Tories are still lying *******s

[degenerated]

Of course they are important. But we in Scotland can't borrow, so a new road is bellow raising benefits in line with inflation for example. I'd borrow and start massive infrastructure projects if I was Sunak.

Saying you must not want opera or infrastructure is beyond daft, the fact is there is a fixed budget and a list of priorities.Infrastructure isn't just roads. It's buildings, services and power, roads and transportation. The sheer number of jobs in that space is where a huge part of the budget comes from.

[Stairway 2 7]

Infrastructure isn't just roads. It's buildings, services and power, roads and transportation. The sheer number of jobs in that space is where a huge part of the budget comes from.

I wasn't personally doing the budget. But yes infrastructure will be broken down to essential and non essential projects in the budget.

Are people trying to say there isn't a hierarchy in a budget, surely that's the whole point of an election, picking a party that will priorities and spend how you believe is best for the nation

[James310]

Turning into?

Wouldn't I be banned if I was a troll?

Uncomfortable truths that are facts that you and others don't like is not trolling. The fact is we have heard it all before, every new PM gets told by Nicola Sturgeon she is having a referendum.

[Moulin Yarns]

I wasn't personally doing the budget. But yes infrastructure will be broken down to essential and non essential projects in the budget.

Are people trying to say there isn't a hierarchy in a budget, surely that's the whole point of an election, picking a party that will priorities and spend how you believe is best for the nation

Right, so you pay everyone 15% this year, and don't invest any money in infrastructure or maintenance of infrastructure. Schools do without books, libraries are closed.

What happens next year, as inflation isn't going to disappear overnight? Another 15% pay rise all round as everything else descends into the abyss?

[Moulin Yarns]

Wouldn't I be banned if I was a troll?

Uncomfortable truths that are facts that you and others don't like is not trolling. The fact is we have heard it all before, every new PM gets told by Nicola Sturgeon she is having a referendum.

4 prime ministers and one first minister. Thank goodness for stability. 😂

[James310]

4 prime ministers and one first minister. Thank goodness for stability. 😂

You are kind of making my point, 4 different PMs and chaos and instability and yet here we are again saying the same thing, the same thing said 7 years ago.

[Stairway 2 7]

Right, so you pay everyone 15% this year, and don't invest any money in infrastructure or maintenance of infrastructure. Schools do without books, libraries are closed.

What happens next year, as inflation isn't going to disappear overnight? Another 15% pay rise all round as everything else descends into the abyss?

Right wing nonsense that. Paying public servants a fair wage will not close libraries or mean no books for schools, get that disinformation in the bin man. Like reading the daily mail that

Their wages have been eroded for a decade and were now at breaking point. We need to give them a fair rise or the exodus will deepen

[Moulin Yarns]

You are kind of making my point, 4 different PMs and chaos and instability and yet here we are again saying the same thing, the same thing said 7 years ago.

If only a prime minister could actually last a parliamentary term for a change! That's why the first minister has had to repeatedly ask the same question, because none of them is there long enough to see the advantages of ridding the rest of the UK of the drain on its resources. 😉

[Moulin Yarns]

Right wing nonsense that. Paying public servants a fair wage will not close libraries or mean no books for schools, get that disinformation in the bin man. Like reading the daily mail that

Their wages have been eroded for a decade and were now at breaking point. We need to give them a fair rise or the exodus will deepen

Can I point out that as a public sector worker for 30 years I doubt that I ever got a pay rise in line with inflation. Salary increases were due to moving up a pay scale until you reach the top and that was it unless you got promoted.

Now, back to the budget, once you have paid everyone their 15% you won't have much left for the building or repair of roads

[Since90+2]

Right wing nonsense that. Paying public servants a fair wage will not close libraries or mean no books for schools, get that disinformation in the bin man. Like reading the daily mail that

Their wages have been eroded for a decade and were now at breaking point. We need to give them a fair rise or the exodus will deepen

Is everyone who points out the faults in your posts right wing/Tory 😂

[Zambernardi1875]

Right wing nonsense that. Paying public servants a fair wage will not close libraries or mean no books for schools, get that disinformation in the bin man. Like reading the daily mail that

Their wages have been eroded for a decade and were now at breaking point. We need to give them a fair rise or the exodus will deepen

I hope NHS Scotland get a proper pay rise as they fully deserve it, however if Scotland can’t borrow where will the 500m come from? Just raise tax. What gets cut in you’re opinion

[Moulin Yarns]

Right wing nonsense that. Paying public servants a fair wage will not close libraries or mean no books for schools, get that disinformation in the bin man. Like reading the daily mail that

Their wages have been eroded for a decade and were now at breaking point. We need to give them a fair rise or the exodus will deepen

I will add, libraries are already closing because of budget restraints.

[Stairway 2 7]

Is everyone who points out the faults in your posts right wing/Tory 😂

Just the ones that have right wing opinions on matters. You think it's a fault in me, saying nurses need the pay rise. Everyone is allowed their opinion including me.

[Stairway 2 7]

I hope NHS Scotland get a proper pay rise as they fully deserve it, however if Scotland can’t borrow where will the 500m come from? Just raise tax. What gets cut in you’re opinion

Yes we should have raised income tax and not just this year, public sector wages have been decimated in the last 10 years. The camels back has been broken but this should have been sorted year on year.

Scot gov managed to do a budget 10 years ago that paid nurses 8% more, were all the libraries closed

[Since90+2]

Just the ones that have right wing opinions on matters. You think it's a fault in me, saying nurses need the pay rise. Everyone is allowed their opinion including me.

You really need to stop putting words in other posters mouths.

At no point did I say it's a fault thinking nurses need a pay rise, you've just completely made that up.

The fault in your post was claiming to be a know it all in regards to other public sector pay and then having to completely retract it when pulled up for it being nonsense.

Everyone is indeed allowed an opinion, but if that opinion includes making things up and posting statements which are untrue, don't be surprised when you get pulled up on it.

[Stairway 2 7]

You really need to stop putting words in other posters mouths.

At no point did I say it's a fault thinking nurses need a pay rise, you've just completely made that up.

The fault in your post was claiming to be a know it all in regards to other public sector pay and then having to completely retract it when pulled up for it being nonsense.

Everyone is indeed allowed an opinion, but if that opinion includes making things up and posting statements which are untrue, don't be surprised when you get pulled up on it.

Grade 5 nurses have had the biggest drop out of all the main public service workers 20%. That's what I had read and I still believe it's true, the most a prison worker has lost is 11% I think. Both absolutely horrific and need sorted

That doesn't really matter in any way though. It's the bosses tactic to get jobs comparing and fighting each other. Each job must unionise and strike if needed when they are being screwed.

[Stairway 2 7]

I hope none of you are union negotiators or they are done for

[Zambernardi1875]

Yes we should have raised income tax and not just this year, public sector wages have been decimated in the last 10 years. The camels back has been broken but this should have been sorted year on year.

Scot gov managed to do a budget 10 years ago that paid nurses 8% more, were all the libraries closed

Is it possible to raise income tax enough to get the 500m?

[Zambernardi1875]

Grade 5 nurses have had the biggest drop out of all the main public service workers 20%. That's what I had read and I still believe it's true, the most a prison worker has lost is 11% I think. Both absolutely horrific and need sorted

That doesn't really matter in any way though. It's the bosses tactic to get jobs comparing and fighting each other. Each job must unionise and strike if needed when they are being screwed.

Is there a self employed union? When do we get to strike

[Stairway 2 7]

Is it possible to raise income tax enough to get the 500m?

I'm not sure where the £500 mil comes from is that all public services. The article I put up said £1.5 billion for England and Wales. But a third of that is cancelled as it comes back in tax, then vat on purchases and the fact that the rest of the money goes back into the economy.

[wookie70]

I'm not sure where the £500 mil comes from is that all public services. The article I put up said £1.5 billion for England and Wales. But a third of that is cancelled as it comes back in tax, then vat on purchases and the fact that the rest of the money goes back into the economy. Giving public servants a coat of living rise is exactly what is needed to get the economy moving. Billions on quantitative easing could have been used for that but was just filtered to the rich.

[wookie70]

Is there a self employed union? When do we get to strike You are the boss and can decide what to charge. Having well paid public servants would be a good thing for many self employed workers

[Zambernardi1875]

You are the boss and can decide what to charge. Having well paid public servants would be a good thing for many self employed workers

Ah great, never knew it was that simple

[Zambernardi1875]

I'm not sure where the £500 mil comes from is that all public services. The article I put up said £1.5 billion for England and Wales. But a third of that is cancelled as it comes back in tax, then vat on purchases and the fact that the rest of the money goes back into the economy.

500m was rough estimate from 150k nhs staff and 3500 pay rise.

[Since90+2]

500m was rough estimate from 150k nhs staff and 3500 pay rise.

Don't forget all the other public services who also deserve 17%.

[wookie70]

Ah great, never knew it was that simple Not sure what you do but every tradesperson that has worked for me has easily had cost of living rises over the last decade or so. I don't grudge them that but now do much of the work myself as my wages have been crippled by lower than inflation rises. Having the vast majority of workers, public and private, underpaid only benefits the 1% at the top.

[Zambernardi1875]

Don't forget all the other public services who also deserve 17%.

God yeah, all paid for by huge income tax rise. 600k public service workers roughly all getting on average 4k rise. We’ll need to auction off those expensive Gaelic signs

[Since90+2]

Not sure what you do but every tradesperson that has worked for me has easily had cost of living rises over the last decade or so. I don't grudge them that but now do much of the work myself as my wages have been crippled by lower than inflation rises. Having the vast majority of workers, public and private, underpaid only benefits the 1% at the top.

The cost of materials have absolutely skyrocketed in recent years. I'd not be so sure they have all had above inflation rises due to that.

Timber for instance went up 35% in 2021 alone. That's a hell of a gap to fill with price increases.

[Stairway 2 7]

10 years ago public services jobs were 6% higher factoring inflation. Scot gov managed to get a budget passed fine with those wages. The stories of no roads being built and no money left aren't based on any fact.

15% is a starting bid they won't get it and it wouldn't get them back to the wages on 10 years ago anyway.

[ronaldo7]

I hope none of you are union negotiators or they are done for

You have to wonder what they've been doing for the last 10 years.

Accepting paltry wage increases for their members.

[wookie70]

The cost of materials have absolutely skyrocketed in recent years. I'd not be so sure they have all had above inflation rises due to that.

Timber for instance went up 35% in 2021 alone. That's a hell of a gap to fill with price increases. Im well aware of that. I'm talking about hourly rates

[Stairway 2 7]

You have to wonder what they've been doing for the last 10 years.

Accepting paltry wage increases for their members.

Yep death by a thousand cuts. Inflation was so low people
didn't realise it was happening year by year. Seems a bit of a revolution this winter created by explosive inflation.

[Since90+2]

Im well aware of that. I'm talking about hourly rates

Yes, but unlike someone who works in an office for example the cost of materials are directly linked to their take home pay. If material costs go up 35%, they'd need to increase hourly rates by 35% just to take home the same pay as they did a year ago, and they'd need to put hourly rates up by around 47% to be above inflation.

I don't believe they have put up hourly rates by that much, hence my point I'm not sure they've all had above inflation rises like you claim.

[ronaldo7]

Yep death by a thousand cuts. Inflation was so low people
didn't realise it was happening year by year. Seems a bit of a revolution this winter created by explosive inflation.

It was up to the unions to get above inflation rises in the times of low inflation.

They failed.

[Stairway 2 7]

Yes, but unlike someone who works in an office for example the cost of materials are directly linked to their take home pay. If material costs go up 35%, they'd need to increase hourly rates by 35% just to take home the same pay as they did a year ago, and they'd need to put hourly rates up by around 47% to be above inflation.

I don't believe they have put up hourly rates by that much, hence my point I'm not sure they've all had above inflation rises like you claim.

Your choosing one year he has a decade. You could pick case by case but a better comparison is working with averages. Public sector wages have dropped much more than private.

My wife's self employed. Your basically Your own boss and company and take the positives and negatives that come with that.

[Stairway 2 7]

It was up to the unions to get above inflation rises in the times of low inflation.

They failed.

Yes they did. But also any government with class doesn't just push as far as it can, then say oh well you should have had a better union.

[wookie70]

Yes, but unlike someone who works in an office for example the cost of materials are directly linked to their take home pay. If material costs go up 35%, they'd need to increase hourly rates by 35% just to take home the same pay as they did a year ago, and they'd need to put hourly rates up by around 47% to be above inflation.

I don't believe they have put up hourly rates by that much, hence my point I'm not sure they've all had above inflation rises like you claim.

Not sure I understand your reasoning. Say in 2010 hourly rate was £10 and cost of materials £10. Cost of materials goes up 35% so customer charged 13.50. Inflation goes up 17% so hourly rate needs to be £11.70 to maintain cost of living. Hourly rate is independent from material costs surely. Unless of course you are skimming pay from overcharging on materials.

[ronaldo7]

I suppose we all fell into the trap of thinking inflation being so low would continue for some time. The crap hit the fan from the pandemic onwards.

[Moulin Yarns]

I suppose we all fell into the trap of thinking inflation being so low would continue for some time. The crap hit the fan from the pandemic onwards.

Aye, but we were all supposed to have got our crystal ball out and seen it coming.

[Stairway 2 7]

Aye, but we were all supposed to have got our crystal ball out and seen it coming.

It's not just this year its every year for the last decade. Framing it as this one year is a cop out. They needed their union to support them each year, bosses and government, they didn't have any

[Alex Trager]

Yes, but unlike someone who works in an office for example the cost of materials are directly linked to their take home pay. If material costs go up 35%, they'd need to increase hourly rates by 35% just to take home the same pay as they did a year ago, and they'd need to put hourly rates up by around 47% to be above inflation.

I don't believe they have put up hourly rates by that much, hence my point I'm not sure they've all had above inflation rises like you claim.

The cost of materials is paid by the customer.

The customer is given an invoice which will show materials as well as labour charges.

I would be shocked if any self employed person is taking the increase in material costs out of their wages

[grunt]

Remember this photo of the apparent party in Tory HQ amid lockdown in Dec 2020? Met police say the investigation is over and *no* action was taken against anyone, including mayoral candidate Shaun Bailey - who is now in line for a peerage. This was at a time when socialising indoors was not allowed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhSIURYWIAECXN2?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

Senior civil servants at the Ministry of Justice were offered “respite or a route out” of the department when Dominic Raab was reappointed last month, amid concerns that some were still traumatised by his behaviour during a previous stint there.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/11/dominic-raab-behaviour-moj-staff-offered-route-out?CMP=share_btn_tw

[Bostonhibby]

Remember this photo of the apparent party in Tory HQ amid lockdown in Dec 2020? Met police say the investigation is over and *no* action was taken against anyone, including mayoral candidate Shaun Bailey - who is now in line for a peerage. This was at a time when socialising indoors was not allowed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhSIURYWIAECXN2?format=jpg&name=mediumThe same Met who couldn't find an elephant in a phone box as their top find an elephant in a phone box squad were all out assaulting members of the public?

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[Hiber-nation]

The same Met who couldn't find an elephant in a phone box as their top find an elephant in a phone box squad were all out assaulting members of the public?

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Wonder how the 2 women who who were cautioned for having a socially distanced picnic feel about that :rolleyes:

[Stairway 2 7]

Well done the dockers on their pay rise 👏

@BeckettUnite
·
The dockers of Liverpool: 1
Toryism: 0

Once again, ordinary people clubbing together show themselves to be more powerful than the elite with all their might.

Victory to the Liverpool Dockers

[marinello59]

It was up to the unions to get above inflation rises in the times of low inflation.

They failed.

I’d be hard pushed to decide who hates the unions more … you or Thatcher. You have shared a lot of the same language over the past year so I’ll call it a draw. :greengrin

[grunt]

“Recession” is far too mild a term for the coming British economic disaster.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/recession-uk-economy-brexit-crash-b2222911.html


Without investment in infrastructure and education, the long-term outlook for the UK is, if anything, poorer than it is for the next few years. Without inward investment, new kit and new software there will be no AI revolution in the UK, nor electric car production, nor much else beyond the City of London and maybe the life sciences to drive prosperity.

The sluggish growth punctuated by relapses into inflation and recession will continue indefinitely. We’ll muddle through, but no more.

[marinello59]

Well done the dockers on their pay rise 👏

@BeckettUnite
·
The dockers of Liverpool: 1
Toryism: 0

Once again, ordinary people clubbing together show themselves to be more powerful than the elite with all their might.

Victory to the Liverpool Dockers

Superb
My mantra since covid began has been Join a Union. The bill was always going to be handed to the working class, delighted to see it being sent back.

[ronaldo7]

I’d be hard pushed to decide who hates the unions more … you or Thatcher. You have shared a lot of the same language over the past year so I’ll call it a draw. :greengrin

Prove it.😉

As an ex shop steward I resemble that remark.

Hate is a strong word Jon. 😒

[Moulin Yarns]

It's not just this year its every year for the last decade. Framing it as this one year is a cop out. They needed their union to support them each year, bosses and government, they didn't have any

If you read my earlier post you will know that it's been below inflation rises in local government for the last 34 years.

[Moulin Yarns]

Well done the dockers on their pay rise 👏

@BeckettUnite
·
The dockers of Liverpool: 1
Toryism: 0

Once again, ordinary people clubbing together show themselves to be more powerful than the elite with all their might.

Victory to the Liverpool Dockers

Well done to them, at least the tax payer doesn't have to foot the bill.

[Stairway 2 7]

If you read my earlier post you will know that it's been below inflation rises in local government for the last 34 years.

Nah. From 1997 untill 2010 wages rose much higher than inflation. Difference between labour and tory governments I suppose, how will we afford it brigade.
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[Moulin Yarns]

Nah. From 1997 untill 2010 wages rose much higher than inflation. Difference between labour and tory governments I suppose, how will we afford it brigade.
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The inflation rate in the United Kingdom between 1988 and today has been 155.75%, which translates into a total increase of £155.75.

Have local government salaries increased by the same rate over the same period?

[Stairway 2 7]

The inflation rate in the United Kingdom between 1988 and today has been 155.75%, which translates into a total increase of £155.75.

Have local government salaries increased by the same rate over the same period?

Went up that just from 1997 to 2009. It's the tories that have decreased public sector wages in the last 12 years. So the nurses ect are wanting it just nearer where it was under labour. Labour found the funds, don't let the tories trick you that the money isn't there to pay public sector fairly.

You were going on about libraries closing if we paid them fairly. Labour paid them more in comparison by the end and libraries weren't closing. Libraries are closing because the tories don't care a jot. Don't believe the tory propaganda

[Moulin Yarns]

Went up that just from 1997 to 2009. It's the tories that have decreased public sector wages in the last 12 years. So the nurses ect are wanting it just nearer where it was under labour. Labour found the funds, don't let the tories trick you that the money isn't there to pay public sector fairly.

You were going on about libraries closing if we paid them fairly. Labour paid them more in comparison by the end and libraries weren't closing. Libraries are closing because the tories don't care a jot. Don't believe the tory propaganda

As someone who worked in local government for the 30 years from 1988,the reason I used that date, I can assure you that services were being eroded and libraries opening hours reduced for all that time. Take a look at your local park, compare it to 30 years ago and tell me it's being maintained the same!

Budgets were being squeezed regardless of who was in government.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to point out that you're using a shorter time scale comparison. The difference between salary and inflation has been there for longer than you are saying.

[Ozyhibby]

As someone who worked in local government for the 30 years from 1988,the reason I used that date, I can assure you that services were being eroded and libraries opening hours reduced for all that time. Take a look at your local park, compare it to 30 years ago and tell me it's being maintained the same!

Budgets were being squeezed regardless of who was in government.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to point out that you're using a shorter time scale comparison. The difference between salary and inflation has been there for longer than you are saying.

St. Margaret’s park in Corstorphine used to have a guy who worked in the booth who hired out putters for the putting Green and rented out the tennis court and bowling greens. Now the whole thing is just an overgrown mess.


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[Stairway 2 7]

As someone who worked in local government for the 30 years from 1988,the reason I used that date, I can assure you that services were being eroded and libraries opening hours reduced for all that time. Take a look at your local park, compare it to 30 years ago and tell me it's being maintained the same!

Budgets were being squeezed regardless of who was in government.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to point out that you're using a shorter time scale comparison. The difference between salary and inflation has been there for longer than you are saying.

I'm just saying you said wages never went above inflation in the public sector in 30 odd years. The data only goes to 97 and it went up massively above inflation for 13 years in a row.

The conversation is about wage rises, that won't even get them back to where they were a decade ago. This narrative that there is no money is spun by the tories and their media. Labour afforded a much better pay to the workers and services were better to boot.

Tories came in eroded wages deliberately and benefits and services, its what they do.

[marinello59]

Prove it.😉

As an ex shop steward I resemble that remark.

Hate is a strong word Jon. 😒

Hate is far too strong a word, apologies for that.

[Jack]

Many years ago when I started working in the civil service, mid 1970s, my friends dad was at a decent level there. He had a nice house and his wife never worked more than part-time. Around that time MPs asked that their salaries were linked to that grade.

I ended up retiring at the same grade and so did my friend. Neither of us have a house more than half the value of his dad's house despite both our partners working full-time with extensive periods of overtime and extra jobs to help ends meet.

I doubt my kids will even get close to the 'wealth' my friend and I achieved even if they do attain a similar job position. Indeed my daughter has already had to move out of Edinburgh to get any sort of decent home for her and her family. Multiple jobs going on there to maintain what they have.

Incidentally MP salaries are currently a bit more than double that of the civil service grade.

[Stairway 2 7]

Many years ago when I started working in the civil service, mid 1970s, my friends dad was at a decent level there. He had a nice house and his wife never worked more than part-time. Around that time MPs asked that their salaries were linked to that grade.

I ended up retiring at the same grade and so did my friend. Neither of us have a house more than half the value of his dad's house despite both our partners working full-time with extensive periods of overtime and extra jobs to help ends meet.

I doubt my kids will even get close to the 'wealth' my friend and I achieved even if they do attain a similar job position. Indeed my daughter has already had to move out of Edinburgh to get any sort of decent home for her and her family. Multiple jobs going on there to maintain what they have.

Incidentally MP salaries are currently a bit more than double that of the civil service grade.
We can obviously talk about anecdotal individual jobs, but from 1993 for 20 years public and private pay rose much faster than inflation. Then Cameron and austerity came in.

The fact is nurses aren't even asking for the wages the last Labour government managed to budget for them, they just want an acceptable rise.

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[wookie70]

We can obviously talk about anecdotal individual jobs, but from 1993 for 20 years public and private pay rose much faster than inflation. Then Cameron and austerity came in.

The fact is nurses aren't even asking for the wages the last Labour government managed to budget for them, they just want an acceptable rise.

26285 Average earning and adjusted by CPI doesn't tell the story. There are far less junior grades as technology has made those roles redundant. A CPI pay award is nearly always a pay cut. I've been a public servant for 37 years. I can only remember a couple of pay rises where it went up by more than RPI. Those were multi year deals that initially started off below RPI. For my grade I think we have lost a minimum of one promotion in terms of purchasing power since I started. Public Service in general is terrible compared to when I started working. It has been destroyed by privatisation and contingent workers combined with lack of investment and short term and narrow thinking. New Labour did make things better but never got back to where we were

[grunt]

:greengrin


Social workers told not to ask dementia patients who PM is due to turnaround

https://t.co/Rhw24Mm6B6

[Keith_M]

Well done the dockers on their pay rise 👏

@BeckettUnite
·
The dockers of Liverpool: 1
Toryism: 0

Once again, ordinary people clubbing together show themselves to be more powerful than the elite with all their might.

Victory to the Liverpool Dockers




The girls of Liverpool are delighted...

[Moulin Yarns]

Here's an idea, how about all public sector jobs get a triple lock, like the lucky pensioners.

[wookie70]

Here's an idea, how about all public sector jobs get a triple lock, like the lucky pensioners.

Even that wouldn't work. Most are now between 10 and 20% worse paid since the Tories took power. Even with a RPI 12% rise the vast majority of public servants would still be worse off yet again as real inflation is way more than 12%. The constant announcement of strikes comes from desperation imo. There is simply very little to lose now as many working people can't cover their monthly outgoings

[StevieC]

The cost of materials is paid by the customer.

The customer is given an invoice which will show materials as well as labour charges.

I would be shocked if any self employed person is taking the increase in material costs out of their wages

Let me shock you then ..

Not all self employed people do invoices that way. There will be a huge amount that invoice for services (rather than materials and labour). I have never, in 31 years of self employment, produced an invoice that provides a breakdown of material costs and labour.

My material costs, travel costs, insurance costs, staff costs, are effectively all lumped in to a charge for the service provided. These costs have all increased, my monthly/annual service charges haven’t.

So yes, I am a self employed person that is taking a hit on increased material costs.

Has anyone ever had a breakdown of material costs when they’ve gone for a haircut?

[wookie70]

Let me shock you then ..

Not all self employed people do invoices that way. There will be a huge amount that invoice for services (rather than materials and labour). I have never, in 31 years of self employment, produced an invoice that provides a breakdown of material costs and labour.

My material costs, travel costs, insurance costs, staff costs, are effectively all lumped in to a charge for the service provided. These costs have all increased, my monthly/annual service charges haven’t.

So yes, I am a self employed person that is taking a hit on increased material costs.

Has anyone ever had a breakdown of material costs when they’ve gone for a haircut? Why haven't you put your price up though. You are getting a double whammy because you are making less in terms of amount and that is even further reduced in real terms. Assuming you were charging a fair price to begin with it is perfectly reasonable to increase the charge. No idea what business you are in but the issue comes when services provided can be done by untrained people and those untrained people are getting poorer every year. At some point they have no money so they choose to use their time instead and you end up with no work. I've plumbed my bathroom, service my car, built garden buildings etc etc. I'd far rather get a man/woman in but from what I can see they are charging the best part of 40 quid an hour and I simply cant afford that any longer.

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/13/controversial-360m-nhs-england-data-platform-lined-up-for-trump-backers-firm?CMP=share_btn_tw


An NHS project to incorporate tens of millions of personal digital medical records into one of the biggest health data platforms in the world is to be launched without seeking new patient consent.

Health officials confirmed this weekend the proposed £360m new data platform for England will incorporate the NHS shared care records that track patients across the health and care system.

The American software firm Palantir, which is chaired by the billionaire supporter Peter Thiel, is considered the favourite to win the contract. The firm has hired two senior officials from the NHS and has been advised by Global Counsel, the consultancy firm set up by the former Labour cabinet minister Lord Mandelson.

Ministers have disclosed in parliamentary answers that the patient information project does not require a public consultation before the five-year contract is tendered or additional patient consent.

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fhc5ReiWIAA1uS0?format=jpg&name=large

[Zambernardi1875]

Why haven't you put your price up though. You are getting a double whammy because you are making less in terms of amount and that is even further reduced in real terms. Assuming you were charging a fair price to begin with it is perfectly reasonable to increase the charge. No idea what business you are in but the issue comes when services provided can be done by untrained people and those untrained people are getting poorer every year. At some point they have no money so they choose to use their time instead and you end up with no work. I've plumbed my bathroom, service my car, built garden buildings etc etc. I'd far rather get a man/woman in but from what I can see they are charging the best part of 40 quid an hour and I simply cant afford that any longer.

“Why haven’t you put you’re prices up”
2 mins later
“I won’t pay the going rate”
😂

[Hibby Bairn]

St. Margaret’s park in Corstorphine used to have a guy who worked in the booth who hired out putters for the putting Green and rented out the tennis court and bowling greens. Now the whole thing is just an overgrown mess.


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And yet councils throughout Scotland still defer and delay any prospect of local community ownership and management. Despite it apparently being a long held SNP policy aim.

Councils can't afford to manage and maintain. Local People and groups would be interested in doing so. But get less than enthusiastic responses from local councils. Meanwhile facilities continue to decay and decline.

[Ozyhibby]

And yet councils throughout Scotland still defer and delay any prospect of local community ownership and management. Despite it apparently being a long held SNP policy aim.

Councils can't afford to manage and maintain. Local People and groups would be interested in doing so. But get less than enthusiastic responses from local councils. Meanwhile facilities continue to decay and decline.

You could easily build a small cafe there which would be very popular. Rent it out with rent set at a level that they have to manage the facilities. They do that in Australia and it works really well. Edinburgh leisure should be doing it to be honest.


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[wookie70]

“Why haven’t you put you’re prices up”
2 mins later
“I won’t pay the going rate”
😂

I can't afford to pay the going rate. I doubt these days I can afford to pay tradesmen that haven't put their prices up. Public Sector wages have been hit so hard that it much be having an effect on those that rely on normal working people as customers. That is the point, the money paid to Public Sector workers pretty much all goes straight back into the economy by way of taxes or NI and then spending on goods and services

[Hibbyradge]

I can't afford to pay the going rate. I doubt these days I can afford to pay tradesmen that haven't put their prices up. Public Sector wages have been hit so hard that it much be having an effect on those that rely on normal working people as customers. That is the point, the money paid to Public Sector workers pretty much all goes straight back into the economy by way of taxes or NI and then spending on goods and services

Whinge, whinge whinge.

Never heard of Wonga?

[wookie70]

Whinge, whinge whinge.

Never heard of Wonga? Who does he play for

[Hibbyradge]

Who does he play for

He's a development team punt.

[wookie70]

He's a development team punt. Surprised I hadn't heard as there is seeming a lot of interest

[Chuck Rhoades]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fhc5ReiWIAA1uS0?format=jpg&name=large

Same tabloid that slaughtered the government for having no PPE.

[Moulin Yarns]

And yet councils throughout Scotland still defer and delay any prospect of local community ownership and management. Despite it apparently being a long held SNP policy aim.

Councils can't afford to manage and maintain. Local People and groups would be interested in doing so. But get less than enthusiastic responses from local councils. Meanwhile facilities continue to decay and decline.

Several parks in Perth and Kinross have community involvement, 'friends of' such and such park, volunteers do quite a lot of the maintenance, litter picking etc. I volunteer with a local group that repair and improve path network around pitlochry.

[wookie70]

That will be an horrible moral dilemma for anyone asked to break the strike, or organise those breaking the strike. MOD unfortunately never reached the 50% anti trade union turnout so they can't be called out legally. I imagine Soldiers are also suffering from horrendous pay awards in the face of a cost of living crisis. Hopefully, this can actually bring workers, and I include soldiers in that, together. At some point we have to realise that it is the rich using us to fight each other and start turning round and facing those that seek to divide us

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/12/army-to-begin-training-to-cover-striking-border-force-staff?fbclid=IwAR1uT9rAH4G_mbEUq9YhEl4FMgRlwe7sDVX ugKRUOXQ9OEbf4okflXEPSRI

[Stairway 2 7]

Zarah sultana tells Jeremy Hunt where the magic money tree is, brilliant

https://mobile.twitter.com/eiecampaign/status/1592234781235888128

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/entertainment/liz-truss-political-career-is-over-matt-hancock-tells-im-a-celebrity-campmates



Pot and kettle has never been more appropriate!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Average earning and adjusted by CPI doesn't tell the story. There are far less junior grades as technology has made those roles redundant. A CPI pay award is nearly always a pay cut. I've been a public servant for 37 years. I can only remember a couple of pay rises where it went up by more than RPI. Those were multi year deals that initially started off below RPI. For my grade I think we have lost a minimum of one promotion in terms of purchasing power since I started. Public Service in general is terrible compared to when I started working. It has been destroyed by privatisation and contingent workers combined with lack of investment and short term and narrow thinking. New Labour did make things better but never got back to where we were

Perhaps I should come back to help out! 😉

[Stairway 2 7]

Maybe better than expected but still grimm next year

@HugoGye
·
OBR says the economy is currently in recession but GDP will grow by 4.2% this year. It will shrink 1.4% next year then grow by 1.3%, 2.6% and 2.7% in following years

[Jones28]

Anyone listening to this pish?

"The theatre of politics"? *****.

[Stairway 2 7]

i newspaper
@theipaper

Official
Key announcements from the Autumn Statement ⬇️🧵

🔴 Higher threshold of income tax reduced from £150,000 to £125,140
🔴 Income tax personal allowance and higher rate threshold frozen until April 2028
🔴 National insurance thresholds frozen until April 2028

🔴 Inheritance tax thresholds frozen until April 2028
🔴 Electric vehicles will no longer be exempt from Vehicle Excise Duty from April 2025
🔴 Dividend tax allowance will be cut from £2,000 to £1,000 next year and then to £500 from April 2024

🔴 The Annual Exempt Amount for capital gains tax will be cut from £12,300 to £6,000 next year and then to £3,000 from April 2024
🔴 VAT registration frozen until March 2026
🔴 Windfall tax increased from 25% to 35% from 1 January 2023 to March 2028

[hibsbollah]

£55 billion is coming roughly half from taxes, half from cuts.

Hunts statement is basically a big fat 'Bring it On' to public sector workers who are thinking about voting to strike.

Ben Zaranko


(https://twitter.com/BenZaranko)

@BenZaranko
(https://twitter.com/BenZaranko)




















The OBR expect CPI inflation to be more than 7% next year. The Chancellor has confirmed he is sticking to his cash spending plans for the next two years, which are predicated on pay awards of ~2% per year.Another 5% real-terms pay cut for public sector workers on the way?




11:50 am · 17 Nov 2022 (https://twitter.com/BenZaranko/status/1593210067960369152)

[hibsbollah]

I hadnt really appreciated how much Hunt looks like Norman Bates. Its uncanny.

[Stairway 2 7]

Big lossers are those that work in or use public services, austerity

Chancellor says capital spending will increase as planned for 2yrs then be frozen in cash terms for 3yrs

Energy price guarantee will continue for another year past April at a higher bills cap of £3,000/year for average usage - saving of £500 on average based on market expectations.

Cost of living payments 2023-24:
£900 for benefits claimants
£300 for pensioners
£150 for disabled

Working-age benefits will increase by 10.1% at a cost of £11bn - will help 10m families, Hunt says.

And the triple lock is protected for state pensions

OBR assumes net immigration to 🇬🇧 will remain above 200,000 a year over the next five years due to 'evidence of sustained strength in inward migration since the post-Brexit migration regime was introduced

[JeMeSouviens]

OBR says net migration to be above 200K pa for the next few years. Brexit voters gonna love that. :na na:

Living standards to fall 7% over next 2 years. We're all gonna love that. :rolleyes:

[Jack]

OBR says net migration to be above 200K pa for the next few years. Brexit voters gonna love that. :na na:

Living standards to fall 7% over next 2 years. We're all gonna love that. :rolleyes:

How far have living standards fallen in the last 12 years?

How many more food banks and people using them in the last 12 years?

[hibsbollah]

How far have living standards fallen in the last 12 years?

How many more food banks and people using them in the last 12 years?

Real wages are below 2008 levels, and will stay there till 2025. That’s unprecedented.

https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-of-the-day/2022/03/the-uk-is-facing-two-lost-decades-for-living-standards

There were a few hundred food banks in 2010. I can’t remember where I found the figures last time we discussed this but the current rate of use has increased over a hundred fold. Food banks have now replaced what we used to call ‘benefits’.

[Jack]

Real wages are below 2008 levels, and will stay there till 2025. That’s unprecedented.

https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-of-the-day/2022/03/the-uk-is-facing-two-lost-decades-for-living-standards

There were a few hundred food banks in 2010. I can’t remember where I found the figures last time we discussed this but the current rate of use has increased over a hundred fold. Food banks have now replaced what we used to call ‘benefits’.

Illustrates quite well that the man on the street is and has been squeezed for far too long.

I am surprised people seem to think this is acceptable and somehow inevitable. I did hope the Enough is Enough Campaign would gain some traction, alas no.

[Kato]

All it means is their grift can continue while everyone else carries the weight of it. Wealth tax, nope. Non-dom status, nope. A band for the uber-rich, nope.

Another two years of everything crumbling.

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[Kato]

Illustrates quite well that the man on the street is and has been squeezed for far too long.

I am surprised people seem to think this is acceptable and somehow inevitable. I did hope the Enough is Enough Campaign would gain some traction, alas no.They stopped having Mick Lynch on telly as he won't play the facile game of ignoring the obvious. Needs TV to gain traction.

Four tories on Newsnight last night, no real discussion had.

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[hibsbollah]

They stopped having Mick Lynch on telly as he won't play the facile game of ignoring the obvious. Needs TV to gain traction.

Four tories on Newsnight last night, no real discussion had.

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Im not usually one to defend the BBC but Newsnight from Stoke and Middlesbrough last night was putting the real issues about poverty, hunger and making choices about being warm or being fed when the people involved are working full time, front and centre. If I was a Tory I would be complaining that it was unbalanced. I said to the missus at the time that I fear for the work security of whoever the commissioning editor was.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-paid-over-276000-for-speech-at-us-insurance-conference-12749687

Boris Johnson paid over £276,000 for speech at US insurance conference

[grunt]

This is a good analysis of yesterday's budget. Obviously I think it's good because I agree with it.

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/17/all-the-bad-news-jeremy-hunt-hid-in-his-autumn-statement/

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1593249888334008321

The Westminster parties will raid Scotland's energy resources again, and all the while reducing the budget to the SG in real terms.

In total we expect the oil and gas sector to pay around £80 billion in tax over the next six years.

[grunt]

The print media don't seem to be too happy with Hunt's budget ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh2g6PoXEAETGfP?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

This government will have integrity, professionalism, and accountability at every level. Trust is earned and I will earn yours.

https://t.co/tbMNPebsha


Government ministers will end daily interviews on BBC Breakfast, Good Morning Britain and BBC Radio 4's Today programme - and will only appear when they have something to announce.

[James310]

https://t.co/tbMNPebsha

They all promise one thing, get elected and do another.

"Nicola Sturgeon has pledged to be "the most accessible first minister ever" when she takes over from Alex Salmond.

The current deputy leader of the SNP made the promise during a keynote speech in Dundee's Caird Hall on Friday evening.

Her plans include a monthly Facebook question and answer session with members of the public.

Ms Sturgeon will also stage regular town hall public meetings.

The Scottish Cabinet will meet outside Edinburgh every two months as part of the transparency plans.

And Ms Sturgeon will offer to go before the Conveners Group of the Scottish Parliament on a regular basis to answer questions on the government's record and plans."

Don't think any of the above has happened.

[Just Alf]

They all promise one thing, get elected and do another.

"Nicola Sturgeon has pledged to be "the most accessible first minister ever" when she takes over from Alex Salmond.

The current deputy leader of the SNP made the promise during a keynote speech in Dundee's Caird Hall on Friday evening.

Her plans include a monthly Facebook question and answer session with members of the public.

Ms Sturgeon will also stage regular town hall public meetings.

The Scottish Cabinet will meet outside Edinburgh every two months as part of the transparency plans.

And Ms Sturgeon will offer to go before the Conveners Group of the Scottish Parliament on a regular basis to answer questions on the government's record and plans."

Don't think any of the above has happened.Classic what aboutery surely? .... this exact thing has been aimed at SNP supporting posters when they've mentioned Tory/unionist politicians have done wrong in response to negative SNP reporting.

[grunt]

Don't think any of the above has happened.And yet you say she's always posing for selfies? She was criticised for attending COP26 in her home town of Glasgow, criticised again for going to COP27. I really don't think you can criticise the FM for not appearing in interviews!

And anyway, has she issued a command saying that no SNP minister should appear in a TV interview? No she hasn't.

[cabbageandribs1875]

phew at last some good news, the grotty little dump that had 18k in assets until that payout from the VIP lane has been forced to return £70m



Family-run firm that won contract to procure PPE is forced to pay £70m after supplying faulty PPE (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/family-run-firm-that-won-contract-to-procure-ppe-is-forced-to-pay-70m-after-supplying-faulty-ppe/ar-AA14el4A?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f2843f0fd720404fba309197c7f3bff0)


can't wait for Baroness Bra to get her £25 quid fine for her shenanigins :rolleyes:


maybe they will get around to asking for some of that £37bn Dido Harding hid down the back of her couch in the cayman islands

or maybe even some back taxes from the wife of the diminutive rich boy rishi

[Kato]

phew at last some good news, the grotty little dump that had 18k in assets until that payout from the VIP lane has been forced to return £70m



Family-run firm that won contract to procure PPE is forced to pay £70m after supplying faulty PPE (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/family-run-firm-that-won-contract-to-procure-ppe-is-forced-to-pay-70m-after-supplying-faulty-ppe/ar-AA14el4A?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f2843f0fd720404fba309197c7f3bff0)


can't wait for Baroness Bra to get her £25 quid fine for her shenanigins :rolleyes:


maybe they will get around to asking for some of that £37bn Dido Harding hid down the back of her couch in the cayman islands

or maybe even some back taxes from the wife of the diminutive rich boy ri****hey are a world beating political party. Auditing the accounts should be a breeze given their prudence, skills and compassionate sense of responsibility.

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[wookie70]

phew at last some good news, the grotty little dump that had 18k in assets until that payout from the VIP lane has been forced to return £70m



Family-run firm that won contract to procure PPE is forced to pay £70m after supplying faulty PPE (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/family-run-firm-that-won-contract-to-procure-ppe-is-forced-to-pay-70m-after-supplying-faulty-ppe/ar-AA14el4A?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f2843f0fd720404fba309197c7f3bff0)


can't wait for Baroness Bra to get her £25 quid fine for her shenanigins :rolleyes:


maybe they will get around to asking for some of that £37bn Dido Harding hid down the back of her couch in the cayman islands

or maybe even some back taxes from the wife of the diminutive rich boy rishi

I wonder where the other £280 million went. Did they deliver anything that was usable.

[Bostonhibby]

phew at last some good news, the grotty little dump that had 18k in assets until that payout from the VIP lane has been forced to return £70m



Family-run firm that won contract to procure PPE is forced to pay £70m after supplying faulty PPE (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/family-run-firm-that-won-contract-to-procure-ppe-is-forced-to-pay-70m-after-supplying-faulty-ppe/ar-AA14el4A?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f2843f0fd720404fba309197c7f3bff0)


can't wait for Baroness Bra to get her £25 quid fine for her shenanigins :rolleyes:


maybe they will get around to asking for some of that £37bn Dido Harding hid down the back of her couch in the cayman islands

or maybe even some back taxes from the wife of the diminutive rich boy rishiI did wonder if the good baroness or her husband went through the same due diligence as the clearly well connected Pestfix grifter, or were the tax payer funded contracts only being dished out to Nasty party friends by Lord Deighton at their own birthday parties?



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[grunt]

Lamont finally under some pressure from BBC Scotland

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1594293314286768128?s=20&t=5_KAzqZgvmJ52IlFzIodDQ

[Smartie]

Lamont finally under some pressure from BBC Scotland

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1594293314286768128?s=20&t=5_KAzqZgvmJ52IlFzIodDQ

Geissler has really impressed me these past few weeks.

It's so refreshing to have somebody who will consistently and impartially hold our politicians to account, asking the questions that really need asked.

If he keeps this up, they'll all end up spending their Sunday mornings hiding in fridges.

[grunt]

A somewhat scarily revealing interview with Brexit hard man Steve Baker from earlier this year.

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2022/29-april/features/features/power-is-a-disgusting-awful-thing-steve-baker-mp-interviewed


People think that the job of a Christian is to go out there and feed the poor, and all the rest of it — and it is, it is. But this is one of the frustrations for me, that Jesus challenges us, like the good Samaritan, to care for other people ourselves, and a great way of doing that is [through] friendly societies. But kind-hearted people who wanted to extend the benefits of friendly societies to everyone then destroyed them with the 1911 National Insurance Act and the establishment of the NHS.

For 111 years now, we have been — with benevolent intent — constantly moving away from people co-operating for themselves and developing their own character and virtue and care for one another, their own expertise and fulfilment as human beings, the dignity of choice and responsibility, and casting all those troubles on the state. And we can’t afford it, and it doesn’t work.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Great Britain 2022



https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA14nc9S.img?w=1920&h=1080&q=60&m=2&f=jpg

[Stairway 2 7]

Great Britain 2022



https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA14nc9S.img?w=1920&h=1080&q=60&m=2&f=jpg

Just steal all the ones behind it with no tag...

[cabbageandribs1875]

Just steal all the ones behind it with no tag...


i can see one on the next again cage but not the one at the back of that either, are these tag things photoshopped ? :confused: if so they've fooled that cornwall paper, the mirror, the daily heil

[Stairway 2 7]

Tesco says it was done in error. Spelling in the article pish also ha

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tesco-puts-security-tags-milk-28549239.amp

[James310]

i can see one on the next again cage but not the one at the back of that either, are these tag things photoshopped ? :confused: if so they've fooled that cornwall paper, the mirror, the daily heil


A Tesco spokesperson said 'We do not have a policy to place security tags on fresh milk. A very small amount of milk was incorrectly tagged today in our Redruth Extra store and these tags have now been removed. We’re sorry for any inconvenience caused.'

[Speedy]

i can see one on the next again cage but not the one at the back of that either, are these tag things photoshopped ? :confused: if so they've fooled that cornwall paper, the mirror, the daily heil

Possibly staged

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1595001779283959809

@HugoGye
Latest OECD forecasts suggest 🇬🇧 will have deepest recession in the G7 next year - GDP shrinking by 0.4%.

OECD criticises energy price guarantee, claiming it will drive up inflation and interest rates

[JeMeSouviens]

A somewhat scarily revealing interview with Brexit hard man Steve Baker from earlier this year.

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2022/29-april/features/features/power-is-a-disgusting-awful-thing-steve-baker-mp-interviewed

Bloody hell.:crazy:

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiLSd2RWYAELu34?format=jpg&name=medium

[cabbageandribs1875]

even john major puts the morals of today's Tories to shame

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/315766344_10218086293103323_1273979469433473332_n. jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=moBH9T2Qp8cAX95Zwpr&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCbuqtMZKzN4itfJU8rray1RVHDS1uSP05CO6B7zmhH gg&oe=6381263D

from 2016 Sir John Major Launches Emotional Attack On 'Deceitful' Brexit Campaign | HuffPost UK Politics (huffingtonpost.co.uk) (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sir-john-major-launches-emotional-attack-on-deceitful-brexit-campaign_uk_5753fc19e4b0b23a261a4cbf)


nuff said :agree: “The NHS is about as safe with them as a pet hamster would be with a hungry python.”

[grunt]

This is incredible. She should be sacked straight away. Don't even bother going back to the office.

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1595374559523471368?s=20&t=O-PpBKQZbSAU-oVY_x-KXg

[Oscar T Grouch]

This is incredible. She should be sacked straight away. Don't even bother going back to the office.

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1595374559523471368?s=20&t=O-PpBKQZbSAU-oVY_x-KXg

What is incredible isn't her disregard for human rights and asylum seekers it is the fact her stance on immigration in general is opposite of that of No 10 and No 11 Downing Street. We have a home secretary who wants to reduce net migration by half and yet we have a prime minister and chancellor who both know that in order to get the growth figures that they both spout there needs to be a huge increase in net migration into the UK. Braverman's malevolence towards immigrants is not incredible, it is true to her character.

[hibsbollah]

This is incredible. She should be sacked straight away. Don't even bother going back to the office.

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1595374559523471368?s=20&t=O-PpBKQZbSAU-oVY_x-KXg

There are no Safe and Legal Routes for people fleeing war in East Africa because that’s a deliberate Tory policy. That whole committee question process is far more interesting than PMQs, one of the purposes of which under the leadership of that ridiculous Speaker, is to deflect the fact that the U.K. is blatantly ignoring its commitment to refugees under international law. It’s disgraceful and it’s now at the heart of Govt. The Home Office is a racist organisation.

[Bostonhibby]

This is incredible. She should be sacked straight away. Don't even bother going back to the office.

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1595374559523471368?s=20&t=O-PpBKQZbSAU-oVY_x-KXgJeez, utterly out her depth, incompetent, no mastery of her brief at all, nor had her attack dogs at her side.
I don't even think anyone can say she's lying here though, just doesn't have a clue.

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[wookie70]

This is incredible. She should be sacked straight away. Don't even bother going back to the office.

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1595374559523471368?s=20&t=O-PpBKQZbSAU-oVY_x-KXg

She is basically a female Johnson. Absolutely no grasp of the brief, no understanding of detail and full of soundbites. Completely incompetent and just a bag of hate filled puss.

A question like that was always going to be asked. It is a routine and often asked question. To not be prepared for that is a sackable offence imo but then she has withstood a few of them already. You could have asked the lowest graded worker in her department that question and they would have given a professional and correct answer despite perhaps relying on foodbanks and benefits to subsidise their pay. Meanwhile the head of their department who is on a huge salary can field the easiest of questions. Yet those lower graded workers are routinely shoved in front of teh bus when it comes to backlogs in the system caused by understaffing and a deliberate move to make seeking asylum impossible for citizens of some nations

[Jones28]

She is basically a female Johnson. Absolutely no grasp of the brief, no understanding of detail and full of soundbites. Completely incompetent and just a bag of hate filled puss.

A question like that was always going to be asked. It is a routine and often asked question. To not be prepared for that is a sackable offence imo but then she has withstood a few of them already. You could have asked the lowest graded worker in her department that question and they would have given a professional and correct answer despite perhaps relying on foodbanks and benefits to subsidise their pay. Meanwhile the head of their department who is on a huge salary can field the easiest of questions. Yet those lower graded workers are routinely shoved in front of teh bus when it comes to backlogs in the system caused by understaffing and a deliberate move to make seeking asylum impossible for citizens of some nations

I think (very weirdly) this is a bit unfair on Johnson. At least he is purely self serving, Braverman is actually evil.

[hibsbollah]

I think (very weirdly) this is a bit unfair on Johnson. At least he is purely self serving, Braverman is actually evil.

I think the ‘sliding scale of evilness’ that’s now being created as our leaders are getting worse and worse is letting some of them off the hook. Cameron is now considered a moderate, as is Theresa May FFS, who started the ‘hostile climate’ as actual policy towards migrants when she was Home Secretary and in some ways was the most draconian of all. Boris Johnson was a disgrace and a disaster but because Liz Truss follows him he gets portrayed in a more favourable light? Not for me. I’d have the lot of them to the guillotine.

[Hibbyradge]

I’d have the lot of them to the guillotine.

Sometimes, when I'm struggling to fall asleep, I fantasise about ways I could assassinate them without being caught. :hilarious

It's usually a remarkably enjoyable and successful technique!

However, if you ever see me with a rifle and a long range scope, or an attack helicopter, please alert the authorities because I will have finally lost my mind and I don't really want to murder anyone!

[hibsbollah]

Sometimes, when I'm struggling to fall asleep, I fantasise about ways I could assassinate them without being caught. :hilarious

It's usually a remarkably enjoyable and successful technique!

However, if you ever see me with a rifle and a long range scope, or an attack helicopter, please alert the authorities because I will have finally lost my mind and I don't really want to murder anyone!

I knew I’d make a radical of you eventually:greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

awk why not, will be one of the last in the UK to use the European court of human rights, hope they tell him to do one



Brexiteer Owen Paterson sues government in European Court of Human Rights over 'unfair' lobbying investigation | Politics News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/leading-brexiteer-owen-paterson-takes-govt-to-european-court-claiming-lobbying-inquiry-breached-his-human-rights-12753276)



he's still Detestable though

[Hibbyradge]

Snout in the (secret) trough.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/23/revealed-tory-peer-michelle-mone-secretly-received-29m-from-vip-lane-ppe-firm?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[WeeRussell]

Sometimes, when I'm struggling to fall asleep, I fantasise about ways I could assassinate them without being caught. :hilarious

It's usually a remarkably enjoyable and successful technique!

However, if you ever see me with a rifle and a long range scope, or an attack helicopter, please alert the authorities because I will have finally lost my mind and I don't really want to murder anyone!

What’s the best method you’ve come up with so far?

Just out of curiosity like.

[James310]

I guess it's just me but fantasies about how you murder elected politicians (ok you may disagree with them) seems a bit OTT even for this place. Maybe it's just banter, how do we murder so and so and by what method.

[Betty Boop]

I guess it's just me but fantasies about how you murder elected politicians (ok you may disagree with them) seems a bit OTT even for this place. Maybe it's just banter, how do we murder so and so and by what method.

Weird behaviour

[Kato]

I guess it's just me but fantasies about how you murder elected politicians (ok you may disagree with them) seems a bit OTT even for this place. Maybe it's just banter, how do we murder so and so and by what method.Agreed. They should simply be arrested, tried and jailed.

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[James310]

Agreed. They should simply be arrested, tried and jailed.

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If they have committed a crime absolutely, don't think anyone would disagree. Talk of how you would murder them and in what way feels weird. Maybe a good old stabbing like David Amess or a shooting and stabbing like Jo Cox. Just rolls of the tongue doesn't it.

[wookie70]

I think (very weirdly) this is a bit unfair on Johnson. At least he is purely self serving, Braverman is actually evil. I'll grant you Johnson was perhaps less evil but both of them are hateful and hate filled individuals. Johnson loves himself to the exclusion of all others. To me that means he hates everyone that isn't him. He might not be as overtly evil as Braverman but if it came to it he would shoot a room full of children to save himself. There are a large number of people who have ruled over us that are the lowest of the low. Johnson has enabled nearly all of them.

[grunt]

Here's another one.


Conservative peer Michelle Mone secretly received £29m from ‘VIP lane’ PPE company, documents seen by the Guardian indicate.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/23/revealed-tory-peer-michelle-mone-secretly-received-29m-from-vip-lane-ppe-firm?CMP=share_btn_tw

[Kato]

Here's another one.



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/23/revealed-tory-peer-michelle-mone-secretly-received-29m-from-vip-lane-ppe-firm?CMP=share_btn_twMaybe it's not fascism but the similarity between 1930s German industrialists and the regime back then and this lot is stark. A jamboree while the German population was eating sawdust bread and drinking ersatz coffee.

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[hibsbollah]

If they have committed a crime absolutely, don't think anyone would disagree. Talk of how you would murder them and in what way feels weird. Maybe a good old stabbing like David Amess or a shooting and stabbing like Jo Cox. Just rolls of the tongue doesn't it.

I took the laughing face emoji to mean ‘I’m not serious about that’ rather than ‘I think killing a politician is funny’.

I’m sure we all know that’s what was meant.

[James310]

I took the laughing face emoji to mean ‘I’m not serious about that’ rather than ‘I think killing a politician is funny’.

I’m sure we all know that’s what was meant.

Is it funny to joke about murdering MPs and speculating what method of murder would be used? We maybe have a different sense of humour.

[hibsbollah]

Is it funny to joke about murdering MPs and speculating what method of murder would be used? We maybe have a different sense of humour.

You seem to have not read my post. I thought, and continue to think, that the laughing emoji was intended to show he wasn’t serious, not that killing anyone is funny. I think you understand this perfectly well. I hope that’s clear now and I don’t have to repeat this very simple concept again.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/23/revealed-tory-peer-michelle-mone-secretly-received-29m-from-vip-lane-ppe-firm

The greed is nauseating.

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/23/revealed-tory-peer-michelle-mone-secretly-received-29m-from-vip-lane-ppe-firm

The greed is nauseating.Tip of the iceberg, if Matt Hancock's pub landlord can get well over the odds for equipment that was mostly useless why shouldn't her offshore fund benefit too?

That seemed to be how our countries VIP lane for favoured grifters worked.

The wider investigation will stay in the long grass longer than the Partygate enquiry and the swindled cash isn't coming back anytime soon.

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[Callum_62]

Tories eh, what they like

https://twitter.com/JujuliaGrace/status/1595679942452322305?t=8mB2-tkNtAjTd465VVCiPQ&s=19

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[Bostonhibby]

Tories eh, what they like

https://twitter.com/JujuliaGrace/status/1595679942452322305?t=8mB2-tkNtAjTd465VVCiPQ&s=19

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[hibsbollah]

Tip of the iceberg, if Matt Hancock's pub landlord can get well over the odds for equipment that was mostly useless why shouldn't her offshore fund benefit too?

That seemed to be how our countries VIP lane for favoured grifters worked.

The wider investigation will stay in the long grass longer than the Partygate enquiry and the swindled cash isn't coming back anytime soon.

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I’m sure I remember a time when fraud was a criminal offence. It was sometimes even investigated.

[Bostonhibby]

I’m sure I remember a time when fraud was a criminal offence. It was sometimes even investigated.Sadly it seems the Met in particular have been spending their time on more important matters recently, disrespecting members of the public, occasionally assaulting them and protecting the royal family from their subjects[emoji6]

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[Hibbyradge]

What’s the best method you’ve come up with so far?

Just out of curiosity like.

I'm not sure I've found a best one, but last time (Tuesday) I was perched on top of a house next to Turnhouse golf course with a rifle. The target would be arriving at the cargo entrance to the airport like yon funeral cortege the other week.

I didn't reach the point of getting a shot away at anyone (I never have) but my escape would have been via the 16th fairway. My rifle was concealed in my golf bag and I'd just play the last 3 holes and go home. Clever as fcku, eh?

I think I started planning on how to avoid being identified on the club CCTV when I fell asleep so the bast***s survived another night.

Next time they're getting it...

[Hibbyradge]

I guess it's just me but fantasies about how you murder elected politicians (ok you may disagree with them) seems a bit OTT even for this place. Maybe it's just banter, how do we murder so and so and by what method.

I don't restrict it to elected politicians, if that helps.

[Hibbyradge]

Weird behaviour

It's not behaviour.

[Hibbyradge]

I took the laughing face emoji to mean ‘I’m not serious about that’ rather than ‘I think killing a politician is funny’.

I’m sure we all know that’s what was meant.

I would have thought the "I don't actually want to murder anyone" line would have been another clue, but maybe that was too subtle.

[Smartie]

I guess it's just me but fantasies about how you murder elected politicians (ok you may disagree with them) seems a bit OTT even for this place. Maybe it's just banter, how do we murder so and so and by what method.

Fortunately the thought police remain a terrifying feature in a dystopian science fiction book.

I'm relieved to find out I'm not the only one who manages to combine murdering politicians with getting my break playing up front for Hibs aged 45, finally mastering the guitar and writing the greatest music the world has ever heard with being the person whose voice is finally heard and recognised as being the most important when it comes to delivering world peace, all in my head, pretty much every minute of every day.

As long as my actions continue to be as predictable and mundane as they always are though, nobody really has anything to worry about.

[OldEast]

I would have thought the "I don't actually want to murder anyone" line would have been another clue, but maybe that was too subtle.

Unfortunately no end of clues will appease those constantly on the lookout for something to be annoyed/shocked/offended by.

[OldEast]

Fortunately the thought police remain a terrifying feature in a dystopian science fiction book.

I'm relieved to find out I'm not the only one who manages to combine murdering politicians with getting my break playing up front for Hibs aged 45, finally mastering the guitar and writing the greatest music the world has ever heard with being the person whose voice is finally heard and recognised as being the most important when it comes to delivering world peace, all in my head, pretty much every minute of every day.

As long as my actions continue to be as predictable and mundane as they always are though, nobody really has anything to worry about.

I'd just be happy with Kylie Minogue

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I'd just be happy with Kylie Minogue

Better the devil you know I suppose.

[Smartie]

Better the devil you know I suppose.

I was thinking "you should be so lucky" but thought it was another one of those things best thought and not acted on.

[Bostonhibby]

I'd just be happy with Kylie MinogueI still fantasise about doing the double over Livingston and Ross County.

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[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1595762154891681793?t=rWudUUW8eaZWYsTHaLZ-_A&s=19

It was in the Scottish tories manifesto, and now they are U turning.

[Stairway 2 7]

Jeez the brexiteers will not be happy. Immigration is through the roof and at record numbers 504,000 net migration. The estimate in the budget was there would be net 200k each year in the next 3 years, I'd be surprised if it was that low

https://mobile.twitter.com/DannyShawNews/status/1595712106753581057


Danny Shaw
@DannyShawNews
NEW Record immigration to the UK revealed in figures from
@ONS
.

Figures are for the 12 months to the end of June 2022.

“Overall, net migration continued to add to the population.. with an estimated 504,000 more people arriving long-term to the UK than departing

Long-term immigration to UK estimated at 1.1 million, says
@ONS
- up 435,000 compared with previous year.

“This was primarily driven by the immigration of non-EU nationals, accounting for an estimated 66% of total immigration (704,000)

At 504,000 net migration to UK (immigration minus emigration) was up 331,000 compared with a year earlier.

It’s a record figure - and 404,000 above the level (“tens of thousands’) Home Secretary
@SuellaBraverman
would like to see - and which used to be the Government’s target

Why immigration so high in year to June?

@ONS
says “unique” period:

- recovery in travel post-Covid
- many more non-EU students (277,000)
- new immigration system after Brexit
- visas for people from Ukraine, Afghanistan & Hong Kong (267,000)

Small boat arrivals: 35,000

[Stairway 2 7]

Spending my time watching idiotic brexit ****my fans fuming is making my day today. Roond yous, send plenty up to Scotland please

Julia Hartley-Brewer
@JuliaHB1

These new ONS migrant figures are just astonishing. An extra HALF A MILLION people living in this country in the past year.

But where are the extra homes, schools, GP surgeries and every other public service to meet that extra need?
Who voted for mass immigration on this scale

Patrick O'Flynn
@oflynnsocial
500k+ net immigration under the Tories. Unbelievable. Game over. Shut the door behind you on the way out please

@PaulEmbery
·
A city the size of Liverpool. In a single year. Completely unsustainable

[Northernhibee]

Dehenna Davidson to stand down at the next election. Absolutely nothing to do with having sod all chance of retaining her seat of course.

[cabbageandribs1875]

not the tories fault this time, why on earth did this watchdog think that this would be acceptable in the first place, how freakin out of touch are they ffs, i'm sure they do realise that the pigs at the trough refuse to open their wallets/purses for absolutely anything already

MP expenses Watchdog apologises for telling politicians to claim for Christmas parties (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/mp-expenses-watchdog-apologises-for-telling-politicians-to-claim-for-christmas-parties/ar-AA14wg21?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=31d00b1ba1784fa9a0fc671e8df4f338)

[blackpoolhibs]

I don't restrict it to elected politicians, if that helps.
:faf:

[grunt]

As the greatest public health emergency for a century brought illness, bereavement and hardship to millions in the UK and presented taxpayers with a £75bn bill for extra health spending, a smaller band of opportunists was using that cash to fund the richest of private paydays. This is the story of the Covid profiteers who took advantage of a country in crisis and the government that let them get away with it.

https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/profits-of-doom.pdf

[cabbageandribs1875]

priorities

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/316426313_5510671639031319_8432639409756072251_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=_jPtSjN0GJIAX-3-5pk&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfBft-NGCPthgpOOMThBgcY-Yl_zcHV__XvFxl3NFWY6gA&oe=6389C9D9

[Callum_62]

priorities

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/316426313_5510671639031319_8432639409756072251_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=_jPtSjN0GJIAX-3-5pk&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfBft-NGCPthgpOOMThBgcY-Yl_zcHV__XvFxl3NFWY6gA&oe=6389C9D9Have you heard about the ferries though?

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Have you heard about the ferries though?

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only from a poster totally obsessed with them


appears to be fine with all the Westminster corruption though

[cabbageandribs1875]

jings, hopefully calls for sackings from the British Nationalists up here

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/316160067_6238964222798360_6918868522302185471_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=O7_5DRJ4kEYAX_sa5o9&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCP7QPIvcLDGqkfF8-1VthkNl1cCnNiU0CJbtuSwM-hRw&oe=6389F360

[Ozyhibby]

jings, hopefully calls for sackings from the British Nationalists up here

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/316160067_6238964222798360_6918868522302185471_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=O7_5DRJ4kEYAX_sa5o9&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCP7QPIvcLDGqkfF8-1VthkNl1cCnNiU0CJbtuSwM-hRw&oe=6389F360

This should see the end of Sturgeon.[emoji35]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Think the price went from 15 billion to ending up 19 billion. Scotland will get 1.75 billion to spend because of it, hopefully they keep on building infrastructure projects

[Jack]

As the greatest public health emergency for a century brought illness, bereavement and hardship to millions in the UK and presented taxpayers with a £75bn bill for extra health spending, a smaller band of opportunists was using that cash to fund the richest of private paydays. This is the story of the Covid profiteers who took advantage of a country in crisis and the government that let them get away with it.

https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/profits-of-doom.pdf


My that's a long read 😉

A very well done to Private Eye, probably one of very few news outlets that don't give a blank what anyone thinks of them.

While they will probably see this as not much more than a Westminster piece it sharply draws into focus the difference between Westminster and Holyrood.

Yeah Holyrood makes mistakes and a couple of [hundred] million go awry now and again in the a quest for a good cause. At Westminster billions are quite deliberately hoovered up by mates and donors to the tory party party who flout the rules as it suits them.

[hibsbollah]

As the greatest public health emergency for a century brought illness, bereavement and hardship to millions in the UK and presented taxpayers with a £75bn bill for extra health spending, a smaller band of opportunists was using that cash to fund the richest of private paydays. This is the story of the Covid profiteers who took advantage of a country in crisis and the government that let them get away with it.

https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/profits-of-doom.pdf


That’s quite a brilliant expose, what I expect from PI. The founder of the Ministry of Sound super club, I knew there was something unsound about that place.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1597349091398549505

Nice to have it all in one place.

[grunt]

Rees-Mogg explaining why women who have been subjected to rape should be forced to give birth against their will. @GillianMacMSP has asked Sunak to condemn his comments.

https://twitter.com/Gemma_clark14/status/1597569952298504192?s=20&t=AXBjpaZRFTJSA_i8r8E8ZA

[grunt]

Electoral Commission warned British government privately that the introduction of voter ID is neither “secure” nor “workable”.

The government pushed on with Elections Act regardless.

https://t.co/3QfgNt2gzu

[Callum_62]

Rees-Mogg explaining why women who have been subjected to rape should be forced to give birth against their will. @GillianMacMSP has asked Sunak to condemn his comments.

https://twitter.com/Gemma_clark14/status/1597569952298504192?s=20&t=AXBjpaZRFTJSA_i8r8E8ZAWatch him snatch away as many benefits as possible from these same people too

Absolute twat

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[CropleyWasGod]

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1597937207238881281?t=oYnqt6hhG2nUg7i4UJVqvw&s=19

[Stairway 2 7]

Rishis good old super spreader eat out help out cost billions in companies bumping us, along with dodgy furlough claims

https://news.sky.com/story/16345bn-lost-to-fraud-in-three-covid-schemes-as-rishi-sunaks-eat-out-to-help-out-scheme-recorded-95-rate-of-fraud-hmrc-says-12758935?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter



The total value of fraud in three COVID-19 schemes totalled £4.5bn, of which the taxpayer is only going to get £1.1bn back, the head of HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) has told MPs.

Speaking at the Treasury Committee on Wednesday, HMRC chief executive Jim Harra said the £4.5bn was lost to fraud in the furlough, self employed support, and Eat Out to Help Out COVID-19 schemes

[Stairway 2 7]

But some poor private school kids will have to go to state school

Taj Ali
@Taj_Ali1
·
Taxpayers have forked out over £17m to subsidise MPs' meals in just 3 years

We subsidise private schools who benefit from tax exemptions of 3 billion a year

Meanwhile, public sector workers are expected to endure real-terms pay cuts and hungry kids are denied free school meals

[cabbageandribs1875]

so that's Trump and Johnson standing next elections, two pieces of utter ****e that can't be flushed

[Callum_62]

so that's Trump and Johnson standing next elections, two pieces of utter ****e that can't be flushedIf he's looking like losing at the time he wont

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20622117/senior-tory-mp-reported-police-rape-allegations/


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[Stairway 2 7]

Another rat leaving the sinking ship, that's 4 I believe won't stand in next elections

@sajidjavid
After much reflection I have decided that I will not be standing again at the next General Election.

Serving as the Member of Parliament for Bromsgrove remains an incredible privilege, and I will continue to support the Government and the causes I believe in.

[Mibbes Aye]

Another rat leaving the sinking ship, that's 4 I believe won't stand in next elections

@sajidjavid
After much reflection I have decided that I will not be standing again at the next General Election.

Serving as the Member of Parliament for Bromsgrove remains an incredible privilege, and I will continue to support the Government and the causes I believe in.

I think it is in double figures for Tories now. There are a couple at least who are going because of boundary changes and a couple who are openly scunnered but clearly some who have looked at the electoral math and thought they have no chance.

I think all sitting Tory MPs have to confirm whether they are standing by Monday so I wouldn’t be surprised to see some more announce their departure over the weekend.

[Mr Grieves]

Another rat leaving the sinking ship, that's 4 I believe won't stand in next elections

@sajidjavid
After much reflection I have decided that I will not be standing again at the next General Election.

Serving as the Member of Parliament for Bromsgrove remains an incredible privilege, and I will continue to support the Government and the causes I believe in.

13 of them jumping ship so far

https://twitter.com/DominicPenna/status/1598653161698459650?t=gP09ZfjxFRoWwNzI4VCS-w&s=19

[Bostonhibby]

I think it is in double figures for Tories now. There are a couple at least who are going because of boundary changes and a couple who are openly scunnered but clearly some who have looked at the electoral math and thought they have no chance.

I think all sitting Tory MPs have to confirm whether they are standing by Monday so I wouldn’t be surprised to see some more announce their departure over the weekend.Lucrative directorships and the chance to reacquaint themselves with, and cash in in on shareholdings await.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/19/sajid-javid-under-pressure-over-share-options-in-us-health-tech-firm

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Expel Michelle Mone from the Lords (38degrees.org.uk) (https://act.38degrees.org.uk/act/expel-michelle-mone-lords-petition?fbclid=IwAR0YaXSli99pGYJQbjGfMhJy0coKdm4d wJj7ghWE_B_Hsvu8ddjATdKFxno) this yin should be in front of a high court judge, at least she would maybe get 60 mins community service

[davy67 +]

Another rat leaving the sinking ship, that's 4 I believe won't stand in next elections

@sajidjavid
After much reflection I have decided that I will not be standing again at the next General Election.

Serving as the Member of Parliament for Bromsgrove remains an incredible privilege, and I will continue to support the Government and the causes I believe in.

Hopefully come Election night. de Pfeffel will be standing with a face like a smacked arse , when he gets slung by on his ear

[J-C]

:faf:

I had a wee giggle to myself at that one too 🤣

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1599121224340307968?s=46&t=fTCNilGFZX9XCR6a6_SyGA


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[Stairway 2 7]

Zahawi is a 🤡

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1599335366992875520

[hibsbollah]

Zahawi is a 🤡

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1599335366992875520

It’s a disgraceful thing for him to say, absolute ****.

[OldEast]

It’s a disgraceful thing for him to say, absolute ****.

Tory cabinet minister. Ergo a heartless ****.

[Glory Lurker]

He said same on BBC. It's the official line. I expect the Tory front pages to repeat it tomorrow.

[Smartie]

It's got "brainchild of a new squad of SPADS" written all over it.

They've got to carry out some difficult and unpopular stuff, Putin and Russia are unpopular and if somehow they can connect the 2 then the Tories might just get away with their role in it.

They might have got away with it a couple of years ago but their credibility is shot and I don't see anyone falling for it.

It should offend me but it's pitiful, laughable and ridiculous rather than objectionable imo.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Liar Liar, in the Tory thread because he IS a Tory, and a damn liar to boot (2) Saul Staniforth on Twitter: ""Can you guarantee that under your leadership the 2019 commitment to nationalise water, energy, rail, the Royal Mail, they'll all be in Labs next election manifesto?" Starmer "I've made that commitment" 18 months later... Starmer "I didnt make a commitment to nationalisation" https://t.co/GBXPB1DTe5" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1599303074740203521)

[Since90+2]

Liar Liar, in the Tory thread because he IS a Tory, and a damn liar to boot (2) Saul Staniforth on Twitter: ""Can you guarantee that under your leadership the 2019 commitment to nationalise water, energy, rail, the Royal Mail, they'll all be in Labs next election manifesto?" Starmer "I've made that commitment" 18 months later... Starmer "I didnt make a commitment to nationalisation" https://t.co/GBXPB1DTe5" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1599303074740203521)

He's not a Tory.

He might not be what you see as an ideal Labour leader, but he's not a Tory.

He'll also win Labour the next election and it was always going to be the case they needed a centrist leader to achieve that. Once in power, they have the choice to enact left of center policies if they wish, which I wouldn't be surprised to see (atleast to a certain degree).

[Jack]

He's not a Tory.

He might not be what you see as an ideal Labour leader, but he's not a Tory.

He'll also win Labour the next election and it was always going to be the case they needed a centrist leader to achieve that. Once in power, they have the choice to enact left of center policies if they wish, which I wouldn't be surprised to see (atleast to a certain degree).

To be fair that's more or less what he did to win the Labour leadership was it not? Said one thing and once in the job abandoned what he'd 'promised'.

[grunt]

They need us more than we need them (part 198) ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjLO_ZBWYAEgPyD?format=jpg&name=large

[Ozyhibby]

They need us more than we need them (part 198) ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjLO_ZBWYAEgPyD?format=jpg&name=large

Careful, that’s getting close to Indy talk. You’ll get this thread closed as well.


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[grunt]

Careful, that’s getting close to Indy talk. You’ll get this thread closed as well.
I hope not, that is not my intention. But are you saying that as well as not being allowed a referendum by the Tories, we're also not even allowed to talk about it?

[Ozyhibby]

I hope not, that is not my intention. But are you saying that as well as not being allowed a referendum by the Tories, we're also not even allowed to talk about it?

I’m not even sure we are allowed to talk about not being allowed to talk about it. Best play it safe.


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[archie]

They need us more than we need them (part 198) ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjLO_ZBWYAEgPyD?format=jpg&name=large

Could you share the source for this please?

[grunt]

Could you share the source for this please?https://www.nationalgrideso.com/document/264441/download

[archie]

They need us more than we need them (part 198) ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjLO_ZBWYAEgPyD?format=jpg&name=large

Thanks for sending the link. What do you think this shows?

[JimBHibees]

They need us more than we need them (part 198) ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjLO_ZBWYAEgPyD?format=jpg&name=large

What is the rational for the increase between the dates?

[archie]

Grunt will come in I'm sure, but it looks to me to be a paper on the need to strengthen the GB network to deal with projected growth in renewables capacity and projected demand. It's part of a set of slides on a whole system approach to the distribution network as part of strategies to get to net zero. My assumption is that the growth in demand is driven by the move to air source and ground source heat pumps rather than gas boilers. But I have only skimmed it.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221205/6d6c661b5b694ec5d3945c6549d3b76e.jpg


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[grunt]

Thanks for sending the link. What do you think this shows?


What is the rational for the increase between the dates?

The paper is prepared by the National Grid ESO (Electricity System Operator) whose role is


Our control room moves electricity around the country second by second to ensure that the right amount of electricity is where it’s needed, when it’s needed – always keeping supply and demand in perfect balance.


We also have to plan for the future.We must think about things like where our energy will come from and how we will operate a greener and cleaner system in the future.
We want to be able to run a zero carbon electricity system by 2025, which will be crucial in helping the UK meet its wider zero carbon target.

The graphic is from their Future Energy Scenarios 2022 report where they consider
Future Energy Scenarios (FES) represent a range of different, credible ways to decarbonise our energy system as we strive towards the 2050 target.

Website here: https://www.nationalgrideso.com/electricity-transmission/

[grunt]

I thought Michelle Mone said that Medpro was nothing to do with her?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjMqK68XgAAFbQ-?format=jpg&name=large

[McSwanky]

I thought Michelle Mone said that Medpro was nothing to do with her?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjMqK68XgAAFbQ-?format=jpg&name=largeidentifingy [emoji16]

[grunt]

Gordon Brown tells Andrew Marr the Conservative government since 2019 has been the most corrupt for "at least a century."

[Hibbyradge]

https://i.postimg.cc/J4VHPNG2/FB-IMG-1670265295873.jpg

[Kato]

https://i.postimg.cc/J4VHPNG2/FB-IMG-1670265295873.jpgThat is the current Tory Party logic. Nurses should take a hit because Putin (their ally for years) is waging war.

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[Hibbyradge]

That is the current Tory Party logic. Nurses should take a hit because Putin (their ally for years) is waging war.

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Exactly.

[Jack]

https://i.postimg.cc/J4VHPNG2/FB-IMG-1670265295873.jpg

Have the torys ever mentioned they're returning the £4m or so they received from the Russians?

[Kato]

Have the torys ever mentioned they're returning the £4m or so they received from the Russians?£1.9m since Boris became leader, probably £8m since 2008.

I will never understand how this has been normalised.

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[hibsbollah]

Mone to take ‘leave of absence ‘ from HoL to ,clear her name’ according to ‘her spokesman’ :sick:

She’s only actually attended sessions 5 times in seven years so not really as newsworthy as it sounds…

[Bristolhibby]

Mone to take ‘leave of absence ‘ from HoL to ,clear her name’ according to ‘her spokesman’ :sick:

She’s only actually attended sessions 5 times in seven years so not really as newsworthy as it sounds…

She sounds bat**** crazy, and a thief.

I really hope she does some jail time.

Have a read of this times article on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/z6t9jc/i_interviewed_michelle_mone_she_makes_every/

[Ozyhibby]

She sounds bat**** crazy, and a thief.

I really hope she does some jail time.

Have a read of this times article on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/z6t9jc/i_interviewed_michelle_mone_she_makes_every/

Zero chance that she goes to jail. She’s well protected.


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[Jack]

Zero chance that she goes to jail. She’s well protected.


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Jeffrey Archer went to jail, so if she's guilty, there's hope!

[cabbageandribs1875]

she doesn't have to declare her financial interests now


£29m for her
£36m for him

£200m+ for Medpro for useless ppe


one of the biggest robberies

from 2015 i think


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjS1FRQagAA6f0a?format=png&name=small


try stay classy Baroness Fraud

[Since90+2]

she doesn't have to declare her financial interests now


£29m for her
£36m for him

£200m+ for Medpro for useless ppe


one of the biggest robberies

from 2015 i think


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjS1FRQagAA6f0a?format=png&name=small


try stay classy Baroness Fraud

That surely isn't real?

[wookie70]

Zero chance that she goes to jail. She’s well protected.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Rioters do time for steeling a bottle of water, protesters for sitting in the roads but I agree no chance she does time for stealing at least £29 Million at a time of National Crisis and what could have caused death to health workers. She is exactly the type of person the jails should be stuffed full off along with many that served in this and the last couple of governments. We are essentially being ran by the Eton Mafia and they control teh cops and courts

[Bostonhibby]

Zero chance that she goes to jail. She’s well protected.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe ludicrous thing is, you are probably right, even at this level of thievery she is miles off being the worst in a den of thieves facilitated by lord Deighton's fast track.

She might actually have been so pissed off because she wasn't quick enough getting there?

Interesting to see Hancock putting the boot in. I am really looking forward to reading his diary entries relating to his pub landlords successful PPE bid.

Prosecutions? Not a hope in hell, even by an incoming labour government.

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[Mr Grieves]

That surely isn't real?

It's real

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/michelle-mone-launches-blistering-attack-snp-moron-mp-1432783

[degenerated]

That surely isn't real?She's a complete fruit loop with a history of bizarre and horrible behaviour. She vandalised her ex husband's motor, was outed for promoting fake diet pills, got caught bugging an employees office with listening device and not so long ago she was in the papers again for telling an Indian guy he was "a waste of a white man's skin"

She did once say that people who steal don't deserve human rights, so she has that going for her I guess :hilarious

[Since90+2]

It's real

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/michelle-mone-launches-blistering-attack-snp-moron-mp-1432783

The fact that we have someone in our House of "Lords" that thinks it's acceptable to speak to an elected politician like that is horrendous.

If ever there was an argument for scrapping the HOL then Mone is it, nasty piece of work.

[Ozyhibby]

The fact that we have someone in our House of "Lords" that thinks it's acceptable to speak to an elected politician like that is horrendous.

If ever there was an argument for scrapping the HOL then Mone is it, nasty piece of work.

She was put there as reward for her work for Better Together.


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[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/WritesBright/status/1600218809540890624?t=F2d5FMFvMP6d0A09s5b0JA&s=19

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[Jack]

Private Eye having a pop at the BBC over the Mone story. Also reminding us and investigators that Mone was not alone, there's worse, so more to come hopefully.

https://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1587/media-news

[Smartie]

In some ways I fear for her safety and it might be in her best interests that the law catches up with her and deals out justice in the most appropriate way.

If folk are going to be cold and hungry over the next few years, it might not be the smartest thing for her to be walking free amongst the public having stolen significant sums of money from them and then evaded any form of formal justice.

We had a quite interesting sidetrack a few pages ago when we discussed the fantasy of committing acts of violence on politicians, which some people found quite appalling. Whilst most of us can have a fleeting thought about such things before getting on with our days, there are some who don't have such robust self-restraint mechanisms. And the current Raheem Stirling situation shows that whilst society has deemed it acceptable for some people to acquire fairly obscene levels of wealth, that now appears to paint a rather unwelcome target on the backs of them and their families.

These are some of the dangers of having a government as corrupt as ours, and having an elite class whose wealth can generally allow them to evade normal justice, law and order.

[Ozyhibby]

In some ways I fear for her safety and it might be in her best interests that the law catches up with her and deals out justice in the most appropriate way.

If folk are going to be cold and hungry over the next few years, it might not be the smartest thing for her to be walking free amongst the public having stolen significant sums of money from them and then evaded any form of formal justice.

We had a quite interesting sidetrack a few pages ago when we discussed the fantasy of committing acts of violence on politicians, which some people found quite appalling. Whilst most of us can have a fleeting thought about such things before getting on with our days, there are some who don't have such robust self-restraint mechanisms. And the current Raheem Stirling situation shows that whilst society has deemed it acceptable for some people to acquire fairly obscene levels of wealth, that now appears to paint a rather unwelcome target on the backs of them and their families.

These are some of the dangers of having a government as corrupt as ours, and having an elite class whose wealth can generally allow them to evade normal justice, law and order.

Pretty sure she lives in Isle of Man for obvious reasons.


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[hibsbollah]

Tories in hiding as Commons scrutinises Michelle Mone’s Covid fortunes | John Crace | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/06/tories-duck-for-cover-as-commons-probes-michelle-mones-covid-fortunes)

John Crace very good, and pointing out that the parliamentary systems function is not to make sure Mone is brought to book, or ensure appropriate behaviour is maintained, but actually serves to protect her (Rayner repeatedly reminded not to mention Mones name in questions, or to suggest she had done anything wrong. Even though she evidently has).

If Gordon Brown wants to do something with the Constitutional Review, it has to be proper independent oversight of the whole parliamentary institution, and a non partisan approach to politics in the upper house. Otherwise croneyism is never going to stop.

[Ozyhibby]

Tories in hiding as Commons scrutinises Michelle Mone’s Covid fortunes | John Crace | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/06/tories-duck-for-cover-as-commons-probes-michelle-mones-covid-fortunes)

John Crace very good, and pointing out that the parliamentary systems function is not to make sure Mone is brought to book, or ensure appropriate behaviour is maintained, but actually serves to protect her (Rayner repeatedly reminded not to mention Mones name in questions, or to suggest she had done anything wrong. Even though she evidently has).

If Gordon Brown wants to do something with the Constitutional Review, it has to be proper independent oversight of the whole parliamentary institution, and a non partisan approach to politics in the upper house. Otherwise croneyism is never going to stop.

Your making the mistake in thinking Brown and Starmer want real change.


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[hibsbollah]

Your making the mistake in thinking Brown and Starmer want real change.


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I know they want votes.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1600481328360615937?s=46&t=kiAgBBBTda2k2BsH-4CfAw

The Scottish Tory talent pool.[emoji23]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1600481328360615937?s=46&t=kiAgBBBTda2k2BsH-4CfAw

The Scottish Tory talent pool.[emoji23]


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Can't watch politicians now, spin, bull£#!t, lie, repeat

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1600481328360615937?s=46&t=kiAgBBBTda2k2BsH-4CfAw

The Scottish Tory talent pool.[emoji23]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWouldn't last a minute in a real job. Pipsqueek.

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[Stairway 2 7]

The blunt reality for many due to the Tories destroying the economy

https://www.ft.com/content/a5839336-fe3a-470a-b20d-a4a4c7b65ef8

The women turning to sex work to make ends meet
As the cost of living crisis spreads, more women are starting to sell sex and many are taking greater risks

[grunt]

BREAKING : Levelling-Up Secretary Michael Gove has granted planning permission for a new coal mine in Cumbria

[CropleyWasGod]

The blunt reality for many due to the Tories destroying the economy

https://www.ft.com/content/a5839336-fe3a-470a-b20d-a4a4c7b65ef8

The women turning to sex work to make ends meet
As the cost of living crisis spreads, more women are starting to sell sex and many are taking greater risks

More in-depth here, without a paywall.

https://decrimnow.org.uk/hookers-against-hardship/

[degenerated]

BREAKING : Levelling-Up Secretary Michael Gove has granted planning permission for a new coal mine in CumbriaIsn't that a local authority function? If he is bypassing that down south how long before he starts overturns planning application rejections for fracking in Scotland?

[Stairway 2 7]

More in-depth here, without a paywall.

https://decrimnow.org.uk/hookers-against-hardship/

Ah sorry paywalless

https://archive.ph/8bwVg

[Mibbes Aye]

Isn't that a local authority function? If he is bypassing that down south how long before he starts overturns planning application rejections for fracking in Scotland?

It could be quite a while as he doesn't have the power to grant licences, Scottish ministers do.

[Moulin Yarns]

It could be quite a while as he doesn't have the power to grant licences, Scottish ministers do.

He also doesn't have the power to decide what roads to improve but in Scotland but it hasn't stopped them saying that they will improve the A1 and A75 north of the border


https://www.itv.com/news/border/2022-11-21/mp-welcomes-5-million-funding-for-a75-improvement-study

[Ozyhibby]

It could be quite a while as he doesn't have the power to grant licences, Scottish ministers do.

They do have the power to change that if they so wish as evidenced recently.


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