Tories are still lying *******s

[Bostonhibby]

Tories in full blown panic mode today, bringing forward a fiscal statement to reverse the rest of the mini budget - but still going ahead with 31 October statement. So, 3 mini budgets in 6 weeks...Jeez, we will soon be in 3 chancellors in 6 weeks territory. All whilst pedaling the "strong and stable" government lie.

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[GlesgaeHibby]

Jeez, we will soon be in 3 chancellors in 6 weeks territory. All whilst pedaling the "strong and stable" government lie.

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It's absolutely mental. Pre Brexit we had 3 Chancellors in 19 years. 4 already this year.

[Bostonhibby]

It's absolutely mental. Pre Brexit we had 3 Chancellors in 19 years. 4 already this year.I often wonder what particular skill or qualifications the recent run of revolving door ministers actually have for these vital roles. Beyond loyalty to the likes of Bozo, or knowing where the bodies are buried.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Energy PG was always on a shakey peg I thought, seeing as at £150 billion it dwarfed the rest. Saying that I guess its how they target it and to what level.

MrHarryCole
Manic Monday:

⚡️ Energy Price Guarantee is in play - talk of better targeting in year two⚡️

Likely that stamp duty + nics only thing left intact from mini budget by end of day

Meanwhile two lobbying efforts on Brady today: senior MPs saying change rules but some saying *don’t*

[Hibbyradge]

I do hope Truss listens to her closest friends, like Rees Mogg, and clings on to her "leadership" until the GE.

[hibsbollah]

I do hope Truss listens to her closest friends, like Rees Mogg, and clings on to her "leadership" until the GE.

I am repeating the point, but its absolutely insane to me that the media is posing all these questions like 'Can she cling on? Who's going to be next? Are we getting high tax this week with Hunt or will he go for Austerity Max like Kwarteng?' The tone is like we're deciding Strictly contestants FFS. Except we never seem to get to vote them off.

This is supposed to be a parliamentary democracy. When did the people stop deciding what policies the country should adopt at an actual General Election? And why isnt this being asked more often by our media?

[Ozyhibby]

I do hope Truss listens to her closest friends, like Rees Mogg, and clings on to her "leadership" until the GE.

https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1581940552202743809?s=46&t=uBbD3qi8wTBHgcf8k2IiJA

SNP the official opposition?


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[wookie70]

https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1581940552202743809?s=46&t=uBbD3qi8wTBHgcf8k2IiJA

SNP the official opposition?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That table shows how absolutely ridiculous FPTP is.

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1581940552202743809?s=46&t=uBbD3qi8wTBHgcf8k2IiJA

SNP the official opposition?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/1581731775935483904?s=46&t=SDXmFSVVOOK67l1JIkgz_Q

[emoji23]


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[hibsbollah]

That table shows how absolutely ridiculous FPTP is.

But its also based on a misnomer (probably with a glint in his eye) by Adam Bienkov; nobody serious is 'predicting' the SNP is going to be the official opposition or the Tories are actually going to have these poll numbers at general election time when we finally are given the opportunity to kick them out. The numbers are as bad as they are precisely because we're in late/mid term, they will regroup and get their act together at some point. Especially if they can get the press on their side again.

[wookie70]

But its also based on a misnomer (probably with a glint in his eye) by Adam Bienkov; nobody serious is 'predicting' the SNP is going to be the official opposition or the Tories are actually going to have these poll numbers at general election time when we finally are given the opportunity to kick them out. The numbers are as bad as they are precisely because we're in late/mid term, they will regroup and get their act together at some point. Especially if they can get the press on their side again.

True, but the numbers probably do stack up albeit they are at a point in time when there is no chance of a GE. Listening to the BBC today it seems clear there will be another Tory Leader. I wonder if they will ignore the manifesto too. That should be the big talking point here. A government has a written agreement with the electorate. It will no doubt need tweaked depending on circumstance but it can't be rewritten in ministers heads every few weeks. PR would stop this as you would get a far greater balance of views and it would be far harder for this madness to happen

[GlesgaeHibby]

Hunt has just junked Truss' entire agenda.

[wookie70]

Hunts statement is pretty terrifying. It sounds to me like he has just fitted Nitro to austerity and what is left of the public services will be dismantled and destroyed before the next election. Labour will need 3 or 4 parliaments to even get back to the poor levels we have seen since austerity.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Two year energy bill ‘guarantee’ that’s going to be binned within a couple months of bringing it in.

Some guarantee that.

[hibsbollah]

True, but the numbers probably do stack up albeit they are at a point in time when there is no chance of a GE. Listening to the BBC today it seems clear there will be another Tory Leader. I wonder if they will ignore the manifesto too. That should be the big talking point here. A government has a written agreement with the electorate. It will no doubt need tweaked depending on circumstance but it can't be rewritten in ministers heads every few weeks. PR would stop this as you would get a far greater balance of views and it would be far harder for this madness to happen

I agree with you on PR, and thats why the polling is flawed; the people who live in these well-heeled constituencies will revert to type pretty quickly, Rees Mogg has a 15,000 majority in his seat with 50% of the electorate, and thats in 2019 when he was equally as disgusting a character as he is now. Surrey, Hampshire, the home counties where the MRP method is saying they can accurately assess consituent level intention and the Tories would now lose? I just don't buy it. Ive been to these places :greengrin People say this stuff to pollsters as a temporary, follow-the-herd mild tantrum.

The red wall is another story though, I think that was a anti immigrant/GIRU the Europeans one hit wonder.

[GlesgaeHibby]

That table shows how absolutely ridiculous FPTP is.

It's ok though, FPTP delivers stable governments...

[Santa Cruz]

Two year energy bill ‘guarantee’ that’s going to be binned within a couple months of bringing it in.

Some guarantee that.



Tax payer should never have been paying for this energy scheme from the get go, they had other options to raise the revenue but took the wrong decision imo. Noticed Hunt made no mention of any increases to benefits in line with inflation. I suspect this will be part of the big announcement on 31 Oct in a last ditch attempt to gain some public support. I may well be wrong but think this will be there last chance to make any slim gains in the polls, they will know by not doing this Labour will make so much capital out of it there is no way back for them.

[Lendo]

Hunt has just junked Truss' entire agenda.

Clear that Hunt is “leading” the country now and making the calls at No. 10. Are we now effectively living in a dictatorship given we didn’t elect Truss and she’s not even the one in charge?

[Santa Cruz]

Clear that Hunt ifs “leading” the country now and making the calls at No. 10. Are we now effectively living in a dictatorship given we didn’t elect Truss and she’s not even the one in charge?

Did we elect Cummings when Boris was PM? No, it's not a dictatorship, it's a mess! This is what is what has been happening for years in this country. The elected officials are figureheads, the unelected SPADs and teams of spin doctors set the policy agenda. We don't actually know who we're voting for when we head to the ballot box. That's the problem imo, it applies to all political parties.

[wookie70]

Tax payer should never have been paying for this energy scheme from the get go, they had other options to raise the revenue but took the wrong decision imo. Noticed Hunt made no mention of any increases to benefits in line with inflation. I suspect this will be part of the big announcement on 31 Oct in a last ditch attempt to gain some public support. I may well be wrong but think this will be there last chance to make any slim gains in the polls, they will know by not doing this Labour will make so much capital out of it there is no way back for them.

The benefits decision is in some ways a lose lose for them. Their core support will want to punish(starve and freeze) those on benefits but their number now includes huge numbers of working public servants including nurses etc. Those workers including nurses and armed forces, police etc are massively poorer this year due to pay awards or proposed pay awards dwarfed by inflation so putting benefits up by inflation but not these core workers will also go against their message of working paying. This is what Tories do and have always done. We are just nearing the end game of pandering to the market, destroying public services and selling off everything that can be sold for their chums to make a profit. Once the end game is here there isn't much point having a Tory Party as there is nothing left to profit from. They will slink into the public service and get massive Non Exec salaries from the companies now being paid far more to provide public services than public servants used to cost and doing so at a massively reduced level of service. I had a long term Tory mate eventually see the light on Facebook last week. They will lose any voters that at least deem themselves to be decent.

[Santa Cruz]

The benefits decision is in some ways a lose lose for them. Their core support will want to punish(starve and freeze) those on benefits but their number now includes huge numbers of working public servants including nurses etc. Those workers including nurses and armed forces, police etc are massively poorer this year due to pay awards or proposed pay awards dwarfed by inflation so putting benefits up by inflation but not these core workers will also go against their message of working paying. This is what Tories do and have always done. We are just nearing they end game of pandering to teh market, destroying public services and selling off everything that can be sold for their chums to make a profit. Once the end game is here there isn't much point having a Tory Party as there is nothing left to profit from. They will slink into the public service and get massive Non Exec salaries from the companies now being paid far more to provide public services than public servants used to cost and doing so at a massively reduced level of service. I had a long term Tory mate eventually see the light on Facebook last week. They will lose any voters that at least deem themselves to be decent.

Get your point, but worth remembering the red wall seats they gained in the last G.E. will have some of the highest rates of benefit claimants which btw include many thousands of the public servants you mention who work. Find it odd he made no mention of benefits.

[wookie70]

Get your point, but worth remembering the red wall seats they gained in the last G.E. will have some of the highest rates of benefit claimants which btw include many thousands of the public servants you mention who work. Find it odd he made no mention of benefits. I think he failed to mention it because Truss never made a definitive statement either way on benefits. He doesn't have his troubles to seek so why add in another. The press are so poor they will not give him too hard a time so he can see how today's statement goes and decide on benefits later. For me benefits are a moral decision and not a fiscal one. Those not unable to look after themselves need the rest of us to make sure they are looked after. We should bear that and benefits should always keep pace with the cost of living. I would not be using CPI to measure that either and have an essential basket of products and services etc that would be used to measure cots of living when all that is spent is on essentials.

[Santa Cruz]

I think he failed to mention it because Truss never made a definitive statement either way on benefits. He doesn't have his troubles to seek so why add in another. The press are so poor they will not give him too hard a time so he can see how today's statement goes and decide on benefits later. For me benefits are a moral decision and not a fiscal one. Those not unable to look after themselves need the rest of us to make sure they are looked after. We should bear that and benefits should always keep pace with the cost of living. I would not be using CPI to measure that either and have an essential basket of products and services etc that would be used to measure cots of living when all that is spent is on essentials.

Only because they have nothing left to offer on 31 Oct. I don't understand how you view the benefits system as not fiscal, it needs to be funded, no? Even if my opinion is right, they will still hurt the most vulnerable in society. It's no good giving a fair increase in benefits if your next move is to yield the axe on the important public services the same people rely on to manage their day to day lives.

[Kato]

Pretty good summation of the IEA/ERG input within the Tories these last few years culminating in Truss's libertarian budget.

https://twitter.com/mac_puck/status/1581911289638420481?t=z6b6GdmCIvSP-7cz-UesaQ&s=19

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[Paul1642]

The whole thing is a mess however on a minor positive todays announcement seems to reverse the bulk of the stupidity from the last mini budget.

[hibsbollah]

Clear that Hunt is “leading” the country now and making the calls at No. 10. Are we now effectively living in a dictatorship given we didn’t elect Truss and she’s not even the one in charge?

Its a good point, and in terms of democratic legitimacy in some ways Truss is MORE legitimate than Hunt, at least Truss was actually in Boris' cabinet. While this Uturn is welcome, its really happened just because the City of London has told them to.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/helgapops99/status/1581727881428103169?t=JGv_nA8LA1j20-blUqkXMw&s=19

[Mon Dieu4]

Its a good point, and in terms of democratic legitimacy in some ways Truss is MORE legitimate than Hunt, at least Truss was actually in Boris' cabinet. While this Uturn is welcome, its really happened just because the City of London has told them to.

Was reading if Truss doesn't quit and they force her out then it's going to start a Tory Civil War, they wouldn't want to go through another voting process so the 1922 committee would have to change their rules and let the MPs pick the new PM and that in turn will piss off the Tory Members as they won't get a say in it, would be ****ing glorious if it wasn't for the state of the country

[wookie70]

Only because they have nothing left to offer on 31 Oct. I don't understand how you view the benefits system as not fiscal, it needs to be funded, no? Even if my opinion is right, they will still hurt the most vulnerable in society. It's no good giving a fair increase in benefits if your next move is to yield the axe on the important public services the same people rely on to manage their day to day lives. Not fiscal in terms of it will be funded regardless and everything else should move to accommodate treating those who struggle to maintain a decent standard of living. It is a moral decision for me with the fiscal ramifications being covered elsewhere in spending. ie we apply a cost of living to benefits regardless of how much it costs

[Jack]

Was reading if Truss doesn't quit and they force her out then it's going to start a Tory Civil War, they wouldn't want to go through another voting process so the 1922 committee would have to change their rules and let the MPs pick the new PM and that in turn will piss off the Tory Members as they won't get a say in it, would be ****ing glorious if it wasn't for the state of the country

The tory members got it wrong and they don't matter anyway. It's the tory doners, elected and unelected, that dictate what happens.

[Stairway 2 7]

Down from the expected 6% but still brutal

EdConwaySky

15m
FINALLY: some good news on mortgages.
Money markets’ expectations for @bankofengland interest rates have fallen again following @Jeremy_Hunt’s statement today.
Now pricing in a peak of 5.15% next year.
That’s the lowest it’s been since the immediate aftermath of the mini-budget

[Stairway 2 7]

Could be big?

@PaulBrandITV
NEW: Labour have been told Penny Mordaunt will take Liz Truss’s place in the Commons for Keir Starmer’s urgent question.

First she reverted to Rishi Sunak’s economic policies, now she’s asking her other leadership rival Penny Mordaunt to speak on her behalf. Humiliating

[McD]

Could be big?

@PaulBrandITV
NEW: Labour have been told Penny Mordaunt will take Liz Truss’s place in the Commons for Keir Starmer’s urgent question.

First she reverted to Rishi Sunak’s economic policies, now she’s asking her other leadership rival Penny Mordaunt to speak on her behalf. Humiliating


has Liz Truss’s version of Keith Harris taken a holiday or something? Barely mumbled her way through that press conference and now has disappeared from public view :dunno:


at this rate the Tory’s will just announce a new prime minister and kid on they’ve never heard of Liz truss

[Northernhibee]

Could Labour use now to call a VONC?

[Scorrie]

Could Labour use now to call a VONC?

They could but wouldn’t win it as the tories would all band together as looking at the polls, they would get pumped

[Kato]

has Liz Truss’s version of Keith Harris taken a holiday or something? Barely mumbled her way through that press conference and now has disappeared from public view :dunno:


at this rate the Tory’s will just announce a new prime minister and kid on they’ve never heard of Liz trussShe looks barely human with a script. Ask her for the normal to and fro of conversation or questioning and the actual stupidity is revealed. Wouldn't trust her to lead a konga line.

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[Bostonhibby]

They could but wouldn’t win it as the tories would all band together as looking at the polls, they would get pumpedRevert to type, all that matters is saving their own skin.

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[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1581989327105425408?t=N7xj3RkqtqJP8QLc0dkANA&s=19

Absolutely insane

Imagine the Scottish Govt acting like this. Its beyond ridiculous

Truss should just resign and a GE should happen immediately

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[Iain G]

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1581989327105425408?t=N7xj3RkqtqJP8QLc0dkANA&s=19

Absolutely insane

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A Penny for her thoughts? :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Great question from a labour MP about Legitimacy there. Completely ignored by Mordaunt, she talked about economy when the question was about democracy. 'Lovely As I am?' Is Penny mad? :faf:

[GlesgaeHibby]

Mordaunt saying there are important reasons PM isn't in chamber, but she can't say. She also refused to deny she's off to the Palace....time up?

EDIT - right on cue, she turns up with Chancellor in the chamber

[bringbackbenny]

Mordaunt saying there are important reasons PM isn't in chamber, but she can't say. She also refused to deny she's off to the Palace....time up?

She's just appeared on the front bench!

[Bostonhibby]

She's just appeared on the front bench!Important statement about cheese, Chinese pork markets, or has she just discovered where Russia is and wants to share it with all her pals?

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[JeMeSouviens]

She's just appeared on the front bench!

But Mordaunt is still speaking for her. Beyond bizarre. :confused:

[GlesgaeHibby]

Truss looks totally broken.

[hibsbollah]

Rachel Reeves very good here. I cant wait for Truss and Hunt to do their Big Top turn.

[CropleyWasGod]

Truss looks totally broken.

Agreed.

I hope she's getting appropriate support for her mental health.

[wookie70]

Truss looks totally broken. To be fair Johnson said the fridge wasn't big enough

[GlesgaeHibby]

But Mordaunt is still speaking for her. Beyond bizarre. :confused:

Truss looks broken, terrified and has probably been told to keep her mouth shut.

[Keith_M]

Rachel Reeves very good here. I cant wait for Truss and Hunt to do their Big Top turn.



Was that an inadvertent euphemism you used there?


:greengrin

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/EmmaKennedy/status/1582039985947291654?t=pZs7D_MvuXWEVfz4JRS2ow&s=19

Genuine question

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[Stairway 2 7]

@PippaCrerar
·
NEW: Liz Truss was with Sir Graham Brady during Labour's urgent question in HoC - as per No 10 sources.

They tell me it was a pre-planned meeting - rather than crisis talks - but inevitable that lack of support among Tory MPs will have come up

[Col2]

Do we think Mortgage rates will drop if economy settles down?

Fix rate expires in just over 6 months so not sure if I should try and lock into something now (and pay a lot more) risk rates going up by waiting and hope they come down.

[Stairway 2 7]

Do we think Mortgage rates will drop if economy settles down?

Fix rate expires in just over 6 months so not sure if I should try and lock into something now (and pay a lot more) risk rates going up by waiting and hope they come down.

The estimate for next year has went from 6% to 5.3% just today. I've seen economists today say they reckon that will drop to 4.5%

Although who knows with this mayhem

[Stairway 2 7]

@PippaCrerar
·
NEW: Liz Truss was with Sir Graham Brady during Labour's urgent question in HoC - as per No 10 sources.

They tell me it was a pre-planned meeting - rather than crisis talks - but inevitable that lack of support among Tory MPs will have come up

This doesn't make sense. How is that urgent and why the silence when she did come in

[GlesgaeHibby]

Do we think Mortgage rates will drop if economy settles down?

Fix rate expires in just over 6 months so not sure if I should try and lock into something now (and pay a lot more) risk rates going up by waiting and hope they come down.

You could look to secure a deal at today's rates which would be valid for 6 months, and see where rates are nearer your remortgage and make a decision to accept that deal or apply for a remortgage at whatever rates are in 6 months.

[GlesgaeHibby]

@PippaCrerar
·
NEW: Liz Truss was with Sir Graham Brady during Labour's urgent question in HoC - as per No 10 sources.

They tell me it was a pre-planned meeting - rather than crisis talks - but inevitable that lack of support among Tory MPs will have come up

I saw him in the chamber during the urgent question. Maybe he left during it to meet her?

[Stairway 2 7]

I saw him in the chamber during the urgent question. Maybe he left during it to meet her?

Think they are saying he left 10 minutes in then returned, bizarre

[Stairway 2 7]

Ffs 😆

@NadineDorries
There is no unity candidate.

No one has enough support.

Only one MP has a mandate from party members and from the British public - a mandate with an 80 seat majority.
@BorisJohnson


The choices are simple - back Liz, if not bring back Boris or face a GE within weeks

[Callum_62]

Do we think Mortgage rates will drop if economy settles down?

Fix rate expires in just over 6 months so not sure if I should try and lock into something now (and pay a lot more) risk rates going up by waiting and hope they come down.Just get an offer now and sit on it until nearer your term Ending

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[Keith_M]

Think they are saying he left 10 minutes in then returned, bizarre


He was the one that had the key to the big fridge

[wookie70]

Ffs 😆

@NadineDorries
There is no unity candidate.

No one has enough support.

Only one MP has a mandate from party members and from the British public - a mandate with an 80 seat majority.
@BorisJohnson


The choices are simple - back Liz, if not bring back Boris or face a GE within weeks

Who would have guessed, eh pretty much everyone months ago who had a brain.

[Hibbyradge]

Who would have guessed, eh pretty much everyone months ago who had a brain.

Ah sh*t...

[Bostonhibby]

Ffs [emoji38]

@NadineDorries
There is no unity candidate.

No one has enough support.

Only one MP has a mandate from party members and from the British public - a mandate with an 80 seat majority.
@BorisJohnson


The choices are simple - back Liz, if not bring back Boris or face a GE within weeksIs this the one where a starstruck Nasty Nad does her sawing the man in half trick and when she opens the box her idol Bozo drops out still intact, and they dance off down the yellow brick road and live happily ever after?

Attention seeker.

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[wookie70]

Agreed.

I hope she's getting appropriate support for her mental health.

She'll probably have to go private given the state her Government has made of the service.

I've spent the last wee while, after your post, pondering if I should feel sympathy for a fellow human who is in such a stressful position. I'm pretty much split in two both heart and head. She and her government are probably the biggest serial killers in UK history and they have done that knowingly and with relish. On the other hand should I be like her and have no sympathy or compassion for someone in her situation, albeit it every bit of her peril is her own making. Not sure I will ever get to a definitive position.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Truss looks totally broken.

Yes, has the haunted look of someone who is just about managing to keep it together. As much as I dislike her government, I wouldn't want to see anyone having a nervous breakdown as PM. You have to wonder whether she should continue for her own sake. There's no shame in saying the job is too big and she needs to step aside for the sake of her health. It would be the courageous thing to do.

[hibsbollah]

Yes, has the haunted look of someone who is just about managing to keep it together. As much as I dislike her government, I wouldn't want to see anyone having a nervous breakdown as PM. You have to wonder whether she should continue for her own sake. There's no shame in saying the job is too big and she needs to step aside for the sake of her health. It would be the courageous thing to do.

I think we should park the sympathy until there’s something to show sympathy for. All we know now is she’s as she usually is, inarticulate and awkward. Based on previous behaviour she may be one of those characters who refuse to believe they could ever be in the wrong and the narcissism could be pathological.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I think we should park the sympathy until there’s something to show sympathy for. All we know now is she’s as she usually is, inarticulate and awkward. Based on previous behaviour she may be one of those characters who refuse to believe they could ever be in the wrong and the narcissism could be pathological.

You're a hard man :greengrin

You could be right, but someone would have to be pathological to not be feeling terrible strain in her situation. It's like watching a non-swimmer slowly drown. She is done for and knows her political career is over.

[greenlex]

You're a hard man :greengrin

You could be right, but someone would have to be pathological to not be feeling terrible strain in her situation. It's like watching a non-swimmer slowly drown. She is done for and knows her political career is over.Absolutely no sympathy from me for the shapeshifting coward. I hope she rots in Hell along side her heroine Thatcher.

[hibsbollah]

You're a hard man :greengrin

You could be right, but someone would have to be pathological to not be feeling terrible strain in her situation. It's like watching a non-swimmer slowly drown. She is done for and knows her political career is over.

Something tells me she will fall on her feet. Unlike many of those whose lives will be shortened by her repugnant party’s policies.

Ooo that was a bit pompous by me there :faf:

[Smartie]

Something tells me she will fall on her feet. Unlike many of those whose lives will be shortened by her repugnant party’s policies.

Ooo that was a bit pompous by me there :faf:

How long does she need to hold out for before she gets the book deal and the series of speaking engagements that will be lapped up by the sovereign individual crowd?

I'll save my sympathy for people who don't take on a difficult job having been warned it's a difficult job before failing in that difficult job.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Something tells me she will fall on her feet. Unlike many of those whose lives will be shortened by her repugnant party’s policies.

Ooo that was a bit pompous by me there :faf:

Oh yes, she will have the book deal etc. All former PMs can make a fortune, and her turbulent story would be a big seller, but for all the wrong reasons! The worst PM in history.

[hibsbollah]

£45 million
£50 million
£15 million
£45 million


Personal net worth of the last 4 PMs from Major to Cameron with the Labour two in the middle. Most generated by the speaking and policy writing circuit.

Theresa May is just £3million but to be fair she’s still in the first flush of youth and just getting started.

[wookie70]

Oh yes, she will have the book deal etc. All former PMs can make a fortune, and her turbulent story would be a big seller, but for all the wrong reasons! The worst PM in history.

I still think Johnson was worse merely for the unnecessary deaths during Covid and the fact he stayed when he should have been sacked about 3 times. Like Truss he was completely unsuitable for any type of office in Government never mind PM. Both struggled to put a sentence together unless on a script and both had no gravitas, conviction or empathy when they spoke.

[Hibbyradge]

How long does she need to hold out for before she gets the book deal and the series of speaking engagements that will be lapped up by the sovereign individual crowd?



There's no chance of any of that for Truss.

[Hibernia&Alba]

There's no chance of any of that for Truss.

Oh, she will get the book deal.

[Hibbyradge]

Oh, she will get the book deal.

No chance.

She hasn't anything to say, plus, and here's the crux, she can't write!

[Just_Jimmy]

No chance.

She hasn't anything to say, plus, and here's the crux, she can't write!Or read and speak for the audio version.

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[Smartie]

No chance.

She hasn't anything to say, plus, and here's the crux, she can't write!

You don't think there's a captive audience for a padded out version of "I was right, you lot are all right and I was derailed by the pesky anti-growth coalition (including those within our own party) who didn't give me enough time to implement what we all know to be right"?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Who are the right-wing think tanks that so influenced Truss and Kwarteng?


https://youtu.be/9x5jL5jnVFI

[Col2]

The estimate for next year has went from 6% to 5.3% just today. I've seen economists today say they reckon that will drop to 4.5%

Although who knows with this mayhem

Thanks that’s interesting.

[Col2]

You could look to secure a deal at today's rates which would be valid for 6 months, and see where rates are nearer your remortgage and make a decision to accept that deal or apply for a remortgage at whatever rates are in 6 months.

Good call. Hadn’t thought about that. Thought I might be committed.

[hibsbollah]

Who are the right-wing think tanks that so influenced Truss and Kwarteng?


https://youtu.be/9x5jL5jnVFI

Institute of Economic Affairs is the big one.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/29/rightwing-thinktank-conservative-boris-johnson-brexit-atlas-network

[Col2]

Absolutely no sympathy from me for the shapeshifting coward. I hope she rots in Hell along side her heroine Thatcher.

Yup hate is a strong word but I despise everything about Truss. She offers nothing and has caused huge damage in a matter of days. I wishe her the very worst for the rest of her career and I hope the £115k she is guaranteed each year from now in as former PM is challenged and reversed.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/scotlandtonight/status/1582115595952173056?s=46&t=R2MlpLpf8rj5a5tJgZ2dig

He really is special.[emoji23]


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[Hibbyradge]

You don't think there's a captive audience for a padded out version of "I was right, you lot are all right and I was derailed by the pesky anti-growth coalition (including those within our own party) who didn't give me enough time to implement what we all know to be right"?

No. Certainly not enough to get a book contract.

[Kato]

Yup hate is a strong word but I despise everything about Truss. She offers nothing and has caused huge damage in a matter of days. I wishe her the very worst for the rest of her career and I hope the £115k she is guaranteed each year from now in as former PM is challenged and reversed.People are going hungry and some will die of cold through the winter. It's hard to summon up any empathy for those who have caused this, whether it be her mental health or physical stress it's nothing to what she has already consigned people to.

Step back and look at what happened. She and Kwarteng have been hothoused and sponsored by Hedge fund types for years. Within hours of their first meaningful actions in power they've engineered a few billion in the direction of hedge funds. Its daylight robbery and "feeling concerned" about her doesn't figure on the horizon for me.

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[Callum_62]

I wonder where the concern is for the mental health of the FM of our country who's attacked pretty much daily by the press

Sympathy for Lizz Truss? Do one.

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[Bostonhibby]

People are going hungry and some will die of cold through the winter. It's hard to summon up any empathy for those who have caused this, whether it be her mental health or physical stress it's nothing to what she has already consigned people to.

Step back and look at what happened. She and Kwarteng have been hothoused and sponsored by Hedge fund types for years. Within hours of their first meaningful actions in power they've engineered a few billion in the direction of hedge funds. Its daylight robbery and "feeling concerned" about her doesn't figure on the horizon for me.

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Schemed and connived her way to where she is, sat in every Bozo cabinet and deserves not a shred of sympathy given what she was content to unleash before and since she became PM. Surrounded herself with folk based on their apparent loyalty to her so maybe they'll help her out.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Having listened to Truss being interviewed by Chris Mason of the beeb this morning, I'm not altogether sure she'd pass a Turing Test. :dunno:

[wookie70]

Having listened to Truss being interviewed by Chris Mason of the beeb this morning, I'm not altogether sure she'd pass a Turing Test. :dunno:

He should have asked her what day of the week it was. She is basically repeating a mantra regardless of the question. Worked for her predecessor for many months after he should have been sacked. IF she can get the mantra distilled into 3 words she has a chance

[Bostonhibby]

He should have asked her what day of the week it was. She is basically repeating a mantra regardless of the question. Worked for her predecessor for many months after he should have been sacked. IF she can get the mantra distilled into 3 words she has a chanceWhat one word fits with pork and cheese, her other 2 "highlights"?

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[grunt]

https://youtu.be/IRDLIOME47c

[Logie Green]

BBC political reporter Ian Watson was on Radio 5 earlier talking about the various meeting Truss attended last night.

An un-named Tory said that listening to her was like hearing a corpse deliver its own eulogy.

[makaveli1875]

BBC political reporter Ian Watson was on Radio 5 earlier talking about the various meeting Truss attended last night.

An un-named Tory said that listening to her was like hearing a corpse deliver its own eulogy.

It’s over , she must surely realise it .

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://youtu.be/IRDLIOME47c

Excellent video, grunt. A cabal of fundamentalist lunatics, funded by extremely wealthy people, were behind the crazy mini budget; now they must be put under the spotlight. The general public has no idea what goes on.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It’s over , she must surely realise it .

She probably does, it's now just a matter of trying to save a little face before leaving. The party can't afford yet another leadership contest, so they will allow Truss to limp on until a consensus replacement can be agreed.

[nonshinyfinish]

She probably does, it's now just a matter of trying to save a little face before leaving. The party can't afford yet another leadership contest, so they will allow Truss to limp on until a consensus replacement can be agreed.

Is there an established means to replace the leader without a contest, or is it a case of rewriting the rules first?

[xyz23jc]

I wonder where the concern is for the mental health of the FM of our country who's attacked pretty much daily by the press

Sympathy for Lizz Truss? Do one.

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:thumbsup::agree::top marks

[WhileTheChief..]

It’s over , she must surely realise it .

Yup. The only thing she'll be doing right now is to work out how to leave without causing more problems. I doubt she wants to stay in post now, it must be a monumental embarrassment for her with her friends and family, let alone MPs.

I'd simply like to see her resign, preferably this week, Jeremy Hunt to take over, and immediately call for a GE to take place as soon as it can be. Before Xmas if possible.

If the Conservatives lose a couple of hundred MPs then so be it. The Commons needs new blood.

12+ years is enough for any government and change is needed. It gives them 5 years to sort themselves out.

Starmer has had a few years to prepare Labour so it might not be all be bad!!

[Hibernia&Alba]

Is there an established means to replace the leader without a contest, or is it a case of rewriting the rules first?

No need for a contest if the parliamentary party gets behind one person.

[Ozyhibby]

No need for a contest if the parliamentary party gets behind one person.

Shame they all hate each other.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Having listened to Truss being interviewed by Chris Mason of the beeb this morning, I'm not altogether sure she'd pass a Turing Test. :dunno:



Lots of rumours she might have been prescribed valium to get her through this moment, given her demeanour. I have no idea, but she wouldn't be the first person to be medicated to deal with the pressures of leadership. Perhaps it's just the rabbit frozen in the car headlights look. She just isn't equipped to deal with this. Everything she hoped for (which was terrible) has come crashing down within a few weeks. The strain must be intolerable. It's good for the country that her crazy agenda has been shelved, and she's the creator of her own demise; hubris is a dangerous thing in politics.

[Callum_62]

Whats the best charts to predict possible mortgage rates?

We are off fix end of next year and wondering if paying the break and re fixing now is wise, or pointless

Or is it so difficult to tell that trying to made a best guess is futile?

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[Santa Cruz]

Whats the best charts to predict possible mortgage rates?

We are off fix end of next year and wondering if paying the break and re fixing now is wise, or pointless

Or is it so difficult to tell that trying to made a best guess is futile?

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Might be worth watching Martin Lewis' show on ITV at 8pm tonight. Gets asked this question weekly. Think he'll end up in politics at some point.

[Jack]

Might be worth watching Martin Lewis' show on ITV at 8pm tonight. Gets asked this question weekly. Think he'll end up in politics at some point.

I think he's a man of principle so it's unlikely.

[BroxburnHibee]

Might be worth watching Martin Lewis' show on ITV at 8pm tonight. Gets asked this question weekly. Think he'll end up in politics at some point.

He's already said he'd like a seat in the HOL.

[Stairway 2 7]

Whats the best charts to predict possible mortgage rates?

We are off fix end of next year and wondering if paying the break and re fixing now is wise, or pointless

Or is it so difficult to tell that trying to made a best guess is futile?

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If you go to economy on the spectator data hub it has the most recent estimate.

https://data.spectator.co.uk/category/recovery

26246

Has it peaking at 5% next summer then dropping to 4 over the next year.

[Santa Cruz]

I think he's a man of principle so it's unlikely.

made me laugh. you're no doubt right.

[Santa Cruz]

He's already said he'd like a seat in the HOL.

Never knew that. Quite a strange thing to say imo, doesn't give off that vibe.

I don't really like his programmes, he's too hyper and overloads with info. I prefer his weekly email set up, sometimes he can highlight good offers, most of the time his advice is just common sense. I reckon he serves more use to younger people getting to grips with learning to manage their money.

[Northernhibee]

Theo Usherwood tweeting that a Tory MP has said that they’re trying to find a unity candidate, Johnson supporters won’t accept Sunak and vice versa, they’ve considered Theresa May but the ERG won’t go for it.

A total mess, can only see a general election being the way out of this. Just depends how long they put party before country.

[grunt]

A total mess, can only see a general election being the way out of this. Just depends how long they put party before country.
I wouldn't hold your breath. They haven't put country first in 12 years.

[Kato]

https://youtu.be/IRDLIOME47chttps://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1582303415576715265?t=bQ_Qh8OQqk4oEStMlOEEuw&s=19

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[Since90+2]

Tories ain't calling a general election any time soon. They'd be absolutely decimated and a huge number of Tory MPs would lose their seats.

It's the right thing to do, not that makes any difference to a Tory.

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/GillibrandPeter/status/1582360897645064192?s=20&t=dnZbxo_Wq9f2_TRMDPzbEQ


The First Minister of Wales, Mark Drakeford, has just shouted at the leader of the Welsh Conservatives, Andrew RT Davies, in the Senedd after a question about the Welsh NHS…Drakeford shaking with anger.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Theo Usherwood tweeting that a Tory MP has said that they’re trying to find a unity candidate, Johnson supporters won’t accept Sunak and vice versa, they’ve considered Theresa May but the ERG won’t go for it.

A total mess, can only see a general election being the way out of this. Just depends how long they put party before country.

IMHO, Penny Mordaunt is the one who could be acceptable to most of them. Jeremy Hunt is anti-Brexit, which makes him toxic to many of them.

[grunt]

6% of people think the Tories are managing the economy well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfW8ifyXwAMl5Tn?format=jpg&name=large

[Hibernia&Alba]

Liz Truss performance rating at -70. That is unprecedented for any PM since polling began.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Liz Truss performance rating at -70. That is unprecedented for any PM since polling began.

Truss is nearly as unpopular as Putin

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1582291581775712256?t=Xg06VaBvgEsq3l-oFMmKTQ&s=19

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/GillibrandPeter/status/1582360897645064192?s=20&t=dnZbxo_Wq9f2_TRMDPzbEQ

Drakeford shaking with anger.Thoroughly decent guy, surprised he's held back so long.

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[grunt]

Tory cost of living crisis / heat or eat

https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=29741


Almost 30 council and community venues have been announced as part of a network of designated welcome places for Glaswegians ahead of the onset of winter and as the cost of living and energy crisis continues to impact people of all ages.

[Jack]

I wouldn't hold your breath. They haven't put country first in 12 years.

They haven't put the country first since 1834.

[grunt]

They haven't put the country first since 1834.Before my time.

[Stairway 2 7]

Truss is nearly as unpopular as Putin

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1582291581775712256?t=Xg06VaBvgEsq3l-oFMmKTQ&s=19

It'll be the same 10% that like both

[Moulin Yarns]

Liz Truss is no longer promising to raising state pensions in line with surging inflation, as she asks ministers to look for spending cuts.

The prime minister said two weeks ago she was "committed" to the triple lock, so payments rise by whatever is higher: inflation (price rises), average earnings or 2.5%


She got the top job under false promises!!!

[grunt]

Liz Truss is no longer promising to raising state pensions in line with surging inflation, as she asks ministers to look for spending cuts. The prime minister said two weeks ago she was "committed" to the triple lock, so payments rise by whatever is higher: inflation (price rises), average earnings or 2.5% She got the top job under false promises!!!
It was also a 2019 Conservative Manifesto promise.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Liz Truss is no longer promising to raising state pensions in line with surging inflation, as she asks ministers to look for spending cuts.

The prime minister said two weeks ago she was "committed" to the triple lock, so payments rise by whatever is higher: inflation (price rises), average earnings or 2.5%


She got the top job under false promises!!!

Pensioners are vital to the Tory vote; they can't afford to alienate that voting block. They seem intent upon destroying themselves.

[Northernhibee]

Liz Truss is no longer promising to raising state pensions in line with surging inflation, as she asks ministers to look for spending cuts.

The prime minister said two weeks ago she was "committed" to the triple lock, so payments rise by whatever is higher: inflation (price rises), average earnings or 2.5%


She got the top job under false promises!!!
That’ll be the majority of the 20% they’re still registering in the polls.

I thought it was likely bollocks but I think they’ll be lucky to win 50 seats at the next election.

[cabbageandribs1875]

last week but a byelection in Leicester, blamed on the labour candidate supporting the BJP party in india, so the numbnuts prefer to put a detestable Tory in ffs
:rolleyes:
Leicester council byelection sees huge swing to Tories in area hit by unrest | Leicester | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/14/huge-swing-tories-local-byelection-leicester-area-unrest-north-evington)




https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/311426587_10225515700213084_8965898796443343819_n. jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=h1jCFi5EneIAX-tgcDQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_ShHelmludQjfSPP4SPt6f2XTTUX_vtET88eI2S1v4 Bw&oe=635329E7

[hibsbollah]

Tories fighting back, Charles Walker voting against new disorderly protest legislation

They leave me absolutely cold. In fact, I go as far as to say they are appalling. Absolutely appalling, because there are plenty of existing laws that can be utilised to deal with people who specialise in making other people’s lives miserable …
The idea that in this country, we are going to ankle tag someone who has not been convicted in a court of law ... I mean, I tell you what, those Chinese in their embassy will be watching this very closely at the moment, they might actually be applying for some of this stuff when we pass it in this place as I suspect we will.
This is as unconservative as our budget of a few weeks ago. This is not what the Conservative party does, we believe in proportionate laws, like we used to believe in sound money.
So I will be voting against this. I will be joining with honourable members across the house to vote against this piece of legislation.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i know it's a comic,a bad one at that, but sometimes some of this comics headlines are just brilliant

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfWaSaJXgAgYRSx?format=jpg&name=large

[wookie70]

I wouldn't hold your breath. They haven't put country first in 12 years. That is a gross underestimate

[Kato]

Tories fighting back, Charles Walker voting against new disorderly protest legislation

They leave me absolutely cold. In fact, I go as far as to say they are appalling. Absolutely appalling, because there are plenty of existing laws that can be utilised to deal with people who specialise in making other people’s lives miserable …
The idea that in this country, we are going to ankle tag someone who has not been convicted in a court of law ... I mean, I tell you what, those Chinese in their embassy will be watching this very closely at the moment, they might actually be applying for some of this stuff when we pass it in this place as I suspect we will.
This is as unconservative as our budget of a few weeks ago. This is not what the Conservative party does, we believe in proportionate laws, like we used to believe in sound money.
So I will be voting against this. I will be joining with honourable members across the house to vote against this piece of legislation.Their 2019 manifesto has been abandoned completely . Stuff being made up and wheeled out as new policies then shut down ASAP.

Local authorities in England spent millions prepping for levelling up which has been shown to be an expensive slogan.

There should be a general election.

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[hibsbollah]

Thoroughly decent guy, surprised he's held back so long.

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That Andrew RT Davis is a prize cock of a man, absolutely unbearable on a Question Time I had the misfortune to watch.

[hibsbollah]

Their 2019 manifesto has been abandoned completely . Stuff being made up and wheeled out as new policies then shut down ASAP.

Local authorities in England spent millions prepping for levelling up which has been shown to be an expensive slogan.

There should be a general election.

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The thing is, Priti Patel already enacted sweeping anti protest legislation in the summer. Braverman comes in and just wants to show she’s more draconian than the previous most draconian. The right to protest has never been more under threat. When even Lord Poncenby-Aristo Smythe and his mates are voting against it you know the nutcases and wannabe fascists have taken over.

[cabbageandribs1875]

some thinking Truss is holding out for the two months so she can get the ex PM payment of £115k/year for life :hmmm: no idea if that's the rules but wouldn't surprise me, sickening if so

[makaveli1875]

some thinking Truss is holding out for the two months so she can get the ex PM payment of £115k/year for life :hmmm: no idea if that's the rules but wouldn't surprise me, sickening if so

She should be in jail for what she’s done , never mind getting a pay off

[Stairway 2 7]

Inside 'the end of days' in the Tory party, by
@theipaper


No agreement on 'unity candidate' - major gripes expressed about all contenders

But: "It can’t go on like this. She’s toast

She’s more ****ed than Boris," a veteran of previous leadership collapses says. "When your personal ratings are -70 and the party is -33, there’s no way out of that."

Even MPs with large five-figure majorities are worried about career prospects now

But who comes next?

One MP tells us: "I don’t think Ben Wallace wants it... If we got Rishi I think actually that will be worse because you’d get half the party that wouldn’t back him." The other option is Boris Johnson - "but we cannot do that

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/inside-tory-party-despair-replace-liz-truss-1919213

[Hibernia&Alba]

Inside 'the end of days' in the Tory party, by
@theipaper


No agreement on 'unity candidate' - major gripes expressed about all contenders

But: "It can’t go on like this. She’s toast

She’s more ****ed than Boris," a veteran of previous leadership collapses says. "When your personal ratings are -70 and the party is -33, there’s no way out of that."

Even MPs with large five-figure majorities are worried about career prospects now

But who comes next?

One MP tells us: "I don’t think Ben Wallace wants it... If we got Rishi I think actually that will be worse because you’d get half the party that wouldn’t back him." The other option is Boris Johnson - "but we cannot do that

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/inside-tory-party-despair-replace-liz-truss-1919213

They have been around for 200 years and there are still millions of idiots who will vote for them. It's bizarre, but they will recover.
If I was a Tory backbencher with a seat that is still salvageable, I would say put Mordaunt in there. Most of the public know little about her, which is what the Tories need just now, as most of them are badly tainted from the past twelve years. All of the other likely candidates would have a big chunk of the party and the public against them.

[Pretty Boy]

No one with any personal ambitions will touch the job. If they can keep it to a 97/01 level decimation then they will have done well. 05 would be a miracle. They need a has been or a never gonna be who is also palatable to all the factions in a party that has torn itself apart. Good luck with that.

It's terrifying that we could have to limp on with this for another 2+ years. When a party is looking to crown leaders and is making up major policy on the hoof with no mandate then it should be general election time. The opposition are somewhat impotent though, even if they call a vote of no confidence there will likely be enough careerists in the Tory party quite happy with another couple of years on the gravy train to keep them going on life support.

[Hibernia&Alba]

No one with any personal ambitions will touch the job. If they can keep it to a 97/01 level decimation then they will have done well. 05 would be a miracle. They need a has been or a never gonna be who is also palatable to all the factions in a party that has torn itself apart. Good luck with that.

It's terrifying that we could have to limp on with this for another 2+ years. When a party is looking to crown leaders and is making up major policy on the hoof with no mandate then it should be general election time. The opposition are somewhat impotent though, even if they call a vote of no confidence there will likely be enough careerists in the Tory party quite happy with another couple of years on the gravy train to keep them going on life support.

Gie it tae big Penny :hilarious :lolrangers:

[Bostonhibby]

Tories fighting back, Charles Walker voting against new disorderly protest legislation

They leave me absolutely cold. In fact, I go as far as to say they are appalling. Absolutely appalling, because there are plenty of existing laws that can be utilised to deal with people who specialise in making other people’s lives miserable …
The idea that in this country, we are going to ankle tag someone who has not been convicted in a court of law ... I mean, I tell you what, those Chinese in their embassy will be watching this very closely at the moment, they might actually be applying for some of this stuff when we pass it in this place as I suspect we will.
This is as unconservative as our budget of a few weeks ago. This is not what the Conservative party does, we believe in proportionate laws, like we used to believe in sound money.
So I will be voting against this. I will be joining with honourable members across the house to vote against this piece of legislation.Deflect off into making disorderly conduct the new headline. Will be lapped up by the core vote, until their fuel bill arrives and it dawns on them that pensions might not be as safeguarded as they thought and the Nasties still haven't sorted out the all important border security.

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[Bostonhibby]

That Andrew RT Davis is a prize cock of a man, absolutely unbearable on a Question Time I had the misfortune to watch.Yep, 5 minutes in a windowless room with no door is sufficient for a proper man to man debate with this sort of creature. Hopefully the Welsh people have him in their sights.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Will Truss take PMQs tomorrow? Looking at her over the past couple of days, she doesn't look capable of withstanding it. Question Time will be a blood sport, if she goes ahead; and there is no point from her perspective: she is finished, it's over.

[Glory Lurker]

Will Truss take PMQs tomorrow? Looking at her over the past couple of days, she doesn't look capable of withstanding it. Question Time will be a blood sport, if she goes ahead; and there is no point from her perspective: she is finished, it's over.

It'll be prime viewing.

[Stairway 2 7]

Tory polling is ridiculous

Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
·
9h
Across all polls Liz Truss and the Conservatives are, on average, 29 pts behind Labour. The last time the party was this far behind was March 1997, two months before you know what

Liz Truss's net rating collapses to a new low of -70 (YouGov). If you want a reference point Prince Andrew is -80

The Labour Party is now more popular than the Conservative Party among Brexit voters. This has simply been a masterclass in how to ***** up a political realignment

[Bostonhibby]

Will Truss take PMQs tomorrow? Looking at her over the past couple of days, she doesn't look capable of withstanding it. Question Time will be a blood sport, if she goes ahead; and there is no point from her perspective: she is finished, it's over.If we are talking about full blown "unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible" why not give Coffey a go in the mastermind chair?

A couple of bottles of chardonnay and a decent Havana cigar beforehand should see her through?

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Tory polling is ridiculous

Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
·
9h
Across all polls Liz Truss and the Conservatives are, on average, 29 pts behind Labour. The last time the party was this far behind was March 1997, two months before you know what

Liz Truss's net rating collapses to a new low of -70 (YouGov). If you want a reference point Prince Andrew is -80

The Labour Party is now more popular than the Conservative Party among Brexit voters. This has simply been a masterclass in how to ***** up a political realignment

Pleasing

[hibsbollah]

Just imagine the chaos if it was Corbyn though.

[Northernhibee]

Redfield Wilton poll out today has Labour 40 points ahead.

[Bostonhibby]

Redfield Wilton poll out today has Labour 40 points ahead.Easy on the eyehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221018/7a3493ac9836dc5bfc5ec58f19975793.jpg

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[Hibbyradge]

Just imagine the chaos if it was Corbyn though.

That has crossed my mind more than once...

[hibsbollah]

That has crossed my mind more than once...

Hyper inflation.
Dodgy Russian connnections.
Leadership at the top :faf:
Divided party.
Massive debts.
Winter power cuts.
Strikes.
Rubbish piling high in the steeets.


We’ve been gaslit. And if anyone is genuinely spending time worryingit would have been worse under Corbyn, they’ve been doubly gaslit.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/wsebag/status/1582627610466533377?s=46&t=EHHolMGNcMFuplrXLtViXA
Shouldn’t laugh really.[emoji23]


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[OldEast]

https://twitter.com/wsebag/status/1582627610466533377?s=46&t=EHHolMGNcMFuplrXLtViXA
Shouldn’t laugh really.[emoji23]


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Best one I've seen. Genuinely laughing out loud.

[Hibbyradge]

Hyper inflation.
Dodgy Russian connnections.
Leadership at the top :faf:
Divided party.
Massive debts.
Winter power cuts.
Strikes.
Rubbish piling high in the steeets.


We’ve been gaslit. And if anyone is genuinely spending time worryingit would have been worse under Corbyn, they’ve been doubly gaslit.

I'm not thinking that. I'm wondering how Labour would be doing in the polls, how far they would be ahead etc.

He'd still be getting portrayed as a dangerous bogey-man etc but would all that be put to one side because of Truss and the mini-budget?

I've not reached any conclusions, but it's interesting to think about how JC would have performed throughout the aftermath of Brexit, Covid, Johnson and the current chaos.

[grunt]

Public Order Bill

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfaYtzVWQAMpr7j?format=jpg&name=large

[JeMeSouviens]

Redfield Wilton poll out today has Labour 40 points ahead.

That's just in the "Red Wall" seats.

It was "only" 36 points across the UK as a whole. :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

I'm not thinking that. I'm wondering how Labour would be doing in the polls, how far they would be ahead etc.

He'd still be getting portrayed as a dangerous bogey-man etc but would all that be put to one side because of Truss and the mini-budget?

I've not reached any conclusions, but it's interesting to think about how JC would have performed throughout the aftermath of Brexit, Covid, Johnson and the current chaos.

Yes I agree. Thinking about hypothetical scenarios is a good thing.
I particularly worry that by 2024 when and if the Tories are gone, the UK may be so badly gutted and damaged, and the gulf between rich and poor so vast, it will take a generation to properly fix.

[hibsbollah]

Public Order Bill

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfaYtzVWQAMpr7j?format=jpg&name=large

Can you imagine? Going to a protest, (it could be as inoccuous as fans congregate outside a ground demanding the sacking of an unpopular manager, theoretically). You are then put on a list controlling where you can and can't go, who you can and can't associate with, you have to wear a tag. There's no legal process. Its extrajudicial.

Just to be clear and to the people who think "we are still better than most other countries so don't worry", the Chinese do this is Xinjiang to the Uighurs, and there is more right to protest in Iran. I suppose its true that you have no rights at all to protest in Pyongyang, but is that where we set the bar these days?

[Moulin Yarns]

Can you imagine? Going to a protest, (it could be as inoccuous as fans congregate outside a ground demanding the sacking of an unpopular manager, theoretically). You are then put on a list controlling where you can and can't go, who you can and can't associate with, you have to wear a tag. There's no legal process. Its extrajudicial.

Just to be clear and to the people who think "we are still better than most other countries so don't worry", the Chinese do this is Xinjiang to the Uighurs, and there is more right to protest in Iran. You have no rights at all to protest in Pyongyang, but is that where we set the bar these days?

I imagine Greta Thunburg comes under the legislation for marching to COP26

[hibsbollah]

I imagine Greta Thunburg comes under the legislation for marching to COP26

:agree:and could a picket line also be classified as 'a protest'?

[Killiehibbie]

Public Order Bill

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfaYtzVWQAMpr7j?format=jpg&name=large

I can see a few cases going to court and this unjust act being binned

[grunt]

I can see a few cases going to court and this unjust act being binned
Cases don't go to court any more in England & Wales. Four year waiting list for cases to be heard.

[JeMeSouviens]

PMQ's - mega cringe.

I mean it's nice to bash the Tories but this is just an embarrassment.

[Ozyhibby]

Pensioners should be worried as she has just committed to keeping the triple lock. [emoji51]


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[Northernhibee]

PMQ's - mega cringe.

I mean it's nice to bash the Tories but this is just an embarrassment.
Between Starmer and Blackford that was an evisceration. Plenty of one liners that will make the news, a trap set and bait taken, rapturous back benches.

[MartinfaePorty]

'Militant' getting trawled out again as their preferred epithet for trade unions. Make no mistake, if they could they would make them illegal or at least neuter them into a state of powerlessness.

[JeMeSouviens]

Pensioners should be worried as she has just committed to keeping the triple lock. [emoji51]


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The triple lock that Hunt refused to commit to on Monday. :dunno:

[hibsbollah]

Tories that dont want fracking have been told its the equivalent of a confidence motion in the government tonight, 3 line whip. So fracking, with all those gas company donations flowing into Tory coffers, is now as firm a Govt policy as support for Ukraine, or the royal family, or capitalism. But they fought the 2017 election on the exact opposite policy. Zac Goldsmith will be turning in his grave (coughcough), i mean, life peerage. Lancashire with quite a few Red Wall new Tory MPS, will be the guinea pig. Dont drink the water oop there.

[Just Alf]

Public Order Bill

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfaYtzVWQAMpr7j?format=jpg&name=large
I can see a few cases going to court and this unjust act being binnedAgreed.. what gets me is that a party in the UK even considers implementing something like this in the first place.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1582702483750936577?s=46&t=Qk9gSWK1mFwrFBaxmyA1hg

Not getting any easier for her.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Tories that dont want fracking have been told its the equivalent of a confidence motion in the government tonight, 3 line whip. So fracking, with all those gas company donations flowing into Tory coffers, is now as firm a Govt policy as support for Ukraine, or the royal family, or capitalism. But they fought the 2017 election on the exact opposite policy. Zac Goldsmith will be turning in his grave (coughcough), i mean, life peerage. Lancashire with quite a few Red Wall new Tory MPS, will be the guinea pig. Dont drink the water oop there.

Who's driving the fracking thing? Is it Rees Mogg or is this a personal Truss thing? It's bizarre: it's been tried, it doesn't work well in UK geology and the public hate it. Why would you push on given the current omnishambles?

Same with the solar farms thing but the opposite way round. It's just plain weird bad politics. :dunno:

[overdrive]

Cruella Braverman sacked as Home Secretary

Edit: link: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/19/suella-braverman-departs-as-uk-home-secretary-liz-truss

Grant 20 Names Shapps looks like the replacement

Edit: sorry looks like resigned

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/19/suella-braverman-departs-as-uk-home-secretary-liz-truss

Braverman gone.


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[grunt]

Cruella Braverman sacked as Home Secretary

Sacked? Or resigned?

[overdrive]

Sacked? Or resigned?

Sorry, looks like she resigned. Didn't read far enough down :greengrin

[overdrive]

Actually, weirdly, the same Guardian article on my phone has a different paragraph in the middle of it to what appears on my laptop. One says she was sacked, one implies she resigned.

[Bostonhibby]

Tories that dont want fracking have been told its the equivalent of a confidence motion in the government tonight, 3 line whip. So fracking, with all those gas company donations flowing into Tory coffers, is now as firm a Govt policy as support for Ukraine, or the royal family, or capitalism. But they fought the 2017 election on the exact opposite policy. Zac Goldsmith will be turning in his grave (coughcough), i mean, life peerage. Lancashire with quite a few Red Wall new Tory MPS, will be the guinea pig. Dont drink the water oop there.Some decent potential fracking sites in and around Sussex, just saying like.

The model is much more likely to be people who trouser the profits from fracking live there whilst the actual drilling is much further north.

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[bringbackbenny]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/19/suella-braverman-departs-as-uk-home-secretary-liz-truss

Braverman gone.


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https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1582755650672525313?t=jfdo7OeubPSyRNZtUhwG2g&s=19

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1582755650672525313?t=jfdo7OeubPSyRNZtUhwG2g&s=19

😆 bizarre. Coalition of chaos 1 - cruella 0

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/19/suella-braverman-departs-as-uk-home-secretary-liz-truss

Braverman gone.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkGoing to set up an even Nastier Party? Daily flights to Rwanda for creatures who see that as their ideal xmas break?

Let's not forget who appointed her.

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[Stairway 2 7]

The tories are basically triggers broom

[grunt]

Sorry, looks like she resigned. Didn't read far enough down :greengrinI wasn't criticising you, I think it's genuinely unclear. Peston is saying she was asked to resign. So in my book that's both sacked and resigned, with sacked in the lead at 52%.

[ronaldo7]

Sacked? Or resigned?

Sent to Rwanda. 😊

[Moulin Yarns]

Another Tory MP has said that he no longer supports Liz Truss as prime minister.

William Wragg says he has written to Graham Brady to say he has no confidence in the PM.

Brady is the chair of the 1922 committee of backbench Conservative MPs, and he's the person who collects letters from his fellow Tory MPs who want the PM to go.

Under Conservative Party rules, Truss is safe from a confidence vote for a year after entering office - but the rules could be changed, theoretically, if enough MPs want it.

Wragg said he wanted to vote with Labour on this evening's motion on fracking - but couldn't as he didn't want to be suspended from the parliamentary Tory party (known as losing the whip).

The government has told Tory MPs that they must not vote with Labour on the motion.

Wragg said in the Commons that he didn't want to lose the whip - or indeed his own position as vice-chair of the 1922 committee - as the letter he has sent to Brady would no longer count

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1582755650672525313?t=jfdo7OeubPSyRNZtUhwG2g&s=19

The revolving door is working overtime

[Andy Bee]

Another Tory MP has said that he no longer supports Liz Truss as prime minister.

William Wragg says he has written to Graham Brady to say he has no confidence in the PM.

Brady is the chair of the 1922 committee of backbench Conservative MPs, and he's the person who collects letters from his fellow Tory MPs who want the PM to go.

Under Conservative Party rules, Truss is safe from a confidence vote for a year after entering office - but the rules could be changed, theoretically, if enough MPs want it.

Wragg said he wanted to vote with Labour on this evening's motion on fracking - but couldn't as he didn't want to be suspended from the parliamentary Tory party (known as losing the whip).

The government has told Tory MPs that they must not vote with Labour on the motion.

Wragg said in the Commons that he didn't want to lose the whip - or indeed his own position as vice-chair of the 1922 committee - as the letter he has sent to Brady would no longer count

IIRC the rules are for PM's who have beaten a no confidence vote, they can't face another vote for a year. Truss is a new PM so doesn't qualify as that.

[Stairway 2 7]

Hard to keep up. There would be uproar if a bowling club was ran like this

MrHarryCole
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NEW: what a tangled web they weave… Sources say Javid was in running for Home Sec after massive row between Suella and PM last night about relaxing visas - but forced out one of her closest advisers this morning so now likely to be Shapps

@SamCoatesSky
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Tory MPs absolutely incredulous that they're being told they will lose the whip if they don't vote for the fracking motion which breaks the 2019 Tory manifesto.

And I don't get the impression chief whip Wendy Morton has good answers to obvious questions

[grunt]

There is some irony to the fact that her departure was announced by the Guardian.

[Moulin Yarns]

Over the last few days, journalists have been hurriedly preparing their political obituaries for Prime Minister Truss just as we did towards the end of Theresa May and Boris Johnson’s terms in office.

In preparing just such a piece I was looking back at the Conservative leadership hustings in Perth, only a couple of months ago. I found a bit that really struck a chord.

I had asked her what help she would provide for families and businesses struggling with soaring energy bills and she dismissed Labour’s six-month plan as a sticking plaster.

I pressed her for details of what she would do, but she said she couldn’t write the next Budget at that stage – in August – so I suggested she was asking people to vote for her and see what they get.

Indignantly she said: “I can assure you that is not the way my Government would work. What I believe is in appointing competent people who get the job done.

Two months on, the two-year support deal for domestic and business users which was the centrepiece of Prime Minister Truss’ first chancellor’s not-so-mini-Budget has been slashed to just six months by her second chancellor.

As a former health secretary, I suppose Jeremy Hunt has some experience of sticking plasters, and the financial markets seem to think he is more competent than his predecessor.

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfcaJIRXwAENodi?format=jpg&name=medium

[JeMeSouviens]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfcaJIRXwAENodi?format=jpg&name=medium

Rats turning on one another - Para 3 is dripping :devil:

[Just_Jimmy]

The very incompetent grant shapps returning to make a complete **** of this job too.



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[Bostonhibby]

The very incompetent grant shapps returning to make a complete **** of this job too.



Sent from my SM-G991B using TapatalkGreat timing for schapps to slope off from transport. What a shambles he has presided over

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[hibsbollah]

Who's driving the fracking thing? Is it Rees Mogg or is this a personal Truss thing? It's bizarre: it's been tried, it doesn't work well in UK geology and the public hate it. Why would you push on given the current omnishambles?

Same with the solar farms thing but the opposite way round. It's just plain weird bad politics. :dunno:

Every time fracking is mentioned, it is always followed by 'energy security' and 'Putins War in Ukraine', as justification. It seems to be all they think they need. I can't see any communities anywhere supporting fracking, and for that reason I can't see any prospective MP or local authority supporting it either. It will either require pushing through without the local consultation they are promising, or ridiculous levels of pork-barrelling and financial sweeteners to those areas in the form of grants or infrastructure projects, the means for which the UK treasury is clearly lacking. It would be a disaster politically before we even start on the science.

[Kato]

The very incompetent grant shapps returning to make a complete **** of this job too.



Sent from my SM-G991B using TapatalkA fraud and a con-man.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

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[Kato]

Every time fracking is mentioned, it is always followed by 'energy security' and 'Putins War in Ukraine', as justification. It seems to be all they think they need. I can't see any communities anywhere supporting fracking, and for that reason I can't see any prospective MP or local authority supporting it either. It will either require pushing through without the local consultation they are promising, or ridiculous levels of pork-barrelling and financial sweeteners to those areas in the form of grants or infrastructure projects, the means for which the UK treasury is clearly lacking. It would be a disaster politically before we even start on the science.There will be plenty govt grants just for starting up fracking, which will never happen.

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[hibsbollah]

Great timing for schapps to slope off from transport. What a shambles he has presided over

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She's brought in Shapps? But she sacked him from his job when she was made leader, expressly because he supported Sunak in the runoff:confused: They are enemies. There's no way this is her decision, the country is being ruled by tories operating from the shadows. Its a farce.

[grunt]

Dominic Cummings poisoning the well once more:


given Gvt docs, incl OFF-SEN, are routinely circulated by top no10 & CABOFF officials by gmail and whatsapp DAILY, the idea that sending a draft WMS via gmail = sacking/resignation offence is laughable.

clearly fired by PM / Hunt

[hibsbollah]

There will be plenty govt grants just for starting up franking, which will never happen.

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I used to like our old franking machine when i helped out in the mailroom. Second job after school. Happy times.

[Bostonhibby]

She's brought in Shapps? But she sacked him from his job when she was made leader, expressly because he supported Sunak in the runoff:confused: They are enemies. There's no way this is her decision, the country is being ruled by tories operating from the shadows. Its a farce.I agree, schapps is the ultimate survivor, achieves nothing, leaves a mess but always seems to fit.

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[Bostonhibby]

I used to like our old franking machine when i helped out in the mailroom. Second job after school. Happy times.[emoji23]
Part of my training when I started work, then carrying all the franked mail along for delivery. Wee stop at Mathers bar every trip, we used to fight to do it.

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[overdrive]

Rats turning on one another - Para 3 is dripping :devil:

I almost spat my coffee out when I read para 3.

[grunt]

Meanwhile, a very few Tory MPs are starting to post that they will not be following the 3 line whip and will not vote in favour of fracking tonight. It seems there is more drama to be played out today ...

[hibsbollah]

[emoji23]
Part of my training when I started work, then carrying all the franked mail along for delivery. Wee stop at Mathers bar every trip, we used to fight to do it.

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That reliable, soothing, repetitive noise #wistfulsigh

[Stairway 2 7]

Dominic Cummings poisoning the well once more:

Why would she take the derry for it if they all do it, gave a good parting shot mind you

[Bostonhibby]

That reliable, soothing, repetitive noise #wistfulsighOpening the bloody stuff when it arrived every morning was another story entirely. No pub stops involved.

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[greenlex]

Strong and stable shambles.

[Bostonhibby]

Strong and stable shambles.Got Shambles Done

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[Stairway 2 7]

Weird hill to die on for the tories making this a 3 line whip. Almost everyone thinks no fracking will actually get approved anywhere

CSkidmoreUK
As the former Energy Minister who signed Net Zero into law, for the sake of our environment and climate, I cannot personally vote tonight to support fracking and undermine the pledges I made at the 2019 General Election.

I am prepared to face the consequences of my decision

[Stairway 2 7]

@Olliecole
ANOTHER. Tory MP Tracey Crouch also prepared to lose the whip tonight over fracking. The government have made tonight a confidence vote

💥 NUMBER 3: Angela Richardson - who’s already called for Truss to go - now prepared to lose the whip over tonight’s vote

[GlesgaeHibby]

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1582762437954375680?t=Xmh_SBbvQRJna451EQr-Cw&s=19

[Stairway 2 7]

Steven Swinford
@Steven_Swinford
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4m
Suella Braverman was sacked because WMS she shared was deemed highly sensitive - it related to relaxing immigration rules & had significant implications for OBR

No 10 only learned of it after she cc’d wrong person onto email in which she shared it

[grunt]

No 10 only learned of it after she cc’d wrong person onto email in which she shared it
:greengrin

[Kato]

I used to like our old franking machine when i helped out in the mailroom. Second job after school. Happy times.I've posted a correction.

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[ronaldo7]

4 chancellors and 3 home secretaries since 2020. That's some going, and still some think this is strong and stable.

[Mon Dieu4]

I used to like our old franking machine when i helped out in the mailroom. Second job after school. Happy times.

Happiest I've ever been at work was as an 18 year old using the franking machine, it's been downhill ever since

[Jack]

Why is if still 'normal' to use private (Gmail possibly the worst security @ffs) email addresses for official documents (any security marking)?

It should be illegal with jail time!

[Hibrandenburg]

Steven Swinford
@Steven_Swinford
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4m
Suella Braverman was sacked because WMS she shared was deemed highly sensitive - it related to relaxing immigration rules & had significant implications for OBR

No 10 only learned of it after she cc’d wrong person onto email in which she shared it

She was working her ticket. She's done this deliberately to get off a sinking ship whilst trying to look unrodentlike.

[Kato]

Why is if still 'normal' to use private (Gmail possibly the worst security @ffs) email addresses for official documents (any security marking)?

It should be illegal with jail time!Lock her up!
Lock her up!
Lock her up!

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[Bostonhibby]

She was working her ticket. She's done this deliberately to get off a sinking ship whilst trying to look unrodentlike.She's failed spectacularly on the unrodentlike front.

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[CropleyWasGod]

What time is the vote tonight? And can it be viewed live?

Have to schedule my evening.....

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1582381613505478661?s=46&t=gO5KAW0XN9rSsLW8GVDOKQ

Less popular than Prince Andrew. A known sex trafficker.


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[wookie70]

What time is the vote tonight? And can it be viewed live?

Have to schedule my evening.....

They appear to be debating it now. Only a handful there though. Found this and appears to be 7pm vote. https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/fracking-vote-today-time-when-watch-debate-live-no-confidence-1920313

[hibsbollah]

I've posted a correction.

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Boooooooo

[Bostonhibby]

BooooooooFranking not Fracking.

Get it on the side of a bus Liz, we need more franking.



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[hibsbollah]

Franking not Fracking.

Get it on the side of a bus Liz, we need more franking.



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Truss to bring back microfiche, says source.

[Bostonhibby]

Truss to bring back microfiche, says source.Small fish are as important to the post brexit UK economy as Cheese and the Chinese pork markets, Liz is bouncing back.

She is heading out with a very small fishing rod to make a start. Maybe gazza will show up with a few cans and some sandwiches.

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[wookie70]

They don't know what they are doing. The minister defending the fracking change, never seen him before, has given a few different answers to whether this is essentially a no-confidence vote. What a total shambles.

[GlesgaeHibby]

No longer a confidence vote, as govt about to lose. Another u turn.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Chief Whip has now resigned.

[Glory Lurker]

This all has to stop.

[WhileTheChief..]

More of a shambles than Boris's last couple of days.

She has to step down within the week. This can't be allowed to continue.

[wookie70]

What an utter farce. A delay in the no lobby. Just make them press a button and vote so it is immediately recorded and counted. It's the 21st century ffs

[wookie70]

Chief whip resigned seemingly. The no's had it so presumably Labour lost. Judging by the faces of teh Tories they never had a clue what they were voting for and went for their usual self preservation preference. Seemingly pressure being put on MPs to vote No up to including manhandling

[Northernhibee]

This has to come to an end soon. It has to.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Chris Bryant claiming Tories got involved in dragging MPs into no lobby. Said JRM and Therese Coffey were involved.

[Bostonhibby]

Chris Bryant claiming Tories got involved in dragging MPs into no lobby. Said JRM and Therese Coffey were involved.Some tag team. Smug doing chinese burns and big Theresa threatening to burn them with her cigar?

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[Kato]

This lot will be toast soon. I'm hoping the straw that breaks the camels back is a full scale swedge between Tory backbenchers and the cabinet with Rees-Mogg taking a really dull yin, maybe a broken nose or some teeth knocked out.

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[Paul1642]

Government is in by far the most Chaos I have ever seen. Every time it looks like it’s time for a new prime minister it gets worse. We would have been better off with Theresa May FFS and failing that having kept Boris.

If only the stupid Tory members would have done what any normal portion of the population would have done and but Rishi Subak in place until the next GE.

GE badly needed right now but not going to happen because the Tory’s know they would be wiped out on an undecided level. How could have predicted that two years ago.

[Northernhibee]

What an utter ****ing shambles.

So angry.

[Smartie]

Just catching up on the last few pages.

Some times we’re living through.

Am I the only one that hears franking machine and mail and thinks of Quadrophenia/ Phil Daniels, the sample of which appears in Flowered Up’s Weekender?

Adds a different slant to some of these resignations anyway.

[Hibrandenburg]

The British Banana Republic. What a ****show.

[Kato]

Just catching up on the last few pages.

Some times we’re living through.

Am I the only one that hears franking machine and mail and thinks of Quadrophenia/ Phil Daniels, the sample of which appears in Flowered Up’s Weekender?

Adds a different slant to some of these resignations anyway.I think about Quadrophenia every day. "The Dirty Jobs", is half sleeping next to a fracking/franking machine dirty?

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[GlesgaeHibby]

Plenty Tories abstaining, including Liz Truss. Rumours she fired the chief whip in the division lobby. This is utterly mental.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Detestable human beings
Detestable politicians


the Detestables


pleasant seeing fascist cruella braverman gone

[Kato]

The British Banana Republic. What a ****show.Stems from voting for and voting in the Brexit mob. They only had one area of expertise, gaslighting. When it comes to the day to day of running a country shouting about lefties, remoaners and brown people doesn't cut it.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Plenty Tories abstaining, including Liz Truss. Rumours she fired the chief whip in the division lobby. This is utterly mental.



Bullying folk to vote for fracking


fracking bully