Tories are still lying *******s

[Hiber-nation]

The Home Office admitted that callers to its emergency Afghan aid hotline had been redirected to a washing machine repair company ��

https://t.co/H6YYMMrSgz


You couldn't make it up!!!!

What spin have they put on that?

[Bostonhibby]

What spin have they put on that?World beating planning?

They are going to need washing machines when they arrive (unless Patel is making them carry their own), they are bound to be broken so an over priced repair from the government's preferred supplier is assured.

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[wookie70]

The Home Office admitted that callers to its emergency Afghan aid hotline had been redirected to a washing machine repair company 🤦

https://t.co/H6YYMMrSgz


You couldn't make it up!!!!

To be fair they won the contract fair and square as they had stood next to Pritti at a cocktail evening once.

[Moulin Yarns]

What spin have they put on that?

I can't believe that they are allowing the bosch into the country!!!

[Northernhibee]

Not the first time this government have found themselves Indesit.

[CropleyWasGod]

Not the first time this government have found themselves Indesit.

It is a hot point of debate.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/lawrencedunhill/status/1430868369729798151?s=21


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[lapsedhibee]

https://twitter.com/lawrencedunhill/status/1430868369729798151?s=21


On that same thread, our "world-leading data regime" https://twitter.com/OliverDowden/status/1430777797774090246 . Will this drivel never stop? :dunno:

[wookie70]

Between Johnson in a fridge and Patel and her washing machines this is the government for white men and white goods

[Jack]

An A to Z guide of Boris Johnson’s failures in government

A…*is for Afghanistan. A foreign policy disaster.

B*Brexit. Not going very well, is it?

C*Covid. One of the highest death rates, one of the biggest economic hits, and corruption galore.

D*Defence cuts. See A and S.

E*Environment. As Greta Thunberg brutally exposed, Britain’s claim to be a climate leader is more presentational than real, and COP26 looms.

F*Farmers and fishermen. Betrayed. See B.

G*Grenfell. Promises followed by inaction.

H*Honesty. Enough said.

I*Irish border. See also B, H and S.

J*Justice. A courts system in crisis, a justice secretary defending his government’s law-breaking, judicial review changes to undermine the rule
of law.

K*Kingdom, United, and the strains on it created by B, H, I, Z and more.

L*Levelling Up. Still a slogan without a strategy.

M*Mental health. As with E and L, much talk, less action.

N*NHS. You know the story.

O*Overseas Aid and Development. DfiD a genuine world-beating organisation. Scrapped in defiance of a manifesto commitment. Dominic Raab now in charge.

P*Police, and a Police Federation that has passed a vote of no confidence in the government.

Q*Queen. The one Boris Johnson lied to.

R*Red Wall. See L.

S*Special Relationship. Wrecked. See A, B, I, K, O, Z.

T*Test, Track and Trace. See C.

U*Universities and schools. Gavin Williamson is still education secretary.

V*Vaccination. Let’s hear it for their one relative success, though the much-vaunted ‘world-beating’ status has been overtaken by several others.

W*Welfare. Universal Credit cuts knowingly pushing more people into poverty.

Y*Youth Services. Slashed.

Z*… and it all adds up to a great big Z for Zero, the worst government in living memory, the worst prime minister at the worst possible time…
Alternative A to Z issues and adjectives are available.

Credit to https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/a-to-z-boris-johnson-government/

[ronaldo7]

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/3420190/weve-got-to-start-to-pay-back-douglas-ross-defends-plan-to-cut-universal-credit/

I suppose you could call this anti family. :wink:

[Northernhibee]

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/3420190/weve-got-to-start-to-pay-back-douglas-ross-defends-plan-to-cut-universal-credit/

I suppose you could call this anti family. :wink:

And yet his leader calls a £250k salaried job "chicken feed".

[Jack]

More lies.

“We continually increase the Living Wage – last time by a record amount”

That was the claim from Boris Johnson yesterday in an*interview with the BBC. The prime minister said he was “proud” that the government had “pumped up” the National Living Wage as part of a “jobs-first recovery” from the pandemic.

The National Living Wage has increased every year since it was introduced by David Cameron’s government in 2016.

It sets a legal minimum for workers across the UK aged 23 and over (younger workers are subject to lower rates on the National Minimum Wage).

But Mr Johnson’s claim that the most recent rise in the Living Wage was the highest ever doesn’t add up.

In April 2021, the Living Wage rose by*2.2 per cent*compared to the previous year. But in April 2020, the rise was nearly three times larger at*6.2 per cent. And in 2019, the boost was 5 per cent.

In fact, the most recent rise was the lowest increase in the National Living Wage since the policy was first introduced.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-johnson-claims-latest-living-wage-rise-was-highest-on-record

[lapsedhibee]

New hospitals.

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1431639358768041988

[Killiehibbie]

More lies.

“We continually increase the Living Wage – last time by a record amount”

That was the claim from Boris Johnson yesterday in an*interview with the BBC. The prime minister said he was “proud” that the government had “pumped up” the National Living Wage as part of a “jobs-first recovery” from the pandemic.

The National Living Wage has increased every year since it was introduced by David Cameron’s government in 2016.

It sets a legal minimum for workers across the UK aged 23 and over (younger workers are subject to lower rates on the National Minimum Wage).

But Mr Johnson’s claim that the most recent rise in the Living Wage was the highest ever doesn’t add up.

In April 2021, the Living Wage rose by*2.2 per cent*compared to the previous year. But in April 2020, the rise was nearly three times larger at*6.2 per cent. And in 2019, the boost was 5 per cent.

In fact, the most recent rise was the lowest increase in the National Living Wage since the policy was first introduced.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-johnson-claims-latest-living-wage-rise-was-highest-on-record

It should not be called the living wage. It is still the minimum wage and to live on it is not possible, exist maybe.

[cabbageandribs1875]

THE BLACK SALTIRE#FBSI on Twitter: "World Leaders former occupations Canada: Teacher France: Finances Germany: Scientist Finland: Police Chief Ireland: Doctor Scotland: Solicitor Iceland: Lecturer Portugal: Law Professer New Zealand: Researcher UK: Columnist (Sacked For Lying)" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/80_mcswan/status/1298720882441859075?s=19&fbclid=IwAR3MDHVEZu7m2u91yKUpi2tcICCefdirNSYWYfD0P kBYEwVE3tGEPr-ra3g)

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Comedy Gove


https://youtu.be/toYL4jjl4q4

[Lancs Harp]

Comedy Gove


https://youtu.be/toYL4jjl4q4

Im not a violent man but Michael Gove has an incredibly punchable face doesnt he?

[Northernhibee]

Im not a violent man but Michael Gove has an incredibly punchable face doesnt he?

I wouldn’t get tired of slapping him, and even if I did I could move on to knees to the groin quite happily.

[Moulin Yarns]

I wouldn’t get tired of slapping him, and even if I did I could move on to knees to the groin quite happily.

You're both going to have to join the queue behind my wife, she has first dibs 😉

[Mr Grieves]

Looks like the drug supply chains haven't been affected by Brexit.

[1875godsgift]

More lies.

“We continually increase the Living Wage – last time by a record amount”

That was the claim from Boris Johnson yesterday in an*interview with the BBC. The prime minister said he was “proud” that the government had “pumped up” the National Living Wage as part of a “jobs-first recovery” from the pandemic.

The National Living Wage has increased every year since it was introduced by David Cameron’s government in 2016.

It sets a legal minimum for workers across the UK aged 23 and over (younger workers are subject to lower rates on the National Minimum Wage).

But Mr Johnson’s claim that the most recent rise in the Living Wage was the highest ever doesn’t add up.

In April 2021, the Living Wage rose by*2.2 per cent*compared to the previous year. But in April 2020, the rise was nearly three times larger at*6.2 per cent. And in 2019, the boost was 5 per cent.

In fact, the most recent rise was the lowest increase in the National Living Wage since the policy was first introduced.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-johnson-claims-latest-living-wage-rise-was-highest-on-record

Well, to be fair to the useless fat tub of lard currently impersonating a prime minister (when he's not too busy hiding in fridges, reading Asterix books or dipping his ****ing wick in places he shouldn't} he's not really lying, is he?

They did increase the minimum wage by a record amount, unfortunately it was by a record low.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/matthighton/status/1432073998070845446?s=21


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[cabbageandribs1875]

a government we didn't vote for, oh the irony...:hilarious

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[Keith_M]

Claims of Anti-Semitism because they dared to criticise Israel... sad but predictable.

[Keith_M]

I see Johnson is planning to increase National Insurance across the whole of the UK, to help fund things like Social Care.... in England.

If you need this money, why not just be honest and increase the upper tax rate by one per cent, as has been done in Scotland?

[LaMotta]

Tory MP Andrew Bowie telling lies on the BBC earlier today:


https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1434845940058365954

[Glory Lurker]

I see Johnson is planning to increase National Insurance across the whole of the UK, to help fund things like Social Care.... in England.

If you need this money, why not just be honest and increase the upper tax rate by one per cent, as has been done in Scotland?

You really are a daftie, aren't you? :-)

[Keith_M]

You really are a daftie, aren't you? :-)


True....

...but what about my question?

[The_Exile]

Why does Boris not just give the NHS the 350 million a week from the side of his bus like he said he would do?

[ronaldo7]

Why does Boris not just give the NHS the 350 million a week from the side of his bus like he said he would do?

£18 billion a year would cover it nicely.

So many choices they have to fix their problem, but they've decided to tax the young again.

Pitiful.

[Bostonhibby]

Why does Boris not just give the NHS the 350 million a week from the side of his bus like he said he would do?You can't share what was never there.

Where did it go? Maybe even the Nasty party might struggle to spirit it away to their chums if it didn't exist in the first place?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210907/8eb7788a7ff39e766a9c345d8689303e.jpg

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[Northernhibee]

£18 billion a year would cover it nicely.

So many choices they have to fix their problem, but they've decided to tax the young again.

Pitiful.

Every time there’s a story about finance or borrowing or cost of living, the Daily Mail readers bleat “don’t get it if you can’t afford it”.

Same applies for Brexit - you voted for it, you pay for it. Don’t expect the rest of us to bail you out for everything that you want.

[Moulin Yarns]

Bbc Laura K


So far...
PM confirms 1.25% hike in NI + dividend tax, first and foremost going the NHS, 36bn over 3 years
Lifetime limit for care costs for individuals will be 86k
If you have assets btw 20k and 100k you'll be eligible for some support
5.3bn extra until 2025 for social care

[Moulin Yarns]

Bbc Laura K


So far...
PM confirms 1.25% hike in NI + dividend tax, first and foremost going the NHS, 36bn over 3 years
Lifetime limit for care costs for individuals will be 86k
If you have assets btw 20k and 100k you'll be eligible for some support
5.3bn extra until 2025 for social care

Important to note PM says cap will be for those 'starting care' from October 23, implication the limit won't apply to those already in the system + White Paper on 'integration' of health and care, how the care system might actually be reformed won't come til later in the year

[Moulin Yarns]

Important to note PM says cap will be for those 'starting care' from October 23, implication the limit won't apply to those already in the system + White Paper on 'integration' of health and care, how the care system might actually be reformed won't come til later in the year

https://twitter.com/Telecast1958/status/1435210284851994628?s=19

[neil7908]

Why does Boris not just give the NHS the 350 million a week from the side of his bus like he said he would do?

It's just insane now they've got away with this lie, and no journalist is willing to call them out.

They've just broken a manifesto commitment in order to save the NHS, after campaigning for Brexit on the basis we could give £350m a week to save the NHS. How the actual f*** is that not getting torn apart?

Are the Tories the party of high taxes now? Because if Labour had done this they would be hammered. Covid wouldn't save them.

[JeMeSouviens]

Tory MP Andrew Bowie telling lies on the BBC earlier today:


https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1434845940058365954

He's no Prince Andrew, that's for sure. :wink:

[Chorley Hibee]

36 billion required for the NHS, yet they just gave away/stole 37 billion for a failed track and trace system.

Crooks.

[Bostonhibby]

36 billion required for the NHS, yet they just gave away/stole 37 billion for a failed track and trace system.

Crooks.Sure I read somewhere it was world beating.

Covid certainly created the opportunity for some world beating contracts to be awarded free of proper scrutiny.

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[Moulin Yarns]

The wealth of UK billionaires is up by £106,500,000,000 in the pandemic.

But instead of making them pay more, the Tories are raising National Insurance, hitting low paid & young workers the hardest.

Social care should be funded with a wealth tax, not a tax on the working class.

[ronaldo7]

Tory manifesto promise broken again.

BREAKING Triple lock on pensions has been SCRAPPED for 2022/23

It means pensions will NOT rise by 8% next April. Instead will rise by inflation (or 2.5%).

Therese Coffey says it's to stop pensioners "unfairly benefiting from a statistical anomaly".

Is only for one year

[staunchhibby]

Not content with freezing personal allowances they move on to pensioners and the working people with there manifesto in tatters who is next

[Moulin Yarns]

Tory manifesto promise broken again.

BREAKING Triple lock on pensions has been SCRAPPED for 2022/23

It means pensions will NOT rise by 8% next April. Instead will rise by inflation (or 2.5%).

Therese Coffey says it's to stop pensioners "unfairly benefiting from a statistical anomaly".

Is only for one year


This could come back to bite them on the bum. Inflation is surely higher than 2.5% if the cost of food is rising.

[staunchhibby]

Bit rich coming from Therese Coffey as we have the lowest pension compared to other countries

[Just_Jimmy]

BBC asking "can we still trust the Tory Party?"

I mean FOR **** SAKE

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[hibsbollah]

It's just insane now they've got away with this lie, and no journalist is willing to call them out.

They've just broken a manifesto commitment in order to save the NHS, after campaigning for Brexit on the basis we could give £350m a week to save the NHS. How the actual f*** is that not getting torn apart?

Are the Tories the party of high taxes now? Because if Labour had done this they would be hammered. Covid wouldn't save them.

Imagine Corbyn presided over a 8% rise in food prices.
Imagine Corbyn presided over 100,000 Covid deaths.
Imagine Corbyn gave cash bribes to Taliban.

Imagine the press reaction.

[Chorley Hibee]

Imagine Corbyn presided over a 8% rise in food prices.
Imagine Corbyn presided over 100,000 Covid deaths.
Imagine Corbyn gave cash bribes to Taliban.

Imagine the press reaction.

Just be grateful it wasn't chaos with Ed Miliband.

[Kato]

Imagine Corbyn presided over a 8% rise in food prices.
Imagine Corbyn presided over 100,000 Covid deaths.
Imagine Corbyn gave cash bribes to Taliban.

Imagine the press reaction.Imagine there was an opposition party.

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[LunasBoots]

There is enough money been swindled within the Tories and there pals over the years to more than cover these ridiculous extra taxes.

[hibsbollah]

Just be grateful it wasn't chaos with Ed Miliband.

Strong and stable :faf: it’s easy to forget how much nonsense they’ve spouted since the Cameron days.

[Northernhibee]

Tory manifesto promise broken again.

BREAKING Triple lock on pensions has been SCRAPPED for 2022/23

It means pensions will NOT rise by 8% next April. Instead will rise by inflation (or 2.5%).

Therese Coffey says it's to stop pensioners "unfairly benefiting from a statistical anomaly".

Is only for one year

An age group that have overwhelmingly voted Tory despite seeing the poor shafted, small business owners shafted, the young shafted, our friends in the UK originally from the EU shafted, industries shafted, minorities shafted, the majority of us shafted now surprised that it’s their turn to feel it,

Forgive me if my sympathy levels are at absolutely zero for anyone who voted for this lot.

[Just_Jimmy]

An age group that have overwhelmingly voted Tory despite seeing the poor shafted, small business owners shafted, the young shafted, our friends in the UK originally from the EU shafted, industries shafted, minorities shafted, the majority of us shafted now surprised that it’s their turn to feel it,

Forgive me if my sympathy levels are at absolutely zero for anyone who voted for this lot.Agreed. They made their bed...

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[Keith_M]

imagine (anti-semite) corbyn presided over a 8% rise in food prices.
Imagine (anti-semite) corbyn presided over 100,000 covid deaths.
Imagine (anti-semite) corbyn gave cash bribes to taliban.

Imagine the press reaction.


ftfy

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[Bangkok Hibby]

Agreed. They made their bed...

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I like to think I've developed a modicum of forgiveness and compassion in my old age but Tory voters can stew in the cesspit of their own making.

[DaveF]

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As if any more proof was needed to confirm Williamson as a total arse.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-w33BgWUAQu85T?format=jpg&name=medium

Well, who saw that coming, Dom? :rolleyes:

******* ****.

[Bostonhibby]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-w33BgWUAQu85T?format=jpg&name=medium

Well, who saw that coming, Dom? :rolleyes:

******* ****.Is this that levelling up thing we keep hearing about?



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[hibsbollah]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-w33BgWUAQu85T?format=jpg&name=medium

Well, who saw that coming, Dom? :rolleyes:

******* ****.

I don’t understand what DCs motivation is. He’s just careering about social media like a wrecking ball attacking the men and women he put in power, oblivious to the fact he’s much more unpopular than they are.

[wookie70]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-w33BgWUAQu85T?format=jpg&name=medium

Well, who saw that coming, Dom? :rolleyes:

******* ****.

He is right but what a total ****bag. He is part of the machine that creates the spin that convinces the desperate and hard of thinking working person to vote Tory. He needs to look in the mirror and start to see he and his type are at least as big a problem as the Tories as they enable them.

[Just Alf]

He is right but what a total ****bag. He is part of the machine that creates the spin that convinces the desperate and hard of thinking working person to vote Tory. He needs to look in the mirror and start to see he and his type are at least as big a problem as the Tories as they enable them.Agreed, he even admitted it was all spin... the £350 on the bus was an example he used... made up and not easily challenged at the time, and when it could be it was too late and after the the fact

[Kato]

Agreed, he even admitted it was all spin... the £350 on the bus was an example he used... made up and not easily challenged at the time, and when it could be it was too late and after the the fact

They lie, admit they lied yet people go on believing them. Maybe it's because it's British lies -not like the Communist lies you would have to swallow if what's his name had been elected.

[cabbageandribs1875]

nuff said

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[Hibernia&Alba]

I support the idea of free social care for all the elderly who need it in the UK. It should be fully incorporated into the NHS, which means minimal private care homes. We all pay in, as we do for hospitals, and then residential care is free at the point of use for those who need it. That means everyone pays in throughout their working lives; however, once again the Tories put the cost into the laps of lower paid workers, increasing NI contributions from 12 per cent to 13.25 on earnings below fifty thousand. However, above that amount the increase is from just 2 to 3 per cent. REMOVE THE CAP at 50,000; indeed, like income tax, make NI rates higher the more one earns. This would create a massive boost for the NHS, social care and pensions.

[heretoday]

As if any more proof was needed to confirm Williamson as a total arse.

Mind you it is very difficult to tell them apart, isn't it?

Stupid Tory ministers I mean.

[JeMeSouviens]

I support the idea of free social care for all the elderly who need it in the UK. It should be fully incorporated into the NHS, which means minimal private care homes. We all pay in, as we do for hospitals, and then residential care is free at the point of use for those who need it. That means everyone pays in throughout their working lives; however, once again the Tories put the cost into the laps of lower paid workers, increasing NI contributions from 12 per cent to 13.25 on earnings below fifty thousand. However, above that amount the increase is from just 2 to 3 per cent. REMOVE THE CAP at 50,000; indeed, like income tax, make NI rates higher the more one earns. This would create a massive boost for the NHS, social care and pensions.

I think we should just scrap NI altogether, roll it into income tax and be done with it. Regressive and confusing.

[He's here!]

I see Johnson is planning to increase National Insurance across the whole of the UK, to help fund things like Social Care.... in England.

If you need this money, why not just be honest and increase the upper tax rate by one per cent, as has been done in Scotland?

£1.1 billion of the expected £12 billion raised will be given to the Scottish government. That's almost double the £660 million which (according to the Scottish government) it will cost to establish a new national care service in Scotland. Hard to see how that can be regarded as bad news.

[Ozyhibby]

£1.1 billion of the expected £12 billion raised will be given to the Scottish government. That's almost double the £660 million which (according to the Scottish government) it will cost to establish a new national care service in Scotland. Hard to see how that can be regarded as bad news.

It’s bad news for people on lower wages who are disproportionately shouldering the burden of paying this tax?


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[Moulin Yarns]

🎵Why do birds suddenly appear Every time you are near?🎵 https://t.co/1XFfWuXuE4

[Kato]

It’s bad news for people on lower wages who are disproportionately shouldering the burden of paying this tax?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHard to see how anyone cannot see that for what it is. Rich robbing the poor, again.

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[Bostonhibby]

Hard to see how anyone cannot see that for what it is. Rich robbing the poor, again.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkUnfortunately quite a few of the victims seem happy with the perpetrators. Bonkers

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[lapsedhibee]

Hard to see how anyone cannot see that for what it is. Rich robbing the poor, again.


" ****, some people have noticed what we're doing there. How did that happen? I know, let's make up a story about two blondes in government having a personality clash and let it be known to Kuenssberg and Peston. That'll take their minds off the NI scam."

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1435862962934321153

There are only *three* Tory seats where home ownership is below 50%.

This is one reason why the government is taxing work, not wealth. https://newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2021/05/how-tory-dominance-built-home-ownership

[Future17]

£1.1 billion of the expected £12 billion raised will be given to the Scottish government. That's almost double the £660 million which (according to the Scottish government) it will cost to establish a new national care service in Scotland. Hard to see how that can be regarded as bad news.

Hard to see??

More money to be paid out by those who can least afford it whilst the affluent are untouched or get a better deal. It'd be hard to find a more Tory-esque policy.

[ronaldo7]

Hard to see??

More money to be paid out by those who can least afford it whilst the affluent are untouched or get a better deal. It'd be hard to find a more Tory-esque policy.

It takes all types.

My guess is some pensioners will lap it up. For the life of me, I can't understand why labour voters are doing so though.

Bonkers

[Ozyhibby]

It takes all types.

My guess is some pensioners will lap it up. For the life of me, I can't understand why labour voters are doing so though.

Bonkers

Because some former Labour voters are lapping up the thought of boats of refugees being turned back in the channel.


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[Glory Lurker]

Because some former Labour voters are lapping up the thought of boats of refugees being turned back in the channel.


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Exactly. The red wall will be loving it.

[degenerated]

£1.1 billion of the expected £12 billion raised will be given to the Scottish government. That's almost double the £660 million which (according to the Scottish government) it will cost to establish a new national care service in Scotland. Hard to see how that can be regarded as bad news.How much of the 1.1 billion will be raised in Scotland?

[Keith_M]

£1.1 billion of the expected £12 billion raised will be given to the Scottish government. That's almost double the £660 million which (according to the Scottish government) it will cost to establish a new national care service in Scotland. Hard to see how that can be regarded as bad news.


But wouldn't it have been a better idea just to tax the well off instead, and not disproportionately take money from those that are already struggling?

As I already said, I personally think they should have raised the current 40% tax rate, as they've done in Scotland. I'm one of the lucky people that now pays 41% and I personally have no problem with that, as it's surely the fairest solution.

[WhileTheChief..]

£1.1 billion of the expected £12 billion raised will be given to the Scottish government. That's almost double the £660 million which (according to the Scottish government) it will cost to establish a new national care service in Scotland. Hard to see how that can be regarded as bad news.

It would have been a nice refreshing change if the the Scottish Gov just came out and said great idea this, let's crack on together and make things better!

But nah, gotta make a fight out of absolutely everything.

[One Day Soon]

Hard to see??

More money to be paid out by those who can least afford it whilst the affluent are untouched or get a better deal. It'd be hard to find a more Tory-esque policy.


It is a disgrace. Freezing Council Tax is in the same territory. Reward the rich at the expense of the poor.

It's an utterly incoherent policy that won't fix the problem, funded by an incoherent taxation measure that isn't fair and recent polls suggest more people oppose it than support it. This is one of those that they will have thought looked like a clever ploy in the 72 hours during which it was cobbled together but which will fall apart in slow motion from here onwards.

[Ozyhibby]

It would have been a nice refreshing change if the the Scottish Gov just came out and said great idea this, let's crack on together and make things better!

But nah, gotta make a fight out of absolutely everything.

It would have been a nice refreshing change if the UK govt had just committed straight away to distributing the money in the normal fashion.
But nah, gotta make a fight out of absolutely everything.


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[Mr Grieves]

It would have been a nice refreshing change if the the Scottish Gov just came out and said great idea this, let's crack on together and make things better!

But nah, gotta make a fight out of absolutely everything.

It's been opposed by just about every non-tory politician in the UK precisely because it won't make things better.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I think we should just scrap NI altogether, roll it into income tax and be done with it. Regressive and confusing.

I don't mind have a tax specifically for the NHS and pensions, but the way it works is indeed regressive and needs to be reformed. I would also scrap council tax and implement a local income tax as a fairer method, but that's another debate.

[Keith_M]

It would have been a nice refreshing change if the the Scottish Gov just came out and said great idea this, let's crack on together and make things better!

But nah, gotta make a fight out of absolutely everything.


But what if it's not a good idea?

Disproportionately taxing the less well off doesn't sound great to most of us.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don't mind have a tax specifically for the NHS and pensions, but the way it works is indeed regressive and needs to be reformed. I would also scrap council tax and implement a local income tax as a fairer method, but that's another debate.

Go further down the income tax route and you'll get nowhere, the wealthiest in society don't / hardly pay any.

It's wealth that the govt should be looking to tax.

[Future17]

Go further down the income tax route and you'll get nowhere, the wealthiest in society don't / hardly pay any.

It's wealth that the govt should be looking to tax.

If that's what you believe, why do you support the Tory NI policy?

[WhileTheChief..]

I generally don't agree with tax rises but everyone is living longer meaning that health, care and pension costs are going to continue to spiral.

They've got to be paid for and NI is a fair way to do it. Well aware that most of you disagree with that bit!

I think the idea has generally been accepted by the public though.

I'm not seeing much opposition to the actual rise, just that some of you feel that it's only higher earners that should be paying it??

[Moulin Yarns]

I generally don't agree with tax rises but everyone is living longer meaning that health, care and pension costs are going to continue to spiral.

They've got to be paid for and NI is a fair way to do it. Well aware that most of you disagree with that bit!

I think the idea has generally been accepted by the public though.

I'm not seeing much opposition to the actual rise, just that some of you feel that it's only higher earners that should be paying it??

So, say that you are a pensioner who currently doesn't pay NI but you paid all your working life. Now you will have to pay NI a second time.


How exactly is that a fair taxation??

[WhileTheChief..]

Pensioners turning 65 today are a totally different demographic to someone turning 65 in the 80s or 90s.

Baby boomers are the wealthiest generation of pensioners ever with a lot of them having inherited a property. Not something that was so common 20 or 30 years ago.

They're not all living in council housing relying on the state pension to feed or heat themselves so let's not pretend otherwise. Again, I'm aware that some are, but i'm talking generally here.

Next time you're at ER look at the folk getting out of their cars. A lot of grey haired chaps in their BMWs and Mercs etc are not your stereotypical skint pensioner!

You think a pensioner couple in their 6 bed house in Marchmont can't afford it?

They've enjoyed the triple lock on the state pension for years so a 1.5% tax shouldn't really be too much of a burden.

The way I look at it is you pay your dues throughout your working life so that you don't need to worry about being looked after when you're older.

If not through NI, what would have a been a fair way to raise the extra money?

[hibsbollah]

Pensioners turning 65 today are a totally different demographic to someone turning 65 in the 80s or 90s.

Baby boomers are the wealthiest generation of pensioners ever with a lot of them having inherited a property. Not something that was so common 20 or 30 years ago.

They're not all living in council housing relying on the state pension to feed or heat themselves so let's not pretend otherwise. Again, I'm aware that some are, but i'm talking generally here.

Next time you're at ER look at the folk getting out of their cars. A lot of grey haired chaps in their BMWs and Mercs etc are not your stereotypical skint pensioner!

You think a pensioner couple in their 6 bed house in Marchmont can't afford it?

They've enjoyed the triple lock on the state pension for years so a 1.5% tax shouldn't really be too much of a burden.

The way I look at it is you pay your dues throughout your working life so that you don't need to worry about being looked after when you're older.

If not through NI, what would have a been a fair way to raise the extra money?

I don’t think you understand why people don’t like the increase in NI contributions. It’s definitely not because it penalises rich pensioners who live in six bedroom houses in Marchmont, that’s the people it definitely doesn’t punish :dunno:

A fairer way to fund social care (assuming the £350 million a day we’re not giving to the EU anymore was actually a big lie) could include a tax on personal wealth, a tax on inheritance, a tax on property, a tax on second home, lots of alternatives.

Also, an increase from 12% to 13.25% is a 10% tax increase, it’s not a ‘1.5% tax’.

[Keith_M]

Pensioners turning 65 today are a totally different demographic to someone turning 65 in the 80s or 90s.

Baby boomers are the wealthiest generation of pensioners ever with a lot of them having inherited a property. Not something that was so common 20 or 30 years ago.

They're not all living in council housing relying on the state pension to feed or heat themselves so let's not pretend otherwise. Again, I'm aware that some are, but i'm talking generally here.

Next time you're at ER look at the folk getting out of their cars. A lot of grey haired chaps in their BMWs and Mercs etc are not your stereotypical skint pensioner!

You think a pensioner couple in their 6 bed house in Marchmont can't afford it?

They've enjoyed the triple lock on the state pension for years so a 1.5% tax shouldn't really be too much of a burden.

The way I look at it is you pay your dues throughout your working life so that you don't need to worry about being looked after when you're older.

If not through NI, what would have a been a fair way to raise the extra money?


That's an incredibly narrow and cliché'd view of pensioners.

Do they really all live in Marchmont, with triple-locked pensions and drive Mercs or BMWs?

I'll need to speak to my Dad, as he's obviously doing it wrong living in his one bed flat in Port Seton with his old Toyota parked outside.

[Northernhibee]

In my mind, second homes - holiday homes, buy to let properties and the like should be used towards social care at 100% of their value and a percentage of first homes too.

The younger generations have been hammered by the pandemic, with zero hour contracts, ridiculous rent prices and the like and 80% wages being a toxic mix. A generation who for many will never be able to afford their own home.

The older generations have been far more likely to vote for Brexit and Tories which exacerbates the younger generations issues despite seeing what the Tory *******s have been doing to workers, youngsters, small business, immigrants and more. To now expect younger people to fund their retirement and social care when they’re already so much on the breadline is morally bankrupt when it’s already unlikely they’ll never enjoy the same benefits when they are older.

Hammering second, third homes etc rebalances the difference in the housing market, allows a large percentage of first home equity to be kept and is fairer on poorer pensioners who don’t own a home.

I realise that there is still a need for a tax rise to fund care but this shouldn’t be disproportionately unfair towards young workers who quite frankly have a bigger headache ahead of them and will have less to look forward to in their old age.

[Jack]

Well played to the torys on this!

Everyone on here and elsewhere arguing amongst themselves blaming different sections of society when we should all be concentrating on blaming the torys and only the torys for this huge tax hike.

[lapsedhibee]

Well played to the torys on this!

Everyone on here and elsewhere arguing amongst themselves blaming different sections of society when we should all be concentrating on blaming the torys and only the torys for this huge tax hike.

:agree: Divide, divide and divide again, only pausing for breath to call the Scottish Nationalist Party divisive.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don’t think you understand why people don’t like the increase in NI contributions. It’s definitely not because it penalises rich pensioners who live in six bedroom houses in Marchmont, that’s the people it definitely doesn’t punish :dunno:

A fairer way to fund social care (assuming the £350 million a day we’re not giving to the EU anymore was actually a big lie) could include a tax on personal wealth, a tax on inheritance, a tax on property, a tax on second home, lots of alternatives.

Also, an increase from 12% to 13.25% is a 10% tax increase, it’s not a ‘1.5% tax’.

I already said it's wealth the govt should be looking to tax, not income :aok:

[WhileTheChief..]

That's an incredibly narrow and cliché'd view of pensioners.

Do they really all live in Marchmont, with triple-locked pensions and drive Mercs or BMWs?

I'll need to speak to my Dad, as he's obviously doing it wrong living in his one bed flat in Port Seton with his old Toyota parked outside.

Maybe, but so is the view that they're all skint and using food banks. Just a bit of balance!

[Moulin Yarns]

If not through NI, what would have a been a fair way to raise the extra money?

Higher rate income tax on earnings above £50k?

[WhileTheChief..]

Why £50k and what sort of rate are you thinking about?

It's 41% just now. I don't know enough about it but raising that to say 50%, would that make a big enough difference?

If it was that simple, why don't governments across the world do it?

[Stairway 2 7]

Why £50k and what sort of rate are you thinking about?

It's 41% just now. I don't know enough about it but raising that to say 50%, would that make a big enough difference?

If it was that simple, why don't governments across the world do it?

Because the turkeys generally don't vote for Christmas, self preservation.

[WhileTheChief..]

Because the turkeys generally don't vote for Christmas, self preservation.

Top rate of income tax in China is 45%.

[Moulin Yarns]

Why £50k and what sort of rate are you thinking about?

It's 41% just now. I don't know enough about it but raising that to say 50%, would that make a big enough difference?

If it was that simple, why don't governments across the world do it?

£50k was just a figure, what is the average salary? £30k

Top rate is 41% in Scotland, 40% in England.


A balance between what they have to charge and what they would like to charge?


Personally I would rather have a system of flexibility in local income tax to fund local services and a flat rate national infrastructure. But that's a whole different debate.

[WhileTheChief..]

Let's put some numbers to it.

If I earn £12,500 today, my take-home pay is £1,012 per month. No income tax and NI of £29.

Next week i retire on the state pension of approx £9,300 and let's say I've got a small personal pension bringing my income up to the same £12,500. That's a perfectly reasonable, real life example.

As things stand, my take home income is now £1,042 as I don't pay NI as a pensioner.

Under the new rules I'll pay the £29 plus the little bit extra that's been announced, bringing me back down to the level i was on while working.

Is it really that bad?

[Jack]

Let's put some numbers to it.

If I earn £12,500 today, my take-home pay is £1,012 per month. No income tax and NI of £29.

Next week i retire on the state pension of approx £9,300 and let's say I've got a small personal pension bringing my income up to the same £12,500. That's a perfectly reasonable, real life example.

As things stand, my take home income is now £1,042 as I don't pay NI as a pensioner.

Under the new rules I'll pay the £29 plus the little bit extra that's been announced, bringing me back down to the level i was on while working.

Is it really that bad?

If anyone wants to do their own calculations.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/tax-calculator/

[hibsbollah]

…there’s also a universal credit benefit cut of £20 a week coming in very soon, in case anyone forgot.

[Kato]

…there’s a universal credit benefit cut of £20 a week coming in very soon, in case anyone forgot.

....and probable inflation once the food shortages start to really kick-in post the next layer of Brexit restrictions.

[WhileTheChief..]

If anyone wants to do their own calculations.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/tax-calculator/

Gives the same results as I posted:aok:

[ronaldo7]

That's an incredibly narrow and cliché'd view of pensioners.

Do they really all live in Marchmont, with triple-locked pensions and drive Mercs or BMWs?

I'll need to speak to my Dad, as he's obviously doing it wrong living in his one bed flat in Port Seton with his old Toyota parked outside.

All those pensioners with their fancy cars. 😂

[Andy Bee]

Let's put some numbers to it.

If I earn £12,500 today, my take-home pay is £1,012 per month. No income tax and NI of £29.

Next week i retire on the state pension of approx £9,300 and let's say I've got a small personal pension bringing my income up to the same £12,500. That's a perfectly reasonable, real life example.

As things stand, my take home income is now £1,042 as I don't pay NI as a pensioner.

Under the new rules I'll pay the £29 plus the little bit extra that's been announced, bringing me back down to the level i was on while working.

Is it really that bad?

If you earn £12500 today you're likely to be receiving Universal Credit, that Universal Credit is about to be cut by £1000 a year when the uplift is stopped and your NI contributions are about to rise by 1.25%. Using the previously mentioned figure of £50k you're paying the 1.25% increase but only paying 2% NI over approx £50k so the percentage of income lost is more from the person on £12500, how's that fair?

[Stairway 2 7]

I thought this was a joke but sadly real. Looks like they actually are training people on jet skis to bump incoming immigrant boats 180 to send them back to France. The hope is they don't know how to drive it and will just go back. Utterly pathetic. Unconfirmed rumours they will first ask do any of you play tennis or have a hgv license, before sending back

https://mobile.twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1437454004641009665

[Kato]

I thought this was a joke but sadly real. Looks like they actually are training people on jet skis to bump incoming immigrant boats 180 to send them back to France. The hope is they don't know how to drive it and will just go back. Utterly pathetic. Unconfirmed rumours they will first ask do any of you play tennis or have a hgv license, before sending back

https://mobile.twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1437454004641009665


https://youtu.be/-KAWylrnlvA

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[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/14/one-rule-for-them-boris-johnson-criticised-maskless-cabinet-meeting

Just unbelievable. But everyday and commonplace down the rabbit hole.

[Callum_62]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/14/one-rule-for-them-boris-johnson-criticised-maskless-cabinet-meeting

Just unbelievable. But everyday and commonplace down the rabbit hole.Mind when sturgeon took too long to put her mask on that one time?

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210915/147b4515dec789195e2ba6fbcf75234c.jpg

This dick gets a new job every couple of months.


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[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210915/147b4515dec789195e2ba6fbcf75234c.jpg

This dick gets a new job every couple of months.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAt least there should be plenty coke available at xmas.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Gave Williamson sacked as education secretary.

Cabinet reshuffle happening now

[He's here!]

Gave Williamson sacked as education secretary.

Cabinet reshuffle happening now

Not before time. He seemed as hapless as Swinney.

[Bostonhibby]

Gave Williamson sacked as education secretary.

Cabinet reshuffle happening nowSo the Chris Grayling role in cabinet is up for grabs again.

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[Kato]

Cabinet reshuffle happening now

BBC News trying to make it seem exciting and important. Shifting one money grubber around for another.

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[Jack]

BBC said on the news that this was a much anticipated reshuffle.

Did anyone know before today it was happening?

[Bostonhibby]

BBC said on the news that this was a much anticipated reshuffle.

Did anyone know before today it was happening?Laura Keunsberg?
Maybe overheard when she was cleaning Bozo's toilet.

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[Ryan91]

This Cabinet reshuffle shows that it is indeed possible to fail upwards. Be **** at your job and get a newer, better one a few months later.

[hibsbollah]

This Cabinet reshuffle shows that it is indeed possible to fail upwards. Be **** at your job and get a newer, better one a few months later.

I really want to say something original about this shambles of a government . But if you’d ask me to name the two absolute worst performers after Williamson in terms of opening their mouths and speaking, I’d say Liz Truss and Zahawi. Both promoted today to massive jobs, foreign office and education. Rabb gets deputy PM and justice. I can only assume he’s done it for tactical reasons.

Also keeps the Universal credit cut out of the politics news.

Edit- and this is our new ‘culture secretary’…
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/nadine-dorries-panto_uk_5a43bc80e4b0b0e5a7a417a7/

[One Day Soon]

I really want to say something original about this shambles of a government . But if you’d ask me to name the two absolute worst performers after Williamson in terms of opening their mouths and speaking, I’d say Liz Truss and Zahawi. Both promoted today to massive jobs, foreign office and education. Rabb gets deputy PM and justice. I can only assume he’s done it for tactical reasons.

Also keeps the Universal credit cut out of the politics news.

Edit- and this is our new ‘culture secretary’…
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/nadine-dorries-panto_uk_5a43bc80e4b0b0e5a7a417a7/


Yes but an honourable mention for Dorries who really is a one person political cluster****. Every time you think they've reached the bottom they find another lower level and Dorries in Cabinet is one of those.

Some, like Coffey, are dissembling 'I speak your pish' Central Office identikit muppets. Others, like Dorries, have a particular talent for denseness cross-fertilised with a real nasty streak.

[hibsbollah]

Yes but an honourable mention for Dorries who really is a one person political cluster****. Every time you think they've reached the bottom they find another lower level and Dorries in Cabinet is one of those.

Some, like Coffey, are dissembling 'I speak your pish' Central Office identikit muppets. Others, like Dorries, have a particular talent for denseness cross-fertilised with a real nasty streak.

Dorries is there because she’s working class and a woman. I really think it’s that simple.

[Ozyhibby]

At least Alistair Jack kept his job. I don’t know what Scotland would do without him.


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[One Day Soon]

Dorries is there because she’s working class and a woman. I really think it’s that simple.

I think she's there because she dog whistles for them. And by dog whistle I mean more like holding up giant message boards, and using a megaphone.

[Northernhibee]

PMQs today was an utter embarrassment.

[hibsbollah]

PMQs today was an utter embarrassment.

In what way? For whom?

I ask because, although it doesn’t make me warm to him any more, I thought that was Starmers best day yet in terms of actually getting some damage in on Bawjaws. Now going forward Universal credit needs to be hammered home, every day, mercilessly. When a minister thinks she can get away with saying taking £20 off UC ‘only represents two hours of work, we need to find a way of getting them that extra two hours back’, it reveals the utter stupidity mixed with contempt for the ‘hard working families of Britain’ I keep hearing so much about.

[Bostonhibby]

Gove's been handed a real easy job since there's absolutely no food shortages to worry about so we don't really need someone to take back control of supply.

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[Northernhibee]

In what way? For whom?

I ask because, although it doesn’t make me warm to him any more, I thought that was Starmers best day yet in terms of actually getting some damage in on Bawjaws. Now going forward Universal credit needs to be hammered home, every day, mercilessly. When a minister thinks she can get away with saying taking £20 off UC ‘only represents two hours of work, we need to find a way of getting them that extra two hours back’, it reveals the utter stupidity mixed with contempt for the ‘hard working families of Britain’ I keep hearing so much about.

I meant more for Johnson. Not even close to answering a question, still with the “Scottish Nationalist Party” stuff and also lying about Labour wanting to scrap benefits.

Disgraceful.

[lapsedhibee]

Dorries is there because she’s working class and a woman. I really think it’s that simple.

Baffling that there's still no cabinet place for Andrea Jenkyns. She'd fit right in (and she worked in Greggs once).

[hibsbollah]

I meant more for Johnson. Not even close to answering a question, still with the “Scottish Nationalist Party” stuff and also lying about Labour wanting to scrap benefits.

Disgraceful.

Agree. I felt a real sense of disgust watching his performance today. He makes a joke out of everything.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/independent/status/1437447246161850372?s=21

Minister for the Union.


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[ronaldo7]

I see the spineless six voted to send more children into poverty yesterday. Leveling up agenda going well, for them.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/independent/status/1437447246161850372?s=21

Minister for the Union.


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This guy actually makes policy rather than adverts.

[cabbageandribs1875]

shut up Ross once and for all, Diddy

Douglas Ross:
"I cannot sit here and listen to the First Minister say that the comments from the Health Secretary are the same we are hearing elsewhere in the United Kingdom.
I have heard no one else telling people to ‘think twice’ before they call an ambulance."
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[Stairway 2 7]

Couldn't make it up. The equality minister is a bigot

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/jg8znx/uk-equalities-minister-kemi-badenoch-goes-on-anti-lgbtq-rant-in-leaked-audio?__twitter_impression=true

[Andy Bee]

Listening to LBC tonight and Camilla Tominay reckons Gavin Williamson is on for a Knighthood. There must be some serious skeletons in the PMs locker if this turns out to be true.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210920/80ccfa3d8cfc910343c9f99afb27f58d.jpg
Douglas Ross and Cole-Hamilton don’t even get a mention.[emoji23]


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[Northernhibee]

Tories extended lead by two points in latest poll.

Baffling.

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/entertainment/douglas-ross-and-wife-willing-to-be-part-of-gogglebox-tv-show?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Ross wants yet another job as if failing at all the rest wasn’t enough.[emoji23]


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[Callum_62]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/20/johnsons-claim-dutch-pm-offered-to-mediate-in-brexit-row-not-true-say-sources?__twitter_impression=true

Another lie to add to the pile

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[Andy Bee]

Dominic Raaaaaaaab and Liz Truss squabling over who gets the use of the weekend gaff. How the other half live :bitchy:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-chevening-truss-raab-b1923677.html

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/bbcdouglasf/status/1440779996528742403?s=21


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Johnson and his corrupt cabinet members should all end up in jail, crooked shower of ******** the lot of them :agree:

good law project...

For months, Government has been refusing to hand over evidence in our challenge concerning Abingdon Health, the testing company awarded £85 million worth of contracts without competition. Yesterday we took Government to Court to fight for this evidence - and we had a good day.
The Judge ordered the search of Matt Hancock’s WhatsApp messages and personal email accounts. We believe this is the first time a Judge has ordered a Minister, or ex-minister, to hand over their personal WhatsApps and text messages.
In fact, the Judge seemed to share our view more generally that Government’s explanations for why they haven’t recovered information from Ministers’ devices simply do not stack up, and he ruled as follows:


Lord Bethell must provide a Witness Statement to the Court to explain - once and for all - what happened to his phone.
Government needs to provide a Witness Statement to the Court explaining how they are going to ensure they recover all the necessary data from Bethell’s phone.
In addition to coughing up Lord Bethell’s private emails, Government must also trawl Matt Hancock’s personal emails and WhatsApps for relevant information as to how these contracts came to be awarded with no competition.

We will now get to see previously hidden messages from the Ministers involved in awarding this lucrative contract. We will also issue an application against Professor Sir John Bell in respect of his documents (to cover WhatsApp, University of Oxford emails and personal emails). He has previously refused to share any of his records, despite his hugely significant role in the contract awards.
Will these documents shed more light on the murky goings-on in the awarding of these contracts? Contracts which Ministers overruled their own legal advisors to sign, leaving taxpayers with a multimillion-pound bill when it turned out the tests didn’t even work.
The Judge remarked yesterday that Good Law Project is “holding the government - correctly - to high standards of conduct, both in the awards of contracts and generally” - and we will continue to do so.
Thank you,
Gemma Abbott
Legal Director

[Jack]

So much for an Eton education when the best analogy Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson can come up with for the World coming to an end is the Muppets!

Muppet!!

[cabbageandribs1875]

So much for an Eton education when the best analogy Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson can come up with for the World coming to an end is the Muppets!

Muppet!!


he's a clown


Boris Johnson falls flat at UN summit with joke about Kermit the frog | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19599807.boris-johnson-falls-flat-un-summit-joke-kermit-frog/?fbclid=IwAR2QaI-lwSXy1rxswI-Umov8AstPcDoUUNzp7tHEzNyt-NZueXiAXWPncvk)

[One Day Soon]

So much for an Eton education when the best analogy Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson can come up with for the World coming to an end is the Muppets!

Muppet!!


He really is very ***** at his job. You get the feeling that when the downturn in his/their popularity does eventually bed in he is going to be dumped pretty unceremoniously because he's the kind of character that once people dislike him, they really dislike him. He's whatever the Etonian version of Marmite is.

[hibsbollah]

he's a clown


Boris Johnson falls flat at UN summit with joke about Kermit the frog | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19599807.boris-johnson-falls-flat-un-summit-joke-kermit-frog/?fbclid=IwAR2QaI-lwSXy1rxswI-Umov8AstPcDoUUNzp7tHEzNyt-NZueXiAXWPncvk)

Does Kermit the Frog still resonate with people? Boris really needs to watch Malcolm Tuckers Zeitgeist Tapes.

[Glory Lurker]

A dire joke in a speech by a dire joke.

[Kato]

If he cracked that in front of his supporters the most embarrassing thing would be the fake laughter from his sycophants. As it is he's still more embarrassing than the joke.

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[Ozyhibby]

We mock them constantly but it makes zero difference. They are still riding high in the polls. Johnson will be PM for the next decade.

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[hibsbollah]

We mock them constantly but it makes zero difference. They are still riding high in the polls. Johnson will be PM for the next decade.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210924/e25bc24a4fb04c554e5b9f5ca1b169d2.jpg


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In mid term, in the state the country is in on multiple fronts, a five point lead is just embarrassing. Starmer is, by every measure, a worse leader than his predecessors, without even the benefit of having any policies or principles on which to be judged.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i don't like Rayner, but........... i really wish she Hadn't held back:hilarious

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[cabbageandribs1875]

We mock them constantly but it makes zero difference. They are still riding high in the polls. Johnson will be PM for the next decade.

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Scotland has at least a chance to miss all the pain that's heading our way

[Bangkok Hibby]

Scotland has at least a chance to miss all the pain that's heading our way

Indeed, but even in Scotland there are enough people prepared to be whipped mercilessly by their masters if it protects their precious union.

[Steven79]

Indeed, but even in Scotland there are enough people prepared to be whipped mercilessly by their masters if it protects their precious union.Too many victims voting for the abusers on these islands...

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[ronaldo7]

Bozo has been found.

https://twitter.com/luckyma_man/status/1442581268022140937

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210930/1ff3adcde5ee252947201eebdb375984.jpg

Just £150k donation to the Tory party and you too could start ruling the lives of Scots.


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[ronaldo7]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210930/1ff3adcde5ee252947201eebdb375984.jpg

Just £150k donation to the Tory party and you too could start ruling the lives of Scots.


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This should be duplicated on the Labour party thread. Sir Keir, started his speech yesterday by thanking his shadow cabinet and shadow lords.

Charlatans, the lot of them.

[Kato]

shadow lords.

Shadow Lords.

》Shadow Lords.《

It's like an episode of The Orville where they discover some M class planet with a dystopian, entitled ruling class. The crew know that the vast majority of its inhabitants just want to graft, party and get laid but they're not allowed to interfere.



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[Ozyhibby]

This should be duplicated on the Labour party thread. Sir Keir, started his speech yesterday by thanking his shadow cabinet and shadow lords.

Charlatans, the lot of them.

One of the benefits of Indy will be to turn Scotland into a full democracy.


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[neil7908]

We mock them constantly but it makes zero difference. They are still riding high in the polls. Johnson will be PM for the next decade.

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The frustration here personally is that we have 51% of the country who want to back a party on the left.

But it doesn't matter as they won't work together or change the system. So we'll keep getting Tory rule.

[ronaldo7]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210930/1ff3adcde5ee252947201eebdb375984.jpg

Just £150k donation to the Tory party and you too could start ruling the lives of Scots.


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The same guy ran no borders back in 2014.

Rejected by the electorate at Holyrood, and still the Tories shoehorn him into the "Scottish office".

[Future17]

This should be duplicated on the Labour party thread. Sir Keir, started his speech yesterday by thanking his shadow cabinet and shadow lords.

Charlatans, the lot of them.

He didn't really use those words did he??


The same guy ran no borders back in 2014.

Rejected by the electorate at Holyrood, and still the Tories shoehorn him into the "Scottish office".

Thanks! Been racking my brains all morning to think where I'd dealt with him before! :rolleyes:

[ronaldo7]

He didn't really use those words did he??

Yes, he did.

Thanks! Been racking my brains all morning to think where I'd dealt with him before! :rolleyes:

You're welcome.

Here's some more info on him, but I'm sure you'll know about his dealings with foreign governments and DFID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXQYuLUAbyw&t=795s

[SHODAN]

The frustration here personally is that we have 51% of the country who want to back a party on the left.

But it doesn't matter as they won't work together or change the system. So we'll keep getting Tory rule.

I wouldn't be so quick to label the Lib Dems as left.

[Hibrandenburg]

One **** up after another and lies upon lies. Any other country in the world and the streets would be rammed with people calling for their heads. Chances are they'll even get reelected, how much more is the British public willing to take?

[degenerated]

how much more is the British public willing to take?

However much voters in England decide we should.

[Radium]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/boris-johnson-rigging-the-system-power-courts-protest-elections


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[Radium]

https://twitter.com/jonashworth/status/1444206716799930368?s=21


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[ronaldo7]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/boris-johnson-rigging-the-system-power-courts-protest-elections


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If this wasn’t us, how would we describe it? If this was Viktor Orbán’s Hungary, or Poland, what language might we use? Would an announcer on the BBC World Service declare: “Amid fuel and food shortages, the government has moved to cement its grip on power. It’s taking action against the courts, shrinking their ability to hold the ruling party to account, curbing citizens’ right to protest and imposing new rules that would gag whistleblowers and sharply restrict freedom of the press. It’s also moving against election monitors while changing voting rules, which observers say will hurt beleaguered opposition groups … ”

Bang on the money. It's about time the Scottish progressives in the Labour party started mouthing off to their "Leader", any of them.

[ronaldo7]

The new Tory Lord up to no good, never mind No borders, and the astro turfing back in 2014, along with a subservient BBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXQYuLUAbyw&t=795s

13 Minutes in.

[Hibrandenburg]

If this wasn’t us, how would we describe it? If this was Viktor Orbán’s Hungary, or Poland, what language might we use? Would an announcer on the BBC World Service declare: “Amid fuel and food shortages, the government has moved to cement its grip on power. It’s taking action against the courts, shrinking their ability to hold the ruling party to account, curbing citizens’ right to protest and imposing new rules that would gag whistleblowers and sharply restrict freedom of the press. It’s also moving against election monitors while changing voting rules, which observers say will hurt beleaguered opposition groups … ”

Bang on the money. It's about time the Scottish progressives in the Labour party started mouthing off to their "Leader", any of them.

:agree: The UK is starting to look like a failed state.

[Bostonhibby]

:agree: The UK is starting to look like a failed state.Banana Republic? Assuming we can get the bananas.

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[JimBHibees]

If this wasn’t us, how would we describe it? If this was Viktor Orbán’s Hungary, or Poland, what language might we use? Would an announcer on the BBC World Service declare: “Amid fuel and food shortages, the government has moved to cement its grip on power. It’s taking action against the courts, shrinking their ability to hold the ruling party to account, curbing citizens’ right to protest and imposing new rules that would gag whistleblowers and sharply restrict freedom of the press. It’s also moving against election monitors while changing voting rules, which observers say will hurt beleaguered opposition groups … ”

Bang on the money. It's about time the Scottish progressives in the Labour party started mouthing off to their "Leader", any of them.

Absolutely incredible the lack of real journalistic rigour in this country becoming more authoritarian by the day, very scary stuff imo. BBC are a state broadcaster at the moment.

[Ozyhibby]

Absolutely incredible the lack of real journalistic rigour in this country becoming more authoritarian by the day, very scary stuff imo. BBC are a state broadcaster at the moment.

BBC have always been that. It was clear in 2014.


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[Bostonhibby]

BBC have always been that. It was clear in 2014.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThere are plenty down here who believe the BBC are too left wing, encounter it too frequently for it not to be a widely held view.

There does tend to be a stereotype here and is probably based on a very long held view.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Banana Republic? Assuming we can get the bananas.

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Have you seen the supermarket shelves, we have become a carrot Republic, or should that be a carrot cartel?

[StevieC]

Banana Republic? Assuming we can get the bananas.

Although the shape of the bananas we get will be dictated by Brussels 😉

[JimBHibees]

BBC have always been that. It was clear in 2014.


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Yes was giving them the benefit of the doubt with the at the moment bit.

[Bostonhibby]

Have you seen the supermarket shelves, we have become a carrot Republic, or should that be a carrot cartel?Once we corner the global carrot market we will probably need free movement of labour from Europe to get them picked as most farmers round here will tell you, the local labour isn't exactly queuing up to pick them.



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[cabbageandribs1875]

Boris Johnson condemned for saying ‘never mind’ about cancer outcomes | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-never-mind-cancer-b1931147.html?fbclid=IwAR2q7OVugDKp_nmcDZe6eV1s6xp rQqE4Np-CnvB5sTfX5Tb84LBKmdh1BeQ)

Boris Johnson (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/boris-johnson) has sparked outrage on the eve of the Conservative Party (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/conservative-party) conference after saying “never mind” about cancer (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/cancer) death rates and the recent fall in life expectancy.
Grilled about his plans for Britain’s recovery from the Covid (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/covid) crisis, the prime minister chose to emphasise economic growth over health measures.

Pointing to the recent growth in wages, Mr Johnson told the BBC: “I’ve given you the most important metric – never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes – look at wage growth.”

[Crunchie]

Absolutely incredible the lack of real journalistic rigour in this country becoming more authoritarian by the day, very scary stuff imo. BBC are a state broadcaster at the moment.
Dearie me :rolleyes:

[silverhibee]

Boris Johnson condemned for saying ‘never mind’ about cancer outcomes | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-never-mind-cancer-b1931147.html?fbclid=IwAR2q7OVugDKp_nmcDZe6eV1s6xp rQqE4Np-CnvB5sTfX5Tb84LBKmdh1BeQ)

Boris Johnson (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/boris-johnson) has sparked outrage on the eve of the Conservative Party (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/conservative-party) conference after saying “never mind” about cancer (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/cancer) death rates and the recent fall in life expectancy.
Grilled about his plans for Britain’s recovery from the Covid (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/covid) crisis, the prime minister chose to emphasise economic growth over health measures.

Pointing to the recent growth in wages, Mr Johnson told the BBC: “I’ve given you the most important metric – never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes – look at wage growth.”

It’s all about the money for Boris and he has just told us that in the most callous way, horrible person who should be hung from the Tower bridge.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It’s all about the money for Boris and he has just told us that in the most callous way, horrible person who should be hung from the Tower bridge.


there's always going to be evil nasty politicians, i'm more concerned that there's people around us in society that agree with them and vote them in

[Crunchie]

It’s all about the money for Boris and he has just told us that in the most callous way, horrible person who should be hung from the Tower bridge.
I'm all in favour of capital punishment for certain crimes, do you really think Boris should be hung? I'd be interested to know your honest opinion.

[Bostonhibby]

Boris Johnson condemned for saying ‘never mind’ about cancer outcomes | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-never-mind-cancer-b1931147.html?fbclid=IwAR2q7OVugDKp_nmcDZe6eV1s6xp rQqE4Np-CnvB5sTfX5Tb84LBKmdh1BeQ)

Boris Johnson (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/boris-johnson) has sparked outrage on the eve of the Conservative Party (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/conservative-party) conference after saying “never mind” about cancer (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/cancer) death rates and the recent fall in life expectancy.
Grilled about his plans for Britain’s recovery from the Covid (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/covid) crisis, the prime minister chose to emphasise economic growth over health measures.

Pointing to the recent growth in wages, Mr Johnson told the BBC: “I’ve given you the most important metric – never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes – look at wage growth.”Just when you thought he couldn't slink any lower, the mask slips again.

Nasty.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/writesbright/status/1444589324486512642?s=21

Johnson completely ignores reality and keeps on lying.


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[Killiehibbie]

I'm all in favour of capital punishment for certain crimes, do you really think Boris should be hung? I'd be interested to know your honest opinion.

Dead in a ditch has a certain appeal.

[Jones28]

Banana Republic? Assuming we can get the bananas.

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Carrot and Parsnip republic?

[Bostonhibby]

Carrot and Parsnip republic?Got potential, if only there was a pool of labour somewhere willing to pick them all.

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[Hiber-nation]

Johnson's performance on Marr this morning was possibly the worst performance in an interview by any British politician ever.

[Jack]

Johnson's performance on Marr this morning was possibly the worst performance in an interview by any British politician ever.

Which is why the coward only does interviews when he absolutely has to.

[Bostonhibby]

Which is why the coward only does interviews when he absolutely has to.Or he's with his favourite tame interviewer[emoji6]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211004/26531d2e6b7c79352ed6e4b1ea718eec.jpg

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[lapsedhibee]

Johnson's performance on Marr this morning was possibly the worst performance in an interview by any British politician ever.

He could have easily dealt with those awkward questions by simply taking Marr's microphone off him and putting it in his pocket.

[hibsbollah]

Carrot and Parsnip republic?

Yet again, we are forgetting the humble, indigenous turnip.

[ronaldo7]

As the £20 universal credit uplift is about to be removed, tax rises are being implemented, and the Northern Ireland protocol is about to be ripped up. The Scottish tory MP, Andrew Bowie decides that having an egg and spoon race with times journo, Kieran Andrews is what conference is all about.

The times we live in.

https://twitter.com/AndrewBowie_MP/status/1444994355928997888

[Hibernia&Alba]

Boris Johnson condemned for saying ‘never mind’ about cancer outcomes | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-never-mind-cancer-b1931147.html?fbclid=IwAR2q7OVugDKp_nmcDZe6eV1s6xp rQqE4Np-CnvB5sTfX5Tb84LBKmdh1BeQ)

Boris Johnson (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/boris-johnson) has sparked outrage on the eve of the Conservative Party (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/conservative-party) conference after saying “never mind” about cancer (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/cancer) death rates and the recent fall in life expectancy.
Grilled about his plans for Britain’s recovery from the Covid (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/covid) crisis, the prime minister chose to emphasise economic growth over health measures.

Pointing to the recent growth in wages, Mr Johnson told the BBC: “I’ve given you the most important metric – never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes – look at wage growth.”

Money worship has been at the centre of Tory philosophy since Thatcherism attempted to commodify every aspect of life. Everything is about financial exchange, ergo nothing is morally sacred. Everything has its price and nothing is more important than the pursuit of money; not even death.


https://youtu.be/2huztQKb2QI

[Hibernia&Alba]

Both infuriating and heart-breaking:


https://youtu.be/yWqSaO576RA

[cabbageandribs1875]

Money worship has been at the centre of Tory philosophy since Thatcherism attempted to commodify every aspect of life. Everything is about financial exchange, ergo nothing is morally sacred. Everything has its price and nothing is more important than the pursuit of money; not even death.



and even more stench for the party of corruptness


Pandora Papers: Questions over Tory donations by ex-Russian minister's wife - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58711151)



Mohammed Amersi, who had given nearly £525,000 to the Tories since 2018, (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58783460) was involved in one of Europe's biggest corruption scandals that resulted in a telecoms company being fined $965m (£700m) in a US prosecution




A businessman whose companies donated to 34 Conservative MPs (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-58791274) is alleged to have made millions from one of Russia's largest fraud scandals. Former oil executive Victor Fedotov is the owner of a company behind a controversial infrastructure project in the English Channel, which is currently awaiting UK government approval



tip of the iceberg, one day even the most gullable of Tory voters will finally twig exactly what Brexit was about

[Bostonhibby]

Yet again, we are forgetting the humble, indigenous turnip.To be fair a helluva lot of people voted for him in the last general election.

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[Kato]

Watching News night at the Torrie Party conference.

Explanations of "levelling up" being offered.

Not one explanation consistent with another.

Top comedy.

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[JimBHibees]

and even more stench for the party of corruptness


Pandora Papers: Questions over Tory donations by ex-Russian minister's wife - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58711151)



Mohammed Amersi, who had given nearly £525,000 to the Tories since 2018, (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58783460) was involved in one of Europe's biggest corruption scandals that resulted in a telecoms company being fined $965m (£700m) in a US prosecution




A businessman whose companies donated to 34 Conservative MPs (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-58791274) is alleged to have made millions from one of Russia's largest fraud scandals. Former oil executive Victor Fedotov is the owner of a company behind a controversial infrastructure project in the English Channel, which is currently awaiting UK government approval



tip of the iceberg, one day even the most gullable of Tory voters will finally twig exactly what Brexit was about

Unfortunately the Tory voters don't care a jot about that. British values though

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1445145727202697218?s=21


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[bigwheel]

Unfortunately the Tory voters don't care a jot about that. British values though

I often think Tory voters see those types of things as a medal of honour ..shows they are “streetwise”….

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/opinion/just-how-scottish-are-the-scottish-tories-and-what-are-they-for?top&amp&__twitter_impression=true


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[Bostonhibby]

I often think Tory voters see those types of things as a medal of honour ..shows they are “streetwise”….Taking Back Control whilst an unknown slice of your country is in the hands of unknown foreigners, whose sources of income are unknown.

Banana republic doesn't cover it.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/gmb/status/1445294194365505537?s=21


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[Kato]

This was posted yesterday.

https://mobile.twitter.com/STVNews/status/1444977158636584964

Look around 1min8secs and he does an eye wipe.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=body+language+wiping+eye&source=hp&ei=0xVcYcaHAaGclwSOm5PABA&oq=body+language+wipe+eye&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBABGAAyBggAEBYQHjI FCCEQoAEyCAghEBYQHRAeMggIIRAWEB0QHjIICCEQFhAdEB4yC AghEBYQHRAeMggIIRAWEB0QHjIICCEQFhAdEB46BggpEBYQHjo CCCk6BggpEA0QHjoECCkQDToFCCkQoAE6CwgpEIAEELEDEIMBO g4IABDqAhCPARCMAxDlAjoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6DgguEIAEELE DEMcBENEDOg4ILhCABBCxAxDHARCjAjoRCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQo wIQkwI6CAguEIAEELEDOggIABCABBCxAzoICC4QsQMQgwE6Dgg uEIAEELEDEMcBEK8BOgUIABCABDoLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6BAghE BVQoBhYkXRgpoEBaABwAHgCgAHyA4gBlB6SAQowLjIxLjEuMC4 xmAEAoAEBsAEe&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp




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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211005/ce158ce15b8c9cfb96f6f89bbc33836c.jpg

There is only one way out of this for Scotland.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

https://youtu.be/n4vna0lfUs8

[Northernhibee]

What a ****show today. Priti Fascist cutting back on protesters rights and Javid saying it’s not the states responsibility for health care in the first instance and it should fall to family and then the community first.

[hibsbollah]

What a ****show today. Priti Fascist cutting back on protesters rights and Javid saying it’s not the states responsibility for health care in the first instance and it should fall to family and then the community first.

Community? They told us there was no such thing.

Thanks Saj, I’ve wasted 45 minutes bleeding to death while I tried to get my auntie Ethel over to apply a tourniquet and get ‘the community’ to help, instead of just phoning for an ambulance.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/STVKathryn/status/1445414098280370180

Kathryn has played a blinder in the last couple of days.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/STVKathryn/status/1445414098280370180

Kathryn has played a blinder in the last couple of days.

She's been great this week, it's a shame viewers in the rest of the UK don't get to see her show how far from reality these cretins are.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The party of law and order...


https://youtu.be/ocV5eyUjjgg

[ronaldo7]

She's been great this week, it's a shame viewers in the rest of the UK don't get to see her show how far from reality these cretins are.

They actually showed one of her interviews on GMB this morning.

[Kato]

Just caught up with the British Prime Ministers interview with Channel 4 News.

Take away the "aryan Tommy Cooper"/Eton bully shtick and we are literally in the hands of a Fat Daz down the pub type who just makes up any old rubbish on whatever is topical this week.

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[Ozyhibby]

Just caught up with the British Prime Ministers interview with Channel 4 News.

Take away the "aryan Tommy Cooper"/Eton bully shtick and we are literally in the hands of a Fat Daz down the pub type who just makes up any old rubbish on whatever is topical this week.

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With a bit of Latin thrown in.


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[hibsbollah]

That’s hundreds of thousands of families £20 a week worse off from today as universal credit is cut.

[hibsbollah]

Edwina Currie vs Gary Neville on Good Morning Britain was unbelievable. Just astonishing. No front line Tory would go on the programme, the result being a car crash performance to the extent that she looked like plant by the opposition. Nauseating arrogance, telling people there are lots of jobs out there, get out there and retrain, and something about ‘we’re all alright up here in the Peak District only 20 minutes from Manchester.’ When Nevilles talking about people in poverty.

[Kato]

Edwina Currie vs Gary Neville on Good Morning Britain was unbelievable. Just astonishing. No front line Tory would go on the programme, the result being a car crash performance to the extent that she looked like plant by the opposition. Nauseating arrogance, telling people there are lots of jobs out there, get out there and retrain, and something about ‘we’re all alright up here in the Peak District only 20 minutes from Manchester.’ When Nevilles talking about people in poverty.Deliberate adopting a tone-deaf approach. They've got their half a dozen or so stock answers pre-prepared for them and those are the answers trotted out no matter the question.

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[Ozyhibby]

Deliberate adopting a tone-deaf approach. They've got their half a dozen or so stock answers pre-prepared for them and those are the answers trotted out no matter the question.

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It’s a winning formula and it doesn’t look like that is changing anytime soon. If I was them I would carry on doing it.


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[Northernhibee]

The actual **** is this speech?

[Crunchie]

The actual **** is this speech?
I found it quite amusing, especially the reference to Blackford :faf:

[ronaldo7]

Politics live... He's a bit of an entertainer,lots of jokes and gags, but a bit short on Policy.

Welcome to the UK 2021

[Northernhibee]

I found it quite amusing, especially the reference to Blackford :faf:

Are you OK?

[Crunchie]

Are you OK?
Great thanks, why'd you ask?

[Northernhibee]

Great thanks, why'd you ask?

Just worried about you.

[Crunchie]

Just worried about you.
Thanks for the concern but no need to worry about me, chilled out enjoying the October sun here :aok:

[Northernhibee]

Thanks for the concern but no need to worry about me, chilled out enjoying the October sun here :aok:

Good news.

Seeing as how you’re in the right frame of mind then, what does the European Super League failing have to do with Brexit?

[Ozyhibby]

I found it quite amusing, especially the reference to Blackford :faf:

And this is why he is safe for another 10 years. People lap it up. Especially down south. And up here, so long as he is bashing the SNP then unionists will tolerate any misfortune heaped on Scotland.


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[Crunchie]

Good news.

Seeing as how you’re in the right frame of mind then, what does the European Super League failing have to do with Brexit?
I've no interest in what his thoughts are on a ESL.

[Northernhibee]

I've no interest in what his thoughts are on a ESL.

He initially supported it and is now claiming credit for stopping it.

Tell me then, how is showing both sides of a character like Winston Churchill “rewriting history” and how can extra knowledge be “know nothing”?

[Jack]

Politics live... He's a bit of an entertainer,lots of jokes and gags, but a bit short on Policy.

Welcome to the UK 2021

One for the Least funny UK comedians thread I think.

[Northernhibee]

"****, being asked about factual things. Best not reply".

[Kato]

It’s a winning formula and it doesn’t look like that is changing anytime soon. If I was them I would carry on doing it.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkVery much so. Serious interveiwers seem caught out by the actual f@€kwittery of the answers, are wrong footed and before they know it interview time is up. They come over as dumb but it's a clever, sneaky, snidey tactic and for those who want to see "the elites" dumbstruck it counts as a vote winner no matter the damage caused to the populace.

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[Radium]

Edwina Currie vs Gary Neville on Good Morning Britain was unbelievable. Just astonishing. No front line Tory would go on the programme, the result being a car crash performance to the extent that she looked like plant by the opposition. Nauseating arrogance, telling people there are lots of jobs out there, get out there and retrain, and something about ‘we’re all alright up here in the Peak District only 20 minutes from Manchester.’ When Nevilles talking about people in poverty.

… not a new position

https://youtu.be/sU_pDM1N7i0

Norman Tebbit, 1983


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[hibsbollah]

Building up Burger
Building up Beaver

What in the name of fuchsia is he talking about?

[CropleyWasGod]

Interesting fact-checking on BJ's speech by the BBC.

BBC News - Boris Johnson's conference speech fact-checked
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/58818531

Not exactly pro-Tory.

[Northernhibee]

https://nation.cymru/news/tory-mp-slammed-for-claiming-mps-need-pay-rise-as-living-on-81k-can-be-really-grim/

Angela Rayner was right. ****.

[Kato]

https://nation.cymru/news/tory-mp-slammed-for-claiming-mps-need-pay-rise-as-living-on-81k-can-be-really-grim/

Angela Rayner was right. ****.On point Toryism. Chancing his arm whilst trolling the poor.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Building up Burger
Building up Beaver

What in the name of fuchsia is he talking about?

Johnson is certainly enthusiastic about beaver :wink:


I'm avoiding news coverage of his conference speech, as it will just wind me up. The country is in shambles on so many fronts, I just don't want to listen to his Norman Wisdom routine. ****.

[Kato]

Johnson is certainly enthusiastic about beaver :wink:


I'm avoiding news coverage of his conference speech, as it will just wind me up. The country is in shambles on so many fronts, I just don't want to listen to his Norman Wisdom routine. ****.


>>SPOILER<<


It's all Mr Grimsdale's fault.

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/bbcnewsnight/status/1445869220751937538?s=21


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[grunt]

https://twitter.com/DominicPenna/status/1445802599345635330?s=20


People kept putting Gove’s name forward for karaoke but his team wouldn’t let him sing“He’s not doing it,” one adviser said. “Look at that Hancock video from a few years back when someone filmed him. He never recovered”Gove told me that he would have sung Sunshine on Leith:no way:

[Kato]

He's not got a heart to break!

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