Tories are still lying *******s

[grunt]

We're bottom of the table again. ****in SNP.As pointed out* by BBC Scotland Tory News this morning on BBC Good Morning Scotland.

*Not


https://youtu.be/p4qk1HuBwAk

[Bostonhibby]

They should get a move on with their leadership battle.

Stuff like this is happening and there is no one around to take credit.

https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1546768028347531266?t=9VpvKYKT7fARWfo9yREWhA&s=19

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[Bostonhibby]

That Tory had been in the sun too long. He’s actually mahogany. Mahoga-Tory.He does a good antique programme thoughhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220712/82ba0406265d31d828247a972da6dc3b.jpg

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[Ozyhibby]

Speaking of Lying Tories. This one gets it back from Philippa on Politics live.

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1546833204174372865

Excellent reply from her. Unionist game seems to be just to repeat that SNP is failing without showing stats to back it up. Happens on here all the time. Fact is that we have less child poverty, lowest crime rates and better education and health systems in Scotland.


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[Stairway 2 7]

@danbloom1
· 1h
Updated Tory candidates and backers including themselves - need 21 by 6pm

Rishi Sunak - 44
Penny Mordaunt - 24
Tom Tugendhat - 21
Liz Truss - 21
Kemi Badenoch - 18
Nadhim Zahawi - 15
Jeremy Hunt - 15
Sajid Javid - 13
Suella Braverman - 13
Rehman Chishti - 1

[Kato]

Meanwhile this is what a former advisor to Johnson is spewing up on Fox News.

Lying just comes naturally to some people.

https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1546771380422774785?t=UWXlePAAL68mEHIOn-ebkQ&s=19

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[lapsedhibee]

The most impressive SNP MP by a distance as far as I'm concerned.

:agree: She's reliably very, very good.

[James310]

Whilst this is possibly the most frightening leadership election for any party leader or PM we've seen it's also interesting from the perspective of diversity.

11 candidates, 6 are from ethnic minority backgrounds and 4 are women. Potentially another "first" is on the cards for the Tories. The least progressive party on the face of it are possibly going to deliver the first PM from an ethnic minority...


Good post, strange nobody commented on the diversity of the candidates.

Politics aside it's a very good to see.

[Ozyhibby]

Good post, strange nobody commented on the diversity of the candidates.

Politics aside it's a very good to see.

Not that diverse. I count 11/11 of them appear to be horrible people.


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[Kato]

Good post, strange nobody commented on the diversity of the candidates.

Politics aside it's a very good to see.It just goes to show ##### come in all shapes and hues.

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[Ozyhibby]

Javid out.


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[degenerated]

That Tory had been in the sun too long. He’s actually mahogany. Mahoga-Tory.He looks like a conker

[Just Alf]

A lot of the more senior Conservative politicians at the moment are from immigrant backgrounds, but seem happy to push the anti-immigrant narrative to appeal to a certain demographic.

It's quite incredible, really.Apparently you never posted this acknowledging the back grounds of the contenders.. maybe as it wasn't positive about them? :dunno:

[Hibernia&Alba]

What's the latest? Who is still in?

[Ozyhibby]

What's the latest? Who is still in?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220712/2822f755f739f2edc36997e692beba67.jpg


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[CropleyWasGod]

Lovely show of diversity from Badenoch :rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62115347?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=62cd4f73c0a04b705829869e%26No+gender+n eutral+toilets+allowed+at+Badenoch+launch%262022-07-12T10%3A52%3A21.481Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn%3Aasset%3A05ebae0b-a2ac-4df6-815a-ec5a8de460ad&pinned_post_asset_id=62cd4f73c0a04b705829869e&pinned_post_type=share&at_custom3=%40BBCPolitics&at_medium=custom7&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom4=twitter&at_campaign=64&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D

[Hibernia&Alba]

Lovely show of diversity from Badenoch :rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62115347?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=62cd4f73c0a04b705829869e%26No+gender+n eutral+toilets+allowed+at+Badenoch+launch%262022-07-12T10%3A52%3A21.481Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn%3Aasset%3A05ebae0b-a2ac-4df6-815a-ec5a8de460ad&pinned_post_asset_id=62cd4f73c0a04b705829869e&pinned_post_type=share&at_custom3=%40BBCPolitics&at_medium=custom7&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom4=twitter&at_campaign=64&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D

She is going all in with the culture wars pitch. Classic Tory tactic when the country is on its arse: look over there, Trans people, gay people, pronouns on badges. All the important issues of the day.

[CropleyWasGod]

She is going all in with the culture wars pitch. Classic Tory tactic when the country is on its arse: look over there, Trans people, gay people, pronouns on badges. All the important issues of the day.

I'm more disappointed that the signs were for "men" and "ladies".

That won't play well with those who would demand "gentlemen".

:greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Horrendous. I would say Hunt is the lesser of all the evils on offer, but he' s still a Jeremy Hunt and he won't win.

Tugendhadt seems sane, which should be an advantage, but is a disadvantage to those who will make the choice.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm more disappointed that the signs were for "men" and "ladies".

That won't play well with those who would demand "gentlemen".

:greengrin

I would have preferred Tarts and Vicars :greengrin

[Kato]

Sunak doing that leg thing they like.

https://twitter.com/PaddyBriggs/status/1546811910997381121?t=Xsx2RNBpMg6j3tV87XkrQA&s=19

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[Keith_M]

Sunak doing that leg thing they like.

https://twitter.com/PaddyBriggs/status/1546811910997381121?t=Xsx2RNBpMg6j3tV87XkrQA&s=19

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I think it's called the 'John Wayne' stance

[Stairway 2 7]

Sunak doing that leg thing they like.

https://twitter.com/PaddyBriggs/status/1546811910997381121?t=Xsx2RNBpMg6j3tV87XkrQA&s=19

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The angle to make him not look short

[Kato]

I think it's called the 'John Wayne' stanceGacy?

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Gacy?

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The killer clown could be an accurate description of Sunak's time as chancellor.

[heretoday]

Never trust a man in a tight suit and pointy shoes.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Never trust a man in a tight suit and pointy shoes.

He really should be having a word with his Savile Row tailor. There is no excuse for a billionaire to have a suit that doesn't fit properly. He didn't get that off the peg at Burton's.

[CropleyWasGod]

Gacy?

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tXhTaL04ByA

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

fair gutted Patel is out of the running :(

[hibsbollah]

He looks like a conker

Conker-like Corker MahogaTory Tiger Tim Loughton Spoke Exclusively to The Super Soaraway Sun in A Rwanda Returning Exclusive

[Stairway 2 7]

Sunak wants to bring back thatcherism, oh joy

https://mobile.twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1546968030013530118

[degenerated]

Excellent reply from her. Unionist game seems to be just to repeat that SNP is failing without showing stats to back it up. Happens on here all the time. Fact is that we have less child poverty, lowest crime rates and better education and health systems in Scotland.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhat is noticeable is the Tory is unchallenged by BBC host whilst making unsubstantiated claims about performance in Scotland though when corrected by Whitford we see Coburn immediately interject demanding stats to back it up.

[neil7908]

Sunak wants to bring back thatcherism, oh joy

https://mobile.twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1546968030013530118

Shows how entirely bereft of ideas they are. Time and time again they come back to someone who hasn't been in power for 32 years.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Sunak wants to bring back thatcherism, oh joy

https://mobile.twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1546968030013530118

That's trolling all of us outside the Tory heartlands. Of course that's the constituency he needs to appeal to just now, in order to win the party leadership, but it will come back to bite him if he wins.

[He's here!]

PM4PM.

Simple but a potential winning slogan I reckon.

[grunt]

PM4PM.

Simple but a potential winning slogan I reckon.

Pat McGinlay is standing for PM?

[Moulin Yarns]

PM4PM.

Simple but a potential winning slogan I reckon.

Try nz4pm.com 😂😂😂😂

[hibsbollah]

Mordaunt asked twice about What Is A Woman. Then another about trans community.

She says

It was Margaret Thatcher who said every prime minister needs a Willie. A woman like me does not have one.

These are the important issues, not Climate devastation, or cost of living, or nurses pay, or energy supplies. :thumbsup:Absolutely bat**** crazy, not just the Tories, its shameful how we ALL have allowed political debate to become totally infantilised.

[lapsedhibee]

PM4PM.

Simple but a potential winning slogan I reckon.

That's what needed for a fresh start from the Johnson era. Somebody who's good at slogans.

[Smartie]

That's trolling all of us outside the Tory heartlands. Of course that's the constituency he needs to appeal to just now, in order to win the party leadership, but it will come back to bite him if he wins.

It'll put a bit of pressure on him to come up with something sufficiently viciously nasty towards immigrants to get the Red Wall lot back onside, that's for sure.

Concentration camps?

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXig1USXEAAWvyh?format=jpg&name=large

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/ChrisBurn_Post/status/1546884375219998723?t=uMPc07MoFBR8K24Kjo9-pA&s=19


Just normal.

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[lapsedhibee]

******* surreal in PMQs today. Johnson lying his head off (40 new hospitals etc etc etc) just like in the old days when he was prime minister. And the supply teacher Hoyle even more useless than usual. HoC is a complete farce.

[hibsbollah]

******* surreal in PMQs today. Johnson lying his head off (40 new hospitals etc etc etc) just like in the old days when he was prime minister. And the supply teacher Hoyle even more useless than usual. HoC is a complete farce.


'Captain crasheroony snoozefest' was a new one on me.

But its on trend in the madness stakes; so far in the last 24 hours we've heard that Badenoch is scared of seagulls, Braverman thinks that educating kids about climate change is a form of child abuse, Jeremy Hunt is just nominative determinism really, Sunak is a socialist (Rees Mogg) and Mordaunt doesnt have a willie.

[He's here!]

******* surreal in PMQs today. Johnson lying his head off (40 new hospitals etc etc etc) just like in the old days when he was prime minister. And the supply teacher Hoyle even more useless than usual. HoC is a complete farce.

Why watch it? Ditto FMQs.

In saying that, I've just read that the two Alba MPs were ejected from the chamber for some childish stunt beforehand. Bit rich calling for Johnson to vacate the premises when neither of them would be anywhere near Westminster if they hadn't piggy-backed there via the SNP.

[hibsbollah]

Why watch it? .

...because in our political system its the only opportunity we have to watch the representatives of us, the people, carry out our will. Its supposed to be us overseeing them. An idea that came from Athens 2500 years ago, when people debated what was best for their city on a hill above the town and voted on it. A novel idea and an alternative to the guy with the biggest sword making himself King/Lord, enslaving everyone and killing anyone who disagreed with him.

If it doesnt fulfil that purpose, its questionable whether our system even works anymore. So PMQs worth watching in the sense that we can observe how truly ****ed and debased our politic is.

[Hibernian Verse]

The cringey use of the number "4" is giving me the fear.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[SHODAN]

I don't want any of these horrible people as Prime Minster. This is excruciating.

[He's here!]

...because in our political system its the only opportunity we have to watch the representatives of us, the people, carry out our will. Its supposed to be us overseeing them. An idea that came from Athens 2500 years ago, when people debated what was best for their city on a hill above the town and voted on it. A novel idea and an alternative to the guy with the biggest sword making himself King/Lord, enslaving everyone and killing anyone who disagreed with him.

If it doesnt fulfil that purpose, its questionable whether our system even works anymore. So PMQs worth watching in the sense that we can observe how truly ****ed and debased our politic is.

Yep, I understand the rationale behind it, but IMHO it's overshadowed (and has been since pre-Johnson) by the often archaic theatrics of the Commons. Far too many 'witty' pre-scripted (often painfully scripted) lines from the likes of Starmer and Blackford targeted at social media rather than the PM (Corbyn used to fight his twitter class war from the despatch box). A show of vanity from our representatives ('politics is showbiz for ugly people') rather than a chance, as you say, for us to oversee them.

At the other extreme, FMQs is a dry, ever so earnest affair with a cast of dullards who would send you to sleep.

Along with Question Time I have long since stopped watching both. I'd rather see politicians grilled by decent quality journalists.

[Smartie]

Yep, I understand the rationale behind it, but IMHO it's overshadowed (and has been since pre-Johnson) by the often archaic theatrics of the Commons. Far too many 'witty' pre-scripted (often painfully scripted) lines from the likes of Starmer and Blackford targeted at social media rather than the PM (Corbyn used to fight his twitter class war from the despatch box). A show of vanity from our representatives ('politics is showbiz for ugly people') rather than a chance, as you say, for us to oversee them.

At the other extreme, FMQs is a dry, ever so earnest affair with a cast of dullards who would send you to sleep.

Along with Question Time I have long since stopped watching both. I'd rather see politicians grilled by decent quality journalists.

The way it should be.

Politics never really works as well when you put the entertainment factor above quiet competence.

[lapsedhibee]

At the other extreme, FMQs is a dry, ever so earnest affair with a cast of dullards who would send you to sleep.

AKA 'adults'.

[ronaldo7]

Some histrionics at the start of PMQs today where the Speaker lost it a bit. The seat of power in the UK looked a bit slapstick today.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1547177900956336128

[He's here!]

The way it should be.

Politics never really works as well when you put the entertainment factor above quiet competence.

That might ring true if there was any quiet competence on show :wink:

What I do like about the Holyrood chamber is its European-style horseshoe design (supposedly to encourage co-operation and consensus :greengrin) compared to the adversarial face-to-face set-up of the Commons. I hated the parliament building when it was first built and thought it a horribly botched, vastly over-priced mess. The costs remain a source of embarrassment but having visited it a couple of times I'm impressed by the interior.

[lapsedhibee]

Some histrionics at the start of PMQs today where the Speaker lost it a bit. The seat of power in the UK looked a bit slapstick today.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1547177900956336128

Thought he was going to burst into tears because the class was taking the piss out of him. Or at least call for the headmaster. He's more to blame than Johnson for what's gone on at PMQs for the last three years.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Some histrionics at the start of PMQs today where the Speaker lost it a bit. The seat of power in the UK looked a bit slapstick today.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1547177900956336128

Good to see. Westminster and the Tories are showing no respect to the Scottish people by denying the mandate that exists for a second indyref, so why should our representatives be expected to treat the Tories or the Westminster system with any respect.

[He's here!]

Good to see. Westminster and the Tories are showing no respect to the Scottish people by denying the mandate that exists for a second indyref, so why should our representatives be expected to treat the Tories or the Westminster system with any respect.

The Alba MPs are nobody's elected representatives.

[ronaldo7]

The Alba MPs are nobody's elected representatives.

They really are.

Kenny McAskill is still my MP for East Lothian. He may have switched parties, but if I have any issues to be brought to my MP. He's who I've got. Just like when someone falls foul of the rules and goes Independent, they remain the MP for that constituency.

[Berwickhibby]

They really are.

Kenny McAskill is still my MP for East Lothian. He may have switched parties, but if I have any issues to be brought to my MP. He's who I've got. Just like when someone falls foul of the rules and goes Independent, they remain the MP for that constituency.

That idiot Hanvey is my MP, I doubt he would have been elected had he stood as an Alba candidate.

[ronaldo7]

That idiot Hanvey is my MP, I doubt he would have been elected had he stood as an Alba candidate.

On that we can agree.

It seems however that the Speaker may have breached parliamentary standing orders, and in ordering their removal has cocked up again.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1547245574348488704?t=46a9uDVhB0RG5j73q_eSJQ&s=19

What support the candidates have so far as is known

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXeBRegXwAMgp3T?format=jpg&name=large

[Moulin Yarns]

Hunt and zahawi out at the first round

[Sylar]

Hunt and zahawi out at the first round

Hopefully Braverman and Badenoch follow suit soon. Truly despicable *******s who I'd happily see evaporated.

[SHODAN]

Going to be between Mordaunt, Sunak and Truss.

Wonder if Truss/the right will do a deal with Mordaunt to kick out Sunak before the final two and then concede in return for Chancellor.

[bigwheel]

Going to be between Mordaunt, Sunak and Truss.

Wonder if Truss/the right will do a deal with Mordaunt to kick out Sunak before the final two and then concede in return for Chancellor.

Don’t think they’ll have the numbers to stop Sunak being on top two …he may do it though, give some votes to get rid of Mordaunt ???

[Ozyhibby]

Going to be between Mordaunt, Sunak and Truss.

Wonder if Truss/the right will do a deal with Mordaunt to kick out Sunak before the final two and then concede in return for Chancellor.

Truss, Badenoch and Braverman will likely coalesce around one candidate. All right wingers. Likely Truss.
Don’t think any of them will want Mordaunt in the final two as she will be massive favourite.
Mordaunt has to get as many votes from Hunt, Zahawi and Tugenhat supporters as possible. She has momentum just now.
Not guaranteed Sunak gets to final.


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1547245574348488704?t=46a9uDVhB0RG5j73q_eSJQ&s=19

What support the candidates have so far as is known

They're all ****ing horrible examples of the human species.

[grunt]

The Tories are killing us.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXdmXxHXoAENKDs?format=jpg&name=large

[Hibernia&Alba]

Hunt and zahawi out at the first round

Hunt's departure leaves Tugendhat as the only centrist in the race. To his right are the likes of Truss and Sunak; to their right are Braverman and Badernoch as fully paid up swivel-eyed loons.

[He's here!]

Hopefully Braverman and Badenoch follow suit soon. Truly despicable *******s who I'd happily see evaporated.

Badenoch is the surprise package so far. She's impressed me.

She'd be a toughie for the Left to deal with.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Badenoch is the surprise package so far. She's impressed me.

She'd be a toughie for the Left to deal with.

She's a crackpot.

[Kato]

Badenoch is the surprise package so far. She's impressed me.

She'd be a toughie for the Left to deal with.Impressed you on what terms?

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Impressed you on what terms?

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She can define a woman. The most important issue facing a country on its arse :agree:

[Sylar]

Badenoch is the surprise package so far. She's impressed me.

She'd be a toughie for the Left to deal with.

She's a complete bigot, which is ironic given she's undoubtedly faced oppression and discrimination throughout her life.

The worst kind of hypocrite who has no right to be a public servant.

[He's here!]

She's a complete bigot, which is ironic given she's undoubtedly faced oppression and discrimination throughout her life.

The worst kind of hypocrite who has no right to be a public servant.

In what ways is she 'a complete bigot'?

[He's here!]

Impressed you on what terms?

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Simply in terms of her being an unknown quantity to most yet coming through the pack so strongly and confidently. Don't know enough about her (ie next to nothing) to offer much more than that. Knew next to nothing about Mordaunt either but for me they're the two who've caught the eye.

[Bristolhibby]

In what ways is she 'a complete bigot'?

Have a watch of this.

https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/1547242960642887680?s=21&t=a-y5XXFVXLZkP01e5NrOyw

[CropleyWasGod]

Have a watch of this.

https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/1547242960642887680?s=21&t=a-y5XXFVXLZkP01e5NrOyw

Not too hot on LGBT rights either.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/kemi-badenoch-equalities-minister-called-trans-women-men-lgbtq-rights-leaked-recording-1204702

Her stunt with the toilet signs yesterday was playground stuff, but as an Equalities Minister she should have known better. It also suggests that she didn't learn from her earlier stuff.

On a wider note, it always disappoints me when members of marginalised communities don't support (or even understand) the arguments of other minority groups, particularly when so many of the issues are the same.

[Glory Lurker]

Penny Mordaunt miles ahead in poll of Tory members. Awful. Not that there is ever a good outcome to a Tory leadership contest, but her winning would be terrible. Tax cuts to be funded by extra borrowing? Where does such disregard for future generations come from? She might as well back building coal fired power stations.

[Kato]

Simply in terms of her being an unknown quantity to most yet coming through the pack so strongly and confidently. Don't know enough about her (ie next to nothing) to offer much more than that. Knew next to nothing about Mordaunt either but for me they're the two who've caught the eye.Breing impressed because you know so little about her makes a sort of warped sense.

They are all horrendous, feral, mobsters. Whichever facade the party choose the effect on the country will be exactly the same.

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[Skol]

One of them has to win and will be our next pm. I agree that there are things to dislike about them all.

However one will be in charge. Which do we think is the least bad option?

Personally I can’t decide but think it could be Sunak.

[hibsbollah]

One of them has to win and will be our next pm. I agree that there are things to dislike about them all.

However one will be in charge. Which do we think is the least bad option?

Personally I can’t decide but think it could be Sunak.

It’s a massive irrelevance. There is literally nothing between them policywise.

[1875godsgift]

It’s a massive irrelevance. There is literally nothing between them policywise.

It's akin to wading through a sewer and being asked to choose your favourite jobby.

[Kato]

One of them has to win and will be our next pm. I agree that there are things to dislike about them all.

However one will be in charge. Which do we think is the least bad option?

Personally I can’t decide but think it could be Sunak.A set of mawkish puppets doing a wee dance for the party donors. No difference which one they pick.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Penny Mordaunt miles ahead in poll of Tory members. Awful. Not that there is ever a good outcome to a Tory leadership contest, but her winning would be terrible. Tax cuts to be funded by extra borrowing? Where does such disregard for future generations come from? She might as well back building coal fired power stations.



some Tories have already suggested opening up coal mines again

[cabbageandribs1875]

yay go you Rishi4PM :spammy:

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[Hibernia&Alba]

It's akin to wading through a sewer and being asked to choose your favourite jobby.

:faf:

That's some metaphor. Tugendhat is the only one nation Tory left. He's the most moderate, and I think would do the least damage, but he might be too centrist for the MPs.

[Glory Lurker]

One of them has to win and will be our next pm. I agree that there are things to dislike about them all.

However one will be in charge. Which do we think is the least bad option?

Personally I can’t decide but think it could be Sunak.

I'd describe it as least awful option! It would be Sunak for me too, but please in no way take that as meaning I'd be "happy" if he wins!

[neil7908]

Where is all the support for the Penny Mordaunt coming from?

She was a name I barely recognised at the start of this and I'm struggling to understand what she has achieved, or what her appeal is.

[ronaldo7]

Where is all the support for the Penny Mordaunt coming from?

She was a name I barely recognised at the start of this and I'm struggling to understand what she has achieved, or what her appeal is.

She's been photographed wearing a uniform, and sitting in a war plane.

That's enough for the ageing tory membership.

[SHODAN]

Penny Mordaunt miles ahead in poll of Tory members. Awful. Not that there is ever a good outcome to a Tory leadership contest, but her winning would be terrible. Tax cuts to be funded by extra borrowing? Where does such disregard for future generations come from? She might as well back building coal fired power stations.

The Tories have abandoned trying to get votes from the younger generation; their approach now is voter suppression (ID etc) and discouraging young people from voting.

[Bostonhibby]

She's been photographed wearing a uniform, and sitting in a war plane.

That's enough for the ageing tory membership.Does that beat Truss in a tank though?

The more I think about it, that could be a medical condition or just one more predilection for any number of Nasty party MP's.

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Where is all the support for the Penny Mordaunt coming from?

She was a name I barely recognised at the start of this and I'm struggling to understand what she has achieved, or what her appeal is.

Think she's seen as having wide public appeal (ie with an eye on the next election) due her Naval career and being a contestant on reality TV show Splash...plus she's quite attractive. Might sound frivolous but these things will get factored in along with policy.

Also 'very popular' in Scotland according to David Davis :wink:

[JeMeSouviens]

Where is all the support for the Penny Mordaunt coming from?

She was a name I barely recognised at the start of this and I'm struggling to understand what she has achieved, or what her appeal is.

I think her chief quality is not being any of the others.

Braverman, Truss and Badenoch are all foaming at the mouth nutters. Sunak is arrogant, thin skinned and seen as the chief stabber in the back of Johnson. Tughenhadt is just dull and far too prone to saying sensible things like he doesn't regret voting Remain. The membership will never go for him.

Mordaunt also does have an actual military background, she's a naval reservist and her father was in the paras. So that helps in Tory grassroots land and she was a vocal lying Brexiteer, another tick in the blue rinse box.

[JeMeSouviens]

Think she's seen as having wide public appeal (ie with an eye on the next election) due her Naval career and being a contestant on reality TV show Splash...plus she's quite attractive. Might sound frivolous but these things will get factored in along with policy.

Also 'very popular' in Scotland according to David Davis :wink:

Tories nobody has heard of do tend to be the most popular kind. :wink:

[grunt]

... she was a vocal lying Brexiteer, another tick in the blue rinse box.
I think it's this, above all else. Her lies about Turkey joining the EU and releasing a million immigrants towards England has made her a hero in the eyes of many Tory xenophobes.

Someone suggested that according to a recent YouGov poll, 79% of the Tory party membership are Leave supporters. When you're faced with that sort of support, any centrist candidate doesn't stand a chance.

[Moulin Yarns]

Think she's seen as having wide public appeal (ie with an eye on the next election) due her Naval career and being a contestant on reality TV show Splash...plus she's quite attractive. Might sound frivolous but these things will get factored in along with policy.

Also 'very popular' in Scotland according to David Davis :wink:

Her naval career? 😂😂😂😂

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Mordaunt#:~:text=Naval%20service,-Mordaunt%20is%20a&text=From%20May%202015%20until%20April,in%20the%20 Royal%20Naval%20Reserve.


Never served!! She was at a shore base.

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Not too hot on LGBT rights either.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/kemi-badenoch-equalities-minister-called-trans-women-men-lgbtq-rights-leaked-recording-1204702

Her stunt with the toilet signs yesterday was playground stuff, but as an Equalities Minister she should have known better. It also suggests that she didn't learn from her earlier stuff.

On a wider note, it always disappoints me when members of marginalised communities don't support (or even understand) the arguments of other minority groups, particularly when so many of the issues are the same.


Having now read a bit more about her, I'd be surprised if, as a first-generation immigrant, she had no regard for the arguments of minority groups.

What does appear to rattle the cage of the more extreme elements of the Left is somebody from an ethnic minority expressing conservative views. While Labour may believe such voters are theirs by right, it's notable that this leadership contest contains such a high percentage of candidates from ethnic minority backgrounds.

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Her naval career? 😂😂😂😂

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Mordaunt#:~:text=Naval%20service,-Mordaunt%20is%20a&text=From%20May%202015%20until%20April,in%20the%20 Royal%20Naval%20Reserve.


Never served!! She was at a shore base.

Whatever one's views on the armed forces, the RNR has a long and distinguished history. It's very much a Naval career.

[Moulin Yarns]

Whatever one's views on the armed forces, the RNR has a long and distinguished history. It's very much a Naval career.

She undertook no training, apparently. Must have been a natural sailor 🤔

Her ranks were 'honorary' awards.

[JeMeSouviens]

Having now read a bit more about her, I'd be surprised if, as a first-generation immigrant, she had no regard for the arguments of minority groups.

What does appear to rattle the cage of the more extreme elements of the Left is somebody from an ethnic minority expressing conservative views. While Labour may believe such voters are theirs by right, it's notable that this leadership contest contains such a high percentage of candidates from ethnic minority backgrounds.

From her wiki page:


Badenoch was born in 1980 in Wimbledon, London, to Femi and Feyi Adegoke.[4] Her father was a GP and her mother is a professor of physiology.[5] She has two siblings; a brother named Fola and a sister called Lola.[6] Badenoch's childhood included time living in Lagos, Nigeria and in the United States, where her mother lectured.

Summary - she's a rich kid from a privileged background.

I do agree with you though, that it's at least heartening to see that being from an ethnic minority doesn't seem to count against her or the other candidates.

[Hibernia&Alba]

She undertook no training, apparently. Must have been a natural sailor 🤔

Her ranks were 'honorary' awards.

Stolen valour is what it's called.

[Kato]

I think it's this, above all else. Her lies about Turkey joining the EU and releasing a million immigrants towards England has made her a hero in the eyes of many Tory xenophobes.



Good at lying. That worked well with the last gadge.

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[Andy Bee]

I listened to her campaign speech yesterday and thought yup if you weren't a bare face liar I could actually see you being a decent PM. She had the chance on LBC to apologise for her bull**** regards the Turkey comments but didn't so that tells me all I need to know. I'm actually now in the unfortunate position of wanting tricky Rishi to win now. What a mess.

[Moulin Yarns]

I listened to her campaign speech yesterday and thought yup if you weren't a bare face liar I could actually see you being a decent PM. She had the chance on LBC to apologise for her bull**** regards the Turkey comments but didn't so that tells me all I need to know. I'm actually now in the unfortunate position of wanting tricky Rishi to win now. What a mess.

Can we not have a Squid Games to decide the next leader of the Conservatives?

[Bostonhibby]

Can we not have a Squid Games to decide the next leader of the Conservatives?Jellyfish.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Having now read a bit more about her, I'd be surprised if, as a first-generation immigrant, she had no regard for the arguments of minority groups.

What does appear to rattle the cage of the more extreme elements of the Left is somebody from an ethnic minority expressing conservative views. While Labour may believe such voters are theirs by right, it's notable that this leadership contest contains such a high percentage of candidates from ethnic minority backgrounds.

Did you see the nonsense she pulled the other day about the toilets?

Or read the stuff about her LGBT views?

Lack of awareness of intersectionality is very common, I'm sad to say. I have seen it on too many occasions over the years.

[hibsbollah]

I think it's this, above all else. Her lies about Turkey joining the EU and releasing a million immigrants towards England has made her a hero in the eyes of many Tory xenophobes.

Someone suggested that according to a recent YouGov poll, 79% of the Tory party membership are Leave supporters. When you're faced with that sort of support, any centrist candidate doesn't stand a chance.


Smarkets Conservative leadership election tracker - Google Sheets (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16hH2-BjqXIGmFDeWJOmG4JjqDsCELpamDu943kwuhrI/edit#gid=400125858)

This is interesting (i know im claiming it makes no actual policy difference which one of the nasty lot they elect but its still interesting). This guy has an excellent record of predicting the previous two rounds by analysing the voting records in the house. The Leavers are tending to back Penny Mordor, while Remainers are sticking with Sunak. But the arch-Remainer of all, David Frost, has come out this afternoon and said he has 'grave reservations' about a Mordor administration. Which is the opposite of what you'd expect if she was seen as the most eurosceptic candidate.

i think its mostly based on who's promised who what. Note that Tugendhat is polling quite strongly, 3rd place, among the MPs who DIDNT have cabinet roles in the Johnson government. Of those 21 cabinet members, NONE support Tugendhat, probably because he's not been in the right whatsapp group promising favours to his colleagues.

Its impossible for me to disagree with Nicola Sturgeon's speech today; from a Scottish perspective there is no democratic legitimacy to this process at all.

[Moulin Yarns]

Cruella Braverman out of the running at the second vote.

[JeMeSouviens]

Round 2:

Sunak 101
Mordaunt 82
Truss 64
Badenoch 49
Tughenhadt 32
Braverman 29 - eliminated

[Hibernia&Alba]

Cruella Braverman out of the running at the second vote.

Good, she is a terrible person. Not that the rest are wonderful, mind.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Round 2:

Sunak 101
Mordaunt 82
Truss 64
Badenoch 49
Tughenhadt 32
Braverman 29 - eliminated

I want to see that lunatic Badenoch eliminated.

[JeMeSouviens]

I want to see that lunatic Badenoch eliminated.

Her and Tughenhadt will be next 2 out I imagine. Bad news is she's raised her profile enough for a plum job.

I would think TT and Braverman's votes will get distributed fairly evenly (TT to Sunak/Mord, SB to Truss/Bade). I think when Badenoch goes it will probably boost Truss who might well be the last nutter standing. Possibly Mord will get squeezed out? Final 2 Truss v Sunak?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Her and Tughenhadt will be next 2 out I imagine. Bad news is she's raised her profile enough for a plum job.

I would think TT and Braverman's votes will get distributed fairly evenly (TT to Sunak/Mord, SB to Truss/Bade). I think when Badenoch goes it will probably boost Truss who might well be the last nutter standing. Possibly Mord will get squeezed out? Final 2 Truss v Sunak?

I think you could be right. If Truss gets it, the Tories are dead at the next election. She is poor with detail and terrible at answering questions and debating. Starmer would destroy her at PMQs. I think she's the weakest of the candidates, but has a strong chance of winning.

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Did you see the nonsense she pulled the other day about the toilets?

Or read the stuff about her LGBT views?

Lack of awareness of intersectionality is very common, I'm sad to say. I have seen it on too many occasions over the years.

I didn't see it. Sounded like a bit of a silly stunt, but it's hardly a scandal to call for the retention of single sex facilities. She'd command plenty of public support for that stance. LGBT issues (fuelled primarily by the trans debate) are a minefield right now so are her views really those of an out and out bigot or has a comment she made been taken out of proportion/context to tar her with that brush? If there's plenty of evidence out there which damns her as a bigot then fair enough.

When this issue was brought up during the campaign launches one of the female candidates (can't remember which one) said we've reached a crazy point when you run the risk of losing your job for describing a man or a woman in terms of biology. Again, that will chime with a large majority of the electorate, so I think it's stretching things to try and ascribe these as being 'nasty Tory' views.

One things for sure, Badenoch is proving remarkably resilient in the leadership race. A top cabinet post presumably awaits her.

[JeMeSouviens]

I think you could be right. If Truss gets it, the Tories are dead at the next election. She is poor with detail and terrible at answering questions and debating. Starmer would destroy her at PMQs. I think she's the weakest of the candidates, but has a strong chance of winning.

Hmmm, have we had any Prime Ministers lately like that, that Starmer really didn't? :rolleyes:

[ronaldo7]

Whatever one's views on the armed forces, the RNR has a long and distinguished history. It's very much a Naval career.

It's not really a career, unless you only want to work 24 days a year.

Each to their own though.

[Moulin Yarns]

It's not really a career, unless you only want to work 24 days a year.

Each to their own though.

She's a Tory, of course she only wants to work 24 days a year. 😉

[Ozyhibby]

Her and Tughenhadt will be next 2 out I imagine. Bad news is she's raised her profile enough for a plum job.

I would think TT and Braverman's votes will get distributed fairly evenly (TT to Sunak/Mord, SB to Truss/Bade). I think when Badenoch goes it will probably boost Truss who might well be the last nutter standing. Possibly Mord will get squeezed out? Final 2 Truss v Sunak?

They will also be looking at the polling among members. Sunak has a chance to beat Truss but not Morduant. The right wing hate Sunak so may decide that if they can’t knock Sunak out now, the might back Morduant to beat him in the members vote?


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[Just_Jimmy]

I think you could be right. If Truss gets it, the Tories are dead at the next election. She is poor with detail and terrible at answering questions and debating. Starmer would destroy her at PMQs. I think she's the weakest of the candidates, but has a strong chance of winning.The biggest issue I have with that is she's thick as **** and I like my Prime Ministers to be intelligent.

I know that's a lot to ask these days.

Intelligence and integrity. That's basically all they need.

Ffs I'd dance a jig for a John Major type.

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The biggest issue I have with that is she's thick as **** and I like my Prime Ministers to be intelligent.

I know that's a lot to ask these days.

Intelligence and integrity. That's basically all they need.

Ffs I'd dance a jig for a John Major type.

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Hope it wasn't her Paisley primary school education which held her back...

[ronaldo7]

Hope it wasn't her Paisley primary school education which held her back...

I think the only schools she's criticised have been in England. Specifically, Leeds, which she said, "let down" children.

[lapsedhibee]

The biggest issue I have with that is she's thick as **** and I like my Prime Ministers to be intelligent.


Think of the giggles though, if Truss did get to be PM. The fact that she's currently as high as third out of ten or so starters is mind-boggling enough. But if she actually won and became PM I would literally laugh my ankles off.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/14/lost-to-spam-truss-had-only-one-thing-to-offer-it-was-still-the-convict

Crace brutalised Truss here, I actually feel sorry for her :greengrin

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I think the only schools she's criticised have been in England. Specifically, Leeds, which she said, "let down" children.

Well I guess she was at primary school when Scottish education was still highly rated ;-)

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/14/lost-to-spam-truss-had-only-one-thing-to-offer-it-was-still-the-convict

Crace brutalised Truss here, I actually feel sorry for her :greengrin
Not me. I was driving the M8 at over 59mph and caught her whole presentation on the radio. It was nonsense from start to finish. Crace has been relatively kind.

[CropleyWasGod]

Think of the giggles though, if Truss did get to be PM. The fact that she's currently as high as third out of ten or so starters is mind-boggling enough. But if she actually won and became PM I would literally laugh my ankles off.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/14/lost-to-spam-truss-had-only-one-thing-to-offer-it-was-still-the-convict

Crace brutalised Truss here, I actually feel sorry for her :greengrin

I'm there already :greengrin

[Kato]

Well I guess she was at primary school when Scottish education was still highly rated ;-)Her performance when she met the Sergei Lavrov and she thought parts of Russia were Ukrainian sums her and the current Tory Party up. Unprepared for the real world, lacking any detail and extremely moronic.

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[Kato]

Just read that there is going to TV debates. Wtf? They aren't the royals, this isn't a national event.

Will be watching anyway.

Hoping Truss wins after reading that article above. She would render them unelectable.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Her performance when she met the Sergei Lavrov and she thought parts of Russia were Ukrainian sums her and the current Tory Party up. Unprepared for the real world, lacking any detail and extremely moronic.

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Is that the same Ukraine that she said we were at war with?? 🤔

[Kato]

Is that the same Ukraine that she said we were at war with?? [emoji848]Maybe. If there is only one Ukraine I'm sure they can lie hard enough and another one will materialise in the minds of their supporters.

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[Just_Jimmy]

Think of the giggles though, if Truss did get to be PM. The fact that she's currently as high as third out of ten or so starters is mind-boggling enough. But if she actually won and became PM I would literally laugh my ankles off.I mean, I get where you're coming from, but given how much of a **** show the country is, I would prefer someone capable of running it.

I know that's a lot to ask right now and I know it doesn't fit with the narrative that it's hilarious to laugh at Truss, but I'm not really in a laughing mood given how **** the situation is.

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[ronaldo7]

Well I guess she was at primary school when Scottish education was still highly rated ;-)

Still is. :aok: Don't let the detractors tell you otherwise.

She's been tainted by the English system. Obvs.:greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/14/lost-to-spam-truss-had-only-one-thing-to-offer-it-was-still-the-convict

Crace brutalised Truss here, I actually feel sorry for her :greengrin

I don't, she's a ****. That's a funny piece, right enough.

[Kato]

I mean, I get where you're coming from, but given how much of a **** show the country is, I would prefer someone capable of running it.

I know that's a lot to ask right now and I know it doesn't fit with the narrative that it's hilarious to laugh at Truss, but I'm not really in a laughing mood given how **** the situation is.

Sent from my SM-G991B using TapatalkThere is no governance with this lot. Those at the front are exactly that, a front while their brexit/culture war gains traction.

Might as well have the funniest clown.

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[Ozyhibby]

Well I guess she was at primary school when Scottish education was still highly rated ;-)

Scotland has the best educated population in Europe.[emoji6][emoji106]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19929900.snp-scotland-europes-best-educated-country/

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[Ozyhibby]

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[lapsedhibee]

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:greengrin

[ronaldo7]

Pinocchio Penny is trending nicely on the twittersphere.

Lord Frost and others have said that notorious liar Penny Mordaunt is really, really, really not up to the job... Problem is in 7 weeks enough Tory MPs might come to that conclusion, 100k + Tory Party members probably won't.

https://twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1547547376138739713

[Hibernia&Alba]

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That's some analogy :hilarious

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Scotland has the best educated population in Europe.[emoji6][emoji106]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19929900.snp-scotland-europes-best-educated-country/

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Shame none of those featured in that study were at school after the SNP came to power ;-)

[Glory Lurker]

Just read that there is going to TV debates. Wtf? They aren't the royals, this isn't a national event.

Will be watching anyway.

Hoping Truss wins after reading that article above. She would render them unelectable.

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It's pathetic. If the tory membership needs a televised debate let them run it on their website.

[cabbageandribs1875]

hope poor wee Lizzie finally managed to find that exit Door

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/293471413_1504463783343961_2347484754187740848_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=IsO-jO4H1k8AX_85awz&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT8qpXbHnNoqxWgXATVwvItcETCxCHKjyz1DgdfsQMKm OA&oe=62D5CA7E

[marinello59]

It's pathetic. If the tory membership needs a televised debate let them run it on their website.

I’d quite like to hear what the candidates for new PM have to say for themselves. Not so sure I could get through the whole debate without putting my foot through the TV screen but I’ll give it a go.

[Jack]

I’d quite like to hear what the candidates for new PM have to say for themselves. Not so sure I could get through the whole debate without putting my foot through the TV screen but I’ll give it a go.

I've got some spare blood pressure tablets if you need them. During this whateverfest I've had to have mine doubled!









Just in case anyone thinks I'm selling drugs it's a joke! Apart from the high blood pressure bit 😞

[marinello59]

I've got some spare blood pressure tablets if you need them. During this whateverfest I've had to have mine doubled!









Just in case anyone thinks I'm selling drugs it's a joke! Apart from the high blood pressure bit 😞

Thanks, I might take you up on that. :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

I’d quite like to hear what the candidates for new PM have to say for themselves. Not so sure I could get through the whole debate without putting my foot through the TV screen but I’ll give it a go.

At least it's Guru-Murthy in charge and not Kuenssberg, so there will be reasonable levels of scrutiny/scepticism of candidates' claims. I wouldn't mind hearing what the boy Tom Tugger has to say since, on past showings, he talks and behaves like a human.

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K
@ElectionMapsUK
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Truss has overtaken Sunak in the betting odds

Mordaunt: 24/23
Truss: 7/2
Sunak: 18/5

[Stairway 2 7]

The evil right are on the march

@christopherhope
EXCLUSIVE Huge boost for Liz Truss as entire 60-strong European Research Group told to vote for the Foreign Secretary to be leader.
Mark Francois wrote to ERG members saying "as previously agreed - I do hope that all of our Group will now feel able to unite firmly behind Liz

[lapsedhibee]

The evil right are on the march

@christopherhope
EXCLUSIVE Huge boost for Liz Truss as entire 60-strong European Research Group told to vote for the Foreign Secretary to be leader.
Mark Francois wrote to ERG members saying "as previously agreed - I do hope that all of our Group will now feel able to unite firmly behind Liz

Think we might be seeing a lot more of Eddie Mair's classic interview with Truss over the next few days. Sir Gavin Williamson may claim the showings to be evidence of his mastery of 'dark arts'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swgObFTx0iM

[Since90+2]

Liz Truss as PM. Jesus.

I must be living in a version of the Truman show.

[neil7908]

Liz Truss as PM. Jesus.

I must be living in a version of the Truman show.

Of the 3 realistic options (Sunak, Mordaunt and Truss) she is the worst. All are bad but she is something else.

So of course she'll be PM.

[ronaldo7]

The evil right are on the march

@christopherhope
EXCLUSIVE Huge boost for Liz Truss as entire 60-strong European Research Group told to vote for the Foreign Secretary to be leader.
Mark Francois wrote to ERG members saying "as previously agreed - I do hope that all of our Group will now feel able to unite firmly behind Liz

The same Mark Francois who was cautioned by the police last year for sexual abuse, now leading the ERG to choosing the new PM.

I wonder when the press will run the story of a party within a party, just like they did with Corbyn and Momentum.

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Liz Truss as PM. Jesus.

I must be living in a version of the Truman show.

What I find bizarre is that the Tory grandees endorsing her and putting the boot into Mordaunt seem to regard being a prominent member of the current government as a positive thing.

Sunak might just retain a modicum of appeal among the electorate but if they're looking beyond internal factionalism it seems clear Mordaunt is far and away their best hope.

[Ozyhibby]

What I find bizarre is that the Tory grandees endorsing her and putting the boot into Mordaunt seem to regard being a prominent member the current government as a positive thing.

Sunak might just retain a modicum of appeal among the electorate but if they're looking beyond internal factionalism it seems clear Mordaunt is far and away their best hope.

Mordaunt represents their best chance of winning next election. She will be a problem for Starmer and Blackford(I think he’ll be replaced) at PMQ’s.


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[He's here!]

I’d quite like to hear what the candidates for new PM have to say for themselves. Not so sure I could get through the whole debate without putting my foot through the TV screen but I’ll give it a go.

I guess the fact that the winner will be the next PM is the rationale behind it but I don't get why an internal party election merits a national TV debate. Did this happen with previous leadership contests?

[Bostonhibby]

The same Mark Francois who was cautioned by the police last year for sexual abuse, now leading the ERG to choosing the new PM.

I wonder when the press will run the story of a party within a party, just like they did with Corbyn and Momentum.Francois seemingly in a position of any influence at all scares the life out of me, odious doesn't cover it....

Ideal nasty party man.

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[Hibrandenburg]

I guess the fact that the winner will be the next PM is the rationale behind it but I don't get why an internal party election merits a national TV debate. Did this happen with previous leadership contests?

What is the point of having televised leadership debates when the general public have absolutely no say in who becomes our next Prime Minister? I just hope they start ripping each other apart on camera.

[Lendo]

It’s going to be Truss isn’t it? God ****ing help us.

[Mon Dieu4]

What is the point of having televised leadership debates when the general public have absolutely no say in who becomes our next Prime Minister? I just hope they start ripping each other apart on camera.

Yep, a televised debate that 200,000 out of 67m people get to vote for

[lapsedhibee]

You could argue that there's no need for the Tory leadership to be televised. But on the other hand the spectacle will provide further opportunity for political sketch writers to gorge themselves in their columns. Braverman today being characterised as verruca on a footnote of history, for example. Quite uplifting!

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/MarcDavenant/status/1547812575420616704?t=DcUvRzHX-88mX_SaeEnHug&s=19

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[SHODAN]

It’s going to be Truss isn’t it? God ****ing help us.

Cheese!

[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure whether this is true, but it has resurfaced today.

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/02/18/minister-accepts-donation-from-chair-of-uks-principal-climate-science-denial-campaign-group/

[Kato]

Not sure whether this is true, but it has resurfaced today.

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/02/18/minister-accepts-donation-from-chair-of-uks-principal-climate-science-denial-campaign-group/Backwards barbarians.

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[neil7908]

"Kemi Badenoch and Liz Truss have declined to answer questions put to them by the LGBT+ Conservatives group by their deadline of 1pm today.

The group sent each of the leadership contenders a three question questionnaire.

Only Tom Tugendhat, Rishi Sunak and Penny Mordaunt managed to answer on time".

Quelle surprise! The two culture warriors can't be arsed answering 3 simple questions to a Conservative party organisation.

[CropleyWasGod]

"Kemi Badenoch and Liz Truss have declined to answer questions put to them by the LGBT+ Conservatives group by their deadline of 1pm today.

The group sent each of the leadership contenders a three question questionnaire.

Only Tom Tugendhat, Rishi Sunak and Penny Mordaunt managed to answer on time".

Quelle surprise! The two culture warriors can't be arsed answering 3 simple questions to a Conservative party organisation.

The questions, and the responses, are here:-

https://www.lgbtconservatives.org.uk/news/leadership-election-statements

Pretty bland questions, which most politicians should have been able to sound-bite their way through. Truss and Badenoch, of course, are playing to their own gallery by not engaging. (eg "Virtue signaling is beneath Truss and Kemi" says one wag on Twitter.)

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1547953777981804545?t=8FUG2DjnZOZRRCOwDZJtMA&s=19

Mark Thomas says it like it is. 👍😂

[neil7908]

The questions, and the responses, are here:-

https://www.lgbtconservatives.org.uk/news/leadership-election-statements

Pretty bland questions, which most politicians should have been able to sound-bite their way through. Truss and Badenoch, of course, are playing to their own gallery by not engaging. (eg "Virtue signaling is beneath Truss and Kemi" says one wag on Twitter.)

Thanks for posting. As you say, nothing at all challenging in those questions. Anyone with half a brain could come up with a bland, acceptable response in 5 mins.

The fact they haven't bothered to respond is galling. If this is how they treat a few simple questions from a group within their own party who they should be looking to woo given a vote by members is coming up soon, how will the treat the wider electorate if they get into power?

[Hibernia&Alba]

"Kemi Badenoch and Liz Truss have declined to answer questions put to them by the LGBT+ Conservatives group by their deadline of 1pm today.

The group sent each of the leadership contenders a three question questionnaire.

Only Tom Tugendhat, Rishi Sunak and Penny Mordaunt managed to answer on time".

Quelle surprise! The two culture warriors can't be arsed answering 3 simple questions to a Conservative party organisation.

Truss desperately wants the support of the right of the parliamentary party, in order to beat Mordaunt into the leadership run off. She will be calculating that the culture wars issues can help her, as Mordaunt is more liberal on those issues. Bad-enoch is a true believer in bigotry and it's no surprise she would refuse to engage with LGBT party members.

[CropleyWasGod]

Thanks for posting. As you say, nothing at all challenging in those questions. Anyone with half a brain could come up with a bland, acceptable response in 5 mins.

The fact they haven't bothered to respond is galling. If this is how they treat a few simple questions from a group within their own party who they should be looking to woo given a vote by members is coming up soon, how will the treat the wider electorate if they get into power?

Think that's the point, though....by wooing them, does that un-woo elements of the wider party?

[grunt]

Whatever one's views on the armed forces, the RNR has a long and distinguished history. It's very much a Naval career.


She undertook no training, apparently. Must have been a natural sailor ��
Her ranks were 'honorary' awards.

I make no apology for posting this from the Daily Mail


Penny Mordaunt (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/penny-mordaunt/index.html)’s claims about her Royal Navy credentials have been questioned by senior officers. During the Tory (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/conservatives/index.html) leadership contest she has said her experience in the Royal Naval Reserve and values of military service make her ideally suited to become Prime Minister. The Portsmouth MP’s candidacy announcement included a reference to the Royal Navy, when she said leadership should be ‘less about the leader and more about the ship’.

Miss Mordaunt, 49, went on to claim that she, ‘perhaps better than any other candidate’, understood the Government’s responsibility to support the Armed Forces. But the final straw for some came when one of her supporters, Tory MP George Freeman, claimed in a TV interview that she had ‘fought in the Navy’.

Last night, a highly-decorated former senior Royal Navy officer said: ‘She isn’t [currently] a trained or paid reservist, she’s never qualified or been commissioned. She’s been banging the naval drum for days and enough is enough. How she has presented herself – and how she has allowed herself to be presented – have been deeply misleading.’

Miss Mordaunt signed up as a Royal Naval Reservist in 2010. She was made an honorary commander in 2019 and an honorary captain last year. But she has not served on an operational deployment. She does not currently fulfil the Royal Naval Reserve’s training commitments or receive a salary, as her entries to the MPs’ interests register confirm.

She was Defence Secretary for just 85 days before being booted out by Boris Johnson in July 2019. Before that she was Armed Forces minister from May 2015 to July 2016.

Miss Mordaunt’s team did not respond to a request for comment.

[Hibrandenburg]

I make no apology for posting this from the Daily Mail

Nothing infuriates military personnel more than a Walt.

[cabbageandribs1875]

super credentials for a PM :rolleyes:

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/293734843_570474121354128_469921116358698055_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=dqcA4N2sfC0AX-17687&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT9AyZoa4qnvnAlcVXR_JV7QSTRX880qEAnbAhj8e7AS wA&oe=62D658C1

[CropleyWasGod]

super credentials for a PM :rolleyes:

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/293734843_570474121354128_469921116358698055_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=dqcA4N2sfC0AX-17687&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT9AyZoa4qnvnAlcVXR_JV7QSTRX880qEAnbAhj8e7AS wA&oe=62D658C1

**** off.... that's from The Day Today, surely?

:faf:

[CropleyWasGod]

Nothing infuriates military personnel more than a Walt.

Walt?

I'm guessing Disnae? :greengrin

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1547953777981804545?t=8FUG2DjnZOZRRCOwDZJtMA&s=19

Mark Thomas says it like it is. 👍😂I like Mark Thomas. Even more now.

[CropleyWasGod]

I like Mark Thomas. Even more now.

At The Stand next month :agree:

[He's here!]

I make no apology for posting this from the Daily Mail

And yet you would laugh off the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Sun/ Spectator etc as a source if an anti-independence poster tried to credit them ;-)

Personally I can't stand the Mail and that 'story' is the sort of standard nonsense they dredge up. Where and when has Mordaunt attempted to dress up her time in the RNR as anything other than what it is? Never is the answer as far as I can see but the right wingers in her party are determined to freeze her out, even if it means screwing their electoral hopes by shoehorning Truss into the top job.

Mordaunt's team have rightly chosen to ignore the likes of Lord Frost with their 'black ops' nonsense.

[cabbageandribs1875]

**** off.... that's from The Day Today, surely?

:faf:


aw man please don't say it's fake :confused::dunno::boo hoo:

[cabbageandribs1875]

what's the chances Big Dog will do as asked ?

Boris Johnson ordered to hand documents to partygate investigators (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-ordered-to-hand-documents-to-partygate-investigators/ar-AAZBsO4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1061e138913146558dd200b91e30631d)

[Kato]

And yet you would laugh off the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Sun/ Spectator etc as a source if an anti-independence poster tried to credit them ;-)

Personally I can't stand the Mail and that 'story' is the sort of standard nonsense they dredge up.

Dredged up or made up?

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[Hibernia&Alba]

What time is the debate on?

[lapsedhibee]

What time is the debate on?

Now. Ch4.

[Jones28]

TT coming across the best of a bad bunch. Ooft he dropped the served in the military bomb.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Now. Ch4.

Thanks. I'm hoping the claws come oot and it descends into a slanging match.

[lapsedhibee]

Thanks. I'm hoping the claws come oot and it descends into a slanging match.

Tugendhat and Badenoch best so far.

[Jones28]

Penny Mordaunt just said she’d still be a woman if she had a vasectomy…

[lapsedhibee]

Penny Mordaunt just said she’d still be a woman if she had a vasectomy…

Mastectomy I think.

[overdrive]

Penny Mordaunt just said she’d still be a woman if she had a vasectomy…

TBF I think she said mastectomy.
Pretty sure she nodded at her breasts when she said it :faf:

[ronaldo7]

Pinocchio Penny getting found out.

[Jones28]

Oh **** sake I’m going daft 😂😂 I swear she said vasectomy.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220715/58c521a5182a80a4f811c75722461c63.jpg

Rishi might be handy if he keeps going round saying Scottish people can’t be trusted with democracy.


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[grunt]

And yet you would laugh off the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Sun/ Spectator etc as a source if an anti-independence poster tried to credit them ;-)
That's why I said what I said about the source ... :rolleyes:

[cabbageandribs1875]

sunak promises the NHS will be his number one priority, so why has he been over to America and talking to health insurance reps :confused:

[Hibrandenburg]

Walt?

I'm guessing Disnae? :greengrin

Mitty :greengrin

[overdrive]

Penny Mourdant being asked what she’d do to grow the economy.

Answer: many things [moves the conversation on] :faf:

[Hibernia&Alba]

If he doesn't ask them about the PPE scandal during the section on COVID or public services, he isn't doing his job. How about we get those missing billions back into the NHS?

[Skol]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220715/58c521a5182a80a4f811c75722461c63.jpg

Rishi might be handy if he keeps going round saying Scottish people can’t be trusted with democracy.


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That’s not what he said though. There is a valid point to pick him up on in there, surprised you chose democracy

[Hibernia&Alba]

Here we go, economic growth at the expense of tackling climate change, the greatest threat to the future of the planet.

[lapsedhibee]

Sunak making a point of addressing audience members by first name to show that he's their mate.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Sunak making a point of addressing audience members by first name to show that he's their mate.

As long as they aren't working class :wink:

[cabbageandribs1875]

i love when they all kid on they know how people must be struggling with energy bills, says every one of them that claim all their energy bills on their expenses, Rishi has no freakin idea what it's like to be poor, or working class that still struggle to pay for energy bills, he's lucky it's summer and not so much needed for heating, just wait until November arrives it's going to be crazy

[Hibernia&Alba]

Bad-enoch, summoning the spirit of the Maybot with "there is no magic money tree." I'm still yet to hear a politician explain that statement, in light of the hundreds of billions governments have created from nothing via quantitative easing since 2008. It's literally creating money out of thin air, which they can do when government has a monopoly on a sovereign currency.

[Hibernia&Alba]

i love when they all kid on they know how people must be struggling with energy bills, says every one of them that claim all their energy bills on their expenses, Rishi has no freakin idea what it's like to be poor, or working class that still struggle to pay for energy bills, he's lucky it's summer and not so much needed for heating, just wait until November arrives it's going to be crazy

Rishi only has 300 million for himself, it's his wife who is the billionaire. He pulled himself up by his bootstraps to get where he is today; he got on his bike and looked for work after Winchester and Oxford.

[cabbageandribs1875]

ok, the two bookends can drop out over the weekend because neither is going to be PM, it's between Truss and rich boy Rishi, Rishi will be the rich Tory donors choice

[Mon Dieu4]

Sunak making a point of addressing audience members by first name to show that he's their mate.

Not watching but are they doing the point with your thumbs thing too?

[stokesmessiah]

Mordaunt has had the hand gesture class it looks like…thumb pointing to make statesman like gestures..

[Bostonhibby]

Sunak making a point of addressing audience members by first name to show that he's their mate.Available in wetherspoons near you for an indefinite period between now and next election.

He's the boy in the engerlund top with the shaved head drinking stella.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Badenoch the only one that had to take the full 45 seconds reading from her notes

[Kato]

Penny Mourdant being asked what she’d do to grow the economy.

Answer: many things [moves the conversation on] :faf:She doesn't care about the economy as far as it effects us. It's all about tax avoidance for the people who wanted brexit most.

https://twitter.com/EuropeanPowell/status/1514880890580709393?t=YUT2SAbndz16W75y6lQ59Q&s=19

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[CropleyWasGod]

Mitty :greengrin

D'oh☺

[lapsedhibee]

Good presentation from Ch4. Guru-Murthy is good at this stuff, and you couldn't make out Truss's strings.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the wee chubby Trump lookalike Boris Johnson is urging all the defeated candidates to vote against Sunak, spoken like the little man child he truly is

[Hibernia&Alba]

All the polling suggests that Mordaunt would easily beat all other candidates in the run off amongst party members, hence they are all desperate to get her knocked out of the race beforehand. I'm hoping Truss, the most stupid of them, wins it and sinks the Tories for the next election.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i don't understand why Liz truss changed her mind on Brexit, i mean in the run up to the vote she was saying it would cost jobs and the british people were sensible enough to realise we would be better off in a reformed EU

Footage of 'Eurosceptic' Liz Truss campaigning against Brexit in 2016 resurfaces (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/footage-of-eurosceptic-liz-truss-campaigning-against-brexit-in-2016-resurfaces/ar-AAZuAbZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1061e138913146558dd200b91e30631d)


was she fooled with that sign on the big bus, then again many were tbf

[Kato]

i don't understand why Liz truss changed her mind on Brexit, i mean in the run up to the vote she was saying it would cost jobs and the british people were sensible enough to realise we would be better off in a reformed EU

Footage of 'Eurosceptic' Liz Truss campaigning against Brexit in 2016 resurfaces (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/footage-of-eurosceptic-liz-truss-campaigning-against-brexit-in-2016-resurfaces/ar-AAZuAbZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1061e138913146558dd200b91e30631d)


was she fooled with that sign on the big bus, then again many were tbfNo convictions, they bend with the wind.

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[Bostonhibby]

No convictions, they bend with the wind.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkSunak has a conviction.

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[Kato]

Sunak has a conviction.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkThat was just an "honourary" one to save Fattys face.

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[Bostonhibby]

That was just an "honourary" one to save Fattys face.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkTruss went after one but ended up constipated because she couldn't spell conviction

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[Kato]

Well done to all the candidates tonight. All that trying to appear humane and telling porkies must exhausting.

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[Glory Lurker]

Please make them go away. It's scaring me.

[weecounty hibby]

This will add absolutely nothing to the debate but I ****ing hate Tories!! And unless we vote for Independence we are destined to be ruled by them for at least 75% of our lives. How ****ing depressing is that?

[WeeRussell]

This will add absolutely nothing to the debate but I ****ing hate Tories!! And unless we vote for Independence we are destined to be ruled by them for at least 75% of our lives. How ****ing depressing is that?

Spot on

[Ozyhibby]

Newsnight tonight on the state of England’s ambulance service.[emoji102]


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[stoneyburn hibs]

And yet you would laugh off the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Sun/ Spectator etc as a source if an anti-independence poster tried to credit them ;-)

Personally I can't stand the Mail and that 'story' is the sort of standard nonsense they dredge up. Where and when has Mordaunt attempted to dress up her time in the RNR as anything other than what it is? Never is the answer as far as I can see but the right wingers in her party are determined to freeze her out, even if it means screwing their electoral hopes by shoehorning Truss into the top job.

Mordaunt's team have rightly chosen to ignore the likes of Lord Frost with their 'black ops' nonsense.

Lol, some amount of pish you've posted across the boards this week.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220716/407506a505f50a6863c221d4745836e0.jpg


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220716/407506a505f50a6863c221d4745836e0.jpg


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Whaaaaaat, she's 10 years younger than me? She must have had a hard paper round.

[lapsedhibee]

Whaaaaaat, she's 10 years younger than me? She must have had a hard paper round.
Maybe being active on the front line in Ukraine has taken a toll on her? :dunno:

[hibsbollah]

Whaaaaaat, she's 10 years younger than me? She must have had a hard paper round.

Manipulating your face into that ‘wistful yet determined’ expression she uses for photo ops countless thousands of times can put years on you.

[ronaldo7]

Maybe being active on the front line in Ukraine has taken a toll on her? :dunno:

Meanwhile, Penny was patrolling the coast of snake island in her RNR canoe.

[ronaldo7]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220715/58c521a5182a80a4f811c75722461c63.jpg

Rishi might be handy if he keeps going round saying Scottish people can’t be trusted with democracy.


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We must protect the Scots from the Scots, is a vote winner, by the English overlords

[weecounty hibby]

We must protect the Scots from the Scots, is a vote winner, by the English overlords

Our resident unionists don't like the word but that is colonialism no matter how you dress it up. We will decide what us best for you as we know better! We will decide what happens in your country, how your money is spent, how much of it you give to us etc etc. I can't fathom why people living in Scotland put up with that. Especially when you look at the total James Hunt they have made of the UK. But aye, they're the folk to tell is how to run Scotland

[He's here!]

Lol, some amount of pish you've posted across the boards this week.

You think that Daily Mail article is good?

[Ozyhibby]

Our resident unionists don't like the word but that is colonialism no matter how you dress it up. We will decide what us best for you as we know better! We will decide what happens in your country, how your money is spent, how much of it you give to us etc etc. I can't fathom why people living in Scotland put up with that. Especially when you look at the total James Hunt they have made of the UK. But aye, they're the folk to tell is how to run Scotland

Maybe they are just more clever than us? Maybe we should just let them decide everything for us?


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[McSwanky]

We keep being told the snp will wither away after independence and they only exist as the vehicle to gain independence. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.A ringing endorsement of what? The SNP? Scottish independence? The ability of Scottish people to make decisions for Scotland?

[Skol]

A ringing endorsement of what? The SNP? Scottish independence? The ability of Scottish people to make decisions for Scotland?

Sunak doesn’t trust the SNP. Neither do their own supporters other than to get independence.

[lapsedhibee]

Sunak doesn’t trust the SNP. Neither do their own supporters other than to get independence.

How do you get from 'some people might prefer a Labourish government in Scotland after independence' to 'SNP supporters don't trust the SNP'? :dunno:

[Stairway 2 7]

Nut job

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/15/penny-mordaunt-repeatedly-advocated-use-of-homeopathy-on-nhs

Penny Mordaunt repeatedly advocated use of homeopathy on NHS
Exclusive: Tory leadership candidate has voiced support for what others say is bogus treatment

[Kato]

Sunak doesn’t trust the SNP. Neither do their own supporters other than to get independence.If you build a hotel once its finished you don't ask the brickies and joiners who built it to make the beds and serve the food.

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[Smartie]

Nut job

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/15/penny-mordaunt-repeatedly-advocated-use-of-homeopathy-on-nhs

Penny Mordaunt repeatedly advocated use of homeopathy on NHS
Exclusive: Tory leadership candidate has voiced support for what others say is bogus treatment

Great line in there -

“It is concerning to think that a leading contender for the highest office has such a poor appreciation of the importance of evidence when it comes to healthcare and science, and that she feels confident standing publicly against the conclusions of medical experts.”

Pretty much sums up what you end up getting when you go down the far right populist government route.

[James310]

This thread is taking the usual direction, attacking women for how they look and back to bowing down to our English overlords and colonies again. Really progressive politics from the Scottish Nationalists on here that will push forward Independence.

[McSwanky]

Sunak doesn’t trust the SNP. Neither do their own supporters other than to get independence.So what was your point? Your first sentence is hardly a surprise and you're second sentence, whilst tenuous at best, doesn't really add or remove anything from the independence debate.

My view? While I think the entity of the SNP may well 'wither and die' as you so eloquently put it, the individuals in the party will most likely align themselves to another organisation. I can't see the likes of Nicola Sturgeon and Kate Forbes simply putting their feet up if/when Scotland breaks away. They're invested in making Scotland the best they can and that doesn't just stop with independence.

[Ozyhibby]

This thread is taking the usual direction, attacking women for how they look and back to bowing down to our English overlords and colonies again. Really progressive politics from the Scottish Nationalists on here that will push forward Independence.

You not going to defend Sunak?


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[grunt]

Sunak doesn’t trust the SNP. Neither do their own supporters other than to get independence.Your second attempt is sadly no better than your first.

I think what people are trying to do is to help you separate "support for the SNP" from "support for independence". What they are saying is that it's perfectly reasonable to think that independence would be positive for Scotland and at the same time think that the SNP is not the political party you want to support. It's ok to be a Tory and to still want independence for Scotland, and support for independence doesn't require you to necessarily support the SNP. That doesn't mean that people who suggest this "don't trust the SNP". That is a bizarre conclusion to arrive at.

[McSwanky]

This thread is taking the usual direction, attacking women for how they look and back to bowing down to our English overlords and colonies again. Really progressive politics from the Scottish Nationalists on here that will push forward Independence.You agree with Rishi then, yes? [emoji16]

[grunt]

This thread is taking the usual direction, attacking women for how they look and back to bowing down to our English overlords and colonies again. Really progressive politics from the Scottish Nationalists on here that will push forward Independence.
I don't really think that expressing surprise on discovering that an MP is younger than yourself is necessarily "attacking women for how they look", but it is absolutely normal for you to twist a single poster's words into an attack with which to smear a majority of the electorate.

[James310]

You not going to defend Sunak?


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What exactly did he say?