Tories are still lying *******s

[Kato]

Feral


Seaham Conservative Club wrestling 'death match' event probed by police

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-61412523



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[Hibernia&Alba]

That's been their line for a while. The other is if you can afford to drink or smoke you can afford to eat. Deflection from the fact many are really toiling

They've been using that patter since the 1980s e.g. anybody with a video recorder (or other appliance) can't really be in poverty. They have now fallen to using the same script in relation to absolute poverty: those who are struggling to obtain the basics of life - shelter, food, heating. Are those who rely on foodbanks really in poverty?:rolleyes:

We will eventually reach the point where they will claim that anybody who isn't homeless or starving to death isn't in poverty. The bar is constantly being lowered.

[ACLeith]

I really don't know where to start with this imbecile. My wife has worked on a foodbank for a number of years, so I hear first hand what is happening.

He states clearly that "his" foodbank (how often does he actually work there I wonder?) will only give out food on condition they sign up to cooking classes. But one of the biggest changes foodbanks have seen over the last few years is the large increase in the number of attendees who are actually in work. So if they are working full time, how can they attend classes?

I'd like to see him regularly live off 30p meals. How much is a tin of baked beans, rice, pasta, the occasional piece of meat or fish would blow that budget out of the water.

Many of the attendees do not have cooking facilities, they only have access to a microwave, often shared.

It's not just food that foodbanks provide. Having started that way, it quickly became apparent that things like sanitary and toiletry products, childrens' clothes and toys are sometimes just as important for the family. Will "his" foodbank start classes in how to make good quality toys for 30p?

Just a typical uncaring Tory politician who blames those least able to defend themselves. Not your typical Tory though, ex Miner and Labour Counsellor. Proves that converts are the worst.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Not your typical Tory though, ex Miner and Labour Counsellor. Proves that converts are the worst.

And so he should know better. He has no excuse for failing to understand the realities of poverty. I wonder what turned turned him into such a cretin?

[Hibrandenburg]

Apparently, the real reason for so many food banks isn't poverty but is because people can't cook and can't budget their income. Yes, he really said it...


https://youtu.be/xYQbP0k3-p8You can see exactly when people started forgetting how to cook.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/5ba938aff7b8e5a5a3a9dfcbdba225d1.jpg

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[JimBHibees]

They've been using that patter since the 1980s e.g. anybody with a video recorder (or other appliance) can't really be in poverty. They have now fallen to using the same script in relation to absolute poverty: those who are struggling to obtain the basics of life - shelter, food, heating. Are those who rely on foodbanks really in poverty?:rolleyes:

We will eventually reach the point where they will claim that anybody who isn't homeless or starving to death isn't in poverty. The bar is constantly being lowered.

Thought we were levelling up not down

[ACLeith]

Thought we were levelling up not down

Up for some, down for most of us

[stu in nottingham]

I'd like to see him regularly live off 30p meals. How much is a tin of baked beans, rice, pasta, the occasional piece of meat or fish would blow that budget out of the water.


That would probably buy you three small onions or similar. I'll bet that ******** couldn't even peel one let alone try to live off them.

Our friend Lee is kindly trying to offer you a diet that will, at best, stop you from being dead. How very aspirational. Of course it won't matter too much to millionaire Lee with his claimed expenses of £220,000 alone last year.

He is MP in a former mining area of Nottinghamshire like his moronic colleague, Ben Bradley is in Mansfield, areas of formerly good solid working class values. They and the people who voted them in should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That would probably buy you three small onions or similar. I'll bet that ******** couldn't even peel one let alone try to live off them.

Our friend Lee is kindly trying to offer you a diet that will, at best, stop you from being dead. How very aspirational. Of course it won't matter too much to millionaire Lee with his claimed expenses of £220,000 alone last year.

He is MP in a former mining area of Nottinghamshire like his moronic colleague, Ben Bradley is in Mansfield, areas of formerly good solid working class values. They and the people who voted them in should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

This is the thing that really annoys me. It's the very well off lecturing, in a sanctimonious way, those who are struggling to feed their family: "the poor can't cook and they can't control their finances. It's their own lack of skills that's the problem.". It's outrageous and demonstrates the hubris of such people, thinking they can 'educate' the poor, who are just so lazy and profligate. Tory victim blaming once again. I mean it isn't as if their policies since 2010 are responsible for the massive increase in hunger.

[stokesmessiah]

You can see exactly when people started forgetting how to cook.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/5ba938aff7b8e5a5a3a9dfcbdba225d1.jpg

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That is absolutely disgusting!

[JimBHibees]

You can see exactly when people started forgetting how to cook.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/5ba938aff7b8e5a5a3a9dfcbdba225d1.jpg

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Horrific statistics and shows how much of a despicable government and media we have.

[Northernhibee]

Wait, so if they don’t enroll in being lectured about budgeting and cooking then do they not get food?

[Smartie]

Horrific statistics and shows how much of a despicable government and media we have.

What happened in 2010 again?

That graph makes for grim reading.

[ACLeith]

Wait, so if they don’t enroll in being lectured about budgeting and cooking then do they not get food?

That's what he said. But if the volunteers in his area are like those I know then I can't imagine they would be implementing that

[stu in nottingham]

Wait, so if they don’t enroll in being lectured about budgeting and cooking then do they not get food?

Yes that's right. Shameful.

'Mr Anderson invited “everybody” on the opposition benches in the Commons to visit a food bank in his Nottinghamshire constituency where, when people come for a food parcel, they now need to register for a “budgeting course” and a “cooking course”.'

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/notts-mp-lee-anderson-defends-7069718


Local comment:

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/disbelief-anger-nottinghamshire-streets-after-7071382

[hibsbollah]

Wait, so if they don’t enroll in being lectured about budgeting and cooking then do they not get food?

:faf: this is really too much now.
Please don’t tell me using ‘fascism’ to describe this governments behaviour is hyperbolic.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Wait, so if they don’t enroll in being lectured about budgeting and cooking then do they not get food?

But it's charity, not state financed, so who imposed that rule?

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/may/12/government-refuses-to-release-lebedev-peerage-details-despite-mps-instruction?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium#Echobox=1652374171

People still think we are a democracy.[emoji849]


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[stu in nottingham]

Just seen Lee Anderson being interviewed about this story on the local news, what a horrible *******. Very aggressive with the interviewer over some fairly straightforward questions, lashing out at the media.

'I'll take no lessons from the left or you lot in the media who've been having a go at me over this'.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/may/12/government-refuses-to-release-lebedev-peerage-details-despite-mps-instruction?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium#Echobox=1652374171

People still think we are a democracy.[emoji849]


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Link doesn’t work, is this about Corbyn being in Russias pockets again?

[Ozyhibby]

Link doesn’t work, is this about Corbyn being in Russias pockets again?

Works for me. It’s about Lebedev. Johnson refusing to release advice from security services despite parliament voting for it.


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[hibsbollah]

Works for me. It’s about Lebedev. Johnson refusing to release advice from security services despite parliament voting for it.


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It was ironic, I thought you knew my schtick by now :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Just seen Lee Anderson being interviewed about this story on the local news, what a horrible *******. Very aggressive with the interviewer over some fairly straightforward questions, lashing out at the media.

'I'll take no lessons from the left or you lot in the media who've been having a go at me over this'.

Claimed £210k in expenses last year.


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[hibsbollah]

Claimed £210k in expenses last year.


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Of which £4100 was travel and ‘subsistence’. Fair few non home cooked meals involved, presumably.

[stu in nottingham]

Claimed £210k in expenses last year.


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:agree: £220,000 and a reported net worth of '£1-5m approx'.

[Kato]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/may/12/government-refuses-to-release-lebedev-peerage-details-despite-mps-instruction?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium#Echobox=1652374171

People still think we are a democracy.[emoji849]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNo only that he's also refused to give it to the The Intelligence and Security Committee. It is a separate request to the commons one you showed above, a request which should have been kept classified but was revealed today. He is stepping on a lot toes to keep this schtum.

https://isc.independent.gov.uk/news/

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[Hibernia&Alba]

:agree: £220,000 and a reported net worth of '£1-5m approx'.

£220,000 in expenses means a very good lifestyle, yet he's lecturing people who supposedly can't cook and budget on how to prepare a meal for thirty pence. Here's an idea, how about he learns to budget better, so that he needn't claim a fortune in expenses on top of his salary! The gall of people like him, moralising to people who have nothing.

[JimBHibees]

Claimed £210k in expenses last year.


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How is that even possible to claim so much? Whatever happened to the expenses scandal not that long ago

[JimBHibees]

No only that he's also refused to give it to the The Intelligence and Security Committee. It is a separate request to the commons one you showed above, a request which should have been kept classified but was revealed today. He is stepping on a lot toes to keep this schtum.

https://isc.independent.gov.uk/news/

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Johnson should have been immediately removed when as foreign secretary he was visiting the Russian palace in Italy without security detail. Appears as if he is untouchable. Corrupt and corrupted

[Crunchie]

Claimed £210k in expenses last year.


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Let's not kid ourselves that it's just the tories that are at it, over 30 SNP MP's claimed more despite mostly working from home, the highest being Owen Thompson on £264,347,14.

He must have some collection of expensive whips in his cupboard.

[Moulin Yarns]

Let's not kid ourselves that it's just the tories that are at it, over 30 SNP MP's claimed more despite mostly working from home, the highest being Owen Thompson on £264,347,14.

He must have some collection of expensive whips in his cupboard.


Hazarding a guess, but the SNP mps have higher travel costs than most other mps.


I think there should be caps on individual parts of the expenses such as office, or staff but travelling 800 miles or more most weekends is bound to be high.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/status/1525017632029679618?s=21&t=oQRhvF7gX8yP5A5xD1bPLA

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[stu in nottingham]

How is that even possible to claim so much? Whatever happened to the expenses scandal not that long ago

A proportion of it is 'staff' Jim. Make of that what you will.


Let's not kid ourselves that it's just the tories that are at it, over 30 SNP MP's claimed more despite mostly working from home, the highest being Owen Thompson on £264,347,14.


Nobody is kidding anyone. Those SNP, Labour and indeed other Tory MPs are not lecturing people on how to live on meals that cost 30p though. Nor are they implementing plans that marginalise people in serious need of food relief if they are unable to attend classes in cooking and money management if they are working, child care responsibilities etc.

Anderson should really take some of those classes himself in the latter, he might even be able to cut down his expenses claim a little.

We are talking about a first rate c*** here.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bloomberguk/status/1525034013466959873?s=21&t=oQRhvF7gX8yP5A5xD1bPLA

Is this believable? Surely not?


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[JeMeSouviens]

https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/status/1525017632029679618?s=21&t=oQRhvF7gX8yP5A5xD1bPLA

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Brazenly taking the piss.

hibsbollah is right, a restless lynch mob and a guillotine is the only way to sort this lot out.:protest::chop:

(Amazingly, both relevant smileys exist. :top marks)

[JeMeSouviens]

https://twitter.com/bloomberguk/status/1525034013466959873?s=21&t=oQRhvF7gX8yP5A5xD1bPLA

Is this believable? Surely not?


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That's (literally) incredible. :confused:

But ferries'n'that eh? :rolleyes:

[Sergio sledge]

:agree: £220,000 and a reported net worth of '£1-5m approx'.

Not that I believe MP's expenses claims are at all reasonable, there's a massive amount of them could cut back drastically, but... Does this figure not cover the cost of running a constituency office as well as their own expenses?

So there will be office rental costs, business rates, furniture for the office, IT equipment, staff salaries (and the NI, tax and pensions that go along with that), hiring venues for surgeries, town hall meetings etc. Could easily see £150k going on those things if he's got 2 or 3 staff to employ.

[Lendo]

Not that I believe MP's expenses claims are at all reasonable, there's a massive amount of them could cut back drastically, but... Does this figure not cover the cost of running a constituency office as well as their own expenses?

So there will be office rental costs, business rates, furniture for the office, IT equipment, staff salaries (and the NI, tax and pensions that go along with that), hiring venues for surgeries, town hall meetings etc. Could easily see £150k going on those things if he's got 2 or 3 staff to employ.

Precisely, you can’t just look at the gross figure. Needs broken down in to its constituent parts to really get an accurate figure to determine who is taking the piss

[stu in nottingham]

Not that I believe MP's expenses claims are at all reasonable, there's a massive amount of them could cut back drastically, but... Does this figure not cover the cost of running a constituency office as well as their own expenses?


Yes it does, as stated above (staff) etc.

However, this man is telling people they can economise and live on meals that cost 30p. Some may think it reasonable then that he considers economies in his own spending of the tax payers money.

Anderson claims £16,000 more than the average MP.

He also has an £84,144 annual salary.

[hibsbollah]

(Amazingly, both relevant smileys exist. :top marks)

This fact alone demonstrates its definitely the way to go. Nous n'avons rien a perdre mais nos chaines!! :sauzee:
.:chop:

:protest:

[Moulin Yarns]

Precisely, you can’t just look at the gross figure. Needs broken down in to its constituent parts to really get an accurate figure to determine who is taking the piss

It's all out there in the public domain.


https://www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-staffing-business-costs/your-mp/lee-anderson/4743

[Jones28]

Of which £4100 was travel and ‘subsistence’. Fair few non home cooked meals involved, presumably.


£11 a day. On subsistence :faf:

[hibsbollah]

£11 a day. On subsistence :faf:

4 bacon rolls. Or gammon?

[Sergio sledge]

Yes it does, as stated above (staff) etc.

However, this man is telling people they can economise and live on meals that cost 30p. Some may think it reasonable then that he considers economies in his own spending of the tax payers money.

Anderson claims £16,000 more than the average MP.

He also has an £84,144 annual salary.

Yeah, completely agree, the same should go for all of them, I'm sure there's a whole lot of them eat out regularly while at Westminster rather than cooking a meal in their flat/room which would save the taxpayers a lot of money if they did.

He definitely needs to be given expenses of 30p a meal for a few weeks to see how impossible it is. We cook from fresh most nights and have cut down on meat recently, but 30p per meal is nearly impossible. It would basically be pasta with a simple sauce every single meal.

I'm just trying to give a bot of context behind the headline grabbing figures being quoted for MP's expenses, they're still ridiculously excessive in many cases but maybe not as bad as it looks when you quote the whole amount.

[Sergio sledge]

It's all out there in the public domain.


https://www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-staffing-business-costs/your-mp/lee-anderson/4743

Interesting, he had 5 full time permanent staff in 2020/2021 , 2 part time permanent staff and 3 fixed term full time staff. Seems like a lot of people to be employing IMHO, I was thinking 2 or 3 would be reasonable. Of course it might be that they weren't all employed at the same time.

[Ozyhibby]

That's (literally) incredible. :confused:

But ferries'n'that eh? :rolleyes:

https://media4.giphy.com/media/JliGmPEIgzGLe/giphy.gif


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[Just Alf]

£11 a day. On subsistence :faf:So he's lecturing people that don't get anywhere near that amount of.money to pay for ALL their families meals and he's claiming it for just his own food while working (so will have other meals on top of the 11 quids worth)

>expletive deleted<

[Jones28]

So he's lecturing people that don't get anywhere near that amount of.money to pay for ALL their families meals and he's claiming it for just his own food while working (so will have other meals on top of the 11 quids worth)

>expletive deleted<

Yepp, AND I divided that total by 365, not by working week days.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Not that I believe MP's expenses claims are at all reasonable, there's a massive amount of them could cut back drastically, but... Does this figure not cover the cost of running a constituency office as well as their own expenses?

So there will be office rental costs, business rates, furniture for the office, IT equipment, staff salaries (and the NI, tax and pensions that go along with that), hiring venues for surgeries, town hall meetings etc. Could easily see £150k going on those things if he's got 2 or 3 staff to employ.

This is all set out in IPSA guidelines, Office costs including rent and supplies are set at £25910 per annum, staffing costs are set at £177550 per annum, any more spent is expected to be covered by the MPs themselves.
So effectively when you are looking at MPs expenses you can take off £200k for their constituency offices and staff. The rest is made up of Accommodation costs which is the cost of living in London to attend parliament, this is contentious and groups have been fighting to have the rules changes because MPs abuse this, the best idea is to have a MPs Hotel in London that is paid directly. The other costs that make up MPs expenses is Travel and Subsistence, this does mean the further away you are from London the more you need to claim, hence why a lot of Scottish MPs have high Travel and subsistence costs. The expenses system is abused by MPs (nepotistic employments, heating stables, cleaning duck ponds, claiming for EVERYTHING they spend), this is empirically true. It was until uncovered by a couple of newspapers, considered one of the benefits of the job. There is a standards committee that reviews expenses but they have one of the best expenses packages offered with any job.

This was published over a decade ago and reading some of the language in it, it is hard to believe it related to current politicians, especially tories (read the first part, the 7 principles of public life)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/336904/MP_expenses_exec_summary.pdf

[Keith_M]

...


Nobody is kidding anyone. Those SNP, Labour and indeed other Tory MPs are not lecturing people on how to live on meals that cost 30p though. Nor are they implementing plans that marginalise people in serious need of food relief if they are unable to attend classes in cooking and money management if they are working, child care responsibilities etc.

Anderson should really take some of those classes himself in the latter, he might even be able to cut down his expenses claim a little.

We are talking about a first rate c*** here.


:agree:


Criticising the SNP, Labour or Lib-Dem MPs does not excuse this guy in any way.

The guy is a hypocrite and clearly detached from the reality of many people's lives.

[gbhibby]

https://twitter.com/bloomberguk/status/1525034013466959873?s=21&t=oQRhvF7gX8yP5A5xD1bPLA

Is this believable? Surely not?


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I smell sh#te. Homage to Karen Dunbar character

[Keith_M]

Regarding England Players taking the knee in a stance against racism...

"For the first time in my life I will not be watching my beloved England team whilst they are supporting a political movement whose core principles aim to undermine our very way of life."

Lee Anderson

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/lee-anderson-statement-over-england-5611162


Councillor Lee Anderson suspended by Labour Party in 2018 for dumping boulders to block access to a Traveller camp site

https://www.chad.co.uk/news/councillor-suspended-ashfield-labour-group-1047424


...he then defects to the Conservatives shortly after, then this happens...

"'Nuisance' council tenants 'should live in tents' says Ashfield Tory candidate"

"...certain "nuisance tenants" on the Carsic estate were "making people's lives a complete misery".He then said: "These people, who have to live somewhere, let's have them in a tent, in the middle of a field.

"Six o'clock every morning, let's have them up. Let's have them in the field, picking potatoes or any other seasonal vegetables, back in the tent, cold shower, lights out, six o'clock, same again the next day."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50474572


He's later investigated by the Conservative party for Anti-Semitism

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/tories-investigate-three-candidates-over-alleged-antisemitism


And most recently, the foodbank statement.


What a guy!

[Glory Lurker]

https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/status/1525017632029679618?s=21&t=oQRhvF7gX8yP5A5xD1bPLA

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Very much doubt this is real. Rayner a bit of a dafty for falling for it.

[stu in nottingham]

Regarding England Players taking the knee in a stance against racism...

"For the first time in my life I will not be watching my beloved England team whilst they are supporting a political movement whose core principles aim to undermine our very way of life."

Lee Anderson

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/lee-anderson-statement-over-england-5611162


Councillor Lee Anderson suspended by Labour Party in 2018 for dumping boulders to block access to a Traveller camp site

https://www.chad.co.uk/news/councillor-suspended-ashfield-labour-group-1047424


...he then defects to the Conservatives shortly after, then this happens...

"'Nuisance' council tenants 'should live in tents' says Ashfield Tory candidate"

"...certain "nuisance tenants" on the Carsic estate were "making people's lives a complete misery".He then said: "These people, who have to live somewhere, let's have them in a tent, in the middle of a field.

"Six o'clock every morning, let's have them up. Let's have them in the field, picking potatoes or any other seasonal vegetables, back in the tent, cold shower, lights out, six o'clock, same again the next day."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50474572


He's later investigated by the Conservative party for Anti-Semitism

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/tories-investigate-three-candidates-over-alleged-antisemitism


And most recently, the foodbank statement.


What a guy!

He is a detestable excuse for a human being, Keith.

He parrots the 'I was a miner, my dad was a miner' working class hero stuff in interview after interview - one of them a rather chummy affair with Nigel Farage. He is an inverted snob and a con man. He reminds me of the old Harry Enfield Yorkshireman character, 'I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say'. Christ, you'd think him and his dad were the only people who ever went down a pit.

He was once caught out setting up a fake interview with a mate when out canvassing and door knocking
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news-conservative-hopeful-lee-anderson-caught-staging-door-knock-interview-with-62836/

Then there was the sexist post
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-appoint-mp-who-reprimanded-24197996

Thsi distinctly questionable meeting with Boris Johnson. Some might believe him, I don't. it made the national news.
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-self-isolating-after-being-in-contact-with-someone-who-tested-positive-for-covid-19-12133559

[Radium]

Very much doubt this is real. Rayner a bit of a dafty for falling for it.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220513/fb18f5d158a5896b6d048f9a43bc6abc.png

https://twitter.com/hertscommunityf/status/1525052919057350656?s=21&t=CPT50QpCl-eC2wM0x9mbWQ


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Jaco only needed four on Twitter: "We can't say we weren't warned https://t.co/WpDFQCBFHx" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/PaulRei91519270/status/1524419193206185984?s=19&fbclid=IwAR13qxgY5mB9m67ZYB9YJWKtA96iWgLbsX6rbpRHW LU9OLUFzUkDw15Q9wA)


https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/280296309_1942858689235107_7929139443533686272_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-6&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=vrOGJe6anzkAX_2OuG1&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-r1zx3656FvPpzZ3Mk4YGKzoZ0_3yw5Ew3yeE1QPxPrw&oe=628319D5


absolutely no surprise re the post about Starmer either, the sooner all labour voters realise he's a Tory the better :agree:

[Hibrandenburg]

He is a detestable excuse for a human being, Keith.

He parrots the 'I was a miner, my dad was a miner' working class hero stuff in interview after interview - one of them a rather chummy affair with Nigel Farage. He is an inverted snob and a con man. He reminds me of the old Harry Enfield Yorkshireman character, 'I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say'. Christ, you'd think him and his dad were the only people who ever went down a pit.

He was once caught out setting up a fake interview with a mate when out canvassing and door knocking
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news-conservative-hopeful-lee-anderson-caught-staging-door-knock-interview-with-62836/

Then there was the sexist post
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-appoint-mp-who-reprimanded-24197996

Thsi distinctly questionable meeting with Boris Johnson. Some might believe him, I don't. it made the national news.
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-self-isolating-after-being-in-contact-with-someone-who-tested-positive-for-covid-19-12133559I utterly detest these ***** that somehow believe it's hard work that separates them from us oinks.

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[Keith_M]

He is a detestable excuse for a human being, Keith.

He parrots the 'I was a miner, my dad was a miner' working class hero stuff in interview after interview - one of them a rather chummy affair with Nigel Farage. He is an inverted snob and a con man. He reminds me of the old Harry Enfield Yorkshireman character, 'I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say'. Christ, you'd think him and his dad were the only people who ever went down a pit.

He was once caught out setting up a fake interview with a mate when out canvassing and door knocking
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news-conservative-hopeful-lee-anderson-caught-staging-door-knock-interview-with-62836/

Then there was the sexist post
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-appoint-mp-who-reprimanded-24197996

Thsi distinctly questionable meeting with Boris Johnson. Some might believe him, I don't. it made the national news.
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-self-isolating-after-being-in-contact-with-someone-who-tested-positive-for-covid-19-12133559


He's even worse than I thought

[hibsbollah]

He is a detestable excuse for a human being, Keith.

He parrots the 'I was a miner, my dad was a miner' working class hero stuff in interview after interview - one of them a rather chummy affair with Nigel Farage. He is an inverted snob and a con man. He reminds me of the old Harry Enfield Yorkshireman character, 'I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say'. Christ, you'd think him and his dad were the only people who ever went down a pit.

He was once caught out setting up a fake interview with a mate when out canvassing and door knocking
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news-conservative-hopeful-lee-anderson-caught-staging-door-knock-interview-with-62836/

Then there was the sexist post
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-appoint-mp-who-reprimanded-24197996

Thsi distinctly questionable meeting with Boris Johnson. Some might believe him, I don't. it made the national news.
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-self-isolating-after-being-in-contact-with-someone-who-tested-positive-for-covid-19-12133559

Jack Monroe is destroying him on Twitter I see, he may be facing legal action if he doesn’t take some of his defamatory posts down. What a nasty piece of work he is.

[stu in nottingham]

Jack Monroe is destroying him on Twitter I see, he may be facing legal action if he doesn’t take some of his defamatory posts down. What a nasty piece of work he is.

Possible libel against Anderson I see.

Most people, even those you don't generally agree with can sometimes say and do good things. Anderson is one of those people who seem totally irredeemable in almost every thought and action. The millionaire Anderson has a screw loose.

'In the new clip Lee Anderson blasts Jack Monroeafter she called him a “rich, white privileged male”
He told Martin Dubney: “I’m giving my time & my money to help the people in Ashfield. She’s taking money off some of the most vulnerable in society.”
He then claimed that she has made a lot of money selling books, ‘she is taking money off some of the most vulnerable in society and making an absolute fortune on the back of people. I’m not rich.”'

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/watch-jack-monroe-claims-outright-libel-after-lee-anderson-slams-her-in-video-322565/

[Oscar T Grouch]

I’m a big fan of Jack Monroe, her response to the ridiculous pile on she’s experienced from right wingers over the last few days is below.
I hope her defamation lawsuits are as successful as hers against that sackful of bile and hate Katie Hopkins.

https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2022/05/12/whats-the-difference-between-jack-monroe-suggesting-budget-recipes-and-a-tory-mp/

[Smartie]

I’m a big fan of Jack Monroe, her response to the ridiculous pile on she’s experienced from right wingers over the last few days is below.
I hope her defamation lawsuits are as successful as hers against that sackful of bile and hate Katie Hopkins.

https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2022/05/12/whats-the-difference-between-jack-monroe-suggesting-budget-recipes-and-a-tory-mp/

As sad as it is that this niche for her exists (a criticism not of her and one I'm sure she'd agree with with) I find her a beacon of hope and goodness in an increasingly bleak landscape.

She has good on her side and is articulate and intelligent enough to be able to use it.

[silverhibee]

As sad as it is that this niche for her exists (a criticism not of her and one I'm sure she'd agree with with) I find her a beacon of hope and goodness in an increasingly bleak landscape.

She has good on her side and is articulate and intelligent enough to be able to use it.

Anyone sticking up or trying to help the poor or vulnerable seem to become targets from the tories, these f*****s need run out of this country.

[Bostonhibby]

As sad as it is that this niche for her exists (a criticism not of her and one I'm sure she'd agree with with) I find her a beacon of hope and goodness in an increasingly bleak landscape.

She has good on her side and is articulate and intelligent enough to be able to use it.A good person and very articulately put, going to attract a lot of Nasty party hate.

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[stu in nottingham]

As sad as it is that this niche for her exists (a criticism not of her and one I'm sure she'd agree with with) I find her a beacon of hope and goodness in an increasingly bleak landscape.

She has good on her side and is articulate and intelligent enough to be able to use it.

Very well said Smartie. I also find some inspiration that there are still people like her around.


Anyone sticking up or trying to help the poor or vulnerable seem to become targets from the tories, these f*****s need run out of this country.

Crazy isn't it? What kind of person wants to stand in the way of and object to someone doing good for others.

I noticed after Anderson invited the world to Sutton-in-Ashfield to view 'his' food bank, a prominent older lady involved in running it sought to distance herself from his views in front of the cameras. She was obviously somewhat inhibited or intimidated by Anderson shouting off and bringing national media to the food bank in expressing her views but nevertheless did not agree with his point of view. Then again, her only reason for being there was to help others less fortunate, not make political capital out of it like Anderson.

Glad to read this news about Jack Monroe sueing. Perhaps it will teach him to stop lashing out at everyone who doesn't agree with him though I somehow doubt that.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/15/food-writer-jack-monroe-sues-tory-mp-claims-she-makes-fortune-poor-lee-anderson

[stu in nottingham]

Bitterly disappointed in the people of Grantham.

It took two full hours after the statue being erected for it to be egged.

PS There is no harbour in Grantham.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJaWi60btQA&amp;ab_channel=DailyRecord

[Bostonhibby]

Bitterly disappointed in the people of Grantham.

It took two full hours after the statue being erected for it to be egged.

PS There is no harbour in Grantham.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJaWi60btQA&amp;ab_channel=DailyRecordUnfortun ately I couldn't make the unveiling but will keep the eggs for later.

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[hibsbollah]

Anyone sticking up or trying to help the poor or vulnerable seem to become targets from the tories, these f*****s need run out of this country.

I’ve been following her for a long time and she’s genuine and bases her politics on real life experience, also lived on the breadline herself as a single parent in Kent on benefits. A lot of her recipes are based on canned and frozen food and are damn tasty, reflecting the reality that ‘fresh’ food isn’t always necessary to make most recipes. It’s a central truth that more knowledge about cooking and being frugal is necessary, but this Tory twists that and makes it into a dividing line between the deserving and undeserving poor. Disgusting really.

[Killiehibbie]

Unfortunately I couldn't make the unveiling but will keep the eggs for later.

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Better if it got pulled down during the night

[Bostonhibby]

Better if it got pulled down during the nightThink it will be in for a bumpy ride, no doubt the local taxpayers will ensure it's protection and upkeep.

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[Andy Bee]

Reported on LBC earlier that a leaked document from Liz Truss's office had plans for the Government to purchase one of the most sought after town houses in Manhattan valued at approx £20m, the reason "to entertain foreign dignitaries and business people". So that's a new ship, two planes one of which with fancy paintwork and now a £20m party pad in Manhattan. Some people don't seem to be struggling as much as others.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10816915/Liz-Truss-faces-Whitehall-row-purchase-20m-New-York-partyhouse-British-diplomats.html

[Moulin Yarns]

Reported on LBC earlier that a leaked document from Liz Truss's office had plans for the Government to purchase one of the most sought after town houses in Manhattan valued at approx £20m, the reason "to entertain foreign dignitaries and business people". So that's a new ship, two planes one of which with fancy paintwork and now a £20m party pad in Manhattan. Some people don't seem to be struggling as much as others.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10816915/Liz-Truss-faces-Whitehall-row-purchase-20m-New-York-partyhouse-British-diplomats.html

Aye, but the entertaining will be at a cost of 30p per head, obviously! 🤔

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/ridgeonsunday/status/1525779212430462976?s=21&t=lYCstMgXpZIZhv6T_xZYmA

… stick with the mantra, Europe bad, Boris good…


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[stokesmessiah]

https://twitter.com/ridgeonsunday/status/1525779212430462976?s=21&t=lYCstMgXpZIZhv6T_xZYmA

… stick with the mantra, Europe bad, Boris good…


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I watched that yesterday….the best bit is where Kwasi blames the EU for their legalist thinking…I.e they won’t break their own laws to do what we want them
to.

I don’t know how his ministers sleep at night knowing they have to try and peddle this nonsense.

[grunt]

https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360


Minister says people should work more hours or move to a better job to protect themselves from cost of living surge

[stu in nottingham]

https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

So if everyone took her advice and 'moved to a better paid job' who would do all the lower paid jobs that are often the most necessary ones?

These clowns are just oxygen thieves.

[lapsedhibee]

So if everyone took her advice and 'moved to a better paid job' who would do all the lower paid jobs that are often the most necessary ones?

These clowns are just oxygen thieves.

Only one goal in appointing people to the cabinet: candidates should not be seen by Tory members as a possible successor to Johnson in the event of a leadership challenge.

Two routes: appoint people who either
(1) have brown skin
(2) are visibly stupid

or both, like Patel.

Maclean is a number 2.

The cokehead is an outlier here, but I can't think of any other exceptions.

[Jack]

Only one goal in appointing people to the cabinet: candidates should not be seen by Tory members as a possible successor to Johnson in the event of a leadership challenge.

Two routes: appoint people who either
(1) have brown skin
(2) are visibly stupid

or both, like Patel.

Maclean is a number 2.

The cokehead is an outlier here, but I can't think of any other exceptions.

He's a tory jock. He knows what the jocks need to keep them onside and save the union.

[lapsedhibee]

He's a tory jock. He knows what the jocks need to keep them onside and save the union.
I saw him pretending to be an American and a Liverpudlian on the tellybox the other day. Is he going to be wheeled out to do a Scottish accent at some point as well?

[Ozyhibby]

I saw him pretending to be an American and a Liverpudlian on the tellybox the other day. Is he going to be wheeled out to do a Scottish accent at some point as well?

Not sure he could pull it off.


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[SHODAN]

I saw him pretending to be an American and a Liverpudlian on the tellybox the other day. Is he going to be wheeled out to do a Scottish accent at some point as well?

He comes across as someone who would be quite entertaining to be in the company of or possibly even friends with, but who you wouldn't want anywhere near a seat of power.

[silverhibee]

I watched that yesterday….the best bit is where Kwasi blames the EU for their legalist thinking…I.e they won’t break their own laws to do what we want them
to.

I don’t know how his ministers sleep at night knowing they have to try and peddle this nonsense.

When the lying gets called out then just blame it on someone else, and to think there is people in this country who think they are doing a grand job.

[Berwickhibby]

Tory Rachel McLean’s solution to the Cost of Living Crisis is work more hours or find a better paying job…. Next step will be workhouses :fuming:

[Bostonhibby]

Tory Rachel McLean’s solution to the Cost of Living Crisis is work more hours or find a better paying job…. Next step will be workhouses :fuming:What we need is more chimneys to sweep and more little street urchins to doff their caps to the new elite that the Nasty party is creating, in return for a farthing and a cheery smile from a top hat bedecked Rees Mogg.

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[Oscar T Grouch]

Tory Rachel McLean’s solution to the Cost of Living Crisis is work more hours or find a better paying job…. Next step will be workhouses :fuming:

This is what that odious tory Lee Anderson wants. 30p meals are basically gruel, and he wants you to perform tasks to get that gruel. That is pretty much a workhouse. To go along with the workhouses the tories would also re-introduce debtors prison, where you get sent to work off your debt at slave labour rates whilst they charge you for the 'free' accommodation they offer and gruel at £1 a plate, because you know, they need to make a profit on the food they provide you. But don't worry they won't introduce debtors prison until the NHS is totally privatised and people already on their knees will need to face medical debt too.

[Eaststand]

This is what that odious tory Lee Anderson wants. 30p meals are basically gruel, and he wants you to perform tasks to get that gruel. That is pretty much a workhouse. To go along with the workhouses the tories would also re-introduce debtors prison, where you get sent to work off your debt at slave labour rates whilst they charge you for the 'free' accommodation they offer and gruel at £1 a plate, because you know, they need to make a profit on the food they provide you. But don't worry they won't introduce debtors prison until the NHS is totally privatised and people already on their knees will need to face medical debt too.

It's unbelievable how often these sad, ridiculous type of statements crop up from the detestable Tories, that coupled with Tory ministers families and friends being awarded millions, or in some cases literally Billions of taxpayers money via dodgy contracts.

I'd urge anybody who can do so to join a political party which opposes the Tories, and then help out with leafletting etc.

I'd say the solution to rid ourselves of people like Anderson is to vote for independence and free our country from these selfish morons in Westminster.

Scotland would be a much better and fairer place without these type of ramblings from Westminster and also from the unelected friends of Tories who sit in the House of Lords.

Roll on the 2023 referendum 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

GGTTH

[Stairway 2 7]

It's unbelievable how often these sad, ridiculous type of statements crop up from the detestable Tories, that coupled with Tory ministers families and friends being awarded millions, or in some cases literally Billions of taxpayers money via dodgy contracts.

I'd urge anybody who can do so to join a political party which opposes the Tories, and then help out with leafletting etc.

I'd say the solution to rid ourselves of people like Anderson is to vote for independence and free our country from these selfish morons in Westminster.

Scotland would be a much better and fairer place without these type of ramblings from Westminster and also from the unelected friends of Tories who sit in the House of Lords.

Roll on the 2023 referendum 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

GGTTH

Not sure if there will be a 2023 referendum. It would be close but these tory statements will certainly help. There's a global inflation and energy price crisis coming, its whether snp can dodge that or deflect it down south

[James310]

Roll on the 2023 referendum 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

GGTTH

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being absolute certainty what would you say the chances of a referendum in 2023 are?

Bearing in mind Nicola Sturgeon said she would announce her plans "within weeks" in January and we are now in May.

I just don't see it at all.

[greenginger]

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being absolute certainty what would you say the chances of a referendum in 2023 are?

Bearing in mind Nicola Sturgeon said she would announce her plans "within weeks" in January and we are now in May.

I just don't see it at all.

Maybe they can’t find the legal advice :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being absolute certainty what would you say the chances of a referendum in 2023 are?

Bearing in mind Nicola Sturgeon said she would announce her plans "within weeks" in January and we are now in May.

I just don't see it at all.

I can’t see it and don’t think the timing is right for SNP. I think NS is of a similar opinion and that’s why it’s taking so long to bring bill before parliament. Like all parties though, the SNP has to placate its fundamentalists though so can’t be that sure about what happens.


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[Eaststand]

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being absolute certainty what would you say the chances of a referendum in 2023 are?

Bearing in mind Nicola Sturgeon said she would announce her plans "within weeks" in January and we are now in May.

I just don't see it at all.

No doubt our intention to hold a referendum in our own country will be strongly resisted by the Tory government and by their unionist friends in Westminster, but our Scottish parliament have a mandate from the last Scottish election to hold an independence referendum within this parliamentary period.

So to answer your question, I think it's a 10 that the referendum in Scotland will happen in 2023.

GGTTH

[Stairway 2 7]

No doubt our intention to hold a referendum in our own country will resisted by the Tory government and their unionist friends in Westminster, but our Scottish parliament have a mandate from the last Scottish election to hold an independence referendum within this parliamentary period.
So to answer your question, I think the referendum will happen in 2023.

GGTTH

Would be worried if so. Polls although obviously aren't accurate give an idea. All have no majority this year. Lose this and it will be decades before another. Huge huge call

[Ozyhibby]

Would be worried if so. Polls although obviously aren't accurate give an idea. All have no majority this year. Lose this and it will be decades before another. Huge huge call

Huge huge call at any time for both sides of the debate. Neither side can be certain of a favourable result.


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[Eaststand]

Would be worried if so. Polls although obviously aren't accurate give an idea. All have no majority this year. Lose this and it will be decades before another. Huge huge call

Have faith, we can and hopefully will break away from the cesspit of Westminster politics, all we have to do is be confident enough to vote for it when the time comes 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

GGTTH

[James310]

I can’t see it and don’t think the timing is right for SNP. I think NS is of a similar opinion and that’s why it’s taking so long to bring bill before parliament. Like all parties though, the SNP has to placate its fundamentalists though so can’t be that sure about what happens.


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I think you are spot on, but Nicola Sturgeon does seem to get a fairly easy ride from her supporters so far, but if she fails to deliver another referendum in 2023 then for the first time ever does she start to feel the pressure from supporters who are taking her word for it and that it's happening in 2023.

[James310]

No doubt our intention to hold a referendum in our own country will be strongly resisted by the Tory government and by their unionist friends in Westminster, but our Scottish parliament have a mandate from the last Scottish election to hold an independence referendum within this parliamentary period.

So to answer your question, I think it's a 10 that the referendum in Scotland will happen in 2023.

GGTTH

I admire your faith in politicians. If you are a betting man you can get 5/1 on it happening next year.

[Kato]

This is quite a read. Remember when you've read it it's time to move as the Govt are trying "to get on with the job", whatever that is.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/05/12/world/europe/russian-money-uk-tories.amp.html

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[Col2]

Tory Rachel McLean’s solution to the Cost of Living Crisis is work more hours or find a better paying job…. Next step will be workhouses :fuming:

As always the messaging has turned round to suggest “it’s your fault”

Anderson and Maclean narrative is deliberate and plays to a generation that will deep down agree with some of this.

The lack of any empathy and an ounce of integrity is just jaw dropping.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tory-mp-arrested-suspicion-26990783

The sheer amount of crimes this lot commit.[emoji35]


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[ronaldo7]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-tory-mp-arrested-suspicion-26990783

The sheer amount of crimes this lot commit.[emoji35]


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What, another one.:rolleyes:

7 long years he's been at it, allegedly.

[Hibernia&Alba]

You cannot unilaterally amend an international treaty. This shouldn't be difficult to understand. Tories breaking international law for the sake of the DUP. It's a very dangerous road here.


https://youtu.be/ruSVX9fQ3T8

[donno]

Tory MP now arrested on suspicion of rape!

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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1526576788289331200?t=iXeKbc9Fp8tyX78D7_UEYQ&s=19


More last week's revelations in the New York Times.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Tory MP now arrested on suspicion of rape!

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his name is already out there, part of the parliament group for flags (and heraldry) *wanting butchers aprons outside every school in the UK, just so the kids don't forget they are in oh so great britain, supports the re-introduction of the Death Penalty and consistently votes against bills furthering LGBT rights and scrapping the section 28 act.


*like a German political party used to do in the 30's-40's





Black Isle Media is an interesting site

it's out there elsewhere as well

[Renfrew_Hibby]

his name is already out there, part of the parliament group for flags (and heraldry) *wanting butchers aprons outside every school in the UK, just so the kids don't forget they are in oh so great britain, supports the re-introduction of the Death Penalty and consistently votes against bills furthering LGBT rights and scrapping the section 28 act.


*like a German political party used to do in the 30's-40's





Black Isle Media is an interesting site

it's out there elsewhere as well

Quite high profile, he always struck me as a complete ****

[Bostonhibby]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ArgyleLoz/status/1526628008123146242?t=tnHgyghJxdBJNTAtFBHOHw&s=08

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[hibsbollah]

Andrew Rosindell MP has done some very interesting work for the all party ‘flags and heraldry’ committee. Amazing what they get up to at the HoC.

[Sylar]

It's almost like S1 of Anatomy of a Scandal was a documentary.

[Pretty Boy]

We have somehow managed to sleepwalk into a situation where the very worst people in society have an iron grip on power.

Sociopaths, misogynists, racists, rapists, xenophobes, narcissists and psychopaths.

For years I honestly thought the country would come to it's collective senses but I'm no longer convinced. If there was an election tomorrow this shower would probably win again.

[hibsbollah]

We have somehow managed to sleepwalk into a situation where the very worst people in society have an iron grip on power.

Sociopaths, misogynists, racists, rapists, xenophobes, narcissists and psychopaths.

For years I honestly thought the country would come to it's collective senses but I'm no longer convinced. If there was an election tomorrow this shower would probably win again.

In the absence of any proper political opposition, rent strikes being discussed online. Organised financial disobedience might be the only way to get this Govt to act.

[Bostonhibby]

A picture paintshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220518/83988b1ebf99d5563e563f76df7bc736.jpg

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[Moulin Yarns]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ArgyleLoz/status/1526628008123146242?t=tnHgyghJxdBJNTAtFBHOHw&s=08

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Not so much a three word slogan as a rallying call it seems. 😁

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220518/dcb394a43181227161d1d44971aac887.jpg


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220518/a2eb1997b8719dfc2013bcd001fb70e0.jpg

World beating.


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[Kato]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220518/a2eb1997b8719dfc2013bcd001fb70e0.jpg

World beating.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220518/ad147677199e222373935bcb518b87d8.jpg
It’s all just a bit of a laugh to these weirdos. And to think 1 in 5 Scots votes for them? Frightening.[emoji35]


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[lapsedhibee]

Johnson: Windfall tax on oil and gas companies would be giving in to Putin. :faint:

[SHODAN]

Johnson: Windfall tax on oil and gas companies would be giving in to Putin. :faint:

****.

[Smartie]

Johnson: Windfall tax on oil and gas companies would be giving in to Putin. :faint:

Anyone who even considers voting for this shower at the next election should have their head examined.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://theknittinggoddess.com/product/felt-bear-tories-are-toxic/

Anybody looking for a gift 😉

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1526966654336376833?s=21&t=JEOOu3fDE2ZbsYTexTFABw

Party Marty gets his reward for silence.


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[silverhibee]

Anyone who even considers voting for this shower at the next election should have their head examined.

Or cut off.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61508110

126 people have fines. A bit more detail

https://news.stv.tv/politics/met-police-conclude-partygate-probe-with-126-fines-issued-for-covid-lockdown-breaches

[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61508110

126 people have fines. A bit more detail

https://news.stv.tv/politics/met-police-conclude-partygate-probe-with-126-fines-issued-for-covid-lockdown-breaches

Bit surprised by this tbh


Of the total number of FPNs, 53 were issued to men and 73 were issued to women.

[Stairway 2 7]

So did dafty just get one for the cake

£460,000 ooft for the investigation ooft

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/mhairiblack/status/1526999103615401984?s=21&t=cJM9pU4jFHal_NjLq_7QJA

… the creep of fascism into the UK


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[lapsedhibee]

So did dafty just get one for the cake

Police have told him he's not getting any more. Thought he was looking very chirpy at PMQs yesterday. Much more confident than usual in his incoherent rambling.

[Moulin Yarns]

Bit surprised by this tbh

Aye, that jumped out to me as well.

[grunt]

Scotland Yard's acting deputy commissioner Helen Ball says28 people receive between TWO and FIVE Partygate fines

https://twitter.com/LizzyBuchan/status/1527246529978826755?s=20&t=RbFJBGcissILMtWd3yb5ZA

[Stairway 2 7]

Police have saved him. He'll not walk for cake and will say didn't know he was lying as thought cake during work was OK.

They need to release more details, how did some people get them for other parties and not him

[Just Alf]

BBC News - Channel 4 News didn't do itself any favours, says Nadine Dorries
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61508170

She's admitted publicly that she's breaking the law by sharing her Netflix log-in!

Surely as the minister for culture she should be 100% on the level and not deprive one of the companies she has ministerial responsibilities over from earning legitimate revenue?

[speedy_gonzales]

BBC News - Channel 4 News didn't do itself any favours, says Nadine Dorries
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61508170

She's admitted publicly that she's breaking the law by sharing her Netflix log-in!

Surely as the minister for culture she should be 100% on the level and not deprive one of the companies she has ministerial responsibilities over from earning legitimate revenue?
Is she though?
I subscribe to the premium Netflix subscription.
I get 4(maybe 5) logins. They are all used by family but one is my mum, another is my daughter who is at uni.
I could be wrong, but there's nothing in the T's & C's saying I can't do this.
The issue Netflix currently have is folk sharing the same account login/password.

[Ozyhibby]

Is she though?
I subscribe to the premium Netflix subscription.
I get 4(maybe 5) logins. They are all used by family but one is my mum, another is my daughter who is at uni.
I could be wrong, but there's nothing in the T's & C's saying I can't do this.
The issue Netflix currently have is folk sharing the same account login/password.

Pretty sure the T&C’s say that you all have to reside at same address? My wife’s mum can log in to ours although she never does. Lots of people do it and more power to them but for a govt minister in charge of that very industry to admit it?


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[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/mhairiblack/status/1526999103615401984?s=21&t=cJM9pU4jFHal_NjLq_7QJA

… the creep of fascism into the UK


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A brilliant impassioned speech from her. I just think it’s interesting that in style and content it’s pure Tony Benn, but her natural home is now the SNP, and it’s actually rather laughable imagining her in Scottish Labour, far less in Starmers Party, where local candidates are purged in favour of parachuted in faceless Blairite suit n ties. The SNP have managed to remain a broad church for different ideological opinions among their representatives and retain party discipline at the same time. It’s a neat trick.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Gaun yersel, Hen!


https://youtu.be/YNy_JvKxJG8

[Stairway 2 7]

25862

Bank of England's reasons for inflation although some will overlap

[Hibernia&Alba]

The majority left to sink as Tory donors thrive:


https://youtu.be/IPoDHv-YZgk

[Jack]

A brilliant impassioned speech from her. I just think it’s interesting that in style and content it’s pure Tony Benn, but her natural home is now the SNP, and it’s actually rather laughable imagining her in Scottish Labour, far less in Starmers Party, where local candidates are purged in favour of parachuted in faceless Blairite suit n ties. The SNP have managed to remain a broad church for different ideological opinions among their representatives and retain party discipline at the same time. It’s a neat trick.

It's not just a broad church of politicians they've kept on side. It's a broad band of the electorate as well.

Must be like herding cats!

[Kato]

Johnson knew a month ago he'd only get one fine. Someone at the Met must have told him.


https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1518247719713787905?t=1fop2qcsX9zBvy92-lNL6w&s=19

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[lapsedhibee]

Johnson knew a month ago he'd only get one fine. Someone at the Met must have told him.


I'll be first. A month ago, he must have told someone at the Met.

[hibsbollah]

I'll be first. A month ago, he must have told someone at the Met.

Imagine you’re a civil servant, you go to a lockdown party at #10, the PM pours the drinks and walks round chatting to you and it’s clearly his party, but you get fined for attending and he doesn’t for holding it? And this happens 125 other times while he gets fined ONCE?

The Met aren’t a police force, they’re the Tory stormtroopers.

‘ One Whitehall source pointed out that junior civil servants had received FPNs for going to at least one event which the prime minister not only attended but also gave a speech at.’

[Moulin Yarns]

I have a suspicion that starmer saying he will resign if fined may have influenced the police response to not giving Johnson any further fines. Let's face it, if others at the BYOB garden party were fined then so should he and his wife.

[hibsbollah]

More charm.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/19/dont-let-people-off-if-they-steal-food-in-desperation-minister-tells-police-kit-malthouse

[stu in nottingham]

More charm.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/19/dont-let-people-off-if-they-steal-food-in-desperation-minister-tells-police-kit-malthouse

Early contender for C*** of the Year 2022. :agree:

[stu in nottingham]

Johnson knew a month ago he'd only get one fine. Someone at the Met must have told him.


https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1518247719713787905?t=1fop2qcsX9zBvy92-lNL6w&s=19

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I'll be first. A month ago, he must have told someone at the Met.


Johnson and Gray had a private meeting a month ago to discuss handling of the report.

Do they actually do anything that isn't corrupt any more? They've long since bothered to try and hide the lies and deception. They know they can lie with impunity. These are dangerous times in UK politics. I fear for the future.

https://news.sky.com/story/sue-gray-and-boris-johnson-had-private-meeting-to-discuss-handling-of-partygate-report-sky-news-understands-12617829

[JimBHibees]

https://twitter.com/mhairiblack/status/1526999103615401984?s=21&t=cJM9pU4jFHal_NjLq_7QJA

… the creep of fascism into the UK


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Brilliant speech imo

[ronaldo7]

Brilliant speech imo

She got it spot on, especially when the Tories started squirming.

[Pretty Boy]

Always liked Mhairi Black. She's the kind of radical (relatively speaking) voice that an independent Scotland needs.

There's going to be huge risk that in the desperation for consensus there will be a broad continuation of neoliberalism albeit with more of a social conscience. People like Black are the voices we need to make sure that doesn't happen.

[grunt]

Broken Britain

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTQ4EKtWYAIeQGJ?format=jpg&name=large

[Kato]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-focus-groups-rayner-b2084297.html

Sunak spending tax payers cash on polling about himself in order to improve his image. Seems legit?

[Just Alf]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-focus-groups-rayner-b2084297.html

Sunak spending tax payers cash on polling about himself in order to improve his image. Seems legit?That's totally out of order.. no way is it government related info?


Edit: happy for crunchie etc to put their point forward on why this is a good way of spending our money during this particular financial crisis this way rather than adding it into the pot for those on benefits/using food banks

[Ozyhibby]

That's totally out of order.. no way is it government related info?

They do it all the time. They are sitting on about two years worth of polling on Scottish independence and have lost court cases trying to keep it hidden yet it is still not available. The rules don’t apply to them.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Tories voted out down under Australia election: conservative government voted out after nearly a decade (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/australia-election-conservative-government-voted-out-after-nearly-a-decade/ar-AAXySbx?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f75eaca257b14bd7a9fa427bd5281c7a)


now get them to **** out of Westminster...and Holyrood after independence :)


horrible people :agree:

[James310]

Tories voted out down under Australia election: conservative government voted out after nearly a decade (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/australia-election-conservative-government-voted-out-after-nearly-a-decade/ar-AAXySbx?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f75eaca257b14bd7a9fa427bd5281c7a)


now get them to **** out of Westminster...and Holyrood after independence :)


horrible people :agree:

If they are booted out of Westminster then that means a Labour government, surely that's not great for the SNP? How would that bring independence closer? The Tory's and the SNP are like the old firm, they both feed off each other. Would surely be harder for the SNP attack lines to work on a left of center progressive Labour government than this particular right wing Tory one. (Not that it seem to have made any difference to the polling for Independence)

[Ozyhibby]

If they are booted out of Westminster then that means a Labour government, surely that's not great for the SNP? How would that bring independence closer? The Tory's and the SNP are like the old firm, they both feed off each other. Would surely be harder for the SNP attack lines to work on a left of center progressive Labour government than this particular right wing Tory one. (Not that it seem to have made any difference to the polling for Independence)

SNP came to power in Scotland under a Labour govt in London.
Too many people put too much emphasise on the Tories or Johnson being what drives support for Indy. It’s a crap system that favours the the south of England above all else that drives support for Indy. That won’t change no matter who is in power in London.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Tories voted out down under Australia election: conservative government voted out after nearly a decade (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/australia-election-conservative-government-voted-out-after-nearly-a-decade/ar-AAXySbx?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f75eaca257b14bd7a9fa427bd5281c7a)


now get them to **** out of Westminster...and Holyrood after independence :)


horrible people :agree:


The outgoing government was a coalition!!!!

[Jack]

If they are booted out of Westminster then that means a Labour government, surely that's not great for the SNP? How would that bring independence closer? The Tory's and the SNP are like the old firm, they both feed off each other. Would surely be harder for the SNP attack lines to work on a left of center progressive Labour government than this particular right wing Tory one. (Not that it seem to have made any difference to the polling for Independence)

Huh! In your dreams.

The next, if there ever is one, left of center progressive Labour government it will be too late.

Scotland will be a thriving, established independent county for a long time by then.

[James310]

Huh! In your dreams.

The next, if there ever is one, left of center progressive Labour government it will be too late.

Scotland will be a thriving, established independent county for a long time by then.

When do you think the next referendum will be?

[Jack]

When do you think the next referendum will be?

Why should I know any better than anyone else?

[Skol]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/21/iain-duncan-smith-calls-benefits-rise-in-line-inflation

Blatant lie

[Stairway 2 7]

The referendum will be so close that I would presume that if a labour Westminster government came in before it, then it would be a no vote.

Me not wanting that doesn't change the reality of another tory win helps independence.

It's undecideds that is the game 40% either way won't budge. Alot of labour voters to be won and many would want to give a labour Westminster a chance, thinking they are daft doesn't change the fact

[cabbageandribs1875]

it's widespread in the vile Tory party i'm not sure if this is a new one or not :rolleyes: Top Tory MP faces drink spiking claims as victim 'woke up to find nipples being licked' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/top-tory-mp-faces-drink-27030008)

A senior Tory MP is caught up in allegations swirling around Westminster that he plied four victims with date-rape drugs.
It is claimed the man used the substance on a fellow Conservative MP, who awoke to find his nipples being licked.


It is also said a Labour MP was abused after the man administered the drug to him – while the flatmate of another Tory MP claimed to friends he had a similar experience.
A fourth man also claimed he had rebuffed his advances, and had suspicions his drink was spiked.
A source said: “The name of this alleged attacker is being spoken about openly among Conservative MPs.

[Smartie]

It depends on the type of Labour government.

If it’s the type of centre right Labour government that England might actually vote in then that should be a gift to the SNP.

If it was a “proper” Labour government (that would very much be up against ever being voted in) then that would be a different story.

[grunt]

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-23/exclusive-pm-pictured-drinking-at-downing-street-party-during-lockdown


Prime Minister Boris Johnson pictured drinking at Downing Street party during lockdown

https://images.ctfassets.net/pjshm78m9jt4/2UU2tZ8EatrAzstnhbFhq2/08793a674f69c845e2b304c4043567ff/GFXV_BREAD_SHOT2__0-00-00-00_.jpg?fm=webp&fit=fill&w=830&h=467&q=80

[Northernhibee]

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-23/exclusive-pm-pictured-drinking-at-downing-street-party-during-lockdown



https://images.ctfassets.net/pjshm78m9jt4/2UU2tZ8EatrAzstnhbFhq2/08793a674f69c845e2b304c4043567ff/GFXV_BREAD_SHOT2__0-00-00-00_.jpg?fm=webp&fit=fill&w=830&h=467&q=80

Needs to be resignations in the MET as well as government.

[G15 Hibs]

Needs to be resignations in the MET as well as government.

There might be, but none of the resignations will be Boris Johnson's.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220523/a9873f605c5609297aef29507bd56784.jpg

I’m struggling to keep up with all his different positions on this?


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[Scorrie]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220523/a9873f605c5609297aef29507bd56784.jpg

I’m struggling to keep up with all his different positions on this?


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He’s got more positions than the Kuma Satra so he has

[cabbageandribs1875]

Imran Ahmad Khan: Ex-MP jailed for sex assault on teenage boy - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-61549531)


don't enjoy yer stay too much Tory ***t

A former Conservative MP has been jailed for 18 months following his conviction for sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy.


At a trial last month, Imran Ahmad Khan, 48, who was elected as Wakefield MP in 2019, was found guilty of groping the boy at a party in 2008. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-61026348)


Khan was expelled by the Conservative party following his conviction and later stood down as an MP (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-61312443).


The judge said he did not accept Khan had "any remorse" for what he had done.

[ronaldo7]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220523/a9873f605c5609297aef29507bd56784.jpg

I’m struggling to keep up with all his different positions on this?


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How do you u turn, on a u turn which you said you never made?

[McSwanky]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220523/a9873f605c5609297aef29507bd56784.jpg

I’m struggling to keep up with all his different positions on this?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkPoor wee laddie just can't help tying himself in knots.

[Just Alf]

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-23/exclusive-pm-pictured-drinking-at-downing-street-party-during-lockdown



https://images.ctfassets.net/pjshm78m9jt4/2UU2tZ8EatrAzstnhbFhq2/08793a674f69c845e2b304c4043567ff/GFXV_BREAD_SHOT2__0-00-00-00_.jpg?fm=webp&fit=fill&w=830&h=467&q=80If I was one of the staff who's been fined for attending this particular party I think I'd be sticking in an appeal!

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220523/481cfa5ef59448e35269debc131e57b5.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220523/1e305b17dd704c7d7664b17c2414e4b7.jpg


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[Jonnyboy]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220523/a9873f605c5609297aef29507bd56784.jpg

I’m struggling to keep up with all his different positions on this?


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Flip flop Ross

[hibsbollah]

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-23/exclusive-pm-pictured-drinking-at-downing-street-party-during-lockdown



https://images.ctfassets.net/pjshm78m9jt4/2UU2tZ8EatrAzstnhbFhq2/08793a674f69c845e2b304c4043567ff/GFXV_BREAD_SHOT2__0-00-00-00_.jpg?fm=webp&fit=fill&w=830&h=467&q=80

It really doesn’t get any clearer than that. In normal times it’s a straight resigning issue for breaching the ministerial code and lying in the HoC.

[Ozyhibby]

It really doesn’t get any clearer than that. In normal times it’s a straight resigning issue for breaching the ministerial code and lying in the HoC.

Except we don’t have any procedure to get rid of him. There is no written constitution. The system is built on customs and has no way of dealing with a party who has a majority deciding to ignore those customs. He can do as he likes now.


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[JimBHibees]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220523/a9873f605c5609297aef29507bd56784.jpg

I’m struggling to keep up with all his different positions on this?


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Dougie showing his strong jellyfish leadership qualities :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Except we don’t have any procedure to get rid of him. There is no written constitution. The system is built on customs and has no way of dealing with a party who has a majority deciding to ignore those customs. He can do as he likes now.


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Above that, we do have a rule of law which is supposed to hold them to account. But the gatekeepers of that law are the Metropolitan police.

[Moulin Yarns]

If I was one of the staff who's been fined for attending this particular party I think I'd be sticking in an appeal!

I think that's who took and published the picture 😉

[SHODAN]

Johnson is showing just how farcical and unchecked our governmental system is and it is ****ing amazing.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Teflon Johnson...it's sickening what the Tory party has done to politics in the UK

Partygate: Insiders tell of packed No 10 lockdown parties - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61566410)

Insiders who attended events at Downing Street during lockdown have told the BBC how staff crowded together, sat on each other's laps and how party debris was left out overnight.

For the first time, insiders who were at some of the events have told BBC Panorama in detail what they saw.


They describe arriving for work the morning after a get-together to find bottles lying around parts of the building, bins overflowing with rubbish and empties left on the table.


They also tell of events with dozens of staff crowded together, and parties going so late that, on occasion, some ended up staying in Downing Street all night.


And they say staff mocked others who tried to stop what was going on.

[grunt]

They describe arriving for work the morning after a get-together to find bottles lying around parts of the building, bins overflowing with rubbish and empties left on the table.
The cleaning staff should all be sacked, clearly.

[Moulin Yarns]

The cleaning staff should all be sacked, clearly.

They are waiting for the flight to Rwanda!

[ronaldo7]

Why was it ok to have a send off for someone changing jobs, but not for someone who died.

Answers to the PM, on a large postcard.

[grunt]

Led by donkeys


https://youtu.be/y9g_DiHL1cM

[grunt]

Has the BBC finally woken up?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61566410


For the first time, insiders who were at some of the events have told BBC Panorama in detail what they saw. They describe arriving for work the morning after a get-together to find bottles lying around parts of the building, bins overflowing with rubbish and empties left on the table. They also tell of events with dozens of staff crowded together, and parties going so late that, on occasion, some ended up staying in Downing Street all night.

[Just Alf]

Boris Johnson enters another period of difficulty after being found out yet again to have clearly been lying to Westminster and us, the British public, what's his greatest achievement been that should mean "we" keep him in a job?......

[grunt]

Boris Johnson enters another period of difficulty after being found out yet again to have clearly been lying to Westminster and us, the British public, what's his greatest achievement been that should mean "we" keep him in a job?......Ha! Beat me to it.

[James310]

Boris Johnson enters another period of difficulty after being found out yet again to have clearly been lying to Westminster and us, the British public, what's his greatest achievement been that should mean "we" keep him in a job?......

None, he should never have been elected as PM and has been awful. He should resign and that would be his greatest achievement.

[Just Alf]

None, he should never have been elected as PM and has been awful. He should resign and that would be his greatest achievement.I like you're thinking... we agree! :greengrin

However, of the things he's done... anything in particular?

[grunt]

This, from Rachel Clarke, is something to think about.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/24/boris-johnson-party-nhs-doctors-covid-rules?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


They were partying, to be clear, on the day Britain’s Covid death toll topped 52,800 (https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths). Another 438 deaths added to the tally just hours before the revelry started. With the country yet again in lockdown, Covid felt old, so grim, and so much harder this time round. Still, you gritted your teeth and did what you must. Because, honestly, who in their right mind would want to risk infecting and killing others?


As Boris raised his glass and chortled, more than 60,000 of us still lived, still breathed, who, three months later, would be dead.

[James310]

I like you're thinking... we agree! :greengrin

However, of the things he's done... anything in particular?

The only thing I can think of was the vaccine rollout and the military support for Ukraine. But he is unfit to be PM and he should still resign.

[Jack]

Has the BBC finally woken up?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61566410

Nah, BBC Panorama has always been a bit off script.

That and Have I Got News For You are about the only programs on the BBC that get close to the truth - or at least not lying.

[Col2]

I think he is close to going.

He won’t resign but the pictures, the Sue Gray report, panorama and people coming out telling stories as they feel thrown under the bus.

He must be close to the edge now?

Next 24-48 hours crucial.

[lapsedhibee]

Nah, BBC Panorama has always been a bit off script.

So far, 15 mins in, it's mostly Kuenssberg gushing about Johnson.

[lapsedhibee]

Now Duncan Smith comparing Johnson to Muhammad Ali. FFS.

[Col2]

Laura Kuensberg trying so so hard to give balance to the lying, corrupt, disgrace of a human being Johnson.

[lapsedhibee]

Laura Kuensberg trying so so hard to give balance to the lying, corrupt, disgrace of a human being Johnson.

Ros Atkins would have done that whole programme in 7 or 8 minutes, losing nothing but the other 52 or 53 of the smitten schoolgirl wittering.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Influential Tory MP shares NHS poster after Boris Johnson partygate photos emerge (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/influential-tory-mp-shares-nhs-poster-after-boris-johnson-partygate-photos-emerge/ar-AAXDDaN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=99c10bd1aea049c2aa8ae273b5108c49#image=1)


It comes after Baker previously called for Johnson to quit over the events of partygate in April by telling the Commons: “The prime minister now should be long gone. Really, the prime minister should just know the gig’s up.”
Baker, who is deputy leader of the Tories’ Covid Recovery Group, said he found that he could not “forgive” Mr Johnson for “not obeying the letter and spirit” of the law.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAXE9LH.img?h=1080&w=1920&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh look, another distraction from partygate


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/283804333_4577935108972785_4288209377154627996_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=a0ckDcrpiUgAX-11RiP&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-WX1p9n6MmzOrYpkvgmFxvMWju9mp4vSOiNNGRIKFEzw&oe=62924510

[Lendo]

oh look, another distraction from partygate


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/283804333_4577935108972785_4288209377154627996_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=a0ckDcrpiUgAX-11RiP&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-WX1p9n6MmzOrYpkvgmFxvMWju9mp4vSOiNNGRIKFEzw&oe=62924510


Wouldn’t be surprised if we end up sending troops in to Ukraine just to buy the man another 5 minutes in office

[Radium]

oh look, another distraction from partygate


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/283804333_4577935108972785_4288209377154627996_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=a0ckDcrpiUgAX-11RiP&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-WX1p9n6MmzOrYpkvgmFxvMWju9mp4vSOiNNGRIKFEzw&oe=62924510

Just shows how vicious the internal fighting over the leadership is amongst Conservatives. Rory Stewart has talked about how Gove, Sunak and others simply turned on him when it seemed he had a chance of beating Johnson. Think it was George Osbourne (not known for his sagacity) who said recently that as nobody really wants to go for the leadership so Boris is safe. Took a stalking horse to get Thatcher out. This will be others clearing the field


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[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/24/grant-shapps-philosopher-no-indefensible-position-wont-defend-boris-johnson

John Crace on Grant Shapps, ‘the finest mind of this generation of half-wits’.

[Kato]

The only thing I can think of was the vaccine rollout and the military support for Ukraine. But he is unfit to be PM and he should still resign.Both things you mention are about it. Both involve the liberal spending or our dosh. They are bereft of positive ideas or a plan to take the UK forward. Everything is reactive. Under Thatcher, who had a plan, the complaints came in the shape of asking for more jobs. Now the plea for more benefits is repeated day-to-day without any questioning as to why it has to be this way. They came to power on lie and therefore can only ever be lying, their yearning to go back to the days of brexit division is palpable. So they bring it up with fictional new battles to fight as they thrive on the emotive rather than the practical.

40 new hospitals? A Nuclear power plant every year? This lot would toil to make them out of lego.

Meanwhile the siphoning of cash towards the rich churns away in the background.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Tories are not liars, they just don't cooperate with the metropolitan police by not responding to the questionnaire!!!


A source at the @metpoliceuk says the reason why junior Downing Street staff got fined, while senior figures didn't is that the senior people failed to answer the questionnaire.
So non-cooperation gets you off.
I'll remember that next time I'm arrested for protesting.

[grunt]

Pretty much a wet blanket of a report. Very weak conclusions IMO. Not going to bring Johnson down.
Pretty photos though.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1078404/2022-05-25_FINAL_FINDINGS_OF_SECOND_PERMANENT_SECRETARY_IN TO_ALLEGED_GATHERINGS.pdf

Edit to add.. While I think the conclusions are politically worded and weak, some of the detail about individual "works events" will be potentially damaging. People leaving at 4:20am following parties ....

[stokesmessiah]

Pretty much a wet blanket of a report. Very weak conclusions IMO. Not going to bring Johnson down.
Pretty photos though.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1078404/2022-05-25_FINAL_FINDINGS_OF_SECOND_PERMANENT_SECRETARY_IN TO_ALLEGED_GATHERINGS.pdf

It’s a total and utter cop out…and it’s been edited following the event as well.

[grunt]

Finding number 2



Whatever the initial intent, what took place at many of these gatherings and the way in which they developed was not in line with Covid guidance at the time. Even allowing for the extraordinary pressures officials and advisers were under, the factual findings of this report illustrate some attitudes and behaviours inconsistent with that guidance. It is also clear, from the outcome of the police investigation, that a large number of individuals (83) who attended these events breached Covid regulations and therefore Covid guidance.



Johnson in Parliament - "all guidance was followed".

[Ozyhibby]

It’s a total and utter cop out…and it’s been edited following the event as well.

There is nothing wrong with the report. There is enough info in there for multiple people to lose their jobs in a normal situation.


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[Just_Jimmy]

He's ****ing delusional. They're just taking the piss. They're laughing at us.

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[Bostonhibby]

It must have been very difficult for Bozo, telling folk what they should and shouldn't do live on TV then going off doing what the **** he and his chums fancy straight after.

It's almost as if they are somehow entitled.

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[Northernhibee]

Hideous, vile performance from Johnson at PMQs today.

[ElginHibbie]

Hideous, vile performance from Johnson at PMQs today.

Just another Wednesday then

[hibsbollah]

the UK is no more a democracy than Hungary or Egypt or any of these countries who have lost track of what the rule of law means. Utterly shameful. We should be out in the streets. But then again, even thats illegal if excessive noise is used while doing it.

[Bostonhibby]

Hideous, vile performance from Johnson at PMQs today.The right blend of contempt and arrogance that they're taught at Eton and a bit of jingoistic nationalism thrown in will see them through.

Actual opposition might help as well in the long run but Bozo is in touching distance of the jubilee so a decent fanfare from the media on this should see the masses " move on" from folk dying while him and his chums partied.

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[SteveHFC]

Boris really has to resign. If not It's a disgrace.

[Since90+2]

Boris is genuinely a danger to democracy in this country.

[Bostonhibby]

Boris really has to resign. If not It's a disgrace.No moral compass, never resigns is only every sacked, it's really down to the UK equivalent of the oligarchs who pull the strings to decide if he's going to cost them the next election or not and pull the trigger.

I suspect that, looking at the ministers around him,, he will be staying.

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[Since90+2]

No moral compass, never resigns is only every sacked, it's really down to the UK equivalent of the oligarchs who pull the strings to decide if he's going to cost them the next election or not and pull the trigger.

I suspect that, looking at the ministers around him,, he will be staying.

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He'll stay on for the next wee while, allow him to soak up all the negatively around partygate and the cost of living crisis caused by Brexit, Tory MPs will then vote in a new leader, probably Sunak, about 3 months before a general election and sell it as moving on from Boris ect.

They have no moral compass whatsoever. Any idiot can see Boris should not be leading the country but Tory MPs would rather pickup their paycheck than do what's right and proper for their constituents.

[stu in nottingham]

Expect a diversionary story very soon, maybe even tomorrow. Energy prices relief or similar of that ilk.

[Bostonhibby]

Expect a diversionary story very soon, maybe even tomorrow. Energy prices relief or similar of that ilk.If theres any cash left, target it at the traditional nasty party base plus any red wallers who still think Bozo and the gang will chase all the "foreigners" away whilst simultaneously saving £350m a week from the EU to give directly to the NHS.

That'll help them limp on for a few more months but the country will need to either ramp up its production of union Jack's dramatically or import more from China to keep the momentum going.



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[SHODAN]

Office of PM and the democratic system in this country is broken and Johnson just so happens to be the first one who has decided to test it.

It's a losing game trying to fix democracy in the UK.

[Northernhibee]

One minute he's saying he's humbled and sorry for everything, the next he's calling the LOTO "Sir Beer Korma" and calling for him to resign.

Utterly pathetic.

[overdrive]

With the references to parties taking place whilst the press conferences were going on, I wonder if Whitty and Vallance saw anything and, if so, did they turn a blind eye?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Sky News Politics on Twitter: "'Did you lie at the despatch box, prime minister?' Our deputy political editor @SamCoatesSky has been outside Downing Street asking the prime minister and his cabinet about partygate https://t.co/Wx6yts2ZIX" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1529121794723962880)

sky news

'did you lie at the despatch box, prime minister?'

[degenerated]

One minute he's saying he's humbled and sorry for everything, the next he's calling the LOTO "Sir Beer Korma" and calling for him to resign.

Utterly pathetic.The man is a complete erse and should be nowhere near that job. 25870

[cabbageandribs1875]

Good Law Project ain't giving up, i give them a donation every few months



The Metropolitan Police investigated the various gatherings - we use a neutral expression - around 10 Downing Street during the pandemic lockdown by sending questionnaires to suspected attendees.
Our interest is in three such gatherings:


On 13 November 2020, a gathering in No. 10 on the departure of a special adviser (understood to be the former Downing Street Director of Communications)
On 17 December 2020, a gathering in the Cabinet Office on the departure of a senior Cabinet Office official (understood to be a defence advisor)
On 14 January 2021, a gathering at No. 10 on the departure of two No. 10 private secretaries.

Together, these are known as the “Three Gatherings”.
It is reported that the Prime Minister did not receive questionnaires in respect of the Three Gatherings despite evidence that he attended them. Other attendees did receive questionnaires. We do not understand the decision to investigate some attendees but not the Prime Minister.


Attendees at the Three Gatherings who received questionnaires were fined for attending them. We do not understand the decision to fine some attendees but not the Prime Minister. As we understand the law, if a gathering was prohibited it follows that all who participated in it committed an offence.
We can see no basis for holding junior civil servants to a higher standard than the Prime Minister. And that is why we - former senior police officer Lord Brian Paddick and Good Law Project - have taken the first formal step (https://actions.goodlawproject.org/r?u=SmZaWiZqFW3YDIgBZi-Lr93nyrkDkunS7Yv6JL7dAPo&e=ad37ebbb863cb7204b923f0ff5e8ac1a&utm_source=glp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=no_10_gatherings&n=3) in further judicial review proceedings against the Metropolitan Police.
We invite the Met to confirm it will rectify its failures to investigate the Prime Minister’s participation in the Three Gatherings, or provide us with its reasons so we can assess the lawfulness of its refusal. Unless it does, and we have given it 14 days to comply, we will begin further judicial review proceedings.

Lord Paddick: “If the Met is to avoid further deterioration in public trust and confidence, they must explain why they failed to even question the Prime Minister about his attendance at these events. We are simply asking the Met to either explain or investigate further, and if necessary we will ask the Courts to force the Met to do so.”


It was only after Good Law Project began judicial review proceedings in January that the Met agreed to investigate at all. And we will not hesitate to commence further proceedings to ensure it investigates them properly.
For the rule of law to operate it must operate fairly, without favour to the powerful. We will do what we can to ensure it does.
Thank you,

Jo Maugham - Good Law Project

2022.05.25 - [redacted] - Pre-Action Protocol letter.pdf - Google Drive (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CwpdJlVcqI8xBwRCI7Eu7CHkfimeHKu4/view)

[cabbageandribs1875]

One minute he's saying he's humbled and sorry for everything, the next he's calling the LOTO "Sir Beer Korma" and calling for him to resign.

Utterly pathetic.


i bet that drew a few laughs from the shower of utter ****e around him, he's a funny guy dontcha know

[Sylar]

Resigning isn't enough IMO. But I can't articulate what I'd like to see happen to him and the ****s that surround him, or I'd be arrested.

[Sylar]

Tories are not liars, they just don't cooperate with the metropolitan police by not responding to the questionnaire!!!


A source at the @metpoliceuk says the reason why junior Downing Street staff got fined, while senior figures didn't is that the senior people failed to answer the questionnaire.
So non-cooperation gets you off.
I'll remember that next time I'm arrested for protesting.

Hi George! :wink::greengrin

[Just_Jimmy]

Resigning isn't enough IMO. But I can't articulate what I'd like to see happen to him and the ****s that surround him, or I'd be arrested.Correct. As with other public servants who do so... they should be charged with misconduct in a public office.

I have never understood why it doesn't seem to extend to MPs.

They're criminals the lot of them

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[Moulin Yarns]

Hi George! :wink::greengrin

:greengrin

I only copied his tweet :agree:

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220525/fe99566d4764db1bedfee92d100c095a.jpg
Shocked.[emoji23]


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[BroxburnHibee]

Why is he so desperate to stay in the job? Its not as if he needs the money.

Could it be he's been compromised?

[overdrive]

Why is he so desperate to stay in the job? Its not as if he needs the money.

Could it be he's been compromised?

I don't know about that. There's been rumours of him being broke, particularly around the time about using the donations to do up his flat.

Edit: Your general point still stands though as he could probably earn more (legitimately) being out of office.

[Northernhibee]

I don't know about that. There's been rumours of him being broke, particularly around the time about using the donations to do up his flat.

Edit: Your general point still stands though as he could probably earn more (legitimately) being out of office.

He's a very dangerous mix of unprincipled and thick as mince. He's surrounded by a cabinet of people in the same boat and there's every chance that he's gotten himself into a lot of trouble.

[Just_Jimmy]

He's a very dangerous mix of unprincipled and thick as mince. He's surrounded by a cabinet of people in the same boat and there's every chance that he's gotten himself into a lot of trouble.The most savvy thing he's ever done is convince people he's thick as mince.

Oh how we laughed when he appeared on have I got news...

He's just a nasty two faced ******* with utter disregard for everyone and he knows he can get away with it.

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[Northernhibee]

The most savvy thing he's ever done is convince people he's thick as mince.

Oh how we laughed when he appeared on have I got news...

He's just a nasty two faced ******* with utter disregard for everyone and he knows he can get away with it.

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I think he's convinced people that it's quite an innocent ignorance. People forget the conspiring to have a journalist's ribs broken, the "tank topped bum boys" and the "letterboxes" and remember the gaffes of him dangling from the zip wire and the like.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220525/d2249d39065dd300bc5c9431f9e263f0.jpg

Another change of position from Ross. That’s two in one afternoon. I’m beginning to think he not quite right?


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Petition · Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak broke the law. They have to resign. #Partygate · Change.org (https://www.change.org/p/borisjohnson-and-rishisunak-broke-the-law-they-have-to-resign-partygate?recruiter=154734710&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=76f68fdbd0d5492f9ae39b73a3ee37e7&recruited_by_id=f3b36c30-3fff-11e4-a14d-15fe0ece34e5&utm_content=mit-32994732-10%3Av3)

[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220525/d2249d39065dd300bc5c9431f9e263f0.jpg

Another change of position from Ross. That’s two in one afternoon. I’m beginning to think he not quite right?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWe talking Murray or Douglas here? Either way more faces than a town hall clock.

To think that Bozo's tenure is somehow relevant to events in Ukraine is truly bizarre.

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[Ozyhibby]

We talking Murray or Douglas here? Either way more faces than a town hall clock.

To think that Bozo's tenure is somehow relevant to events in Ukraine is truly bizarre.

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We’ll miss Ross when he’s gone.[emoji23]


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[Kato]

We talking Murray or Douglas here? Either way more faces than a town hall clock.

To think that Bozo's tenure is somehow relevant to events in Ukraine is truly bizarre.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkExactly. Shipping ar.ms abroad has nothing to do with him personally. Any PM could do exactly the same.

It's the same ploy as the "getting on with the Govts vaccine roll-out". It was the NHS rolled out the vaccine. All they did was spend our money on it

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[Bostonhibby]

We’ll miss Ross when he’s gone.[emoji23]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkRoss Murray was one of my favourite ex Linesman, will we ever see his like again?

A true scotchman.

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[Just Alf]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220525/d2249d39065dd300bc5c9431f9e263f0.jpg

Another change of position from Ross. That’s two in one afternoon. I’m beginning to think he not quite right?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe Tories go on and on about changing leader will take months and leave the UK in turmoil during these difficult times... that's ONLY if the Tories put up multiple leadership candidates, they could easily put someone up as interim leader and it's an almost overnight process.

I suppose it all depends on if they want to put their party or the country first?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Marr: Johnson singularly terrible:


https://youtu.be/C7bdgxpprVU

[grunt]

We’ll miss Ross when he’s gone.[emoji23]

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1529520348512894976?s=20&t=lHi_fbYa6UrmXYhVES-uaA


Amusingly, Douglas Ross has somehow managed to end the day with even less credibility than Johnson.

[Hibrandenburg]

He'll stay on for the next wee while, allow him to soak up all the negatively around partygate and the cost of living crisis caused by Brexit, Tory MPs will then vote in a new leader, probably Sunak, about 3 months before a general election and sell it as moving on from Boris ect.

They have no moral compass whatsoever. Any idiot can see Boris should not be leading the country but Tory MPs would rather pickup their paycheck than do what's right and proper for their constituents.England is not ready for a brown skinned PM and those who are are unlikely to vote Tory.

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[Sylar]

If he won’t do the decent thing and resign, he needs to be removed. Interpret that however you wish.

[stu in nottingham]

Expect a diversionary story very soon, maybe even tomorrow. Energy prices relief or similar of that ilk.


If theres any cash left, target it at the traditional nasty party base plus any red wallers who still think Bozo and the gang will chase all the "foreigners" away whilst simultaneously saving £350m a week from the EU to give directly to the NHS.

That'll help them limp on for a few more months but the country will need to either ramp up its production of union Jack's dramatically or import more from China to keep the momentum going.

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Aaaaand there it is:

Energy bill support of £10bn set to be unveiled
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61584546