Tories are still lying *******s

[grunt]

If we were still in the EU the unelected bureaucrats there would make us do this, so grateful for small mercies and that:

27182Fake news. Nothing to do with the EU, and not true, as the road is not open to traffic. But you knew that.

[McSwanky]

If we were still in the EU the unelected bureaucrats there would make us do this, so grateful for small mercies and that:

27182This is an ironic post, right? [emoji23]

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[grunt]

This is an ironic post, right? [emoji23]
I find it hard to tell. Obviously.

[cabbageandribs1875]

(4) Jo Maugham on X: "Horrific from Tory donor Charlie Mullins. https://t.co/s5t6PCKOr9" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1697140153620353223)


Pimlico Plumbers founder Charlie Mullins suspended from Twitter after posting that “someone should kill” Sadiq Khan over ULEZ | road.cc (https://road.cc/content/news/charlie-mullins-says-someone-should-kill-sadiq-khan-303551)



i've noticed over the last several weeks the vile hatred for the abuse of Khan has been led by that far right daily publication the Daily Heil

[Northernhibee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66693802

More culture wars using our money from Braverman.

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66693802

More culture wars using our money from Braverman.Is she upset that the Met, in particular, haven't been helpful enough to the nasty party?

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[Northernhibee]

Is she upset that the Met, in particular, haven't been helpful enough to the nasty party?

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Taking the knee or being a friendly presence at a parade is political, but spending ages refusing to investigate the prime minster's rule breaking during lockdowns isn't, seemingly.

[Bostonhibby]

Taking the knee or being a friendly presence at a parade is political, but spending ages refusing to investigate the prime minster's rule breaking during lockdowns isn't, seemingly.Indeed, or worse, knowing there was rule breaking, "ignoring" it then having to go back later to "investigate" what they already knew about.
It's almost as if certain parts of it were an arm of the ruling party

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[lapsedhibee]

i've noticed over the last several weeks the vile hatred for the abuse of Khan has been led by that far right daily publication the Daily Heil

I don't read the Mail but if what you've said here is true, that's great news.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230903/e7233fc333c12b221e723f9da17cc6b3.jpg


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-09-02/woman-left-fighting-for-life-after-after-swimming-in-sewage-filled-sea

20% of Scot’s want this for us.[emoji849]


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[Moulin Yarns]

When chancellor, rishi Sunak cut the school repair budget by 50%

[Kato]

When chancellor, rishi Sunak cut the school repair budget by 50%Normal, and what Tory voters like.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Sunak rightly getting hammered for ignoring the report. Michael Gove should also be in the papers this week. In 2010 he scrapped labour's £56 billion school building project that would have replaced every RAAC school. He replaced that project with em nothing..

[Jack]

Sunak rightly getting hammered for ignoring the report. Michael Gove should also be in the papers this week. In 2010 he scrapped labour's £56 billion school building project that would have replaced every RAAC school. He replaced that project with em nothing..

And although the lying torys saying they'll fix all the English schools there's no new money to fix them with.

Another financial time bomb for the next government.

[Kato]

And although the lying torys saying they'll fix all the English schools there's no new money to fix them with.

Another financial time bomb for the next government.There's plenty of money, it's just that it's going out as profit to shareholders of formerly publicly owned companies and private health care companies.

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[Stairway 2 7]

There's plenty of money, it's just that it's going out as profit to shareholders of formerly publicly owned companies and private health care companies.

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Sad thing is this won't be as much of a driver to them losing as the high numbers of people risking their lives on boats to come here, will be. Pathetic

[Bostonhibby]

Oops

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1698678022667120887?t=GwkMIGOfqdLOCnH_VpV01A&s=08

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[Ozyhibby]

Oops

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1698678022667120887?t=GwkMIGOfqdLOCnH_VpV01A&s=08

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Who exactly is she blaming here?


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[Bostonhibby]

Who exactly is she blaming here?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAnyone but herself?

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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1698684003463676393?t=PLbzGxY8Zg3plMxcdK1O8A&s=19


It's like we live in a Banana Republic, without the benefits of republicanism or being able to grow bananas.

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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1698684003463676393?t=PLbzGxY8Zg3plMxcdK1O8A&s=19


It's like we live in a Banana Republic, without the benefits of republicanism or being able to grow bananas.

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That's like the thick of it

[Stairway 2 7]

Gavin Williamson found guilty of bullying ex cheif whip Wendy Morton, good thing he got knighted in time

[Bostonhibby]

Gavin Williamson found guilty of bullying ex cheif whip Wendy Morton, good thing he got knighted in timeKnighted for bullying above and beyond the normal Nasty party standard of bullying?

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[Kato]

Knighted for bullying above and beyond the normal Nasty party standard of bullying?

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkHe was seemingly the person who interrupted BJ in his office having a BJ administered upon him by CJ, before she was actually Mrs BJ.

Knighted to keep his gob shut about CJ having her gob and BJs flys, open.

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[Bostonhibby]

He was seemingly the person who interrupted BJ in his office having a BJ administered upon him by CJ, before she was actually Mrs BJ.

Knighted to keep his gob shut about CJ having her gob and BJs flys, open.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkCertainly seems like the sort who hasn't progressed based on natural talent and integrity alone[emoji6]

One of the many in this nest of vipers

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[Stairway 2 7]

Financial Times John Burn-Murdoch shared this graph saying if anyone wonder's why public buildings are falling apart. Its deliberate cuts since day one of the tories coming to power
27190

[Bostonhibby]

Financial Times John Burn-Murdoch shared this graph saying if anyone wonder's why public buildings are falling apart. Its deliberate cuts since day one of the tories coming to power
27190Eton, Harrow and other such cornerstones of the Tory establishment won't be having the same issues.

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[Stairway 2 7]

"I am sorry for the language. I didn't mean it at anyone in particular. I was actually frustrated with the interviewer because he was kinda making out it was all my fault."
Gillian Keegan

So its ,sorry, but I'm not sorry it was the interviewers fault for quizzing the education secretary for the embarrassing state of our schools, that her government has been in charge off for 13 years

[Hiber-nation]

"I am sorry for the language. I didn't mean it at anyone in particular. I was actually frustrated with the interviewer because he was kinda making out it was all my fault."
Gillian Keegan

So its ,sorry, but I'm not sorry it was the interviewers fault for quizzing the education secretary for the embarrassing state of our schools, that her government has been in charge off for 13 years

Another Minister taking "out of her/his depth" to new levels.

[Bostonhibby]

"I am sorry for the language. I didn't mean it at anyone in particular. I was actually frustrated with the interviewer because he was kinda making out it was all my fault."
Gillian Keegan

So its ,sorry, but I'm not sorry it was the interviewers fault for quizzing the education secretary for the embarrassing state of our schools, that her government has been in charge off for 13 yearsSorry I was so naive and unprofessional I got caught out seems far more likely.

I mean, who these days expects the Education secretary to have any mastery of the big issues affecting Education?

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[Kato]

"I am sorry for the language. I didn't mean it at anyone in particular. I was actually frustrated with the interviewer because he was kinda making out it was all my fault."
Gillian Keegan

So its ,sorry, but I'm not sorry it was the interviewers fault for quizzing the education secretary for the embarrassing state of our schools, that her government has been in charge off for 13 yearsTaking any kind of responsibility isn't in their remit.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/08/31/rishi-sunak-says-all-crimes-must-be-investigated-so-why-is-he-blocking-plans-to-go-after-fraudsters-cronies-and-kleptocrats/


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[Jack]

Sorry I was so naive and unprofessional I got caught out seems far more likely.

I mean, who these days expects the Education secretary to have any mastery of the big issues affecting Education?

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First rule of being interviewed. The cameras and microphones are always live - even when they're off!

She would have been aware of that when she spoke.

[Bostonhibby]

First rule of being interviewed. The cameras and microphones are always live - even when they're off!

She would have been aware of that when she spoke.You may well be right, what's in it for her then?

As an attempted deflection it's a poor effort

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[Kato]

Priorities.

https://twitter.com/TabitaSurge/status/1698046695559295087?t=LzFgZ0pRrwk4-w613NasQg&s=19

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230904/863c2ace4d88a2267f615e86c9a6cd86.jpg
[emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/carryonkeith/status/1698630170121208259?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Kato]

https://x.com/carryonkeith/status/1698630170121208259?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIs that for real?

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Nadine Dorries didn't declare a penny in earnings for a year in TV second job - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nadine-dorries-didnt-declare-penny-30849689)

Nadine Dorries was tonight accused of being “offensive” to voters by failing to declare any cash she pocketed from her second job as a TV presenter.
The ex-Tory MP didn’t declare a single penny in earnings from nearly a year of presenting a high profile TV show - while largely absent from her day job as an MP.


She continued to employ her daughter on a taxpayer-funded salary of up to £49,000, despite her living two hours travel from both Ms Dorries constituency and from Parliament.

And in more than a year of absence from Parliament, research shows Ms Dorries sent a member of staff on the train several times a month to pick up her post in Westminster - at a cost of almost £30 a time.

[Stairway 2 7]

Surely this tweet and info graphic is going to come back to haunt. Preaching most schools unaffected doesn't seem to be the way to go and consolation to the ones effected. A bit like getting a two nil defeat on a Saturday and the manager celebrating most shots were saved

https://twitter.com/GillianKeegan/status/1698966539381203190

[grunt]

Surely this tweet and info graphic is going to come back to haunt. Preaching most schools unaffected doesn't seem to be the way to go and consolation to the ones effected. A bit like getting a two nil defeat on a Saturday and the manager celebrating most shots were saved
Just came her to post this! It's a cracker.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5Pt-JCWwAAddnw?format=webp&name=medium


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5QDbGTXwAAdvZE?format=webp&name=medium

[Stairway 2 7]

Just came her to post this! It's a cracker.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5Pt-JCWwAAddnw?format=webp&name=medium


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5QDbGTXwAAdvZE?format=webp&name=medium

Ha ridiculous. Most of your kids are safe from death.

[Jones28]

Just came her to post this! It's a cracker.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5Pt-JCWwAAddnw?format=webp&name=medium


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5QDbGTXwAAdvZE?format=webp&name=medium

I saw this and thought "surely not, who the **** is publishing something like that?"

But no, it's real.

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5QDbGTXwAAdvZE?format=webp&name=medium
Didn't initially realise this was put together by the Labour Party. Well done Labour Party comms team.

[Bostonhibby]

Ha ridiculous. Most of your kids are safe from death.Breaking news, Only very small jobbies being dumped in your rivers and seas.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Taking any kind of responsibility isn't in their remit.

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Teachers fault

Education Secretary Gillian Keegan

“The annoying bit is despite asking since March 2020, there’s 5% of schools that have not responded to the survey.

“Hopefully all this publicity will make them get off their backsides”

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/nhs-england-tells-hospitals-to-be-ready-to-evacuate-if-buildings-crumble-concrete-raac

Totally normal behaviour in Tory England.


NHS bosses have told hospitals across England to be ready to evacuate staff and patients if buildings containing concrete that are at risk of collapse start to fall down.

[Northernhibee]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/nhs-england-tells-hospitals-to-be-ready-to-evacuate-if-buildings-crumble-concrete-raac

Totally normal behaviour in Tory England.

Britain literally crumbling under the Tories.

[Moulin Yarns]

I got a leaflet from the Scottish tories today introducing their candidate for the Westminster election, Stephen Kerr!! The boundaries have changed so it's Angus and Perthshire glens. Absolutely nothing about what the tories will do apart from vote tory to stop the SNP.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/375143464_2595977050555335_833904449659245646_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=kOadaNeMhIIAX_YTGPs&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfACjTQ02o72ahVFnlosLiseqgcuL8kOyPH2Ixjrjb2L pw&oe=64FD07EB

[grunt]

Led by donkeys


https://youtu.be/p6QzRbBZtKQ?si=24ZcWTaN6rCs1rfC

[cabbageandribs1875]

well i think it's a grand gesture he's helping out our NHS for nothing in return, isn't it just

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/372023744_2130614980476942_6894407397419632486_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5614bc&_nc_ohc=IZpq0zw2yMgAX86SNv3&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfAn0ILwY2eCdghByPte13peURXwmel1XMpnXs00SlC0 Sw&oe=64FEFA1A

[Northernhibee]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/375143464_2595977050555335_833904449659245646_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=kOadaNeMhIIAX_YTGPs&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfACjTQ02o72ahVFnlosLiseqgcuL8kOyPH2Ixjrjb2L pw&oe=64FD07EB
You just wonder what else poses a threat that’s being treated the same.

[Kato]

You just wonder what else poses a threat that’s being treated the same.Russian interference.

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[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5aMncNWIAAQFHP?format=webp&name=medium

[grunt]

Cruelty is the whole point.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-visa-deportation-nigeria-b2407090.html


The Home Office (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/home-office) told a five-year-old girl she must leave the UK immediately but allowed her mother to stay while she fights her own deportation.

The mother, from Nigeria, has lived in the UK for 19 years since the age of 16 and applied for leave to remain in the UK permanently on the grounds she has built a network of friends and family here.

The application was refused but while she was allowed to stay in the country to challenge the decision, she was told her daughter, who was born here and has never visited Nigeria, must go.

[lapsedhibee]

Cruelty is the whole point.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-visa-deportation-nigeria-b2407090.html

It would be good to think that Braverman will never work again after she leaves politics. It would be good if a CV consisting mainly of Lying and Performative Cruelty didn't lead to a highly paid gig in the private prisons sector or similar, but it will.

[Kato]

It would be good to think that Braverman will never work again after she leaves politics. It would be good if a CV consisting mainly of Lying and Performative Cruelty didn't lead to a highly paid gig in the private prisons sector or similar, but it will.One of the well funded, corrosive, weirdo think tanks will take her on.

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[Lendo]

Cruelty is the whole point.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-visa-deportation-nigeria-b2407090.html

How is this even possible or legal?! Surely if the child was born here she is a UK citizen?

[grunt]

Lying Tory liars create "Global Britain" brand. The rest of the world is not convinced.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/09/09/fact-sheet-president-biden-and-prime-minister-modi-host-leaders-on-the-partnership-for-global-infrastructure-and-investment/


At the 2023 G20 Summit in New Delhi, India, President Biden and Prime Minister Modi co-hosted a group of G20 leaders to accelerate investments to scale high-quality infrastructure projects and the development of economic corridors through the Partnership for Global Infrastructure and Investment (PGI).

The meeting of the leaders from the United States, European Union (EU), France, Germany, India, Italy, Japan, Mauritius, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and the World Bank demonstrated the collective urgency to make meaningful progress in narrowing the infrastructure gap in low- and middle-income countries to enable inclusive and sustainable growth and promote economic activity and prosperity.

[McD]

How is this even possible or legal?! Surely if the child was born here she is a UK citizen?

I wondered this but really am not informed on the situation so wasn’t sure

[Bostonhibby]

Cruelty is the whole point.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-visa-deportation-nigeria-b2407090.htmlI'm guessing the family surname isn't Braverman?

It's just a shame they weren't Russian and couldn't hand over the requisite couple of million to stay in london, sanctions or not

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[Callum_62]

How is this even possible or legal?! Surely if the child was born here she is a UK citizen?Haha, as if mate - you underestimate the sheer cruelty of the UK immigration policy

I've told this story before but we had our child in nz

The rule states clearly if your child was born overseas to 1 parent (the dad used to be excluded from this until about 20/30 years ago) that was born in the Uk with parents both born in the UK your child is British by birth

Well that was our child - I'm born in UK to parents who were born in the Uk - no problem right

Wrong

After much delay and back and forth awaiting on our daughters passport so we could move here and not include her on my wife's visa application :

Turns out as my wife is Filipino part of the documentation they requires was called a CENOMAR

It's fairly unique to the Philippines as it's a certificate of no marriage. Yes, a document to prove my wife hasn't been married before

I ended up losing the rag at the home office to get an explanation as to why we now need to request a document that might take 6 weeks to get from the Philippines

Why does it matter if my now wife has been married before - I meet all your stipulations

Well turns out that as the Philippines does not recognize divorce if my wife had been married before the UK government would recognize our daughters father as the initial husband!

Not the biological father who's named on the birth certificate but a random person they could've married at 17 or something

That's the lengths the UK govt will go to try and exclude folk coming here - taking a religious law of a third world county and applying it to there own immigration policy



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[lapsedhibee]

Haha, as if mate - you underestimate the sheer cruelty of the UK immigration policy

I've told this story before but we had our child in nz

The rule states clearly if your child was born overseas to 1 parent (the dad used to be excluded from this until about 20/30 years ago) that was born in the Uk with parents both born in the UK your child is British by birth

Well that was our child - I'm born in UK to parents who were born in the Uk - no problem right

Wrong

After much delay and back and forth awaiting on our daughters passport so we could move here and not include her on my wife's visa application :

Turns out as my wife is Filipino part of the documentation they requires was called a CENOMAR

It's fairly unique to the Philippines as it's a certificate of no marriage. Yes, a document to prove my wife hasn't been married before

I ended up losing the rag at the home office to get an explanation as to why we now need to request a document that might take 6 weeks to get from the Philippines

Why does it matter if my now wife has been married before - I meet all your stipuly

Well turns out that as the Philippines does not recognize divorce if my wife had been married before the UK government would recognize our daughters father as the initial husbands!

Not the biological father who's named on the birth certificate but a random person they could've married at 17 or something

That's the lengths the UK govt will go to try and exclude folk coming here - taking a religious law of a third world county and applying it to there own immigration policy


That's a cracker!

[Bostonhibby]

Haha, as if mate - you underestimate the sheer cruelty of the UK immigration policy

I've told this story before but we had our child in nz

The rule states clearly if your child was born overseas to 1 parent (the dad used to be excluded from this until about 20/30 years ago) that was born in the Uk with parents both born in the UK your child is British by birth

Well that was our child - I'm born in UK to parents who were born in the Uk - no problem right

Wrong

After much delay and back and forth awaiting on our daughters passport so we could move here and not include her on my wife's visa application :

Turns out as my wife is Filipino part of the documentation they requires was called a CENOMAR

It's fairly unique to the Philippines as it's a certificate of no marriage. Yes, a document to prove my wife hasn't been married before

I ended up losing the rag at the home office to get an explanation as to why we now need to request a document that might take 6 weeks to get from the Philippines

Why does it matter if my now wife has been married before - I meet all your stipulations

Well turns out that as the Philippines does not recognize divorce if my wife had been married before the UK government would recognize our daughters father as the initial husband!

Not the biological father who's named on the birth certificate but a random person they could've married at 17 or something

That's the lengths the UK govt will go to try and exclude folk coming here - taking a religious law of a third world county and applying it to there own immigration policy



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[Hibrandenburg]

Haha, as if mate - you underestimate the sheer cruelty of the UK immigration policy

I've told this story before but we had our child in nz

The rule states clearly if your child was born overseas to 1 parent (the dad used to be excluded from this until about 20/30 years ago) that was born in the Uk with parents both born in the UK your child is British by birth

Well that was our child - I'm born in UK to parents who were born in the Uk - no problem right

Wrong

After much delay and back and forth awaiting on our daughters passport so we could move here and not include her on my wife's visa application :

Turns out as my wife is Filipino part of the documentation they requires was called a CENOMAR

It's fairly unique to the Philippines as it's a certificate of no marriage. Yes, a document to prove my wife hasn't been married before

I ended up losing the rag at the home office to get an explanation as to why we now need to request a document that might take 6 weeks to get from the Philippines

Why does it matter if my now wife has been married before - I meet all your stipulations

Well turns out that as the Philippines does not recognize divorce if my wife had been married before the UK government would recognize our daughters father as the initial husband!

Not the biological father who's named on the birth certificate but a random person they could've married at 17 or something

That's the lengths the UK govt will go to try and exclude folk coming here - taking a religious law of a third world county and applying it to there own immigration policy



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I had similar problems getting a UK passport for my boy who was born in Germany. I had months of being told that nationality is determined by the nationality of the mother and the father's nationality is irrelevant. It's bull**** of course but it's what I heard several times from the passport authorities from different sources. It's almost like a memo went round telling officers to firstly just try and palm people off.

[grunt]

Global Britain.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5naJE8XIAA47A0?format=webp&name=medium

[Mon Dieu4]

How is this even possible or legal?! Surely if the child was born here she is a UK citizen?

UK immigration is mental, one of my pals is Scottish and was born here, his wife is American, she went to uni here and got her degree and was a primary school teacher, she applied for her permenant right to remain on the back of marrying a UK citizen and having a job that is widely needed

It got turned down and when her visa ran out she basically got booted out the country for a year, she was in the states and my pal was still here trying to get it sorted, took about 2 appeals, the local MP getting involved and some kind of petition being signed by thousands

What it got turned down for was that my pal had recently went self employed so couldn't prove his last 3 years worth of self employed income, didn't matter that his wife had a well paying job in an industry crying out for staff

End up costing them thousands in applications, lawyers fees and a couple of years stress and hassle to finally get it resolved

[Ozyhibby]

UK immigration is mental, one of my pals is Scottish and was born here, his wife is American, she went to uni here and got her degree and was a primary school teacher, she applied for her permenant right to remain on the back of marrying a UK citizen and having a job that is widely needed

It got turned down and when her visa ran out she basically got booted out the country for a year, she was in the states and my pal was still here trying to get it sorted, took about 2 appeals, the local MP getting involved and some kind of petition being signed by thousands

What it got turned down for was that my pal had recently went self employed so couldn't prove his last 3 years worth of self employed income, didn't matter that his wife had a well paying job in an industry crying out for staff

End up costing them thousands in applications, lawyers fees and a couple of years stress and hassle to finally get it resolved

I think everything about the UK is mental just now.


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[Callum_62]

UK immigration is mental, one of my pals is Scottish and was born here, his wife is American, she went to uni here and got her degree and was a primary school teacher, she applied for her permenant right to remain on the back of marrying a UK citizen and having a job that is widely needed

It got turned down and when her visa ran out she basically got booted out the country for a year, she was in the states and my pal was still here trying to get it sorted, took about 2 appeals, the local MP getting involved and some kind of petition being signed by thousands

What it got turned down for was that my pal had recently went self employed so couldn't prove his last 3 years worth of self employed income, didn't matter that his wife had a well paying job in an industry crying out for staff

End up costing them thousands in applications, lawyers fees and a couple of years stress and hassle to finally get it resolvedYep the financial onus is solely on the "non foreigner" when trying to come here

It really is a disgusting process

And that's before we get onto the application costs (another method of trying to stop folk coming)

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[Kato]

Yep the financial onus is solely on the "non foreigner" when trying to come here

It really is a disgusting process

And that's before we get onto the application costs (another method of trying to stop folk coming)

Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkWhereas a Russian Oligarch seeking to exploit our criminal tax system and mean nothing but harm to our population can bribe their way in no bother....and we are supposed to treat at least one of them like a "Lord".

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[Bostonhibby]

Whereas a Russian Oligarch seeking to exploit our criminal tax system and mean nothing but harm to our population can bribe their way in no bother....and we are supposed to treat at least one of them like a "Lord".

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkCouple of million flashed to get in, donations and payments to the Nasty party for lunches and games of tennis with Bozo and you're staying.

Weren't even EU freedom of movement people in the first place. Got to wonder why so many got in so easily, and stayed even through so called personal sanctions.

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[Kato]

Couple of million flashed to get in, donations and payments to the Nasty party for lunches and games of tennis with Bozo and you're staying.

Weren't even EU freedom of movement people in the first place. Got to wonder why so many got in so easily, and stayed even through so called personal sanctions.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkTony Blair introduced the Golden Tickets whereby any ticket who had stolen the Russian people's assets could purchase UK citizenship and therefore the ability to wash their profits in one the Magic Island Launderettes. All about the money.

Exacerbated and advertised by the current regimes' "Conservative Friends of Russia" club which saw a Chairman of the Conservative Party based in Moscow (Queen Camilla's nephew) opening a shop to hand the passports out to whoever had the dosh, no matter if they were KGB or if they had our best interests at heart or not.

They qualified no matter what, whereas ordinary Johnny Lunchbox dudes with valid reasons for a uk passport can get tae.

The most vile, corrupt, treasonous bunch ever to hold power.

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[Col2]

What exactly are this govt (in power for 13 years) actually doing?

They have pissed away all the money, much of it on themselves and cronies. We don’t have a workable EU arrangement, we have zero tech big business and are not attractive to invest in as a country (incentives), we have lost car manufacturing, the LSE has been marginalized and not seen as the major player it was before. We won’t let people come here to fill skills gaps and capacity issues on jobs lazy ass Brit’s won’t do. We have the chance to lead the way on wind, solar etc but just seen a report saying England hasn’t build a new offshore wind farm due shambolic bid process and they pander to the toxic right who don’t want wind farms on shore. Only two of the top 50 companies in the world are UK - Shell and astra zeneca - 46th and 47th.

Johnson clearly banked on Russian money (constrained with Ukraine conflict now) and a US deal with Trump (never happening now).

So what do we have that makes us even close to being global Britain? What do we have to offer? We don’t even have the money to subsidize new sectors eg tech and we can’t even make our terrible Brexit decision workable.

[Kato]

What exactly are this govt (in power for 13 years) actually doing?

They have pissed away all the money, much of it on themselves and cronies. We don’t have a workable EU arrangement, we have zero tech big business and are not attractive to invest in as a country (incentives), we have lost car manufacturing, the LSE has been marginalized and not seen as the major player it was before. We won’t let people come here to fill skills gaps and capacity issues on jobs lazy ass Brit’s won’t do. We have the chance to lead the way on wind, solar etc but just seen a report saying England hasn’t build a new offshore wind farm due shambolic bid process and they pander to the toxic right who don’t want wind farms on shore. Only two of the top 50 companies in the world are UK - Shell and astra zeneca - 46th and 47th.

Johnson clearly banked on Russian money (constrained with Ukraine conflict now) and a US deal with Trump (never happening now).

So what do we have that makes us even close to being global Britain? What do we have to offer? We don’t even have the money to subsidize new sectors eg tech and we can’t even make our terrible Brexit decision workable.It's a "managed decline" which used to be applied to certain cities but has been "ramped up" to the whole country. If you were paranoid enough you might imagine that it's because climate change will see the UK goosed anyway but its not so paranoid when that is exactly what is detailed in one their revered text books, "The Sovereign Individual".

Why invest when the country is knackered and you have handy distractions like the Royal Family and racism 'n stuff? Investment would only enable the proles and none of them want that, despite the lies they spill.

They are very skilled in insuring their is new billionaire created every couple of months so they aren't all bad.

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[Bostonhibby]

Tony Blair introduced the Golden Tickets whereby any ticket who had stolen the Russian people's assets could purchase UK citizenship and therefore the ability to wash their profits in one the Magic Island Launderettes. All about the money.

Exacerbated and advertised by the current regimes' "Conservative Friends of Russia" club which saw a Chairman of the Conservative Party based in Moscow (Queen Camilla's nephew) opening a shop to hand the passports out to whoever had the dosh, no matter if they were KGB or if they had our best interests at heart or not.

They qualified no matter what, whereas ordinary Johnny Lunchbox dudes with valid reasons for a uk passport can get tae.

The most vile, corrupt, treasonous bunch ever to hold power.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkConservative Friends of Russia- the same swiftly disbanded cabal that was to be championed by one Carrie Johnson, just before everyone that had anything to do with it ran a mile. Reptiles.

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[Kato]

Conservative Friends of Russia- the same swiftly disbanded cabal that was to be championed by one Carrie Johnson, just before everyone that had anything to do with it ran a mile. Reptiles.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkThe Telegraph also deleted all online trace of their regular "Friends of Russia" pull-out supplement, financed by some guy called V. Putin.

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[Bostonhibby]

The Telegraph also deleted all online trace of their regular "Friends of Russia" pull-out supplement, financed by some guy called V. Putin.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkYou probably already knew this, but I kept this one

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/conservative-friends-of-russia-group-disbands-with-immediate-effect/

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[Jack]

What exactly are this govt (in power for 13 years) actually doing?

They have pissed away all the money, much of it on themselves and cronies. We don’t have a workable EU arrangement, we have zero tech big business and are not attractive to invest in as a country (incentives), we have lost car manufacturing, the LSE has been marginalized and not seen as the major player it was before. We won’t let people come here to fill skills gaps and capacity issues on jobs lazy ass Brit’s won’t do. We have the chance to lead the way on wind, solar etc but just seen a report saying England hasn’t build a new offshore wind farm due shambolic bid process and they pander to the toxic right who don’t want wind farms on shore. Only two of the top 50 companies in the world are UK - Shell and astra zeneca - 46th and 47th.

Johnson clearly banked on Russian money (constrained with Ukraine conflict now) and a US deal with Trump (never happening now).

So what do we have that makes us even close to being global Britain? What do we have to offer? We don’t even have the money to subsidize new sectors eg tech and we can’t even make our terrible Brexit decision workable.

They have pissed away all the money, much of it on themselves and cronies.

Their 13 years in power will be seen as a success. Indeed probably the most successful tory government in history.

[McD]

What exactly are this govt (in power for 13 years) actually doing?

They have pissed away all the money, much of it on themselves and cronies. We don’t have a workable EU arrangement, we have zero tech big business and are not attractive to invest in as a country (incentives), we have lost car manufacturing, the LSE has been marginalized and not seen as the major player it was before. We won’t let people come here to fill skills gaps and capacity issues on jobs lazy ass Brit’s won’t do. We have the chance to lead the way on wind, solar etc but just seen a report saying England hasn’t build a new offshore wind farm due shambolic bid process and they pander to the toxic right who don’t want wind farms on shore. Only two of the top 50 companies in the world are UK - Shell and astra zeneca - 46th and 47th.

Johnson clearly banked on Russian money (constrained with Ukraine conflict now) and a US deal with Trump (never happening now).

So what do we have that makes us even close to being global Britain? What do we have to offer? We don’t even have the money to subsidize new sectors eg tech and we can’t even make our terrible Brexit decision workable.


No disagreement from me at all, would it be fair to suggest that it’s a legacy of modern plague that’s got Astra zeneca on that list? I’ve no idea what their standing before was, and not saying they didn’t do a great job during the pandemic, just that even them being in the top 50 shouldn’t be a positive reflection of the uk govt

[Col2]

No disagreement from me at all, would it be fair to suggest that it’s a legacy of modern plague that’s got Astra zeneca on that list? I’ve no idea what their standing before was, and not saying they didn’t do a great job during the pandemic, just that even them being in the top 50 shouldn’t be a positive reflection of the uk govt

Your right. COVID drove that massive rise up the table. It’s at time like now I wish we did have a credible plan, proper leaders and the real financial basis to become an independent country. The Brexit, the racism, the underfunding, the corruption, the toxic media, the royal family, the old school political system are all driven from out of Scotland. I love Scotland but I absolutely despise Britain and I am embarrassed for what it stands for. And labour are lining up austerity 2 which will finish people off even if they show less corruption and provide better actual government.

[Ozyhibby]

Your right. COVID drove that massive rise up the table. It’s at time like now I wish we did have a credible plan, proper leaders and the real financial basis to become an independent country. The Brexit, the racism, the underfunding, the corruption, the toxic media, the royal family, the old school political system are all driven from out of Scotland. I love Scotland but I absolutely despise Britain and I am embarrassed for what it stands for. And labour are lining up austerity 2 which will finish people off even if they show less corruption and provide better actual government.

Will it be less corruption or just better disguised? Labour Party are said to be running their hands at all the bookings from big business for this years conference now that they are seen as govt in waiting. Their donations are going through the roof.


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[StevieC]

I could talk at length about my experience with immigration and bringing the Dnipro Kids to the UK… like many stories above, it beggared belief.

Thankfully media pressure (and one of our own) got them to backtrack and eventually get it done.

[grunt]

Position Impossible:

https://twitter.com/Trogdouser/status/1701204860022993003?s=20 (https://twitter.com/Trogdouser/status/1701204860022993003?s=20)

[cabbageandribs1875]

Tobias Ellwood resigns as defence committee chair, before he was pushed off

Tobias Ellwood resigns as defence committee chair after controversial Afghanistan video | Politics News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/tobias-ellwood-resigns-as-defence-committee-chair-after-controversial-afghanistan-video-12960666?s=04)

[grunt]

And there's more ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hs2-rail-manchester-costs-rishi-sunak-b2410887.html


Rishi Sunak (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/rishi-sunak) and Jeremy Hunt (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jeremy-hunt) are in discussions about scrapping the second stage of the HS2 (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/hs2) rail project as costs spiral amid severe delays (https://www.independent.co.uk/business/hs2-boss-quits-as-project-moves-to-defining-period-after-major-delays-b2373913.html).

[Stairway 2 7]

And there's more ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hs2-rail-manchester-costs-rishi-sunak-b2410887.html

Good thread and FT article that was up last month on the dire price of transport in the UK. Goes for the ridiculous price of the trams too. Europeans can get transport projects at a fraction of what we pay, mostly due to a rotten planning system and NIMBYS

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1695034745871032609
jburnmurdoch
NEW: we need to talk about the dire state of British transport infrastructure.

Of the 52 UK cities with 250k+ people, only 8 (15%) have a tram or metro.

In France & Germany it’s 80%, Poland is on 60%.

Even *American* cities are better served, and the US hates public transit

[Stairway 2 7]

Nutrient neutrality housing rules defeated in the Lords

https://archive.ph/gjEjg

[grunt]

And there's more. Therese Coffey this time ...

https://x.com/possiblynotgod/status/1701996967738368385?s=20


Therese Coffey has said Glyphosate, key ingredient in the weedkiller RoundUp, is “absolutely fine” to use and is “critical for regenerative farming”. In 2015, the World Health Organisation labelled glyphosate as “probably carcinogenic”. Who do you believe?

[Moulin Yarns]

And there's more. Therese Coffey this time ...

https://x.com/possiblynotgod/status/1701996967738368385?s=20

If used properly and protective clothing is worn then use of glyphosate is safe, probably carcinogenic, but not tested fully.

[cabbageandribs1875]

pair of sticky-fingered theivin buzzurdshttps://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/377282018_297294886278772_6391777109599846630_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=UNhnuISN-dAAX9EMvwZ&_nc_oc=AQmyfFj4NE6dN7me8bkO2AtB78N0LnQscjl9B9v5CJf DwOynykelP5af-OwYfM1kgB0&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfDy15PRL0ynHRZP5r3RWsCwt8yx5B_D-d2UvSYoMr69dQ&oe=65063E6B

[Bostonhibby]

And there's more. Therese Coffey this time ...

https://x.com/possiblynotgod/status/1701996967738368385?s=20To be fair her level of knowledge about the environment is such that she probably thinks it's no worse a carcinogenic than her favourite large Havana.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230913/3e71410e395980d98d2cc5978e0e063d.jpg

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[grunt]

Levelling up? Never heard of it.

https://www.ft.com/content/d62650a8-fe5b-4883-8936-42407ba0ad14?ref=biztoc.com


The income gap between Londoners and the rest of the UK population has hit a record high, according to the latest statistics that reveal the challenges facing the government in implementing its flagship “levelling up” agenda.

On average, households in the capital had £31,094 available per head to spend or save in 2021, 43 per cent above the national average of £21,679, according to data published by the Office for National Statistics on Thursday. This is the biggest gap since records began in 1997.

[grunt]

This post relates to spend on children's services in England. But it tells quite a story.


Spending on late intervention now accounts for 80% of all children's services spending, while early intervention spend is down by almost half

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6DjA6tXwAIgVEw?format=jpg&name=large


What's that late intervention spend going on? Well, 78% of new intervention spend is going on services for children in care. This is driven in particular by the 79% increase in numbers of children entering residential care compared to 2010-11

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6DlLkWXwAUIKS2?format=webp&name=medium


£9 of every £10 of additional children's residential care spend since 2010-11 has gone to private sector providers. CMA says the largest of these "are making materially higher profits & charging materially higher prices, than we would expect if this market functioned effectively"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6DmP2XWEAAGffO?format=webp&name=medium

https://t.co/RUYN5bNZXX

[grunt]

If you’re not upset by Charlotte Owen, you should be
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/63063/if-youre-not-upset-by-charlotte-owen-you-should-be

[Stairway 2 7]

Who runs this show. Murdochs goons told Sunak not to quit

https://archive.ph/UuLND

Murdoch executives ‘told Sunak not to resign after Partygate fine

[Ozyhibby]

Who runs this show. Murdochs goons told Sunak not to quit

https://archive.ph/UuLND

Murdoch executives ‘told Sunak not to resign after Partygate fine

It’s why the SNP are such a threat. It’s a party funded largely by its members.


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[grunt]

The lying Tories aren't fascists, no sir!

https://x.com/Searchlight_mag/status/1702753037993877547?s=20


Suella Braverman has some explaining to do. Last weekend a notorious Spanish neo-nazi, Isabel Peralta, was allowed into the UK to speak at a nazi gathering in Preston. She is banned from entering Germany because of her extreme views. She was detained at Manchester airport by the UK Border Force but released and allowed to enter the UK to address the annual gathering organised by the neo-Nazi magazine and website, Heritage and Destiny.

But if she is too extreme for Germany, why was she allowed to enter the UK? Over to you, Suella Braverman ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6FkE6xXwAAQfIg?format=webp&name=900x900

[Kato]

The lying Tories aren't fascists, no sir!

https://x.com/Searchlight_mag/status/1702753037993877547?s=20



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6FkE6xXwAAQfIg?format=webp&name=900x900Is she waving to her pal there?

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[grunt]

Is she waving to her pal there?
She's trying to heil a taxi.

[Kato]

She's trying to heil a taxi.It's a long route to Nurenburg.

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[Bostonhibby]

Seems to be a campaign mounting to get Dim Lizzy back on the road again.

Guess they are just trying to drain the last bit of cash out the economy.

https://x.com/FraserNelson/status/1702966520446427471?t=YKLzclQMRMaPIzGmqekLpQ&s=08

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[lapsedhibee]

Seems to be a campaign mounting to get Dim Lizzy back on the road again.

Guess they are just trying to drain the last bit of cash out the economy.

https://x.com/FraserNelson/status/1702966520446427471?t=YKLzclQMRMaPIzGmqekLpQ&s=08


No-one saw it coming? Sunak spent half of his leadership campaign pointing out exactly what would happen, and it did. Wish these people would just fly off.

[Bostonhibby]

No-one saw it coming? Sunak spent half of his leadership campaign pointing out exactly what would happen, and it did. Wish these people would just fly off.Yep, you could say kwakers Kwartengs pal and former employer in the hedge fund game "saw it coming" and that's being generous....

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[Kato]

Watching her live on BBC just now.

She's ranting about the Anti-Growth Coalition.

A puppet for the hedge fund grifters.

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[Bostonhibby]

Watching her live on BBC just now.

She's ranting about the Anti-Growth Coalition.

A puppet for the hedge fund grifters.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkExactly that, kwarteng came across as a bit of an incompetent but he wasn't a bad front man for his former boss and industry.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Seems to be a campaign mounting to get Dim Lizzy back on the road again.

Guess they are just trying to drain the last bit of cash out the economy.

https://x.com/FraserNelson/status/1702966520446427471?t=YKLzclQMRMaPIzGmqekLpQ&s=08

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A few journalists from the financial Times have been telling tory Nelson that he's talking mince

https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1703316604195360861

https://twitter.com/JohnRalfe1/status/1703649372414586996

https://twitter.com/toby_n/status/1703461121259131012

[Bostonhibby]

A few journalists from the financial Times have been telling tory Nelson that he's talking mince

https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1703316604195360861

https://twitter.com/JohnRalfe1/status/1703649372414586996

https://twitter.com/toby_n/status/1703461121259131012No surprise there!

Thanks for posting articles

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[Northernhibee]

Not a fan of her at all, but the Laura Kuensberg documentary State of Chaos is very good. Focuses on the government post Brexit with lots of interviews from key figures.

It highlights the main problem with the Tory party - the remain side who by and large are Tory *******s but at least principled at least, and the likes of Dorries, Truss, Gove, Johnson, Kwarteng, Baker, Rees-Mogg who are just the lowest of the low. Desperate to play the victim too.

Alarming, predictable, but well worth a watch on iPlayer.

[lapsedhibee]

Watching her live on BBC just now.

She's ranting about the Anti-Growth Coalition.



All her policies would have worked out if the lefty international world of finance hadn't introduced their 'moron premium' on Britain's finances at approximately the same time as she was PM. Which was pure coincidence.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Radon Liz, i like it

Unfortunately for the Tories Liz Truss is the gift that keeps on giving (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/unfortunately-for-the-tories-liz-truss-is-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving/ar-AA1gTLrt?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=121e6620ebff464e899f31ab2083fc1e&ei=22)

[Stairway 2 7]

Tory mp Simon Clarke hits out at rumours of dialing down green policies. Associated press reporting that a number of MPs are ready to hand in votes of no confidence if Rishi goes ahead with it

https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1704197521566761068

[stokesmessiah]

The peeling back on green policies is really building pace now..:the usual goons out trying to make out it’s a good thing for the working man. Andrea Jenkyns “we don’t want the working class man paying for the middle class man’s electric car” divide and conquer

[lapsedhibee]

divide and conquer
Divide and fool. And that's worked a treat for them for a good few years now.

[stokesmessiah]

Suella Deville now on the news equating green policies to bankrupting the ordinary man.

[Bostonhibby]

Suella Deville now on the news equating green policies to bankrupting the ordinary man.Pity she wasn't focussed on more home secretary type stuff, like escaping prisoners etc etc

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[Kato]

It's all their version of electioneering. Anti Ulez one them a by election so they are digging the forrow. If plucking legs off spiders won votes they'd have an Anti-Arachnid Limb campaign up and running by now and all the papers would sporting spider-leg-plucking headlines. Mainly because they think the electorate are stupid and partly because a lot of them are.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230921/c6bbf4f34a5d260fe632d6391e44afd9.jpg


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[neil7908]

Jesus Christ something that will benefit public health and have a positive impact on individuals:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/22/rishi-sunak-considers-banning-cigarettes-for-next-generation

That's why it'll never happen of course.

[Ozyhibby]

Jesus Christ something that will benefit public health and have a positive impact on individuals:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/22/rishi-sunak-considers-banning-cigarettes-for-next-generation

That's why it'll never happen of course.

No no no. Prohibition doesn’t work. Education does. I hate smoking. I’m a real dick if somebody does it near me. This is an awful policy. The current policy on cigarettes has worked brilliantly. Why change it?
Do we really want gangster put in charge of the supply and distribution of tobacco?

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[Stairway 2 7]

Jesus Christ something that will benefit public health and have a positive impact on individuals:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/22/rishi-sunak-considers-banning-cigarettes-for-next-generation

That's why it'll never happen of course.

I think it might. Not because they care but because smoking numbers are falling dramatically, especially amongst the youngsters. From 50% of uk pop to 12% in 50 years. It's not stopping either and its mostly older groups. People are self banning. It'll make politicians look good, it will effect very few but most will be for it.

[Jack]

No no no. Prohibition doesn’t work. Education does. I hate smoking. I’m a real dick if somebody does it near me. This is an awful policy. The current policy on cigarettes has worked brilliantly. Why change it?
Do we really want gangster put in charge of the supply and distribution of tobacco?

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It works with narcotics. (sarcasm smilie)

[Jack]

Seriously.

Smart people learn from their mistakes (experiences).

Really smart people learn from others mistakes (experiences)!

Let's see how New Zealand gets on and take it from there.

[neil7908]

No no no. Prohibition doesn’t work. Education does. I hate smoking. I’m a real dick if somebody does it near me. This is an awful policy. The current policy on cigarettes has worked brilliantly. Why change it?
Do we really want gangster put in charge of the supply and distribution of tobacco?

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I don't think it's fair to call this prohibition. Those who can legally smoke now will still be able to. And illegal cigarettes already exist - there is no market being created.

It's a pretty sensible measure imo to speed up a process that as you say, is already happening naturally.

But 13% are still smoking and it's still too easy to get cigarettes. It costs lives and the health service huge money.

[Just Alf]

Now all we need is for Vapes to be added to the current cigarette legislation.

Getting fed up of breathing in strong vanilla smoke at bus stops or strawberry etc in a pub!

Should add, you can tell the ex smokers, they tend to move downwind or are more aware of the impact inside. ...... Never thought I'd say smokers were considerate :greengrin

[McD]

Now all we need is for Vapes to be added to the current cigarette legislation.

Getting fed up of breathing in strong vanilla smoke at bus stops or strawberry etc in a pub!

Should add, you can tell the ex smokers, they tend to move downwind or are more aware of the impact inside. ...... Never thought I'd say smokers were considerate :greengrin


Nah I agree with you, I’ve had many mates who smoked over the years (I never have), and the vast majority will either stand down wind or will say to you/move you or themselves so the smoke doesn’t waft on you.


Alternatively, I find many vapers (especially those who weren’t cigarette smokers) don’t give a monkeys, and are often seen openly vaping in places like shopping centres, football stadiums, cinemas, even hospitals.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Tory MP Scott Benton would like water cannons used in the UK Peter Stefanovic on X: "In the past year they have introduced new laws to rob millions of UK workers of their democratic right to strike, lock millions out of the electoral process & strip back our right to protest. Guess what they want next.. we should all be terrified by comments like this" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1706181358735745135) Benton is the one that was suspended back in April after a Lobbying Sting by the Times.

[Moulin Yarns]

James cracknell to stand as tory candidate in Colchester.

He was married to an anti-axer and did bump his head in a road accident.

[Jones28]

HS2 really starting to get silly.

Experts discussing it now on Newsnight, one mentioning that the final cost will end up being £200 billion.

Now there’s talk of a 7 year delay.

Tbh **** knows with it now, I think it’s just so mad financially that it would be crazy to not build any of it now.

[Kato]

HS2 really starting to get silly.

Experts discussing it now on Newsnight, one mentioning that the final cost will end up being £200 billion.

Now there’s talk of a 7 year delay.

Tbh **** knows with it now, I think it’s just so mad financially that it would be crazy to not build any of it now.Most things built in the UK cost more than abroad.

What can look like ineptitude is probably just what happens with most things, all the fingers in the pie have to take a slice for themselves and don't actually care about the project or if it is finished - their slice is the most important thing.

https://www.samdumitriu.com/p/britains-infrastructure-is-too-expensive

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[Ozyhibby]

Most things built in the UK cost more than abroad.

What can look like ineptitude is probably just what happens with most things, all the fingers in the pie have to take a slice for themselves and don't actually care about the project or if it is finished - their slice is the most important thing.

https://www.samdumitriu.com/p/britains-infrastructure-is-too-expensive

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The planning system in the UK is holding back more than just housing.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230926/32af109e3523ee43bd8166d72344fd61.jpg


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[Jones28]

Most things built in the UK cost more than abroad.

What can look like ineptitude is probably just what happens with most things, all the fingers in the pie have to take a slice for themselves and don't actually care about the project or if it is finished - their slice is the most important thing.

https://www.samdumitriu.com/p/britains-infrastructure-is-too-expensive

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I didn't check but I wonder how much all the projects in the article cost? £500m to do 4 miles of the A46? :confused:

Something raised in Newsnight last night was that our feast-or-famine way of building these kinds of projects is the massive brain drain during the leaner times.

If HS2 was to be paused for 7 years for example, how much work is there for all the people working on the project?

I don't specifically know how big contractors work, but would they recruit/buy machinery specifically for a project like this?

[lapsedhibee]

£500m to do 4 miles of the A46? :confused:

On the whole value for money issue, shirley the most relevant calculation is How much have Tory donors been paid for their part in HS2? and How much have they given back in donations to the Tory Party?

For example, Jenrick, until he was found out, was all set to benefit Desmond by about £45m and Desmond only donated £12,000. Outstanding value for money from Desmond's point of view.

[Jones28]

On the whole value for money issue, shirley the most relevant calculation is How much have Tory donors been paid for their part in HS2? and How much have they given back in donations to the Tory Party?

For example, Jenrick, until he was found out, was all set to benefit Desmond by about £45m and Desmond only donated £12,000. Outstanding value for money from Desmond's point of view.

I know what you're saying, I think people in every niche of the project are lining their pockets. Consultants will be making a fortune on it. Never mind the fact it's costing the tax payer a fortune, to them its a government project and they can charge what they like.

One of these is a bit of Twitter hear-say, but Stanley Johnson apparently made about £2m on his house when it was part of a compulsory purchase as part of HS2.

[JimBHibees]

Nah I agree with you, I’ve had many mates who smoked over the years (I never have), and the vast majority will either stand down wind or will say to you/move you or themselves so the smoke doesn’t waft on you.


Alternatively, I find many vapers (especially those who weren’t cigarette smokers) don’t give a monkeys, and are often seen openly vaping in places like shopping centres, football stadiums, cinemas, even hospitals.

Has there been any research into the effects of vaping? Wonder what numbers of them are and how addictive or detrimental to health.

[Kato]

I know what you're saying, I think people in every niche of the project are lining their pockets. Consultants will be making a fortune on it.

That's where I stand on it. The culture of grift surrounding large scale projects has always existed but has been refined to the nth degree in this country so the trough is deep and wide and every snout has to be accommodated, completing any project comes a poor second and completing it competently with good value for money just doesn't occur to them.

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[Northernhibee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66919416

Despicable.

[Jones28]

https://x.com/markjenkinsonmp/status/1706034309222572512?s=20

An actual real life Tory MP has chopped a Question Time contributors answer here to completely mis-represent her views.

This is like a Black Mirror plot line.

[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-66916848

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXP2JkTWQAAis4t?format=jpg&name=small

[Kato]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-66916848

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXP2JkTWQAAis4t?format=jpg&name=smallPanto season already?

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[Jones28]

Braverman has said multiculturalism has failed, while her prime minister, her predecessor in the job, the first minister of Scotland, the mayor of London and HER OWN WASTE OF HUMAN FLESH SELF are surely success stories?

[lapsedhibee]

Braverman has said multiculturalism has failed, while her prime minister, her predecessor in the job, the first minister of Scotland, the mayor of London and HER OWN WASTE OF HUMAN FLESH SELF are surely success stories?

Nicely put, if a little generous. :greengrin

[grunt]

UNHCR forced to respond to loony ramblings of UK Home Secretary:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6908ZXXkAARLil?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

They lying Tory liars pursue their levelling up agenda.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7BhxR8X0AAruhK?format=png&name=900x900

[Jones28]

Rishi Sunak getting shafted by local radio hosts all across the North and Midlands this morning.

He is a gibbering moron.

[Bostonhibby]

Rishi Sunak getting shafted by local radio hosts all across the North and Midlands this morning.

He is a gibbering moron.Out his depth, his actual role is front man for a small group whose remaining unfinished task is to wring what wealth he can from the country for said group before they lose the gig.

All that then needs doing is to make sure they've got as much of it beyond the reach of the next government,everything else is just deflection.

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[grunt]

Rishi Sunak getting shafted by local radio hosts all across the North and Midlands this morning.

He is a gibbering moron.
This was yesterday. Another Truss moment.


https://youtu.be/XMl0BCPdCRU?si=iR5DXw4b-LXR4Ri3

[lapsedhibee]

This was yesterday. Another Truss moment.


https://youtu.be/XMl0BCPdCRU?si=iR5DXw4b-LXR4Ri3

Levelling Up's for everyone, including people who are already well off. What a ****.

[Bostonhibby]

Levelling Up's for everyone, including people who are already well off. What a ****.Does anyone know who Michelle Mone applied to be fast tracked to the couple of hundred million she got for her gang?

I fancy some of that levelling up.

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[Keith_M]

Does anyone know who Michelle Mone applied to be fast tracked to the couple of hundred million she got for her gang?

I fancy some of that levelling up.


She did her bit in the pre-2014 independence debate and has been suitably rewarded.

[Bostonhibby]

She did her bit in the pre-2014 independence debate and has been suitably rewarded.Aye, but can we not all be levelled up in the same honest straightforward way? Jeez, they don't even have to make me a baroness.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

more good work by Led by Donkeys (1) Led By Donkeys on X: "🚨We went undercover to investigate the government's Rwanda plan. Suella Braverman now has serious questions to answer. https://t.co/oYr2JrR8Bk" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1708165280512245959?t=jugx-FlN-0rXM7Kwoj_BYQ&s=04&fbclid=IwAR20lOclbIwE6RjJ5HUaezy3D2b0WbL_g0FSkmuDZ 9zt3GiqbrVVaLhaB7w)

[Northernhibee]

more good work by Led by Donkeys (1) Led By Donkeys on X: "🚨We went undercover to investigate the government's Rwanda plan. Suella Braverman now has serious questions to answer. https://t.co/oYr2JrR8Bk" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1708165280512245959?t=jugx-FlN-0rXM7Kwoj_BYQ&s=04&fbclid=IwAR20lOclbIwE6RjJ5HUaezy3D2b0WbL_g0FSkmuDZ 9zt3GiqbrVVaLhaB7w)

Excellent work from LBD.

[grunt]

Northern leg of HS2 to Manchester will be scrappedhttps://news.sky.com/story/northern-leg-of-hs2-to-manchester-will-be-scrapped-12975050

[Bostonhibby]

Northern leg of HS2 to Manchester will be scrappedhttps://news.sky.com/story/northern-leg-of-hs2-to-manchester-will-be-scrapped-12975050Manchester levelled up with every other part of the north by getting dumped on so that london can enjoy an enhancement.

Shock horror.

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[McSwanky]

Manchester levelled up with every other part of the north by getting dumped on so that london can enjoy an enhancement.

Shock horror.

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I for one am completely amazed, who could possibly have seen this coming :rolleyes:

[Bostonhibby]

I for one am completely amazed, who could possibly have seen this coming :rolleyes:I have a good friend who was working on the property acquisition side north of Birmingham.

Basically been going through the motions for a long time, money has been spent with favoured suppliers and consultants though.

Been described as a giant sized version of Bozo's garden bridge project.

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[grunt]

Govt spokesman says that no decision has yet been made ...

[lapsedhibee]

Govt spokesman says that no decision has yet been made ...
Waiting to see what the reaction is like before confirming.

[Scorrie]

Liz Truss has formed a group with 60MPs in it! Blimey we are through the looking glass now. This is mental

[Stairway 2 7]

Bit embarrassing for Rishi although I'm sure he won't care as long as some idiots like his culture wars rubbish

https://archive.ph/yI2PQ

Rishi Sunak’s own Tory-run North Yorkshire council is expanding 20mph zones arguing they are ‘safer’

[grunt]

Bit embarrassing for Rishi although I'm sure he won't care as long as some idiots like his culture wars rubbish

I think you need an element of self awareness to be able to experience embarrassment. Something I doubt Sunak ever feels.

[grunt]

Here's the new version of the truth:

https://x.com/J4m35c4mpb3ll/status/1708845608323223721?s=20

[Bostonhibby]

Here's the new version of the truth:

https://x.com/J4m35c4mpb3ll/status/1708845608323223721?s=20This guy makes Liz Truss seem like a credible politician

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[Bostonhibby]

BREAKING Sunak may have another by-election. Tory MP Scott Benton caught by undercover reporters for

@thetimes

said he could “call in favours” & get “easy access” to ministers for their "fake company" Standards Comm now poised to suspend him

https://x.com/carolvorders/status/1708860646199111901?t=GKPWEBbiogt-amcKzK5lDA&s=08

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[Northernhibee]

BREAKING Sunak may have another by-election. Tory MP Scott Benton caught by undercover reporters for

@thetimes

said he could “call in favours” & get “easy access” to ministers for their "fake company" Standards Comm now poised to suspend him

https://x.com/carolvorders/status/1708860646199111901?t=GKPWEBbiogt-amcKzK5lDA&s=08

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I can’t remember corruption on even remotely the same scale as we’re seeing nowadays.

[Kato]

This guy makes Liz Truss seem like a credible politician

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkShe's still out there protecting the hedge funders wicket. Splitting into factions: the part who want to gaslight us about the culture wars, the part who want to gaslight us on behalf of the city and the part (Truss) who to gaslight us on behalf of the wreckers. Might be a Venn diagram in there but the chunks are obvious.

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[Bostonhibby]

I can’t remember corruption on even remotely the same scale as we’re seeing nowadays.My local tory bellend(there are tens of thousands in my constituency) has resorted to finally acknowledging something isn't right- it's directly affecting him, but is adamant labour are, and will be worse...

Pavlov's dogs and all that

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[lapsedhibee]

She's still out there protecting the hedge funders wicket. Splitting into factions: the part who want to gaslight us about the culture wars, the part who want to gaslight us on behalf of the city and the part (Truss) who to gaslight us on behalf of the wreckers. Might be a Venn diagram in there but the chunks are obvious.


Not sure there's really much gaslighting going on. Proper gaslighting involves a bit of cunning. These people are just telling barefaced lies, day after day.

[Bostonhibby]

Not sure there's really much gaslighting going on. Proper gaslighting involves a bit of cunning. These people are just telling barefaced lies, day after day.They're laughing at us, because many have allowed it.

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[grunt]

Busy night ahead at the lying Tory liars conference

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7dVrEXXkAAWRGH?format=jpg&name=medium

[Kato]

Not sure there's really much gaslighting going on. Proper gaslighting involves a bit of cunning. These people are just telling barefaced lies, day after day.20-25% of the population still buying it.

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[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/02/sunak-fails-to-hand-whatsapp-messages-from-time-as-chancellor-to-covid-inquiry?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Sunak fails to hand WhatsApp messages from time as chancellor to Covid inquiry


In his witness statement to the public inquiry, seen by the Guardian, the prime minister claimed that he did “not have access” to the messages during the period running the Treasury because he had changed his phone several times and failed to back them up.

[grunt]

Lord Frost (he of Brexit success fame) at the lying Tory liars conference:


Frost suggests that the state pension age should be increased to 75


He also suggests that the NHS budget should be frozen

[grunt]

Our very own Andrew Bowie making **** up on the radio:

https://x.com/mulcs85/status/1708938239535423849?s=20

[grunt]

The lying Tory liar Chancellor of the Exchequer doesn't understand how inflation works:

https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1708730915654873445?s=20

[grunt]

The lying Tory liars want to ban mobile phones from school, as they have the potential to distract pupils.
I happen to agree with this idea, and I understand most schools already have processes in place to limit mobile use during class.
Perhaps they should ban them in Parliament too?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7cohqzX0AEr3nl?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bostonhibby]

20-25% of the population still buying it.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkThankfully they are of a certain demographic.

C'mon their nemesis, the youth of today. Get registered, get voting

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[lapsedhibee]

Sky News becomes the latest recruit to the tofu eating woke anti growth coalition determined to run Britain down. (https://twitter.com/i/status/1708911889072152921)

[neil7908]

Lord Frost (he of Brexit success fame) at the lying Tory liars conference:

He is a truly, truly evil man.

[Jones28]

This Labour meat tax bull**** is the best example yet of the lie being half way round the world before the truth has got its trousers on.

The minister for codswallop or whoever the **** she is described it as a “lighthearted” moment in her speech when called out, knowing full well it will appeal to a certain section of the population.

[Jones28]

Here’s Farage at the conference with Patel.

Still think the Tories aren’t UKIP in all but name?

https://x.com/beany_1/status/1709091905265414460?s=46&t=LWpyA25jn7_ojIH7KWfnGg

[Bostonhibby]

This Labour meat tax bull**** is the best example yet of the lie being half way round the world before the truth has got its trousers on.

The minister for codswallop or whoever the **** she is described it as a “lighthearted” moment in her speech when called out, knowing full well it will appeal to a certain section of the population.Hasn't brexit already ensured we have taxes and other extra costs on all the meat, fish and poultry we already import and export from our nearest and biggest trading partner the EU?

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[lapsedhibee]

20-25% of the population still buying it.


Not too well up on the arithmetic of 17thC voting systems. Can they still get a UKParly majority with that? Maybe miss out on a landslide this time. :dunno:

[McSwanky]

Hasn't brexit already ensured we have taxes and other extra costs on all the meat, fish and poultry we already import and export from our nearest and biggest trading partner the EU?

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No, no, no. It's all much cheaper. Haven't you been paying attention?

[Bostonhibby]

No, no, no. It's all much cheaper. Haven't you been paying attention?[emoji16]

Aye, right enough, but can I just add that one of my local Nasty party supporters is adamant it's Covid and the war we are singlehandedly fighting against the Russians that are to blame.

If indeed prices have risen because that well known champion of truthfulness Bozo said they'd fall.

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[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7gn14jWYAAMaeE?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66994133

Tories doing what tories do best, go after the most vulnerable in society.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66994133

Tories doing what tories do best, go after the most vulnerable in society.

It’s all anyone who works in the NHS talks about these days.[emoji849]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66994133

Tories doing what tories do best, go after the most vulnerable in society.

Think women are the most vulnerable with regards to assault no? Seems sensible to give trans single rooms, although I doubt they have enough built and free

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1709191531557421382

Cringey to watch Sunak pretend he's not made a decision. His team are apparently furious it's been released and they haven't had a chance to make their week excuses on stage

[Stairway 2 7]

Very good from Lewis Goodall on how the tories are turning into our version of the fringe Republicans

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/10/the-tories-are-heading-where-the-republican-party-led

[Moulin Yarns]

Think women are the most vulnerable with regards to assault no? Seems sensible to give trans single rooms, although I doubt they have enough built and free

Let's put trans women in wards with men and trans men in wards with women?!

[Stairway 2 7]

Let's put trans women in wards with men and trans men in wards with women?!

Literally no one has suggested that apart from you? The link doesn't. The proposal is to give them private rooms. Seems sensible but as I say I doubt they will pay the funds needed to make sure that is always achieved

[Northernhibee]

Suella Braverman’s speech just now absolutely reeks of fascism. The language has been heard a million times before. Scary stuff.

[Hibrandenburg]

Suella Braverman’s speech just now absolutely reeks of fascism. The language has been heard a million times before. Scary stuff.

Just listening to her stirring up hate and bogeymen that don't exist makes my skin crawl. Her now being given a standing ovation for doing so is just surreal.

[SteveHFC]

Suella Braverman’s speech just now absolutely reeks of fascism. The language has been heard a million times before. Scary stuff.

Probably the worst speech I've seen for a long time.

[Bostonhibby]

Suella Braverman’s speech just now absolutely reeks of fascism. The language has been heard a million times before. Scary stuff.Is there such a thing as Farageism? She's certainly well into his territory and beyond, the scary thing is she has a position of power and the room full of Brown shirts seem very please to applaud her.

Hopefully we are into the death throes of this evil, ageing and ineffective cult

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[Ryan91]

Suella Braverman’s speech just now absolutely reeks of fascism. The language has been heard a million times before. Scary stuff.

Scary indeed, the Conservative party is slowly inching it's way further to the Right, and with speeches like that, it becomes clear that those at the top of the Party are quite happy to embrace elements of fascism.

Scary further is that those in attendance at the conference have given her a standing ovation, people are ACCEPTING of it.

I'd hope that there would be some within the Conservative party that would be willing to speak out against such rhetoric, but alas I doubt there are any with such a spine.

[Scorrie]

Suella Braverman’s speech just now absolutely reeks of fascism. The language has been heard a million times before. Scary stuff.

That speech could have been given by Victor Orban or Oswald Moseley. It will be interesting to see how the one nation Tories react to this speech as it is truly evil. Surely they can’t stay in the party if that’s the direction it goes in?

[Ryan91]

BBC reporting that the PM will be announcing the cancellation of HS2 North of Birmingham tomorrow at the Tory conference.

So much for levelling up the North of England.

£71bn was the last cost estimate, and that was 2019 prices, expect it to be in excess of £100bn now.

[Sylar]

What is it going to take to trigger violent uprising against this increasingly fascist regime?

I honestly though the fuel-bills/energy company profits might be the final straw but listening to some of the output from this 'conference' is really igniting an anger in me I didn't think I had when it comes to politics.

I'm not one to openly advocate for violence on any collective/individual, but if these scenes were playing out in France, the streets would be on fire.

We're beyond parallels and mirrors of Nazi Germany - the subjugation of anyone that doesn't tick specific boxes has reached seriously dystopian levels.

It needs to stop, now!

[Jack]

You'd normally expect the Opposition to call them out.

[Northernhibee]

You'd normally expect the Opposition to call them out.
The trap that the Tories are desperate or Labour to fall into is to start a culture war where like in 2019, they can pitch it as "us v them".

Just now, Labour are giving them nothing to create that battle ground, hence the bizarre warblings about "meat taxes" and "no borders". It's pretty much the only way that the Tories may be able to win the next election, is to create the new "Get Brexit Done".

Best thing that Labour can do is to give their words the space to be analysed and ridiculed for what they are, whilst creating the best manifesto that they can for the election next year.

[Stairway 2 7]

The trap that the Tories are desperate or Labour to fall into is to start a culture war where like in 2019, they can pitch it as "us v them".

Just now, Labour are giving them nothing to create that battle ground, hence the bizarre warblings about "meat taxes" and "no borders". It's pretty much the only way that the Tories may be able to win the next election, is to create the new "Get Brexit Done".

Best thing that Labour can do is to give their words the space to be analysed and ridiculed for what they are, whilst creating the best manifesto that they can for the election next year.

Jonathan Reynolds mp did just that in a viral thread showing clips of the maddest stuff said by the tories this week

https://twitter.com/jreynoldsMP/status/1708949377111241140

[Hiber-nation]

You'd normally expect the Opposition to call them out.

"Devoid of practical policies" is the best Yvette Cooper could come up with. Pitiful.

[grunt]

Partygate on Channel 4 tonight. Powerful viewing.

[neil7908]

The trap that the Tories are desperate or Labour to fall into is to start a culture war where like in 2019, they can pitch it as "us v them".

Just now, Labour are giving them nothing to create that battle ground, hence the bizarre warblings about "meat taxes" and "no borders". It's pretty much the only way that the Tories may be able to win the next election, is to create the new "Get Brexit Done".

Best thing that Labour can do is to give their words the space to be analysed and ridiculed for what they are, whilst creating the best manifesto that they can for the election next year.

I'm afraid I disagree. Any left wing party worth it's salt should be vocally opposing facisim from the ruling party.

Your comment about words being analysed and ridiculed might work with a tough and fair media. But the Express, Mail, Sun, Times, Telegraph, GB News etc are all right behind the Tories and doing anything but scrutinising them. They are agreeing, normalising and amplifying their words.

Labours silence could easily be construed as tactic support for much of the debate the Tories are creating.

We saw what happened when Labour were weak on opposing Brexit. The facts failed miserably during that campaign and the debate was captured and led by outrageous lies that were allowed to go largely unchecked. I'm not sure repeating the same same mistake again is good politics or right for the country.

[grunt]

We saw what happened when Labour were weak on opposing Brexit. The facts failed miserably during that campaign and the debate was captured and led by outrageous lies that were allowed to go largely unchecked. I'm not sure repeating the same same mistake again is good politics or right for the country.
Agreed. Yvette Cooper is rightly getting a lot of criticism for her weak response to Braverman's fascist comments.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/DrRosena/status/1709221256019795992

https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1709267724646441377

https://twitter.com/DawnButlerBrent/status/1709326338681610351

https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1709340542952219097

https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1709296194034270543

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1709493736948785626

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1709123954739134771

https://twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1709231014159991086

Phillips critised the language this week, Birnham, Bryant, Lammy, Allin Khan, Mcdonnel, Doddington, Burgon ect

When Labour MPs speak against the tories language it doesn't make the papers or the news. When Lee Anderson says any of his nonsense its everywhere. Labour don't decide what is newsworthy.

Starmer and Cooper have always been centre right so I wouldn't be surprised by whatever they don't say

[grunt]

Starmer and Cooper have always been centre right so I wouldn't be surprised by whatever they don't say
Amazing how you casually dismiss the Labour leader and Shadow Home Secretary, as if their responses - or lack of - don't matter.

[Ozyhibby]

A speech for the ages there. Can’t see past the Tories for the election now. [emoji6][emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/olidugmore/status/1709532174649614573?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Hibernian Verse]

https://x.com/olidugmore/status/1709532174649614573?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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Never thought I'd see Boris in a Hibs top. How vile.

[Stairway 2 7]

Amazing how you casually dismiss the Labour leader and Shadow Home Secretary, as if their responses - or lack of - don't matter.

I'm not dismissing it, I just already know they are horrible *****. He's obviously OK'd or at least not stopped all his MPs slamming the rhetoric.

Starmer hasn't commented on anything the tories have said yet , he will at the Labour conference I pressume. Talking tactically only then Starmer shouldn't do or say anything whilst they are having a nightmare mind. I think tactically he was probably unwise to say he wants a return policy with the EU and a closer relationship in general

Corbyn has slammed it and his party was left of any uk party. He was ridiculed on here daily as being pointless as being left won't get in power. Starmer has went right of that as they suggested and looks like getting in power, gets slammed too.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/adambienkov/status/1709192930366194174?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Well placed mic.


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[Stairway 2 7]

"You either think our country needs to change or you don't - and if you do, you should stand with the Conservatives"

EH, 14 years?

[neil7908]

"You either think our country needs to change or you don't - and if you do, you should stand with the Conservatives"

EH, 14 years?

I know. I would be laughing if they hadn't just ****ed the country for the last decade.

We're in a really, really bad place right now when the leader of the country can stand up and say that with a straight face. He should be getting absolutely destroyed in the media but I think we know how they will respond.

[Kato]

Check out this deranged idiot.

A big nothing burger speech about fighting. Actually seems a bit similar to Trumps pre-insurrection Jan 6th ramblings.

I could take most of these ***** myself and I can't fight sleep.

Still, some idiots seem to buy this blag.

https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1709521405216272856?t=tFOEzqrx5w-ynL8WgHQ5AA&s=19

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[McSwanky]

Check out this deranged idiot.

A big nothing burger speech about fighting. Actually seems a bit similar to Trumps pre-insurrection Jan 6th ramblings.

I could take most of these ***** myself and I can't fight sleep.

Still, some idiots seem to buy this blag.

https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1709521405216272856?t=tFOEzqrx5w-ynL8WgHQ5AA&s=19

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[grunt]

https://x.com/eleanormia/status/1709556287619359168?s=20

No 10 said the decision on HS2 was made this morning, but this video talking about scrapping HS2 looks like it was filmed in Downing Street

Here's a clip from 20 September - it's the same picture frame in the background

[grunt]

https://x.com/christianwolmar/status/1709575467546587275?s=20

Extraordinary but I'm told @networkrail was not consulted on today's rail announcement on Network North nor was it asked for advice or information. The company is awaiting further information.

[Kato]

https://x.com/christianwolmar/status/1709575467546587275?s=20

Extraordinary but I'm told @networkrail was not consulted on today's rail announcement on Network North nor was it asked for advice or information. The company is awaiting further information.Why would anyone expect consultation?

They are our rulers and masters and whatever decisions they make or unmake it's down to everyone to abide by them.

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[grunt]

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-10-04/pm-filmed-axing-hs2-video-days-before-announcement-despite-denials-at-conference

Revealed: PM filmed axing HS2 video days before announcement despite denying reports at conference

[Jack]

Should the lying torys not made such a huge announcement to Parliament first?

[Bostonhibby]

Should the lying torys not made such a huge announcement to Parliament first?They've always regarded themselves above that sort of thing, we are talking about a gang that recently hasn't even had that many democratically elected Prime Ministers.

They do what they want because we generally allow or condone it by our lack of effective protest and their use of the rule of law to crackdown on what protest, that they don't like, might occur.

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[Stonewall]

I have a feeling the run up to the next election will see the dirtiest UK campaign ever with the Tories going full Republican chucking lies and mis-representations around and a plethora of meaningless three word slogans.

[grunt]

Check out this deranged idiot. A big nothing burger speech about fighting. Actually seems a bit similar to Trumps pre-insurrection Jan 6th ramblings.

Thanks for posting. This is so wacky, it's worth seeing the speech written down to appreciate its amazing wackiness. She's really channelling Mel Gibson!


Stand up and fight, because when you stand up and fight, the person beside you stands up and fights. And when our party stands up and fights, the nation stands up and fights. And when our nation stands up and fights, other nations stand up and fight. And they stand up and fight for the things upon which the entire progress of humanity depends. Freedom.

[Kato]

Thanks for posting. This is so wacky, it's worth seeing the speech written down to appreciate its amazing wackiness. She's really channelling Mel Gibson!Probably just doing that content to wake up all the dotards in attendance. The non-dotards can't be riled up as they are all on the scale of the opathys but enjoy seeing the dotards riled up.

Cheap appeal, works in this country as some people are cursed with a nationalistic hex.

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[grunt]

Sunak's attention to detail ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7nG0lQW0AAY-V9?format=jpg&name=large

[lapsedhibee]

Thanks for posting. This is so wacky, it's worth seeing the speech written down to appreciate its amazing wackiness.

"Stand up and fight, because when you stand up and fight, the person beside you stands up and fights. And when our party stands up and fights, the nation stands up and fights. And when our nation stands up and fights, other nations stand up and fight. And they stand up and fight for the things upon which the entire progress of humanity depends. Freedom."

Yes but she's got really good hair, apparently, so also a decent chance of being next leader.

[Ozyhibby]

Sunak's attention to detail ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7nG0lQW0AAY-V9?format=jpg&name=large

Fact checking these guys is pointless as it doesn’t work. They just carry on regardless.


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[neil7908]

I have a feeling the run up to the next election will see the dirtiest UK campaign ever with the Tories going full Republican chucking lies and mis-representations around and a plethora of meaningless three word slogans.

Yup. And I'm really worried its going to work. Even if it doesn't, Labour are running so scared that they are not likely to offer much real hope of change.

[Ozyhibby]

Yup. And I'm really worried its going to work. Even if it doesn't, Labour are running so scared that they are not likely to offer much real hope of change.

Will be interesting to see what Labour say about HS2.


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[wookie70]

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-10-04/pm-filmed-axing-hs2-video-days-before-announcement-despite-denials-at-conference

Revealed: PM filmed axing HS2 video days before announcement despite denying reports at conference



Maybe he made two videos, like Johnson wrote two letters, and decided on policy with what way the wind was blowing on the day. More likely there was some sort of short position for his mates to profit on if he could hold back the announcement. Backing against Britain, its what they do

[Kato]

Maybe he made two videos, like Johnson wrote two letters, and decided on policy with what way the wind was blowing on the day. More likely there was some sort of short position for his mates to profit on if he could hold back the announcement. Backing against Britain, its what they doMy ultra cynical* theory is that cash going toward the non-building part of the project, ie quangos, charities fronted by their pals, consultants, lawyers, old uncle Tom Cobley et al... has dried up. Given that there's 32billionish up for pauckling a whole new raft of projects = fresh feathers to pluck.

*realistic in their case.

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[CropleyWasGod]

My ultra cynical* theory is that cash going toward the non-building part of the project, ie quangos, charities fronted by their pals, consultants, lawyers, old uncle Tom Cobley et al... has dried up. Given that there's 32billionish up for pauckling a whole new raft of projects = fresh feathers to pluck.

*realistic in their case.

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Trying my best to be fair :greengrin, but I can't help thinking that "the North" (hate that term) needs £36bn spent on a wider set of projects more than it needs a slightly faster rail link to Birmingham. If (I know, I know :rolleyes:) it is actually spent that way, I think it's the right decision here.

[Kato]

Trying my best to be fair :greengrin, but I can't help thinking that "the North" (hate that term) needs £36bn spent on a wider set of projects more than it needs a slightly faster rail link to Birmingham. If (I know, I know :rolleyes:) it is actually spent that way, I think it's the right decision here.

The original HS Project involved new or upgraded roads, expanded bus services, extra trams, expanded timetables, HS3 and more.

It was never about just being to shave minutes off a trip to the smoke, although it served the tut-tutters and nimbys to portray it as such.

Some of the "new" "promises" made by our Leader today already existed as part of the full HS Project and some have been cancelled already but are maybe back on again (who knows given they play hokey-cokey with everything.)

Too lazy too look it all up so I asked an AI a couple of questions. First about rail then road and bus...

"Here are some of the projects that are peripheral to the main high-speed HS2 line in the UK:

1. Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR): This project, often referred to as HS3, is designed to improve connectivity and transportation links across the North of England. It aims to enhance connectivity between major cities such as Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield, and Liverpool. While it is separate from HS2, NPR is often discussed in conjunction with it as part of a larger plan to improve transport infrastructure in the region.

2. Midlands Connect: Midlands Connect is a program focused on improving connections across the Midlands region of England. It includes various projects to enhance transport links, such as upgrading and expanding rail lines, improving road networks, and enhancing connectivity to major airports. Some of these initiatives are coordinated alongside the planning and development of HS2.

3. East Midlands Hub: As part of HS2, the East Midlands Hub project aims to create a strategic transport interchange near Toton in the East Midlands. It is intended to provide better connectivity for the region and serve as a major transportation hub for HS2 and other rail services, improving connections between Nottingham, Derby, and Leicester.

4. Curzon Street Station: Curzon Street Station is the terminus station for HS2 in Birmingham. It will serve as the main gateway to the city and will be a significant transport interchange for local and regional services. The station is being developed in conjunction with HS2 and will enhance connectivity within Birmingham and the wider West Midlands region.

These are just a few examples of projects that are directly or indirectly connected to HS2 and were planned alongside it to improve connectivity and transportation infrastructure within the UK."



"Here are a few bus and road projects that are connected to or complement the HS2 project in the UK:

1. Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) Systems: In various areas along the HS2 route, there are plans to develop Bus Rapid Transit systems. These systems will provide dedicated bus lanes and enhanced services to improve public transport connectivity to HS2 stations and surrounding areas. For example, the planned Birmingham Eastside Metro extension will include a BRT system that will connect with HS2 services at Curzon Street Station.

2. Road Network Upgrades: To support the increased demand and improve connectivity, several road network upgrades have been planned alongside HS2. These projects aim to enhance the capacity and efficiency of major roads and junctions near HS2 stations or areas that will experience increased traffic. Examples include improvements to the M42 motorway near Birmingham International Station and the A452 near the Interchange Station in Solihull.

3. Integration with Local Transport Hubs: HS2 will be integrated with existing local transport hubs and road networks to ensure seamless connectivity. This includes plans to upgrade road infrastructure leading to HS2 stations, improve parking facilities, and enhance public transport links to support passengers traveling to and from the stations.

It's important to note that while HS2 primarily focuses on the development of high-speed rail infrastructure, there is also a significant emphasis on coordinating with local transportation networks to ensure comprehensive connectivity and accessibility for passengers using different modes of transport."

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[Ozyhibby]

Trying my best to be fair :greengrin, but I can't help thinking that "the North" (hate that term) needs £36bn spent on a wider set of projects more than it needs a slightly faster rail link to Birmingham. If (I know, I know :rolleyes:) it is actually spent that way, I think it's the right decision here.

Would be even better if it was a decision made locally. The whole country is at the whim of whatever is in fashion in London. Having to go to London for funding for tram services etc is a mad way to run a country. There needs to be some proper devolution in the UK with taxes devolved accordingly.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Trying my best to be fair :greengrin, but I can't help thinking that "the North" (hate that term) needs £36bn spent on a wider set of projects more than it needs a slightly faster rail link to Birmingham. If (I know, I know :rolleyes:) it is actually spent that way, I think it's the right decision here.
I disagree. The main point in Hs2 is new rail capacity. Our Victorian lines can't handle more trains as the tories said when announcing hs2. Putting more trains on the Manchester route will increase journey times.

Almost all the other g7 nations seem to be able to add high speed rail with little problem. It also isn't that great a spend spread over the years, infrastructure projects are great for the economy.

Most of all thought its a guaranteed project. The others are just like the new hospitals. The tories probably won't be in power anyway so it's just the scrapping of Hs2 announced they can't do the rest, not that they would have anyway

[Moulin Yarns]

Simon Calder


People of Sheffield and Leeds: Rishi Sunak says he will quadruple the number of trains between Sheffield and Leeds.
As there are currently five per hour each way, that will mean 20 trains per hour: one every three minutes.
Rail boffins: can you help me understand how that works?

[Bostonhibby]

Simon Calder


People of Sheffield and Leeds: Rishi Sunak says he will quadruple the number of trains between Sheffield and Leeds.
As there are currently five per hour each way, that will mean 20 trains per hour: one every three minutes.
Rail boffins: can you help me understand how that works?3 storey trains?

Another world beating first from the people who brought £350m a week to the NHS.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

get this ever so funny little man in jail 'Boris Johnson's dithering responsible for thousands of needless deaths in Covid crisis' (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-s-dithering-responsible-for-thousands-of-needless-deaths-in-covid-crisis/ar-AA1hKZzw?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e91d66dbe6d9481e9980941ce765eb92&ei=36)

[Stairway 2 7]

Tories post conference bounce, more like a belly flop

British Electoral Politics
@electpoliticsuk
Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 43% (=)
CON: 27% (-2)
LDM: 13% (+1)
REF: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+2)
SNP: 1% (-2)

Via
@RedfieldWilton
, On 8 October,

[Northernhibee]

Tories post conference bounce, more like a belly flop

British Electoral Politics
@electpoliticsuk
Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 43% (=)
CON: 27% (-2)
LDM: 13% (+1)
REF: 8% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+2)
SNP: 1% (-2)

Via
@RedfieldWilton
, On 8 October,

Interestingly, if Reform were to stand down and almost all those votes were to go to the Tories, it would be likely that Labour would still have a small majority, even when taking boundary changes into account. Just put that into an electoral seat calculator.

[Stairway 2 7]

Pretty extraordinary and awful comms. Sunak today confirmed the transport projects shown as replacements for HS2 were for "illustration purposes".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/09/list-of-projects-to-be-funded-by-hs2-money-only-illustrative-sunak-says

[Just Alf]

Pretty extraordinary and awful comms. Sunak today confirmed the transport projects shown as replacements for HS2 were for "illustration purposes".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/09/list-of-projects-to-be-funded-by-hs2-money-only-illustrative-sunak-saysI often think that's also how they see their manifesto promises!

[Stairway 2 7]

I often think is that's also how they see their manifesto promises!

Ha yes, their tax returns too