She has the reason of a young family. Rule herself out at this time, pledge support to the new leader and take a frontline job if offered and prove herself, once again, to be competent and charismatic.

Swinney, should it be him, won't last long and that's the time to act. Losing out to him and/or pissing off the high head yins probably leaves her in the wilderness. I'd say the same of almost anyone with aspirations going forward. Anyone standing against Flynn in the medium term can use his backing/the coronation of Swinney against him. In the short term it feels like a lose lose.

That’s probably about right. She would probably win among the members but that’s no good if your colleagues want someone else. Whoever wins needs both constituencies.


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[grunt]

Be honest, if this was Sunak standing down forcing another leadership selection (or even if Starmer was ousted), the SNP followers on here would be pointing to it as a shambles.
Oh you're right, it is a shambles. The difference being that if it was Sunak, the papers wouldn't run it, the BBC wouldn't mention it and the next day we'd all be talking about something else.

[Keith_M]

This is probably a bit controversial, but I think I'd prefer somebody that doesn't have particularly strong religious views/leanings.

I'm not meaning this as a dig at people that have religions like Islam or the Free Church, as that is their right, it's just that we now live in a mostly secular society and we need somebody in charge that reflects that.

[Moulin Yarns]

Mhairi Black anyone??

[Paul1642]

Mhairi Black anyone??

That’s move wouldn’t gain a single vote from anyone who wouldn’t vote SNP regardless. Labour are still pretty uninspiring despite their decent polling, and Tory’s are in freefall and their vote is going to plummet. I think a large percentage electorate’s votes are still up for grabs and if the SNP appoint the right person they can still win the election with ease.

Salmond and Sturgeon gained votes from non independence oriented voters by appealing to the average Scot and I really don’t think Hughes can do that.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Swinney would be like a Sam Allerdyce appointment. He is of course a very capable politician, but I would guess that if he took charge, the burning question would be when is he going to leave.

[Stairway 2 7]

This is probably a bit controversial, but I think I'd prefer somebody that doesn't have particularly strong religious views/leanings.

I'm not meaning this as a dig at people that have religions like Islam or the Free Church, as that is their right, it's just that we now live in a mostly secular society and we need somebody in charge that reflects that.

Pretty bigoted that though. I'm not religious but to say no Muslim should be FM is Pretty messed up. I don't think Humza, Sarwar or Forbes would put religion in the way at all.

[Stairway 2 7]

Swinney would be like a Sam Allerdyce appointment. He is of course a very capable politician, but I would guess that if he took charge, the burning question would be when is he going to leave.

Swinney is dug meat. He probably knows he's a fall guy. No as bad as Gilruth, Gray, Mcallan continuity puppets, but utterly awful. With a fair wind and huge luck he might get near the 27 MPs he got last time but it's doubtful.

Swinney said it was game playing for the tories to install a new leader without calling an election so I assume there will be one soon. Sturgeon said it was an democratic imperative so she will back Swinney asking for Scottish elections.

Or the trough might be too delicious

[JimBHibees]

Oh you're right, it is a shambles. The difference being that if it was Sunak, the papers wouldn't run it, the BBC wouldn't mention it and the next day we'd all be talking about something else.

Absolute truth

[grunt]

Been thinking about starting a thread for Reform UK. But I haven't done it yet, and this post is tangentially about Yousaf, I'll post it here.

How's this for overt racism?

Yousaf, born in Rutherglen
Kahn, born in Tooting, London
Habib, born in Karachi.

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