Tories are still lying *******s

[Willis1875]

Andrew Neil
“50/50 chance PM will be gone by the morning”

[cabbageandribs1875]

i was reading earlier some Truss aides from a few years back gave excuses a couple of times that relatives of truss had died/etc so she could avoid being questioned, she once only agreed to appear on a question time show if an un-named man wasn't asking her the questions, only to find out a change took place just before the show and this un-named gent did indeed question her, Lizzy would be Fizzing, she doesn't like getting tough questions much like her bare-faced lying predecessor.

[davy67 +]

This is now beyond a joke it's no longer funny and is embarrassing, we used to laugh at the shenanigans in other countries , well now those countries are laughing at us

[degenerated]

Just catching up on the last few pages.

Some times we’re living through.

Am I the only one that hears franking machine and mail and thinks of Quadrophenia/ Phil Daniels, the sample of which appears in Flowered Up’s Weekender?

Adds a different slant to some of these resignations anyway.That was actually the first thing I thought of :hilarious

[Willis1875]

https://twitter.com/danjohnsonnews/status/1582808074875973633?s=46&t=-ELibaf4c6ULncIICWya0A
Doesn’t mince his words

[Stairway 2 7]

What a joke


Alan McGuinness
@Alan_McGuinness
·
My son has lived through four chancellors, three home secretaries, two prime ministers and two monarchs.

He's four months old.

[wookie70]

https://twitter.com/danjohnsonnews/status/1582808074875973633?s=46&t=-ELibaf4c6ULncIICWya0A
Doesn’t mince his words They can't hide it though. He is basically laid out his priorities. Him having a job, Him having a promotion. His party being successful and a brief mention of his constituents and the country. A completely classless act

[makaveli1875]

This is now beyond a joke it's no longer funny and is embarrassing, we used to laugh at the shenanigans in other countries , well now those countries are laughing at us

Nothing about Liz truss has been funny it’s been ****ing tragic from day 1

[Kato]

They can't hide it though. He is basically laid out his priorities. Him having a job, Him having a promotion. His party being successful and a brief mention of his constituents and the country. A completely classless act...and supposed to be one of their "good guys".

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[Northernhibee]

Krishnan Guru Murphy apologises to Steve Baker, appears he mumbled that he’s a **** off air :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Plenty Tories abstaining, including Liz Truss. Rumours she fired the chief whip in the division lobby. This is utterly mental.

It’s a massively important issue reduced to a nod through from a party that isn’t even voting on the issue at hand.

[DaveF]

They can't hide it though. He is basically laid out his priorities. Him having a job, Him having a promotion. His party being successful and a brief mention of his constituents and the country. A completely classless act

Yep. He only just remembered to mention the country after listing all his other priorities first.

[Stairway 2 7]

Don't think the thick of it was this far fetched


Aubrey Allegretti
@breeallegretti
A Tory MP says the deputy chief whip, Craig Whittaker, just exclaimed as he exited the voting lobby: “I am ****ing furious and I don’t give a **** anymore

[Paul1642]

I am well past the stage of finding anything about this remotely funny. Brexit aside, they have caused more damage to this country in a couple of weeks than any other government has managed in a full term.

[Northernhibee]

I am well past the stage of finding anything about this remotely funny. Brexit aside, they have caused more damage to this country in a couple of weeks than any other government has managed in a full term.
It’s horrifying.

[Kato]

Don't think the thick of it was this far fetched


Aubrey Allegretti
@breeallegretti
A Tory MP says the deputy chief whip, Craig Whittaker, just exclaimed as he exited the voting lobby: “I am ****ing furious and I don’t give a **** anymorehttps://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1582803182270713856?t=koT1sDRmCj2Y_qQa2Tt5XA&s=19

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Don't think the thick of it was this far fetched


Aubrey Allegretti
@breeallegretti
A Tory MP says the deputy chief whip, Craig Whittaker, just exclaimed as he exited the voting lobby: “I am ****ing furious and I don’t give a **** anymore

I can't keep up any longer. What's happened now?

[Paul1642]

I can't keep up any longer. What's happened now?

This. Turn off the news for a few hours and try drama gets ahead of you.

[hibsbollah]

I can't keep up any longer. What's happened now?

The Tories have banned franking machines and the country is going to the dogs.

[Bristolhibby]

And there is **** all we can do to force a General Election. It’s up to Tory MPs to do what’s in the National interest (a GE) instead they will look after their own interests and their own jobs.

Selfish bar stewards.

J

[wookie70]

The Tories on cleaning up elections - pot - kettle. Look at the undue influence part as that is what should be applied to those shouting and pushing. https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2021-05-12/hcws10

Here is the current wording on undue influence from what I can see. Can any of those involved be charged.


Undue influence.


(1)
A person shall be guilty of a corrupt practice if he is guilty of undue influence.

(2)
A person shall be guilty of undue influence—

(a)
if he, directly or indirectly, by himself or by any other person on his behalf, makes use of or threatens to make use of any force, violence or restraint, or inflicts or threatens to inflict, by himself or by any other person, any temporal or spiritual injury, damage, harm or loss upon or against any person in order to induce or compel that person to vote or refrain from voting, or on account of that person having voted or refrained from voting; or

[Pretty Boy]

This is both hilarious and terrifying. We are essentially operating without a functioning government.

The thought of Tories battering each other to vote a certain way is funny. The mess they are creating and the fact they may be able to continue making it for another couple of years is frightening. Surely we will be at the polls before Christmas or very shortly after?

[wookie70]

This is both hilarious and terrifying. We are essentially operating without a functioning government.

The thought of Tories battering each other to vote a certain way is funny. The mess they are creating and the fact they may be able to continue making it for another couple of years is frightening. Surely we will be at the polls before Christmas or very shortly after?

Have we had a functioning government since Johnston came to power. It has been one scandal after the next changes in key positions so none of them have a clue about the brief. Yes, it is worse now but it was still a total disgrace under the previous incumbent

[Stairway 2 7]

I can't keep up any longer. What's happened now?

From what I can gather it was all pretty normal..

Tories said mps would lose the whip if they voted against. It looked like dozens were going to still appose the government, so the gov changed their mind during the vote.

Coffeey and mogg stood at the front shouting we've changed our mind. Started pulling mps into the voting lobby one by one. Chief whip shouted out loud I'm not Chief whip everyone. Chief whip and deputy had shouting match. Deputy shouted **** this it's a ****ing farce and walked out.

Truss was running around trying to stop the revolution, so she missed the vote. One mp told Mogg t f himself in front of everyone.

That's it so far I believe 😆

[Kato]

I can't keep up any longer. What's happened now?The Tories' cocaine dealer has been awol for two weeks, the mood swings and cravings are kicking in big style.

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[Northernhibee]

This is both hilarious and terrifying. We are essentially operating without a functioning government.

The thought of Tories battering each other to vote a certain way is funny. The mess they are creating and the fact they may be able to continue making it for another couple of years is frightening. Surely we will be at the polls before Christmas or very shortly after?

Even if someone like Mordaunt or Badenoch were able to hold them together for a bit, they're too divided to unify. It has to end at the polls, and the more chaos they reap the more seats they'll lose.

[Jones28]

The Secret Tory tweeting the Health Sec has gone?

[Jones28]

I was finding this all funny.

I’m not anymore. It’s very hard to laugh at something so ridiculous.

[DaveF]

The Secret Tory tweeting the Health Sec has gone?

Remind me who the health secretary is? (this week anyway)

[McD]

The Secret Tory tweeting the Health Sec has gone?


are we watching (what’s left of) the government tearing itself apart and collapsing in real time?

it’s absolutely ludicrous and almost unbelievable

[Jones28]

Remind me who the health secretary is? (this week anyway)

Therese Koffey - she’s also deputy PM.

She’s a smoker who has proudly voted against measures like banning smoking in cards with kids in. A real charmer.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/LeonB55492344/status/1582176188453113857?t=bfAXUfiJBnUUAS5Cj9CfCA&s=19

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[Jones28]

are we watching (what’s left of) the government tearing itself apart and collapsing in real time?

it’s absolutely ludicrous and almost unbelievable

I think we are.

Some of the tweets coming out from Westminster are quite ludicrous. Anger, fighting and people telling Rees Mogg to **** off. Not just people on the street as normal, conservative colleagues.

[Jones28]

Jambo **** Ian Murray’s latest tweet is quite shocking:

I’ve never seen scenes like it at the entrance to a voting lobby. Tories on open warfare. Jostling and Rees Mogg shouting at his colleagues. Whips screaming at Tories.
They are done and should call a general election.
Two Tory whips dragging people in. Shocking

[cabbageandribs1875]

i think it's actually starting to get quite funny

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/312413717_551103177019097_4918199141789332027_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=s7BXAU23MAoAX_VUIB2&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT8BOBOpsvuQdafxBWVlH-lQ4KwkC043gytZ6E2wkhBT9A&oe=6354809A


i think

[Kato]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/liz-truss-aides-pretended-family-members-had-died-to-avoid-bbc-question-time_uk_634fb2a4e4b04cf8f37def00

Story about Truss's lying about family members dieing so should could avoid interviews.

This is the calibre of person that has found her way to the top of the Tory Party. Like Boris, totally juvenile.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Labour Party video


https://youtu.be/aIdYimOPhnc

[Just_Jimmy]

I am well past the stage of finding anything about this remotely funny. Brexit aside, they have caused more damage to this country in a couple of weeks than any other government has managed in a full term.Anyone with an ounce of common sense or decency saw it coming.

She's ****ing thick as pig ****. I've said time and again on here, I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone looks at Boris ****ing johnston never mind her... and thinks they are fit to hold the office of prime minister.

It goes deeper than that however. Public service, peoples prospects, basic requirements and needs... the country is ****ed and its beyond repair. A fully progressive government with throwing money at everything and genuinely trying to improve life for the many would take decades to right the mess... even then as a public service worker...I'm not convinced it's fixable.

The damage to standards of decency and the rule of law is beyond repair.

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[neil7908]

Krishnan Guru Murthy for the win.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/krishnan-guru-murthy-sorry-steve-baker-swear-b2206427.html

[Kato]

Anyone with an ounce of common sense or decency saw it coming.

She's ****ing thick as pig ****. I've said time and again on here, I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone looks at Boris ****ing johnston never mind her... and thinks they are fit to hold the office of prime minister.

It goes deeper than that however. Public service, peoples prospects, basic requirements and needs... the country is ****ed and its beyond repair. A fully progressive government with throwing money at everything and genuinely trying to improve life for the many would take decades to right the mess... even then as a public service worker...I'm not convinced it's fixable.

The damage to standards of decency and the rule of law is beyond repair.

Sent from my SM-G991B using TapatalkAs well as a lot of institutions, schools, "think tanks" etc rife with Russian money.

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[Stairway 2 7]

As well as a lot of institutions, schools, "think tanks" etc rife with Russian money.

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Chinese money in UK institutions completely dwarfs Russian money, Saudi too actually but not nearly as much as China. Its a ticking time bomb the power over uk institutions China has

[Stairway 2 7]

Is this real life or The day today

https://mobile.twitter.com/notinaboyband/status/1582843224132972544

Absolutely incredible opening to itv news tonight

[Callum_62]

She what now?

https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1582844078345289729?t=Bf42Slb0vA0jTMg7NkgTwA&s=19

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[Stairway 2 7]

She what now?

https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1582844078345289729?t=Bf42Slb0vA0jTMg7NkgTwA&s=19

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What.. does Schapps know. Actually mental

[Hibernia&Alba]

Is this real life or The day today

https://mobile.twitter.com/notinaboyband/status/1582843224132972544

Absolutely incredible opening to itv news tonight

The Chief Whip is back in post? :confused:

This is difficult to follow now.

[Kato]

Caught a little bit Peston. Very grim faces at the farce, the harm being caused, the reputation and the future - of the Conservative Party.

Slogans about "growth" and "challenges".

A bunch of criminals who don't care a jot about anything other than themselves.

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[1875godsgift]

The Tories' cocaine dealer has been awol for two weeks, the mood swings and cravings are kicking in big style.

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Where's Boris gone??

[cabbageandribs1875]

Truss will become the 7th living Ex-premier to receive £115K/year for life, along with a chauffeur-driven car and round the clock protection, all for life


Cameron=56
Johnson=58
Truss=47
May=66
Blair=69
Brown=108
Major=79


that' some Bill

[Since90+2]

Truss will become the 7th living Ex-premier to receive £115K/year for life, along with a chauffeur-driven car and round the clock protection, all for life


Cameron=56
Johnson=58
Truss=47
May=66
Blair=69
Brown=108
Major=79


that' some Bill

What do the numbers represent?

[DaveF]

What do the numbers represent?

I was going to suggest age but Brown looks older than that.

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1582969344803602432?t=a3xA2KA0VdTjHQvH-HLBRw&s=19

Is that now a u turn on a u turn?

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[Scorrie]

Is this real life or The day today

https://mobile.twitter.com/notinaboyband/status/1582843224132972544

Absolutely incredible opening to itv news tonight

I started watching the news at about 7pm last night. Ended up with a couple of cans and some nachos and binge watched for next 3 hours. Great entertainment but seriously, in Parliament? This is meant to be the mother of parliaments. Absolutely shambolic

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1582969344803602432?t=a3xA2KA0VdTjHQvH-HLBRw&s=19

Is that now a u turn on a u turn?

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Seems like they realised they couldn't remove the whip from so many so decided to remove confidence vote. Whips go nuts as they have been working on it all day, say they have resigned. To keep whips and save government, they post vote say it actually was a confidence vote.

Do they have the power left to remove whip from all these mps. I doubt it, slap on the wrist and beg people to move on

[Stairway 2 7]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-motion-that-would-have-forced-a-vote-on-a-bill-to-ban-fracking-is-defeated-12724777

No votes were recorded for several senior Tories including Boris Johnson, Nadine Dorries, David Davis, Greg Clark, Sir Iain Duncan Smith, Kwasi Kwarteng, Theresa May, Wendy Morton, Alok Sharma, Priti Patel and Ben Wallace

[GlesgaeHibby]

Seems like they realised they couldn't remove the whip from so many so decided to remove confidence vote. Whips go nuts as they have been working on it all day, say they have resigned. To keep whips and save government, they post vote say it actually was a confidence vote.

Do they have the power left to remove whip from all these mps. I doubt it, slap on the wrist and beg people to move on

A more awful punishment at this stage would be to give them Ministerial roles :greengrin

[GlesgaeHibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-motion-that-would-have-forced-a-vote-on-a-bill-to-ban-fracking-is-defeated-12724777

No votes were recorded for several senior Tories including Boris Johnson, Nadine Dorries, David Davis, Greg Clark, Sir Iain Duncan Smith, Kwasi Kwarteng, Theresa May, Wendy Morton, Alok Sharma, Priti Patel and Ben Wallace

He's on holiday, yet again. Chilling in the Caribbean whilst the bin fire that is the UK (that he started) is raging on. He managed to sort out his holiday spending money by stopping off in Colorado to get £150k for half an hours "work" by giving a speech to an insurance firm.

[Aldo]

Just catching up with all this and whilst watching the news I’m not sure I heard right - the current government want to bring in legislation to prevent striking by giving companies the power to order staff to work?? I’m nit sure how that’s going to work if there is a vote to strike?


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[hibsbollah]

I started watching the news at about 7pm last night. Ended up with a couple of cans and some nachos and binge watched for next 3 hours. Great entertainment but seriously, in Parliament? This is meant to be the mother of parliaments. Absolutely shambolic

Gazza in Rothbury in Raoul Moat standoff vibes.

[hibsbollah]

Jambo **** Ian Murray’s latest tweet is quite shocking:

I’ve never seen scenes like it at the entrance to a voting lobby. Tories on open warfare. Jostling and Rees Mogg shouting at his colleagues. Whips screaming at Tories.
They are done and should call a general election.
Two Tory whips dragging people in. Shocking

Is Murray talking about Hugo Smythe-Jostling, 18th Earl of Wimborne? I don’t suppose it matters, what counts is if he’s funded by the fossil fuels, tobacco, pharma or betting lobbies or a combination of all 3.

[Jones28]

Just catching up with all this and whilst watching the news I’m not sure I heard right - the current government want to bring in legislation to prevent striking by giving companies the power to order staff to work?? I’m nit sure how that’s going to work if there is a vote to strike?


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It’s a total nonsense anyway. What are firms going to do when there aren’t enough bodies to fill the jobs that strikers would presumably lose if this legislation went through?

[CropleyWasGod]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-motion-that-would-have-forced-a-vote-on-a-bill-to-ban-fracking-is-defeated-12724777

No votes were recorded for several senior Tories including Boris Johnson, Nadine Dorries, David Davis, Greg Clark, Sir Iain Duncan Smith, Kwasi Kwarteng, Theresa May, Wendy Morton, Alok Sharma, Priti Patel and Ben Wallace

Chances are they were paired with Opposition M.P.s , so they didn't need to vote.

Maybe:)

[Paulie Walnuts]

Imagine getting bullied by Jacob Rees Mogg.

[Aldo]

It’s a total nonsense anyway. What are firms going to do when there aren’t enough bodies to fill the jobs that strikers would presumably lose if this legislation went through?

Exactly. Power grab again by Tories which will end in tears.

Can you imagine companies telling a worker if you don’t work during strike you’ll be disciplined?? Easy way round it though…. Just phone in sick!

The next few hours/days are going to be very interesting with Truss and co put under extreme pressure from others and within their own party!


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[grunt]

https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1583032783844216833?s=20&t=ABdDFCLDryJrysJLIvMDwA


Tory MP texts: "It's happening. We are in the end game."

[Fuzzywuzzy]

The thing that grinds my gears is that all of these ****ers that are dipping in and out of these jobs for however long are going to pick up the pension for the position.

[overdrive]

The thing that grinds my gears is that all of these ****ers that are dipping in and out of these jobs for however long are going to pick up the pension for the position.

Severance too, so long as they don't take another eligible job within 3 weeks.

[Andy Bee]

Severance too, so long as they don't take another eligible job within 3 weeks.

£17k to Kwarteng for 38 days in the job, probably around the same as a social care worker earns in a year. It's ****** obscene.

[JeMeSouviens]

Graham Brady back into No 10. Maybe they just have really good biscuits? :wink:

[stu in nottingham]

Imagine getting bullied by Jacob Rees Mogg.

Like being savaged by a dead sheep.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Truss in a meeting with Graham Brady at her request.

Not sure what the protocol is for her resigning but could this be the beginning of the end?

[Bostonhibby]

Imagine getting bullied by Jacob Rees Mogg.Like being savaged by a sponge.

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[hibsbollah]

Like being savaged by a dead sheep.

Frankie Boyle on Rees Mogg;

“A composite figure drawn from the nightmares of 18th century millworkers. He looks like a Punch cartoon of the first giraffe in England."

[degenerated]

£17k to Kwarteng for 38 days in the job, probably around the same as a social care worker earns in a year. It's ****** obscene.Liz truss will get 115k a year for life for her stint

[Callum_62]

Are we starting to see some positive noises re mortgage rates

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2022/oct/20/cost-of-living-crisis-uk-economy-millions-skip-meals-sterling-bonds-business-live

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[SHODAN]

Truss resigns.

Sunak coronated without leadership election.

Announces sweeping cuts to public services, we're all in this together etc, austerity is back baby!

MSM back on side.

Tories win majority in 2024.

The pain continues.

[grunt]

Douglas Ross voted against continuing the ban on fracking.
Wonder if he wants it to take place in Moray.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfgkgQJXoAAqKEm?format=jpg&name=medium

[Paulie Walnuts]

Douglas Ross voted against continuing the ban on fracking.
Wonder if he wants it to take place in Moray.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfgkgQJXoAAqKEm?format=jpg&name=medium

I hate Douglas Ross with every inch of my being.

[Santa Cruz]

Grant Shapps hiring now, remit of the job will have changed since the vacancy was first posted. It says it's a permanent position. Very misleading, should read fixed term - 2 years max :greengrin

http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=86320

[Kato]

Are we starting to see some positive noises re decking mortgage rates

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2022/oct/20/cost-of-living-crisis-uk-economy-millions-skip-meals-sterling-bonds-business-live

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[Mon Dieu4]

Douglas Ross voted against continuing the ban on fracking.
Wonder if he wants it to take place in Moray.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfgkgQJXoAAqKEm?format=jpg&name=medium

Laws around Fracking are reserved so he's just voted in something that has zero impact on his constituency to show how good of a Tory he is, strange man

[WeeRussell]

Liz truss will get 115k a year for life for her stint

Please tell me that’s some sort of sick joke.

[Kato]

Please tell me that’s some sort of sick joke.It is a real sick joke.

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[degenerated]

Please tell me that’s some sort of sick joke.https://www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/public-duties-cost-allowance-liz-truss-will-be-able-to-claim-up-to-ps115000-per-year-to-maintain-public-duties-after-leaving-office-3882642

[Santa Cruz]

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/public-duties-cost-allowance-liz-truss-will-be-able-to-claim-up-to-ps115000-per-year-to-maintain-public-duties-after-leaving-office-3882642

Nick Clegg gets a payment, what a nonsense.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Downing Street statement at 1.30pm

[weecounty hibby]

Douglas Ross voted against continuing the ban on fracking.
Wonder if he wants it to take place in Moray.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfgkgQJXoAAqKEm?format=jpg&name=medium

Of course he would. Union above all else

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfgykR7XoAEiekk?format=jpg&name=medium

[Moulin Yarns]

Laws around Fracking are reserved so he's just voted in something that has zero impact on his constituency to show how good of a Tory he is, strange man

Whatever happened to EVEL??

[Ozyhibby]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfgykR7XoAEiekk?format=jpg&name=medium

Are things so bad we can’t get anyone to sweep the leaves in Downing Street?


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[Moulin Yarns]

Douglas Ross voted against continuing the ban on fracking.
Wonder if he wants it to take place in Moray.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfgkgQJXoAAqKEm?format=jpg&name=medium

One would hope he is aware of the geological areas where fracking is possible?

[WhileTheChief..]

If Liz steps down and the deputy PM takes over, can he immediately call an election?

I think that needs to happen before the Conservatives have there leadership context. They need to go into the election with one of the present lot in charge, lose big time, then start from scratch.

Labour or whoever deserve their chance now.

[SteveHFC]

Hopefully this statement is her confiirming she’s leaving.

[Bostonhibby]

One would hope he is aware of the geological areas where fracking is possible?I think it's the aware bit that he might have a problem with.

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[AgentDaleCooper]

Hopefully this statement is her confiirming she’s leaving.
Or that she'll lead them into a snap election - that would be an absolute hoot, not to mention probably saving thousands of lives

[grunt]

If Liz steps down and the deputy PM takes over, can he immediately call an election?

I think that needs to happen before the Conservatives have there leadership context. They need to go into the election with one of the present lot in charge, lose big time, then start from scratch.

Labour or whoever deserve their chance now.
Deputy PM is a she.

[SteveHFC]

Or that she'll lead them into a snap election - that would be an absolute hoot, not to mention probably saving thousands of lives

Liz Truss is resigning as per Sky sources.

[Jones28]

She’s going to start fracking in the back garden at Downing Street.


Or she’s off.

Could she call a general election as well?

[grunt]

Love this photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ffg0FfzXwAEByf-?format=jpg&name=900x900

[ronaldo7]

Douglas Ross backed her yesterday. He's got some track record that man. 😂

[Jones28]

Douglas Ross backed her yesterday. He's got some track record that man. 😂

I hope he comes out and backs St Johnston to win tomorrow night as well.

[Jones28]

Come on tae **** Liz, hurry up.


Ah she’s waiting for the Vicodin to kick in.

[weecounty hibby]

What a ****ing shambles, but aye we are definitely better being shackled to this absolute **** show than charting our own course. Even if they get horsed at the next election, as history shows, they'll be back in 10 years

[cabbageandribs1875]

Truss resigns lol


leadership election within the next week

[Moulin Yarns]

She doesn't look unhappy!! She has gone

[Bostonhibby]

Hopefully Larry the cat has got the nod ahead of Coffey.

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[SteveHFC]

Get a general election announced.

[Jones28]

**** sake, leadership election. Arrogant *****.

[silverhibee]

Another one bites the dust, how embarrassing.

[weecounty hibby]

So straight to another Tory PM. They are now just taking the piss out of everyone

[Jones28]

That smirk on her face. What a disgrace.

[Callum_62]

The lettuce wins

Cannie belive this hasn't lead to a GE

Ridiculous really

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Detestable

[weecounty hibby]

Cmon Scotland. Wake the **** up!! I can't begin to express how angry I am with this Westminster disgrace. There is no way that unionists can defend this embarrassment of democracies. And that's before you even get into denying a democratically elected government to carry out their mandate

[Santa Cruz]

Cmon Scotland. Wake the **** up!! I can't begin to express how angry I am with this Westminster disgrace. There is no way that unionists can defend this embarrassment of democracies. And that's before you even get into denying a democratically elected government to carry out their mandate

Vote Labour then. :aok:

[Bostonhibby]

The lettuce wins

Cannie belive this hasn't lead to a GE

Ridiculous really

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkI think the really need to have a serious word with that lettuce qs a natural replacement here, it has a certain gravitas that is plainly lacking in the current cabinet and it could be an intellectual soul mate for Coffey.

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[Hibbyradge]

I expect her to change her mind by this evening.

[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/jonathanpienews/status/1583074951846047745?s=46&t=3dp8xweGuK6hCzfqoLLImw

[weecounty hibby]

Vote Labour then. :aok:

Another democracy denying party. But I admire your effort 😀

[weecounty hibby]

How is Doogie Ross going to play this now. He must have locked himself in a cupboard by now!!

[cabbageandribs1875]

poor Liz O'Leary wasn't even there long enough to get a street named after her in Ukraine

[Ryan91]

It's beyond a parody now, there should be a general election called, but there won't be because there will be too many Tory MPs scared of losing their seats if they put themselves to the electorate.

[Ozyhibby]

Vote Labour then. :aok:

Scotland voted Labour in 2010. What did it get us? A Tory govt. again.


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[grunt]

Vote Labour then. :aok:A vote for Labour is a vote for Brexit. Who in their right mind wants that?

[Moulin Yarns]

The lettuce wins

Cannie belive this hasn't lead to a GE

Ridiculous really

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How many made money on truss going?

[WhileTheChief..]

They need to announce a GE, not a leadership contest.

If they choose Sunak or whoever, absolutely nothing will get done for 2 years. It will just be more of this.

We need a GE and fresh blood in the Commons.

[bringbackbenny]

And no apology for the chaos. Detestable pond life.

[WhileTheChief..]

Deputy PM is a she.

Cool. Can she call a GE immediately?

[Bostonhibby]

And no apology for the chaos. Detestable pond life.She must wake up in the middle of the night screaming about her ineffective and already diluted fuel price cap that isn't really a price cap. Had to mention it even today.

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[weecounty hibby]

They need to announce a GE, not a leadership contest.

If they choose Sunak or whoever, absolutely nothing will get done for 2 years. It will just be more of this.

We need a GE and fresh blood in the Commons.

Why would they announce a GE. They know they'll be pumped and they have 2 years to either make as much cash for themselves and their pals or to try to win back voters. Probably the former but they won't call a GE

[CropleyWasGod]

Cool. Can she call a GE immediately?

Truss is in office until the new leader is elected.


As an aside, if Truss doesn't like the new leader, she could call a GE before they are formally appointed by the King. :cb It's all very Francis Urquhart....

[Santa Cruz]

Scotland voted Labour in 2010. What did it get us? A Tory govt. again.


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Lots of people in the UK voted Labour too. The gig was up for Labour, they had held office for 13 years at that point. People will always want change imo. Anytime I vote, I vote Labour, but I accept they won't always hold office and I'm fine with that. It's not the sign of a healthy democracy when you end up being a one party state.

[Since90+2]

I remember looking back at Theresa May and thinking it surely can't get any worse than her. She wasn't the best, but she was levels above Boris and Truss.

[JeMeSouviens]

Cool. Can she call a GE immediately?

The monarch can - under royal prerogative which usually means at the request of the PM. Truss is still the PM as it stands.

[WhileTheChief..]

Why would they announce a GE. They know they'll be pumped and they have 2 years to either make as much cash for themselves and their pals or to try to win back voters. Probably the former but they won't call a GE

My view is that they are toast at the next election, whenever it is.

They'd better off losing now and then choosing their new leader from whoever they have left. It might even be a totally new face, although that is unlikely.

That gives the new leader 5 years to sort things out before facing an election. That's a long time and the circumstances will be hugely different.

If the new leader says there will no election for 2 years, they are fighting an uphill battle against everyone for that entire time. They'll only have a couple of dozen MPs on their side and a wee bit of the public behind them.

I don't even know how the new leader could think of cracking on without a GE. They must have seen the news and know the public's feelings on things.

So, back to the deputy PM, or whoever can actually make a GE happen.I think it's the only way out of this mess.

[WhileTheChief..]

Lots of people in the UK voted Labour too. The gig was up for Labour, they had held office for 13 years at that point. People will always want change imo. Anytime I vote, I vote Labour, but I accept they won't always hold office and I'm fine with that. It's not the sign of a healthy democracy when you end up being a one party state.

Agreed. That's where I am with the Conservatives right now.

[GlesgaeHibby]

I reckon if there isn't a general election then we're headed for a general strike.

[Moulin Yarns]

Out By Christmas has already had its title changed!!


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Out-Blue-inside-story-astonishing/dp/0008605785

[weecounty hibby]

My view is that they are toast at the next election, whenever it is.

They'd better off losing now and then choosing their new leader from whoever they have left. It might even be a totally new face, although that is unlikely.

That gives the new leader 5 years to sort things out before facing an election. That's a long time and the circumstances will be hugely different.

If the new leader says there will no election for 2 years, they are fighting an uphill battle against everyone for that entire time. They'll only have a couple of dozen MPs on their side and a wee bit of the public behind them.

I don't even know how the new leader could think of cracking on without a GE. They must have seen the news and know the public's feelings on things.

So, back to the deputy PM, or whoever can actually make a GE happen.I think it's the only way out of this mess.

I agree with all of that but we are dealing with the modern day Tories. Arrogant, self entitled, greedy, detestable and verging on the fascist. They do nothing for the benefit of others and dozens of them will lose seats. I think they will look after themselves for as long as they can

[Since90+2]

Probably highly unlikely but it would be brilliant if Charles insisted on a GE for the good of the country.

[SHODAN]

This isn't funny. I'm fed up of this ****.

[JeMeSouviens]

I missed this at the time, but Matthew Parris pretty much nailed it again:


There’s no more to Truss than meets the eye
People trying to identify personal and political qualities that make the foreign secretary a winner should give up now

Matthew Parris
Friday August 19 2022, 5.00pm, The Times




More than six years ago I wrote on this page about an expanding star in the Tory sky. “Steadily,” I said, “almost imperceptibly, an absurd idea has crept upon us.” The idea, I said, was that Boris Johnson might prove fit to be prime minister. Laughable, I wrote, “. . . yet still the idea has grown: shrewdly, assiduously, flamboyantly puffed by its only conceivable beneficiary. Where else in politics can such self-validating, self-inflating nonsense be found?” My column teetered between indignation and incredulity. It described him as “a blustering, bantering hole in the air”. It drew embarrassed attention to his moral carelessness.

And it built towards a conclusion that was magnificently wrong. Surely, I argued, neither his colleagues nor the electorate would ever fall for this.

I well recall the response, and still keep some of the messages to prove it. Colleagues in political journalism, and former parliamentary colleagues too, agreed. Some were later to write in praise of him, others to serve in his government, even in his cabinet.

The mood changed as it became apparent the impossible was going to happen. There is in all of us a habit of which we are rarely conscious, impelling us towards the suspicion that if Destiny is taking someone or something seriously, then Destiny might be right.

Some genuinely forgot their earlier opinion; others concluded there was, after all, more to this man than met the eye. Commentators and colleagues willed him to be what they wanted him to be. He’d always been (many noted) a man of liberal instincts. Others opined that as a charming pragmatist he might steer Brexiteers away from the wilder shores of xenophobia. It became the conventional wisdom that, aware of his limitations, Johnson’s great talent had always been to pick a good, strong and sensible team to carry his leadership forward. There might be (it was felt by some wise heads) so much more to this man than surface charm, froth and bubble.

There never was. First impressions had been right all along. Save yourself the trouble of second thoughts. Margaret Thatcher turned out to be exactly what she at first seemed, for good or ill. Keir Starmer seems at first sight to be a man who knows what he should do but keeps losing his nerve. On the second, third and fourth glances too we’re unlikely to refine that judgment.

“Intelligence takes many forms,” wrote Michael Gove after interviewing Donald Trump early in 2017. We forget it now but there was a belief and argument that we had underestimated the then president. Our first impression had been that the man was an unhinged and ignorant egomaniac. The first impression was right.

And so to the choice facing Tory members now pondering whether to vote for Liz Truss or Rishi Sunak as — effectively — our next prime minister. Truss is reported to be the likely victor. We ringside commentators love struggles for power, and admire politicians who show flair in its accumulation. But ability to acquire power has never entailed an ability to exercise it.

In Times columns I’ve offered my first impressions of this candidate. They were that she was intellectually shallow, her convictions wafer-thin; that she was driven by ambition pure and simple; that her manner was wooden and her ability to communicate convincingly to an electorate wider than the narrow band of Tory activists was virtually non-existent; that she was dangerously impulsive and headstrong, with a self-belief unattended by precaution; and that her leadership of the Conservative Party and our country would be a tragedy for both. “There’s nothing there,” I wrote last December, “nothing beyond a leaping self-confidence that’s almost endearing in its wide-eyed disregard for the forces of political gravity.” I likened any decision to follow Johnson with Truss to the doner kebab which, after a night on the tiles, momentarily seems like a good idea — until you open the bread pouch.


If these, my first impressions, were expressed extravagantly, they nevertheless reflected a judgment expressed more soberly by most political commentators — and, I suggest, felt by the majority of her fellow Tory MPs, for whom Sunak was plainly the preferred candidate. There was incredulity as to how she had got to where she was.

I have noticed since that some are revising their first impressions. MPs and ministers are cleaving to her, some doubtless out of naked opportunism but others persuading themselves they’ve now spotted talents they perhaps missed when Truss was further from power. Journalists, meanwhile, some of them simply reaching for something new to say, but others seriously thinking again, are venturing the thought that there may be more to her than meets the eye: a resolute, “steely” strategist, perhaps? A woman with a quirky but shrewdly Trumpian eye for connecting with voters? A hard worker (unlike Boris) and someone who can be talked out of mistaken plans if an intelligent effort is made? Hell, she’s going to win so maybe she’s a winner? Shouldn’t we at least give her the benefit of the doubt?

No. Ignore those whispers of precaution. Stick to your first impressions. Liz Truss is a planet-sized mass of overconfidence and ambition teetering upon a pinhead of a political brain. It must all come crashing down. Her biggest job has been foreign secretary. Does she join her new best friend, Tom Tugendhat, in condemning the UN security council for its criticism of illegal Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory? Does she really want to “review” (as she’s suggested) Britain’s decision not to join the Americans in moving our embassy to Jerusalem? What did she mean by saying Britain’s civil service culture “strays into antisemitism”? These explosive hip shots are only indicative.

And now that she moves her attention to domestic politics, does she really believe that “freedom” and deregulation will help red-wall England? Mansfield isn’t being held back by big government; it’s being held together by it. What are her instincts — not the corrections she’s been forced to row back to, but her personal instincts — on help for the poor, on Theresa May’s “good that government can do”? I think we know.

I’ll wager that at the outset most readers thought Liz Truss a bit weird, curiously hollow and potentially dangerous. This summer a short period will see such rushes to judgment revised. Then government will descend into a huge effort to contain and defang an unstable prime minister; and we shall revert to our first impressions. Save yourself the detour and stick with them. She’s crackers. It isn’t going to work.

[Moulin Yarns]

Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has confirmed he will not stand to be the next Conservative leader and UK prime minister.



Wouldn't it be hilarious if nobody is willing to put their name forward!?

[grunt]

I missed this at the time, but Matthew Parris pretty much nailed it again:
Alternatively, this post from just less than 3 hours ago, from the Associate Editor (Politics) for the Daily Telegraph:


My analysis of the crisis engulfing th Government Why you shouldn't write off Liz Truss just yethttps://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1583034135085711360?s=20&t=TqPWFiBN-3g85rrDjw6whQ

[Since90+2]

Suella Braverman apparently looking to stand. God help us all.

This **** is just ridiculous now. Taking the utter piss.

[hibsbollah]

A Banana Republic run by simpletons.
If the Scottish people don't vote for independence in this febrile, totally insane environment they simply never will.

[Jones28]

Suella Braverman apparently looking to stand. God help us all.

This **** is just ridiculous now. Taking the utter piss.

😂😂😂 **** me, if that vile **** becomes prime minister I’m emigrating.

[JeMeSouviens]

Suella Braverman apparently looking to stand. God help us all.

This **** is just ridiculous now. Taking the utter piss.

Dalmatians everywhere tremble.

[Just_Jimmy]

This isn't funny. I'm fed up of this ****.Correct. Get them to **** for good.

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[Jones28]

A Banana Republic run by simpletons.
If the Scottish people don't vote for independence in this febrile, totally insane environment they simply never will.

Yepp. It’s really a case now of being able to do this better than Westminster.

[Moulin Yarns]

Colin Mckay


Liz Truss is leaving Downing Street, but trust left long ago. She has only been Prime Minister for about six weeks – she spent longer campaigning to be PM than she spent in the job.

For the last few weeks, politics has seemed a bit like a reality TV show with journalists waiting for Truss to be evicted from Number 10.

But the true reality of her leadership has been soaring mortgage rates for millions because of the bad decisions of her government.

She tanked the financial markets – they were the first to lose confidence, followed by the public and her party.

So, Liz Truss is the shortest-serving Prime Minister in history – considered by many as the worst.

[Oscar T Grouch]

The UK is a clown car right now :jamboclow

[ElginHibbie]

The UK is a clown car right now :jamboclow

Have been since voting for Brexit!

[Moulin Yarns]

Have been since voting for Brexit!

Don't blame me I voted romaine. 😉

[hibsbollah]

Don't blame me I voted romaine. 😉

:faf:

It wasnt kos of me either.

[HibsGW]

Have been since voting for Brexit!

Don’t see how there can be any disputing that, we’re a shambles of a country

[JeMeSouviens]

:faf:

It wasnt kos of me either.

The puns on here are always (little) gems.

[hibsbollah]

The puns on here are always (little) gems.

Please release me,:singing: lettuce go

[Oscar T Grouch]

The puns on The Holy Ground are really superior to the ones on the main board and I would arugula that point with anyone!

[J-C]

Dalmatians everywhere tremble.


I know this isn't a laughing matter but that made me laugh out loud.:thumbsup:

[nonshinyfinish]

The puns on The Holy Ground are really superior to the ones on the main board and I would arugula that point with anyone!

Bolt ya rocket.

[ElginHibbie]

The puns on The Holy Ground are really superior to the ones on the main board and I would arugula that point with anyone!

Just the tip of the iceberg as well

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/inthebotanics/status/1583075000143138818?t=DZrztBIarF1NQpjCe6O0Pw&s=19

All hail Inverness botanic Gardens for the top troll of the day. 😂😂😂😂

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1583091554574831617?s=46&t=9P0fvmfMg1oRc8Sugtgu4g

Johnson going for it.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Boris Johnson said to stand!!!!!

[Scorrie]

The odds on Johnson have come into 7/2 from 14-1 in the last hour!

[Callum_62]

Imagine if Boris is re elected

I know we are seen as a joke already but what an absolute mockery it would make of our 'democracy'

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[Hibbyradge]

He won't stand unless he's sure he'll win.

[Moulin Yarns]

He won't stand unless he's sure he'll win.

He seems to have a fair bit of support from mps.

[Hibbyradge]

He seems to have a fair bit of support from mps.

He will have but enough?

I feel sick at the thought of him returning.

[Kato]

To give her her due Truss kept one promise she made. She ignored Nicola Sturgeon. For a full 6 weeks.

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[nonshinyfinish]

When they say the leadership election will be done in a week, does that mean they'll rattle through the rounds of voting and have a snap vote of members, or that one way or another they'll agree a candidate between them so that only one is nominated?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Boris :faf:

I almost want that to happen because it’s so ludicrous.

[wookie70]

Imagine if Boris is re elected

I know we are seen as a joke already but what an absolute mockery it would make of our 'democracy'

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That was my prediction as soon as Truss was pretty much guaranteed the job. If it hadn't been for the Queen dying she would not have lasted as long. If Johnson is selected again he may have to leave when he is found guilty of misleading Parliament. We could go through this again before Christmas if that investigation is quick.

Her resignation speech was a disgrace. She only has a mandate if she follows the manifesto they got elected on. She was very clear she was following the Tory mandate not the one they were elected on. The smirk and the £115K a year pension says it all to me. Possibly the worst Public Servant that has ever existed in the UK. Johnson may get another shot at moving up from second worse in the near future

[Rumble de Thump]

Can we not just have the lettuce?

[Smartie]

Is there anything reasonable that the public can do to protest about this?

Obviously we’re all unhappy about this and there are tongue in cheek comments from folk talking about emigrating if one of the more credible candidates gets the job.

But for a self respecting democracy this MUST be GE territory now?

I’ve never attended a protest and I’m not suggesting tearing the whole place to pieces but surely there must exist some sort of protest movement that allows the people to demonstrate that they should be choosing the next PM and not the small group of people who made such a mess of it the last time?

[Kato]

But for a self respecting democracy this MUST be GE territory now?

The clue about not having a GE is your sentence, S.

They are self-serving.

Themselves first, Party next, whichever dodger sponsors them after that - then, somewhere, the country they feel so "patriotic" about.



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[wookie70]

Is there anything reasonable that the public can do to protest about this?

Obviously we’re all unhappy about this and there are tongue in cheek comments from folk talking about emigrating if one of the more credible candidates gets the job.

But for a self respecting democracy this MUST be GE territory now?

I’ve never attended a protest and I’m not suggesting tearing the whole place to pieces but surely there must exist some sort of protest movement that allows the people to demonstrate that they should be choosing the next PM and not the small group of people who made such a mess of it the last time?

I think recall elections are the only way to force democracy but there are very specific hurdles needed before a constituency can petition for one. Basically once elected you can do what you want and choose whatever leader you want, change your plans dramatically etc etc. For me there should be test and KPIs associated with key mandate pledges. If those are not met or in teh Tories case completely ignored then there should be some electoral comeback for citizens

[Kato]

Can we not just have the lettuce?They are all romaine_rs

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[Oscar T Grouch]

I think recall elections are the only way to force democracy but there are very specific hurdles needed before a constituency can petition for one. Basically once elected you can do what you want and choose whatever leader you want, change your plans dramatically etc etc. For me there should be test and KPIs associated with key mandate pledges. If those are not met or in teh Tories case completely ignored then there should be some electoral comeback for citizens

It is the great question with democratic systems, give them 5 years and they do what the tories are doing just now. Have an American system with a fixed 4 year term with midterm house and senate votes and you end up with a non functioning government not willing to look more than 18 months in advance. Our system over the last term of government has show there needs to be, like you say, some form of test for an elected government based on their manifesto pledges and their record in office.

[degenerated]

A Banana Republic run by simpletons.
If the Scottish people don't vote for independence in this febrile, totally insane environment they simply never will.The bigger problem is that we aren't allowed to vote on that.

[wookie70]

Truss has certainly left most of us brassic-a.

[grunt]

:greengrin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfhcxBhXoAIsVeY?format=jpg&name=large

[Kato]

:greengrin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfhcxBhXoAIsVeY?format=jpg&name=largeThat's rich coming from the EU which is on the verge of collapsing...oh, hold on.

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[Hibrandenburg]

Vote Labour then. :aok:

Stop gap solution until the next Tory regime.

[Hibrandenburg]

Lots of people in the UK voted Labour too. The gig was up for Labour, they had held office for 13 years at that point. People will always want change imo. Anytime I vote, I vote Labour, but I accept they won't always hold office and I'm fine with that. It's not the sign of a healthy democracy when you end up being a one party state.

We are already, the only choice is between blue or red Tories.

[ronaldo7]

The bigger problem is that we aren't allowed to vote on that.

The Tory and Labour parties have decided that democracy only works when it works for them.

All others can do one.

[WhileTheChief..]

If they choose Boris as leader and he immediately calls a GE, that would be fair enough.

The public could finally have their say on how they felt about partygate etc and if he gets gubbed, them's the breaks.

It's a bit rich the Lib Dems or whoever saying he should be banned from standing. Anyone should be allowed to put themselves forward if they are to call a GE and let the public decide.

[Keith_M]

Just to clarify....


Are EU immigrants still to blame for the state of our country?

[ElginHibbie]

Just to clarify....


Are EU immigrants still to blame for the state of our country?

No it's the vegans now

[grunt]

Just to clarify....
Are EU immigrants still to blame for the state of our country?No, don't be silly! It's the remainers!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfhfpaCXoAEVRkF?format=jpg&name=large

[grunt]

If they choose Boris as leader and he immediately calls a GE, that would be fair enough.Would you trust him to do that?


Anyone should be allowed to put themselves forward if they are to call a GE and let the public decide.Uh, so why don't we just go straight to a GE? Why waste time and effort on a leadership contest?

[Keith_M]

No it's the vegans now


No, don't be silly! It's the remainers!!




Sorry guys


:embarrass

[Ryan91]

Just to clarify....


Are EU immigrants still to blame for the state of our country?


No it's the vegans now


No, don't be silly! It's the remainers!!

Vegan, Tofu-eating, Guardian-reading, EU immigrant, lefty, remoaner, woke-ist snowflakes are the ones to blame

:agree:

[Hibernia&Alba]

That smirk on her face. What a disgrace.

That was really strange. She looked like she had just won a general election. Either she is relieved to be getting out of it all, or she is in a manic state. She looked as if she was about to burst out laughing as she announced her resignation. I think Dominic Cummings is right about Truss, she is actually bonkers.

[ballengeich]

A cunning stunt would be for the new Tory leader to call an election, lose, blame the Labour party for the inevitable suffering caused by the hard decisions that are going to have to be made, then get back into power at the following election.

[ballengeich]

That was really strange. She looked like she had just won a general election. Either she is relieved to be getting out of it all, or she is in a manic state. She looked as if she was about to burst out laughing as she announced her resignation. I think Dominic Cummings is right about Truss, she is actually bonkers.
Wouldn't you smirk if you'd just got yourself a pension of over £100,000 each year for a month's work?

[Hibernia&Alba]

A cunning stunt would be for the new Tory leader to call an election, lose, blame the Labour party for the inevitable suffering caused by the hard decisions that are going to have to be made, then get back into power at the following election.

The next PM will certainly be a Cupid Stunt.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Wouldn't you smirk if you'd just got yourself a pension of over £100,000 each year for a month's work?

Not if I'd lasted 44 days before being humiliatingly forced out, in the process ruining my party's election chances and wrecking the national economy, no. Her demeanour was just bizarre.

[H18 SFR]

That was really strange. She looked like she had just won a general election. Either she is relieved to be getting out of it all, or she is in a manic state. She looked as if she was about to burst out laughing as she announced her resignation. I think Dominic Cummings is right about Truss, she is actually bonkers.

Her former press secretary was on the radio today, she didn’t slaughter her in a sense but did say she’s never met anyone with a natural ability like her to consistently get everything wrong. When pressed what she meant she replied like everything. Sounds like she’s a basket case.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The first three words say it all :greengrin. Last night's government meltdown.


https://youtu.be/rJRuEpKuzI4

[James310]

Wouldn't you smirk if you'd just got yourself a pension of over £100,000 each year for a month's work?

Is it a pension? Or an amount you can claim for expenses. A pension you get the money no matter what.

[ballengeich]

Is it a pension? Or an amount you can claim for expenses. A pension you get the money no matter what.
Expenses is a flexible concept.

[McSwanky]

Is it a pension? Or an amount you can claim for expenses. A pension you get the money no matter what.Because that matters how? It's money they are entitled to legally, AFAIK they all claim it. She'll claim it if she's entitled to it.

What a strange point to make.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is it a pension? Or an amount you can claim for expenses. A pension you get the money no matter what.

I’m Sure she’ll manage to claim every penny.

[cabbageandribs1875]

To give her her due Truss kept one promise she made. She ignored Nicola Sturgeon. For a full 6 weeks.

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she ignored Mark Drakeford as well


arrogant classless moo that she is

[James310]

Because that matters how? It's money they are entitled to legally, AFAIK they all claim it. She'll claim it if she's entitled to it.

What a strange point to make.

Well a massive difference between a pension of £115K where you can spend it how you please and an expenses amount you can claim for carrying out so called official duties. Facts matter.

I am sure the FM will get some kind of expenses allowance. I would also suggest Truss will hardly use it.

[Keith_M]

This was some prediction by our very own Sunday Post

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/brian-clough/


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[CropleyWasGod]

Because that matters how? It's money they are entitled to legally, AFAIK they all claim it. She'll claim it if she's entitled to it.

What a strange point to make.

The 115k is to fund genuine expenses. That wouldn't be taxable. A pension would be.

[Kato]

Not if I'd lasted 44 days before being humiliatingly forced out, in the process ruining my party's election chances and wrecking the national economy, no. Her demeanour was just bizarre.She is bizarre. I can only think she was groomed for PM then put in office for sole sake of her Hedge Fund backers. Mission accomplished.

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[Kato]

Is it a pension? Or an amount you can claim for expenses. A pension you get the money no matter what.It's a fund. She can claim up to £115,000. It was invented for Thatcher who not only left the country poorer she couldn't look after her own household expenses and the Tory Grandees didn't want her living in penury.

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[Kato]

Well a massive difference between a pension of £115K where you can spend it how you please and an expenses amount you can claim for carrying out so called official duties. Facts matter.

I am sure the FM will get some kind of expenses allowance. I would also suggest Truss will hardly use it.Hahaha hahaha

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[WeeRussell]

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/public-duties-cost-allowance-liz-truss-will-be-able-to-claim-up-to-ps115000-per-year-to-maintain-public-duties-after-leaving-office-3882642

Really does make you want to boke.

[Keith_M]

Lis truss resigns in disgrace, is given an annual 'expense allowance' of £115k for the rest of her life, despite being a total failure...... obsessed poster makes a dig at Nicola Sturgeon


Bizarre!


:rolleyes:

[James310]

Hahaha hahaha

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Strange reaction to a factual statement.

[James310]

Lis truss resigns in disgrace, is given an annual 'expense allowance' of £115k for the rest of her life, despite being a total failure...... obsessed poster makes a dig at Nicola Sturgeon


Bizarre!


:rolleyes:

How is it a dig? If Nicola Sturgeon has official engagements after she is finished as FM would you expect her to pay for these herself? I wouldn't, would you?

[Keith_M]

:rotflmao:

[WeeRussell]

Wouldn't you smirk if you'd just got yourself a pension of over £100,000 each year for a month's work?

I think you’re being unfair. I wouldn’t call that a month’s work.

[James310]

It's a fund. She can claim up to £115,000. It was invented for Thatcher who not only left the country poorer she couldn't look after her own household expenses and the Tory Grandees didn't want her living in penury.

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So not a pension.

[Keith_M]

I think you’re being unfair. I wouldn’t call that a month’s work.


She did a pretty good job for various Hedge Funds

[Kato]

Strange reaction to a factual statement.Your suggestion that Truss won't dip into it is factual?

Sounds like opinion to me and my opinion is she will be all over it like mayo on a lettuce.

They all claim it.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Your suggestion that Truss won't dip into it is factual?

Sounds like opinion to me and my opinion is she will be all over it like mayo on a lettuce.

They all claim it.

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I don't need it. Father's monthly allowance provides me with more than that.

[James310]

Your suggestion that Truss won't dip into it is factual?

Sounds like opinion to me and my opinion is she will be all over it like mayo on a lettuce.

They all claim it.

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I have no idea, can't imagine she will be asked for many official engagements seeing as she was PM for weeks. But for example if the King died she would be invited to the funeral as all ex PMs would and claim expenses.

Point being it's not a pension as was being claimed.

[Kato]

So not a pension.I never said it was.

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[Kato]

I don't need it. Father's monthly allowance provides me with more than that.Your father is my future best pal.

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[McSwanky]

The 115k is to fund genuine expenses. That wouldn't be taxable. A pension would be.Hmmm [emoji15]

[James310]

I never said it was.

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Well someone did and I replied to that.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It has to be the 'safe pair of hands' candidate next up. The Tories can't afford to give the nutters who comprise their party members the opportunity to put in another right-wing lunatic of the Braverman or Badenoch ilk. They will ensure such candidates are excluded if the vote goes to the membership. I reckon one of Sunak, Mordaunt or Wallace. As I've said before, Mordaunt would be the best bet to unite them, or possibly Wallace. Sunak would divide the MPs.

[Kato]

Well someone did and I replied to that.Ok. Which part of your opinion on Truss "not claiming it" is factual?

I predict she will claim it and will milk it like they all do. Official engagements or not.

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[Bostonhibby]

Following disappointing sales of Dim Lizzie mugs and pens at the latest conference the Conservative party are moving forward to more rewarding fund raising initiatives.

Instead of tennis with Bozo for £50,000 or lunch for £100,000 donations selected Russians who have purchased a £2m golden Visa (copyright Ms Braverman) will be offered the chance to be Chancellor for a day or PM for a week, thus ensuring they get the whole experience of what it means to be part of Nasty Party UK.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Following disappointing sales of Dim Lizzie mugs and pens at the latest conference the Conservative party are moving forward to more rewarding fund raising initiatives.

Instead of tennis with Bozo for £50,000 or lunch for £100,000 donations selected Russians who have purchased a £2m golden Visa (copyright Ms Braverman) will be offered the chance to be Chancellor for a day or PM for a week.

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Thatcher underpants would raise them a fortune. Millions of us would buy them, just to deliberately soil ourselves.

[hibsbollah]

It has to be the 'safe pair of hands' candidate next up. The Tories can't afford to give the nutters who comprise their party members the opportunity to put in another right-wing lunatic of the Braverman or Badenoch ilk. They will ensure such candidates are excluded if the vote goes to the membership. I reckon one of Sunak, Mordaunt or Wallace. As I've said before, Mordaunt would be the best bet to unite them, or possibly Wallace. Sunak would divide the MPs.


It doesn’t matter if it’s the remaining living Chuckle Brother really, it’s the city of London that’s brought Truss down and it’s the financial markets that will define the success or otherwise of the next one too. It’s all very depressing.

[CropleyWasGod]

Hmmm [emoji15]

It's all here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/public-duty-cost-allowance/public-duty-costs-allowance-guidance


Payments are made only to meet the actual cost of continuing to fulfil public duties.

The costs are a reimbursement of incurred expenses for necessary office costs and secretarial costs arising from their special position in public life. The allowance is not paid to support private or parliamentary duties.

Former Prime Ministers or their staff may only be reimbursed for legitimate salary or office expenses incurred in meeting the demands of the former Prime Minister’s public life up to the annual limit.

Copies of all supporting documentation e.g. salary details, receipts/travel cards for the former Prime Minister, or any of their staff, should be made available on request by either Cabinet Office Finance or the National Audit Office for audit purposes. The documents are not retained by the Cabinet Office.

[davy67 +]

It has to be the 'safe pair of hands' candidate next up. The Tories can't afford to give the nutters who comprise their party members the opportunity to put in another right-wing lunatic of the Braverman or Badenoch ilk. They will ensure such candidates are excluded if the vote goes to the membership. I reckon one of Sunak, Mordaunt or Wallace. As I've said before, Mordaunt would be the best bet to unite them, or possibly Wallace. Sunak would divide the MPs.


I thought Ben Wallace would get it the last time, maybe now he can be persuaded to put his name forward

[James310]

Ok. Which part of your opinion on Truss "not claiming it" is factual?

I predict she will claim it and will milk it like they all do. Official engagements or not.

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The factual bit was it's not a pension, which we have established it's not.

[Santa Cruz]

It has to be the 'safe pair of hands' candidate next up. The Tories can't afford to give the nutters who comprise their party members the opportunity to put in another right-wing lunatic of the Braverman or Badenoch ilk. They will ensure such candidates are excluded if the vote goes to the membership. I reckon one of Sunak, Mordaunt or Wallace. As I've said before, Mordaunt would be the best bet to unite them, or possibly Wallace. Sunak would divide the MPs.

They should have went with Mordaunt. I'll get shot down for my opinion but I quite like her. I can mind seeing a video a while ago where she was a key speaker, might have been to do with women's right's but I could be mistaken. Anyway, an activist stormed the stage to have a go that they had not been given a slot to speak at the forum, this was midway through Mordaunt's talk. She was good enough to acknowledge that was wrong, they had a right to be heard and gave up her later slot so they got their chance to speak.

[James310]

It's all here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/public-duty-cost-allowance/public-duty-costs-allowance-guidance


Payments are made only to meet the actual cost of continuing to fulfil public duties.

The costs are a reimbursement of incurred expenses for necessary office costs and secretarial costs arising from their special position in public life. The allowance is not paid to support private or parliamentary duties.

Former Prime Ministers or their staff may only be reimbursed for legitimate salary or office expenses incurred in meeting the demands of the former Prime Minister’s public life up to the annual limit.

Copies of all supporting documentation e.g. salary details, receipts/travel cards for the former Prime Minister, or any of their staff, should be made available on request by either Cabinet Office Finance or the National Audit Office for audit purposes. The documents are not retained by the Cabinet Office.



Pretty clear then.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m beginning to love Ross. [emoji23]

https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/status/1583155305479024640?s=46&t=hPhHOAYqyw01NKLqvqZ6sw

No matter what comes out of London, it’s the right thing for Scotland.[emoji23]


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[CropleyWasGod]

I’m beginning to love Ross. [emoji23]

https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/status/1583155305479024640?s=46&t=hPhHOAYqyw01NKLqvqZ6sw

No matter what comes out of London, it’s the right thing for Scotland.[emoji23]


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The Eurostar to Brussels comes out of London.:greengrin

[Northernhibee]

Anyone else feeling a sense of both dread and utter, utter, hopelessness about it all?

If this was any other course of business then massive changes would be made. We're just away to get another far right lunatic decided by the poshos, weirdos and racist old folk that make up the Tory membership yet again and it'll be just as bad, if not worse. And there's two years to the next election.

So many people are going to lose everything they have because of this shower of utter *******s.

[Hibernia&Alba]

They should have went with Mordaunt. I'll get shot down for my opinion but I quite like her. I can mind seeing a video a while ago where she was a key speaker, might have been to do with women's right's but I could be mistaken. Anyway, an activist stormed the stage to have a go that they had not been given a slot to speak at the forum, this was midway through Mordaunt's talk. She was good enough to acknowledge that was wrong, they had a right to be heard and gave up her later slot so they got their chance to speak.

If they are sensible enough to ensure only those who aren't clinically insane can get the job this time, then, as an anti-Tory, I hope it's Sunak, as he could never unite them, and it would mean more Tory infighting.

If I was a Tory, I would want Mordaunt or Wallace. I do think there's something about Mordaunt in the MILF stakes, though I would rather say no more than that :wink:

[Kato]

The factual bit was it's not a pension, which we have established it's not.Ok.

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[Santa Cruz]

If they are sensible enough to ensure only those who aren't clinically insane can get the job this time, then, as an anti-Tory, I hope it's Sunak, as he could never unite them, and it would mean more Tory infighting.

If I was a Tory, I would want Mordaunt or Wallace. I do think there's something about Mordaunt in the MILF stakes, though I would rather say no more than that :wink:

I don't want Mordaunt because she will unite them, just think she's the most likely to do the right thing by the most vulnerable. So, in my view, the safest bet for the next 2 years.

Had to google MILF, that's an new one on me. Aye I dinnae need TMI on yer MILF preference's, haha.

[Smartie]

Anyone else feeling a sense of both dread and utter, utter, hopelessness about it all?

If this was any other course of business then massive changes would be made. We're just away to get another far right lunatic decided by the poshos, weirdos and racist old folk that make up the Tory membership yet again and it'll be just as bad, if not worse. And there's two years to the next election.

So many people are going to lose everything they have because of this shower of utter *******s.

The thing that’s bugging me is that there doesn’t seem to be anyone doing anything about it.

Society is held together by the thinnest of blue lines (see protesters in Sri Lanka swimming about in the presidential pool a few months ago).

I don’t accept that there’s nothing can be done about it but it needs someone to get it started.

Normally I ain’t a rabble rouser but I have a serious moral objection to what they’re doing and how they’re behaving and would happily take to the streets in peaceful protest.

I just need someone else to go first…

[ballengeich]

Well someone did and I replied to that.
You have corrected me and I accept that. However, I think that the potential for someone who's been in office for just over a month to claim over £100,000 each year is not how public money should be used.

[CropleyWasGod]

You have corrected me and I accept that. However, I think that the potential for someone who's been in office for just over a month to claim over £100,000 each year is not how public money should be used.

To be realistic, I doubt that "ex-PM Liz Truss" will be much of a draw, so I can't see her claims being that big.

[degenerated]

Ok. Which part of your opinion on Truss "not claiming it" is factual?

I predict she will claim it and will milk it like they all do. Official engagements or not.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkLike Gordon Brown who no doubt dips his hands into the pot every time they defrost him and let him out his crypt to tell us how much better off we are in the union.

[degenerated]

The thing that’s bugging me is that there doesn’t seem to be anyone doing anything about it.

Society is held together by the thinnest of blue lines (see protesters in Sri Lanka swimming about in the presidential pool a few months ago).

I don’t accept that there’s nothing can be done about it but it needs someone to get it started.

Normally I ain’t a rabble rouser but I have a serious moral objection to what they’re doing and how they’re behaving and would happily take to the streets in peaceful protest.

I just need someone else to go first…The revolution starts at closing time.

[McSwanky]

To be realistic, I doubt that "ex-PM Liz Truss" will be much of a draw, so I can't see her claims being that big.I disagree. This is one of the most interesting times ever in British politics, and she's a major part of it. I think there will be plenty right wing think tanks and businesses with cash to splash that will see getting her as a guest speaker as a very attractive proposition.

Time will tell I suppose.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I disagree. This is one of the most interesting times ever in British politics, and she's a major part of it. I think there will be plenty right wing think tanks and businesses with cash to splash that will see getting her as a guest speaker as a very attractive proposition.

Time will tell I suppose.

There is always money to be made for an ex-PM. Ironically, the fact her tenure was so short and so disastrous could be a unique selling point which makes Truss all the more lucrative. Chaos sells.

[wookie70]

To be realistic, I doubt that "ex-PM Liz Truss" will be much of a draw, so I can't see her claims being that big. People watch car crashes. She will claim every penny of the £115K and I'm sure the accounting will be spot on and very creative. I suspect there will be some family members involved