Tories are still lying *******s

[lapsedhibee]

Creepy? I wouldn't go that far, but I can't think of a worse PM in my time I'll grant you that. Then again none of them have had to deal with a pandemic or Brexit.

Yes, just very bad luck for Johnson that all that landed in his lap.

[weecounty hibby]

Creepy? I wouldn't go that far, but I can't think of a worse PM in my time I'll grant you that. Then again none of them have had to deal with a pandemic or Brexit.
Had to deal with Brexit. What you really mean to say is caused Brexit. A complete disaster entirely of the Tories making. Ably assisted by their right wing partners in UKIP

[Steven79]

Creepy? I wouldn't go that far, but I can't think of a worse PM in my time I'll grant you that. Then again none of them have had to deal with a pandemic or Brexit.

None of them had the problem of being Boris Johnson either...

[Northernhibee]

https://twitter.com/joelycett/status/1486404656297357320

Nadine 'Thick as mince' Dorries.

[grunt]

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/liz-truss-australia-private-jet-flight-b2001692.html


Foreign secretary Liz Truss (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/liz-truss) flew by private jet to Australia at a cost of over half-a-million pounds to the taxpayer because she chose not to use scheduled business-class flights.

The mission to Australia and back this week burnt an estimated 150 tonnes of fuel and generated nearly 500 tonnes of CO2.

So much for #COP26 fine words.

[Crunchie]

Had to deal with Brexit. What you really mean to say is caused Brexit. A complete disaster entirely of the Tories making. Ably assisted by their right wing partners in UKIP

It was the British people who caused Brexit as you call it, even SNP voters 😳

[Moulin Yarns]

It was the British people who caused Brexit as you call it, even SNP voters 😳

Remember who called the referendum?

No referendum, no Brexit!

[Glory Lurker]

Remember who called the referendum?

No referendum, no Brexit!

And Johnson led a campaign for Brexit.

[Northernhibee]

It was the British people who caused Brexit as you call it, even SNP voters 😳

The British people were promised sunlit uplands, the easiest deal in human history, to hold all the cards, no downsides and only upsides.

Brexit isn’t what the public voted for at all, Brexit is a sleazy Tory mess. You can’t shift the blame onto the public.

[Crunchie]

Remember who called the referendum?

No referendum, no Brexit!

🍺

[Crunchie]

The British people were promised sunlit uplands, the easiest deal in human history, to hold all the cards, no downsides and only upsides.

Brexit isn’t what the public voted for at all, Brexit is a sleazy Tory mess. You can’t shift the blame onto the public.

We would have got a better deal had Parliament United behind the result, instead we had the SNP and other opposition parties scuppering any attempt at a deal. Then we had Labour saying they’d go get us a better deal and put it back to the British people to vote on recommending that we reject it, no wonder the tories won a big majority.

[Northernhibee]

We would have got a better deal had Parliament United behind the result, instead we had the SNP and other opposition parties scuppering any attempt at a deal. Then we had Labour saying they’d go get us a better deal and put it back to the British people to vote on recommending that we reject it, no wonder the tories won a big majority.

Let me give you a spoiler:

No we couldn’t.

Don’t be silly.

You don’t get better benefits of any sort of club by not being a part of it.

[JeMeSouviens]

We would have got a better deal had Parliament United behind the result, instead we had the SNP and other opposition parties scuppering any attempt at a deal. Then we had Labour saying they’d go get us a better deal and put it back to the British people to vote on recommending that we reject it, no wonder the tories won a big majority.

This is just rubbish. There were multiple deals on offer right up to and including full single market and customs union membership. The UK's* red lines cut most of them off immediately.


* thank you Nick Timothy and Theresa May. :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/liz-truss-australia-private-jet-flight-b2001692.html



So much for #COP26 fine words.

That’s horrific.

Wonder if it was Sunak who leaked it?


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[Smartie]

I think the point that the public can't totally wash their hands of blame for Brexit is reasonable.

There are a number of reasons why we in Scotland currently are where we are and have the Westminster government we do.

My side didn't make a strong enough case during the independence referendum. My side didn't make a strong enough case during the Brexit referendum.

I'm happy to take my share of responsibility for where we currently find ourselves, even if the idea of taking responsibility for actions and consequences is somewhat ironic given the topic currently being discussed and the title of the thread.

[Torto7]

I see they are kicking benefit claimants again today. That usually plays well to the sadists in the cult. I volunteered for Citizens Advice for a period when IDS was going all tonto, a particularly vivid memory was a chap who had had a stroke and was blind in one eye being found fit to work with no help for his disabilities. I wonder if the nasties in the British public realise we have three and a half times the staff checking for benefit fraud than we do checking for tax evasion despite benefit fraud being utterly minuscule. What a nasty country.

[WeeRussell]

Creepy? I wouldn't go that far, but I can't think of a worse PM in my time I'll grant you that. Then again none of them have had to deal with a pandemic or Brexit.

😂😂😂🙈🙈🙈

[WeeRussell]

We would have got a better deal had Parliament United behind the result, instead we had the SNP and other opposition parties scuppering any attempt at a deal. Then we had Labour saying they’d go get us a better deal and put it back to the British people to vote on recommending that we reject it, no wonder the tories won a big majority.

So to clarify: brexit was the fault of SNP supporters, the SNP, Labour and other parties.

But not Boris and the tories..

[Ozyhibby]

So to clarify: brexit was the fault of SNP supporters, the SNP, Labour and other parties.

But not Boris and the tories..

Nailed it.


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[JeMeSouviens]

So to clarify: brexit was the fault of SNP supporters, the SNP, Labour and other parties.

But not Boris and the tories..

No, no, no. Brexit was a wonderful idea that would have seen us all bathing our unicorns in milk and honey if it hadn't been for the pesky opposition parties who scuppered it by < checks notes > having no say whatsoever in any of the negotiations. :confused:

[JimBHibees]

No, no, no. Brexit was a wonderful idea that would have seen us all bathing our unicorns in milk and honey if it hadn't been for the pesky opposition parties who scuppered it by < checks notes > having no say whatsoever in any of the negotiations. :confused:

:greengrin Pretty much

[Kato]

We would have got a better deal had Parliament United behind the result.

Ok. If all the major parties were behind brexit how would that have brought about a "better" deal?

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[Bostonhibby]

The British people were promised sunlit uplands, the easiest deal in human history, to hold all the cards, no downsides and only upsides.

Brexit isn’t what the public voted for at all, Brexit is a sleazy Tory mess. You can’t shift the blame onto the public.Don't forget lower prices, mostly driven by our fabled ability to negotiate superior supply deals and prices with all those trading nations desperate for a market our size.

Maybe Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson will say he meant uplit sunlands, that's the future...

Record breaking inflation looking good but will it fit one the side of a bus?



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[Moulin Yarns]

I think the point that the public can't totally wash their hands of blame for Brexit is reasonable.

There are a number of reasons why we in Scotland currently are where we are and have the Westminster government we do.

My side didn't make a strong enough case during the independence referendum. My side didn't make a strong enough case during the Brexit referendum.

I'm happy to take my share of responsibility for where we currently find ourselves, even if the idea of taking responsibility for actions and consequences is somewhat ironic given the topic currently being discussed and the title of the thread.

What I find difficult to comprehend is that in the 2014 referendum the status quo won despite a reasonable argument for change, yet in the 2016 referendum the status quo lost despite no case for change being made, other than some slogan on a bus.

[Callum_62]

What I find difficult to comprehend is that in the 2014 referendum the status quo won despite a reasonable argument for change, yet in the 2016 referendum the status quo lost despite no case for change being made, other than some slogan on a bus.Arnt you forgetting leave.eu breaking electoral law?

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[Bostonhibby]

What I find difficult to comprehend is that in the 2014 referendum the status quo won despite a reasonable argument for change, yet in the 2016 referendum the status quo lost despite no case for change being made, other than some slogan on a bus.Look at all the benefits man

Blue passports and crowns on pint glasses are the two biggies I've heard a lot about, even though we could always have had them,
We get to keep most of our turnips, beetroots etc on UK soil as there's no one to pick them .

Union Jack's in every media opportunity, a bit disappointing that so many of the ones newly displayed generally are upside down but it could be that joe public has only recently got to grips with Nationalism or it could be that they know a sign of distress when they see it...



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[Bostonhibby]

Truss's £500,000 private jet flight to Australia is an insight into the bubble they live in.

Ignoring the carbon footprint entirely, if it was such great value for the UK taxpayer, and anyone making the trip why was it left for someone to leak it instead of her quickly highlighting what a great deal it was, like the trade deal the Aussies are having a good laugh about.

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[Ozyhibby]

Truss's £500,000 private jet flight to Australia is an insight into the bubble they live in.

Ignoring the carbon footprint entirely, if it was such great value for the UK taxpayer, and anyone making the trip why was it left for someone to leak it instead of her quickly highlighting what a great deal it was, like the trade deal the Aussies are having a good laugh about.

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‘Lavish Liz’ nickname will stick. Will make her leadership bid more difficult.


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[Bostonhibby]

‘Lavish Liz’ nickname will stick. Will make her leadership bid more difficult.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSo might adding up, getting numbers wrong, cheese, pork, talking about Ukraine when the question was about partygate......etc.



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[Scorrie]

Truss's £500,000 private jet flight to Australia is an insight into the bubble they live in.

Ignoring the carbon footprint entirely, if it was such great value for the UK taxpayer, and anyone making the trip why was it left for someone to leak it instead of her quickly highlighting what a great deal it was, like the trade deal the Aussies are having a good laugh about.

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Surely you can negotiate a deal via Zoom these days? Nae need to travel

[Bostonhibby]

Surely you can negotiate a deal via Zoom these days? Nae need to travelGood idea, she appears to be a Zoomer.

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[Killiehibbie]

What I find difficult to comprehend is that in the 2014 referendum the status quo won despite a reasonable argument for change, yet in the 2016 referendum the status quo lost despite no case for change being made, other than some slogan on a bus.

What about the £350M per hour or whatever it was that would go straight to the NHS? That would be a great help in dealing with something like a pandemic.

[Bostonhibby]

What about the £350M per hour or whatever it was that would go straight to the NHS? That would be a great help in dealing with something like a pandemic.Not if Lord Deighton just fast tracks it straight to the privileged few without any real scrutiny.

Don't forget the pub landlord who specialises in PPE contracts slice as well.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

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i remember reading that a few month back, i bet the five addresses were in Downing street

[Crunchie]

What I find difficult to comprehend is that in the 2014 referendum the status quo won despite a reasonable argument for change, yet in the 2016 referendum the status quo lost despite no case for change being made, other than some slogan on a bus.

A reasonable argument for change you say? It’ll take a lot more than that to convince a majority to vote Independence. You make it sound like we’d be changing locals instead of gambling the country’s future. That’s the sort of statement I’d expect from someone not living in the country and with little or nothing to lose.

[Skol]

What I find difficult to comprehend is that in the 2014 referendum the status quo won despite a reasonable argument for change, yet in the 2016 referendum the status quo lost despite no case for change being made, other than some slogan on a bus.

That’s your view though on each.

Only 45% thought the case for change was made in 2014

In 2016 52% thought the case was made

For what it’s worth I don’t think the case for change was made on either occassion

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220128/3f9fe556b3d451b03c8f6fad97b1e248.jpg

We’ll played by Johnson. Well and truly kicked into the long grass.


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[Mr Grieves]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220128/3f9fe556b3d451b03c8f6fad97b1e248.jpg

We’ll played by Johnson. Well and truly kicked into the long grass.


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The met have protected Johnson throughout this saga. Corrupt as ****.

[lapsedhibee]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220128/3f9fe556b3d451b03c8f6fad97b1e248.jpg

We’ll played by Johnson. Well and truly kicked into the long grass.


Be interesting to see whether Gray resigns. Presumably she as well as Dick will have been offered a seat in the Lords by now.

[Jones28]

The met have protected Johnson throughout this saga. Corrupt as ****.

The way Cressida Dick announced they would be investigating it I had a feeling something was off. Her voice was wobbling as she announced it.

[Ozyhibby]

The way Cressida Dick announced they would be investigating it I had a feeling something was off. Her voice was wobbling as she announced it.

Absolutely. The met had no interest in investigating right up until the moment where an investigation was helpful to Johnson. Dick well and truly earning her Damehood.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220128/59cf2a956c270896388576a2cb200506.jpg


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[hibsbollah]

I was talking to a Korean friend this morning. She was baffled by how the British people are so tolerant of whats going on in our politics. South Korea has a history of corruption, fraud, money laundering and all sorts between politicans and the leaders of the big conglomerates that still run a lot of Korean society. The democracy there is only about 30 years old, emerging out of military rule. But generally, when Korean politicians are caught, they resign. They apologise. They spend time in jail. At least two former presidents have done jail time for fraud and inappropriate awarding of contracts. One got 24 years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43666134 . The justice system, the courts and the police are seen by the public as broadly doing their job. Politicians are held to high standards of behaviour and being caught lying would be an automatic resigning matter.

The question she was asking was, why dont the British care about morality in public life anymore?

[Ozyhibby]

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[Jones28]

A caller to James Obrien this morning has just reminded everyone about an investigation in to Cocaine use in the Westminster bubble - that could have something to do with the Met's investigation.

There's point made by another caller and it was that at the burden of proof will have to be much higher if it becomes a criminal investigation, so if Johnson gets off from the Met investigation it will exonerate him and the Grey is suddenly small fry by comparison.

[Col2]

The Mets late intervention to set up an investigation was clearly deliberate and to stall Sue Gray report. Now a week later it’s to prevent anything of substance coming out and it will be 6,9,12 months before anything comes out.

People are asking why a change of mind by Met but they had the opportunity to start an investigation pre Xmas but refused.

This is deliberate corruption of power and the commissioner has damaged any remaining credibility the Met had. All the save Johnson.

It’s made me so angry, but also so frustrated that we will never see justice. This country is the pits. As bad as berlusconi when in charge of Italy.

Johnson will go down in history as the worst prime minister ever.

[Since90+2]

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i remember reading that a few month back, i bet the five addresses were in Downing street

Without looking into it further I'd guess the companies are using registered office services.

[JeMeSouviens]

Somebody needs to do the decent thing and get this report leaked tout de suite. :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

Somebody needs to do the decent thing and get this report leaked tout de suite. :greengrin

Surely, if past experience is anything to go by, it can be left on the train/back seat of a taxi. 😉

[Bostonhibby]

The way Cressida Dick announced they would be investigating it I had a feeling something was off. Her voice was wobbling as she announced it.Wouldn't you be a bit wobbly if the current home secretary was lurking at your back?

Dick is absolutely hopeless generally so a perfect patsy to steward this to a non conclusion way down the line.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Stephen Bush in the New Statesman:


The Metropolitan Police have asked Sue Gray to remove references to eight incidents that the force is investigating from her report into lockdown-breaking Downing Street parties, in order to avoid prejudicing their inquiries.

Relief for Boris Johnson? That’s the consensus among many Conservatives this morning. It means that Gray’s report will either be further delayed or published missing some of its biggest hits, and the Metropolitan Police’s investigation may not yet conclude that the is sufficient evidence to prosecute.

Just one problem, though: are the British public really waiting for Sue Gray, or indeed for the Metropolitan Police, to tell them whether or not the rules were broken? The evidence from the polls and indeed every focus group I have seen is that the public is pretty clear that rules were broken. What people are waiting for is justice, and what they expect is a cover-up.

The Conservative Party is doing what political parties in trouble often do: mistaking its own rhythms for the heartbeat of the nation. An abandoned investigation and a gutted report would, I’m convinced, combine all the political pain of the Owen Paterson vote with all the discomfort of the last few months.

[LunasBoots]

Everyone knew it would be a cover up when the investigation started, Johnson was smug as hell in PMQs, now we know why.

[grunt]

For anyone who's been following the Joe Lycett / Nadine Dorries try (basically she re-tweeted a joke by him poking fun at the Tories without realising he was taking the Micky)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKMneYMWQAIBm4Z?format=png&name=large

[Berwickhibby]

Absolutely. The met had no interest in investigating right up until the moment where an investigation was helpful to Johnson. Dick well and truly earning her Damehood.


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You do realise the title comes with the job…every Commissioner and head of the Crown Prosecution Service gets knighted…nothing to do with Bozo 🤡

[Northernhibee]

You do realise the title comes with the job…every Commissioner and head of the Crown Prosecution Service gets knighted…nothing to do with Bozo 🤡

So is the case of the speaker of the house and yet John Bercow didn't get a knighthood after he helped stop the government from breaking parliamentary rules.

[Jones28]

You do realise the title comes with the job…every Commissioner and head of the Crown Prosecution Service gets knighted…nothing to do with Bozo 🤡

So a knighthood regardless of how you perform in the job? Almost makes it worse doesnt it?

[Berwickhibby]

So a knighthood regardless of how you perform in the job? Almost makes it worse doesnt it?

Don’t rate her as a Commissioner…but just stating a fact no passing an opinion

[lapsedhibee]

For anyone who's been following the Joe Lycett / Nadine Dorries try (basically she re-tweeted a joke by him poking fun at the Tories without realising he was taking the Micky)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKMneYMWQAIBm4Z?format=png&name=large

I've not been following but I will now. That's a great statement from Lycett.

[Bostonhibby]

So a knighthood regardless of how you perform in the job? Almost makes it worse doesnt it?She would have got it regardless, so by keeping this toxic ball up her jumper for Bozo for as long as possible you could say in certain circles that she's "earning" it.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/peterkgeoghegan/status/1487099024868061188?s=21


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[Bostonhibby]

Is Gray pissed off ?

https://twitter.com/DMinghella/status/1487088268298665989?t=I1ROhaWxZfkm8MA5P2H09A&s=08

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[Colr]

Absolutely. The met had no interest in investigating right up until the moment where an investigation was helpful to Johnson. Dick well and truly earning her Damehood.


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She said on Desert Island Disks that her sexuality was the least interesting thing about her! I’ll say it is! The most interesting thing is her utter corruption in protecting her establishment cohorts from scrutiny. THAT’S the most interesting thing about her!

[Colr]

To my mind this goes with the continual lying.

It looks more and more like an attempt to undermine the publics faith in politicians, the police and democracy.

Look at the suppression of the Russia report on vote leave. It all meshes together. I’m not one for conspiracy theories or prosaic hyperbole but this looks straight out of the play book of Bannon, Trump even Putin funded by dodgy oligarchs who have pumped £2m into the Tory party and by shady hedgefund operators who don’t lime democracy and like scrutiny even less.

This looks like the march of a new fascism.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Dame Dick is as bent as a bent thing

[Radium]

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2022/01/28/why-on-earth-would-the-metropolitan-police-ask-sue-gray-to-redact-key-parts-of-her-independent-report/

A slightly different perspective looking at the mechanics of the police investigation but not offering any excuses for the leadership of the met


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[Crunchie]

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Dame Dick is as bent as a bent thing

Wee Nippy didn't cover herself in glory during Salmongate, she was lying through her teeth and put it down to memory loss :faf:. She has a brass neck I'll give her that.

[Crunchie]

Don’t rate her as a Commissioner…but just stating a fact no passing an opinion
the SNP cabal on here are not interested in facts :agree:.

[Glory Lurker]

Wee Nippy didn't cover herself in glory during Salmongate, she was lying through her teeth and put it down to memory loss :faf:. She has a brass neck I'll give her that.

Not even remotely comparable.

[Glory Lurker]

the SNP cabal on here are not interested in facts :agree:.

You called? :-)

[Crunchie]

Not even remotely comparable.
It never is with her, I hear she's been reported for lying about covid stats, let's see what her memory's like on that one :aok:

[CropleyWasGod]

It never is with her, I hear she's been reported for lying about covid stats, let's see what her memory's like on that one :aok:

Did you also hear that Willie Rennie got that wrong?

[Moulin Yarns]

It never is with her, I hear she's been reported for lying about covid stats, let's see what her memory's like on that one :aok:

Was reported and found to have been correct, whose memory is playing up? 😂

[Callum_62]

It never is with her, I hear she's been reported for lying about covid stats, let's see what her memory's like on that one :aok:Willie rennie got it wrong and apologised

You must have somehow missed that important detail [emoji33]

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[Callum_62]

Wee Nippy didn't cover herself in glory during Salmongate, she was lying through her teeth and put it down to memory loss :faf:. She has a brass neck I'll give her that.Was that the time our leader sat through 8 hours of questioning?

Sounds really similar to be fair

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[JimBHibees]

To my mind this goes with the continual lying.

It looks more and more like an attempt to undermine the publics faith in politicians, the police and democracy.

Look at the suppression of the Russia report on vote leave. It all meshes together. I’m not one for conspiracy theories or prosaic hyperbole but this looks straight out of the play book of Bannon, Trump even Putin funded by dodgy oligarchs who have pumped £2m into the Tory party and by shady hedgefund operators who don’t lime democracy and like scrutiny even less.

This looks like the march of a new fascism.

Exactly

[Glory Lurker]

It never is with her, I hear she's been reported for lying about covid stats, let's see what her memory's like on that one :aok:

Again, not even remotely comparable.

[Hibrandenburg]

Willie rennie got it wrong and apologised

You must have somehow missed that important detail [emoji33]

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It won't be printed in the papers he reads.

[DaveF]

It would be great if folk just ignored this crunchie troll. Starting off as an Indy supporting SNP member whose mask slipped pretty quickly, this poster brings no value to the debate unlike Skol and others who stand up for themselves is a reasoned manner.

Best thing I ever did was put it on ignore but sadly, the more who quote him, the less I'll read this forum.

[Crunchie]

Did you also hear that Willie Rennie got that wrong?
I didn't know, I saw the headline and thought here we go again, she was censured in 2020 for making false claims and she accepted she was wrong then. Rennie probably did the same I don't know, I didn't even know it was him that made the claim, I just saw a headline and couldn't be arsed reading it :aok:

[Crunchie]

It would be great if folk just ignored this crunchie troll. Starting off as an Indy supporting SNP member whose mask slipped pretty quickly, this poster brings no value to the debate unlike Skol and others who stand up for themselves is a reasoned manner.

Best thing I ever did was put it on ignore but sadly, the more who quote him, the less I'll read this forum.
My mask was never on. Dave, I told you my political voting history and you chose not to believe it, your prerogative pal but I've no reason to lie about it.

I'll wager I've paid more ,money into the SNP coffers in my years of membership than the majority on here especially purchased merchandise.

[Just Alf]

It would be great if folk just ignored this crunchie troll. Starting off as an Indy supporting SNP member whose mask slipped pretty quickly, this poster brings no value to the debate unlike Skol and others who stand up for themselves is a reasoned manner.

Best thing I ever did was put it on ignore but sadly, the more who quote him, the less I'll read this forum.Ignore function is a godsend, it allows the likes of Skol, Berwick Hibbie and others to have a voice without being drowned out by drivel and folks that pedal one-sided arguments even when it's proved they're lying

(and continuing on without a retraction, maybe they did and I missed it, so apologies if that's the case, but ignore function and all that....)

[hibsbollah]

especially purchased merchandise.

I’m intrigued by this. Full details please

[Crunchie]

I’m intrigued by this. Full details please
What's intriguing about it? I regularly bought badges, stickers, T- shirts and quite a bit of YES material etc from the online shop. I nearly got banned from one of the boozers in Leith for sticking badges in the toilet, childish I know but there you are.

I'm sorry I can't post invoices for you and Dave as proof of purchase :aok:

[hibsbollah]

What's intriguing about it? I regularly bought badges, stickers, T- shirts and quite a bit of YES material etc from the online shop. I nearly got banned from one of the boozers in Leith for sticking badges in the toilet, childish I know but there you are.

I'm sorry I can't post invoices for you and Dave as proof of purchase :aok:

No need to apologise, I was thinking you still had loads of SNP gear you still had to hide from your pals and perhaps still went on holiday with a yellow snp branded beach towels and mankini. The truth is more mundane clearly.

[Crunchie]

No need to apologise, I was thinking you still had loads of SNP gear you still had to hide from your pals and perhaps still went on holiday with a yellow snp branded beach towels and mankini. The truth is more mundane clearly.
You clearly read way too much into things, sorry to disappoint, oops there I go apologising again.

[hibsbollah]

You clearly read way too much into things, sorry to disappoint, oops there I go apologising again.

Your apology would be much better directed to the landlord of Tamsons, the bar staff used to spend hours picking those nat stickers off the walls, shocking behaviour.

[Crunchie]

Your apology would be much better directed to the landlord of Tamsons, the bar staff used to spend hours picking those nat stickers off the walls, shocking behaviour.
Not a pub I ever frequented with my stickers but I agree, shocking and childish behaviour.

Not as bad as the wanton vandals who spray paint all over the walls and shutters of premises mind you, they've branched out to spraying their **** on house walls.

[Bostonhibby]

What's intriguing about it? I regularly bought badges, stickers, T- shirts and quite a bit of YES material etc from the online shop. I nearly got banned from one of the boozers in Leith for sticking badges in the toilet, childish I know but there you are.

I'm sorry I can't post invoices for you and Dave as proof of purchase :aok:I do believe you, in a way it's disappointing as I'd checked in hoping it might have been Jimmy wigs and Nicola Sturgeon halloween masks[emoji6]

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2022/0129/1276543-boris-johnson/

Johnson looking stronger now.


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[Radium]

https://twitter.com/chootchyface/status/1486851689600540676?s=21

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220129/b1b490f66befe6b84481327fadc8df04.jpg


530am, Bermuda shorts, dress shirt with tail hanging out …

… paparazzi just happen to be there…

… can’t be a dead cat, too obvious


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[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/chootchyface/status/1486851689600540676?s=21

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220129/b1b490f66befe6b84481327fadc8df04.jpg


530am, Bermuda shorts, dress shirt with tail hanging out …

… paparazzi just happen to be there…

… can’t be a dead cat, too obvious


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAlexander Boris de Pfeffel is a man of the people, especially the ones who are living with the rising cost of living.

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[Colr]

Did you know that the Met’s Assistant Commissioner for Professionalism is Complicity Dick’s wife and that Sahid Javid’s brother is deputy commissioner for the Met and the Dick and Tge Dickend where both at Balliol Oxford

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220129/e5dad4cf7ec4b2695cda1eded2f7e0b0.jpg

Tories starting to recover in the polls. Looks like the Met has managed to buy Johnson just enough time to save himself.


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[James310]

Did you know that the Met’s Assistant Commissioner for Professionalism is Complicity Dick’s wife and that Sahid Javid’s brother is deputy commissioner for the Met and the Dick and Tge Dickend where both at Balliol Oxford

The first bit is fake news I am afraid. Her partner retired from the police in 2017 and reached the rank.of Inspector. Same name to be fair, but totally different person.

https://www.fsmatters.com/page_870295.asp


https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/19/uks-most-senior-police-officer-cressida-dick-is-in-same-sex-relationship/

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1487486691057315846?t=EA9yOQ77y1w3fHWAweiUQA&s=19

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[hibsbollah]

Johnson visiting Putin next week. He should be stopped. It’s embarrassing. Who will be the strongest man in the room? :faf:

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1487531014008233988?t=fDQ-FJ47fU_oDQmOhUyysA&s=08

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Fears over top-secret papers left strewn by Boris Johnson revealed | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19885124.fears-top-secret-papers-left-strewn-boris-johnson-revealed/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR1jrrZMlRN3fangnGOF2y7vpx15Neorn8ArzOiDA pIVWZBneIGJmgDgsLU)


A "FRAT house" atmosphere in Boris Johnson's flat and laxness around security led to restrictions on where top-secret papers could be viewed, it has been claimed.
Highly classified material was left lying around in 11 Downing Street where it could be read by any visitor, reported The Times.


Sue Gray, who is investigating lockdown parties held in Downing Street, found that some of Carrie Johnson’s friends had access to a Pin code giving access to the private flat above 11 Downing Street, according to claims being made in Whitehall.

how much more is that circus clown going to get away with.

[Bostonhibby]

Johnson visiting Putin next week. He should be stopped. It’s embarrassing. Who will be the strongest man in the room? :faf:I find it hard to believe that the Russian leader still has his milk delivered.

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[Radium]

Johnson visiting Putin next week. He should be stopped. It’s embarrassing. Who will be the strongest man in the room? :faf:

Need to keep the party donations from Putins pet billionaires coming in


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[stoneyburn hibs]

Johnson visiting Putin next week. He should be stopped. It’s embarrassing. Who will be the strongest man in the room? :faf:

The UK sends a Weapon of mass destruction to Russia.

[hibsbollah]

Fears over top-secret papers left strewn by Boris Johnson revealed | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19885124.fears-top-secret-papers-left-strewn-boris-johnson-revealed/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR1jrrZMlRN3fangnGOF2y7vpx15Neorn8ArzOiDA pIVWZBneIGJmgDgsLU)


A "FRAT house" atmosphere in Boris Johnson's flat and laxness around security led to restrictions on where top-secret papers could be viewed, it has been claimed.
Highly classified material was left lying around in 11 Downing Street where it could be read by any visitor, reported The Times.


Sue Gray, who is investigating lockdown parties held in Downing Street, found that some of Carrie Johnson’s friends had access to a Pin code giving access to the private flat above 11 Downing Street, according to claims being made in Whitehall.

how much more is that circus clown going to get away with.

‘Frat house’ atmosphere. He’s actually Rodney Dangerfield.

[Bostonhibby]

The UK sends a Weapon of mass destruction to Russia.Since any military noises Bozo might have to make are an absolute irrelevance maybe the best tactic is to threaten Putin with an alliance.

Could help legitimise all that Russian cash the Nasty party benefit from.

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[Keith_M]

How's the report into Russian Election Interference progressing?

[Radium]

Fears over top-secret papers left strewn by Boris Johnson revealed | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19885124.fears-top-secret-papers-left-strewn-boris-johnson-revealed/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR1jrrZMlRN3fangnGOF2y7vpx15Neorn8ArzOiDA pIVWZBneIGJmgDgsLU)


A "FRAT house" atmosphere in Boris Johnson's flat and laxness around security led to restrictions on where top-secret papers could be viewed, it has been claimed.
Highly classified material was left lying around in 11 Downing Street where it could be read by any visitor, reported The Times.


Sue Gray, who is investigating lockdown parties held in Downing Street, found that some of Carrie Johnson’s friends had access to a Pin code giving access to the private flat above 11 Downing Street, according to claims being made in Whitehall.

how much more is that circus clown going to get away with.

https://youtu.be/y9o_nu6WWEg


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[Bostonhibby]

How's the report into Russian Election Interference progressing?Cressida Dick is taking a look at it before sending it to Sue Gray, rinse, repeat......

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[Kato]

How's the report into Russian Election Interference progressing?Putting has ordered him over for more.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/adamjschwarz/status/1487731074461536256?s=21


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[hibsbollah]

Such a good article this, John Harris on what partygate shows us about power and privilege

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/30/luxury-privation-britain-becoming-feudal-disparities

[H18S NX]

That's a hard read,people are desperate but this lot don't give a monkeys.Can't stand them.IMO.

[silverhibee]

Getting silly now, it’s just Sue’s report, no second name anymore while bob the builder plays about on a tractor.

[hibsbollah]

That's a hard read,people are desperate but this lot don't give a monkeys.Can't stand them.IMO.

Totally.


Sometimes things that are self-evident still need to be pointed out. So it is with one aspect of the crisis we now know as “partygate (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/28/friday-briefing-partygate-report-delay-leaves-pm-under-gray-cloud)”, and an element of the story that both observers and participants have seemed to take for granted: the fact that all the disgrace and deceit revealed since December took place amid a level of plenty that millions of people will surely consider almost surreal.

This is not just a matter of a suitcase full of booze, generous helpings of M&S “picnic food” and the infamous fridge (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/wine-fridge-smuggled-number-10-25952076) that held 34 bottles of wine. Consider the bit-part players: an interior designer whose wallpaper of choice costs £840 a roll, a London property developer (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-nick-candy-tory-donors-22471144) (and Tory donor) famed for taking out an £80m mortgage, and a chancellor whose family is reckoned to be worth more than the Queen. Note also the centrality to the Boris Johnson soap opera of cake, from the kind he says he can have while eating it, to the confection he was “ambushed” with in the cabinet room. In this world, any privations demanded by lockdown were more than balanced out by the comforts of eating, drinking and ostentatiously spending, not least on what Johnson apparently terms “letting off steam (https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/boris-johnson-told-staff-let-6497888)”.

Lexie often gets through a day by eating only toast, because, she told me last week, “my kids need to eat more than I need to eat”. She is disabled, and lives in rural north Wales, with her husband – who was recently made redundant – and four children, aged from eight to 18. Like so many other people, the benefits system leaves them unable to meet the cost of basic essentials, and their day-to-day predicament is now being made impossible by the mounting cost of living crisis (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/05/cost-of-living-crisis-british-politics-2022-energy-bills-tax-rises-boris-johnson), and everything it means for the price of food, petrol and heating.


Inflation at the supermarket, she said, seems to fall in all the wrong places: “Chicken nuggets don’t seem to have gone up, but the food you should be feeding your children has. My children think it’s a treat when they get frozen vegetables mixed in a cheap jar of sauce and pasta. That’s as close as we get to fresh meals.” The lack of warmth is just as trying. “My kids are cold,” she said, “and I can’t tell them to switch on the heating: I have to tell them to put another layer of clothing on. They get up in the morning and they’re shivering, trying to get dressed.”
But partygate also highlights one of the fundamental reasons why poverty and need are snowballing. With huge rises in fuel bills (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/23/energy-bills-could-rise-by-50-amid-national-crisis-of-soaring-uk-prices) due to arrive in early April, the government has so far failed to act – partly, it seems, because it has recently been stuck in such a state of chaos. But it has also made deliberate decisions that will worsen many people’s predicament, from the hike in national insurance – which, in a jointly written article for the Sunday Times, the prime minister and chancellor have now confirmed (https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jan/29/boris-johnson-and-rishi-sunak-double-down-on-national-insurance-rise) – to the cruel snatching-back of the £20-a-week “uplift” in universal credit that Lexie told me had tipped her and her family into even deeper problems. Amid cake, “wine-time Fridays (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-wine-time-fridays-25951853)” and Johnson and his acolytes’ almost surreal levels of privilege, is that really much of a surprise?

I was put in touch with Lexie by a project called Covid Realities (https://covidrealities.org/), jointly organised by researchers from the universities of York and Birmingham, and the Child Poverty Action group. Between June 2020 and July 2021, it allowed people living in difficult and vulnerable circumstances to write – usually, like Lexie, using pseudonyms – about their experiences of life in the pandemic. In December, rising prices and the end of the universal credit uplift prompted the people in charge to ask for new material (https://cpag.org.uk/news-blogs/news-listings/documenting-life-low-income-winter) from their contributors, who have now added to a stock of intimate, striking testimony, describing how fragile millions of lives are as the pandemic seemingly begins to recede.

Covid Realities also connected me with Erik, whose life was changed by a car accident, and who lives in the Surrey suburbs with his 15-year-old daughter, carefully self-rationing food, heating and hot water. “Last week was the first time for a while that I didn’t have enough money to buy milk or bread,” he said. After talking to him, I spoke to a single mother who writes her diary under the name Aurora (https://covidrealities.org/experiences/aUYpLTMSN9isRbMyJJkB). Recently widowed, she lives with her two children in a privately rented house in west London, close to family members who provide much-needed support. Thanks to the benefit cap (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/06/guardian-view-on-benefit-cap-disgraceful-policy-george-osborne-budget) introduced by George Osborne (who, amid an extensive list of post-politics commitments, now has a full-time job at a “boutique investment bank (https://www.cityam.com/george-osborne-takes-up-full-time-banking-role-at-robey-warshaw/)” called Robey Warshaw), she and her children receive an annual £23,000, but her rent totals £21,600 a year. “I’m in a huge amount of debt,” she told me. “I’m basically caught in this cycle. It’s never ending. And now the costs of everything are rising, and I don’t know what’s going to happen. We’re going to be made homeless, which will cost the government more.”

She briefly fell silent. “We’ve just been ignored, people like me. And I’m doing the best I can. I’m desperate to find work. I’m desperate.” Her last spell of paid employment, she said, was at a call centre, but had come to grief when she couldn’t combine the shifts she was asked to work with the necessity of picking up her youngest child from school.
Predictably, the ad hoc responses to rising living costs reportedly being discussed in government do not suggest any convincing answers. Rishi Sunak is said to be considering an extension of the warm home discount scheme (https://www.gov.uk/the-warm-home-discount-scheme) that currently reduces some poorer households’ energy bills by £140 over the winter; there has been talk of a one-off payment of up to £500 to “struggling workers” (“That would sustain me for what – about a month?” said Aurora). Cutting VAT on fuel bills entails a saving of only 5%; bowing to Tory pressure to remove the green levies on fuel bills would threaten insulation programmes (https://www.cityam.com/treasury-considers-cutting-green-levy-to-ease-cost-of-living-crisis-for-uk-households/) designed to reduce the living costs of people at the bottom of the income scale. Meanwhile, though poverty and disadvantage are kept festering by our cruel and miserly benefits system, the government seems to want to make things even worse. Never mind such obstacles to employment as expensive childcare and pitiful local public transport: last week, Johnson and his ministers announced (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jan/27/universal-credit-claimants-face-tough-sanctions-in-uk-job-crackdown) a new scheme titled Way to Work, whereby unemployed people on universal credit will no longer be given three months to find their preferred job, but will instead be seemingly forced to take whatever work they can find after only four weeks. At that point, if they are deemed not to have made “reasonable efforts” to find work, part of their universal credit payments will be stopped.
The same day, it was reported that, after proposing to spend £3,000 (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/02/liz-truss-hosted-3k-lunch-for-us-envoy-over-civil-service-objections) of public money on a diplomatic lunch replete with high-end wine and gin, Liz Truss used a government private jet for an official trip to Australia at an estimated cost of £500,000 (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/27/labour-condemns-waste-of-liz-truss-taking-private-jet-to-australia). Such are the almost feudal features of current British politics, which take you straight to the heart of why, as prices zoom up, deprivation will only deepen. People steeped in excess are so far from the pain they keep causing that it barely registers: glasses clink, engines roar, cakes arrive, and the sound is simply drowned out.

[Ryan91]

From the snippets I have seen regarding Sue Gray's report, seems pretty scathing of Govt and no 10, described as "failures of leadership and judgement" and behaviour "difficult to justify"

[JeMeSouviens]

From the snippets I have seen regarding Sue Gray's report, seems pretty scathing of Govt and no 10, described as "failures of leadership and judgement" and behaviour "difficult to justify"

16 events looked at by SG, 12 (!) are subject of police investigation, therefore:


I am extremely limited in what I can say about those events and it is not possible at present to provide a meaningful report setting out and analysing the extensive factual information.

[Bristolhibby]

He doesn’t give a ****. He’ll try and brass it out.

New Office of the Prime Minister with a Permanent Secretary. throwing Civil Servants and Spads under the bus as they were to blame.

More pish from De Piffel. Banging on about Jimmy Saville.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Putin now.

See Gualteri in 1982. Same tactic.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Teresa May now laying into Johnson.

Good on ya!

J

[McSwanky]

Teresa May now laying into Johnson.

Good on ya!

J

That was a moment, that was. Enjoyed that.

[Bristolhibby]

Ian Blackford is brilliant!

J

[Bristolhibby]

They are going to throw him out!

J

[stu in nottingham]

Johnson just repeated the lie about the UK being the fastest growing economy in the G7. Unreal.

[Chorley Hibee]

Johnson just repeated the lie about the UK being the fastest growing economy in the G7. Unreal.

Laughable that you can't call someone a liar in Parliament but you're allowed to continually spout them.

Johnson now confirming he will decide what is finally published.

Fully independent report you say. 🤣

[Northernhibee]

I'm not a fan of Blackford as Westminster leader as he's not mastered the art of the punchy question at PMQs and is quite one note in his delivery but that was absolutely brilliant from him. Cometh the hour and all that.

[McSwanky]

Johnson just repeated the lie about the UK being the fastest growing economy in the G7. Unreal.

https://fullfact.org/economy/january-2022-gdp-growth-g7/

It's one of these things that you can't prove isn't true, he can pick whichever period of time he likes. Technically, not a lie. Load of *******, yes, but technically not a lie.

[Mon Dieu4]

I'm not a fan of Blackford as Westminster leader as he's not mastered the art of the punchy question at PMQs and is quite one note in his delivery but that was absolutely brilliant from him. Cometh the hour and all that.

Yep, I can take him or leave him at times too, but I was shouting at the TV you better not back down here, well done to him

[Northernhibee]

Johnson brought up Jimmy Saville earlier. When money to investigate historical cases of child abuse is considered to be money "spaffed up the wall" that's really not a good look.

[Northernhibee]

Yep, I can take him or leave him at times too, but I was shouting at the TV you better not back down here, well done to him

I thought he was going to when he started saying "may have inadvertently misled parliament" but pleased he seen it through.

[stu in nottingham]

https://fullfact.org/economy/january-2022-gdp-growth-g7/

It's one of these things that you can't prove isn't true, he can pick whichever period of time he likes. Technically, not a lie. Load of *******, yes, but technically not a lie.

I take your point. However, my interpretation of deliberately misleading people is that of lying. It's deceitful, devious and disingenuous (and probably a lot more 'de' words!) People can make their own conclusions about that.

[McSwanky]

I take your point. However, my interpretation of deliberately misleading people is that of lying. It's deceitful, devious and disingenuous (and probably a lot more 'de' words!) People can make their own conclusions about that.

I absolutely and wholeheartedly agree. :agree:

[ronaldo7]

The highest political office in the UK has been shown to be a two and a tanner job lot for Eton fanboys. The UK will be held in contempt by countries who cherish democracy.

A banana republic would be a step up for this rotten decaying cabal who are the UKGOV.

[Northernhibee]

Starmer should call a vote of no confidence if he can. If it's done in the dark in the corridors of Tory HQ then we know nothing. If we force them to do it in public then we'll see where peoples loyalties lie.

[JeMeSouviens]

If we don't get 54 letters in after that then he truly is unsinkable.

The met have 300 party photos to sift through, apparently. It's Hampden 2016 all over again. :greengrin

[Northernhibee]

Johnson appears to insinuate that the Labour front bench takes or has taken a lot of drugs.

Ladies and gentleman, a man standing near Michael ****ing Gove.

[JeMeSouviens]

Starmer should call a vote of no confidence if he can. If it's done in the dark in the corridors of Tory HQ then we know nothing. If we force them to do it in public then we'll see where peoples loyalties lie.

A VoNC would result in a general election though. Even this bunch of Tories aren't that stupid. It's about the only thing they probably all agree on.

I imagine he'll be knifed by his own side fairly soon ...

[Northernhibee]

A VoNC would result in a general election though. Even this bunch of Tories aren't that stupid. It's about the only thing they probably all agree on.

I imagine he'll be knifed by his own side fairly soon ...

But then they make themselves complicit by backing him. It would be, I'd imagine, a massive consideration for any Tory backbencher to vote to save your job or to align yourself with someone so toxic.

[Col2]

If we don't get 54 letters in after that then he truly is unsinkable.

The met have 300 party photos to sift through, apparently. It's Hampden 2016 all over again. :greengrin

Even by his standards that was a disgraceful show. Skipped through the report, laying blame at everyone else door and then the usual bliuster about getting on with the job. Very little contrition, zero humility and then disgracefully brought Jimmy Saville into it. The leader of the house should have stepped in but instead waited to call out Blackford.

It’s down to the Tory MPs to find some balls and do what is required.

[Colr]

Starmer should call a vote of no confidence if he can. If it's done in the dark in the corridors of Tory HQ then we know nothing. If we force them to do it in public then we'll see where peoples loyalties lie.

Danger in doing so is that such a vote may unite the Nasty Party when they are best divided.

[Chorley Hibee]

If we don't get 54 letters in after that then he truly is unsinkable.

The met have 300 party photos to sift through, apparently. It's Hampden 2016 all over again. :greengrin

Met Police announce it was exuberance.

[Northernhibee]

Danger in doing so is that such a vote may unite the Nasty Party when they are best divided.

I was away to say “could you really see the likes of Theresa May backtracking after her statement “ but then remembered that she’s a Tory, of course I could.

If they’re allowed to do it in private then Johnson is out, they elect someone new to leader, the papers get behind them and they win the next election.

Worst case scenario if he calls it is that he stays and is safe for a bit longer whilst toxic and waiting for the results of a criminal investigation.

Best case is they get a general election and romp home.

I think this is their chance.

[LunasBoots]

I'm not a fan of Blackford as Westminster leader as he's not mastered the art of the punchy question at PMQs and is quite one note in his delivery but that was absolutely brilliant from him. Cometh the hour and all that.

Good Hibby telling it as it is, If anyone should be removed it's that joker prime minister

[patch1875]

Starmer looked like he wanted to go over and smack him when Boris got back up.

[StevieC]

I missed todays politics, and reading some of the posts above wondering if there is somewhere online I can catch it?

[Ozyhibby]

The Tories main man in Scotland gives Johnson his backing.

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[LunasBoots]

The Tories main man in Scotland gives Johnson his backing.

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Wouldn't expect anything else from a man only in a job for Johnson.

[hibsbollah]

Met Police announce it was exuberance.

:faf:

[Stick]

I missed todays politics, and reading some of the posts above wondering if there is somewhere online I can catch it?

https://t.co/3M0vCnglqa

[Crunchie]

I'm not a fan of Blackford as Westminster leader as he's not mastered the art of the punchy question at PMQs and is quite one note in his delivery but that was absolutely brilliant from him. Cometh the hour and all that.
Take off the snp tinted glasses and he's a laughing stock, I thought it was another shambolic laughable speech by him. WTF was he on about you're not a friend of mine? no wonder they were laughing at him, as they usually do.
He would do well to follow Starmer on how to act in Parliament. Now that was a speech conducted with dignity and feeling, not bluster and wind. All my opinion of course.

[Northernhibee]

Take off the snp tinted glasses.

I voted no in 2016 and have only voted SNP once in 2019 to help keep the Tories out.

[Crunchie]

I voted no in 2016 and have only voted SNP once in 2019 to help keep the Tories out.
Keep them out of where?

[Northernhibee]

Keep them out of where?

My constituency.

[Crunchie]

My constituency.
:aok:

[Torto7]

Take off the snp tinted glasses and he's a laughing stock, I thought it was another shambolic laughable speech by him. WTF was he on about you're not a friend of mine? no wonder they were laughing at him, as they usually do.
He would do well to follow Starmer on how to act in Parliament. Now that was a speech conducted with dignity and feeling, not bluster and wind. All my opinion of course.


Take off your anti SNP glasses. He is getting plaudits all round and they are well deserved. How anyone could watch that today and come to your conclusion is wonderfully telling.

[Ozyhibby]

Take off the snp tinted glasses and he's a laughing stock, I thought it was another shambolic laughable speech by him. WTF was he on about you're not a friend of mine? no wonder they were laughing at him, as they usually do.
He would do well to follow Starmer on how to act in Parliament. Now that was a speech conducted with dignity and feeling, not bluster and wind. All my opinion of course.

Totally agree. He’s a poor performer.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220131/4eecfb4f55f416f6e72ecc359665663c.jpg

More power being centralised in London.


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[Radium]

https://twitter.com/jibbajabb/status/1488230206879973386?s=21


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[Crunchie]

Take off your anti SNP glasses. He is getting plaudits all round and they are well deserved. How anyone could watch that today and come to your conclusion is wonderfully telling.
He nearly shut down the debate with his conduct, he's a laughing stock. The speaker gave him chance after chance, he should have been kicked out.

[lapsedhibee]

https://twitter.com/jibbajabb/status/1488230206879973386?s=21


She's had to up her game since Burns emerged as a genuine rival for Who Can Speak The Most Pish About Johnson In Front Of A Camera.

[Hiber-nation]

She's had to up her game since Burns emerged as a genuine rival for Who Can Speak The Most Pish About Johnson In Front Of A Camera.

Thing is she knows she's talking pish and doesn't care, you can tell by her expression when she finished the interview.

[lapsedhibee]

Thing is she knows she's talking pish and doesn't care, you can tell by her expression when she finished the interview.

Are you accusing her of insincerity? Misogynist!

[Colr]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220131/4eecfb4f55f416f6e72ecc359665663c.jpg

More power being centralised in London.


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In the hands of one man! A dictator!……..

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/glennbbc/status/1488255586437320707?s=21


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[JeMeSouviens]

She's had to up her game since Burns emerged as a genuine rival for Who Can Speak The Most Pish About Johnson In Front Of A Camera.

Most pish or most pished?

[Moulin Yarns]

Liz Truss tests positive for Covid hours after attending a packed meeting of Tory MPs - and sitting next to the Prime Minister maskless

https://t.co/RztdkOPlkE

[BroxburnHibee]

Liz Truss tests positive for Covid hours after attending a packed meeting of Tory MPs - and sitting next to the Prime Minister maskless

https://t.co/RztdkOPlkE

Thus giving BJ the perfect excuse to go into hiding again.

[hibsbollah]

https://youtu.be/FkdqR4WKvuU

[Radium]

Thus giving BJ the perfect excuse to go into hiding again.

… only if he is positive and not fully vaccinated…


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/pilotbeeruk/status/1488270772422721536?t=DmWtw_ROvMb-tRvYEAWvFg&s=19


😂

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/devonguy02/status/1488177126964670470?t=Fu3SNxnzE8KMdpxcVGQKFA&s=19

[majorhibs]

Cheers for continual links that ye just can’t access overseas wi poor internet.

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1488235127847243780?t=bHSNPGa8ibGr4Wy-_-fQZQ&s=19

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[LunasBoots]

He nearly shut down the debate with his conduct, he's a laughing stock. The speaker gave him chance after chance, he should have been kicked out.

Oh didums.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1488235127847243780?t=bHSNPGa8ibGr4Wy-_-fQZQ&s=19

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Who did she accept her place in the Lords from?


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[The Harp Awakes]

Take off the snp tinted glasses and he's a laughing stock, I thought it was another shambolic laughable speech by him. WTF was he on about you're not a friend of mine? no wonder they were laughing at him, as they usually do.
He would do well to follow Starmer on how to act in Parliament. Now that was a speech conducted with dignity and feeling, not bluster and wind. All my opinion of course.

I think it's you who needs to take your 'SNP bad' glasses off and open your eyes. The only laughing stock is BJ and he's taking the absolute p1ss out of everyone. It's about time someone in the opposition benches took some proactive form of dissent. I'd have liked all SNP members to have walked out of the chamber with Blackford. Time to take a stand against this low life of a human being and his circus act.

Starmer lacks presence and needs to become more ruthless. He is too nicey, nicey and every day that BJ hangs on to his job, he makes Starmer look weaker and weaker.

[Northernhibee]

I think it's you who needs to take your 'SNP bad' glasses off and open your eyes. The only laughing stock is BJ and he's taking the absolute p1ss out of everyone. It's about time someone in the opposition benches took some proactive form of dissent. I'd have liked all SNP members to have walked out of the chamber with Blackford. Time to take a stand againt this low life of a human being and his circus act.

Starmer lacks presence and needs ro become more ruthless. He is too nicey, nicey and every day that BJ hangs on to his job, he makes Starmer look weaker and weaker.

Starmer was absolutely fantastic yesterday.

[The Harp Awakes]

Starmer was absolutely fantastic yesterday.

Whether he can deliver a good speech or not, is not really a factor. It's whether the electorate, and particularly the English electorate, think he is a credible leader.

These satisfaction stats on his leadership tell their own story:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/keir-starmer-approval-rating

[Bostonhibby]

Who did she accept her place in the Lords from?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHand the knighthood back Ruth, deeds not words.

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[lapsedhibee]

Hand the knighthood back Ruth, deeds not words.


It was an honest transaction. She got the baronessery for agreeing to shut up about how bad Johnson was, and she did that for about as long as any sentient being could be expected to. Rather hear words from Davidson than Fabricant, Burns and Dorries, though there is a certain entertainment value in those three.

[Sylar]

He nearly shut down the debate with his conduct, he's a laughing stock. The speaker gave him chance after chance, he should have been kicked out.

While I partly agree with you, isn't it commendable that he chose to stick by his morals and expressed opinion (particularly when he was right), rather than backing down and removing his point to adhere to an archaic rule of the Chamber? There was no debate yesterday. Johnson was derided from all sides and just kept repeating the same statements in response, over and over again. If anyone was shutting down the debate yesterday, it was the Prime Minister himself with his blatant derailing tactics that he's been deploying for weeks now.

I'm no SNP voter, and I really can't stand Blackford and his methods of expression in the Commons, but any MP who won't bow their opinions because someone else wags a finger at them has more integrity than those who tiptoe around a proven liar, being too afraid to call it out. I get it, 'them's the rules' - the Ministerial Code needs a serious update to address that calling someone a liar (even indirectly) carries more of a penalty than someone standing at a dispatch box and willfully doing it without any consequences.

This PM needs removed ASAP, via whatever means possible.

[Crunchie]

While I partly agree with you, isn't it commendable that he chose to stick by his morals and expressed opinion (particularly when he was right), rather than backing down and removing his point to adhere to an archaic rule of the Chamber? There was no debate yesterday. Johnson was derided from all sides and just kept repeating the same statements in response, over and over again. If anyone was shutting down the debate yesterday, it was the Prime Minister himself with his blatant derailing tactics that he's been deploying for weeks now.

I'm no SNP voter, and I really can't stand Blackford and his methods of expression in the Commons, but any MP who won't bow their opinions because someone else wags a finger at them has more integrity than those who tiptoe around a proven liar, being too afraid to call it out. I get it, 'them's the rules' - the Ministerial Code needs a serious update to address that calling someone a liar (even indirectly) carries more of a penalty than someone standing at a dispatch box and willfully doing it without any consequences.

This PM needs removed ASAP, via whatever means possible.
I agree he needs removing but we can't just set aside rules when it suits us. The wee shouty man and his merry band of followers do nothing with their antics imo.

[Ozyhibby]

I agree he needs removing but we can't just set aside rules when it suits us. The wee shouty man and his merry band of followers do nothing with their antics imo.

I don’t rate Blackford but the most senior Scottish MP being thrown out the UK parliament for telling and defending the truth does no harm to his cause.


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[weecounty hibby]

I agree he needs removing but we can't just set aside rules when it suits us. The wee shouty man and his merry band of followers do nothing with their antics imo.

Wee shouty man!! Have you watched the antics of the Tories? They are a disgrace. Go watch the Tory roaring and cheering the other day when Johnson was on at PMQs. Gullies I think is his name.

[Sylar]

I agree he needs removing but we can't just set aside rules when it suits us. The wee shouty man and his merry band of followers do nothing with their antics imo.

Taking a stance against rules that are counter to progress is the first step in action to remove them (try telling the Suffragettes or any other social movement that they had to continue abiding by the rules and that by violating them isn't going to work). As I said, I have no real love for Blackford, but your characterisation of him as a 'wee shouty man' hardly readily identifies him from many of the others in that Chamber who struggle to enunciate themselves in a clear, calm and eloquent manner.

There needs to be repurcusions for people who willfully mislead Parliament (especially when there's evidence to support this, as Blackford exressly referenced yesterday: not just people calling it out.

[Crunchie]

Wee shouty man!! Have you watched the antics of the Tories? They are a disgrace. Go watch the Tory roaring and cheering the other day when Johnson was on at PMQs. Gullies I think is his name.
There's a lot of them from across the House do it, I personally think it gets you nowhere. He was laughed at more than listened to as Starmer was.

[Kato]

Wee shouty man!! Have you watched the antics of the Tories? They are a disgrace. Go watch the Tory roaring and cheering the other day when Johnson was on at PMQs. Gullies I think is his name.Crunchie doesn't seem to care when Tories break the rules in the commons or behave like braying donkeys, but when it's the SNP? They are a disgrace seemingly.

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[lapsedhibee]

Wee shouty man!! Have you watched the antics of the Tories? They are a disgrace. Go watch the Tory roaring and cheering the other day when Johnson was on at PMQs. Gullies I think is his name.

Jonathan Gullis, another manchild. https://twitter.com/i/status/1486609915611340800

[Crunchie]

Taking a stance against rules that are counter to progress is the first step in action to remove them (try telling the Suffragettes or any other social movement that they had to continue abiding by the rules and that by violating them isn't going to work). As I said, I have no real love for Blackford, but your characterisation of him as a 'wee shouty man' hardly readily identifies him from many of the others in that Chamber who struggle to enunciate themselves in a clear, calm and eloquent manner.

There needs to be repurcusions for people who willfully mislead Parliament (especially when there's evidence to support this, as Blackford exressly referenced yesterday: not just people calling it out.
I agree with you, but he's not the only PM to have misled parliament and probably anyone who's ever been in office has done so. Blair certainly did it, BJ just happens to be the latest.
And before anyone jumps in I'm not defending him, I think he should resign.

[Crunchie]

Crunchie doesn't seem to care when Tories break the rules in the commons or behave like braying donkeys, but when it's the SNP? They are a disgrace seemingly.

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You have a funny way of interpreting my posts.

[grunt]

Crunchie doesn't seem to care when Tories break the rules in the commons or behave like braying donkeys, but when it's the SNP? They are a disgrace seemingly.

"Former SNP voter and avid collector of SNP merchandise".

[grunt]

I agree with you, but he's not the only PM to have misled parliament and probably anyone who's ever been in office has done so. Blair certainly did it, BJ just happens to be the latest.
And before anyone jumps in I'm not defending him, I think he should resign.
"I'm not defending him", he says, while defending him four times in one two line post.

[Moulin Yarns]

There's a lot of them from across the House do it, I personally think it gets you nowhere. He was laughed at more than listened to as Starmer was.

The fact we are still 'discussing' it suggest the opposite. I bet you can't remember what Starmer said now.

[Crunchie]

"I'm not defending him", he says, while defending him four times in one two line post.
You missed the part where I said I think he should resign.

[Northernhibee]

https://twitter.com/SnellArthur/status/1488238084940607488

I wonder, is Nadine Dorries saying that she doesn’t know if Keir Starmer was or wasn’t responsible for Saville not being prosecuted or if Johnson was correct in what she said?

She’s an absolute lowlife.

[Crunchie]

The fact we are still 'discussing' it suggest the opposite. I bet you can't remember what Starmer said now.
You're not discussing anything

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/SnellArthur/status/1488238084940607488

I wonder, is Nadine Dorries saying that she doesn’t know if Keir Starmer was or wasn’t responsible for Saville not being prosecuted or if Johnson was correct in what she said?

She’s an absolute lowlife.

She is a complete and utter lowlife ****. She's a cabinet minister who has just lied. Completely and utterly lied to the public. Krishnan did a good job of keeping her under pressure until she just had to come out with it.

"The Prime Minister tells the truth".

Remember when we used to laugh at America?

[Moulin Yarns]

You're not discussing anything

Says the guy who never answers a direct question! 🙄

[weecounty hibby]

I agree with you, but he's not the only PM to have misled parliament and probably anyone who's ever been in office has done so. Blair certainly did it, BJ just happens to be the latest.
And before anyone jumps in I'm not defending him, I think he should resign.
I think the issue isn't whether he misled Parliament or not. It is how often and over how many different topics. He is a persistent liar who has been sacked from two previous jobs for being a liar. It is part of his make up, he lies as he believes he is above any law or rules or anything that other folk need to follow. Entitled and disgusting

[Kato]

You have a funny way of interpreting my posts.If you care so much about parliamentary propriety you should be on here every day moaning about the behaviour of the public school boys in the Tory party, shouting and bleating every session. Nothing though.

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[Northernhibee]

I agree with you, but he's not the only PM to have misled parliament and probably anyone who's ever been in office has done so. Blair certainly did it, BJ just happens to be the latest.
And before anyone jumps in I'm not defending him, I think he should resign.

How many PMs have misled the Queen?

[grunt]

You missed the part where I said I think he should resign.
You still defended him. Four times.

[Berwickhibby]

Bozo 🤡 simply has to go and hopefully the Met investigation leads to criminals charges as in my opinion it’s not in public interest to impose fixed penalties or cautions. The behaviour of the Tories in the house is an embarrassment at times, considering this shower are meant to leading the country. That said I do agree with Crunchie the Blackford is a Shouty wee man.

[Jones28]

Met Police: Watchdog slams misogyny and bullying in some ranks - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60215575)

Wasn't sure where to pop this, probably not a thread in itself but how can the public expect the police to uphold standards when this kind of thing is going on?

Doesn't inspire a whole lot of confidence when these are the people who are investigating Number 10.

[The Harp Awakes]

Bozo 🤡 simply has to go and hopefully the Met investigation leads to criminals charges as in my opinion it’s not in public interest to impose fixed penalties or cautions. The behaviour of the Tories in the house is an embarrassment at times, considering this shower are meant to leading the country. That said I do agree with Crunchie the Blackford is a Shouty wee man.

One thing I've noticed on social media regularly, is a tendency for those on the unionist side of the Scottish independence argument, to resort to name calling and the use of derogatory language in describing their political foes, e.g., wee nippy, shouty wee man, etc.

Do they have big man syndrome, or is it just because they have completely lost the argument and have nothing else to say :dunno:

[Crunchie]

One thing I've noticed on social media regularly, is a tendency for those on the unionist side of the Scottish independence argument, to resort to name calling and the use of derogatory language in describing their political foes, e.g., wee nippy, shouty wee man, etc.

Do they have big man syndrome, or is it just because they have completely lost the argument and have nothing else to say :dunno:
There's a lot of name calling from the nats, who are you trying to kid.

[Jones28]

There's a lot of name calling from the nats, who are you trying to kid.

It happens on both sides, lets not pretend otherwise.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1488494435679838209?s=21


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[Just Alf]

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1488494435679838209?s=21


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk"Includes £2.6 billion of PPE which is not suitable for use in the Health and Social Care sector"

Jeez

[Crunchie]

It happens on both sides, lets not pretend otherwise.
My point exactly :agree:

[Andy Bee]

Something to lighten the mood a touch :greengrin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkdqR4WKvuU

[The Harp Awakes]

There's a lot of name calling from the nats, who are you trying to kid.

Come on now Crunchie, you've slipped up and missed an opportunity there - thought we were known as the gnats :cool2:

[The Harp Awakes]

It happens on both sides, lets not pretend otherwise.

Not saying it doesn't but enlighten me. What's the derogatory term 'nats' use for politicians on the unionist side like Sarwar, Ross, Starmer etc? I genuinely haven't heard them which is why I ask.

[Berwickhibby]

Not saying it doesn't but enlighten me. What's the derogatory term 'nats' use for politicians on the unionist side like Sarwar, Ross, Starmer etc? I genuinely haven't heard them which is why I ask.

Dross and Bozo spring to mind

[James310]

Dross and Bozo spring to mind

Never sure why Ruth Davidson gets called The Mooth.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/wildernessyrs/status/1488446559511580672?s=21

Good work from Ed Balls here.


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[Ozyhibby]

Never sure why Ruth Davidson gets called The Mooth.

Rhymes with Ruth. It’s crap patter.


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[lapsedhibee]

Not saying it doesn't but enlighten me. What's the derogatory term 'nats' use for politicians on the unionist side like Sarwar, Ross, Starmer etc? I genuinely haven't heard them which is why I ask.

Opponents can sometimes go as far as calling him Keith, or Sir Keith.

[Bostonhibby]

"Includes £2.6 billion of PPE which is not suitable for use in the Health and Social Care sector"

JeezOne of the benefits of Lord Deighton's fast tracking for chums and party donators only?

Wealth transfer at its finest, everyone's got to pay for it through recent NI rises.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Opponents can sometimes go as far as calling him Keith, or Sir Keith.

To be fair, most of those opponents are in the Labour party.

[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/wildernessyrs/status/1488446559511580672?s=21

Good work from Ed Balls here.


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I do like Ed.

Rabb rather dug his own grave there, and fell in with the pleading… ‘I don’t know what I don’t know’ :aok:

[lapsedhibee]

https://twitter.com/jibbajabb/status/1488230206879973386?s=21


https://twitter.com/i/status/1488289749752291331

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1488494435679838209?s=21


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Buried on page 199 of the Department of Health and Social Care’s annual report published yesterday is the shocking disclosure that it has incurred £8.7bn of losses - £8.7bn ! - on £12.1bn of PPE bought in 2020/21.

£8.7bn worth of dodgy PPE? While at the same time there were VIP Lane dodgy PPE contracts? Some going to companies with no experience in providing PPE? I wonder what went wrong?

Mmm, need Sherlock Holmes in to solve this one.

Some perspective on what £8.7bn, which has just gone down Swannee, means.

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1488607668013084675

Add on the private cost of track and trace, £37bn and rising and I bet there's been the thick end of £50bn up for grabs.

[Bostonhibby]

Buried on page 199 of the Department of Health and Social Care’s annual report published yesterday is the shocking disclosure that it has incurred £8.7bn of losses - £8.7bn ! - on £12.1bn of PPE bought in 2020/21.

£8.7bn worth of dodgy PPE? While at the same time there were VIP Lane dodgy PPE contracts? Some going to companies with no experience in providing PPE? I wonder what went wrong?

Mmm, need Sherlock Holmes in to solve this one.

Some perspective on what £8.7bn, which has just gone down Swannee, means.

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1488607668013084675

Add on the private cost of track and trace, £37bn and rising and I bet there's been the thick end of £50bn up for grabs.No wonder Bozo and Sunak rammed the N I increase through.
Someone's got to pay

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[Moulin Yarns]

Movie news: Filming starts today on “Eighteen Parties, One Wedding, and One Hundred and Fifty Seven Thousand Funerals” https://t.co/vqKUqDkgYb

[Kato]

No wonder Bozo and Sunak rammed the N I increase through.
Someone's got to pay

This is exactly correct. The £8.7bn from the non-PPE fraud added to the £4.3bn which was lost to fraud via Covid loan scams equals a years worth of the nations' NI payments - as per the link above.

Fraudsters have literally picked our pockets, the sum is being written off and the only way this Govt are going to balance their books is to get us to cough up some more.

I just don't get what is popular with these populists. What's the allure?

[WeeRussell]

Dross and Bozo spring to mind

Interestingly it was only yourself I noticed in posts prior to this one today that used “bozo”. I hadn’t ever really realised it as being particularly derogatory… but I guess that’s how it’s intended!

I’m not really one for the nicknames for politicians, although I’m prone to some cursing when describing the likes of Boris Johnson and his chums.

I always think “wee nippy” and “krankie” and the latest “shouty wee man” etc tell you exactly the sort of post you’re about to read the vast majority of the time.

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/patrickjbutler/status/1489173033642299392?s=21

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[SHODAN]

Playground nicknames for politicians you don't like comes a cross as childish and petty regardless of affiliation imo.

I've always thought simply calling the prime minister "Johnson" shows the most contempt anyway.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/exclusive-boris-s-policy-chief-quits-over-jimmy-savile-slur

Advisor quits over Saville slur.


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[grunt]

Advisor quits over Saville slur.
Have to admit I'm sceptical about this. She's put up with working with him since his days as London Mayor, so she must have seen much of what he gets up to. And it's this one thing that tips her to resign?

I think she's been looking to leave and this was her chance.

[Ozyhibby]

Have to admit I'm sceptical about this. She's put up with working with him since his days as London Mayor, so she must have seen much of what he gets up to. And it's this one thing that tips her to resign?

I think she's been looking to leave and this was her chance.

Probably but all that really matter is that rats are deserting the sinking ship.


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[hibsbollah]

Have to admit I'm sceptical about this. She's put up with working with him since his days as London Mayor, so she must have seen much of what he gets up to. And it's this one thing that tips her to resign?

I think she's been looking to leave and this was her chance.

:agree: I am slightly baffled where all the outrage is coming from for this particular’slur’. Strictly speaking Starmer WAS head of public prosecutions when the decision was made not to prosecute Saville. It was a bit of a cheap shot, and no evidence is there of any sort of collusion or cover up, but Johnson has said far worse.

Failure to prosecute anyone for the killings of De Menezes or Ian Tomlinson is also on his permanent record though, for which he’s never provided a decent explanation. He’s unlikely to be asked about that though, because relatives of dead ordinary people don’t have powerful lobbies or interest groups working for them.

[Berwickhibby]

:agree: I am slightly baffled where all the outrage is coming from for this particular’slur’. Strictly speaking Starmer WAS head of public prosecutions when the decision was made not to prosecute Saville. It was a bit of a cheap shot, and no evidence is there of any sort of collusion or cover up, but Johnson has said far worse.

Failure to prosecute anyone for the killings of De Menezes or Ian Tomlinson is also on his permanent record though, for which he’s never provided a decent explanation. He’s unlikely to be asked about that though, because relatives of dead ordinary people don’t have powerful lobbies or interest groups working for them.

Simon Harwood was charged and prosecuted for the manslaughter of Ian Tomlinson and found not guilty by a jury. He was still dismissed by the police…but let’s not allow facts to muddy your moan.

[Ozyhibby]

:agree: I am slightly baffled where all the outrage is coming from for this particular’slur’. Strictly speaking Starmer WAS head of public prosecutions when the decision was made not to prosecute Saville. It was a bit of a cheap shot, and no evidence is there of any sort of collusion or cover up, but Johnson has said far worse.

Failure to prosecute anyone for the killings of De Menezes or Ian Tomlinson is also on his permanent record though, for which he’s never provided a decent explanation. He’s unlikely to be asked about that though, because relatives of dead ordinary people don’t have powerful lobbies or interest groups working for them.

Maybe because the decision had nothing to do with Starmer and maybe the victims of Saville would rather the suffering was not weaponised to take cheap political shots?


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[hibsbollah]

Simon Harwood was charged and prosecuted for the manslaughter of Ian Tomlinson and found not guilty by a jury. He was still dismissed by the police…but let’s not allow facts to muddy your moan.

It finally went to trial, after Starmer twice refused to prosecute, in July and again in October. Only in the following May when a coroner directed the inquest jury to say Tomlinson was unlawfully killed, three weeks later, he is charged with manslaughter. Despite the video evidence, he refused to attempt a prosecution for 13 months.

They are the facts.

[hibsbollah]

the decision had nothing to do with Starmer

So The Guardian tells me. I’d like to have this explained. I read he wasn’t the lawyer in charge of the case, but he’s still the DPP. In other cases the DPP is referred to as the final arbiter (as in the Ian Tomlinson case) what’s different here? I have no interest in any conspiracy theory, just want the reasoning spelled out.

[Bishop Hibee]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/exclusive-boris-s-policy-chief-quits-over-jimmy-savile-slur

Advisor quits over Saville slur.


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Of all the odious lies the charlatan Johnson has uttered, this is the worst. He’s **** as far as I’m concerned. The sooner we’re out of the Westminster cesspit the better.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/dannyshawnews/status/1489285762294206470?s=21


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[Tobias Funke]

https://twitter.com/dannyshawnews/status/1489285762294206470?s=21


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The Thick of It being aped by real life politics again!!

[Berwickhibby]

It finally went to trial, after Starmer twice refused to prosecute, in July and again in October. Only in the following May when a coroner directed the inquest jury to say Tomlinson was unlawfully killed, three weeks later, he is charged with manslaughter. Despite the video evidence, he refused to attempt a prosecution for 13 months.

They are the facts.

So the fact you clearly stated nobody was prosecuted for Ian Tomlinson’s death is now a fact :confused: or the time delay by DPP to charge is that the fact where nobody was prosecuted…

[JimBHibees]

Of all the odious lies the charlatan Johnson has uttered, this is the worst. He’s **** as far as I’m concerned. The sooner we’re out of the Westminster cesspit the better.

Absolutely disgusting should have been sacked for that alone.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/dannyshawnews/status/1489285762294206470?s=21


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Willie Rennie will be on the case.

[hibsbollah]

So the fact you clearly stated nobody was prosecuted for Ian Tomlinson’s death is now a fact :confused: or the time delay by DPP to charge is that the fact where nobody was prosecuted…

You jumped all over my post in your usual aggressive way, because I neglected to add ‘initially’. Starmer FAILED to prosecute, until his arms were twisted by events, that’s the facts.

[Berwickhibby]

You jumped all over my post in your usual aggressive way, because I neglected to add ‘initially’. Starmer FAILED to prosecute, until his arms were twisted by events, that’s the facts.

No I jumped on your post as you posted a falsehood

[hibsbollah]

No I jumped on your post as you posted a falsehood

Aye ok.

[ronaldo7]

Jack Doyle, comms chief at No10 has resigned. They're all jumping ship.

[Berwickhibby]

Aye ok.

Failure to prosecute anyone for the killings of De Menezes or Ian Tomlinson is also on his permanent record though, for which he’s never provided a decent explanation. This is your quote, I imagine everyone who read it will assume you are saying nobody was prosecuted for those 2 deaths which was not true.

[Bostonhibby]

Jack Doyle, comms chief at No10 has resigned. They're all jumping ship.Rats deserting a sinking ship?

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was probably planning to throw them under the bus as fall guys for partygate so you could say the recent resignations are outfoxing him.

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[mayo hibee]

Jack Doyle, comms chief at No10 has resigned. They're all jumping ship.

Went because "he was always going to do two years". The one earlier used the Saville thing as the excuse. Reality is they're all just deserting the sinking ship but pretending otherwise.

[hibsbollah]

Failure to prosecute anyone for the killings of De Menezes or Ian Tomlinson is also on his permanent record though, for which he’s never provided a decent explanation. This is your quote, I imagine everyone who read it will assume you are saying nobody was prosecuted for those 2 deaths which was not true.

But nobody was convicted of those two deaths.
One person was prosecuted, eventually, after 13 months delay, after over a years delay and obstruction.
In the other case, no one was prosecuted or convicted.

I’m glad you keep wanting to talk about it, because it’s disgraceful that innocent people keep getting killed by the Met, institutionally racist AND corrupt, fast becoming the laughing stock of world policing :wink:

[grunt]

Bit of light relief from #PartyGate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKshPBcXsAIXh-e?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bostonhibby]

Bit of light relief from #PartyGate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKshPBcXsAIXh-e?format=jpg&name=mediumLarry is surely a serious contender for next leader of the party?
Political and social.

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