Tories are still lying *******s

[Stairway 2 7]

The Blair Thatcher quote originated from a Dorset tory who said he'd heard Thatcher saying it once

[Kato]

The Blair Thatcher quote originated from a Dorset tory who said he'd heard Thatcher saying it onceShe also followed up with an oblique reference to it once at one of her later appearences at a Tory Party conference, while still have a dig at them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E4naRzjNkEA

at 40secs

I don't see what is controversial, New Labour dropped the pretence at being socialist and adopted a Tory Party outlook to the economy ie neo-liberalism/moneterism. Thatcher saw that as making their opponents shift to the right. Its not as though New Labour were seeking to put the means of production into the hands of the proletariat, unless I missed that bit.

https://economicsociology.org/2018/03/19/thatcherisms-greatest-achievement/

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[Kato]

https://goodlawproject.org/revealed-the-tories-are-still-receiving-funds-from-russia-linked-donors/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=DarkMoney110423&utm_medium=social%20media

Revealed: The Tories are still receiving funds from Russia-linked donorsNothing to see here. Unless they've all bought campervans for their mums.

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[Stairway 2 7]

She also followed up with an oblique reference to it once at one of her later appearences at a Tory Party conference, while still have a dig at them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E4naRzjNkEA

at 40secs

I don't see what is controversial, New Labour dropped the pretence at being socialist and adopted a Tory Party outlook to the economy ie neo-liberalism/moneterism. Thatcher saw that as making their opponents shift to the right. Its not as though New Labour were seeking to put the means of production into the hands of the proletariat, unless I missed that bit.

https://economicsociology.org/2018/03/19/thatcherisms-greatest-achievement/

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Tried but stopped listening as I wanted to punch my phone.

I'm no fan of new Labour they were centrist iraqi killing ball bags, but a world away from the tories. They brought 600,000 out of poverty, since 2012 the number of kids in poverty has increased by 900,000. No other figures are needed and if someone is not bothered who wins in the uk election, those children will be

[Kato]

Tried but stopped listening as I wanted to punch my phone.

I'm no fan of new Labour they were centrist iraqi killing ball bags, but a world away from the tories. They brought 600,000 out of poverty, since 2012 the number of kids in poverty has increased by 900,000. No other figures are needed and if someone is not bothered who wins in the uk election, those children will beI've no doubt any future Labour govt would have better intentions than the current Govt.

A New Labour style sticking plaster which is easily ripped off the wounds doesn't work though. The radical decline of the UK needs radical repairs not covering over. Let's see what they have to offer.

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[TrumpIsAPeado]

The radical decline of the UK needs radical repairs not covering over.

This is where I'm at as well. The UK requires life changing policies, not more of the same policies with a different spin put on them.

[archie]

This is where I'm at as well. The UK requires life changing policies, not more of the same policies with a different spin put on them.

What like?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

What like?

For starters, I'd like to see the legislation put in place by the tories that allow them to supersede court decisions reversed. I'd also like to see a reversal of their anti-protest bill and their anti-strike bill. The Rwanda policy needs to be flushed down the toilet as well.

I don't however trust Keir Starmer (assuming he gets into power) to do these things. I suspect he'll either do nothing and hope the public have forgotten that these bills are in place or he'll replace the bills with bills under a different name with a few ultimately meaningless tweaks.

[grunt]

What like?The UK needs to rejoin the EU.

[archie]

The UK needs to rejoin the EU.

I agree. But I would want to understand the terms of joining. In the interim I would want the UKG to initiate discussion on deals to ameliorate some of the most pressing problems.

[grunt]

These ****ing Tories. Even Russia will have better growth in 2023 than the UK. And Russia is at war and subject to global sanctions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65240749


The UK is set to be one of the worst performing major economies in the world this year, according to a forecast.
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) says the UK economy's performance in 2023 will be the worst among the 20 biggest economies, known as the G20, which includes sanctions-hit Russia.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10998/production/_129329976_microsoftteams-image.png.webp

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/world/welsh-councillor-andrew-edwards-allegedly-said-white-people-should-own-black-slaves


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that's some battering the Tories could take


https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/340916076_772207594211741_6154082150884548278_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=LoUcnYobTTgAX_xA1Cz&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfARsrw5J-iewGGK9EhnXkZ-o1IjgX0ByxfbyrEl3SQ9eQ&oe=643C03C5

[Kato]

that's some battering the Tories could take


https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/340916076_772207594211741_6154082150884548278_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=LoUcnYobTTgAX_xA1Cz&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfARsrw5J-iewGGK9EhnXkZ-o1IjgX0ByxfbyrEl3SQ9eQ&oe=643C03C5Not good enough. Hopefully a switched on electorate tactically vote them into oblivion.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Not good enough. Hopefully a switched on electorate tactically vote them into oblivion.

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will be interesting six months before the election and the sweeteners start getting drip-fed

[Kato]

will be interesting six months before the election and the sweeteners start getting drip-fedMugs fall for that sadly. Hopefully a bit more savvy given what they have done to the country.

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[grunt]

that's some battering the Tories could take


https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/340916076_772207594211741_6154082150884548278_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=LoUcnYobTTgAX_xA1Cz&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfARsrw5J-iewGGK9EhnXkZ-o1IjgX0ByxfbyrEl3SQ9eQ&oe=643C03C5This can't possibly be right. An increase in SNP seats at Westminster? The SNP are in disarray, the party is about to collapse.

[JeMeSouviens]

This can't possibly be right. An increase in SNP seats at Westminster? The SNP are in disarray, the party is about to collapse.

It's probably based on UK wide polls. Based on current Scotland only polls, expect the SNP to lose somewhere in the 10-20 seat range to Labour. It doesn't take much of a swing for that to get a lot worse but it doesn't take a huge revival to fend them off. There's a load of pretty marginal marginals.

[hibsbollah]

It’s also important to remember that until as recently as 7 months ago, the Labour lead nationally was a fairly narrow 5-6 points, it’s only since the post Truss ‘erchie falling out of the world’ period that the lead has grown to 15+, although even now it’s been narrowing for a few months. The Tories can delay the new GE until January 2025 if they want to, that’s 21 MONTHS away. The whole political environment could be different by then. So much to factor in, the economy, food prices, more climate mayhem in an El Niño year affecting food and energy supplies, Ukraine.

[neil7908]

It’s also important to remember that until as recently as 7 months ago, the Labour lead nationally was a fairly narrow 5-6 points, it’s only since the post Truss ‘erchie falling out of the world’ period that the lead has grown to 15+, although even now it’s been narrowing for a few months. The Tories can delay the new GE until January 2025 if they want to, that’s 21 MONTHS away. The whole political environment could be different by then. So much to factor in, the economy, food prices, more climate mayhem in an El Niño year affecting food and energy supplies, Ukraine.

Yup. Its going to be bad 2023 economically and on cost of living, and that is looking like it'll eat into 2024 as well.

However, by mid 2024 things will probably on the up. No sane person should forget the terrible damage the Tories have done but voters appear to have short memories.

And the press will be talking about a growing economy, Britain booming, Brexit unleashed etc.

Basically they have taken us to rock bottom, meaning the only way is up. And that will be spun as a success.

Throw in a load of culture war stuff around refugees, trans rights etc, and the right wing media will be right back on their side, with the whole Boris and Truss disasters forgotten.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

It's probably based on UK wide polls. Based on current Scotland only polls, expect the SNP to lose somewhere in the 10-20 seat range to Labour. It doesn't take much of a swing for that to get a lot worse but it doesn't take a huge revival to fend them off. There's a load of pretty marginal marginals.

With Douglas Ross and Anas Sarwar in tactical calibration, the SNP are much more likely to lose seats than anything else.

[hibsbollah]

With Douglas Ross and Anas Sarwar in tactical calibration, the SNP are much more likely to lose seats than anything else.

‘Calibrated’ suggests that they are deliberately set to each other. I think that’s wrong. Labour and Tories in Scotland will be competing for non Indy votes, they’re not calibrated at all. I’m with you that I want Labour to be focussed on an anti Blue not anti Yellow agenda (Steady! Here we go with the colours again), but I don’t think you should overegg your pudding here :greengrin

If the SNP loses votes, it’s because they have lost the iron tight internal discipline as a result of a messy leadership change, or the public perceives they aren’t managing key services properly.

[archie]

‘Calibrated’ suggests that they are deliberately set to each other. I think that’s wrong. Labour and Tories in Scotland will be competing for non Indy votes, they’re not calibrated at all. I’m with you that I want Labour to be focussed on an anti Blue not anti Yellow agenda (Steady! Here we go with the colours again), but I don’t think you should overegg your pudding here :greengrin

If the SNP loses votes, it’s because they have lost the iron tight internal discipline as a result of a messy leadership change, or the public perceives they aren’t managing key services properly.

Genuine question. Do commentators here think that one of the issues around the recent SNP leadership contest is that it made public competing visions of what Scotland might look like, rather than the singular 'progressive' vision that has dominated in recent years? And might that have an impact?

[Just Alf]

Genuine question. Do commentators here think that one of the issues around the recent SNP leadership contest is that it made public competing visions of what Scotland might look like, rather than the singular 'progressive' vision that has dominated in recent years? And might that have an impact?Good question, replied on the SNP thread as feels better discussed there?

[archie]

Good question, replied on the SNP thread as feels better discussed there?

Good call.

[Stairway 2 7]

Someone has started a gofundme to get a new hovercraft for the chanel for the rnli, their hoping to call it the flying Farage. Almost at its 250k goal

https://mobile.twitter.com/simonharris_mbd/status/1646149547574407168

[TrumpIsAPeado]

‘Calibrated’ suggests that they are deliberately set to each other. I think that’s wrong. Labour and Tories in Scotland will be competing for non Indy votes, they’re not calibrated at all. I’m with you that I want Labour to be focussed on an anti Blue not anti Yellow agenda (Steady! Here we go with the colours again), but I don’t think you should overegg your pudding here :greengrin

If the SNP loses votes, it’s because they have lost the iron tight internal discipline as a result of a messy leadership change, or the public perceives they aren’t managing key services properly.

I really wish I was overegging my pudding here.
https://news.sky.com/video/scottish-tory-leader-suggests-scots-should-vote-labour-to-oust-snp-12853647

I agree that any losses in vote share for the SNP will be strictly down to the SNP and how they've handled recent affairs. However, if their vote share remains relatively unscathed, but they still ultimately end up losing 20+ seats, then it will be down to tactical voting between Labour, the tories and possibly the Lib Dems as well, taking advantage of the FPTP system.

[hibsbollah]

I really wish I was overegging my pudding here.
https://news.sky.com/video/scottish-tory-leader-suggests-scots-should-vote-labour-to-oust-snp-12853647

I agree that any losses in vote share for the SNP will be strictly down to the SNP and how they've handled recent affairs. However, if their vote share remains relatively unscathed, but they still ultimately end up losing 20+ seats, then it will be down to tactical voting between Labour, the tories and possibly the Lib Dems as well, taking advantage of the FPTP system.

In practice, all parties will say pretty much the same thing; ‘Vote for Me always, unless there is no chance of Me winning in the current voting system, in which case vote the least worst option’. That’s not the same as saying they’re calibrated.

I think the saddest thing is in many situations Labour politicians in Scotland DO appear to think that the Tories are the ‘least worst’ option. That’s total anathema to me, but politics is essentially, just about the exercise of power.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

In practice, all parties will say pretty much the same thing; ‘Vote for Me always, unless there is no chance of Me winning in the current voting system, in which case vote the least worst option’. That’s not the same as saying they’re calibrated.

I think the saddest thing is in many situations Labour politicians in Scotland DO appear to think that the Tories are the ‘least worst’ option. That’s total anathema to me, but politics is essentially, just about the exercise of power.

It would seem to me that the tories likely aren't projecting to win any seats in Scotland in 2024 (with perhaps the exception of Dumfries & Galloway). Although it may not be referred to as a "collaboration" in the official sense, it's hard to see Douglas Ross telling Conservative voters in Scotland to vote for Labour, unless there has be some kind of chat with Labour behind the scenes. As far as I'm aware, Rishi Sunak hasn't pulled Douglas Ross up for making that suggestion either, which further fuels my suspicion that there have been cross party talks about the best way to oust the SNP in Scotland behind the scenes.

[Ozyhibby]

It would seem to me that the tories likely aren't projecting to win any seats in Scotland in 2024 (with perhaps the exception of Dumfries & Galloway). Although it may not be referred to as a "collaboration" in the official sense, it's hard to see Douglas Ross telling Conservative voters in Scotland to vote for Labour, unless there has be some kind of chat with Labour behind the scenes. As far as I'm aware, Rishi Sunak hasn't pulled Douglas Ross up for making that suggestion either, which further fuels my suspicion that there have been cross party talks about the best way to oust the SNP in Scotland behind the scenes.

He should have lost his job over it. It’s against party rules. But I’m sure it was quietly given the nod at head office in London followed by a mild rebuke afterwards.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

He should have lost his job over it. It’s against party rules. But I’m sure it was quietly given the nod at head office in London followed by a mild rebuke afterwards.


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I agree. But party rules only apply until they don't. All the mainline parties are guilty of breaking their own rules at times. I suppose they would argue that they are "guidelines" as opposed to definitive rules, which gives them a workaround when it suits them to break them.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1647148180000374787?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Don’t write off the Tories. This would be popular even with people it didn’t benefit. Unfortunately.


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[grunt]

https://archive.is/85ACH


MSP apologises after suggesting trans people have learning difficulties

[cabbageandribs1875]

COFFEY BOGS - The sign was accompanied by a new blue plaque, which reads: "Servicing the water industry. Therese Coffey. Sort of a Dr, but not really. Emptying your toilet into our rivers, creeks and Suffolk coastline. Praise Be."

The sign is believed to have been the work of Campaign Chorus, a group of activists fighting sewage releases into rivers & waterways.


https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/336538991_1993428417662146_5279983380456845469_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=pmC5TEW5HfUAX9DA_jF&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfAkR-6j5Ix2IlH7EUTntn0C--hAqPwSWQwgxrHlooSOPQ&oe=64410A17


oops, this should maybe be in the Brexit Bonus thread

[grunt]

Take a short break from getting angry at the SNP for some manufactured grievance, and read this article.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-ppe-storage-still-costs-taxpayers-580-000-a-day-new-figures-reveal-12859148


COVID-19: PPE storage still costs taxpayers £580,000 a day, new figures revealThat's £580k, every day, for storage of excess PPE.

[Kato]

Take a short break from getting angry at the SNP for some manufactured grievance, and read this article.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-ppe-storage-still-costs-taxpayers-580-000-a-day-new-figures-reveal-12859148

That's £580k, every day, for storage of excess PPE.You won't get a peep mate.

Cos Sturgeon should be jail blah, blah, blah.

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[grunt]

Rishi going down a storm with his audience hanging on every word at his speech today

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1647904666221510659?s=20

[Stairway 2 7]

You won't get a peep mate.

Cos Sturgeon should be jail blah, blah, blah.

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How are they connected. If anything it proves further that most politicians are charlatans, whataboutary is boring.

Although in saying that this story confuses me. They obviously ordered more than was needed, so can they not sell or dispose of it.

[Smartie]

How are they connected. If anything it proves further that most politicians are charlatans, whataboutary is boring.

Although in saying that this story confuses me. They obviously ordered more than was needed, so can they not sell or dispose of it.

It does seem weird.

I'd imagine most of it won't need special storage conditions, so why haven't we shipped it over here and stored it here? Surely we could create adequate storage conditions for a better price than that?

[grunt]

They obviously ordered more than was needed, so can they not sell or dispose of it.
It's much worse than that, much of what was delivered was unusable. But in their haste to give multi-million pounds contracts to their friends and donors, awarding contracts to companies which had never supplied PPE before, some companies which had only been set up days prior to the contract being awarded, the Tories failed to ensure that we could get the country's money back in the event of non-performance.

The Tory PPE scandal dwarfs the ferries contracts in scale of corruption and loss to the public purse.

[Kato]

How are they connected. If anything it proves further that most politicians are charlatans, whataboutary is boring.

Although in saying that this story confuses me. They obviously ordered more than was needed, so can they not sell or dispose of it.The connection is the way the stories are being presented given the proportion of money and scandal involved.

The PPE is being stored until it is incinerated. It is being incinerated because its useless and doesn't have any value.

We (us, our tax) paid billions of pounds illegally to friends of Tory Party ministers for nothing but useless pieces of rubber and plastic and we are still paying a third of a billion a year to store while it waits to get destroyed.

The SNP's internal skullduggery is a story about what has happened to a part £600,000.

Both stories deserve scrutiny but there is very little coverage and very little scrutiny from either the press or TV on the PPE scandal.

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[Stairway 2 7]

I must have read about 30 articles about ppe and dodgy contracts it's been everywhere. Thing is people generally don't think of covid anymore so news moves on.

There's 3 or 4 subjects getting merged into one here. Where does it say this ppe is defective and going to be destroyed, there was defective ppe but I don't think this in storage is, has that just been added.

There was an unprecedented bidding war for ppe we clearly bought too much but I don't think that is anyone's fault, same goes for most of the defective stuff no.

What needs prosecuting is contracts to tory friends and donors, I doubt it will sadly.

The tories are **** and dodgy that isn't news, for most of the public thought they are fed up of the SNP constantly saying why are you complaining about us were not as bad as the Tories. Of course they aren't as bad as the tories but the self implosion is still big news and deserves covered as such

[Stairway 2 7]

Rishi under investigation again from parliamentary standards officers due to not declaring an interest

https://mobile.twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1647929857504956417

[Kato]

I must have read about 30 articles about ppe and dodgy contracts it's been everywhere. Thing is people generally don't think of covid anymore so news moves on.

There's 3 or 4 subjects getting merged into one here. Where does it say this ppe is defective and going to be destroyed, there was defective ppe but I don't think this in storage is, has that just been added.

There was an unprecedented bidding war for ppe we clearly bought too much but I don't think that is anyone's fault, same goes for most of the defective stuff no.

What needs prosecuting is contracts to tory friends and donors, I doubt it will sadly.

The tories are **** and dodgy that isn't news, for most of the public thought they are fed up of the SNP constantly saying why are you complaining about us were not as bad as the Tories. Of course they aren't as bad as the tories but the self implosion is still big news and deserves covered as suchOk. Let's just forget the Billions of pounds stolen.



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[Rumble de Thump]

I must have read about 30 articles about ppe and dodgy contracts it's been everywhere. Thing is people generally don't think of covid anymore so news moves on.

There's 3 or 4 subjects getting merged into one here. Where does it say this ppe is defective and going to be destroyed, there was defective ppe but I don't think this in storage is, has that just been added.

There was an unprecedented bidding war for ppe we clearly bought too much but I don't think that is anyone's fault, same goes for most of the defective stuff no.

What needs prosecuting is contracts to tory friends and donors, I doubt it will sadly.

The tories are **** and dodgy that isn't news, for most of the public thought they are fed up of the SNP constantly saying why are you complaining about us were not as bad as the Tories. Of course they aren't as bad as the tories but the self implosion is still big news and deserves covered as such

Unfortunately, there are politicians, members of the media and plenty other members of the public who have been trying to convince everyone for a long time that the SNP are actually very much worse than the Tories. It's so clearly untrue and out of touch with reality it's difficult to understand why these people constantly try to gaslight everyone with it, but there certainly is a willing audience who will desperately accept it and share it as fact rather than completely outrageous lies.

[grunt]

There was an unprecedented bidding war for ppe we clearly bought too much but I don't think that is anyone's fault, same goes for most of the defective stuff no.:faf:

[Stairway 2 7]

Ok. Let's just forget the Billions of pounds stolen.



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I said prosecute them personally in the thing you've just quoted

[Stairway 2 7]

:faf:

Who's fault is it for buying too much. We didn't know how long it would last, if vaccines would work or if it would mutate. Surely we had to be prepared for if vaccines didn't work.

Probably why you shouldn't group it in with the real scandal of contracts being awarded to companies with links to the Tories for example

[Ozyhibby]

I see Rishi is under investigation now. Will Tories be calling for his suspension from the party the way they have been NS these last couple of weeks?


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[grunt]

Who's fault is it for buying too much. We didn't know how long it would last, if vaccines would work or if it would mutate. Surely we had to be prepared for if vaccines didn't work.
You're very generous in your excusing the Tories for the PPE scandal. Here's the DHSC report on PPE (from February 2022, so a year out of date). At that time the Tory Government reported write downs of:


£0.67 billion - "PPE which cannot be used, for instance because it is defective."

£2.6 billion - "PPE which is not suitable for use within the health and social care sector but which the Department considers might be suitable for other uses (although these potential other uses are as yet uncertain)."

£0.75 billion - "PPE which is in excess of the amount that will ultimately be needed."

£4.7 billion - "Adjustment to the year-end valuation of PPE due to the market price of equivalent PPE at the year-end being lower than the original purchase price."


Note that those amounts are Billions of pounds.

[hibsbollah]

If there HAD been a ‘bidding war’, instead of giving contracts to political mates, that would have been a bit better. Other countries managed it without the whole billions ‘lost’ thing.

[Stairway 2 7]

You're very generous in your excusing the Tories for the PPE scandal. Here's the DHSC report on PPE (from February 2022, so a year out of date). At that time the Tory Government reported write downs of:


£0.67 billion - "PPE which cannot be used, for instance because it is defective."

£2.6 billion - "PPE which is not suitable for use within the health and social care sector but which the Department considers might be suitable for other uses (although these potential other uses are as yet uncertain)."

£0.75 billion - "PPE which is in excess of the amount that will ultimately be needed."

£4.7 billion - "Adjustment to the year-end valuation of PPE due to the market price of equivalent PPE at the year-end being lower than the original purchase price."


Note that those amounts are Billions of pounds.

There needs tobe questions asked for future pandemis but everyone panicked and trampled over each other to get ppe. Germany bought 1.2 billion of defective masks in the first month, France 1.5 billion on defective gloves. Here's an article on different European countries scrambling for equipment and getting faulty stuff Holland 600,000 unusable masks for example
https://euobserver.com/health-and-society/147958

It's incompetent but I don't think they deliberately thought the Chinese masks would be poor quality. It seems ridiculous that they can't claim the money back.

The last two on the list no one is to blame for. They bought too much but would have been criticised if vaccines didn't work and their wasn't ppe. The 4.7 billion, what are they meant to do with depreciation of goods post a working vaccine. Some were reluctant for mask wearing to stop so it could have been more if they wanted it. It's similar to those who complained about testing ending but also complain about the billions spent on testing.

[overdrive]

There needs tobe questions asked for future pandemis but everyone panicked and trampled over each other to get ppe. Germany bought 1.2 billion of defective masks in the first month, France 1.5 billion on defective gloves. Here's an article on different European countries scrambling for equipment and getting faulty stuff Holland 600,000 unusable masks for example
https://euobserver.com/health-and-society/147958

It's incompetent but I don't think they deliberately thought the Chinese masks would be poor quality. It seems ridiculous that they can't claim the money back.

The last two on the list no one is to blame for. They bought too much but would have been criticised if vaccines didn't work and their wasn't ppe. The 4.7 billion, what are they meant to do with depreciation of goods post a working vaccine. Some were reluctant for mask wearing to stop so it could have been more if they wanted it. It's similar to those who complained about testing ending but also complain about the billions spent on testing.

I'm with you on those last two. Imagine if we had ran out of PPE. As you said on another post, the government didn't know how bad it was going to get, what would happen with different variants and whether vaccines would exist or work.

Again, on the purchase price being higher than the current value... yes there might be an element of Tory chums overcharging but it was also bought at a time every country was desperately trying to buy scarce PPE. Of course, that would drive the price up and as more PPE became available (and more suppliers came on the scene), the price would go down.

The real scandal is the way the contracts were tendered for (or lack thereof), issued and managed.

[grunt]

The last two on the list no one is to blame for. They bought too much but would have been criticised if vaccines didn't work and their wasn't ppe. The 4.7 billion, what are they meant to do with depreciation of goods post a working vaccine.


I'm with you on those last two. Imagine if we had ran out of PPE. As you said on another post, the government didn't know how bad it was going to get, what would happen with different variants and whether vaccines would exist or work.

Again, on the purchase price being higher than the current value... yes there might be an element of Tory chums overcharging but it was also bought at a time every country was desperately trying to buy scarce PPE. Of course, that would drive the price up and as more PPE became available (and more suppliers came on the scene), the price would go down.
There are examples - I don't have time to find them now - of PPE being purchased late on from Tory friends and family via the VIP lane, at prices which were - at the time they were bought - higher than the then current market prices. Blatant corruption from a Tory party who cynically used the cover of the pandemic to line the nests of themselves and their friends. They should be in prison. And the money should be repaid.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/carolvorders/status/1648005552377569292?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[CropleyWasGod]

https://twitter.com/carolvorders/status/1648005552377569292?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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Not sure what she's getting at.

The story was discussed at length last year, including on here.

[grunt]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23464167.david-mundell-subject-new-probe-westminster-standards-watchdog/?ref=twtrec


SCOTTISH Tory MP David Mundell has joined the growing list of Conservatives under investigation by the parliamentary standards watchdog.

The MP for Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale is facing a less serious charge than Sunak, being probed for his “use of facilities [stationery] provided from the public purse”.

[ronaldo7]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23464167.david-mundell-subject-new-probe-westminster-standards-watchdog/?ref=twtrec

Not another one. 😆

[Scotty Leither]

How’s Michelle Mone doing? Is she still relaxing in Honduras after her link to PPE contracts? Has Honduras got an extradition policy with the UK yet?

[Bostonhibby]

How’s Michelle Mone doing? Is she still relaxing in Honduras after her link to PPE contracts? Has Honduras got an extradition policy with the UK yet?Maybe she is down there because she just wants to be nearer her share of the money?

Well the taxpayers money but in these crooks heads it's theirs to use and abuse since they had been fast tracked to it after all?

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65324307?at_bbc_team=editorial&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_id=65852216-DEAA-11ED-BFC1-A6A1ECABB293&at_campaign_type=owned&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_type=web_link&at_link_origin=BBCScotlandNews&at_medium=social&at_format=link

Amazing to see how it works at Westminster. You only need to declare things if you get caught.


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[Bostonhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65324307?at_bbc_team=editorial&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_id=65852216-DEAA-11ED-BFC1-A6A1ECABB293&at_campaign_type=owned&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_type=web_link&at_link_origin=BBCScotlandNews&at_medium=social&at_format=link

Amazing to see how it works at Westminster. You only need to declare things if you get caught.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Another sad day. The tories give Braverman the power to ignore the ECHR, depressing and disgusting

[cabbageandribs1875]

stick a tent outside his new house :agree:

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[Hibrandenburg]

stick a tent outside his new house :agree:

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One of many but how many arrests have we seen whilst police investigate all these corruption scandals?

[grunt]

Levelling up at a cost of just £110.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1649078272423075843?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak too scared to sack Rabb?


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[grunt]

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1649078272423075843?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak too scared to sack Rabb?
https://twitter.com/Trump_ton/status/1649068886585638916?s=20

[Mibbes Aye]

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1649078272423075843?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak too scared to sack Rabb?


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Quite possibly. IT's a win-win in terms of ammunition against the Tories either way, so long may it continue.

One potential and more innocent explanation is that Michelle Donelan is about to go on mat leave, which will necessitate some reshuffling. If Raab is out then it is more practical to roll it all up into one exercise.

The other factor is the May elections - sack now and open up a bag of questions about what Sunak knew wehen appointing him? Keep him and be accused of weakness or condoning bullying? He can't kick it down the road until after the elections without it looking hopelessly dodgy.

[Ozyhibby]

Quite possibly. IT's a win-win in terms of ammunition against the Tories either way, so long may it continue.

One potential and more innocent explanation is that Michelle Donelan is about to go on mat leave, which will necessitate some reshuffling. If Raab is out then it is more practical to roll it all up into one exercise.

The other factor is the May elections - sack now and open up a bag of questions about what Sunak knew wehen appointing him? Keep him and be accused of weakness or condoning bullying? He can't kick it down the road until after the elections without it looking hopelessly dodgy.

Hard to sack someone for bullying the day after you start making up nicknames for someone else in the workplace I would think.


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[Ozyhibby]

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[Stairway 2 7]

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Jeez bad news for Sunak, he now needs to make a decision quick

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1649078272423075843?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak too scared to sack Rabb?


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[grunt]

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/150988/unimaginable-cost-of-test-trace-failed-to-deliver-central-promise-of-averting-another-lockdown/

In 2021, Meg Hillier MP, Chair of the Public Accounts Committee, said:
Yet despite the unimaginable resources thrown at this project Test and Trace cannot point to a measurable difference to the progress of the pandemic, and the promise on which this huge expense was justified - avoiding another lockdown – has been broken, twice.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/150988/unimaginable-cost-of-test-trace-failed-to-deliver-central-promise-of-averting-another-lockdown/

In 2021, Meg Hillier MP, Chair of the Public Accounts Committee, said:

Years old and random. But she's an arse lockdowns were needed certainly pre vaccination. Testing obviously couldn't stop that as it didn't in any sensible nation in the world. Most of the money went on testing I'm glad we did test so much and I'm glad we locked down, although I would have locked down harder and earlier the first 2 times

[grunt]

Years old and random. But she's an arse lockdowns were needed certainly pre vaccination. Testing obviously couldn't stop that as it didn't in any sensible nation in the world. Most of the money went on testing I'm glad we did test so much and I'm glad we locked down, although I would have locked down harder and earlier the first 2 times

I think I said it was from 2021. And just to be clear, you're calling the Chair of the Public Accounts Committee an "arse" because you don't agree with her? Righto.

[Stairway 2 7]

I think I said it was from 2021. And just to be clear, you're calling the Chair of the Public Accounts Committee an "arse" because you don't agree with her? Righto.

I don't think you would too if you had read her thoughts, she said lockdown should have been avoidable. Lockdown was essential and no mitigations could stop that. I'm also glad of every penny spent on testing. Tracing was poor but it was useless in almost every country, I would have had a bigger nhs involvement, although it still wouldn't have stopped lockdown

[Stairway 2 7]

Reec mogg was also in the public accounts committee, another else although he was even more anti lockdown. Our current PM was probably the biggest pusher for no lockdowns though, he even brought activaxers and lockdown sceptic drs into cabinet to speak

[grunt]

Raab resigns.

[stokesmessiah]

Raab resigns.

Total cop out from Sunak

[grunt]

Raab resigns.

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[Bostonhibby]

Raab resigns.Aye but he says he only bullied 2 people so all good. Cowardly weasel of a man but he'll probably be back.



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[One Day Soon]

Yes, yes they are.

[ronaldo7]

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Does Dom become a non Dom now.

[Ozyhibby]

10th justice minister in 10 years. Thank goodness we have the SNP up here and have only had 4(new one just started). Maybe that stability is why crime is so much lower in Scotland.


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[hibsbollah]

Aye but he says he only bullied 2 people so all good. Cowardly weasel of a man but he'll probably be back.



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No, no, he was framed by the lefty unions :agree:

His statement read “This precedent sets the playbook for a small number of officials to target ministers, who negotiate robustly on behalf of the country, pursue bold reforms and persevere in holding civil servants to account. If that is now the threshold for bullying in government, it is the people of this country who will pay the price.”

[Bostonhibby]

No, no, he was framed by the lefty unions :agree:

His statement read “This precedent sets the playbook for a small number of officials to target ministers, who negotiate robustly on behalf of the country, pursue bold reforms and persevere in holding civil servants to account. If that is now the threshold for bullying in government, it is the people of this country who will pay the price.”Or he could always had just tried treating folk with a bit of respect and civility?

He does seem to be one of a thankfully small number of "leaders" who still can't see why he is in the spotlight here, and still deflects responsibility and accountability off elsewhere. A bully doing what bullies do.

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[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/WelshDalaiLama/status/1649336509307158528?cxt=HHwWgICwhaK0z-MtAAAA

[hibsbollah]

Or he could always had just tried treating folk with a bit of respect and civility?

He does seem to be one of a thankfully small number of "leaders" who still can't see why he is in the spotlight here, and still deflects responsibility and accountability off elsewhere. A bully doing what bullies do.

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I could live with his pathetic, deflecting, oafish, straw man of a statement, talking about how ‘robust’ and ‘bold’ he is, until he used the word ‘persevere’. That’s our word. Tories are not allowed to use Our Word.

[Bostonhibby]

I could live with his pathetic, deflecting, oafish, straw man of a statement, talking about how ‘robust’ and ‘bold’ he is, until he used the word ‘persevere’. That’s our word. Tories are not allowed to use Our Word.Indeed[emoji16]

You also have to wonder about a process that somehow let's him get his resignation in first and attack the report before we actually get to hear what's in the report and the leader fails to sack him first.

I guess Raab's type of bullying must have been the right type of bullying for the nasties.

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[NYHibby]

Aye but he says he only bullied 2 people so all good. Cowardly weasel of a man but he'll probably be back.


Turns out I was working with those two people at the time it happened…

[NYHibby]

10th justice minister in 10 years. Thank goodness we have the SNP up here and have only had 4(new one just started). Maybe that stability is why crime is so much lower in Scotland.

That’s not his job. That’s the Home Secretary, where if you ignore Braverman’s one week break, there’s been 5 in the last 13 years. That is the same number as in the SG.

[Hibrandenburg]

Does Dom become a non Dom now.

This from the Brexiteer who didn't realise Dover was important for our international trade.

[Kato]

One rule for Tory Party fraudsters and their pals, another rule for those at the bottom of the pile.

https://twitter.com/DWPgovuk/status/1648998758766575619?t=Fc45n7REKEjKsT3oE6_U3Q&s=19

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[Jones28]

It really is amazing that we have a thread on this forum going at the SNP constantly, whose main contributors are silent on this thread.

[Kato]

It really is amazing that we have a thread on this forum going at the SNP constantly, whose main contributors are silent on this thread.The SNP threaten the "Precious Union". The Tories want to tighten the bonds of "Precious Union".

The "Precious Union" being kept as is trumps any sort of ill feeling towards Tory criminals.

It's called the "cultural hegemony" and people will put up with any crooked government and forgive all sorts of theft and damage on the country to keep it.

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[Kato]

One rule for Tory Party fraudsters and their pals, another rule for those at the bottom of the pile.

https://twitter.com/DWPgovuk/status/1648998758766575619?t=Fc45n7REKEjKsT3oE6_U3Q&s=19

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[Ozyhibby]

It really is amazing that we have a thread on this forum going at the SNP constantly, whose main contributors are silent on this thread.

Non aggression pact.[emoji106] You see it everywhere in Scottish politics.


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[archie]

Indeed[emoji16]

You also have to wonder about a process that somehow let's him get his resignation in first and attack the report before we actually get to hear what's in the report and the leader fails to sack him first.

I guess Raab's type of bullying must have been the right type of bullying for the nasties.

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He was given the chance to resign or be fired.

[Jones28]

The SNP threaten the "Precious Union". The Tories want to tighten the bonds of "Precious Union".

The "Precious Union" being kept as is trumps any sort of ill feeling towards Tory criminals.

It's called the "cultural hegemony" and people will put up with any crooked government and forgive all sorts of theft and damage on the country to keep it.

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These people can take so many kicks and beatings, but they cling on to the union. They're so dogmatic it's actually a little bit admirable.

[neil7908]

He was given the chance to resign or be fired.

He shouldn't have been given the chance to resign, especially putting out that statement. He should have been binned the moment the report hit Sunaks desk.

If you read some of the reports about how he made people feel it's disgusting. These were senior civil servants, who will have plenty of experience and were being physically sick before going into meetings with him.

In any other industry he'd be out on his arse and would never work again. But I have no doubt he'll find a well paying gig in the media or somewhere else.

[archie]

The SNP threaten the "Precious Union". The Tories want to tighten the bonds of "Precious Union".

The "Precious Union" being kept as is trumps any sort of ill feeling towards Tory criminals.

It's called the "cultural hegemony" and people will put up with any crooked government and forgive all sorts of theft and damage on the country to keep it.

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This narrative assumes that there are only two options; Tory UK or independent Scotland. That is, of course, not the case. It also assumes that an independent Scotland will automatically be better for the citizens than the UK. That is, at best, questionable. This narrative also assumes that the UK Government can't change. Clearly that isn't the case.

Introducing the notion of cultural hegemony is interesting because it is, of course, a class analysis. It's not clear how that would overlay onto Scottish independence, which doesn't appear to be underpinned by a class based movement.

[archie]

He shouldn't have been given the chance to resign, especially putting out that statement. He should have been binned the moment the report hit Sunaks desk.

If you read some of the reports about how he made people feel it's disgusting. These were senior civil servants, who will have plenty of experience and were being physically sick before going into meetings with him.

In any other industry he'd be out on his arse and would never work again. But I have no doubt he'll find a well paying gig in the media or somewhere else.

Perhaps. Would you apply that to all politicians?

[Bostonhibby]

He was given the chance to resign or be fired.I didn't see that version anywhere earlier but to me sacking seems the credible thing to do

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[Stairway 2 7]

Summary and report bellow


Politics UK
@PolitlcsUK
🚨 | NEW: Summary of Dominic Raab's bullying report:
- 44 written pieces of evidence and 66 interviews conducted
- Raab was "intimidating", "unreasonable", and "aggressive"
- Raab put his hand directly out toward an official's face to shut them up + banged on the table

- Raab referred to the Civil Service code to officials in relation to an outgoing project to "reasonably" imply disciplinary action against them in a form of a "threat"
- Sir Philip Barton then told Raab in private not to do this - but Raab denied doing it (Tolley finds he did

- Raab complained about "basic information" missing from officials - calling their work "woeful" and "utterly useless" - but didn't offer feedback
- Raab has altered his "approach" since - but he should have done this "earlier" after warnings from senior officials

- Raab "should have been aware of his conduct" or "at the very least, he should have been aware"
- Raab wanted to find out the "junior official" responsible for a "minor" issue and then for a "senior official" to apologise to him

- Raab required a meeting with a policy official for the "sole purpose of criticising them" for a late submission - despite there being "no underlying urgency" - the experience was "humiliating and upsetting"
- Officials took "special unpaid leave[]attributable to his conduct

- Raab worked "long hours" - and therefore became "impatient and frustrated when others do not deliver what he required"
- Some "media reporting was not correct"
- Raab did "4 separate interviews" totalling 2 and a half days

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1152026/2023.04.20_Investigation_Report_to_the_Prime_Minis ter.pdf…

[hibsbollah]

So it’s Dowden. Another nutter from the lunatic anti woke fringe. Anyone remember One Nation Tories? It’s like saying ‘whigs’ it’s so long ago.

[Kato]

So it’s Dowden. Another nutter from the lunatic anti woke fringe. Anyone remember One Nation Tories? It’s like saying ‘whigs’ it’s so long ago.Did they ever exist. "One Nation" seems to me to be post-war mask they wear when they have to deal with an electorate who have put their neck on the line, like post WW2. Or a pre-War pretence when they need protected from an existential force, like the Napoleonic Wars.

Once the need for pretence no longer exists, like the fall of communism, they revert to their usual psychopathy.

What have One Nation Tories ever done for the whole nation?

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[JeMeSouviens]

I liked that a Tolley got rid of a Toley. :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Did they ever exist. "One Nation" seems to me to be post-war mask they wear when they have to deal with an electorate who have put their neck on the line, like post WW2. Or a pre-War pretence when they need protected from an existential force, like the Napoleonic Wars.

Once the need for pretence no longer exists, like the fall of communism, they revert to their usual psychopathy.

What have One Nation Tories ever done for the whole nation?

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Well that’s a good question. It depends on your point of view. I’d say post Thatcher the One Nation Tory morphed into a toff who was concerned about policies that would placate the working class by giving them scraps from the table, in opposition to the neo liberals who were bold as brass about wanting to give them a good harsh thrashing. Heseltine the archetype.

Before that, the class thing was reversed, a One Nation Tory was an oik like Disraeli, not a toff like Heseltine, who was all about, again, giving the working man scraps from the table to keep him quiet while the real movers and shakers kept the real money for themselves.

Scratch below the surface with these people and it’s all about social class.

[archie]

Well that’s a good question. It depends on your point of view. I’d say post Thatcher the One Nation Tory morphed into a toff who was concerned about policies that would placate the working class by giving them scraps from the table, in opposition to the neo liberals who were bold as brass about wanting to give them a good harsh thrashing. Heseltine the archetype.

Before that, the class thing was reversed, a One Nation Tory was an oik like Disraeli, not a toff like Heseltine, who was all about, again, giving the working man scraps from the table to keep him quiet while the real movers and shakers kept the real money for themselves.

Scratch below the surface with these people and it’s all about social class.

Wasn't MacMillan the archetype. Toff who would favour things like mass social housing constr?

[hibsbollah]

Wasn't MacMillan the archetype. Toff who would favour things like mass social housing constr?

Yep, good take.

[Kato]

Wasn't MacMillan the archetype. Toff who would favour things like mass social housing constr?Did he have any other choice? The state of the nation and the expectation of the generation who won the war would suggest not.

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[archie]

Did he have any other choice? The state of the nation and the expectation of the generation who won the war would suggest not.

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Well clearly he had a choice. None of what you are saying is invalid. It also possible that he was part of a post war consensus on a range of social issues that led to his political approach.

[archie]

Excellent. What a headline https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/21/dominic-raab-hardman-rishi-sunak-scandal

[neil7908]

Perhaps. Would you apply that to all politicians?

Not sure what part of my post you are referring to but any politician, regardless of party, should be sacked immediately if an independent enquiry finds them to be a bully. And they shouldn't be able to walk into another job when one of us plebs would be struggling to find work with that on our record.

[hibsbollah]

Labour MP Graham Stringer with a stinging rebuke on civil service on @GBNews:

"I find effectively civil servants sacking a minister, which is what has happened, quietly disturbing because one of the great myths in our political life is that we have a non political civil service".

Who is Graham Stringer? What a roaster.

[grunt]

Who is Graham Stringer? What a roaster.
A Labour MP who looks - and votes - like a Tory. A brexiter, anti-lockdown, anti-immigration, anti-climate change MP.
As you say, roaster.

[Mibbes Aye]

Labour MP Graham Stringer with a stinging rebuke on civil service on @GBNews:

"I find effectively civil servants sacking a minister, which is what has happened, quietly disturbing because one of the great myths in our political life is that we have a non political civil service".

Who is Graham Stringer? What a roaster.

He is indeed a roaster and a solid argument for the Party deselecting candidates 😀

Pro-fracking, climate change-denying, anti-EU bammer. Occupies a similar space to fellow roasters like Kate Hoey and Frank Field.

He also had a right go at Ed Miliband for having a right go at the Tories, when Ed led. He thought it was unseemly.

Another walloper who likes to indulge his ego but is too much a hypocrite to stand as an independent.

[Mibbes Aye]

Wasn't MacMillan the archetype. Toff who would favour things like mass social housing constr?

Macmillan is associated by being PM for part of that period but the real driver was Ian Macleod and others. Probably surprisingly for some, Enoch Powell was part of that grouping as well, though he was at the less-interventionist end of the spectrum.

As for its roots, it is true to associate it with Disraeli, although he never used the term. He did lay out his thinking in ‘Sybil, or The Two Nations’ which is a very good read. The fact it was published around the same time as Engels’ ‘Condition of the Working Class’ illustrates the ideological contestation going on then.

Anyway, it is a bit of a stretch to claim Disraeli was acting to quell some working-class revolution, he actually was broadly supportive of the Chartists. He saw the real enemy as the newly-rich and newly-ennobled, who had acquired great wealth through the repeal of the Corn Laws especially and industrialisation generally. He saw this as the biggest risk to the social fabric and to social order.

In that respect Disraeli was a genuine ‘conservative’, wanting to retain the old order and the old ways. The parallels with the twentieth century are striking. One-Nation Toryism saw its threat as the rise of free trade in the mid-nineteenth century. Skip forward a hundred years and the threat was the rise of supply-side economics, deregulation and neo-liberalism. Essentially the same battles being fought all over again.

[neil7908]

He is indeed a roaster and a solid argument for the Party deselecting candidates 😀

Pro-fracking, climate change-denying, anti-EU bammer. Occupies a similar space to fellow roasters like Kate Hoey and Frank Field.

He also had a right go at Ed Miliband for having a right go at the Tories, when Ed led. He thought it was unseemly.

Another walloper who likes to indulge his ego but is too much a hypocrite to stand as an independent.

This is the modern Labour Party. Those on the left are forced out, but apparently he's fine.

[Mibbes Aye]

This is the modern Labour Party. Those on the left are forced out, but apparently he's fine.

Nonsense.

His CLP haven't deselected him. The real issue is that he was leader of Manchester City Council for 12 years before he was elected as an MP. He has his own faction within the CLP who are solidly supportive and willing to indulge his rubbish.

[Bostonhibby]

He is indeed a roaster and a solid argument for the Party deselecting candidates [emoji3]

Pro-fracking, climate change-denying, anti-EU bammer. Occupies a similar space to fellow roasters like Kate Hoey and Frank Field.

He also had a right go at Ed Miliband for having a right go at the Tories, when Ed led. He thought it was unseemly.

Another walloper who likes to indulge his ego but is too much a hypocrite to stand as an independent.Maybe a future deputy chairman of the Nasty party with that sort of CV?
Just needs to work out how to feed a family for 29p.

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[neil7908]

Nonsense.

His CLP haven't deselected him. The real issue is that he was leader of Manchester City Council for 12 years before he was elected as an MP. He has his own faction within the CLP who are solidly supportive and willing to indulge his rubbish.

Revoke his membership and remove him from the party then. But I forget it's only the left that gets that treatment. This guy has no place in a party with any intention to govern with a left leaning agenda. I'm sure they could find a reason to get shot if they wanted.

[Moulin Yarns]

Maybe a future deputy chairman of the Nasty party with that sort of CV?
Just needs to work out how to feed a family for 29p.

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https://www.martinschocolatier.co.uk/products/martins-chocolatier-chocolate-coins?gclid=Cj0KCQjwi46iBhDyARIsAE3nVrYYI2iIea4TBM RULgi1ixga0I9V5eg4uSz1MzT9rl2yzYdlQWC3ye4aAuUNEALw _wcB

£3.59 minimum 😉

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.martinschocolatier.co.uk/products/martins-chocolatier-chocolate-coins?gclid=Cj0KCQjwi46iBhDyARIsAE3nVrYYI2iIea4TBM RULgi1ixga0I9V5eg4uSz1MzT9rl2yzYdlQWC3ye4aAuUNEALw _wcB

£3.59 minimum [emoji6][emoji23]

Another Nasty party fib then.

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[Jack]

Dominic Raaaaab was found guilty of bullying and stuff. Among the charges was that he used the Civil Service Code as a "threat of unspecified disciplinary action”.

We now have Health and Social Care Secretary Steve Barclay taking court action against the nurses in England. Of course he's only for their own good while threatening their professional registration at the same time "This legal action also seeks to protect nurses who could otherwise be asked to take part in unlawful activity that could in turn put their professional registration at risk and would breach the requirements set out in the nursing code of conduct."

How low can they go?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Suella Braverman asked if expenses cover speeding tickets on first day | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23474463.suella-braverman-asked-expenses-cover-speeding-tickets-first-day/?ref=ebmpn)

THE Home Secretary reportedly asked whether she could claim a speeding ticket on expenses, a Tory MP has revealed.

William Wragg shared the anecdote on social media in the early hours of Saturday morning and posted a picture of Big Ben following the tweet thread.

Suella Braverman and Wragg both attended a presentation given to new MPs on their first day in parliament by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA).

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1650419517082726403?t=2iV8jsIZ1hy1j-xLD0esfw&s=19

I wonder what National Conservatism means?

Sounds like a Steve Bannon idea, especially in light of his connections to the Tory Party being revealed as far deeper than first thought.

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[Kato]

A piece on National Conservatism.

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/24/national-conservative-manifesto-a-plan-for-fascism--but-its-not-hypothetical/

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[Smartie]

This **** is absolutely vile and very worrying.

[Kato]

This **** is absolutely vile and very worrying.A world wide movement hoping to include right wing/far right wing Govts.

Someone pointed out that the most useful abbreviation is "Nat-C".

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[Kato]

What a tosser the prime minister is.

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1650460728028004352?t=VlTL9OkdHdWs12tSVZ6jEQ&s=19

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[hibsbollah]

What a tosser the prime minister is.

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1650460728028004352?t=VlTL9OkdHdWs12tSVZ6jEQ&s=19

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Hes so clearly nervous and bullied by that question, he dips and bobs and scrapes like a kind of demented Baldrick figure. A toady, kind of like a pathetic sidekick of an evil genius. Except weirdly he’s the bloke running the country.

[Kato]

Hes so clearly nervous and bullied by that question, he dips and bobs and scrapes like a kind of demented Baldrick figure. A toady, kind of like a pathetic sidekick of an evil genius. Except weirdly he’s the bloke running the country.That's what I said - a tosser.

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[hibsbollah]

That's what I said - a tosser.

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Well Ok :faf:

[Kato]

Well Ok :faf:;.)

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[grunt]

A world wide movement hoping to include right wing/far right wing Govts.

Someone pointed out that the most useful abbreviation is "Nat-C".

Stolen from Twit:


Don't be stupid, be a smarty! Come and join the Nat-C Party!

[Kato]

Stolen from Twit:That movie would be banned.

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[Jack]

Hes so clearly nervous and bullied by that question, he dips and bobs and scrapes like a kind of demented Baldrick figure. A toady, kind of like a pathetic sidekick of an evil genius. Except weirdly he’s the bloke running the country.

Is he?

[hibsbollah]

Is he?

Well OK :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Stolen from Twit:

:greengrin

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1650529841769242628?s=20


UPDATE: The Scottish Conservatives have refused to publish their membership numbers.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1650529841769242628?s=20

Transparency. 😆

[grunt]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c6ca059e-e203-11ed-82bc-08d7692e8310?shareToken=bf945968cc430c2da71a431d8f 5d6de0

Ed Lucas in The Times:


The Tories are operating a secret blacklist that bars anyone who's ever been deemed anti-government on social media from participating in conferences or other events controlled by the Tories.

"... Until he gets an email. It is from the organisers of a conference where he had agreed to speak, waiving his usual fat fee on patriotic grounds. The email reads: “Rules introduced by the Cabinet Office in 2022 specify that the social media accounts of potential speakers must be vetted . . . to check whether these people have ever criticised government officials or government policy. The vetting process is impartial and purely evidence-based. The check on your social media has identified material that criticises government officials and policy. It is for this reason . . . that I am afraid that we have no choice and must cancel your invitation.”

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1650452381216174081?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Is this a normal size entourage?


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1650452381216174081?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Is this a normal size entourage?


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Seen this absolutely ******g bizarre

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1650529841769242628?s=20

Seems daft from them. They will look more fools than usual if they now bring up SNP figures

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1650452381216174081?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Is this a normal size entourage?


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[Smartie]

If that's the speed they're going to go at, should they not just go for a demeaning old sedan chair to give the impression that somebody much more worthy than us is needing to go along a road at a few miles per hour?

[grunt]

Normal
This is quite possibly a whoosh comment on my part, but there is absolutely nothing normal about that. I've never seen PC Plod running along Whitehall like that before. Sunak makes the weekly trip to HoC for PMQs on a Wednesday and they never have that rigmarole.

[Kato]

This is quite possibly a whoosh comment on my part, but there is absolutely nothing normal about that. I've never seen PC Plod running along Whitehall like that before. Sunak makes the weekly trip to HoC for PMQs on a Wednesday and they never have that rigmarole.It's normal because we have a bunch of freaks running the country.

Anything freakish is normal as they are freaks.

Its normal if you are a right wing, money grabbing, lying, power hungry, yet inadequate, freak.

Was probably told there were some working class oiks around and we can't have him anywhere near them.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Wow surely a stupid lose lose move

Sky News Breaking
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Health Secretary Steve Barclay has confirmed he will take the Royal College of Nursing to court over planned strike action on 2 May

For more on this and other news visit http://trib.al/Rx0iR33

[ronaldo7]

The broad shoulders of the UK have left around 4000 of its citizens in the Sudan to fend for themselves. Other countries getting their citizens out according to press reports.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/Imranicus/status/1650530553760808964?t=CWHL_ngFApxKSvOceVMrug&s=19

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[grunt]

The broad shoulders of the UK have left around 4000 of its citizens in the Sudan to fend for themselves. Other countries getting their citizens out according to press reports.
Other countries getting OUR citizens out.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FufzdkXXsAESyY5?format=jpg&name=medium

[Jones28]

Sunak and his wife have an interest in the company that ran the emergency alert.

https://twitter.com/loveukhatetory/status/1650433156288327682?s=46&t=LWpyA25jn7_ojIH7KWfnGg

[Stairway 2 7]

Sunak and his wife have an interest in the company that ran the emergency alert.

https://twitter.com/loveukhatetory/status/1650433156288327682?s=46&t=LWpyA25jn7_ojIH7KWfnGg

Infosys is also still operating in Russia

[Ozyhibby]

Infosys is also still operating in Russia

They should be banned from operating here.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

wtf is this all about for wee sunak ffs :rolleyes:

Watch as Rishi Sunak's ramped up security causes officers to run alongside cars (yahoo.com) (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/watch-rishi-sunaks-ramped-security-143119555.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAH3f_Zjjr067vQ8ziFX3gvef_pWx GJneTDBCQDBRaMYURjZN8BReCXomFJUTjtKUe2IhArLKqQO214 8nEL0Yjlru7epIdOygOUYueRrU1pKa2TvMSQVaMRjX7tLfpVFm Go02wg7WhAW8Zxi9Dvtmhysf3bNecepd5JUN1DA0E9hg)

[Hibrandenburg]

Other countries getting OUR citizens out.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FufzdkXXsAESyY5?format=jpg&name=medium

There were a few Brits evacuated last night by the Germans and brought into Berlin. British government are still advising Brits to sit tight.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1650472749498880003?t=mbcqFSxM8VgS0cK2L5GQuQ&s=19

https://youtu.be/3TGY0NYAwU4

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[neil7908]

wtf is this all about for wee sunak ffs :rolleyes:

Watch as Rishi Sunak's ramped up security causes officers to run alongside cars (yahoo.com) (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/watch-rishi-sunaks-ramped-security-143119555.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAH3f_Zjjr067vQ8ziFX3gvef_pWx GJneTDBCQDBRaMYURjZN8BReCXomFJUTjtKUe2IhArLKqQO214 8nEL0Yjlru7epIdOygOUYueRrU1pKa2TvMSQVaMRjX7tLfpVFm Go02wg7WhAW8Zxi9Dvtmhysf3bNecepd5JUN1DA0E9hg)

Ah, so that's where all the police officers have gone!

No wonder it's impossible to get them to investigate crimes any more, they are all drafted in to guard the PM.

I'm no expert on this but I also don't understand why there are so many officers up front and none at the sides. It felt like anyone could have just walked up to the vehicles once the first wave of officers went by.

[ronaldo7]

According to the UK defence secretary, it seems the Germans are in control of the airfield in Sudan, and the British citizens will get a chance to get out after the Germans have left.

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/25/uk-secretly-deported-100-nepali-guards-who-protected-staff-in-kabul-afghanistan


More than 100 Nepali guards who risked their lives to protect British embassy staff in Afghanistan before the Taliban seized back control were secretly returned to Nepal against their wishes shortly after being airlifted to safety in the UK, the Guardian can reveal.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1651126548680830976?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Is this the route to victory for Sunak?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1651126548680830976?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Is this the route to victory for Sunak?


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https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1651134017587036160?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Clear voter suppression tactics.


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[Stairway 2 7]

I thought Flynn and Starmer really hammered Sunak today, flynn on immigration and Starmer here on non doms amongst other things

https://mobile.twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1651187161004224514

[hibsbollah]

It seems like PMQs is plumbing new depths each week. There are OTHER KINDS OF VOTER interested in OTHER KINDS OF STUFF out there !!!

PMQs - snap verdict
Readers often ask why the Guardian doesn’t publish a fact-check analysis of PMQs every week. The answer is that it would take so long that, by the time it was finished, PMQs might be long forgotten, but anyone attempting such an exercise today would be in for a particularly long afternoon. The exchanges between Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer were particularly grim; often there is an argument of sorts, but today it just felt like a carnival of sloganising and half-truths.

Did we learn anything? Only that there’s an election coming (the English local elections, a week tomorrow). What we saw today were two party leaders who had no time for nuance and how were just honing their electoral message. Starmer wasn’t innocent on the misrepresentation front (Sunak never “boasted’” about not having working class friends), but Sunak was worse. (“On Monday in the House of Lords [Labour] decided to side with extremist protesters, just yesterday they sided with polluters, and tonight we will see them siding with the people smugglers.”) It was all rather grim and unedifying.

The attack lines are familiar. Starmer depicts Sunak as an out-of-touch plutocrat, clueless about ordinary life, trying to defend the record of a government that has little to show for its 13 years. Sunak depicts Starmer as leader of a party short on ideas, weak on crime and committed to higher taxes. What’s new is that Sunak is now leaning into culture war attacks more enthusiastically than ever. Even before Starmer got his first question in, Sunak went full Daily Express on gender. (See 12.03pm.) When he took over as PM, he seemed to have little appetite for such crude and divisive campaigning. Perhaps he just hid it well. Or perhaps, 15 points behind in the polls and with few other messages that resonate, electoral gravity has made this inevitable.

There was one clear winner at PMQs today; the SNP’s Stephen Flynn skewered Sunak very effectively with his question about safe routes and Sudan. (See 12.14pm.) Labour’s Bell Ribeiro-Addy also got an interesting answer from Sunak to her question about reparations and an apology for slavery. (See 12.26pm.)

[ronaldo7]

I thought Flynn and Starmer really hammered Sunak today, flynn on immigration and Starmer here on non doms amongst other things

https://mobile.twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1651187161004224514

I thought they were both insipid.

[Stairway 2 7]

I thought they were both insipid.

I thought Flynn was good. He doesn't do bluster but he didn't need to, the policy is so abhorrent he easily made Sunak look the ****bag he is

[McSwanky]

https://twitter.com/LondonEconomic/status/1651168013368848384

(Yes, it's Lee Anderson again)

Throwing personal insults around, no matter who it's dierected at or how justified you think you are, is not a great look.

[ronaldo7]

I thought Flynn was good. He doesn't do bluster but he didn't need to, the policy is so abhorrent he easily made Sunak look the ****bag he is

He's more to the point than Starmer, I'll give you that.

[Stairway 2 7]

He's more to the point than Starmer, I'll give you that.

Starmer is so wet. There was times when Boris's gang were breaking laws ect and you'd watch PMQ's and just be begging for Starmer to be fuming like us

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fup138QWAAcGAyo?format=png&name=900x900

[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/LondonEconomic/status/1651168013368848384

(Yes, it's Lee Anderson again)

Throwing personal insults around, no matter who it's dierected at or how justified you think you are, is not a great look.

That was a despicable performance.

Problem is, there will be people watching that who relate to his "plain speaking" performance and think he's speaking for them.

Culture war ****.

[grunt]

Tories lying in their Local Election campaign leaflets. Where's the electoral oversight?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuoBah2WIAI5E1g?format=jpg&name=small

[Pretty Boy]

Whilst I'd never advise anyone to wilfully listen to Jacob Rees-Mogg I can't help but suggest you spend 9 minutes watching him get destroyed by Marina Purkiss on his own GBNews show. Apparently the right wing press are up in arms that she 'abused him. Yes, really. Enjoy:

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2023/04/26/jacob-rees-mogg-was-gloriously-owned-on-his-gb-news-show-and-its-9-minutes-fabulously-well-spent/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=pic&utm_campaign=facebookpic

[hibsbollah]

That was a despicable performance.

Problem is, there will be people watching that who relate to his "plain speaking" performance and think he's speaking for them.

Culture war ****.

Isn’t that the problem with one-eyed consumption of news in general? Echo chamber right wing site says ‘Anderson absolutely SCHOOLS PC Plod-watch!!’ Or ‘Anderson DESTROYS Lefty Woke Copper in SIX MINUTES!!!’

[cabbageandribs1875]

great result for the nasty party :agree:

(3) Paul Waugh on Twitter: "The final figures are in: just 63,279 people met last night's 5pm deadline to apply for new Voter ID. That's a tiny 3% of the 2 MILLION people who lack the right ID to vote under the Govt's new rules. https://t.co/ZiuOOPVW9c" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1651126548680830976)

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/342988089_609784647736362_1310299275232251_n.jpg?_ nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=WMYZ_vlkQDAAX9hw2tu&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfDKYbE_LG6COJ2XuL6O96kE3ZaRnCMTaaM4JaHNZOGg kg&oe=644F4CFE

Utterly shocking display of tribal politics last night in East Renfrewshire Council.

Independent Councillor Cllr David Macdonald proposed a motion to call for a ban on disposable vapes. This was supported by the East Renfrewshire SNP (https://www.facebook.com/EastRenfrewshireSNP?__cft__[0]=AZV6YeDL8m9VV5Re_cajXzozc49FlnhTvI9zX9yoXGEHqMBkO LaKylcN4c7I6KJO1m1dcJ7XdRu4pIJ_8S75LadjrFoHRLvvy8a k-JsLIjMCx3rTDh0L4mOXBUlUePvuBoiMZ06X3hj72uyqsUYGHUk SGOk2OoiZXWQKaEKpxNrr4RgMshFxJKMCmM93gN-T95f_Tt5s9xDruoIprV8sNfEMSNC86ssojY7Ql5xqYHl07g&__tn__=-]K*F) group

Eastwood Labour and East Renfrewshire Conservatives voted against this motion despite it going through 7 other councils unopposed and supported by members of all parties.

In East Renfrewshire Council, it’s clear Labour are in administration but the Tories are in charge

[grunt]

BBC Chairman Richard Sharp resigning

[Stairway 2 7]

Doctors are leaving the UK at an alarming rate. When strikes are announced some people say if they don't like their wages tell them to get another job. Unfortunately for the uk they do as they have an easily transferable profession

https://www.ft.com/content/f0fe5dcc-3797-4796-a19e-a2ee6c1b7be9

[Moulin Yarns]

Doctors are leaving the UK at an alarming rate. When strikes are announced some people say if they don't like their wages tell them to get another job. Unfortunately for the uk they do as they have an easily transferable profession

https://www.ft.com/content/f0fe5dcc-3797-4796-a19e-a2ee6c1b7be9



Meanwhile....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65420882


At least 24 nhs doctors stranded in Sudan and refused a flight back to 'great' Britain.

[Bostonhibby]

BBC Chairman Richard Sharp resigningThe curse of Bozo, the merest contact is usually enough.

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[Santa Cruz]

BBC Chairman Richard Sharp resigning

I'd scrap all political appointments in every area. The process of shortlisting then appointing leads to speculation which doesn't provide stability in public service organisations. Every position should be appointed purely on merit imo. It's a problem waiting to happen for all political parties.

[Bostonhibby]

I'd scrap all political appointments in every area. The process of shortlisting then appointing leads to speculation which doesn't provide stability in public service organisations. Every position should be appointed purely on merit imo. It's a problem waiting to happen for all political parties.Amen to that.

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[ronaldo7]

Tory party conference and hand picked journalists. :greengrin

Connor Gillies Sky news.

Massive row erupting at the Scottish Tory conference. No10 press officers barred Scotland’s media, apart from 7 hand-picked journalists, assess to Prime Minister interview huddle.

Media forced our way in and Downing St caved. We are now in.

Xanderscribe at the National

Every Scottish journalist at the Tory conference just voted to reject terms laid down by No 10: either Rishi Sunak gets asked just one question about BBC chair Richard Sharp, or he doesn’t meet us.

Absolutely wild scenes as the Conservative PM hides from media scrutiny

Laura Webster the National

Live videos and reporting from the Scottish Tory conference where Number 10 just tried to block media access to Rishi Sunak then asked journalists to DELETE TWEETS ABOUT IT

[archie]

Tory party conference and hand picked journalists. :greengrin

Connor Gillies Sky news.

Massive row erupting at the Scottish Tory conference. No10 press officers barred Scotland’s media, apart from 7 hand-picked journalists, assess to Prime Minister interview huddle.

Media forced our way in and Downing St caved. We are now in.

Xanderscribe at the National

Every Scottish journalist at the Tory conference just voted to reject terms laid down by No 10: either Rishi Sunak gets asked just one question about BBC chair Richard Sharp, or he doesn’t meet us.

Absolutely wild scenes as the Conservative PM hides from media scrutiny

Laura Webster the National

Live videos and reporting from the Scottish Tory conference where Number 10 just tried to block media access to Rishi Sunak then asked journalists to DELETE TWEETS ABOUT IT

Banning journalists is such a stupid action. Always looks bad.

[hibsbollah]

Amen to that.

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Tim Davie, ex Tory councillor is still the director general. And Sharps successor is likely also going to be equally from the Tory establishment. When Ex GB News JohnMcAndrew got made Head of News last year the writing was on the wall, Nothing will change here.

[Ozyhibby]

Banning journalists is such a stupid action. Always looks bad.

Especially when they’ve been screaming about transparency for weeks.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/343762836_246837637880117_1392071852277442238_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=qIEAl-eG8okAX-T15ZL&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCQxg3qf2M1Y03v3R95wgXoqhZrLuZkevzYw0p2yGxj-g&oe=644FBA69

[hibsbollah]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/343762836_246837637880117_1392071852277442238_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=qIEAl-eG8okAX-T15ZL&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCQxg3qf2M1Y03v3R95wgXoqhZrLuZkevzYw0p2yGxj-g&oe=644FBA69


I’ve lost track of what he’s allowed to say and what he isn’t.

[archie]

Especially when they’ve been screaming about transparency for weeks.


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Unfortunately the SNP gave them an open goal.

[grunt]

Unfortunately the SNP gave them an open goal.
That is of course complete and utter bollocks.

[degenerated]

Tory party conference and hand picked journalists. :greengrin

Connor Gillies Sky news.

Massive row erupting at the Scottish Tory conference. No10 press officers barred Scotland’s media, apart from 7 hand-picked journalists, assess to Prime Minister interview huddle.

Media forced our way in and Downing St caved. We are now in.

Xanderscribe at the National

Every Scottish journalist at the Tory conference just voted to reject terms laid down by No 10: either Rishi Sunak gets asked just one question about BBC chair Richard Sharp, or he doesn’t meet us.

Absolutely wild scenes as the Conservative PM hides from media scrutiny

Laura Webster the National

Live videos and reporting from the Scottish Tory conference where Number 10 just tried to block media access to Rishi Sunak then asked journalists to DELETE TWEETS ABOUT ITI see the Tories have turned up in their tens for this. 26699

[Bostonhibby]

Tim Davie, ex Tory councillor is still the director general. And Sharps successor is likely also going to be equally from the Tory establishment. When Ex GB News JohnMcAndrew got made Head of News last year the writing was on the wall, Nothing will change here.Yep it's been deliberately turned into a nest of Nasty party vipers, or in the case of the DG the nasties found him something he could be appointed to rather than he could attempt to win on merit.

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[Bostonhibby]

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/uncategorized/richard-sharp-receives-invitation-to-the-fked-by-boris-club-20230428234572?utm_source=The+Daily+Mash+Headlines&utm_campaign=f301e058c1-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_04_28_11_51&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6c9c2fcf0b-f301e058c1-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D

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[He's here!]

Banning journalists is such a stupid action. Always looks bad.

Especially as Sunak made quite a funny joke (for him) about Sturgeon learning to drive and the motorhome. You'd think with the SNP floundering so haplessly the Tories would want as much media coverage around that sort of thing as possible.

Think the SNP relented over the media ban on the leadership hustings?

[He's here!]

That is of course complete and utter bollocks.

Lying about membership numbers, publicly ridiculing a journalist who reported the huge drop-off correctly, then having to admit they lied. That's not an open goal for opponents?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Especially as Sunak made quite a funny joke (for him) about Sturgeon learning to drive and the motorhome. You'd think with the SNP floundering so haplessly the Tories would want as much media coverage around that sort of thing as possible.

Think the SNP relented over the media ban on the leadership hustings?

With Richard Sharps resignation, you'd think the Tories would be trying to distance themselves from any influence over media coverage as much as possible.

[archie]

That is of course complete and utter bollocks.

I would say my Head of Comms resigning because he was put in the position of lying to journalists, which in turn led to the resignation of the Chief Exec, was an own goal.

[grunt]

I would say my Head of Comms resigning because he was put in the position of lying to journalists, which in turn led to the resignation of the Chief Exec, was an own goal.
If we were discussing the SNP, then it might be relevant. But we're not.

[grunt]

Rishi Sunak says that Italy's far-right PM shares our "values."

Georgia Meloni has previously:


Said that white Italians are victims of an 'ethnic replacement'
Restricted the rights of gay parents
Pushed antisemitic conspiracy theories



https://bylinetimes.com/2023/04/28/rishi-sunaks-new-far-right-ally-and-the-international-authoritarian-elite/

[hibsbollah]

Rishi Sunak says that Italy's far-right PM shares our "values."

Georgia Meloni has previously:


Said that white Italians are victims of an 'ethnic replacement'
Restricted the rights of gay parents
Pushed antisemitic conspiracy theories



https://bylinetimes.com/2023/04/28/rishi-sunaks-new-far-right-ally-and-the-international-authoritarian-elite/

Meloni, Ron de Santis, Netanyahu…seems like HM Government is enjoying welcoming the lunatic fringe on official visits :aok:

[grunt]

Packed hall.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu0HGaDXsAIY-nx?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Kato]

Packed hall.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu0HGaDXsAIY-nx?format=jpg&name=900x900Craig Levien's testimonial match got more than that, just.

He got two didn't he?

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[archie]

If we were discussing the SNP, then it might be relevant. But we're not.

It was linked to Ozyhibby's point that the Tories had been 'screaming for transparency' which was related to the SNP.

[gbhibby]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/343762836_246837637880117_1392071852277442238_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=qIEAl-eG8okAX-T15ZL&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCQxg3qf2M1Y03v3R95wgXoqhZrLuZkevzYw0p2yGxj-g&oe=644FBA69
Give Gary the job

[grunt]

It was linked to Ozyhibby's point that the Tories had been 'screaming for transparency' which was related to the SNP.
Are you having difficulty staying on track? This is a thread about the Tories and how they lie all the time.

[archie]

Are you having difficulty staying on track? This is a thread about the Tories and how they lie all the time.

No difficulty at all. I am, however, able to understand interrelationships. It was Ozyhibby who raised the fact that the SNP had been criticised for transparency. He linked that to how the Tories were behaving today. In that context it's reasonable to opine on how the SNP gave them an open goal. You can hold views on more than one thing at a time. Had the SNP not handed their opponents an open goal they would have a stronger platform to criticise the Tories. See how things join up?

[Glory Lurker]

Sorry, Archie, but I think you're pushing the wrong argument.

Ozy responded to a post about the Tories banning press and how that undermined their fury about the SNP's lack of transparency. Pretty fair observation,I'd say, even if I would say that, wouldn't I? :-)

You said the SNP had given them an open goal. They did, but that wasn't what ozy was saying. It was the hypocrisy he was calling out.

Two things...

1. Ozy of course could say all this himself. I hope I've got him right.

2. And apologies to you if I've got this wrong, but are you not a Labour man?

[archie]

Sorry, Archie, but I think you're pushing the wrong argument.

Ozy responded to a post about the Tories banning press and how that undermined their fury about the SNP's lack of transparency. Pretty fair observation,I'd say, even if I would say that, wouldn't I? :-)

You said the SNP had given them an open goal. They did, but that wasn't what ozy was saying. It was the hypocrisy he was calling out.

Two things...

1. Ozy of course could say all this himself. I hope I've got him right.

2. And apologies to you if I've got this wrong, but are you not a Labour man?

Nothing to apologise for! My point was similar. While the Tories behaviour was ridiculous, the SNP's ability to criticise was tempered by their own self inflicted issues.

[Ozyhibby]

Sorry, Archie, but I think you're pushing the wrong argument.

Ozy responded to a post about the Tories banning press and how that undermined their fury about the SNP's lack of transparency. Pretty fair observation,I'd say, even if I would say that, wouldn't I? :-)

You said the SNP had given them an open goal. They did, but that wasn't what ozy was saying. It was the hypocrisy he was calling out.

Two things...

1. Ozy of course could say all this himself. I hope I've got him right.

2. And apologies to you if I've got this wrong, but are you not a Labour man?

Yes I was talking about the hypocrisy. Although I could have pointed out that it’s another case of Scots being treated as second class citizens. Keep being told he’s our PM as well but only English press allowed to question him.


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[Jones28]

Rumours on Twitter is Boris Johnson is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.

[Stairway 2 7]

Rumours on Twitter is Boris Johnson is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.

Can't see it unfortunately. His income has exploded since he stopped being PM. He made an insane £5 million from doing talks in America in the 6 months post being PM

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/boris-johnson-millions-prime-minister-earnings/

[Kato]

Can't see it unfortunately. His income has exploded since he stopped being PM. He made an insane £5 million from doing talks in America in the 6 months post being PM

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/boris-johnson-millions-prime-minister-earnings/He did owe a lot of money though. £800,000 to the friend of Richard Sharp for a start.

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[Just Alf]

Nasty party right enough....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/30/tory-councillors-suspended-alleged-racism-standing-local-elections?CMP=share_btn_link

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/pattern-of-behaviour-emerging-about-interests-of-rishi-sunaks-wife-says-sir-keir-starmer-12870806

More blatant corruption in the UK govt.


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[Kato]

https://news.sky.com/story/pattern-of-behaviour-emerging-about-interests-of-rishi-sunaks-wife-says-sir-keir-starmer-12870806

More blatant corruption in the UK govt.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThere will a tent in their front garden tomorrow looking for snider pens and pots and pans and other things starting with p.

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[Mibbes Aye]

There will a tent in their front garden tomorrow looking for snider pens and pots and pans and other things starting with p.

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It will be a fruitless search if they are looking for probity

[Kato]

Spanish authorities charging Michelle Mone's husband with fraud.

It'll never catch on in the UK.


https://www.thenational.scot/news/23197683.michelle-mones-husband-facing-fraud-charges-spanish-criminal-case/?ref=twtrec

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[grunt]

It's all in the preparation and the attention to detail.

https://twitter.com/adamjschwarz/status/1653847899057340419?s=61&t=-BLvE2XlsyxZYcSjKNkxtg

[CropleyWasGod]

Apparently, Braverman is a follower of Triratna Buddhism.

That's Buddhism, as in a devotee of Buddha.... the enlightened one, the awakened one.

Woke Suella :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

should be another fine for the tw@t

Boris Johnson appears not to wear seatbelt in moving car in 'repeat of Rishi Sunak gaffe' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-appears-not-wear-29894048?fbclid=IwAR0F0NeWbSCq-wfAoInQiCNmiF72H8GUEKE7HBqEOE6_gyuupwsnLI7RZ_s)

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvmmGhBXwAE7Rtd?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

Liz Truss and her principles. Don't like them? She has others ...

1. "Abolish the monarchy!"

https://twitter.com/Hugh_Janus888/status/1655298729778315272?s=20

2. Attending the coronation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvjNbUHXgAQnB3I?format=jpg&name=medium

[Kato]

Liz Truss and her principles. Don't like them? She has others ...

1. "Abolish the monarchy!"

https://twitter.com/Hugh_Janus888/status/1655298729778315272?s=20

2. Attending the coronation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvjNbUHXgAQnB3I?format=jpg&name=mediumPeople are entitled to change their mind. I wonder what she changed given she lost her mind years ago. [emoji848]

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[grunt]

When growing up I used to think of The Telegraph as a serious newspaper.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvwYl0FXsAAB113?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

The Tories and their disgusting Illegal Migrations Bill. The view from the UNHCR.

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/media/unhcr-legal-observations-illegal-migration-bill-02-may-2023

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvwlsNRWwAcOGT0?format=jpg&name=medium

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-refoulement

[JimBHibees]

The Tories and their disgusting Illegal Migrations Bill. The view from the UNHCR.

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/media/unhcr-legal-observations-illegal-migration-bill-02-may-2023

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvwlsNRWwAcOGT0?format=jpg&name=medium

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-refoulement

Sums up exactly where we are going as does the recent critique of the bill against demonstrations. The fact there is very little apparent shock and shame clearly identifies the paucity of integrity in the media

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/345599303_615193650645039_7092474393426700976_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=_5WX7_LL05oAX_9-QM9&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCvN8daV82rhpGFjDD9IJYGsrhWGJ5P4qTM90dXnUsH gQ&oe=64608DBE


i was going to say the sooner they're out the better, but we have Starmer,along with Streeting, both accepting donations from Yank private health companies, and i'm sure everyone now realises Starmer's Labour won't be reapealing any nasty Tory bills....they'll probably go one step further, old labour came up with the NHS, Starmer's labour will destroy it by carrying on the good work of their friends across the benches

[cabbageandribs1875]

Migration bill 'morally unacceptable', archbishop says - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-65541788)


The bill as it stands is "'morally unacceptable and politically impractical", he says.

The Illegal Migration Bill was passed by MPs last month, but is expected to run into significant opposition in the House of Lords.

Home Secretary Suella Braverman has said the bill represents "the will of the British people".


what a loady

[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65401587

Boris Johnson's taxpayer-funded legal bill rises to £245,000

[grunt]

https://t.co/vjDuDJS0j7

Tory police and crime commissioner triggered two investigations into political opponents during election bid.

[Ozyhibby]

https://t.co/vjDuDJS0j7

Tory police and crime commissioner triggered two investigations into political opponents during election bid.

Wonder where he got the idea?


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[CropleyWasGod]

Okay, I know it's not the Tories, but I'm not making a new thread for UKIP :greengrin

Found this rather amusing......

https://twitter.com/simonrbolton/status/1657041446208249861

(click on the link in Simon Bolton's tweet to get the context, and then go back to his comment :greengrin)

[Hiber-nation]

Okay, I know it's not the Tories, but I'm not making a new thread for UKIP :greengrin

Found this rather amusing......

https://twitter.com/simonrbolton/status/1657041446208249861

(click on the link in Simon Bolton's tweet to get the context, and then go back to his comment :greengrin)

That is astonishing 😂😂😂

[cabbageandribs1875]

indeed https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/345650749_161018170030899_827563416267505155_n.png ?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=-jGxKMh20bEAX9n8o54&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfAKYp4WGsjo-Nd1FuoAj5TQMkyGFpVHtNK6q0pBLostSQ&oe=6465D887

[cabbageandribs1875]

shockerooni

Tory MP Adam Afriyie who repeatedly promoted vaping didn’t declare wife’s shares in vape retailer (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/tory-mp-adam-afriyie-who-repeatedly-promoted-vaping-didn-t-declare-wife-s-shares-in-vape-retailer/ar-AA1b70J3?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=919c817a4701442e84a4551d5a378337&ei=29)

[Mibbes Aye]

indeed

Good old National. Making things up. The SNP/indy brethren are really pissed off at Starmer saying he wants nothing to do with them. Tick tock :greengrin

Here's what Starmer actually said....

"...We must understand there are precious things – in our way of life, in our environment, in our communities – that it is our responsibility to protect and preserve and to pass on to future generations.....and if that sounds conservative, then let me tell you: I don’t care"

And the line about DNA isn't related to that section, it was about building on what Tony Blair did with Clause IV

[grunt]

It's annoying when the media misrepresent the words of politicians from parties that you support, isn't it? Welcome to the everyday world of the SNP supporter.

[Kato]

Good old National. Making things up. The SNP/indy brethren are really pissed off at Starmer saying he wants nothing to do with them. Tick tock :greengrin

Here's what Starmer actually said....

"...We must understand there are precious things – in our way of life, in our environment, in our communities – that it is our responsibility to protect and preserve and to pass on to future generations.....and if that sounds conservative, then let me tell you: I don’t care"

And the line about DNA isn't related to that section, it was about building on what Tony Blair did with Clause IVIt sounds conservationist. Whether that's the same as conservative is up for debate. What I will say is the Torys since 2010 haven't been very conservationist - they have wrecked so much. Preserved their magic money banks on the little islands though.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

oh dear

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fv9XB4XWAAMdx7k?format=jpg&name=small

[Bostonhibby]

oh dear

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fv9XB4XWAAMdx7k?format=jpg&name=smallExcept the Russian nasty party donators who seem to have slipped effortlessly into Kensington, Belgravia etc. without ever having the inconvenience of even being EU citizens and therefore entitled to move here freely, or having to paddle across the channel for the privilege.

However did they get here? And why are they allowed to stay, not having sought asylum and in light of our government's hard line on all things Russian?

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[Mibbes Aye]

It's annoying when the media misrepresent the words of politicians from parties that you support, isn't it? Welcome to the everyday world of the SNP supporter.

"Welcome" ???

The UK press has had a predominantly anti-Labour stance since the party was formed. That's a good many years before the Duke of Montrose and some other angry men met in a bothy and formed the SNP. We just get on with it though.

Anyway, i wasn't talking about the media, I was talking about the National. My old school magazine had better quality of writing (and much greater accuracy and balance) :greengrin

[Jones28]

oh dear

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fv9XB4XWAAMdx7k?format=jpg&name=small

Deal, as long as Scotland can rejoin the EU.

[grunt]

Anyway, i wasn't talking about the media, I was talking about the National. :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

Disgusting. Hundreds turned away unable to vote due to not having ID

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-65547670

[grunt]

Disgusting. Hundreds turned away unable to vote due to not having ID

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-65547670And that number doesn't include those who never even bothered to go because they knew they didn't have the ID.