Tories are still lying *******s

[Hibbyradge]

Shameless.

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1548218359245709312?t=puTIZpdQ8_qHph8YUdQosw&s=19

[James310]

You agree with Rishi then, yes? [emoji16]

What did he say?

[Smartie]

This thread is taking the usual direction, attacking women for how they look and back to bowing down to our English overlords and colonies again. Really progressive politics from the Scottish Nationalists on here that will push forward Independence.

Well hopefully the decisions Rishi makes on our behalf will improve the situation.

[James310]

Well hopefully the decisions Rishi makes on our behalf will improve the situation.

What exactly did Rishi say please?

[Smartie]

What exactly did Rishi say please?

The comments were from Bowie, regarding Sunak bypassing the Scottish Government and the SNP, who “can’t be trusted”.

[James310]

The comments were from Bowie, regarding Sunak bypassing the Scottish Government and the SNP, who “can’t be trusted”.

Oh comments from Bowie, nothing from Rishi?

Any quotes from Rishi?

[McSwanky]

Oh comments from Bowie, nothing from Rishi?

Any quotes from Rishi?Very good. I'm sure you're well aware that Bowie is basically Sunak's Scottish mouthpiece. I don't believe you're so naive to fail to understand exactly what's going on here.

But technically of course, you're right. Sunak didn't say anything. Well done. [emoji849]

[James310]

Very good. I'm sure you're well aware that Bowie is basically Sunak's Scottish mouthpiece. I don't believe you're so naive to fail to understand exactly what's going on here.

But technically of course, you're right. Sunak didn't say anything. Well done. [emoji849]

I was asked 3 times what I thought of what Rishi Sunak said, and it turns out he said nothing.

But it amuses me that a Scottish Tory writing in The Times of all papers is 100% believed. That's quite funny.

Back to colonies and bowing down to our overlords now.

[McSwanky]

I was asked 3 times what I thought of what Rishi Sunak said, and it turns out he said nothing.

But it amuses me that a Scottish Tory writing in The Times of all papers is 100% believed. That's quite funny.You're joking, right? This has to be a wind up, albeit not a very good one

[James310]

You're joking, right? This has to be a wind up, albeit not a very good one

It's a reasonable question to ask why a Scottish Tory writing in The Times is now totally credible and 100% true? When any other time it would be immediately dismissed.

Why do you believe everything Andrew Bowie is saying?

[Ozyhibby]

It's a reasonable question to ask why a Scottish Tory writing in The Times is now totally credible and 100% true? When any other time it would be immediately dismissed.

Why do you believe everything Andrew Bowie is saying?

When Tories show you what they are, believe them.


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[Callum_62]

Sunak doesn’t trust the SNP. Neither do their own supporters other than to get independence.That's blatently nonsense

If the comments attributed to Sunak are true he's literally saying the democratic process in Scotland doenst matter as he doesn't like who we (continuously) vote for

Its like something of the countries we used to laugh at there version of 'democracy'

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[Callum_62]

It's a reasonable question to ask why a Scottish Tory writing in The Times is now totally credible and 100% true? When any other time it would be immediately dismissed.

Why do you believe everything Andrew Bowie is saying?A tory writing about a tory surley has more credibility than the usual poltical points scoring that goes on?



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[McSwanky]

It's a reasonable question to ask why a Scottish Tory writing in The Times is now totally credible and 100% true? When any other time it would be immediately dismissed.

Why do you believe everything Andrew Bowie is saying?You're going to continue with this line are you?

Do you think there might be any chance Bowie would like a job in the cabinet if/when Sunak becomes PM? Why would he lie about what Sunak is saying, what would he have to gain?

You're either incredibly naive, or playing the clown to try and score a point.

[Ozyhibby]

You're going to continue with this line are you?

Do you think there might be any chance Bowie would like a job in the cabinet if/when Sunak becomes PM? Why would he lie about what Sunak is saying, what would he have to gain?

You're either incredibly naive, or playing the clown to try and score a point.

I expect he’ll be Scottish Secretary.


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[Moulin Yarns]

I expect he’ll be Scottish Secretary.


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Who? James310? 😱

[Ozyhibby]

Who? James310? [emoji33]

He def has that unquestioning loyalty to the union that is required for the role.


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[He's here!]

Nut job

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/15/penny-mordaunt-repeatedly-advocated-use-of-homeopathy-on-nhs

Penny Mordaunt repeatedly advocated use of homeopathy on NHS
Exclusive: Tory leadership candidate has voiced support for what others say is bogus treatment

Don't knock homeopathy until you've tried it! Napier's in Edinburgh sorted out my hay fever overnight when nothing else would touch it. Haven't had a trace of it for years now. They're good for skincare too, especially if you want something gentler for kids/teenagers.

That's a weak 'exclusive' from the Guardian and indicative of how little mud both the left and right wing media can find to throw at Mordaunt.

[Hibrandenburg]

This thread is taking the usual direction, attacking women for how they look and back to bowing down to our English overlords and colonies again. Really progressive politics from the Scottish Nationalists on here that will push forward Independence.

Aye because being surprised about someone's age is misogynistic :rolleyes:

Whilst you're on here, maybe you'd like to make a comment about Rishi's thoughts on democracy in Scotland.

[Stairway 2 7]

Don't knock homeopathy until you've tried it! Napier's in Edinburgh sorted out my hay fever overnight when nothing else would touch it. Haven't had a trace of it for years now. They're good for skincare too, especially if you want something gentler for kids/teenagers.

That's a weak 'exclusive' from the Guardian and indicative of how little mud both the left and right wing media can find to throw at Mordaunt.

It's not weak its bat **** to have it as policy. I'm not knocking natural things, many scientific cures have their source in nature. They are then blind tested against placebos, if no discernable difference then it goes in the nonsense pile.

Placebo medicine sometimes works better than nothing also.

And it was also a right wing erses twitter where I saw it. A prime minister that puts nhs money to homeopathy is utterly frightening to me.

cjsnowdon
She's by no means alone in this. Homeopathy is remarkably popular among MPs

An Early Day Motion congratulating the Society of Homeopaths on its 25th anniversary was signed by 68 MPs in 2003, including Jeremy Corbyn, Ed Davey, Alex Salmond and Ann Widdecombe

In 2010, an EDM moaning about a Science and Technology Committee report which criticised homeopathy was signed by 75 MPs (5 subsequently withdrew their support). It claimed that Dr Ben Goldacre had "no expertise in the subject

The EDM signed by Mordaunt expressed regret that the British Medical Association opposed further commissioning and funding of homeopathic remedies. Signed by 16 MPs, including John McDonnell and future public health minister Luciana Berger

This was all over a decade ago. How many of them still support this utter nonsense

Matthew Malthouse
@cjsnowdon
Well of course. If the evidence is so scant as to be entirely invisible it will naturally become super powerful and work…

…on the gullible

[Smartie]

He def has that unquestioning loyalty to the union that is required for the role.


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It Douglas Ross is anything to go by James is far too consistent for a role in this government.

[ronaldo7]

Sunak doesn’t trust the SNP. Neither do their own supporters other than to get independence.

Twaddle.

[ronaldo7]

I was asked 3 times what I thought of what Rishi Sunak said, and it turns out he said nothing.

But it amuses me that a Scottish Tory writing in The Times of all papers is 100% believed. That's quite funny.

Back to colonies and bowing down to our overlords now.

Rishi you say?

Well, he used to say we'd be able to have Indyref2 after the Brexit vote, but he's changed his mind, and now we're not allowed.

You'll be happy to know that Sir Keir has ruled it out forever.

Are you happy with this?

[James310]

Rishi you say?

Well, he used to say we'd be able to have Indyref2 after the Brexit vote, but he's changed his mind, and now we're not allowed.

You'll be happy to know that Sir Keir has rules it out forever.

Are you happy with this?

I think Sunak was referring to the expected increase in support for Scottish Independence after Brexit and that if that materialised it would be hard to not have another referendum, I agree with him. If we had seen support for Independence rocket after Brexit then another referendum would be inevitable.

I am not sure what Starmer has said, has he really said there would never be a referendum ever?

[He's here!]

It's not weak its bat **** to have it as policy. I'm not knocking natural things, many scientific cures have their source in nature. They are then blind tested against placebos, if no discernable difference then it goes in the nonsense pile.

Placebo medicine sometimes works better than nothing also.

And it was also a right wing erses twitter where I saw it. A prime minister that puts nhs money to homeopathy is utterly frightening to me.

cjsnowdon
She's by no means alone in this. Homeopathy is remarkably popular among MPs

An Early Day Motion congratulating the Society of Homeopaths on its 25th anniversary was signed by 68 MPs in 2003, including Jeremy Corbyn, Ed Davey, Alex Salmond and Ann Widdecombe

In 2010, an EDM moaning about a Science and Technology Committee report which criticised homeopathy was signed by 75 MPs (5 subsequently withdrew their support). It claimed that Dr Ben Goldacre had "no expertise in the subject

The EDM signed by Mordaunt expressed regret that the British Medical Association opposed further commissioning and funding of homeopathic remedies. Signed by 16 MPs, including John McDonnell and future public health minister Luciana Berger

This was all over a decade ago. How many of them still support this utter nonsense

Matthew Malthouse
@cjsnowdon
Well of course. If the evidence is so scant as to be entirely invisible it will naturally become super powerful and work…

…on the gullible

Bat **** in this field are folk like Novak 'polluted water can be purified by the power of positive thought' Djokovic. The EDMs cited there were probably not even considered newsworthy at the time. Where has Mordaunt even alluded to making this policy should she become PM? It IS a weak story and underlines how much uneasiness the prospect of somebody relatively normal as Tory PM is engendering among the Left, the SNP and a faction of the Tories who would seemingly rather lose an election than have a less than true blue leader.

I have no idea if she'd be up to the job but these attempted hatchet jobs are pretty desperate.

[grunt]

Since we've gone there, here's the NHS on homeopathy.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/homeopathy/


Does homeopathy work?There's been extensive investigation of the effectiveness of homeopathy. There's no good-quality evidence that homeopathy is effective as a treatment for any health condition.

[grunt]

Where has Mordaunt even alluded to making this policy should she become PM? It IS a weak story and underlines how much uneasiness the prospect of somebody relatively normal as Tory PM is engendering among the Left, the SNP and a faction of the Tories who would seemingly rather lose an election than have a less than true blue leader.
The story is not about whether she would advocate this as a policy as PM. The story demonstrates that she is someone who consistently over the years has espoused remedies which scientific studies show provide no benefit. We need the PM to be someone who bases their decisions on the evidence, not "what they think".


Michael Marshall, a project director at the pro-science charity Good Thinking Society, said: “Homeopathic remedies have no place in modern healthcare, given that they have been proven to be ineffective, and can be actively dangerous when patients are led to believe they might work.

“It is concerning to think that a leading contender for the highest office has such a poor appreciation of the importance of evidence when it comes to healthcare and science, and that she feels confident standing publicly against the conclusions of medical experts.”

Marshall added: “We sincerely hope Ms Mordaunt has withdrawn her support for this pseudoscientific therapy, and that her other views and policy positions show a far greater consideration for evidence and reason.”

Daisy Cooper, the Liberal Democrats’ health spokesperson, said: “It’s alarming that someone who could be appointed prime minister in a few weeks’ time has repeatedly supported homeopathy being provided by the NHS, despite concerns about the practice among health experts.

[Bostonhibby]

Since we've gone there, here's the NHS on homeopathy.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/homeopathy/Who to believe on this one?

Our very own Health Service advice, or a politician who famously lied about the UK having no veto to prevent Turkey from joining the EU, when in fact we did, and always did.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Bat **** in this field are folk like Novak 'polluted water can be purified by the power of positive thought' Djokovic. The EDMs cited there were probably not even considered newsworthy at the time. Where has Mordaunt even alluded to making this policy should she become PM? It IS a weak story and underlines how much uneasiness the prospect of somebody relatively normal as Tory PM is engendering among the Left, the SNP and a faction of the Tories who would seemingly rather lose an election than have a less than true blue leader.

I have no idea if she'd be up to the job but these attempted hatchet jobs are pretty desperate.

It's the left right and centre that is taking the piss out of her as she clearly isn't intelligent. Last night she had the medical community howling when she said " the top 180 innovations we've had, how many does the NHS use, none". I mean wtf 😆

Although fighting for brexit she scored its biggest own goal when lying about turkey
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/penny-mordaunt-andrew-marr-uk-veto-tory-minister-accused-of-flat-out-lying-over-turkey-joining-the-eu-a7041956.html%3famp

Even the navy think she's a dolt
Last night, a highly-decorated former senior Royal Navy officer said: ‘She isn’t [currently] a trained or paid reservist, she’s never qualified or been commissioned. She’s been banging the naval drum for days and enough is enough. How she has presented herself – and how she has allowed herself to be presented – have been deeply misleading.’

[ronaldo7]

I think Sunak was referring to the expected increase in support for Scottish Independence after Brexit and that if that materialised it would be hard to not have another referendum, I agree with him. If we had seen support for Independence rocket after Brexit then another referendum would be inevitable.

I am not sure what Starmer has said, has he really said there would never be a referendum ever?

I don't think it was predicated on a poll increase, it was more of a, let's get Brexit vote our of the way first, and then you can have your Indyref2. The only polls which count are the actual referendums/elections, only after getting a mandate from the people who voted for one of course.

Which brings us back to the mandate debate, which the SNP/Greens have, and the Tories and Labour denying it.

Unfortunately, Sir Keir has fallen into the tory trap and said forever. I think it was on Andrew Marr, on LBC.

[lapsedhibee]

It's the left right and centre that is taking the piss out of her as she clearly isn't intelligent. Last night she had the medical community howling when she said " the top 180 innovations we've had, how many does the NHS use, none". I mean wtf 😆

Perfectly understandable remark. The NHS doesn't use the American medical company 180innovations.com. Now that everyone's talking about them, she'll probably get a bung. She's a very clever person pretending to be a clown, just like Johnson, so she should definitely get the gig, because that choice worked out well before.

[degenerated]

How do you get from 'some people might prefer a Labourish government in Scotland after independence' to 'SNP supporters don't trust the SNP'? :dunno:By just making it up, I think.

[Kato]

Consistent to the last.

All the contenders bar one supported this parasite and told lies for him.

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1548321873003311107?t=3C3O4uie418eMo5PWFmBEg&s=19

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[Glory Lurker]

Consistent to the last.

All the contenders bar one supported this parasite and told lies for him.

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1548321873003311107?t=3C3O4uie418eMo5PWFmBEg&s=19

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They were parasites on that parasite.

[hibsbollah]

Don't knock homeopathy until you've tried it! Napier's in Edinburgh sorted out my hay fever overnight when nothing else would touch it. Haven't had a trace of it for years now. They're good for skincare too, especially if you want something gentler for kids/teenagers.

That's a weak 'exclusive' from the Guardian and indicative of how little mud both the left and right wing media can find to throw at Mordaunt.


What sorted your hay fever was most likely a plant based remedy, many of which are centuries old and emphatically DO work and which Napiers sell and prescribe. That’s not homeopathy, that’s herbal remedy.

They also sell actual ‘homeopathic remedies’ which rely on the ‘tiny concentrations of minerals watered down by multiple parts of a thousand and then made into a pill just for you’ technique, which multiple peer reviewed studies have been shown to be completely bogus.

[Moulin Yarns]

Consistent to the last.

All the contenders bar one supported this parasite and told lies for him.

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1548321873003311107?t=3C3O4uie418eMo5PWFmBEg&s=19

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Ahem no the prime minister fur mutch longer so ah dinnae give a ****!!

[hibsbollah]

Alok Sharma in ‘Tory Does The Right Thing’ shocker.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/16/climate-chief-alok-sharma-warns-i-may-quit-if-new-pm-dumps-net-zero-pledge

Surely 40 degree heat in London on Tuesday will concentrate some minds.

[Kato]

Alok Sharma in ‘Tory Does The Right Thing’ shocker.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/16/climate-chief-alok-sharma-warns-i-may-quit-if-new-pm-dumps-net-zero-pledge

Surely 40 degree heat in London on Tuesday will concentrate some minds.One of Penny Mordor's main sponsors is a climate change denier.

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[Bostonhibby]

Consistent to the last.

All the contenders bar one supported this parasite and told lies for him.

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1548321873003311107?t=3C3O4uie418eMo5PWFmBEg&s=19

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[Kato]

Bound to be still leading the fight against Putin between parties though.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk"Getting on with the job."

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[Bostonhibby]

Wonder if Truss couldn't have just got the booze for the many partygate events delivered instead of some party worker having to sneak it in by the suitcase load?

Claiming Prime on expenses, they really are laughing at the public.

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1548375709193605121?t=S6q9SC7We4VjRv6txp65Sw&s=08

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[Ozyhibby]

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Douglas Ross is going to be confused.


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[degenerated]

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Douglas Ross is going to be confused.


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[lucky]

Wonder if Truss couldn't have just got the booze for the many partygate events delivered instead of some party worker having to sneak it in by the suitcase load?

Claiming Prime on expenses, they really are laughing at the public.

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1548375709193605121?t=S6q9SC7We4VjRv6txp65Sw&s=08

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I really hope the Tory party elect her. She comes across with less personality than Starmer on a bad day but with all the nasty politics of Thatcher on a bad day. She will lead them into oblivion for at least a decade.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/MKBonTV/status/1546496996843917313?t=O79viiHXTJtUzTaP4AiKJQ&s=19

Once seen, never forgotten 😁

[Ozyhibby]

I really hope the Tory party elect her. She comes across with less personality than Starmer on a bad day but with all the nasty politics of Thatcher on a bad day. She will lead them into oblivion for at least a decade.

People have been saying that about the Tories my whole life and yet they’ve been in power for the vast majority of it.


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[Bostonhibby]

People have been saying that about the Tories my whole life and yet they’ve been in power for the vast majority of it.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSame here, problem is that the patsy who fronts the syndicate is there for public consumption, adulation, distraction and then ultimately sacked for their conduct, whilst the rest of the beneficiaries who lurk in the background fill their boots and break the law with very little consequence and frequently support.



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[hibsbollah]

I really hope the Tory party elect her. She comes across with less personality than Starmer on a bad day but with all the nasty politics of Thatcher on a bad day. She will lead them into oblivion for at least a decade.

I think you’re underestimating the British electorate’s ability to swallow whatever bullcrap they are fed by the media. They create caricatures, whether it’s Boris, or Corbyn, or any public figure, and no amount of contrary evidence sways the public. If Truss becomes leader the dark arts of analytics, propaganda and drip feed advertising and psychology will start and she’ll start being portrayed as Britannia or the spirit of Thatcher or whatever they come up with. Charlotte Church spoke about the UK medias power very well the other day, I had no idea she was so intelligent (probably because I’ve been just as guilty of believing media caricatures as anyone else).

[He's here!]

It's the left right and centre that is taking the piss out of her as she clearly isn't intelligent. Last night she had the medical community howling when she said " the top 180 innovations we've had, how many does the NHS use, none". I mean wtf ��

Although fighting for brexit she scored its biggest own goal when lying about turkey
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/penny-mordaunt-andrew-marr-uk-veto-tory-minister-accused-of-flat-out-lying-over-turkey-joining-the-eu-a7041956.html%3famp

Even the navy think she's a dolt
Last night, a highly-decorated former senior Royal Navy officer said: ‘She isn’t [currently] a trained or paid reservist, she’s never qualified or been commissioned. She’s been banging the naval drum for days and enough is enough. How she has presented herself – and how she has allowed herself to be presented – have been deeply misleading.’


Another poster flagging up that quote from the Daily Mail from an un-named source. Why would any such 'highly-decorated former senior Royal Navy officer' shy away from being named if that's what they believe? Probably because if readers actually found out who it was it would expose the Mail to ridicule.

Remarkable how the Mail is now being cited as an acceptable source on here...as I said, it just illustrates the paucity of skeletons in Mordaunt's closet that this non-issue is being used against her.

[He's here!]

What sorted your hay fever was most likely a plant based remedy, many of which are centuries old and emphatically DO work and which Napiers sell and prescribe. That’s not homeopathy, that’s herbal remedy.

They also sell actual ‘homeopathic remedies’ which rely on the ‘tiny concentrations of minerals watered down by multiple parts of a thousand and then made into a pill just for you’ technique, which multiple peer reviewed studies have been shown to be completely bogus.

Thanks for explaining that to me. I've only been using Napiers for a decade or so :wink:

Dee Atkinson, who has run it for many years, is an outstanding practitioner IMHO. The Napiers Long Covid clinic she's established involves collaboration between doctors, herbalists and nutritionists and is an excellent innovation.

The point I was originally making, though, is that herbal and homeopathic remedies have long enjoyed mainstream popularity and Mordaunt was, as we've seen, just one among a cross-party range of high-profile cross-party MPs to sign up to the motion. Hardly a bunch of dangerous snake oil peddlers and (again) a pretty flimsy stick to beat her with despite all the digging I'm sure the Guardian did to find something controversial to link her with.

[Stairway 2 7]

Another poster flagging up that quote from the Daily Mail from an un-named source. Why would any such 'highly-decorated former senior Royal Navy officer' shy away from being named if that's what they believe? Probably because if readers actually found out who it was it would expose the Mail to ridicule.

Remarkable how the Mail is now being cited as an acceptable source on here...as I said, it just illustrates the paucity of skeletons in Mordaunt's closet that this non-issue is being used against her.

It's obviously been fact checked that she has never qualified or been commissioned or she would do them with slander.

What about her blatantly lying about turkey or saying the 180 best innovations aren't used by the NHS. Doesn't it worry you that we could have the second prime minister in a row that isn't intelligent and clearly lies

[Smartie]

I think you’re underestimating the British electorate’s ability to swallow whatever bullcrap they are fed by the media. They create caricatures, whether it’s Boris, or Corbyn, or any public figure, and no amount of contrary evidence sways the public. If Truss becomes leader the dark arts of analytics, propaganda and drip feed advertising and psychology will start and she’ll start being portrayed as Britannia or the spirit of Thatcher or whatever they come up with. Charlotte Church spoke about the UK medias power very well the other day, I had no idea she was so intelligent (probably because I’ve been just as guilty of believing media caricatures as anyone else).

Charlotte Church is brilliant.

Stacey Solomon is another one I’ve found to be great once you get beyond the media caricature.

My partner is a huge fan of them both.

[Stairway 2 7]

Thanks for explaining that to me. I've only been using Napiers for a decade or so :wink:

Dee Atkinson, who has run it for many years, is an outstanding practitioner IMHO. The Napiers Long Covid clinic she's established involves collaboration between doctors, herbalists and nutritionists and is an excellent innovation.

The point I was originally making, though, is that herbal and homeopathic remedies have long enjoyed mainstream popularity and Mordaunt was, as we've seen, just one among a cross-party range of high-profile cross-party MPs to sign up to the motion. Hardly a bunch of dangerous snake oil peddlers and (again) a pretty flimsy stick to beat her with despite all the digging I'm sure the Guardian did to find something controversial to link her with.

Don't group herbal and homeopathy. Homeopathy is for mentalists and is up there with horoscopes and reiki. Mordaunt was unhappy with the NHS defunding the quackery. But when it works no better than placebo why would they. The NHS says

Homeopathy is a "treatment" based on the use of highly diluted substances, which practitioners claim can cause the body to heal itself.

A 2010 House of Commons Science and Technology Committee report on homeopathy said that homeopathic remedies perform no better than placebos (dummy treatments).

In 2017 NHS England said it would no longer fund homeopathy on the NHS as the lack of any evidence for its effectiveness did not justify the cost. This was backed by a High Court judgement in 2018

The ideas that underpin homeopathy aren't accepted by mainstream science, and aren't consistent with long-accepted principles on the way the physical world works.

The Committee's 2010 report on homeopathy said the "like cures like" principle is "theoretically weak", and that this is the "settled view of medical science".

For example, many homeopathic remedies are diluted to such an extent that it's unlikely there's a single molecule of the original substance remaining in the final remedy. In cases like these, homeopathic remedies consist of nothing but water.

Some homeopaths believe that, as a result of the succussion process, the original substance leaves an "imprint" of itself on the water. But there's no known mechanism by which this can occur.

The 2010 report said: "We consider the notion that ultra-dilutions can maintain an imprint of substances previously dissolved in them to be scientifically implausible."

Some people who use homeopathy may see an improvement in their health condition as the result of a phenomenon known as the placebo effect

[degenerated]

Another poster flagging up that quote from the Daily Mail from an un-named source. Why would any such 'highly-decorated former senior Royal Navy officer' shy away from being named if that's what they believe? Probably because if readers actually found out who it was it would expose the Mail to ridicule.

Remarkable how the Mail is now being cited as an acceptable source on here...as I said, it just illustrates the paucity of skeletons in Mordaunt's closet that this non-issue is being used against her.Bit rich when you have form for posting stuff from wings over Scotland :hilarious

[Ozyhibby]

Seriously shallow talent pool in this debate.


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[Kato]

Seriously shallow talent pool in this debate.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThere is dearth of talent in this Tory party. If you are smart enough not to bow down to the Faiths of Brexit and Anti-Wokeness there is no place for you. What is left is chancers and genuine loons.

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[Mon Dieu4]

Seriously shallow talent pool in this debate.


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Truss is brilliant, she's dressed like Thatcher, quoting Reagan and wants to go to Russia and sort Putin out face to face, she's stuck in 1985, bit like a Tory Rocky 4

[The Modfather]

Truss is brilliant, she's dressed like Thatcher, quoting Reagan and wants to go to Russia and sort Putin out face to face, she's stuck in 1985, bit like a Tory Rocky 4

I can picture her standing over the UK economy, which is flat out on the canvass, wearing her Brexit t-shirt saying, “if it dies, it dies”!

[Ozyhibby]

I can picture her standing over the UK economy, which is flat out on the canvass, wearing her Brexit t-shirt saying, “if it dies, it dies”!

The UK is heading for the grubber. I don’t think that can be stopped now. Labour are on board with it.


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[Since90+2]

Sunak seems a fairly competent and switched on guy. Probably the best of the candidates available.

[Hibby70]

dressed like Thatcher

must be living in a different world
😁

[heretoday]

Sunak seems a fairly competent and switched on guy. Probably the best of the candidates available.

At least he seems to realise that if you furlough half the country for two years it has to be paid for and not by more massive borrowing.

[degenerated]

must be living in a different world
[emoji16]Top marks.

[Kato]

At least he seems to realise that if you furlough half the country for two years it has to be paid for and not by more massive borrowing.The debt could be parked for a while longer. Asking the public to take on more tax rises after 12 years of austerity is adding insult to injury.

Maybe, just maybe, hugely rich people could be asked to chip in since they did very well during austerity. Instead they get tax cuts. It might appear normal but it isn't by a long margin.

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[He's here!]

Tomorrow's leadership debate has been cancelled by Sky after Truss and Sunak pulled out.

Was there any real need for another debate anyway?

[grunt]

Tomorrow's leadership debate has been cancelled by Sky after Truss and Sunak pulled out.
Was there any real need for another debate anyway?
LOL.

I was initially against having the debates as I thought there's no point since I don't have a vote.

But actually I found them really insightful. It was interesting to discover that none of the contenders had any single clue about the issues facing the country, they all avoided mentioning the disaster that 12 years of Tory Govt has been, and watching them tear each other to pieces over their lack of vision and policies to address the problems they themselves have caused. They avoided discussing Brexit and climate change, two of the biggest issues facing the country and indeed the world.

I am sorry they've cancelled the next debate. The more people see the shocking inadequacy of these Tory would-be leaders, the better, in my view. They are pathetic.


Tory HQ was reportedly instrumental at pulling the plug on the remaining leadership debate.Initially, the thinking had been that the country should get to know the candidates. Later, the worry became that the country would get to know the candidates.

[grunt]

YouGov poll of Tory party members released today looks at what they consider the most important issues in deciding which candidate to support. Bottom of the list, with only 4% thinking it's important, is climate change.


Thinking about the Conservative Party leadership contest, which of the following, if any, are most important to you in deciding which candidate to support? Please choose up to three.

We are doomed.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/enp8i6uud6/Times_ConservativePartyMembers_LeadershipContest_2 20713.pdf

[heretoday]

I suppose we should be grateful they all turned up for the show.

The last time the Tories had a leadership TV debate there was one notable absentee - the eventual winner.

He dodged it as he dodged the Andrew Neill interview later on. Any risk of being left looking clueless was not to be taken.

He got away with it too! All those clods in the red wall fell for his "charisma".

[Bostonhibby]

The debt could be parked for a while longer. Asking the public to take on more tax rises after 12 years of austerity is adding insult to injury.

Maybe, just maybe, hugely rich people could be asked to chip in since they did very well during austerity. Instead they get tax cuts. It might appear normal but it isn't by a long margin.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkThe ones who were "lucky" enough to be one of lord Deighton's fast track preferred suppliers for PPE could maybe be persuaded to return some of their plunder from the over priced or defective equipment they were allowed to supply?

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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/294014607_10160945374293475_8561708898621276023_n. jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=91yF6rp3Si4AX8i_B15&_nc_oc=AQnwNu5uly31POwPe83ywvldzgmAscoYP_aw4fUDzYM 0jp3cChyDA4QIbcLko9I_eT8&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_ldZlzWMEYBvuQGPSWlgNE9eJE6UkUJQCKrOZTgj6E-A&oe=62DA3727

[hibsbollah]

Was there any real need for another debate anyway?

That depends if you think you've made up your mind which one of them you're going to vote for. Is it 'He's Here' or 'She's Here?':greengrin

[LewysGot2]

Tomorrow's leadership debate has been cancelled by Sky after Truss and Sunak pulled out.

Was there any real need for another debate anyway?

Think they were damaging them all in the eyes of the electorate. Someone somewhere obviously thought they’d better get the clowns out of plain sight

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62206727 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62206727)

[grunt]

Johnson on top of his brief:


Boris Johnson says he has no idea why Labour wants to debate a confidence motion in the government.

Speaker Lindsay Hoyle points out to the PM that the government tabled the motion.

[Moulin Yarns]

Tugendhat out as expected

[Bostonhibby]

Tugendhat out as expectedAmazed he got that far, doesn't come across as anywhere near nasty enough, no obvious deviances, no made up past history and no obvious lies during the campaign.

Surely there must be courses he can go on to get the odd conviction or made up military career, working class history etc.. ...?

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[cabbageandribs1875]

i actually thought Tugendhat sounded very un-tory like last night, sounded half-decent



so not in the slightest bit surprised he's emptied


next, Badenoch
next, penny whatever her name is


Truss, dresses like thatcher which has surely aroused a lot of her peers, likes wearing furry Russian hats
Sunak, the man that will make sure those in society with lots of money will keep it, at the expense of those that have next to **** all, a PM that will delight the energy companies.

[Kato]

Amazed he got that far, doesn't come across as anywhere near nasty enough, no obvious deviances, no made up past history and no obvious lies during the campaign.

Surely there must be courses he can go on to get the odd conviction or made up military career, working class history etc.. ...?

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkHe seems like a decent toff like bloke.

In the context of the competition he's like a Judas Goat in reverse.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

meanwhile, Big Dog has missed three Cobra meetings on the heatwave whilst finding time in his diary for little jollies, lining up those big deals coming his way no doubt

he's a real man of the people eh

[cabbageandribs1875]

a Tory Police and Crime Commissioner that pledged a road safety crackdown on speeding motorists has herself been handed a ban after getting caught speeding five times in just 3 months, even though she's a tory surely tae **** even her position is now untenable

but it's ok cause she told the judge "i'm really sorry"

Tory PCC facing calls to resign after five speeding offences lead to driving ban (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-pcc-facing-calls-to-resign-after-five-speeding-offences-lead-to-driving-ban/ar-AAZI766?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=574b0bd5392e488f9a18f5518a453314)

[Bostonhibby]

a Tory Police and Crime Commissioner that pledged a road safety crackdown on speeding motorists has herself been handed a ban after getting caught speeding five times in just 3 months, even though she's a tory surely tae **** even her position is now untenable

but it's ok cause she told the judge "i'm really sorry"

Tory PCC facing calls to resign after five speeding offences lead to driving ban (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-pcc-facing-calls-to-resign-after-five-speeding-offences-lead-to-driving-ban/ar-AAZI766?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=574b0bd5392e488f9a18f5518a453314)Tory in behaving like a Tory scandal, do as I say not as I do. Knighthood imminent.

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[lapsedhibee]

Knighthood imminent.


:tsk tsk: No willie.

[Bostonhibby]

:tsk tsk: No willie.Anything is possible in the nasty party,especially where cars are involved[emoji6]

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[LewysGot2]

Amazed he got that far, doesn't come across as anywhere near nasty enough, no obvious deviances, no made up past history and no obvious lies during the campaign.

Surely there must be courses he can go on to get the odd conviction or made up military career, working class history etc.. ...?

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He actually was the one with the real services record.

Badenoch had a go at him for criticising the cabinet performance over the Johnson period. She said it was easy to snipe at people like her who had served on the cabinet front line.

He laughed and said he was the only candidate who had actually served on the front line...

Silly billy Kemi walked into that one 🤣

[stu in nottingham]

a Tory Police and Crime Commissioner that pledged a road safety crackdown on speeding motorists has herself been handed a ban after getting caught speeding five times in just 3 months, even though she's a tory surely tae **** even her position is now untenable

but it's ok cause she told the judge "i'm really sorry"

Tory PCC facing calls to resign after five speeding offences lead to driving ban (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-pcc-facing-calls-to-resign-after-five-speeding-offences-lead-to-driving-ban/ar-AAZI766?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=574b0bd5392e488f9a18f5518a453314)

She gave the briefest of statements when coming out of magistrates court and could then be seen to be smirking as she walked away. At least a couple of those offences were for speeding in the proximity of Burford School. Oxclose Lane where those two offences occured have permanent static cameras so she's obviously not a quick learner. She came out with some rot about her 'deep pain' and 'heartbreaking family circumstances. Her 'children' are in their early twenties I believe. Thankfully, the judge told her that her Tory MP husband could ferry the kids about whilst she is banned.

[Bostonhibby]

She gave the briefest of statements when coming out of magistrates court and could then be seen to be smirking as she walked away. At least a couple of those offences were for speeding in the proximity of Burford School. Oxclose Lane where those two offences occured have permanent static cameras so she's obviously not a quick learner. She came out with some rot about her 'deep pain' and 'heartbreaking family circumstances. Her 'children' are in their early twenties I believe. Thankfully, the judge told her that her Tory MP husband could ferry the kids about whilst she is banned.Seems to tick the nasty and a bit thick box then? Could go far.

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[stu in nottingham]

Seems to tick the nasty and a bit thick box then? Could go far.

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I liked the way the report referred to her as a 'crime boss'. :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

I liked the way the report referred to her as a 'crime boss'. :greengrinYeah, everyone knows that's a cabinet job.

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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/EmmaKennedy/status/1549134145485475841?t=44_L-gjJE2bu5FQxf-oatw&s=19

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[Hibernia&Alba]

YouGov poll of Tory party members released today looks at what they consider the most important issues in deciding which candidate to support. Bottom of the list, with only 4% thinking it's important, is climate change.



We are doomed.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/enp8i6uud6/Times_ConservativePartyMembers_LeadershipContest_2 20713.pdf

Top issue:

4% climate change
49% immigration

The nasty party never changes.

[hibsbollah]

A link to the text of Our Leader’s Speech yesterday at the Farnborough air show. All important issues covered I think.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pms-remarks-at-farnborough-air-show-18-july-2022

[Bostonhibby]

A link to the text of Our Leader’s Speech yesterday at the Farnborough air show. All important issues covered I think.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pms-remarks-at-farnborough-air-show-18-july-2022Any links to the minutes of his meetings with the ledbedev's and assorted Russians in Italy?

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[GlesgaeHibby]

Top issue:

4% climate change
49% immigration

The nasty party never changes.

Immigration is important. Particularly in Scotland. Our ageing population is due to start falling in a few years, and we need to be encouraging people to migrate to Scotland.

Sadly Tory supporters would rather demonise folk risking their life to get to the UK.

[Northernhibee]

Tugendhat is the only one in the race that I think may have worried the opposition parties if there was another general election. The rest of them are much of a muchness and representative of what the Tory party has become.

[Kato]

Immigration is important. Particularly in Scotland. Our ageing population is due to start falling in a few years, and we need to be encouraging people to migrate to Scotland.

Sadly Tory supporters would rather demonise folk risking their life to get to the UK.Those percentages show up the group think which I personally just can't get my head around. "Weirdos" is all I can think.

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[Just_Jimmy]

Tugendhat is the only one in the race that I think may have worried the opposition parties if there was another general election. The rest of them are much of a muchness and representative of what the Tory party has become.Any one of them will win an election. Its not about politics anymore.

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[Ozyhibby]

Any one of them will win an election. Its not about politics anymore.

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Absolutely. It wasn’t what the Tories were doing that the English public tired of, it was his personality. They are totally fine with people trafficking to Rwanda, tax cuts for the rich and generally putting up barriers with the rest of the world. They just got tired of being lied to. Even the most rabid fanatics can only take so much of that.
Starmer has no chance against Sunak, Mordaunt or Truss.


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[Kato]

UK stuck down a Brexit rabbit hole.


https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/07/the-post-boris-era-already-nightmare

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[Bostonhibby]

UK stuck down a Brexit rabbit hole.


https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/07/the-post-boris-era-already-nightmare

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkAye, but blue passports, crowns on our pint glasses, no more straight cucumbers etc.

And that's only the beginning of the brexit benefits Rees Mogg is compiling a list of.

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[Ozyhibby]

Aye, but blue passports, crowns on our pint glasses, no more straight cucumbers etc.

And that's only the beginning of the brexit benefits Rees Mogg is compiling a list of.

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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220719/78977d21ebf6e442ed58c69ee58266e1.jpg

Eh, about those blue passports…..


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220719/03ff16dcaee2652122a28682bc9eb909.jpg


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[Kato]

Boris might be PM after election.

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549372943494483969?t=fLZ5OTvJauQSSEupvVQHIQ&s=19

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[lapsedhibee]

Boris might be PM after election.

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1549372943494483969?t=fLZ5OTvJauQSSEupvVQHIQ&s=19


Good idea. That's how they ran Wimbledon in the early days - all challengers had a competition to win the right to take on the incumbent in a 'final'. Square go between Truss and Johnson? Wouldn't be any more absurd than Truss becoming PM anyway.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-62223132

Anything to combat the cost of living. How can he remain neutral in this Saturday?

[grunt]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rwanda-deal-priti-patel-asylum-law-b2126416.html


Government officials told Priti Patel not to do asylum deal with Rwanda, court hears

[Moulin Yarns]

Bad Enoch loses the next round, Sunak, maurdant and truss left for tomorrow

[Ozyhibby]

Bad Enoch loses the next round, Sunak, maurdant and truss left for tomorrow

Truss, Mordaunt in the final two?


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[grunt]

:greengrin


If you missed the Conservative #LeadershipDebate (https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeadershipDebate?src=hashtag_click), it went something like this

https://twitter.com/Darren_Dutton/status/1549147631838007297?s=20&t=stinklgQcTFgpFE9-aROeA

[Hibernia&Alba]

Toxic Bad-Enoch out, which is good. She was always angling for a top job in the new Cabinet, rather than winning the leadership, and she's probably achieved that now. It's going to be Sunak v Mordaunt/Truss, and either of the women would probably beat Sunak amongst the party members.

[hibsbollah]

Truss, Mordaunt in the final two?


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I dont think thats possible without defections from the Sunak camp, which seems unlikely at this stage. Mordaunt is 26 behind Sunak, Truss is 32 behind Sunak. Badenoch's 59 supporters will have to choose between the remaining 3, most wont go to Sunak, but it would have to be all 59 going exactly 26-32 to each of the other two candidates which would force a virtual dead heat between the 3, with the 1 remaining vote deciding the winner between all three! Not going to happen.

Its Sunak in, against either Mordor or Truss, who will THEN become the favourite in front of the membership.

[Moulin Yarns]

I dont think thats possible without defections from the Sunak camp, which seems unlikely at this stage. Mordaunt is 26 behind Sunak, Truss is 32 behind Sunak. Badenoch's 59 supporters will have to choose between the remaining 3, most wont go to Sunak, but it would have to be all 59 going exactly 26-32 to each of the other two candidates which would force a virtual dead heat between the 3, with the 1 remaining vote deciding the winner between all three! Not going to happen.

Its Sunak in, against either Mordor or Truss, who will THEN become the favourite in front of the membership.

Remember that maurdant has lost the support of the mp who was away working in Moldova and Ukraine because he wasn't there for the confidence vote 🙄

[hibsbollah]

Remember that maurdant has lost the support of the mp who was away working in Moldova and Ukraine because he wasn't there for the confidence vote 🙄

Ellwood? Thats true. But that means 58 instead of 59, so the scenario of the exact spread to take the two girls through at the expense of Sunak is no more likely. It does raise the fantastic possibility of a 3 way dead heat if my maths is correct, which would be funny. Coin toss?

[Stairway 2 7]

Badenochs supporters will mostly go to truss. Should be truss Sunak next round, with truss our new fuhrer

[Ozyhibby]

Sunak supporters might be getting a little nervous at all the polls which show him losing among the members whoever he is up against? Also, the fact that he hasn’t got it over the line among mp’s so far might be giving cause for concern?
Do some jump ship to Mordaunt to stop Truss? Maybe some jump the other way to stop Mordaunt?
I would think there must be some nervousness among their support over his inability to get this over the line and his general unpopularity among members.
Maybe I’m over thinking it.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Skybet next pm

Truss 1/1
Sunak 11/8
Mordaunt 7/1

Truss would be thoroughly depressing

[Moulin Yarns]

Skybet next pm

Truss 1/1
Sunak 11/8
Mordaunt 7/1

Truss would be thoroughly depressing

Might be what is needed to get independence over the line though? Thatcher Mark 2!!

[Northernhibee]

Skybet next pm

Truss 1/1
Sunak 11/8
Mordaunt 7/1

Truss would be thoroughly depressing
None of them are a feel good uplifting hit.

[LewysGot2]

Truss, Mordaunt in the final two?


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Unlikely. Sunak v Truss is more like it as Badenoch votes likely to go to her.

Sunak only 2 votes shy of automatic final spot

[hibsbollah]

Unlikely. Sunak v Truss is more like it as Badenoch votes likely to go to her.

Sunak only 2 votes shy of automatic final spot

Sunak two up at Tynie. But wait...

[grunt]

This will surely get those Tory members throbbing with excitement ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYCbvSTXwAAVEzJ?format=jpg&name=large

[Moulin Yarns]

Sunak two up at Tynie. But wait...

Apparently, in previous contests who led from the beginning has never won. Get your well earned on truss.

[Moulin Yarns]

This will surely get those Tory members throbbing with excitement ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYCbvSTXwAAVEzJ?format=jpg&name=large

Maurdant : what is that amazing thing floating on the water?


Naval reservist : A sailing ship, commander.


Maurdant : but how does it not sink to the bottom of the ocean?
Naval reservist : because it is built to float, unlike you.

[LewysGot2]

Apparently, in previous contests who led from the beginning has never won. Get your well earned on truss.

Boris Johnson did

[Moulin Yarns]

Boris Johnson did

Did he? Apologies then for the misinformation. 😁

[LewysGot2]

Did he? Apologies then for the misinformation. 😁

He is the only one

[Stairway 2 7]

The tories showing they have changed, could have a run off between boris's Chancellor who got a fixed penalty and his foreign secretary

[LewysGot2]

The tories showing they have changed, could have a run off between boris's Chancellor who got a fixed penalty and his foreign secretary

Boris is backing Truss - he's been manoeuvering in the shadows

[lapsedhibee]

Boris is backing Truss - he's been manoeuvering in the shadows

What. A. Disgrace.

[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220719/78977d21ebf6e442ed58c69ee58266e1.jpg

Eh, about those blue passports…..


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I just hope Gove gets to the bottom of it, metaphorically speaking.

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[SHODAN]

Prime Minister Truss. We get what we deserve. :aok:

[weecounty hibby]

Prime Minister Truss. We get what we deserve. :aok:

I don’t believe we do. Scotland doesn't vote for these crooks and hasn't since 1955. Cue incoming cries of but its a UK vote etc. I ****ing know and that's why we need to gtf out!!

Edit and actually very few people will actually be voting for her as PM. Tories and only Tories crowning the new ruler.

[DaveF]

I don’t believe we do. Scotland doesn't vote for these crooks and hasn't since 1955. Cue incoming cries of but its a UK vote etc. I ****ing know and that's why we need to gtf out!!

Edit and actually very few people will actually be voting for her as PM. Tories and only Tories crowning the new ruler.

Heseltine was on telly yesterday criticising the election process, saying that having 150k, mostly old, mostly right wing people picking the next PM was a load of old bollocks.

Not quite in those terms but you get the idea.

[Paul1642]

I don’t believe we do. Scotland doesn't vote for these crooks and hasn't since 1955. Cue incoming cries of but its a UK vote etc. I ****ing know and that's why we need to gtf out!!

Edit and actually very few people will actually be voting for her as PM. Tories and only Tories crowning the new ruler.

To be fair we have had quite a few PMs who were not the leader at the time of the election. It’s is it a side effect our democracy where we elect the party. It’s better than a GE every time there is a change of leadership. I might remember incorrectly but did Sturgeon not take over form Salmond mid term?

They tend to go on to win the next GE anyway.

[Smartie]

To be fair we have had quite a few PMs who were not the leader at the time of the election. It’s is it a side effect our democracy where we elect the party. It’s better than a GE every time there is a change of leadership. I might remember incorrectly but did Sturgeon not take over form Salmond mid term?

They tend to go on to win the next GE anyway.

I was thinking it was a far from ideal state of affairs, but then the alternative (ie the change in leader bringing about a GE) would never have seen the Tories oust Johnson mid term, leaving us with a totally unsuitable PM.

(Accepting that all of these candidates will leave us with an unsuitable PM, just a different one).

[Kato]

A reminder that it was Tobias Ellwood, who lost the Tory whip yesterday, who dragged Johnson over the coals last year re-defence spending.

This was when Johnson said it was silly to think there would be tank battles on the European land mass any time soon.

Makes him look like the ill prepared idiot he is.

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1461044674550972421?t=3q-HTVNGxRfyOmGAf7kzwA&s=19

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[Stairway 2 7]

A reminder that it was Tobias Ellwood, who lost the Tory whip yesterday, who dragged Johnson over the coals last year re-defence spending.

This was when Johnson said it was silly to think there would be tank battles on the European land mass any time soon.

Makes him look like the ill prepared idiot he is.

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1461044674550972421?t=3q-HTVNGxRfyOmGAf7kzwA&s=19

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Tanks have been shown up in Ukraine, Russia has lost over 800, more than UK, France and italy's combined tank numbers. They cost millions each and have been destroyed by £50,000 nlaws and Javelins.

I think Russia being so poor should show us we should spend less on military. But of course every nation is doing the opposite and is increasing the budget and spending billions on weapons when people are starving

[Moulin Yarns]

Tanks have been shown in Ukraine up Russia has lost over 800, more than UK, France and italy's combined tank numbers. They cost millions each and have been destroyed by £50,000 nlaws and Javelins.

I think Russia being so poor should show us we should spend less on military. But of course every nation is doing the opposite and is increasing the budget and spending billions on weapons when people are starving

We'll just have to bite the bullet. 😉

[Kato]

Tanks have been shown up in Ukraine, Russia has lost over 800, more than UK, France and italy's combined tank numbers. They cost millions each and have been destroyed by £50,000 nlaws and Javelins.

I think Russia being so poor should show us we should spend less on military. But of course every nation is doing the opposite and is increasing the budget and spending billions on weapons when people are starvingIs that the only "either/or" situation?

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[grunt]

WTF is going on???

https://humanists.uk/2022/07/19/abortion-deleted-from-uk-government-organised-international-human-rights-statement/


A UK Government-organised multinational statement (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/freedom-of-religion-or-belief-and-gender-equality-statement-at-the-international-ministerial-conference-2022/statement-on-freedom-of-religion-or-belief-and-gender-equality) committing to the fundamental rights of women and girls has been amended to remove references to ‘sexual and reproductive health and rights’ and ‘bodily autonomy’. The statement was issued by the UK as part of an intergovernmental conference (https://www.gov.uk/government/topical-events/international-ministerial-conference-on-freedom-of-religion-or-belief-london-2022) it hosted in London on 5-6 July.

The original statement was issued as part of the 2022 International Ministerial Conference on FoRB (https://www.gov.uk/government/topical-events/international-ministerial-conference-on-freedom-of-religion-or-belief-london-2022). It gave a commitment to abolishing discriminatory laws that ‘restrict women’s and girls’ full and equal enjoyment of all human rights, including sexual and reproductive health and rights, bodily autonomy’. It also said it would ‘support and build capacities of local religious and belief leaders to… ensure access to sexual and reproductive health and rights’.

However, it has now been revised (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/freedom-of-religion-or-belief-and-gender-equality-statement-at-the-international-ministerial-conference-2022/statement-on-freedom-of-religion-or-belief-and-gender-equality), removing all references to ‘sexual and reproductive rights’ and ‘bodily autonomy’.

[Ozyhibby]

WTF is going on???

https://humanists.uk/2022/07/19/abortion-deleted-from-uk-government-organised-international-human-rights-statement/

It’s just the way the UK is going. Suck it up, as the Scottish Secretary would say.


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[hibsbollah]

WTF is going on???

https://humanists.uk/2022/07/19/abortion-deleted-from-uk-government-organised-international-human-rights-statement/

I’m not 100% sure but the Foreign Office I think had that brief and Truss was the For Secretary at that time and was the keynote speaker. So probably has her populist paws all over it. Jesus. Anti abortionists in power in the UK, WTAF.

[Kato]

WTF is going on???

https://humanists.uk/2022/07/19/abortion-deleted-from-uk-government-organised-international-human-rights-statement/Culture wars.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Christ, Johnson really thinks he's going to come back, doesn't he? :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

Christ, Johnson really thinks he's going to come back, doesn't he? :confused:

If Truss gets in then it will be like he never left.


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[Bostonhibby]

Mission largely accomplished.

So we finally get to know what the Russians said to bonehead at the famous meeting in ledbedev's villa.

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[stu in nottingham]

Christ, Johnson really thinks he's going to come back, doesn't he? :confused:

Haven't followed events today as yet but I've always felt he would believe that. I think that little snake, Cummings referred to similar. His methods have always employed hanging on and hanging on until opinion changes and people forget (sometimes wilfully) the truth of events.

[neil7908]

Mission largely accomplished.

So we finally get to know what the Russians said to bonehead at the famous meeting in ledbedev's villa.

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I guess that'll be Russia out of Ukraine then. Wait, what's that, the war is still ongoing?

[Moulin Yarns]

As expected Sunak v truss for the Tory members to vote on

[Bostonhibby]

I guess that'll be Russia out of Ukraine then. Wait, what's that, the war is still ongoing?Yep, I'm particularly liking how he's got Brexit done and sorted out the N I protocol. What a guy, what a legacy.

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[ronaldo7]

As expected Sunak v truss for the Tory members to vote on

Truss will be the next PM

Pork Markets.

[LewysGot2]

To be fair we have had quite a few PMs who were not the leader at the time of the election. It’s is it a side effect our democracy where we elect the party. It’s better than a GE every time there is a change of leadership. I might remember incorrectly but did Sturgeon not take over form Salmond mid term?

They tend to go on to win the next GE anyway.

Think Sturgeon was appointed unopposed after his resignation 2014.

[hibsbollah]

Truss will be the next PM

Pork Markets.


That. Is a. Disgrace.

[Mr Grieves]

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1549771720302764032?t=kbh-ouPSSfLvfD2qVdkInw&s=19

"I'm ready to hit the ground from day one"

:faf:

[hibsbollah]

Interestingly (or maybe not) quite a few Badenoch supporters switched to Sunak, not Truss as expected. It really isnt a 'left' 'right' contest (such terms are meaningless, Sunak is no-ones leftie) its just based on personalities and probably who they hate least.

But now its down to the curtain twitching, blue rinse, south east England cardie wearing garden centre frequenting ******s' call.

[Mon Dieu4]

Interestingly (or maybe not) quite a few Badenoch supporters switched to Sunak, not Truss as expected. It really isnt a 'left' 'right' contest (such terms are meaningless, Sunak is no-ones leftie) its just based on personalities and probably who they hate least.

But now its down to the curtain twitching, blue rinse, south east England cardie wearing garden centre frequenting ******s' call.

Seems like the MPs like Sunak more than the party members if some of the polling is to be believed, could be a landslide for Truss

[BroxburnHibee]

Interestingly (or maybe not) quite a few Badenoch supporters switched to Sunak, not Truss as expected. It really isnt a 'left' 'right' contest (such terms are meaningless, Sunak is no-ones leftie) its just based on personalities and probably who they hate least.

But now its down to the curtain twitching, blue rinse, south east England cardie wearing garden centre frequenting ******s' call.

There is zero chance they vote for Sunak.

Either of them is a gift to Labour though

[hibsbollah]

Seems like the MPs like Sunak more than the party members if some of the polling is to be believed, could be a landslide for Truss

Thats what it looks like. All Trussed up.

[Mon Dieu4]

Thats what it looks like. All Trussed up.

What could possibly go wrong with a PM who thinks it's acceptable to put her Amazon Prime Subscription on her Expenses, Putin will be leaving the Ukraine as we speak

[Bostonhibby]

What could possibly go wrong with a PM who thinks it's acceptable to put her Amazon Prime Subscription on her Expenses, Putin will be leaving the Ukraine as we speakHopefully she will find out what is and isn't Russian sovereign territory before she replaces Bozo as leader of the world.

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[JeMeSouviens]

There is zero chance they vote for Sunak.

Either of them is a gift to Labour though

They very obviously should pick Sunak, so it's bound to be Truss. God help us.

[neil7908]

They very obviously should pick Sunak, so it's bound to be Truss. God help us.

I was laughing about Truss being PM a couple of weeks ago. And now here we are.

Jesus Christ, what has happened to this country?

[hibsbollah]

I was laughing about Truss being PM a couple of weeks ago. And now here we are.

Jesus Christ, what has happened to this country?

I stand by my belief that Truss isn’t any fundamentally worse or better than the other ten or however many Tories that entered the contest. Quality of contestant is irrelevant. It is an illusion of choice. The saner, One Nation type Tories were already turfed out of the party in 2019 or whenever it was, time is harder to measure post Covid! But what we’re looking at is a Trumpian Tory party.

They will all strip the NHS, the post office, the rail network of funding.
They will all continue to curtail the right to protest.
They will all continue to facilitate the dismemberment of public good at the expense of private profit.
They will all increase the homeless.
They will all increase the billionaires.

Stop me when you’re bored.
But the main thing is it’s NOT, under any circumstances, that nutter Jeremy Corbyn.

[Kato]

I stand by my belief that Truss isn’t any fundamentally worse or better than the other ten or however many Tories that entered the contest. Quality of contestant is irrelevant. It is an illusion of choice. The saner, One Nation type Tories were already turfed out of the party in 2019 or whenever it was, time is harder to measure post Covid! But what we’re looking at is a Trumpian Tory party.

They will all strip the NHS, the post office, the rail network of funding.
They will all continue to curtail the right to protest.
They will all continue to facilitate the dismemberment of public good at the expense of private profit.
They will all increase the homeless.
They will all increase the billionaires.

Stop me when you’re bored.
But the main thing is it’s NOT, under any circumstances, that nutter Jeremy Corbyn.Says it all. Johnson was a great tool of distraction for them. The next tool has the same puppety job. They aren't there to govern with this version of the Torys it's all about keeping people divided and their eyes off the money.

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[stoneyburn hibs]

Truss please
James will have his 60% in no time.

[James310]

Truss please
James will have his 60% in no time.

Lol, Truss will be an awful PM. But if support for Indy doesn't move after Boris Johnson and Brexit I am not sure a few years of Liz Truss will make any difference. The Scottish people are too clever and understand no matter who is the PM it doesn't answer the questions that remain outstanding regards Indy.

One thing it will do is expedite a Labour victory and possibly an overall majority. No need for Labour to do any deals with anyone. 👍

[stoneyburn hibs]

Lol, Truss will be an awful PM. But if support for Indy doesn't move after Boris Johnson and Brexit I am not sure a few years of Liz Truss will make any difference. The Scottish people are too clever and understand no matter who is the PM it doesn't answer the questions that remain outstanding regards Indy.

One thing it will do is expedite a Labour victory and possibly an overall majority. No need for Labour to do any deals with anyone. 👍

Will you reveal on here as to which one your party vote is going to?

[James310]

Will you reveal on here as to which one your party vote is going to?

Never been a member of any political party in my life.

[grunt]

Never been a member of any political party in my life.

That's not what was asked.

Although I'm not a fan of asking who people vote for. That's private, imo.

[James310]

That's not what was asked.

Although I'm not a fan of asking who people vote for. That's private, imo.

Yes it was, he asked where my party vote was going. What did he ask if not that?

[Jack]

I stand by my belief that Truss isn’t any fundamentally worse or better than the other ten or however many Tories that entered the contest. Quality of contestant is irrelevant. It is an illusion of choice. The saner, One Nation type Tories were already turfed out of the party in 2019 or whenever it was, time is harder to measure post Covid! But what we’re looking at is a Trumpian Tory party.

They will all strip the NHS, the post office, the rail network of funding.
They will all continue to curtail the right to protest.
They will all continue to facilitate the dismemberment of public good at the expense of private profit.
They will all increase the homeless.
They will all increase the billionaires.

Stop me when you’re bored.
But the main thing is it’s NOT, under any circumstances, that nutter Jeremy Corbyn.

You shouldn't have stopped before increasing the need for food banks. Were there any before the torys last got in?

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's going to be Dim Lizzie, who will quickly be found out as incapable of doing the job. She is notorious for being lazy and not mastering her brief. She is terrible in interviews and debates. For those of us who want the Tories out it's a good result; for the country it's a disaster.

[Hibernia&Alba]

By the way, the dirty tricks between Sunak and Truss will be brutal in the coming weeks. It was those two who leaked against Mordaunt when it became clear she was the favourite amongst party members. It's going to get very dirty, which will further undermine the Tories :aok:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Ah, Dim Lizzie. Inflation now at the highest it's been in thirty-odd years, at 9.4%. Both Sunak and Truss say their top priority is dealing with the problem. Lizzie's genius plan: cut taxes immediately to please the Tory right wing, which will do what in relation to inflation during a cost of living crisis.....

Answers on a postcard to J.M. Keynes, turning in his grave, London.

[hibsbollah]

You shouldn't have stopped before increasing the need for food banks. Were there any before the torys last got in?

41,000 people used food banks the last year of Gordon Browns administration in 2010. Last year? 2.1million.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/382695/uk-foodbank-users/

[Moulin Yarns]

🚨 NEW 🚨

Russell T Davies’ acceptance speech for “It’s a Sin” at the South Bank Sky Arts Awards…

“While I’ve got this stage, this was made by Channel 4. Public service broadcaster dedicated to making this sort of programme. We know the government has said they’re going to sell that off. I know the government is wounded at the moment, but it’s like a wounded dog. A wounded dog bites everyone and the rabies will spread. We’re still in danger.

They have said they are selling Channel 4, and they have said they are selling the license fee by 2027 and we have to realise that things the Tories say they will do, they do. They are very good at that. We are all full of doubt, they are not. They will do this, it is wrong. I know I’m speaking to the converted but there’s money in this room, and that means there’s Tory voters in here. You are here, and you are certainly watching at home. So please know you are voting for murderers, *******s, abusers and liars.”

[lapsedhibee]

🚨 NEW 🚨

Russell T Davies’ acceptance speech for “It’s a Sin” at the South Bank Sky Arts Awards…

“While I’ve got this stage, this was made by Channel 4. Public service broadcaster dedicated to making this sort of programme. We know the government has said they’re going to sell that off. I know the government is wounded at the moment, but it’s like a wounded dog. A wounded dog bites everyone and the rabies will spread. We’re still in danger.

They have said they are selling Channel 4, and they have said they are selling the license fee by 2027 and we have to realise that things the Tories say they will do, they do. They are very good at that. We are all full of doubt, they are not. They will do this, it is wrong. I know I’m speaking to the converted but there’s money in this room, and that means there’s Tory voters in here. You are here, and you are certainly watching at home. So please know you are voting for murderers, *******s, abusers and liars.”

Seems to have gone down ok with the audience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYuZghrRF4U

[Hibernia&Alba]

Straight out of the Dubya Bush school of stupid:


https://youtu.be/srHNcNoEJ9g

[Stairway 2 7]

@OprosUK
·
22h
Westminster Voting Intention:

*Truss as Conservative Leader*

LAB: 37% (+4)
CON: 25% (-20)
LDM: 16% (+4)
GRN: 9% (+6)
REF: 3% (+1)

Approval Ratings:

Boris Johnson (CON): 28% (-3)
Keir Starmer (LAB): 27% (-1)

[Stairway 2 7]

Maggots

Kwasi Kwarteng

Today we changed the law to allow businesses impacted by strike action to hire skilled, temporary workers to mitigate disruption.

This was a criminal offence. Now it’s an option for business.

We will not let trade unions grind our economy to a halt.

👉🏾 https://gov.uk/government/news/new-law-in-place-to-allow-businesses-to-hire-agency-workers-to-plug-staffing-gaps-caused-by-strike-action

[Hibrandenburg]

Maggots

Kwasi Kwarteng

Today we changed the law to allow businesses impacted by strike action to hire skilled, temporary workers to mitigate disruption.

This was a criminal offence. Now it’s an option for business.

We will not let trade unions grind our economy to a halt.

👉🏾 https://gov.uk/government/news/new-law-in-place-to-allow-businesses-to-hire-agency-workers-to-plug-staffing-gaps-caused-by-strike-action

They won't be happy until all us plebs have to have 2 jobs to survive or are eating from food banks.

[Hibernia&Alba]

They won't be happy until all us plebs have to have 2 jobs to survive or are eating from food banks.

Absolutely. That's the American model and the one they wish to emulate. The EU, with its directives on workers rights had to go, in order for disaster capitalism to properly arrive. Remember Patel saying British workers should be competing against Indian and Chinese [sweatshop] workers.

The same hypocrites who condemned the P&O fire and re-hire scheme just a few months ago, now pass a law to legalise it. *****.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm glad this ain't going away, yet

Boris could be KICKED OUT of Parliament by voters following Commons probe into Partygate 'lies' (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-could-be-kicked-out-of-parliament-by-voters-following-commons-probe-into-partygate-lies/ar-AAZOUC3?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=47992fd6d8914e7190d2a3cbd7d7f735)



Boris Johnson (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/boris_johnson/index.html) could face being kicked out of Parliament by voters if he's found to have lied over Partygate (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/partygate/index.html), a cross-party committee of MPs warned today.
The outgoing Prime Minister is being probed by the House of Commons' Privileges Committee over his past denials of Covid rule-breaking in Downing Street (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/downing-street/index.html).
The Committee has now revealed Mr Johnson could have to fight a by-election in his Uxbridge and South Ruislip constituency if he's punished as a result of their investigation into whether he misled MPs.
They also confirmed they will haul the PM before them to be quizzed in person - and under oath - over the Partygate scandal, which they expect to be done in public.


i'm sure we can all look forward to more laughs and lies from Big Dog, he's just a cheeky chappy

[lapsedhibee]

i'm glad this ain't going away, yet

Boris could be KICKED OUT of Parliament by voters following Commons probe into Partygate 'lies' (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-could-be-kicked-out-of-parliament-by-voters-following-commons-probe-into-partygate-lies/ar-AAZOUC3?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=47992fd6d8914e7190d2a3cbd7d7f735)



Boris Johnson (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/boris_johnson/index.html) could face being kicked out of Parliament by voters if he's found to have lied over Partygate (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/partygate/index.html), a cross-party committee of MPs warned today.
The outgoing Prime Minister is being probed by the House of Commons' Privileges Committee over his past denials of Covid rule-breaking in Downing Street (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/downing-street/index.html).
The Committee has now revealed Mr Johnson could have to fight a by-election in his Uxbridge and South Ruislip constituency if he's punished as a result of their investigation into whether he misled MPs.
They also confirmed they will haul the PM before them to be quizzed in person - and under oath - over the Partygate scandal, which they expect to be done in public.


i'm sure we can all look forward to more laughs and lies from Big Dog, he's just a cheeky chappy
Let's hope the potential ignominy of being sacked by his constituents doesn't detract from the sort of focus that should be on Johnson, namely whether or not he should be jailed for misconduct in public office.

[Stairway 2 7]

@darrenmccaffrey
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1h
🗳NEW CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS POLL

Liz Truss extends lead over Rishi Sunak for next leader (
@YouGov
)

Liz Truss: 62%
Rishi Sunak: 38%

[Bostonhibby]

Ah, Dim Lizzie. Inflation now at the highest it's been in thirty-odd years, at 9.4%. Both Sunak and Truss say their top priority is dealing with the problem. Lizzie's genius plan: cut taxes immediately to please the Tory right wing, which will do what in relation to inflation during a cost of living crisis.....

Answers on a postcard to J.M. Keynes, turning in his grave, London.If only she'd thunk all this wonderful stuff during her long career as part of the gang and not voted in favour of what Bozo actually did that got us to where we are today.

This Dullard had the answer to all our problems all along, whodathunkit.

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[wookie70]

41,000 people used food banks the last year of Gordon Browns administration in 2010. Last year? 2.1million.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/382695/uk-foodbank-users/

I wonder how many of those 41000 were working full time in the public services. Very few if any I would say. It is also extremely surprising the number is substantially down this year from last year's high. That makes no sense to me

[hibsbollah]

I wonder how many of those 41000 were working full time in the public services. Very few if any I would say. It is also extremely surprising the number is substantially down this year from last year's high. That makes no sense to me

I think it’s Covid. Lockdown meant food parcels given went down while numbers of people reporting food insecurity kept going up.

[Kato]

Errrm, sovereignty.

https://twitter.com/indy100/status/1550509949838495744?t=uX9NM0nBPtuuo_G16Ohyaw&s=19

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[Scorrie]

Sunak saying that the UK is in crisis and he would put the country on a “crisis footing”. His party has been in power for 12 years now so we know where the fault lies. Some brass neck on him

[cabbageandribs1875]

Boris Johnson’s plan to create large number of new peers comes under fire | House of Lords | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/23/boris-johnsons-plan-to-create-large-number-of-new-peers-comes-under-fire)

Big Dog WILL have the last laugh, sure i'm not the only one that already knew,even before his resignation, he would put a whole rake of total undesirables in the House of the Gravy Train as his last parting Gift :agree: Dorries the Nodding Dug was always going to be a certainty, Pinocchio has already appointed 86 Parasites.


It is understood that he wants to hand peerages to Nigel Adams, a Cabinet Office minister and one of his closest allies, and the culture secretary, Nadine Dorries, one of his most loyal cabinet colleagues.

Analysis in 2020 found that almost a quarter of peerages awarded that year were to Conservative party donors, close associates or former colleagues of Johnson (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/boris-johnson) including businessman Peter Cruddas who was ennobled in defiance of advice from the House of Lords

[Colr]

Boris Johnson’s plan to create large number of new peers comes under fire | House of Lords | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/23/boris-johnsons-plan-to-create-large-number-of-new-peers-comes-under-fire)

Big Dog WILL have the last laugh, sure i'm not the only one that already knew,even before his resignation, he would put a whole rake of total undesirables in the House of the Gravy Train as his last parting Gift :agree: Dorries the Nodding Dug was always going to be a certainty, Pinocchio has already appointed 86 Parasites.


It is understood that he wants to hand peerages to Nigel Adams, a Cabinet Office minister and one of his closest allies, and the culture secretary, Nadine Dorries, one of his most loyal cabinet colleagues.

Analysis in 2020 found that almost a quarter of peerages awarded that year were to Conservative party donors, close associates or former colleagues of Johnson (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/boris-johnson) including businessman Peter Cruddas who was ennobled in defiance of advice from the House of Lords

You reckon he boffed Dorries? I can beleive it. Keunsberg is another one of his blond acolytes. I could believe that as well. He’s got form after all and the scruples of an unspayed alley cat.

[Scorrie]

You reckon he boffed Dorries? I can beleive it. Keunsberg is another one of his blond acolytes. I could believe that as well. He’s got form after all and the scruples of an unspayed alley cat.

That’s an image in my head I could really do without…

[Hibbyradge]

You reckon he boffed Dorries? I can beleive it. Keunsberg is another one of his blond acolytes. I could believe that as well. He’s got form after all and the scruples of an unspayed alley cat.

While Johnson may have no scruples, I don't think your comments are fair to Keunsberg.

Or James Kelly for that matter.

[blackpoolhibs]

https://www.facebook.com/827268583/videos/779087333540429

[Moulin Yarns]

Murray chalmers resigned from the courier over censorship of his opinion piece.


I resigned from writing my Courier columns because they rejected this one below and asked me to rewrite it. I refused. It’s an opinion column and this is my opinion of the Tories, whether they like it or not. Find me now on substack, not in the Courier. https://t.co/4ztPefoXyu

[OldEast]

Murray chalmers resigned from the courier over censorship of his opinion piece.


I resigned from writing my Courier columns because they rejected this one below and asked me to rewrite it. I refused. It’s an opinion column and this is my opinion of the Tories, whether they like it or not. Find me now on substack, not in the Courier. https://t.co/4ztPefoXyu

**** the Courier. Can't be too hard hitting or critical of these monsters enough for me. Good piece.

[marinello59]

**** the Courier. Can't be too hard hitting or critical of these monsters enough for me. Good piece.

It’s awful. It looks like it wasn’t his opinion that was the problem, it definitely needed a rewrite.

[lapsedhibee]

It’s awful. It looks like it wasn’t his opinion that was the problem, it definitely needed a rewrite.

Yes, bit surprised to see comments praising its 'eloquence'.

[DaveF]

It’s awful. It looks like it wasn’t his opinion that was the problem, it definitely needed a rewrite.

Man rants at state of the country. Can't say I disagree with too much of it.

[marinello59]

Man rants at state of the country. Can't say I disagree with too much of it.

Neither do I. Not the point I was making though.

[SHODAN]

Sunak saying that the UK is in crisis and he would put the country on a “crisis footing”. His party has been in power for 12 years now so we know where the fault lies. Some brass neck on him

And yet they'll still retort that the Labour government of twelve years ago (and counting) is responsible for literally everything to do with the economy and the papers will repeat this uncritically. If Cameron were somehow still PM he'd still be waving that stupid ****ing "no money left" note every opportunity he got.

[CropleyWasGod]

This is behind a paywall, but the headline looks interesting.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rwanda-priti-patel-parliamentary-committee-b2130743.html

[Ozyhibby]

This is behind a paywall, but the headline looks interesting.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rwanda-priti-patel-parliamentary-committee-b2130743.html

With Rwanda capping the number at 200 and it costing £120m plus logistic and legal costs, it means this scheme is costing £600k per person to send to Africa.
I reckon that if we are that full up, at that price there would surely be no shortage of people wishing to move abroad? Give me £600k and I’d be off like a shot.


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[Jack]

With Rwanda capping the number at 200 and it costing £120m plus logistic and legal costs, it means this scheme is costing £600k per person to send to Africa.
I reckon that if we are that full up, at that price there would surely be no shortage of people wishing to move abroad? Give me £600k and I’d be off like a shot.


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I heard the UK government has already spent £180,000,000 on this abhorrent policy.

[Mon Dieu4]

Sunak isn't doing himself any favours here by coming over as an entitled little erky (which he is)

Clearly he's not used to being told no

[Chuck Rhoades]

Sunak isn't doing himself any favours here by coming over as an entitled little erky (which he is)

Clearly he's not used to being told no

He’s making a tit of himself here… he’s lost it!

[James310]

I switched off as both are making an arse of themselves. Labour landslide on it's way.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Loathe both of them but sunak is running circles around Truss with anything to do with taxes


my goodness they both absolutely despise anything to do with the EU huh, inc Truss who was an avid remainer, desperate to please rich tory Donors

[blackpoolhibs]

Sunack is taking the piss out of truss, he's not letting her speak, and she's too weak to get her voice heard.

[Hiber-nation]

This is actually tragic. They're ripping each other apart in their "I'm more right wing that you" contest and if Labour had a half decent leader the next Election would be a landslide.

Sunak is as big a bull****ter as you can get and she's just clueless.

[cabbageandribs1875]

whenever i see/hear Truss

i see Margaret Thatcher :boo hoo:

awful

[Kato]

Zero humility, the pair a thum. Brag, brag, brag as though they've been doing a great job.

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[lapsedhibee]

Sizeist, but ...

"Imagine how much more expensive Rishi's suit would have been if he'd had to buy it from the adult-sized section of the shop"

[Mon Dieu4]

We are ****ed no matter which of these two get in

[Hiber-nation]

Truss: "All elections are the subject of debate and discussion". Are they aye??

[blackpoolhibs]

Truss: "All elections are the subject of debate and discussion". Are they aye??

She's like a thunderbirds puppet the way she moves from side to side, with about the same substance.

[grunt]

They spent more time discussing clothes than they did on Brexit.

[James310]

They should have announced before the programme started "The following programme is a party political broadcast by the Labour Party"

[neil7908]

They should have announced before the programme started "The following programme is a party political broadcast by the Labour Party"

😂😂

[ronaldo7]

They should have announced before the programme started "The following programme is a party political broadcast by the Labour Party"

Can't really tell the difference between the two of them. Labour/tory, not Truss/ Sunak.

[James310]

Can't really tell the difference between the two of them. Labour/tory, not Truss/ Sunak.

I think the voting public will think differently. I know a Labour victory is bad news for the SNP though. I am sure most SNP folk, but not all, would love the Tory's to win again.

Who would you want? Labour or the Tory's in power after the next General Election?

[ronaldo7]

I think the voting public will think differently. I know a Labour victory is bad news for the SNP though. I am sure most SNP folk, but not all, would love the Tory's to win again.

Who would you want? Labour or the Tory's in power after the next General Election?

I know you've worked hard over the last few months, with a few posts saying you hope for a labour victory in the next GE, having previously voted tory. Something you hope stunts the growth of the independence movement, but neither party interests me, as, I hope to have voted for independence in 2023, so 2024 will be for England, Wales, and NI to worry about.

[James310]

I know you've worked hard over the last few months, with a few posts saying you hope for a labour victory in the next GE. Something you hope strunts the growth of the independence movement, but neither party interests me, as, I hope to have voted for independence in 2023, so 2024 will be for England, Wales, and NI to worry about.

I am still unclear what party you want to win but thanks for the answer.

[ronaldo7]

I am still unclear what party you want to win but thanks for the answer.

I live in Scotland. I've got 59 MPs currently representing my country. I hope the SNP win them all.

[cabbageandribs1875]

:hilarious

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/294467381_2959155057717212_7921169007658688140_n.j pg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=wphfp64COEkAX9ss19G&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-uC2da6du9LQpN18fqCufpQ9zk8PqoWa7UGfmw4pJv6A&oe=62E4C38C

[J-C]

Can anyone explain why these debates are on TV when it's the Tory members who are voting for it, the rest of the UK don't give a monkey's who wins as they are both still dirty, lying, horrible Tories.

[Since90+2]

Can anyone explain why these debates are on TV when it's the Tory members who are voting for it, the rest of the UK don't give a monkey's who wins as they are both still dirty, lying, horrible Tories.

Because whoever wins will be the next Prime Minister so quite a few people probably care who wins even if they can't vote.

The viewership last night will have been many millions, so quite a few clearly do give a toss.

[lapsedhibee]

The UK's Minister for Culture cannot spell 'losing' or 'faze'. And more importantly is not bright or self-aware enough to get someone else to check her tweets before sending.

Maybe she'll be foreign secretary, or chancellor, when Truss wins the PMship. What a prospect!

Nadine Dorries
@NadineDorries
·
13h
Rishi really needs to stop talking over #Liz4Leader #LeadersDebate

It’s a terrible look.

He’s irritable, aggressive, bad tempered.

He’s loosing it.


Nadine Dorries
@NadineDorries
·
12h
Here he goes again.
Interrupting, talking #Liz4Leader down.

She’s been in the cabinet a long time, she’s used to this. He won’t phase her.
#LeadersDebate

[H18S NX]

I watched it last night,thought Sunak was over the top interrupting Truss all the time,the presenter did'nt help matters either,she kept saying let Rishi speak when Truss was making a point,imo.

[cabbageandribs1875]

keep pressing :agree:

The Met Police have, at last, admitted they did not send questionnaires to the Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, before deciding not to fine him for attending a gathering in No.10 on 13 November 2020 or a gathering in the Cabinet Office on 17 December 2020.
According to Sue Gray, at the November gathering the Prime Minister gave a leaving speech for Lee Cain, his Director of Communications. Wine was provided and those attending, including the Prime Minister, drank alcohol. There are a number of photographs of the event. The Prime Minister also attended the December 2020 gathering, where wine was also provided, and made a speech. The Met have issued other attendees at both events with fines.

In their formal pleaded reply to our legal challenge, the Met admit they did not send the PM questionnaires, but continue to fail to provide any explanation of how they cleared the Prime Minister.
Rishi Sunak’s Partygate fine suggests that passing through a gathering en route to a meeting doesn’t prevent you from being fined, so it’s far from clear how turning up to a gathering deliberately, raising a toast and encouraging the revels to continue can be compliant with the law.

We don’t think the Met’s response is consistent with their legal duty of candour. And we certainly don’t think it’s consistent with what the Met has elsewhere conceded is their public duty to maintain public confidence in policing.

In the circumstances, Good Law Project and Lord Paddick will continue with the judicial review.

[neil7908]

I think the voting public will think differently. I know a Labour victory is bad news for the SNP though. I am sure most SNP folk, but not all, would love the Tory's to win again.

Who would you want? Labour or the Tory's in power after the next General Election?

With Starmer as Labour leader I think it'll be better for the country (although only marginally so) and therefore I would prefer him as leader if we had a two party, Presidential system like the US. He however won't be getting my vote as it'll go to another party on the left.

However, thinking about independence, his attitude to Scotland is just as damaging for unionism as the Tories. He's made clear what he personally and therefore as leader, his party think of the SNP and its voters. That might win him an election but playing to the middle England and demonising Scotland's most popular party by some margin will only increase support for independence imo.

[wookie70]

I really hope this catches on. https://www.thenational.scot/news/20435898.watch-ufc-star-molly-mccann-get-huge-crowd-chanting-f-tories-win-02-arena/?fbclid=IwAR3tVir7Kdv2q6TXXlc0M8-9d9pCIM5VnkNlr-CS6HIqrWkfRxi1GgkyPV0

[hibsbollah]

‘As far as I am aware’ I didn’t discuss any official business with Lebedev at the party, saysBoris.

A call was arranged between Boris and foreign minister Lavrov, but apparently Boris forgot, or fell asleep, or something.

I knew all those stories about Corbyn being in bed with the Russians were true…No wait, wrong guy.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

With Starmer as Labour leader I think it'll be better for the country (although only marginally so) and therefore I would prefer him as leader if we had a two party, Presidential system like the US. He however won't be getting my vote as it'll go to another party on the left.

However, thinking about independence, his attitude to Scotland is just as damaging for unionism as the Tories. He's made clear what he personally and therefore as leader, his party think of the SNP and its voters. That might win him an election but playing to the middle England and demonising Scotland's most popular party by some margin will only increase support for independence imo.

His attitude to Scotland gives Labour no chance of winning an election, it must be nigh on impossible without having the Scottish electorate onside.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Exclusive: Liz Truss urged Dominic Cummings to scrap hundreds of ‘woke’ Civil Service posts (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/exclusive-liz-truss-urged-dominic-cummings-to-scrap-hundreds-of-woke-civil-service-posts/ar-AAZZ3Jz?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6e79545e5f614d8e85f315f0d21ef758)


Liz thatch, i mean Truss, urged Dominic Cummings to scrap Hundreds of "woke" Civil Service posts as she vowed to stand up to Whitehall Groupthink

[J-C]

Exclusive: Liz Truss urged Dominic Cummings to scrap hundreds of ‘woke’ Civil Service posts (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/exclusive-liz-truss-urged-dominic-cummings-to-scrap-hundreds-of-woke-civil-service-posts/ar-AAZZ3Jz?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6e79545e5f614d8e85f315f0d21ef758)


Liz thatch, i mean Truss, urged Dominic Cummings to scrap Hundreds of "woke" Civil Service posts as she vowed to stand up to Whitehall Groupthink

Her attire and demeanor is Thatcher inspired, this lady is for turning, on all her previous beliefs.

[grunt]

Dorries on R4 this morning saying that the Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth Games is the biggest sporting event in the UK since Olympics 2012.

[neil7908]

Dorries on R4 this morning saying that the Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth Games is the biggest sporting event in the UK since Olympics 2012.

I sincerely hope that once she is out of Government we never hear from her again.

[Andy Bee]

I sincerely hope that once she is out of Government we never hear from her again.


She's a shoe in for the House of Lords

[lapsedhibee]

Dorries on R4 this morning saying that the Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth Games is the biggest sporting event in the UK since Olympics 2012.

I clearly remember Wilkinson's last-gasp drop shot in the 2014 Games final.

[heretoday]

She's a shoe in for the House of Lords

I'd willingly apply the shoe that boots her in.

[CropleyWasGod]

I clearly remember Wilkinson's last-gasp drop shot in the 2014 Games final.

That the rugby league one?

[lapsedhibee]

That the rugby league one?

One or other of the sportball codes.

[cabbageandribs1875]

today's private eye...(1) timhills on Twitter: "From today's Private Eye. https://t.co/JYqInaOchU" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/timhills/status/1552244474151141376?t=-Yq1YA19G25nCSnAAGJAIQ&s=04&fbclid=IwAR3zEQdPMm0kuRIF484qf5piomIMCvW3_yvXmpBZA cu6YtB8B-O7z1u_Lns)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYquH3GWAAIgAxB?format=jpg&name=large

[Bostonhibby]

today's private eye...(1) timhills on Twitter: "From today's Private Eye. https://t.co/JYqInaOchU" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/timhills/status/1552244474151141376?t=-Yq1YA19G25nCSnAAGJAIQ&s=04&fbclid=IwAR3zEQdPMm0kuRIF484qf5piomIMCvW3_yvXmpBZA cu6YtB8B-O7z1u_Lns)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYquH3GWAAIgAxB?format=jpg&name=largeAye, but that's to prepare him for flying when he is still leading the free world in it's fight against Putin, again.

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[Kato]

today's private eye...(1) timhills on Twitter: "From today's Private Eye. https://t.co/JYqInaOchU" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/timhills/status/1552244474151141376?t=-Yq1YA19G25nCSnAAGJAIQ&s=04&fbclid=IwAR3zEQdPMm0kuRIF484qf5piomIMCvW3_yvXmpBZA cu6YtB8B-O7z1u_Lns)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYquH3GWAAIgAxB?format=jpg&name=largeThat's normal. One of the great benefits of being in our precious Union.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

the race to replace Big Dog is over :(

26054

[ronaldo7]

the race to replace Big Dog is over :(

26054

Who's that, Big Blue?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Who's that, Big Blue?


him that broke the 10 commandments

i mean the 10 manifesto pledges


but i do like the Big Blue handle

[CropleyWasGod]

One or other of the sportball codes.

Apparently, the Games will "put Birmingham on the map" .

🙃

[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure if this is the appropriate thread for this, but it made me smile....

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1552020496006479872?t=OP6_PMLUnd4Ah55aBN7GyQ&s=19