SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Stairway 2 7]

And you don't think there would be a full record, including options offered and implications to Ministers of how these decisions were made?

Is the Dr Death bit important to you?

The inquiry heard on Friday that no minutes were kept in the "gold command" meetings they had before big decisions. They at least were poor with there record keeping
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68031255
"It also emerged that no minutes were kept of what became known colloquially as Gold Command meetings between Ms Sturgeon and senior policy advisors. These tended to happen on the days immediately prior to the Scottish Cabinet's weekly meetings.

The Scottish Covid Bereaved group said that in previous hearings some of the best, most unguarded evidence had come from informal communications such as WhatsApp and texts.

It said it would have been obvious from spring 2021 onwards that an inquiry would be held and that evidence of these discussion would be of vital importance."


It wasn't just the doctor death comment the scientific advisors both said in their WhatsApps that Sunak wasn't interested in keeping deaths down, Cummings said the same in his. That information is damning and wouldn't have came out without the WhatsApps. Having Williamson the education secretary saying teachers were lazy and needed to get back to work wouldn't have came out without WhatsApps

[Berwickhibby]

The inquiry heard on Friday that no minutes were kept in the "gold command" meetings they had before big decisions. They at least were poor with there record keeping
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68031255
"It also emerged that no minutes were kept of what became known colloquially as Gold Command meetings between Ms Sturgeon and senior policy advisors. These tended to happen on the days immediately prior to the Scottish Cabinet's weekly meetings.

The Scottish Covid Bereaved group said that in previous hearings some of the best, most unguarded evidence had come from informal communications such as WhatsApp and texts.

It said it would have been obvious from spring 2021 onwards that an inquiry would be held and that evidence of these discussion would be of vital importance."


It wasn't just the doctor death comment the scientific advisors both said in their WhatsApps that Sunak wasn't interested in keeping deaths down, Cummings said the same in his. That information is damning and wouldn't have came out without the WhatsApps. Having Williamson the education secretary saying teachers were lazy and needed to get back to work wouldn't have came out without WhatsApps

You’re wasting your bandwidth bud, I suggest we wait for the inquiry’s findings. There are some who believe that Sturgeon can and could not do wrong.

[Ozyhibby]

You’re wasting your bandwidth bud, I suggest we wait for the inquiry’s findings. There are some who believe that Sturgeon can and could not do wrong.

That’s what I always get from you. You always give the impression you are waiting for the enquiry before making your mind up. Wish we could all be as fair minded. [emoji23]


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[grunt]

There are some who believe that Sturgeon can and could not do wrong.Hi Admins. Someone has hijacked Berwickhibby's account and is posting as if from him. :greengrin

[Just Alf]

That's an absolute fudge no one couldsay that with a straight face. Giving the assurance you will give your WhatsApps to the enquiry and deleting them are the exact opposite things.

If my accountant said can I see your receipts. If I said yes and then burnt them he would call me a ******g liar. "I said I would give you them, I didn't say I wouldn't get rid of them"Using the receipt analogy... at my work I scan my receipts and send them off to the expenses team for processing, I then chuck the originals in the bin.

That's what effectively has been done with the WhatsApp messages.

I don't think deletion is even the main argument here, the bigger question is that as the BBC puts it, MPs were allowed "to mark their own homework " as a result hiw do we know something relevant wasn't deleted either deliberately or by mistake.

[Berwickhibby]

Hi Admins. Someone has hijacked Berwickhibby's account and is posting as if from him. :greengrin

I have not called her Nippy on here for ages :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

I have not called her Nippy on here for ages :greengrin

Perhaps because she isn't first minister anymore??


I refer you to your post on the congestion charge thread


Originally Posted by Berwickhibby:
I will leave the circus clown performing to Yousless and his Government

[Berwickhibby]

Perhaps because she isn't first minister anymore??


I refer you to your post on the congestion charge thread


Originally Posted by Berwickhibby:
I will leave the circus clown performing to Yousless and his Government

Oh I do believe Humza is a Useless Clown and sooner he is elected out the better, he has been a disaster in every ministerial post he has held.

[hibee]

Oh I do believe Humza is a Useless Clown and sooner he is elected out the better, he has been a disaster in every ministerial post he has held.

He really has mastered the art of failing upwards.

[Hibrandenburg]

That's almost the point I was making with telephone calls earlier.

Having been a civil servant for almost 40 years I was always aware what should be kept for the official records, particularly in policy areas.

Of course not many phone calls made the official record. Minutes taken at very important meetings were not verbatim, sometimes only salient points. Lots of correspondence didn't make the official record.

It's a judgement call from whoever has written it or is reviewing it as to whether or not it should be part of the official record.

Having said that, and I said the same thing months ago, I'm surprised WhatsApp was used for any sort of official business. I can't imagine, even if policy was decided on WhatsApp, there wouldn't be a fuller record of the decisions made and how they were reached kept elsewhere.

Of course if all you're interested in is salacious gossip as was evident at #10 then the possibility there are missing WhatsApp messages will be devastating 😆 However with the lack of Dominic Cummings or Daft Boris characters up here they'd likely be disappointed anyway.

:agree:

[Stairway 2 7]

Edinburgh council education comity agreed last night to put forward £8 million of education cuts. This is what years of Council tax freezes gets you. Yes we need the new system they promised but in the meantime freezing them is crippling councils

[Ozyhibby]

Edinburgh council education comity agreed last night to put forward £8 million of education cuts. This is what years of Council tax freezes gets you. Yes we need the new system they promised but in the meantime freezing them is crippling councils

We have a Labour/Tory council.


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[Kato]

Edinburgh council education comity agreed last night to put forward £8 million of education cuts. This is what years of Council tax freezes gets you. Yes we need the new system they promised but in the meantime freezing them is crippling councilsWe have ongoing payments towards a £1.3B Tram system, I mean line, and a very expensive enquiry into why its £1.3B to pay for too.

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[superfurryhibby]

We have ongoing payments towards a £1.3B Tram system, I mean line, and a very expensive enquiry into why its £1.3B to pay for too.

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Yet some want to see it extended.

Said this before but when there is a finite (that means limited :wink:) pot of money, there are choices to be made. Education, social care, housing, community projects are all much more of a priority for me.
The Tram is the epitome of a public works project gone wrong, compounded by the insane and utterly needless decision to extend it further.

[Stairway 2 7]

We have a Labour/Tory council.


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Who have came in to this but massive cuts are being replicated in every single council including snp led councils.

Glasgow Council facing £120 million of cuts in the next 3 years so can't be explained away by Labour or trams.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/23922572.glasgow-city-council-faces-120m-cuts-next-three-years/

Even with last year's rise council budgets are almost 5% down in 10 year's in real terms. It's a matter of what they chose to cut.

The constant council tax freeze is a horrible populist policy that disproportionately effects the worst off

[Stairway 2 7]

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[marinello59]

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[lapsedhibee]

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Flynn speaking at PMQs just now sounding like a proper statesman, in stark contrast to the children leading the two biggest parties slinging pathetic insults at each other.

[MKHIBEE]

Flynn speaking at PMQs just now sounding like a proper statesman, in stark contrast to the children leading the two biggest parties slinging pathetic insults at each other.


My 2 year old granddaughter feels insulted.

[lapsedhibee]

My 2 year old granddaughter feels insulted.

Honestly don't know why Starmer and Sunak don't just throw food at each other. 'Mother of Parliaments' :faf:

[degenerated]

Who have came in to this but massive cuts are being replicated in every single council including snp led councils.

Glasgow Council facing £120 million of cuts in the next 3 years so can't be explained away by Labour or trams.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/23922572.glasgow-city-council-faces-120m-cuts-next-three-years/

Even with last year's rise council budgets are almost 5% down in 10 year's in real terms. It's a matter of what they chose to cut.

The constant council tax freeze is a horrible populist policy that disproportionately effects the worst offI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the £770 million that Glasgow council are into the women that labour ripped off and fought in court over equal pay is probably a bigger issue for their finances than the freeze in council tax has caused.

[wookie70]

Honestly don't know why Starmer and Sunak don't just throw food at each other. 'Mother of Parliaments' :faf: Rock, paper, scissors to see who wins every Wednesday or who says Ma Da is bigger than your Da last. It is a complete embarrassment and given the PM or at least the last few never come close to answering I'm not sure what purpose it serves apart to further demonstrate what a sham our democracy is

[McD]

Rock, paper, scissors to see who wins every Wednesday or who says Ma Da is bigger than your Da last. It is a complete embarrassment and given the PM or at least the last few never come close to answering I'm not sure what purpose it serves apart to further demonstrate what a sham our democracy is


:agree:


I also think it’s a nonsense that the PM gets fore notice of the questions - you’re the leader of the country, if you can’t handle some questions about things you should be fully across anyway without needing to be prepped, then you’re in the wrong job

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the £770 million that Glasgow council are into the women that labour ripped off and fought in court over equal pay is probably a bigger issue for their finances than the freeze in council tax has caused.

All 32 council areas are in debt Aberdeen and East Lothian have the highest debt per person. We could try and find blame to explain away but their is no doubt the freeze effects all

[degenerated]

All 32 council areas are in debt Aberdeen and East Lothian have the highest debt per person. We could try and find blame to explain away but their is no doubt the freeze effects allYou specifically said that the problems in Glasgow couldn't be attributed to Labour or the Trams. Regardless of what the position is in other councils it's beyond doubt that labour are a huge part of the problems in Glasgow City Council.

[Stairway 2 7]

You specifically said that the problems in Glasgow couldn't be attributed to Labour or the Trams. Regardless of what the position is in other councils it's beyond doubt that labour are a huge part of the problems in Glasgow City Council.

All the neolib parties are on a merry-go-round of shafting. What I'm saying is no one left wing imo can say dropping council funding 5% over 10 years is a good thing. There's excuses for each area they have been run by all of the big 4

[degenerated]

All the neolib parties are on a merry-go-round of shafting. What I'm saying is no one left wing imo can say dropping council funding 5% over 10 years is a good thing. There's excuses for each area they have been run by all of the big 4What you said was

"Glasgow Council facing £120 million of cuts in the next 3 years so can't be explained away by Labour or trams."

Labour are a huge part of the problem in Glasgow.

[Stairway 2 7]

What you said was

"Glasgow Council facing £120 million of cuts in the next 3 years so can't be explained away by Labour or trams."

Labour are a huge part of the problem in Glasgow.

They are, snp and Labour are a full part of the problem in Edinburgh. Not one policy kills us it's death by neolib 1000 cuts. There is no doubt though SNP cutting the budget by 5% causes every council (all their **** ups included) to have to cut services

[Moulin Yarns]

They are, snp and Labour are a full part of the problem in Edinburgh. Not one policy kills us it's death by neolib 1000 cuts. There is no doubt though SNP cutting the budget by 5% causes every council (all their **** ups included) to have to cut services

You're going to have to show where you get a 5% cut. There has been no cuts and every council is getting funding to cover the council tax freeze up to 5%

[Stairway 2 7]

You're going to have to show where you get a 5% cut. There has been no cuts and every council is getting funding to cover the council tax freeze up to 5%

I'll try to find it but it had already grown to 4.2% between 2012 and 2021
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/councils-face-significant-challenges-amid-snp-funding-cuts-finds-watchdog-3604695

Due to inflation the 5% won't cover the freeze and the increased wages so another cut in real terms

[Moulin Yarns]

I'll try to find it but it had already grown to 4.2% between 2012 and 2021
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/councils-face-significant-challenges-amid-snp-funding-cuts-finds-watchdog-3604695

Due to inflation the 5% won't cover the freeze and the increased wages so another cut in real terms

But not really a cut which is why I queried it.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/alexgill_/status/1750473962176331926?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Language unbecoming of a FM.[emoji23]


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[Berwickhibby]

https://x.com/alexgill_/status/1750473962176331926?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Language unbecoming of a FM.[emoji23]


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Jings … I actually agree with Sturgeon… need a wee sit down 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Stairway 2 7]

But not really a cut which is why I queried it.

I and I think others speak about cuts as in real terms but I probably should have been clearer to be fair. After inflation there has been a cut

[grunt]

Jings … I actually agree with Sturgeon… need a wee sit down 🤣🤣🤣🤣Just a small step away from https://www.snp.org/join/member/

:greengrin

[Kato]

The Tram is the epitome of a public works project gone wrong, compounded by the insane and utterly needless decision to extend it further.

No it's gone right. We all just look at it upside down. The point wasn't delivering a tram service, the point was a montization opportunity for those whose thumbs were closest to the pie. See also HS2 (which will make the trams scandal look like nicking an extra few feet of scelectrix track), covid profiteering etc etc. The whole point is what is in it for them. If the project isn't delivered, that doesn't matter.

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[Berwickhibby]

Just a small step away from https://www.snp.org/join/member/

:greengrin

2 hopes Bob and the cape of good 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[overdrive]

https://x.com/alexgill_/status/1750473962176331926?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Language unbecoming of a FM.[emoji23]


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The fake stuff that came out after that that loads of folk fell for, including me, was pretty funny too.

[marinello59]

Welcome words from Yousaf, he gets it.

"On this issue of informal messages, including WhatsApps, let me unreservedly apologise to this inquiry but also to those who are mourning the loss of a loved one by Covid, for the Government's frankly poor handling of the various Rule Nine requests in relation to informal messaging.

"There's no excuse for it. We should have done better, and it's why I reiterate that public apology today."

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.threads.net/@podsavetheuk/post/C2iTzwSI1kp/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

🤣🤣🤣

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/stvnews/status/1750853865627369673?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Horrific headline. Media bias against the SNP hitting new levels.


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[Callum_62]

https://x.com/stvnews/status/1750853865627369673?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Horrific headline. Media bias against the SNP hitting new levels.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Grimm polling across the board for the snp and the third nowcast that shows a labour seat lead. Humza will go but will they change tactics before election or take a huge drop in seats as a given and change post election.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3231dbaa-9fb6-4a08-a855-5276aad9f734?shareToken=b2e01284f1db7aa4ef13025db3 2f574b

[ardecos]

Grimm polling across the board for the snp and the third nowcast that shows a labour seat lead. Humza will go but will they change tactics before election or take a huge drop in seats as a given and change post election.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3231dbaa-9fb6-4a08-a855-5276aad9f734?shareToken=b2e01284f1db7aa4ef13025db3 2f574b

It's probably all a cunning plan ((C) Baldrick). When the SNP took all the Labour seats after the 2014 referendum then a whole load of Labour freeloaders joined the SNP. Now is the chance for them all to follow the winners again and go back to Labour, thus makng the SNP a more governalbe and sensible party.

[marinello59]

It's probably all a cunning plan ((C) Baldrick). When the SNP took all the Labour seats after the 2014 referendum then a whole load of Labour freeloaders joined the SNP. Now is the chance for them all to follow the winners again and go back to Labour, thus makng the SNP a more governalbe and sensible party.

I think the SNP was ahead of the game on that one when the former leader set up Alba for all the loonies and malcontents to join. :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

Kate Forbes. With friends like these and all that.

She's fair put the cat among the pigeons.

[Andy Bee]

Kate Forbes. With friends like these and all that.

She's fair put the cat among the pigeons.

TBF she wasn't as destructive as some clips on Twitter are making out, I thought she stuck up for NS as best she could albeit still distancing herself from being a continuity candidate if/when she tries for the leadership again. One thing is for sure though, she certainly made the point that the current constitutional system does not work and needs changed whether you support SNP doing it or not, it just needs done.

[Ozyhibby]

Kate Forbes. With friends like these and all that.

She's fair put the cat among the pigeons.

Sounds like she was open and honest throughout?


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[Kato]

Sounds like she was open and honest throughout?


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[grunt]

BBC Scotland wetting themselves in anticipation of sticking the knives into Sturgeon today; regardless of what she says at the inquiry they will use the opportunity to stoke up anti SNP and anti Sturgeon sentiment. It's what they live for these days.

[Pretty Boy]

Sounds like she was open and honest throughout?


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She was.

[grunt]

Here's a funny story:

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24086599.uk-covid-inquiry-follows-downwiththesnp-twitter/


THE official account of the UK Covid Inquiry only follows one account on Twitter/X and it is called “DownWithTheSNP”.

[Moulin Yarns]

Here's a funny story:

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24086599.uk-covid-inquiry-follows-downwiththesnp-twitter/

Guess what, I looked, and the official Covid-19 enquiry account doesn't follow anyone.

[grunt]

Guess what, I looked, and the official Covid-19 enquiry account doesn't follow anyone.Doesn't follow anyone NOW. Are you seriously suggesting they made it up?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFKgCBtXcAAnk_V?format=png&name=small


An inquiry spokesperson said: "The UK Covid-19 Inquiry is independent, apolitical and only reaches conclusions once all the evidence has been thoroughly examined."

"The inquiry's @covidinquiryuk X account follows no other accounts – any prior follows were in error."

[Jim44]

Putting aside her emotional reaction to some of the questions today, I don’t think Nicola Sturgeon looked well at all. I am not an SNP supporter, but thought she did a decent job during the crisis. It seems to have taken its toll.

[Ozyhibby]

Putting aside her emotional reaction to some of the questions today, I don’t think Nicola Sturgeon looked well at all. I am not an SNP supporter, but thought she did a decent job during the crisis. It seems to have taken its toll.

I’m not surprised with everyone lining up to give her a kicking without actually pointing to a significant wrong decision outside of the two already admitted by her of not locking down earlier and not testing before releasing people into care homes. On top of that she has the world’s slowest police investigation hanging over her.


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[Stairway 2 7]

I’m not surprised with everyone lining up to give her a kicking without actually pointing to a significant wrong decision outside of the two already admitted by her of not locking down earlier and not testing before releasing people into care homes. On top of that she has the world’s slowest police investigation hanging over her.


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Excess deaths were the same as England with dafties like boris and Hancock in charge. I do believe her focus was on saving lives.

In hindsight there were many wrong decisions although it was impossible to know many at the time. We were still sending untested old folks into care homes after England. In the summer of 2020 we kept schools closed 2 months longer than England and a month later in 22 our education levels are now bellow England and fell more in the pandemic

We closed businesses more often post vaccine this obviously caused financial harms to businesses that is still being felt.

We had an extra lockdown to England due to Omicron pubs ect were closed over Christmas and New Year. England correctly decided Omicron was less harmful and it was ok to stay open as vaccines would do their job.

Bar Humza saying going into different zones could cause children to go to hospital and 11 kids had recently been hospitalised due to covid (a lie), the daftest thing I heard during was NS going on TV saying Danish figures shows Omicron is more deadly as a matter of fact. I said at the time it's only 50 people so far. When it expanded to thousands the week later and showed it was less deadly she refused to take it back. She just wanted the justification for closure.

I'd be happy with all the extra rules and closures if it worked and we had less deaths but every rule had a consequence whether financial or mental.

Hindsight is everything but end result shows we did the same as England. England was correct to open up post vaccines, vaccines were the only real difference in death outcomes in the vulnerable groups. It was an impossible horrible task for leaders

Hindsight again I would have locked down harder the first and second wave then trusted the vaccine results and opened up post roll out.

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFP5_X6XAAAgPFq?format=png&name=small

[Kato]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFP5_X6XAAAgPFq?format=png&name=small...and he could steal the sugar oot yer tea.

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[Moulin Yarns]

...and he could steal the sugar oot yer tea.

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And he admitted to deleting all his WhatsApp messages 🙄

[weecounty hibby]

And he admitted to deleting all his WhatsApp messages 🙄

But that is OK because he's not Nicola Sturgeon. Witch hunt doesn't even begin to describe what's going on here

[Ozyhibby]

But that is OK because he's not Nicola Sturgeon. Witch hunt doesn't even begin to describe what's going on here

It’s a pretty horrific pile on.
As has been pointed out, only the vaccine really brought this to an end and nobody is immune from bad decisions but what it appears the Scottish media have decided they can pin all the deaths on NS without pointing to a mistake she made that wasn’t made elsewhere.


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[Stairway 2 7]

But that is OK because he's not Nicola Sturgeon. Witch hunt doesn't even begin to describe what's going on here

Everyone slammed Rishi for deleting his and Boris for reluctant handing over his. Everyone one of them who didn't hand over are a shower. As Forbes said it was obvious there would be an enquiry and these would be important. I don't think it's a witch hunt against the SNP and the tories I think people are angry with the handling of information. Boris rightly got smashed at the inquiry

Lots of good articles on the disgrace of Sunak deleting his
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/05/31/what-rishi-sunak-is-trying-to-hide-with-his-whatsapp-cover-up/

What is Rishi Sunak really trying to hide? That’s the inevitable question posed by the Prime Minister’s continued refusal to hand over key diaries and WhatsApp messages to the COVID Inquiry.

The refusal is no small thing. Under the terms of the Inquiries Act, ministers have a legal obligation to hand over any material which the inquiry’s chair, Lady Hallett, demands of them. Failure to do so could constitute a crime

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rishi-sunak-whatsapp-texts-covid-inquiry-b2422937.html
Sunak ‘not sharing’ Covid WhatsApp texts ‘a disgrace straight from Boris playbook’

[weecounty hibby]

Everyone slammed Rishi for deleting his and Boris for reluctant handing over his. Everyone one of them who didn't hand over are a shower. As Forbes said it was obvious there would be an enquiry and these would be important. I don't think it's a witch hunt against the SNP and the tories I think people are angry with the handling of information. Boris rightly got smashed at the inquiry

Lots of good articles on the disgrace of Sunak deleting his
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/05/31/what-rishi-sunak-is-trying-to-hide-with-his-whatsapp-cover-up/

What is Rishi Sunak really trying to hide? That’s the inevitable question posed by the Prime Minister’s continued refusal to hand over key diaries and WhatsApp messages to the COVID Inquiry.

The refusal is no small thing. Under the terms of the Inquiries Act, ministers have a legal obligation to hand over any material which the inquiry’s chair, Lady Hallett, demands of them. Failure to do so could constitute a crime

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rishi-sunak-whatsapp-texts-covid-inquiry-b2422937.html
Sunak ‘not sharing’ Covid WhatsApp texts ‘a disgrace straight from Boris playbook’

I'm not really sure what your trying to say here. Do you think NS has been treated the same as Johnson, Sunak, Jack, etc? Should we be seeing Sarwar, Baillie, Foulks etc messages? They seemed to be very involved in trying to prevent messages being broadcast. Why was that? Could it have been political?

[Stairway 2 7]

It’s a pretty horrific pile on.
As has been pointed out, only the vaccine really brought this to an end and nobody is immune from bad decisions but what it appears the Scottish media have decided they can pin all the deaths on NS without pointing to a mistake she made that wasn’t made elsewhere.


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It would be horrendous and wrong to say NS didn't try to keep covid deaths as low as possible. It was a thankless task for any leader and one that's effecting everyone that was in charge at the time in elections post it around the world I think

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm not really sure what your trying to say here. Do you think NS has been treated the same as Johnson, Sunak, Jack, etc? Should we be seeing Sarwar, Baillie, Foulks etc messages? They seemed to be very involved in trying to prevent messages being broadcast. Why was that? Could it have been political?

She's getting treated the same as Boris and Hancock they were destroyed. We saw Whitteys, Boris, Hancocks ect WhatsApps as they were in charge. Of course we don't see the opposition who didn't make the decisions, that's the burden of being in government your decisions and how they came about are scrutinised

[Greenbeard]

BBC Scotland wetting themselves in anticipation of sticking the knives into Sturgeon today; regardless of what she says at the inquiry they will use the opportunity to stoke up anti SNP and anti Sturgeon sentiment. It's what they live for these days.
Soaked through yesterday.

[Greenbeard]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFP5_X6XAAAgPFq?format=png&name=small
Who is this non-entity?

[grunt]

Who is this non-entity?
That's your Secretary of State for Scotland. Please show some respect.

[grunt]

She's getting treated the same as Boris and Hancock they were destroyed. Disagree. She was on the end of very hostile questioning. Nothing like the soft soap that Johnson received.

[Stairway 2 7]

Disagree. She was on the end of very hostile questioning. Nothing like the soft soap that Johnson received.

I thought he was eviscerated and looked like a schoolboy who was going to cry. Just kept apologising and had no answer for the missing WhatsApps. It was correct they got grilled as it was led by the bereaved family members

[Greenbeard]

That's your Secretary of State for Scotland. Please show some respect.
Like I said. A non-entity. Imagine if he'd been in charge through the pandemic! Or Ross or Sanwar for that matter.

[Ozyhibby]

I thought he was eviscerated and looked like a schoolboy who was going to cry. Just kept apologising and had no answer for the missing WhatsApps. It was correct they got grilled as it was led by the bereaved family members

The thing about that is what can really be achieved for the bereaved family members? All that really would have helped them would have been a quicker vaccine? Across Europe, the death tolls were very similar. The main difference being extra capacity within your health system did seem to help. I didn’t see any questions for NS yesterday on that?

The enquiry seems to be about govt record keeping rather than actually trying to find out what we could do better.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The thing about that is what can really be achieved for the bereaved family members? All that really would have helped them would have been a quicker vaccine? Across Europe, the death tolls were very similar. The main difference being extra capacity within your health system did seem to help. I didn’t see any questions for NS yesterday on that?

The enquiry seems to be about govt record keeping rather than actually trying to find out what we could do better.


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I agree but record keeping is important and having meetings not minuted and is a learning curve. It's obviously hard to say to the bereaved that the virus was just going to do its thing regardless and to blame God or a lab. It's important they got there moment to show how and why decisions were made.

I agree the enquiry asked all the wrong questions and are wanting to blame when there perhaps isn'tanyone.

It should have been about how prepared we were and how prepared we are. We were lucky we had Oxford for covid. Post that brexit is hammering research, will we change that
What lockdown measures harm the economy, mental and educational levels most and by how much
How will hospitals cope in a future event are we ready to increase capacity whilst keeping other surgery ongoing
How will we get minorities to get vaccinated and suffer less
Where did we fail and succeed compared to others
Are we ready for the future

We all feel the need to blame but the leaders had an impossible task. I saw a good anology that it should have been dealt like an aircrash investigation. We are running it like getting the pilots and blaming them and then saying as long as we don't have these pilots we might not crash. We should say why did this happen how and how does it not happen in the future. It hasn't so we'll learn nothing

[JimBHibees]

But that is OK because he's not Nicola Sturgeon. Witch hunt doesn't even begin to describe what's going on here

Absolutely despicable. Better together clearly. What an absolute shambles Britain has become with as corrupt a media as you can get

[Ozyhibby]

I agree but record keeping is important and having meetings not minuted and is a learning curve. It's obviously hard to say to the bereaved that the virus was just going to do its thing regardless and to blame God or a lab. It's important they got there moment to show how and why decisions were made.

I agree the enquiry asked all the wrong questions and are wanting to blame when there perhaps isn'tanyone.

It should have been about how prepared we were and how prepared we are. We were lucky we had Oxford for covid. Post that brexit is hammering research, will we change that
What lockdown measures harm the economy, mental and educational levels most and by how much
How will hospitals cope in a future event are we ready to increase capacity whilst keeping other surgery ongoing
How will we get minorities to get vaccinated and suffer less
Where did we fail and succeed compared to others
Are we ready for the future

We all feel the need to blame but the leaders had an impossible task. I saw a good anology that it should have been dealt like an aircrash investigation. We are running it like getting the pilots and blaming them and then saying as long as we don't have these pilots we might not crash. We should say why did this happen how and how does it not happen in the future. It hasn't so we'll learn nothing

You’d think with all the public inquiries we have in this country we would know how to do them by now. Unfortunately not.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/02/cardiff-edinburgh-devolved-labour-leadership-union


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/frasernelson/status/1754264608636907828?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Free bus pass getting the blame for a murder now.[emoji102]
There is no floor to how low they will go to attack the SNP.


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[Kato]

https://x.com/frasernelson/status/1754264608636907828?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Free bus pass getting the blame for a murder now.[emoji102]
There is no floor to how low they will go to attack the SNP.


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[degenerated]

Is there a bigger bootlicker than Fraser Nelson?

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkIt's a fairly strong field to be fair. Andrew Neil, Alan Cochrane, Alex Massie, Stephen Daisley, Kenny Farquharson, Paul Hutcheon, Hugo Rifkind, Chris Musson, Euan McColm..............etc, etc, etc..

No shortage of bootlickers in that particular trade

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240207/7cb5b9ef4c5ea21ab1cdf7b7a636bcf0.jpg
Slightly better polling for the SNP today and for independence.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240207/7cb5b9ef4c5ea21ab1cdf7b7a636bcf0.jpg
Slightly better polling for the SNP today and for independence.


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We had the same conversation the last time ipsos put up their Scottish poll. Its always an outlier and has snp and yes further ahead than the rest. It was also just before the independence referendum it said 47% yes 49% no 5% undecided. They were the furthest out of the 8 polls the week before the referendum.

Redfield Wilton release their latest Scottish poll tonight at 5 it'll be interesting to see how that is compared to January. They had snp and Labour neck and neck then as have the 6 other polls since the last ipsos

[JimBHibees]

We had the same conversation the last time ipsos put up their Scottish poll. Its always an outlier and has snp and yes further ahead than the rest. It was also just before the independence referendum it said 47% yes 49% no 5% undecided. They were the furthest out of the 8 polls the week before the referendum.

Redfield Wilton release their latest Scottish poll tonight at 5 it'll be interesting to see how that is compared to January. They had snp and Labour neck and neck then as have the 6 other polls since the last ipsos

Starting to like Ipsos 😌

[Moulin Yarns]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240207/7cb5b9ef4c5ea21ab1cdf7b7a636bcf0.jpg
Slightly better polling for the SNP today and for independence.


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Recent Survation poll

https://news.stv.tv/world/snp-and-labour-on-course-to-win-same-number-of-westminster-seats-poll-suggests

Neck and neck.

[Stairway 2 7]

One poll doesn't mean anything but it's clear in every poll that things are getting worse for the SNP. That's over 14 months of near constant decline in the polling. That's what you get when you pick a continuity candidate for a party who's polling is in free fall.

@RedfieldWilton
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Labour leads the SNP by 1% in Scotland.

Scotland Westminster VI (3-4 February):

Labour 34% (-1)
SNP 33% (-2)
Conservative 18% (+1)
Lib Dem 8% (-1)
Reform UK 4% (+2)

RedfieldWilton
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Labour leads the SNP by 2% in regional VI for a Scottish parliamentary election.

Holyrood Regional List VI (3-4 February):

Labour 29% (-1)
SNP 27% (+2)
Conservatives 16% (-1)
Green 9% (-2)
Lib Dem 9% (-1)

RedfieldWilton
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SNP leads by 2% in constituency VI for Holyrood.

Holyrood Constituency VI (3-4 February):

SNP 35% (-2)
Labour 33% (+1)
Conservative 18% (–)
Lib Dem 8% (–)
Reform 3% (+2)

@RedfieldWilton
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'No' leads by 4 points.

Scotland Independence Referendum Voting Intention (3-4 February):

No 47% (–)
Yes 43% (-3)
Don't Know 10% (+3)

[hibee]

Humza and Rishi neck and neck in the approval ratings:

Humza Yousaf Approval Rating in Scotland (3-4 February):

Disapprove: 42% (+5)
Approve: 25% (-6)
Net: -17% (-11)

Rishi Sunak Approval Rating (4 February):

Disapprove: 47% (-1)
Approve: 29% (-1)
Net: -18% (–)

[Berwickhibby]

Human and Rishi neck and neck in the approval ratings:

Humza Yousaf Approval Rating in Scotland (3-4 February):

Disapprove: 42% (+5)
Approve: 25% (-6)
Net: -17% (-11)

Rishi Sunak Approval Rating (4 February):

Disapprove: 47% (-1)
Approve: 29% (-1)
Net: -18% (–)

I am am not surprised… both as hopeless as each other

[Kato]

I am am not surprised… both as hopeless as each otherThat's the subliminal Tory message that's out and about, "all as bad as each other", in the hope that some non-tory voters stay home.

None of main parties in Scotland are as venal, grasping or corrupt as the Tories. Being inept but governing in good faith would see any party outstrip the Tories governance by several 100s%.

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[Berwickhibby]

That's the subliminal Tory message that's out and about, "all as bad as each other", in the hope that some non-tory voters stay home.

None of main parties in Scotland are as venal, grasping or corrupt as the Tories. Being inept but governing in good faith would see any party outstrip the Tories governance by several 100s%.

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I certainly won’t be staying home…I have always used my right to vote …and it won’t be Tories or Tartan Tories 😉

[Stairway 2 7]

Humza and Rishi neck and neck in the approval ratings:

Humza Yousaf Approval Rating in Scotland (3-4 February):

Disapprove: 42% (+5)
Approve: 25% (-6)
Net: -17% (-11)

Rishi Sunak Approval Rating (4 February):

Disapprove: 47% (-1)
Approve: 29% (-1)
Net: -18% (–)

Grossly unfair to Yousaf, ridiculous to compare him to Sunak who is as disgusting a politician as you can get

[Hibrandenburg]

I certainly won’t be staying home…I have always used my right to vote …and it won’t be Tories or Tartan Tories 😉

Red Tories?

[Moulin Yarns]

I certainly won’t be staying home…I have always used my right to vote …and it won’t be Tories or Tartan Tories 😉

So you are the libdem voter!!! 😂

[hibee]

Grossly unfair to Yousaf, ridiculous to compare him to Sunak who is as disgusting a politician as you can get

The SNP compare themselves to England all the time so there’s nothing unfair about comparing the leaders in a poll. What’s more unfair is we’re stuck with the two of them.

The fact that a higher percentage of people approve of Rishi than Humza shows how deeply unpopular the man is, hopefully they’re both out of a job soon.

[Berwickhibby]

Oh dear how sad never mind

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68239365

[hibee]

Oh dear how sad never mind

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68239365

So yesterday some papers were saying he’d been given a copy of the report, today he resigns and says he’s still waiting on the report.

Is he signing off with one last lie or did the papers get it wrong? I’m sure we’ll find out when the report is made public.

[weecounty hibby]

The SNP compare themselves to England all the time so there’s nothing unfair about comparing the leaders in a poll. What’s more unfair is we’re stuck with the two of them.

The fact that a higher percentage of people approve of Rishi than Humza shows how deeply unpopular the man is, hopefully they’re both out of a job soon.
I for one can't wait for the time that Labour come in and are the change we all want apparently. The change in WM of following all the major tory policies, brexit, immigration, bankers bonuses, and the change in Holyrood of getting rid of all the things that sets us apart from England as they don't want that. You know, tuition fees, prescriptions, two child benefit cap, bedroom tax mitigations etc etc.

[Ozyhibby]

I for one can't wait for the time that Labour come in and are the change we all want apparently. The change in WM of following all the major tory policies, brexit, immigration, bankers bonuses, and the change in Holyrood of getting rid of all the things that sets us apart from England as they don't want that. You know, tuition fees, prescriptions, two child benefit cap, bedroom tax mitigations etc etc.

You forgot bombing Gaza?
Sounds a bit like Wales? How are they doing compared to Scotland?


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[Stairway 2 7]

How about drug deaths 5 x than England tripled under the SNP and or our education levels going from above England when labour were in power to well below now. We get 30% more to spend per head than England we should be miles ahead at everything and this is being up against the worst government in UK memory. Free childcare for under 3s happening in England but not Scotland. Immigration levels are far larger in England were not doing enough with the same rules

We've no hope with the SNP, the Tory and Labour triumvirate. SNP are far superior to the tories but how could you not be with more cash and not being utter ****

[Stairway 2 7]

Oh dear how sad never mind

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68239365

It was such a poor decision but Yousaf not to sack him when the public and apparently his advisors wanted it, he admitted lying to the public for heavens sake. Matheson saying now that he's going in order to put the spotlight of the party, he'd have really done that if he had walked in October. The papers say he was shown the documents on the 7th, he says he's not seen them but has waited months just to quit as they are getting released. Who knows but once a liar

[McD]

The SNP compare themselves to England all the time so there’s nothing unfair about comparing the leaders in a poll. What’s more unfair is we’re stuck with the two of them.

The fact that a higher percentage of people approve of Rishi than Humza shows how deeply unpopular the man is, hopefully they’re both out of a job soon.



To be fair, a higher percentage also disapprove of Rishi than Humza too

[marinello59]

So yesterday some papers were saying he’d been given a copy of the report, today he resigns and says he’s still waiting on the report.

Is he signing off with one last lie or did the papers get it wrong? I’m sure we’ll find out when the report is made public.

He's a known liar so unfortunately few will believe anything he says now.

The real shame here is that he was actually the first truly competent health minister we have had for a while. If only he had come clean as soon as this was called out he just might have stayed in position. It sort of explains (but doesn't excuse) Yousaf's reluctance to sack him when the talent pool at the top has all but dried up.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24105981.lidl-major-supermarket-launches-bottle-return-scheme-scottish-city/


Well done Lidl, what you gonna do Westminster?

[JimBHibees]

I certainly won’t be staying home…I have always used my right to vote …and it won’t be Tories or Tartan Tories 😉

So Labour Tories then

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240209/a7f8adc393f005bb69602addb4e52e9b.jpg

Scotland performing best on cancer treatment but still struggling.


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[grunt]

I certainly won’t be staying home…I have always used my right to vote …and it won’t be Tories or Tartan Tories 😉
This insult is now 45 years old. About time you gave it a rest?

[hibee]

I certainly won’t be staying home…I have always used my right to vote …and it won’t be Tories or Tartan Tories [emoji6]


This insult is now 45 years old. About time you gave it a rest?

I’ve never had any interest in politics so didn’t know about the tartan tories and I’m not old enough to remember 1979 so have just done a bit of reading up on it.

Can’t believe after all the things the SNP say about the years of Tory rule that they were responsible for Margaret Thatcher becoming Prime Minister!

[Berwickhibby]

This insult is now 45 years old. About time you gave it a rest?

Why?

[Kato]

I’ve never had any interest in politics so didn’t know about the tartan tories and I’m not old enough to remember 1979 so have just done a bit of reading up on it.

Can’t believe after all the things the SNP say about the years of Tory rule that they were responsible for Margaret Thatcher becoming Prime Minister!Was that not a General Election.

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[Berwickhibby]

Was that not a General Election.

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A general election brought on by the Tartan Tories and dissident Labour MPs crossing the chamber and voting with Thatcher in a vote of no confidence in Callaghan

[weecounty hibby]

A general election brought on by the Tartan Tories and dissident Labour MPs crossing the chamber and voting with Thatcher in a vote of no confidence in Callaghan
So more to do with Labour MPs than SNP then? A fact admitted by Callaghan himself. Comfort blanket for those who vote labour

[cabbageandribs1875]

This insult is now 45 years old. About time you gave it a rest?

aw come on man, the irony is absolutely hilarious


Quizmaster Q. which two British Political Parties enjoy sharing council coalitions in Scotland

contestant A. em um well shirly it has to be two right wing parties where policies align


Quizmaster you need to answer the Q

Contestant, isn't it obvious ? it has to be The Tories and they Tartan Tories

Quizmaster, why is it obvious ?

Contestant, don't be silly Mr Quizmaster i mind when being in ma school playground some auld dudes calling the SNP tartan tories

Quizmaster, are you an imbecile that was 45+ years ago have you never heard that things change

contestant, no way it can't be the SNP, ah mean SNP politicians they're all taking bungs from American private healthcare companies and only a guid socialist party like labour would refuse to accept they bungs and aw that eh

Quizmaster, no no no that was when Labour USED tae be a socialist party, they're kicking all they 'lefty' politicians out of their party now, you seem to be living in the past Mr Contestant

Contestant, aw ok then but i'll tell yi wan hing, yi widnae see Conservative and Labour politicians in power-sharing Coalitions let mae tell yi

Quizmaster, so you've never been to Scotland then Mr Contestant


Audience starts p@shing themselves laughing at Mr Contestant not seeing the irony


**** break for adverts so viewers can rush to get tissues to clear the tears of laughter****



true, honest :agree:

[Berwickhibby]

So more to do with Labour MPs than SNP then? A fact admitted by Callaghan himself. Comfort blanket for those who vote labour

On 1 March 1979, a referendum on the Scotland Act saw a majority vote for devolution, but a threshold imposed by anti-devolution MP George Cunningham requiring 40% of the electorate to be in favour was not reached due to low turnout.[4] When the government decided not to implement the Act, the Scottish National Party MPs put down a motion of no confidence. After consulting with the Liberal Party to confirm that they were still supporting motions of no confidence, on Monday, 26 March, the Leader of the Opposition, Margaret Thatcher, put down an early day motion "[t]hat this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government."The government arranged for this motion to be debated on Wednesday 28 March as an opposition motion in government time.

Who raised the motion?

[Ozyhibby]

On 1 March 1979, a referendum on the Scotland Act saw a majority vote for devolution, but a threshold imposed by anti-devolution MP George Cunningham requiring 40% of the electorate to be in favour was not reached due to low turnout.[4] When the government decided not to implement the Act, the Scottish National Party MPs put down a motion of no confidence. After consulting with the Liberal Party to confirm that they were still supporting motions of no confidence, on Monday, 26 March, the Leader of the Opposition, Margaret Thatcher, put down an early day motion "[t]hat this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government."The government arranged for this motion to be debated on Wednesday 28 March as an opposition motion in government time.

Who raised the motion?

[emoji42]


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[Kato]

A general election brought on by the Tartan Tories and dissident Labour MPs crossing the chamber and voting with Thatcher in a vote of no confidence in Callaghan

...and if the General Election had been six weeks later, or six months later or earlier.

Do you think people went out to Vote Tory thinking "well, the SNP had no confidence in Labour so I'm voting Conservative".

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[Berwickhibby]

[emoji42]


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When you don’t like the truth you post a meme 👏👏

[Berwickhibby]

...and if the General Election had been six weeks later, or six months later or earlier.

Do you think people went out to Vote Tory thinking "well, the SNP had no confidence in Labour so I'm voting Conservative".

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🤷*♂️ we’ll never no

[Kato]

[emoji1745]*[emoji3603] we’ll never noIf you going to look at history you really do have to do so with a bit detachment rather than a few bairns emojis.

The SNP were a different beast back then. The Labour Party were running on the last few fumes of Socialism they had left (they've yet to refuel). Labour was hamstrung by the mid decade fuel crisis and the Tories made political acumen from that.

Thatcher was a stick on bet to win any election whether it was called in 1979 or whenever it was due to be held.

No serious historian claims the reason Thatcher was elected because of the SNP.

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[Keith_M]

The UK electorate vote Maggie Thatcher into power in 1979 and some people still insist it's the SNP's fault.


Sorry but that's totally deranged.

[grunt]

Why?
Because it's no longer relevant? SNP are far from being Tories.

Actually no. You should stop it because it's stupid, and it makes you look stupid. I'm sure you're not.

[Stairway 2 7]

Snp worked with tories in 2007 and 2011 scot parliaments, didn't need to after due to majorities. Labour do the same in councils. Its a big neolib game.

I think the next Scottish Parliament won't have a majority for the winner, whoever has first minister will do deals with the rest probably policy by policy

[grunt]

Snp worked with tories in 2007 and 2011 scot parliaments, didn't need to after due to majorities. Labour do the same in councils. Its a big neolib game.

I think the next Scottish Parliament won't have a majority for the winner, whoever has first minister will do deals with the rest probably policy by policy
I understood the Scottish voting system is designed to avoid majorities.

[Stairway 2 7]

I understood the Scottish voting system is designed to avoid majorities.

More so than FPTP but in most countries where there is PR you usually have a dozen or so parties that get a good number of votes. We vote for pretty much 5 parties. I think post independence we'll see more parties less chance of a majority and more coalitions, hopefully

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/bbcr4today/status/1754771994376097797?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

They would never let this woman on BBC Scotland. Sound like the SNP are getting something else right.


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[Jack]

On 1 March 1979, a referendum on the Scotland Act saw a majority vote for devolution, but a threshold imposed by anti-devolution MP George Cunningham requiring 40% of the electorate to be in favour was not reached due to low turnout.[4] When the government decided not to implement the Act, the Scottish National Party MPs put down a motion of no confidence. After consulting with the Liberal Party to confirm that they were still supporting motions of no confidence, on Monday, 26 March, the Leader of the Opposition, Margaret Thatcher, put down an early day motion "[t]hat this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government."The government arranged for this motion to be debated on Wednesday 28 March as an opposition motion in government time.

Who raised the motion?

So nothing to do with the Labour government of the time being incompetent and about as popular as the torys are now?

Labour making a complete mess of running the country for a considerable time and Labour voters deserting them in their millions in the election.

Thinking it's always someone else's fault is the biggest problem Labour had then and when it got obliterated in the Scottish Parliament ... and still has now.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tories-face-wipeout-scotland-next-32125810

Interesting given the size of the poll and the accuracy they usually have. Long way to go but it’s a poll that I think will be welcome for both the SNP and Labour although Scottish Labour may be a bit disapointed( it’s still a massive win for them).


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tories-face-wipeout-scotland-next-32125810

Interesting given the size of the poll and the accuracy they usually have. Long way to go but it’s a poll that I think will be welcome for both the SNP and Labour although Scottish Labour may be a bit disapointed( it’s still a massive win for them).


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Would be brilliant I’ll be putting annual leave for the day after so I can stay up all night and watch for the first time in many elections. It'll probably be closer in both countries come election but that's the dream result. Can't wait to watch some big hitter tories lose and some red wall racists too

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tories-face-wipeout-scotland-next-32125810

Tempted to copy this link in to the Good News thread.

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/money-blog-interest-mortgage-rates-inflation-sky-news-latest-13040934?postid=7257911#liveblog-body

At least we don’t have this to worry about.


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[greenginger]

https://news.sky.com/story/money-blog-interest-mortgage-rates-inflation-sky-news-latest-13040934?postid=7257911#liveblog-body

At least we don’t have this to worry about.


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SNP government freeze council tax and promise extra funding to councils.

SNP government cancel hospital building programme and blame Westminster for lack of funding.

[Stairway 2 7]

We should definitely let councils raise the council tax. Councils have had huge cuts in real terms over the last decade and say the funding won't cover this year. Its social programs that seem to be getting the biggest kicking

Obviously council tax should be totally reformed but no party is interested in that

[Stairway 2 7]

This makes no sense and I think well anger the greens in coalition. Humza says he would oppose Labour's windfall tax on oil and gas companies as it will damage the sector. I thought the snp want less extraction. I can't see a more obvious place to tax than the energy companies obscene profits

https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/548083/humza-yousaf-would-keep-current-windfall-tax-in-place/

[greenginger]

This makes no sense and I think well anger the greens in coalition. Humza says he would oppose Labour's windfall tax on oil and gas companies as it will damage the sector. I thought the snp want less extraction. I can't see a more obvious place to tax than the energy companies obscene profits

https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/548083/humza-yousaf-would-keep-current-windfall-tax-in-place/

Over taxation will kill the goose.

Labour have forgotten the results of their 60’s tax rate of 95% and the resultant brain drain.

[Stairway 2 7]

Over taxation will kill the goose.

Labour have forgotten the results of their 60’s tax rate of 95% and the resultant brain drain.

Kill the goose. Council funding falling in real terms is killing people. Edinburgh and Glasgow councils are set to massively reduce care programs including drug support, which is already been massively cut hence our Europe beating drug deaths.

95% tax rates from before I was born is an extreme with no relevance to today. All the councils have been asking is to make rises to match inflation the last 10 years

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/scotnational/status/1760259822044529086?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

How can we spin this out even longer? Let’s just start again and interview everyone again.[emoji849]


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[Kato]

https://x.com/scotnational/status/1760259822044529086?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

How can we spin this out even longer? Let’s just start again and interview everyone again.[emoji849]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHow long has the investigations been going on now? About x4 the amount of time the Hibs pitch invasion investigation, when "every Rangers player was sent to hospital", it feels like.

We are led to believe circa £600,000 is missing.


Are they tracking it down forensically by the farthing or something?

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[Ozyhibby]

How long has the investigations been going on now? About x4 the amount of time the Hibs pitch invasion investigation, when "every Rangers player was sent to hospital", it feels like.

£600,000 is missing. Are they tracking it down forensically by the farthing or something?

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You would think £600k would be simple to find?


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[Moulin Yarns]

You would think £600k would be simple to find?


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As I said before, it's easy to find something but it takes a lot longer to find nothing. 😉

[Kato]

You would think £600k would be simple to find?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSays a lot about the current state of plod.

If you were paranoid enough you'd think the state was using plod.

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[grunt]

£600,000 is missing.
Who says it's missing? The auditors haven't qualified the accounts have they?

[Kato]

Who says it's missing? The auditors haven't qualified the accounts have they?Edited

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[grunt]

Edited
Sorry to be a ped ant but I don't believe there's any suggestion that any money is missing? Tbf I don't know what the actual allegation is, but I didn't think it was theft.

[lapsedhibee]

Who says it's missing? The auditors haven't qualified the accounts have they?

It won't be missing. It'll be in very large notes in a hollowed-out 'book' on one of Sturgeon's many bookshelves. Her whole 'I'm an avid reader, me, I love books' schtick is so that she can keep a very large book collection, so large that plod is unable to locate the hollowed-out one.

[allmodcons]

Sorry to be a ped ant but I don't believe there's any suggestion that any money is missing? Tbf I don't know what the actual allegation is, but I didn't think it was theft.

It’s a supposed misappropriation of funds.

A complaint raised by an individual who made a small donation to the SNP towards an Independence Referendum. He then fell out of love with the SNP and is asking where the £600k raised for an Independence referendum has gone.

It’s an absolute ****ing joke and a complete waste of Police resources.

Then we have these corrupt *******s at Westminster and their right wing press stirring the pot and making this alleged misappropriation of funds sound like some huge scandal, knowing full well that it’s a huge deflection from what has been the most self serving scandalous ‘government’ in modern times.

[Ozyhibby]

It’s a supposed misappropriation of funds.

A complaint raised by an individual who made a small donation to the SNP towards an Independence Referendum. He then fell out of love with the SNP and is asking where the £600k raised for an Independence referendum has gone.

It’s an absolute ****ing joke and a complete waste of Police resources.

Then we have these corrupt *******s at Westminster and their right wing press stirring the pot and making this alleged misappropriation of funds sound like some huge scandal, knowing full well that it’s a huge deflection from what has been the most self serving scandalous ‘government’ in modern times.

£1.3m spent on the investigation so far. [emoji102]


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[Moulin Yarns]

£1.3m spent on the investigation so far. [emoji102]


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600 grand well spent 🤣

[degenerated]

£1.3m spent on the investigation so far. [emoji102]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBy the time this investigation ends, with no charges, in may 2026 it will be about 3 times that.

[Stairway 2 7]

Frightening that this is our communities minister. Does not think breeds can be dangerous f me. Some breeds have been selected for their violent or powerful nature, some vets must be cringing watching this. Why are we dragging our heels on xl bully's and trying to make it a Scotland England thing

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1760714030858027465

[Ozyhibby]

Frightening that this is our communities minister. Does not think breeds can be dangerous f me. Some breeds have been selected for their violent or powerful nature, some vets must be cringing watching this. Why are we dragging our heels on xl bully's and trying to make it a Scotland England thing

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1760714030858027465

100% agree.


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[Paul1642]

Frightening that this is our communities minister. Does not think breeds can be dangerous f me. Some breeds have been selected for their violent or powerful nature, some vets must be cringing watching this. Why are we dragging our heels on xl bully's and trying to make it a Scotland England thing

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1760714030858027465

In that case would she be in favour of removing bans on Pit bull terriers, Japanese Tosas, Dogo Argentino and Fila Braziliero?

A good owner goes along way but of course dog breeds can be dangerous. Give a bad, violent owner one of the above dogs and it has the possibly to kill. Give them a pug and we should be okay 🙄

[Hiber-nation]

Frightening that this is our communities minister. Does not think breeds can be dangerous f me. Some breeds have been selected for their violent or powerful nature, some vets must be cringing watching this. Why are we dragging our heels on xl bully's and trying to make it a Scotland England thing

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1760714030858027465

Asked my mate in the SG about her as I'd never heard of her till today. "Is there a shake of the head emoji?" was his reply. Not highly rated to put it mildly.

[J-C]

70's it was German Shepherds, 80's it was Dobermans, 90's it was Rottweilers, 00's it was Pit Bulls, now we have XL Bully's. Why are these other dogs not muzzled and what makes them OK nowadays.

[Stairway 2 7]

70's it was German Shepherds, 80's it was Dobermans, 90's it was Rottweilers, 00's it was Pit Bulls, now we have XL Bully's. Why are these other dogs not muzzled and what makes them OK nowadays.

No sure on the parameters to get a dog banned but some like Dogo Argentino were specifically bread for hunting large animals. German Shepherds were bread for protection. Pit Bulls are banned though. Any dog bread for violence should be banned in my opinion. Yes it depends on the owner but some dogs will be hard to control even with good owners

[hibee]

70's it was German Shepherds, 80's it was Dobermans, 90's it was Rottweilers, 00's it was Pit Bulls, now we have XL Bully's. Why are these other dogs not muzzled and what makes them OK nowadays.

There’s no requirement to muzzle the first three and you don’t really hear of them attacking people nowadays.

I guess the bad owners of today who want their dog to be aggressive have moved on to the new must have breeds.

[J-C]

There’s no requirement to muzzle the first three and you don’t really hear of them attacking people nowadays.

I guess the bad owners of today who want their dog to be aggressive have moved on to the new must have breeds.

That was the gist of my post, the owners are the problem, I have a mate who had a Rottweiler, biggest lovable friendly dog you'd ever meet, some of those wee nippy yappy dogs are more vicious than certain bigger breeds.

[Ozyhibby]

That was the gist of my post, the owners are the problem, I have a mate who had a Rottweiler, biggest lovable friendly dog you'd ever meet, some of those wee nippy yappy dogs are more vicious than certain bigger breeds.

So can people keep lions or tigers? Surely so long as they are good owners it should be ok?


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[Stairway 2 7]

That was the gist of my post, the owners are the problem, I have a mate who had a Rottweiler, biggest lovable friendly dog you'd ever meet, some of those wee nippy yappy dogs are more vicious than certain bigger breeds.

A wee nippy dog running wild can be stopped an xl bully needs shot and can and have killed multiple male adults at a time. German Shepherds and Rottweilers were bred for their protective nature towards animals ie sheep. Akitas, pitbulls dogo Argentinos were bread to attack and kill animals. Owners are fighting against their nature what is to kill

[Ozyhibby]

A wee nippy dog running wild can be stopped an xl bully needs shot and can and have killed multiple male adults at a time. German Shepherds and Rottweilers were bred for their protective nature towards animals ie sheep. Akitas, pitbulls dogo Argentinos were bread to attack and kill animals. Owners are fighting against their nature what is to kill

15 people in last two years killed by XL bully dogs in UK.


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[JimBHibees]

15 people in last two years killed by XL bully dogs in UK.


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Incredible stat

[Stairway 2 7]

15 people in last two years killed by XL bully dogs in UK.


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Yeah and something like 8 for all other breeds combined in that time

Seems to me similar to the American gun conversation. Guns don't kill people people do

[J-C]

So can people keep lions or tigers? Surely so long as they are good owners it should be ok?


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What a stupid bloody statement, to try and compare large wild cats to big dogs ffs.
My point is we've had problems with large vicious dogs in the past. Yes these dogs have been bred for their aggressive behaviour and muzzling them is the correct thing but we have to also look at the people who are buying them and why. I want to see more punishment for these owners rather than continuing to blame the dogs themselves.

[Stairway 2 7]

What a stupid bloody statement, to try and compare large wild cats to big dogs ffs.
My point is we've had problems with large vicious dogs in the past. Yes these dogs have been bred for their aggressive behaviour and muzzling them is the correct thing but we have to also look at the people who are buying them and why. I want to see more punishment for these owners rather than continuing to blame the dogs themselves.

You can't control a populous before the incident has happened. What do you do fine them after the dog has killed them. It's like the American gun control issue. Guns aren't the problem it's the people, criminalise them.

These dogs are literally bred to kill animals I have no idea why people would want that in our society.

[J-C]

You can't control a populous before the incident has happened. What do you do fine them after the dog has killed them. It's like the American gun control issue. Guns aren't the problem it's the people, criminalise them.

These dogs are literally bred to kill animals I have no idea why people would want that in our society.

Questions should be asked, why are these breeds being bred? who are buying them and why? and maybe the people buying them have to be registered. It's like a status symbol and this type of dog ownership should be stopped, yes registration and muzzling is correct but it needed nipped in the bud before any deaths occurred, we seen what was happening in the States.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/north/dog-put-down-after-man-rushed-to-hospital-following-attack-in-auchterarder-perthshire


Not an XL Bully dog attack on a man in Auchterarder.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/factcheck/status/1762899812418994461?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Best in the UK.


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[marinello59]

Ian Blackford has refused to sign the motion of no confidence in the speaker of the house. The humble crofter really doesn’t want to put his hoped for peerage at risk does he?:greengrin

[Berwickhibby]

Ian Blackford has refused to sign the motion of no confidence in the speaker of the house. The humble crofter really doesn’t want to put his hoped for peerage at risk does he?:greengrin

Is that the Humble crofter fae Martello Court Muirhouse

[Jack]

Ian Blackford has refused to sign the motion of no confidence in the speaker of the house. The humble crofter really doesn’t want to put his hoped for peerage at risk does he?:greengrin

I thought, as a matter of principle, SNP parliamentarians didn't accept anything from the Honours list?

[Jack]

Is that the Humble crofter fae Martello Court Muirhouse

Have you been stalking him that long?

[marinello59]

I thought, as a matter of principle, SNP parliamentarians didn't accept anything from the Honours list?

Blackford has let it be known he thinks that should change. And has signalled that he would accept elevation to the House of Lords.

[Ozyhibby]

Blackford has let it be known he thinks that should change. And has signalled that he would accept elevation to the House of Lords.

I’m not sure that is correct? I’m sure I read what he actually said at the time and it was in relation to a second chamber in an Indy Scotland?


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[Berwickhibby]

Have you been stalking him that long?

I knew him back then and me and a couple of other punks stopped him getting a kicking as he was a Hibby.

[allmodcons]

Blackford has let it be known he thinks that should change. And has signalled that he would accept elevation to the House of Lords.

Where you getting this information from?

I’m fairly certain he was talking to a group of students about a second chamber in an Independent Scotland, something similar to a Senate.

Not surprised his comments have been contorted and twisted by the Daily Mail and the like but I think you’ll find in this case that they are the lying *******s here.

[CropleyWasGod]

I knew him back then and me and a couple of other punks stopped him getting a kicking as he was a Hibby.

I was a prefect when he was at school. It might have been a few of us that you stopped :greengrin


Edit. This is intended to be a light hearted off-the-cuff piece of "banter". It should not be taken seriously, and certainly not as the basis of any retrospective legal action for something that may or may not have happened 50 years ago.

[marinello59]

Where you getting this information from?

I’m fairly certain he was talking to a group of students about a second chamber in an Independent Scotland, something similar to a Senate.

Not surprised his comments have been contorted and twisted by the Daily Mail and the like but I think you’ll find in this case that they are the lying *******s here.

He did indeed suggest to a group of journalist students that a second chamber in Scotland should be considered. He also suggested that the SNP should drop their current opposition to membership of the House of Lords in order to increase their influence down there. Given that he also wants to abolish the House of Lords it was a strange thing to say.
My remark about him desiring a peerage was meant to be a light hearted response to his refusal to back a motion of no confidence in the speaker. Not very funny I grant you but I try not to take any mainstream politician too seriously these days.
Any view on his refusal to join his fellow MPs in signing the motion?

[Ozyhibby]

He did indeed suggest to a group of journalist students that a second chamber in Scotland should be considered. He also suggested that the SNP should drop their current opposition to membership of the House of Lords in order to increase their influence down there. Given that he also wants to abolish the House of Lords it was a strange thing to say.
My remark about him desiring a peerage was meant to be a light hearted response to his refusal to back a motion of no confidence in the speaker. Not very funny I grant you but I try not to take any mainstream politician too seriously these days.
Any view on his refusal to join his fellow MPs in signing the motion?

Can’t give any insight but it could be they are personal friends?


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[marinello59]

Can’t give any insight but it could be they are personal friends?


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Very possible.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/snp-extend-lead-over-labour-as-tories-fall-to-lowest-level-since-truss-poll

Snp on 38% Labour on 33% Survation poll

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/snp-extend-lead-over-labour-as-tories-fall-to-lowest-level-since-truss-poll

Snp on 38% Labour on 33% Survation poll

People starting to look at what Labour are offering?


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[Moulin Yarns]

People starting to look at what Labour are offering?


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I don't know, what are Labour offering.

[Bristolhibby]

People starting to look at what Labour are offering?


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So they become the default Unionist vote now? Now that the Tory experiment has failed Scotland.

Do these polls take into account the Yes/No dynamic?

J

[Ozyhibby]

I don't know, what are Labour offering.

They are committed to carrying on Tory spending plans for the next 5 years so that’s something? I think everything else has been scrapped.


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[Stairway 2 7]

People starting to look at what Labour are offering?


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We have the same conversation once a month when the only poll that ever gets put up here is the survation poll that always has an SNP lead and a yes majority. We have no other posts when the next 7 polling companies have it either Labour SNP tied or either one just ahead. Direction of travel could be good but it's one poll we'll see how it goes

Same again this time next month please

[Stairway 2 7]

Stewart McDonald has been a huge supporter of Ukraine even pre 22. He was back there and his report of a story of 300 people forced into a basement is quite shocking

https://twitter.com/StewartMcDonald/status/1761772001247592565

[Ozyhibby]

We have the same conversation once a month when the only poll that ever gets put up here is the survation poll that always has an SNP lead and a yes majority. We have no other posts when the next 7 polling companies have it either Labour SNP tied or either one just ahead. Direction of travel could be good but it's one poll we'll see how it goes

Same again this time next month please

I thought you said it was Ipsos that favours the SNP?


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[Stairway 2 7]

I thought you said it was Ipsos that favours the SNP?


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Nah your spot on I got them wrong 3 points is decent swing but hopefully it's sustained. I think the way the seats lie that would give snp a few seats lead. I think when it's even Labour has a lead although I'm not sure how. Point stands though that we only see when snp leads but I suppose that's the nature of a forum. I got it wrong though and it's a good swing if sustained. I think I've said often I think snp will go out ahead in the election from what the polls now say and the tories will be closer uk wide, usually happens when your the incumbent

[Ozyhibby]

Nah your spot on I got them wrong 3 points is decent swing but hopefully it's sustained. I think the way the seats lie that would give snp a few seats lead. I think when it's even Labour has a lead although I'm not sure how. Point stands though that we only see when snp leads but I suppose that's the nature of a forum. I got it wrong though and it's a good swing if sustained. I think I've said often I think snp will go out ahead in the election from what the polls now say and the tories will be closer uk wide, usually happens when your the incumbent

The analysis I saw today of that poll gave Labour 14 seats and the SNP 38ish? Can’t remember exactly. Tories were less than 6.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The analysis I saw today of that poll gave Labour 14 seats and the SNP 38ish? Can’t remember exactly. Tories were less than 6.


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That's bigger than I thought. I guess they all use different methodology. It's just I've seen a few that have Labour and snp on the same and they say that gives Labour a say 3 seat lead, **** knows. The big mirror poll had snp 40 with tory wipeout, but I think they will unfortunately win a few in the borders. I can't understand farmers voting for them after they have been shafted with brexit and cheap import meat

[marinello59]

The analysis I saw today of that poll gave Labour 14 seats and the SNP 38ish? Can’t remember exactly. Tories were less than 6.


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When the polls were suggesting Labour would take over 20 I was never convinced. I think the numbers there won’t be too far off.

[Ozyhibby]

When the polls were suggesting Labour would take over 20 I was never convinced. I think the numbers there won’t be too far off.

And that is still a good result for Labour and a disappointment for the SNP.


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[Moulin Yarns]

We have the same conversation once a month when the only poll that ever gets put up here is the survation poll that always has an SNP lead and a yes majority. We have no other posts when the next 7 polling companies have it either Labour SNP tied or either one just ahead. Direction of travel could be good but it's one poll we'll see how it goes

Same again this time next month please

Feel free to add the other polls if it offends you so much.

I saw this one and posted it, I may have missed others but I'm not as willing as you are to check for every poll, obviously!

[Stairway 2 7]

Doesn't offend me but prefer a poll of polls. Here's every major poll since 2019 and a tracker. Single polls are useless in themselves but it's worth noting the trend. I'd say they were pretty neck and neck but I can see SNP moving to a lead up until election

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/polls_scot.html


27741

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.scotsman.com/health/researchers-find-clear-difference-in-health-of-scottish-and-english-children-4540109

I suspect the SNP are doing this deliberately?


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[Kato]

https://www.scotsman.com/health/researchers-find-clear-difference-in-health-of-scottish-and-english-children-4540109

I suspect the SNP are doing this deliberately?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNo doubt. The question is are the Tories doing what they are doing deliberately?

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[Hibs4185]

Humza saying the criticism of him in the papers on his decision to donate £250k to Palestine is islamophobic.

Although when he skipped the vote on all the gender equality stuff the papers didnt say a word

[Paul1642]

https://x.com/factcheck/status/1762899812418994461?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Best in the UK.


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Risen form 8% to 33% waiting over 4 hours. Doesn’t feel like much of a victory.

[Jack]

Risen form 8% to 33% waiting over 4 hours. Doesn’t feel like much of a victory.

I've always said they should publish the numbers of folk actually seen as well to give these numbers more context. Even when I played a part in putting such numbers together. Folk would be really surprised.

[Ozyhibby]

Risen form 8% to 33% waiting over 4 hours. Doesn’t feel like much of a victory.

Demand has went through the roof. Supply has not.


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[RyeSloan]

Demand has went through the roof. Supply has not.


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Not according to Public Health Scotland its not:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240309/150193531bc656f29736cb94bd7f84bb.jpg

[marinello59]

Time for Matheson to stand down as an MSP? Yousaf’s backing of him doesn’t look to clever now either.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/14/michael-matheson-faces-suspension-msp-ipad-bill-claim-snp-holyrood

[grunt]

Time for Matheson to stand down as an MSP? Yousaf’s backing of him doesn’t look to clever now either.
Personally I think he should be hung drawn and quartered and have his entrails distributed to every football stadium in Scotland, given the inconceivable levels of shame he has brought upon the country. Whipping is too good for him.

[Stairway 2 7]

Personally I think he should be hung drawn and quartered and have his entrails distributed to every football stadium in Scotland, given the inconceivable levels of shame he has brought upon the country. Whipping is too good for him.

Why the silly reply. In any other business he'd get slaughtered for trying to steal 12 grand through lying about how it happened.

We'll get the usual it's not as bad as the tories but what is. His actions were shocking, Humza shouldn't have backed him and said the matter was closed.

Could a byelection be triggered if he gets a suspension?

[Ozyhibby]

Why the silly reply. In any other business he'd get slaughtered for trying to steal 12 grand through lying about how it happened.

We'll get the usual it's not as bad as the tories but what is. His actions were shocking, Humza shouldn't have backed him and said the matter was closed.

Could a byelection be triggered if he gets a suspension?

He should be sacked. No excuses.


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[Ozyhibby]

He should be sacked. No excuses.


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And also, who ever is in charge of procurement who negotiated such a terrible data deal for MSP’s should be sacked as well.


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[hibee]

And also, who ever is in charge of procurement who negotiated such a terrible data deal for MSP’s should be sacked as well.


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The EE contract ended in December 2021, he changed his phone Sim over to the new Vodafone contract in 2022 but continued to use the out of contract sim in the iPad resulting in the ridiculously high charges.

If he’d used a new sim in the iPad I doubt the charge would even have been highlighted as it would have been within contract so quite a small amount.

[grunt]

... trying to steal 12 grand through lying about how it happened.
I wasn't aware this was what happened. Flog him until he's dead.

[grunt]

And also, who ever is in charge of procurement who negotiated such a terrible data deal for MSP’s should be sacked as well.
And flogged.

[Stairway 2 7]

The EE contract ended in December 2021, he changed his phone Sim over to the new Vodafone contract in 2022 but continued to use the out of contract sim in the iPad resulting in the ridiculously high charges.

If he’d used a new sim in the iPad I doubt the charge would even have been highlighted as it would have been within contract so quite a small amount.

Yeah a sim when out of contract still works but gives you the worst deal, every other MSP managed to swap over. He then shouldn't have let others use his data which was against the rules. He then when he found out about it shouldn't have paid it with expenses.

If he said it was a mistake and paid himself he would have probably got sympathy and it would have been forgotten about in weeks. He's dragged it on and damaged the party

[Stairway 2 7]

I wasn't aware this was what happened. Flog him until he's dead.

Childlike replies. He should be sacked I'm not sure if its criminal though. Putting through thousands as expenses whilst lying about how it was accrued is shocking in my opinion. He then lied to the public about how it happened, he should have thought of his party and walked

[RyeSloan]

I wasn't aware this was what happened. Flog him until he's dead.

Well you are the only one then.

Clear as day he knew what the charge was for and clear as day he tired to palm it off onto expenses. Aka theft.

He then lied and lied about it.

Other people get banged up for stealing that amount.

Idiotic move that’s cost him a lot more than the £11k he tried to dodge in the first place. He’s also made this who tried to back him look like fools.

[grunt]

Other people get banged up for stealing that amount.
You keep using this word. Has he been charged with theft?

[Kato]

Why the silly reply. In any other business he'd get slaughtered for trying to steal 12 grand through lying about how it happened.

We'll get the usual it's not as bad as the tories but what is. His actions were shocking, Humza shouldn't have backed him and said the matter was closed.

Could a byelection be triggered if he gets a suspension?Surely slaughtering him is just as bad as hanging, drawing and quartering him.

Typical politicos though. If they any party wants to take the high ground against the incumbent government in a case like this the guy should have resigned immediately.

(Taking the high ground against the Tories could be achieved by going down to the lowest point of the deepest potholing site on the planet, tbf.)

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[Stairway 2 7]

You keep using this word. Has he been charged with theft?

Politicians aren't like you and me when they rob it goes to a committee when a single mum does it to HMRC she goes to court

He has been found guilty of improper use and the committee hasn't decided his punishment
"Mr Matheson was found to have breached clauses of the MSP code of conduct which say members must “abide by the policies” of the SPCB and that “no improper use should be made of any payment or allowance made to members for public purposes"

[grunt]

He has been found guilty of improper use and the committee hasn't decided his punishment

"Mr Matheson was found to have breached clauses of the MSP code of conduct which say members must “abide by the policies” of the SPCB and that “no improper use should be made of any payment or allowance made to members for public purposes"
So you're saying there's still a chance of the hanging, drawing and quartering?

[RyeSloan]

You keep using this word. Has he been charged with theft?

Aha so if I take something that’s not mine it’s not theft unless Plod charges me about it? Sure.

You were adamant at the start this wasn’t a resigning matter. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

He effectively stole the money as he knowingly and falsely claimed a personal cost through expenses. Hence when his sticky fingers were caught in the till he eventually paid it back.

No amount of dafty mock outrage hang him high posts will change that I’m afraid but you crack on with them if you think it will.

[marinello59]

Childlike replies. He should be sacked I'm not sure if its criminal though. Putting through thousands as expenses whilst lying about how it was accrued is shocking in my opinion. He then lied to the public about how it happened, he should have thought of his party and walked

Can he be sacked? He can be suspended which is likely and he could have the party whip withdrawn but I don’t think he can be removed completely. I may be wrong though.

[Stairway 2 7]

Can he be sacked? He can be suspended which is likely and he could have the party whip withdrawn but I don’t think he can be removed completely. I may be wrong though.

I meant from the snp. He should have been sacked as a minister and the whip should have been removed. I'm not sure if we have the same laws in Scotland around by elections being triggered through suspension.

[marinello59]

I meant from the snp. He should have been sacked as a minister and the whip should have been removed. I'm not sure if we have the same laws in Scotland around by elections being triggered through suspension.

I would imagine his future in the party is being considered. It’s awkward for the leadership though who continued to back him even after it became apparent he had lied.

[Kato]

I would imagine his future in the party is being considered. It’s awkward for the leadership though who continued to back him even after it became apparent he had lied.Which was just daft.

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[marinello59]

Which was just daft.

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I’ll be kind and call it misguided loyalty by Yousaf.

[Bristolhibby]

Did anything ever come of the Police putting a murder tent up in Sturgeons garden, was it last Summer?

Was big news at the time.

J

[lapsedhibee]

Did anything ever come of the Police putting a murder tent up in Sturgeons garden, was it last Summer?

Was big news at the time.

J

Did anything come of it? Yes, it allowed all the national news media to proclaim, with pictures, that Sturgeon had been arrested, with a consequent dip in support for the SNP. Job done, even if we never hear about it again.

[Moulin Yarns]

Did anything ever come of the Police putting a murder tent up in Sturgeons garden, was it last Summer?

Was big news at the time.

J

https://youtu.be/e3-5YC_oHjE?si=ZldQ2HT37XUGlaL0


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[degenerated]

Did anything come of it? Yes, it allowed all the national news media to proclaim, with pictures, that Sturgeon had been arrested, with a consequent dip in support for the SNP. Job done, even if we never hear about it again.We'll hear about it plenty in the lead up to general and Scottish elections and then the police will close their investigation with no charges.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/most-new-junior-doctor-posts-in-scotland-filled-in-2023-figures-show


Absolutely brilliant figures for junior doctors and GP training posts.

Pay them and they shall come.

[Jack]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/most-new-junior-doctor-posts-in-scotland-filled-in-2023-figures-show


Absolutely brilliant figures for junior doctors and GP training posts.

Pay them and they shall come.

Better pay in Scotland obviously more than offsetting the difference in income tax bands. Once all these guys are up here and enjoying the other benefits of living in Scotland others will come.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240409/4c6163c4af962ccb520f9d6673243dea.jpg


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[Stairway 2 7]

Common weal proposes we use a land tax to fund the gap councils are facing from council tax freeze

https://archive.ph/VeZb2

LAND is Scotland’s largest store of untaxed wealth and the country could raise more than £400 million every year if it taxed it in the same way as housing, according to a new report.
Reform of the council tax system into separate property and land taxes could also benefit rural councils and would be “substantial enough to significantly narrow or even completely close upcoming projected budget shortfalls”, the paper says

[Ozyhibby]

Murrell arrested again. Hopefully see some actual movement on this soon.


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[Jones28]

If he gets released without charge again can it officially be considered wasting our taxpayers money? Or not quite?

[marinello59]

Climate pledges ditched. That’s pretty embarrassing for the Green members of the Government.

[Ozyhibby]

If he gets released without charge again can it officially be considered wasting our taxpayers money? Or not quite?

I imagine they will drag all three of them through the whole thing again. Maximum impact.


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[marinello59]

I imagine they will drag all three of them through the whole thing again. Maximum impact.


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So who is they’? Genuine question. After nearly decades of SNP governance the civic fabric of Scotland is dominated by SNP appointees,. They are now the establishment. Police Scotland is an SNP creation and the highest legal Officer in the land is part of the cabinet.

[Ozyhibby]

So who is they’? Genuine question. After nearly decades of SNP governance the civic fabric of Scotland is dominated by SNP appointees,. They are now the establishment. Police Scotland is an SNP creation and the highest legal Officer in the land is part of the cabinet.

Two years in, millions of pounds spent and no charges?
Police Scotland have autonomy from political interference when it comes to investigations. I’m sure our money is being spent wisely.
If the PF can pursue malicious prosecutions then I don’t doubt the police can do the same with investigations.


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[marinello59]

Two years in, millions of pounds spent and no charges?
Police Scotland have autonomy from political interference when it comes to investigations. I’m sure our money is being spent wisely.
If the PF can pursue malicious prosecutions then I don’t doubt the police can do the same with investigations.


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So who are they? Who is coordinating this? Are they the same people who organised the unionist plot against Salmond. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

So who are they? Who is coordinating this? Are they the same people who organised the unionist plot against Salmond. :greengrin

Who organised the malicious prosecution of Craig Whyte? You don’t think it can happen?


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[marinello59]

Who organised the malicious prosecution of Craig Whyte? You don’t think it can happen?


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You know these are malicious? And if so, again, who is doing this?
You have Angela Rayner bang to rights on another thread but Murrell is the victim of a conspiracy. Just as you had Salmond the victim of a Unionist plot until it became clear he wasn’t..
I have no idea if Murrell will be charged and if he is whether he is guilty or not but you seem to have made up your mind already. I also have no idea if Rayner is guilty of anything or not. I’ll give them both the benefit of the doubt unless it is proved other wise.

[Ozyhibby]

You know these are malicious? And if so, again, who is doing this?
You have Angela Rayner bang to rights on another thread but Murrell is the victim of a conspiracy. Just as you had Salmond the victim of a Unionist plot until it became clear he wasn’t..
I have no idea if Murrell will be charged and if he is whether he is guilty or not but you seem to have made up your mind already. I also have no idea if Rayner is guilty of anything or not. I’ll give them both the benefit of the doubt unless it is proved other wise.

Explain your Salmond allegation? Think you might be confused?

I don’t have Raynor banged to rights, she has questions to answer though. And she can easily answer.
Murrell too, although he can’t answer while the investigation is live.
My point is that Labour have not given Sturgeon or Murrel the benefit of the doubt but ask that we give Raynor the benefit of the doubt.[emoji2369]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/stvnews/status/1781022070182199686?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

This would be a lucky break for Yousaf.


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[CropleyWasGod]

Explain your Salmond allegation? Think you might be confused?

I don’t have Raynor banged to rights, she has questions to answer though. And she can easily answer.
Murrell too, although he can’t answer while the investigation is live.
My point is that Labour have not given Sturgeon or Murrel the benefit of the doubt but ask that we give Raynor the benefit of the doubt.[emoji2369]


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At the risk of confusing threads, she has.

[marinello59]

At the risk of confusing threads, she has.

She has.
And pledged to stand down immediately if found to have broken any laws.

[hibee]

Two years in, millions of pounds spent and no charges?
Police Scotland have autonomy from political interference when it comes to investigations. I’m sure our money is being spent wisely.
If the PF can pursue malicious prosecutions then I don’t doubt the police can do the same with investigations.


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He’s been charged with embezzlement now.

[Ozyhibby]

He’s been charged with embezzlement now.

If he’s has stolen money from the SNP then I hope he is prosecuted.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/stvnews/status/1781022070182199686?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

This would be a lucky break for Yousaf.


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****bags the Cass report is the most thorough and impartial report on youth transition. It was scathing on medicating youth and causing irreparable damage with no research. Holland, Belgium and UK pauses puberty blockers Labour apologises for its previous stance. After pressure the SNP says it will follow the report.

The green party know better, well Maggie Chapman said 6 year old should be able to get help transitioning. Why the hell wouldn't they recommend pausing until further investigation at the minimum.

When the report came out I thought Scot gov could be in trouble of future litigation if the continue to let children transition without further investigation of the damages.

Telling they would consider walking out of government for this but not failing climate targets 8 out of 12 years or ripping up climate targets

If there was an actual green party focused on green policy and independence I might vote for them, these nutters nah

[Stairway 2 7]

He’s been charged with embezzlement now.

Ooft the narrative of police wasting time and tents in the garden might fall apart, obviously he could be innocent but this isn't going away any time soon then

[Ozyhibby]

Ooft the narrative of police wasting time and tents in the garden might fall apart, obviously he could be innocent but this isn't going away any time soon then

Depends how complicated any crime is? It’s been a very long investigation.


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[Bristolhibby]

Ooft the narrative of police wasting time and tents in the garden might fall apart, obviously he could be innocent but this isn't going away any time soon then

The murder scene tents were well OTT. Guilty or not, they were never required and were there to paint a picture.

J

[marinello59]

Ooft the narrative of police wasting time and tents in the garden might fall apart, obviously he could be innocent but this isn't going away any time soon then

My guess is he will be the only person charged.
Like you say, innocent until proven guilty but looks like the law taking its course regardless of how powerful the person under suspicion is.

[Stairway 2 7]

Depends how complicated any crime is? It’s been a very long investigation.


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I previously put up averages on here and it's well within the timescale for large financial fraud. There was a case in the high court edin this week for financial crime that happened 8 years ago and was reported 5 years ago

[Stairway 2 7]

Just remembered Murrell is a hibee. Fed up of these pathetic fake news fake charges

[JimBHibees]

Just remembered Murrell is a hibee. Fed up of these pathetic fake news fake charges

That’s the spirit 😂