Tories are still lying *******s

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jul/14/rishi-sunak-force-english-universities-cap-low-value-degrees

UK govt wants less to go to university.


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[Smartie]

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jul/14/rishi-sunak-force-english-universities-cap-low-value-degrees

UK govt wants less to go to university.


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I'm not actually all that against this.

I think we need to be careful about the promises we're making to those going to university.

It used to be that it would be a gateway to better prospects. I'm not convinced that it isn't a pile of debt and a waste of a few years before going for a job that you could have got a few years earlier and with much less outlay.

Or at least that was the way it was for the vast majority of my mates. We were all from the sort of backgrounds that "value education" and managed to get into some sort of university but I'd say that about a quarter to a third of us have actually benefitted from those qualifications / aborted academic careers etc. The school got to say they got x number into university, the chattering mothers got to boast about who got into where and did what but in our forties we've got folk with all sorts of qualifications doing unskilled jobs and wondering wtf exactly the point was.

It's a fun way to waste a few years whilst you're young but I'd take some convincing that it wasn't exactly that - a waste - for a large number of those who go.

I did a vocational degree but have scars of my own regarding going to uni at 17 for 6 years, ending up doing something I hate but feeling I should be grateful for it, but again, that's another story.

I appreciate that this is a controversial opinion...

[Glory Lurker]

Me neither, Smartie, so long as there is a wider availability of apprenticeships to fill the gap. I wonder though if there is actually a need for a huge influx of apprentices, given how much of a service economy we are. :-(

[cabbageandribs1875]

as if proof were needed that Wootton is one nasty vile PoS, wrote a load of tweets on Huw Edwards then started deleting them all after Edwards went in for help

Dan Wootton deletes all his Tweets about Huw Edwards and then does a runner? Does a real news channel and all its grifter presenters keep entirely silent?

In completely unrelated news, has anyone seen Dan Wootton? No word from him or GBNews?

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/360170461_10231932936688770_1412558520414833599_n. jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=100&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=aioj5Cu403EAX8J8qB5&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfA6EnivSHxuXEFWqf4L5IhB_aDZwhN4FgV9WyW78yEV 9A&oe=64B64BC4

did the same with Caroline Flack
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/359434171_10228867119757911_7338652921584149578_n. jpg?_nc_cat=109&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=GqMBcXRhP5kAX8wtPbV&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfC1QH7NODdPnlUsEdwngOAB5NTX2EYiSEpaWuatgKKS 4Q&oe=64B5A948


one of thee most vile ****s to ever come out of New Zealand :agree:

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not actually all that against this.

I think we need to be careful about the promises we're making to those going to university.

It used to be that it would be a gateway to better prospects. I'm not convinced that it isn't a pile of debt and a waste of a few years before going for a job that you could have got a few years earlier and with much less outlay.

Or at least that was the way it was for the vast majority of my mates. We were all from the sort of backgrounds that "value education" and managed to get into some sort of university but I'd say that about a quarter to a third of us have actually benefitted from those qualifications / aborted academic careers etc. The school got to say they got x number into university, the chattering mothers got to boast about who got into where and did what but in our forties we've got folk with all sorts of qualifications doing unskilled jobs and wondering wtf exactly the point was.

It's a fun way to waste a few years whilst you're young but I'd take some convincing that it wasn't exactly that - a waste - for a large number of those who go.

I did a vocational degree but have scars of my own regarding going to uni at 17 for 6 years, ending up doing something I hate but feeling I should be grateful for it, but again, that's another story.

I appreciate that this is a controversial opinion...

Depends on your expectations of what university is? It shouldn’t be just seen as a ticket to a good job. You should still have to work hard for that when you leave. I think there is still a great benefit from having an educated population. Just because you go to uni for 4 years and then end up in an office admin job I don’t think that should be seen as a waste. I don’t think we should judge value by what job you end up in? It can be hugely beneficial to you personal development as well.


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[gbhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/gillian-keegan-headteachers-should-pick-up-absent-pupils-from-home-12920515

Dearie me what planet does she inhabited


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[Stairway 2 7]

Depends on your expectations of what university is? It shouldn’t be just seen as a ticket to a good job. You should still have to work hard for that when you leave. I think there is still a great benefit from having an educated population. Just because you go to uni for 4 years and then end up in an office admin job I don’t think that should be seen as a waste. I don’t think we should judge value by what job you end up in? It can be hugely beneficial to you personal development as well.


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As long as the people going into them know this. As the vice principals said in the article capped jobs will be a red flag that they have poor prospects. This should be clear anyway. Universities have turned into money making machines more interested in profit. They are expanding at alarming rate.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://news.sky.com/story/gillian-keegan-headteachers-should-pick-up-absent-pupils-from-home-12920515

Dearie me what planet does she inhabited


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It'd insane she gets a job like education secretary, absolute clown

[gbhibby]

New addendum to Headteachers Job description must have experience in catching children

[McD]

New addendum to Headteachers Job description must have experience in catching children


what’s also comical is the basic logistics of this - when I was at high school, there was roughly 730ish pupils any given year, that same school(ish) now caters to over 1000 I believe. If even 5 percent are absent, that’s about 50 pupils, so are the head teachers driving a double decker bus? Not to mention the time involved in travelling to each of these children’s homes to check up on them and bring them to school. And if kids are skiving off, they’re not always just going to be in the house, they could be in the woods/shops/wandering about

[Since90+2]

How are they getting the kids out the house? Are they battering down the door?

[Jack]

Years late, billions over budget. Nothing in the media that compares with the forensic dissection of, for example, the SNP ferry fiasco!

UK politicians have slammed progress on the £11 billion Emergency Services Network (ESN) – the replacement blue-light mobile voice and data system – saying the government is far too optimistic about its progress and the challenges ahead.

Eight years into the delayed project – which has seen its budget swell by £6 billion – the Home Office risks repeating the mistakes it has already made, said Parliament's public spending watchdog, the Public Accounts Committee (PAC).

https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/14/pac_emergency_services_network/

[Ozyhibby]

Years late, billions over budget. Nothing in the media that compares with the forensic dissection of, for example, the SNP ferry fiasco!

UK politicians have slammed progress on the £11 billion Emergency Services Network (ESN) – the replacement blue-light mobile voice and data system – saying the government is far too optimistic about its progress and the challenges ahead.

Eight years into the delayed project – which has seen its budget swell by £6 billion – the Home Office risks repeating the mistakes it has already made, said Parliament's public spending watchdog, the Public Accounts Committee (PAC).

https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/14/pac_emergency_services_network/

I’m sure the BBC will be all over this for months on end the way they have with the late boats. [emoji849]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Love **** on **** action. Ben Wallace told Sunak 4 weeks ago he'd be leaving at next election, he said hed announce it at the end of the summer. Rishis team yesterday released that Wallace was going to be dropped from cabinet at next reshuffle and he should step down. Wallace is furious so announces early before by-elections and says its his decision

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1680274715150098434

[archie]

Love **** on **** action. Ben Wallace told Sunak 4 weeks ago he'd be leaving at next election, he said hed announce it at the end of the summer. Rishis team yesterday released that Wallace was going to be dropped from cabinet at next reshuffle and he should step down. Wallace is furious so announces early before by-elections and says its his decision

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1680274715150098434

Good grief!

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1680462624352358401?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1680462624352358401?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThey might be a disaster on most areas but they're pretty consistent on the being investigated for sexual offences front.

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[grunt]

If the lying Tories can't send migrants to Rwanda, they have a Plan B up their lying sleeves:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1JcyPsXoAEAOqp?format=jpg&name=medium

[Ozyhibby]

If the lying Tories can't send migrants to Rwanda, they have a Plan B up their lying sleeves:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1JcyPsXoAEAOqp?format=jpg&name=medium

They can’t, we haven’t built the ferries to get them there.


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[grunt]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-left-with-extremely-limited-numbers-of-combat-equipment/

The lying Tory Government - and specifically that lying Tory git Francois - blaming the MoD for UK defence procurement problems, including the botched Ajax tank procurement. They may well be right, and the MoD may be at fault, but does that absolve the lying Tory Government of responsibility? Are they the Government or not?


In consequence, despite Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the UK has been left with “an extremely limited reserve of fighting equipment, including warships, modern armoured vehicles or combat aircraft.”

[grunt]

Sturgeon stayed in a £500 / night hotel in London and it's front page news. But lying liar Sunak travels everywhere in private jets and helicopters and refuses to reveal the details.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-private-jets-cost-taxpayer-b2370688.html


One of the most recent entries published in the ministers’ transparency log shows that Mr Sunak took a private jet to the Cop27 climate summit in Egypt in November last year, costing the taxpayer £107,966.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1680462624352358401?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThere will be days of headlines and calls to close down the Tory Party after that.

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[Just Alf]

There will be days of headlines and calls to close down the Tory Party after that.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkAnd tents, there will be tents :agree:

[CropleyWasGod]

If the lying Tories can't send migrants to Rwanda, they have a Plan B up their lying sleeves:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1JcyPsXoAEAOqp?format=jpg&name=medium

If they're working, it might help to solve our under-population issues. :greengrin

[grunt]

If they're working, it might help to solve our under-population issues. :greengrin
I must say, I'm not completely opposed to the idea. What I found more distasteful was the implication that "remote Scottish islands" would do as well as Rwanda in getting rid of the far right's problems. It's a case of "out of sight, out of mind" and it shows the lying Tory right wing approach to Scotland, expecting us to take what they don't want.

[Moulin Yarns]

I must say, I'm not completely opposed to the idea. What I found more distasteful was the implication that "remote Scottish islands" would do as well as Rwanda in getting rid of the far right's problems. It's a case of "out of sight, out of mind" and it shows the lying Tory right wing approach to Scotland, expecting us to take what they don't want.



I wonder if the government has investigated what accommodation is available in the remote scottish islands. Maybe they will be shipped to St Kilda or Rockall?

[Rumble de Thump]

I must say, I'm not completely opposed to the idea. What I found more distasteful was the implication that "remote Scottish islands" would do as well as Rwanda in getting rid of the far right's problems. It's a case of "out of sight, out of mind" and it shows the lying Tory right wing approach to Scotland, expecting us to take what they don't want.

It has the same vibe as Greg Abbott and Ted Cruz arranging buses to take hundreds of migrants out of Texas and dump them in Washington DC and other predominantly Democtratic areas.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's the Conservatives giving a dog whistle to try and win their racist section of voters. They know its not happening in a million years but want their lap dogs in the sun to publish. Unfortunately the **** bags they are trying to entice with it aren't interested enough, just like with Rwanda. They are more interested in the record number of small boats coming and the record levels of immigration recorded

[Glory Lurker]

Are any "Scottish" tories supporting this? I'd love to hear the justification from a local voice.

[Smartie]

I must say, I'm not completely opposed to the idea. What I found more distasteful was the implication that "remote Scottish islands" would do as well as Rwanda in getting rid of the far right's problems. It's a case of "out of sight, out of mind" and it shows the lying Tory right wing approach to Scotland, expecting us to take what they don't want.

Yeah, when you start to scratch the surface it seems possible that there might be a win / win / win situation to be had.

Obviously it would need to be thought through but there might be some merit in the idea.

[Ozyhibby]

Yeah, when you start to scratch the surface it seems possible that there might be a win / win / win situation to be had.

Obviously it would need to be thought through but there might be some merit in the idea.

You would need to devolve immigration so it will never happen.


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[Jones28]

If the lying Tories can't send migrants to Rwanda, they have a Plan B up their lying sleeves:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1JcyPsXoAEAOqp?format=jpg&name=medium

So instead of keeping working she, potential contributors to society in parts of the country where they could find work and help out with our chronic labour shortage they want to send them to Shetland and the outer Hebrides?

I’m intrigued as to where these ****ing idiots think they’re going to be housed.

[Moulin Yarns]

So instead of keeping working she, potential contributors to society in parts of the country where they could find work and help out with our chronic labour shortage they want to send them to Shetland and the outer Hebrides?

I’m intrigued as to where these ****ing idiots think they’re going to be housed.


Rockall and St Kilda.

[Hibrandenburg]

Nadine Dorries has now taken longer to resign than Liz Truss was PM.

[Ozyhibby]

Nadine Dorries has now taken longer to resign than Liz Truss was PM.

I think she’ll hang on till the election. Her two daughters are on £40k a year at our expense as well. They want to hang it out to the end, especially as they are not actually having to work for it.


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[Bostonhibby]

I think she’ll hang on till the election. Her two daughters are on £40k a year at our expense as well. They want to hang it out to the end, especially as they are not actually having to work for it.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkFor any nasty party supporters out there, I just feel the need to say, once again, here's some more evidence that they are laughing at us.....

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[grunt]

Tory MP in charge of scrutinising British media hosted drinks event for GB News

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/17/tory-culture-committee-chair-caroline-dinenage-hosted-drinks-event-for-gb-news?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[grunt]

I'm almost out of words to describe my disgust at this criminal Tory Government.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/07/uk-illegal-migration-bill-un-refugee-agency-and-un-human-rights-office-warn


The Illegal Migration Bill, which has now been passed by Parliament in the United Kingdom, is at variance with the country’s obligations under international human rights and refugee law and will have profound consequences for people in need of international protection, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk and UN High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi warned today.

The Bill extinguishes access to asylum in the UK for anyone who arrives irregularly, having passed through a country – however briefly – where they did not face persecution. It bars them from presenting refugee protection or other human rights claims, no matter how compelling their circumstances. In addition, it requires their removal to another country, with no guarantee that they will necessarily be able to access protection there. It creates sweeping new detention powers, with limited judicial oversight.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1681312101598650377?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak stops the boats.[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


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[grunt]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1681312101598650377?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak stops the boats.[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]

I'd like to have more info about Forth Ports refusing to allow the ship to dock in Edinburgh.

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1681312101598650377?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak stops the boats.[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalka major screw up with 2 massive ferries?

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[Just Alf]

I'd like to have more info about Forth Ports refusing to allow the ship to dock in Edinburgh.The cruise berths already have bookings going into next year, whilst there's space right now, docking a ship in one of them semi permanently would have meant cancellation of existing bookings with a knock on effect on folks holidays and the a reduction in cruise liner passengers visiting Edinburgh.

Edit: as advised by a contractor who works indirectly for Forth.

[McSwanky]

The cruise berths already have bookings going into next year, whilst there's space right now, docking a ship in one of them semi permanently would have meant cancellation of existing bookings with a knock on effect on folks holidays and the a reduction in cruise liner passengers visiting Edinburgh.

Edit: as advised by a contractor who works indirectly for Forth.So either this is extreme incompetence from the government, or the whole thing has been designed to stoke yet more grievance. Or both.

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[Bostonhibby]

a major screw up with 2 massive ferries?

Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkThey really need to bring back Chris Grayling to deal with all ferry matters.

This never would have happened on his watch as he only pays millions for ferries that don't exist.

No trouble docking them

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[grunt]

Why is no one in the media asking who Charlotte Owen is and why she got a peerage?

[Moulin Yarns]

Why is no one in the media asking who Charlotte Owen is and why she got a peerage?

She was an aide to a few tory mps for about 9 months. That's all you need to know.

[grunt]

She was an aide to a few tory mps for about 9 months. That's all you need to know.I would like to know more. What has she done to merit this "honour"? Why should she be responsible for shaping our laws for the rest of her life?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

I would like to know more. What has she done to merit this "honour"? Why should she be responsible for shaping our laws for the rest of her life?

She "worked" with Boris Johnson for a few months. I'm sure he made her earn it.

[Ozyhibby]

She "worked" with Boris Johnson for a few months. I'm sure he made her earn it.

Sounds like she earned her spot more than most.[emoji2961]


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[Moulin Yarns]

I would like to know more. What has she done to merit this "honour"? Why should she be responsible for shaping our laws for the rest of her life?

Made them coffee and got the mail.

[Hibrandenburg]

Made them coffee and got the mail.

You've spelt male wrong.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Made them coffee and got the mail.


You've spelt male wrong.

The "invited in for coffee" routine.

[Stairway 2 7]

The insinuation all over the Internet is its his daughter and they have a super injunction. Could be mince

https://twitter.com/dcbcherrygate/status/1681586759199604736

[grunt]

The insinuation all over the Internet is its his daughter and they have a super injunction. Could be mince
I think it is mince. I think he's just picked someone from his office, nice looking young lady, made her a peer because he can. He's saying to the country, "I can do this, I don't need a reason, and you can't stop me". It's two fingers to the country.

He should be in jail.

[lapsedhibee]

I think it is mince. I think he's just picked someone from his office, nice looking young lady, made her a peer because he can. He's saying to the country, "I can do this, I don't need a reason, and you can't stop me". It's two fingers to the country.

He should be in jail.

A question is, if that's true she must know it's true, and why then isn't she turning it down? Maybe she wants to be known as the youngest ever life peer, but shirley she doesn't also want to be known for her whole life as the most jocularly/corruptedly-appointed?

He should be in jail.

[Ozyhibby]

A question is, if that's true she must know it's true, and why then isn't she turning it down? Maybe she wants to be known as the youngest ever life peer, but shirley she doesn't also want to be known for her whole life as the most jocularly/corruptedly-appointed?

He should be in jail.

I doubt she is worried about reputation. The title will allow her to live very comfortably the rest of her life. The will be offers of directorships, consultancies etc.
it’s a license to print money.


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[neil7908]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-66251947

I completely missed his original comments - how the hell is this not front page news?

If this was someone on the left it would be on the front page of every tabloid calling them a traitor and terrorist sympathetiser.

[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-66251947

I completely missed his original comments - how the hell is this not front page news?

If this was someone on the left it would be on the front page of every tabloid calling them a traitor and terrorist sympathetiser.He's apologised, says he "got it wrong", and deleted the video.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1crJnnX0AAs_qZ?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

10 days after deadline, Johnson has still to provide his WhatsApp messages to the COVID inquiry.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

10 days after deadline, Johnson has still to provide his WhatsApp messages to the COVID inquiry.

He's obviously hoping that we'll forget all about it, as are his friends leading the inquiry.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1682023211876376576?t=Jpq61VT4pjuAFrlKi21v2Q&s=09

Cheating during the run up to today's by elections. Not that anything will be done of course.

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[grunt]

He's obviously hoping that we'll forget all about it, as are his friends leading the inquiry.
I don't think Baroness Hallett is any friend of Johnson's.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

I don't think Baroness Hallett is any friend of Johnson's.

Seems to be giving him all the time in the world though. I wonder if she was this lenient on regular members of the public when she was a judge.

[grunt]

Seems to be giving him all the time in the world though. I wonder if she was this lenient on regular members of the public when she was a judge.
I'm not sure what else she can do. There's already a court order which he has breached.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not sure what else she can do. There's already a court order which he has breached.

There is surely some sort of penalty for ignoring a court order though? Otherwise, what’s the point?


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

There is surely some sort of penalty for ignoring a court order though? Otherwise, what’s the point?

There would be. For any regular members of the public. But just like Trump in the US, it'll be dragged out for as long as possible in the hope that he croaks it before ever seeing the back of a cell.

[weecounty hibby]

I'm not sure what else she can do. There's already a court order which he has breached.

Warrant issued for his arrest for contempt. K ock on his door. Big blue tent up in his garden. Seems to be the way of things. Sadly as a Tory who attended Eton he has a cloak of invincibility that he deploys regularly with help from the media and his friends

[grunt]

Warrant issued for his arrest for contempt. K ock on his door. Big blue tent up in his garden.

I don't think the chair of the COVID inquiry is in a position to do any of those things.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

I don't think the chair of the COVID inquiry is in a position to do any of those things.

The MET is. But you can't go after your own boss.

[weecounty hibby]

I don't think the chair of the COVID inquiry is in a position to do any of those things.
There is a court order which means he is in contempt of court for not following the order

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/marinapurkiss/status/1681940609227956225?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Some cheek going on about ferries all the time.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

https://twitter.com/marinapurkiss/status/1681940609227956225?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Some cheek going on about ferries all the time.


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It's like they're over-inflating the cost on purpose to fuel the anti-migrant rhetoric.

[Kato]

It's like they're over-inflating the cost on purpose to fuel the anti-migrant rhetoric.That's it.

The parallel policy is to put hotels/boats near areas they know will amplify bitter nimbyism. They'll be hoping for (ie manufacturing) escalating dissent against brown people. Couple that with existing racism and post-brexit bravado/rhetoric their culture war on that front is on target for the next election.

One of their more knuckle headed MPs admitted they had lost the argument on the economy so they'd be fighting the next election on culture wars, referring to trans.

I'm expecting huge amounts of faux-rage, "FURY" headlines and dollops of fake patriotism - the patriotism mainly coming from MPs financed by russian cash of course.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Let's see what's in boris messages then now they are in

https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1682395662342840321

[cabbageandribs1875]

pond life, all of them, this poster will be replaced by Sir Kid Starver and his right wing if they get power

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/362665326_10158868628416619_7890787770330049733_n. jpg?_nc_cat=102&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=59yoP3VBvSAAX-FNiZr&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfBAJzWnvqVRWOEiDQP4tKKAF8dyBNIRGu20cmhPfo5h Jg&oe=64C0FE4B

[AgentDaleCooper]

Now Gove is testing the water for the Tories to become the 'anti-net zero' party. I suppose they've profited from genocides throughout history, might as well go all in on the actual apocalypse...

[Stairway 2 7]

Now Gove is testing the water for the Tories to become the 'anti-net zero' party. I suppose they've profited from genocides throughout history, might as well go all in on the actual apocalypse...

They definitely will. Even if Labour win the next election after that will be around the time petrol cars will stop being sold.

[grunt]

Suella Braverman refuses plea of man barred from UK to be reunited with son

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/23/suella-braverman-refuses-plea-of-man-barred-from-uk-to-be-reunited-with-son-siyabonga-twala?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[Glory Lurker]

Now Gove is testing the water for the Tories to become the 'anti-net zero' party. I suppose they've profited from genocides throughout history, might as well go all in on the actual apocalypse...

I think Sir Keir is of the same mind.

[Stairway 2 7]

Interesting thread on polling for net zero

https://twitter.com/LukeTryl/status/1683165181277351938


Robert Colvile
@rcolvile
A lot of people on the Right saying the Tories need to ditch Net Zero after Uxbridge (just like they ditched planning reform after Chesham & Amersham). On the polling evidence, they're getting WAY over their skis. Quick thread

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/1683190463929393152?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Top trolling from Murdo. Europes far right parties could only dream of trying to implement the policies of the conservatives.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/1683190463929393152?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Top trolling from Murdo. Europes far right parties could only dream of trying to implement the policies of the conservatives.


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Yes while admittedly these parties are further right, they are usually on the fringe. Tories have the freedom to carry out lots of vile policy. There's a few exceptions like Poland and Italy who have far right main parties.

We'll probably get Labour for 5 years who are centre right but it's definitely still a worry in Europe. Spain was close and there's rumours cdu will work with ADF in Germany. Its a shame people fall for bile during tough economic times

[Ozyhibby]

Yes while admittedly these parties are further right, they are usually on the fringe. Tories have the freedom to carry out lots of vile policy. There's a few exceptions like Poland and Italy who have far right main parties.

We'll probably get Labour for 5 years who are centre right but it's definitely still a worry in Europe. Spain was close and there's rumours cdu will work with ADF in Germany. Its a shame people fall for bile during tough economic times

Turned out he was wrong (is he ever right?) and the far right in Spain didn’t win and the socialists had a good night.


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[grunt]

But the ferries ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1ytoDSWYAEOJYy?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ppe-company-of-former-tory-councillor-owes-5-5m-in-tax-327v85wgm?shareToken=f6ea665f608a4fae4f2fdabcb47c7 08d


PPE company of former Tory councillor ‘owes £5.5m in tax’

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ppe-company-of-former-tory-councillor-owes-5-5m-in-tax-327v85wgm?shareToken=f6ea665f608a4fae4f2fdabcb47c7 08d

This is what’s so frustrating about Labour. Fair enough if he thinks he can’t commit to spending but he should at least be describing plans for cleaning up the massive amounts of fraud that has taken over every function of government now. This does not cost money and has the potential to save billions but there is nothing from them on it. It’s just carry on as before.


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[Smartie]

This is what’s so frustrating about Labour. Fair enough if he thinks he can’t commit to spending but he should at least be describing plans for cleaning up the massive amounts of fraud that has taken over every function of government now. This does not cost money and has the potential to save billions but there is nothing from them on it. It’s just carry on as before.


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Decent "corruption bingo 2023" score in that article there for anyone who had Tory, VIP list, PPE, Cotswolds, HMRC, new tax accountants and Rangers.

[Glory Lurker]

This is what’s so frustrating about Labour. Fair enough if he thinks he can’t commit to spending but he should at least be describing plans for cleaning up the massive amounts of fraud that has taken over every function of government now. This does not cost money and has the potential to save billions but there is nothing from them on it. It’s just carry on as before.


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That is a really good point. Why isn't he campaigning on this? Would it be embarrassing for a UK election to be fought on a "clean up corruption" argument? Is it that that's a campaign that only happens in other countries, that aren't as good as us?

[Keith_M]

Yes while admittedly these parties are further right, they are usually on the fringe. Tories have the freedom to carry out lots of vile policy. There's a few exceptions like Poland and Italy who have far right main parties.

We'll probably get Labour for 5 years who are centre right but it's definitely still a worry in Europe. Spain was close and there's rumours cdu will work with ADF in Germany. Its a shame people fall for bile during tough economic times


If you mean the AFD, there's little to no chance that the CDU/CSU would make any agreement to form a government with them... under any circumstances.

I think the current leader, Merz, is more right-wing than his predecessor (currently harking on about immigration, etc) but I don't think even he would make that mistake.

[Hibrandenburg]

If you mean the AFD, there's little to no chance that the CDU/CSU would make any agreement to form a government with them... under any circumstances.

I think the current leader, Merz, is more right-wing than his predecessor (currently harking on about immigration, etc) but I don't think even he would make that mistake.

I think they're in the same predicament as the Tories were with UKIP, they're hemorrhaging votes to the AfD and the temptation to surge to the right will be immense.

[Keith_M]

I think they're in the same predicament as the Tories were with UKIP, they're hemorrhaging votes to the AfD and the temptation to surge to the right will be immense.


Very true.

I think Merz made a stupid mistake when he suggested that they might 'work with' the AFD, and is now having to backtrack on that.

Even the CSU have strongly criticised him and made it clear they view the AFD as 'ein Feind' (an enemy)

[Hibrandenburg]

Very true.

I think Merz made a stupid mistake when he suggested that they might 'work with' the AFD, and is now having to backtrack on that.

Even the CSU have strongly criticised him and made it clear they view the AFD as 'ein Feind' (an enemy)

What he said was clumsy, I think he meant that it's unavoidable that parties have to work together at Gemeinde level.

[Keith_M]

What he said was clumsy, I think he meant that it's unavoidable that parties have to work together at Gemeinde level.


:agree:

[xyz23jc]

:agree:

As far from 'Punch & Judy' Politics as you can get..! :agree:

[TrumpIsAPeado]

That is a really good point. Why isn't he campaigning on this? Would it be embarrassing for a UK election to be fought on a "clean up corruption" argument? Is it that that's a campaign that only happens in other countries, that aren't as good as us?

He won't commit to cleaning up corruption if it only serves to implicate himself.

[Stairway 2 7]

Uk to have second worst growth in g7

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23679245.imf-says-uk-will-second-worst-economy-g7-2023/

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Uk to have second worst growth in g7

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23679245.imf-says-uk-will-second-worst-economy-g7-2023/

So the Daily Express headline tomorrow will be "Britain claims victory over the Germans once again".

[Smartie]

So the Daily Express headline tomorrow will be "Britain claims victory over the Germans once again".

"2 World Wars, One World Cup and Second Worst Financial Outlook in the G7. Take that Fritz!"

[cabbageandribs1875]

(4) The Rev. Anton Mittens 🌹👮🎓 on Twitter: "Who needs transparent governance when you have PowerPoint, a good theme tune, and your own eyes. #johnsontheliar #CharlotteOwen #borisjohnson #HouseOfLords https://t.co/vEcLlADB68" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/MittensOff/status/1684111314694688772)


love the 'thanx daddy' scribble

[cabbageandribs1875]

Dorries constituency want her to resign now Council demands Nadine Dorries resigns as MP 'immediately' (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/council-demands-nadine-dorries-resigns-as-mp-immediately/ar-AA1eqAXL?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b7a583ec0668412a9f7eb15ad2ae9d15&ei=11) not even held a surgery for 40 months

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hancock was/is one slippery PoS Matt Hancock loses complaint over Mirror description of him and articles on Covid contracts (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/matt-hancock-loses-complaint-over-mirror-description-of-him-and-articles-on-covid-contracts/ar-AA1eujQf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=88016e2a11ac46dd8187bf2b7436c7f4&ei=29)

[grunt]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-owned-ppe-worth-225-30584523


NHS-owned PPE worth at least £225 million which never made it to the UK has been burned in China, releasing nearly 6,000 tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere. Analysis found incinerating the mountain of plastic-laced equipment would have pumped out as much carbon as the electricity consumption of 3,750 UK households for a year.

The UK ordered more than 30 billion items of protective-wear when the pandemic struck - with hundreds of millions of items coming from firms in China. But more than half a billion items never left China - and were still in storage at the end of last year.

[wookie70]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-owned-ppe-worth-225-30584523

Wrong on so, so many levels. Surely somewhere in the world this could have been put to some use. Mind you maybe it never existed in teh first place and it was an easy way to score a couple of hundred million from the braindead of Westminster

[grunt]

The Tories have broken Britain

https://twitter.com/BBCMBuchanan/status/1686121889876328448?s=20

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/sunaks-family-firm-signed-a-billion-dollar-deal-with-bp-before-pm-opened-new-north-sea-licences-353690/

New energy policy explained.


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[Smartie]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/sunaks-family-firm-signed-a-billion-dollar-deal-with-bp-before-pm-opened-new-north-sea-licences-353690/

New energy policy explained.


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We need to get these b******s so far tae **** it's unreal.

[Rumble de Thump]

In other countries there would have been riots years ago in response to such a greedy and corrupt government so clearly abusing its power at the expense of the people it's supposed to be serving. Perhaps people in the UK have just come to accept it as somewhat normal due to the insidious nature of the Tories.

[Kato]

In other countries there would have been riots years ago in response to such a greedy and corrupt government so clearly abusing its power at the expense of the people it's supposed to be serving. Perhaps people in the UK have just come to accept it as somewhat normal due to the insidious nature of the Tories.It is normal. Been saying it for ages. What is the chance of the London Economic's headline being reported on the news tonight? Zero. Because their grifting has been normalised.

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[TrumpIsAPeado]

It is normal. Been saying it for ages. What is the chance of the London Economic's headline being reported on the news tonight? Zero. Because their grifting has been normalised.

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The tories that run these "news" channels will have been leaked the same info as Sunak's dear father-in-law, in exchange for keeping quiet about it. They're all rolling in it.

[Hiber-nation]

Give 'em what they want. Cars and beer.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Greenpeace activists redecorate the outside of Sunak's mansion

Police negotiate with Greenpeace protesters on Rishi Sunak's roof in Yorkshire (telegraph.co.uk) (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/03/greenpeace-protester-rishi-sunak-home-roof-oil-drilling/?fbclid=IwAR2iw1SFQgULhzR8xQnHVKmpBAuyN0azh1HLoQ5y T9qcgHITnsQEtN8D084)

[Just Alf]

Greenpeace activists redecorate the outside of Sunak's mansion

Police negotiate with Greenpeace protesters on Rishi Sunak's roof in Yorkshire (telegraph.co.uk) (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/03/greenpeace-protester-rishi-sunak-home-roof-oil-drilling/?fbclid=IwAR2iw1SFQgULhzR8xQnHVKmpBAuyN0azh1HLoQ5y T9qcgHITnsQEtN8D084)Is this the one where he's paying for the local power infrastructure to be upgraded so he can get enough power to heat his pool? (at the same time as a nearby local council is closing its pool as it can't afford to heat it)

[cabbageandribs1875]

Is this the one where he's paying for the local power infrastructure to be upgraded so he can get enough power to heat his pool? (at the same time as a nearby local council is closing its pool as it can't afford to heat it)


that's the one :greengrin


his family managed to get themselves a great deal recently as well, not that it was reported too much in the press Sunak's family firm signs billion-dollar deal with BP (thelondoneconomic.com) (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/sunaks-family-firm-signed-a-billion-dollar-deal-with-bp-before-pm-opened-new-north-sea-licences-353690/?fbclid=IwAR1QdKtAhOm4nY1b7uxM2OH-m6H3ofrnStrsnxySppPAA4TtG5wzHOHGRXQ)


The Indian IT company is owned by the prime minister’s wife’s family although Sunak has insisted the matter is of “no legitimate public interest”

oh yes it is

[Jack]

that's the one :greengrin


his family managed to get themselves a great deal recently as well, not that it was reported too much in the press Sunak's family firm signs billion-dollar deal with BP (thelondoneconomic.com) (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/sunaks-family-firm-signed-a-billion-dollar-deal-with-bp-before-pm-opened-new-north-sea-licences-353690/?fbclid=IwAR1QdKtAhOm4nY1b7uxM2OH-m6H3ofrnStrsnxySppPAA4TtG5wzHOHGRXQ)


The Indian IT company is owned by the prime minister’s wife’s family although Sunak has insisted the matter is of “no legitimate public interest”

oh yes it is

He hates it when his wife gets mentioned.

[Stairway 2 7]

Tories going trump. Accuse firemen of being political to help Labour and anti British. The reason they say the asylum barges are a deathtrap

https://news.sky.com/story/bibby-stockholm-health-and-safety-worker-checks-now-delaying-barge-taking-asylum-seekers-12932167

[Kato]

Tories going trump. Accuse firemen of being political to help Labour and anti British. The reason they say the asylum barges are a deathtrap

https://news.sky.com/story/bibby-stockholm-health-and-safety-worker-checks-now-delaying-barge-taking-asylum-seekers-12932167That's an old authoritarian tactic. If met with a statement of fact claim it is a statement of motive. Its why any policy or statement which is even slightly egalitarian is called the "politics of envy."

This thread has been described as just "hatred" for the Tories, even though it just mainly reports on their sh*thousery.

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[lapsedhibee]

Pakistan leading the way https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/05/former-pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan-jailed-for-three-years

US making the right moves. If Trump eventually goes to jail too, then I will become increasingly hopeful that in the UK, at some point, Mone will be brought to justice and perhaps encouraged to drink a cup of tea at a time not of her own choosing.

[grunt]

Lying Tories pretending not to be lying liars.
These leaflets don't mention that they are Conservatives and - obviously - don't feature the Tory blue.
Lying liars lie again.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2wRbvqXsAAbh10?format=webp&name=medium

[Ozyhibby]

Privatisation. I’m sure it will be fine in the health service though.[emoji106]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/05/investigation-after-57-world-triathlon-championship-swimmers-fall-sick-and-get-diarrhoea-in-sunderland-race


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[grunt]

The architect of Brexit and of Truss' disastrous budget has been given a peerage by Truss.

Here he is talking about Truss' budget ...

"You're not going to like this package (the budget) if you care about the poor".

We need a revolution.

https://twitter.com/TheLittleWaster/status/1688541377724911616?s=20

[TrumpIsAPeado]

The architect of Brexit and of Truss' disastrous budget has been given a peerage by Truss.

Here he is talking about Truss' budget ...

"You're not going to like this package (the budget) if you care about the poor".

We need a revolution.

https://twitter.com/TheLittleWaster/status/1688541377724911616?s=20

Unfortunately we live on an island where a huge chunk of the population couldn't care less about the poor, or anybody who isn't themselves. So no revolution.

[Kato]

The architect of Brexit and of Truss' disastrous budget has been given a peerage by Truss.

Here he is talking about Truss' budget ...

"You're not going to like this package (the budget) if you care about the poor".

We need a revolution.

https://twitter.com/TheLittleWaster/status/1688541377724911616?s=20IEA, funded by billionaires to enable billionaires to be more billionairey.

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[grunt]

I know we have some posters on here who are critical of the SG record on improving the A9.
I wonder whether they approve of the Lying Tory party using deaths on the A9 as political capital?

https://twitter.com/ScotTories/status/1688489716809670657?s=20

[TrumpIsAPeado]

I know we have some posters on here who are critical of the SG record on improving the A9.
I wonder whether they approve of the Lying Tory party using deaths on the A9 as political capital?

https://twitter.com/ScotTories/status/1688489716809670657?s=20

A job that should have been done long before Holyrood was even a thing. But they were too busy using the proceeds from Scotland's offshore oil and gas to enhance the infrastructure in Southern England instead.

[grunt]

Lying Tories appallingly desperate to fill their prison barges. Even against their own rules.
Tory *******s.

https://twitter.com/lizziedearden/status/1688621637506105344?s=20

[cabbageandribs1875]

this is an absolute dream for Tories and Labour recipients of private healthcare donations alike Buy now, pay later medical loans on rise as desperate patients go private amid NHS backlogs | Private healthcare | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/06/buy-now-pay-later-medical-loans-on-rise-as-desperate-patients-go-private-amid-nhs-backlogs)

[Smartie]

this is an absolute dream for Tories and Labour recipients of private healthcare donations alike Buy now, pay later medical loans on rise as desperate patients go private amid NHS backlogs | Private healthcare | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/06/buy-now-pay-later-medical-loans-on-rise-as-desperate-patients-go-private-amid-nhs-backlogs)

About halfway down that article - "David Rowland, director of the Centre for Health and the Public Interest thinktank, said: “Policymakers need to be aware of how the underfunding of the NHS is pushing unsustainable healthcare costs back onto individuals, potentially increasing their indebtedness. It’s a slippery slope,” he said."

It's not our old pal, is it?

If it is, I'd expect him more to be cashing in on the misery of others rather than raking in a big wage to pose as part of a think tank, but you never know.

Edit - it appears it is not. Namesake with what seems to be a very different world view.

https://chpi.org.uk/author/d-rowland/

[Kato]

A job that should have been done long before Holyrood was even a thing. But they were too busy using the proceeds from Scotland's offshore oil and gas to enhance the infrastructure in Southern England instead.There was a stat somewhere that showed all the oil revenues up to 1990 added up to the same amount as dole money paid out during M. Thatcher's reign.

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[grunt]

What cost of living crisis?


Rishi Sunak takes family to £12,000-a-table restaurant in Disneyland

https://metro.co.uk/2023/08/08/rishi-sunak-takes-family-to-12000-a-table-restaurant-in-disneyland-19296981/

[Ozyhibby]

What cost of living crisis?



https://metro.co.uk/2023/08/08/rishi-sunak-takes-family-to-12000-a-table-restaurant-in-disneyland-19296981/

Just you keep holding your nerve pleb.[emoji6]


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

What cost of living crisis?



https://metro.co.uk/2023/08/08/rishi-sunak-takes-family-to-12000-a-table-restaurant-in-disneyland-19296981/

He'll probably add it to his "expenses". Claiming Brexit deal discussions with Mickey Mouse.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

The Conservative Party openly endorsing Lee Anderson's "**** off back to France" comments.
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1688822346277105664

[Northernhibee]

The Conservative Party openly endorsing Lee Anderson's "**** off back to France" comments.
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1688822346277105664

Full on BNP territory.

[cabbageandribs1875]

easy freakin money ehhttps://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/363450532_3575958589308570_2167289680411382641_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=3fc0O_E00xQAX_SO4xo&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCqqe0aR8FWmoFlQyXAYCnY2WQkTr0WbcRdZMSIGSO1 iQ&oe=64D778AC

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1688845041198829568?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/scotnational/status/1688917466964176897?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Nothing from Ross yet?


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[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/scotnational/status/1688917466964176897?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Nothing from Ross yet?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkProbably running scared of hearing 50p Lee spouting forth his well researched and thoughtful opinions on the scottish colony[emoji6]

I've gone for 50p to adjust for the inflation his party are presiding over.

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[TrumpIsAPeado]

https://twitter.com/scotnational/status/1688917466964176897?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Nothing from Ross yet?


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He'll be nodding his head up and down in a darkened room somewhere, hoping it includes them damn gypsies.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/scotnational/status/1688917466964176897?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Nothing from Ross yet?


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[weecounty hibby]

https://twitter.com/scotnational/status/1688917466964176897?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Nothing from Ross yet?


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Ross and Sarwar have a free pass from the Scottish media at the moment. Full focus is on how much civil servants have spent doing their jobs!!

[Ozyhibby]

Ross and Sarwar have a free pass from the Scottish media at the moment. Full focus is on how much civil servants have spent doing their jobs!!

I heard one of them bought a book?[emoji35]


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[weecounty hibby]

I heard one of them bought a book?[emoji35]


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Absolute *******s!!!! Totally proves just how Scotland could never manage on its own. So little confidence in ourselves. We buy books the Westminster Tories by PPE worth billions

[McSwanky]

https://twitter.com/scotnational/status/1688917466964176897?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Nothing from Ross yet?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSurely some journalist will put that **** on the spot and ask him directly if he supports that statement? Surely? [emoji849]

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[DaveF]

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1688845041198829568?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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When did he say this as there is nothing on the BBC website as far as I can see?

A quick Google brings back hits for Sky News and a host of media outlets but zilch on the BBC.

[cabbageandribs1875]

lying little snotbag Bowie

Scottish Tory MP Andrew Bowie made misleading council tax claim | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23709605.scottish-tory-mp-andrew-bowie-made-misleading-council-tax-claim/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=8c7cbcbaa1741d7cbc339fe13eff0274&date=080823)

[TrumpIsAPeado]

When did he say this as there is nothing on the BBC website as far as I can see?

A quick Google brings back hits for Sky News and a host of media outlets but zilch on the BBC.

Like many things, the BBC are completely mute about it.

[Ozyhibby]

Like many things, the BBC are completely mute about it.

By election coming up. BBC need to stay on message. Busy with credit card smear campaign today.[emoji106]


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[grunt]

https://twitter.com/sonofr/status/1688920865612967937?s=20


When you’ve sucked the value out of everything, destroyed peoples’ future, given the country over to disaster capitalists, driven millions into poverty, taken the country out of the most successful trading bloc in history and everything you have anything to do with turns into a total disaster, you need a massive distraction, so you invent one.

You spin that perfectly legal asylum seekers are illegal. You fail to process them in a timely and proper fashion and allow a huge backlog to build up. You deliberately turn a perfectly manageable problem into a disaster. You create misery and horror on an epic scale. Thousands suffer unnecessarily, but you just don’t care as long as it distracts peoples’ attention away from the catastrophe you’ve created.

I give you … our Conservative government.

[Northernhibee]

BBC reporting that the Tories likely to campaign on leaving the European Convention of Human Rights at the next election.

Fascist ****. I hope England doesn’t further obliterate our living standards.

[Ozyhibby]

BBC reporting that the Tories likely to campaign on leaving the European Convention of Human Rights at the next election.

Fascist ****. I hope England doesn’t further obliterate our living standards.

If they don’t win this time, they’ll win the next one. Or the one after that. And we’ll be out. It will eventually happen.


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[McSwanky]

To think we had the chance in 2014 to avoid all of this pish, and we bottled it.

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[Northernhibee]

If they don’t win this time, they’ll win the next one. Or the one after that. And we’ll be out. It will eventually happen.


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They’ll have a couple of electoral terms in the sidelines, they’ll eventually shift back closer to the centre with another “Call Me Dave” in a suit, and England and Wales will forget all about the COVID dead, the food banks, BN30p Lee, **** in the sea and we’ll see the same shift to the right all over again until they break the country again.

I wish Labour would see how it works. I would be more comfortable with Starmer if I thought we’d see a gradual shift to the left over time.

[Ozyhibby]

They’ll have a couple of electoral terms in the sidelines, they’ll eventually shift back closer to the centre with another “Call Me Dave” in a suit, and England and Wales will forget all about the COVID dead, the food banks, BN30p Lee, **** in the sea and we’ll see the same shift to the right all over again until they break the country again.

I wish Labour would see how it works. I would be more comfortable with Starmer if I thought we’d see a gradual shift to the left over time.

I’d be more comfortable if he was offering real change like PR or proper devolution for Scotland. Something that offers real protection from these idiots. Much better to deal with our own idiots.
He can’t do much because of the budget problems but constitutional change does not cost much and can help prevent us ever being here again. And he’s not interested.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

To think we had the chance in 2014 to avoid all of this pish, and we bottled it.

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Scotland's economy would have sunk. We'd have been a 3rd world country by now. Poorer than Somalia. Just look at all of those other independent European countries by comparison, clearly doing so much worse without the colonial pound.

[Northernhibee]

I’d be more comfortable if he was offering real change like PR or proper devolution for Scotland. Something that offers real protection from these idiots. Much better to deal with our own idiots.
He can’t do much because of the budget problems but constitutional change does not cost much and can help prevent us ever being here again. And he’s not interested.


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Thing is, the centre ground is where changes of government happen, I get that.

I just wish he’d be more vocal about the treatment of asylum seekers being wrong, just to give a glimmer of compassion.

[Northernhibee]

Scotland's economy would have sunk. We'd have been a 3rd world country by now. Poorer than Somalia. Just look at all of those other independent European countries by comparison, clearly doing so much worse without the colonial pound.

Salmond called it at the wrong time. It was bordering on a vanity project at the time.

He needed to wait longer for the effects of Tory austerity and right wing dogma to have more of an effect on people and he’d likely have won it it was held now, particularly with being out of the EU.

Now it’s an easy argument for the No side to say to people “they’re not listening to your vote” and many peoples views will now be entrenched, irregardless of how bad it is.

He’s just as bad as anyone else IMO.

Hindsight is 20/20 though.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/londoneconomic/status/1689194871993626628?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Kenrick admitting the prison ships are deliberate policy.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

Salmond called it at the wrong time. It was bordering on a vanity project at the time.

He needed to wait longer for the effects of Tory austerity and right wing dogma to have more of an effect on people and he’d likely have won it it was held now, particularly with being out of the EU.

Now it’s an easy argument for the No side to say to people “they’re not listening to your vote” and many peoples views will now be entrenched, irregardless of how bad it is.

He’s just as bad as anyone else IMO.

Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Even if there hadn't been a referendum in 2014, they still wouldn't have allowed one to take place now. They allowed it at a time when they thought there was zero chance of independence winning. They would never allow a referendum at a time where the outcome would seem far more feasible. They would have still used the courts to block it, even if one hadn't taken place back in 2014.

[Hibrandenburg]

Salmond called it at the wrong time. It was bordering on a vanity project at the time.

He needed to wait longer for the effects of Tory austerity and right wing dogma to have more of an effect on people and he’d likely have won it it was held now, particularly with being out of the EU.

Now it’s an easy argument for the No side to say to people “they’re not listening to your vote” and many peoples views will now be entrenched, irregardless of how bad it is.

He’s just as bad as anyone else IMO.

Hindsight is 20/20 though.

If Westminster thought he'd had a cat in hell's chance of winning then they never would have allowed it.

[Mon Dieu4]

I just wish there was a grown up discussion about immigration, I despise the Tories and want refugees to be welcomed and migrants coming to the UK to work, Scotland certainly needs the influx, but I'm also of the opinion you can't just have 45,000 showing up on boats, that's a potential threat to national security, so we need to chat about what needs done to speed up vetting process and putting more legitimate routes for people to access who want to come here, I don't see how it will ever get fixed to be honest

[Kato]

I just wish there was a grown up discussion about immigration, I despise the Tories and want refugees to be welcomed and migrants coming to the UK to work, Scotland certainly needs the influx, but I'm also of the opinion you can't just have 45,000 showing up on boats, that's a potential threat to national security, so we need to chat about what needs done to speed up vetting process and putting more legitimate routes for people to access who want to come here, I don't see how it will ever get fixed to be honestInvest in the processing system rather overly expensive and ongoing costs for accommodation?

It wouldn't spark the culture war the Tories want for the next election but would be more humane and it would also just be a return to what was normally done.

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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1688845041198829568?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkhttps://twitter.com/JamieJones77/status/1687334702800084992?s=09


Where's Ned Sheeran or even Damian Allbran today?

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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/amandajplatell/status/1689181451185496064?t=mUXg4FpwUPbeM-iS6lojzA&s=19


Daily Mail journalist pretending to care about children in food poverty.



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[JeMeSouviens]

I just wish there was a grown up discussion about immigration, I despise the Tories and want refugees to be welcomed and migrants coming to the UK to work, Scotland certainly needs the influx, but I'm also of the opinion you can't just have 45,000 showing up on boats, that's a potential threat to national security, so we need to chat about what needs done to speed up vetting process and putting more legitimate routes for people to access who want to come here, I don't see how it will ever get fixed to be honest

Having someone in power who is not trying to gain votes by deliberately not fixing it might be a start.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/amandajplatell/status/1689181451185496064?t=mUXg4FpwUPbeM-iS6lojzA&s=19


Daily Mail journalist pretending to care about children in food poverty.



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Is her argument that these people should starve and suffer like many uk kids under the tories

[Rumble de Thump]

Is her argument that these people should starve and suffer like many uk kids under the tories

I doubt she even really knows what her argument is. It's just more pretending that the foreigners are the problem rather than the Tories and their shills (such as anyone who writes for the Daily Mail). The people who've been falling for this kind of toxic, disingenuous patter for the past 12 years or so will lap it up despite it making absolutely no sense.

[lapsedhibee]

https://twitter.com/amandajplatell/status/1689181451185496064?t=mUXg4FpwUPbeM-iS6lojzA&s=19



As forecast on LBC a couple of days ago.

James O'Brien
@mrjamesob
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Aug 7
It's important to note that literally nobody persuaded that asylum seekers are all lying and/or a threat will be feeling better disposed towards them as a consequence of this barge. The barge is designed to delight them. It won't. Tomorrow they'll be claiming it's too luxurious.

[Kato]

I doubt she even really knows what her argument is. It's just more pretending that the foreigners are the problem rather than the Tories and their shills (such as anyone who writes for the Daily Mail). The people who've been falling for this kind of toxic, disingenuous patter for the past 12 years or so will lap it up despite it making absolutely no sense.Exactly. Designed to evoke unthinking "fury", as The Daily has done for decades.

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[Stairway 2 7]

41 migrants die trying to get to Italy. We need to collectively find a way so that people don't risk there lives like this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66448987

[grunt]

Is the Tory party seriously considering taking the UK out of the ECHR?
Will they get away with it?
What would be the impact on us if this happens?

[archie]

Is the Tory party seriously considering taking the UK out of the ECHR?
Will they get away with it?
What would be the impact on us if this happens?

I think it's culture war noise, trying to set up a stick to beat Labour. The tories are desperate to make small boats and asylum an issue. I don't think it's getting much traction, but they don't have much else. The old days of economic competency attacks have been blown out of the water by theor actions.

[Smartie]

I think it's culture war noise, trying to set up a stick to beat Labour. The tories are desperate to make small boats and asylum an issue. I don't think it's getting much traction, but they don't have much else. The old days of economic competency attacks have been blown out of the water by theor actions.

I agree.

I think the Tories have totally lost the plot, know they’re done for and have decided that this is their final, forlorn hope of clinging onto power.

[Hibrandenburg]

I agree.

I think the Tories have totally lost the plot, know they’re done for and have decided that this is their final, forlorn hope of clinging onto power.

You're forgetting the laws of fascism, you have to keep the moral downward spiral moving by thinking up new imaginary enemies, associate them with your opposition and then promising to sort it out by dealing with them harshly. Who knows what horrible fate awaits us from the woke socialist, but I'm sure the Tories will let us know in the run up to the next election.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66469317


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[Kato]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66469317


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's OK she is "taking steps to ensure that this never happens again".

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[TrumpIsAPeado]

It's OK she is "taking steps to ensure that this never happens again".

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She's learnt her lesson. She won't be declaring those shares ever again.

[lapsedhibee]

She's learnt her lesson. She won't be declaring those shares ever again.

Be fair. Who among us can honestly say that it's never slipped our minds that we own half a million quids worth of shares, or seven flats, or that we're married to a billionairess? :dunno:

[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66469317


https://twitter.com/DavidMuttering/status/1689913331644010496?s=20

[JeMeSouviens]

I think it's culture war noise, trying to set up a stick to beat Labour. The tories are desperate to make small boats and asylum an issue. I don't think it's getting much traction, but they don't have much else. The old days of economic competency attacks have been blown out of the water by theor actions.

Same with the climate. I'm not sure let's all burn is quite the vote winner they imagine though.

[Stairway 2 7]

Why is the limit as high as 70k shocking

[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/11/legionella-discovery-forces-asylum-seekers-off-bibby-stockholm-just-days-after-arrival

Might knock a point off its tripadvisor rating.

[wookie70]

Is that illegals now coming ashore from Tory Government big boats now. Does this government ever get anything right. They can't even organise their hateful acts

[grunt]

Stop the boats.

[Jones28]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-66476538

Legionaires found in the water on the Bibby Stockholm.

Stop the bugs.

[grunt]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/hypocrite-tory-minister-tries-stop-30683503


Hypocrite Tory minister tries to stop railway ticket office closures in his own town

Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick has slammed the proposal to shut ticket offices at his local railway stations despite it being pushed through by his own Government

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1689998556160024576?s=20


Nadine Dorries has NOT breached the MPs' Code of Conduct by failing to turn up to Parliament in over a year, the Standards Commissioner has ruled

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/mattgreencomedy/status/1689962815300239360?s=20


This Crooked House story seems almost too on the nose as a metaphor for the UK as a whole. Wonky but much loved and storied place survives for hundreds of years until some rich people come along, buy it and then watch it go up in flames and demolish it for profit.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1689998556160024576?s=20

Will try that at my work see if they are fine with it

[archie]

Will try that at my work see if they are fine with it

You're not an MP are you?

[archie]

https://twitter.com/mattgreencomedy/status/1689962815300239360?s=20

Did you see the reports of the demolition digger booked before the fire?

[Stairway 2 7]

You're not an MP are you?

I wish, you seem how much it is for a pint and a meal in the Westminster MPs bars

[Stairway 2 7]

Did you see the reports of the demolition digger booked before the fire?

It's a running joke on Glasgow twitter that everything in Glasgow burns down when planning permission isn't granted.

https://twitter.com/craigcavyleader/status/1678858089536028675

[archie]

I wish, you seem how much it is for a pint and a meal in the Westminster MPs bars

If you aren't an MP then don't try the Nadine strategy.

[grunt]

Did you see the reports of the demolition digger booked before the fire?I did. The whole thing stinks. I don't think it's an exaggeration to suggest that this cavalier approach to the law and planning is exacerbated by the activities of the criminal Tory party. They have encouraged a laissez faire approach to rules and law breaking.

[DaveF]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66484699

I'm sure Lee Anderson and the Tories will be delighted - especially so if they lapped up back on a french beach.

[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66484699

I'm sure Lee Anderson and the Tories will be delighted - especially so if they lapped up back on a french beach.Braverman posts about "thoughts and prayers". Deliberately using the same meaningless American trope that Republicans come out with after each and every mass shooting. These *******s are not even hiding their fascist natures. Oh, that's right, the lying Tories aren't fascists. Aren't they?

[lapsedhibee]

Braverman posts about "thoughts and prayers". Deliberately using the same meaningless American trope that Republicans come out with after each and every mass shooting. These *******s are not even hiding their fascist natures. Oh, that's right, the lying Tories aren't fascists. Aren't they?

:tsk tsk:

F*****ts then.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1689004147918639108?t=gFGPHhEE0bm-xwfco3J5NA&s=19

"New study says 50 years of tax cuts for the rich failed to trickle down."



Who would have thought it? Tax cuts for rich people make rich people richer and poor people poorer.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

there's bugger all Honourable about Dorries, bugger all

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[Bostonhibby]

More info on Baroness Mone's husbands alleged PPE plunder.

If there's no impropriety or crime here we may as well just leave the doors to the treasury open, if there's anything left after the current government and it's chums have carved it up.

https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1690643182004875264?t=hGPGt6j90SPWoZJaCWkRgg&s=08

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[lapsedhibee]

More info on Baroness Mone's husbands alleged PPE plunder.

If there's no impropriety or crime here we may as well just leave the doors to the treasury open, if there's anything left after the current government and it's chums have carved it up.

https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1690643182004875264?t=hGPGt6j90SPWoZJaCWkRgg&s=08


Even if Barrowman did dirty deeds, it doesn't mean that Mone was implicated. She wouldn't have known anything about those dirty deeds any more than Sunak would have known about his wife's father's business activities in Russia. No, the only time that a politician must have known everything that her spouse was up to is if the spouse's name is Peter. It's just common sense.

[Bostonhibby]

Even if Barrowman did dirty deeds, it doesn't mean that Mone was implicated. She wouldn't have known anything about those dirty deeds any more than Sunak would have known about his wife's father's business activities in Russia. No, the only time that a politician must have known everything that her spouse was up to is if the spouse's name is Peter. It's just common sense.I can't get my head round the fact that it was seemingly Baroness Mone's one approach to join the fast track/gravy train for the select few that opened the door so easily to such riches. The connected people that flow from it and gain from it seem self evident.

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[grunt]

Enough of this football stuff, let's get back to pointing out how the lying Tories are perverting justice.

https://twitter.com/GoodLawProject/status/1690769812849373184?s=20

[cabbageandribs1875]

27119

i like Carol Vorderman more as each week passes

[Stairway 2 7]

Barges story gets worse every day Rob Powell from sky news. Government excuse is they found out of positive test Wednesday but let people on the next two days. Tory run council

@robpowellnews
🚨 New details on the Bibby timeline this evening...

- Dorset Council says it told the contractors running the vessel about the Legionella result on Monday, the day that migrants were moved onto the barge.

- The Council says it told a Home Office official verbally on Tuesday

Despite that, more people were moved onto the barge on Thursday & it was only evacuated on Friday.

- The Home Office has said the first it found out about the test result was on Wednesday evening.

- Dorset Council is now suggesting someone in the dept knew earlier

Dorset Council insists, as the enforcement body for health, it was not responsible for formally telling the Home Office about the test results.

- The Council says the two firms contracted by the govt to run the barge should have told the Home Office

Tonight one of the firms contracted to run the barge told Sky News "Landry & Kling, along with project partners, have followed all written recommendations made by Dorset Council Environmental Health".

- We have approached the Home Office for a response

On the assertion from Dorset Council that they told the Home Office about the legionella on Tuesday, a govt source tonight says there's no record of that conversation & has pointed to details from UKHSA saying they only found out about the test result on Wednesday as well

[cabbageandribs1875]

Peter Stefanovic...


An utterly pathetic & moronic front page from Daily Express

The junior doctors who sacrificed so much to keep us safe during the pandemic are striking because the Government has offered them another CRAPPY REAL TERMS PAY CUT on top of a whole decade of CRAPPY REAL TERMS PAY CUTS
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i'm well aware this comic is in competition with the Daily Heil for the nasties but my jings

[cabbageandribs1875]

well on his way to the HoL https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/10/sajid-javid-bas-brother-home-office-immigration-role?fbclid=IwAR0YEMM3PEBvWKxnl8yzxOzrPEwSc9KsjyH9 cAqrYfGftjwaZ4_vh5ZEi90

[JimBHibees]

Peter Stefanovic...


An utterly pathetic & moronic front page from Daily Express

The junior doctors who sacrificed so much to keep us safe during the pandemic are striking because the Government has offered them another CRAPPY REAL TERMS PAY CUT on top of a whole decade of CRAPPY REAL TERMS PAY CUTS
https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/367407965_861904178628652_6148199347521448564_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dd63ad&_nc_ohc=IvzsjQr0vmAAX_qeqza&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfADCFNloi4a7VXZWDNLFkptFDgvHd_bEo7LtvX_CpDE fQ&oe=64DFCA7E


i'm well aware this comic is in competition with the Daily Heil for the nasties but my jings

Incredible headline. Some elements of our press really do reflect this worst of this little island.

[Just Alf]

Incredible headline. Some elements of our press really do reflect this worst of this little island.TORIES INEPT HANDLING OF WAGE NEGOTIATIONS WILL BRING 'EM DOWN

would be a bit nearer reality

[Ozyhibby]

TORIES INEPT HANDLING OF WAGE NEGOTIATIONS WILL BRING 'EM DOWN

would be a bit nearer reality

They are on strike in Wales as well are they not?


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[Just Alf]

They are on strike in Wales as well are they not?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWelsh version of the paper, if there is one, could be tweaked I'm sure . :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bma_juniordocs/status/1692221562382922077?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

There are people in Scotland, on this board even, who want Douglas Ross to be first minister.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm convinced conservatives enter Westminster/Politics just to be Lobbyists to line their own pockets :agree: Conservative MP Receives Donation From Manufacturing Firm Months After Promoting it in Parliament – Byline Times (https://bylinetimes.com/2023/08/15/conservative-mp-receives-donation-from-manufacturing-firm-months-after-promoting-it-in-parliament/?fbclid=IwAR0lmh3FjcUmlE6ifJEni2rA2X1VONt59OvxX8Gy gMtMFBW8hM0LKni-plI)

and

Private Eye exposes Tory councillors property development scheme (thelondoneconomic.com) (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/private-eye-exposes-tory-councillors-who-voted-through-lucrative-property-development-then-stepped-down-354511/?fbclid=IwAR0MrlcThq378P4XlBuyQ8NaIzMSnI5MxZo0b4FE wSkg9YS7Gc-04rM3iUg)

[Kato]

Just another normal days grifting.

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-inadvertently-broke-mps-code-of-conduct-over-wifes-childcare-interest-12946291

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[cabbageandribs1875]

infreakindeed

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[Stairway 2 7]

Well said Mike Lynch ******g abhorrent anti strike laws

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1695339458466390029

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hooraaayy

Nadine Dorries resigns: Conservative MP attacks PM as she quits Commons - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66630308)

[Stairway 2 7]

Hooraaayy

Nadine Dorries resigns: Conservative MP attacks PM as she quits Commons - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66630308)

Statement is funny at least, love some blue on blue violence

[grunt]

Statement is funny at least, love some blue on blue violence

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4emrd8WUAABW8I?format=webp&name=900x900

[Northernhibee]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4emrd8WUAABW8I?format=webp&name=900x900

“Goodwill of the nation”.

[Stairway 2 7]

Dorries best bit, love this. She'll not be missed. Incompetent and a career made from fawning around the buffoon boris

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1695482001321566652

@bmay
I would like to mark the sad resignation of Nadine Dorries by fondly recalling the historic occasion on which she learnt how the television station she was planning to sell was funded, live on air

[Bostonhibby]

Dorries best bit, love this. She'll not be missed. Incompetent and a career made from fawning around the buffoon boris

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1695482001321566652

@bmay
I would like to mark the sad resignation of Nadine Dorries by fondly recalling the historic occasion on which she learnt how the television station she was planning to sell was funded, live on airAll very Bozo like, no knowledge of the brief, a bit of bluster and cocky sounding talk-learned so much from her master.

Dreadful, odious individual.

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[lapsedhibee]

People will have their own favourite highlights from Dorries's resignation bleat.

I like I am grateful for your personal phone call on the morning you appointed your cabinet in October, even if I declined to take the call.
So, so statesmanlike.

Don't think she'll get invited back on to I'm a Celeb, but if ITV ever do an animated version of Hogarth's Gin Lane she must be in with a shout for that.

[Stairway 2 7]

How dangerous is this Braverman says fireman's concerns with Bibby Stockholm shouldn't be listened to as fireman's union is associated with labour, shocking

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1696052700171927928

[Jones28]

How dangerous is this Braverman says fireman's concerns with Bibby Stockholm shouldn't be listened to as fireman's union is associated with labour, shocking

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1696052700171927928

Well if it there is some sort of terrible disaster she should be labelled as complicit.

What a poisonous **** she is.

[Kato]

How dangerous is this Braverman says fireman's concerns with Bibby Stockholm shouldn't be listened to as fireman's union is associated with labour, shocking

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1696052700171927928Trying to portray a statement of fact as a statement with a motive. Fascist move.

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[Hibrandenburg]

Trying to portray a statement of fact as a statement with a motive. Fascist move.

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Can't be fascism, this is Britain.

[grunt]

Can't be fascism, this is Britain.
:agree:

Yup. We had that discussion on here earlier, and definitely concluded that this lying Tory Government of liars are not fascists. After all, they allow elections, don't they?

[Kato]

:agree:

Yup. We had that discussion on here earlier, and definitely concluded that this lying Tory Government of liars are not fascists. After all, they allow elections, don't they?Aligned herself with the racist, fundamentalist National Conservatives as well. If quacks like a fascist it's probably a duck, or something like that.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/douglas-ross-to-unveil-scottish-conservatives-economic-strategy-in-edinburgh

Time to cut back on public services. Anas will no doubt get behind this as well.


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[Kato]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/douglas-ross-to-unveil-scottish-conservatives-economic-strategy-in-edinburgh

Time to cut back on public services. Anas will no doubt get behind this as well.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk"Abandon the constitutional fights with the UK Government and work with the rest of our country."

In doing what exactly?

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[grunt]

A post from the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds. The RSPB! Quite unbelievable.

https://twitter.com/RSPBEngland/status/1696845799383003180?s=20


LIARS!

@RishiSunak @michaelgove @theresecoffey you said you wouldn’t weaken environmental protections.

And yet that’s just what you are doing.

You lie, and you lie, and you lie again.

And we’ve had enough.

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4xkkDIW0AAypnD?format=webp&name=medium

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[Stairway 2 7]

A post from the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds. The RSPB! Quite unbelievable.

https://twitter.com/RSPBEngland/status/1696845799383003180?s=20

Surprised rspb tweeting that but delighted, brilliant might join them

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/robertshrimsley/status/1696843338920472633?s=20

Apologies for the link to the Daily Mail in the post, but it is big news!

According to IDS, it's ok to cause criminal damage in protest against policies that you dislike.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/robertshrimsley/status/1696843338920472633?s=20

Apologies for the link to the Daily Mail in the post, but it is big news!

According to IDS, it's ok to cause criminal damage in protest against policies that you dislike.

Just stop oil will be pleased to hear.[emoji23]


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[cabbageandribs1875]

quite accurate

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/369701153_694622309375229_4294580491678204166_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=P-8bsibJVOkAX-EfJk1&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfC9zZnW3Ihzyt-fEQcVmXMN6dtoH4buibinoyMz_pvGMg&oe=64F46BCF

[Stairway 2 7]

Some kind of joke surely. Grant Shapps the new defence secretary, thankfully the clown will only get a year. Hopefully they don't let him touch anything. Although Ben Wallace was a tory erse, he at least knew his stuff with regards to the military. Important you'd think when there is a war in Europe that we are helping provide for

[Ozyhibby]

Some kind of joke surely. Grant Shapps the new defence secretary, thankfully the clown will only get a year. Hopefully they don't let him touch anything. Although Ben Wallace was a tory erse, he at least knew his stuff with regards to the military. Important you'd think when there is a war in Europe that we are helping provide for

A year would make a change? I think he’s had about 5 different jobs in the last year.


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[Stairway 2 7]

A year would make a change? I think he’s had about 5 different jobs in the last year.


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Very good point I just read his recent job list, unbelievable. A rishi yes man that falls from disaster to new job opportunity. Does seem unsettling that a man who was found to have multiple names and identities, is in charge of defence.

[lapsedhibee]

Shoutout to Antoinette Sandbach. I'd never have known a thing about her family links to the slave trade until she decided to make a fuss about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/31/ex-tory-mp-threatens-sue-cambridge-university-slavery-research-antoinette-sandbach

[Kato]

Very good point I just read his recent job list, unbelievable. A rishi yes man that falls from disaster to new job opportunity. Does seem unsettling that a man who was found to have multiple names and identities, is in charge of defence.A cheap chiseller. Cheap chiselling seems to be his only qualification, so no surprise Sunak sees him as an option.

They all must have compromat on each other.

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[grunt]

Another £9.5m of your money spent dumping and incinerating another 70,000 pallets of the PPE we spent billions buying.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F468d_OWkAAz93o?format=jpg&name=large

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[Kato]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F468d_OWkAAz93o?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F468d_OWYAAhtyn?format=jpg&name=mediumConning the public out of billions which are handed out to your mates for dodgy gear then giving even more money out to your other mates to burn it all: fine.

Having a camper van: police tent in the garden and months and months of bad press.

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[grunt]

Our new Secretary of State for Defence:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/grant-shapps-defence-secretary-rishi-sunak-tiktok-b2403139.html


Britain’s new defence secretary once claimed his YouTube account was hacked into because the password was “1234” or something equally easy to guess.

[grunt]

What the lying liars in the Tory Government are spending their time (and our money) on:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F48b6nMWoAEpC3b?format=webp&name=900x900

[grunt]

What we miss out on by living in Scotland! If we were in England, our local authority could apply for funds to have a public chess table put in a park. The ever helpful lying liars in the Tory Government have provided guidance on where it should be located:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4841eQWcAIn5XR?format=webp&name=medium

[Jack]

What we miss out on by living in Scotland! If we were in England, our local authority could apply for funds to have a public chess table put in a park. The ever helpful lying liars in the Tory Government have provided guidance on where it should be located:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4841eQWcAIn5XR?format=webp&name=medium

I'm sure it was the same sort of nonsense that allowed councils, UK wide, to apply for money to pay for all these half baked pedestrian zones that appeared all over Edinburgh, many of which had locals scratching their heads!

I'm also thinking the dangerous segregation for cycling on main roads.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm sure it was the same sort of nonsense that allowed councils, UK wide, to apply for money to pay for all these half baked pedestrian zones that appeared all over Edinburgh, many of which had locals scratching their heads!

I'm also thinking the dangerous segregation for cycling on main roads.

If we were still in the EU the unelected bureaucrats there would make us do this, so grateful for small mercies and that:

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[Stairway 2 7]

I'm sure it was the same sort of nonsense that allowed councils, UK wide, to apply for money to pay for all these half baked pedestrian zones that appeared all over Edinburgh, many of which had locals scratching their heads!

I'm also thinking the dangerous segregation for cycling on main roads.

Sustrains gives the money but the council can spend it on any green traffic ideas. The low traffic areas are backed by Labour/SNP/greens opposed by the tories and particularly lib dems and Alex Cole Hamilton. They've used sustrains money for loads of projects like safely bollarding cycle lanes on roads and adding bike hangers on streets.

Probably only link to this tory thread is They oppose about every green transport choice, car is king for them