Tories are still lying *******s

[archie]

Work out the details = negotiate. Nowhere did I suggest taking whatever they offer.

If you commit to rejoining before sorting out details then it doesn't give you much room for negotiation.

[grunt]

If you commit to rejoining before sorting out details then it doesn't give you much room for negotiation.

I'm done here.

[Ozyhibby]

If you commit to rejoining before sorting out details then it doesn't give you much room for negotiation.

What’s to negotiate?


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[Kato]

If you commit to rejoining before sorting out details then it doesn't give you much room for negotiation.When the UK joined the Common Market in 1973 it came after applying to join in 1961. De Gualle said "non" but once he was out of power the UK made a further commitment to join in in 1969. Four years of negotiations later we were members.

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[Mibbes Aye]

Think what you want really.

Way over my head, the picture your painting in yours.

Biggie Smalls? Very twentieth century, like the Labour Party.

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:faf:

Afficionadoes of the genre will know that Notorious B.I.G. popularised the term back in the day, with Playa Hater.

OG blood, OG :aok:

[Mibbes Aye]

What’s to negotiate?


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Do you think the EU will say, "yeah, no problem, let's pretend nothing ever happened and you just come back in. And all the costs of exiting, we will just write them off, and all your very favourable Ts+Cs, we will just dust them off and put them right back into place"?

We are a buyer in a sellers' market. There will be negotiations.

[Ozyhibby]

Do you think the EU will say, "yeah, no problem, let's pretend nothing ever happened and you just come back in. And all the costs of exiting, we will just write them off, and all your very favourable Ts+Cs, we will just dust them off and put them right back into place"?

We are a buyer in a sellers' market. There will be negotiations.

I think that we will be going in with the same rules as everyone else. You are correct, we will be buyers in a sellers market. And it will still be worth it for us.


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[Kato]

:faf:

Afficionadoes of the genre will know that Notorious B.I.G. popularised the term back in the day, with Playa Hater.

OG blood, OG :aok:

Always thought it was a load of macho pesh myself.

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[Mibbes Aye]

I think that we will be going in with the same rules as everyone else. You are correct, we will be buyers in a sellers market. And it will still be worth it for us.


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So, blind faith and a desire to rush into something without knowing or caring about the consequences?

You should probably support indepe.....oh, hold on :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

So, blind faith and a desire to rush into something without knowing or caring about the consequences?

You should probably support indepe.....oh, hold on :greengrin

I think we are all aware of the benefits and costs of the EU by now.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

So, blind faith and a desire to rush into something without knowing or caring about the consequences?

Good thing Scotland didn't vote for Brexit then....

[archie]

When the UK joined the Common Market in 1973 it came after applying to join in 1961. De Gualle said "non" but once he was out of power the UK made a further commitment to join in in 1969. Four years of negotiations later we were members.

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The common market was a significantly different beast to the EU. We also had a referendum on membership. SNP position was total opposition.

[archie]

I think that we will be going in with the same rules as everyone else. You are correct, we will be buyers in a sellers market. And it will still be worth it for us.


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That's why we need a negotiation. I have suggested reasons why the EU would want us back. Why wouldn't you want to get the best deal?

[grunt]

**** the Tories and all who excuse or support them.

https://twitter.com/MrsNickyClark/status/1670344758290530304?s=20

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1670132962464071684?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Grim.


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**** them. **** every single one of them.

There is no question every single one of them should be fined £10k and prosecuted for perverting the course of justice. They are a disgrace.

And to think sturgeon received similar criticisms for not wearing a mask? Or Keir Starmer having a curry and a beer in the office. Don’t even pretend these ***** were on the same level as her.

This was the party that was the night before Prince Phillips funeral wasn’t it? Now not that I give a **** about the royals, but seeing her sitting on her own at her husbands funeral was very sad. And then you’ve got these *******s.

There’s a newly made OBE in that video.

[Kato]

The common market was a significantly different beast to the EU. We also had a referendum on membership. SNP position was total opposition.I was talking about the mechanics of joining, that's all.


I was pointing out we made a commitment, then negotiated.
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[Smartie]

Not doubting that they’re genuine but do these videos not look a wee bit weirdly fake?

Like they’re from a spoof documentary or something.

[archie]

I was talking about the mechanics of joining, that's all.


I was pointing out we made a commitment, then negotiated.
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If you make a commitment that is subject to a referendum it strengthens your negotiation position.

[Kato]

Not doubting that they’re genuine but do these videos not look a wee bit weirdly fake?

Like they’re from a spoof documentary or something.They are fakes as people. Crushingly entitled yet insecure at the same time. Seen better parties on a wet Wednesday lunchtime.

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[grunt]

If you make a commitment that is subject to a referendum it strengthens your negotiation position.This is simplistic nonsense. You've gone back to your car salesman analogy. Rejoining the EU is nothing like that.

[Ozyhibby]

This is simplistic nonsense. You've gone back to your car salesman analogy. Rejoining the EU is nothing like that.

Agree. There is very little scope for bespoke levels of membership. You are either in or out.
They won’t push hard on the Euro or Schengen but everything else, you are either in or out.


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[Ozyhibby]

**** them. **** every single one of them.

There is no question every single one of them should be fined £10k and prosecuted for perverting the course of justice. They are a disgrace.

And to think sturgeon received similar criticisms for not wearing a mask? Or Keir Starmer having a curry and a beer in the office. Don’t even pretend these ***** were on the same level as her.

This was the party that was the night before Prince Phillips funeral wasn’t it? Now not that I give a **** about the royals, but seeing her sitting on her own at her husbands funeral was very sad. And then you’ve got these *******s.

There’s a newly made OBE in that video.

Will be interesting to see if some statements made to police are shown to be misleading in light of this video? Could result in some serious charges. Then again, it’s the Met.


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[Hibbyradge]

Agree. There is very little scope for bespoke levels of membership. You are either in or out.
They won’t push hard on the Euro or Schengen but everything else, you are either in or out.


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The areas that are negotiable are hugely important though.

We had a bespoke deal on an immigration brake, not joining the Euro and membership fees, off the top of my head. There will have been others.

Archie is right. Committing to a referendum to join would strengthen our position although I'm not sure I personally could cope with another one!

[gbhibby]

https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1670132962464071684?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Grim.


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Let us not forget the current PM is a bad as these rule breakers.

[Mibbes Aye]

This is simplistic nonsense. You've gone back to your car salesman analogy. Rejoining the EU is nothing like that.

So what would it be like? It’s not like reinstating a Netflix subscription is it?

[Mibbes Aye]

I think we are all aware of the benefits and costs of the EU by now.


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There seems to be a lack of awareness about what rejoining involves though.

You don’t know what the detail of the agreement would be, neither do I, neither does anybody really, there are too many variables at this point in time.

[archie]

This is simplistic nonsense. You've gone back to your car salesman analogy. Rejoining the EU is nothing like that.

So please explain to me what it is like?

[archie]

Agree. There is very little scope for bespoke levels of membership. You are either in or out.
They won’t push hard on the Euro or Schengen but everything else, you are either in or out.


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You know this how?

[Kato]

There seems to be a lack of awareness about what rejoining involves though.

You don’t know what the detail of the agreement would be, neither do I, neither does anybody really, there are too many variables at this point in time.Any fule noes it means giving up all our sovereignty, becoming slaves to EU, allowing unfettered immigration (stealing our jobs) and insulting everyone who fought in WWII of course.

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[archie]

Any fule noes it means giving up all our sovereignty, becoming slaves to EU, allowing unfettered immigration (stealing our jobs) and insulting everyone who fought in WWII of course.

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I suspect some of that is negotiable...

[Mibbes Aye]

Any fule noes it means giving up all our sovereignty, becoming slaves to EU, allowing unfettered immigration (stealing our jobs) and insulting everyone who fought in WWII of course.

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Do I get free roaming back on my phone?

[Mibbes Aye]

Any fule noes it means giving up all our sovereignty, becoming slaves to EU, allowing unfettered immigration (stealing our jobs) and insulting everyone who fought in WWII of course.

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Just on the “insulting everyone who fought in WW2”, I read a lot of Victor and Commando when I was young. I would like to be accredited with prior learning.

[Glory Lurker]

Just on the “insulting everyone who fought in WW2”, I read a lot of Victor and Commando when I was young. I would like to be accredited with prior learning.

Commando was magic, but the space one was better. Can't remember what that was called.

Arguably off topic.

[Just Alf]

commando was magic, but the space one was better. Can't remember what that was called.

Arguably off topic.2000ad ?

[Glory Lurker]

2000ad ?

No, although that was class too. It was by the same folk as Commando. I'd have been reading it early 80s.

[Just Alf]

No, although that was class too. It was by the same folk as Commando. I'd have been reading it early 80s.Tickling my brain that, gonna annoy me now!

[Hibrandenburg]

There seems to be a lack of awareness about what rejoining involves though.

You don’t know what the detail of the agreement would be, neither do I, neither does anybody really, there are too many variables at this point in time.

Agreed. One thing is for sure, the EU definitely wouldn't want to see the UK rejoin with better conditions than when we left.

[degenerated]

Agreed. One thing is for sure, the EU definitely wouldn't want to see the UK rejoin with better conditions than when we left.I'd be surprised if they wanted to see the UK rejoin full stop.

[archie]

Agreed. One thing is for sure, the EU definitely wouldn't want to see the UK rejoin with better conditions than when we left.

I agree. You can't be seen to reward Brexit, but that doesn't mean there is no scope to negotiate.

[archie]

I'd be surprised if they wanted to see the UK rejoin full stop.

Why?

[Mibbes Aye]

Always thought it was a load of macho pesh myself.

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https://www.google.com/search?q=father+ted+dougal+snoop+dogg&rlz=1CARGFB_enGB954&biw=1366&bih=617&tbm=vid&sxsrf=APwXEddGblp6Aths03w5hU-ANFZWqQRnXg%3A1687112277772&ei=VUqPZNzjLtG8gQaw_ZGAAw&ved=0ahUKEwic4oyAt83_AhVRXsAKHbB-BDAQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=father+ted+dougal+snoop+dogg&gs_lcp=Cg1nd3Mtd2l6LXZpZGVvEAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgATI FCCEQoAE6BwgjELACECc6BAgjECc6BwghEKABEApQyQhYrSpgp DNoAHAAeACAAW-IAZkHkgEDOS4ymAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz-video#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:4625c4ae,vid:e9VNUjF097Y

:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Do I get free roaming back on my phone?

Yes


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[Skol]

Yes


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I’ve been abroad three times since brexit. Twice I have had free roaming as per my uk deal. The once I didn’t was in turkey which is non EU.

[Kato]

https://www.google.com/search?q=father+ted+dougal+snoop+dogg&rlz=1CARGFB_enGB954&biw=1366&bih=617&tbm=vid&sxsrf=APwXEddGblp6Aths03w5hU-ANFZWqQRnXg%3A1687112277772&ei=VUqPZNzjLtG8gQaw_ZGAAw&ved=0ahUKEwic4oyAt83_AhVRXsAKHbB-BDAQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=father+ted+dougal+snoop+dogg&gs_lcp=Cg1nd3Mtd2l6LXZpZGVvEAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgATI FCCEQoAE6BwgjELACECc6BAgjECc6BwghEKABEApQyQhYrSpgp DNoAHAAeACAAW-IAZkHkgEDOS4ymAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz-video#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:4625c4ae,vid:e9VNUjF097Y

:greengrinSnoop is more of a lover.

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[Mibbes Aye]

Yes


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When the referendum happened, it obviously took time to do the disengagement stuff, four years in the end.

At the time my thoughts were that a lot of the Leavers would only fully appreciate what Brexit meant when it hit them personally and directly. On holiday in Spain, Portugal, France, Italy etc etc. I wasn't thinking about passport control at airports, I was thinking about the very day-to-day stuff like using your phone.

Covid delayed it for a bit, but now people can see some of the direct consequences and realise that it wasnt just a terribly bad idea, it was an idea that would inconvenience them and cost them, and people respond to that, it makes it real.

[Mibbes Aye]

Snoop is more of a lover.

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No cap :agree:

[Just Alf]

I’ve been abroad three times since brexit. Twice I have had free roaming as per my uk deal. The once I didn’t was in turkey which is non EU.There was a temporary law put in place to allow roaming to continue.. its now expired though..
This is from compare the market...

"Initially, the UK’s big four mobile network operators kept free data roaming in the EU after Brexit. However, after EE broke ranks, other mobile networks quickly followed suit. Now O2 is the only major network to allow their customers to use their domestic allowances in Europe at no extra cost. EE, Three and Vodafone have all brought in data roaming charges that will affect new mobile customers travelling in the EU."

O2 (as do the others) have a usage cap of 25GB ... well worth double checking before you go so you don't get an unhappy surprise :-/

[Hibrandenburg]

When the referendum happened, it obviously took time to do the disengagement stuff, four years in the end.

At the time my thoughts were that a lot of the Leavers would only fully appreciate what Brexit meant when it hit them personally and directly. On holiday in Spain, Portugal, France, Italy etc etc. I wasn't thinking about passport control at airports, I was thinking about the very day-to-day stuff like using your phone.

Covid delayed it for a bit, but now people can see some of the direct consequences and realise that it wasnt just a terribly bad idea, it was an idea that would inconvenience them and cost them, and people respond to that, it makes it real.

People are thick, you don't have to put your hand in the fire to find out it burns.

[Kato]

People are thick, you don't have to put your hand in the fire to find out it burns.Unless the Daily Mail has headlines every day saying fire is good for your hands.

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[Hibrandenburg]

Unless the Daily Mail has headlines every day saying fire is good for your hands.

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They're still thick.

[Bostonhibby]

Unless the Daily Mail has headlines every day saying fire is good for your hands.

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[Kato]

I've no doubt some unelected bureaucrat at the EU would advise against using my sovereign right to ignite my extremities, utter bassas.

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[Bostonhibby]

I've no doubt some unelected bureaucrat at the EU would advise against using my sovereign right to ignite my extremities, utter bassas.

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[Mibbes Aye]

Hordes of illegal immigrants are swamping this country to set fire to their hands. Near schools. At the taxpayers' expense.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Hordes of illegal immigrants are swamping this country to set fire to their hands. Near schools. At the taxpayers' expense.

And they’re forcing the kids at those schools to eat the halal meat they’re cooking with their flaming hands, paid for by the tax payer


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

UK Government set to spend £55million of tax payers money on Covid inquiry legal expenses.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2e46qloxs8

Yet, if you google it. There isn't a single news article about it anywhere.

[Mibbes Aye]

UK Government set to spend £55million of tax payers money on Covid inquiry legal expenses.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2e46qloxs8

Yet, if you google it. There isn't a single news article about it anywhere.

It was covered by the Guardian, the Telegraph and Politico last August. Probably others too.

You maybe need to check if you have “within the last seven days” switched on in your search filter…….

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/1670817755354787841?s=20


Penny Mordaunt sits alone on the government front bench, having explained why she will be supporting the verdict on Boris Johnson. None of her ministerial colleagues have turned out to support her.

[grunt]

Mogg, lower than a snake's belly.

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1670830421737717774?s=20

[cabbageandribs1875]

so what's the Westminster timetable today, will there be a vote on Liar boy or what :rolleyes:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Brilliant speech from Ian Blackford

[grunt]

Where is the PM?

https://twitter.com/hewitson10/status/1670852370614345730?s=20

[Jack]

so what's the Westminster timetable today, will there be a vote on Liar boy or what :rolleyes:

They're still not sure about a vote. Business wrapped up by 10pm.

[lapsedhibee]

so what's the Westminster timetable today, will there be a vote on Liar boy or what :rolleyes:

Voting now.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Where is the PM?

https://twitter.com/hewitson10/status/1670852370614345730?s=20

https://i.ibb.co/BwFy7s9/Meat-Fridge.jpg

[cabbageandribs1875]

They're still not sure about a vote. Business wrapped up by 10pm.


Voting now.


ta just flicked back again for this exciting moment :greengrin there's been some very good speeches


Ian Blackford
Pete Wishart
Carloline Lucas
Dawn Butler

[cabbageandribs1875]

to approve the report

Ayes to the left 354

tw@ts/Divi's/prats/enablers to the right 7




25 year jail sentence approved, no parole

[Jack]

Someone has found a "mountain" of discarded PPE!

Given no-one knew it was there there's a possibility it's been fly tipped!!

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2023-06-19/care-home-staff-cross-after-tonnes-of-unused-ppe-is-found

[cabbageandribs1875]

Someone has found a "mountain" of discarded PPE!

Given no-one knew it was there there's a possibility it's been fly tipped there!!

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2023-06-19/care-home-staff-cross-after-tonnes-of-unused-ppe-is-found


saw that yesterday quite astonishing

[lapsedhibee]

to approve the report

Ayes to the left 354

tw@ts/Divi's/prats/enablers to the right 7


Maybe only six, as one of the seven was possibly a Labour whip just forcing a vote. Playing politics! :tsk tsk:

[Mibbes Aye]

to approve the report

Ayes to the left 354

tw@ts/Divi's/prats/enablers to the right 7




25 year jail sentence approved, no parole

It's the Tories who abstained delibarately who are the worst ones.

Too cowardly to stand up to the pro-Boris lobby, or indeed their local members.

I hope, come the election, their opponents make sure everybody knows where they were tonight. And I don't really care which party they might choose to vote for in the end.

[Glory Lurker]

Where is the PM?

https://twitter.com/hewitson10/status/1670852370614345730?s=20

Who?

[lapsedhibee]

tw@ts/Divi's/prats/enablers to the right 7



7 being reported as

Desmond Swayne
Joy Morrisey
Karl McCartney
Adam Holloway
Heather Wheeler
Nick Fletcher
Bill Cash

Brendan Clarke Smith didn't vote as it would have given the process legitimacy. :crazy:

[Hibby70]

7 being reported as

Desmond Swayne
Joy Morrisey
Karl McCartney
Adam Holloway
Heather Wheeler
Nick Fletcher
Bill Cash

Brendan Clarke Smith didn't vote as it would have given the process legitimacy. :crazy:

So Lia Nici didn't vote after saying she believed that he didn't deliberately mislead the house.

[lapsedhibee]

So Lia Nici didn't vote after saying she believed that he didn't deliberately mislead the house.

Johnson had previously asked his fans not to vote against the motion, so she was just following orders.

[Bostonhibby]

So Lia Nici didn't vote after saying she believed that he didn't deliberately mislead the house.One of the most odious,hopefully headed towards oblivion but probably got an eye on the Dorries "role" in Bozo's future world, whatever that entails

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[Ozyhibby]

Johnson had previously asked his fans not to vote against the motion, so she was just following orders.

Given how afraid top Tories are to go against him, I wouldn’t rule out him coming back.


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[BroxburnHibee]

Given how afraid top Tories are to go against him, I wouldn’t rule out him coming back.


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I just don't see it - He's done.

I could never ever vote Tory but I suspect Penny will be their next leader - she's impressive.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It's the Tories who abstained delibarately who are the worst ones.

Too cowardly to stand up to the pro-Boris lobby, or indeed their local members.

I hope, come the election, their opponents make sure everybody knows where they were tonight. And I don't really care which party they might choose to vote for in the end.


Caroline Lucas was right


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/347404657_654667523370708_4614288058642898187_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=n9f6lDHFmTwAX--f048&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfBYQCwi9hTbxwnQnjpLMpFpq_dkg0uPaCD8OUNdEQfb OA&oe=6495AA4E

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Sunak had a real opportunity yesterday to show who is in charge and calling the shots. Looks like his advisors told him that it is the pro-Boris faction and he had better toe the line. Not sure who sanctioned the appearance of Michael Gove on LK on Sunday morning, but the weasel was able to spin the line that abstention was principled.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Interesting new logo for the Torygraph politics twitter account. :eyes:

https://twitter.com/TelePolitics?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eser p%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Same on their Facebook account.

https://www.facebook.com/TelePolitics/

[Mibbes Aye]

Interesting new logo for the Torygraph politics twitter account. :eyes:

https://twitter.com/TelePolitics?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eser p%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Same on their Facebook account.

https://www.facebook.com/TelePolitics/


That was the masthead they originally used when the paper was launched in the 1850s. They went back to it about ten years ago, to commemorate an anniversary, 160 years I'm guessing.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

That was the masthead they originally used when the paper was launched in the 1850s. They went back to it about ten years ago, to commemorate an anniversary, 160 years I'm guessing.

You'd think they'd perhaps move on from that, purely for appearances sake. I would think that most people in 2023 would see that logo and only really arrive at one conclusion. The comments on twitter pretty much sum it up. People aren't interested in the content of the tweets, almost anybody commenting is doing so in regards to the logo.

[Mibbes Aye]

Just looking at the breakddown of last night's vote.

All the Lib Dems voted 'for'. For Labour the no-shows were less than 10%. For the SNP, the 'did not votes' were 27%, more than one in four, led by Mhairi Black.

i can understand the Labour numbers - unless heavily-whipped, most parties will miss a few MPs when it comes to the division bell, but more than a quarter missing the chance to stick it to BoJo?

To put it in a different context, that would be like more than 50 Labour MPs not sanctioning Johnson. Now that would be newsworthy

Any particular reason why such a large proportion of SNP MPs were absent?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Interestingly Wes Streeting abstained on the vote, despite being the shadow secretary for Health and Social Care.

[Mibbes Aye]

You'd think they'd perhaps move on from that, purely for appearances sake. I would think that most people in 2023 would see that logo and only really arrive at one conclusion. The comments on twitter pretty much sum it up. People aren't interested in the content of the tweets, almost anybody commenting is doing so in regards to the logo.

Newspapers do it all the time, the Guardian is particularly prone to it IIRC. And of course our football club, and many others often hark back to their priginal strip for anniversaries and the like.

i didn't read comments on Twitter, it's a bucket of bile and vitriol for the most part, as are so many BTLs.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Newspapers do it all the time, the Guardian is particularly prone to it IIRC. And of course our football club, and many others often hark back to their priginal strip for anniversaries and the like.

i didn't read comments on Twitter, it's a bucket of bile and vitriol for the most part, as are so many BTLs.

Indeed. But when most companies or football clubs hark back to their original logos, strips... etc. They tend not to have striking similarities to fascist militias. It's a symbolism that you'd think they'd want to disassociate themselves with. It really doesn't look good for them. In my opinion of course.

[Ozyhibby]

Just looking at the breakddown of last night's vote.

All the Lib Dems voted 'for'. For Labour the no-shows were less than 10%. For the SNP, the 'did not votes' were 27%, more than one in four, led by Mhairi Black.

i can understand the Labour numbers - unless heavily-whipped, most parties will miss a few MPs when it comes to the division bell, but more than a quarter missing the chance to stick it to BoJo?

To put it in a different context, that would be like more than 50 Labour MPs not sanctioning Johnson. Now that would be newsworthy

Any particular reason why such a large proportion of SNP MPs were absent?

No idea who voted what or where but think it’s sad that we are still obsessing over this man. The country is going to the dogs and all the media want to talk about is him. Every colum inch devoted to him is less talking about the coming massive recession and housing crisis. Hopefully it’s over soon.


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[Mibbes Aye]

Indeed. But when most companies or football clubs hark back to their original logos, strips... etc. They tend not to have striking similarities to fascist militias. It's a symbolism that you'd think they'd want to disassociate themselves with. It really doesn't look good for them. In my opinion of course.

It seems a bit rough to blame them for using a font in the 1850s that might be used by undesirable others, later.

I had another look and my first impression was the font and the colours were what Arsenal have used for the last few seasons. I guess people see what they want to see though.

Incidentally, it is the same font as the New York Times and the Washington Post. They both started in the mid-19th century as well.

[Mibbes Aye]

No idea who voted what or where but think it’s sad that we are still obsessing over this man. The country is going to the dogs and all the media want to talk about is him. Every colum inch devoted to him is less talking about the coming massive recession and housing crisis. Hopefully it’s over soon.


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Bit of a devil and the deep blue sea if you are a Tory strategist (no laughing at the back).

Johnson's ulcerous presence highlights the complete lack of unity in the party, the bitter recrrimination and the divisions and strife. Vote loser.

Focusing on policy highlights that any economic recovery, even marginal, is unlikely to come in time for them (and certainly won't be down to them). Vote loser.

If I was at CCHQ, I might be tempted to see the Johnson saga bubble away and distract from the economy. If there becomes a sniff of a chance of a plausible tax cut then trumpet that and at the same time engineer a situation where Sunak publicly denounces him, calls him toxic for Conservatism etc.

That gets Sunak going into the election with a tax cut and a hint of leadership. It won't fool anybody but might stave off some of the exodus, in both directions. Of course they won't win the election but this is about positioning ahead of the next one - and if Labour's majority is very slim, or there is a hung parliament thatcould be sooner rather than later.

[grunt]

No idea who voted what or where but think it’s sad that we are still obsessing over this man. The country is going to the dogs and all the media want to talk about is him. Every colum inch devoted to him is less talking about the coming massive recession and housing crisis. Hopefully it’s over soon.
I guess it depends on your viewpoint. This lying liar lied about Brexit, and as a result the whole country is significantly poorer and more divided with little prospect for improvement in the decades to come. And this lying liar was the key person who lied about Brexit.

Personally I'd have him in prison on bread and water for the rest of his miserable life. But I'll admit to a touch of bias. I don't express hatred very easily, but I hate Johnson and what he's done to this country.

[Bostonhibby]

I guess it depends on your viewpoint. This lying liar lied about Brexit, and as a result the whole country is significantly poorer and more divided with little prospect for improvement in the decades to come. And this lying liar was the key person who lied about Brexit.

Personally I'd have him in prison on bread and water for the rest of his miserable life. But I'll admit to a touch of bias. I don't express hatred very easily, but I hate Johnson and what he's done to this country.Well said.

This one seems to have stood the test of time as well. And I'm no Hastings fan.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230620/bd72d987c26acce4b8855d3858548dd3.jpg

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[grunt]

Tories going full throttle to introduce as many fascist ideas into laws before they are turfed out. This one effectively BANS public bodies from boycotting countries who abuse human rights or the planet. What sort of country are we becoming?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzEnBJMaMAA-TZD?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/another-sunak-priority-in-doubt-as-national-debt-reaches-60-year-high-12906709

Losing control.


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[Bostonhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/another-sunak-priority-in-doubt-as-national-debt-reaches-60-year-high-12906709

Losing control.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSurely "world beating" is a more Conservative way to spin it.

Or is this another sunlit uplands experience?

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[Ozyhibby]

Surely "world beating" is a more Conservative way to spin it.

Or is this another sunlit uplands experience?

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Govt now paying £10bn a month in interest on the debt. That will get way worse as they trigger this huge recession with interest rate rises. We could be looking at another black Wednesday scenario very soon.


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[Bostonhibby]

Govt now paying £10bn a month in interest on the debt. That will get way worse as they trigger this huge recession with interest rate rises. We could be looking at another black Wednesday scenario very soon.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkJings, hopefully we will get plenty advance notice on the side of a bus.



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[TrumpIsAPeado]

Govt now paying £10bn a month in interest on the debt. That will get way worse as they trigger this huge recession with interest rate rises. We could be looking at another black Wednesday scenario very soon.


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£9bn. Scotland is paying the other billion.

[degenerated]

This cold war steve picture perfectly captures the strength and stability we benefit from with being part of this great union. 26903

[Keith_M]

Newspapers do it all the time, the Guardian is particularly prone to it IIRC. And of course our football club, and many others often hark back to their priginal strip for anniversaries and the like.
...


All that is true, but when the first thing that springs to mind when you look at that is The Nazi Party, then perhaps it wasn't such a good idea.

The colours, styling and font all jump out immediately as if it was something harking back to 1930s Germany.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

All that is true, but when the first thing that springs to mind when you look at that is The Nazi Party, then perhaps it wasn't such a good idea.

The colours, styling and font all jump out immediately as if it was something harking back to 1930s Germany.

:agree:

It's the combination of colours, how they're used and the style of font that makes it a problem for me. Although it's true that the New York Times and Washington Post use the same/similar fonting, I think they've been very careful to dissociate it with that type of design and for what I would consider to be quite obvious reasons.

[grunt]

Still no apparent revelation in the media (that I've seen) to explain who this woman is and what's she's done to merit being made a life peer by Liar Johnson.


Some interesting discussion being had as to what this young former special adviser to Johnson has done to warrant her elevation in his resignation honours list. She has been made a life peer at the tender age of just 30 (the youngest life peer ever, I believe). Her career would appear to be somewhat lacking in achievements. So the question is, what has she done to merit being made a life peer? She now has the ability to influence legislation across the UK for the rest of her life despite being unelected.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyauYyuWYAAv6nq?format=jpg&name=medium

[Ozyhibby]

Still no apparent revelation in the media (that I've seen) to explain who this woman is and what's she's done to merit being made a life peer by Liar Johnson.

Doesn’t matter because Labour will be in power and have vowed to do away with the House of Lords. There is no way they will go back on that.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Doesn’t matter because Labour will be in power and have vowed to do away with the House of Lords. There is no way they will go back on that.


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Do you think Labour getting in power will be brilliant news. I personally can't wait

[Ozyhibby]

Do you think Labour getting in power will be brilliant news. I personally can't wait

It absolutely would be and I’d have an election tomorrow if possible. That’s just because anything would be better than what we have. I’m still not sure what Labour is actually offering though. I just assume it must be a bit better.
I can’t remember exactly how long ago Starmer and Brown (I’m sure they probably invited Sarwar) had their big reveal but to have already ditched the main proposal seems like it will just be more of the same as far as Scotland is concerned.


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[Stairway 2 7]

It absolutely would be and I’d have an election tomorrow if possible. That’s just because anything would be better than what we have. I’m still not sure what Labour is actually offering though. I just assume it must be a bit better.
I can’t remember exactly how long ago Starmer and Brown (I’m sure they probably invited Sarwar) had their big reveal but to have already ditched the main proposal seems like it will just be more of the same as far as Scotland is concerned.


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I think your playing politics saying you think it will be more of the same. It'll be different in every way. Labour will probably be mediocre, but a world away from the tories

[degenerated]

Doesn’t matter because Labour will be in power and have vowed to do away with the House of Lords. There is no way they will go back on that.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkKeir Hardly, u turn? Surely not

https://twitter.com/DavidLinden/status/1670699537793523714?t=_NYKf2YmwcvWoa3R2o08yQ&s=19

[Ozyhibby]

I think your playing politics saying you think it will be more of the same. It'll be different in every way. Labour will probably be mediocre, but a world away from the tories

Last few years obviously has been horrific. What I’m saying is I’m not getting the vibe from Labour that they have this big reforming plan in the way Blair/Brown did. Maybe they will prove me wrong.


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[Kato]

I think your playing politics saying you think it will be more of the same. It'll be different in every way. Labour will probably be mediocre, but a world away from the toriesThey are inheriting a far worse off country than Blair did. I hope they win but there are financial booby traps coming their way and the headlines will be all out against them. If they fail, or are heavily portrayed as failing, what next?

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[Ozyhibby]

They are inheriting a far worse off country than Blair did. I hope they win but there are financial booby traps coming their way and the headlines will be all out against them. If they fail, or are heavily portrayed as failing, what next?

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They would be given time if they could properly articulate a plan?


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[Mibbes Aye]

It absolutely would be and I’d have an election tomorrow if possible. That’s just because anything would be better than what we have. I’m still not sure what Labour is actually offering though. I just assume it must be a bit better.
I can’t remember exactly how long ago Starmer and Brown (I’m sure they probably invited Sarwar) had their big reveal but to have already ditched the main proposal seems like it will just be more of the same as far as Scotland is concerned.


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House of Lords reform isn’t ditched. Setting up an elected second chamber doesn’t happen at the click of a finger though does it?

Therefore, should Labour just say “Hey, no legislation for five years or however long it takes”?

Or should it look at how the Tories have rammed the Lords full of their sympathisers, and put in a load of working peers to ensure Labour can start fixing what the Tories did, from day one?

You tell me.

All those working peers will have to be elected at some point anyway, but there is zero sense in making it easy for the Tories to block, block, block from day one.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

I think your playing politics saying you think it will be more of the same. It'll be different in every way. Labour will probably be mediocre, but a world away from the tories

Personally I think people who are saying that Labour will make a huge difference are playing politics. Labour are offering next to nothing that suggests that there will be any major changes. The few notables things they have brought forward they've been very quick to u-turn on. Their candidate selection process stinks with them preventing already successful MPs from re-standing at the next election, for the crime of having a social conscience. It's truly troubling times ahead.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Boris Johnson’s controversial resignation honours to be probed by MPs (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-s-controversial-resignation-honours-to-be-probed-by-mps/ar-AA1cOlFY?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d1d7feff422742ff955814cb71f9486b&ei=68)


and so it freakin should be, Mr integrity Sunak really doesn't look good in all of this, he's allowed two 30+ individuals highly paid jobs for life ffs

£342/day + expenses




ruth the mooth collected £25k for one year :bitchy: scandalous ‘Peers are embarrassed’: How Boris Johnson’s honours controversy left the Lords wanting reform (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/peers-are-embarrassed-how-boris-johnson-s-honours-controversy-left-the-lords-wanting-reform/ar-AA1cPU9M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d1d7feff422742ff955814cb71f9486b&ei=9)



and of course Mr Hypocrite Starmer is going to load the Lords with even more of his lot Labour defends plan to appoint dozens of peers to House of Lords (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-defends-plan-to-appoint-dozens-of-peers-to-house-of-lords/ar-AA1cQBBi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d1d7feff422742ff955814cb71f9486b&ei=101)

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/21/children-raised-under-uk-austerity-shorter-than-european-peers-study?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tories make you short.


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[JimBHibees]

Boris Johnson’s controversial resignation honours to be probed by MPs (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-s-controversial-resignation-honours-to-be-probed-by-mps/ar-AA1cOlFY?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d1d7feff422742ff955814cb71f9486b&ei=68)


and so it freakin should be, Mr integrity Sunak really doesn't look good in all of this, he's allowed two 30+ individuals highly paid jobs for life ffs

£342/day + expenses




ruth the mooth collected £25k for one year :bitchy: scandalous ‘Peers are embarrassed’: How Boris Johnson’s honours controversy left the Lords wanting reform (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/peers-are-embarrassed-how-boris-johnson-s-honours-controversy-left-the-lords-wanting-reform/ar-AA1cPU9M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d1d7feff422742ff955814cb71f9486b&ei=9)



and of course Mr Hypocrite Starmer is going to load the Lords with even more of his lot Labour defends plan to appoint dozens of peers to House of Lords (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-defends-plan-to-appoint-dozens-of-peers-to-house-of-lords/ar-AA1cQBBi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d1d7feff422742ff955814cb71f9486b&ei=101)

Thought Labour wee going to get rid of the HOL

[CropleyWasGod]

Thought Labour wee going to get rid of the HOL

That was last week.

[Ozyhibby]

Thought Labour wee going to get rid of the HOL

Do keep up.[emoji849][emoji6][emoji23]


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[JimBHibees]

Do keep up.[emoji849][emoji6][emoji23]


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:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

:greengrin

This time next week, Starmers promise to end North Sea Oil will have morphed into flooding the North Sea with oil rigs.


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[neil7908]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/mps-vote-down-labour-attempt-to-revive-animal-welfare-bill

They really are the nasty party. What possible reason could there be to not proceed with this bill to protect animals, that was part of their manifesto commitment?

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/bob-stewart-hid-directorship-defence-firm-ksantex-committee-azerbaijan-tory-mp/?utm_source=webpushr&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=Tory%20MP%20hid%20directorship2cghjWg iEO?utm_source=tw

This is the sort of thing that should be a criminal offence. Do I have faith that Labour are going to come in and fix even simple things like this?


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[Hibbyradge]

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/bob-stewart-hid-directorship-defence-firm-ksantex-committee-azerbaijan-tory-mp/?utm_source=webpushr&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=Tory%20MP%20hid%20directorship2cghjWg iEO?utm_source=tw

This is the sort of thing that should be a criminal offence. Do I have faith that Labour are going to come in and fix even simple things like this?


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How do we stop lying?

[grunt]

How do we stop lying?
We make sure that the consequences of (being caught) lying are severe. Serious jail time. Ill-gotten gains repaid. "Honours" rescinded.

You know, reversing all those things that Tories do.

I know, it'll never happen.

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/mps-vote-down-labour-attempt-to-revive-animal-welfare-bill

They really are the nasty party. What possible reason could there be to not proceed with this bill to protect animals, that was part of their manifesto commitment?They do though, look at the extraordinary lengths some of them have gone to for Bozo, Braverman still has a gig and Dominic Raab got the chance to resign before the inevitable...... I could go on

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[Hibbyradge]

We make sure that the consequences of (being caught) lying are severe. Serious jail time. Ill-gotten gains repaid. "Honours" rescinded.

You know, reversing all those things that Tories do.

I know, it'll never happen.

Serious jail time to stop lying. The simple solutions are the best.

I was wondering why there were no murders, rapes or even serious fraud anymore.

[Hibrandenburg]

Serious jail time to stop lying. The simple solutions are the best.

I was wondering why there were no murders, rapes or even serious fraud anymore.

The comfy chair. That'll sort the blaggards out.

[Ozyhibby]

How do we stop lying?

I didn’t say stop it, I said make it a criminal offence.


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[grunt]

Serious jail time to stop lying. The simple solutions are the best.
I think Bob Stewart should be in jail. Maybe you don't.

[Hibbyradge]

I think Bob Stewart should be in jail. Maybe you don't.

I like eggs, maybe you don't.

You answered my question, "How do we stop lying" with some stuff about jail time.

That won't stop lying.

Maybe Stewart deserves to be imprisoned, he most likely does, but that's not what you said.

Forget it. I hadn't followed the discussion properly.

[Hibbyradge]

I didn’t say stop it, I said make it a criminal offence.


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Yes, I misinterpreted your remark.

I agree with you.

[Mibbes Aye]

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/bob-stewart-hid-directorship-defence-firm-ksantex-committee-azerbaijan-tory-mp/?utm_source=webpushr&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=Tory%20MP%20hid%20directorship2cghjWg iEO?utm_source=tw

This is the sort of thing that should be a criminal offence. Do I have faith that Labour are going to come in and fix even simple things like this?


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If Labour are to create a law for this, it will have to join the queue so we can get your Lords reform through before anything else :wink:

[Ozyhibby]

If Labour are to create a law for this, it will have to join the queue so we can get your Lords reform through before anything else :wink:

Which is good because they have already promised to stop second jobs.[emoji106]


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[Mibbes Aye]

Which is good because they have already promised to stop second jobs.[emoji106]


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I have to confess I've not looked at the detail, but I am hopeful that backbench MPs will be allowed to continue as unpaid directors of charities and third sector organisations.They can add some real weight and benefit - but not at the expense of the job they were elected to do.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230623/4f82c5684e0b54102541fa786a25af96.jpg


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[Hibbyradge]

Wise words from Bozzo?

https://twitter.com/BrexitBuster/status/1672176491185029120?t=Qn6BJ33Fwdk3k-eUuYFSvQ&s=19

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Wise words from Bozzo?

https://twitter.com/BrexitBuster/status/1672176491185029120?t=Qn6BJ33Fwdk3k-eUuYFSvQ&s=19

I must be ill-raised, ignorant and aggressive. I’ve a masters degree and have never been arrested, but Boris said so eh


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[Bostonhibby]

I must be ill-raised, ignorant and aggressive. I’ve a masters degree and have never been arrested, but Boris said so eh


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[Jack]

Got to wonder what category his abandoned children might fall into?

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All those single mothers!

[Just Alf]

https://twitter.com/NeilDrysdale/status/1672628772619575302?t=lw1LeJLiBn429pe81XGwXQ&s=19

Lol

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzZfAGpWcAA5jel?format=jpg&name=medium

Lol
Sadly, not very funny at all. Criminal profiteering from the public purse at a time of national emergency, and seemingly very little attempt by those in power to recover the money stolen from us.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Sadly, not very funny at all. Criminal profiteering from the public purse at a time of national emergency, and seemingly very little attempt by those in power to recover the money stolen from us.

Agreed. But sometimes all we can do is laugh. We'd cry otherwise.

[Just Alf]

Agreed. But sometimes all we can do is laugh. We'd cry otherwise.This......

[cabbageandribs1875]

Lying Tory part 4214124085652352429 Partygate Tory Shaun Bailey admits he WAS in building during 'jingle and mingle' bash - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/partygate-tory-shaun-bailey-admits-30315194?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR2Nj_R1u6_tdN2Ex23gUXjRAi9WQ3q6nvIXCZyh-BUVgckpJgNI1lSvEqE)

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article30315112.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Conservative-party-staff-party-during-lockdown.jpg

[lapsedhibee]

Lying Tory part 4214124085652352429 Partygate Tory Shaun Bailey admits he WAS in building during 'jingle and mingle' bash - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/partygate-tory-shaun-bailey-admits-30315194?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR2Nj_R1u6_tdN2Ex23gUXjRAi9WQ3q6nvIXCZyh-BUVgckpJgNI1lSvEqE)

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article30315112.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Conservative-party-staff-party-during-lockdown.jpg

Surely now he must be downgraded from an Earl to a Viscount, at least.

[Bostonhibby]

Agreed. But sometimes all we can do is laugh. We'd cry otherwise.They're laughing at us for sure so maybe that's all that's left given that these thieving **** have got their collective backs covered.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Ex-health secretary Matt Hancock has criticised the UK's pandemic planning ahead of Covid, saying it was too focused on dealing with deaths rather than averting them.

He told the Covid inquiry the focus was to plan for the consequences of a disaster: "Can we buy enough body bags, where are we going to bury the dead? That was completely wrong."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66029325

[Jack]

Ex-health secretary Matt Hancock has criticised the UK's pandemic planning ahead of Covid, saying it was too focused on dealing with deaths rather than averting them.

He told the Covid inquiry the focus was to plan for the consequences of a disaster: "Can we buy enough body bags, where are we going to bury the dead? That was completely wrong."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66029325

Perhaps that was the only bit of the prepandemic planning peanut brain retained from all the reams of documentation.

I was involved in earlier versions of pandemic planing and it covered everything you could possibly imagine. To be fair though when I got as far as the body bags it made me gasp!

[Ozyhibby]

Thames water about to go just with £14bn of debt. You would have to think this will not affect taxpayers in Scotland?


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[Bostonhibby]

Ex-health secretary Matt Hancock has criticised the UK's pandemic planning ahead of Covid, saying it was too focused on dealing with deaths rather than averting them.

He told the Covid inquiry the focus was to plan for the consequences of a disaster: "Can we buy enough body bags, where are we going to bury the dead? That was completely wrong."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66029325

He's been more candid than I expected but maybe that is because there's no realistic consequences for him or any of them as a result of this enquiry?

I'd like to have seen him grilled on the awarding of contracts and choice of suppliers by his department. Maybe his pub landlord pal could have got his grubby hands on a few body bags as well?

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Thames water about to go just with £14bn of debt. You would have to think this will not affect taxpayers in Scotland?


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i read earlier the boss woman was standing down from her £1.6m salary and she very kindly knocked back her £500k+ bonus recently as well

[cabbageandribs1875]

Surely now he must be downgraded from an Earl to a Viscount, at least.


i just can't believe he lied in the first place

[lapsedhibee]

I'd like to have seen him grilled on the awarding of contracts and choice of suppliers by his department.

Still to come, in a later phase of the enquiry.

[Bostonhibby]

Still to come, in a later phase of the enquiry.[emoji106]

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[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/LordRennard/status/1673811131792519168?t=ZnwxmZgPKLIA6ThbIaqUgA&s=08


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[Stairway 2 7]

Hancock should get done for his help in awarding dodgy contracts. But the WhatsApp leaks show he was probably the one person pushing hardest for restrictions and more testing ect. Boris came out of it an idiot who was quite pro restrictions after he got flattened by it. Sunak and Williamson wanted no restrictions and more thought on the economy

[Stairway 2 7]

Flynn and Starmer battering Sunak. Both using the hold their nerve quote, tories must have been cringing when Sunak said that. Don't think we're in the mood for billionaires telling us to hold our nerve

[Rumble de Thump]

Every Tory leader seems to be worse than the last. What will they come up with next?

[Stairway 2 7]

Some good news. The court of appeal rules the Rwanda policy illegal

[cabbageandribs1875]

Eight Boris Johnson allies named and shamed for 'intimidating' Partygate committee (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/eight-boris-johnson-allies-named-and-shamed-for-intimidating-partygate-committee/ar-AA1dcdl0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3e6aa8032c04452faa3ee88951b559c6&ei=27)

it's what Tories do, especially the big lard o ****e Johnson

Rees-mogg
Dorries
Patel
Fabricant
Clarke-smith
Goldsmith
Jenkyns
Jenkinson
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[grunt]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1166304/An_inspection_of_the_Home_Office_s_operations_to_e ffect_the_removal_of_Foreign_National_Offenders_Oc t_2022_to_Feb_2023.pdf

Report from the Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration


This is no way to run a Government department.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzzZdvRWwAkCYYs?format=png&name=medium

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1674419890994946051?t=YJSe4XDlXgKtoqdzs2rWcA&s=19

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[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/1675219247541174273?t=aYp-UFygnBz_TqGGsm1aXw&s=08

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[Glory Lurker]

https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/1675219247541174273?t=aYp-UFygnBz_TqGGsm1aXw&s=08

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[Bostonhibby]

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[Glory Lurker]

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I was happier in ignorance. What a scene we live in

[Bostonhibby]

I was happier in ignorance. What a scene we live inWorse news update, Twatter seems to be working again. I'd go to bed if I were you[emoji6]

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[degenerated]

Now they're cutting states contribution towards student loans thus reducing the threshold for paying back and extending the pay off period limit from 30 to 40 years.

Whilst commenting on courses that "don't pay their way" he noted that.....

“So it’s great news for the universities largely full of, you know, people who don’t vote for us anyway.”


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-told-meeting-hed-30370275?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

[cabbageandribs1875]

poor Nigel https://www.facebook.com/nobodylikesatory/videos/1512868646122107

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/kwasi-kwarteng-british-shanker-singham-b2367874.html

Thank goodness. Don’t know where we would be without her?


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[Bostonhibby]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/kwasi-kwarteng-british-shanker-singham-b2367874.html

Thank goodness. Don’t know where we would be without her?


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[Mibbes Aye]

Gobsmacked, I can't even think of anything humorous or sarcastic to say.

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26950

[JeMeSouviens]

I was happier in ignorance. What a scene we live in

To be fair, his missus is the one with the real dough, billions not millions, and since it's her old college probably not much to do with the Rishster.

[Bostonhibby]

.
26950Nowhere near as impressive as her singlehandedly saving the free world from Putin's tyranny when she did the photo opportunity commanding Bozo/Rishi's tank somewhere miles away from Ukraine, but I get your drift [emoji16]

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[Smartie]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/kwasi-kwarteng-british-shanker-singham-b2367874.html

Thank goodness. Don’t know where we would be without her?


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Interesting.

I highly recommend the recent episode of Leading from the Rest is Politics chaps with Rachel Haworth as the guest.

She makes the point that continued growth is not sustainable on a planet of finite resource and I was pretty swayed by her arguments.

Unfortunately, and bleakly, neither Stewart nor Campbell could really figure out how her views could find an electable implementation in the present set up even though both were very impressed by her arguments.

It just makes you think, when you go from from someone smart like Haworth putting forward a convincing argument that makes sense, then you end up with an imbecile like Truss with an abysmal track record heading up something that is inevitably going to be idiotic.

[Northernhibee]

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/minister-home-office-staff-paint-over-art-asylum-centre-2451897

This is pure evil. Minister orders home office staff to paint over art aimed to make children feel more welcome at an asylum centre.

Utterly despicable human being and I hope his constituents make him feel just as welcome at the next election and beyond.

[Hibbyradge]

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/minister-home-office-staff-paint-over-art-asylum-centre-2451897

This is pure evil. Minister orders home office staff to paint over art aimed to make children feel more welcome at an asylum centre.

Utterly despicable human being and I hope his constituents make him feel just as welcome at the next election and beyond.

Can you post the text because it's behind a paywall for me.

[Hibrandenburg]

Can you post the text because it's behind a paywall for me.


By Arj Singh
Deputy Political Editor
July 4, 2023 6:00 am(Updated 10:39 am)
Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick told staff at an asylum reception centre to paint over wall art depicting cartoons and animals to provide a “welcoming” atmosphere for children, it has been claimed.

Enver Solomon, CEO of the Refugee Council, said Mr Jenrick gave the order as he visited the Kent asylum intake unit earlier this year.

It was on the same visit that he was said to have urged workers to take down welcome signs with colourful branding, in order to make clear the centre was a “law enforcement environment” and “not a welcome centre”.


On the same visit, Mr Jenrick also complained that pictures on the wall designed for children should be painted over, according to Mr Solomon.

The charity boss told a Refugee Week event hosted by the Wiener Holocaust Library last week that the pictures are designed to put at ease lone children, like two Afghan boys he met at the centre who were “absolutely terrified” following a “horrifying journey” across Europe to the UK via a Channel small boat.

He later told the event the anecdote about Mr Jenrick demanding the wall art be painted over.

Recounting the minister’s visit to i, Mr Solomon said: “The Immigration Minister said pictures of cartoons and animals must be removed and that staff should make sure they are painted over, as they give an impression of welcoming, which Mr Jenrick didn’t want to show.

“This demonstrates that the hostile environment has become so entrenched, that today we have lost sight of humanity.”

It came as Channel crossings set a new record for the month of June, pushing the total for the year to more than 11,000, despite Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s flagship pledge to “stop the boats” and controversial crackdown designed to deter asylum seekers.

In the first six months of 2023, 11,434 people were detected making the journey from France, according to provisional Government figures.


This includes 155 migrants arriving in three boats on Friday, taking the total for June alone to 3,824. This is the highest total for the month of June since records began five years ago, PA news agency analysis of the Home Office data shows.

Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said: “Last month Rishi Sunak claimed crossings were down 20 per cent because his plan was ‘starting to work’, while the home secretary claimed boats would stop from March.

“Time and again the prime minister chases short term headlines instead of doing the hard work needed to tackle the problem.”

It follows fresh setbacks for Mr Sunak’s plan as the House of Lords inflicted another series of defeats on the Government over the Illegal Migration Bill, including on safeguarding unaccompanied children as well as detention time limits, including for pregnant women, and restrictions on deportation destinations for LGBT+ people.

Conservative ex-foreign minister Baroness Sugg was among Mr Sunak’s peers who rebelled on the legislation.

A Home Office spokesman said: “We do all we can to ensure children are safe, secure and supported as we urgently seek placements with a local authority.

“All children receive a welfare interview on their arrival at accommodation, which includes questions designed to identify potential indicators of trafficking or safeguarding issues.

“Our priority is to stop the boats and disrupt the people smugglers. The government has gone further by introducing legislation which will ensure that those people arriving in the UK illegally are detained and promptly removed to their country of origin or a safe third country.

[Northernhibee]

Can you post the text because it's behind a paywall for me.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Finews.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fpolitic s%2Fminister-home-office-staff-paint-over-art-asylum-centre-2451897

Try this

[Hibbyradge]

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Finews.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fpolitic s%2Fminister-home-office-staff-paint-over-art-asylum-centre-2451897

Try this

Nice one 👍

[Mibbes Aye]

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/minister-home-office-staff-paint-over-art-asylum-centre-2451897

This is pure evil. Minister orders home office staff to paint over art aimed to make children feel more welcome at an asylum centre.

Utterly despicable human being and I hope his constituents make him feel just as welcome at the next election and beyond.

He is unapologetically foul. One of the prize squares on my General Election “Tories Out” bingo card. He’s got a decent majority but Labour took the seat for one term in 1997.

[cabbageandribs1875]

this should be interesting, well maybe


Partygate: Police reopen investigation into Tory 'jingle and mingle' event - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66103922)

The Metropolitan Police is reopening an investigation into breaches of Covid regulations at a Christmas gathering at Conservative Party HQ.

A video of the event, where aides were invited to "jingle and mingle", was published by the Sunday Mirror.

Police say they will not investigate alleged gatherings at the prime minister's country home, Chequers, when Boris Johnson was PM.

But they are also now investigating an event in Parliament on 8 December 2020.

no surprise whatsoever with the bit in bold though

[Ozyhibby]

this should be interesting, well maybe


Partygate: Police reopen investigation into Tory 'jingle and mingle' event - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66103922)

The Metropolitan Police is reopening an investigation into breaches of Covid regulations at a Christmas gathering at Conservative Party HQ.

A video of the event, where aides were invited to "jingle and mingle", was published by the Sunday Mirror.

Police say they will not investigate alleged gatherings at the prime minister's country home, Chequers, when Boris Johnson was PM.

But they are also now investigating an event in Parliament on 8 December 2020.

no surprise whatsoever with the bit in bold though



They’ll send another questionnaire. Don’t expect tents.


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[Ozyhibby]

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[Mibbes Aye]

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Chris Bryant was pulling him up about it at liaison committee yesterday. Don’t know if Sky checked it out first or whether Bryant did.

[cabbageandribs1875]

eight week suspension looms for Pincher Byelection likely as Chris Pincher faces suspension over groping claims | House of Commons | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/06/tories-brace-for-tamworth-byelection-after-report-into-chris-pincher-groping-allegations)

[cabbageandribs1875]

They’ll send another questionnaire. Don’t expect tents.


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it's not a Tent needed for Johnson it's some serious jail time


and Hancock
and Mone

[cabbageandribs1875]

such a caring UK Government

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[wookie70]

Ruth Davidson appointed as a Non Exec Director for the SRU. That makes 3 non exec roles and a HOL gigs. Who says nodding towards Westminster doesn't pay. I will struggle to support the Scottish Rugby Team knowing she is one of their board.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ruth Davidson appointed as a Non Exec Director for the SRU. That makes 3 non exec roles and a HOL gigs. Who says nodding towards Westminster doesn't pay. I will struggle to support the Scottish Rugby Team knowing she is one of their board.


i was ragin when she got a non exec role at Royal London, if i could have been arsed i would have withdrawn my pension fund


may still do


vile mouthpiece and a damn hypocrite

Petition · Remove Ruth Davidson from Scottish Rugby Union · Change.org (https://www.change.org/p/remove-ruth-davidson-from-scottish-rugby-union?recruiter=164253129&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=98a29917-6332-4cb4-b63e-e16c6b8130fe&share_bandit_exp=initial-36772854-en-GB&utm_content=fht-36772854-en-gb%3A0)

[Kato]

Ruth Davidson appointed as a Non Exec Director for the SRU. That makes 3 non exec roles and a HOL gigs. Who says nodding towards Westminster doesn't pay. I will struggle to support the Scottish Rugby Team knowing she is one of their board.

The tories love her as she is noisy enough to generate copy for the newspapers that support the tories anyway. Keep her in the public eye so the cycle of noise continues. She's a useless politician and everything that is wrong with that system. More like a game show winner, (see Captain Toms family/Boris Johnson.)

[Lendo]

i was ragin when she got a non exec role at Royal London, if i could have been arsed i would have withdrawn my pension fund


may still do


vile mouthpiece and a damn hypocrite

Petition · Remove Ruth Davidson from Scottish Rugby Union · Change.org (https://www.change.org/p/remove-ruth-davidson-from-scottish-rugby-union?recruiter=164253129&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=98a29917-6332-4cb4-b63e-e16c6b8130fe&share_bandit_exp=initial-36772854-en-GB&utm_content=fht-36772854-en-gb%3A0)

£85,000 for 30 days work a year. Absolutely mental.

[Kato]

Let's go around the block with this spiv again.

https://twitter.com/BCollier2012/status/1677583924871004160?t=I8PTekZNgZJZMnSpu2OS0A&s=09

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[grunt]

Let's go around the block with this spiv again.

https://twitter.com/BCollier2012/status/1677583924871004160?t=I8PTekZNgZJZMnSpu2OS0A&s=09

And yet 25% of Scots voted for the Tories led by this lying liar.

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh wow, George Osbourne, some sordid goings on with that creep as well Amy Wright on Twitter: "Sweet Jesus #TheEmail ������ https://t.co/JSzuo3nx7g" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/QEMrsWright/status/1677223494336016384?fbclid=IwAR2sFZrHSv-MTQxdMVSoQyIXTgpFtf005Cfuo9vwxJvtHxuyKi57huY9L4U)

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1677629497644859392?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

So much for stopping the boats.[emoji23]


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Conservatives on Twitter: "Congratulations to George Osborne on the day of his wedding. It’s exciting to know he has married someone who he gave a 42% pay rise to when he had a pay freeze in place for the civil service. Oh and ‘the email’ that was sent to the wedding guests is nothing. Don’t look it up. https://t.co/UqN7WU6KJG" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/TheBigCons/status/1677315351921434626)


Ian collins on Twitter: "Defrauding the public should have an automatic jail sentence. https://t.co/derRBc831G" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/Iancoll94354676/status/1677379946065575936)

i detest Tories more and more as each day passes

[cabbageandribs1875]

mordaunt will probably get it, the Daily Heil went wild about her carrying a big sword at bugger lugs conthenation, the daily cartoon(Express) like her as well


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[Ozyhibby]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0fitSAWIAI3ac8?format=jpg&name=large

I doubt he makes it to Xmas either. They hate him more than most Labour supporters.


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[Smartie]

I doubt he makes it to Xmas either. They hate him more than most Labour supporters.


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I love that they’re blaming Sunak.

It’s like the team who have awful players, no money, no fans, who have wasted their last umpteen budgets on terrible players and have fired 5 managers in the past year deciding that their new manager is to blame after half a dozen games in charge.

They’ll want Johnson back “because he’s a winner” but they’re basically just feeling the consequences of having to deliver upon his false promises.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/highlands-islands/orkney-council-leader-has-not-spoken-to-scotland-secretary-alister-jack-in-three-years-amid-norway-vote

The viceroy claimed he spoke to the leader of Orkney council, guess what, the leader of Orkney council says they haven't spoken in the 3 years.

[lapsedhibee]

mordaunt will probably get it, the Daily Heil went wild about her carrying a big sword at bugger lugs conthenation, the daily cartoon(Express) like her as well


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0fitSAWIAI3ac8?format=jpg&name=large

Two of life's greatest mysteries.

(1) Why Bannerman is treated as a serious commentator, on anything at all.
(2) Why Frost is treated as a serious commentator, on anything at all.

Indefinitely more baffling than what the purpose of the universe is, and that.

[Stairway 2 7]

I love that they’re blaming Sunak.

It’s like the team who have awful players, no money, no fans, who have wasted their last umpteen budgets on terrible players and have fired 5 managers in the past year deciding that their new manager is to blame after half a dozen games in charge.

They’ll want Johnson back “because he’s a winner” but they’re basically just feeling the consequences of having to deliver upon his false promises.

The analogy only works if the new manager was previously the influential assistant manager who was to blame for the troubles. Sunak speaks at Westminster and blames everything on the economy, ignoring he was about the worst money hungry chancellors we've had. Glad he'll be out. I was delighted boris was bombed as he's a **** bag and a criminal, but I knew he was far to the left than Sunak and his group.

Don't really care who takes over as they will be beaten the polls need to close more than a % per month. It'll never be boris he's toast now

[cabbageandribs1875]

shockerooni Boris Johnson blew £800,000 painting union flag on ANOTHER prime ministerial plane (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-blew-800-000-painting-union-flag-on-another-prime-ministerial-plane/ar-AA1dBUYU?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=29a649b6058e462ca46f8062a88d47e5&ei=10)

[Northernhibee]

I'll be honest, having seen that deepfake Martin Lewis video, I'm terrified about what we might come across at the next election.

[cabbageandribs1875]

David Duguid another immoral Tory cant, putting his BP shares into his wife's name five years before becoming an MP then since 2022 at least four times campaigning against a windfall tax on energy companies like BP, they truly are shameless *****

Wife of Tory MP who criticised windfall tax on oil firms has £50,000 in BP shares (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/wife-of-tory-mp-who-criticised-windfall-tax-on-oil-firms-has-50-000-in-bp-shares/ar-AA1dD3ZE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e0200677fff3425781907d54f999d99a&ei=21)

[Since90+2]

David Duguid another immoral Tory cant, putting his BP shares into his wife's name five years before becoming an MP then since 2022 at least four times campaigning against a windfall tax on energy companies like BP, they truly are shameless *****

Wife of Tory MP who criticised windfall tax on oil firms has £50,000 in BP shares (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/wife-of-tory-mp-who-criticised-windfall-tax-on-oil-firms-has-50-000-in-bp-shares/ar-AA1dD3ZE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e0200677fff3425781907d54f999d99a&ei=21)

That's what the Tories do.

Unfortunately in the Westminster setup the only alternative is a slightly lighter shade of blue, rather than the full blown royal we have at the moment.

[Kato]

David Duguid another immoral Tory cant, putting his BP shares into his wife's name five years before becoming an MP then since 2022 at least four times campaigning against a windfall tax on energy companies like BP, they truly are shameless *****

Wife of Tory MP who criticised windfall tax on oil firms has £50,000 in BP shares (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/wife-of-tory-mp-who-criticised-windfall-tax-on-oil-firms-has-50-000-in-bp-shares/ar-AA1dD3ZE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e0200677fff3425781907d54f999d99a&ei=21)All within the laws they have made up for themselves. I'm sure he's deeply patriotic and loves the King etc etc.

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[lapsedhibee]

UK Government Minister last week:

Andrea Jenkyns MP ����
@andreajenkyns
·
Jul 5
Children suffered enough with their education during lockdown, teachers should put children first and not strike. Why dont they strike during summer holidays when kids wont have to miss lessons! #LabourBackedStrikes

[J-C]

UK Government Minister last week:

Andrea Jenkyns MP ����
@andreajenkyns
·
Jul 5
Children suffered enough with their education during lockdown, teachers should put children first and not strike. Why dont they strike during summer holidays when kids wont have to miss lessons! #LabourBackedStrikes

Not the cleverest eh?

[cabbageandribs1875]

nearly quarter of a million signatures so far Liz Truss should go without an honours list or any other perks! | 38 Degrees (https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/liz-truss-should-go-without-the-pension-or-an-honours-list?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=blast2023-07-10)

We might have just 10 days to stop this! Rumours are Liz Truss's resignation honours list could be released just before Parliament breaks up for the summer. [1] It’s a scandal. While millions are battling rising mortgage interest rates - that she helped cause - Liz Truss is still set to get all the perks of being Prime Minister despite only holding the role for 7 weeks. [2]

Rishi Sunak approved Boris Johnson’s honours list, which led to a huge public backlash. But it looks like he’s not learnt his lesson and could rubber stamp Truss’s list as soon as next week. [3] And reports suggest it includes a number of her closest friends and Conservative party donors who would be awarded a place in the House of Lords for life. [4]

[cabbageandribs1875]

'The real scandals in the email diary of George Osborne, aged 52 and a quarter' - Fleet Street Fox - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/real-scandal-george-osborne-email-30413447?fbclid=IwAR1J7YiycWFDMceh9bjPyFdh337_fLsi y9QIMHwHzIB2mGp-CzfZjfmvJ1Y)

[Jones28]

They just lie constantly, they cannot help but lie.

The health minister here, despite being faced with ACTUAL NUMBERS just lies through it.

They're pathetic.

https://twitter.com/RoshanaMN/status/1678336014648066048?s=20

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Jones28]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/358415729_969271301125079_5317287117458256005_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Oj5a-_3CZvUAX-ss3R2&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfCAbuC3l6zvyucuJZqdiFGzQelf-k6X2p2gVGxNlOOedg&oe=64B2A81C

His GB News show has lost 50% of its audience.

Whats even more harrowing is that 50% are still watching the ****.

[Jack]

His GB News show has lost 50% of its audience.

Whats even more harrowing is that 50% are still watching the ****.

His mother will still be watching 😀

[cabbageandribs1875]

Johnson's wee Groupie just can't accept things huh

Nadine Dorries referred to authorities over messages to officials - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66178892)

Nadine Dorries has been referred to the Conservative chief whip by the UK's top civil servant over claims she sent "forceful" messages to officials.


The Mid Bedfordshire MP announced she would be standing down as an MP just before former PM Boris Johnson's resignation honours list was unveiled.

[cabbageandribs1875]

His GB News show has lost 50% of its audience.

Whats even more harrowing is that 50% are still watching the ****.


it's quite surreal what the Tory party has done to UK politics the last several years and i don't think it will ever recover, people now want to be a politician to feather their nest and be a lobbyist for various business, they couldn't give a stuff about constituents until each election time comes around.

[Kato]

it's quite surreal what the Tory party has done to UK politics the last several years and i don't think it will ever recover, people now want to be a politician to feather their nest and be a lobbyist for various business, they couldn't give a stuff about constituents until each election time comes around.

It's not surreal at all. It's totally banal. The drip feeding of racism from the rags is just a short fuse, all the whipped up "rage" and "fury" and waving a flag in people's faces is means to blow that fuse. Call them whatever, far right/fascists, every single one person of that leaning has always been profiteering grifter from Benito to Rees-Mogg. Keep the people stupid, keep them angry - Bob's yer uncle.

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[grunt]

Rishi is having a BBQ in the 10 Downing St. Rose Garden for all the filthy criminal Tory MPs - a sort of Goodfellas team building event.
On the other side of the wall, Steve Bray is having his own party ...

https://twitter.com/snb19692/status/1679174710016327693?s=20

https://twitter.com/snb19692/status/1679206142914752523?s=20

[Stairway 2 7]

Tories announce pay rises, problem is the money is to come from existing budgets which will cause pain elsewhere

HugoGye
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Chief secretary to the Treasury John Glen tells the Commons: "We said we would accept the outcome of the public-sector pay review bodies, and that is exactly what we will do."

7% uplift for police
6% for doctors (plus £1,250 bonus)
6.5% for teachers
5% for troops (and £1k bonus)

Glen claims the teachers' pay increase will be "fully funded" by reprioritising within the DfE budget

Glen: "There will be no new borrowing or spending to fund the awards" - that would fuel inflation, he says.

Will be paid for though "greater efficiency and reprioritisation" as well as existing provision for pay increases from last spending review



Joint statement from Sunak, Keegan and union leaders: "This deal will allow teachers and school leaders to call off strike action and resume normal relations with government."

[Stairway 2 7]

Tories announce pay rises, problem is the money is to come from existing budgets which will cause pain elsewhere

HugoGye
·
9m
Chief secretary to the Treasury John Glen tells the Commons: "We said we would accept the outcome of the public-sector pay review bodies, and that is exactly what we will do."

7% uplift for police
6% for doctors (plus £1,250 bonus)
6.5% for teachers
5% for troops (and £1k bonus)

Glen claims the teachers' pay increase will be "fully funded" by reprioritising within the DfE budget

Glen: "There will be no new borrowing or spending to fund the awards" - that would fuel inflation, he says.

Will be paid for though "greater efficiency and reprioritisation" as well as existing provision for pay increases from last spending review



Joint statement from Sunak, Keegan and union leaders: "This deal will allow teachers and school leaders to call off strike action and resume normal relations with government."

The £1,250 to doctors isn't a one off its a yearly increase. England's offer to junior doctors is above Scotlands now, I wonder if it will force Scotland to increase our offer.

DevanSinha
UK govt accepted DDRB recommendation of 6% pay rise for doctors (not consultants or SAS) in 2023/24 + backdated and consolidated £1,250 uplift for 2022/23.

Changes should mean pay:

FY1 ⬆️ 10.5%
FY2 ⬆️ 9.9%
IMT/CT/ST1-2 ⬆️ 9.3%
ST3-5 ⬆️ 8.6%
ST6+ ⬆️ 8.3%

[Ozyhibby]

The £1,250 to doctors isn't a one off its a yearly increase. England's offer to junior doctors is above Scotlands now, I wonder if it will force Scotland to increase our offer.

DevanSinha
UK govt accepted DDRB recommendation of 6% pay rise for doctors (not consultants or SAS) in 2023/24 + backdated and consolidated £1,250 uplift for 2022/23.

Changes should mean pay:

FY1 [emoji3595] 10.5%
FY2 [emoji3595] 9.9%
IMT/CT/ST1-2 [emoji3595] 9.3%
ST3-5 [emoji3595] 8.6%
ST6+ [emoji3595] 8.3%

Pretty sure Scottish docs still get paid more?


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://news-sky-com/story/amp/illegal-migration-bill-is-heading-for-parliamentary-ping-pong-could-the-government-make-more-concessions-12919520



I'm confused, if everyone knows that the migration bill is illegal, every news outlet calls it illegal, why is the UK government still pushing ahead with it? 🤔

[Moulin Yarns]

Tories announce pay rises, problem is the money is to come from existing budgets which will cause pain elsewhere

HugoGye
·
9m
Chief secretary to the Treasury John Glen tells the Commons: "We said we would accept the outcome of the public-sector pay review bodies, and that is exactly what we will do."

7% uplift for police
6% for doctors (plus £1,250 bonus)
6.5% for teachers
5% for troops (and £1k bonus)

Glen claims the teachers' pay increase will be "fully funded" by reprioritising within the DfE budget

Glen: "There will be no new borrowing or spending to fund the awards" - that would fuel inflation, he says.

Will be paid for though "greater efficiency and reprioritisation" as well as existing provision for pay increases from last spending review



Joint statement from Sunak, Keegan and union leaders: "This deal will allow teachers and school leaders to call off strike action and resume normal relations with government."




Millions of public sector workers, including teachers, police and junior doctors are to get pay rises between 5%-7%, the government says.

Police and prison officers will receive a 7% pay rise, while teachers and junior doctors will get a 6.5% and 6% rise respectively.




I'm going to hazard a guess that's a real term reduction based on historic pay levels from 10 years ago 🤔

[Hibbyradge]

https://news-sky-com/story/amp/illegal-migration-bill-is-heading-for-parliamentary-ping-pong-could-the-government-make-more-concessions-12919520



I'm confused, if everyone knows that the migration bill is illegal, every news outlet calls it illegal, why is the UK government still pushing ahead with it? 🤔

That's a joke right?

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm going to hazard a guess that's a real term reduction based on historic pay levels from 10 years ago 🤔

Its a massive reduction. Public sector wages are down around 25%. Both Scotland and England offers are bellow inflation so it will be higher than 25% next year

[Moulin Yarns]

That's a joke right?

👍 Just the way it's written 😁 the illegal migration bill, could mean the migration bill is illegal.

[Moulin Yarns]

Its a massive reduction. Public sector wages are down around 25%. Both Scotland and England offers are bellow inflation so it will be higher than 25% next year

Aye, 30 years in local government and I don't think I ever had above inflation pay rise. Pay rose as a result of pay scales until you hit the ceiling or managed to get promoted.

[Hibbyradge]

👍 Just the way it's written 😁 the illegal migration bill, could mean the migration bill is illegal.

I'll let you off! 😃

[Just Alf]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/13/boris-johnson-has-forgotten-passcode-for-phone-wanted-by-covid-inquiry?CMP=share_btn_link

:rofl:

[Stairway 2 7]

Pretty sure Scottish docs still get paid more?


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I don't think they do after tax, although won't have student debts.

It's about how much of a pay cut is acceptable to doctors after 12 years of cuts. Scottish junior doctors will now face larger pay cuts than England in real terms, I doubt they will accept that.

Bma saying English doctors should reject
@Smyth_Chris
BMA head Phil Banfield rejects Sunak's pay deal

Calls it "yet another pay cut in real terms" and says PM "missed a huge opportunity to put a credible proposal on the table"

As well as junior doctors, consultants "are likely to continue to take industrial action", he says

[Ozyhibby]

I don't think they do after tax, although won't have student debts.

It's about how much of a pay cut is acceptable to doctors after 12 years of cuts. Scottish junior doctors will now face larger pay cuts than England in real terms, I doubt they will accept that.

Bma saying English doctors should reject
@Smyth_Chris
BMA head Phil Banfield rejects Sunak's pay deal

Calls it "yet another pay cut in real terms" and says PM "missed a huge opportunity to put a credible proposal on the table"

As well as junior doctors, consultants "are likely to continue to take industrial action", he says

Difficult to compare after tax due to all the extras that tax in Scotland pays for.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Difficult to compare after tax due to all the extras that tax in Scotland pays for.


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Yes although higher earners don't usually see it like that. Although England's higher offer would take Englands junior doctors above ours pre tax, I think it will force Scot gov to have to offer more

[J-C]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/13/boris-johnson-has-forgotten-passcode-for-phone-wanted-by-covid-inquiry?CMP=share_btn_link

:rofl:


Hand it in to the nearest high street phone tec shop, they'll open it in minutes.

[Andy Bee]

Yes although higher earners don't usually see it like that. Although England's higher offer would take Englands junior doctors above ours pre tax, I think it will force Scot gov to have to offer more

Am I missing something as I thought Scottish junior doctors are being offered 12.4% backdated to April 2023 and rises matching inflation at the very least with a negotiated rise on top for the next 3 years as a commitment for pay restoration. English doctors are being offered around 6%? The tax implications aren't that different cross border e.g. up to the Scottish threshold of £43k there's around £150 - £200 PA of a difference. Over the threshold and it's around £1500 on a £50k salary but if the pay offers are as above then Scottish doctors would be better off. Not to mention there's a commitment for pay restoration from the SG over the next few years.

[Ozyhibby]

Am I missing something as I thought Scottish junior doctors are being offered 12.4% backdated to April 2023 and rises matching inflation at the very least with a negotiated rise on top for the next 2 years as a commitment for pay restoration. English doctors are being offered around 6%? The tax implications aren't that different cross border e.g. up to the Scottish threshold of £43k there's around £150 - £200 PA of a difference. Over the threshold and it's around £1500 on a £50k salary but if the pay offers are as above then Scottish doctors would be better off. Not to mention there's a commitment for pay restoration from the SG over the next few years.

And no tuition fee loans to pay back.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/conor_matchett/status/1679542524401049625?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Andy Bee]

And no tuition fee loans to pay back.


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And no parking charges for hospital staff which equates to, on average in England, £1000 a year.

[grunt]

And no parking charges for hospital staff which equates to, on average in England, £1000 a year.That'll be £1,000 after tax. So equivalent to somewhere around £1,400 on a gross salary?

[cabbageandribs1875]

there's really no shame to this thing is there

Nadine Dorries ‘asked to go on Liz Truss’s honours list’ after being bumped off Boris Johnson’s (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nadine-dorries-asked-to-go-on-liz-truss-s-honours-list-after-being-bumped-off-boris-johnson-s/ar-AA1dPkTB?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ce266fd7cf2440188f8052abd15dc4db&ei=57)

[Ozyhibby]

Doctor’s rep on Sky news just now saying they are still going to strike. Also mentions how much better doctors have it in Scotland. [emoji106]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Am I missing something as I thought Scottish junior doctors are being offered 12.4% backdated to April 2023 and rises matching inflation at the very least with a negotiated rise on top for the next 3 years as a commitment for pay restoration. English doctors are being offered around 6%? The tax implications aren't that different cross border e.g. up to the Scottish threshold of £43k there's around £150 - £200 PA of a difference. Over the threshold and it's around £1500 on a £50k salary but if the pay offers are as above then Scottish doctors would be better off. Not to mention there's a commitment for pay restoration from the SG over the next few years.

Your missing the 12.4 is for 23/24 and 4.5 for 22/23 so 17.5% over 2 years 8.75 per year, a decent pay cut each year on a wage that's went down 25%.

English getting offered 6% plus 1200 per year so works out at 10.5 for junior and 8.3 for highest, backdated last year also. BMA wanting 35% which I'm sure they won't get

FY1 10.5%
FY2 9.9%
IMT/CT/ST1-2 9.3%
ST3-5 8.6%
ST6+ 8.3%

[grunt]

Doctor’s rep on Sky news just now saying they are still going to strike. Also mentions how much better doctors have it in Scotland. [emoji106]


That can't be right, NHS Scotland is crap, apparently.

[Ozyhibby]

That can't be right, NHS Scotland is crap, apparently.

Glad he said it because if you only watched BBC you’d think that doctors were on strike in Scotland as well.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Lest we forget when Scotland was offering doctors 4.5% I was on here saying that's terrible. I had about 10 people backing the government's offer saying to me where does the money come from, its better than some are getting, what would I cut to let doctors have more.

I said I bet they get more and you have to prioritize the budget with most important things first and NHS wages should be top of the list.

[Glory Lurker]

Are we allowed to compare Scotland to other places? Can't keep up.

[Glory Lurker]

Lest we forget when Scotland was offering doctors 4.5% I was on here saying that's terrible. I had about 10 people backing the government's offer saying to me where does the money come from, its better than some are getting, what would I cut to let doctors have more.

I said I bet they get more and you have to prioritize the budget with most important things first and NHS wages should be top of the list.

Have you any idea what has been cut though?

[Jack]

Lest we forget when Scotland was offering doctors 4.5% I was on here saying that's terrible. I had about 10 people backing the government's offer saying to me where does the money come from, its better than some are getting, what would I cut to let doctors have more.

I said I bet they get more and you have to prioritize the budget with most important things first and NHS wages should be top of the list.

It's hard to keep up. Did you not say the same about teachers?

And then there's the bin operatives and all the other central and local government workers who we have found over the last few years grease the cogs of what we like to think is civilization? It's OK for them to lose what they have as a quality of life?

[Stairway 2 7]

It's hard to keep up. Did you not say the same about teachers?

And then there's the bin operatives and all the other central and local government workers who we have found over the last few years grease the cogs of what we like to think is civilization? It's OK for them to lose what they have as a quality of life?

Eh what. I said the same about all public sector workers its disgusting what's happened to them, scot gov andthe unions are to blame. The Scottish budget has risen with inflation in 12 years but public sector wages have dropped by 25%. Its systematic.

If they could afford to pay them it 12 years ago they can now, they have chosen to cut public sector workers wages.

Some SNP supporters in a spin don't take the blame for them being cut 25%, pile on praise for another cut an under inflation 8.5%.

[Stairway 2 7]

Are we allowed to compare Scotland to other places? Can't keep up.

The tactics is if something is bad or worse than England blame England no our fault, if its good that's all on us.

Some people think comparing ourselves to the most evil useless government in living memory down south isn't good enough.