Tories are still lying *******s

[Hibernia&Alba]

They have now descended to the level of cabinet ministers arguing with each other during a party conference. Penny Mordaunt says she doesn't support the idea of refusing to increase benefits by the rate of inflation; the lunatic Suella Braverman is still going around saying Boris was removed in a coup. Some are saying the U-Turn on the 45p tax band was right; others are saying it was wrong. It's a now a shambles, a dysfunctional government dying on its arse. There will be more U-Turns on parts of the mini-budget in coming weeks. Even this far out from a general election, they know the game is up, and even an eighty-seat majority won't save them.

The Tories are in a bind. They are learning how useless Truss is, but they can't possibly change leader again so soon.

[Hibrandenburg]

They have now descended to the level of cabinet ministers arguing with each other during a party conference. Penny Mordaunt says she doesn't support the idea of refusing to increase benefits by the rate of inflation; the lunatic Suella Braverman is still going around saying Boris was removed in a coup. Some are saying the U-Turn on the 45p tax band was right; others are saying it was wrong. It's a now a shambles, a dysfunctional government dying on its arse. There will be more U-Turns on parts of the mini-budget in coming weeks. Even this far out from a general election, they know the game is up, and even an eighty-seat majority won't save them.

The Tories are in a bind. They are learning how useless Truss is, but they can't possibly change leader again so soon.

I used to ask myself "how can Boris Johnson's cabinet sit there and take the buffoon seriously"? But now it's obvious, they must have all looked up to him thinking he was a genius.

[Just Alf]

I used to ask myself "how can Boris Johnson's cabinet sit there and take the buffoon seriously"? But now it's obvious, they must have all looked up to him thinking he was a genius.Nailed it! :rofl:

[grunt]

Astonished - and saddened - to read this

https://northeastbylines.co.uk/prime-minister-and-chancellor-could-help-the-north-east-but-will-they/


More than half – 52% – of all babies, children and young people growing up in the North East of England are in families relying on Universal Credit or equivalent legacy benefits.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I used to ask myself "how can Boris Johnson's cabinet sit there and take the buffoon seriously"? But now it's obvious, they must have all looked up to him thinking he was a genius.

Compared to Truss he is a genius. She is known to be lazy and doesn't have a grasp of detail, plus she is a terrible communicator. I saw an LBC clip on You Tube, where it was claimed 26 letters of no confidence in Truss have already been submitted by Tory MPs. If that's true, it's astonishing after three weeks!

[makaveli1875]

I used to ask myself "how can Boris Johnson's cabinet sit there and take the buffoon seriously"? But now it's obvious, they must have all looked up to him thinking he was a genius.

Boris is daft not stupid , Liz truss is completely stupid and daft

[Hibernia&Alba]

Astonished - and saddened - to read this

https://northeastbylines.co.uk/prime-minister-and-chancellor-could-help-the-north-east-but-will-they/

Boris's levelling up pledge (for what it was worth) is now in the bin, replaced by a reversion to trickledown economics, with billions of pounds of spending cuts. Poverty will get worse in the coming years.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Boris is daft not stupid , Liz truss is completely stupid and daft

Yes

[Kato]

Astonished - and saddened - to read this

https://northeastbylines.co.uk/prime-minister-and-chancellor-could-help-the-north-east-but-will-they/They are chucking the whole country into managed decline. Prior to Thatcher putting millions on the dole in her speech at Conference she put it in a way that it was a temporary measure and that everyone would pivot into the "new jobs" that would be created by "the market". The reason I remember that is my mate, unemployed for years afterwards, used to joke he was doing his bit for the country by signing on every week and taking part in Tory Party policy. Tebbit then made his "get on yer bikes" quip and the smearing of the unemployed as "dole moles" and "benefit spongers" hasn't stopped since.

It's a great trick they have pulled in normalising the fact that we have people in jobs claiming benefits. Will never fathom that being acceptable. They say are "good with the economy" but they most definitely are not. They have rinsed the public purse a few too many times.

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[Kato]

Boris's levelling up pledge (for what it was worth) is now in the bin, replaced by a reversion to trickledown economics, with billions of pounds of spending cuts. Poverty will get worse in the coming years.True. Never made the connection between those two models before. You can't have direct levelling up and trickle down. Brass neck. Do they have a levelling up minister?

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[Hibernia&Alba]

True. Never made the connection between those two models before. You can't have direct levelling up and trickle down. Brass neck. Do they have a levelling up minister?

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I think they still do, but with such a radical change in direction, it would now seem unnecessary. Truss's economic plan is entirely different from levelling up.

[Col2]

The thing I don’t get.

They will need to appeal to the electorate at local election in May 2023 and more importantly in a general election in 2024.

Other than a small percentage of right wing rich people the only other halfwits they managed to appeal to was the UKIP anti immigrant Brexit at all cost “I am not a racist honestly” mob. Even that lot will have woken up to the fact that they are much worse off and Brexit has been a total con.

So how can they win an election? I know it’s 2 years away but they have no chance unless Starmer starts torturing kittens.

Is the really big plan to stop the next general election happening “in national interest due to XYZ crisis”

The other factor is like Starmer, Sturgeon doesn’t really need to do much to win independance. But she needs to do it before labour get in as I suspect some level of normality will return and she would lose some voters.

[grunt]

So how can they win an election? I know it’s 2 years away but they have no chance unless Starmer starts torturing kittens.
My view, totally based on nothing other than smell, is they know they can't win the next election. So the next two years is about stealing as much money they can from the public purse for themselves and their donors, privatising the NHS, and leaving the country so deep in trouble that Labour will look bad trying to get us out of it. Scorched Earth policy.

[Col2]

My view, totally based on nothing other than smell, is they know they can't win the next election. So the next two years is about stealing as much money they can from the public purse for themselves and their donors, privatising the NHS, and leaving the country so deep in trouble that Labour will look bad trying to get us out of it. Scorched Earth policy.

Yes and I can see that as a possibility. But do governments with two years to go really give up that easily? One thing is clear they have no interest in governing and doing the tough bits like building a proper plan, delivering it, measuring it etc.

[Kato]

I think they still do, but with such a radical change in direction, it would now seem unnecessary. Truss's economic plan is entirely different from levelling up.As a party they don't know if they are going for a scheidt or a haircut.

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[Just Alf]

The thing I don’t get.

They will need to appeal to the electorate at local election in May 2023 and more importantly in a general election in 2024.

Other than a small percentage of right wing rich people the only other halfwits they managed to appeal to was the UKIP anti immigrant Brexit at all cost “I am not a racist honestly” mob. Even that lot will have woken up to the fact that they are much worse off and Brexit has been a total con.

So how can they win an election? I know it’s 2 years away but they have no chance unless Starmer starts torturing kittens.

Is the really big plan to stop the next general election happening “in national interest due to XYZ crisis”

The other factor is like Starmer, Sturgeon doesn’t really need to do much to win independance. But she needs to do it before labour get in as I suspect some level of normality will return and she would lose some voters.Hmmm. She/they might end up thinking get rid of those pesky Scots and we'll have more chance of winning.... let's give 'em their referendum! :greengrin

[Glory Lurker]

Douglas Ross won't say if he thinks benefits should rise in line with inflation.

[Kato]

Douglas Ross won't say if he thinks benefits should rise in line with inflation.https://i.ibb.co/HDkBw1h/f8d24a6f02e44d7297cd897a595484c3-l.jpg

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221005/83f39c4c7f1f9aa97bfb226ac2a03043.jpg

Tories facing wipeout in Scotland.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Douglas Ross won't say if he thinks benefits should rise in line with inflation.


he waits to see what public reactions are first


then he'll flip


and flop

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

My view, totally based on nothing other than smell, is they know they can't win the next election. So the next two years is about stealing as much money they can from the public purse for themselves and their donors, privatising the NHS, and leaving the country so deep in trouble that Labour will look bad trying to get us out of it. Scorched Earth policy.

I was going to post similar earlier on today.

[Kato]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221005/83f39c4c7f1f9aa97bfb226ac2a03043.jpg

Tories facing wipeout in Scotland.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI don't trust these polls and I don't think that reflects what will become reality. Way too kind on them.

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[Keith_M]

Douglas Ross won't say if he thinks benefits should rise in line with inflation.


There was a Tory PPB on just after the news today, starring the aforementioned Douglas and his family

They tried to paint themselves as an ordinary family, sharing the struggle to get through the economic pressure of everyday life.


It was totally sickening.

[Bostonhibby]

My view, totally based on nothing other than smell, is they know they can't win the next election. So the next two years is about stealing as much money they can from the public purse for themselves and their donors, privatising the NHS, and leaving the country so deep in trouble that Labour will look bad trying to get us out of it. Scorched Earth policy.Yep, they've filled their boots with existing cash, and now they are going to pillage the new pot they are creating by borrowing, stealth privatise more of the NHS then hand the whole ***** show to labour then get the media to convince f wits with short memories that it's all Labour's fault. Rinse and repeat with the public purse.

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[Jack]

Yes and I can see that as a possibility. But do governments with two years to go really give up that easily? One thing is clear they have no interest in governing and doing the tough bits like building a proper plan, delivering it, measuring it etc.

They won't be giving up. They will be going hell for leather to fill their pockets with as much as possible before they go.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221005/e1f4f7f05aa19776c15f720f3c9d8d4d.jpg

Good news for Truss though, she’s not the most unpopular politician in Scotland.


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[Jack]

Trussbot said.

“For too long our economy hasn’t grown as strongly as it should have done. I know what it’s like to live somewhere that isn’t feeling the benefits of economic growth. I grew up in Paisley and in Leeds in the 80s and 90s – I’ve seen the boarded-up shops, I’ve seen people left with no hope, turning to drugs, I’ve seen families struggling to put food on the table."

Desperate times in the 80s and 90s. 17 years of a tory government does that hen.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1577619821923110912?s=46&t=xHJ_DigDR-ZhPoyz8RfSiA

Genuine question, is it as bad as that in Scotland? I know when I phone my GP it is always a hassle getting through but eventually I do and usually get an appointment that day or next? I haven’t heard of people waiting a week or longer?


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[Mon Dieu4]

https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1577619821923110912?s=46&t=xHJ_DigDR-ZhPoyz8RfSiA

Genuine question, is it as bad as that in Scotland? I know when I phone my GP it is always a hassle getting through but eventually I do and usually get an appointment that day or next? I haven’t heard of people waiting a week or longer?


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Dunno if covid has made a difference as I haven't had to speak to my doctor in a few years, but anytime I've needed to see them previously it's been either that day or the next or at the very least a phone call from the the same day

[hibee]

Genuine question, is it as bad as that in Scotland? I know when I phone my GP it is always a hassle getting through but eventually I do and usually get an appointment that day or next? I haven’t heard of people waiting a week or longer?


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My surgery doesn’t allow appointments to be made in advance so you have to call when they open at 8am to try and get a same day appointment.

If there’s too many calls which is most days you get a recorded message then are cut off. There’s no option but to keep trying so could call several hundred times over a week before even getting to join the queue to speak to a receptionist who then decides if you’re ill enough to be allowed a call back from a gp, if they allow it you then have to wait all day hoping for a call back.

[Callum_62]

I rarely visit the doctors but me moved just as covid hit and we changed doctors

First viist to them last week rang at 11am and was being seen at mid day

The previous GP we were at (still the same council) was no where near as efficient


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[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1577619821923110912?s=46&t=xHJ_DigDR-ZhPoyz8RfSiA

Genuine question, is it as bad as that in Scotland? I know when I phone my GP it is always a hassle getting through but eventually I do and usually get an appointment that day or next? I haven’t heard of people waiting a week or longer?


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It varies from practice to practice but in general, I think the NHS is better funded in Scotland and performing a bit less badly.

If you phone my practice to book an appointment it’ll be way more than 2 weeks but if if you think it’s anything resembling urgent they’ll give you an appointment that day if you phone in at 8am.

There’s an online form thing that’s a bit hit and miss.


Any sensible person would call it out as a shambles and woefully short of what a relatively well off country should be offering.

But I do find comparisons of these sorts of things to be very much like comparing apples and oranges, and at risk of mixing metaphors like 2 bald men fighting over a comb because none of it is good enough.

[Stairway 2 7]

Imagine being called too right wing by dorries

The Telegraph
@Telegraph
7 minutes ago
Tory chairman rejects Nadine Dorries's claim party is 'lurching to the right'
Jake Berry has rejected claims from Nadine Dorries that Liz Truss's Government is "lurching to the right" and is facing a potential "wipeout" at the next general election.

The chairman of the Conservative Party said that Ms Dorries, the former culture secretary, and other Tory MPs should "look really carefully" at the speech made by the Prime Minister in Birmingham yesterday

[Hibernia&Alba]

Okay, energy bills will be more than double this winter, but it needn't be a problem. If you're in work, you get yourself a better job. If you aren't in work for whatever reason, you switch off the heating. Haven't you plebs heard of hoosecoats? As the great Suella says, the British have had it too easy and have been mollycoddled by the state.

How to win friends and influence people:


https://youtu.be/-i8vLXXd9z8

[Bostonhibby]

Okay, energy bills will be more than double this winter, but it needn't be a problem. If you're in work, you get yourself a better job. If you aren't in work for whatever reason, you switch off the heating. Haven't you plebs heard of hoosecoats? As the great Suella says, the British have had it too easy and have been mollycoddled by the state.

How to win friends and influence people:


https://youtu.be/-i8vLXXd9z8They're only interested in their hard core loyalists, openly mocking the rest of the country. Feels like this is a see who can cause the biggest smirking round the Nasty party table event while they pick over what's left for the next couple of years.

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[hibsbollah]

The best thing to come out of the Tory Party Conference was the Greenpeace demo and the ejection of the two representatives.

Now, I’m aware Greenpeace and the environmental movement is not all that popular with the majority on this board. There is an image problem, problems with engaging with different ages, social classes, being perceived as a bit hippy and middle class.

But the main message that they gave out which is NOT being talked about enough in the media is No one Voted For This. There is a democratic deficit in the UK. There is a huge gulf between the policies that got Boris a 85 seat majority in 2019 and what Truss is proposing now. There is a lot of mealy mouthed debate from economists about pros and cons and the markets but that’s not the important political issue of this time. What those two women have done is remind everyone that this is an Illegitimate Government. And direct action is justified just as is in any illegitimate regime.

[Hibernia&Alba]

They're only interested in their hard core loyalists, openly mocking the rest of the country. Feels like this is a see who can cause the biggest smirking round the Nasty party table event while they pick over what's left for the next couple of years.

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As grunt said, it's a naked smash and grab now. Pilfer the public purse for themselves and their donors, and run public services into the ground, leaving as big a mess as possible for next government. If public services are left irreparably damaged, it's job done. They know they will probably be out of office for a long time, so they must make hay whilst the sun is still shining.

[Jones28]

Imagine being called too right wing by dorries

The Telegraph
@Telegraph
7 minutes ago
Tory chairman rejects Nadine Dorries's claim party is 'lurching to the right'
Jake Berry has rejected claims from Nadine Dorries that Liz Truss's Government is "lurching to the right" and is facing a potential "wipeout" at the next general election.

The chairman of the Conservative Party said that Ms Dorries, the former culture secretary, and other Tory MPs should "look really carefully" at the speech made by the Prime Minister in Birmingham yesterday

**** me, things are going really pear shaped if Dorries is actually right about something for once.

[Kato]

Is it working yet? The new slogan I mean?

Does anyone hate the Anti-Growth Coalition for holding this great back?

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[hibsbollah]

Is it working yet? The new slogan I mean?

Does anyone hate the Anti-Growth Coalition for holding this great back?

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Labours policy is literally, ‘Growth Growth Growth’. All Truss wants to talk about is Growth. But apparently there is an Anti Growth Coalition holding back the UK :faf:

At the same time, what is ACTUALLY holding back growth is skills shortages and energy supply and distribution. The things that will most minimise these problems, allowing immigrants to come back to the economy and massive investment in renewables, is off the agenda for the next two years. And doing something about the housing market? there’s nothing. We’re ****ed.

[Since90+2]

GP services in Scotland are shocking. Can't speak for England as I've never lived there but my experience here is it's abysmal.

[cabbageandribs1875]

GP services in Scotland are shocking. Can't speak for England as I've never lived there but my experience here is it's abysmal.



i have no problem whatsoever with my GP's, and same for all my appointments with the NHS, interesting

[Bostonhibby]

GP services in Scotland are shocking. Can't speak for England as I've never lived there but my experience here is it's abysmal.Shambolic in my part of engerlund, it's rare to find anyone who has had a good service, nothing seems to work, most services are "hands off" telephone appointment based and appointments are booked solid for weeks, online appointments come on at 8am and disappear within 5 minutes.
Surgery secretaries fall back position is often to tell patients to go to A&E.

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[wookie70]

GP services in Scotland are shocking. Can't speak for England as I've never lived there but my experience here is it's abysmal. I have never had an issue getting appointments or prescriptions.

[Stairway 2 7]

Mines is awful, seems stuck in a different era. Phone bang on 8am you are 40th in the queue, get through and usually all gone so try again tomorrow.

It won't work for many symptoms and better for younger people, but it would be good if there was a big squad of gps that could do video calls. I'm sure most cases could be sorted like that. Obviously you should have the option of face to face still

[Hibernia&Alba]

"I would love to have to have a front page of The Telegraph, with a plane taking off to Rwanda. That's my dream, that's my obsession."
Suella Braverman, British Home Secretary, daughter of immigrants from Kenya.


https://youtu.be/Ua5UCEU06hc

[Kato]

Like their close Unionist chums the Rangers, inclusivity is something that is clearly superficial.

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1577670363739299840?t=wYbYWZEwBhrjBV1ciK5z1Q&s=19

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[Since90+2]

I have never had an issue getting appointments or prescriptions.

My previous GM pre booked appointments were atleast a 3 week wait otherwise you had to phone at 8am for a same day appointment. Literally done that for 7 days and could never get an appointment, ended up going to A and E.

In a country that we live in it really shouldn't be a complete lottery whether you get to see a GP or not, or have to wait the best part of a month to see one.

[hibsbollah]

My previous GM pre booked appointments were atleast a 3 week wait otherwise you had to phone at 8am for a same day appointment. Literally done that for 7 days and could never get an appointment, ended up going to A and E.

In a country that we live in it really shouldn't be a complete lottery whether you get to see a GP or not, or have to wait the best part of a month to see one.

I’m not saying it’s acceptable by any means, but my Edinburgh surgery was the same, phone at 8am for appointments and try again at 12 for cancellations. And you just get used to it, set an alarm for 8am and stay on the phone till you get through. It worked, I didn’t even bother trying for pre booked appointments.

[cabbageandribs1875]

"I would love to have to have a front page of The Telegraph, with a plane taking off to Rwanda. That's my dream, that's my obsession."
Suella Braverman, British Home Secretary, daughter of immigrants from Kenya.




i only watched the first two rounds of the Tory hustings things recently for a new PM but by half way through the 2nd one i had already worked out that Cruella Braverman was/is one vile nasty human being, she's in the right political party for it, 'the best political party in the world' said Liz O'Leary

[Hibernia&Alba]

Like their close Unionist chums the Rangers, inclusivity is something that is clearly superficial.

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1577670363739299840?t=wYbYWZEwBhrjBV1ciK5z1Q&s=19

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Anyone, everyone.....:cb

[Jack]

I used to work with the Scottish Government dealing with policy in primary care, mostly GP practices.

I think its fair to say there are good and not so good practices all over Scotland and the rest of the UK.

One thing I would say is, in my time, all nations worked very hard to introduce access to a GP within 48 hours. All but very few achieved this in Scotland.

The English now introducing an "expectation" that you will see your GP in two weeks, unless it's urgent, is an indication of how far standards have fallen in England. With payments to GP practices based on performance I can't help but think the creeping privatisation of primary care down there is behind this.

[Ozyhibby]

I used to work with the Scottish Government dealing with policy in primary care, mostly GP practices.

I think its fair to say there are good and not so good practices all over Scotland and the rest of the UK.

One thing I would say is, in my time, all nations worked very hard to introduce access to a GP within 48 hours. All but very few achieved this in Scotland.

The English now introducing an "expectation" that you will see your GP in two weeks, unless it's urgent, is an indication of how far standards have fallen in England. With payments to GP practices based on performance I can't help but think the creeping privatisation of primary care down there is behind this.

It does seem to vary right enough. I live in Corstorphine and there are two GP practices in the same building. Anecdotally, when I hear chat about either, it’s that Ladywell East is a lot better than Ladywell west.


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[JimBHibees]

i have no problem whatsoever with my GP's, and same for all my appointments with the NHS, interesting

That is my experience however am aware of areas where the service is poor. Think very much dependent on practice you are in.

[neil7908]

That is my experience however am aware of areas where the service is poor. Think very much dependent on practice you are in.

In East Lothian and called my new GP for an appointment to be told its a 3 week wait. Can't get a dentist either.

[wookie70]

I’m not saying it’s acceptable by any means, but my Edinburgh surgery was the same, phone at 8am for appointments and try again at 12 for cancellations. And you just get used to it, set an alarm for 8am and stay on the phone till you get through. It worked, I didn’t even bother trying for pre booked appointments. Ours is digitised so you get call backs and an appointment if needed. Work very well if you are savvy enough with the internet and there is a phone option too.

[grunt]

At least £300 billion has been wiped from the combined value of UK stock and bond markets since Liz Truss became prime minister.

https://t.co/Vzf2maEi2I

[Bostonhibby]

At least £300 billion has been wiped from the combined value of UK stock and bond markets since Liz Truss became prime minister.

https://t.co/Vzf2maEi2I
That's world beating, and maybe even Anti Growth. Like Auntie Growth was telling us all about only recently.



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[degenerated]

Douglas Ross won't say if he thinks benefits should rise in line with inflation.Douglas Ross hasn't been told what he thinks yet. 26214

[degenerated]

I have never had an issue getting appointments or prescriptions.Same here, no problem at all. Even during the height of Covid pandemic when I knackered my knee I was able to see the doctor without any issues.

[Kato]

At least £300 billion has been wiped from the combined value of UK stock and bond markets since Liz Truss became prime minister.

https://t.co/Vzf2maEi2I
World beating.

The tone that seems to emerging that when pushing for growth the elephant in the room is that brexit thing they all love.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

That is my experience however am aware of areas where the service is poor. Think very much dependent on practice you are in.


yep a certainty, i just had to say of my experiences especially when someone says "GP services in Scotland are shocking" indicating everywhere which is simply not the case :agree:

[Keith_M]

You can no longer phone my local GP, you have to go online and put a request in for a call by filling in a form. Their website is open from 8-11 AM, though it's often (for no obvious reason), switched off earlier.

If there's something serious, and you need to get a hospital checkup to get more details, the whole process is often so disjointed, with one party often not knowing why the other sent you and resulting in a breakdown in a communication.

My wife got so p1ssed off with the whole process, going round in circles for around 18 months, that she went to Germany to get treatment and paid for it privately.

I'm fully behind the concept of the NHS, and totally opposed to selling it off to private health companies, but there are a lot of issues that need to be recognised and addressed.

[Jack]

I would urge people who are not satisfied with their GP practice to complain. You start this off by speaking/writing to the practice manager. If you are still not happy take your complaint to the local health board.

It's all very well whinging on here but that won't actually change anything 😉

The alternative, where its possible, is changing your GP practice. I'd ask that you go down the complaint route first so that issues are highlighted and hopefully fixed for everyone's benefit.

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1577952520865021952?t=Prgd7anqCCoqtM28EO_RfQ&s=19

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[Stairway 2 7]

I would urge people who are not satisfied with their GP practice to complain. You start this off by speaking/writing to the practice manager. If you are still not happy take your complaint to the local health board.

It's all very well whinging on here but that won't actually change anything 😉

The alternative, where its possible, is changing your GP practice. I'd ask that you go down the complaint route first so that issues are highlighted and hopefully fixed for everyone's benefit.

My mates the practice manager and she's toiling she says, more expected but every year. I wouldn't complain to her even if she wasn't a friend though, they know what the problems are. The system needs modernised, can't be phoning inat 8am in an Internet age.

There just isn't enough GPS in areas where populations are exploding also

[Jack]

My mates the practice manager and she's toiling she says, more expected but every year. I wouldn't complain to her even if she wasn't a friend though, they know what the problems are. The system needs modernised, can't be phoning inat 8am in an Internet age.

There just isn't enough GPS in areas where populations are exploding also

If they know where the problems are and they're not getting fixed they are part of the problem! The more they agitate for change the more likely the Scottish Government will come up with funds to facilitate change.

[Stairway 2 7]

If they know where the problems are and they're not getting fixed they are part of the problem! The more they agitate for change the more likely the Scottish Government will come up with funds to facilitate change.

She's stressed out her mind. The problem she says is underfunding and more and more patients due to housing developments. Easy for you to say she's part of the problem , but I know she works her arse off and has been banging her head of a wall for a decade..

[Jack]

She's stressed out her mind. The problem she says is underfunding and more and more patients due to housing developments. Easy for you to say she's part of the problem , but I know she works her arse off and has been banging her head of a wall for a decade..

I didn't say she wasn't or doesn't.

The more people complain to your friend
The more people complain to the health board, public and practice
The more people complain to the Scottish Government, mostly public but primary care through their systems.

The more likely the problem will be dealt with.

[Kato]

Comments from a Tory Party member. 56 years he's lasted as a member but given his views he is with the wrong bunch. The party he wants ceased to be in the late 60's.

https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1578077730238873608?t=KxSCseqtbL3fdWd8UtSo3g&s=19

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[Stairway 2 7]

I didn't say she wasn't or doesn't.

The more people complain to your friend
The more people complain to the health board, public and practice
The more people complain to the Scottish Government, mostly public but primary care through their systems.

The more likely the problem will be dealt with.

You said if they aren't getting fixed then they are part of the problem. They aren't getting fixed but I don't think she'd part of the problem. She's constantly on Facebook complaining about it, which I think to me seems a bit dodgy and dangerous.

[Stairway 2 7]

Comments from a Tory Party member. 56 years he's lasted as a member but given his views he is with the wrong bunch. The party he wants ceased to be in the late 60's.

https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1578077730238873608?t=KxSCseqtbL3fdWd8UtSo3g&s=19

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How's he been a member and campaigning this long. Did Thatcher not make him think, maybe we are the bad guys

[hibsbollah]

I got this email this morning. I found it very interesting.
The RSPB have never been a 'campaigning' organisation, tend to be apolitical. Lots of wealthy Tory members.
But they've clearly been shocked at some of the Government's proposals and verbal attacks against the 'anti growth coalition'. When you get establishment bodies like the RSPB and the National Trust calling them out you know things have changed.

The UK Government has launched an unprecedented attack on nature and we urgently need your help to stop it.Hello

Today, Scotland's nature urgently needs your help. The UK Government is threatening to tear up the laws that protect our best wildlife sites, and intends to create Investment Zones in Scotland where key protections for wildlife could be removed or weakened. UK Ministers are also proposing to fast-track infrastructure projects such as offshore windfarms and new and redeveloped oil and gas fields in the North Sea. Without proper scrutiny such developments could be catastrophic for our wildlife, particularly Scotland’s already struggling seabirds.

We cannot stand by and let this happen. Our nature and climate are in crisis. We need to see more support for nature, not less. We need to let our politicians know that this matters.

Will you stand with us? Please take our quick and easy action and contact your MP today.

Thank you for your support,

Jason
[email protected]

[Kato]

How's he been a member and campaigning this long. Did Thatcher not make him think, maybe we are the bad guysBizarre as he seems sound enough. "Social justice" as an aim for the Tories stopped being a thing with Ted Heath.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Comments from a Tory Party member. 56 years he's lasted as a member but given his views he is with the wrong bunch. The party he wants ceased to be in the late 60's.

https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1578077730238873608?t=KxSCseqtbL3fdWd8UtSo3g&s=19

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I saw the full interview. The guy is a Catholic priest. Like you say, how come it's taken him so long to realise that he might be in the wrong party? He stuck it out through Thatcher! :confused:

[grunt]

Article in The Sun (I won't link to it)


Tory MP Conor Burns has whip suspended following ‘complaints about his behaviour’ at party conference

[hibee]

I would urge people who are not satisfied with their GP practice to complain. You start this off by speaking/writing to the practice manager. If you are still not happy take your complaint to the local health board.

It's all very well whinging on here but that won't actually change anything 😉

The alternative, where its possible, is changing your GP practice. I'd ask that you go down the complaint route first so that issues are highlighted and hopefully fixed for everyone's benefit.

Patients at my surgery tried that, the response was to remove the complaint option from the website and only take complaint in writing!

We’ve just had an external report done which confirms that we have the worst gp access in Scotland.

There’s a table in the report that shows access positivity over the larger gp surgeries in Scotland.

26219

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[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/singharj/status/1578395615054237700

Arj Singh
@singharj
Exc: Senior Tories plot to install Rishi Sunak as caretaker PM to prevent election meltdown

https://t.co/Ph971uKXDi

[grunt]

Exc: Senior Tories plot to install Rishi Sunak as caretaker PM to prevent election meltdown

As much as I hate them, it pleases me to see them fight like cats in a sack.

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1578411437894299648?s=20&t=jY_LVNomB7OhgwG3DKKGeA


So far in this parliament 16 MPs have been suspended from the House or have resigned their seat for various misdemeanours. At least five more are under investigation. This is completely unprecedented. No parliament has ever seen this before. And we’ve two years to go.

[Kato]

https://mobile.twitter.com/singharj/status/1578395615054237700

Arj Singh
@singharj
Exc: Senior Tories plot to install Rishi Sunak as caretaker PM to prevent election meltdown

https://t.co/Ph971uKXDiPretty glad it's not chaos with Ed Miliband, though.

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[Kato]

As much as I hate them, it pleases me to see them fight like cats in a sack.We were discussing the chances of fisticuffs in the house at work today.

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[Kato]

Truss promising to "get through winter", which is reassuring.

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[degenerated]

Truss promising to "get through winter", which is reassuring.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkI'm sure another trusster***** will be along shortly .

[Bostonhibby]

Truss promising to "get through winter", which is reassuring.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkI remember when Bozo promised a grateful nation we could "have" christmas. He was having Partygate the whole time.

Happy days, true leadership.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

another Tory sleazebag kicked out kicked out

for now anyway, imagine getting sacked from this Tory Government lol


Tory minister sacked over ‘inappropriate behaviour’ at party conference | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conor-burns-tory-minister-sacked-conference-b2197962.html)

A government minister has been sacked after allegations of “inappropriate behaviour” at the Conservative Party conference (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/conservative-conference) this week.
Conor Burns (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/conor-burns), a trade minister, first had the whip removed by the party – and, within minutes, No 10 announced he had been told to “leave the government with immediate effect”.

The MP for Bournemouth West, who was a very close ally of Boris Johnson (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/boris-johnson) during his time in Downing Street, said he looked “forward to clearing my name”.

[grunt]

Exclusive: Govt has scrapped offer of free train travel for military to attend remembrance services this November.It was seen as “too great a loss to the taxpayer”But ministers said not to have signed off on decision and are urgently reviewing it

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/07/free-train-travel-for-military-to-attend-remembrance-services-scrapped?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Stairway 2 7]

Exclusive: Govt has scrapped offer of free train travel for military to attend remembrance services this November.It was seen as “too great a loss to the taxpayer”But ministers said not to have signed off on decision and are urgently reviewing it

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/07/free-train-travel-for-military-to-attend-remembrance-services-scrapped?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Hardly a priority in the budget, surely there's a local one they can go to as they are everywhere.

[grunt]

Hardly a priority in the budget, surely there's a local one they can go to as they are everywhere.
It was promised, and paid for in 2019 and 2021. It is pennies in the overall scheme of things. Considering they just spaffed £65billion on their mini budget. And countless other billions on PPE contracts for their friends. Please do not make excuses for this criminal Government.

[wookie70]

Exclusive: Govt has scrapped offer of free train travel for military to attend remembrance services this November.It was seen as “too great a loss to the taxpayer”But ministers said not to have signed off on decision and are urgently reviewing it

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/07/free-train-travel-for-military-to-attend-remembrance-services-scrapped?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


They might actually make a good decision for a change.

[Stairway 2 7]

It was promised, and paid for in 2019 and 2021. It is pennies in the overall scheme of things. Considering they just spaffed £65billion on their mini budget. And countless other billions on PPE contracts for their friends. Please do not make excuses for this criminal Government.

Who's making excuses for them, I've put up 50 points criticising them in the last month. I agree with cancelling this policy. Paid soldiers shouldn't be getting free transport paid when people can't feed themselves. We all should cut down our co2, so they could find a local event

[Hibernia&Alba]

another Tory sleazebag kicked out kicked out

for now anyway, imagine getting sacked from this Tory Government lol


Tory minister sacked over ‘inappropriate behaviour’ at party conference | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conor-burns-tory-minister-sacked-conference-b2197962.html)

A government minister has been sacked after allegations of “inappropriate behaviour” at the Conservative Party conference (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/conservative-conference) this week.
Conor Burns (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/conor-burns), a trade minister, first had the whip removed by the party – and, within minutes, No 10 announced he had been told to “leave the government with immediate effect”.

The MP for Bournemouth West, who was a very close ally of Boris Johnson (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/boris-johnson) during his time in Downing Street, said he looked “forward to clearing my name”.

Oh, but surely everyone knows Burns is 'handsy'. :rolleyes:

[grunt]

Who's making excuses for them, I've put up 50 points criticising them in the last month. I agree with cancelling this policy. Paid soldiers shouldn't be getting free transport paid when people can't feed themselves. We all should cut down our co2, so they could find a local event

[emoji23]

[Stairway 2 7]

[emoji23]

Cracking convo lad. Soldiers already get discounted seats, tax payer shouldn't be paying free trips imo

[Hibernia&Alba]

I think Andrew Marr is spot on here; it's what I have been arguing. For some on the right Brexit was only the means to an end; that end being a race-to-the-bottom version of extreme free market capitalism. It's a very different reason from the Red Wall voters who voted for Brexit, but now the Milton Friedman set are in control, trickledown economics is back, and the party is split by its current direction.


https://youtu.be/v3Mo0yKCVww

[grunt]

Cracking convo lad. Soldiers already get discounted seats, tax payer shouldn't be paying free trips imo

Pennies.

[Stairway 2 7]

Pennies.

How much of tax payers money is it, do you know. Union Jack poppy ****gers will be appalled

[cabbageandribs1875]

another 25 pigs get their snouts at the trough Fifteen new Tory peers set to be appointed from list drawn up by Boris Johnson (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/fifteen-new-tory-peers-set-to-be-appointed-from-list-drawn-up-by-boris-johnson/ar-AA12HPEf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f90b8977738746ba9851ad63cd405994)

[ronaldo7]

another 25 pigs get their snouts at the trough Fifteen new Tory peers set to be appointed from list drawn up by Boris Johnson (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/fifteen-new-tory-peers-set-to-be-appointed-from-list-drawn-up-by-boris-johnson/ar-AA12HPEf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f90b8977738746ba9851ad63cd405994)

What's more disgusting is the ex labour MPs, and trades unionists taking a seat in there. Whatever happened to that pledge to abolish the place.

[Just_Jimmy]

I used to work with the Scottish Government dealing with policy in primary care, mostly GP practices.

I think its fair to say there are good and not so good practices all over Scotland and the rest of the UK.

One thing I would say is, in my time, all nations worked very hard to introduce access to a GP within 48 hours. All but very few achieved this in Scotland.

The English now introducing an "expectation" that you will see your GP in two weeks, unless it's urgent, is an indication of how far standards have fallen in England. With payments to GP practices based on performance I can't help but think the creeping privatisation of primary care down there is behind this.Never had an issue with my GP in 5 years in Manchester.

Phone at 8, get an appointment. No appointments, they call you back and they'll squeeze you in if they need to see you.

Fill in a detailed online form and they triage it and phone or message you with an appointment time.

Links with nominated pharmacy so medication set up to be collected without going to GP etc

I can only speak for mine, but and I'm not a sickly person or someone who phones the gp for a cold etc but I'm more than happy with how it works.

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[Hibrandenburg]

Cracking convo lad. Soldiers already get discounted seats, tax payer shouldn't be paying free trips imo

Soldiers are often stationed a long way from their family and friends, giving them discounted seats is the least their employer can do to rectify that. Most companies provide travel expenses for their employees so why shouldn't the MOD?

[JimBHibees]

I think Andrew Marr is spot on here; it's what I have been arguing. For some on the right Brexit was only the means to an end; that end being a race-to-the-bottom version of extreme free market capitalism. It's a very different reason from the Red Wall voters who voted for Brexit, but now the Milton Friedman set are in control, trickledown economics is back, and the party is split by its current direction.


https://youtu.be/v3Mo0yKCVww

Marr now querying Brexit pity he hadn't done that when at BBC

[Stairway 2 7]

Soldiers are often stationed a long way from their family and friends, giving them discounted seats is the least their employer can do to rectify that. Most companies provide travel expenses for their employees so why shouldn't the MOD?

The do get discounted seats already that's not changing. This is above that and it's not from mod budget, it's from the transport budget to get free seats. There is going to be lots of cuts, this is one I feel justified and the tax payer shouldn't be paying.

[Steven79]

Cracking convo lad. Soldiers already get discounted seats, tax payer shouldn't be paying free trips imoI agree but surely they are more deserving than MP'S and Royalty?

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[Kato]

What a thicko.

https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1577975116327227392?t=XzoJ5-g0LmXYCFMN0etasw&s=19

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[Stairway 2 7]

I agree but surely they are more deserving than MP'S and Royalty?

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Goes without saying.

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/lara_spirit/status/1578672330129055745?t=vrsoHt7H7alWQu0TPZeoxA&s=08

Be interesting to see what Charlie does, maintains the "integrity" of the monarchy or helps Dim Lizzie manipulate a deferral of a series of inconvenient by-elections?

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[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/willstewartnews/status/1579046528781803521

William Stewart
@willstewartnews
“We need a ‘gang of four’ or five to go in and tell
@trussliz
the game is up. Wallace, Rishi, Penny, Cleverly, can say ‘look, this way you can go with dignity’.” More Tory regicide being plotted. Another compelling iweekend
@theipaper
politics long read

[ronaldo7]

I detest the Tories, and everything they stand for.

Nothing controversial about that is there.

[grunt]

I detest the Tories, and everything they stand for.
#MeToo

[Kato]

I detest the Tories, and everything they stand for.

Nothing controversial about that is there.You can question Sturgeons rhetoric though. It beggers the question what is there not to detest about the Tory Party?

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[Bostonhibby]

You can question Sturgeons rhetoric though. It beggers the question what is there not to detest about the Tory Party?

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkI'm not a great fan of Sturgeon, but I found Braverman's rhetoric last week far more disturbing/sinister.

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[grunt]

The gloves are coming off in the independence debate. The Tories are at an all time low, so we need to start taking the fight to them.
The Tories will fight very dirty.

And let's face it, Nicola is right. The Tories are detestable. Someone had to say it, and she has enough political clout to both make the point and survive the Tory media backlash.

[ronaldo7]

If anything, it's got conference front and centre. 😂

[Ozyhibby]

NS saying she detests the Tories might not be the crushing blow to her in Scotland that the BBC seem to think it is.[emoji849]


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[Stairway 2 7]

She's quite right

[ronaldo7]

NS saying she detests the Tories might not be the crushing blow to her in Scotland that the BBC seem to think it is.[emoji849]


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Detesting tory values seems to be a thing in Scotland. It's currently trending.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/310698914_435581715345725_6221984030301878311_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=n2Xj6oHDH0oAX_p9Zkc&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-FyPNes3iTxKnU-rOBLqM9lXWT8cbodWgCVM3z_qJaYQ&oe=6348A471

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm not a great fan of Sturgeon, but I found Braverman's rhetoric last week far more disturbing/sinister.

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Rest of the world.... cannabis is an appropriate treatment for the relief of many conditions.

Braverman.... it's like heroin.

[Skol]

Much as I dislike a lot about the tories, especially the current lot and the lot before, I don’t think that kind of language is helpful. I said the same when rayner made her comments.

[grunt]

Much as I dislike a lot about the tories, especially the current lot and the lot before, I don’t think that kind of language is helpful. I said the same when rayner made her comments.

I hear you. I'm quiet, I have no wish to antagonise or upset people.
But there comes a time when not speaking out is itself an injustice.
There comes a time when you have to say the truth as you see it, and call people out for how they act.

The Tories who are driving this country into the ground for the benefit of themselves and their rich friends, to the detriment of those who are least well off, to the detriment of the poor, the disabled and those in need, are indeed ****.

They are detestable and we should stand up and say so...

[ronaldo7]

Much as I dislike a lot about the tories, especially the current lot and the lot before, I don’t think that kind of language is helpful. I said the same when rayner made her comments.

I detest the Tories and everything they stand for. Nicola sturgeon.

We cannot get any worse than a bunch of ****, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute vile … banana republic, vile, nasty, Etonian … piece of ****,” she said at the event, before adding that she had “held back a little” Angela Raynor

I hate the SNP. I hate the SNP. Emily Thornbury.

Meanwhile the Tory policies are killing thousands.

[Skol]

It still doesn’t make those comments right and risk bringing about some unintended consequences

Re the policies leading to deaths, aside from covid do you have any evidence of this ?

[Rumble de Thump]

I think the Tories being detestable is much worse than acknowledging they are detestable.

[ronaldo7]

It still doesn’t make those comments right and risk bringing about some unintended consequences

Re the policies leading to deaths, aside from covid do you have any evidence of this ?

More than 130,000 deaths in the UK since 2012 could have been prevented if improvements in public health policy had not stalled as a direct result of austerity cuts, according to a hard-hitting analysis to be published this week.

The study by the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) thinktank finds that, after two decades in which preventable diseases were reduced as a result of spending on better education and prevention, there has been a seven-year “perfect storm” in which state provision has been pared back because of budget cuts, while harmful behaviours among people of all ages have increased.

[grunt]

Re the policies leading to deaths, aside from covid do you have any evidence of this ?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/over-330000-excess-deaths-in-great-britain-linked-to-austerity-finds-study


Over 330,000 excess deaths in Great Britain linked to austerity, finds study

[Skol]

More than 130,000 deaths in the UK since 2012 could have been prevented if improvements in public health policy had not stalled as a direct result of austerity cuts, according to a hard-hitting analysis to be published this week.

The study by the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) thinktank finds that, after two decades in which preventable diseases were reduced as a result of spending on better education and prevention, there has been a seven-year “perfect storm” in which state provision has been pared back because of budget cuts, while harmful behaviours among people of all ages have increased.

Will be interesting to read it when published.

[ronaldo7]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/over-330000-excess-deaths-in-great-britain-linked-to-austerity-finds-study

Thanks. Just found that one too. 👍

[cabbageandribs1875]

well said hen :agree: (2) Angry Scotland Podcast on Twitter: "Superb timing on the “No” from Nicola here. Magic. https://t.co/6xqdDD66IY" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/AngryScotland/status/1579138212060020737?fbclid=IwAR0eH6QCiRGWBXVSJfUmv WWWx6GvzDGQGnig2y5RE0ho1O1iGxN-XcjnAJE)

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1579045224487084033?s=46&t=WgYoYCwEENeTL1JllJTc1g

Grant Shapps for PM.


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[Sylar]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1579045224487084033?s=46&t=WgYoYCwEENeTL1JllJTc1g

Grant Shapps for PM.


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Jesus ****ing Christ.

[Smartie]

Jesus ****ing Christ.

We can’t be far off finding out what the bottom of that barrel feels like.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1579045224487084033?s=46&t=WgYoYCwEENeTL1JllJTc1g

Grant Shapps for PM.


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:hmmm:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Monbiot is spot on especially the privatisation of the NHS :agree: EXPOSED: Liz Truss, Kwasi Kwarteng & The Dark Money Oligarchs | George Monbiot (doubledown.news) (https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2022/october/4/exposed-liz-truss-kwasi-kwarteng-the-dark-money-oligarchs-george-monbiot) he does do some great vids

[SHODAN]

The freedom of speech brigade are out in force again bleating that the one thing you can't freedom of speechly say is how much you don't like people that commit social murder.

[cabbageandribs1875]

possibly another Truss u-turn Tories to order Liz Truss to ditch 'ludicrous' benefit cuts in Cabinet showdown (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tories-to-order-liz-truss-to-ditch-ludicrous-benefit-cuts-in-cabinet-showdown/ar-AA12LIs4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3895f59f6ece4071a8e30c5ca28d4e0b) what a shame, she just wants to prove to the ERG/Tory Donors she can be the nastiest

[Glory Lurker]

I detest the Tories.

[cabbageandribs1875]

took the Home Office seven months to report this Home Office reprimanded after sensitive counter-terror documents left at venue | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-office-ico-suella-braverman-john-edwards-metropolitan-police-b2198026.html)

The Home Office (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/home-office) has been reprimanded by a watchdog after sensitive counter-terrorism documents were left at a London venue.


The investigation also concluded the Home Office did not have a proper process for signing out documents from its offices and should have reported the incident to the ICO (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/ico) within a 72-hour time limit.
In a letter to Home Office permanent secretary Matthew Rycroft, the ICO said the breach was not reported by the department until April 4 this year even though its staff had been informed the day after the incident.
An envelope containing four documents classified as “official sensitive” was found at the venue by staff on September 5 2021.

[Moulin Yarns]

I love the fact that #detesttoryvalues is trending on twitter.

[heretoday]

Lots of Tories are nice people. It's the current shower in No 10 who are detestable.
They won't be there for ever. No need to pull up the drawbridge.

[Stairway 2 7]

The horrors in downing Street are going to announce their financial plans on Halloween. What could go wrong, absolute Zombies

[wookie70]

I had to Google whether detest was greater than hate. As it is I detest the Tories too and I would go further than teh first minister and say I detest Tory voters who vote for them knowing what it will do to fellow citizens.

[Kato]

Lots of Tories are nice people. It's the current shower in No 10 who are detestable.
They won't be there for ever. No need to pull up the drawbridge.It is a weird one. What is it that "nice Tory voters" imagine they are voting for? Do they live in complete seclusion between elections? What is better about the country once Tory policies are implemented that sees them want to vote for them again?

It's actually beyond me to comprehend the mindset.

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[JeMeSouviens]

If you've watched Braverman's interview from Tory conference or Lee Anderson's latest drivel or Johnson doing or saying just about anything and you *don't* detest these people, then there's something wrong with you, imo.

[hibsbollah]

It is a weird one. What is it that "nice Tory voters" imagine they are voting for? Do they live in complete seclusion between elections? What is better about the country once Tory policies are implemented that sees them want to vote for them again?

It's actually beyond me to comprehend the mindset.

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I don’t understand where the debate is coming from.
You may as well say; ‘why do you hate that guy repeatedly punching you in the face!? How dare you hate him!’
Old Mrs McNab up the road who votes Tory may be very ‘nice’ in lots of senses despite voting Tory (or Ian Murray), but that’s clearly not who’s punching us in the face.

[NYHibby]

took the Home Office seven months to report this Home Office reprimanded after sensitive counter-terror documents left at venue | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-office-ico-suella-braverman-john-edwards-metropolitan-police-b2198026.html)

The Home Office (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/home-office) has been reprimanded by a watchdog after sensitive counter-terrorism documents were left at a London venue.


The investigation also concluded the Home Office did not have a proper process for signing out documents from its offices and should have reported the incident to the ICO (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/ico) within a 72-hour time limit.
In a letter to Home Office permanent secretary Matthew Rycroft, the ICO said the breach was not reported by the department until April 4 this year even though its staff had been informed the day after the incident.
An envelope containing four documents classified as “official sensitive” was found at the venue by staff on September 5 2021.

For people who don’t know, official sensitive are not “classified” documents. You don’t need a security clearance to read them. Calling them sensitive counter terrorism documents is misleading to the public. Official sensitive just means that it would be embarrassing to HMG if you left them laying around. It’s a half step above a list of everyone’s orders for the Christmas lunch.

[JimBHibees]

If you've watched Braverman's interview from Tory conference or Lee Anderson's latest drivel or Johnson doing or saying just about anything and you *don't* detest these people, then there's something wrong with you, imo.

Absolutely

[JeMeSouviens]

STUC@ScottishTUC

"The First Minister is correct: we detest Tory policies too."

Quote from STUC General Secretary, Roz Foyer.

[Kato]

I don’t understand where the debate is coming from.
You may as well say; ‘why do you hate that guy repeatedly punching you in the face!? How dare you hate him!’
Old Mrs McNab up the road who votes Tory may be very ‘nice’ in lots of senses despite voting Tory (or Ian Murray), but that’s clearly not who’s punching us in the face.I was just thinking about heretoday saying there are nice Tory voters. If there is what faculties lead them to do so.

There is the myth that the Tories are "good with the economy" but the fact is they always leave office with the country in more debt and having paid less of the national debt off, which is the opposite of Labour. So maybe they believe that myth.

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[Stairway 2 7]

I was just thinking about heretoday saying there are nice Tory voters. If there is what faculties lead them to do so.

There is the myth that the Tories are "good with the economy" but the fact is they always leave office with the country in more debt and having paid less of the national debt off, which is the opposite of Labour. So maybe they believe that myth.

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I think it might come to a few groups of tory voters. The ones like you mentioned above I'd say we're being duped. They believe what the well oiled machine tells them, labour gives your money to people who don't want to work, tories are stable and other such nonsense.

I think others do it for self preservation. They might have high paying jobs and feel they pay enough ect.

I disagree with both totally, but I can understand it unfortunately

[hibsbollah]

I was just thinking about heretoday saying there are nice Tory voters. If there is what faculties lead them to do so.

There is the myth that the Tories are "good with the economy" but the fact is they always leave office with the country in more debt and having paid less of the national debt off, which is the opposite of Labour. So maybe they believe that myth.

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Old Mrs McNab up the road votes Tory. She reads The Mail. She is extremely polite and has always been ‘nice’ to me. I just would never engage with her politically. I don’t really want to go down the road of judging individual Tory voters and their morality and motivations ‘lest I be judged myself’ (Perhaps I took in more at RE and school assemblies than I give myself credit for :greengrin ). I just don’t think it’s a very productive road to go down. Especially these days, folk don’t want a genuine debate.

[stu in nottingham]

Old Mrs McNab up the road votes Tory. She reads The Mail. She is extremely polite and has always been ‘nice’ to me. I just would never engage with her politically. I don’t really want to go down the road of judging individual Tory voters and their morality and motivations ‘lest I be judged myself’ (Perhaps I took in more at RE and school assemblies than I give myself credit for :greengrin ). I just don’t think it’s a very productive road to go down. Especially these days, folk don’t want a genuine debate.

Ain't that the truth. Many are so entrenched and polarised in their views these day, enough to make a conversation not worthwhile. Asan example, woman I speak with at the pub quite often, clearly holds views that totally clash with mine regarding politics and the monarchy.

I talk to her about cats.

[Stairway 2 7]

If anyone needs more bad news. Gilts are back to where they were pre intervention. Cost of government borrowing just flew up and they don't trust the government to get a handle on things, I don't blame them

https://mobile.twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/1579479280459091974
@rbrharrison
I'm sorry to report that everyone should be watching the gilt market

[hibsbollah]

Ain't that the truth. Many are so entrenched and polarised in their views these day, enough to make a conversation not worthwhile. Asan example, woman I speak with at the pub quite often, clearly holds views that totally clash with mine regarding politics and the monarchy.

I talk to her about cats.


Gardening also a productive diversionary subject…

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[grunt]

Ok, this is not just the Tories, but still ...


It has cost the public purse £17m to subsidise bars and restaurants in the House of Commons over just three years. No child should go hungry while MPs enjoy cut-price meals.

[Kato]

Ok, this is not just the Tories, but still ...Give them coupons.

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[Ozyhibby]

If anyone needs more bad news. Gilts are back to where they were pre intervention. Cost of government borrowing just flew up and they don't trust the government to get a handle on things, I don't blame them

https://mobile.twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/1579479280459091974
@rbrharrison
I'm sorry to report that everyone should be watching the gilt market

Govt could fix this with a windfall tax on energy companies. The markets want to see the books balanced. That would go a long way to doing that.


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[grunt]

Read this thread ... and weep. The Conservative party in power in Westminster.

https://twitter.com/gemmagould/status/1579387130203500547?s=20&t=hOUnrxDoKfGJf_fd9SeKqw


The Tory Sleazy Party

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/11/kwasi-kwarteng-secret-meetings-with-saudi-oil-firms-revealed-by-foi?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1665468280

I’m sure it was just an admin problem.[emoji849]


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[hibsbollah]

Inevitably there will be ‘tobacco bankrolls Coffey’ headlines but this **** is serious. The Tory front bench is full of cash from fossil firms big pharma and tobacco, making policy on exactly those things.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/oct/11/therese-coffey-to-drop-smoking-action-plan-insiders-say

[Stairway 2 7]

More public money bailing out the failing city. This is a death spiral. Printing money and fueling inflation. There is a disaster brewing

bankofengland
This morning, in line with its financial stability objective, the Bank has announced that it will widen its gilt purchase operations to include index-linked gilts

[Stairway 2 7]

The ifs released its yearly uk budget, its very bad as expected. Good summary on this tweet. Either cancel tax cuts or make crushing budget cuts, what will they choose...

https://mobile.twitter.com/BenZaranko/status/1579716173461344256

[Ozyhibby]

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27% cut to the education budget? That means we’ll face the exact same.[emoji35]


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[James310]

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27% cut to the education budget? That means we’ll face the exact same.[emoji35]


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Haven't the SNP already cut the education budget without any cuts to the devolved settlement?

It was part of the £500M savings they had to make. It doesn't help when you make spending promises that people warned were not sustainable.

https://ifs.org.uk/news/scottish-government-funding-person-over-30-higher-equivalent-english-funding-it-has-still


"Scottish Government funding per person is over 30% higher than equivalent English funding. But it has still chosen to use temporary COVID funding to pay for some new permanent spending commitments."

Seems bad management to use temporary COVID funding to promise new permanent spending commitments. But nobody in the SNP would want to talk about that.

[Callum_62]

Haven't the SNP already cut the education budget without any cuts to the devolved settlement?

It was part of the £500M savings they had to make. It doesn't help when you make spending promises that people warned were not sustainable.

https://ifs.org.uk/news/scottish-government-funding-person-over-30-higher-equivalent-english-funding-it-has-still


"Scottish Government funding per person is over 30% higher than equivalent English funding. But it has still chosen to use temporary COVID funding to pay for some new permanent spending commitments."

Seems bad management to use temporary COVID funding to promise new permanent spending commitments. But nobody in the SNP would want to talk about that.Yeah, that's the real story here

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[James310]

Yeah, that's the real story here

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I should have posted it on the SNP thread.

[grunt]

It was part of the £500M savings they had to make.


First sentence: "Real-terms funding for the Scottish Government’s day-to-day (or resource) spending in 2021-22 is still set to be 2% lower per person than in 2010-11"

This is why we need independence. Thanks for highlighting the desperate fiscal mismanagement from 12 years of Tory Government.

[James310]

This is why we need independence. Thanks for highlighting the desperate fiscal mismanagement from 12 years of Tory Government.

Looks like both governments are as bad as each other, time for a change for both.

Also if you think Independence means more money then I would love to see that plan.

[grunt]

"Both Governments as bad as each other ..."

From today's Bank of England report. Read the piece highlighted. This is ENTIRELY due to the the Tory Government's action last month.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1579775108583133184?s=20&t=qinibfpZGr63wxW7EooCVg

[grunt]

Also if you think Independence means more money then I would love to see that plan.You need to stop talking Scotland down and believe more.

[McSwanky]

Looks like both governments are as bad as each other, time for a change for both.

Also if you think Independence means more money then I would love to see that plan.

I don't think you're getting rid of the SNP any time soon with the **** show going on down south, maybe Scottish Independence is your best bet for getting a new governing party up here :greengrin

[James310]

You need to stop talking Scotland down and believe more.

Nigel Farage used to say the same about Britain, believe in Britain and all that. Stop talking Britain down.

The SNP aren't Scotland though. If you are critical of the SNP that's not talking Scotland down.

[James310]

I don't think you're getting rid of the SNP any time soon with the **** show going on down south, maybe Scottish Independence is your best bet for getting a new governing party up here :greengrin

For the immediate future you are probably right.

[grunt]

The SNP aren't Scotland though. If you are critical of the SNP that's not talking Scotland down.
You seem to be critical of a Scottish Government policy.

[James310]

You seem to be critical of a Scottish Government policy.

Is that not allowed? It's framed like being critical of a government is a bad thing. Anyway being critical of a government is different to talking Scotland itself down.

The country is not the government, the government is not the party.

[Moulin Yarns]

Yeah, that's the real story here

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It's also 18 months old!

[Ozyhibby]

Looks like both governments are as bad as each other, time for a change for both.

Also if you think Independence means more money then I would love to see that plan.

‘Both as bad as each other’ ? [emoji102]


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[Kato]

Nigel Farage used to say the same about Britain, believe in Britain and all that. Stop talking Britain down.

The SNP aren't Scotland though. If you are critical of the SNP that's not talking Scotland down.That's not all Farage said though was it? He accompanied his "believe in Britain" comments with a constant stream of hatred, racism and gaslighting.

Poor comparison.

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[JimBHibees]

Is that not allowed? It's framed like being critical of a government is a bad thing. Anyway being critical of a government is different to talking Scotland itself down.

The country is not the government, the government is not the party.

Do you ever criticise the UK government? Apologies if you do however you do seem a bit adamant

[James310]

Do you ever criticise the UK government? Apologies if you do however you do seem a bit adamant

Where would I start, the current UK Government are a shambles and they should all resign immediately and we should have a General Election.

[Stairway 2 7]

Imf announces uk will have the highest growth in the g7 in 2022 at 3.6%. It will drop to 0.3% growth next year. Germany and Italy expected to drop into recession next year.

UK is though going to have highest inflation in g7 topping at 11% this year sitting at 6% next Christmas. This estimate was before mini budget which it estimates will help raise uk gdp

Growth
26230

Inflation
26231

[grunt]

Imf announces ...

IFS: "Overall, we forecast that borrowing this year will be £194 billion, which would be £94 billion higher than the £99 billion forecast in March."

[Stairway 2 7]

Imf announces uk will have the highest growth in the g7 in 2022 at 3.6%. It will drop to 0.3% growth next year. Germany and Italy expected to drop into recession next year.

UK is though going to have highest inflation in g7 topping at 11% this year sitting at 6% next Christmas. This estimate was before mini budget which it estimates will help raise uk gdp

Growth
26230

Inflation
26231

People need to really fight for a wage rise, unionize. Because inflation is going to be horrible. UK will get growth but from a crippling cost of massive cuts from every sector.

I guess things Scholz will have explaining to do, why his economy will do worse than brexit ridden uk and its incompetent government.

[hibsbollah]

I’ve just watched treasury questions. Kwarteng did better than I expected. Has the IMF really come out for his mini budget? That’s the claim that Reeves couldn’t seem to refute.

[Stairway 2 7]

I’ve just watched treasury questions. Kwarteng did better than I expected. Has the IMF really come out for his mini budget? That’s the claim that Reeves couldn’t seem to refute.

Nope they said other nations shouldn't follow the uk. Main take away is world leading inflation

[degenerated]

Quite a thread

https://twitter.com/gemmagould/status/1579387130203500547?t=hha8x-QH35OMZXY03-MyXw&s=19

[Hibrandenburg]

Looks like both governments are as bad as each other, time for a change for both.

Also if you think Independence means more money then I would love to see that plan.

Funniest thing I've read all day. Are you seriously comparing the Scottish Government to this bunch of bandits who are bringing the country to its knees?

Great trolling.

[Kato]

Funniest thing I've read all day. Are you seriously comparing the Scottish Government to this bunch of bandits who are bringing the country to its knees?

Great trolling.It's plainly nonsense, the level of the corruption within the Tory Party is 3rd World stuff.

Rumours from Private Eye that Kwartang has been in the pay of the Odey Hedge fund since he became an MP to the tune of £20,000 a month. That's 12 years. Who exactly is paying him to be Chancelor?

"Nice economy you've got here. Would be a pity if anything happened to it."

BTW "Liz Truss Kwasi Kwarting" was a line Klunk had once in "Stop The Pigeon".

[Kato]

Quite a thread

https://twitter.com/gemmagould/status/1579387130203500547?t=hha8x-QH35OMZXY03-MyXw&s=19Saw it last. Genuinely couldn't make it to the end.

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[Jack]

It's plainly nonsense, the level of the corruption within the Tory Party is 3rd World stuff.

Rumours from Private Eye that Kwartang has been in the pay of the Odey Hedge fund since he became an MP to the tune of £20,000 a month. That's 12 years. Who exactly is paying him to be Chancelor?

"Nice economy you've got here. Would be a pity if anything happened to it."

BTW "Liz Truss Kwasi Kwarting" was a line Klunk had once in "Stop The Pigeon".

Indeed.

Nice money if you can get it - nigh on £100,000 a year more than the Chancellor salary.

I also asked the same of the previous incumbent who was as good as a billionaire.

Are they beholden to HM Government or someone or something else?

[James310]

Funniest thing I've read all day. Are you seriously comparing the Scottish Government to this bunch of bandits who are bringing the country to its knees?

Great trolling.

To be fair the last few weeks have been a new level of incompetence so on reflection no, they are not as bad. Still poor but not as bad as the current incumbents in Westminster at the moment.

[grunt]

To be fair the last few weeks have been a new level of incompetence so on reflection no, they are not as bad. Just so I'm clear, this is you admitting you were wrong? Just for the record, you know.


Still poor but not as bad as the current incumbents in Westminster at the moment.This is the wrong thread for this discussion, but I have to say you don't half talk some rubbish sometimes. Poor by whose standards? Poor compared to which other UK country?

[hibsbollah]

To be fair the last few weeks have been a new level of incompetence so on reflection no, they are not as bad. Still poor but not as bad as the current incumbents in Westminster at the moment.

I think you deserve some credit for that.

[Ozyhibby]

Just so I'm clear, this is you admitting you were wrong? Just for the record, you know.

This is the wrong thread for this discussion, but I have to say you don't half talk some rubbish sometimes. Poor by whose standards? Poor compared to which other UK country?

James himself admits the SNP govt in Scotland is the best in the UK. So fair play to him for that.


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[grunt]

James himself admits the SNP govt in Scotland is the best in the UK. So fair play to him for that.
I apologise. I wasn't aware of that. He's right.

[James310]

James himself admits the SNP govt in Scotland is the best in the UK. So fair play to him for that.


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Did I? Where did I say that?

But I would expect the best funded government to perform the best, if not something would be wrong.

[James310]

Just so I'm clear, this is you admitting you were wrong? Just for the record, you know.

This is the wrong thread for this discussion, but I have to say you don't half talk some rubbish sometimes. Poor by whose standards? Poor compared to which other UK country?

Poor by having the worse A&E waiting times on record, the worst cancer waiting times on record and so on. If that's not poor what is? You think that's good? How would you describe it? Even Nicola Sturgeon admits it is unacceptable.

The argument but they are worse in England doesn't give comfort to those dying. They won't break out in a smile knowing it's worse in England.

[James310]

I think you deserve some credit for that.

Apparently I still talk rubbish, for someone being supposedly paid for this I need to up my game.

[grunt]

Poor by having the worse A&E waiting times on record, the worst cancer waiting times on record and so on. If that's not poor what is? You think that's good? How would you describe it? Even Nicola Sturgeon admits it is unacceptable.

The argument but they are worse in England doesn't give comfort to those dying. They won't break out in a smile knowing it's worse in England.
Things are bad. They're worse everywhere else in the UK but that doesn't stop you using this to bash the Scottish Government.
There's really no point arguing with you.

[James310]

Things are bad. They're worse everywhere else in the UK but that doesn't stop you using this to bash the Scottish Government.
There's really no point arguing with you.

Please don't!

Any criticism of the SNP seems to be like I am attacking you and your family.

[grunt]

Please don't!

Any criticism of the SNP seems to be like I am attacking you and your family.

Don't what?

[James310]

Don't what?

Argue with me, you said there was no point. You don't have to.

[Jack]

Things are bad. They're worse everywhere else in the UK but that doesn't stop you using this to bash the Scottish Government.
There's really no point arguing with you.

I agree.

Things aren't going well in health systems around the world but the most comparable to Scotland are those that are in the UK. Scotland is the least worst despite levels of spending per head being fairly similar, 2020/2021.

England £3,266
Scotland £3,293
Wales £3,204
Northern Ireland £3,461

[The Tubs]

People need to really fight for a wage rise, unionize. Because inflation is going to be horrible. UK will get growth but from a crippling cost of massive cuts from every sector.

I guess things Scholz will have explaining to do, why his economy will do worse than brexit ridden uk and its incompetent government.


Germany’s problem is surely a sudden structural shock to its economy. If you specialise in manufacturing then you need energy. You can blame previous German governments for trusting Russia but the current one has little responsibility for the shock.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Stairway 2 7]

Germany’s problem is surely a sudden structural shock to its economy. If you specialise in manufacturing then you need energy. You can blame previous German governments for trusting Russia but the current one has little responsibility for the shock.

You can say that for every party in Europe. Germany has actually guaranteed its security with last weeks huge deal to the anger of many in the eu. But that's more next year. They have had no shortages this year but have managed to have less gdp growth than brexit uk lead by idiots.

And I mean sdp rather than Scholz and no-one can have more blame to over reliance on Russia than schroder. Most of uks inflation is due to the energy prices, but I would never excuse the tories for high inflation.

I was just speculating anyway that I wonder if Germans will be unhappy being in recession next year.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221012/b9adf5f14f9bf32bee4b5dc46bf08f5c.jpg

From the Economist.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Germany’s problem is surely a sudden structural shock to its economy. If you specialise in manufacturing then you need energy. You can blame previous German governments for trusting Russia but the current one has little responsibility for the shock.

Energy is not the problem, the problem for a nation like Germany is that it relies on its trading partners having money to buy the products they manufacture.

[Mr Grieves]

People need to really fight for a wage rise, unionize. Because inflation is going to be horrible. UK will get growth but from a crippling cost of massive cuts from every sector.

I guess things Scholz will have explaining to do, why his economy will do worse than brexit ridden uk and its incompetent government.

The UK economy unexpectedly shrank 0.3% in August raising the risk of a recession

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63225328

[The Tubs]

Energy is not the problem, the problem for a nation like Germany is that it relies on its trading partners having money to buy the products they manufacture.

I tried to be brief but demand too is a problem. Nevertheless, surely energy will have a huge impact on German industry's expenditure and even its input. For example, I've heard business people from outside Europe discussing increasing semi-finished steel exports to the continent due to the competitive advantage that they now have in energy.

[Stairway 2 7]

The UK economy unexpectedly shrank 0.3% in August raising the risk of a recession

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63225328

Yep uks economy is doing terrible but still expected to grow the most in the g7 this year, mid table next year with minimal growth 0.3% for the year

[Stairway 2 7]

I tried to be brief but demand too is a problem. Nevertheless, surely energy will have a huge impact on German industry's expenditure and even its input. For example, I've heard business people from outside Europe discussing increasing semi-finished steel exports to the continent due to the competitive advantage that they now have in energy.
Imf putting it down to energy concerns. Germany has overtaken uk as europes most shorted stock also
https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2022/07/21/cf-germany-faces-weaker-growth-amid-energy-concerns

[Tambo]

Didn't want to start a new thread and couldn't see one about it but yet again more train strikes announced and have a feeling they will strike at the end of the month when I want to come up.

Little look on Google and overall average for Network Rail RMT members is £36,000.

36k a year not enough to live?

[grunt]

Yep uks economy is doing terrible but still expected to grow the most in the g7 this year, mid table next year with minimal growth 0.3% for the year

Somehow that "expected to grow most in G7" doesn't impress me much.

[JeMeSouviens]

Yep uks economy is doing terrible but still expected to grow the most in the g7 this year, mid table next year with minimal growth 0.3% for the year

Isn't that partly to do with the fact the UK had the biggest (or at least one of) pandemic recession and so has a bit more room to bounce back?

[Mon Dieu4]

Didn't want to start a new thread and couldn't see one about it but yet again more train strikes announced and have a feeling they will strike at the end of the month when I want to come up.

Little look on Google and overall average for Network Rail RMT members is £36,000.

36k a year not enough to live?

The unions say they are facing the 3rd year in a row without a payrise and with inflation at double digits then they have had 3 years of real term pay cuts, good luck to them, hope they get everything they are after, doesn't matter how much your base pay is when you are getting screwed over by companies that make millions if not billions

[Tambo]

The unions say they are facing the 3rd year in a row without a payrise and with inflation at double digits then they have had 3 years of real term pay cuts, good luck to them, hope they get everything they are after, doesn't matter how much your base pay is when you are getting screwed over by companies that make millions if not billions

OK fair enough I can respect that. Are they asking for much?

Really hope it can be settled ASAP maybe just a little annoyed at the prospect of not being able to get up for the st mirren game.

[Stairway 2 7]

Somehow that "expected to grow most in G7" doesn't impress me much.

It shouldn't. Although markets have approved. Pound to euro went up to above what it was before the mini budget. Although that isn't impressive either as that's down for the year

[Mon Dieu4]

OK fair enough I can respect that. Are they asking for much?

Really hope it can be settled ASAP maybe just a little annoyed at the prospect of not being able to get up for the st mirren game.

From memory they were offered 5%, they wanted 7% as inflation was at over 9% at the time, they also wanted a few things about shifts sorted out, from what I've read it doesn't exactly seem like the most mental demands ever

[Stairway 2 7]

Truss mini budget was so bad, everyone has basically said no chance that's useless

@elenicourea
Growing speculation that Truss could ditch yet more aspects of the mini-budget

Tory MP texts: “I think we’re heading for the most humiliating u-turn in modern political history: the entire mini-budget

Think we’re looking at “deferring” tax cuts and maybe a further windfall tax

Comes after new windfall tax on electricity generators revealed overnight

@annaisaac
reports more budget measures being reviewed

From this piece: one official speculated there would be more U-turns, e.g. on corp tax, to fill the hole in public finances

https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-economy-liz-truss-mistakes-markets-tax-kwarteng/

[Hibbyradge]

OK fair enough I can respect that. Are they asking for much?

Really hope it can be settled ASAP maybe just a little annoyed at the prospect of not being able to get up for the st mirren game.

I'm planning on being in Edinburgh that Friday to Monday too and train was my preferred option although I'll drive if necessary.

I haven't seen anything saying that there are plans to strike that weekend, though. :dunno:

[nonshinyfinish]

Truss mini budget was so bad, everyone has basically said no chance that's useless

@elenicourea
Growing speculation that Truss could ditch yet more aspects of the mini-budget

Tory MP texts: “I think we’re heading for the most humiliating u-turn in modern political history: the entire mini-budget

Think we’re looking at “deferring” tax cuts and maybe a further windfall tax

Comes after new windfall tax on electricity generators revealed overnight

@annaisaac
reports more budget measures being reviewed

From this piece: one official speculated there would be more U-turns, e.g. on corp tax, to fill the hole in public finances

https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-economy-liz-truss-mistakes-markets-tax-kwarteng/

Is that Truss officially joining the Anti-Growth Coalition?

[Hibbyradge]

Is that Truss officially joining the Anti-Growth Coalition?

Superb as usual, Fishboy!

[Tambo]

I'm planning on being in Edinburgh that Friday to Monday too and train was my preferred option although I'll drive if necessary.

I haven't seen anything saying that there are plans to strike that weekend, though. :dunno:

These dates was confirmed yesterday with rumors of more dates to be announced.

Monday, October 17 - affecting East Midlands Railway services only (UNITE union)
Tuesday, October 18 - affecting East Midlands Railway services only (UNITE union)
Saturday, October 22 - affecting Avanti West Coast services only (RMT union)
Sunday 6 November 2022 - affecting Avanti West Coast services only (RMT union)

🤞 28th till the 31st is OK as that's when I'm travelling also.

[Bostonhibby]

Is that Truss officially joining the Anti-Growth Coalition?At this rate she might be heading back to the liberal party and being a remainer she is retrograding that fast

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[Mr Grieves]

Isn't that partly to do with the fact the UK had the biggest (or at least one of) pandemic recession and so has a bit more room to bounce back?

Yep :agree:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/#:~:text=For%202021%20as%20a%20whole,recovery%20fr om%20weakness%20in%202020.

Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q2 2022 was 0.2% lower (this figure was recently revised lower). This compares with Eurozone GDP being 1.8% higher than its pre-pandemic level, while US GDP was 3.5% higher.

For 2021 as a whole, UK GDP growth was 7.5%. This was the highest in the G7. The UK had the largest decline in GDP among the G7 in 2020 (-11.0%) and its relatively strong performance in 2021 was to some degree a recovery from weakness in 2020.

[nonshinyfinish]

At this rate she might be heading back to the liberal party and being a remainer she is retrograding that fast

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The endgame is presumably moving back in with her Guardian-reading parents.

[Moulin Yarns]

These dates was confirmed yesterday with rumors of more dates to be announced.

Monday, October 17 - affecting East Midlands Railway services only (UNITE union)
Tuesday, October 18 - affecting East Midlands Railway services only (UNITE union)
Saturday, October 22 - affecting Avanti West Coast services only (RMT union)
Sunday 6 November 2022 - affecting Avanti West Coast services only (RMT union)

🤞 28th till the 31st is OK as that's when I'm travelling also.

For the 28th they will have to announce a strike by the end of the week. I'm heading to Glasgow on 29th and keeping my fingers crossed.

Thread about rail strike on the private member forum

[Ozyhibby]

Somehow that "expected to grow most in G7" doesn't impress me much.

It’s because we had the biggest slump in pandemic. Compared with 2019 we are in the worst condition in G7.


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[Hibbyradge]

For the 28th they will have to announce a strike by the end of the week. I'm heading to Glasgow on 29th and keeping my fingers crossed.

Thread about rail strike on the private member forum

I won't book my train tickets till next week then.

[grunt]

The India trade deal is on the "verge of collapse" after Indian ministers reacted furiously to Suella Braverman criticising migrants from their country

[Stairway 2 7]

The India trade deal is on the "verge of collapse" after Indian ministers reacted furiously to Suella Braverman criticising migrants from their country

Just reading about that, tories will be furious with her. It's also amusing reading about the deal, there will be a massive influx of Indians to the uk. I'm sure the people who voted for brexit will be delighted with the news

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/indian-trade-deal-in-peril-after-suella-braverman-migrant-comments-bpgkw6prr

[Bostonhibby]

The endgame is presumably moving back in with her Guardian-reading parents.You never know, another bandwagon might be along in a minute.

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[Stairway 2 7]

She's either lying (quite believable) or she's going to totally change mini budget. They probably freeze budgets which with massive inflation, will feel like cuts

Andy Bruce
@BruceReuters
·
Truss says she's "absolutely" not planning to reduce public sector spending #PMQs

[DaveF]

Shares tanking downwards again.

[Callum_62]

She's either lying (quite believable) or she's going to totally change mini budget. They probably freeze budgets which with massive inflation, will feel like cuts

Andy Bruce
@BruceReuters
·
Truss says she's "absolutely" not planning to reduce public sector spending #PMQsSounds highly unrealistic

Big tax cuts and no lose to public service funding?

Aye right

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[Mon Dieu4]

Shares tanking downwards again.

Just checked and the shares in my work are down 5.18% today already

[DaveF]

Just checked and the shares in my work are down 5.18% today already

I suspect we both work for the same place..5.42% now 🙄

[gbhibby]

Watched PMQs today just when you thought nobody could be as bad or worse than Boris you get Liz Truss or should I say Boris in a dress.

[wookie70]

Didn't want to start a new thread and couldn't see one about it but yet again more train strikes announced and have a feeling they will strike at the end of the month when I want to come up.

Little look on Google and overall average for Network Rail RMT members is £36,000.

36k a year not enough to live?

What has having enough to live got to do with it. This is about appropriate remuneration for work done and inflationary pressures. It also covers terms and conditions and job security. Stop signing up to teh race for teh bottom and try and support workers who are fighting back and who may also benefit many others by indirectly raising the cost of labour. Your average figure is wrong and only applies to RMT working for Network Rail. The actual figure for all RMT members is 33K but many in the Union earn far less.

[hibee]

The India trade deal is on the "verge of collapse" after Indian ministers reacted furiously to Suella Braverman criticising migrants from their country

Not sure it was a criticism, sounds like she was just quoting stats on overstayers.

[ronaldo7]

Feel the Love Scotland.

A TORY MP has suggested “the northern reaches of Scotland” as a site that could be appropriate for fracking, while dismissing the possibility of it happening in her own constituency.

Laura Farris, MP for Newbury, was on the BBC’s Politics Live on Wednesday while discussing Liz Truss’s proposal to allow fracking in areas where there is “community consent” – a scheme which the PM has failed to provide details for.

[Moulin Yarns]

Feel the Love Scotland.

A TORY MP has suggested “the northern reaches of Scotland” as a site that could be appropriate for fracking, while dismissing the possibility of it happening in her own constituency.

Laura Farris, MP for Newbury, was on the BBC’s Politics Live on Wednesday while discussing Liz Truss’s proposal to allow fracking in areas where there is “community consent” – a scheme which the PM has failed to provide details for.

Obviously doesn't understand what fracking is or where it is possible!

[greenginger]

Shares tanking downwards again.

The drop in the FTSE is a lot less than the drop in the DOW , the DAX or the CAC in the last 6 or 12 month comparison.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Feel the Love Scotland.

A TORY MP has suggested “the northern reaches of Scotland” as a site that could be appropriate for fracking, while dismissing the possibility of it happening in her own constituency.

Laura Farris, MP for Newbury, was on the BBC’s Politics Live on Wednesday while discussing Liz Truss’s proposal to allow fracking in areas where there is “community consent” – a scheme which the PM has failed to provide details for.
I think that community consent, translates as not likely to vote Tory.

[Hibrandenburg]

Feel the Love Scotland.

A TORY MP has suggested “the northern reaches of Scotland” as a site that could be appropriate for fracking, while dismissing the possibility of it happening in her own constituency.

Laura Farris, MP for Newbury, was on the BBC’s Politics Live on Wednesday while discussing Liz Truss’s proposal to allow fracking in areas where there is “community consent” – a scheme which the PM has failed to provide details for.

Was she told to "go frack herself"?

[DaveF]

The drop in the FTSE is a lot less than the drop in the DOW , the DAX or the CAC in the last 6 or 12 month comparison.

Right. But is that helping the share price or are you just pointing elsewhere?

[Tambo]

What has having enough to live got to do with it. This is about appropriate remuneration for work done and inflationary pressures. It also covers terms and conditions and job security. Stop signing up to teh race for teh bottom and try and support workers who are fighting back and who may also benefit many others by indirectly raising the cost of labour. Your average figure is wrong and only applies to RMT working for Network Rail. The actual figure for all RMT members is 33K but many in the Union earn far less.

Sorry for upsetting you.

All I was implying is that the union is saying they need help with the cost of living and I googled the average salary.

Wish I could struggle to live off the wage they earn.

[greenginger]

S
Right. But is that helping the share price or are you just pointing elsewhere?

Nope, just pointing out share prices have fallen throughout the world and the UK’ s drop is not as severe as in many of other major markets.