Tories are still lying *******s

[Bostonhibby]

I can confirm Douglas/Murray Ross is definitely a plank. :greengrinEqually valid comparison

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[SHODAN]

Still hilarious that the political/media class can't get rid of Johnson after they figured they could just instill him for a year or so to do a job, and that the guy they've teed up to replace him is now no longer viable.

Doesn't matter if he goes or not. Nothing will fundamentally change, just the face of the Party.

[stu in nottingham]

There really are no depths they won't plumb. Fabricant slurs teachers and nurses for 'drinking in the staff room' in order to protect and crawl up to his boss's ass.

This is how people working in the National Health Service get treated after risking their own lives and working in hellish conditions throughout the pandemic (and beyond) in the service of caring and saving lives. The Tory party are beneath contempt.

Nottingham's chief nurse hits out at Conservative MP over drinking comments
(https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/nottinghams-chief-nurse-hits-out-6946328)

[WhileTheChief..]

:paranoid:

:duck:

:hide:

[ronaldo7]

Still hilarious that the political/media class can't get rid of Johnson after they figured they could just instill him for a year or so to do a job, and that the guy they've teed up to replace him is now no longer viable.

Doesn't matter if he goes or not. Nothing will fundamentally change, just the face of the Party.

Spot on.

With every sycophantic knobhead that comes onto our screens in the morning bleating about how Boris is leading the west, and taking the fight to Putin, it just proves that the whole party is corrupt, and without morality. They truly are the Nasty party.

Nothing matters to them but power.

It's not the time, has been re-hashed, and used in any conflict they find themselves in. More's the pity, some folk still vote for the *******s.

:doh::doh::doh:

[ronaldo7]

Operation Rotting Fish...Jed Mercurio and Led by Donkeys. :aok:

https://twitter.com/jed_mercurio/status/1514140372880007169

[gbhibby]

Operation Rotting Fish...Jed Mercurio and Led by Donkeys. :aok:

https://twitter.com/jed_mercurio/status/1514140372880007169
That is absolutely f###### brilliant.

[ronaldo7]

Douglas Ross has denied claims he is 'cynically using the blood of dead Ukrainians as a shield' to defend Boris Johnson

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1514237468177883141

[JimBHibees]

Operation Rotting Fish...Jed Mercurio and Led by Donkeys. :aok:

https://twitter.com/jed_mercurio/status/1514140372880007169

Fantastic

[Ozyhibby]

Tories still attracting new members.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-lib-dem-leader-backs-26704231?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


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[hibsbollah]

Operation Rotting Fish...Jed Mercurio and Led by Donkeys. :aok:

https://twitter.com/jed_mercurio/status/1514140372880007169

Thats the best one yet.

[ronaldo7]

Operation Rotting Fish...Jed Mercurio and Led by Donkeys. :aok:

https://twitter.com/jed_mercurio/status/1514140372880007169


That is absolutely f###### brilliant.


Fantastic


Thats the best one yet.

I wonder if any Tories enjoyed it as much as we did. :greengrin

Come out of the Freezer lads. :wink:

[ronaldo7]

Covid 19 bereaved families for justice letter to the PM.

https://twitter.com/CovidJusticeUK/status/1513938596323069952

"You have paid a fine. Our loved ones paid with their lives."

[WhileTheChief..]

I wonder if any Tories enjoyed it as much as we did. :greengrin

Come out of the Freezer lads. :wink:

I've got that to watch and a podcast featuring Nicola Sturgeon waiting for me when I get home from work.

Will report back later :greengrin

[Berwickhibby]

I've got that to watch and a podcast featuring Nicola Sturgeon waiting for me when I get home from work.

Will report back later :greengrin

Perhaps she has an update on the Ferries 🤣🤣

[WhileTheChief..]

Perhaps she has an update on the Ferries 🤣🤣


I'm not gonna touch that topic again. I thought it was a fairly harmless one to discuss, but geezo, it provoked some reactions!

You're on your own!!

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220413/fdae313adef48bfa9dddc699ffb06d25.jpg

Do you think maybe D Ross is some sort of SNP plant?


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Dross just said on the radio that it Boris resigned that would strengthen Putin. Surely a politician in power with scant regard for the truth would be more of an ally for Putin.

[ronaldo7]

Perhaps she has an update on the Ferries 🤣🤣

I think you're away wi the ferries. 😂

[Berwickhibby]

I'm not gonna touch that topic again. I thought it was a fairly harmless one to discuss, but geezo, it provoked some reactions!

You're on your own!!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Berwickhibby]

I think you're away wi the ferries. 😂

Unfortunately there are no finished Ferries to go away on 🤣🤣🤣😂🤣

[ronaldo7]

Unfortunately there are no finished Ferries to go away on 🤣🤣🤣😂🤣

P&O still tied up then. 🚣

[Moulin Yarns]

I think you're away wi the ferries. 😂

😂😂😂😂

[Moulin Yarns]

Unfortunately there are no finished Ferries to go away on 🤣🤣🤣😂🤣

How do Lewismen get to Stornoway from ullapool? 🤔

[JimBHibees]

Dross just said on the radio that it Boris resigned that would strengthen Putin. Surely a politician in power with scant regard for the truth would be more of an ally for Putin.

Incredible comment from Ross that is particularly given Boris's and the Tory parties Russian links

[Stairway 2 7]

We must be alright at building ships for the navy, none in England

George Allison
@geoallison

Here's the naval shipbuilding plan for Scottish shipyards for the period covering 2014 out to 2035, including the status of each programme. It is expected that 26 warships will be launched from Scottish shipyards during this period, including one export order

https://mobile.twitter.com/geoallison/status/1514182586188369924

[Kato]

Tories still attracting new members.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-lib-dem-leader-backs-26704231?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


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[grunt]

Conservative Justice Minister in the House of Lords resigns over Johnson's law breaking

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQPNyl7X0AIYUgP?format=jpg&name=large

[Bostonhibby]

Conservative Justice Minister in the House of Lords resigns over Johnson's law breaking

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQPNyl7X0AIYUgP?format=jpg&name=largeThere are some people of principle in the Tory party, but he's no Dorries, Hancock, Patel etc etc is he.

Well done that man.



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[Just Alf]

Incredible comment from Ross that is particularly given Boris's and the Tory parties Russian linksHe claimed that it could take months, bypassing the fact that in one recent occasion it was almost overnight as the front runner was unopposed.

Surely if they are so supportive of the UK and Ukraine then they'd do that once again and if needed do a new leadership election once tensions on the world stage have eased?

Maybe the Party is more important than the country I guess.....

[Berwickhibby]

How do Lewismen get to Stornoway from ullapool? 🤔

Obviously on vessels not commissioned by the current Government 🤔

[cabbageandribs1875]

(1) Stuzi 🐝🐝🐝 on Twitter: "🤷*♂️👇 https://t.co/roOG5x2jHr" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/Stuzipants/status/1514184115418980352?s=19&fbclid=IwAR0x6nk-l1kl3y2ilDYnq4WQgD1QaXJ9Ce6unwawVaTUMyay8TX2Jiv_-UU)

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278271983_1921970304657279_2971015234655968185_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=KXMEtycBJxEAX8wr4j9&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-zYwW_GWP2Hqr-WP0nnQROITtRw4l3lqc-mordklP6PA&oe=625C6627

[Ozyhibby]

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[Scorrie]

(1) Stuzi 🐝🐝🐝 on Twitter: "🤷*♂️👇 https://t.co/roOG5x2jHr" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/Stuzipants/status/1514184115418980352?s=19&fbclid=IwAR0x6nk-l1kl3y2ilDYnq4WQgD1QaXJ9Ce6unwawVaTUMyay8TX2Jiv_-UU)

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278271983_1921970304657279_2971015234655968185_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=KXMEtycBJxEAX8wr4j9&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-zYwW_GWP2Hqr-WP0nnQROITtRw4l3lqc-mordklP6PA&oe=625C6627

Thought Leicester City were classier than that…

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1514305853209432064?s=21&t=Eb4jQTsN2oEGJsFrHY9m5Q

Some voters in Johnson’s constituency asked if he should resign and if not what it would take for him to lose their support.

You really hope that there’s a level of parody with the different demographics but I suspect not


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[degenerated]

I think you're away wi the ferries. [emoji23]:hilarious

[Stairway 2 7]

Benjamin Cohen
@benjamincohen
·
Two years ago I had to say goodbye to my Grandad over FaceTime and wasn’t allowed to hug my Mum at his funeral. This isn’t something that we are likely to ever forget or forgive


Edwina Currie
@Edwina_Currie
But it won't bring them back either, Ben

[WhileTheChief..]

I wonder if any Tories enjoyed it as much as we did. :greengrin

Come out of the Freezer lads. :wink:

:top marksI'll admit to finding it funny.

Listened to the podcast with Nicola Sturgeon on the way home. It was just 2 women having a chat. Nothing to get worked up about, a bit bland, but fine.

[lapsedhibee]

Benjamin Cohen
@benjamincohen
·
Two years ago I had to say goodbye to my Grandad over FaceTime and wasn’t allowed to hug my Mum at his funeral. This isn’t something that we are likely to ever forget or forgive


Edwina Currie
@Edwina_Currie
But it won't bring them back either, Ben

Jesus.

[gbhibby]

Benjamin Cohen
@benjamincohen
·
Two years ago I had to say goodbye to my Grandad over FaceTime and wasn’t allowed to hug my Mum at his funeral. This isn’t something that we are likely to ever forget or forgive


Edwina Currie
@Edwina_Currie
But it won't bring them back either, Ben
Unbelievable that someone would make a comment like that
From her it's does not surprise me.

[Stairway 2 7]

Well played Dan Stevens

https://mobile.twitter.com/scottygb/status/1514312511935418384?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Scott Bryan
@scottygb
STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND WATCH THIS MOMENT FROM THE ONE SHOW

[Ozyhibby]

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[Stairway 2 7]

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Would think it was a parody if I hadn't read it before

[Berwickhibby]

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You could not make this ***** up…..unbelievable

[hibsbollah]

You could not make this ***** up…..unbelievable

Bishop of Durham on Newsnight now, totally baffled. It breaks normal parliamentary procedure because the HoL of which he is a part, was about to vote on the subject.

I’m starting to think the Tories are learning lessons from the Republicans across the Atlantic. Previous Norms of behavior are now out the window. Is the centre right even a thing anymore :dunno:

[Hibernia&Alba]

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I need to spend a lot more time analysing the detail of this policy, but it's bizarre and raises so many questions. Will everyone who arrives without a visa be sent to Rwanda: asylum seekers, refugees and economic migrants? Why Rwanda? How was this agreement reached? What will Rwanda do with those denied entry to the UK? What are the legalities of doing this?

[Stairway 2 7]

I need to spend a lot more time analysing the detail of this policy, but it's bizarre and raises so many questions. Will everyone who arrives without a visa be sent to Rwanda: asylum seekers, refugees and economic migrants? Why Rwanda? How was this agreement reached? What will Rwanda do with those denied entry to the UK? What are the legalities of doing this?

Rwanda because all other countries asked said no, they will get paid. They basically get kept in a possessing centre like they would here, until their case comes up. I assume it will be legal unfortunately. 1.5 billion a year to do it. They say its just a deterrent and everyone will stop coming. But they are already risking death to come on a boat

[neil7908]

Rwanda because all other countries asked said no, they will get paid. They basically get kept in a possessing centre like they would here, until their case comes up. I assume it will be legal unfortunately. 1.5 billion a year to do it. They say its just a deterrent and everyone will stop coming. But they are already risking death to come on a boat

We seem to be copying every mental right wing policy from around the world in a desperate attempt to distract from the PMs troubles and keep the papers onside.

Australia has been doing something similar for years. As well as the horrendous human rights issues, it's a massive waste of tax payers money. Last year they spent £461m on their off shore processing. This was for just 239 people. So nearly £2m per year, per person.

[Col2]

6000 miles to Rwanda, estimated this ‘scheme’ will cost several billion a year.

That picture of Patel says it all. And the timing, throw red meat at the gammons just before May elections which let’s be honest make up a fair amount of the Tory support.

It makes you ashamed of this country but then you must remember it’s THIS government we should be ashamed of. The worst ever.

[ronaldo7]

Sending people fleeing from persecution to a dictatorship that violates human rights is a new low, even for this government.

The Tories really have zero compassion.

I wonder if they'll get orange jump suits, or will they have union flag ones.

[hibsbollah]

Sending people fleeing from persecution to a dictatorship that violates human rights is a new low, even for this government.

The Tories really have zero compassion.

Lets by honest, this policy is all about shoring up the racist vote.

They aren't going to be sending white Irish, Australian or New Zealanders who've overstayed their visa requirements to Rwanda for processing. But 'sending them back to Africa' is going to play well with some of the new Boris core voters.
Its like Windrush didnt happen.

[Moulin Yarns]

Why Rwanda?




Because everyone from Afghanistan to Romania refused and Rwanda was next on the list.

[Moulin Yarns]

Lets by honest, this policy is all about shoring up the racist vote.

They aren't going to be sending white Irish, Australian or New Zealanders who've overstayed their visa requirements to Rwanda for processing. But 'sending them back to Africa' is going to play well with some of the new Boris core voters.
Its like Windrush didnt happen.

I can see the 3 word slogan ' Out To Africa'

[ronaldo7]

I can see the 3 word slogan ' Out To Africa'

Welcome to Britain...stand in line for your hepatitis a and b jags, along with your malaria, yellow fever, rabies, and typhoid ones, before jumping on that big jumbo...out to Africa

[stu in nottingham]

Wilf took his dad to a wildlife park yesterday for a nice 'cuddly Boris' photo opp. Luckily, the Daily Mail were on hand to shoot it all for the nation. Annoyingly, the wildlife keepers were loath to let Boris out of the park once captured.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10711293/amp/Boris-hands-Wilf-family-day-wildlife-park-Hertfordshire.html

[hibsbollah]

Wilf took his dad to a wildlife park yesterday for a nice 'cuddly Boris' photo opp. Luckily, the Daily Mail were on hand to shoot it all for the nation. Annoyingly, the wildlife keepers were loath to let Boris out of the park once captured.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10711293/amp/Boris-hands-Wilf-family-day-wildlife-park-Hertfordshire.html

Bless.

[Moulin Yarns]

Wilf took his dad to a wildlife park yesterday for a nice 'cuddly Boris' photo opp. Luckily, the Daily Mail were on hand to shoot it all for the nation. Annoyingly, the wildlife keepers were loath to let Boris out of the park once captured.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10711293/amp/Boris-hands-Wilf-family-day-wildlife-park-Hertfordshire.html


Bless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Catcher

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/pickardje/status/1514485481114947588?s=21&t=bR5_2-G7OO-TDLDPt1G9Qg

Questions for Javid?


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[Bostonhibby]

Welcome to Britain...stand in line for your hepatitis a and b jags, along with your malaria, yellow fever, rabies, and typhoid ones, before jumping on that big jumbo...out to AfricaCouldn't they just say they are Russian and put up the necessary £2m and get instant access to the UK then once they are in quickly assimilate by making donations to the Tory Party via the usual channels? You know breakfast, dinner or whatever with Bozo plus the odd game of tennis for a couple of hundred grand.

Maybe non Dom is the way to go?



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[Stairway 2 7]

Ooft there we go, cake and happy birthday is easy to dismiss, what about an ABBA party

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
·
Sources tell us they believe the PM will be fined for three events the Met is yet to examine - a leaving do for a senior aide, the summer BYOB party and the “Abba” gathering in his flat. We understand no one has yet been fined for these events

[Moulin Yarns]

Sending people fleeing from persecution to a dictatorship that violates human rights is a new low, even for this government.

The Tories really have zero compassion.

I wonder if they'll get orange jump suits, or will they have union flag ones.



Like this? 🤔

https://twitter.com/MimiAugello/status/746991432959922176?t=-uLisohHpvLB1BhjKYrs5g&s=19

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61097114

I've just realised that the migrants aren't being 'processed' in Rwanda but being sent there with no opportunity to return. They will be processed and if successful remain in Rwanda with the same 'rights' as a Rwandan.


Basically we are paying to deport them to a foreign country.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61097114

I've just realised that the migrants aren't being 'processed' in Rwanda but being sent there with no opportunity to return. They will be processed and if successful remain in Rwanda with the same 'rights' as a Rwandan.


Basically we are paying to deport them to a foreign country.

This plan will never happen. It’s all about getting his base back on board and distract from parties. It’s working.


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[lapsedhibee]

Ooft there we go, cake and happy birthday is easy to dismiss, what about an ABBA party

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
·
Sources tell us they believe the PM will be fined for three events the Met is yet to examine - a leaving do for a senior aide, the summer BYOB party and the “Abba” gathering in his flat. We understand no one has yet been fined for these events

Looking forward to Fabric*nt explaining that as Johnson didn't actually take any Abba CDs out of their cases, he didn't knowingly breach any rules.

[Stairway 2 7]

Twilight zone stuff

Sky News
@SkyNews
·
Those entering the UK illegally, as well as those who have arrived illegally from 1 January, will now be relocated to Rwanda, the PM says.

This will provide "safe and legal routes" for asylum whilst "disrupting the business models of the gangs", he adds

[Stairway 2 7]

Looking forward to Fabric*nt explaining that as Johnson didn't actually take any Abba CDs out of their cases, he didn't knowingly breach any rules.

But only after he explains what the **** is sitting on his head

[lapsedhibee]

But only after he explains what the **** is sitting on his head

Already correctly identified by HIGNFY (https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/1514191755301769217).

[Stairway 2 7]

Already correctly identified by HIGNFY (https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/1514191755301769217).

😆

[lucky]

Responding to the announcement that the UK Government intends to send people to Rwanda for asylum processing, STUC General Secretary Roz Foyer said:

“The UK Government have revealed to all and sundry the extent of their, frankly, evil and hostile approach to those seeking asylum and sanctuary across the country. They’re also showing the depths they’re willing to sink to in a desperate attempt to distract the public from their flagrant lawbreaking.

“We see through them. We won’t allow the Tories to use asylum seekers as a political smokescreen to cover up their failings as a rogue government.

“This is a sickening, inhumane arrangement; one that trades human beings for cash to a country with such a grim track record on human rights. This will only exasperate the wide range of abuse that occurs to those currently going through the UK Government’s asylum process.

“Along with our equality committees, we reaffirm our position that Scotland welcomes refugees. We stand side by side with all those who are subject to this sadistic policy and would call for its immediate rejection.


Sums it up nicely

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61097114

I've just realised that the migrants aren't being 'processed' in Rwanda but being sent there with no opportunity to return. They will be processed and if successful remain in Rwanda with the same 'rights' as a Rwandan.


Basically we are paying to deport them to a foreign country.

That has to be wrong. That would mean the UK no longer accepting any refugees....

[stu in nottingham]

Ooft there we go, cake and happy birthday is easy to dismiss, what about an ABBA party

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
·
Sources tell us they believe the PM will be fined for three events the Met is yet to examine - a leaving do for a senior aide, the summer BYOB party and the “Abba” gathering in his flat. We understand no one has yet been fined for these events

The four events in total were of ten minutes, two at four minutes and one two minutes and forty-five seconds so it doesn't matter.


Looking forward to Fabric*nt explaining that as Johnson didn't actually take any Abba CDs out of their cases, he didn't knowingly breach any rules.

Michael Fabricant actually tours as an Agnetha Faltskog tribute act.

[Pretty Boy]

It's frightening how normalised far right rhetoric and worse still actions have become.

Anyone still accepting this, or more worryingly enthusiastically lapping it up, needs to examine their own moral compass. I've never like Tories and never really understood anyone other than the mega rich voting for them; it's now got to a point at which voting for the current guise of the Conservative Party is endorsing policies and actions which are abhorrent by any reasonable standard. People can justify it how they like in their own head but a vote for the Tories is now an indication of a lack of morality and a lack of empathy.

[hibsbollah]

It's frightening how normalised far right rhetoric and worse still actions have become.

Anyone still accepting this, or more worryingly enthusiastically lapping it up, needs to examine their own moral compass. I've never like Tories and never really understood anyone other than the mega rich voting for them; it's now got to a point at which voting for the current guise of the Conservative Party is endorsing policies and actions which are abhorrent by any reasonable standard. People can justify it how they like in their own head but a vote for the Tories is now an indication of a lack of morality and a lack of empathy.

I have a very close family member who works for the Home Office in the asylum system. Priti Patel is essentially her ultimate boss. I spoke to her this morning, They are all in complete shock, the actual civil servants who deal with actual asylum seekers haven't been informed of the new policy. They know nothing about it. Its completely made up on the hoof.

'Send 'em Back to Africa'.

[The_Exile]

This was quite a funny wee clip on The One Show last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfRKTrST_rw

[Bostonhibby]

Ooft there we go, cake and happy birthday is easy to dismiss, what about an ABBA party

Jessica Elgot
@jessicaelgot
·
Sources tell us they believe the PM will be fined for three events the Met is yet to examine - a leaving do for a senior aide, the summer BYOB party and the “Abba” gathering in his flat. We understand no one has yet been fined for these eventsMost of his supporters will now be dyed in the wool ABBA fans so when they're stopping selected constituents for supportive interviews they'll all be done up like Benny and Agnetha in their heyday, telling everyone to move on because there's a war on that Bozo is personally leading.

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[Bostonhibby]

But only after he explains what the **** is sitting on his headAn illegal migrant to his bonce? Surely he didn't knowingly allow it to nest there? Sending him to Rwanda until it's purged is surely the only sensible solution, for the sake of the nation.

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[Ozyhibby]

I have a very close family member who works for the Home Office in the asylum system. Priti Patel is essentially her ultimate boss. I spoke to her this morning, They are all in complete shock, the actual civil servants who deal with actual asylum seekers haven't been informed of the new policy. They know nothing about it. Its completely made up on the hoof.

'Send 'em Back to Africa'.

That’s because it will never happen. It’s is all about getting everyone talking about Rwanda and in that respect it’s working a treat. No mention of parties today on the news or phone ins. Just lots of chat about Rwanda.


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[Jack]

I have a very close family member who works for the Home Office in the asylum system. Priti Patel is essentially her ultimate boss. I spoke to her this morning, They are all in complete shock, the actual civil servants who deal with actual asylum seekers haven't been informed of the new policy. They know nothing about it. Its completely made up on the hoof.

'Send 'em Back to Africa'.

I find that hard to believe. The Times wrote about it back in January! Maybe she was just in the wrong room at the time!

[hibsbollah]

I find that hard to believe. The Times wrote about it back in January! Maybe she was just in the wrong room at the time!

Maybe as a broad idea, certainly they had no clue it was imminent and going to be policy.

[grunt]

It's frightening how normalised far right rhetoric and worse still actions have become.

Anyone still accepting this, or more worryingly enthusiastically lapping it up, needs to examine their own moral compass. I've never like Tories and never really understood anyone other than the mega rich voting for them; it's now got to a point at which voting for the current guise of the Conservative Party is endorsing policies and actions which are abhorrent by any reasonable standard. People can justify it how they like in their own head but a vote for the Tories is now an indication of a lack of morality and a lack of empathy.
Thank you for posting this. It resonates with me. I'm disgusted by this UK Govt.

[Stairway 2 7]

I find that hard to believe. The Times wrote about it back in January! Maybe she was just in the wrong room at the time!
Was in the Lords a month ago
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nationality-and-borders-bill-government-faces-conservative-rebellion-over-controversial-asylum-and-immigration-reforms-12572348

Last week is when Rwanda was first announced. Probably no one believed they would, brutal

Apparently Blair tried to do it in Tanzania in 2004, but he was basically a tory anyway

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2004/feb/25/asylum.politics

[Bristolhibby]

6000 miles to Rwanda, estimated this ‘scheme’ will cost several billion a year.

That picture of Patel says it all. And the timing, throw red meat at the gammons just before May elections which let’s be honest make up a fair amount of the Tory support.

It makes you ashamed of this country but then you must remember it’s THIS government we should be ashamed of. The worst ever.

Scotland does have a get out of jail card. This sheet doesn’t have to be put up with.

J

[stokesmessiah]

What happens if they don’t want to go to Rwanda??? We surely can’t deport them against their will to Africa?

[Hibernia&Alba]

What happens if they don’t want to go to Rwanda??? We surely can’t deport them against their will to Africa?

I doubt very much they will be offered a choice. It is actually illegal under international law to deny somebody the right to claim asylum in any country, but this government won't care about that. It will be massively popular with the racist vote who just don't want immigrants. We will need to see the small print concerning this policy, but it's worrying.

[Ozyhibby]

I doubt very much they will be offered a choice. It is actually illegal under international law to deny somebody the right to claim asylum in any country, but this government won't care about that. It will be massively popular with the racist vote who just don't want immigrants. We will need to see the small print concerning this policy, but it's worrying.

You can’t deport people to anywhere without legal procedures. This idea will never happen.


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[Mr Grieves]

Israel signed an offshoring deal with Rwanda in 2013 and it sounds as horrific as you'd expect


https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/research-subject-groups/centre-criminology/centreborder-criminologies/blog/2018/10/moving-under

[Stairway 2 7]

Eu have a deal with Libya that amnesty and others have been trying to stop. Conditions are barbaric

https://www.e-ir.info/2017/07/25/the-european-union-immigration-agreement-with-libya-out-of-sight-out-of-mind/

[Hibernia&Alba]

Israel signed an offshoring deal with Rwanda in 2013 and it sounds as horrific as you'd expect


https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/research-subject-groups/centre-criminology/centreborder-criminologies/blog/2018/10/moving-under

Ah, our dear allies Israel. No country on earth respects human rights so diligently.....:rolleyes:

The Tories are now an overt right wing populist party, interested only in the English nativist vote. They have dropped all pretence of being a sensible centre-right party and have gone full Trump. Anyone who is vulnerable in the UK is at risk of a being a victim of draconian nasty policies. It's just getting worse and worse.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Israel signed an offshoring deal with Rwanda in 2013 and it sounds as horrific as you'd expect


https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/research-subject-groups/centre-criminology/centreborder-criminologies/blog/2018/10/moving-under

Patel was sacked for meeting Israeli officials when she was in May’s cabinet. Maybe where this has come from.

[Kato]

I have a very close family member who works for the Home Office in the asylum system. Priti Patel is essentially her ultimate boss. I spoke to her this morning, They are all in complete shock, the actual civil servants who deal with actual asylum seekers haven't been informed of the new policy. They know nothing about it. Its completely made up on the hoof.

'Send 'em Back to Africa'.So slipped to the press before deadlines to get rid of the story where he's been collared for having an illegal kneesup from the front pages. They must have known it was coming as Pretil was wasting more money flying their plane around the place. Transparent but it's worked.

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[grunt]

https://northeastbylines.co.uk/gifts-from-a-plutocrat-to-a-dictator-offshoring-uk-asylum-seekers-to-rwanda/


... the fact is that the government itself warned about Rwanda’s restrictions on freedom and civil society as recently as last year; something which Lewis Goodall has pointed out on Twitter (https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1514380024408944645). The Home Office’s own figures show that the UK even gave asylum to Rwandan refugees as recently as 2021. With these new powers the Home Secretary would have returned these refugees to persecution in Rwanda without a second thought.

We accepted refugees from Rwanda just last year! And now we're sending asylum seekers there.

[ronaldo7]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61097114

I've just realised that the migrants aren't being 'processed' in Rwanda but being sent there with no opportunity to return. They will be processed and if successful remain in Rwanda with the same 'rights' as a Rwandan.


Basically we are paying to deport them to a foreign country.

The tory ukgov have become the people traffickers. They've wiped out the trade the trafficking gangs had in France with the stroke of a pen.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ah, our dear allies Israel. No country on earth respects human rights so diligently.....:rolleyes:

The Tories are now an overt right wing populist party, interested only in the English nativist vote. They have dropped all pretence of being a sensible centre-right party and have gone full Trump. Anyone who is vulnerable in the UK is at risk of a being a victim of draconian nasty policies. It's just getting worse and worse.


there's absolutely no need for a BNP now.....they have the Tories

[Sylar]

British folks being paid to take predominately white Ukrainian refugees fleeing conflict...change that skin tone to something approaching brown though and it's off to the Human Rights violating hell-hole with you!

They're not even being subtle anymore. They need to be removed, even if that means violence.

[Bostonhibby]

It's frightening how normalised far right rhetoric and worse still actions have become.

Anyone still accepting this, or more worryingly enthusiastically lapping it up, needs to examine their own moral compass. I've never like Tories and never really understood anyone other than the mega rich voting for them; it's now got to a point at which voting for the current guise of the Conservative Party is endorsing policies and actions which are abhorrent by any reasonable standard. People can justify it how they like in their own head but a vote for the Tories is now an indication of a lack of morality and a lack of empathy.Yep, nasty, just nasty, not so much for the policy itself being associated with our country but the real reasons for it. They smack of deflection and short termism because they have some right roasters they have to remain on the right side of in the forthcoming council elections.

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[hibsbollah]

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-madagascar-plan-2

Bit of history.

[Stairway 2 7]

Their evil *******s especially Patel and the dafty that should have resigned yesterday. But Goodwins law here. Isreal are doing it, eu does it with the help of Libya, Australia puts them on an island, **** bag Blair wanted to do it. All of them disgusting, but I don't think they are going to lead on to exterminate millions

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/bbcscotnine/status/1514709443245715463?s=21&t=wliPpl6IPJKIYE5tAG20LQ

Former Chief Immigration Officer reveals the conscious bias at the heart of the process.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

put your signature on this, won't get anywhere but half a million would look pretty impressive Petition · Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak broke the law. They have to resign. #Partygate · Change.org (https://www.change.org/p/borisjohnson-and-rishisunak-broke-the-law-they-have-to-resign-partygate?recruiter=false&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=c9b9b190-ba9b-11ec-9ff9-d722ef421d6a&utm_content=fht-32994732-en-gb%3A0)

[Stairway 2 7]

Immigrants on average pay more in tax than they take in benefits, more often young. Instead spend 1 million pound each on deporting them. It's financial and morally repugnant. Humans can't be illegal

[Stairway 2 7]

put your signature on this, won't get anywhere but half a million would look pretty impressive Petition · Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak broke the law. They have to resign. #Partygate · Change.org (https://www.change.org/p/borisjohnson-and-rishisunak-broke-the-law-they-have-to-resign-partygate?recruiter=false&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=c9b9b190-ba9b-11ec-9ff9-d722ef421d6a&utm_content=fht-32994732-en-gb%3A0)

It'll get a boost when they get more fines and it was only a cake can be put to bed

[JimBHibees]

It's frightening how normalised far right rhetoric and worse still actions have become.

Anyone still accepting this, or more worryingly enthusiastically lapping it up, needs to examine their own moral compass. I've never like Tories and never really understood anyone other than the mega rich voting for them; it's now got to a point at which voting for the current guise of the Conservative Party is endorsing policies and actions which are abhorrent by any reasonable standard. People can justify it how they like in their own head but a vote for the Tories is now an indication of a lack of morality and a lack of empathy.

Totally agree the governance of this country at the moment is so morally bereft and despicable it is frightening. Have never been closer to a fascist state ever.

[Bostonhibby]

It'll get a boost when they get more fines and it was only a cake can be put to bedI'm guessing that the only a cake apologists are lucky enough to have been in that percentage of the population that never lost a relative or had anyone seriously Ill whilst Bozo was just having a slice of cake.

There's not really any point in trying to discuss with that mindset the wider issue of thinking its okay to repeatedly lie to parliament over the parties that weren't but were, cake or no cake.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

murky murty Chancellor Rishi Sunak's mystery loan to firm then handed Covid furlough cash - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/chancellor-rishi-sunaks-mystery-loan-26717019) get this pair in the jail, they can plead their case at a later date :agree:

[Pete]

British folks being paid to take predominately white Ukrainian refugees fleeing conflict...change that skin tone to something approaching brown though and it's off to the Human Rights violating hell-hole with you!

They're not even being subtle anymore. They need to be removed, even if that means violence.

I agree, but we'll probably stop short of violence and just settle for the middle ground again at the next generation election.

Houses will still be unaffordable.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the Daily Fail done a poll of 1500 and headlined two thirds say there 'are more important things to focus on' and 'most brits' want to move on from partygate

the Majority of Britons...gulp



yep, 1500 people

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220415/8e69dee43ae4cbe5e1aaac06748ce4e8.jpg

Not far to go now.


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[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220415/8e69dee43ae4cbe5e1aaac06748ce4e8.jpg

Not far to go now.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat poster very likely relates to white Anglo Saxons who can trace their roots in England and their "Britishness" back to the stoneage[emoji6]

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[Moulin Yarns]

It'll get a boost when they get more fines and it was only a cake can be put to bed

Then it will be, it was only a vol-au-vent'😉

[Moulin Yarns]

That poster very likely relates to white Anglo Saxons who can trace their roots in England and their "Britishness" back to the stoneage[emoji6]

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The problem with that is that they don't realise that the white Anglo-Saxon were immigrants themselves 😂

[Bostonhibby]

The problem with that is that they don't realise that the white Anglo-Saxon were immigrants themselves [emoji23]Clues in the name[emoji6]

There's a reasonable argument that they themselves are descendants of invited immigrants, for those that want to consider the point that is!



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[Moulin Yarns]

Clues in the name[emoji6]

There's a reasonable argument that they themselves are descendants of invited immigrants, for those that want to consider the point that is!



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I like to think we are all jock tamson's bairns, but then I see what our Anglo-Saxon neighbours say and review my opinion 😉

[Bostonhibby]

I like to think we are all jock tamson's bairns, but then I see what our Anglo-Saxon neighbours say and review my opinion [emoji6]I hear you, I don't think they all think the same as those who glorify the tripe that's in NF posters but I guess there's varying degrees of opinion about what is classed as acceptable and unacceptable when it comes to welcoming non "Brits" to our country.

A large cheque from multi millionaire crooks of no, or very dubious British origin seems to be the gold standard as we now know.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Watched a good program on BBC years ago I think called white and proud. They dna tested 4 or 5 white and proud people and all had some non white dna, as we all do. They were devastated.

Bill bryson says, if someone says they checked back generations and they a descendent of Shakespeare or King James or whatever. Immediately say and so what so am I, as you will be.

We are equal parts of our parents go back one and 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents, then equally descendent from 16 gg grandparents. Then 32, 64. 1024 after 10 generations,

Go back 1000 years it would take 37 generations roughly and you are equal parts to over 128 billion people. More than has ever lived. Obviously there will be overlap. But we are all related. Makes racism and nationalism even more daft

[Ozyhibby]

I hear you, I don't think they all think the same as those who glorify the tripe that's in NF posters but I guess there's varying degrees of opinion about what is classed as acceptable and unacceptable when it comes to welcoming non "Brits" to our country.

A large cheque from multi millionaire crooks of no, or very dubious British origin seems to be the gold standard as we now know.

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You can see why the NF is no longer a thing now when most of what the want is now government policy.


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[Bostonhibby]

You can see why the NF is no longer a thing now when most of what the want is now government policy.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYes, their market has been cornered, all that's left is the ludicrous EDL, whose core aim seems to be looking like Phil Mitchell and getting pissed up and falling over at protests. If England needs defending these ain't the guys - middle aged fat white men - to do it.

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[ronaldo7]

Watch as Douglas Ross defends a Tory council candidate who started a petition saying Syrian refugees should not be welcome in Scotland.

Some years ago, I may add. I wonder if her stance has really changed, or if she's one of the Patel column. Syrians not so good, Ukranians ok. :dunno:

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1514908137324691456

[CropleyWasGod]

The Rwandan connection is against international law says the UNHCR.


BBC News - UK Rwanda asylum plan against international law, says UN refugee agency
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122241

[Bostonhibby]

Anyone thinking that with a serious need to deflect, the council elections are far more important to the nasties than some international legal or humanitarian obligation we were already signed up to?

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[greenginger]

The Rwandan connection is against international law says the UNHCR.


BBC News - UK Rwanda asylum plan against international law, says UN refugee agency
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122241

How come Australia has been sending refugees overseas for 20 years ?

[Ozyhibby]

How come Australia has been sending refugees overseas for 20 years ?

The two schemes are very different. The Australian scheme is a detention centre where people are held while their cases are heard under Australian law. They are held in Nauru or PNG while their case is processed. It’s a crap set up.
Our idea is totally different. We are taking people to Africa and leaving them there. No legal process at all.


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[grunt]

The Rwandan connection is against international law says the UNHCR.

Leftie lawyers.

[CropleyWasGod]

The two schemes are very different. The Australian scheme is a detention centre where people are held while their cases are heard under Australian law. They are held in Nauru or PNG while their case is processed. It’s a crap set up.
Our idea is totally different. We are taking people to Africa and leaving them there. No legal process at all.


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The PNG scheme finished last year. It's just Nauru ("Australia's Guantanamo") now.

[Stairway 2 7]

The two schemes are very different. The Australian scheme is a detention centre where people are held while their cases are heard under Australian law. They are held in Nauru or PNG while their case is processed. It’s a crap set up.
Our idea is totally different. We are taking people to Africa and leaving them there. No legal process at all.


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What happens if they get knocked back from Australian courts, sent back home? Seems some waste of money

[CropleyWasGod]

What happens if they get knocked back from Australian courts, sent back home? Seems some waste of money

According to wiki, most went to the US. Some were sent home.

The numbers don't seem to be anything like ours.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru_Regional_Processing_Centre

[Stairway 2 7]

According to wiki, most went to the US. Some were sent home.

The numbers don't seem to be anything like ours.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru_Regional_Processing_Centre

Some held over 1000 people like manu that is still open. Some sent back home. Png closed

In October 2021, the Australian Government cut off all support to the 124 remaining men on the island, leaving PNG to take over responsibility for them


The conditions sound horrendous. I was reading last night about the EU funded centre in Libya and its was heartbreaking. Mainly filled with sub Saharan African, who usually end up trafficked. People are unbelievably cruel

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1515031265044537357?s=21&t=saksudjOeY6RpfQVrj1skw

Clearly the Home office is not behind this scheme and it’s entirely political.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Refugees bloody coming here and being one of scientific stars. Nice article

https://mobile.twitter.com/whippletom/status/1115289336306634755

Tom Whipple
@whippletom
19 years ago a kurdish refugee living on food stamps in Nottingham turned up in the university and asked, in broken english, to see a maths professor.

Last month I went to see him - after he won the maths equivalent of the Nobel Prize

[greenginger]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122240

Tory MP first mp to take Ukrainian family into their home.

[lapsedhibee]

Tory MP first mp to take Ukrainian family into their home.

And?

[hibsbollah]

And?

‘They are the good guys’, obviously…

[Callum_62]

Nice for him to do it, odd the press just happend to do a full page spread on it [emoji57]

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[greenginger]

‘They are the good guys’, obviously…

Not necessarily, just kinda breaks the stereo type on here that all Tories are ****bags.

[cabbageandribs1875]

And?


exactly, they're still all sh**tbags and no publicity stunt will change that

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122240

Tory MP first mp to take Ukrainian family into their home.

Do you know how much he is charging them for rent? 😉

[Just Alf]

Not necessarily, just kinda breaks the stereo type on here that all Tories are ****bags.Not sure where you're getting that from!.. there's been loads of times where 'good' tories have been mentioned over the months/years... it is difficult however to find any way at all to describe Dorris, Rees-Mogg or Patel as good .... Happy for you to provide examples proving different for them of course....

[Smartie]

Do you know how much he is charging them for rent? 😉

I just assumed they were on a flight to Rwanda as soon as the photoshoot was over.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278545200_10158409082196536_4006445842661983270_n. jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=obKx2W7EtKQAX_BWTha&_nc_oc=AQm0otSUO-crbjux1XzQQxAu8KgNwZscQcK43iVFR7dWW7EfxcmINZZvc7qP KGon0b4&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_IOj9jePGRbgJ7D3T7AaIo62M-rP1YtHZ7mAzRsVDy8A&oe=625F6957

[Bostonhibby]

Not necessarily, just kinda breaks the stereo type on here that all Tories are ****bags.He's got a very dubious past in relation to housing and property development matters, but that was probably him just trying to fit in with those around him. They punted him from being a minister and I was surprised when I seen it was him that made this gesture, but he could and he did, fair play and respect, if only the cameras were kept away.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122240

Tory MP first mp to take Ukrainian family into their home.

Easy to do when the public purse pays all your housing expenses and you get two of them anyway.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278545200_10158409082196536_4006445842661983270_n. jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=obKx2W7EtKQAX_BWTha&_nc_oc=AQm0otSUO-crbjux1XzQQxAu8KgNwZscQcK43iVFR7dWW7EfxcmINZZvc7qP KGon0b4&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_IOj9jePGRbgJ7D3T7AaIo62M-rP1YtHZ7mAzRsVDy8A&oe=625F6957

One hundred per cent in agreement. The policy is truly disgusting, IMHO.

[lapsedhibee]

The policy is truly disgusting, IMHO.

Disagree. It's been an excellent policy announcement. Current government policy is to Save Big Dog, and announcing a 'plan' which is maximally repulsive/divisive has been an excellent way of taking the focus off his criminal sanctions problem. Throw some taxpayers' money into the pockets of your pals for feasibility studies (as with the imaginary bridge to Ireland) for good measure and, really, it's hard to find fault with unless, as Dog pointed out, you're some sort of woke leftie activist lawyer.

[Stairway 2 7]

I knew the EU pays turkey to keep migrants and also about their horrible centres in Libya. I didn't realise they were the first planning to put migrants in Rwanda. The west needs to pick up more responsibility that comes with a fortunate lifestyle instead of this brutality. Hopefully the torys have underestimated the disgust for this plan

https://www.theafricancourier.de/news/africa/un-eu-to-evacuate-migrants-in-libya-to-rwanda/

[Hibrandenburg]

I knew the EU pays turkey to keep migrants and also about their horrible centres in Libya. I didn't realise they were the first planning to put migrants in Rwanda. The west needs to pick up more responsibility that comes with a fortunate lifestyle instead of this brutality. Hopefully the torys have underestimated the disgust for this plan

https://www.theafricancourier.de/news/africa/un-eu-to-evacuate-migrants-in-libya-to-rwanda/

Germany is damned if they do or damned if they don't. Merkel opened the borders for all back in 2015 and was universally slammed for doing so when it was the humane thing to do. Unfortunately the Tories were elected on an anti immigration platform and this policy will be widely applauded,even though it's almost impossible to implement. Never has it been so clear as to how skin colour plays a role in acceptance of immigrants than during the current crisis.

[Stairway 2 7]

Tories are built on anti immigration. There seems to be chosen countries that its accepted, Polish, Indian and Pakistani always near the top. We're going to feel the hit from lack of eu migration. We took 1 million poles in, can't see anything like that happening again. Scotland has much less immigrants that England so should be allowed its own policy

"The size of the foreign-born population in the UK increased from about 5.3 million in 2004 to almost 9.5 million in 2019"

1 million people born in India live in the uk, 1 million from Poland and 800,000 from Pakistan.

[greenginger]

Not sure where you're getting that from!.. there's been loads of times where 'good' tories have been mentioned over the months/years... it is difficult however to find any way at all to describe Dorris, Rees-Mogg or Patel as good .... Happy for you to provide examples proving different for them of course....

Read post 4383 , just two before yours.

[CropleyWasGod]

Might have missed this being discussed.

If the plan is to send all single males to Rwanda, then surely the " business model of the trafficking gangs" will be tweaked to ensure all such males are paired-up with single women.

And will there be no consideration for gay men fleeing persecution?

[Stairway 2 7]

Might have missed this being discussed.

If the plan is to send all single males to Rwanda, then surely the " business model of the trafficking gangs" will be tweaked to ensure all such males are paired-up with single women.

And will there be no consideration for gay men fleeing persecution?

There's already a separate route for gay men fleeing persecution but I'm sure it'll be deliberately difficult to prove.

They won't be able to pair up women as its very heavily swayed towards men coming over.

It just won't work they will still try and I'm sure the traffickers won't tell them about this policy. People still try to get to Australia and people still try to get to EU from Libya.

If they are willing to risk their life they will risk getting caught

[Just Alf]

Read post 4383 , just two before yours.

Ok, but you did say "stereotype on here"

Not denying there's some have that view just as there's also some SNP bad'ers.


Reality is a lot of us can see the good work that folks from all parties can do. Deep down its why the good ones became politicians in the 1st place.. ... To help people.

[ronaldo7]

Andrew Bridgen. This is the Tories are lying *******s thread, right.

[hibsbollah]

Their evil *******s especially Patel and the dafty that should have resigned yesterday. But Goodwins law here. Isreal are doing it, eu does it with the help of Libya, Australia puts them on an island, **** bag Blair wanted to do it. All of them disgusting, but I don't think they are going to lead on to exterminate millions

It’s fascism. When you deport any refugees seeking asylum to a 3rd country who have a horrific human rights record themselves, it’s pure fascism. It’s irrelevant whether the concentration camps have been built yet. Godwins Law is a stupid jibe that should have been put in the same bin as PC gone mad years ago. It’s actually an attempt to silence historians from making valid historical parallels.

Australia and Israel are both really bad examples for proving your point, both awful records in this respect.

[Stairway 2 7]

It’s fascism. When you deport any refugees seeking asylum to a 3rd country who have a horrific human rights record themselves, it’s pure fascism. It’s irrelevant whether the concentration camps have been built yet. Godwins Law is a stupid jibe that should have been put in the same bin as PC gone mad years ago. It’s actually an attempt to silence historians from making valid historical parallels.

Australia and Israel are both really bad examples for proving your point, both awful records in this respect.

And the EU who have disgusting camps in Libya and have used Rwanda too. Also the US who build walls and detain kids like animals. China with their concentration camps. Denmark have signed an agreement with Rwanda but not implemented yet also.

The major nations all seem to want to pay to put the problem elsewhere. Its disgusting.

On Goodwins law I used to work with a Jewish guy that would strongly disagree. He would flip when people would compare things to Nazi Germany, as it downplays the horrors. It is fascism but there will be no gas chambers that will be built

[Kato]

Not necessarily, just kinda breaks the stereo type on here that all Tories are ****bags.If so many of them weren't so routinely greedy, grasping and uncaring the stereotype wouldn't exist.

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[hibsbollah]

And the EU who have disgusting camps in Libya and have used Rwanda too. Also the US who build walls and detain kids like animals. China with their concentration camps. Denmark have signed an agreement with Rwanda but not implemented yet also.

The major nations all seem to want to pay to put the problem elsewhere. Its disgusting.

On Goodwins law I used to work with a Jewish guy that would strongly disagree. He would flip when people would compare things to Nazi Germany, as it downplays the horrors. It is fascism but there will be no gas chambers that will be built

On your mate, I don’t understand. Does he doubt that other nations are capable of similar behaviour to Nazi Germany? Or does he think genocide is something that only happens to Jews? Wrong on both counts.

[Stairway 2 7]

On your mate, I don’t understand. Does he doubt that other nations are capable of similar behaviour to Nazi Germany? Or does he think genocide is something that only happens to Jews? Wrong on both counts.

No just there is levels to these things. Genocide happens many places. But just because the UK EU Isreal and Australia are doing one fascist thing, it isn't even worth bringing up the mechanical slaughter of millions. Conditions in UK eu and Australia are a different world to under the third Reich, its no even close. We can have this conversation for one, gay rights, disabled rights, free elections, right to practice religion.

It's utterly disgusting what is happening but it's not a fascists state.

To be honest he used to flip more when people were saying covid restrictions were like something the Nazis would do, so not comparable

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278735123_5699743113373463_8370017908272988273_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=NJ1LTV0wHZIAX_Bhe8_&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_ucp6opVxbBIDHdIpEoftzI6p7V_ogQIQIijHJY801 ng&oe=6261E6AA

[Bostonhibby]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278735123_5699743113373463_8370017908272988273_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=NJ1LTV0wHZIAX_Bhe8_&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_ucp6opVxbBIDHdIpEoftzI6p7V_ogQIQIijHJY801 ng&oe=6261E6AAWhat a strange little creature he is.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Lord says Boris Johnson makes PM's office an 'adventure playground for one man's narcissistic vanity' (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lord-says-boris-johnson-makes-pm-s-office-an-adventure-playground-for-one-man-s-narcissistic-vanity/ar-AAWiHtH?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=400959d3038447c48429e58f61a62d35) that PoS will go down in the history books as the most crooked corrupt bare-faced lying PM EVER in the history of Westminster, he's a ******g stain on politics, a vile repugnant stain :agree:

Boris Johnson has been labelled the "great debaser in modern times" who has "sullied" the role of prime minister.

"Tuesday 12 April 2022 will be forever remembered as a dark bleak day for British public and political life. It is the day that Boris Johnson became the great debaser in modern times of decency of public and political life and of our constitutional conventions."
He added that Johnson "has sullied" the office of prime minister "like no other, turning it into an adventure playground for one man's narcissistic vanity" and said he has "shredded the ministerial code".

"The Queen's first minister is now beyond doubt a rouge prime minister, unworthy of her, her parliament, her people and her kingdom," he added. "I cannot remember a day when I have been more fearful for the wellbeing of the constitution."

[cabbageandribs1875]

What a strange little creature he is.

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every member of Johnsons cabinet is a strange vile creature, every single one

[cabbageandribs1875]

stick this runt in jail where he belongs :agree: New partygate claims emerge as Labour say PM has 'deliberately misled Britons at every turn' (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/new-partygate-claims-emerge-as-labour-say-pm-has-deliberately-misled-britons-at-every-turn/ar-AAWiQon?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=33a5ca73815e4c999159723711785d25)



(https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/partygate-is-constitutional-crisis-that-will-worsen-until-pm-quits-or-is-sacked/ar-AAWjo5s?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=33a5ca73815e4c999159723711785d25)A gathering in the Downing Street press office did not start as leaving drinks, a source told The Sunday Times.
Rather, it was the "usual Friday evening wash-up drinks", they added.
But Mr Johnson "came fumbling over, red box in tow", and "gathered the staff around the press office table, which did have bottles of alcohol on it", they continued.
"He said he wanted to say a few words for Lee and started pouring drinks for people and drinking himself. He toasted him."


https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAWiQoe.img?h=1080&w=1920&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=610&y=205

[lapsedhibee]

A gathering in the Downing Street press office did not start as leaving drinks, a source told The Sunday Times.
Rather, it was the "usual Friday evening wash-up drinks", they added.
But Mr Johnson "came fumbling over, red box in tow", and "gathered the staff around the press office table, which did have bottles of alcohol on it", they continued.
"He said he wanted to say a few words for Lee and started pouring drinks for people and drinking himself. He toasted him."




Ach, tbh this sort of stuff is just tittle-tattle. Everyone knows by now he's a pathological liar. The question is, will Tory MPs grow a semblance of spine and boot him?

[Andy Bee]

Michael Green AKA Grant Shapps the second little odious Conservative **** along with Jenrick to welcome a Ukranian family and plastering it all over Twitter. I'm not falling for this bull****, no amount of charity from either of these pair of Michael Gove wannabes will make me reconsider my opinion of them. I'm wondering why they didn't open the doors of the considerable amount of properties they have to Afghan or Syrian refugees and instead support sending them to Rwanda?

[Jack]

Two tory MPs from a total population of 360 tory MPs! Consider that against the 10s of thousands that have applied with little response, never mind a family living with them.

Sounds like they have a fast track system for that as well as dodgy contracts.

One could be considered 'luck of the draw'. Two? No chance.

[hibby rae]

Imagine escaping from your war-torn country only to end up living with a Tory politician.

[lapsedhibee]

Imagine escaping from your war-torn country only to end up living with a Tory politician.
Then imagine you're also camera-shy.

[H18S NX]

Michael Green AKA Grant Shapps the second little odious Conservative **** along with Jenrick to welcome a Ukranian family and plastering it all over Twitter. I'm not falling for this bull****, no amount of charity from either of these pair of Michael Gove wannabes will make me reconsider my opinion of them. I'm wondering why they didn't open the doors of the considerable amount of properties they have to Afghan or Syrian refugees and instead support sending them to Rwanda?.....Spot on Andy:aok:

[Hibernia&Alba]

What a strange little creature he is.

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Superb response. Mogg claims to be a devout Catholic, yet is one of the loudest voices in the government for policies which do great harm to the least among us: the poorest, the weakest, the most vulnerable, whilst he took his tax avoidance scheme for millionaires to Ireland after Brexit.

I read another epic response to Mogg's tweet: "Jesus would have turned over your tables and chased you from the Temple."

Religious hypocrites are the worst of the lot.

[Bostonhibby]

Superb response. Mogg claims to be a devout Catholic, yet is one of the loudest voices in the government for policies which do great harm to the least among us: the poorest, the weakest, the most vulnerable, whilst he took his tax avoidance scheme for millionaires to Ireland after Brexit.

I read another epic response to Mogg's tweet: "Jesus would have turned over your tables and chased you from the Temple."

Religious hypocrites are the worst of the lot.Bullied at school has been suggested to me as a possible reason for the type of creature he now is.

If true, you've got to wonder who he was at school with.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Well said, Archbishop. Let's see if Mogg and his 'Christian' pals respond:


https://youtu.be/FHhWvxQRCEI

[Bristolhibby]

Superb response. Mogg claims to be a devout Catholic, yet is one of the loudest voices in the government for policies which do great harm to the least among us: the poorest, the weakest, the most vulnerable, whilst he took his tax avoidance scheme for millionaires to Ireland after Brexit.

I read another epic response to Mogg's tweet: "Jesus would have turned over your tables and chased you from the Temple."

Religious hypocrites are the worst of the lot.

That was Jack Monroe a long time campaigner for affordable food. Having lived in the breadline she wrote the shoestring cookbook, offered its recipes for free download.

She’s brilliant. She points out she also used to be a Sunday school teacher so knows her Bible.

In reply to JRM

“ Jesus would have flipped a table and driven you out of the temple FYI x

“They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.” - Titus 1:16.”

George Tayaki from Star Trek has just retweeter her so expect the tweet to blow up globally.
J

[Hibernia&Alba]

That was Jack Monroe a long time campaigner for affordable food. Having lived in the breadline she wrote the shoestring cookbook, offered its recipes for free download.

She’s brilliant. She points out she also used to be a Sunday school teacher so knows her Bible.

In reply to JRM

“ Jesus would have flipped a table and driven you out of the temple FYI x

“They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.” - Titus 1:16.”

George Tayaki from Star Trek has just retweeter her so expect the tweet to blow up globally.
J

:top marks

I find it interesting the way many Christians (particularly on the right) quote the Bible to oppose homosexuality and divorce, for example, yet conveniently omit that those are Old Testament commands, and in the New Testament Jesus forbade usury and said nothing about homosexuality. Why aren't the same folk implacably opposed to the lending of money at interest?

[Bostonhibby]

:top marks

I find it interesting the way many Christians (particularly on the right) quote the Bible to oppose homosexuality and divorce, for example, yet conveniently omit that those are Old Testament commands, and in the New Testament Jesus forbade usury and said nothing about homosexuality.Whodathunk that politicians and other similar manipulators would twist religion to suit their own narrative?



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[wookie70]

That was Jack Monroe a long time campaigner for affordable food. Having lived in the breadline she wrote the shoestring cookbook, offered its recipes for free download.

She’s brilliant. She points out she also used to be a Sunday school teacher so knows her Bible.

In reply to JRM

“ Jesus would have flipped a table and driven you out of the temple FYI x

“They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.” - Titus 1:16.”

George Tayaki from Star Trek has just retweeter her so expect the tweet to blow up globally.
J

She is exactly the type of person I would love to start a peoples party. She seems very intelligent and has bags of common sense along with a rounded knowledge of poverty and seems to be a giver not a taker. Perhaps the way the world changes is through influencers starting to take an interest in actually leading policy. Her piece on food inflation was fantastic and the information she used isn't easy to find and was very well collated.

[hibsbollah]

She is exactly the type of person I would love to start a peoples party. She seems very intelligent and has bags of common sense along with a rounded knowledge of poverty and seems to be a giver not a taker. Perhaps the way the world changes is through influencers starting to take an interest in actually leading policy. Her piece on food inflation was fantastic and the information she used isn't easy to find and was very well collated.

She’s from what is now called the ‘far left’ (ie-she’s a socialist). And a non-binary mum. She would be absolutely taken down by the red tops and her mental health would be in tatters. I love Jack, been following her food stuff for more than 5 year, but I’ve seen this film before.

[Kato]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dishonest-mp-bridgen-lied-about-conduct-in-family-dispute-hplmlxmmx


Another Tory MP caught lying, this time committing perjury, wasting police time and costing his families' business millions.

One of the more Brexity ones, Andrew Bridgen. He said Jacob Rees-Mogg was too intelligent to have been killed in the Grenfell fire if he had been there.

Weirdo. Should resign for committing perjury then be jailed.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Daily Mirror headline today, showing the real PM along with her spineless coward of a husband :wink:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQlDu3aXEA8wLjX?format=jpg&name=medium

[lapsedhibee]

Gonna be hilarious in the House of Commons later on.

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1516346975855198210

[JeMeSouviens]

Journo Paul Waugh on twitter:


Breaking: Commons Speaker Hoyle says having taken advice, he will allow @Keir_Starmer
to table a motion on whether @BorisJohnson misled Parliament over Partygate.

How the hell is that going to work when you're not allowed to accuse someone of lying, even couched in terms of "knowingly misled parliament"? :confused:

[lapsedhibee]

How the hell is that going to work when you're not allowed to accuse someone of lying, even couched in terms of "knowingly misled parliament"? :confused:

'The House believes that the PM inadvertently misled The House and subsequently failed to correct The Record as required by the Ministerial Code.'
Everyone that's not a Tory MP: Aye. Everyone that is a Tory MP: Naw. Naw has it. Democracy prevails.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm not too sure with the expert story teller linehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQqTfhcXMA4K1EH?format=jpg&name=900x900

Ken Clarke on Twitter: "I once call Boris Johnson disingenuous and I was wrong to do so. He’s a liar." / Twitter (https://twitter.com/MrKennethClarke/status/1516145056272551945)

[Stairway 2 7]

He'll just say he didn't think cake in the office was a crime so didn't lie. The police need to get their arse in gear over Abba party ect as no dressing it up.

[Stairway 2 7]

i'm not too sure with the expert story teller linehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQqTfhcXMA4K1EH?format=jpg&name=900x900

Ken Clarke on Twitter: "I once call Boris Johnson disingenuous and I was wrong to do so. He’s a liar." / Twitter (https://twitter.com/MrKennethClarke/status/1516145056272551945)

It's a parody account but it's good

[cabbageandribs1875]

It's a parody account but it's good


**** i always have to do a double take with the laura kuenssberg translator one as well:grr:

out of curiosity, how can people tell if it's parody thingymajigs, or is it something obvious i dont see

[lapsedhibee]

**** i always have to do a double take with the laura kuenssberg translator one as well:grr:

out of curiosity, how can people tell if it's parody thingymajigs, or is it something obvious i dont see

Ken Clarke
@MrKennethClarke
Parody. Former MP & Cabinet Minister. Now a Lord. Enjoy listening to jazz, birdwatching and going down the pub.

[JeMeSouviens]

**** i always have to do a double take with the laura kuenssberg translator one as well:grr:

out of curiosity, how can people tell if it's parody thingymajigs, or is it something obvious i dont see

It says "Parody." first line of bio. :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

**** i always have to do a double take with the laura kuenssberg translator one as well:grr:

out of curiosity, how can people tell if it's parody thingymajigs, or is it something obvious i dont see

It is a nightmare sometimes, I get caught all the time. The problem with the kuenssberg one is its so close to reality 😆

[Stairway 2 7]

Jesus fn christ

Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
🇬🇧 New poll. Rwanda deal

All voters
Support 47%
Oppose 26%

Labour voters
Support 39%
Oppose 36%

Savanta ComRes

25800

[stu in nottingham]

It says "Parody." first line of bio. :greengrin

Having met Ken Clarke a couple of times at the football I can tell you the parody account's words are fairly mild compared to what he would actually say! :wink:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ken Clarke
@MrKennethClarke
Parody. Former MP & Cabinet Minister. Now a Lord. Enjoy listening to jazz, birdwatching and going down the pub.


It says "Parody." first line of bio. :greengrin


very helpful, ta :whistle:

[Moulin Yarns]

Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the Wee Donkey!!!! Non apology!! Sir Keir starmer ripped him!! Ian Blackford's now giving him a kicking now.

Johnson has to go on Thursday.

[ronaldo7]

Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the Wee Donkey!!!! Non apology!! Sir Keir starmer ripped him!! Ian Blackford's now giving him a kicking now.

Johnson has to go on Thursday.

Disgusting, watching the Tories stand up and support him. Open goal for all the opposition leaders, and they all scored.

He won't remove himself, and the Tories are happy to have the liar, as their leader.

[Kato]

Jesus fn christ

Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
[emoji636] New poll. Rwanda deal

All voters
Support 47%
Oppose 26%

Labour voters
Support 39%
Oppose 36%

Savanta ComRes

25800That's brutal and shows the extent of Labour voters falling for being gaslit.

Another poll.

Shows a majority of Tory voters want a fascist govt in France.


https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1514924982421364736?t=Bx2kXzmW_O4uJrCoWczjKQ&s=19

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[ronaldo7]

Well said, Archbishop. Let's see if Mogg and his 'Christian' pals respond:


https://youtu.be/FHhWvxQRCEI

The response. Britain first will come knocking on your door.

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1516055323026640899

[Stairway 2 7]

The response. Britain first will come knocking on your door.

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1516055323026640899

Britain first sticking up for a Catholic is a new one. Worst thing about social media is these knuckle draggers can get a platform

[Hibernia&Alba]

Jesus fn christ

Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
🇬🇧 New poll. Rwanda deal

All voters
Support 47%
Oppose 26%

Labour voters
Support 39%
Oppose 36%

Savanta ComRes

25800

Depressing stuff, but predictable. It's a divide and rule: distract people from their own problems by creating a common enemy. This Rwandan policy is one piece in this government's culture war jigsaw. All vulnerable economic and social groups are potential targets.

[hibsbollah]

Just look at this summary of his first 1000 days of power.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/19/1000-days-of-boris-johnson-as-prime-minister-proroguing-parliament-partygate

[cabbageandribs1875]

spot on jc

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278693431_954957525221266_5482393785493843474_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=5o49SVY8-vQAX9rX9cP&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT9q3YRVkhbVEetxzEaii2ORJvfF3Vr3dl-AiXAOe5qYfg&oe=62646199

[wookie70]

Just look at this summary of his first 1000 days of power.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/19/1000-days-of-boris-johnson-as-prime-minister-proroguing-parliament-partygate

what a cesspit of law breaking, u-turns, cronyism, cowardice and self interest. My personal favourite was the Peppa Pig para which would probably be dismissed as too outlandish in a fiction novel.
Johnson prompts questions about his welfare after delivering a rambling speech to business leaders in which he lost his his place for 20 seconds, praised Peppa Pig (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/22/boris-johnson-praises-peppa-pig-and-loses-place-in-rambling-speech), compared himself to Moses and made car noises.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Just look at this summary of his first 1000 days of power.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/19/1000-days-of-boris-johnson-as-prime-minister-proroguing-parliament-partygate

He has completely destroyed the ministerial code and standards in public life. That isn't a party political point; any prime minister, regardless of party, behaving that way should be hounded from office. The Tories, by defending him, are creating a rod for their own back, in so much as any wrongdoing they complain about in future will be met with "Johnson did the same/worse". All bets are off now.

[Ozyhibby]

He has completely destroyed the ministerial code and standards in public life. That isn't a party political point; any prime minister, regardless of party, behaving that way should be hounded from office. The Tories, by defending him, are creating a rod for their own back, in so much as any wrongdoing they complain about in future will be met with "Johnson did the same/worse". All bets are off now.

Lack of a written constitution coming home to roost.


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[Bostonhibby]

Some put down, are the nasties generally that thick or have they just got used to firing from the hip with no thought?

https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/1516686649949835266?t=6pmlWtrV_coZKhpaqb82Og&s=08

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[cabbageandribs1875]

that pause on 30 seconds :faf: https://www.facebook.com/thenationalnewspaperscotland/videos/346917727528684

aw man he one serious brown nose, and the lack of a backbone

[Kato]

that pause on 30 seconds :faf: https://www.facebook.com/thenationalnewspaperscotland/videos/346917727528684

aw man he one serious brown nose, and the lack of a backbone"We are dealing with this ongoing crisis" in regards to Ukraine. He'll be doing bog all towards that. Johnson will be signing off on sending arms, which the tax payer has paid for i.e. next to bog all. They really are a bunch of cowards hiding behind someone else's war.

The other line they are using is "carry on delivering for the British people", delivering inflation, tax rises and public cuts whilst they silent steady stream of tax avoided money goes offshore. Absolute charlatans and the press allow them their moronic soundbites.

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[Bostonhibby]

that pause on 30 seconds :faf: https://www.facebook.com/thenationalnewspaperscotland/videos/346917727528684

aw man he one serious brown nose, and the lack of a backboneNo wonder Bozo prefers Murray Ross

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[Kato]

https://www.ft.com/content/327c4909-fa63-44c8-9c74-206eebe5849e


This is flickering away in the background now. There will be a return to "the troubles" in NI if this goes ahead. Absolute mindless morons in charge if you want peace in Ireland. If that is what they want.

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[lapsedhibee]

https://www.ft.com/content/327c4909-fa63-44c8-9c74-206eebe5849e


This is flickering away in the background now. There will be a return to "the troubles" in NI if this goes ahead. Absolute mindless morons in charge if you want peace in Ireland. If that is what they want.


Wrecking things is what they do best.

[Kato]

Wrecking things is what they do best.Then feed off the chaos. Every sh*t thing that has happened this century has made their donors richer and richer.

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[lapsedhibee]

Been a lot of chat about Ukraine, cost of living, etc, recently but now to more important matters.

Is an Islington Suit a style, like Tuxedo is now, or a suit you wear in a particular place, like Tuxedo used to be? :dunno:

[grunt]

Met police helping the Tories in the local elections by withholding publicly announcing the issuing of fines for senior Tories.


BREAKING: Scotland Yard confirms story that it will not be issuing any more Partygate updates before the May local elections.

A Met Police spokesman said: “Whilst the investigation will continue during the pre-election period due to the restrictions around communicating before the May local elections, we will not provide further updates until after 5 May.”

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/no-boris-johnson-didn-t-mislead-parliament
Johnson innocent.


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[lapsedhibee]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/no-boris-johnson-didn-t-mislead-parliament
Johnson innocent.

if he says he believed the law wasn’t broken, there is no lie

Nearer to two lies than none.

Does Bill Cash write under a pseudonym?

Right back into "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" territory.

Still at least the writer has broadened the debate from just cake to cake and "crips".

Tragic.

[grunt]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/no-boris-johnson-didn-t-mislead-parliament
Johnson innocent.
The Spectator again! And he rolls out the Crown Immunity argument which has been roundly criticised.

[Scorrie]

if he says he believed the law wasn’t broken, there is no lie

Nearer to two lies than none.

Does Bill Cash write under a pseudonym?

Right back into "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" territory.

Still at least the writer has broadened the debate from just cake to cake and "crips".

Tragic.
But how can he not believe a law was being broken when he was on Telly most nights telling us about the laws. Anyway, ignorance is no excuse in the face of the law

[Bostonhibby]

But how can he not believe a law was being broken when he was on Telly most nights telling us about the laws. Anyway, ignorance is no excuse in the face of the lawBut they definitely believe arrogance is an excuse/defence.

Throw a bit of entitlement into the mix and you have the mentality that currently prevails in the upper echelons of the Nasty party

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[Stairway 2 7]

I think the met are in on this, it's ridiculous the other fines aren't being handed out now. Boris can say I genuinely never realised having the cake at work was against the rules, so therefore I didn't deliberately lie to parliament. It might work

If the met give out a fine for the leaving or abba party. Then that defense is gone. They are taking the piss

[lapsedhibee]

I think the met are in on this, it's ridiculous the other fines aren't being handed out now. Boris can say I genuinely never realised having the cake at work was against the rules, so therefore I didn't deliberately lie to parliament. It might work

If the met give out a fine for the leaving or abba party. Then that defense is gone. They are taking the piss

Don't think the polis have said they've stopped giving out fines - just that they've stopped making announcements about them, until May 6.

[Stairway 2 7]

Don't think the polis have said they've stopped giving out fines - just that they've stopped making announcements about them, until May 6.

They've had more than enough time to do them by now, I'm sure it's deliberate

[Bostonhibby]

Don't think the polis have said they've stopped giving out fines - just that they've stopped making announcements about them, until May 6.Because we all know the polis, especially the Met don't get involved in politics or curry favour with any particular party, political or otherwise.

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[ronaldo7]

Following on from, Choose Humza...

Can we get this thread changed to Tories are still lying, racist, bigoted *******s.

Scottish Conservatives candidate dropped after branding Catholic school a 'bigot factory'

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-conservatives-candidate-dropped-after-26766850?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

[Hibernia&Alba]

Following on from, Choose Humza...

Can we get this thread changed to Tories are still lying, racist, bigoted *******s.

Scottish Conservatives candidate dropped after branding Catholic school a 'bigot factory'

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-conservatives-candidate-dropped-after-26766850?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

That's interesting; I've seen that term many times on Follow Follow. I assume he's a Sevconian; perhaps he's a Follow Follow poster, as I haven't seen the term anywhere else. Lots of right wing nutjobs on that forum, too, unsurprisingly.

I went to Catholic schools and they were certainly not 'bigot factories'. There is a legitimate debate to be had surrounding public funding of faith schools, but that kind of talk does nothing for any debate.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That's interesting; I've seen that term many times on Follow Follow. I assume he's a Sevconian; perhaps he's a Follow Follow poster, as I haven't seen the term anywhere else. Lots of right wing nutjobs on that forum, too, unsurprisingly.

I went to Catholic schools and they were certainly not 'bigot factories'. There is a legitimate debate to be had surrounding public funding of faith schools, but that kind of talk does nothing for any debate.

MearnsUnionist, yup that guy was a Follow Follow regular. "Pape families" - interesting:cb

Follow Follow is a Rangers media partner now, too, but they allow that kind of thing on the site? What a shock, eh.

[ronaldo7]

MearnsUnionist, yup that guy was a Follow Follow regular. "Pape families" - interesting:cb

Follow Follow is a Rangers media partner now, too, but they allow that kind of thing on the site? What a shock, eh.

Pals with Murdo. :dunno:

[Stairway 2 7]

Disgusting thing to say and funny as it appears he is the bigot.

Separately though I think there shouldn't be any religious schools

[Skol]

That is awful. Truly awful. How can someone with views like that be allowed to stand for election

[grunt]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/no-boris-johnson-didn-t-mislead-parliament
Johnson innocent.

Haha! It transpires this writer is also a Conservative Councillor. Seems a little strange he never mentioned that in his lawyerly article suggesting Johnson was innocent ...

[ronaldo7]

That is awful. Truly awful. How can someone with views like that be allowed to stand for election

We've got the former world leader of the orange order standing for labour, so the Tories are just trying to go one better. 😉

[weecounty hibby]

Following on from, Choose Humza...

Can we get this thread changed to Tories are still lying, racist, bigoted *******s.

Scottish Conservatives candidate dropped after branding Catholic school a 'bigot factory'

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-conservatives-candidate-dropped-after-26766850?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

These kind of pathetic bigots should never be near any kind of elected position whether it's Council, MSP or ven the PTA!! But the comments from Labour are a total joke. "No place in politics for sectarianism or religious bigotry" as they stand two candidates who are members of the OO!! Typical Labour hypocrisy

[Skol]

We've got the former world leader of the orange order standing for labour, so the Tories are just trying to go one better. 😉

Yes I remember reading that as well and again is astonishing that these views are allowed to be put forward in these kind of roles.

[Kato]

Yes I remember reading that as well and again is astonishing that these views are allowed to be put forward in these kind of roles.Why is it astonishing? Since brexit bigotry has been seem as a big vote winner. Because there has never been a grown up discussion on immigration or things freedom of movement properly explained anything goes. Both major parties are at it.

It's common currency because the press have dripped fed it as the one of the only aspects that should be discussed, ignoring real problems like lack of housing, lack of a real plan on building an economy where people can thrive or the huge disparity that has built over the last 40 years.

It's not surprising in the least and will only become louder and louder.

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[Skol]

Why is it astonishing? Since brexit bigotry has been seem as a big vote winner. Because there has never been a grown up discussion on immigration or things freedom of movement properly explained anything goes. Both major parties are at it.

It's common currency because the press have dripped fed it as the one of the only aspects that should be discussed, ignoring real problems like lack of housing, lack of a real plan on building an economy where people can thrive or the huge disparity that has built over the last 40 years.

It's not surprising in the least and will only become louder and louder.

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And that is the really sad thing that these views are deemed to be acceptable. Plenty other bigoted examples around with these two being extremes and no political party is immune to letting these characters slip through the net. In some cases they are even encouraged.

[JeMeSouviens]

Haha! It transpires this writer is also a Conservative Councillor. Seems a little strange he never mentioned that in his lawyerly article suggesting Johnson was innocent ...


Secret Barrister takes it apart…

https://twitter.com/barristersecret/status/1517204330494967809?s=21&t=XrThzrRkqKrCrdAUeP0QOg

[Kato]

And that is the really sad thing that these views are deemed to be acceptable. Plenty other bigoted examples around with these two being extremes and no political party is immune to letting these characters slip through the net. In some cases they are even encouraged.Exactly. Its been promoted to common currency in the place of any actual discussion about anything. If a subject gets too tricky for any Tory the dogwhistles of Brexit and or immigration come into play. I thought the 80's version of a Tory Party financed by disaster capitalists was as bad as it could get. This Russian backed culture-war bunch are the most corrosive element in this country in my life-time.



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[Ozyhibby]

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I’m a bit concerned that 8% of the population are absolute morons. No wonder these Nigerian Prince scams work.


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[hibsbollah]

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I’m a bit concerned that 8% of the population are absolute morons. No wonder these Nigerian Prince scams work.


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So what I can't fathom is despite those numbers, and the economic woes we're living under, the Tories are still neck and neck in voting intention. Priti Patel's policy of sending Untermenschen to Rwanda is poling well amongst the voters. I actually don't have a clue what's going on with the UK anymore. Its like we actually celebrate wrongdoing, like lying, and lack of empathy, as a virtue.

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/ColinGreene3/status/1517345514114670592?t=K70f9JgeliVPXxolMn0CsA&s=08

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[lapsedhibee]

So what I can't fathom is despite those numbers, and the economic woes we're living under, the Tories are still neck and neck in voting intention. Priti Patel's policy of sending Untermenschen to Rwanda is poling well amongst the voters. I actually don't have a clue what's going on with the UK anymore. Its like we actually celebrate wrongdoing, like lying, and lack of empathy, as a virtue.

Starmer spoke very well in the HoC yesterday about decency and that sort of stuff. If Johnson crashes and burns and the rest of his ****** cabinet goes with someone less indecent than Johnson in charge, then there's some hope for a different atmosphere. (The atmosphere in the Commons itself was mostly excellent, with no Johnson or nodding cabinet donkeys there to bring it down.)

[Stairway 2 7]

Do labour want to face boris in the next election, who they surely should decimate. Or face a new tory that says that was the past regime, we are different ect.

[JeMeSouviens]

Do labour want to face boris in the next election, who they surely should decimate. Or face a new tory that says that was the past regime, we are different ect.

It's hard to pull off the "new broom" schtick if you're part of a party that took over a year to get rid of an obviously lying ****bag. The relentless drip, drip of this is going to go on for months yet. All that detoxification by the Cameroons etc should hopefully be reversed by then.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's hard to pull off the "new broom" schtick if you're part of a party that took over a year to get rid of an obviously lying ****bag. The relentless drip, drip of this is going to go on for months yet. All that detoxification by the Cameroons etc should hopefully be reversed by then.

I'm not saying it would be fair or logical. But the will certainly try it and I think a lot of your average voters will fall for it unfortunately. Most could only name a few of the cabinet if that. I think if boris and Sunak get the boot, they could go with the new era plan.

Regardless if I think boris would be weaker, he still has to go

[JeMeSouviens]

I'm not saying it would be fair or logical. But the will certainly try it and I think a lot of your average voters will fall for it unfortunately. Most could only name a few of the cabinet if that. I think if boris and Sunak get the boot, they could go with the new era plan.

Regardless if I think boris would be weaker, he still has to go

:agree:

Regardless of the tactical advantages for Labour UK and SNP Indy of having this ******** in charge, he's debasing democracy day on day. In a sane world, the UK political class might be realising that a constitution that consists solely of:

1. with a simple majority in the HoC you can do absolutely wtf you like

and

2. we're all such honourable chaps we only need (1)

might not be fit for purpose after all. :rolleyes:

[Bristolhibby]

https://www.ft.com/content/327c4909-fa63-44c8-9c74-206eebe5849e


This is flickering away in the background now. There will be a return to "the troubles" in NI if this goes ahead. Absolute mindless morons in charge if you want peace in Ireland. If that is what they want.

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Can you copy and paste? It’s behind a paywall.

[cabbageandribs1875]

this Sky journalist will be getting a wee telling off for making Big Dog get a tad angry Ian Fraser on Twitter: "Not a good look. Boris Johnson getting quite angry with Sky News’s political editor @BethRigby https://t.co/r50uw5FyHl" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/Ian_Fraser/status/1517205591583768577)


i like the wee vid clip further down answering Q's on his tour, let me let me let me let me, the deliberate stutter he uses when his mind just can't think up the next lie he's going to spew out

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278860789_4843881389043942_6729804826145778895_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=qKX_xHcj-LoAX-2VGcF&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT8nEQynI66ojMBvKCmotRV7C0VEOYe6zQpxMmO8UClq Yw&oe=62682DBA

[greenginger]

Has it been confirmed that all of the civil servants etc. Who were given partygate fines have paid them, or have some been disputed ?

[Kato]

Can you copy and paste? It’s behind a paywall.Sorry BH, can't now. It wasn't when I posted. In a nutshell it's the ghoul's ghoul, Jacob Rees-Mogg threatening to trigger article 16 to mess up the Brexit agreement. He's claiming it was always up for amendment even though he said at the time. If this is triggered there will be trouble.


As an aside a reminder that a third of active IRA members during "the troubles" were British Secret service agents.

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[SHODAN]

:agree:

Regardless of the tactical advantages for Labour UK and SNP Indy of having this ******** in charge, he's debasing democracy day on day. In a sane world, the UK political class might be realising that a constitution that consists solely of:

1. with a simple majority in the HoC you can do absolutely wtf you like

and

2. we're all such honourable chaps we only need (1)

might not be fit for purpose after all. :rolleyes:

FPTP needs done away with for good.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Sorry BH, can't now. It wasn't when I posted. In a nutshell it's the ghoul's ghoul, Jacob Rees-Mogg threatening to trigger article 16 to mess up the Brexit agreement. He's claiming it was always up for amendment even though he said at the time. If this is triggered there will be trouble.


As an aside a reminder that a third of active IRA members during "the troubles" were British Secret service agents.

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JRM is an idiot but article 16 is really a blind spot for the tories and DUP, they seem to think it is an end to the agreement whereas it is actually a (30 day) pause in the agreement to fix the issues raised in the triggering of Article 16, they have no legitimate reason to trigger it because essentially the agreement it working, it is not working like the tories (who wrote and signed it off) or the DUP want it to work but it is working. If the government want to trigger article 16 they will find out that they need actual evidence of it not working in order to trigger it, "our voters don't like how it is working" is not going to be accepted as evidence of the agreement failing.

[Ozyhibby]

Has it been confirmed that all of the civil servants etc. Who were given partygate fines have paid them, or have some been disputed ?

Why are they still in jobs?


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[Kato]

JRM is an idiot but article 16 is really a blind spot for the tories and DUP, they seem to think it is an end to the agreement whereas it is actually a (30 day) pause in the agreement to fix the issues raised in the triggering of Article 16, they have no legitimate reason to trigger it because essentially the agreement it working, it is not working like the tories (who wrote and signed it off) or the DUP want it to work but it is working. If the government want to trigger article 16 they will find out that they need actual evidence of it not working in order to trigger it, "our voters don't like how it is working" is not going to be accepted as evidence of the agreement failing.Jacob Rees-Mortuary was talking in terms of triggering it "in isolation" of the EU. Looking for reasons as to why with this lot is hopeless though, they just want to wreck, destroy and cash-in on whatever looks like a rebuild. Everyone, the Irish, us, the EU are just a minor inconvenience to them.

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[The Tubs]

FPTP needs done away with for good.

The end of the union is probably our best bet.

[Bostonhibby]

Wonder if the Met will send the clown a questionnaire about this one.

https://twitter.com/danielgoyal/status/1517488713034567689?t=-5tGLErx-nLpEBQ_yn92bw&s=08

https://twitter.com/danielgoyal/status/1517488713034567689?t=-5tGLErx-nLpEBQ_yn92bw&s=08