Tories are still lying *******s

[archie]

You say that as if it didn’t also happen to the UK? The only difference was that they recovered.


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Well if your model is boom and bust I guess they did.

[Ozyhibby]

Well if your model is boom and bust I guess they did.

Bust and bust is the way forward.[emoji106]


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[archie]

Bust and bust is the way forward.[emoji106]


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I am lost for words.

[grunt]

Braverman getting telt in HoC https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1637827525412790274?s=20

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1637740595010478080?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Johnson’s defence over partygate here.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1637754909935140865?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

And what will happen.


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[grunt]

https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1637754909935140865?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

And what will happen.
No debate on what would be the appropriate punishment for lying in Parliament, instead a discussion on what the Tories on the Committee could cobble together to save face all round. This Tory party is despicable.

[cabbageandribs1875]

c'mon Rishi, don't be shy Rishi Sunak Refuses to Commit to Releasing his US Tax Returns – Byline Times (https://bylinetimes.com/2023/03/01/rishi-sunak-refuses-to-commit-to-releasing-his-us-tax-returns/) :I'm waiti:I'm waiti

Rishi Sunak is refusing to commit to releasing details from his US tax returns, as he continues to delay the release of his long-promised financial details.
Sunak held a US green card during the last financial year, meaning he could have been liable to pay significant amounts of tax in the country during that period.
However, when asked if the returns will include details of his US activity, his press secretary replied that: “I’m not going to comment on what we’re going to put in the tax returns”.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Just Alf]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/336696472_918298302727532_5832168758106572755_n.jp g?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=QXCsRUgywkgAX8XNf52&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfCcj1f0Zrhio97Lxhz9WInoAHnJOjh6v3TqG_3qWNv4 4A&oe=641CD6C5Oh ma sides... that made me laugh!

[McD]

https://twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1637740595010478080?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Johnson’s defence over partygate here.


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am I being overly simplistic here? Surely the fact there’s photographic evidence of him being at at least 2 separate parties/get togethers/shindigs means he cannot say he didn’t lie in Parliament? He got a fixed penalty notice for one of them

or it there going to be a magic bullet style defence of ‘yes I was there with a group of people sitting right next to one another but there absolutely wasn’t a gathering of people’?

[Bostonhibby]

am I being overly simplistic here? Surely the fact there’s photographic evidence of him being at at least 2 separate parties/get togethers/shindigs means he cannot say he didn’t lie in Parliament? He got a fixed penalty notice for one of them

or it there going to be a magic bullet style defence of ‘yes I was there with a group of people sitting right next to one another but there absolutely wasn’t a gathering of people’?He's going for the I can do what I like defence, and laugh at you all while I'm doing it.

Entitled chancer defence, it got him to where he is today.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3w/panorama-surviving-the-pay-squeeze

Panorama on Britains wage squeeze.


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[Kato]

The Showadywady of the far right.


https://twitter.com/reformparty_uk/status/1637823891954434057?t=w3-REibZxyh9rFHdFUZujw&s=19


This takes money to get going so you have to wonder whats going down. Trying to sysphon the loons away from the Mother party, just a plain grift?

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[cabbageandribs1875]

brilliant :hilarious ‘I, Boris Johnson, do solemnly declare the truth. Yes, I know this is a first’ (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/i-boris-johnson-do-solemnly-declare-the-truth-yes-i-know-this-is-a-first/ar-AA18RnRf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=32ab65aafb5f4d218e2c8fdf023f132c&ei=235)



now this is a first and that I’ve told a lot of porkies in the past. But I really, really promise that what you’re getting from me this time is the truth as agreed with my advisers. Which might look like lies but are actually the highest form of truth. The truth of untruths. As two negatives equal a positive, so two lies equal the truth. Besides which, nobody thinks I’m a liarI
I , Boris Johnson, do solemnly declare that what is in my dossier (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/20/boris-johnson-partygate-inquiry-conor-burns-harriet-harman) – the dossier which is mine – shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. Let’s hope there isn’t one. Or I’m a goner. Yes, I know this is a first and that I’ve told a lot of porkies in the past. But I really, really promise that what you’re getting from me this time is the truth as agreed with my advisers. Which might look like lies but are actually the highest form of truth. The truth of untruths. As two negatives equal a positive, so two lies equal the truth. Besides which, nobody thinks I’m a liar. Other than anyone who’s ever met me.. Other than anyone who’s ever met me.

[Stairway 2 7]

What a nut job MarK Francois quotes MarK Francois. Dinosaurs at erg don't like the Windsor bill

https://mobile.twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1638149084069412864

[Stairway 2 7]

Boris goes with the defence of I did nothing wrong

https://mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1638145676243599361

[Bostonhibby]

Boris goes with the defence of I did nothing wrong

https://mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1638145676243599361It was either that or conspire with Darius Guppy to have the committee beaten up?

He has previous.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Interesting read on the refugees sent to Rwanda from isreal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-61882542

What happened when Israel sent its refugees to Rwanda

[grunt]

Anyone see Panorama last night?


Surviving the Pay Squeeze


https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3w/panorama-surviving-the-pay-squeeze

[grunt]

Try this one at home, guys.


“Most women have jobs and not careers.”

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/tory-mp-says-expansion-of-free-childcare-is-wrong-policy-345476/

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/21/boris-johnson-lies-standards-committee-partygate?CMP=share_btn_tw

Marina Hyde, bless her.


Johnson, who last told the truth during the Reagan administration – and then only accidentally – has somehow got the government to fund state-of-the-art lawyers to prove he wasn’t aware of parties happening in his own house, attended by his own self, against his own rules, and in at least one case against his own laws, having gone on telly every single night to tell people that compliance to the letter of said rules and laws was a matter of life and death. Please bear this in mind if you tune in to his appearance tomorrow afternoon, along with the question: does our country have a path to dignity? Because this ain’t it.

[grunt]

"Followed the guidance at all times"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr0D9xxWAAEREHw?format=jpg&name=900x900

[grunt]

"Ignore it and it will go away"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr0HXSKXwAEk3-Q?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

"My advisors said it was ok".

Chief advisor:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr0KRSfWcAQVa1c?format=jpg&name=medium

[Kato]

"Ignore it and it will go away"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr0HXSKXwAEk3-Q?format=jpg&name=mediumSeems the norm that they collude to tell lies, same tone comes from Matt Hancock whatsapps - sling the press a line and those journalists who are soft on them go with while those who wish to hold them to account are shouted down.

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[hibsbollah]

"My advisors said it was ok".

Chief advisor:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr0KRSfWcAQVa1c?format=jpg&name=medium

It seems like the Boris administration didn’t really understand the difference between parliamentary private secretaries, who are backbench MPs moving and shaking and acting like a personal gopher and sidekick, as well as an impromptu whip, and a principal private secretary like Mr Case above, who are career civil servants and should have been above party ‘discipline’. It seems incredible that some of these people in Boris’ inner circle were so indiscrete and blindly assumed that the civil service would go along with the ‘omerta’ policy.

Strong and stable.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Stairway 2 7]

Absolute clown car of a party the DUP are

christopherhope
NEW This is hugely significant.

DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson has told the ERG today that the DUP will not rejoin power-sharing in Northern Ireland, Tory MPs say

[Mibbes Aye]

I try and see the best in people generally, honestly.

But I find it near-impossible not to think the DUP are at least partially using the EU issue to avoid their real reluctance for power-sharing. Namely a Sinn Fein first minister sitting at Stormont.

[bringbackbenny]

https://www.nationalworld.com/nationalworldtv/news/watch-partygate-inquiry-live-ex-pm-boris-johnson-faces-mps-over-downing-street-scandal-4074424

[grunt]

Happy days!

I see the guy sitting behind Johnson has his "Traitor" pass clearly visible! :greengrin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr1GjbkX0AIi3sX?format=jpg&name=medium

[hibsbollah]

Johnson now basically accusing Harman of being prejudicial. Top Trump Trope.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Electrified Fence
Electrified Fence
Electrified Fence
Electrified Fence



can we finally change that to Electrified Chair


for him, i'll flick the switch for no fee whatsoever, in fact i'll pay for the privilege

[Chorley Hibee]

I try and see the best in people generally, honestly.

But I find it near-impossible not to think the DUP are at least partially using the EU issue to avoid their real reluctance for power-sharing. Namely a Sinn Fein first minister sitting at Stormont.

They'd do anything to avoid a Sinn Fein first minister.

**** is too kind a word for them.

[Since90+2]

I try and see the best in people generally, honestly.

But I find it near-impossible not to think the DUP are at least partially using the EU issue to avoid their real reluctance for power-sharing. Namely a Sinn Fein first minister sitting at Stormont.

That's exactly why they are doing it

[cabbageandribs1875]

very long answers and repeating himself :hilarious

[Moulin Yarns]

Have to say this is entertaining. On my second glass of wine. 😁

[Ozyhibby]

Have to say this is entertaining. On my second glass of wine. [emoji16]

You got enough wine to take a sip every time he lies?[emoji51][emoji3060]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Have to say this is entertaining. On my second glass of wine. 😁

Are you clarifying yourself as working or having a party ha

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bethrigby/status/1638570417144168451?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

70 Tory mp’s didn’t back Sunak.


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[CropleyWasGod]

https://twitter.com/bethrigby/status/1638570417144168451?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

70 Tory mp’s didn’t back Sunak.


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How many were paired?

[Moulin Yarns]

Are you clarifying yourself as working or having a party ha

Working hard, on necking a bottle, while keeping my distance from my wife. 😉

[Moulin Yarns]

You got enough wine to take a sip every time he lies?[emoji51][emoji3060]


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Did wonder about a drinking game, but I've got to drive home on Friday 😂

[cabbageandribs1875]

FNP bobbled his mind

[Moulin Yarns]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Division_Bell

Seconds out!

[Stairway 2 7]

Working hard, on necking a bottle, while keeping my distance from my wife. 😉

😆 enjoy

[hibsbollah]

I wonder if anyone in his corner really, truly believes this garbage. I completely understand why his acolytes talk themselves into believing him, at least publicly. But deep down they all must know he’s a liar, lying about his lying. I’d like to think if a politician I was supportive of was just out and out lying like this, I would acknowledge the undeniable.

[Just Alf]

I try and see the best in people generally, honestly.

But I find it near-impossible not to think the DUP are at least partially using the EU issue to avoid their real reluctance for power-sharing. Namely a Sinn Fein first minister sitting at Stormont.I have that feeling when I think about them too... deep down they simply want UK rule fully in place, not sure they ever wanted devolution... as it stands they've got exactly what they want.

Sometimes I think hell mend them, start the assembly up again, and they can turn up And take part or not.... problem is the idiots might start up again

[cabbageandribs1875]

ooohh it's getting angry

[Kato]

I have that feeling when I think about them too... deep down they simply want UK rule fully in place, not sure they ever wanted devolution... as it stands they've got exactly what they want.

Sometimes I think hell mend them, start the assembly up again, and they can turn up And take part or not.... problem is the idiots might start up againThat would be against the GFA.

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[Ozyhibby]

That would be against the GFA.

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The current situation must be against it as well? Surely we should be heading to another election by now?
What Sunak achieved today only equals what it replaced. He got it through parliament. Unless he gets Stormont back up and running then it’s next to useless.

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[Bostonhibby]

I wonder if anyone in his corner really, truly believes this garbage. I completely understand why his acolytes talk themselves into believing him, at least publicly. But deep down they all must know he’s a liar, lying about his lying. I’d like to think if a politician I was supportive of was just out and out lying like this, I would acknowledge the undeniable.Pssst, whisper it, Nadine Dorries. If Bozo ate her hamster, she would say the hamster always dreamed about moments like it.

There's plenty Nasties who still worship at the temple of Bozo

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[Kato]

The current situation must be against it as well? Surely we should be heading to another election by now?
What Sunak achieved today only equals what it replaced. He got it through parliament. Unless he gets Stormont back up and running then it’s next to useless.

Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe GFA's legality demands that there be no border controls.

The DUP/ERG's ideology demands that NI have the same as the other constituent parts of the UK and be outside and receive no laws from the EU, ergo they must want border controls.

This won't end well which I suspect is the aim.

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[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1638620489462558721?t=edQaCCYfJ39ugAR7iUywAQ&s=08

250k of legal advice paid for by UK taxpayers and it feels a bit like Bozo has gone off piste again because he believes what he says must be true, his legal adviser Lord Pannick looks a bit panic stricken.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1638620489462558721?t=edQaCCYfJ39ugAR7iUywAQ&s=08

250k of legal advice paid for by UK taxpayers and it feels a bit like Bozo has gone off piste again because he believes what he says must be true, his legal adviser Lord Pannick looks a bit panic stricken.

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Nice work if you can get it because there did not appear to be any legal defence today at all?
The defence seems to be ‘I’m really stupid and didn’t understand my own rules and when I checked the only person I asked was my own spin doctor’.
It was nonsensical. He’ll probably get off with it.


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[Bostonhibby]

Nice work if you can get it because there did not appear to be any legal defence today at all?
The defence seems to be ‘I’m really stupid and didn’t understand my own rules and when I checked the only person I asked was my own spin doctor’.
It was nonsensical. He’ll probably get off with it.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYep, if he was funding it himself, who knows?
Maybe Lord Brownlow (he of the wallpaper and soft furnishings fame) or another Bozo fan club member would have stepped in.

The absence of an actual defence isn't really an issue in the circles Bozo moves in, if they say something often enough so it becomes an alternative truth.

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[Mibbes Aye]

Poor Rishi Sunak. Hounded to release his tax returns and he finally does. But by an incredible coincidence it is at the same time as BoJo’s committee appearance and thus overshadowed.....................

So anyway, it appears that Sunak has earned £4.8m in the last three full tax years and paid just over £1m in tax on it. Which means he has had an effective tax rate of 22%.
TWENTY-****ING TWO ****ING PER CENT!

Also of note is that he only published his taxes due to the United States for the last three years. They are a relatively trivial amount for someone of his wealth.

What he has has not revealed are the taxes on his worldwide income outwith the U.K., nor to whom they were paid, from when he first became an MP - the 2015-2019 period, which includes time as a Government minister.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[hibsbollah]

Lord Greenhouse (sp?) is absolutely hilarious in the ‘defending Boris’ role on Newsnight. It’s as if he’s deliberately trying to do a poor job. An unblinking, barking mad, hutt of a man.

[Kato]

Lord Greenhouse (sp?) is absolutely hilarious in the ‘defending Boris’ role on Newsnight. It’s as if he’s deliberately trying to do a poor job. An unblinking, barking mad, hutt of a man.The kind of patter that appeals to some.

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[Smartie]

Lord Greenhouse (sp?) is absolutely hilarious in the ‘defending Boris’ role on Newsnight. It’s as if he’s deliberately trying to do a poor job. An unblinking, barking mad, hutt of a man.

I thought that was what they were calling him 😂.

Surely that’s not his name?

As you say, it was quite a performance.

[Hibrandenburg]

Either Johnson didn't understand the simple rules that he himself was imposing on the whole country, thus making him unsuitable for any position of leadership.

Or

Johnson is blatantly lying and thus making him unsuitable for any position of leadership.

[hibsbollah]

I thought that was what they were calling him 😂.

Surely that’s not his name?

As you say, it was quite a performance.

I’ve checked, it’s Greenhalgh.
Lord Greenhalgh of Sycophancy, something like that.

[CropleyWasGod]

Poor Rishi Sunak. Hounded to release his tax returns and he finally does. But by an incredible coincidence it is at the same time as BoJo’s committee appearance and thus overshadowed.....................

So anyway, it appears that Sunak has earned £4.8m in the last three full tax years and paid just over £1m in tax on it. Which means he has had an effective tax rate of 22%.
TWENTY-****ING TWO ****ING PER CENT!

Also of note is that he only published his taxes due to the United States for the last three years. They are a relatively trivial amount for someone of his wealth.

What he has has not revealed are the taxes on his worldwide income outwith the U.K., nor to whom they were paid, from when he first became an MP - the 2015-2019 period, which includes time as a Government minister.

I'm not really seeing the issue, despite how social media is spinning it.

1. his overall Income Tax rate is just under 40%, which seems reasonable.

2. his overall Capital Gains Tax rate is just under 20%, which seems reasonable.

[grunt]

I'm not really seeing the issue, despite how social media is spinning it.

1. his overall Income Tax rate is just under 40%, which seems reasonable.

2. his overall Capital Gains Tax rate is just under 20%, which seems reasonable.
I think that the issue is that ordinary folk don't get to have capital gains. And certainly not capital gains amounting to £3.8m in just three years.

Also why should income be taxed at a higher rate - income that we all have to work to obtain, when capital gains are taxed at half the rate? Capital gains which arise from people simply having and sitting on money, not having to work to make the gain?

I'm turning into a socialist.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not really seeing the issue, despite how social media is spinning it.

1. his overall Income Tax rate is just under 40%, which seems reasonable.

2. his overall Capital Gains Tax rate is just under 20%, which seems reasonable.

There is no suggesting that he’s done anything wrong. I think that is the point people are making. Capital gains should be taxed at peoples marginal rate is the point people are making. It’s long been a problem in the UK tax system that the wealthy can structure their affairs in such a way.


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[Ozyhibby]

Either Johnson didn't understand the simple rules that he himself was imposing on the whole country, thus making him unsuitable for any position of leadership.

Or

Johnson is blatantly lying and thus making him unsuitable for any position of leadership.

Yesterday was meaningless really. There was nothing we all didn’t know before. We all know what he did. We all know he is lying. All that matters is the judgement. Anything less than a ten day suspension will be them all having a good laugh at us.


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[CropleyWasGod]

I think that the issue is that ordinary folk don't get to have capital gains. And certainly not capital gains amounting to £3.8m in just three years.

Also why should income be taxed at a higher rate - income that we all have to work to obtain, when capital gains are taxed at half the rate? Capital gains which arise from people simply having and sitting on money, not having to work to make the gain?

I'm turning into a socialist.


There is no suggesting that he’s done anything wrong. I think that is the point people are making. Capital gains should be taxed at peoples marginal rate is the point people are making. It’s long been a problem in the UK tax system that the wealthy can structure their affairs in such a way.


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It was Gordon Brown who reduced CGT rates to 18%. Prior to him, Nigel Lawson had them at the same as marginal IT rates.

Bloody socialists :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

I'm not really seeing the issue, despite how social media is spinning it.

1. his overall Income Tax rate is just under 40%, which seems reasonable.

2. his overall Capital Gains Tax rate is just under 20%, which seems reasonable.

…added to that, I’m sensing a (regrettable) reduction in your average voter’s anger about the whole issue of tax avoidance. When so much of the state’s activities that traditionally formed part of civil society are being eroded, the sense that these activities and utilities need to be protected and paid for also gets forgotten about. Do we even care that much any more? Is it becoming like France where avoiding tax is widely seen as something to be admired, a bit of chutzpah and thumbing your nose at The State?

Back to Sunak, it looks like he came out of yesterday stronger and Johnson weaker.

[Kato]

It was Gordon Brown who reduced CGT rates to 18%. Prior to him, Nigel Lawson had them at the same as marginal IT rates.

Bloody socialists :greengrinYes, a bit of a laugh to think of Gordon Brown as a socialist.

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[Jack]

There is no suggesting that he’s done anything wrong. I think that is the point people are making. Capital gains should be taxed at peoples marginal rate is the point people are making. It’s long been a problem in the UK tax system that the wealthy can structure their affairs in such a way.


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Is there not other income from around the world he hasn't published? I'm sure there is and that's a wrong!

[hibsbollah]

It was Gordon Brown who reduced CGT rates to 18%. Prior to him, Nigel Lawson had them at the same as marginal IT rates.

Bloody socialists :greengrin

…and when pressed this morning, Yvette Cooper refused to confirm the Labour Party is committed to moving towards equalising tax on income and investments. What sort of balance do other western nations have, CWG, do you know?

[JeMeSouviens]

Poor Rishi Sunak. Hounded to release his tax returns and he finally does. But by an incredible coincidence it is at the same time as BoJo’s committee appearance and thus overshadowed.....................

So anyway, it appears that Sunak has earned £4.8m in the last three full tax years and paid just over £1m in tax on it. Which means he has had an effective tax rate of 22%.
TWENTY-****ING TWO ****ING PER CENT!

Also of note is that he only published his taxes due to the United States for the last three years. They are a relatively trivial amount for someone of his wealth.

What he has has not revealed are the taxes on his worldwide income outwith the U.K., nor to whom they were paid, from when he first became an MP - the 2015-2019 period, which includes time as a Government minister.

Actually, mostly unearned. The taxation bit Tories are always keenest to protect. :rolleyes:

[CropleyWasGod]

Is there not other income from around the world he hasn't published? I'm sure there is and that's a wrong!

UK residents are taxed on their worldwide income under UK legislation.

I would have rather Sunak published his entire Returns (as Sturgeon did), rather than a letter from his accountant. That way, uninformed speculation would have been kept to a minimum.

[JeMeSouviens]

UK residents are taxed on their worldwide income under UK legislation.

Unless one is "non-dom" like Rishi's missus.

[Jack]

UK residents are taxed on their worldwide income under UK legislation.

I would have rather Sunak published his entire Returns (as Sturgeon did), rather than a letter from his accountant. That way, uninformed speculation would have been kept to a minimum.

There's speculation about income from the USA (and possibly India) given he has/had a Green Card. If he's liable for tax in the States, you can maybe confirm, that wouldn't show in his UK tax correspondence.

[CropleyWasGod]

There's speculation about income from the USA (and possibly India) given he has/had a Green Card. If he's liable for tax in the States, you can maybe confirm, that wouldn't show in his UK tax correspondence.

It would show in his UK Tax Return, though. There's a separate section for Foreign Income.

[Jack]

It would show in his UK Tax Return, though. There's a separate section for Foreign Income.

Thanks 😊

[JeMeSouviens]

There's speculation about income from the USA (and possibly India) given he has/had a Green Card. If he's liable for tax in the States, you can maybe confirm, that wouldn't show in his UK tax correspondence.

It would be on his returns. There is a UK-US tax treaty so you (mostly) don't have to pay tax in both places on the same income. But, if he's UK resident, I think it'll mostly if not all be paid in the UK and even if not, he'll still need to put it on his tax returns even if he gets a credit for it and doesn't need to pay any more tax.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230323/48f1bf1ec9d559a5e6846c2c1603ee7a.jpg
The reason why Sunak constantly going on about these people crossing the channel.


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[Mibbes Aye]

It was Gordon Brown who reduced CGT rates to 18%. Prior to him, Nigel Lawson had them at the same as marginal IT rates.

Bloody socialists :greengrin

Bit harsh on GB (and I don’t mean calling him a socialist :greengrin).

It was 1998 wasn’t it? I think there were at least two factors at play. Firstly, Blair and Brown had replaced the fear of not getting elected because of their economic record, with being afraid of being one-term only, because of their economic policy. As far as I can recall, there was also the pre-election commitment to not deviate from their opponent’s fiscal policy, either for the first two years or all of a first term. What I can’t remember is whether Major and Clark had committed to reducing it post-GE, which would explain it in itself.

Perhaps more fundamentally, GB was a Chancellor of his time. Apart from the fear of losing in 97 and then in 01, he was also very much alive to the economic outlook for when he felt he would rightfully assume the office of PM. Add to that, the only other Labour government in his adult life had crashed and burned on IMF loans, currency runs and rampant inflation - I think he sought stability and security. Certainly the changes to CGT were seen as promoting long-term investment over short-termism. When you consider that his first few months as shadow Chancellor saw Black Wednesday it’s no surprise he would use fiscal levers to restrict speculative activity.

None of that is to say he was right, 100%. I suspect he didn’t intend the knock-on effect of buy-to-lets restricting entry into the housing market for new buyers. But it gives some context.

[Kato]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230323/48f1bf1ec9d559a5e6846c2c1603ee7a.jpg
The reason why Sunak constantly going on about these people crossing the channel.


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[Ozyhibby]

...or the result of him constantly going on about them...

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The advantage of incumbency. You can shape the nations talking points.


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[grunt]

The advantage of incumbency. You can shape the nations talking points.
Specially if you own the press and the media.

[Mibbes Aye]

I'm not really seeing the issue, despite how social media is spinning it.

1. his overall Income Tax rate is just under 40%, which seems reasonable.

2. his overall Capital Gains Tax rate is just under 20%, which seems reasonable.

And that’s why accountants aren’t bishops :greengrin

(I assume) he hasn’t broken any laws, he would be out his job for starters if so.

But it raises massive flags about morality and probity in public life, given he has failed to provide disclosure for the period prior to 19-20, when he was an MP and a government minister. It also raises questions more widely about the ethics of wealth and its structural inequalities.

[JeMeSouviens]

And that’s why accountants aren’t bishops :greengrin

(I assume) he hasn’t broken any laws, he would be out his job for starters if so.

But it raises massive flags about morality and probity in public life, given he has failed to provide disclosure for the period prior to 19-20, when he was an MP and a government minister. It also raises questions more widely about the ethics of wealth and its structural inequalities.

What a quaint notion. :rolleyes:

[Kato]

And that’s why accountants aren’t bishops :greengrin

(I assume) he hasn’t broken any laws, he would be out his job for starters if so.

But it raises massive flags about morality and probity in public life, given he has failed to provide disclosure for the period prior to 19-20, when he was an MP and a government minister. It also raises questions more widely about the ethics of wealth and its structural inequalities.He more than likely hasn't broken any laws. No need. The laws favouring his ilk were arranged and set-up a few decades back.

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[Mibbes Aye]

What a quaint notion. :rolleyes:

Ah, come on now Ted. A prime minister who broke the law. Who would believe that?

[archie]

Ah, come on now Ted. A prime minister who broke the law. Who would believe that?

That would be an ecumenical matter...

[JeMeSouviens]

These taxes are small, those ones are far away ...

https://i.imgflip.com/414lsd.jpg

[archie]

These taxes are small, those ones are far away ...

https://i.imgflip.com/414lsd.jpg

And the prize for today goes to...

[Mibbes Aye]

He more than likely hasn't broken any laws. No need. The laws favouring his ilk were arranged and set-up a few decades back.

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Found it hard not to read that final sentence in a Clouseau accent :greengrin

”His ilk”
”You mean his elk?”
”Yes, that’s what I said, his ilk”

[archie]

Found it hard not to read that final sentence in a Clouseau accent :greengrin

”His ilk”
”You mean his elk?”
”Yes, that’s what I said, his ilk”
The committee appearance dropped a benumb. A beumb. No a etc. Etc.

[grunt]

But it raises massive flags about morality and probity in public life, given he has failed to provide disclosure for the period prior to 19-20, when he was an MP and a government minister.
Why? There's no requirement on UK politicians to publish their tax returns.

[Ozyhibby]

Why? There's no requirement on UK politicians to publish their tax returns.

To be fair, that’s not what they have done anyway. They have just published a summary each. Sturgeon published her return.


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[Mibbes Aye]

Why? There's no requirement on UK politicians to publish their tax returns.

Given the lack of probity around your party’s financial affairs, I realise this may be uncharted territory for you :greengrin

My personal belief is that if an MP, especially a minister, is paying taxes to a foreign government then it becomes a public interest matter.

[Kato]

Given the lack of probity around your party’s financial affairs, I realise this may be uncharted territory for you :greengrin

My personal belief is that if an MP, especially a minister, is paying taxes to a foreign government then it becomes a public interest matter.Receiving money from a foreign govt, via proxy migrants, hasn't been a problem to anyone so far. Makes me think no one actually cares. If it involves £££millions it just flies right past people's eyes with hardly a shrug.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/24/over-170-ex-ministers-officials-jobs-old-policy-briefs-2017

Tories coining it in now.


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[Andy Bee]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/24/over-170-ex-ministers-officials-jobs-old-policy-briefs-2017

Tories coining it in now.


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They don't even try to hide it. Back in the Summer I passed a new bright red Rolls Royce convertible on the motorway, reg number "Javid" and it was the man himself with family cruising away, not a care in the world. I don't begrudge anyone doing well but have a wee bit humility please when you're in public office. That kind of decadence on show just screams look at me paupers.

[Hibbyradge]

https://twitter.com/Zero_4/status/1639000842480111617?t=JnSNUahlw53wg6I8O8ZfLQ&s=19

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr5vuwvX0AApxe8?format=jpg&name=medium

[hibsbollah]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr5vuwvX0AApxe8?format=jpg&name=medium

Sometimes satire works better than simple explanation:agree:

[JeMeSouviens]

Liked this one too.

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-pd4hacsh41/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/26584/26452/39683132__51529.1679311112.jpg?c=1

[Stairway 2 7]

A sobering thread on the increase of poverty since the tories got in power, 600,000 more kids in poverty than in 2012. If you vote tory not only are you a clown you are also complicit to the hunger and pain of those children

https://mobile.twitter.com/isabe1_tay1or/status/1638969642398937094

isabe1_tay1or
Today’s poverty official statistics show that between April 2021 and March 2022, 14.4 million people were living in poverty in the UK. That figure includes 4.2 million children. These huge numbers were recorded even before the worst of the cost of living crisis hit

[Ozyhibby]

A sobering thread on the increase of poverty since the tories got in power, 600,000 more kids in poverty than in 2012. If you vote tory not only are you a clown you are also complicit to the hunger and pain of those children

https://mobile.twitter.com/isabe1_tay1or/status/1638969642398937094

isabe1_tay1or
Today’s poverty official statistics show that between April 2021 and March 2022, 14.4 million people were living in poverty in the UK. That figure includes 4.2 million children. These huge numbers were recorded even before the worst of the cost of living crisis hit

NS was getting criticised yesterday for keeping those same figures steady in Scotland.


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[Kato]

Truss's disaster capitalist pals rewarded with peerages. An absolute gang.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/liz-truss-resignation-honours-list-major-donor-peerages-2232637


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Scottish Tories left red-faced as media BANNED from Tory spring forum | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23412010.scottish-tories-left-red-faced-media-banned-tory-spring-forum/?ref=ebbn)

A SENIOR Scottish Tory who called the media ban at SNP hustings (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23353232.snp-leadership-hustings-will-closed-press-public/) “disgraceful” has been left humiliated as the Conservatives block journalists from their own spring conference.

Craig Hoy, who serves as the Scottish Conservatives’ deputy chairman and sits in Holyrood (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/holyrood/) as an MSP, slammed the SNP (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/snp/)’s initial media ban from hustings last month as “cowardly”.

Now reporters have been banned from attending the Conservatives’ annual spring conference – with the party billing the event as being focused on “internal training”

[grunt]

MPs for hire ....

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1639689865238306816?s=20

[Bostonhibby]

MPs for hire ....

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1639689865238306816?s=20Maybe the poor mites have mortgages to pay?

Laughing at us, absolutely shameless.

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[Lendo]

MPs for hire ....

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1639689865238306816?s=20

That is some top work by Led By Donkeys.

[overdrive]

MPs for hire ....

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1639689865238306816?s=20

Although I hate them all for doing this, you have to admire the brazen confidence of Hancock. The others at least feign that they have to think what their rate is. Hancock answers instantly with “10,000 Sterling”. He’s obviously used to whoring himself out this type of thing.

[Hibrandenburg]

Did I just hear Michael Gove on Sky News saying that drug taking was completely unacceptable or was my beer spiked last night?

[neil7908]

MPs for hire ....

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1639689865238306816?s=20

They really are laughing at us.

If I want to take on work outside my full time job, I need to gain approval from my employer, who naturally want to know that the role I have agreed contractually to take on won't be impacted. It's highly likely they would not approve this, especially it out involved me going off to South Korea for a few days during agreed working hours.

But if your an MP, who is supposed to work for us - then fill your boots.

[Ozyhibby]

Did I just hear Michael Gove on Sky News saying that drug taking was completely unacceptable or was my beer spiked last night?

Just what we need. One more push and I feel we can finally win this war on drugs. It feels like victory is imminent. [emoji849]


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[Ozyhibby]

Just what we need. One more push and I feel we can finally win this war on drugs. It feels like victory is imminent. [emoji849]


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And the Labour Party are just as bad on this just now. Idiots.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Did I just hear Michael Gove on Sky News saying that drug taking was completely unacceptable or was my beer spiked last night?

Apparently wants to ban nitrous oxide, laughing gas, a legitimate anaesthetic in dentistry, midwifery etc.

[Santa Cruz]

Apparently wants to ban nitrous oxide, laughing gas, a legitimate anaesthetic in dentistry, midwifery etc.


The desired effect is to feel giggly, relaxed, euphoric and distort reality. It can also make people feel anxious, paranoid and dizzy. The effects only last for about two minutes.
The gas works by temporarily preventing oxygen from reaching the blood.

https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/26/nitrous-oxide-set-to-be-banned-in-crackdown-on-anti-social-behaviour-18503459/

Only lookng to ban it for sale and consumption from what I've picked up.

[Bridge hibs]

Apparently wants to ban nitrous oxide, laughing gas, a legitimate anaesthetic in dentistry, midwifery etc.

They better ****ing not or I will be walking around with teeth like Harold Steptoe !! I hate dentists with a passion 😵

[neil7908]

The desired effect is to feel giggly, relaxed, euphoric and distort reality. It can also make people feel anxious, paranoid and dizzy. The effects only last for about two minutes.
The gas works by temporarily preventing oxygen from reaching the blood.

https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/26/nitrous-oxide-set-to-be-banned-in-crackdown-on-anti-social-behaviour-18503459/

Only lookng to ban it for sale and consumption from what I've picked up.

Banned possession now. Because it's worked so well for everything else...

As someone pointed out in the article I read, for the vast, vast majority of people having a criminal record will be much more of a danger to their lives that using laughing gas a few times when they are young.

[Ozyhibby]

Banned possession now. Because it's worked so well for everything else...

As someone pointed out in the article I read, for the vast, vast majority of people having a criminal record will be much more of a danger to their lives that using laughing gas a few times when they are young.

It’s hard to escape the possibility that as a country we are just very stupid.


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[Santa Cruz]

Banned possession now. Because it's worked so well for everything else...

As someone pointed out in the article I read, for the vast, vast majority of people having a criminal record will be much more of a danger to their lives that using laughing gas a few times when they are young.

I'm sure these families would agree with the ban. That was just a quick search, there will no doubt be many more. I'm not arguing against the damage a criminal conviction can cause, I'm pointing out it can cause serious health harm.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-man-left-unable-walk-26370846

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2018-08-16/bristol-woman-left-with-nerve-damage-after-taking-laughing-gas

[Ozyhibby]

I'm sure these families would agree with the ban. That was just a quick search, there will no doubt be many more. I'm not arguing against the damage a criminal conviction can cause, I'm pointing out it can cause serious health harm.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-man-left-unable-walk-26370846

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2018-08-16/bristol-woman-left-with-nerve-damage-after-taking-laughing-gas

It’s definitely not good for you but a ban will do nothing to stop the supply. Will be a nice little earner for organised crime though.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Because making hash stopped anyone taking it, in the real world kids can get drugs in 30 minutes if they want especially with Snapchat being huge. I'm sure the tories know it will do nothing but they've probably seen it polls well after a week of being ripped on crime

[Ozyhibby]

Because making hash stopped anyone taking it, in the real world kids can get drugs in 30 minutes if they want especially with Snapchat being huge. I'm sure the tories know it will do nothing but they've probably seen it polls well after a week of being ripped on crime

Election on the way and everyone gets tough on crime. No actually but rhetorically. I’ve seen this movie a few times no over the years. It’s boring.
They are a dream for criminals though.


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[Kato]

Most of the prohibition laws came in during the early 1920's (when some toff flapper lassie overdosed and caused a huge Leah Betts style scandal in the tabloids).

So, the War On Drugs is 100 years oldish - Hurrah.

If there is a bigger waste of police team I'd like to know about it.

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[Mibbes Aye]

Another way of looking at it, from a sort of Marxist-feminist perspective (and that’s generalising massively) is that those who hold power legitimise or illegitimise different drugs as a means of control and coercion, but also to ensure productivity of the masses. The real question is why some drugs and why not others, and at what times and in what spheres.

Doesn’t have to just be through drugs either, and arguably doesn’t have to be brazenly sinister. One of the cheapest, most effective ways of social control, through reducing anti-social behaviour on public transport, has to have been trying to ensure wi-fi on buses and trains. A population with its focus on a blue screen is a docile population.

[neil7908]

I'm sure these families would agree with the ban. That was just a quick search, there will no doubt be many more. I'm not arguing against the damage a criminal conviction can cause, I'm pointing out it can cause serious health harm.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-man-left-unable-walk-26370846

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2018-08-16/bristol-woman-left-with-nerve-damage-after-taking-laughing-gas

Then we need to ban alcohol, solvents, driving etc.

The morals of it are totally irrelevant. It hasn't worked for any other drug. Why would it work now?

[Jones28]

When America has a more liberal attitude towards something than you do it's probably time for a re-think.

But not with guns obviously. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.socialeurope.eu/suave-sunak-cold-comfort-for-impoverished-britons


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[Mon Dieu4]

Just reading through the government website about their new anti social rules, says they will be testing criminals for drugs like Ecstacy, begs the question, do they serious think anyone out their nut on an Eccie is away robbing old ladies?

[Ozyhibby]

Just reading through the government website about their new anti social rules, says they will be testing criminals for drugs like Ecstacy, begs the question, do they serious think anyone out their nut on an Eccie is away robbing old ladies?

They don’t even think they’ll be doing the testing. It’s just about getting the ‘lock em up and throw away the key’ brigade back inside and thinking about voting Tory.


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[Mon Dieu4]

They don’t even think they’ll be doing the testing. It’s just about getting the ‘lock em up and throw away the key’ brigade back inside and thinking about voting Tory.


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Think you are right, just found it really weird that instead of the likes of alcohol or coke they mentioned Ecstacy and crystal meth with isn't really too much of a thing in the UK anyway

[Bostonhibby]

Think you are right, just found it really weird that instead of the likes of alcohol or coke they mentioned Ecstacy and crystal meth with isn't really too much of a thing in the UK anywayMight end up unintentionally catching a few government ministers if coke was targeted?

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[cabbageandribs1875]

tory voters everywhere in the UK seriously need to waken the **** up, for the love of ****, and the same goes for anyone voting for pro-brexit parties

Carol Vorderman on Twitter: "Thanks @JolyonRubs for unearthing this video showing the man who Liz Truss wants to make into Lord Mark Littlewood. This is corruption. Nothing short of that. Blatant. Sleazy. It should be investigated by police. Including the politicians any donors are introduced to." / Twitter (https://twitter.com/carolvorders/status/1640222926178852864)

[grunt]

The committee stage of the Illegal Migration Bill is about to start (today) in the House of Commons, but MPs debating it still don't have the government's impact assessment.

The Home Office says it will be published "in due course", but that should have been before the law reached parliament.

[grunt]

https://youtu.be/HzvmeDcoXRY

[grunt]

https://youtu.be/UswbkeyGDLU

[grunt]

https://youtu.be/2LQkLazFZmU

[grunt]

https://youtu.be/TUP8pgRji6Y

[Bostonhibby]

https://youtu.be/TUP8pgRji6YJeez, this creep was education secretary, sort of.......[emoji6]

Am guessing properly constructed conversational English maybe isn't his first language?

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23416337.rishi-sunak-hands-third-hereditary-peer-uk-government-role/

Sunak appoints a third peer to a ministerial post. And people still think this is a democracy.[emoji849]


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[Jones28]

People think all these things are ok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2wO7yGdlGU

Young lad still living at home who wants to join the army thinks Sunak has his head screwed on.

We are sleepwalking.

[Kato]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23416337.rishi-sunak-hands-third-hereditary-peer-uk-government-role/

Sunak appoints a third peer to a ministerial post. And people still think this is a democracy.[emoji849]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkShow some respect. Where is your patriotism? He's the Earl of Mintos. All we need is the Duke of Toblerone, Baron Von Marsbar and Viscount Viscounts for us to really (checks notes) "deliver for the British people".

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[hibsbollah]

Mark Littlewood, the boss of the right wing think tank the Institute of Economic Affairs is one of Truss’s four nominations for the slightly shiny hat. I’ve actually met the guy about twenty years ago and did some work with him when he was an extremely pro European Lib Dem, now from what I’m reading he seems to be a rabid Europhobe and is clearly getting a peerage as a kickback for the work he did as a lobbyist and with the deep referendum analytics that showed the Leave campaigns their attack lines. Now parachuted in to play a role in our democratic process. Nominated by a PM who almost ****ed the country in less than 50 days and is widely regarded as a joke and a disgrace.

When you think deeply about this appointment and others, the only conclusion is that the way the British state works is so fundamentally corrupt that until this changes there is no prospect of genuine democracy in the pure sense of the word.

[grunt]

https://youtu.be/goiCxRKtYHM

[Ozyhibby]

Mark Littlewood, the boss of the right wing think tank the Institute of Economic Affairs is one of Truss’s four nominations for the slightly shiny hat. I’ve actually met the guy about twenty years ago and did some work with him when he was an extremely pro European Lib Dem, now from what I’m reading he seems to be a rabid Europhobe and is clearly getting a peerage as a kickback for the work he did as a lobbyist and with the deep referendum analytics that showed the Leave campaigns their attack lines. Now parachuted in to play a role in our democratic process. Nominated by a PM who almost ****ed the country in less than 50 days and is widely regarded as a joke and a disgrace.

When you think deeply about this appointment and others, the only conclusion is that the way the British state works is so fundamentally corrupt that until this changes there is no prospect of genuine democracy in the pure sense of the word.

Are you still against Indy?


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[Kato]

Mark Littlewood, the boss of the right wing think tank the Institute of Economic Affairs is one of Truss’s four nominations for the slightly shiny hat. I’ve actually met the guy about twenty years ago and did some work with him when he was an extremely pro European Lib Dem, now from what I’m reading he seems to be a rabid Europhobe and is clearly getting a peerage as a kickback for the work he did as a lobbyist and with the deep referendum analytics that showed the Leave campaigns their attack lines. Now parachuted in to play a role in our democratic process. Nominated by a PM who almost ****ed the country in less than 50 days and is widely regarded as a joke and a disgrace.

When you think deeply about this appointment and others, the only conclusion is that the way the British state works is so fundamentally corrupt that until this changes there is no prospect of genuine democracy in the pure sense of the word.It's a grift. Pure and simple. The dumbing down of sections of the populace bearing fruit.

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[hibsbollah]

Are you still against Indy?


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I voted for independence in the referendum and would again.

[Ozyhibby]

I voted for independence in the referendum and would again.

Cool, I wasn’t sure. Was a genuine question.[emoji106]


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[hibsbollah]

Cool, I wasn’t sure. Was a genuine question.[emoji106]


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Yep, I supported Labour because im committed to wealth redistribution and a fairer society. I’m not really interested in what spatial geographic level these things are achieved, it’s a secondary issue and I’ll vote on the Independence question based on where we are culturally and politically at that moment in time I suppose.

I moved away from Scotland before there was a Scottish parliament, and returned in 2010, and when I got engaged in politics up here I found that many in Labour were focusing their guns on the Nats more than I thought prudent or logical. It had become more tribal in my absence. When I was engaged in politics in the early 90s in Scotland, the Tories were the common enemy. Maybe that’s why I feel as if the Labour Party and automatic devotion to unionism (in the national sense) isn’t an inevitable natural state.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23416337.rishi-sunak-hands-third-hereditary-peer-uk-government-role/

Sunak appoints a third peer to a ministerial post. And people still think this is a democracy.[emoji849]


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To be fair the quality of elected MPs to choose from is pretty dismal.

[grunt]

Just what is the point of Therese Coffey?


https://youtu.be/ner40T3J6T8

[Kato]

Just what is the point of Therese Coffey?



To enable excess profit for private companies' shareholders.

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[Jones28]

Just what is the point of Therese Coffey?


https://youtu.be/ner40T3J6T8

She makes other conservatives seem competent.

[cabbageandribs1875]

sickening, i mind that utter **** Rabb lying on the beach whilst this was on going kidding on his phone was off whilst human beings were desperate to escape the clutches of the Taliban, ******* should have been sacked immediately by that bare-faced lying **** Johnson

JMcD on Twitter: "https://t.co/IiLORXY6DO" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/jomcd70/status/1639924545099276288?t=Gj4iJmyEhJPVR-iljTiXKQ&s=19&fbclid=IwAR1FfDBrWmjh_vWsuIvx4iFd-Cn9RKtu2HLBnFSpZcZhHjPevqFbUND921M)


#detestable

[hibsbollah]

To enable excess profit for private companies' shareholders.

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You’ll find the Starmer thread further down.

[Bostonhibby]

Just what is the point of Therese Coffey?


https://youtu.be/ner40T3J6T8Useful addition at their many parties and likes a smokers evening?

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[Kato]

Watching Dominic Raab's pan getting redder by the second on GMTV as he's questioned. Not through embarrassment.

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[hibsbollah]

Watching Dominic Raab's pan getting redder by the second on GMTV as he's questioned. Not through embarrassment.

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The throbbing vein in his forehead is concerning. It seems ready to burst out of his cranium at any moment.

[Kato]

The throbbing vein in his forehead is concerning. It seems ready to burst out of his cranium at any moment.I should screenshot the start compared to the end. Visible anger building up.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1641004103680638977?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak filling his pockets with our money.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1641004103680638977?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak filling his pockets with our money.


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Should be big news but we're so used to their profiteering

[WeeRussell]

I should screenshot the start compared to the end. Visible anger building up.

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Currently taking questions in the house. Total prick.

[hibsbollah]

Interesting PMQs. Rayner up first, stumbles on her delivery but came across as incisive if a bit nervous. Raab more assured in his delivery but the actual substance coming out of his mouth was ill conceived. Blaming the delay of rape cases making it to court merely on Covid looked particularly bad. Probably needs a lie down after his hammering in the tv studios earlier. It’s still weird seeing shriveled up little Jambo Ian Murray on the opposition front bench next to the grownups.

[Stairway 2 7]

Paul O'grady on the tories

https://mobile.twitter.com/shockproofbeats/status/1640977624108261385

[cabbageandribs1875]

perfectly understandable an individual who donates to a far-right political party in Germany should also donate to a far-right political party in Britain

Tory private members’ club pockets £50k from alleged far-right German donor - Good Law Project (https://goodlawproject.org/tory-private-members-club-pockets-50k-from-alleged-far-right-german-donor/?utm_source=NB&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NBDARMONFILES290323)

[Mibbes Aye]

This might be one worth keeping an eye on, to see what emerges

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/29/ministers-back-down-over-sensitive-study-into-effects-of-benefits-sanctions

Early sense is that the U.K. government’s own research will say that benefit sanctions don’t work and usually made things worse.

Saying that, I’m sure research could establish that about most if not all of this UKG’s policies...

[Kato]

This might be one worth keeping an eye on, to see what emerges

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/29/ministers-back-down-over-sensitive-study-into-effects-of-benefits-sanctions

Early sense is that the U.K. government’s own research will say that benefit sanctions don’t work and usually made things worse.

Saying that, I’m sure research could establish that about most if not all of this UKG’s policies...It's not working usually = double down. Then say they aren't communicating the message clearly enough or some other such gaslighting.

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[Mibbes Aye]

It's not working usually = double down. Then say they aren't communicating the message clearly enough or some other such gaslighting.

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Tou will love this one then, from one of the loyal lieutenants in the Rishbunker. Seemingly the best way to stop migration is to behave just like a people-smuggling gang.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/29/asylum-seekers-housed-portakabins-maybe-ships-robert-jenrick

I saw Jenrick on TV a few weeks ago. Whilst he looks perfectly affable, 99% of what he said was a cold soup of dog whistles, manufactured moral panics and croutons of loathsome bile.

[cabbageandribs1875]

they're a shower of Gangsters, crooked corrupt immoral Gangsters

Ex-standards chief said Tory MP backed her into corner and warned ‘watch your back’ (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/ex-standards-chief-said-tory-mp-backed-her-into-corner-and-warned-watch-your-back/ar-AA19eACr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=adcc37d2034c47509b17aebee2ad43f9&ei=153)



#Detestabletories part 4538743984290

[cabbageandribs1875]

nice seeing such a low confidence in the press in the UK(13%), and a higher percentage having more confidence in the EU than the UK Parliament

The Policy Institute (@policyatkings) / Twitter (https://twitter.com/policyatkings)

[Ozyhibby]

Tou will love this one then, from one of the loyal lieutenants in the Rishbunker. Seemingly the best way to stop migration is to behave just like a people-smuggling gang.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/29/asylum-seekers-housed-portakabins-maybe-ships-robert-jenrick

I saw Jenrick on TV a few weeks ago. Whilst he looks perfectly affable, 99% of what he said was a cold soup of dog whistles, manufactured moral panics and croutons of loathsome bile.

I think they are doing a good job of deterring educated people from wealthy countries from coming here.[emoji106]


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[neil7908]

nice seeing such a low confidence in the press in the UK(13%), and a higher percentage having more confidence in the EU than the UK Parliament

The Policy Institute (@policyatkings) / Twitter (https://twitter.com/policyatkings)

This is encouraging but I just hope it translates into action. The press are no different to 7 years ago, and yet they still seem to hold an extraordinary sway over politics, including voters who keep buying what they are selling.

[wookie70]

Question Time was actually interesting last night. A majority Tory audience appeared compassionate of Asylum Seekers, wanted social housing built and were scathing of the cuts to social services etc. They were almost mocking the Tory on teh panel and at no point did I think they believed a word he was saying. Fiona Bruce even challenged him a couple of times so she much be fearful of her job after her recent performances. It actually restored my faith in the electorate. Perhaps there is a bit of common sense and compassion left in your average voter

[Ozyhibby]

This is encouraging but I just hope it translates into action. The press are no different to 7 years ago, and yet they still seem to hold an extraordinary sway over politics, including voters who keep buying what they are selling.

I doubt there is a newspaper in the UK that has been making money over the last 10 years and yet they all survive. Shows the value they have to their owners is more than financial.


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[Jack]

I doubt there is a newspaper in the UK that has been making money over the last 10 years and yet they all survive. Shows the value they have to their owners is more than financial.


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I think when considering the value of the media you need to add the revenue they make from their online presence. Income from subscriptions and advertising will go a considerable way to making up for loss from printed publications.

I'd like to see them all going down the tubes but I doubt it will happen.

[archie]

I think when considering the value of the media you need to add the revenue they make from their online presence. Income from subscriptions and advertising will go a considerable way to making up for loss from printed publications.

I'd like to see them all going down the tubes but I doubt it will happen.

Just to be clear, you would like all newspapers to close?

[Jack]

Just to be clear, you would like all newspapers to close?

I don't like the way any of them are run at the moment and I can't see that changing anytime soon. I'd like to see a reset but what I would like is neither here nor there.

The huge and continuing decline in circulation numbers suggests I'm not alone although I'm unsure how online is working out.

[grunt]

I don't know where these figures come from and so cannot vouch for their veracity:


Up to date daily circulation figures in Scotland for Scottish newspapers.

Daily Record - 59,615
Sunday Mail - 56,866
The Herald - 12,928
Herald on Sunday - 6,679
The Scotsman - 8,762
Scotland on Sunday - 4,921
Sunday Post - 35,183
The National - 3,555
Sunday National - 4195

[Stairway 2 7]

I don't like the way any of them are run at the moment and I can't see that changing anytime soon. I'd like to see a reset but what I would like is neither here nor there.

The huge and continuing decline in circulation numbers suggests I'm not alone although I'm unsure how online is working out.

The top online subscriptions are the guardian and FT who have 1 million subscribers. Think the torygraph was about 400k the times 300k and the sun 200k

Big but a fraction of what the newspapers used to sell.

[grunt]

Have you noticed how we needed a referendum to join and leave the EU but the Tories joined us into the CPTPP without even a vote in Parliament?

[Hibrandenburg]

I don't like the way any of them are run at the moment and I can't see that changing anytime soon. I'd like to see a reset but what I would like is neither here nor there.

The huge and continuing decline in circulation numbers suggests I'm not alone although I'm unsure how online is working out.

For the last few days I've had close insight and interaction with the media and to say they as a group are a strange bunch is a massive understatement. With the exception of a very small group of individuals I've never had the displeasure of working with such an obnoxious, egotistical, moaning faced and greedy bunch of ******s in my life. The problems are not just at the top of the media branch, it filters down like diarrhoea all the way to the bottom.

[hibsbollah]

Just to be clear, you would like all newspapers to close?

I don’t think that’s a question with any value, since it clearly isn’t going to happen and Jack has no power to make it so.

A better question is does the media contribute positively to our national culture? My pseudo Marxist take is that it’s a device to keep the rich and powerful in power by limiting the parameters of debate and dumbing down culture. Consumption over the internet means content is ever more hysterical and divisive because the psycho analytics show that’s what people click on. They would argue they are just reflecting what the public want.

[archie]

I don’t think that’s a question with any value, since it clearly isn’t going to happen and Jack has no power to make it so.

A better question is does the media contribute positively to our national culture? My pseudo Marxist take is that it’s a device to keep the rich and powerful in power by limiting the parameters of debate and dumbing down culture. They would argue they are just reflecting what the public want.
Well thanks for the critique!

[hibsbollah]

Well thanks for the critique!

Apologies, late edit. I had a deadline for my editor :greengrin

[grunt]

"Integrity, professionalism and accountability"?

Or

"April fools"?

You decide.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FslH427WYAE0NwC?format=jpg&name=900x900

[hibsbollah]

Led By Donkeys 5 parter on YouTube on MPs for hire. Kwateng and Hancock are still representing their constituents after this and seem totally unrepentant.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HzvmeDcoXRY

[Kato]

Nazi chat.

https://twitter.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/1642430858463260673?t=1PFW5SKjdzb-RoEHpuco6g&s=19

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[hibsbollah]

Nazi chat.

https://twitter.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/1642430858463260673?t=1PFW5SKjdzb-RoEHpuco6g&s=19

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It’s what decent teachers warned us about in modern studies.

https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/erasmus-plus/project-result-content/3a1f33a0-e094-45fd-a7f0-0d5fe29f8d5e/STAGES%20OF%20THE%20HOLOCAUST.pdf

Modi playing a very similar game in India, interestingly. “All those <insert ethnic group to demonise> are all after raping your women” has been a fascist trope since, well, ever.

The only difference between her and Goebbels messaging on this is that his Reich Ministry of Enlightenment and Propaganda hadn’t just released a study making clear child grooming and exploitation is on the rise across ALL groups and ethnicity is unimportant to the debate, as the Home Office has done.

[hibsbollah]

I’m delighted Starmer is making this exact point about it not being an ethnicity issue, on LBC now.

[Kato]

It’s what decent teachers warned us about in modern studies.

https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/erasmus-plus/project-result-content/3a1f33a0-e094-45fd-a7f0-0d5fe29f8d5e/STAGES%20OF%20THE%20HOLOCAUST.pdf

Modi playing a very similar game in India, interestingly. “All those <insert ethnic group to demonise> are all after raping your women” has been a fascist trope since, well, ever.

The only difference between her and Goebbels messaging on this is that his Reich Ministry of Enlightenment and Propaganda hadn’t just released a study making clear child grooming and exploitation is on the rise across ALL groups and ethnicity is unimportant to the debate, as the Home Office has done.Yeah, it's not a race problem, it's a problem with men.

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[hibsbollah]

Yeah, it's not a race problem, it's a problem with men.

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There seems to be a particular problem with white British men trying to get their hands on young Ukrainian women these days from what I can see. Certainly lots of online advertising to that effect.

[Kato]

Snide

https://twitter.com/carolvorders/status/1642879704787984385?t=7vd2mXU0oVdMT9FvV5PCAw&s=19

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[Jack]

Snide

https://twitter.com/carolvorders/status/1642879704787984385?t=7vd2mXU0oVdMT9FvV5PCAw&s=19

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It's not just them on twitter. I noticed an English local Councillor had been in some sort of scandal last week. I can't remember if it was sex or money.

There was no mention in the original article which party he was a member of and pages of Google searching didn't bring it up either; plenty on him just no party mentioned which I thought was odd. I ended up searching for his election result on the Council website. You'll never guess what? He was a tory!

If similar is happening elsewhere in the media it would suggest something much more sinister than a few MPs being less than transparent.

[grunt]

Liz Truss

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fs2vRKqWYAI0VBR?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bostonhibby]

It's not just them on twitter. I noticed an English local Councillor had been in some sort of scandal last week. I can't remember if it was sex or money.

There was no mention in the original article which party he was a member of and pages of Google searching didn't bring it up either; plenty on him just no party mentioned which I thought was odd. I ended up searching for his election result on the Council website. You'll never guess what? He was a tory!

If similar is happening elsewhere in the media it would suggest something much more sinister than a few MPs being less than transparent.All of the tories standing in our local council elections have no evidence they are standing as Tory candidates in their literature, ones even printed in black and white only whereas previously it was all union Jack's and blue in evidence.

Going to get routed anyway as managed to abstain in a vote to keep the only swimming pool in his own constituency open to stay onside with the tory dominated district councils wishes.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://youtu.be/709umiILhso


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[grunt]

"Legal routes for asylum"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fs3AlqbXwAA_cSf?format=png&name=900x900

[Jones28]

Conservative MP's are now removing any mention of being Conservative MP's from things like Twitter bio's and other Social Media and distributing leaflets that look suspiciously green.

[hibsbollah]

New ID requirements= Deliberate voter suppression of young people.

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/with-just-weeks-to-go-awareness-of-voter-id-remains-worryingly-low/

[cabbageandribs1875]

she's been doing some sterling work in the months since she started ripping into her one time pal Michelle Mone for stealing tax payers money

The National on Twitter: "Carol Vorderman has rounded up a large number of Tory MPs and councillors who do not say which party they represent on their Twitter https://t.co/e6j4BFu9nL" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1643158209874780161)

CAROL Vorderman has rounded up a large number of Tory MPs and councillors who do not say which party they represent on their social media profile after she put out a call for help on Twitter.
The TV presenter, known for her appearances on Countdown, asked her 738,000 followers to screenshot any Conservative (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/tories/) politician who did not mention the party they represented on their social media.
She said: “I WANT YOUR HELP. I’ve noticed a number of Tory MP & councillors removing mention of them being Tories (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/tories/) from their social media profiles.



the Toiraidh's appear to be going a tad Green as well

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrzypEiWwAM6Jnp?format=png&name=small

[grunt]

No coverage of the Tories today for some reason ...

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/04/05/suella-braverman-to-address-radical-national-conservatism-event-with-ties-to-us-right/

Suella Braverman to Address Radical 'National Conservatism' Event With Ties to US Right


The Home Secretary Suella Braverman has been listed as a keynote speaker at a radical right-wing conference tied to Christian Nationalism and the US radical right.

The Conservative Nationalism Conference (NatCon), which is due to take place in London on 13-15 May, is an initiative designed to support the Conservative Nationalism (CN) movement. The group’s Statement of Principles includes demands for nations to be governed on the basis of “humility and gratitude before God and fear of his judgment”, while also backing immigration moratoriums and opposing what it describes as the “grave threat” of “ever more radical forms of sexual license and experimentation as an alternative to the responsibilities of family and congregational life”.

Speakers at previous events have included the Hungarian Prime Minister, and autocrat, Viktor Orban, Governor of Florida Ron DeSantis and Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.

Braverman will join a growing list of Conservative politicians due to speak at the event. Jacob Rees-Mogg MP has been named as a keynote speaker alongside Michael Gove MP, while other speakers include Miriam Cates MP, Danny Kruger MP, Lord David Frost and John Hayes MP, chair of the Common Sense Group of MPs, whose US links have previously been reported on by Byline Times

[Kato]

No coverage of the Tories today for some reason ...

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/04/05/suella-braverman-to-address-radical-national-conservatism-event-with-ties-to-us-right/

Suella Braverman to Address Radical 'National Conservatism' Event With Ties to US RightNormal.

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[grunt]

Tories re-introduce slave ships for migrants

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65193446


Barge to house 500 male migrants off Dorset coast, says government

[Kato]

Tories re-introduce slave ships for migrants

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65193446It was a favourite of the British ruling class in the 18th century, before they thought about shipping people of to Australia.

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[hibsbollah]

Tories re-introduce slave ships for migrants

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65193446

I’m getting Abel Magwitch vibes.

[Kato]

I’m getting Abel Magwitch vibes.Liz Truss as Miss Haversham.

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[hibsbollah]

No coverage of the Tories today for some reason ...

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/04/05/suella-braverman-to-address-radical-national-conservatism-event-with-ties-to-us-right/

Suella Braverman to Address Radical 'National Conservatism' Event With Ties to US Right

I quite fancy it. Good day out.

https://youtu.be/FlMkqUyrSl0

https://nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

[hibsbollah]

Liz Truss as Miss Haversham.

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This could run and run. Who is Starmer? Estella? Mr Pumblechook?

[Kato]

I quite fancy it. Good day out.

https://youtu.be/FlMkqUyrSl0

https://nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/Toby Young! Bloomin' hilarious.

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[Stairway 2 7]

A year later we've still Ukrainians on ships many in rooms with no windows. That and the Tory policy is not on. It all stems from a lack of social housing

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/cruise-ships-in-scotland-inappropriate-for-ukrainian-refugees-says-british-red-cross

Cruise ship homes for Ukrainian refugees ‘inappropriate’ - Red Cross

[grunt]

Another one??

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b1bff0a4-d39f-11ed-b1cd-5223fe349502?shareToken=b9fe35325aa715ae99100e314c bd2b8d


Tory MP offered to table parliamentary questions, leak a confidential policy document and lobby ministers on behalf of gambling industry investors who proposed paying him thousands of pounds a month, an undercover investigation for The Times has found.

Scott Benton, the MP for Blackpool South, was prepared to help an investment fund influence policymakers and obtain “behind the scenes” information despite rules prohibiting MPs from lobbying in return for payment.



Guaranteed he could leak a copy of a forthcoming white paper on gambling reforms to the company at least 48 hours before it went public, potentially allowing them to profit from market-sensitive information.
Offered to submit parliamentary questions and said he had done it on behalf of companies before.
Boasted of his “easy access to ministers” and said he was prepared to “literally sit outside” a minister’s office if the company needed an urgent answer to a question.
Claimed many MPs who accepted corporate hospitality were willing to table a written question or make a point during oral questions in return.
Said he could “call in favours” from colleagues who would be happy to support the company’s interests and offered to host a dinner at the House of Commons.

[Stairway 2 7]

Another one??

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b1bff0a4-d39f-11ed-b1cd-5223fe349502?shareToken=b9fe35325aa715ae99100e314c bd2b8d

Cash for questions returns, hopefully the police do their job

[Kato]

Cash for questions returns, hopefully the police do their jobChances police will be involved are pretty slim. Michelle Mone is on her yacht bought with PPE money laughing while the Sturgeons have their garden dug up.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Jeez tories not removing the whip unbelievable well sort of

Billy Kenber
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Scott Benton appeared willing to break multiple parliamentary rules when he met to discuss a job advising a fake investment fund. But I understand tthe Tories have tonight decided NOT to remove the whip (as Labour are calling for) at this stage
https://thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-mp-scott-benton-lobbying-investigation-ckhzrfqg0

[grunt]

Jeez tories not removing the whip unbelievable well sort of


Why would they? There's no downside to simply ignoring this, it will disappear from the media soon enough.

[Stairway 2 7]

Jeez tories not removing the whip unbelievable well sort of

Billy Kenber
@billykenber
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Scott Benton appeared willing to break multiple parliamentary rules when he met to discuss a job advising a fake investment fund. But I understand tthe Tories have tonight decided NOT to remove the whip (as Labour are calling for) at this stage
https://thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-mp-scott-benton-lobbying-investigation-ckhzrfqg0

Whip now removed but only because he handed himself to the ethics committee, so it's standard to remove

[Bostonhibby]

Whip now removed but only because he handed himself to the ethics committee, so it's standard to removeCaught bang to rights so getting in there first?

Really looking forward to seeing Kwakers, Williamson, Brady and the other snakes who were ambushed recently suffering a similar fate.

Its all gone a bit quiet so won't be holding my breath.

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[grunt]

Wee Douglas Ross tells Scottish Tories to vote Labour in order to beat the SNP and gets his wrist slapped by Tory HQ in London. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Wee Douglas Ross tells Scottish Tories to vote Labour in order to beat the SNP and gets his wrist slapped by Tory HQ in London. :greengrin

A fake wrist slap. It would have all been pre approved.


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[Kato]

A fake wrist slap. It would have all been pre approved.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOf course it is. Splitting the non Tory vote suits their greedy, racist asses down to the ground.

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[grunt]

What's the title of this thread again?
Oh yes, "Tories are still lying *******s"

True enough. Twas ever thus.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtSETh8WYAEQPTc?format=png&name=small

[Stairway 2 7]

Bizarrely this is real. The tories are arguing on whether Rishis plan to lock up immigrant children is a goer

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-small-boats-tories-b2315535.html

[Ozyhibby]

Bizarrely this is real. The tories are arguing on whether Rishis plan to lock up immigrant children is a goer

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-small-boats-tories-b2315535.html

How are Labour going to outdo them on this?


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[Stairway 2 7]

How are Labour going to outdo them on this?


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Are you using kids being imprisoned to point score against Labour? Labour has already said it would end all ideas of Rwanda, which will make a huge difference to real people away from a forum.

Hopefully Labour wins so Rwanda can't happen and tories can't keep travelling down this mental path

[JeMeSouviens]

Are you using kids being imprisoned to point score against Labour? Labour has already said it would end all ideas of Rwanda, which will make a huge difference to real people away from a forum.

Hopefully Labour wins so Rwanda can't happen and tories can't keep travelling down this mental path

Labour's policy on the Rwanda flights thing is obviously good and welcome. However, the fact they refused to oppose it for about 6 weeks, presumably to give them time to run some focus groups, says a lot about what I hate about modern politics (not just Lab). Some things you should just be able to instinctively say ffs about.

[JeMeSouviens]

Of course it is. Splitting the non Tory vote suits their greedy, racist asses down to the ground.

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It's actually an almost clever move (considering its source). There are no Lab-Tory marginals in Scotland, therefore they get to:

- appear more self sacrificingly pro-Union than Lab
- make some Lab voters in the SNP-Tory marginals think about voting for them
- potentially encourage the Yes voters who were thinking about Lab to stay SNP in SNP-Lab marginals, which might cost Lab seats

and all at zero cost to themselves.

[archie]

It's actually an almost clever move (considering its source). There are no Lab-Tory marginals in Scotland, therefore they get to:

- appear more self sacrificingly pro-Union than Lab
- make some Lab voters in the SNP-Tory marginals think about voting for them
- potentially encourage the Yes voters who were thinking about Lab to stay SNP in SNP-Lab marginals, which might cost Lab seats

and all at zero cost to themselves.

Absolutely - it's a complete trap.

[Ozyhibby]

Absolutely - it's a complete trap.

Or Labour have moved so far to the right that the Tories are happy to endorse them.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Labour's policy on the Rwanda flights thing is obviously good and welcome. However, the fact they refused to oppose it for about 6 weeks, presumably to give them time to run some focus groups, says a lot about what I hate about modern politics (not just Lab). Some things you should just be able to instinctively say ffs about.

Starmer said on the day after it was announced it shows a government with no shame and Labour wouldn't send people to Rwanda. I feel Labour are definitely being shockingly quite on immigration for fear of the red wall even in today's news

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/inside-labour-plans-first-100-days-power-bbc-changes-tougher-regulation-2265118

However, it is also understood that Ms Cooper and Sir Keir continue to struggle with a policy to tackle immigration that does not alienate “Red Wall” voters.

It is understood the party’s leadership is minded to expand the system of legal methods for entry into the UK by genuine asylum seekers, but fears such a strategy will be leapt upon by the Conservative Party, which could portray Labour as being weak on immigration

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It is understood the party’s leadership is minded to expand the system of legal methods for entry into the UK by genuine asylum seekers, but fears such a strategy will be leapt upon by the Conservative Party, which could portray Labour as being weak on immigration
You mean "create one".

[Kato]

Or Labour have moved so far to the right that the Tories are happy to endorse them.


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Manager Thatcher did say her greatest ever achievement was Tony Blair.

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[Stairway 2 7]

You mean "create one".

Indeed

[archie]

Manager Thatcher did say her greatest ever achievement was Tony Blair.

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So the most hated politician might have said something at a dinner party to one person and all of a sudden it's gospel?

[Smartie]

I don't know if I'm an idealistic moron who has an overly simplistic view of the world, thinks too highly of people and lives a sheltered life in terms of who I come into contact with - but I still believe there is a silent majority out there who don't believe in this whole anti immigration, anti small boats rubbish.

That's why I don't get this approach from Labour - is it not better to go for the silent majority than the small minority of nutters? Just because they make a lot of noise on twitter and Facebook doesn't mean that they are huge in number and worth shaping entire political approaches around.

What I think Sir Keir has failed to grasp is the concept of leadership - he leads, others follow. He can choose to go in whichever direction he wishes. It is regrettable that he's chosen the race to the bottom and he better hope it doesn't backfire on him.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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please lord let us escape Britnat politics

[Stairway 2 7]

I don't know if I'm an idealistic moron who has an overly simplistic view of the world, thinks too highly of people and lives a sheltered life in terms of who I come into contact with - but I still believe there is a silent majority out there who don't believe in this whole anti immigration, anti small boats rubbish.

That's why I don't get this approach from Labour - is it not better to go for the silent majority than the small minority of nutters? Just because they make a lot of noise on twitter and Facebook doesn't mean that they are huge in number and worth shaping entire political approaches around.

What I think Sir Keir has failed to grasp is the concept of leadership - he leads, others follow. He can choose to go in whichever direction he wishes. It is regrettable that he's chosen the race to the bottom and he better hope it doesn't backfire on him.

The only poll I've seen shows 30% of Scots agreed with the Rwanda policy 50% opposed and the rest unsure, England was similar

[Kato]

So the most hated politician might have said something at a dinner party to one person and all of a sudden it's gospel?I didn't realise you were among those who treat her a a Saint.

No, not gospel. Something she said and something Blair was flattered by.

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I don't know if I'm an idealistic moron who has an overly simplistic view of the world, thinks too highly of people and lives a sheltered life in terms of who I come into contact with - but I still believe there is a silent majority out there who don't believe in this whole anti immigration, anti small boats rubbish. All I ever hear is that Labour run focus groups to determine what people are thinking, so presumably these focus groups tell him that the swing voters are xenophobic racists. Sad really.


What I think Sir Keir has failed to grasp is the concept of leadership - he leads, others follow. He can choose to go in whichever direction he wishes. It is regrettable that he's chosen the race to the bottom and he better hope it doesn't backfire on him.This has been my call about Brexit since the vote. Instead of saying "if that's what you want to do, we'll do it" they should be saying "this is the right thing to do, follow me". Sad really.

[JeMeSouviens]

The only poll I've seen shows 30% of Scots agreed with the Rwanda policy 50% opposed and the rest unsure, England was similar

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/10/31/3c056/2

UK public supports by 42% to 41% according to that. Scottish subsample (fwiw, ie. next to **** all given its tiny) was opposed 46% to 31%.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/10/31/3c056/2

UK public supports by 42% to 41% according to that. Scottish subsample (fwiw, ie. next to **** all given its tiny) was opposed 46% to 31%.

Most opposition from London as you'd expect. Large amount surveyed so pretty disgusting how high it is. The large social studie that happens each year that was previously put up showed similar attitudes to racism throughout the UK nation's. Will be weighted towards tory voters

[cabbageandribs1875]

this would be funny but i doubt it would bother him too much, his job is done

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/election-forecast-tories-lose-seats-mps-jacob-rees-mogg-346446/

Well, would you look at that? Jacob Rees-Mogg projected to LOSE seat as MPThat’s because figures from UK Polling Report have JRM down to lose his seat in North East Somerset. Although the margins are fine, a swing of almost 30 points in the court of public opinion has been recorded in his constituency.
The data will certainly come as a shock to Mr. Rees-Mogg, and indeed, other political observers. It’s understood that a Labour candidate would record more than 38% of the vote if the polls were open this weekend, whereas the senior Tory is only projected to fetch 34%.

[hibsbollah]

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please lord let us escape Britnat politics

This is why there is no such thing as the BNP or UKIP anymore, in an electorally relevant sense. The modern Tory party is a welcoming place for actual racists in a way it just wasn’t even 10 years ago. The leadership roles played by Sunak, Braverman and Patel in this development is surely one of the most bonkers things to ever have happened in modern British politics.

[wookie70]

I don't know if I'm an idealistic moron who has an overly simplistic view of the world, thinks too highly of people and lives a sheltered life in terms of who I come into contact with - but I still believe there is a silent majority out there who don't believe in this whole anti immigration, anti small boats rubbish.

That's why I don't get this approach from Labour - is it not better to go for the silent majority than the small minority of nutters? Just because they make a lot of noise on twitter and Facebook doesn't mean that they are huge in number and worth shaping entire political approaches around.

What I think Sir Keir has failed to grasp is the concept of leadership - he leads, others follow. He can choose to go in whichever direction he wishes. It is regrettable that he's chosen the race to the bottom and he better hope it doesn't backfire on him.

It is driven by Focus Groups and marginal seats. I think it was the last episode of Question Time where it was obvious pretty much the whole audience were pretty much sick to the back teeth of the blame desperate people in boats mantra. I still believe good people far outnumber bad people but the problem is good people are often trusting and bad people are often liars.

[cabbageandribs1875]

This is why there is no such thing as the BNP or UKIP anymore, in an electorally relevant sense. The modern Tory party is a welcoming place for actual racists in a way it just wasn’t even 10 years ago. The leadership roles played by Sunak, Braverman and Patel in this development is surely one of the most bonkers things to ever have happened in modern British politics.


careful he's a man of integrity, he himself told us that


the lurch to the right in British politics is really quite unpleasant

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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cross-government-fraud-landscape-annual-report-2022/cross-government-fraud-landscape-annual-report-2022-html#part-one--public-sector-fraud-authority

Cross-Government Fraud Landscape Annual Report 2022s-Government Fraud Landscape Annual Report 2022



The Government Counter Fraud Function estimates that, in 2020, the level of fraud and error was between £33.2bn-£58.8bn outside of COVID-19 specific schemes.

Based on these exercises it is estimated that between 0.5-5% [footnote 11] (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cross-government-fraud-landscape-annual-report-2022/cross-government-fraud-landscape-annual-report-2022-html#fn:11) of all government spending is lost to fraud and error.

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https://goodlawproject.org/revealed-the-tories-are-still-receiving-funds-from-russia-linked-donors/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=DarkMoney110423&utm_medium=social%20media

Revealed: The Tories are still receiving funds from Russia-linked donors

Our investigation has found that, since the start of the war in 2022, the Conservatives have accepted at least £243,000 from Russia-associated donors – including at least £61,000 flowing into Tory coffers in 2023 alone.

[archie]

I didn't realise you were among those who treat her a a Saint.

No, not gospel. Something she said and something Blair was flattered by.

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Evidence that Blair was flattered by it? She was no saint to me, because I don't treat these accounts as gospel.

[hibsbollah]

Evidence that Blair was flattered by it? She was no saint to me, because I don't treat these accounts as gospel.

I believe i read that in ‘Servants of the People’ by Andrew Rawnsley.