Tories are still lying *******s

[Hibrandenburg]

Nope, they're not getting off that lightly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/03/boris-johnson-a-clown-with-no-diplomacy-skills-says-ex-deputy-in-diaries

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Alan Duncan was a conservative MP until his resignation from the party in 2019.

In a new set of diaries he has released, he absolutely goes to town on his former colleagues.

For those of us who follow politics closely, none of what he says comes as a surprise. But it’s nice to see Tory commentators squirming and attacking him on twitter for what some might describe as quite a kind and generous description of some Tory MPs and Ministers.

Here’s a taste:

* Jacob Rees-Mogg: ‘He thinks he’s clever: he is not. He is a cheap nationalist with faux manners and an ego the size of a planet.’

* Nicky Morgan: ‘Not up to much, bitter, poor judgement, self indulgent.’

* Michael Gove: 'Gove is an unctuous freak who generates his own publicity, a wacky weirdo who is both unappealing and untrustworthy... There’s something so socially unaware about him: it lies somewhere between shameless and synthetic.'

* Philip Hammond: 'I have never so much as had a meeting with Philip Hammond about this poor dilapidated country [Yemen] because quite frankly he’s not bothered. As Foreign Secretary, he’s only interested in the rich ones… He has no idea how to extend elementary courtesies.'

* Mike Penning: ‘What a dumbo. He is one of the dimmest MPs on our side. He has been over-promoted at every stage… moronic, ungrateful, self-deluded, treacherous dunce.’

* Tom Tugendhat: ‘These types have little concept of what it takes to be a minister, let alone the Prime Minister... Cocky little tosser.

* Nadine Dorries: 'Nadine Dorries, aka Mad Nad, is promoting David Davis as an interim PM. No, no, please, please, NO!'

* Johnny Mercer: 'If he were still in a regiment, he'd be taken behind the officers' mess and roughed up.’

* Andrea Jenkyns: 'Ghastly... a brainless nothing'

* Boris Johnson: 'He is Harold Wilson's George Brown without the alcohol... thinks he is the next Churchill. He has a self-deluding mock-romantic passion which is not rooted in realism. He is disloyal. His comedy routine has gone stale; his lack of seriousness in a serious job rankles; and he has little following among MPs.'

* Steve Baker: 'Quite the most useless minister and is just so simplistic he might just as well not have a brain.'

* Gavin Williamson: 'A venomous, self-seeking little ****... an inexperienced schemer, only in it for himself.'

* Jesse Norman: 'Suspect he is one of those who is incapable of wiring a plug.'

* Andrea Leadsom: 'Despicable — Sarah Palin on crack'

* Priti Patel: 'A dolled up nothing person... a complete and utter nightmare... the Wicked Witch of Witham'

Duncan’s review of Boris Johnson explains why Johnson refuses to sack any one of his small band of loyalist Ministers - like Williamson or Patel - regardless of how incompetent, negligent or corrupt they are when it comes to looking after their portfolios.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Nope, they're not getting off that lightly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/03/boris-johnson-a-clown-with-no-diplomacy-skills-says-ex-deputy-in-diaries

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Alan Duncan was a conservative MP until his resignation from the party in 2019.

In a new set of diaries he has released, he absolutely goes to town on his former colleagues.

For those of us who follow politics closely, none of what he says comes as a surprise. But it’s nice to see Tory commentators squirming and attacking him on twitter for what some might describe as quite a kind and generous description of some Tory MPs and Ministers.

Here’s a taste:

* Jacob Rees-Mogg: ‘He thinks he’s clever: he is not. He is a cheap nationalist with faux manners and an ego the size of a planet.’

* Nicky Morgan: ‘Not up to much, bitter, poor judgement, self indulgent.’

* Michael Gove: 'Gove is an unctuous freak who generates his own publicity, a wacky weirdo who is both unappealing and untrustworthy... There’s something so socially unaware about him: it lies somewhere between shameless and synthetic.'

* Philip Hammond: 'I have never so much as had a meeting with Philip Hammond about this poor dilapidated country [Yemen] because quite frankly he’s not bothered. As Foreign Secretary, he’s only interested in the rich ones… He has no idea how to extend elementary courtesies.'

* Mike Penning: ‘What a dumbo. He is one of the dimmest MPs on our side. He has been over-promoted at every stage… moronic, ungrateful, self-deluded, treacherous dunce.’

* Tom Tugendhat: ‘These types have little concept of what it takes to be a minister, let alone the Prime Minister... Cocky little tosser.

* Nadine Dorries: 'Nadine Dorries, aka Mad Nad, is promoting David Davis as an interim PM. No, no, please, please, NO!'

* Johnny Mercer: 'If he were still in a regiment, he'd be taken behind the officers' mess and roughed up.’

* Andrea Jenkyns: 'Ghastly... a brainless nothing'

* Boris Johnson: 'He is Harold Wilson's George Brown without the alcohol... thinks he is the next Churchill. He has a self-deluding mock-romantic passion which is not rooted in realism. He is disloyal. His comedy routine has gone stale; his lack of seriousness in a serious job rankles; and he has little following among MPs.'

* Steve Baker: 'Quite the most useless minister and is just so simplistic he might just as well not have a brain.'

* Gavin Williamson: 'A venomous, self-seeking little ****... an inexperienced schemer, only in it for himself.'

* Jesse Norman: 'Suspect he is one of those who is incapable of wiring a plug.'

* Andrea Leadsom: 'Despicable — Sarah Palin on crack'

* Priti Patel: 'A dolled up nothing person... a complete and utter nightmare... the Wicked Witch of Witham'

Duncan’s review of Boris Johnson explains why Johnson refuses to sack any one of his small band of loyalist Ministers - like Williamson or Patel - regardless of how incompetent, negligent or corrupt they are when it comes to looking after their portfolios.

Good for him! The sad thing is we know all this already. They could all be rapists, murderers, animal abusers, paedophiles, satanists etc. etc. and England would still vote them into power.

"It would be worse under Labour wouldn't it"

[Colr]

England laps up these blaggers with a fork and a spoon. Scotlands best out of it.”

[wookie70]

Nope, they're not getting off that lightly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/03/boris-johnson-a-clown-with-no-diplomacy-skills-says-ex-deputy-in-diaries

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Alan Duncan was a conservative MP until his resignation from the party in 2019.

In a new set of diaries he has released, he absolutely goes to town on his former colleagues.

For those of us who follow politics closely, none of what he says comes as a surprise. But it’s nice to see Tory commentators squirming and attacking him on twitter for what some might describe as quite a kind and generous description of some Tory MPs and Ministers.

Here’s a taste:

* Jacob Rees-Mogg: ‘He thinks he’s clever: he is not. He is a cheap nationalist with faux manners and an ego the size of a planet.’

* Nicky Morgan: ‘Not up to much, bitter, poor judgement, self indulgent.’

* Michael Gove: 'Gove is an unctuous freak who generates his own publicity, a wacky weirdo who is both unappealing and untrustworthy... There’s something so socially unaware about him: it lies somewhere between shameless and synthetic.'

* Philip Hammond: 'I have never so much as had a meeting with Philip Hammond about this poor dilapidated country [Yemen] because quite frankly he’s not bothered. As Foreign Secretary, he’s only interested in the rich ones… He has no idea how to extend elementary courtesies.'

* Mike Penning: ‘What a dumbo. He is one of the dimmest MPs on our side. He has been over-promoted at every stage… moronic, ungrateful, self-deluded, treacherous dunce.’

* Tom Tugendhat: ‘These types have little concept of what it takes to be a minister, let alone the Prime Minister... Cocky little tosser.

* Nadine Dorries: 'Nadine Dorries, aka Mad Nad, is promoting David Davis as an interim PM. No, no, please, please, NO!'

* Johnny Mercer: 'If he were still in a regiment, he'd be taken behind the officers' mess and roughed up.’

* Andrea Jenkyns: 'Ghastly... a brainless nothing'

* Boris Johnson: 'He is Harold Wilson's George Brown without the alcohol... thinks he is the next Churchill. He has a self-deluding mock-romantic passion which is not rooted in realism. He is disloyal. His comedy routine has gone stale; his lack of seriousness in a serious job rankles; and he has little following among MPs.'

* Steve Baker: 'Quite the most useless minister and is just so simplistic he might just as well not have a brain.'

* Gavin Williamson: 'A venomous, self-seeking little ****... an inexperienced schemer, only in it for himself.'

* Jesse Norman: 'Suspect he is one of those who is incapable of wiring a plug.'

* Andrea Leadsom: 'Despicable — Sarah Palin on crack'

* Priti Patel: 'A dolled up nothing person... a complete and utter nightmare... the Wicked Witch of Witham'

Duncan’s review of Boris Johnson explains why Johnson refuses to sack any one of his small band of loyalist Ministers - like Williamson or Patel - regardless of how incompetent, negligent or corrupt they are when it comes to looking after their portfolios.

I think he has been pretty kind in his comments particularly in regards to Patel, Gove and Johnson. It just goes to show what they think of each other as supposed colleagues, yet, the English electorate can see no wrong and vote them in.

[Keith_M]

I'm not sure if this belongs here or on the 'useless facts and information' thread, but....


Did you know that Billy Connolly campaigned for the Tories in Glasgow many moons ago?








Edit: Maybe I should clarify that for anybody that didn't actually hear the story from Conolly himself, in one of his stand-up routines (though it was apparently a true story)


Apparently he was out with a school friend and came across a guy in the street handing out leaflets and colourful blue rosettes. They guy asked them if they would help out posting the leaflets, and he would give them a rosette each.

They excitedly agreed, and were handing out the leaflets when Conolly's Dad (a dyed in the wool Labour Clydesider) appeared and absolutely blew his top at his son handing out leaflets for the Tory party, slapped him on the back of the head and grounded him for a week.

:-)

[Smartie]

I think he has been pretty kind in his comments particularly in regards to Patel, Gove and Johnson. It just goes to show what they think of each other as supposed colleagues, yet, the English electorate can see no wrong and vote them in.

It will be interesting to see what happens in England going forward and I do think it might be doing a fair few of them a disservice by saying that "the English can see no wrong and vote them in".

The last few elections have been a bit unusual and fought on different territory than usual. As they've gone down the nationalist rabbit hole they've ended up caring a lot more about issues like Brexit and have ultimately been prepared to turn a blind eye to a few undesirable traits to get what they want.

The opposition also have to take a bit of responsibility for not making a strong enough case for someone else and something else.

We'll see where they go in future. I loathe this bunch of utterly incompetent and corrupt charlatans as much as the next person but as Brexit disappears into the rear view mirror a bit, Scotland grapples with its own constitutional issues (with knock on effects for the Labour Party throughout the UK) then it will be very interesting to see who and what England will want in future, and why.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not sure if this belongs here or on the 'useless facts and information' thread, but....


Did you know that Billy Connolly campaigned for the Tories in Glasgow many moons ago?

My uncle still refers to him as the ‘court jester’ for his closeness to the royal family in the 80’s.


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[hibsbollah]

I think these threads suffer eventually from becoming a mass pile on in which we all post links to apocalyptic stories about how evil they are. It’s the echo chambers’ echo chamber.

There must be dozens of Tories on Hibs net that could try and defend either the Scottish iterations of Davison and dRoss, or Boris and chums? From the point of view of trickle down economics, nation first, something? After all, it’s not like nobody votes for them.

[Keith_M]

I think these threads suffer eventually from becoming a mass pile on in which we all post links to apocalyptic stories about how evil they are. It’s the echo chambers’ echo chamber.

There must be dozens of Tories on Hibs net that could try and defend either the Scottish iterations of Davison and dRoss, or Boris and chums? From the point of view of trickle down economics, nation first, something? After all, it’s not like nobody votes for them.


~20% of Scotland votes Conservative, some of whom are Hibs Supporters. Though I think the demographics of the Conservative vote would mean the percentage of those that support Scottish football teams is much lower than 20%.

Anyway, the few that admit to it on here have had a torrid time.

[Ozyhibby]

~20% of Scotland votes Conservative, some of whom are Hibs Supporters. Though I think the demographics of the Conservative vote would mean the percentage of those that support Scottish football teams is much lower than 20%.

Anyway, the few that admit to it on here have had a torrid time.

I think the current version of the Tory party, who have morphed into English nationalists, are very difficult for some more moderate Scottish Tories to defend.


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[hibsbollah]

I think the current version of the Tory party, who have morphed into English nationalists, are very difficult for some more moderate Scottish Tories to defend.


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They’re still rocking 20% in Jockland polling. I want to meet these people.

[SHODAN]

They’re still rocking 20% in Jockland polling. I want to meet these people.

20% of Scots are hardcore right-wingers. That sounds fine to me given in most other countries it would be considerably more than that.

[Hibrandenburg]

It will be interesting to see what happens in England going forward and I do think it might be doing a fair few of them a disservice by saying that "the English can see no wrong and vote them in".

The last few elections have been a bit unusual and fought on different territory than usual. As they've gone down the nationalist rabbit hole they've ended up caring a lot more about issues like Brexit and have ultimately been prepared to turn a blind eye to a few undesirable traits to get what they want.

The opposition also have to take a bit of responsibility for not making a strong enough case for someone else and something else.

We'll see where they go in future. I loathe this bunch of utterly incompetent and corrupt charlatans as much as the next person but as Brexit disappears into the rear view mirror a bit, Scotland grapples with its own constitutional issues (with knock on effects for the Labour Party throughout the UK) then it will be very interesting to see who and what England will want in future, and why.

The problem in England is that right wing (Tory) politicians have gone so far right that even they are beginning to see that it's damaging the country but they can't stop because the electorate want them to go further. That's the price they're paying for selling problems to the electorate that don't exist and therefore can't be solved.

[Bostonhibby]

I think the current version of the Tory party, who have morphed into English nationalists, are very difficult for some more moderate Scottish Tories to defend.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's certainly the way things are headed just now in certain areas of England you hear a lot more uninformed, racist, nationalistic and very narrow minded comments than I've picked up on in the previous 3 decades.

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[lapsedhibee]

* Andrea Jenkyns: 'Ghastly... a brainless nothing'

https://twitter.com/LeedsEurope/status/1380476119942578177

[Colr]

20% of Scots are hardcore right-wingers. That sounds fine to me given in most other countries it would be considerably more than that.

Actually, you’re kind of on to something there. A university (forget which one) did a Europe-wide survey of political attitudes/perspectives and estimated that a fairly consistent 20% of the population are fascists.

[Colr]

The problem in England is that right wing (Tory) politicians have gone so far right that even they are beginning to see that it's damaging the country but they can't stop because the electorate want them to go further. That's the price they're paying for selling problems to the electorate that don't exist and therefore can't be solved.

Shifting the Overtoun window!

[Hibrandenburg]

Shifting the Overtoun window!

We're walking out the Overton door.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/170803142_299774781508264_2908294029639327643_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=vqTJ-zfYTkMAX_cteU-&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=5911ac63bdd2cc1f2dbe9cbfabc85e5f&oe=609ABD70


Tories are just vile crooked corrupt ****s


ALL of them

[stantonhibby]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/170803142_299774781508264_2908294029639327643_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=vqTJ-zfYTkMAX_cteU-&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=5911ac63bdd2cc1f2dbe9cbfabc85e5f&oe=609ABD70


Tories are just vile crooked corrupt ****s


ALL of them

Aye...he's in it up to his neck. Fergus Ewing has some questions to answer also.

[wookie70]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/170803142_299774781508264_2908294029639327643_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=vqTJ-zfYTkMAX_cteU-&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=5911ac63bdd2cc1f2dbe9cbfabc85e5f&oe=609ABD70


Tories are just vile crooked corrupt ****s


ALL of them

The R number for Tory corruption has never been below 1 and they don't seem to even be bothered to hide it any longer. Sunak should resign in my opinion. He was approached unofficially and said he "pushed" his team. His team appeared to have acted. That to me is a resignation matter.

[bawheid]

The R number for Tory corruption has never been below 1 and they don't seem to even be bothered to hide it any longer. Sunak should resign in my opinion. He was approached unofficially and said he "pushed" his team. His team appeared to have acted. That to me is a resignation matter.

Don’t be ridiculous. Tories don’t resign!

[Colr]

Don’t be ridiculous. Tories don’t resign!

How can one resign one’s birthright!

[hibsbollah]

How can one resign one’s birthright!

I’m resigned to the fact no one resigns anymore.

[Bostonhibby]

I’m resigned to the fact no one resigns anymore.The leaders conduct is the benchmark and we now know it's pretty much the Nasty party norm, we are seeing new low points for breaking ministerial codes, bullying, lying and general incompetence.

No ones going to leave unless they want to as they all have the dirt on each other and are the type of people to use it.

Standards in public office are the lowest they've been that I can remember, more of the same type are drawn to the party...

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[Keith_M]

Cameron lobbied for Greensil while still in power, then was given a lucrative contract on leaving the Government.

If that isn't the very definition of corruption, I'd love to know what is!

[ACLeith]

Urging the people in England to “behave responsibly” as the pubs are opening. Johnston of course has a first class honours degree in self awareness

[SHODAN]

Don’t be ridiculous. Tories don’t resign!

Look, the Prime Minister considers the matter closed. Just forget about it ok?

[hibsbollah]

The R number for Tory corruption has never been below 1 and they don't seem to even be bothered to hide it any longer. Sunak should resign in my opinion. He was approached unofficially and said he "pushed" his team. His team appeared to have acted. That to me is a resignation matter.

But even as recently as the MPs expenses scandal in 2009 MPs from all parties were resigning en masse and the sums involved are tiny compared to recent accusations about Hancock and Cameron:dunno: Go further back, Mellor played away with his mistress and had to resign immediately, Mandelson lobbied privately to get some Indian dude a passport and he resigns, what’s changed?? A lot, I suppose is the answer.

[Ozyhibby]

But even as recently as the MPs expenses scandal in 2009 MPs from all parties were resigning en masse and the sums involved are tiny compared to recent accusations about Hancock and Cameron:dunno: Go further back, Mellor played away with his mistress and had to resign immediately, Mandelson lobbied privately to get some Indian dude a passport and he resigns, what’s changed?? A lot, I suppose is the answer.

Keep seeing people blaming the media but the media are reporting this. It’s the voters who have decided they don’t care about this and the opposition are unable to persuade them why they should care about this.
There is only one way out for Scotland.


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[hibsbollah]

Keep seeing people blaming the media but the media are reporting this. It’s the voters who have decided they don’t care about this and the opposition are unable to persuade them why they should care about this.
There is only one way out for Scotland.


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Fair point but I think you’re being a bit generous to the press here. Yes they have reported the stories but they don’t press it home when the minister involved tries to shut them down. When have you heard journos standing up and trying to ask questions repeatedly? There’s no scent of blood as you’d imagine there would be in other scenarios.

[Kato]

But even as recently as the MPs expenses scandal in 2009 MPs from all parties were resigning en masse and the sums involved are tiny compared to recent accusations about Hancock and Cameron:dunno: Go further back, Mellor played away with his mistress and had to resign immediately, Mandelson lobbied privately to get some Indian dude a passport and he resigns, what’s changed?? A lot, I suppose is the answer.

Profumo didn't resign because he had an extra-marital affair or because the person he was having an affair with also shared a bed with a Russian. He resigned because he lied to the House of Commons about having had an affair. He then felt such shame in having done so he dedicated the rest of his life to charity work.

Standards, eh.

[ronaldo7]

Downing st probe into Cameron to be headed by the son of a tory peer, who is already a government advisor.

Nothing to see here, move along now.

[Just Alf]

Fair point but I think you’re being a bit generous to the press here. Yes they have reported the stories but they don’t press it home when the minister involved tries to shut them down. When have you heard journos standing up and trying to ask questions repeatedly? There’s no scent of blood as you’d imagine there would be in other scenarios.

To be fair Channel 4 news tried, they now get blanked at press briefings and the government rarely seems to put ministers up for questioning in any of their news/current affairs programming, other press folks seem silent on the matter and appear to give the government a less torrid time these days (probably not wanting the same treatment).

[Kato]

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Tories are just vile crooked corrupt ****s


ALL of them

He's actually trotting out the "lessons need to be learned" line.

The BBC - "you'd think that would be an end to it".

[Keith_M]

But even as recently as the MPs expenses scandal in 2009 MPs from all parties were resigning en masse and the sums involved are tiny compared to recent accusations about Hancock and Cameron:dunno: Go further back, Mellor played away with his mistress and had to resign immediately, Mandelson lobbied privately to get some Indian dude a passport and he resigns, what’s changed?? A lot, I suppose is the answer.


Maybe the difference is a lack of a modern day Max Clifford.

If there was even the hint of a scandal (and money to be made from it), he was on it full-throttle.


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/jul/18/mediatop100200557

[Ozyhibby]

Maybe the difference is a lack of a modern day Max Clifford.

If there was even the hint of a scandal (and money to be made from it), he was on it full-throttle.


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/jul/18/mediatop100200557

The public have all stopped buying papers and want all their news for free. That comes at a price. News is now paid for buy the big corporations and they are not going to shine a light on themselves.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

What is condemned as corruption in developing countries is called 'lobbying' here. There must be a complete overhaul of the lobbying system as part over an overhaul of the political system. The likes of Cameron believe they are entitled to use their influence for their personal gain; that the political system is there for their benefit, just another component of the privilege they are entitled to from birth.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Peter Stefanovic on Twitter: "Now on 8.5 million views! What the hell will it take for you to report this @BBCNews @itvnews @Channel4News @SkyNews? Lying in Parliament is a shameful national scandal. When will you hold this truth twister to account? https://t.co/PlvEkEij1V" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/peterstefanovi2/status/1380502768570499079?s=21&fbclid=IwAR1XfvLDf_wMamaB4-ufDgPIwylZDhvFXJv0JdhvvBcrWTfOUpZUtM6BABk)


Now on 8.5 million views! What the hell will it take for you to report this @BBCNews (https://twitter.com/BBCNews)
@itvnews (https://twitter.com/itvnews)
@Channel4News (https://twitter.com/Channel4News)
@SkyNews (https://twitter.com/SkyNews)
?Lying in Parliament is a shameful national scandal. When will you hold this truth twister to account?

[cabbageandribs1875]

He's actually trotting out the "lessons need to be learned" line.

The BBC - "you'd think that would be an end to it".



unfortunately there's no one to hold them to account now

[cabbageandribs1875]

Marcus Carslaw on Twitter: "Hi @AndrewBowie_MP, the UK government are taking the Scottish government to the Supreme Court for trying to give children more rights, is this an example of, “the UK Govt back in Scotland?” https://t.co/djCWyv1bH6" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/marcuscarslaw1/status/1381638108718972939?s=19&fbclid=IwAR0KytyAyhMwtTZkQQw6Z2nCooHsGR1p4Lq5TTxra wN-KMr5aVocQzvr9Ko)

[ronaldo7]

Marcus Carslaw on Twitter: "Hi @AndrewBowie_MP, the UK government are taking the Scottish government to the Supreme Court for trying to give children more rights, is this an example of, “the UK Govt back in Scotland?” https://t.co/djCWyv1bH6" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/marcuscarslaw1/status/1381638108718972939?s=19&fbclid=IwAR0KytyAyhMwtTZkQQw6Z2nCooHsGR1p4Lq5TTxra wN-KMr5aVocQzvr9Ko)

A bigger bunch of morally repugnant weasels you shouldn't wish to meet. The Tories really have turned the Fascist corner.

[cabbageandribs1875]

A bigger bunch of morally repugnant weasels you shouldn't wish to meet. The Tories really have turned the Fascist corner.


i'm hoping this could maybe backfire on them either way, if they lose=another bloody nose after Joanna cherry's case, win= the Scottish public will then see for themselves Holyrood can only pass bills if Westminster agrees with them


wonder if we will hear ros... i mean Roothies thoughts on this

[Ryan91]

i'm hoping this could maybe backfire on them either way, if they lose=another bloody nose after Joanna cherry's case, win= the Scottish public will then see for themselves Holyrood can only pass bills if Westminster agrees with them


wonder if we will hear ros... i mean Roothies thoughts on this

The bill passed unanimously, so obviously Ruth thought that Holyrood was right to pass such legislation

[cabbageandribs1875]

The bill passed unanimously, so obviously Ruth thought that Holyrood was right to pass such legislation



i read earlier dross is saying the uk government are right to take it to court, this man,and every Scottish Tory of course, want to destroy Devolution



meanwhile, Dross really has a problem with Travellers huh

Douglas Ross and the war on Scotland’s Travellers | openDemocracy (https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/?fbclid=IwAR28NZlfGdP0ooZh9oMPa4mnwFcqGoSRhWH6NCfO c7BDlcrWaNQWoUQJsZk)

[Hibrandenburg]

Tennant trolls Tories.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceg6h0rBPII

[hibsbollah]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5YMuSfdMWtEfmwkQem1h47?si=Whq37N3xTh6pOIS0IfZipw

It’s now looking likely that despite a) Cameron attempting to enrich himself by millions from contracts won by exploiting connections with the Tory party and b) other individuals on the deal involved being employed as civil servants and private sector lobbyists SIMULTANEOUSLY, this is actually all within the rules :dunno:

Because, of course, Cameron made these rules himself when in office on a platform of reforming the lobbying system :faf:

I think they’re going to get away with it again.

[Bostonhibby]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5YMuSfdMWtEfmwkQem1h47?si=Whq37N3xTh6pOIS0IfZipw

It’s now looking likely that despite a) Cameron attempting to enrich himself by millions from contracts won by exploiting connections with the Tory party and b) other individuals on the deal involved being employed as civil servants and private sector lobbyists SIMULTANEOUSLY, this is actually all within the rules :dunno:

Because, of course, Cameron made these rules himself when in office on a platform of reforming the lobbying system :faf:

I think they’re going to get away with it again.The conduct of the current gang is going to make call me Dave look like a paragon of virtue and integrity if there is ever a proper enquiry into Covid related contracts and how and to whom they were awarded.

This means that you can guarantee Bozo will ensure a very restricted enquiry, carried out by a hand picked leader will keep the lid on this and protect business as usual for the Nasty Party and chums.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

i was reading yesterday the tories sent out a junior minister the other day at Westminster to take questions instead of Sunak....they just can't take searching questions can they, and when they are on the front bench they have Johnson's deputy PM Starmer nodding his head with whatever they're lying about :rolleyes:

[Chorley Hibee]

The Health Secretary Matt Hancock has been handed a 15% stake in a firm called Topwood Limited.

In March this year, Topwood Limited were awarded two NHS contracts worth a total of £300k.

Topwood Limited also just happen to be owned by Mr Hancock's sister.

Truly astonishing. https://t.co/glHThY7bam

[Killiehibbie]

The Health Secretary Matt Hancock has been handed a 15% stake in a firm called Topwood Limited.

In March this year, Topwood Limited were awarded two NHS contracts worth a total of £300k.

Topwood Limited also just happen to be owned by Mr Hancock's sister.

Truly astonishing. https://t.co/glHThY7bam

I'm sure there won't be a shred of evidence to prove any wrongdoing

[Bostonhibby]

I'm sure there won't be a shred of evidence to prove any wrongdoingHancock's pub landlord won't be happy as he doesn't seem to be involved in this one. Or maybe he's only involved when it's high millions that are being awarded?

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[CropleyWasGod]

The Health Secretary Matt Hancock has been handed a 15% stake in a firm called Topwood Limited.

In March this year, Topwood Limited were awarded two NHS contracts worth a total of £300k.

Topwood Limited also just happen to be owned by Mr Hancock's sister.

Truly astonishing. https://t.co/glHThY7bam

As often happens, the journalist looks at the top line, and doesn't ask the right questions.

For one thing, there's no evidence that Hancock has been "handed" those shares. There have been shares transferred to him, sure, but there are no details of how much he paid for them. That won't be in the public domain, but a decent journalist would have asked the question.

Secondly, they need new batteries in their calculator. It's actually 20%.

[Hibernia&Alba]

As often happens, the journalist looks at the top line, and doesn't ask the right questions.

For one thing, there's no evidence that Hancock has been "handed" those shares. There have been shares transferred to him, sure, but there are no details of how much he paid for them. That won't be in the public domain, but a decent journalist would have asked the question.

Secondly, they need new batteries in their calculator. It's actually 20%.

It still sounds like a conflict of interest, or at the least raises suspicions of insider trading.

[CropleyWasGod]

It still sounds like a conflict of interest, or at the least raises suspicions of insider trading.

Maybe.

But has the journalist done any actual in-depth investigation and asked the pertinent questions? It doesn't look like it to me; they have looked at the public domain, put 2 and 2 together and, (with the help of a dodgy calculator)..... etc etc. :greengrin

Edit. Another point to note is that this is an NHS Wales contract, ie one over which MH would/should have no influence.

[Chorley Hibee]

It still sounds like a conflict of interest, or at the least raises suspicions of insider trading.

Especially when you then see Hancock's mother and stepfather are shareholders too.

[Bristolhibby]

I think the current version of the Tory party, who have morphed into English nationalists, are very difficult for some more moderate Scottish Tories to defend.


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This. I know younger Tory supporters who have been pushed too far. Internationalist fiscal conservatives.

BREXIT was a step too far for them.

J

[Future17]

As often happens, the journalist looks at the top line, and doesn't ask the right questions.

For one thing, there's no evidence that Hancock has been "handed" those shares. There have been shares transferred to him, sure, but there are no details of how much he paid for them. That won't be in the public domain, but a decent journalist would have asked the question.

Secondly, they need new batteries in their calculator. It's actually 20%.

Have you read the full article CWG?

[Jack]

The Health Secretary Matt Hancock has been handed a 15% stake in a firm called Topwood Limited.

In March this year, Topwood Limited were awarded two NHS contracts worth a total of £300k.

Topwood Limited also just happen to be owned by Mr Hancock's sister.

Truly astonishing. https://t.co/glHThY7bam

They'll be ragin it was only £300k!

[CropleyWasGod]

Have you read the full article CWG?

I read various articles, the accounts and the file at CH :greengrin

MH's claim in the Members' Register is that he was gifted 15%. He actually had 20% transferred to him. That begs the question "did he buy the other 5%? If so, how much for?" and the other question "is he lying?" :greengrin

[Jack]

Maybe.

But has the journalist done any actual in-depth investigation and asked the pertinent questions? It doesn't look like it to me; they have looked at the public domain, put 2 and 2 together and, (with the help of a dodgy calculator)..... etc etc. :greengrin

Edit. Another point to note is that this is an NHS Wales contract, ie one over which MH would/should have no influence.

NHS Wales is heavily reliant on NHS England.

[Future17]

I read various articles, the accounts and the file at CH :greengrin

MH's claim in the Members' Register is that he was gifted 15%. He actually had 20% transferred to him. That begs the question "did he buy the other 5%? If so, how much for?" and the other question "is he lying?" :greengrin

Saddo. :greengrin

It was the "they" reference that threw me as I thought you were referring to the journalist in the link.

[CropleyWasGod]

Saddo. :greengrin

It was the "they" reference that threw me as I thought you were referring to the journalist in the link.

TBH, I've read so many different articles I'm not sure who the original journalist is 😆

Safe to say, since HunGate I have always been sceptical of journalists mixing in stuff they don't understand. Sometimes that just makes it easier for the ****-housers to get away with their ****-housery.

Anyways, as you were. Back to the Tories.

[Hibrandenburg]

Maybe.

But has the journalist done any actual in-depth investigation and asked the pertinent questions? It doesn't look like it to me; they have looked at the public domain, put 2 and 2 together and, (with the help of a dodgy calculator)..... etc etc. :greengrin

Edit. Another point to note is that this is an NHS Wales contract, ie one over which MH would/should have no influence.

According to sky news, there's also an NHS England contract.

[hibsbollah]

I read various articles, the accounts and the file at CH :greengrin

MH's claim in the Members' Register is that he was gifted 15%. He actually had 20% transferred to him. That begs the question "did he buy the other 5%? If so, how much for?" and the other question "is he lying?" :greengrin

I suppose the salient facts are Matt Hancock's sister is the Director of a company. Matt Hancock has shares in that company. That company happens to win NHS contracts, which Matt Hancock is in charge of dishing out.

[Ozyhibby]

I suppose the salient facts are Matt Hancock's sister is the Director of a company. Matt Hancock has shares in that company. That company happens to win NHS contracts, which Matt Hancock is in charge of dishing out.

I’m a bit concerned that all this corruption will mean curtains for Johnson before he can refuse indyref2 and then capitulating and having to campaign for NO. So long as his brass neck remains unmarked, we should be ok though.


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[McD]

I’m a bit concerned that all this corruption will mean curtains for Johnson before he can refuse indyref2 and then capitulating and having to campaign for NO. So long as his brass neck remains unmarked, we should be ok though.


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one wonders if at some point, the growing evidence of corruption, ignoring of the ministerial code of conduct, etc, that it will become unsustainable to bat away, and we’ll see some sacrificial lambs culled, just to give boris Johnston a way of saying it’s been handled

[Hibrandenburg]

one wonders if at some point, the growing evidence of corruption, ignoring of the ministerial code of conduct, etc, that it will become unsustainable to bat away, and we’ll see some sacrificial lambs culled, just to give boris Johnston a way of saying it’s been handled

That will be the beginning of the end. They all have so much dirt on each other, that cabinet meetings must be like a mass Mexican standoff.

[Ozyhibby]

That will be the beginning of the end. They all have so much dirt on each other, that cabinet meetings must be like a mass Mexican standoff.

And they purged anyone not loyal to Johnson in 2019 anyway. They are totally unchecked and are busy filling the pockets.


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[Future17]

TBH, I've read so many different articles I'm not sure who the original journalist is 😆

Safe to say, since HunGate I have always been sceptical of journalists mixing in stuff they don't understand. Sometimes that just makes it easier for the ****-housers to get away with their ****-housery.

Anyways, as you were. Back to the Tories.

Totally agree. Some of the stuff on both "sides" of the various Salmondgate stories was either misunderstood, made up, or opinion stated as fact.

I was just checking your checking. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210416/8850773ad653fa22ce9697305d13bb02.jpg

There is only one way out of this Scotland.


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[bawheid]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210416/8850773ad653fa22ce9697305d13bb02.jpg

There is only one way out of this Scotland.


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It’s absolutely mental, isn’t it? England are taking a path that is completely and utterly different to the one most people in Scotland want to take. Even those against independence on this forum must accept that.

I find the direction of travel in rUK quite scary tbh.

[hibsbollah]

It’s absolutely mental, isn’t it? England are taking a path that is completely and utterly different to the one most people in Scotland want to take. Even those against independence on this forum must accept that.

I find the direction of travel in rUK quite scary tbh.

The biggest movement in the polls is between centre left voters leaving Labour and going to the greens, lib dems and no vote.

[Northernhibee]

The biggest movement in the polls is between centre left voters leaving Labour and going to the greens, lib dems and no vote.

Is there any wonder?

[CapitalGreen]

The biggest movement in the polls is between centre left voters leaving Labour and going to the greens, lib dems and no vote.

Driven away from Labour by the Momentum types in the party I’d imagine.

[Ozyhibby]

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[CropleyWasGod]

Totally agree. Some of the stuff on both "sides" of the various Salmondgate stories was either misunderstood, made up, or opinion stated as fact.

I was just checking your checking. :greengrin

As it turns out, his declaration in the Register of Members' Interests is "more than 15%" of the shares. Presumably, this is all that needs to be said.

Doesn't, of course, alter the basic *****ness of the act or the reporting.

[Northernhibee]

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Bizarrely, that'll probably add another two points to their lead down south :rolleyes:

[Kato]

Bizarrely, that'll probably add another two points to their lead down south :rolleyes:

Last night's Question Time said it was a problem with "lobbying" and also "let's not forget the Labour MP's caught up in the scandal" <(ten years ago).

No mention of the Tory Party but made sure everyone knows that Cameron "wasn't breaking the law per se".

Pesky lobbyists/Cameron/Labour MP's.

Aye another 2 points advantage to them. No accountability whatsoever.

[bawheid]

Last night's Question Time said it was a problem with "lobbying" and also "let's not forget the Labour MP's caught up in the scandal" <(ten years ago).

No mention of the Tory Party but made sure everyone knows that Cameron "wasn't breaking the law per se".

Pesky lobbyists/Cameron/Labour MP's.

Aye another 2 points advantage to them. No accountability whatsoever.

What do you expect when the BBC is now controlled by the extreme right wing of the Conservative party? An easy slide into fascism awaits.

We need out soon, before it gets messy.

[lapsedhibee]

We need out soon, before it gets messy.

Already is messy. The more the evidence of corruption, the higher the poll ratings. Collectively, England's voters have lost their minds. :bitchy:

[Hibernia&Alba]

It’s absolutely mental, isn’t it? England are taking a path that is completely and utterly different to the one most people in Scotland want to take. Even those against independence on this forum must accept that.

I find the direction of travel in rUK quite scary tbh.

The Tories seem to have written off their chances in the rest of the UK and are essentially an English Nationalist party of the right wing variant. Due to the massive population advantage of England, they know they can still win with that strategy. However, it puts the UK as an entity at risk.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/174458497_2011242022374652_5109200223801881581_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=wAuSBmCzMBQAX82E8GH&_nc_oc=AQn_G7qi6tmNTL3DiFtYp4wI7MpBjlheKncArzWnufo HmuUAxfatW2eA_0nu29Rap00&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=e25883a3e8df4e3e27d5e4245ac81b88&oe=609E5E00

[Bostonhibby]

I've just checked and they're still lying ********.

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[degenerated]

I suppose the salient facts are Matt Hancock's sister is the Director of a company. Matt Hancock has shares in that company. That company happens to win NHS contracts, which Matt Hancock is in charge of dishing out.It's a wee bit more than just him and his sister. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210416/da79853631cf58c9f4d6e9e009f9c438.jpg

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[Bostonhibby]

It's a wee bit more than just him and his sister. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210416/da79853631cf58c9f4d6e9e009f9c438.jpg

Sent from my CPH2009 using TapatalkYep, the news media seemed to somehow miss the other family members who were beneficiaries here....

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[CropleyWasGod]

It's a wee bit more than just him and his sister. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210416/da79853631cf58c9f4d6e9e009f9c438.jpg

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Not sure if you're misreading that, but there are only 3 shareholders. The sister with 40, her husband with 40, Hancock with 20.

[degenerated]

Just realised that, still dodgy AF though.

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[Ozyhibby]

Yep, the news media seemed to somehow miss the other family members who were beneficiaries here....

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Don’t blame the media, the story is out there. It’s the public in England who don’t really care. So long as they can keep blaming foreigners then they are free to carry on.


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[Bostonhibby]

Don’t blame the media, the story is out there. It’s the public in England who don’t really care. So long as they can keep blaming foreigners then they are free to carry on.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYou're not wrong, I live down here and there was a time when the press went with a story irrespective of public opinion,or lack of it. Honestly.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

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[hibsbollah]

James Dyson texting Boris asking him to make sure he could get tax benefits if he made ventilators. Boris responds ‘I’ll fix it’. ‘Rishi will sort it’.

[Future17]

James Dyson texting Boris asking him to make sure he could get tax benefits if he made ventilators. Boris responds ‘I’ll fix it’. ‘Rishi will sort it’.

Whilst we should all be concerned about this sort of thing, in the context of events no one who's considering voting Tory will care.

[Moulin Yarns]

James Dyson texting Boris asking him to make sure he could get tax benefits if he made ventilators. Boris responds ‘I’ll fix it’. ‘Rishi will sort it’.

One of the reasons I bought a Miele vacuum 😉

[Future17]

One of the reasons I bought a Miele vacuum 😉

A company that worked on weapons for the Nazis in WW2?

[Ozyhibby]

A company that worked on weapons for the Nazis in WW2?

They are better vacuums though.


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[Keith_M]

A company that worked on weapons for the Nazis in WW2?


That's a dangerous route to go down. You'd be amazed who you'd have to boycott.


For instance....


Wolfsburg, a football team owned by Volkswagen, a company set up by the Nazis to provide the 'People's Car'. Vehicles were built by slave labour, some from Auschwitz.

Allianz Insurance, sponsors of Bayern's Stadium: An Insurance Company whose CEO was an adviser to Hitler and they ripped off Jewish people by sending money for claims to the Nazi Party

Hugo Boss: Made Nazi uniforms and Boss himself was a member of the Nazi Party.



Would you like any more?

:greengrin

[Bangkok Hibby]

Whilst we should all be concerned about this sort of thing, in the context of events no one who's considering voting Tory will care.

Exactly! There's loads of angry, outraged comment just now across all social media about what c***s the Tories are. Fact is their ratings are going up. The outrage needs aimed at the people who vote for them.
In fact no. Just accept it. Britain is a Tory country, accept it and live with it, emigrate like I did or get the hell out through Independence for Scotland.

[hibsbollah]

Whilst we should all be concerned about this sort of thing, in the context of events no one who's considering voting Tory will care.

I know, you’re right, I’m actually boring myself with this **** :agree:

[Bostonhibby]

Exactly! There's loads of angry, outraged comment just now across all social media about what c***s the Tories are. Fact is their ratings are going up. The outrage needs aimed at the people who vote for them.
In fact no. Just accept it. Britain is a Tory country, accept it and live with it, emigrate like I did or get the hell out through Independence for Scotland.Very relevant point and consistent with what I see in the Tory heartlands every day.

I do think selfishness plays a part in all aspects of the parties support but from time to time and amongst "middle ground" and "softer" Tory voters you do hear rumblings of discontent when they are either more directly affected or feel like they are somehow missing out.

It won't bring about a sea change but there's definitely chat of sleaze going around that wasn't in evidence a few months back and Matt Hancock seems to be a more regular target of ridicule and disrespect as well as Bozo himself.



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[degenerated]

That's a dangerous route to go down. You'd be amazed who you'd have to boycott.


For instance....


Wolfsburg, a football team owned by Volkswagen, a company set up by the Nazis to provide the 'People's Car'. Vehicles were built by slave labour, some from Auschwitz.

Allianz Insurance, sponsors of Bayern's Stadium: An Insurance Company whose CEO was an adviser to Hitler and they ripped off Jewish people by sending money for claims to the Nazi Party

Hugo Boss: Made Nazi uniforms and Boss himself was a member of the Nazi Party.



Would you like any more?

:greengrinBorrusia Dortmund are sponsored, and part owned by Evonik who made Zyklon B, from memory.

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[gbhibby]

Watching Prime Ministers question time Bumbling Boris is not fit to be the leader of a party let alone the leader of the country. His communication skills are poor does not understand questions that are put to him. Can't even read his briefing properly. He makes Donald Trump look like Einstein.

[Hibrandenburg]

That's a dangerous route to go down. You'd be amazed who you'd have to boycott.


For instance....


Wolfsburg, a football team owned by Volkswagen, a company set up by the Nazis to provide the 'People's Car'. Vehicles were built by slave labour, some from Auschwitz.

Allianz Insurance, sponsors of Bayern's Stadium: An Insurance Company whose CEO was an adviser to Hitler and they ripped off Jewish people by sending money for claims to the Nazi Party

Hugo Boss: Made Nazi uniforms and Boss himself was a member of the Nazi Party.



Would you like any more?

:greengrin

Don't even think about drinking Coca-Cola or Fanta.

[gbhibby]

That's a dangerous route to go down. You'd be amazed who you'd have to boycott.


For instance....


Wolfsburg, a football team owned by Volkswagen, a company set up by the Nazis to provide the 'People's Car'. Vehicles were built by slave labour, some from Auschwitz.

Allianz Insurance, sponsors of Bayern's Stadium: An Insurance Company whose CEO was an adviser to Hitler and they ripped off Jewish people by sending money for claims to the Nazi Party

Hugo Boss: Made Nazi uniforms and Boss himself was a member of the Nazi Party.



Would you like any more?

:greengrin
Don't even think about buying a Ford car.

[SHODAN]

Whilst we should all be concerned about this sort of thing, in the context of events no one who's considering voting Tory will care.

When the Tory voter mindset is "imagine what would be happening in a parallel universe where Corbyn was somehow Prime Minister", all hope is lost.

[bawheid]

When the Tory voter mindset is "imagine what would be happening in a parallel universe where Corbyn was somehow Prime Minister", all hope is lost.

A lot of them, particularly in the north of England, voting to harm themselves and their families too. It’s sad.

I blame a dumbing down of the state education system over many years leading to a population without the ability to think critically. Couple that with a right wing media skilled in manipulating their readership and you end up with Dave from Sunderland voting Brexit and eventually losing his job in the Nissan factory. Social media playing a part in amplifying misinformation too.

[Tyler Durden]

James Dyson texting Boris asking him to make sure he could get tax benefits if he made ventilators. Boris responds ‘I’ll fix it’. ‘Rishi will sort it’.

I've seen some takes on this that the government have focus grouped this and leaked it themselves. Happy that their narrative is "look Boris is moving mountains to get things done in a time of crisis".

They'll roll that messaging out again and again when yet more corruption is uncovered. And as has been pointed out, the Tory voters are probably quite happy to buy into that version of events. Incredible.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://i.ibb.co/chHN5xw/damnthem.jpg (https://ibb.co/ZzPhsNS)

vote BLiS on may 6th and/or indy 2 and your condemning Scotland to at least another decade of Tory rule, though i suspect it will actually be much longer :agree:

[Sylar]

Had a first-hand experience of Toryism yesterday. We won a £20 million grant from the UKRI (the funding body that provide funding to all academic research work), that was part-funded by the ODA (Overseas Development Aid) funding. They decided to scrap funding to overseas aid but further than that, decided to recoup some of the money they'd already allocated going back a number of years.

70% cut on our £20 million budget, meaning we're having to rescind offers of employment, cut back work we were doing and cancel agreements we have in place for data subscriptions, access etc.

Tory ****s. Nothing more than an ideological cut to funding work in Bongo Bongo land, when we all know the money would be better spent in London :rolleyes:

[neil7908]

A lot of them, particularly in the north of England, voting to harm themselves and their families too. It’s sad.

I blame a dumbing down of the state education system over many years leading to a population without the ability to think critically. Couple that with a right wing media skilled in manipulating their readership and you end up with Dave from Sunderland voting Brexit and eventually losing his job in the Nissan factory. Social media playing a part in amplifying misinformation too.

Education is key. My partner is American and we've had many conversations about how the US has got itself into such a state and she always blames it on shockingly under funded and neglected public schools (their state schools). I have always worried about us becoming America mark 2 but its happening now before our eyes and it genuinely worries me.

[gbhibby]

https://youtu.be/ZAEM40UYKeU
Walk on music for Boris for the next Tory conference.

[Kato]

https://youtu.be/ZAEM40UYKeU
Walk on music for Boris for the next Tory conference.If they did troll the electorate like that there are Tory voters who would lap it up.

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[hibsbollah]

Had a first-hand experience of Toryism yesterday. We won a £20 million grant from the UKRI (the funding body that provide funding to all academic research work), that was part-funded by the ODA (Overseas Development Aid) funding. They decided to scrap funding to overseas aid but further than that, decided to recoup some of the money they'd already allocated going back a number of years.

70% cut on our £20 million budget, meaning we're having to rescind offers of employment, cut back work we were doing and cancel agreements we have in place for data subscriptions, access etc.

Tory ****s. Nothing more than an ideological cut to funding work in Bongo Bongo land, when we all know the money would be better spent in London :rolleyes:

The biggest difference between this Govt and previous similarity right wing administrations is an apparent anti intellectualism; going after the universities for ‘cancel culture’, Hancock’s ‘this country has had enough of listening to experts’ line encapsulates it neatly. Someone’s told them that appealing to the red wall means attacking ‘know it all’s’. It’s almost Maoist.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://i.ibb.co/sFfwC9x/starmer28432.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/176087086_10226399794605884_8610186198059665646_n. jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=7g5CmgOVOfgAX-mJ58l&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=9f1282e9eb19409e7c57abdd4b56ccd2&oe=60A4026C


Starmer just refused to sign letter calling for investigation into Boris Johnson’s lies – SKWAWKBOX (https://skwawkbox.org/2021/04/19/starmer-just-refused-to-sign-letter-calling-for-investigation-into-boris-johnsons-lies/?fbclid=IwAR20cz2HizBYs6SYL3WOKzWTkCtnJ-GDDRPT907SAziNlRoneXMa4SIH8T8)

His excuse? A Labour spokesperson said Labour doesn’t normally back initiatives started by other parties.

[Future17]

That's a dangerous route to go down. You'd be amazed who you'd have to boycott.


For instance....


Wolfsburg, a football team owned by Volkswagen, a company set up by the Nazis to provide the 'People's Car'. Vehicles were built by slave labour, some from Auschwitz.

Allianz Insurance, sponsors of Bayern's Stadium: An Insurance Company whose CEO was an adviser to Hitler and they ripped off Jewish people by sending money for claims to the Nazi Party

Hugo Boss: Made Nazi uniforms and Boss himself was a member of the Nazi Party.



Would you like any more?

:greengrin

I've been boycotting them all for years. :greengrin

Joking aside, I think Dyson comes out of this worse than Johnson.

[neil7908]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/21/ex-minister-johnny-mercer-says-almost-nobody-tells-truth-in-johnsons-government

One of their own now confirming what we already know. This would be extraordinary in any other time but it won't lose them a single vote down south.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/21/ex-minister-johnny-mercer-says-almost-nobody-tells-truth-in-johnsons-government

One of their own now confirming what we already know. This would be extraordinary in any other time but it won't lose them a single vote down south.
Headline should be complete ******** rightfully calls his exemployer out for being ********s

[Bangkok Hibby]

Headline should be complete ******** rightfully calls his exemployer out for being ********s

Sub headline

"Support expected to soar amongst English voters"

[Kato]

Instructions for Union Flag pole erection, in Welsh.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-translation-sign-outside-town-20380441

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[Killiehibbie]

How did an absolute bare minimum wage miraculously transform itself into a National Living Wage?

[Peevemor]

Instructions for Union Flag pole erection, in Welsh.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-translation-sign-outside-town-20380441

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Reminds me of the time one of my pals played bagpipes at an officers' mess dinner and had them raise their glasses for a toast "the Queen can kiss my arse" in gaelic.

[ACLeith]

How did an absolute bare minimum wage miraculously transform itself into a National Living Wage?

After the Real Living Wage was introduced a few years ago, the National Minimum Wage was renamed as the Living Wage, obviously to cause confusion.

It also allows companies to say they are paying the Living Wage when they are in effect paying far below the RLW. Trying to think of any party leader whose family business would try that on? 🙄

[Killiehibbie]

After the Real Living Wage was introduced a few years ago, the National Minimum Wage was renamed as the Living Wage, obviously to cause confusion.

It also allows companies to say they are paying the Living Wage when they are in effect paying far below the RLW. Trying to think of any party leader whose family business would try that on? 🙄

It's certainly working as i've ended up arguing with two people in the last week who reckon their companies pay the Real Living Wage with rates of £8.91 and £9 per hour. They wouldn't accept their was a difference until I proved it, over a grand per year difference.

[easty]

Not sure if this has already been posted, but Cummings isn’t happy...(which is always a good thing)

https://dominiccummings.com/2021/04/23/statement-regarding-no10-claims-today/

[Ozyhibby]

Not sure if this has already been posted, but Cummings isn’t happy...(which is always a good thing)

https://dominiccummings.com/2021/04/23/statement-regarding-no10-claims-today/

Not sure it is. Hoping Johnson can remain in post for the inter campaign.


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[lapsedhibee]

Not sure it is. Hoping Johnson can remain in post for the inter campaign.


Shirley Johnson will remain in post until the suits want him out, and shirley the suits won't want him out while he's still such an electoral asset dan sarf? Cummings won't be changing that in a hurry.

[Bostonhibby]

Shirley Johnson will remain in post until the suits want him out, and shirley the suits won't want him out while he's still such an electoral asset dan sarf? Cummings won't be changing that in a hurry.Half way through an electoral cycle is their preferred model,gets rid of an unpopular nasty party PM without the need for an election and can approach the next election with a newly spun saviour of the nation.. Gove, Raab, anyone else the telegraph wants to project.

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[Glory Lurker]

I can't see what Cummings is saying that lands a real blow.

[lapsedhibee]

I can't see what Cummings is saying that lands a real blow.
:agree: He's just saying that Johnson's a liar, isn't he? Which people already know and still want him as PM. And Cummings is a liar anyway so why is anyone going to pay much attention?

[Northernhibee]

I can't see what Cummings is saying that lands a real blow.

Dead cat on the table alert. Just like with all the Barnard Castle testing his eyes stuff. That was nonsense as well.

[Future17]

I can't see what Cummings is saying that lands a real blow.

The depressing thing about this is that several media sources (including the BBC) are treating this as headline news. Given that the content is what we've all known for ages, there's two observations I'd make from that:

1) The media appear to want to pretend this is new information and we haven't all known it for ages, and/or;

2) It's not the content they're interested in. Rather it's the soap opera style of the breakdown of the personal relationship that they feel people care about.

[Bostonhibby]

:agree: He's just saying that Johnson's a liar, isn't he? Which people already know and still want him as PM. And Cummings is a liar anyway so why is anyone going to pay much attention?Yep, a debate on truthfulness and morality between Billy Liar and Walter Mitty.

Or two different kinds of poisonous snakes in a pillowcase as man in pub called them last night.

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[Future17]

The media attitude to this continues to intrigue me. More interested in his mates paying for his house than him having given bucketloads of taxpayers' cash to his mates.

[Pretty Boy]

There's a cabal within the Tory party who want Gove as the main man, that includes Cummings. He's even more evil than Johnson, a proper ideologue who genuinely hates the working class and the poor.

This is just the latest power play to get him where they want him.

If everything that has happened in the last 15 months hasn't turned the public against Johnson then conventional sleaze isn't going to cut it. People just expect bog standard corruption now so they probably see it as worth trying something knew.

I honestly ****ing hate Tories. I hold a special distaste for working class Tories who try to justify their stance. They do not give a single **** about anyone but themselves.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Bostonhibby]

There's a cabal within the Tory party who want Gove as the main man, that includes Cummings. He's even more evil than Johnson, a proper ideologue who genuinely hates the working class and the poor.

This is just the latest power play to get him where they want him.

If everything that has happened in the last 15 months hasn't turned the public against Johnson then conventional sleaze isn't going to cut it. People just expect bog standard corruption now so they probably see it as worth trying something knew.

I honestly ****ing hate Tories. I hold a special distaste for working class Tories who try to justify their stance. They do not give a single **** about anyone but themselves.[emoji106]

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210424/f94320d2941916135a81d4f873833443.jpg
I’d say Johnson is safe for now.


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[neil7908]

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I’d say Johnson is safe for now.


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He could defecate in a box of kitten's live on TV and the response from the press and public would be that he took decisive action dealing with that pesky kitten issue. And it's the EU's fault anyway.

[Future17]

Liz Truss the latest to trot out the line "that is what the public want to know" after giving the answer she wanted to give to a question she didn't want to answer properly.

[Bostonhibby]

Liz Truss the latest to trot out the line "that is what the public want to know" after giving the answer she wanted to give to a question she didn't want to answer properly.Probably the most gaffe prone bumbling minister of the lot, seems to actually want to appear patronising but isn't any good at that either.

More than filled the Chris Grayling role.

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[Ozyhibby]

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[Pretty Boy]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210425/6fe74b1dd682d6276f2385cdde5889a0.jpg


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Interesting the claim is that Cummings was pushing for a lockdown.

The narrative at the time from both supporters and opponents of Johnson was that Cummings was pulling the strings and agitating to delay a lockdown or rule it out entirely.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/178134599_10225539363611693_8863838374825302876_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=bGTBKRgvDVIAX_hMHfj&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=95a95961868af6b1b8dbb263e4fbc53d&oe=60AB24D4

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https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/178134599_10225539363611693_8863838374825302876_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=bGTBKRgvDVIAX_hMHfj&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=95a95961868af6b1b8dbb263e4fbc53d&oe=60AB24D4

Looks like the Tory press are lining up Michael 'Goebbels' Gove as the next f***wit to ***** on us from a great height then.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1251458390028664832?s=21


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[hibsbollah]

Fact-checking, does the bbc even do this kind of thing anymore?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGDWnbbcBQ

[Ozyhibby]

Looks like the Tory press are lining up Michael 'Goebbels' Gove as the next f***wit to ***** on us from a great height then.

Only a few weeks back the Tories were complaining that they should have been in charge of Scotland’s pandemic response. And still, 1 in 5 Scots will vote for them. [emoji35]


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[Future17]

BBC reporting Johnson did make a "bodies could pile high" comment in relation to resisting another lockdown.

Although he's still denying it, the context is unclear and he's a Teflon-coated gaffe-aholic, I think this could be the beginning of the end for him. Even the Tories can't go into an election led by someone who is such an easy opposition target.

[SHODAN]

Looks like the Tory press are lining up Michael 'Goebbels' Gove as the next f***wit to ***** on us from a great height then.

The irony of a Scot being the last Prime Minister of the UK would be pretty funny.

[The Harp Awakes]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210424/f94320d2941916135a81d4f873833443.jpg
I’d say Johnson is safe for now.


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That poll is scary. A bunch incompetent, sleazy, elitists who **** up everything they touch and they're still miles ahead in the opinion polls :brickwall

Scottish independence is not just a preference, it's a necessity now.

[JeMeSouviens]

BBC reporting Johnson did make a "bodies could pile high" comment in relation to resisting another lockdown.

Although he's still denying it, the context is unclear and he's a Teflon-coated gaffe-aholic, I think this could be the beginning of the end for him. Even the Tories can't go into an election led by someone who is such an easy opposition target.

Don't doubt you're right. I expect there'll be an extended period where none of the contenders actually want to be the backstabber-in-chief but it's inevitable.

However, what's really flabbergasting me today is - wtf do you actually get for spending well over £100K on decorating a flat? :confused:

[Jack]

That poll is scary. A bunch incompetent, sleazy, elitists who **** up everything they touch and they're still miles ahead in the opinion polls :brickwall

Scottish independence is not just a preference, it's a necessity now.

They don't **** everything up. They line their pockets and those of their friends very efficiently.

[Bangkok Hibby]

That poll is scary. A bunch incompetent, sleazy, elitists who **** up everything they touch and they're still miles ahead in the opinion polls :brickwall

Scottish independence is not just a preference, it's a necessity now.

I've been wondering today, if any of those who were still going to vote tory despite losing a loved one to Covid have now changed their minds after the "pile the bodies up" comment.

[SHODAN]

I've been wondering today, if any of those who were still going to vote tory despite losing a loved one to Covid have now changed their minds after the "pile the bodies up" comment.

No, because the parallel universe where Jeremy Corbyn is Prime Minister would somehow be worse.

That's the kind of mental gymnastics we're dealing with here.

[Bangkok Hibby]

No, because the parallel universe where Jeremy Corbyn is Prime Minister would somehow be worse.

That's the kind of mental gymnastics we're dealing with here.

Sadly I agree. What a mess of a country.

[Bostonhibby]

BBC reporting Johnson did make a "bodies could pile high" comment in relation to resisting another lockdown.

Although he's still denying it, the context is unclear and he's a Teflon-coated gaffe-aholic, I think this could be the beginning of the end for him. Even the Tories can't go into an election led by someone who is such an easy opposition target.As with all things Bozo, give it up to 7 days for what he says, promises or predicts to turn out to be the opposite or to swiftly require the opposite of his statement to happen.



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[Future17]

Don't doubt you're right. I expect there'll be an extended period where none of the contenders actually want to be the backstabber-in-chief but it's inevitable.

However, what's really flabbergasting me today is - wtf do you actually get for spending well over £100K on decorating a flat? :confused:

Particularly when you have a taxpayer funded budget of £30,000 per year!!

[Hibrandenburg]

The irony of a Scot being the last Prime Minister of the UK would be pretty funny.

As a Scot it will also be difficult for him to be seen to be pandering to the Scots should the No campaign start offering goodies in an attempt to save the union, that would send Gammons south of the border into a rabid frenzy.

[Bostonhibby]

As a Scot it will also be difficult for him to be seen to be pandering to the Scots should the No campaign start offering goodies in an attempt to save the union, that would send Gammons south of the border into a rabid frenzy.

He doesn't give a flying one about Scotland or being Scottish.

Imagine being a real Scot and deriving any pride in being associated with this creature. Denying him a Scottish passport could be a real independence vote winner.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Looks like the Tory press are lining up Michael 'Goebbels' Gove as the next f***wit to ***** on us from a great height then.


his biographer thinks it makes Johnson a down to earth guy

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/178187482_4005293329527468_4235719813424123381_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=s9OxxjfH2poAX9uCsbQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=d01202e2a59cf9fd0e5c2c548be9232e&oe=60ABEA49


i read the snivelling brown-nosed coward Murray Ross is also backing Johnson, if Johnson wanted to obliterate everyone in Scotland Dross would still back him, it's quite nauseating knowing that people in this country vote for the nasty party

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh i wonder what the Tories are up to..


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[Future17]

his biographer thinks it makes Johnson a down to earth guy

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/178187482_4005293329527468_4235719813424123381_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=s9OxxjfH2poAX9uCsbQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=d01202e2a59cf9fd0e5c2c548be9232e&oe=60ABEA49


i read the snivelling brown-nosed coward Murray Ross is also backing Johnson, if Johnson wanted to obliterate everyone in Scotland Dross would still back him, it's quite nauseating knowing that people in this country vote for the nasty party

The thing that makes the allegation so believable is that it is how Johnson speaks, but it's the complete opposite of how the average "man in the pub" speaks in most parts of the country.

There were people on here arguing Johnson's point that collateral damage was acceptable to avoid the negative economic consequences of lockdown. However, they made that argument with at least a degree of empathy.

"Let the bodies pile high" would be just his style of hyperbolic, faux grandiose, Shakespearean tragedy meets Nero waffle.

[Northernhibee]

Dead cat on the table alert. Just like with all the Barnard Castle testing his eyes stuff. That was nonsense as well.

https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p526x296/178975289_10158960207405042_3768306300464137478_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=v9IyCVrp6RgAX9JbRZi&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&tp=6&oh=e09e93110f89fb8fe914ae51803c1c68&oe=60AC2864

[xyz23jc]

No, because the parallel universe where Jeremy Corbyn is Prime Minister would somehow be worse.

That's the kind of mental gymnastics we're dealing with here.

Media...cough.. cough.... British (muffled words) Media... Charisma...Uniqueness...News, Truth and Specificity....! :wink::greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

It's amusing watching those who were last year assuring us that Dominic Cummings was a bastion of integrity now denouncing him as a liar.

[Moulin Yarns]

It's amusing watching those who were last year assuring us that Dominic Cummings was a bastion of integrity now denouncing him as a liar.

And vice versa 😉

[Hibrandenburg]

And vice versa 😉

That too aye. :greengrin

[Kato]

And vice versa 😉

Feral. Cocaine does that.

[Ozyhibby]

And vice versa [emoji6]

To be fair, BBC and ITV have had the quote corroborated.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-25/dominic-cummings-not-in-the-clear-over-chatty-rat-lockdown-leak


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[hibsbollah]

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-25/dominic-cummings-not-in-the-clear-over-chatty-rat-lockdown-leak


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This is a Gove/Cummings revenge take down, sponsored by the Daily Mail. It’s not going to change anything, possibly to make the Tories even more extreme, and to give the false impression that the media is doing anything else but faithfully serving its masters.

[lapsedhibee]

This is a Gove/Cummings revenge take down, sponsored by the Daily Mail. It’s not going to change anything, possibly to make the Tories even more extreme, and to give the false impression that the media is doing anything else but faithfully serving its masters.

If successful, won't it make a difference that Gove, replacing Johnson, doesn't have the same 'popular appeal' as him? :dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

If successful, won't it make a difference that Gove, replacing Johnson, doesn't have the same 'popular appeal' as him? :dunno:

Will he have the same NO to indyref commitment as Johnson?


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[lapsedhibee]

Will he have the same NO to indyref commitment as Johnson?


Probably more commitment, but little in the way of Johnson's charisma and boyish charm :jamboak: to carry the country with him.

[hibsbollah]

If successful, won't it make a difference that Gove, replacing Johnson, doesn't have the same 'popular appeal' as him? :dunno:

I can’t see it, but who the **** knows anymore really? I thought it was inconceivable that large swathes of working class England could support Boris but they seem to be.

It’s depressing that of all the genuinely corrupt behaviour that’s been going on and has been obvious to anyone who pays attention, it’s basically hearsay about Boris being a rude loudmouth that’s the mud that sticks. Everyone knew he was that. But take him down for that, and only that, and the wider group of shysters stays intact.

[Northernhibee]

It's very clear. No matter who you vote for in Westminster, you're getting Cummings. Useless opposition, media with as many Tories in charge as possible and disposable PMs and cabinets.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Arlene Foster’s time as DUP leader coming to an end as 75% of her MLAs sign letter of no confidence | Belfast News Letter (https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/arlene-fosters-time-as-dup-leader-coming-to-an-end-as-75-of-her-mlas-sign-letter-of-no-confidence-3216112?fbclid=IwAR3hvW6D_Dj2sA_y3ABTaBtzlTislkGvc xJAsZZyyJQ9_F3TOU-Vq-P-UiU)


Arlene Foster’s time as DUP leader coming to an end as 75% of her MLAs sign letter of no confidence

aww wee shame, not

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

shame on Starmer, shame on him :agree: kin Tory

Commons speaker to meet with opposition to discuss debate | The New European (https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/sir-lindsay-hoyle-considers-commons-debate-7927068?fbclid=IwAR15C0KhnfaXle-EmbzJfvGaOh_9aFeeE1GgWMuKV-x6x6zQa4dMsNXqpa8)

Labour has said it will not back the call for a debate while the Speaker's office declined to comment ahead of the meeting.

[Northernhibee]

shame on Starmer, shame on him :agree: kin Tory

Commons speaker to meet with opposition to discuss debate | The New European (https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/sir-lindsay-hoyle-considers-commons-debate-7927068?fbclid=IwAR15C0KhnfaXle-EmbzJfvGaOh_9aFeeE1GgWMuKV-x6x6zQa4dMsNXqpa8)

Labour has said it will not back the call for a debate while the Speaker's office declined to comment ahead of the meeting.

What the hell is he actually doing?

[Hibrandenburg]

What the hell is he actually doing?

Brexit has made clear that many of labour's heartland red wall Socialists are not International Socialists. To win them back he has to show that he and Labour are not revolutionaries willing to destroy British culture (whatever that is) in favour of Johnny Foreigner. The red flag needs to be replaced by a red, white and blue one and the bigger the better. An attack on the democratically elected prime minister in todays political climate is tantamount to treason.

[hibsbollah]

What the hell is he actually doing?

Thank god it’s not Corbyn, that’s all that matters really.

[CapitalGreen]

Thank god it’s not Corbyn, that’s all that matters really.

Maybe they’re both sh**.

[hibsbollah]

Maybe they’re both sh**.

:faf: The important question isn’t ‘is Boris ****’, it’s is he stealing YOUR money from you to give to his mates.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210428/93379fdc637a00e2e52643f7256f0903.jpg


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[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/27/media-government-cronyism-dishonesty-bbc-press?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR3pNM0Y0DjeXVu_okkUfyeJ09P6wHB2S_oBml2Ea F6gVdgDrnoSeuGvVco

I’m so glad someone is saying this finally, no surprise it’s Monbiot and no surprise the mainstream media doesn’t touch him anymore.

[Ozyhibby]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

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[CapitalGreen]

:faf: The important question isn’t ‘is Boris ****’, it’s is he stealing YOUR money from you to give to his mates.

The “both” in my reply to you was referring to Corbyn and Starmer.

[Kato]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/176170407_4597174926966518_1186378992123219466_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=OPSh3ouJv1sAX89wZFX&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=dc83c602db6c7c5f85cd86c29885a62a&oe=60ADFC4DExactly, it's his disguise, like Rees-Mogg's top-hat and alleged Christian values. A veneer to hide the greed.

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[lapsedhibee]

Johnson completely lost his rag at PMQs today. He knows he's in trouble. Still lying that only Brexit made the vaccine rollout possible though.

[Ozyhibby]

Johnson completely lost his rag at PMQs today. He knows he's in trouble. Still lying that only Brexit made the vaccine rollout possible though.

I don’t think he will survive this to be honest. Sadly, as he was handy for indyref 2 and I was counting on him refusing a referendum.


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[weecounty hibby]

I don’t think he will survive this to be honest. Sadly, as he was handy for indyref 2 and I was counting on him refusing a referendum.


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Gove will be favourite to take over though. An even more right wing idealogue who hates the country of his birth and will continue with the line of refusing a referendum. He's a sleekit ******* as well who will be loved by the dyed in the wool Tories but won't appeal to any one else. He won't make any negative difference to the independence push

[Kato]

I don’t think he will survive this to be honest. Sadly, as he was handy for indyref 2 and I was counting on him refusing a referendum.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkJust watched a bit, he's "taking back control" by going completely tonto over things that weren't questioned. An inept baby.

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[stu in nottingham]

Johnson completely lost his rag at PMQs today. He knows he's in trouble. Still lying that only Brexit made the vaccine rollout possible though.

He certainly did, ranting, shouting and pointing his finger at Starmer whilst letting his anger boil over. He actually displayed his nasty, aggressive and hateful true self, showing his real character.

[The Harp Awakes]

Gove will be favourite to take over though. An even more right wing idealogue who hates the country of his birth and will continue with the line of refusing a referendum. He's a sleekit ******* as well who will be loved by the dyed in the wool Tories but won't appeal to any one else. He won't make any negative difference to the independence push

Yes, Boris is a bufoon, an elitist and a chancer. Gove is definitely sleekit and also a real nasty piece of work. Both are a shot in the arm to the independence movement.

[Bostonhibby]

Gove will be favourite to take over though. An even more right wing idealogue who hates the country of his birth and will continue with the line of refusing a referendum. He's a sleekit ******* as well who will be loved by the dyed in the wool Tories but won't appeal to any one else. He won't make any negative difference to the independence push The snake that is Gove is completely off the radar at the moment as he's in his bunker controlling the anti Bozo spin.

The phrase 2 cheeks of a very similar erse has never been more relevant, as someone remarked above, shuffling the bungler that is Bozo out the way just really changes the puppet, the puppeteers are still largely in place.

Its almost as if Bozo was allowed to be leader to deliver brexit as he would say just about anything and leave a mess behind but wouldn't be around for long so it didn't matter.

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[Ozyhibby]

Wonder if Gove has similar taste in wallpaper?


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[Bostonhibby]

Wonder if Gove has similar taste in wallpaper?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkDepends on who is paying

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[Ozyhibby]

Depends on who is paying

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You. It’s always you.


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[Bostonhibby]

You. It’s always you.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI haven't got any money[emoji16]

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[weecounty hibby]

Apparently Boris Johnson will have the final say on whether Boris Johnson has done anything wrong!! I suspect I know what the verdict will be.

[Bostonhibby]

Apparently Boris Johnson will have the final say on whether Boris Johnson has done anything wrong!! I suspect I know what the verdict will be.It worked for Patel's breach of the ministerial code so a different outcome seems unlikely here.

He's a sort of Kim Jong Un with slightly worse dress sense but we got to vote for him.

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[weecounty hibby]

It worked for Patel's breach of the ministerial code so a different outcome seems unlikely here.

He's a sort of Kim Jong Un with slightly worse dress sense but we got to vote for him.

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It's truly astonishing. Unionists were calling Scotland a one party state recently. But when our FM was accused of wrongdoing she was in front of a committee for 8 hours giving evidence. She also was subject to an independent review from a legal expert from Ireland. In England ****ing Johnson seems to be the sole arbiter of what is right and wrong. Which one looks like a one party state? Westminster is corrupt and the sooner we are out of it the better

[Bostonhibby]

It's truly astonishing. Unionists were calling Scotland a one party state recently. But when our FM was accused of wrongdoing she was in front of a committee for 8 hours giving evidence. She also was subject to an independent review from a legal expert from Ireland. In England ****ing Johnson seems to be the sole arbiter of what is right and wrong. Which one looks like a one party state? Westminster is corrupt and the sooner we are out of it the betterIts essentially a gang who all have enough dirt on each other so no one's going to lose their job anytime soon, the arbiter of what is right and wrong is as compromised as the rest and it's not as if the history, morals and character of the individuals involved were unknown.

Democracy gave them the majority to do what they like, including closing down democracy when it doesn't suit.

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[Hibrandenburg]

Its essentially a gang who all have enough dirt on each other so no one's going to lose their job anytime soon, the arbiter of what is right and wrong is as compromised as the rest and it's not as if the history, morals and character of the individuals involved were unknown.

Democracy gave them the majority to do what they like, including closing down democracy when it doesn't suit.

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It all depends what Cummings wants. He knows where the bodies are buried. If he wants to bring Johnson down then Johnson will fall and take a few with him. If he wants finacial gain or influence, then he'll have finacial gain and influence. If anything, Gove will be more of a Cummings puppet than Johnson.

[Bostonhibby]

It all depends what Cummings wants. He knows where the bodies are buried. If he wants to bring Johnson down then Johnson will fall and take a few with him. If he wants finacial gain or influence, then he'll have finacial gain and influence. If anything, Gove will be more of a Cummings puppet than Johnson.Agreed, I dont think it's any more complicated than Cummings goes back a way with Gove, he holds a lot of cards and will play just enough to undermine Bozo to the point he'll have to jump or push back.

There will be dirt on Cummings too and we are talking about the Nasty party here so it could just be case of sitting back watching whilst the unspeakable pursues the inedible, to paraphrase.

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[JimBHibees]

It's truly astonishing. Unionists were calling Scotland a one party state recently. But when our FM was accused of wrongdoing she was in front of a committee for 8 hours giving evidence. She also was subject to an independent review from a legal expert from Ireland. In England ****ing Johnson seems to be the sole arbiter of what is right and wrong. Which one looks like a one party state? Westminster is corrupt and the sooner we are out of it the better

Yep the process, governance and reporting of the two governments is completely night and day. Corrupt sums it up.

[Ozyhibby]

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Johnson is toast. They will move against him after these elections.


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[degenerated]

I don’t think he will survive this to be honest. Sadly, as he was handy for indyref 2 and I was counting on him refusing a referendum.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkGove will be even better for the indy cause.

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[Callum_62]

I wonder what Douglas Ross is saying about potential breaches of ministerial code....

Strangely quiet on this one

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[Future17]

Wonder if Gove has similar taste in wallpaper?


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Just reading that Gove's wife said Johnson had been forced to get rid of Theresa May's furniture from John Lewis as the PM couldn't be expected to live "in a skip". :rolleyes:

[Bostonhibby]

I wonder what Douglas Ross is saying about potential breaches of ministerial code....

Strangely quiet on this one

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkHe'll be leaving comment to Bozo's pal Murray Ross as he knows him better.

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[ronaldo7]

Just reading that Gove's wife said Johnson had been forced to get rid of Theresa May's furniture from John Lewis as the PM couldn't be expected to live "in a skip". :rolleyes:

Tories struggling to read the room again.

I've been watching some of the reports on ITV on the housing stock some families are expected to live in. It's horrendous. Some of the flats are not habitable.

[hibsbollah]

Just reading that Gove's wife said Johnson had been forced to get rid of Theresa May's furniture from John Lewis as the PM couldn't be expected to live "in a skip". :rolleyes:

The best thing about this whole story is it reveals the truth that Class really matters. Even though we are constantly told it doesn’t.

Lots of voters, and almost all Tory voters, are middle class or define themselves as middle class. Most middle and lower middle class voters aspire to having John Lewis furniture in their house, because that’s what upper middle class people have in their houses. The fact that Boris and the rest of them consider John Lewis furniture as beneath them, like living ‘in with stuff that came out of a skip, shouldn’t be surprising, because they are Upper Class. An upper class person would rather have an old piece of furniture with holes in it than John Lewis furniture. And all this is important because it breaks the fantasy that Boris is ‘One of Us’, to a particular breed of mostly English voters. He just isn’t. He’s in the top 0.25% or thereabouts.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9518183/Boriss-despairing-cry-Downing-St-aides-lavish-new-decor.html

[hibsbollah]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9518183/Boriss-despairing-cry-Downing-St-aides-lavish-new-decor.html

Classic. Personalise the story. Make it about an ‘extravagant wife’. Give a wee kick to the ex wife fleecing him for extra misogyny points. Encourage your reader to empathise with Boris, even as he gets taken down. ‘My wife’s the same, she always spends too much’. Don’t ask the big questions.

I ****ing hate the Daily Mail.

[SHODAN]

Gove will be even better for the indy cause.

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The members might not want him though. Sunak is very popular and might sneak it.

[hibsbollah]

The members might not want him though. Sunak is very popular and might sneak it.

Sunak is going to have to claw back a lot of money to balance the books post covid. Not sure how popular he’ll be when the tax rises and cuts get announced. Maybe a move away from chancellor is the best thing for him personally.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9518183/Boriss-despairing-cry-Downing-St-aides-lavish-new-decor.html

Johnson is about to throw his wife under the bus to save himself, isn’t he? [emoji23]


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[CropleyWasGod]

Johnson is about to throw his wife under the bus to save himself, isn’t he? [emoji23]


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Pie thinks so :greengrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp1FIbBEoWw

[hibsbollah]

Johnson is about to throw his wife under the bus to save himself, isn’t he? [emoji23]


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It could also be Cummings briefing against CarrieSymonds. No love lost there.

[Kato]

Johnson is about to throw his wife under the bus to save himself, isn’t he? [emoji23]


His wife is still under the last bus, this is his girlfriend.

[Bostonhibby]

His wife is still under the last bus, this is his girlfriend.One of his girlfriends.

Surprised he's not had the fragrant Jennifer bumped off yet.

In reality the Arcuri stories show that he's pretty shameless so is more likely to just brass this latest distraction out. Better than talking about snouts in troughs and avoidable Covid deaths on his watch.

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[Northernhibee]

Johnson is about to throw his wife under the bus to save himself, isn’t he? [emoji23]


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An astonishing post on the readers comments underneath:

[QUOTE] Here's the problem. Boris is rich, but he's not Trump rich. Trump could afford to marry a high-maintenance model young enough to be his daughter. Melanie could use hundred dollar bills to wipe her bum, and Trump wouldn't notice the difference in his bank balance. But when you're just regular rich, and you have two ex-wives and at least six children (who of course all have to go to expensive private schools), you have to choose a slightly less profligate girlfriend - one who maybe just uses ten dollar bills to wipe her bum.[\QUOTE]

[Future17]

Tories struggling to read the room again.

I've been watching some of the reports on ITV on the housing stock some families are expected to live in. It's horrendous. Some of the flats are not habitable.

Agreed. I can't think about it too much in that context as it turns my stomach.

I am enjoying reference to "cash for curtains" though. It's ironic considering he won't be drawn on it.

[Killiehibbie]

Johnson is about to throw his wife under the bus to save himself, isn’t he? [emoji23]


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I saw his personal life compared to that of Idi Amin. There are other similarities as well.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Future17]

I saw his personal life compared to that of Idi Amin. There are other similarities as well.

The Last King of (an unindependent) Scotland? :wink:

[lapsedhibee]

Agreed. I can't think about it too much in that context as it turns my stomach.

I am enjoying reference to "cash for curtains" though. It's ironic considering he won't be drawn on it.

:greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/179613591_10158332717338014_7741483408296172760_n. jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=8R8DMbknJxEAX9RUMg_&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=1eb1bb16aef17353fcfd151742579faa&oe=60B120C1

:greengrin

[Hibs Class]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9518183/Boriss-despairing-cry-Downing-St-aides-lavish-new-decor.html

That article is proof that extravagance and good taste don't necessarily go together

[cabbageandribs1875]

EXCLUSIVE: 4 more VIP-lane companies revealed - Good Law Project (https://goodlawproject.org/update/awarded-contracts-vip-lane/)


Good Law Project is today able to reveal the names of four more companies awarded contracts through the VIP lane: Clandeboye Agencies, P14 Medical, Luxe Lifestyle and Meller Designs.


P14 Medical, run by a Tory councillor (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53361167) and donor (http://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/?currentPage=1&rows=10&query=dechan&sort=AcceptedDate&order=desc&tab=1&et=pp&et=ppm&et=tp&et=perpar&et=rd&isIrishSourceYes=true&isIrishSourceNo=true&prePoll=false&postPoll=true&register=gb&register=ni&register=none&optCols=Register&optCols=CampaigningName&optCols=AccountingUnitsAsCentralParty&optCols=IsSponsorship&optCols=IsIrishSource&optCols=RegulatedDoneeType&optCols=CompanyRegistrationNumber&optCols=Postcode&optCols=NatureOfDonation&optCols=PurposeOfVisit&optCols=DonationAction&optCols=ReportedDate&optCols=IsReportedPrePoll&optCols=ReportingPeriodName&optCols=IsBequest&optCols=IsAggregation), was awarded £276m in PPE contracts (https://bidstats.uk/tenders/?q=%22p14%22).
Meller Designs, run by David Meller a large Tory donor and trustee of the rightwing lobby group Policy Exchange (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/01/tory-donor-lobbied-minister-to-speed-up-his-65m-ppe-deal), was given more than £160m in PPE contracts (https://bidstats.uk/tenders/?q=%22Meller%22#749862911-737345565-0).
Luxe Lifestyle was awarded a £26m contract (https://bidstats.uk/tenders/?q=%22luxe+lifestyle%22) despite appearing to be insolvent and without any employees (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11703750/filing-history).
And Clandeboye Agencies whose registered trade (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/NI617785) on Companies House is “wholesale of sugar, chocolate and sugar confectionery” was awarded £108m in PPE contracts (see page 73 (https://glplive.org/2904-sd-bundle) and following). We should say that the Government says Clandeboye was not in the VIP lane – but its own internal documents tell a different story.

[Bostonhibby]

EXCLUSIVE: 4 more VIP-lane companies revealed - Good Law Project (https://goodlawproject.org/update/awarded-contracts-vip-lane/)


Good Law Project is today able to reveal the names of four more companies awarded contracts through the VIP lane: Clandeboye Agencies, P14 Medical, Luxe Lifestyle and Meller Designs.


P14 Medical, run by a Tory councillor (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53361167) and donor (http://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/?currentPage=1&rows=10&query=dechan&sort=AcceptedDate&order=desc&tab=1&et=pp&et=ppm&et=tp&et=perpar&et=rd&isIrishSourceYes=true&isIrishSourceNo=true&prePoll=false&postPoll=true&register=gb&register=ni&register=none&optCols=Register&optCols=CampaigningName&optCols=AccountingUnitsAsCentralParty&optCols=IsSponsorship&optCols=IsIrishSource&optCols=RegulatedDoneeType&optCols=CompanyRegistrationNumber&optCols=Postcode&optCols=NatureOfDonation&optCols=PurposeOfVisit&optCols=DonationAction&optCols=ReportedDate&optCols=IsReportedPrePoll&optCols=ReportingPeriodName&optCols=IsBequest&optCols=IsAggregation), was awarded £276m in PPE contracts (https://bidstats.uk/tenders/?q=%22p14%22).
Meller Designs, run by David Meller a large Tory donor and trustee of the rightwing lobby group Policy Exchange (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/01/tory-donor-lobbied-minister-to-speed-up-his-65m-ppe-deal), was given more than £160m in PPE contracts (https://bidstats.uk/tenders/?q=%22Meller%22#749862911-737345565-0).
Luxe Lifestyle was awarded a £26m contract (https://bidstats.uk/tenders/?q=%22luxe+lifestyle%22) despite appearing to be insolvent and without any employees (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11703750/filing-history).
And Clandeboye Agencies whose registered trade (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/NI617785) on Companies House is “wholesale of sugar, chocolate and sugar confectionery” was awarded £108m in PPE contracts (see page 73 (https://glplive.org/2904-sd-bundle) and following). We should say that the Government says Clandeboye was not in the VIP lane – but its own internal documents tell a different story.
The existing suppliers and manufacturers must be livid, some were put on the ignore list by whoever was making the decisions to award the contracts as they did.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

The existing suppliers and manufacturers must be livid, some were put on the ignore list by whoever was making the decisions to award the contracts as they did.

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Dominic will know :wink:

[Bostonhibby]

Dominic will know :wink:Lord Deighton, PPE "Tsar" and all round Tory seems to have been practical alternative to any form of tendering or indeed any meaningful scrutiny of who got what.

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[Lendo]

Surely to be eligible to be PM you have to be financially stable? If BJ’s are in such a mess then what else is getting slipped in to his pocket for a favour here and there?

[Stairway 2 7]

Not tories but there chums the dup about to make a crackpot ******** religious nutter their leader. Some of his best bits, wonder how old the giants causeway will be on their website

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1387674064320401409

[Future17]

Not tories but there chums the dup about to make a crackpot ******** religious nutter their leader. Some of his best bits, wonder how old the giants causeway will be on their website

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1387674064320401409

What makes him a "religious nutter"? Or do you just mean he's a nutter who happens to be religious?

[Stairway 2 7]

What makes him a "religious nutter"? Or do you just mean he's a nutter who happens to be religious?

Because his bawbaggery comes from following the words of a 2000 year old heavily redacted book. Also taking it literally believing the world is 4000 years old and gay people in love is abhorrent. Its dangerous his religious views can get legitimacy and influence by being part in control of a country. His horrible views didn't come from watching eastenders it came from the church he follows. If he was Islamic or amish I'd think the same

[Stairway 2 7]

And just to add him being a bam is obviously nothing to do with the 99% of religious people that aren't nut jobs. Just thought it interesting one of the major parties in the UK ,are set to be lead by someone like that

[lapsedhibee]

believing the world is 4000 years old

:tsk tsk: Complete misrepresentation of his view. He said in 2007 that the earth was made in 4000BC, so it was about 6006 years old then and is about 6020 years old now.

[Stairway 2 7]

:tsk tsk: Complete misrepresentation of his view. He said in 2007 that the earth was made in 4000BC, so it was about 6006 years old then and is about 6020 years old now.

Do apologies he's actually spot on then, still think gay people being heathens is a bit unfair though

[hibsbollah]

:tsk tsk: Complete misrepresentation of his view. He said in 2007 that the earth was made in 4000BC, so it was about 6006 years old then and is about 6020 years old now.

...which is of course nonsense. The earth was created exactly 146 years ago.

[Ozyhibby]

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Tories are untouchable in England. We only have one way out of this.


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[Jones28]

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Tories are untouchable in England. We only have one way out of this.


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What do they have to do to lose points?

It’s Donald trump “shoot somebody on fifth Avenue and not lose a single vote” territory.

[Hibrandenburg]

What do they have to do to lose points?

It’s Donald trump “shoot somebody on fifth Avenue and not lose a single vote” territory.

We need to get Anti Corruption Unit 12 on to him.

[Bangkok Hibby]

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Tories are untouchable in England. We only have one way out of this.


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English Tory voters deserve all they get! Very close behind, maybe even more so, are Scottish voters who vote to preserve the union.

[Future17]

Because his bawbaggery comes from following the words of a 2000 year old heavily redacted book. Also taking it literally believing the world is 4000 years old and gay people in love is abhorrent. Its dangerous his religious views can get legitimacy and influence by being part in control of a country. His horrible views didn't come from watching eastenders it came from the church he follows. If he was Islamic or amish I'd think the same

I get you. :aok: