Tories are still lying *******s

[Stairway 2 7]

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
Guardian


One Tory MP describes Truss' appearance at the 1922 committee as "funereal." Another, asked if she had done more to reassure colleagues, replies "absolutely not

Rob Halfon told Truss she had “trashed the last 10 years” of work to establish the party as looking after the interests of working people from apprenticeships to levelling up. He said now focus was on tax cuts for rich and bankers bonuses

Have always erred on the sceptical side of whether MPs really would replace Truss but the atmosphere seems to have considerably worsened tonight

[Stairway 2 7]

Impressive implosion

@Peston
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A member of Truss's own cabinet tells me Truss's and Kwarteng's governance is so dire that some Tory MPs would vote against her in a confidence vote, preferring even a general election that cost them their seats to the current economic chaos

[Jack]

Sorry for upsetting you.

All I was implying is that the union is saying they need help with the cost of living and I googled the average salary.

Wish I could struggle to live off the wage they earn.

If you take on a job that's worth a certain salary then I think its reasonable as years pass by the buying power of that salary stays at least relatively close.

It doesn't matter if you're earning £20k or £30k. If inflation is running at 10% a 5% rise isn't going to maintain what your employer thought you were worth last year.

[wookie70]

Sorry for upsetting you.

All I was implying is that the union is saying they need help with the cost of living and I googled the average salary.

Wish I could struggle to live off the wage they earn.

Not sure you understand what a cost of living pay award is. If you don't get a cost of living award you will be worse off this year, no different to any worker. Your mortgage or rent and other outgoing are based on your wage and if that falls you will really start to feel the pinch.

The RMT are actually asking for a real term pay cut as their claim is less than current CPI. CPI is a crock of the brown stuff anyway and normal salaried workers face far greater inflation than the normal reported figure of 10-12% as essential purchases such as fuel are rising at a far higher rate and make up teh bulk of their outgoings.

Incidentally £33K pretty close to an average wage in the UK so we aren't talking about workers who are earning a fortune here.

No idea of your circumstances but I would advice you join and get active in a Union and try to fight for fair pay for your efforts. Fait pay for me is enough to live an independent life including renting/buying a suitable property, enough money to feed and cloth yourself and travel to work and some left over to enjoy your weekends and save for retirement etc. The problem in the UK is that unions and workers have been demonised by successive Tory Governments and their media chums and it has become so bad that workers are now comfortable attacking each other rather than joining together so we are all treated fairly.

[Mr Grieves]

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105?s=19

Truss: Your majesty, lovely to see you again.
Charles: Back again, dear oh dear, anyway.

:faf:

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105?s=19

Truss: Your majesty, lovely to see you again.
Charles: Back again, dear oh dear, anyway.

:faf:Charlie: Very nice to meet you, and what do you do?

Truss: Haven't you heard about my cap on fuel charges?

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[Hibbyradge]

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105?s=19

Truss: Your majesty, lovely to see you again.
Charles: Back again, dear oh dear, anyway.

:faf:

That's amazing!

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105?s=19

Truss: Your majesty, lovely to see you again.
Charles: Back again, dear oh dear, anyway.

:faf:

😆 the way he sucks air in disappointedly before saying dear oh dear. She's a complete joke

[Stairway 2 7]

Bad times when dodgy money right wing sunak looks like a much more moderate choice

BREAKING; Tory MPs plot to replace Liz Truss with Rishi Sunak or Penny Mordaunt: Senior Tory says MPs are organising against the prime minister after just a month VIA
@Independent

[Kato]

Bad times when dodgy money right wing sunak looks like a much more moderate choice

BREAKING; Tory MPs plot to replace Liz Truss with Rishi Sunak or Penny Mordaunt: Senior Tory says MPs are organising against the prime minister after just a month VIA
@Independent

Seems democratic.

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[Hibbyradge]

Seems democratic.

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It possibly more democratic than a PM with an agenda for the UK which is completely at odds with their own Party's election manifesto, being put in place by 170k Tory party members.

[Bostonhibby]

It possibly more democratic than a PM with an agenda for the UK which is completely at odds with their own Party's election manifesto, being put in place by 170k Tory party members.They should probably just let their donors only select the next leader, they are the ones with most influence and who continue to benefit greatly from the regime.

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[Kato]

It possibly more democratic than a PM with an agenda for the UK which is completely at odds with their own Party's election manifesto, being put in place by 170k Tory party members.Not as democratic as General Election though.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Half of prime ministers become prime minister not by the way of general election? Gordon brown ect. The bigger disgrace is she has been able to deviate so far from the mandate that one the general election. She should put it the public is she wants to take her own course

[Hibbyradge]

Not as democratic as General Election though.

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Indeed.

[IWasThere2016]

Independence is long overdue..

[Since90+2]

Bad times when dodgy money right wing sunak looks like a much more moderate choice

BREAKING; Tory MPs plot to replace Liz Truss with Rishi Sunak or Penny Mordaunt: Senior Tory says MPs are organising against the prime minister after just a month VIA
@Independent

An absolute laughing stock of the world. Doesn't matter what the Tories do now, I'm pretty certain they will get a tanking at the next GE.

[Stairway 2 7]

Beat sunak and one of her main points was cutting corporation tax, now looks like she won't

kitty_donaldson
Bloomberg

NEW: Officials in Downing Street are working on a U-turn on Liz Truss's tax plans, but no decisions will be made before Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng gets back from the IMF in Washington

MrHarryCole
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🚨 LIZ Truss is considering raising Corporation Tax next year in spectacular mini-Budget u-turn

Her vow to cancel Rishi Sunak's hike from 19 to 25 per cent tax next April was the centrepiece of her campaign to be PM - but that promise could now be junked

[Jack]

Independence is long overdue..

I think most assume that when we get independence the system of government will be very similar to what we have now.

Unless that was to change there would be nothing to stop similar happening in an independent Scotland.

That being said we can learn from others mistakes and Westminster has certainly provided a rich source of learning material over the last few years.

[McSwanky]

I think most assume that when we get independence the system of government will be very similar to what we have now.

Unless that was to change there would be nothing to stop similar happening in an independent Scotland.

That being said we can learn from others mistakes and Westminster has certainly provided a rich source of learning material over the last few years.

I would hope that the Scottish people wouldn't stand for the same sort of nonsense that has been going on with the Tories for years now in the UK as a whole. I'd like to think the majority would see right through the bluster of a Boris Johnson.

That said, over a quarter of Scots still voted for the Tories in 2019, so that remains to be seen.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Call an immediate general election to end the chaos of the current government - Petitions (parliament.uk) (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/619781)


not too short of 600k so far

[wookie70]

I think most assume that when we get independence the system of government will be very similar to what we have now.

Unless that was to change there would be nothing to stop similar happening in an independent Scotland.

That being said we can learn from others mistakes and Westminster has certainly provided a rich source of learning material over the last few years.

What we have now in terms of the SG or Westminster. I'd be amazed if we don't have some sort of PR when we get Independence and that means the extremes would be side-lined and policy would be based around the average view, which in Scotland is progressive and to the left of centre. I'd argue that view isn't as strong in England but is probably still the majority but in most elections FPTP means the majority of citizens do not get their thoughts expressed in Government

[CropleyWasGod]

This is bizarre.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/13/home-office-reclassifies-modern-slavery-as-immigration-issue?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1665651388

[Hibrandenburg]

This is bizarre.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/13/home-office-reclassifies-modern-slavery-as-immigration-issue?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1665651388

Absolutely perverse, this will pretty much put a stop to victims coming forward, she is doing the traffickers work for them.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/shalchi_a/status/1580557547983220736?s=46&t=4nbVyf-a3r9vcz_NEwwKeA


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[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/13/home-office-eritrean-woman-pregnant-rape-survivor-rwanda

No words really. I suppose she’d be a ‘drain on the nhs’… eh Suella

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/13/home-office-eritrean-woman-pregnant-rape-survivor-rwanda

No words really. I suppose she’d be a ‘drain on the nhs’… eh Suella

It's truly inhumane.

[Ozyhibby]

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Why the Tories always win.[emoji23]


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[Callum_62]

Kwarteng flying home a day early from imf....

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[neil7908]

An absolute laughing stock of the world. Doesn't matter what the Tories do now, I'm pretty certain they will get a tanking at the next GE.

Its very hard to see how the Tories will recover from this point but this country has kept voting them in now time after time so I honestly don't feel a Labour victory is assured.

The press will forget all of this when the election is upon us and we might just be edging towards a better position economically by that point.

If I had to bet now I'd say Labour to win but I think it'll be much closer than it should, with a fairly small majority making it hard for Starmer to govern and the Tories back in again next time around. Repeat ad nauseum.

[grunt]

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Why the Tories always win.[emoji23]

"Votes cast 1440". I've seen bigger raffles.

[grunt]

Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng to announce mini-budget u-turn *today*

They are meeting shortly after chancellor flies back from Washington

Plans to freeze corporation tax will be reversed - it will rise next year

PM statement expected later

[SHODAN]

We need a constitutional amendment so that if the leader of the governing party/largest coalition party changes it automatically triggers a general election (and likewise for if an elected MP switches party). This is ****ing ridiculous.

[JeMeSouviens]

Pol Ed of the Times reporting Kwarteng about to get his jotters.

[BroxburnHibee]

Pol Ed of the Times reporting Kwarteng about to get his jotters.

Can this farce get any more ridiculous?

[stu in nottingham]

Pol Ed of the Times reporting Kwarteng about to get his jotters.

Ideal solution for Dim Lizzy. She moves all the blame onto Kwarteng. A big boy did it and ran away.

[wookie70]

Chancellor sacked after 38 days. How did he survive that long even taking into account 11 days of mourning. Truss trying to save herself but politically it just makes her look even more stupid. Another chancellor who hasn't delivered a full budget

[grunt]

How. Can. She. Stay. In. Post?

[wookie70]

How. Can. She. Stay. In. Post? I think she thinks that she is doing a good job. Tim nice but dim in the female form. She will think that sacking someone will make her look strong and that he was at fault for all her ills.

[Andy Bee]

Interesting question just up on LBC.....If Liz Truss sacks Kamikwaze, the author of the "growth plan", is she now a member of her own mythical Anti Growth Commission?

[Stairway 2 7]

We need a constitutional amendment so that if the leader of the governing party/largest coalition party changes it automatically triggers a general election (and likewise for if an elected MP switches party). This is ****ing ridiculous.

This is hardly new. Most PMs don't come in after general election, same in Scotland we won't have an automatic Scottish election when the FM goes.

[Mr Grieves]

Ideal solution for Dim Lizzy. She moves all the blame onto Kwarteng. A big boy did it and ran away.

Amazing. Kwarteng sacked for enacting tax cuts that Liz Truss promised in her leadership campaign.

[grunt]

I think she thinks that she is doing a good job. Tim nice but dim in the female form. She will think that sacking someone will make her look strong and that he was at fault for all her ills.
I cannot bring myself to believe this.

[neil7908]

Amazing. Kwarteng sacked for enacting tax cuts that Liz Truss promised in her leadership campaign.

This. It would be funny if ordinary people weren't the ones paying for it.

[Stairway 2 7]

4 PM's in 6 years, 4 Chancellors in 3 months. What a joke

[wookie70]

I cannot bring myself to believe this.

Perhaps I should have described as She thinks she isn't at fault for the mini budget despite many of its failings being made in her bid for PM and being the main reasons she is actually in the job.

The one thing that amazes me is that despite how bizarre the last few years in Tory Britain has been absolutely everything has been entirely predictable as those leading us have enacted their attributes. Lying, cheating, corrupt, unconcerned with the woes of others, lacking any common sense or decency and cruel and uncaring to their core. It is hard to believe anyone could be a worse PM than Johnson but Truss is even worse and imo has less self awareness and thicker skin than the goon she replaced. For me the most worrying thing is that the leaders we have absolutely represent a very large chunk of the electorate.

[Andy Bee]

Politics Live now reporting it's official...he's sacked. Statement from PM......Wiznae me it wiz him so I sacked him, pork markets, cheese, war in Ukraine, cost of living crisis and energy price cap.

[BroxburnHibee]

She's toast

[Bostonhibby]

Maybe Dim Lizzie will think the only way to fight the anti Growth Alliance is to take back control of the whole economy herself, so we can finally sort out the cheese markets of the world?

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[James310]

I am being promoted, I am off to Number 11.

[wookie70]

Maybe Dim Lizzie will think the only way to fight the anti Growth Alliance is to take back control of the whole economy herself, so we can finally sort out the cheese markets of the world?

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Perhaps the press conference isn't about the chancellor being sacked but to announce that a block of cheddar has now been sold to Outer Mongolia and that is a sure sign of growth as UK dairy products have never been purchased there previously.

[Bostonhibby]

Perhaps the press conference isn't about the chancellor being sacked but to announce that a block of cheddar has now been sold to Outer Mongolia and that is a sure sign of growth as UK dairy products have never been purchased there previously.[emoji16] I'd want to check the outer Mongolia bit in the Ladybird Guide To Where Places Are for Geographicall Challenged Foreign Secretaries before I started claiming dominance over the cheese producing world

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[Scouse Hibee]

Chancellor sacked.

[hibsbollah]

Chancellor sacked.

It’s like losing Franck after 69 days :boo hoo:

[Callum_62]

Why was he sacked?

Surley the PM agreed with the mini budget and tax cuts in full

She said so herself

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[stokesmessiah]

Why was he sacked?

Surley the PM agreed with the mini budget and tax cuts in full

She said so herself

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It’s called “doing something big to distract people in a desperate attempt to save your own ass”

[marinello59]

Why was he sacked?

Surley the PM agreed with the mini budget and tax cuts in full

She said so herself

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It was him or her. And her position is still far from secure.

[hibsbollah]

Why was he sacked?

Surley the PM agreed with the mini budget and tax cuts in full

She said so herself

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If we believe that the democratic process thats unfolded in the last month is legitimate, we also have to believe that less than 1% of the UK population, Tory party members all, gave legitimacy to the Truss regime, and the Truss manifesto. If we're now expected to believe that this new direction for the UK, is now being abandoned, suddenly, with the Chancellor being sacked and the policy that the PM was completely supportive of, (its HER policy, remember), and we're going back to....what? What is the actual economic policy of this government?) the only logical conclusion is this shower are completely illegitimate and they can all be rightfully removed from power in an uprising and revolution. Its long overdue.

[hibsbollah]

The Times reporting Jeremy Hunt to be the new Chancellor. I always despised the man but in comparison to this bunch he's like an adult in a room of screaming toddlers.

[Just_Jimmy]

Hopefully she's away shortly and there's a GE lined up. They cannot bin her and avoid a GE and I don't see how they can avoid binning her.

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[grunt]

“So we are looking for anybody who held the post of Chancellor in the UK government in 2022”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfBy1IfXEAI8IQa?format=jpg&name=large

[Stairway 2 7]

Be banter if he came back and pushed for the cut, then got sacked

@JasonGroves1
·
Reminder: Jeremy Hunt's big pitch for the leadership this summer was to slash corporation tax to 15p

[gbhibby]

“So we are looking for anybody who held the post of Chancellor in the UK government in 2022”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfBy1IfXEAI8IQa?format=jpg&name=large
🤣

He has been thrown under the bus. Was he not just following her orders and implementing the policies she was elected as leader on by the party members. If the monkey goes the organ grinder should follow( please do not take this as being racist due to the Chancellor being black).

[Scorrie]

Jeremy Hunt new Chancellor. Totally opposite to Truss. She’s toast in my view. Days if not hours left

[grunt]

Jeremy Hunt new Chancellor. Totally opposite to Truss. She’s toast in my view. Days if not hours leftI wonder ...

During the Tory leadership contest Jeremy Hunt promised most aggressive tax cuts of all the candidates - he said that he would cut corporation tax from 19p to 15p on day one. Yet in one of his first acts as Chancellor he will have to raise corporation tax from 19p to 25p

Your friendly reminder that Jeremy Hunt did more than any person alive to privatise our NHS.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Why was he sacked?

Surley the PM agreed with the mini budget and tax cuts in full

She said so herself

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Politics. The disaster of the mini-budget means someone has to take the fall, so she has cut Kwarteng loose. Truss hopes this will save her own skin and that she will be able to talk about a fresh start, but that won't work. She is toast: the Tories might get rid of her before the election, but they are going to be wiped out regardless. Politics is a ruthless business.

[hibsbollah]

Jeremy Hunt new Chancellor. Exactly the same vested interests as Truss. She’s toast in my view. Days if not hours left

fixed that for you.

[Kato]

4 PM's in 6 years, 4 Chancellors in 3 months. What a jokeStrong and ehm, stable.

Too many niche ideologies not rooted in the real world, too many liars after getting away with the big lie that was brexit, too many noses in an ever shrinking trough, too many heists from the public purse and too many incompetents imagining that once they are in a job they can do what they like.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Are we allowed to call the Tories a bunch of Jeremy Hunts? :confused:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Are we allowed to call the Tories a bunch of Jeremy Hunts? :confused:

Oh yes, that will never change.

[Scorrie]

The letter from Truss accepting Kwasis resignation was signed by….Kwasi! Jeezo they can’t even get that right!

[Mon Dieu4]

Hunt has been announced, what could possibly go wrong, all those glowing recommendations from his time as health secretary

[marinello59]

Who is writing the script for this? It’s barely believable now. :greengrin

[weecounty hibby]

The Tories have had 4 PMs since 2016 with a fifth on the way if rumours are to be believed about Sunak. But aye, we can only have a referendum once every 30 years or so. Detestable indeed

[JeMeSouviens]

The letter from Truss accepting Kwasis resignation was signed by….Kwasi! Jeezo they can’t even get that right!

Kwarteng to Truss: “You have asked me to stand down as your chancellor. I have accepted”.

Truss to Kwarteng: “I deeply respect the decision you have taken today”

Malcolm Tucker will be going ape****. :greengrin

[weecounty hibby]

Hunt has been announced, what could possibly go wrong, all those glowing recommendations from his time as health secretary

Surely they are just pulling names out of a hat now. Hunt is a joke choice but then again who else is there?

[marinello59]

Kwarteng to Truss: “You have asked me to stand down as your chancellor. I have accepted”.

Truss to Kwarteng: “I deeply respect the decision you have taken today”

Malcolm Tucker will be going ape****. :greengrin

:greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

Hunt has been announced, what could possibly go wrong, all those glowing recommendations from his time as health secretary

Ask the junior doctors what they think about Hunt

[Mon Dieu4]

Just seen someone say Jeremy Hunt is the Steve Bruce of politics, absolutely useless but keeps getting jobs, if you didn't laugh you'd greet

[JeMeSouviens]

Trades Union Congress @The_TUC

Boss blaming you for their decision?

Join a union.

:faf:

[Stairway 2 7]

Surely a bit mad from Hunt. He's always wanted a top gig, but would you take this one. F being tied to truss

[Hibernia&Alba]

Surely a bit mad from Hunt. He's always wanted a top gig, but would you take this one. F being tied to truss

It must also mean a change of direction in economic policy. Hunt isn't from the ERG/IEA wing of the party, to whom the mini budget was aimed. It seems totally uncoordinated; however, it's been forced upon Truss by her backbenchers, who knew wipe-out awaited them, if Truss pressed ahead with her plans. Rumours the proposed cut to corporation tax will also be scrapped today. It seems Truss will shift more to the centre, in order to keep her job, but it's a massive U-Turn on her original plans.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Here's Dim Lizzy the noo.

Corporation tax cut reversed, as expected.

[hibsbollah]

It must also mean a change of direction in economic policy. Hunt isn't from the ERG/IEA wing of the party, to whom the mini budget was aimed. It seems totally uncoordinated; however, it's been forced upon Truss by her backbenchers, who knew wipe-out awaited them, if Truss pressed ahead with her plans. Rumours the proposed cut to corporation tax will also be scrapped today. It seems Truss will shift more to the centre, in order to keep her job, but it's a massive U-Turn on her original plans.

We know nothing at this point. Is it a coordinated plan? Is there a plan? Is Hunt in any sense a ‘conservative influence’? Just keep your eyes on what actual policies make their way into the commons for rubber stamping from the assorted red wall loons, and not what the individual says or who he/she is. It’s all distraction and what’s for sure is it’s all about emptying the country’s coffers while they can.

[Stairway 2 7]

It must also mean a change of direction in economic policy. Hunt isn't from the ERG/IEA wing of the party, to whom the mini budget was aimed. It seems totally uncoordinated; however, it's been forced upon Truss by her backbenchers, who knew wipe-out awaited them, if Truss pressed ahead with her plans. Rumours the proposed cut to corporation tax will also be scrapped today. It seems Truss will shift more to the centre, in order to keep her job, but it's a massive U-Turn on her original plans.

Hunt is very much tax cut though. This was him in July. I think they are just throwing names at the wall now.

@Jeremy_Hunt
·
Jul 10
'Corporation tax cut not sexy, but necessary' says Jeremy Hunt as he discusses Conservative leadership bid | Politics News | Sky News https://news.sky.com/video/corporation-tax-cut-not-sexy-but-necessary-says-jeremy-hunt-as-he-discusses-conservative-leadership-bid-12649235

[Hibernia&Alba]

Hunt is very much tax cut though. This was him in July. I think they are just throwing names at the wall now.

@Jeremy_Hunt
·
Jul 10
'Corporation tax cut not sexy, but necessary' says Jeremy Hunt as he discusses Conservative leadership bid | Politics News | Sky News https://news.sky.com/video/corporation-tax-cut-not-sexy-but-necessary-says-jeremy-hunt-as-he-discusses-conservative-leadership-bid-12649235

But the first thing he does is reverse the proposed corporation tax cut. They are flailing around, aware how unpopular the mini budget was.

[Stairway 2 7]

But the first thing he does is reverse the proposed corporation tax cut. They are flailing around, aware how unpopular the mini budget was.

If it was a dog you would put it down, shambles. Bit unfair on dogs that actually

[JeMeSouviens]

Nicola Sturgeon @NicolaSturgeon

Is it really only 3 weeks since demands were being made of @scotgov to copy the policies in the ‘mini-budget’?
.

[Mon Dieu4]

Feel much more reassured now Liz has spoken

[SteveHFC]

Liz Truss 😂

[Moulin Yarns]

The press are asking good questions, pity they only get the same answer to each one

"Economic Stability"

[marinello59]

The press are asking good questions, pity they only get the same answer to each one

"Economic Stability"

She has no answers. She looks broken. A new chip needed.

[wookie70]

I think someone stepped in to reboot her there. Her message is we have done nothing wrong and we have the right ideas. What a moron and who would have thought my regard for Hunt could go lower

[Moulin Yarns]

The Thick of It is trending on twitter 😂

[Hibernia&Alba]

She took four questions, gave the same answer to each and then buggered off. She wasn't even there five minutes.

[GlesgaeHibby]

She took four questions, gave the same answer to each and then buggered off. She wasn't even there five minutes.


She was desperately looking round the room for friendly faces, and even the Sun and Telegraph ripped into her. Ran away after Peston's question.

[Stairway 2 7]

.

The daily mail said at last a true tory budget on its front page the day after too

[Hibernia&Alba]

She was desperately looking round the room for friendly faces, and even the Sun and Telegraph ripped into her. Ran away after Peston's question.

Never seen anything like it.

[James310]

I will be surprised if she is PM this time next week. Time for a GE and we can run the de facto referendum at the same time. I see lots of Labour MPs calling for a GE, wonder why no SNP politicians are.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Never seen anything like it.

She had to come out fighting to try and save her skin. There was no fight, utterly humiliated. She'll be gone in days.

[marinello59]

She had to come out fighting to try and save her skin. There was no fight, utterly humiliated. She'll be gone in days.

She has no fight. Totally out of her depth. She will be gone by Xmas.

[Stairway 2 7]

Bbc political editor says they will be going for her next week


Nicholas Watt
@nicholaswatt
A group of senior Tories have been holding discussions + have decided the following: the sacking of
@KwasiKwarteng
will prompt them to come out publicly next week + call on
@trussliz
to resign. My source: “These are serious people. The PM will find it difficult to survive

My source tells me Liz Truss has made a mistake if she thinks her (outgoing) friend
@KwasiKwarteng
has no base in the parliamentary party. “People like Kwasi. He is friendly. He’s honest. Maybe a bit too honest. Maybe that’s his problem

[GlesgaeHibby]

She has no fight. Totally out of her depth. She will be gone by Xmas.

Managed to get a bet on her being gone by end of year a couple of weeks back at 33/1 :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

Interesting in his leadership campaign Hunt wanted a bigger tax cuts package than Truss

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmulheirn/status/1580900595988590592

[Stairway 2 7]

Managed to get a bet on her being gone by end of year a couple of weeks back at 33/1 :greengrin

That's class. I got what I thought was free money when near his end I got boris to go in 2022 at 11/8

[JeMeSouviens]

Interesting in his leadership campaign Hunt wanted a bigger tax cuts package than Truss

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmulheirn/status/1580900595988590592

To be fair, they were all saying ridiculous things to appeal to the rabid fringes of society that is the Tory membership. It's just that in Truss' case they turned out to be what she actually wanted to do herself.

[Mantis Toboggan]

I will be surprised if she is PM this time next week. Time for a GE and we can run the de facto referendum at the same time. I see lots of Labour MPs calling for a GE, wonder why no SNP politicians are.

I would imagine Labour politicians are calling for a GE because if it was held right now, they would form the next government

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1580893379810193408


Sebastian Payne
@SebastianEPayne
In just another day for a completely normal country, the Daily Star has riffed off
@TheEconomist
and has started a live stream to see whether Liz Truss can outlast a piece of lettuce over ten days

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-RE95lKJ0

[Hibernia&Alba]

Interesting in his leadership campaign Hunt wanted a bigger tax cuts package than Truss

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmulheirn/status/1580900595988590592

And now Truss and Hunt are reversing those pledges. I can't see how she survives; Tory backbenchers are ruthless when votes are at stake. They are all over the place.

[Stairway 2 7]

I would imagine Labour politicians are calling for a GE because if it was held right now, they would form the next government

If it was right now then snp would be pushing for main opposition party

[BroxburnHibee]

You have to remember the MP's didn't want her they wanted Sunak. Now she's cost most of them their jobs come the next GE.

As I said earlier she's toast!

[Hibernia&Alba]

Latest polling - Truss approval rating as PM: 9%. NINE per cent! :lolrangers: :bye::bye:

[hibsbollah]

BBC news rolling news coverage of this is actually really good. Conveying a sense of real historical levels of buffoonery, even for the UK. It’s like the fag end of the Roman Empire when the goths were at the gates. Or Portugal.

[CapitalGreen]

I will be surprised if she is PM this time next week. Time for a GE and we can run the de facto referendum at the same time. I see lots of Labour MPs calling for a GE, wonder why no SNP politicians are.

There you go JC.

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[wookie70]

Massive public Spending cuts incoming if you ask me. It is all they have left and Public Services won't survive these cuts

[Hibernia&Alba]

You have to remember the MP's didn't want her they wanted Sunak. Now she's cost most of them their jobs come the next GE.

As I said earlier she's toast!

Yes, they know the game is up for many of them, with only the safest of Tory seats certain to stay with them. Many backbenchers now have nothing to lose and might as well take the nuclear option. Anything could happen next.

[Kato]

BBC news rolling news coverage of this is actually really good. Conveying a sense of real historical levels of buffoonery, even for the UK. It’s like the fag end of the Roman Empire when the goths were at the gates. Or Portugal.They mentioned "Trussonomics" a little bit back. As though that is a thing.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Massive public Spending cuts incoming if you ask me. It is all they have left and Public Services won't survive these cuts

Which would be a suicidal move for an already deeply unpopular government. Truss has pledged spending cuts won't happen, though her word means nothing. They have run out of options.

[Willis1875]

There you go JC.

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Blackford called for one aswell

[Kato]

I will be surprised if she is PM this time next week. Time for a GE and we can run the de facto referendum at the same time. I see lots of Labour MPs calling for a GE, wonder why no SNP politicians are.They are but you want to not hear them.

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[hibsbollah]

Massive public Spending cuts incoming if you ask me. It is all they have left and Public Services won't survive these cuts

I think so too. But the problem is, the things they want to do with Brexit and Immigration require MORE public servants to smooth through the changes, not less. And so much state provision is on its erchie anyway. The public sector is on its knees.

[wookie70]

Which would be a suicidal move for an already deeply unpopular government. Truss has pledged spending cuts won't happen, though her word means nothing. They have run out of options. She said the opposite if I heard her right half an hour ago. Saying that she maybe forgot what she was told to say as there is no danger she has control of her own strings

[hibsbollah]

They mentioned "Trussonomics" a little bit back. As though that is a thing.

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Well you need to call it something. I have no problem with that. It’s not Steven Craigen or Rob Maclean levels of economic analysis but it’s a start from the BBC…

[Hibernia&Alba]

She said the opposite if I heard her right half an hour ago. Saying that she maybe forgot what she was told to say as there is no danger she has control of her own strings

Aye, it was a couple of days ago in the Commons she pledged no spending cuts, so it might have changed since then.

[nonshinyfinish]

Latest polling - Truss approval rating as PM: 9%. NINE per cent! :lolrangers: :bye::bye:

Jesus, it's basically just friends and family at this point.

[Bostonhibby]

Jesus, it's basically just friends and family at this point.Yep, even the big fat No.10 cat that eventually outsmarted Bozo has gone feral until Dizzy moves out.

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[James310]

They are but you want to not hear them.

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I see them now, they were tweeted after my post to be fair. Looks like everyone agrees, time for the GE.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Yep, even the big fat No.10 cat that eventually outsmarted Bozo has gone feral until Dizzy moves out.

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Larry shat on the carpet at Number 10 and walked out. He's done.

[Bostonhibby]

Larry shat on the carpet at Number 10 and walked out. He's done.Serious candidate for next foreign secretary in my opinion. If you put ink on his paws and asked him to step on what he thought was and wasn't Russia I reckon he'd show as much subject knowledge as Truss demonstrated when she met Lavrov.

Larry for PM.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Oh for **** sake. It's like watching a melon bounce down a flight of steps. Hits keep coming ha

@BethRigby

MPs saying they think press conference made things worse. A senior former minister: “she has to go”

[hibsbollah]

Dom Cummings shat on the carpet at Number 10 and walked out. He's done.

Fixed that for you. Was just thinking about his forgotten role in all this mayhem.

[Hibbyradge]

I think so too. But the problem is, the things they want to do with Brexit and Immigration require MORE public servants to smooth through the changes, not less. And so much state provision is on its erchie anyway. The public sector is on its knees.

It's worse than that.

It's now aspiring to be on its knees.

[grunt]

Joke making rounds: “Apparently @KwasiKwarteng (https://twitter.com/KwasiKwarteng) had trouble getting a seat on the plane because no one wanted him near business OR economy.”

[Hibernia&Alba]

Fixed that for you. Was just thinking about his forgotten role in all this mayhem.

Aye, it could have been Mad Dom :greengrin

[grunt]

Misspoke?

https://twitter.com/JaneFallon/status/1580938425959854081?s=20&t=7dBQNZ38g3dxto5_tBq-3Q (https://twitter.com/JaneFallon/status/1580938425959854081?s=20&t=7dBQNZ38g3dxto5_tBq-3Q)

[Hibernia&Alba]

Marr: Truss won't last two weeks.


https://youtu.be/GChuKqgvJ5E

[neil7908]

Marr: Truss won't last two weeks.


https://youtu.be/GChuKqgvJ5E

Will they really get rid of her though? That would be an incredible decision. Don't get me wrong, I want her out but surely the next one will need to be voted in by the Tory party loons and who do they think will win? Sunak?

It will be PM Braverman. Seriously.

[JeMeSouviens]

Will they really get rid of her though? That would be an incredible decision. Don't get me wrong, I want her out but surely the next one will need to be voted in by the Tory party loons and who do they think will win? Sunak?

It will be PM Braverman. Seriously.

If the MPs can agree on one candidate they don't need the membership - pretty sure that's what happened with Theresa May.

[Stairway 2 7]

Anti growth

PJTheEconomist
·
1h
On reversal of corporation tax cut:

1) unlikely to be enough by itself to plug fiscal gap. More than £20bn of tax cuts still in place;

2) probably least growth friendly option. If growth were only consideration income tax and/or NI would be going back up instead

[Stairway 2 7]

Well played Ed Miliband, been waiting a long time for that

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/1580931307185401856

[ElginHibbie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfCUrsrWIAAs5fc?format=jpg&name=large

Tories having a good time

[Kato]

Well you need to call it something. I have no problem with that. It’s not Steven Craigen or Rob Maclean levels of economic analysis but it’s a start from the BBC…It's Thatcherism, but without

...the relatively new, and large, income from North Sea Oil,

...the income from the folly of selling the countrys' infrastructure to any old hoo with cash.

...the opening up of markets within the EU, the door of which we recently slammed on ourselves.

Cosplaying Thatcher is OK on Instagram ( if that's yer bag). But copying it for the sake of it or copying knowing it will reap havoc is just plain bonkers, either way.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

If the MPs can agree on one candidate they don't need the membership - pretty sure that's what happened with Theresa May.

Correct, a unity candidate to get them through to an election, in the hope damage can be minimised. If they go to the membership, who Marr politely describes as, "perhaps not the most sophisticated electorate in the world", they will choose another crackpot.

[Kato]

I think so too. But the problem is, the things they want to do with Brexit and Immigration require MORE public servants to smooth through the changes, not less. And so much state provision is on its erchie anyway. The public sector is on its knees.That is part of the ERG/IEA remit, if they are indeed following W Rees-Moggs book. Scupper and confuse the Nation state so badly, those who can afford to will just be able to get on with their own seperate economy.

Any chaos is fine by them, doesn't have to be aimed or exact. Nibble, nibble, nibble.

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[Kato]

Jesus, it's basically just friends and family at this point.Two people pushed the wrong button as well.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

That is part of the ERG/IEA remit, if they are indeed following W Rees-Moggs book. Scupper and confuse the Nation state so badly, those who can afford to will just be able to get on with their own seperate economy.

Any chaos is fine by them, doesn't have to be aimed or exact. Nibble, nibble, nibble.

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Correct. Gaslight, get people to vote against their own best interests yet again, destroy public services and workers/human rights, walk away with the bounty.

[Kato]

Correct. Gaslight, get people to vote against their own best interests yet again, destroy public services and workers/human rights, walk away with the bounty....and another aspect of it is putting a total and abjectly thick, empty headed, malleable, clowncarcrash person to lead the country. Its actually the only reason I can think of as to why she is in that office. They want as much harm done as possible.

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[Bostonhibby]

Correct. Gaslight, get people to vote against their own best interests yet again, destroy public services and workers/human rights, walk away with the bounty.Highly likely but unless the amass even more debt to pillage the bounty's probably already been thieved. Probably time for them to hand over the mess to labour for a few years then get their media moguls and other vested interests to blame the whole thing on labour/foreigners. Rinse and repeat.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

How much longer do we think she will last?

[Bostonhibby]

How much longer do we think she will last?A fortnight if she can stay cock up / U turn free?
Probably needs an extended visit to the fridge Bozo hid in?

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[Hibernia&Alba]

...and another aspect of it is putting a total and abjectly thick, empty headed, malleable, clowncarcrash person to lead the country. Its actually the only reason I can think of as to why she is in that office. They want as much harm done as possible.

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A useful idiot the hard right can use to push their disaster capitalism and post-Brexit dystopia.

[Hibernia&Alba]

How much longer do we think she will last?

Days to weeks most likely. She needs a miracle to see new year.

[Kato]

Highly likely but unless the amass even more debt to pillage the bounty's probably already been thieved. Probably time for them to hand over the mess to labour for a few years then get their media moguls and other vested interests to blame the whole thing on labour/foreigners. Rinse and repeat.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkIt's not bounty they are after. It's the creation of a situation where the never have to pay tax ever again and the plebs are all in the hands of the corporations. The short term boom/bust stuff only has a few plays left as actually needs a boom, and there are no booms on the horizon.

A Labour Govt won't be much of barrier to them. They will resort to 60s/70s tactics of fomenting industrial strife, maybe kick things off in NI again. Drip feed dissent against perfectly examinable policies. Anything to undermine the state while the manoeuvre to stamp on the pieces and rebuild things the way they want.

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[degenerated]

Well you need to call it something. I have no problem with that. It’s not Steven Craigen or Rob Maclean levels of economic analysis but it’s a start from the BBC…A Trussterfeck has a better ring to it :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

A Trussterfeck has a better ring to it :greengrin

:top marks

[Bostonhibby]

It's not bounty they are after. It's the creation of a situation where the never have to pay tax ever again and the plebs are all in the hands of the corporations. The short term boom/bust stuff only has a few plays left as actually needs a boom, and there are no booms on the horizon.

A Labour Govt won't be much of barrier to them. They will resort to 60s/70s tactics of fomenting industrial strife, maybe kick things off in NI again. Drip feed dissent against perfectly examinable policies. Anything to undermine the state while the manoeuvre to stamp on the pieces and rebuild things the way they want.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkNot much to disagree with there.

The dubious awarding of PPE contracts, knighthoods and the tidal wave of Russian money were probably just an effect rather than a cause and ultimate aim, snouting at the trough along the way just because they could.

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[Since90+2]

That is part of the ERG/IEA remit, if they are indeed following W Rees-Moggs book. Scupper and confuse the Nation state so badly, those who can afford to will just be able to get on with their own seperate economy.

Any chaos is fine by them, doesn't have to be aimed or exact. Nibble, nibble, nibble.

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Nah, they are just incompetent useless ********s.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Nah, they are just incompetent useless ********s.

It's much more malevolent than being merely incompetent. The gallery Truss is playing to is filled with dangerous people: dark money, tax exiles, lunatic think tanks. Thanks God it's falling apart.

[weecounty hibby]

Nah, they are just incompetent useless ********s.

That would almost make it OK. They are far from incompetent and useless to their friends and donors who are making vast fortunes at this time

[Bostonhibby]

That would almost make it OK. They are far from incompetent and useless to their friends and donors who are making vast fortunes at this timehttps://www.opendemocracy.net/en/kwasi-kwarteng-crispin-odey-government-bonds-profit/

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[Paulie Walnuts]

How much longer do we think she will last?

[Bostonhibby]

How much longer do we think she will last?It's looking like she will still be there at least until I finish my tea tonight. About 15 minutes to go.

Could be her finest hour.

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[Kato]

Nah, they are just incompetent useless ********s.She is. Its naive to think the broad thrust of the way things are going aren't part of something bigger though, as it fits W Rees-Mogg's template exactly.

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[Jim44]

She’s just replaced Kwarteng by Jeremy Hunt, who voted against her in the PM election. What a mess they are in, and by definition, we are in. General election looming?

[Callum_62]

She’s just replaced Kwarteng by Jeremy Hunt, who voted against her in the PM election. What a mess they are in, and by definition, we are in. General election looming?It shouod absolutely be a GE ASAP

That would basically wipe the tories out so I can see them hanging on in the hope things improve

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[Kato]

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/kwasi-kwarteng-crispin-odey-government-bonds-profit/

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkThis is from before the "fiscal event."

Private Eye can be wrong but they are also pretty stringent before printing something so accusatory.

https://twitter.com/SueSuezep/status/1574712512414629888?t=pXNiCRAF-UPfbRVw9y7PCw&s=19

If its true its one of the biggest thefts in UK history. The idea that these people shouldn't be arrested is just weird. A heist in front of everyone's eyes and it's our money.

They take oaths to their kings and queens and people think they are in earnest. They are actual traitors.

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[Glory Lurker]

4 PM's in 6 years, 4 Chancellors in 3 months. What a joke

Italy without the sunshine

[Kato]

She’s just replaced Kwarteng by Jeremy Hunt, who voted against her in the PM election. What a mess they are in, and by definition, we are in. General election looming?It's a new era. It would worth the lols if they made him PM.

https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1138058266251059200?t=0D44UYYFVOkhT7zKmYWiDw&s=19

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[Stairway 2 7]

Everything in the article is right wing pish but in the torygraph saying Labour should be given a shot now. A few tory mps saying the same off the record according to journalists. Absolute self destruction in the last few months

https://archive.ph/iKQb3

[Glory Lurker]

I will be surprised if she is PM this time next week. Time for a GE and we can run the de facto referendum at the same time. I see lots of Labour MPs calling for a GE, wonder why no SNP politicians are.

This aged well :-)

[Stairway 2 7]

Just mental

https://mobile.twitter.com/thehistoryguy/status/1580669653655117824


Dan Snow
@thehistoryguy
They watched this.

And then they gave her a nuclear arsenal

[Bostonhibby]

This is from before the "fiscal event."

Private Eye can be wrong but they are also pretty stringent before printing something so accusatory.

https://twitter.com/SueSuezep/status/1574712512414629888?t=pXNiCRAF-UPfbRVw9y7PCw&s=19

If its true its one of the biggest thefts in UK history. The idea that these people shouldn't be arrested is just weird. A heist in front of everyone's eyes and it's our money.

They take oaths to their kings and queens and people think they are in earnest. They are actual traitors.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkHaven't opened my copy yet, but if this isn't true presumably, as they have done before the Nasties will "take up the mighty sword of truth and justice" by suing them like Jonathan Aitken did?[emoji16]

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[Kato]

Haven't opened my copy yet, but if this isn't true presumably, as they have done before the Nasties will "take up the mighty sword of truth and justice" by suing them like Jonathan Aitken did?[emoji16]

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkNo traction at all amongst "senior journalists".

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[Bostonhibby]

No traction at all amongst "senior journalists".

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkNever going to happen given their loyalties and vested interests

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[Stairway 2 7]

BethRigby
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What her allies hope for versus what I'm being told collectively by former cabinet ministers, MPs and even some supporters. Growing sense she can't survive + hearing that substantial letters gone into Sir Graham Brady (who I was told is currently abroad

[Kato]

BethRigby
·
What her allies hope for versus what I'm being told collectively by former cabinet ministers, MPs and even some supporters. Growing sense she can't survive + hearing that substantial letters gone into Sir Graham Brady (who I was told is currently abroadI understand why some of the Tory Party peeps love Boris, even if they don't like or agree with him. He has the type of charisma they crave, she looks and sounds morose. The way she delivers her speeches which usually contain the word "delivers" about 10 times doesn't exactly cut the mustard.

Not many people are going to go on telly and lie for her morning after morning.

[Stairway 2 7]

Malcolm Tucker nails it

https://mobile.twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1580936127560962048

[Ozyhibby]

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[Glory Lurker]

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Alister Jack, chief, this is your moment.

[Stairway 2 7]

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[Glory Lurker]

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Brilliant!

[Mr Grieves]

https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/1581013275101126657?s=19

one for fans of Limmy :greengrin:

[heretoday]

Get Stalin in!

Sorry er Starmer......

[Hibernia&Alba]

Get Stalin in!

Sorry er Starmer......

I would take Uncle Joe ahead of Auntie Liz.

[Glory Lurker]

https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/1581013275101126657?s=19

one for fans of Limmy :greengrin:

Fantastic!!!

[Stairway 2 7]

Hunt also hinting of higher taxes, pretty much the opposite of what he campaigned for 3 months ago. They are pretty much now just trying something watching the economy collapse, then trying something else

HugoGye
·
Jeremy Hunt makes clear to
@BBCr4today
he supports the £10bn-a-month energy bills subsidy, which he points out is "the most expensive measure in the mini Budget



Austerity call it what it is hunt

Andrew Neil

Though he didn’t say so in these exact words Chancellor Hunt’s message to Sky News was clear — prepare for major real terms spending cuts (and maybe further tax rises too). Trussonomics, such as it was, is dead.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/1581186908419665920?t=yjkHENoO8pxOAaPyFmF0_Q&s=19

Miriam Margoyles on the today programme on radio 4

😂😂😂😂😂

[GlesgaeHibby]

Miriam margoyles won't be getting asked back onto the radio anytime soon :greengrin

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1581188048737300480?t=V7Vt6e1Aj3TqgPsrOFKPhg&s=19

[Stairway 2 7]

😆 🤣 😂 😹

Absolutely brilliant from Miriam Margolyes, some girl


https://mobile.twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1581187861776257024

[Stairway 2 7]

Miriam margoyles won't be getting asked back onto the radio anytime soon :greengrin

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1581188048737300480?t=V7Vt6e1Aj3TqgPsrOFKPhg&s=19

Snap. Absolutely brilliant eh

[Bostonhibby]

Snap. Absolutely brilliant eh[emoji106]
The Nasty party donator and failed Nasty party parliamentary candidate appointed by them to run the BBC won't be very happy.

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[Hibbyradge]

More about Miriam.

Her comments at the end of this article when she talks about being political are good too!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/miriam-margoyles-jeremy-hunt-radio-4-b2203342.html#

[Pretty Boy]

Hunt is now the de facto PM. Watch his media round this morning, not a single positive thing to say about Truss, no attempt to defend her.

The Tories know they can't have another leadership contest so Truss has been told to shut up, behave and do what Jeremy and his gang says. They know the next election is lost so it's about steadying the ship and minimising losses.

Utterly pitiful and we really should be having a pre Christmas general election. The man who just about destroyed the NHS is now running the economy and indeed the country during the worst crisis in a generation.

[Kato]

Hunt is now the de facto PM. Watch his media round this morning, not a single positive thing to say about Truss, no attempt to defend her.

The Tories know they can't have another leadership contest so Truss has been told to shut up, behave and do what Jeremy and his gang says. They know the next election is lost so it's about steadying the ship and minimising losses.

Utterly pitiful and we really should be having a pre Christmas general election. The man who just about destroyed the NHS is now running the economy and indeed the country during the worst crisis in a generation."All debts need to find savings" = austerity = "our profits need to keep rising at the rate we are used to so you lot will just have to do with less."

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[Stairway 2 7]

******g mental. Government are apparently going to allow people to get antibiotics from the pharmacy to free up GPS. They really need to read the book superbugs

https://mobile.twitter.com/WvSchaik/status/1581251214137643009

[wookie70]

******g mental. Government are apparently going to be allowed to get antibiotics from the pharmacy to free up GPS. They really need to read the book superbugs

https://mobile.twitter.com/WvSchaik/status/1581251214137643009 They never look beyond the end of their noses. No plan just reaction

[Speedy]

******g mental. Government are apparently going to allow people to get antibiotics from the pharmacy to free up GPS. They really need to read the book superbugs

https://mobile.twitter.com/WvSchaik/status/1581251214137643009

If pharmacists apply the same rigour as GPs then it shouldn't be a problem. Big IF though.

[Moulin Yarns]

If pharmacists apply the same rigour as GPs then it shouldn't be a problem. Big IF though.

My local pharmacy has the ability to prescribe certain drugs already


https://www.nhsinform.scot/care-support-and-rights/nhs-services/pharmacy/nhs-pharmacy-first-scotland

[Stairway 2 7]

If pharmacists apply the same rigour as GPs then it shouldn't be a problem. Big IF though.

Just about every health expert asked is saying its ridiculous. Pharmacists don't have the same time with each patient or time to look at health history. We need to make it harder to get antibiotics not easier although the imbecile health minister wants to make it easier.

"Thérèse Coffey, the health secretary, has pushed to make antibiotics more freely available & has said that she has previously handed out her own supplies of the medicines to friends and family who were feeling unwell"

Some in the fields thoughts

ProfDaveAndress
·
Every doctor, every biologist, everyone with any grasp of antibiotic resistance and its development, just clutching their heads and screaming OH MY GOD NO..

@drjanaway
Negligent and criminal

Mayssa Abuali, MD
@DrMayssaID
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3h
Replying to
@apsmunro
OTC antibiotics: Absolutely horrendous policy. Has the UK gov heard of a global threat called antibiotic resistance

apmcdonnell
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3h
Very worrying from the UK’s new health sec “Coffey had to be convinced by Chris Whitty that the rise of antibiotic resistant superbugs was a significant problem, after suggesting at the start of her tenure that antibiotics should be far easier to obtain

[Just Alf]

Just about every health expert asked is saying its ridiculous. Pharmacists don't have the same time with each patient or time to look at health history. We need to make it harder to get antibiotics not easier although the imbecile health minister wants to make it easier.

"Thérèse Coffey, the health secretary, has pushed to make antibiotics more freely available & has said that she has previously handed out her own supplies of the medicines to friends and family who were feeling unwell"

Some in the fields thoughts

ProfDaveAndress
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Every doctor, every biologist, everyone with any grasp of antibiotic resistance and its development, just clutching their heads and screaming OH MY GOD NO..

@drjanaway
Negligent and criminal

Mayssa Abuali, MD
@DrMayssaID
·
3h
Replying to
@apsmunro
OTC antibiotics: Absolutely horrendous policy. Has the UK gov heard of a global threat called antibiotic resistance

apmcdonnell
·
3h
Very worrying from the UK’s new health sec “Coffey had to be convinced by Chris Whitty that the rise of antibiotic resistant superbugs was a significant problem, after suggesting at the start of her tenure that antibiotics should be far easier to obtainIt's almost like if there's a 'right choice' and a 'wrong choice' in any situation, this present government always, always... picks the wrong option.

How can they all be so thick?

[grunt]

It's almost like if there's a 'right choice' and a 'wrong choice' in any situation, this present government always, always... picks the wrong option.Agreed.

How can they all be so thick?They're not thick. This is all intentional.

[Stairway 2 7]

Agreed.
They're not thick. This is all intentional.

Agreed. It's about the now, they are desperate and greedy. It will help them in the immediate and most importantly save costs. The price, we will pay that in deaths

[Just Alf]

Agreed.
They're not thick. This is all intentional.Yeah... just read that auld Kwazi gets a £17k severance payment!!!

[Smartie]

I’m not actually against this move, in principle.

It’ll need the chemists to know exactly when antibiotics should and should not be used. It’ll need a system in place so that they’re adequately paid for the time it takes to establish this with every individual situation. It’ll take a bit of public education, where if the chemist’s decision is that “plenty of water and paracetamol” should be taken instead of antibiotics, then this should be respected. Knowledge of situations where the patient needs moved on to a GP for further treatment (as they already do) will be needed. And a firm policy of zero tolerance of abuse of staff giving out advice that might be unpopular.

There ARE inefficiencies in the NHS, and one efficiency saving that can be considered is to ask whether or not your highest paid staff are the only people who can carry out certain tasks. Big strides have been made with this in recent decades already. It’s not without risk, but there’s nothing about further worsening the UK’s silk purse / sow’s ear approach to healthcare that isn’t.

[degenerated]

I’m not actually against this move, in principle.

It’ll need the chemists to know exactly when antibiotics should and should not be used. It’ll need a system in place so that they’re adequately paid for the time it takes to establish this with every individual situation. It’ll take a bit of public education, where if the chemist’s decision is that “plenty of water and paracetamol” should be taken instead of antibiotics, then this should be respected. Knowledge of situations where the patient needs moved on to a GP for further treatment (as they already do) will be needed. And a firm policy of zero tolerance of abuse of staff giving out advice that might be unpopular.

There ARE inefficiencies in the NHS, and one efficiency saving that can be considered is to ask whether or not your highest paid staff are the only people who can carry out certain tasks. Big strides have been made with this in recent decades already. It’s not without risk, but there’s nothing about further worsening the UK’s silk purse / sow’s ear approach to healthcare that isn’t.Isn't it common in other countries for pharmacists to be able to prescribe antibiotics. In Spain it was the case, I'm sure, as I got them from chemists for an ear infection a few years back.

[Speedy]

Just about every health expert asked is saying its ridiculous. Pharmacists don't have the same time with each patient or time to look at health history. We need to make it harder to get antibiotics not easier although the imbecile health minister wants to make it easier.

"Thérèse Coffey, the health secretary, has pushed to make antibiotics more freely available & has said that she has previously handed out her own supplies of the medicines to friends and family who were feeling unwell"

Some in the fields thoughts

ProfDaveAndress
·
Every doctor, every biologist, everyone with any grasp of antibiotic resistance and its development, just clutching their heads and screaming OH MY GOD NO..

@drjanaway
Negligent and criminal

Mayssa Abuali, MD
@DrMayssaID
·
3h
Replying to
@apsmunro
OTC antibiotics: Absolutely horrendous policy. Has the UK gov heard of a global threat called antibiotic resistance

apmcdonnell
·
3h
Very worrying from the UK’s new health sec “Coffey had to be convinced by Chris Whitty that the rise of antibiotic resistant superbugs was a significant problem, after suggesting at the start of her tenure that antibiotics should be far easier to obtain

IF implemented property then it shouldn't be a problem.

With idiots in charge, it reduces the chances of things being implemented property - which is where the problem lies.

[Hibrandenburg]

Starmer nearly got it right today but he was wrong, it's me first, the rich second, party third and to hell with the country.

[hibee]

******g mental. Government are apparently going to allow people to get antibiotics from the pharmacy to free up GPS. They really need to read the book superbugs

https://mobile.twitter.com/WvSchaik/status/1581251214137643009

As someone who is with a GP surgery that rarely answers the phone never mind give out appointments this sounds like a great idea to me as long as they don’t just hand them out no questions asked.

[Stairway 2 7]

I’m not actually against this move, in principle.

It’ll need the chemists to know exactly when antibiotics should and should not be used. It’ll need a system in place so that they’re adequately paid for the time it takes to establish this with every individual situation. It’ll take a bit of public education, where if the chemist’s decision is that “plenty of water and paracetamol” should be taken instead of antibiotics, then this should be respected. Knowledge of situations where the patient needs moved on to a GP for further treatment (as they already do) will be needed. And a firm policy of zero tolerance of abuse of staff giving out advice that might be unpopular.

There ARE inefficiencies in the NHS, and one efficiency saving that can be considered is to ask whether or not your highest paid staff are the only people who can carry out certain tasks. Big strides have been made with this in recent decades already. It’s not without risk, but there’s nothing about further worsening the UK’s silk purse / sow’s ear approach to healthcare that isn’t.

Antibiotics is trending in the uk on twitter and I've yet to see anyone say its anything but a monumental disaster. Its very good saying if the pharmacists spends the right amount of time to assess each person. Come on in the real work at scale that's not happening with a queue. If you think pharmacists are getting extra money for training and the extra staff needed then come on.

Bma says uk needs to cut down Antibiotics use by 25% in the next 5 years. The medical community are fuming, I'm inclined to think they know better than the tories. If you think the tories are planning to do this for public health reasons and not for money saving them I've a bridge to sell you mate

[Smartie]

Isn't it common in other countries for pharmacists to be able to prescribe antibiotics. In Spain it was the case, I'm sure, as I got them from chemists for an ear infection a few years back.

Yes - and it works well.

I’m pretty sure in a lot of places you can get a lot of drugs over the counter that you need a prescription for in the UK.

It sometimes boils down to “it costs £200 to get these from the doctor or £20 to get these from the chemist” and so few people choose the doctor that the option disappears. A reality we’re somewhat protected from with the NHS.

[Stairway 2 7]

As someone who is with a GP surgery that rarely answers the phone never mind give out appointments this sounds like a great idea to me as long as they don’t just hand them out no questions asked.

Tens of thousands die a year in the uk due to antibiotic resistance. When disease eventually becomes resistant completely to antibiotics, it will make covid look like a wee cold that went about. We need more hurdles, much more

[Rumble de Thump]

A GP will have the knowledge, training, experience and detailed patient information to make the right call regarding antibiotics. They are best placed to prescribe them.

[Stairway 2 7]

Yes - and it works well.

I’m pretty sure in a lot of places you can get a lot of drugs over the counter that you need a prescription for in the UK.

It sometimes boils down to “it costs £200 to get these from the doctor or £20 to get these from the chemist” and so few people choose the doctor that the option disappears. A reality we’re somewhat protected from with the NHS.

It really doesn't. 1 in 10 antibiotics deaths in the eu occurs in Spain according to who. But it was easy just went to the chemist and 5 minutes later I was sorted.

First comprehensive analysis of global impact of antimicrobial resistance (AMR) estimates resistance itself caused 1.27 million deaths in 2019 - more deaths than HIV/AIDS or malaria - and that antimicrobial-resistant infections played a role in 4.95 million deaths

[Stairway 2 7]

A GP will have the knowledge, training, experience and detailed patient information to make the right call regarding antibiotics. They are best placed to prescribe them.

GPS agree, I doubt they want more work than they need. The Tories disagree

[Smartie]

Antibiotics is trending in the uk on twitter and I've yet to see anyone say its anything but a monumental disaster. Its very good saying if the pharmacists spends the right amount of time to assess each person. Come on in the real work at scale that's not happening with a queue. If you think pharmacists are getting extra money for training and the extra staff needed then come on.

Bma says uk needs to cut down Antibiotics use by 25% in the next 5 years. The medical community are fuming, I'm inclined to think they know better than the tories. If you think the tories are planning to do this for public health reasons and not for money saving them I've a bridge to sell you mate

Yeah, and I can imagine what Twitter would have been like when hygienists started taking over aspects of dental treatment and nurse practitioners started easing doctors’ workload.

It would need to be implemented properly and be done for the right reasons, both of which I have reservations about.

But I don’t think it should be dismissed out of hand, in fact I think it’s a good idea in principle.

(Although I’d tend to use any savings to fund better care elsewhere rather than tax cuts).

[Stairway 2 7]

Yeah, and I can imagine what Twitter would have been like when hygienists started taking over aspects of dental treatment and nurse practitioners started easing doctors’ workload.

It would need to be implemented properly and be done for the right reasons, both of which I have reservations about.

But I don’t think it should be dismissed out of hand, in fact I think it’s a good idea in principle.

(Although I’d tend to use any savings to fund better care elsewhere rather than tax cuts).

This isn't dental assistants taking over aspects of treatment, this is what many believe is the biggest challenge facing the medical community. And its not just twitter its the bma the chief medical officer. The only people I've seen that think it's a good idea are you and the health minister who admitted to not completing her course of antibiotics and giving it to her family, nut job.

If you've ever got drugs over the counter in Spain you'll know how easy it'll be in the real world.

We need to heavily restrict antibiotics, more barriers please

[Hibrandenburg]

Allowing pharmacists to sell antibiotics to whoever they decide to sell them to is like making the wolf the shepherd.

[Smartie]

It really doesn't. 1 in 10 antibiotics deaths in the eu occurs in Spain according to who. But it was easy just went to the chemist and 5 minutes later I was sorted.

First comprehensive analysis of global impact of antimicrobial resistance (AMR) estimates resistance itself caused 1.27 million deaths in 2019 - more deaths than HIV/AIDS or malaria - and that antimicrobial-resistant infections played a role in 4.95 million deaths

I’m not underplaying the importance of the antibiotic resistance problem. My personal opinion is that it poses the greatest threat to humanity, greater than nuclear weapons or viral mutations (man made or otherwise).

Re the UK though - I reckon the most inappropriate antibiotic prescription comes from overworked clinicians working in underfunded services. It doesn’t matter if a doctor knows best what to do, see what they do when they’ve got 5 minutes for a consultation, they’re already running 45 minutes late a waiting room full of patients, a screaming toddler and a screaming mother in front of them demanding antibiotics.

Is it a calm conversation about antibiotic resistance or is it the prescription pad?

That’s before you price in tax cuts.

Any solution to this sort of situation, I’m open to.

Or at least a discussion about it.

[Smartie]

This isn't dental assistants taking over aspects of treatment, this is what many believe is the biggest challenge facing the medical community. And its not just twitter its the bma the chief medical officer. The only people I've seen that think it's a good idea are you and the health minister who admitted to not completing her course of antibiotics and giving it to her family, nut job.

If you've ever got drugs over the counter in Spain you'll know how easy it'll be in the real world.

We need to heavily restrict antibiotics, more barriers please

I agree that we need to heavily restrict antibiotics, I agree that Coffey is an imbecile whose personal experiences should be ignored as the low quality of evidence that they are.

I accept that “Spain” is probably too far the other way and we’d be insane to copy what they do.

But is there not probably a common sense option somewhere in the middle?

Re the barriers to inappropriate antibiotic prescribing - I don’t want more, I want the right ones and I’m not convinced they currently exist. And I’d suggest that the BMA,their members and similar institutions might want to continuously look in the mirror when it comes to this particular subject rather than instantly rule out change, which they invariably do.

[Smartie]

Allowing pharmacists to sell antibiotics to whoever they decide to sell them to is like making the wolf the shepherd.

What if you pay them for their expertise, rather than for dispensing antibiotics?

It is true that clinicians can behave either very well or very badly depending on how you incentivise them.

[Pretty Boy]

When it comes to antibiotic resistance the absolutely ridiculous overuse in agricultural is arguably a far bigger issue than letting pharmacists make the decision in certain cases.

I don't think GPs are immune to misusing antibiotics either. A couple of minutes on Google will find plenty confessions from Doctors admitting to giving antibiotics to patients to whom they have no value just to get rid of them. Obviously that's both anecdotal and probably not all that widespread.

I've no real idea if this is a good idea or not but almost every proposed change in the NHS is met with howls of derision on Twitter so I'm not placing too much value in that.

[Hibrandenburg]

What if you pay them for their expertise, rather than for dispensing antibiotics?

It is true that clinicians can behave either very well or very badly depending on how you incentivise them.

The intention is to save money. This is another step towards making profit from health care rather than improving it and another nail in the coffin of the NHS.

[Bostonhibby]

Agreed.
They're not thick. This is all intentional.[emoji106] Sitting behind this is very likely to be some well connected private business being handsomely rewarded for this latest bit of privatisation by stealth without mentioning privatisation of the NHS.

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[Smartie]

The intention is to save money. This is another step towards making profit from health care rather than improving it and another nail in the coffin of the NHS.

I disagree.

It’s a step towards using taxpayers money as efficiently as possible which is to be applauded, whatever your political outlook.

I’d rather money saved went towards funding the improvement of underperforming, underfunded services elsewhere rather than tax cuts but that’s just my political outlook.

There’s a financial reality involved in healthcare, irrespective of how it is funded.

[hibsbollah]

I disagree.

It’s a step towards using taxpayers money as efficiently as possible which is to be applauded, whatever your political outlook.

I’d rather money saved went towards funding the improvement of underperforming, underfunded services elsewhere rather than tax cuts but that’s just my political outlook.

You are part of the 80% majority. But we are ruled by a unelected group of extremists in thrall to the private equity ****heads that back them.

[grunt]

It’s a step towards using taxpayers money as efficiently as possible which is to be applauded, whatever your political outlook.

The Tories seem to think that fixing the NHS problem is all down to finance and funding. But there's a healthcare element at play here, which is difficult to place a financial value on. All the healthcare professionals are saying the cost to world healthcare of this antibiotic liberalisation is not worth the financial saving.

I'm inclined to take their word over the incompetent Tories any day and twice on Saturday.

[Smartie]

The Tories seem to think that fixing the NHS problem is all down to finance and funding. But there's a healthcare element at play here, which is difficult to place a financial value on. All the healthcare professionals are saying the cost to world healthcare of this antibiotic liberalisation is not worth the financial saving.

I'm inclined to take their word over the incompetent Tories any day and twice on Saturday.

My opinion is that the subject that connects pretty much every subject on the HG is “we have an ageing population, what are we going to do about it”? That goes from Putin and Russia’s demographic issues via Brexit to folk thinking that Scottish independence to Tory tax cuts are the answer.

Whilst we squabble and bicker about aspects of it, we leave ourselves open to abuse by all kinds of vested interests.

It’s an idea that I think has some merit - only because I think that efficiencies in certain areas can be used to help fund the expensive care of an ageing population. If it proves to be unworkable then it shouldn’t be done.

There’s a lot that we do right in the UK, there are things that are done better elsewhere, and we should always be open to the idea of change.

I don’t trust the Tories, their backers or even the motivation behind this. Doesn’t make it necessarily a bad idea to be dismissed out of hand though.

[Bostonhibby]

My opinion is that the subject that connects pretty much every subject on the HG is “we have an ageing population, what are we going to do about it”? That goes from Putin and Russia’s demographic issues via Brexit to folk thinking that Scottish independence to Tory tax cuts are the answer.

Whilst we squabble and bicker about aspects of it, we leave ourselves open to abuse by all kinds of vested interests.

It’s an idea that I think has some merit - only because I think that efficiencies in certain areas can be used to help fund the expensive care of an ageing population. If it proves to be unworkable then it shouldn’t be done.

There’s a lot that we do right in the UK, there are things that are done better elsewhere, and we should always be open to the idea of change.

I don’t trust the Tories, their backers or even the motivation behind this. Doesn’t make it necessarily a bad idea to be dismissed out of hand though.

I'm old enough, and cynical enough to remember previous generations of the Nasty party telling a grateful nation that the only way to run gas, electricity, water supply and the rail network was to privatise it. We are reaping the benefits now.

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[Stairway 2 7]

I disagree.

It’s a step towards using taxpayers money as efficiently as possible which is to be applauded, whatever your political outlook.

I’d rather money saved went towards funding the improvement of underperforming, underfunded services elsewhere rather than tax cuts but that’s just my political outlook.

There’s a financial reality involved in healthcare, irrespective of how it is funded.

I'd say you were being a bit nieve if you think this it being done on medical grounds, the chief medical officer is pushing against it. This is about cuts. If you think the cuts here will go back into the NHSfrom the tories then I really don't know what to say.

Doctors can be guilty of giving them out too easily, but there is no chance they will be given out less if both Doctors and pharmacists can give them.

SNPs Scottish health minister of Public health disagrees also

@MareeToddMSP

This isn’t the solution to better access to healthcare.

It shows a complete disregard for one of the pressing medical challenges of our time - antibiotic resistance

And to pharmacists - who are autonomous healthcare professionals specialising in the rational use of medicines

[Stairway 2 7]

The biggest f up since brexit trussenomics

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/137dd022-4caa-11ed-b4df-93f167fe6682?shareToken=78af9930cf804de873ac62f87a cc399b


Devan Sinha
@DevanSinha
£72B black hole w/ Truss taxcuts (fiscal consolidation for debt falling to GDP) according to OBR model. Implies £20B in interest-debt service cost increase since minibudget on 23rd Sept. Per OBR models that's a cost to Exchequer equivalent ~2/3 Brexit

Even after corporation tax u-turn that remaining £52B is 2% of GDP. That is the same scale as the Cameron/Osbourne austerity from 2010 (
@TorstenBell
). All needed to be done again to make public finances sustainable. Not politically viable

Basically entire Truss package is unaffordable. Even NI cut already voted by Commons. But even if whole thing reversed now will need £30B of cuts because of way it destabilized debt market and added extra interest rate premium. Even w/out Truss times would have been tight

That 3 week dalliance with Trussonomics was a monumental policy blunder for the ages. On the scale of Suez+Returning to gold standard in 1920's.

Truss has ensured entire chapters in the history books for herself even tho she likely won't last more than a couple of months

[hibsbollah]

My opinion is that the subject that connects pretty much every subject on the HG is “we have an ageing population, what are we going to do about it”? That goes from Putin and Russia’s demographic issues via Brexit to folk thinking that Scottish independence to Tory tax cuts are the answer.

Whilst we squabble and bicker about aspects of it, we leave ourselves open to abuse by all kinds of vested interests.

It’s an idea that I think has some merit - only because I think that efficiencies in certain areas can be used to help fund the expensive care of an ageing population. If it proves to be unworkable then it shouldn’t be done.

There’s a lot that we do right in the UK, there are things that are done better elsewhere, and we should always be open to the idea of change.

I don’t trust the Tories, their backers or even the motivation behind this. Doesn’t make it necessarily a bad idea to be dismissed out of hand though.

I liked this earlier

Dear There'sa Cofffin. Regarding your proposal that 'more antibiotics should be made available over the counter' in order to 'free up GP time'. I see that Professor Whitty's office has already described your proposal as 'moronic'. I see that there are concerns about antibiotic resistance. My main worry would be for the public - for most antibiotics, the chances of side effects are around 1 in 8 (diarrhoea, thrush, rashes), serious side effects around 1 in 250, and life-threatening side effects such as anaphylaxis of around 1 in 10,000*. I would also worry that for most minor ailments, antibiotics simply don't work; you need to give around 18 people a course of antibiotics to improve the clinical course of a single person with sinusitis, for example.
If you really wanted to 'free up GP time', you'd find a way to provide the extra 10,000 GPs that your party has been promising for ages, rather than ****-up the ability of the NHS to treat serious infections, while allowing people to buy potentially dangerous drugs which won't work. Just a thought.
*Figures from BNF, Cochrane, and Sinusitis numbers from Lemiengre et al 2012.

[stoneyburn hibs]

We're on the sidelines commenting about the ongoing ****show.
Who's the mugs?
Oil,gas and surplus of renewable energy in Scotland.

[Jack]

I'm astonished that people on here seem to think pharmacists are some sort of fly by night irresponsible drug dealers.

As far as pills and potions are concerned they are the experts, more so than GENERAL Practitioners. Are people here aware that GP practices employ pharmacists behind the scenes to regularly review the medication, obviously including antibiotics, prescribed by their GPs?

Of course there would have to be safeguards, for example access by this qualified medical practitioner to patients records.

It's about time more people realised the GP isn't always the most appropriate healthcare professional they need to see.

[Hibbyradge]

https://youtu.be/Sm-RE95lKJ0

Credit where credit's due. Funny.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm astonished that people on here seem to think pharmacists are some sort of fly by night irresponsible drug dealers.

As far as pills and potions are concerned they are the experts, more so than GENERAL Practitioners. Are people here aware that GP practices employ pharmacists behind the scenes to regularly review the medication, obviously including antibiotics, prescribed by their GPs?

Of course there would have to be safeguards, for example access by this qualified medical practitioner to patients records.

It's about time more people realised the GP isn't always the most appropriate healthcare professional they need to see.

Your saying like it's us just saying its ridiculous. It's the Scottish health minister and uks chief medical officer your disagreeing with if you think this is a good idea.

Coffey has pushed for easier access for anti bi's from day 1. The idea that this will come with funding to run it properly or the money saved will go into the NHS is mental.

It's austerity and purely a financial based decision, which her chief medical officer is against

[Just Alf]

Having been to a chemist yesterday and seen the queue all waiting to see the pharmacist for the minor stuff they can already do adding antibiotics on top would probably mean they'd need more trained staff.... Good for employment (in 4 -5 years time after the training, less good on cost savings.
(unless GPs are supposed to downsize)

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm astonished that people on here seem to think pharmacists are some sort of fly by night irresponsible drug dealers.

As far as pills and potions are concerned they are the experts, more so than GENERAL Practitioners. Are people here aware that GP practices employ pharmacists behind the scenes to regularly review the medication, obviously including antibiotics, prescribed by their GPs?

Of course there would have to be safeguards, for example access by this qualified medical practitioner to patients records.

It's about time more people realised the GP isn't always the most appropriate healthcare professional they need to see.

I don't think anybody is saying that Jack, but there will be some bad apples and others under finacial pressure to get as many sales as possible. Chemist shops are private businesses that help prop up our NHS, but the chemists themselves have no access to patient files or patient medical histories. Antibiotics are prescription drugs for a reason.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm astonished that people on here seem to think pharmacists are some sort of fly by night irresponsible drug dealers.

As far as pills and potions are concerned they are the experts, more so than GENERAL Practitioners. Are people here aware that GP practices employ pharmacists behind the scenes to regularly review the medication, obviously including antibiotics, prescribed by their GPs?

Of course there would have to be safeguards, for example access by this qualified medical practitioner to patients records.

It's about time more people realised the GP isn't always the most appropriate healthcare professional they need to see.

Agree on that. I’ve used the pharmacist a few times now rather than bother with the docs. No need for appointment and got sorted every time.


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[marinello59]

I don't think anybody is saying that Jack, but there will be some bad apples and others under finacial pressure to get as many sales as possible. Chemist shops are private businesses that help prop up our NHS, but the chemists themselves have no access to patient files or patient medical histories. Antibiotics are prescription drugs for a reason.

GPs are private businesses as well. The drug company reps are regular visitors to them.

[Stairway 2 7]

I think perhaps 2 things are getting mixed up. I don't think anyone is saying technically this could be done right. If there was investment in training, more staff, a strict code of conduct, money for a public information campaign, a push to massively drop antibiotics use.

What we're saying is 100% none of that will happen. This is the tory government, it is obviously cuts. None of the above will happen it is a short sighted monetary win and to he'll with the consequences

Pharmacists are clearly well trained people but need the tools. This is being pushed by coffey against Chris Whittys wishes. The same women who says she wants easier access and gives her antibiotics to her friends, something she should be sacked for

[Stairway 2 7]

The Sunday Times says the cuts are coming

https://mobile.twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1581565628183609344


Harry Yorke
@HarryYorke1
Until Friday and Kwarteng’s sacking the Treasury was to ask gov depts to find up to 15 percent in savings from their capital budgets (half retained/reallocated and other half returned to HMT). Plus £5bn from day to day spending

We’re told Hunt intends to go much further

These are extracts from a letter HMT was due to send to departments on Monday

My back of envelope maths is cuts at about £8.3bn (with £13bn reallocated)

Note: this is before Hunt arrived - the ask is likely to be bigger now

[Hibrandenburg]

GPs are private businesses as well. The drug company reps are regular visitors to them.

Yes I agree, but chemists aren't trained to diagnose illness nor do they have access to patients medical history.

[Jack]

Yes I agree, but chemists aren't trained to diagnose illness nor do they have access to patients medical history.

I'm not sure access to patients records would be an issue. I'm fairly certain pharmacists already have access. It would just be a case of opening up that access to the appropriate part of the patients record.

I can't think of any healthcare professional that doesn't have access to the patient records. However each one only has access to the sections appropriate to their work. I can't think of anyone that has access to the full record.

[Glory Lurker]

https://youtu.be/Sm-RE95lKJ0

Credit where credit's due. Funny.

That really is!!!

[stu in nottingham]

I'm not sure access to patients records would be an issue. I'm fairly certain pharmacists already have access. It would just be a case of opening up that access to the appropriate part of the patients record.

I can't think of any healthcare professional that doesn't have access to the patient records. However each one only has access to the sections appropriate to their work. I can't think of anyone that has access to the full record.

Pharmacists who work within GP practices certainly do, in order to carry out medication reviews etc. It would maybe indicate that all do, for their pertinent part of the records as you say Jack.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The Sunday Times says the cuts are coming

https://mobile.twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1581565628183609344


Harry Yorke
@HarryYorke1
Until Friday and Kwarteng’s sacking the Treasury was to ask gov depts to find up to 15 percent in savings from their capital budgets (half retained/reallocated and other half returned to HMT). Plus £5bn from day to day spending

We’re told Hunt intends to go much further

These are extracts from a letter HMT was due to send to departments on Monday

My back of envelope maths is cuts at about £8.3bn (with £13bn reallocated)

Note: this is before Hunt arrived - the ask is likely to be bigger now

They are deliberately destroying our public services before they are voted out. Then, just like in the eighties and nineties, they will say, "look, the public sector is useless, we must privatise." We all know where that leads: much higher costs and a worse service, as the profiteers rip out everything.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-10-16/liz-truss-will-have-to-resign-tory-mps-admit

Robert Peston
@Peston
Tory MPs tell me the question is when the PM will resign, not if. A minister: “A change is going to come very soon. Every day wasted costs the economy and our reputation dearly

[Kato]

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-10-16/liz-truss-will-have-to-resign-tory-mps-admit

Robert Peston
@Peston
Tory MPs tell me the question is when the PM will resign, not if. A minister: “A change is going to come very soon. Every day wasted costs the economy and our reputation dearly"Reputation", hehe

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[cabbageandribs1875]

The Muppets (1) Colin McQuaid on Twitter: "Seems fitting #GeneralElection2022 #liztrussmemes #torymuppets #torychaos https://t.co/MiG9VQWKhr" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/colinpmcquaid/status/1581268144244813825)

[GlesgaeHibby]

Tories in full blown panic mode today, bringing forward a fiscal statement to reverse the rest of the mini budget - but still going ahead with 31 October statement. So, 3 mini budgets in 6 weeks...