Tories are still lying *******s

[cabbageandribs1875]

Not angry, you seem to be the constantly angry one. Just thought this traitor/quisling chat was poor and quite an extremist view that's all, more often seen in Alba. Just don't think it helps these days, but crack on if that's how you feel. Not seen that from a SNP supporter for a long time.


how so very gallant of you 'allowing' me to crack on james, that's just what i'm going to do james, bless you :not worth use the ignore function :thumbsup:


as for 'constantly' angry ? nah no me, only when it's something to do with your lot :aok:


thank you once again

[cabbageandribs1875]

:agree:
This is exactly the country that the Tories want. P&O is chickens coming home to roost.



Johnson also refused to sign a document last year that would offer workers some protection from events like this, unfortunately the RMT advised their members to vote for Brexit, so many voters fooled by a message on that bus. Genius

[cabbageandribs1875]

wow, both branch parties in Scotland are going all out to attract the dregs

Scottish Tories to investigate Dennistoun council candidate who followed KKK videos | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/20004185.scottish-tories-investigate-dennistoun-council-candidate-followed-kkk-videos/)

TORIES will investigate a council candidate who was revealed to have an interest in far-right commentators including former KKK chief David Duke (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19995713.tories-stand-dennistoun-candidate-interest-kkk-commentator-david-duke/), it has emerged.

The former Ukip candidate also follows far-right vlogger Carl Benjamin, whose videos were demonetised after he made jokes about raping Labour (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/labour/) MP Jess Phillips, and an account called DavidDukeRadioClips, which exclusively features clips of the former KKK grand wizard discussing topics such as race and Zionism.

But when The National approached the Scottish Tories about the content, the party told the newspaper that Robertson had subscribed to the accounts by mistake and later unfollowed them.

lol yeah Right

[matty_f]

https://twitter.com/peterstefanovi2/status/1505484805374361601?s=21

This guy consistently fact checks Tory claims and shows them to be blatant (and often repeated) lies.

[degenerated]

The night that Russia invaded Ukraine it appears Boris Johnson was at a party with the wife of Putin's pal Chernukhin.25688

[grunt]

The night that Russia invaded Ukraine it appears Boris Johnson was at a party with the wife of Putin's pal Chernukhin.
Not just any old party, a party to raise funds for the Tories.

No one ever seems to ask - what do these Russians who give money to the Tories get in exchange for their money?

[lapsedhibee]

No one ever seems to ask - what do these Russians who give money to the Tories get in exchange for their money?

Ian Hislop's had a right good go on this general point during Select Committee hearings and elsewhere, but can't think of anyone else.

[Kato]

Not just any old party, a party to raise funds for the Tories.

No one ever seems to ask - what do these Russians who give money to the Tories get in exchange for their money?The same thing billionaire Chancellor Richi Sunak gets from seeking election to HoC.

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[Bostonhibby]

Not just any old party, a party to raise funds for the Tories.

No one ever seems to ask - what do these Russians who give money to the Tories get in exchange for their money?Maybe they've just always wanted to have breakfast, or play tennis with an old Etonian?

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[Kato]

Maybe they've just always wanted to have breakfast, or play tennis with an old Etonian?

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkIt's second on the list to visiting Salisbury Cathedral for Russians loyal to Putin.

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[hibsbollah]

It's second on the list to visiting Salisbury Cathedral for Russians loyal to Putin.

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“famous not just in Europe, but in the whole world. It’s famous for its 123-metre spire, it’s famous for its clock, the first one [of its kind] ever created in the world, which is still working.”

While they walked around Salisbury, he added, the two men “maybe approached Skripal’s house, but we didn’t know where it was located”.

He may as well have said it was a ‘world beating’ spire.

[Bostonhibby]

It's second on the list to visiting Salisbury Cathedral for Russians loyal to Putin.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkYeah, the options seem to be narrowing now that the Conservative Friends of Russia group suddenly came to an end.



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[cabbageandribs1875]

every decent human feels your anger Mr Stefanovic :agree:

Peter Stefanovic on Twitter: "It’s impossible to contain my anger at the bull**** Chancellor Rishi Sunak was allowed to get away with today. So here are the REAL FACTS https://t.co/GehKk1yJh9" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1505484805374361601)

[Kato]

Not just any old party, a party to raise funds for the Tories.

No one ever seems to ask - what do these Russians who give money to the Tories get in exchange for their money?It is an intriguing question. What do they get? What do we get? There is a report somewhere that shows billionaires coming to live here add nothing to economy, quite the opposite they harm the economy. Why do want to be here? Why do they all support the most corrosive divisive political party? Why, up until the invasion of Ukraine, all support Putin's line in everything he did? What benefit to the poorest in the UK gain from them being here? Maybe some of the "patriotic Scots who also like to be British because of their emotions so much so that they also vote Tory" could explain the phenomenon. I personally think it stinks of disruption, interference in our institutions, money laundering and criminality.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

from 2013..... Tories are now in a position to do this



https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/276143071_10223867055397243_3493161628969964345_n. jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=oh_4ej_pcgcAX8ZBaPZ&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_SQ9DknzrLE4I0s1-5y3DZJq_Vn5RskMoa6cLrf1SKGw&oe=623CC244

[cabbageandribs1875]

It is an intriguing question. What do they get? What do we get? There is a report somewhere that shows billionaires coming to live here add nothing to economy, quite the opposite they harm the economy. Why do want to be here? Why do they all support the most corrosive divisive political party? Why, up until the invasion of Ukraine, all support Putin's line in everything he did? What benefit to the poorest in the UK gain from them being here? Maybe some of the "patriotic Scots who also like to be British because of their emotions so much so that they also vote Tory" could explain the phenomenon. I personally think it stinks of disruption, interference in our institutions, money laundering and criminality.

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you won't get an answer, tories on here have been asked hundreds of times over the years to tell us why we are better of in an unequal union, they won't answer because they can't

[Steven79]

you won't get an answer, tories on here have been asked hundreds of times over the years to tell us why we are better of in an unequal union, they won't answer because they can'tThey have been conditioned from birth and just won't accept that they have been brainwashed.

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[Moulin Yarns]

you won't get an answer, tories on here have been asked hundreds of times over the years to tell us why we are better of in an unequal union, they won't answer because they can't

Even the most tory of non tories, for example the crabbie poster, known as greenginger

[Kato]

you won't get an answer, tories on here have been asked hundreds of times over the years to tell us why we are better of in an unequal union, they won't answer because they can'tThat's not what I'm asking, the "union" question.

I'm talking about the stability and security of the United Kingdom which, we are told, we should all feel patriotic about. I'm not patriotic about the UK or Scotland. I love where I come from. I also love lots of foreign places I've visited and worked in and love some parts of England way more than some parts of Scotland. I'm not really interested in finding ways to hate anywhere else, so I don't.

But what gives with the last 10-15 years? Allied and near neighbour countries have been portrayed as taking something from us in some devious, undemocratic manner whereas Russia is country ruled by a dictator and it has weapons of mass destruction aimed at us. It uses London's financial "advantages" to the point where it has become a global joke. It sent killers to spread poison in a English town and the dictator sort of shrugged it off and had a laugh. Thousands of outlandishly rich people from that country, a enemy in living memory, can buy a passport for £2MIL and give Her Majesty's Sovereign govts ruling party a third of its financial needs since 2010.

This isn't Russophobia BTW, I've a strand of Russian family history which I've always been intrigued by. I've partied with Russian peeps and have found some of them lovely and some of them that's just like everybody else in the world.

None of these business people buying those passports operate independent of Putin, they wouldn't be allowed to take that money out of Russia without his say so and they can't own the source of their wealth without his blessing.

Why do the Oligarchs love the Tory Party so much?

What good does having them in uk benefit our sovereignty?

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[lapsedhibee]

It is an intriguing question. What do they get? What do we get? There is a report somewhere that shows billionaires coming to live here add nothing to economy, quite the opposite they harm the economy. Why do want to be here? Why do they all support the most corrosive divisive political party? Why, up until the invasion of Ukraine, all support Putin's line in everything he did? What benefit to the poorest in the UK gain from them being here? Maybe some of the "patriotic Scots who also like to be British because of their emotions so much so that they also vote Tory" could explain the phenomenon. I personally think it stinks of disruption, interference in our institutions, money laundering and criminality.


Don't think there's any other conclusion could be reasonably arrived at. The best alternative is Brandon Lewis's explanation that Russians give money to the Tory party because they "admire" it. https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/russia-report-conservative-tory-donors-brandon-lewis-560586

[greenginger]

Even the most tory of non tories, for example the crabbie poster, known as greenginger


Hope your meaning Crabbie as in Crabbies Greenginger, cos I’m anything but crabby :greengrin

Why am I assumed to be Tory just cos I disagree with SNP and put another side to the constant attempts to criticise the UK gov whilst ignoring the cockups and shambles of our own Scots Gov .

[majorhibs]

Hope your meaning Crabbie as in Crabbies Greenginger, cos I’m anything but crabby :greengrin

Why am I assumed to be Tory just cos I disagree with SNP and put another side to the constant attempts to criticise the UK gov whilst ignoring the cockups and shambles of our own Scots Gov .

Because, Sherlock, in a 2 horse race in engerlund there is 1 side or the other. That unfortunately decides that Scotland is ruled by Tories. You constantly take sides AGAINST anyone who doesn’t like what tories are & what they do. Hence, Sherlock, you are a tory by backing the other side in our pretty useless system, as you oppose anything anti-tory. While “claiming” to have voted remain. Mr Holmes.

[Kato]

Getting away from Baker Street for moment there has been some leaked emails showing how Cabinet Ministers blocked purchases of face masks in favour of a company who charged double the price. Middle men in the deal were payed millions for reasons not quite known, unless you factor in sheer criminality.

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1505817365904244739?t=ULqLKmPAEYEmSa13rVV6MA&s=19

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[JeMeSouviens]

Hope your meaning Crabbie as in Crabbies Greenginger, cos I’m anything but crabby :greengrin

Why am I assumed to be Tory just cos I disagree with SNP and put another side to the constant attempts to criticise the UK gov whilst ignoring the cockups and shambles of our own Scots Gov .

I take it you have realised which party is running said government? :confused:

[Steven79]

I take it you have realised which party is running said government? :confused:[emoji23]

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[greenginger]

I take it you have realised which party is running said government? :confused:

Yep, it’s the SNP party which is running cock-up central at Holyrood .

[grunt]

... constant attempts to criticise the UK gov ...

I take it you have realised which party is running said government? :confused:


Yep, it’s the SNP

Having difficulty keeping up with a conversation you started?

[greenginger]

Having difficulty keeping up with a conversation you started?

Nope, but I think you are.

[WeeRussell]

Nope, but I think you are.

Clearly you don’t have to answer if you don’t wish to, but do you mind me asking which political party you do support/most recently voted for?

[grunt]

It was admitted in court today that all of Boris Johnson's pandemic phone messages are unavailable.

The Cabinet Office: ‘In April 2021, in light of a well-publicised security breach, the Prime Minister implemented security advice relating to a mobile device. The effect was that historic messages were no longer available to search and the phone is not active.’

Conveniently the final No.10 party being investigated by police was in April 2021, the cut off date before which messages are “unavailable”.

Funny that.

[WhileTheChief..]

Perhaps GG can keep up with this one.

It was admitted in court today that all of Boris Johnson's pandemic phone messages are unavailable.

The Cabinet Office: ‘In April 2021, in light of a well-publicised security breach, the Prime Minister implemented security advice relating to a mobile device. The effect was that historic messages were no longer available to search and the phone is not active.’

Conveniently the final No.10 party being investigated by police was in April 2021, the cut off date before which messages are “unavailable”.

Funny that.

How can you expect punters on here to answer these sorts of questions?

[grunt]

How can you expect punters on here to answer these sorts of questions?I'm not aware that I asked a question.

[Kato]

It was admitted in court today that all of Boris Johnson's pandemic phone messages are unavailable.

The Cabinet Office: ‘In April 2021, in light of a well-publicised security breach, the Prime Minister implemented security advice relating to a mobile device. The effect was that historic messages were no longer available to search and the phone is not active.’

Conveniently the final No.10 party being investigated by police was in April 2021, the cut off date before which messages are “unavailable”.

Funny that.Well known gangster tactic.

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[hibsbollah]

Well known gangster tactic.

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Government by burner phone.

[majorhibs]

To re-iterate, Greenginge created an alternative thread along similar lines, I don’t like any party, but while my only politics ATM is totally against the lying farce that is this engerlund elected brexit nonsense govt, & we all know gove/mogg/Cummins/johnson et al, while lying deceitful snake tongued wife cheating (+hancock) while we have to call all aforementioned pieces of slime “our govt” greenginge created a take the heat off, deflection, look elsewhere thread, therefore trying to pin down greenginge for me is proving very problematic! Don’t think he is 007, likewise I don’t think he’s ultimate fool David Cameron. Seems bit masculine for Ruth Davidson? & not clueless enough for the wannabee ref! Or the other lesser tory if that can be a thing in Scotland?
Nah, I may just have to accept it that greenginge is this non-political fairminded non tory who appears to want to defend torys to the end! If only we could all find that kindae fanaticism, eh?

(What other party are lying B”s like yer tory’s tho, eh, greenginge??)

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1506345514765275147?t=s-nWa6loaPLj4PMsRJtG3Q&s=19

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[ronaldo7]

Eight weeks into the partygate investigations, and, the Met have just started to interview people, as witnesses.

[Kato]

Eight weeks into the partygate investigations, and, the Met have just started to interview people, as witnesses.Do you reckon they'll interview each person using reeeeaaaallllyyyyy llllloooonnnnnggggg sssssssyyyyyllaaaaables to stretch it out a bit more?

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[Bostonhibby]

Eight weeks into the partygate investigations, and, the Met have just started to interview people, as witnesses.Wait until they get a suspect, then you really will see the finely tuned machine that is the Met spring into action.

They might even interview the Met officers who might have been on duty at the scene of the crime (s).

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[Killiehibbie]

Wait until they get a suspect, then you really will see the finely tuned machine that is the Met spring into action.

They might even interview the Met officers who might have been on duty at the scene of the crime (s).

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Anything incriminating will get put in a sealed box for 75 years

[Bostonhibby]

Anything incriminating will get put in a sealed box for 75 yearsUnless the box goes the same way as the burner phones[emoji16]

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[majorhibs]

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1506345514765275147?t=s-nWa6loaPLj4PMsRJtG3Q&s=19

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No one can look at that & say the tory party are not ****! 4 yrs prison for fleeing a war? In fact imo everything & everyone & all that’s tory is **** the nite, you think refugees Women & Kids fleeing being bombed by tyrants deserve 4 years jail if they don’t meet your “criteria “ I know who I think the 4 yrs should be for.

[degenerated]

The compassion of the Tory party knows no bounds

https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/1506340930579742726?t=wkEjpA6xmHkKUbpSU87ZjA&s=19

[Radium]

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Daily Mail Political editor reporting from a supermarket boss that foodbanks are refusing root vegetables and potatoes because people can’t afford the energy to boil them. Helpfully corrected by a Conservative (per bio) who points out that it is because they can’t be bothered to peel them.

https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/1506551739012595714?s=21


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[Renfrew_Hibby]

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Daily Mail Political editor reporting from a supermarket boss that foodbanks are refusing root vegetables and potatoes because people can’t afford the energy to boil them. Helpfully corrected by a Conservative (per bio) who points out that it is because they can’t be bothered to peel them.

https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/1506551739012595714?s=21


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Vile witch

[lapsedhibee]

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Daily Mail Political editor reporting from a supermarket boss that foodbanks are refusing root vegetables and potatoes because people can’t afford the energy to boil them. Helpfully corrected by a Conservative (per bio) who points out that it is because they can’t be bothered to peel them.

https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/1506551739012595714?s=21


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The surprise there is that it's only a Conservative, rather than a Conservative MP, who believes that eating raw potatoes, peeled, is absolutely fine. Well, absolutely fine for poor people anyway. A place in the Cabinet awaits (HoL route).

[WeeRussell]

No one can look at that & say the tory party are not ****!

Oh. You're not on here very often, are you?

Give it a couple of posts...

[lapsedhibee]

Johnson seems very jolly this week.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1506614564510654467

Have the Met told him he's off their hook? :dunno:

[Hibrandenburg]

Johnson seems very jolly this week.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1506614564510654467

Have the Met told him he's off their hook? :dunno:Not how it works, he's told the Met that he's off their hook.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Johnson seems very jolly this week.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1506614564510654467

Have the Met told him he's off their hook? :dunno:

He's not laughing at what's being said as is being implied. But like a child he's giggling at what some other idiot behind him is saying. Lindsey hoyle loves pulling up the snp for needing to respect the house, why they are a bunch of halfwits

[lapsedhibee]

He's not laughing at what's being said as is being implied. But like a child he's giggling at what some other idiot behind him is saying. Lindsey hoyle loves pulling up the snp for needing to respect the house, why they are a bunch of halfwits

Hoyle was a disgrace today. He didn't pull Starmer up for calling Johnson 'half-arsed'. If using the word arse in Parliament won't bring about the end of democracy, just like failing to use the word 'inadvertently' when you're pointing out that the government's been lying, I don't know what will. :bitchy:

[degenerated]

He's not laughing at what's being said as is being implied. But like a child he's giggling at what some other idiot behind him is saying. Lindsey hoyle loves pulling up the snp for needing to respect the house, why they are a bunch of halfwitsSurely as a country we can do better than this. 25703

[Stairway 2 7]

Surely as a country we can do better than this. 25703

You wouldn't leave him in charge of your goldfish never mind nation

[Steven79]

You wouldn't leave him in charge of your goldfish never mind nationThe goldfish probably has a better attention span...

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[hibsbollah]

Surely as a country we can do better than this. 25703

No words.

[majorhibs]

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?351465-Tories-are-still-lying-*******s/page127
Thread title. What imo the last good few days for on this thread & website have proved big style- the folks backing them on here are cut from exactly the same cloth- spin deflection lie absolutely whatever it needs & takes- how they back this greedy gutter tory trash then look themselves in the mirror, unless they are still blaming the wee vainglorious Corbyn who only had to sit back & wait on the nasties completely tearing themselves apart. It was about to happen. Then Labour against all logic & advice called an election & that caused the disaster that is brexit.

[Bostonhibby]

Just checked again, definitely still lying ********

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[WeeRussell]

He's not laughing at what's being said as is being implied. But like a child he's giggling at what some other idiot behind him is saying. Lindsey hoyle loves pulling up the snp for needing to respect the house, why they are a bunch of halfwits

I think the way the tweet is written is correct, it doesn’t imply anything over and above that?

Strangely I happened to just walk past the tv as this particular part was happening and caught the faces and wondered about the above myself. He’s an absolute welt and makes my stomach turn.

To think so many people thought it was clever/funny to vote for such an imbecile. And to think some people still do…

[JimBHibees]

Not how it works, he's told the Met that he's off their hook.

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Exactly :agree:

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1506902879239651333

Nothing to do with me gov. I just reap the Rishi Rewards.:rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1506902879239651333

Nothing to do with me gov. I just reap the Rishi Rewards.:rolleyes:

Sky and LBC posed him the difficult questions, from what I’ve seen the bbc coverage has been compliant and echoed the Sunak narrative that Ukraine is the reason there’s a cost of living crisis.

[grunt]

Man of the people - chancellor of the exchequer doesn’t know how to use contactless

https://twitter.com/LMAsaysno/status/1506746178096046087?s=20&t=Mpv5qnTIrlYDeHCEN4bHJA

[AugustaHibs]

Sunak is a horrible piece of ****

[grunt]

Johnson getting his ear bent by Joe Biden at NATO photocall

https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1506933311331270659?s=20&t=Mpv5qnTIrlYDeHCEN4bHJA

[JeMeSouviens]

Man of the people - chancellor of the exchequer doesn’t know how to use contactless

https://twitter.com/LMAsaysno/status/1506746178096046087?s=20&t=Mpv5qnTIrlYDeHCEN4bHJA

I mean why should he, he's a ****** billionaire ffs. It's a bit like Starmer and Union Jacks - people can spot a phony a mile away. Better to be yourself, in Sunak's case say "I'm really lucky to be well off enough to be insulated from this, but I understand how hard it is for most".

[Kato]

Sky and LBC posed him the difficult questions, from what I’ve seen the bbc coverage has been compliant and echoed the Sunak narrative that Ukraine is the reason there’s a cost of living crisis.Nobody mentioning the B word either. Brexit is costing the economy twice the damage caused by the pandemic, that cost will go on year on year.

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[grunt]

Tory cheats and liars getting PPE contacts for their mates, using personal email accounts. Now why would they do that? Nothing to see here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOm9SH2XEAIAgug?format=jpg&name=large

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1506902879239651333

Nothing to do with me gov. I just reap the Rishi Rewards.:rolleyes:

And of course it is to do with him. In assessing potential conflicts of interest the ministerial code requires MPs to take spouses investments into account.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOm-WkqX0AMTtp_?format=jpg&name=large

[Kato]

World leading at getting dingied.

https://twitter.com/tradasro/status/1506923395765653510?t=j8Vy_pO_vQzRfG-tL3-GOg&s=19

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[WeeRussell]

World leading at getting dingied.

https://twitter.com/tradasro/status/1506923395765653510?t=j8Vy_pO_vQzRfG-tL3-GOg&s=19

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He’s such a trumpet.

[WhileTheChief..]

Sky and LBC posed him the difficult questions, from what I’ve seen the bbc coverage has been compliant and echoed the Sunak narrative that Ukraine is the reason there’s a cost of living crisis.


I think the Sunak situation is ridiculous but are you sure about your choice of words here?

From what I'm reading online, from news sources on various countries and continents, every country is facing a cost of living crisis.

[WeeRussell]

I think the Sunak situation is ridiculous but are you sure about your choice of words here?

From what I'm reading online, from news sources on various countries and continents, every country is facing a cost of living crisis.

And we are already in one, I think is the point.

[WhileTheChief..]

Social distancing.

[gbhibby]

World leading at getting dingied.

https://twitter.com/tradasro/status/1506923395765653510?t=j8Vy_pO_vQzRfG-tL3-GOg&s=19

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Looks like the guy who nobody wants to pick for their team but turns up anyway but has no pals.

[Kato]

Looks like the guy who nobody wants to pick for their team but turns up anyway but has no pals.....because he's called them Nazi's and tried to turn everyone else against them....

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[grunt]

Rishi Sunak borrowed a Sainsburys worker's Kia Rio for his petrol station photo shoot

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOnTR9RWQAkDje9?format=jpg&name=medium

[Stairway 2 7]

Heard Rishi tried to put a piece of bread into a ATM thinking it would go to a foodbank

[overdrive]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOnTR9RWQAkDje9?format=jpg&name=medium

Saw that on the news last night and said to myself “no chance does he drive a Kia Rio”. Not that there’s anything wrong with that - I drive a Kia Rio but he most definitely will not.

[Jones28]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOnTR9RWQAkDje9?format=jpg&name=medium

The video clip on twitter of him not knowing how pay actual money for his fuel is hilarious.

[CropleyWasGod]

The video clip on twitter of him not knowing how pay actual money for his fuel is hilarious.

Along the lines of Mandelson wanting guacamole with his fish supper? 😄

[grunt]

Johnson wandering aimlessly at the NATO summit being ignored by all and sundry

https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1506996196879044618?s=20&t=vj8ggyY9FMTBnNJA03sJKw

[overdrive]

The video clip on twitter of him not knowing how pay actual money for his fuel is hilarious.

I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one that *maybe* he thought he had been asked for a loyalty card that needed scanned by the petrol station worker… but I’m pretty sure you can see a Mastercard logo on the card!

[overdrive]

Johnson wandering aimlessly at the NATO summit being ignored by all and sundry

https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1506996196879044618?s=20&t=vj8ggyY9FMTBnNJA03sJKw

The reply to that tweet where someone has posted a video of Boris walking along a line of people, shaking hands with all the white folk but ignoring the black people, shows him up for the racist that he is!

[hibsbollah]

I think the Sunak situation is ridiculous but are you sure about your choice of words here?

From what I'm reading online, from news sources on various countries and continents, every country is facing a cost of living crisis.

Economists were pretty unanimous that a downward curve had already started, a perfect storm of Brexit, Labour shortages, supply shortages, fuel inflation, standard index inflation was also at 6% and climbing last month before the war had started.

[Jack]

I think the Sunak situation is ridiculous but are you sure about your choice of words here?

From what I'm reading online, from news sources on various countries and continents, every country is facing a cost of living crisis.

We already had an oven ready financial crisis.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220324/8b8bb724b84b99ea61d284565f6fea35.jpg

Tories draw level again. There is only one way of escaping them Scotland.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

A man worth £200 million gives financial advice to a single mum


https://youtu.be/zY9JkQ6YTjw

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Saw that on the news last night and said to myself “no chance does he drive a Kia Rio”. Not that there’s anything wrong with that - I drive a Kia Rio but he most definitely will not.

Probably got a luxury car collection over in california. Kia, geez a break

[Hibernia&Alba]

Along the lines of Mandelson wanting guacamole with his fish supper? 😄

Aye, he'd never heard of mushy peas.

[Stairway 2 7]

Aye, he'd never heard of mushy peas.

Myth made by the telegraph apparently

[Glory Lurker]

Myth made by the telegraph apparently

How would they have heard of mushy peas?

[Jones28]

How would they have heard of mushy peas?

Their cleaners told them about it.

[Kato]

Ukrainian MP Lesia Vasylenko on Newsnight tonight saying that Putin cannot be trusted, that whatever Putin and his Generals say they usually lie and she said whatever messages are coming out from him they should be interpreted by using the "method of reverse psychology".

https://twitter.com/COLRICHARDKEMP/status/1507125722137219078?t=j1rLaAmR9khI4W6IzmEqpQ&s=19

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[Steven79]

Ukrainian MP Lesia Vasylenko on Newsnight tonight saying that Putin cannot be trusted, that whatever Putin and his Generals say they usually lie and she said whatever messages are coming out from him they should be interpreted by using the "method of reverse psychology".

https://twitter.com/COLRICHARDKEMP/status/1507125722137219078?t=j1rLaAmR9khI4W6IzmEqpQ&s=19

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkSounds like the Tories.

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[Hibrandenburg]

Ukrainian MP Lesia Vasylenko on Newsnight tonight saying that Putin cannot be trusted, that whatever Putin and his Generals say they usually lie and she said whatever messages are coming out from him they should be interpreted by using the "method of reverse psychology".

https://twitter.com/COLRICHARDKEMP/status/1507125722137219078?t=j1rLaAmR9khI4W6IzmEqpQ&s=19

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkThat was the first thing I thought when Putin supposedly branded Johnson enemy number 1.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

https://youtu.be/4UlmVWqpr8M

[Kato]

https://archive.ph/2022.03.27-061406/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/charlie-elphicke-the-predator-mp-and-his-protection-racket-3kb30pl6w


Brutal story of serial sexual predator MP, his wife telling lie after lie to defend him, then telling lies that she didn't. The Sunday Times has performed really well here.

The sense of entitlement coming from both husband and wife is overwhelming, that along with a Tory Party machine willing to stick up for him shows exactly the type of narcissists who are in charge of the country just now.

Any decent Tory MP, eg the thick ones who eyes open very slowly, should abandon this lot ASAP.

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[Callum_62]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/27/government-paid-firm-linked-to-tory-peer-122m-for-ppe-bought-for-46m?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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[Skol]

https://archive.ph/2022.03.27-061406/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/charlie-elphicke-the-predator-mp-and-his-protection-racket-3kb30pl6w


Brutal story of serial sexual predator MP, his wife telling lie after lie to defend him, then telling lies that she didn't. The Sunday Times has performed really well here.

The sense of entitlement coming from both husband and wife is overwhelming, that along with a Tory Party machine willing to stick up for him shows exactly the type of narcissists who are in charge of the country just now.

Any decent Tory MP, eg the thick ones who eyes open very slowly, should abandon this lot ASAP.

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I have just read that and it’s an awful account of the whole, story. There is so much about elphicke, his wife and his colleagues that is just plain wrong.

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/27/government-paid-firm-linked-to-tory-peer-122m-for-ppe-bought-for-46m?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

It's worth spelling out the headline for anyone who doesn't want to click on the link:


Government paid firm linked to Tory peer £122m for PPE bought for £46m

[cabbageandribs1875]

It's worth spelling out the headline for anyone who doesn't want to click on the link:


i always click on a Guardian link, majority(if not ALL) of their journalists have been very good the last couple of years, an independent centre-left publication

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1508151165363658757?t=nH8YUCN_-rXny0_l3mml0A&s=19

Being in Putin's side runs in the family.

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[hibsbollah]

https://archive.ph/2022.03.27-061406/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/charlie-elphicke-the-predator-mp-and-his-protection-racket-3kb30pl6w


Brutal story of serial sexual predator MP, his wife telling lie after lie to defend him, then telling lies that she didn't. The Sunday Times has performed really well here.

The sense of entitlement coming from both husband and wife is overwhelming, that along with a Tory Party machine willing to stick up for him shows exactly the type of narcissists who are in charge of the country just now.

Any decent Tory MP, eg the thick ones who eyes open very slowly, should abandon this lot ASAP.

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That is actually stomach churning. I’m not sure which individual comes off worse, perhaps Nathalie Elphicke. But it’s the system that’s rotten.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1507555204371255298?s=21&t=LmC22skLosKmUU6Hva4_hw

Patel falls for prank call as well.


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[grunt]

https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1507555204371255298?s=21&t=LmC22skLosKmUU6Hva4_hw

Patel falls for prank call as well.

Just how incompetent is this Tory Government?

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1507555204371255298?s=21&t=LmC22skLosKmUU6Hva4_hw

Patel falls for prank call as well.


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She's a vile woman but so are the two pranksters. They've been banned from YouTube for Russian sponsored misinformation. You can see all the Russian and Serbian flags in the comments loving it

[Hibrandenburg]

Just how incompetent is this Tory Government?To fall for pranks like this, your ego needs to exceed your intelligence.

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[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/world/twenty-fixed-penalty-notices-to-be-issued-over-downing-street-lockdown-parties

The first 20 fixed penalties for breaking covid rules to be issued

[Ryan91]

20 fines to be issued for Downing Street lockdown parties, PM clearly misled parliament, will he resign?

[Bostonhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/world/twenty-fixed-penalty-notices-to-be-issued-over-downing-street-lockdown-parties

The first 20 fixed penalties for breaking covid rules to be issuedHow can this be? We were repeatedly assured that there were no parties? Especially during lockdowns where ordinary people were sick or dying.



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[ronaldo7]

https://news.stv.tv/world/twenty-fixed-penalty-notices-to-be-issued-over-downing-street-lockdown-parties

The first 20 fixed penalties for breaking covid rules to be issued

This bit has Boris for the chop. He said there were no parties, or laws broken, at the dispatch box. He lied to parliament. Bring on the next one.

But the Met’s intervention, confirming that laws were broken at the heart of government, could reignite the debate about his leadership.

[lapsedhibee]

20 fines to be issued for Downing Street lockdown parties, PM clearly misled parliament, will he resign?

He lies in Parliament every week without any consequences. Why would he think he should resign for this one particular lie? :dunno:

[grunt]

But the Met’s intervention, confirming that laws were broken at the heart of government, could reignite the debate about his leadership.
It's old news, no one cares about parties, it's all just fluff, there's a war on. We need to move on.

[Stairway 2 7]

Unfortunately I think there delaying tactics will have worked. A lot of the anger has subsided, covid is less of an issue now and there is a war to hide behind.

Although if the bafoon himself gets a fine then surely he's gone, it'll probably be disposable people though

[ronaldo7]

It's old news, no one cares about parties, it's all just fluff, there's a war on. We need to move on.

G has changed to GG overnight. :greengrin Inflation :wink:

[grunt]

G has changed to GG overnight. :greengrin Inflation :wink:Sorry, forgot the :wink: on my post.

[grunt]

More good deals done by the Tory Govt?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPBJ6KGXMAUbV3i?format=jpg&name=large

[ronaldo7]

More good deals done by the Tory Govt?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPBJ6KGXMAUbV3i?format=jpg&name=large

That's the ones that can't shoot whilst they are moving. :faf::faf:

[grunt]

That's the ones that can't shoot whilst they are moving. :faf::faf:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPBJ6N6WYAQVEN7?format=jpg&name=large

[grunt]

A cross party groups of MPs (including SNPs Alyn Smith) have taken a case to the European Court of Human Rights to get the UK Govt to act on the ISC report into foreign interference in UK democracy.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/mar/29/european-court-urged-to-challenge-uk-failure-to-investigate-russia-interference


https://youtu.be/mLk_CiBmW_c

[Bostonhibby]

That's the ones that can't shoot whilst they are moving. :faf::faf:Maybe it's one of de Pfeffel's environmental improvement plans?

Zero fuel consumed when they are not moving. I'd get Matt Hancock's pub landlord on the case and order up a few more thousand through him.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

another Tory up to her Bra in crookedness....and Lies, a Tory Trait

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277355034_5354221764608508_5858751961963815717_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=IclzbpE_GkAAX-LfNI2&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_KJmj8nYF3VXSZLGjl7xV7GqmpgQIMlw5ryytV1EjX 0w&oe=62488797

[JimBHibees]

another Tory up to her Bra in crookedness....and Lies, a Tory Trait

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277355034_5354221764608508_5858751961963815717_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=IclzbpE_GkAAX-LfNI2&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_KJmj8nYF3VXSZLGjl7xV7GqmpgQIMlw5ryytV1EjX 0w&oe=62488797

BBC have yet to cover it says it all. You would have thought a huge personal interest story in Scotland

[Ozyhibby]

From last night’s Tory booze up.


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[Kato]

From last night’s Tory booze up.


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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220330/213e14f3be161c08715dd6cc2c1b6f61.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSounds like a jolly good booze up with lots of back slapping at the great job they are doing ****ing up the oiks.

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[Bostonhibby]

Sounds like a jolly good booze up with lots of back slapping at the great job they are doing ****ing up the oiks.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkBoundaries of acceptable behaviour and outright thievery pushed even further and they expect to get away with it now that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel has deflected off into leading the world into defeating Putin.

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[Moulin Yarns]

From last night’s Tory booze up.


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On Brandreth, he was a broadcaster long before his short stint as a Tory MP. Apart from that, what a shower!!!

[Kato]

On Brandreth, he was a broadcaster long before his short stint as a Tory MP. Apart from that, what a shower!!!Reminded me of this.


https://youtu.be/W7lsRbDKOXg


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[grunt]

Neat little film about the Tories' criminal cronyism and waste of PPE spend.

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1509160191333384196?s=20&t=8qFFvyg-9LWrV8n37vGLoQ

[cabbageandribs1875]

BBC have yet to cover it says it all. You would have thought a huge personal interest story in Scotland



the HoL's standards commissioner will probably ban her for a day


however the UK tax payers cash will be lost forever and her husbands business helped a lot of people with its tax avoidance schemes

what a Pair(no jokes), she helps steal it, he helps hide it

[cabbageandribs1875]

Derek Wann: Angus councillor faces standards inquiry after unmasked as Twitter troll | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/20029153.derek-wann-angus-councillor-faces-standards-inquiry-unmasked-twitter-troll/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR2d6uLWaWhG7QhGz_fjQzECvsHMouZgifFFQ4CaY 0oIm3oJBGLbUGotRh0)

freak

A CONSERVATIVE councillor is facing a Standards Commission Inquiry into his behaviour a year after being outed as a notorious Twitter troll.

Angus politician Derek Wann was revealed in 2021 to be behind the Lady Whistledown (AngusFreeofSNP) Twitter account.

The account targeted opposition politicians with abuse and was described as “misogynistic and transphobic” by critics.

The Twitter account, which is named after a character from the TV series Bridgerton, also mocked Dundee's drug death record.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The de Pfeffel waffle


https://youtu.be/027yLWHBEns

[cabbageandribs1875]

nice socks Big Dog 25725



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[cabbageandribs1875]

Javid reinstates parking charges for NHS staff down south, another Tory manifesto pledge broken

[Hibrandenburg]

The de Pfeffel waffle


https://youtu.be/027yLWHBEnsEmbarrassing was when the leader of the SNP in Westminster asked Johnson how Scottish pensioners can heat their homes and Johnson's reply was basically to call him fat.

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[lapsedhibee]

Embarrassing was when the leader of the SNP in Westminster asked Johnson how Scottish pensioners can heat their homes and Johnson's reply was basically to call him fat.


Johnson's doing the right thing there, because whenever he does it the animal noises behind him increase. It's British democracy in action, and it's the best in the world.

[Kato]

Johnson's doing the right thing there, because whenever he does it the animal noises behind him increase. It's British democracy in action, and it's the best in the world.They make animal noises hoping to get rewarded with being allowed to wear animal skins.

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[weecounty hibby]

Purely designed to show the contempt with which they hold Scotland. Like it or not SNP is the 3rd biggest party at Westminster. It was 100% relevant question as to why Scots are going cold and also being penalised more than anywhere else due to cost increases. The best Johnson can come up with is a cheap playground jibe. And still there are people in Scotland who defend him

[Bostonhibby]

They make animal noises hoping to get rewarded with being allowed to wear animal skins.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkDidn't "Big Dog" do things with pigs as part of his formative / educational process / being in a club?

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[CropleyWasGod]

Didn't "Big Dog" do things with pigs as part of his formative / educational process / being in a club?

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The pig knocked him back.

[Moulin Yarns]

The pig knocked him back.

That was straight from the horses mouth 😉

[Kato]

Didn't "Big Dog" do things with pigs as part of his formative / educational process / being in a club?

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[Bostonhibby]

The pig knocked him back.Even though he invited it to one of those party things that obviously wasn't a party?

Sounds like it was just playing hard to get.

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[Bostonhibby]

Moo.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkYou can't fool me

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[Kato]

You can't fool me

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkWell it works for them.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Jesus christ

City A.M.
@CityAM
· 3h
The majority of Brits, 57%, say the country should move on from #partygate and 63% are “tired” of hearing about it, a new poll has show:

https://cityam.com/majority-of-br

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-03-31/exclusive-government-ditches-ban-on-conversion-therapy-leaked-document-shows


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[lapsedhibee]

Jesus christ

City A.M.
@CityAM
· 3h
The majority of Brits, 57%, say the country should move on from #partygate and 63% are “tired” of hearing about it, a new poll has show:


Met delaying tactics working as intended then.

[ronaldo7]

Jesus christ

City A.M.
@CityAM
· 3h
The majority of Brits, 57%, say the country should move on from #partygate and 63% are “tired” of hearing about it, a new poll has show:

https://cityam.com/majority-of-br

The moray rambler will have withdrawn his letter then.

You can never trust a tory.

[CropleyWasGod]

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-03-31/exclusive-government-ditches-ban-on-conversion-therapy-leaked-document-shows


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Appalling but unsurprising.

[Radium]

Over a decade taking the Ruble

https://twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1509414334828589059?s=21&t=9oPX5G4HO8zanmAwVplhhA


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[cabbageandribs1875]

a lot of voters down south will only waken up when they get that first bill for a GP/Hospital appointment through their letterbox :agree: and by then it will be far too late

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[James310]

a lot of voters down south will only waken up when they get that first bill for a GP/Hospital appointment through their letterbox :agree: and by then it will be far too late

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277570775_694416835309076_5965730793463761455_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=q7Pfp9ZdE3gAX9GcQzj&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-jjx7LBn93FSTCZg-nzIpIn1q2yaxAURgZe_8a3-AUeQ&oe=624BBF53


https://archive.ph/qJ5es


Who is RS Archer?

The short answer is, nobody. He doesn’t exist.

The Twitter profile @archer_rs has just shy of 90,000 followers and claims in its bio to belong to the “author of the 'David Saunders' book series”.
“My wife and I are to be found either in the Dordogne or on our travels,” it adds.

Previous versions of the biography ended “or in our GXV Patagonia”. A photograph of this expedition vehicle also previously featured, but has since been replaced with generic images of French countryside.
The “David Saunders” book series does not exist.

What’s the troll’s aim?

It seems the troll’s sole aim is to sow disinformation and harvest likes and retweets.
Regardless of the account’s dubious intentions, it provides a good example of how such falsehoods can rapidly spread on social media. Too often people are taken at their word, especially if that word confirms our own inherent biases or plays to news we’d like to hear
.
Archer's first major hit came on June 29, 2020, after a series of tweets claiming to tell the story of some angry and dense Brexiteers with a home in France went viral. The tweet thread went on for days, only finally concluding on July 2.

[Kato]

a lot of voters down south will only waken up when they get that first bill for a GP/Hospital appointment through their letterbox :agree: and by then it will be far too late

The national grid was sold to an Australian company last weekend. NHS about the only thing left.

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[Jack]

https://archive.ph/qJ5es


Who is RS Archer?

The short answer is, nobody. He doesn’t exist.

The Twitter profile @archer_rs has just shy of 90,000 followers and claims in its bio to belong to the “author of the 'David Saunders' book series”.
“My wife and I are to be found either in the Dordogne or on our travels,” it adds.

Previous versions of the biography ended “or in our GXV Patagonia”. A photograph of this expedition vehicle also previously featured, but has since been replaced with generic images of French countryside.
The “David Saunders” book series does not exist.

What’s the troll’s aim?

It seems the troll’s sole aim is to sow disinformation and harvest likes and retweets.
Regardless of the account’s dubious intentions, it provides a good example of how such falsehoods can rapidly spread on social media. Too often people are taken at their word, especially if that word confirms our own inherent biases or plays to news we’d like to hear
.
Archer's first major hit came on June 29, 2020, after a series of tweets claiming to tell the story of some angry and dense Brexiteers with a home in France went viral. The tweet thread went on for days, only finally concluding on July 2.

The source of this gem aside ...

Do you honestly think these conversations about how to carve up the NHS are not happening here and abroad?

[James310]

The source of this gem aside ...

Do you honestly think these conversations about how to carve up the NHS are not happening here and abroad?

No idea, it clearly needs reformed but I think it will always remain "free" at the point of use. I don't see it being like Ireland where you will pay to see a GP or for an Ambulance etc.

A few years ago the NHS was being sold to Donald Trump, I am sure if I looked back on this site from 10 years ago the NHS was about to be privatised then as well.

Any Government that does it would be committing political suicide in my opinion, they would be voted out and the party that promised to restore it would win any election.

But I of course have no idea what's going on behind closed doors.

[cabbageandribs1875]

The national grid was sold to an Australian company last weekend. NHS about the only thing left.

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iirc 60% rings a bell :hmmm: the Tories are selling everything/anything of worth, the poor are getting poorer whilst the rich just keep on getting richer


although utilities are rising now it will probably be september/october when electricity/heating will force a lot of working people into poverty, rising food prices adding to that

[degenerated]

iirc 60% rings a bell :hmmm: the Tories are selling everything/anything of worth, the poor are getting poorer whilst the rich just keep on getting richer


although utilities are rising now it will probably be september/october when electricity/heating will force a lot of working people into poverty, rising food prices adding to that60% sold to to Macquarie, who made a complete arse of running Thames water, running up debt paying hefty dividends avoiding corporation tax and pouring sewage into water courses.

[Jack]

No idea, it clearly needs reformed but I think it will always remain "free" at the point of use. I don't see it being like Ireland where you will pay to see a GP or for an Ambulance etc.

A few years ago the NHS was being sold to Donald Trump, I am sure if I looked back on this site from 10 years ago the NHS was about to be privatised then as well.

Any Government that does it would be committing political suicide in my opinion, they would be voted out and the party that promised to restore it would win any election.

But I of course have no idea what's going on behind closed doors.

Here's your starter for 10. It mentions, amongst other things,the Health Care Bill which essentially sets up the sale of the NHS.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-under-pressure-over-25739649

[JimBHibees]

Over a decade taking the Ruble

https://twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1509414334828589059?s=21&t=9oPX5G4HO8zanmAwVplhhA


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Incredible to be honest. Have completely corrupted the whole country and political system.

[ronaldo7]

As your energy bills rise to enormous levels, just remember that, Boris told us our gas bills would drop if we voted for Brexit.

Get ready to celebrate Margaret Thatcher day, whilst waving your butcher's apron at the new royal yacht.

[Hibernia&Alba]

As your energy bills rise to enormous levels, just remember that, Boris told us our gas bills would drop if we voted for Brexit.

Get ready to celebrate Margaret Thatcher day, whilst waving your butcher's apron at the new royal yacht.

I already celebrate that on the anniversary of her death every year :wink:

[Bostonhibby]

I already celebrate that on the anniversary of her death every year :wink:You're in good company.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

You're in good company.

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It's next Friday. It should be a bank holiday :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

It's next Friday. It should be a bank holiday :greengrinLooking forward to visiting the statue in Grantham as well I think it will be every bit as popular in certain circles as the Heart of Midlothian in the Royal Mile.[emoji1]

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[stu in nottingham]

Looking forward to visiting the statue in Grantham as well I think it will be every bit as popular in certain circles as the Heart of Midlothian in the Royal Mile.[emoji1]

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A hundred grand seems a lot to pay for a soon-to-be pile of rubble.

[Bostonhibby]

A hundred grand seems a lot to pay for a soon-to-be pile of rubble.Drop in the ocean when you consider hom much the lucky beneficiaries of the Lord Deighton PPE gravy train must have made, they should be thinking of funding a solid gold statue at the very least.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1510301596609130498?s=21&t=vih2WKcMl4-LaOodtsWFBw

It never stops.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1510301596609130498?s=21&t=vih2WKcMl4-LaOodtsWFBw

It never stops.


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whilst all other outlets tell everyone why, state TV just can't Tory MP David Warburton suspended during investigation into claims - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60967143)

then again the BBC does have history of keeping secrets about sexual deviants they like

[cabbageandribs1875]

freakin obscene, Starmer wouldn't do anything either tbf

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277679075_5327652933935142_6724839477745089153_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=8xPO9VT7TNMAX_haLxJ&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_Cu9xqGua5mcyFBYeCEJyZJ8K6Ruw7u7tcm_1mj9om yA&oe=624DA3F9

[James310]

freakin obscene, Starmer wouldn't do anything either tbf

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277679075_5327652933935142_6724839477745089153_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=8xPO9VT7TNMAX_haLxJ&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_Cu9xqGua5mcyFBYeCEJyZJ8K6Ruw7u7tcm_1mj9om yA&oe=624DA3F9

Didn't Labour specifically propose a windfall tax on oil and gas companies, but the Tory's and the SNP voted against it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-59939447

Sir Keir Starmer said the government has done "absolutely nothing" to address rising energy bills but his party would introduce a windfall tax on North Sea gas and oil producers to help limit the expected rise.

[ronaldo7]

Didn't Labour specifically propose a windfall tax on oil and gas companies, but the Tory's and the SNP voted against it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-59939447

Sir Keir Starmer said the government has done "absolutely nothing" to address rising energy bills but his party would introduce a windfall tax on North Sea gas and oil producers to help limit the expected rise.

Nope.

It was an opposition day motion which was carried by 192 votes to 0.

Nobody voted against it.

[James310]

Nope.

It was an opposition day motion which was carried by 192 votes to 0.

Nobody voted against it.

Oh ok, but they never voted for it?

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1510301596609130498?s=21&t=vih2WKcMl4-LaOodtsWFBw

It never stops.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkFuture leader then or at the very least a dukedom of somewhere or other.

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[ronaldo7]

Oh ok, but they never voted for it?

Waste of time. The Tories aren't interested.

[Jack]

Didn't Labour specifically propose a windfall tax on oil and gas companies, but the Tory's and the SNP voted against it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-59939447

Sir Keir Starmer said the government has done "absolutely nothing" to address rising energy bills but his party would introduce a windfall tax on North Sea gas and oil producers to help limit the expected rise.

Spreading misinformation.

[Callum_62]

freakin obscene, Starmer wouldn't do anything either tbf

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277679075_5327652933935142_6724839477745089153_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=8xPO9VT7TNMAX_haLxJ&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_Cu9xqGua5mcyFBYeCEJyZJ8K6Ruw7u7tcm_1mj9om yA&oe=624DA3F9I've seen some things aroujndthe web saying the energy companies make almost zero profit from the consumer

Where is the profit from?

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[James310]

Spreading misinformation.

You missed the question mark. 🤣

[Callum_62]

. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220402/791ebd265eeaaf05d004f49eb18fe6a7.jpg

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[Stairway 2 7]

. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220402/791ebd265eeaaf05d004f49eb18fe6a7.jpg

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Hate Cummings for brexit and many other things, but he is right. Management has to fall, its a piss take

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1510301596609130498?s=21&t=vih2WKcMl4-LaOodtsWFBw

It never stops.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBack in the day this was News Of The World fodder and the MP would be a goner. Today its just the smallest ripple on a river of sh*te.

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[Stairway 2 7]

25743

Prick looks pretty casual getting his photo taken

Lines on a oven tray?

[Glory Lurker]

Back in the day this was News Of The World fodder and the MP would be a goner. Today its just the smallest ripple on a river of sh*te.

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Not really. Back in the day what the tabs went for was the heinous crime of being gay, which was a sackable/resignation offence.

[Mikey]

I haven't been paying any attention at all to the news, but I do know that the police were going to dish out 20 fines in the last week or so as a result of the lockdown parties. Did anyone of interest get one and have there been any political consequences?

[Jack]

I haven't been paying any attention at all to the news, but I do know that the police were going to dish out 20 fines in the last week or so as a result of the lockdown parties. Did anyone of interest get one and have there been any political consequences?

Just lower grade civil servants thrown to the wolves at this stage.

[ronaldo7]

25743

Prick looks pretty casual getting his photo taken

Lines on a oven tray?

It seems he's been taken into hospital for stress.

Shame that.

[Jack]

It seems he's been taken into hospital for stress.

Shame that.

He "has been admitted to a psychiatric hospital". I wonder if that means self referred to a private clinic to avoid the spotlight on him.

I know it's not kind to think of people in such a way but sometimes it's difficult not to.

[Ozyhibby]

He "has been admitted to a psychiatric hospital". I wonder if that means self referred to a private clinic to avoid the spotlight on him.

I know it's not kind to think of people in such a way but sometimes it's difficult not to.

It so he can plead with the judge for leniency.


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[JeMeSouviens]

I haven't been paying any attention at all to the news, but I do know that the police were going to dish out 20 fines in the last week or so as a result of the lockdown parties. Did anyone of interest get one and have there been any political consequences?

This is the only name I've seen:

https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1510718992180256771

The fact she was head of "propriety and ethics" is a nice touch.

[stokesmessiah]

That twonk Rees-Mogg now saying that the PM had been given the wrong information about whether parties had been held.

[H18S NX]

That twonk Rees-Mogg now saying that the PM had been given the wrong information about whether parties had been held......I could never get tired of slapping that guy.

[Colr]

Just lower grade civil servants thrown to the wolves at this stage.

As Dennis Skinner says, “When posh boys get in trouble, they sack the servants!”

Mind you, lie with dogs, get fleas!

[Colr]

It seems he's been taken into hospital for stress.

Shame that.

Or an OD

[Colr]

That twonk Rees-Mogg now saying that the PM had been given the wrong information about whether parties had been held.

Ignorance of the law is no defence! Especially if you wrote the law and others were held guilty of breaking it.

Maybe be should plead his case to a judge! That would be fun.

[Radium]

That twonk Rees-Mogg now saying that the PM had been given the wrong information about whether parties had been held.

… but what about when he was ambushed by a cake


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[Oscar T Grouch]

25743

Prick looks pretty casual getting his photo taken

Lines on a oven tray?

I read over the weekend that these lines are actually dandruff which he combs out his hair and collects (it's a stress thing). I have a few issue with this, dandruff is not cocaine white, it is made up of dead skin, if you did collect your dandruff it would not appear like cocaine, if you did collect your dandruff why organise it in lines, like it is cocaine and like you say why on an oven tray. In fact the oven tray is his best excuse because no normal human would chop a line out on the bottom of an oven tray. The photo is of course cocaine, but it is the most ridiculous excuse I have ever seen.

[Colr]

I read over the weekend that these lines are actually dandruff which he combs out his hair and collects (it's a stress thing). I have a few issue with this, dandruff is not cocaine white, it is made up of dead skin, if you did collect your dandruff it would not appear like cocaine, if you did collect your dandruff why organise it in lines, like it is cocaine and like you say why on an oven tray. In fact the oven tray is his best excuse because no normal human would chop a line out on the bottom of an oven tray. The photo is of course cocaine, but it is the most ridiculous excuse I have ever seen.

But Tory voters will believe it

[Bostonhibby]

I read over the weekend that these lines are actually dandruff which he combs out his hair and collects (it's a stress thing). I have a few issue with this, dandruff is not cocaine white, it is made up of dead skin, if you did collect your dandruff it would not appear like cocaine, if you did collect your dandruff why organise it in lines, like it is cocaine and like you say why on an oven tray. In fact the oven tray is his best excuse because no normal human would chop a line out on the bottom of an oven tray. The photo is of course cocaine, but it is the most ridiculous excuse I have ever seen.Can't Rees Smug just come along and say he was given misinformation about Class A drugs and flaky scalp bits?

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[grunt]

I read over the weekend that these lines are actually dandruff which he combs out his hair and collects (it's a stress thing). I have a few issue with this, dandruff is not cocaine white, it is made up of dead skin, if you did collect your dandruff it would not appear like cocaine, if you did collect your dandruff why organise it in lines, like it is cocaine and like you say why on an oven tray. In fact the oven tray is his best excuse because no normal human would chop a line out on the bottom of an oven tray. The photo is of course cocaine, but it is the most ridiculous excuse I have ever seen.
The dandruff story was a spoof.

[Kato]

More "levelling up" revealed to be just a cut in disguise.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-shafts-bus-passengers-26635115?fbclid=IwAR1W0CD3IpL0OsgfOnVDmEBAqtFVdyXf Luk3OPBwT0_twtPQNnqwIoiKW94#l1lt7v4eektli6szjg7

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[Northernhibee]

Channel 4 - despite it being profitable - to be sold off.

Just coincidence that the quality of journalism from them is quite high. And that culture secretary Nadine Dorries has also seemingly had run ins with LBC and James O’Brien for his excellent output.

[hibsbollah]

Channel 4 - despite it being profitable - to be sold off.

Just coincidence that the quality of journalism from them is quite high. And that culture secretary Nadine Dorries has also seemingly had run ins with LBC and James O’Brien for his excellent output.

C4 News is the one news programme that really holds its interviewees to account. I expect that’s why it’s being stripped of its funding.

[s.a.m]

C4 News is the one news programme that really holds its interviewees to account. I expect that’s why it’s being stripped of its funding.

It's even worse than that: they get no funding. They're entirely self-funded through advertising and commercial activity. Nadine Dorries famously found this out on live TV a while back. They cost us nothing.

[hibsbollah]

It's even worse than that: they get no funding. They're entirely self-funded through advertising and commercial activity. Nadine Dorries famously found this out on live TV a while back. They cost us nothing.

Apologies, publicly owned not publicly funded. (Disgraceful that I have the same level of ignorance as the Tory culture Secretary :greengrin

[s.a.m]

Apologies, publicly owned not publicly funded. (Disgraceful that I have the same level of ignorance as the Tory culture Secretary :greengrin

:greengrin

[Oscar T Grouch]

Apologies, publicly owned not publicly funded. (Disgraceful that I have the same level of ignorance as the Tory culture Secretary :greengrin

Nah you don't, her levels of ignorance are almost non human, you were wrong about the funding of C4, she is wrong about pretty much everything :wink:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The dandruff story was a spoof.

In that case it's Head and Shoulders above all other spoofs!

[Stairway 2 7]

Torys are revolting...many bringing up it was Thatcher that started it, although you'd think that was reason to ditch it

Steven Swinford
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C4 privatisation backlash from Tories in full swing:

Tom Tugendhat says he's 'pretty doubtful'

Damian Green says it's 'very unconservative

Jeremy Hunt says it risks public service broadcasting

Ruth Davidson says it's the 'opposite of levelling up

[Hibernia&Alba]

Channel 4 - despite it being profitable - to be sold off.

Just coincidence that the quality of journalism from them is quite high. And that culture secretary Nadine Dorries has also seemingly had run ins with LBC and James O’Brien for his excellent output.

I posted on a You Tube video about Channel 4 privatisation that I believe this government is now indulging in a slash and burn policy. Knowing they are overseeing numerous disasters, and fearing they are going to lose heavily at the next election, they are determined to push through as many hard right policies as they can get away with before then. Another act of national vandalism, privatising Channel 4 (and privatising BBC is the real wet dream of the right) will help shore up the core Tory vote. They won't be happy until they have dismantled and flogged off everything we have to their pals.

[Stairway 2 7]

I posted on a You Tube video about Channel 4 privatisation that I believe this government is now indulging in a slash and burn policy. Knowing they are overseeing numerous disasters, and fearing they are going to lose heavily at the next election, they are determined to push through as many hard right policies as they can get away with before then. Another act of national vandalism, privatising Channel 4 (and privatising BBC is the real wet dream of the right) will help shore up the core Tory vote. They won't be happy until they have dismantled and flogged off everything we have to their pals.

I don't think they think that they will lose the next election

[Hibernia&Alba]

I don't think they think that they will lose the next election

Please don't :greengrin

[Kato]

I posted on a You Tube video about Channel 4 privatisation that I believe this government is now indulging in a slash and burn policy. Knowing they are overseeing numerous disasters, and fearing they are going to lose heavily at the next election, they are determined to push through as many hard right policies as they can get away with before then. Another act of national vandalism, privatising Channel 4 (and privatising BBC is the real wet dream of the right) will help shore up the core Tory vote. They won't be happy until they have dismantled and flogged off everything we have to their pals.


It is vandalism. That is the point in a cultural war, knock everything down, second guess anything decent, allow people to believe that it's alright not to care about culture and your halfway there getting them not care about anything.

Look at how powerful a propaganda tool Russian TV is at the moment. That part of their population who are echoing it will swallow any old tripe, even if its bad for them. They are invested in Putin so much they can't or won't abandon their faith in him. Same with Fox, which is registered as an "entertainment" channel rather than news, and Trump.

There isn't really a direct comparison in the UK. Although GB News is the best attempt, financed be Legatum, Christopher Chandler's "think tank".

Billionaire Chandler is currently suspected of being a Russian asset.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5695573/Legatum-founder-suspected-spy.html

The BBC do a decent job of not pressing the Tories too much, see how dogged they have been over the SNP ferry fiasco - whereas they might report the various covid frauds and rank ineptitude but they never persue the culprits. Which is what to takes to bring people to account.

GB News was supposed to be the Pro-Putin organ but the brand didn't gain traction and the talent just isn't there to put it across. Tucker Carlson on Fox is fully on board with Putin's actions.

There was also rumours that the triggering of Article16 was mooted at the start of Putins invasion, nice for EU relations, what's left of them. If our TV was full of bombs and fires in Ireland there wouldn't be too much room for Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/Turloughc/status/1510700628548460547?t=ZXrAxqhSk7Nu4ewABdfVSA&s=19



Russian money and assets smeared all over Western media, absolute rats.

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[Hibrandenburg]

It is vandalism. That is the point in a cultural war, knock everything down, second guess anything decent, allow people to believe that it's alright not to care about culture and your halfway there getting them not care about anything.

Look at how powerful a propaganda tool Russian TV is at the moment. That part of their population who are echoing it will swallow any old tripe, even if its bad for them. They are invested in Putin so much they can't or won't abandon their faith in him. Same with Fox, which is registered as an "entertainment" channel rather than news, and Trump.

There isn't really a direct comparison in the UK. Although GB News is the best attempt, financed be Legatum, Christopher Chandler's "think tank".

Billionaire Chandler is currently suspected of being a Russian asset.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5695573/Legatum-founder-suspected-spy.html

The BBC do a decent job of not pressing the Tories too much, see how dogged they have been over the SNP ferry fiasco - whereas they might report the various covid frauds and rank ineptitude but they never persue the culprits. Which is what to takes to bring people to account.

GB News was supposed to be the Pro-Putin organ but the brand didn't gain traction and the talent just isn't there to put it across. Tucker Carlson on Fox is fully on board with Putin's actions.

There was also rumours that the triggering of Article16 was mooted at the start of Putins invasion, nice for EU relations, what's left of them. If our TV was full of bombs and fires in Ireland there wouldn't be too much room for Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/Turloughc/status/1510700628548460547?t=ZXrAxqhSk7Nu4ewABdfVSA&s=19



Russian money and assets smeared all over Western media, absolute rats.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkAnd it's working just fine. Just look at the Ukraine thread and you'll see that quite a bit of that concentrates on the press and politics pointing the finger of responsibility elsewhere and at each other than at he who is ultimately responsible.



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[degenerated]

I posted on a You Tube video about Channel 4 privatisation that I believe this government is now indulging in a slash and burn policy. Knowing they are overseeing numerous disasters, and fearing they are going to lose heavily at the next election, they are determined to push through as many hard right policies as they can get away with before then. Another act of national vandalism, privatising Channel 4 (and privatising BBC is the real wet dream of the right) will help shore up the core Tory vote. They won't be happy until they have dismantled and flogged off everything we have to their pals.The Scottish Goverment should buy channel 4, that would be hilarious :greengrin

[ronaldo7]

It looks like the Tory party and their supporters got their way, and made families poorer.:rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/apr/06/two-child-policy-hasnt-made-families-smaller-only-poorer-finds-report

It was one of the Conservatives’ most controversial cuts: waging war on the UK’s “benefit culture” by restricting social security payments that supposedly enabled “welfare scroungers” to have large families they could ill-afford.

The two-child policy – which limits benefits payments to the first two children born to the poorest households – would, proponents argued, cut the welfare bill and bring “feckless” parents to heel by – as one minister put it – teaching them “the reality that children cost money.”

New research, however, indicates the behavioural change aspect of the policy has dismally failed. Since its introduction exactly five years ago today, the fertility rate for third and subsequent children born to poorer families has barely fallen. Instead, the main impact of the policy has been to become the biggest single driver of child poverty.

“In the absence of a behavioural fertility response to the policy, the main function of the two-child limit is to deprive families living on a low income of approximately £3,000 a year. This will inevitably lead to dramatic increases in child poverty among larger families,” said Prof Jonathan Portes, co-author of the study.

Analysis of birth records and household survey data for the study, commissioned by the Nuffield Foundation, found the policy’s introduction in 2017 led to a decline in births of third children of just 5,600 a year – fewer than 1% of the total annual births in England and Wales.

The study speculates as to why the policy has had so little behavioural impact. Unpublished research suggests over half of families were unaware of the policy before they were affected. Many large families – Orthodox Jewish and Muslim families are disproportionately affected – may ignore it for religious reasons.

The research comes as fresh estimates suggest that 1.4 million children in more than 400,000 families in the UK are affected by the two-child policy. April’s below-inflation benefits rise means affected families with three children face a £983 a month shortfall in benefits, with larger families facing an even bigger hole in their income.

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Sara Ogilvie of Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG), which produced the estimates, said: “The two-child limit is a brutal policy that punishes children simply for having brothers and sisters. It forces families to survive on less than they need, and with soaring living costs the hardship and hunger these families face will only intensify.”

Over 50% of children in families with more than two children will be in poverty by 2027, according to CPAG. Removing the policy would immediately lift 250,000 children out of poverty. Despite ministers’ “feckless claimants” rhetoric, official figures show over half of families affected are working.

The two-child policy was the brainchild of the former chancellor George Osborne, who announced it in 2015 against a backdrop of rightwing media hysteria around large families – “benefits broods” claimed to be having children primarily to exploit what was considered to be an over-generous welfare system.

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It immediately ran into problems after critics pointed out that women who gave birth to a third or subsequent child as a result of rape would be penalised under the policy. Exemptions were introduced for this and for instances of multiple births, or where families had adopted children or had kinship care arrangements.

There is evidence the two-child policy has been a key factor in many women’s decisions to have an abortion. Research has suggested it has had a devastating impact on family life, even before the current cost of living crisis, with households forced to cut back on food and heating.

It was recently savaged by Tory former welfare reform minister Lord Freud, who called it “vicious” and an “excrescence” and said it should be scrapped. He claimed the policy was forced on a reluctant Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) by the Treasury as the price of introducing universal credit.

[WhileTheChief..]

Ach, the way you guys tell it, the Conservatives face annihilation at the next election.

Don't know why you all seem so down, you should all be jumping with joy!!

[The_Exile]

I would be amazed if they wont the next election, yet we have all already witnessed the most poverty stricken in our society vote against their own survival essentially, that absolutely nothing would surprise me in politics any more.

[Kato]

I would be amazed if they wont the next election, yet we have all already witnessed the most poverty stricken in our society vote against their own survival essentially, that absolutely nothing would surprise me in politics any more.I think they will win it. A whole load of people have invested a lot and won't want to be seen backing down.

"Sunk Cost Fallacy" theory in effect.

"the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial"

Covers Brexit, the Tories and Trump.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Tories 4/7 on Labour 6/4 although a l9ng way to go. Tory government increases than chance of independence I'd think by a bit

[grunt]

Ach, the way you guys tell it, the Conservatives face annihilation at the next election.
Don't know why you all seem so down, you should all be jumping with joy!!Reads story about Tory policy resulting in increased child poverty. Responds with crass joke about people who oppose such policies as jumping for joy.

We'll never vote the Tories out while there are voters out there who relish and enjoy the pain that Tory policies bring onto others less fortunate.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I can't remember whether I've posted this before, but it's one of my all time favourite clips and never gets old. Any excuse:

:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin


https://youtu.be/Eqt0GU-ES88

[Stairway 2 7]

Anyone understand this lots of tories are tweeting, saying the least people and children are in low income homes in decades. Is that because the median has gone down though

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/households-below-average-income-for-financial-years-ending-1995-to-2021/households-below-average-income-an-analysis-of-the-income-distribution-fye-1995-to-fye-2021#children-in-low-income-households

2576225763

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-akshata-murthy-non-dom-wife-tax-b2052251.html

Sunak’s dodging tax while putting it up for the rest of us. [emoji35]


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[Callum_62]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-akshata-murthy-non-dom-wife-tax-b2052251.html

Sunak’s dodging tax while putting it up for the rest of us. [emoji35]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYeah but that has nothing to do with him at all

Its just his wife totally unrelated to him

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[lapsedhibee]

Yeah but that has nothing to do with him at all

Its just his wife totally unrelated to him


Mrs Sunak's not a British citizen and Mr Sunak is, so there's no connection.

[Kato]

Mrs Sunak's not a British citizen and Mr Sunak is, so there's no connection.Whereas the mainstream press should be pointing out that the Ministerial Code covers spouses. Whatever is wrong for him to do its the same for his missus.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Word of the day is 'snollygoster' (19th century): an unprincipled person in office who is motivated by personal rather than public gain.


Thank you, Susie Dent

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[JimBHibees]

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Brilliant:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-tax-wife-us-resident-green-card-b2053783.html

Surely a resigning issue?


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[Lendo]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-tax-wife-us-resident-green-card-b2053783.html

Surely a resigning issue?


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It should be a resigning issue but it’s clear no one in this government will resign regardless of the size of the scandal.

[ronaldo7]

As the queues in Dover grow ever longer. Remember this...

https://twitter.com/woodgnomology/status/1512200780849291265

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1512417561723424772?s=21&t=SsbVLGaGh-fLWtVEB8hx1w

… if the statements that the NHS is not up for sale go the way of many policies in the past couple of years, is this where we are heading


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[Stairway 2 7]

Can't see it they have been saying its for sale for decades. Its a huge vote loser so will never be. Although many on another thread were saying health care in Europe is better, so they might like it if its sold

[He's here!]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-akshata-murthy-non-dom-wife-tax-b2052251.html

Sunak’s dodging tax while putting it up for the rest of us. [emoji35]


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As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.

It's her wealth that's being held against her here, not any impropriety.

[Ozyhibby]

As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.

It's her wealth that's being held against her here, not any impropriety.

And a chancellor of the UK holding a green card and paying his taxes in the US instead of the UK?


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[grunt]

As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.
Rubbish.

[CropleyWasGod]

As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.

It's her wealth that's being held against her here, not any impropriety.

Residency is not the issue here. That's a red herring. It's domicile that's the issue.

The 2 are different concepts. If I had an hour, I'd try and explain it, but you'd fall asleep 😴

This might help
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1511964400978214912?t=WbIvHoYFXsE_yG95WpM65w&s=19

[Kato]

As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.

It's her wealth that's being held against her here, not any impropriety.I don't care if its within the law or not. Those laws have been manufactured to allow rich people off the hook with their tax burden while ordinary people carry the weight.

Those laws, the people who made those laws, the people who exploit those laws and the idiots who shrug their shoulders and just say "it's the law" are disgusting.

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[Oscar T Grouch]

As a UK citizen (from Southampton I think) Sunak's not dodging any tax and nor is his wife, who is from Bangalore. I've seen this situation before with a former work colleague (albeit on a far smaller financial scale). She'd have to revoke her Indian nationality to take up a British passport because dual citizenship isn't permitted by India. Instead she pays British tax on all her British earnings but not on income from her stake in her stupendously wealthy dad's company. That is paid according to jurisdiction and hence to India. That will be the case until she's lived in the UK for (I think) 15 years.

It's her wealth that's being held against her here, not any impropriety.

Okay lets go through what is wrong with this statement.

-No one is accusing them of tax dodging, they are accusing a person staying in No11 Downing street of tax avoidance, which is not illegal but pretty immoral, especially when her husband has put the highest tax burden on ordinary working people since the 1050s

-Your Nationality has nothing to do with your tax status in this case, she is a voluntary Non Dom tax status, it costs her £30k a year to have this status and it is specifically so she doesn't pay tax on all her income in the UK

-There is no proof whatsoever that she pays tax in India and that has nothing to do with her non dom tax status, you do not have to pay tax abroad to have non dom status

-You are correct that it is between 15-20 years she will no long be able to claim non dom status, she will pay tax on all her income in 2024

The fact that she is using tax avoidance methods that people in her husbands party called abhorrent when Jimmy Carr was doing similar and while she actually stays in No11 Downing street is the point here. It is not her wealth being held against her it is her unwillingness to pay tax using tax avoidance methods while staying in the chancellor of the exchequers house!! Conflict of interest much?

This is all detailed by Richard Murphy, Professor or accounting practices and Economic Justice Campaigner on this podcast from around 39minutes

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/james-obrien-the-whole-show/id1460121501?i=1000556535854

[Moulin Yarns]

Okay lets go through what is wrong with this statement.

-No one is accusing them of tax dodging, they are accusing a person staying in No11 Downing street of tax avoidance, which is not illegal but pretty immoral, especially when her husband has put the highest tax burden on ordinary working people since the 1050s

-Your Nationality has nothing to do with your tax status in this case, she is a voluntary Non Dom tax status, it costs her £30k a year to have this status and it is specifically so she doesn't pay tax on all her income in the UK

-There is no proof whatsoever that she pays tax in India and that has nothing to do with her non dom tax status, you do not have to pay tax abroad to have non dom status

-You are correct that it is between 15-20 years she will no long be able to claim non dom status, she will pay tax on all her income in 2024

The fact that she is using tax avoidance methods that people in her husbands party called abhorrent when Jimmy Carr was doing similar and while she actually stays in No11 Downing street is the point here. It is not her wealth being held against her it is her unwillingness to pay tax using tax avoidance methods while staying in the chancellor of the exchequers house!! Conflict of interest much?

This is all detailed by Richard Murphy, Professor or accounting practices and Economic Justice Campaigner on this podcast from around 39minutes

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/james-obrien-the-whole-show/id1460121501?i=1000556535854

The bit in bold, which I first heard about yesterday, is what strikes me because to pay £30k to avoid paying UK tax suggests (with no evidence) that her tax liability must be many times that amount, otherwise why bother?

[CropleyWasGod]

The bit in bold, which I first heard about yesterday, is what strikes me because to pay £30k to avoid paying UK tax suggests (with no evidence) that her tax liability must be many times that amount, otherwise why bother?

In some cases, it's £60k.

I saw one report...unsubstantiated of course... that said her UK liability on her Infosys shares would.have been £2m otherwise.

[Kato]

In some cases, it's £60k.

I saw one report...unsubstantiated of course... that said her UK liability on her Infosys shares would.have been 11m otherwise.....and us as tax payers have a govt that has handed multi-millions on pounds over to her companies.

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[He's here!]

Okay lets go through what is wrong with this statement.

-No one is accusing them of tax dodging, they are accusing a person staying in No11 Downing street of tax avoidance, which is not illegal but pretty immoral, especially when her husband has put the highest tax burden on ordinary working people since the 1050s

-Your Nationality has nothing to do with your tax status in this case, she is a voluntary Non Dom tax status, it costs her £30k a year to have this status and it is specifically so she doesn't pay tax on all her income in the UK

-There is no proof whatsoever that she pays tax in India and that has nothing to do with her non dom tax status, you do not have to pay tax abroad to have non dom status

-You are correct that it is between 15-20 years she will no long be able to claim non dom status, she will pay tax on all her income in 2024

The fact that she is using tax avoidance methods that people in her husbands party called abhorrent when Jimmy Carr was doing similar and while she actually stays in No11 Downing street is the point here. It is not her wealth being held against her it is her unwillingness to pay tax using tax avoidance methods while staying in the chancellor of the exchequers house!! Conflict of interest much?

This is all detailed by Richard Murphy, Professor or accounting practices and Economic Justice Campaigner on this podcast from around 39minutes

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/james-obrien-the-whole-show/id1460121501?i=1000556535854

Her wealth, though, comes from India and as I understand it she can't move that family wealth into a British tax jurisdiction (unless maybe she pays double tax in the UK and India)?

None of this is news (ie in the sense that it's some sort of suppressed scandal that's only now been uncovered). It was well-known in Westminster that his wife is a non-dom, while the couple have hardly made any attempts to conceal their wealth. Sunak, I read today, hosts regular 'Gatsby-esque' parties at his country home. It seems, primarily, to have been pushed up the headlines partly by those within his own party looking to blunt his leadership hopes and, understandably, by those eager to jump on the coat-tails of a Tory-bashing opportunity.

[Kato]

Thank goodness he got caught monstering that bacon sandwich....


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/07/ed-miliband-non-dom-tax-status-labour

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[Kato]

Her wealth, though, comes from India and as I understand it she can't move that family wealth into a British tax jurisdiction (unless maybe she pays double tax in the UK and India)?

None of this is news (ie in the sense that it's some sort of suppressed scandal that's only now been uncovered). It was well-known in Westminster that his wife is a non-dom, while the couple have hardly made any attempts to conceal their wealth. Sunak, I read today, hosts regular 'Gatsby-esque' parties at his country home. It seems, primarily, to have been pushed up the headlines partly by those within his own party looking to blunt his leadership hopes and, understandably, by those eager to jump on the coat-tails of a Tory-bashing opportunity.Is pointing obvious enequities Tory bashing?

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[grunt]

Her wealth, though, comes from India and as I understand it she can't move that family wealth into a British tax jurisdiction (unless maybe she pays double tax in the UK and India)?
This story has nothing to do with her "moving her wealth" anywhere. It's about where she pays tax on her (considerable) overseas earnings. Has nothing to do with double taxation either.

None of this is news (ie in the sense that it's some sort of suppressed scandal that's only now been uncovered). It was well-known in Westminster that his wife is a non-dom, while the couple have hardly made any attempts to conceal their wealth. Johnson today denied knowledge that she was claiming non-domicile tax status.

It seems, primarily, to have been pushed up the headlines partly by those within his own party looking to blunt his leadership hopes and, understandably, by those eager to jump on the coat-tails of a Tory-bashing opportunity.You've got that right at least. Any chance to bash these self-serving fascists, I'm there.

[cabbageandribs1875]

aw come on wtf's going on with this little dwarf sunak

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Sunak's wife to pay UK tax on overseas income - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61045825)

Rishi Sunak's wife Akshata Murty announces she will pay UK taxes on her overseas income, following a row over her non-dom status


too late hen the damage is done :)

[Ozyhibby]

Sunak's wife to pay UK tax on overseas income - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61045825)

Rishi Sunak's wife Akshata Murty announces she will pay UK taxes on her overseas income, following a row over her non-dom status


too late hen the damage is done :)

Must be nice to just have the choice like that. Must have decided that him getting the top job would provide a bigger return in the long run.


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