Tories are still lying *******s

[Hiber-nation]

Govt Minister Kevin Hollinrake on BBC saying he doesn't know Hester but he isn't a racist and he'd happily accept another 10 mil from him.

So Tory in every way imaginable.

[Kato]

Govt Minister Kevin Hollinrake on BBC saying he doesn't know Hester but he isn't a racist and he'd happily accept another 10 mil from him.

So Tory in every way imaginable.If Adolf Hitler flew into town they'd send a limousine anyway.

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[Ozyhibby]

If Adolf Hitler flew into town they'd send a limousine anyway.

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PMQ’s today will be important. If Starmer hits him hard then the pressure to pay back will increase massively. If they don’t pay it back then the other parties will legitimately be able to label them a racist party. The Tories can’t allow that to happen.


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[overdrive]

Govt Minister Kevin Hollinrake on BBC saying he doesn't know Hester but he isn't a racist and he'd happily accept another 10 mil from him.

So Tory in every way imaginable.

He also said:

“If you say racist things and don’t apologise for them that makes you racist but if you say something racist and then apologise that’s a different thing I think."

So you can say racist things but if you say "sorry" then you aren't racist. Hmm OK.

[lapsedhibee]

He also said:

“If you say racist things and don’t apologise for them that makes you racist but if you say something racist and then apologise that’s a different thing I think."

So you can say racist things but if you say "sorry" then you aren't racist. Hmm OK.

Same with all crime really. If you hand back your CBE by way of apology, for instance, then there's absolutely no need to face charges for the sickening crimes you've committed against postmasters.

[Kato]

He also said:

“If you say racist things and don’t apologise for them that makes you racist but if you say something racist and then apologise that’s a different thing I think."

So you can say racist things but if you say "sorry" then you aren't racist. Hmm OK.He only apologised because it became public.

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[Kato]

Same with all crime really. If you hand back your CBE by way of apology, for instance, then there's absolutely no need to face charges for the sickening crimes you've committed against postmasters.'natch

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[Bostonhibby]

He also said:

“If you say racist things and don’t apologise for them that makes you racist but if you say something racist and then apologise that’s a different thing I think."

So you can say racist things but if you say "sorry" then you aren't racist. Hmm OK.Nothing about the motivation to actually "apologise" or the timing of it bearing in mind when the remark was made.

All about attempting to save face, way too late and way too insincere.

Once again the nasty party mask slips and you see how they really think and behave with each other.

Is this the sort of character that we should have benefitting from multi million pound government contracts?

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[Ozyhibby]

Speaker refuses Dianne Abbot a question.


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[Bristolhibby]

He also said:

“If you say racist things and don’t apologise for them that makes you racist but if you say something racist and then apologise that’s a different thing I think."

So you can say racist things but if you say "sorry" then you aren't racist. Hmm OK.

That’s what I was scratching my head about.

So I can say a hate crime but as long as I say sorry that’s alright?

How about murdering someone, if I’m sorry I didn’t that’s OK?

Absolute nonsense from the Tories. They have to give that money back or they are the racist party.

J

[Ozyhibby]

That’s what I was scratching my head about.

So I can say a hate crime but as long as I say sorry that’s alright?

How about murdering someone, if I’m sorry I didn’t that’s OK?

Absolute nonsense from the Tories. They have to give that money back or they are the racist party.

J

To be fair, he hasn’t murdered someone. Just said he would like to see her murdered. People are so touchy.[emoji23]


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[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Speaker refuses Dianne Abbot a question.


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He's done that on purpose, so as not to rile the government benches and any credibility left after the Gaza debate debacle has now surely evaporated. It's time for him to stand down, or at least indicate that he will not seek the role of speaker after the next election.

[Just Alf]

Looking at Diane Abbot makes you want to hate all black woman (.... and have them shot).....


It's either racist because it's "just" black woman,
OR
it's misogynistic because it's "just" women

Or am I missing something?

[Ozyhibby]

He's done that on purpose, so as not to rile the government benches and any credibility left after the Gaza debate debacle has now surely evaporated. It's time for him to stand down, or at least indicate that he will not seek the role of speaker after the next election.

Hoyle silenced her in favour of a load of white men speaking on her behalf.


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[Bostonhibby]

Speaker refuses Dianne Abbot a question.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNasties have him where they want him, pretty ineffective regardless.

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[grunt]

Lying selfish Tory ****ers.

https://x.com/hewitson10/status/1767994000911294878?s=20


The reason for going long might be because younger MPs have ran up big debts & they need a few more months salary.

[marinello59]

Speaker refuses Dianne Abbot a question.


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That was an absolute disgrace.

[Bostonhibby]

Good to see Gove naming hate groups/terrorist organisations etc. Seems to have missed the Hesterites and their attitude to women/black people.

Shame, could have blocked their funding to the nasty party


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[Berwickhibby]

If Adolf Hitler flew into town they'd send a limousine anyway.

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White man in Hammersmith Palis….brilliant track

[MKHIBEE]

Good to see Gove naming hate groups/terrorist organisations etc. Seems to have missed the Hesterites and their attitude to women/black people.

Shame, could have blocked their funding to the nasty party


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Missed the Nasty Party altogether

[MKHIBEE]

Good to see Gove naming hate groups/terrorist organisations etc. Seems to have missed the Hesterites and their attitude to women/black people.

Shame, could have blocked their funding to the nasty party


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Missed the Nasty Party altogether

[Bostonhibby]

Missed the Nasty Party altogetherDonations bring immunity, look at all the wealthy Russians still enjoying their stay in Kensington and belgravia etc....

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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/peterstefanovi2/status/1768264791309553826?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Painful watching.


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[Bostonhibby]

https://x.com/peterstefanovi2/status/1768264791309553826?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Painful watching.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkJeez, someone needs to disconnect the batteries.

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[grunt]

James Heappey resigns as Armed Forces Minister and will not stand at next election.

Now 62 Tory MPs declining to stand next time round.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GItgQfnX0AAUHwC?format=jpg&name=medium

[Stairway 2 7]

James Heappey resigns as Armed Forces Minister and will not stand at next election.

Now 62 Tory MPs declining to stand next time round.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GItgQfnX0AAUHwC?format=jpg&name=medium

Rumours is over 100 will go before the next election, which is annoying because I wanted to watch them on election night, cowards

[lapsedhibee]

Rumours is over 100 will go before the next election, which is annoying because I wanted to watch them on election night, cowards

They're not so much being cowards as being perfectly rational. What's the point of being a Tory MP if you're not in government and able to hand out whopping contracts to your chums? None.

[Kato]

They're not so much being cowards as being perfectly rational. What's the point of being a Tory MP if you're not in government and able to hand out whopping contracts to your chums? None.Exactly. Grift over. Move onto next grift.

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[silverhibee]

Looking at Diane Abbot makes you want to hate all black woman (.... and have them shot).....


It's either racist because it's "just" black woman,
OR
it's misogynistic because it's "just" women

Or am I missing something?

I’m missing the bit where he has not been arrested yet.

[lapsedhibee]

I’m missing the bit where he has not been arrested yet.

Keep up. You can't be guilty of any offence if you admit you were rude.

[Jack]

Keep up. You can't be guilty of any offence if you admit you were rude and pay £15m to the tory party.

Fixed that for you.

[Bostonhibby]

Here's me thinking Bozo was in Venezuela telling them how to run a country for entirely altruistic reasons.

https://x.com/campbellclaret/status/1768988470700032261?t=5brP_HzAlesq4Xs8EB9oDQ&s=08

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[cabbageandribs1875]

very clever :greengrin

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/432080148_7383973374992763_5138993920501800888_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=ysY2Pyv-LrgAX81UTZ9&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfDPIfvIH9LLwtpKz_Sn2kQ9GswF9BcLZMlt_cvSAR4D rA&oe=65FB0F32

[Bostonhibby]

very clever :greengrin

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/432080148_7383973374992763_5138993920501800888_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=ysY2Pyv-LrgAX81UTZ9&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfDPIfvIH9LLwtpKz_Sn2kQ9GswF9BcLZMlt_cvSAR4D rA&oe=65FB0F32See once this poet laureate works out what morals are, the world is his lobster.

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[MKHIBEE]

very clever :greengrin

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/432080148_7383973374992763_5138993920501800888_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=ysY2Pyv-LrgAX81UTZ9&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfDPIfvIH9LLwtpKz_Sn2kQ9GswF9BcLZMlt_cvSAR4D rA&oe=65FB0F32

What a load of pish

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

What a load of pish

If it had started, There was an old racist called Lee, it would have had a greater impact in terms of hitting the required audience.

[McD]

What a load of pish



Think you may have missed the hidden message

[JimBHibees]

Think you may have missed the hidden message

Or not so hidden :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

If it had started, There was an old racist called Lee, it would have had a greater impact in terms of hitting the required audience.

:tsk tsk: No, because then his name would have to have been Tee.

[MKHIBEE]

Think you may have missed the hidden message

I have caught up now

[Jack]

Another tory donator, at least £100,000, in trouble with the law, this time in the USA.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68599243

[Kato]

Another tory donator, at least £100,000, in trouble with the law, this time in the USA.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68599243"Mr Lynch co-founded Autonomy in 1996.

It grew to become one of the UK's top 100 public companies, known for software that could extract useful information from "unstructured" sources such as phone calls, emails or video."

The poor sneaky snide billionaire had sleepless nights, boo and hoo.

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[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJWfBA2WAAAV0ui?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJWnlpjWIAA93Lm?format=jpg&name=large

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJYBB9BW8AA-sX6?format=jpg&name=medium

[MKHIBEE]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJYBB9BW8AA-sX6?format=jpg&name=medium

Someone should tell her not to talk about things she doesn’t understand. It doesn’t leave much I know but…………

[grunt]

Someone should tell her not to talk about things she doesn’t understand. It doesn’t leave much I know but…………
Apparently this is fake news. I'll admit I was taken in by it.

[MKHIBEE]

Apparently this is fake news. I'll admit I was taken in by it.

Fair enough. My post still applies though.

[Bostonhibby]

Fair enough. My post still applies though.Cheese and pork markets are her speciality, no wonder we "elected" her PM.

Actually with hindsight the fake news stuff sounds far more authoritative than her general waffle about pork / cheese.



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[Jack]

Apparently this is fake news. I'll admit I was taken in by it.

To be fair she probably regrets not saying it.

[grunt]

A lying Tory social media story in three parts.

Part 1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJh7L4YXIAY6lji?format=jpg&name=medium

Part 2

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJh7L4hXIAMzIZ4?format=jpg&name=large

Part 3

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJh7L4ZXIAMSI-c?format=jpg&name=medium

[wookie70]

Being completely unaware of how the majority of the UK population lives, being think and only having empathy for those like them clearly runs in the family. https://twitter.com/gazberto/status/1772260782111064445

[grunt]

A lying Tory social media story in three parts.
I can't quite bring myself to believe that the Tories posted this, so watch it with a degree of scepticism.
The version currently posted on the @Conservatives Twitter feed is slightly different to this one.
This has either been faked by someone, or the Tories replaced it when they realised how bat**** the first version was.

You decide.

https://x.com/HectorTheHog/status/1772315905596244200?s=20

[grunt]

Are we going to have to suffer this **** of the rest of 2024?

https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1772244255668384020?s=20

[Jack]

You would think with all their dirty money they could afford a tick, particularly a blue one, on their account.

[Just Alf]

I can't quite bring myself to believe that the Tories posted this, so watch it with a degree of scepticism.
The version currently posted on the @Conservatives Twitter feed is slightly different to this one.
This has either been faked by someone, or the Tories replaced it when they realised how bat**** the first version was.

You decide.

https://x.com/HectorTheHog/status/1772315905596244200?s=20Since been confirmed that it was genuine.

The filter in their minds on what's "the right thing to do or not" seems switched off at all levels .

Best of it is, according to the stats in the Guardian today London is performing slightly better than the rest of the country, so even the premise of their advert is wrong

[cabbageandribs1875]

the ever caring Tory party
https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/433696057_10225096821830758_488994800177685480_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=Q8nNZ9h_jO8AX9O7qJR&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfBZaCOMVvbojaz6ZsGQgqGaW8TsKj-GDeFeIEn6HLI1tw&oe=6607BD30

[MKHIBEE]

the ever caring Tory party
https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/433696057_10225096821830758_488994800177685480_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=Q8nNZ9h_jO8AX9O7qJR&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfBZaCOMVvbojaz6ZsGQgqGaW8TsKj-GDeFeIEn6HLI1tw&oe=6607BD30

Their true colours bring shown.

[MKHIBEE]

Being completely unaware of how the majority of the UK population lives, being think and only having empathy for those like them clearly runs in the family. https://twitter.com/gazberto/status/1772260782111064445
Perhaps a Go Fund me page might be appropriate? 1p from anyone who cares?

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/two-ministers-quit-in-double-blow-to-rishi-sunak

2 cabinet ministers quit.

[grunt]

They're just taking the piss now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJnv2EaXIAA_M8Y?format=jpg&name=medium

[Stairway 2 7]

They're just taking the piss now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJnv2EaXIAA_M8Y?format=jpg&name=medium

Wtf. Do they need to have racist mutts as deputy chairman now or something. Bookies have him at under 10% chance of winning his seat with labour just under 90%, so why are they picking someone they must know is getting booted

[Ozyhibby]

Wtf. Do they need to have racist mutts as deputy chairman now or something. Bookies have him at under 10% chance of winning his seat with labour just under 90%, so why are they picking someone they must know is getting booted

It’s possible that a lot of Tory mp’s are turning down jobs?


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[Stairway 2 7]

It’s possible that a lot of Tory mp’s are turning down jobs?


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Never thought about that. Apparently 100 have indicated they are jumping. It's horrendous that these cowardly crooks will jump into jobs after years of serving their friends

[cabbageandribs1875]

Mmmm this is trending on Twitter at the moment.... what's going on :confused:




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(6) The Irish News on X: "DUP leader Jeffrey Donaldson’s Twitter and other social media accounts unavailable https://t.co/e31Fsh9KLo" / X (https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/1773658984257396862)

(6) Emma DeSouza on X: "DUP leader Jeffrey Donaldson deletes all his social media accounts. And here I thought it was going to be a quiet Easter weekend." / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/EmmaCDeSouza/status/1773652625264705915)

[Stairway 2 7]

Jesus this is the second time I've agreed with nutter and horrible Victorian tory JRM. I need a wash with carbolic soap. Only if he ended the tweet, and then it should be nationalised

Jacob Rees-Mogg
@Jacob_Rees_Mogg
Thames Water ought to be allowed to go bankrupt. It would continue to be run by an administrator, the shareholders would lose their equity but they took too much cash out so deserve no sympathy and the bond holders would face a partial loss. This is capitalism, it won’t affect the water supply

[Bostonhibby]

Nasty party being the nasty party, couple of interesting knighthoods here. Especially when we need less not more.

https://x.com/BladeoftheS/status/1773655862814396742?t=tv-yi28KhL0VXcT9TpIyfw&s=08

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[Ozyhibby]

Jesus this is the second time I've agreed with nutter and horrible Victorian tory JRM. I need a wash with carbolic soap. Only if he ended the tweet, and then it should be nationalised

Jacob Rees-Mogg
@Jacob_Rees_Mogg
Thames Water ought to be allowed to go bankrupt. It would continue to be run by an administrator, the shareholders would lose their equity but they took too much cash out so deserve no sympathy and the bond holders would face a partial loss. This is capitalism, it won’t affect the water supply

He is 100% correct.


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[Jack]

Nasty party being the nasty party, couple of interesting knighthoods here. Especially when we need less not more.

https://x.com/BladeoftheS/status/1773655862814396742?t=tv-yi28KhL0VXcT9TpIyfw&s=08

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And the price of a knighthood seems to have gone up from a £3m donation to the nasty party to £5m.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68686662

[Bostonhibby]

And the price of a knighthood seems to have gone up from a £3m donation to the nasty party to £5m.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68686662Exactly. £5m going rate for knighthood £10m for seat in house of Lords.

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[Pagan Hibernia]

Mmmm this is trending on Twitter at the moment.... what's going on :confused:




https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/434090730_7436161316440635_29538890909431116_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=mmvhIhT4dDcAX8okK0Y&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfAZHt3N4RkvouWzqU1L8J2MhxaRfo_zz_hMCBTYs51U TQ&oe=660C686D







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(6) The Irish News on X: "DUP leader Jeffrey Donaldson’s Twitter and other social media accounts unavailable https://t.co/e31Fsh9KLo" / X (https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/1773658984257396862)

(6) Emma DeSouza on X: "DUP leader Jeffrey Donaldson deletes all his social media accounts. And here I thought it was going to be a quiet Easter weekend." / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/EmmaCDeSouza/status/1773652625264705915)

Charged and has now stood down as party leader.

Things go from bad to worse for unionism in NI

[Ozyhibby]

Exactly. £5m going rate for knighthood £10m for seat in house of Lords.

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You would think the price would be falling now they know Labour are about to abolish the Lords? It’s almost like they don’t believe them?

[Bostonhibby]

You would think the price would be falling now they know Labour are about to abolish the Lords? It’s almost like they don’t believe them?I don't believe them either on the abolition point.

I suppose the cost has to go up in these inflationary times. Or maybe it's just honours for agreed donations of an agreed percentage of the generous government contracts these loyal tory supporters always seem to be given?

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[DaveF]

Mmmm this is trending on Twitter at the moment.... what's going on :confused:




https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/434090730_7436161316440635_29538890909431116_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=mmvhIhT4dDcAX8okK0Y&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfAZHt3N4RkvouWzqU1L8J2MhxaRfo_zz_hMCBTYs51U TQ&oe=660C686D







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(6) The Irish News on X: "DUP leader Jeffrey Donaldson’s Twitter and other social media accounts unavailable https://t.co/e31Fsh9KLo" / X (https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/1773658984257396862)

(6) Emma DeSouza on X: "DUP leader Jeffrey Donaldson deletes all his social media accounts. And here I thought it was going to be a quiet Easter weekend." / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/EmmaCDeSouza/status/1773652625264705915)

Church going, family values first, Jeffrey Donaldson?

[Ozyhibby]

Church going, family values first, Jeffrey Donaldson?

Love how they trot out the ‘historical nature’ as if that means it didn’t happen or that it’s ok.[emoji35]


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[Hibernia&Alba]

They're just taking the piss now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJnv2EaXIAA_M8Y?format=jpg&name=medium

This ******* guy. Just the sight of his coupon gets me angry,

[grunt]

Well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJ228ErXAAAxjF8?format=jpg&name=medium

[tamig]

Well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJ228ErXAAAxjF8?format=jpg&name=medium

How could “the Church” block the bill anyway?

[grunt]

How could “the Church” block the bill anyway?There are 25 Bishops in the House of Lords. They may not be able to stop the Bill but the least I might have expected would be for them to take a moral stand against it. As if I wasn't disenchanted enough with the Church already.

[Bostonhibby]

Well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJ228ErXAAAxjF8?format=jpg&name=mediumWhen it comes right down to it Welby isn't supping too far from the Nasty party trough IMO.

A bit of an ambiguous character.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJ228ErXAAAxjF8?format=jpg&name=medium

Shameful, IMO, but I would expect some of the Anglican bishops in the Lords to oppose it. Also, who has advocated for ‘open borders’? A straw man argument there.

[Stairway 2 7]

Bizarre that the church should have an opinion that is listened to in modern politics or any seats in the second chamber

[Ozyhibby]

Bizarre that the church should have an opinion that is listened to in modern politics or any seats in the second chamber

Everything about our second chamber is bizarre. It should be abolished.


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[Bostonhibby]

Everything about our second chamber is bizarre. It should be abolished.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSever their expenses and allowances overnight, that'll see a huge drop in numbers, then just turn the building into a museum and ban the rest from entering unless they pay for a tour.

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[Northernhibee]

Everything about our second chamber is bizarre. It should be abolished.


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It’s been the only buffer that stopped the worst of the Tory Brexit and the Rwanda plan sailing through government. In a FPTP system it’s shown its worth, even with the Tories pumping it full of their cronies.


Would much rather have a PR system though.

[Ozyhibby]

It’s been the only buffer that stopped the worst of the Tory Brexit and the Rwanda plan sailing through government. In a FPTP system it’s shown its worth, even with the Tories pumping it full of their cronies.


Would much rather have a PR system though.

There is an argument for a second chamber. Just not one for the House of Lords. Hoping for the benevolence of Lords is no way to run a country.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Survation huge poll of 15k has the tories on double figures of MP's mad if even close to this

Lab 468
Con 98
SNP 41
LD 22

[Callum_62]

Survation huge poll of 15k has the tories on double figures of MP's mad if even close to this

Lab 468
Con 98
SNP 41
LD 2241 for the SNP?

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[Ozyhibby]

41 for the SNP?

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Probably Scottish sub sample so too hard to really tell?


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[Ozyhibby]

Probably Scottish sub sample so too hard to really tell?


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Actually scratch that. Looks like it was a massive poll by Survation. The last time one of these polls was conducted it was also positive for the SNP. I have no idea if they are more accurate but most commentators think they are.


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[Andy Bee]

Jeez, Reform Party results seem to be omitted but never the less it looks like a 3 figure majority for Starmer. Onto the more serious question, do you need planning permission for a fallout shelter? :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh dear, don't hold back Ticey

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKAHGa_WsAAc60j?format=jpg&name=large

[Bostonhibby]

oh dear, don't hold back Ticey

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKAHGa_WsAAc60j?format=jpg&name=largeRats in a sack springs to mind. Hopefully they tear each other apart.

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[Hiber-nation]

Rats in a sack springs to mind. Hopefully they tear each other apart.

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Looks like 30p Lee has spilled a few cans of beans to Tice.

Rats in a sack alright.

[Bostonhibby]

Looks like 30p Lee has spilled a few cans of beans to Tice.

Rats in a sack alright.Will probably do the same to Tice when he decides to move on again when he discovers he can make more cash and get more attention as a liberal Democrat, or whatever other party he hasn't previously joined then got the boot from.

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[Pagan Hibernia]

Survation huge poll of 15k has the tories on double figures of MP's mad if even close to this

Lab 468
Con 98
SNP 41
LD 22

That would be incredible. Far worse than their 1997 annihilation

[Hibernia&Alba]

The nasty party indeed:


https://youtu.be/eHAr3Hz2AEk?si=tez3gQeyz8vKDNUz

[Hibernia&Alba]

Survation huge poll of 15k has the tories on double figures of MP's mad if even close to this

Lab 468
Con 98
SNP 41
LD 22

That would be wonderful.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Rats in a sack springs to mind. Hopefully they tear each other apart.

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wonder if Boris will re-surface again in time for the election

[Stairway 2 7]

Massive yougov poll of almost 19 thousand people. All you can say for the tories is it isn't as bad as last week's Times large poll

YouGov
New YouGov MRP – Labour set to win more than 400 seats

Labour: 403 (+201 since GE2019)
Conservatives: 155 (-210)
Lib Dems: 49 (+38)
SNP: 19 (-29)
Plaid: 4 (=)
Greens: 1 (=)
Reform UK: 0 (=)

[Ozyhibby]

Massive yougov poll of almost 19 thousand people. All you can say for the tories is it isn't as bad as last week's Times large poll

YouGov
New YouGov MRP – Labour set to win more than 400 seats

Labour: 403 (+201 since GE2019)
Conservatives: 155 (-210)
Lib Dems: 49 (+38)
SNP: 19 (-29)
Plaid: 4 (=)
Greens: 1 (=)
Reform UK: 0 (=)

I think they will all have trouble measuring Reforms likely impact.


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[Stairway 2 7]

I think they will all have trouble measuring Reforms likely impact.


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I don't think reform will do much, the majority of their voters say in polls they will stay at home, I don't think they have done much in the byelections. I expect both SNP andTories to have a bit more than this . This is what yougov say about reform

YouGov
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1h
According to our new MRP, Reform UK come in second place in 36 seats, but aren’t close to winning any of them.

Their highest vote share is in Barnsley North and also Hartlepool (27% in both cases) – but in both seats Labour leads on 48% of the vote

[Kato]

Where do you start with this?

https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1775882749921911191?t=QCjQ7J2qjPmV8yAm0gk_gQ&s=19

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[grunt]

Where do you start with this?

https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1775882749921911191?t=QCjQ7J2qjPmV8yAm0gk_gQ&s=19

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Was just going to post it myself. It's bizarre.

Also, why do they have the England football team on to demonstrate the strength of the UK?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKU2_1GawAAF5_7?format=jpg&name=large

[Stairway 2 7]

It's the soft power rankings list, we're pretty much always second and nowt to do with the Tories, our hopeless economy on the other hand is

[Bostonhibby]

Was just going to post it myself. It's bizarre.

Also, why do they have the England football team on to demonstrate the strength of the UK?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKU2_1GawAAF5_7?format=jpg&name=largeWow, the benchmark must be really low, our road surfaces are riddled with so many potholes we must be a target for all their Russian pals missiles and every time they flush their toilet in Belgravia some poor surfer in Cornwall gets a fortnight in hospital.

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[lapsedhibee]

Where do you start with this?

https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1775882749921911191?t=QCjQ7J2qjPmV8yAm0gk_gQ&s=19

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Further down that thread Sunak tweets about standing together with NATO and states confidently that WE WILL NOT WAIVER. Shouldn't it be a requirement for a prime minister, even an unelected spoof like Sunak, that he can do English: spelling, nouns'n'verbs, that sort of stuff? :dunno:

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1775773353963290975

Rishi Sunak
@RishiSunak
Much has changed in 75 years, but
@NATO
has been a constant – standing as the bedrock of our freedom and security.

Today we renew our historic pledge to the Alliance.

We stand together. We will not waiver. Because #WeAreNATO

[Jones28]

Was just going to post it myself. It's bizarre.

Also, why do they have the England football team on to demonstrate the strength of the UK?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKU2_1GawAAF5_7?format=jpg&name=large

It looks like some nutter has made that on photoshop in their mums basement.

[Ozyhibby]

Where do you start with this?

https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1775882749921911191?t=QCjQ7J2qjPmV8yAm0gk_gQ&s=19

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So much for the Royal family being politically neutral. And people still believe the UK is a democracy. Disgusting.


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[Hiber-nation]

Tory MP William Wragg handed over MPs' phone numbers to someone he met on Grindr. https://news.sky.com/story/tory-william-wragg-admits-giving-mps-personal-phone-numbers-to-someone-he-met-on-dating-app-13108081

I'm sure Wragg is part of the Tories "Common Sense Group"...

[grunt]

Lying Tories lying in London Mayoral campaign. Who could've guessed the lying Tories would lie?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKZtT-6XYAA_Noq?format=jpg&name=medium

[Hiber-nation]

Lying Tories lying in London Mayoral campaign. Who could've guessed the lying Tories would lie?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKZtT-6XYAA_Noq?format=jpg&name=medium

The worse the polls look the more we lie.

Has someone in Tory HQ got a huge bet on Labour hitting 450 seats?

[grunt]

The worse the polls look the more we lie.

Has someone in Tory HQ got a huge bet on Labour hitting 450 seats?
It looks like it! Although the picture above is about the London mayoral election.

[Hiber-nation]

It looks like it! Although the picture above is about the London mayoral election.

Yeah I know but the line to take (or lie to take) will be coming from HQ I'd assume.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/434428542_7487357981320968_3168663408207934446_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=VJu85j9qBhEAb6OFraf&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfAKjL2gWb_pcvzsjZBXbl6-WecQHAsCbTXeOjqYnwLKdw&oe=661C3C94

[grunt]

Today the lying Tories have increased the Minimum Income Requirement for UK citizens to sponsor people to join them from abroad from £18,600 to £29,000. It will rise two more times to £38,700 in 2025.

This Tory Government is ruining the country. We need to vote them out as soon as we can.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/family-visa-uk-salary-change-increase-threshold-home-office-james-cleverly-b1150671.html

[Berwickhibby]

Today the lying Tories have increased the Minimum Income Requirement for UK citizens to sponsor people to join them from abroad from £18,600 to £29,000. It will rise two more times to £38,700 in 2025.

This Tory Government is ruining the country. We need to vote them out as soon as we can.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/family-visa-uk-salary-change-increase-threshold-home-office-james-cleverly-b1150671.html

They should never have been voted in IMHO

[JimBHibees]

Today the lying Tories have increased the Minimum Income Requirement for UK citizens to sponsor people to join them from abroad from £18,600 to £29,000. It will rise two more times to £38,700 in 2025.

This Tory Government is ruining the country. We need to vote them out as soon as we can.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/family-visa-uk-salary-change-increase-threshold-home-office-james-cleverly-b1150671.html

Incredible obviously part of their campaign to undermine the nhs

[Lendo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68790427

This is wild. Nearly £40,000 of tax payer money to pay for her libel legal bill. Yet a Scottish politician pays back the £11k and resigns all because his kids accidentally run up data charges and it’s still scandal six months later

[Berwickhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68790427

This is wild. Nearly £40,000 of tax payer money to pay for her libel legal bill. Yet a Scottish politician pays back the £11k and resigns all because his kids accidentally run up data charges and it’s still scandal six months later

Only because he got caught…used an official iPad to watch Celtic TV and then claimed for the roaming costs as expenses. Then Lied about it. Both of them should be gone and Donlan should be made to pay her own legal costs.

[grunt]

Truss on learning of the death of the Queen, her immediate thought, "Why me?"
That's right Liz, why you?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLB3IKrWQAAXgvG?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

Our one time Home Secretary Suella Braverman is a keynote speaker at a meeting of Far Right leaders in Brussels next week alongside Viktor Orban. Also expected to take the stage:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLCzOorXAAAQSyx?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/13/suella-braverman-brussels-convention-viktor-orban

[MKHIBEE]

Our one time Home Secretary Suella Braverman is a keynote speaker at a meeting of Far Right leaders in Brussels next week alongside Viktor Orban. Also expected to take the stage:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLCzOorXAAAQSyx?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/13/suella-braverman-brussels-convention-viktor-orban

She needs to be careful she is not seen as too right wing for such company

[grunt]

Today's Tory Scandal

https://goodlawproject.org/broker-bought-7-25m-manor-house-weeks-after-landing-vip-lane-contracts/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Investigation&utm_medium=Social


Two contracts worth £258m to supply gowns and safety goggles were enough for the owner of a dog food business to move into a £7.25m stately home.

PPE contract obtained by lobbying Lord Agnew and Matt Hancock.

Over £106m worth of PPE supplied by Worldlink Resources was not able to be used in a medical setting.

These people need to be in prison.

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLHmo4lWAAAWYu7?format=jpg&name=medium

[McD]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLHmo4lWAAAWYu7?format=jpg&name=medium



This is totally unrealistic… there’s no way that’s enough for a tory MP to get off their arse and do something for someone else :greengrin

[MKHIBEE]

Today's Tory Scandal

https://goodlawproject.org/broker-bought-7-25m-manor-house-weeks-after-landing-vip-lane-contracts/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Investigation&utm_medium=Social



These people need to be in prison.

They will probably get knighthoods

[MKHIBEE]

This is totally unrealistic… there’s no way that’s enough for a tory MP to get off their arse and do something for someone else :greengrin

Would be enough for some

[grunt]

It seems that the UK has taken sides in a war. With no debate in Parliament. ****ing Tory liars.

[Stairway 2 7]

It seems that the UK has taken sides in a war. With no debate in Parliament. ****ing Tory liars.

We don't need a debate to shoot down cruise missles that are going to strike within 30 minutes how would that work. No party would object to us shooting missles down Stephen Flynn is right we should condem both sides

@StephenFlynnSNP
·
Just as we rightly hold Israel to account for their actions, so too must we stand resolute in condemning this Iranian attack.

It should be clear to all that regional de-escalation must be our shared objective, and at the bedrock of that lies an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.

[Moulin Yarns]

We don't need a debate to shoot down cruise missles that are going to strike within 30 minutes how would that work. No party would object to us shooting missles down Stephen Flynn is right we should condem both sides

@StephenFlynnSNP
·
Just as we rightly hold Israel to account for their actions, so too must we stand resolute in condemning this Iranian attack.

It should be clear to all that regional de-escalation must be our shared objective, and at the bedrock of that lies an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.

OK, question, why did the UK/RAF not defend Ukraine in the same way by shooting down missiles and drones from Russia??

[Stairway 2 7]

OK, question, why did the UK/RAF not defend Ukraine in the same way by shooting down missiles and drones from Russia??

Because cowardly appeasement to Putin. Its shocking that they don't. The same appeasement that means we are only sending 1970s equipment to Ukraine and in small numbers. We have spent two years sending 1970 f16 fighter jets not even modern f35s. US says jets aren't that important yet last night they were used to shoot down everything so that's clearly nonsense.

Biden has been trying to de escalate all along because the hollow threat of nuclear bombs. I can see why Iran wants the bomb as we would probably then try to appease them too

[Jack]

OK, question, why did the UK/RAF not defend Ukraine in the same way by shooting down missiles and drones from Russia??

The amount of money Russians have poured into the tory party is staggering ... and they own huge amounts of property in the south east of England.

I think that's probably the answer 🤔

[grunt]

Well well ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLR2q4VWEAAsYfR?format=jpg&name=medium

[Hiber-nation]

Well well ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLR2q4VWEAAsYfR?format=jpg&name=medium

Well done. He's actually been a Labour supporter for a few years now I think.

[Bostonhibby]

Well well ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLR2q4VWEAAsYfR?format=jpg&name=mediumUsed to serve constituency right next to mine's. Fair to say he was a bit of a Tory with a conscience. Never going to last

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[cabbageandribs1875]

awful the practise had to release this statement, irresponsible little **** Bowie

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLTfD8RXwAAyMNQ?format=jpg&name=large

[JimBHibees]

awful the practise had to release this statement, irresponsible little **** Bowie

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLTfD8RXwAAyMNQ?format=jpg&name=large

That is a shocker

[Lendo]

awful the practise had to release this statement, irresponsible little **** Bowie

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLTfD8RXwAAyMNQ?format=jpg&name=large

Whats the context behind this?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Whats the context behind this?


just little Bowie trying to whip up some extra votes in this election year with an irresponsible lie in a campaign leaflet, constituents quire rightly panicking they were losing a service



https://www.aberdeenlive.news/news/aberdeen-news/aberdeenshire-mp-apologises-after-leaflet-9229951

[MKHIBEE]

just little Bowie trying to whip up some extra votes in this election year with an irresponsible lie in a campaign leaflet, constituents quire rightly panicking they were losing a service



https://www.aberdeenlive.news/news/aberdeen-news/aberdeenshire-mp-apologises-after-leaflet-9229951


No doubt there will be many more examples of such skulduggery

[Bostonhibby]

Whats the context behind this?Nasties being nasty

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[Hiber-nation]

No doubt there will be many more examples of such skulduggery

Their policy seems to be "ach well it's worth a try".

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/David__Osland/status/1780861552712642746?t=MsVIme5EFDih6hKiiYbhXA&s=08

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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/David__Osland/status/1780861552712642746?t=MsVIme5EFDih6hKiiYbhXA&s=08

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalkhttps://youtu.be/wW_U4koBeA4?si=FQO4VEeBJUC1kx3s


Normal.

He must be one of those "incredibly courageous" Tory Party types.

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[Northernhibee]

Lowest Tory polling in IpsosUK history…

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 44% (-3)
CON: 19% (-1)
REF: 13% (+5)
LDM: 9% (-)
GRN: 9% (+1)

This would leave the Tories in severe danger of only being the third largest party.

[Bostonhibby]

https://youtu.be/wW_U4koBeA4?si=FQO4VEeBJUC1kx3s

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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/David__Osland/status/1780861552712642746?t=MsVIme5EFDih6hKiiYbhXA&s=08

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The whole story is insane, getting donations to pay "bad men", getting a neighbours dog drunk! The party knew for 3 months but only acted because the story came out.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/28f948c4-70b5-4b29-a094-ea5ccfc2a53b?shareToken=5c4a6c70a61b4815ab8dc3e3c9 26d968

[Bostonhibby]

The whole story is insane, getting donations to pay "bad men", getting a neighbours dog drunk! The party knew for 3 months but only acted because the story came out.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/28f948c4-70b5-4b29-a094-ea5ccfc2a53b?shareToken=5c4a6c70a61b4815ab8dc3e3c9 26d968Easy to contain stuff like this for a while when you have a Nasty right wing press

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[Ozyhibby]

Ah, but Angela Rayner once sold a house and there might be as much as £3000 involved if any mud can be made to stick.

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I’d have more sympathy for Labour if they hadn’t made such a big deal of operation branchform. But since they have, it serves them right and she should stand down.
The main defence now that they are putting up is that it was ten years ago and she is working class. That’s no excuse for dodging taxes. She should be gone.


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[Bostonhibby]

I’d have more sympathy for Labour if they hadn’t made such a big deal of operation branchform. But since they have, it serves them right and she should stand down.
The main defence now that they are putting up is that it was ten years ago and she is working class. That’s no excuse for dodging taxes. She should be gone.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIf that's what she did and the expert advice she got suggests she was behaving like a tory I agree.

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[lapsedhibee]

I’d have more sympathy for Labour if they hadn’t made such a big deal of operation branchform. But since they have, it serves them right and she should stand down.
The main defence now that they are putting up is that it was ten years ago and she is working class. That’s no excuse for dodging taxes. She should be gone.


Has it been established that she did dodge tax? The Tory MP who reported her to the polis doesn't seem too clear what it is that she's done:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1779882419903967499

[CropleyWasGod]

Has it been established that she did dodge tax? The Tory MP who reported her to the polis doesn't seem too clear what it is that she's done:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1779882419903967499

Not even sure that the police should be involved. It's an HMRC matter.

According to an article in the Times today, her advice was that a bathroom renovation would have wiped out any tax liability.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angela-rayner-council-house-tax-capital-gains-renovations-5sjkl0hkx

[Ozyhibby]

Has it been established that she did dodge tax? The Tory MP who reported her to the polis doesn't seem too clear what it is that she's done:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1779882419903967499

I don’t know but her situation sounds very similar to mine when I first met my wife and we ended up paying CGT when we sold her flat. If we have to pay it then I don’t see why politicians shouldn’t have to?
And we are working class as well.[emoji2369]

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[CropleyWasGod]

I don’t know but her situation sounds very similar to mine when I first met my wife and we ended up paying CGT when we sold her flat. If we have to pay it then I don’t see why politicians shouldn’t have to?
And we are working class as well.[emoji2369]

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Did you have a kitchen renovation? :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Not even sure that the police should be involved. It's an HMRC matter.

According to an article in the Times today, her advice was that a bathroom renovation would have wiped out any tax liability.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angela-rayner-council-house-tax-capital-gains-renovations-5sjkl0hkx

Or a kitchen renovation.

[CropleyWasGod]

Or a kitchen renovation.

:doh:

:greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

I don’t know but her situation sounds very similar to mine when I first met my wife and we ended up paying CGT when we sold her flat. If we have to pay it then I don’t see why politicians shouldn’t have to?
And we are working class as well.[emoji2369]


Sounding similar might not be the same thing as being the same, though. In particular, tax rules change over time, so unless you sold in the same tax year the rules might have been different (not saying they were, just that these things do change over time - I have a vague feeling that at one time long ago you might have been able to 'elect' a main residence rather than necessarily have to live in it full time, etc etc etc).

[lapsedhibee]

I don't know why she doesn't put an end to this Daily Mail campaign by simply and calmly explaining that she's going to wait until she's in government and then pay any fines and interest she might or might not owe out of the public purse, similar to what Johnston and Donelan have got away with. Tory MPs can't have any reasonable objection to that.

[Ozyhibby]

Sounding similar might not be the same thing as being the same, though. In particular, tax rules change over time, so unless you sold in the same tax year the rules might have been different (not saying they were, just that these things do change over time - I have a vague feeling that at one time long ago you might have been able to 'elect' a main residence rather than necessarily have to live in it full time, etc etc etc).

If the rules were different then they should just say so.
The only defence being offered is that it was ages ago and she is working class with a reference to her disabled child thrown in. None of that is relevant.
It looks very like she is a tax cheat but they think it’s ok for them.


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[Berwickhibby]

I do not hide my allegiance to supporting Labour, however if she defrauded tax and broke the ministerial code she should be ousted.

[lapsedhibee]

If the rules were different then they should just say so.
The only defence being offered is that it was ages ago and she is working class with a reference to her disabled child thrown in. None of that is relevant.
It looks very like she is a tax cheat but they think it’s ok for them.


I've a feeling Starmer might be so confident that she'll be exonerated that he's currently taking the opportunity to make political capital out of the Daily Mail's crusade, and that might be why all the chat from Labour is about her working classness. Labour might not want this cleared up until they've had a bit more fun with it. Could be wrong, we'll see.

[lapsedhibee]

I do not hide my allegiance to supporting Labour, however if she defrauded tax and broke the ministerial code she should be ousted.

And did she 'defraud tax'? :dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

And did she 'defraud tax'? :dunno:

She has questions that need answered. If a married couple have two houses and sell one then CGT is due. That is the rules. If she hasn’t paid it then she needs to explain why? It should be really easy to do so. Why would she not want to clear her name?


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[lapsedhibee]

She has questions that need answered. If a married couple have two houses and sell one then CGT is due. That is the rules. If she hasn’t paid it then she needs to explain why? It should be really easy to do so. Why would she not want to clear her name?


Well, you clearly know more about her tax affairs than I do. I have no idea, for example, what if any expenses she would have been able to claim against possible tax liability (as CWG has alluded to). I haven't been following the 'furore' too closely but I did get that she has offered to make public the relevant tax advice if her braying Tory accusers will also make their tax affairs public. Again, making political capital out of what may very well turn out to be another Beergate, whipped up by client journalists including the usual suspects Kuenssberg, Bruce, Robinson etc. Maybe she is a criminal, we'll see.

[Ozyhibby]

Well, you clearly know more about her tax affairs than I do. I have no idea, for example, what if any expenses she would have been able to claim against possible tax liability (as CWG has alluded to). I haven't been following the 'furore' too closely but I did get that she has offered to make public the relevant tax advice if her braying Tory accusers will also make their tax affairs public. Again, making political capital out of what may very well turn out to be another Beergate, whipped up by client journalists including the usual suspects Kuenssberg, Bruce, Robinson etc. Maybe she is a criminal, we'll see.

Release the tax advice and it all goes away. [emoji2369]


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[lapsedhibee]

Release the tax advice and it all goes away.

Maybe the Labour Party don't particularly want it to go away. It's not harming their polling. If it goes away the Daily Mail will just engineer a furore about something else, maybe the socialist-inspired deep state which thwarted Truss's plans to Save The West - and that might properly embarrass Sir Keir, who's in that up to his neck, along with the governor of the Bank of England, Prince William and all those other radical lefties.

[Ozyhibby]

Maybe the Labour Party don't particularly want it to go away. It's not harming their polling. If it goes away the Daily Mail will just engineer a furore about something else, maybe the socialist-inspired deep state which thwarted Truss's plans to Save The West - and that might properly embarrass Sir Keir, who's in that up to his neck, along with the governor of the Bank of England, Prince William and all those other radical lefties.

Good of Rayner to take one for the team then.[emoji122]


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[CropleyWasGod]

She has questions that need answered. If a married couple have two houses and sell one then CGT is due. That is the rules. If she hasn’t paid it then she needs to explain why? It should be really easy to do so. Why would she not want to clear her name?


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That's not necessarily so. There are many reasons why she might not be due it. Annual Allowance, length of ownership, capital improvements (which she has alluded to) will all help to reduce or remove any liability.

As for the explanation, she has already given that in that Times piece, no?

[Bristolhibby]

I do not hide my allegiance to supporting Labour, however if she defrauded tax and broke the ministerial code she should be ousted.

She’s said she’d resign if found guilty of any wrong doing.

MPs don’t say that bless they are 100% sure of their position. See Starmer et al with that nonsense with the curry that the Tories tried to compare to their outrageous excesses in Number 10.

Starmer knew categorically that there was no case to answer, exactly why he upped the anti and offered to resign.

Meanwhile the Tories sweep sweep.

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLcXKxaXwAAM3Nx?format=jpg&name=small

[MKHIBEE]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLcXKxaXwAAM3Nx?format=jpg&name=small



Sunak is worth £700m and someone else pays for a private jet for him? Wonder what Tripathi got to warrant that.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Sunak is worth £700m and someone else pays for a private jet for him? Wonder what Tripathi got to warrant that.


if nothing comes of this fraud case it wouldn't surprise me if he will be on Sunaks "honours" list

[cabbageandribs1875]

Tory TV, ok lets call it GB news, axing 40 jobs following heavy losses, £42.4m

[Jones28]

Tory TV, ok lets call it GB news, axing 40 jobs following heavy losses, £42.4m

D’aww

Anyway…

[grunt]

Tories. Say one thing, do the opposite.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLs0zo2W4AAjuKc?format=jpg&name=medium

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/437387235_10220964581864717_4449405526911292181_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=ALls2IYS80UAb5i0XZ7&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfCesw5EtbMAKYkIoMH4tInnW7kLnSAHojtf2wL-E4jhng&oe=662B2136

[MKHIBEE]

Tories. Say one thing, do the opposite.

I

My hatred for the Tories gets deeper by the day. Sunak seems to thinks that scrapping benefits to those in most need is going to be a vote winner. I’m not convinced that Starmer disagrees. This country really has become one almighty **** up. And there doesn’t seem to be the will to change it.

[Hibrandenburg]

My hatred for the Tories gets deeper by the day. Sunak seems to thinks that scrapping benefits to those in most need is going to be a vote winner. I’m not convinced that Starmer disagrees. This country really has become one almighty **** up. And there doesn’t seem to be the will to change it.

They know they've lost the battle for 10 Downing Street and are concentrating on saving themselves. Appearing to crack down on benefit scroungers will go down well in his constituency.

[Bostonhibby]

Jeez, they send on a minister with one of their tame presenters in the chair and the guy doesn't even know basic geography

https://x.com/ChirpyChet/status/1783628467164062048?t=lcNtAd85f0JssNabK_PPDQ&s=08

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[lapsedhibee]

Jeez, they send on a minister with one of their tame presenters in the chair and the guy doesn't even know basic geography

https://x.com/ChirpyChet/status/1783628467164062048?t=lcNtAd85f0JssNabK_PPDQ&s=08


Just fitting in with the boss. Sunak thought he'd been to Scotland when he visited Darlington.

[Bostonhibby]

Just fitting in with the boss. Sunak thought he'd been to Scotland when he visited Darlington.Liz Truss taught him everything she knows, poor man

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[MKHIBEE]

Liz Truss taught him everything she knows, poor man

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Would only have taken a minute.

[Bostonhibby]

Would only have taken a minute.Dim Lizzy could fit a lot of photo opportunities into a minute, from waving cheese about, sorting the russians as a tank commander, photos with pigs, squeezingvthe life out of lambs etc, there are no depths to which she will not plunge in the name of publicity.

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[lapsedhibee]

Dim Lizzy could fit a lot of photo opportunities into a minute, from waving cheese about, sorting the russians as a tank commander, photos with pigs, squeezingvthe life out of lambs etc, there are no depths to which she will not plunge in the name of publicity.

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No such list should omit her holding the microphone to her ear while using a landline telephone

[MKHIBEE]

No such list should omit her holding the microphone to her ear while using a landline telephone
I look forward to finding that.

[Bostonhibby]

No such list should omit her holding the microphone to her ear while using a landline telephoneYou're not wrong[emoji23]

A true leader in the mould of the great Bozo.

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[grunt]

No such list should omit her holding the microphone to her ear while using a landline telephone


I look forward to finding that.Pretty sure it's photoshopped, but still ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGUUl7CWQAIn22r?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bostonhibby]

Pretty sure it's photoshopped, but still ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGUUl7CWQAIn22r?format=jpg&name=mediumHas to be a photoshop, there's no way that coffee machine would have agreed to be filmed alongside the UK's equal worst prime minister ever, it's got a career in the hot drinks provision game to think about.

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[grunt]

This chap Poulter, who has jumped from the Tories to Labour. Theres something odd about this. Why now? He's been a Tory MP since 2010. Why has it taken until now to decide that the Tories are no good for the NHS? I don't understand it. He's already announced he's standing down at the next election, so it's not to do with fear of losing his seat.

[Bostonhibby]

This chap Poulter, who has jumped from the Tories to Labour. Theres something odd about this. Why now? He's been a Tory MP since 2010. Why has it taken until now to decide that the Tories are no good for the NHS? I don't understand it. He's already announced he's standing down at the next election, so it's not to do with fear of losing his seat.Why do rats jump just as the ship is sinking would be my question.

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[Stairway 2 7]

This chap Poulter, who has jumped from the Tories to Labour. Theres something odd about this. Why now? He's been a Tory MP since 2010. Why has it taken until now to decide that the Tories are no good for the NHS? I don't understand it. He's already announced he's standing down at the next election, so it's not to do with fear of losing his seat.

If he definitely is stopping at next election I can only think he wants to put the knife in before he's bombed, as you say though his conscience was fine through all of if.

He might though be fighting next election for Labour, just a guess?

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@mrjamesob
Dan Poulter is not standing at the next election. For any party. He will dedicate more time to his work as an NHS doctor specialising in mental health. I've already seen a dozen tweets claiming he's defected to somehow save his (23,000 majority) seat

[Hibrandenburg]

If he definitely is stopping at next election I can only think he wants to put the knife in before he's bombed, as you say though his conscience was fine through all of if.

He might though be fighting next election for Labour, just a guess?

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@mrjamesob
Dan Poulter is not standing at the next election. For any party. He will dedicate more time to his work as an NHS doctor specialising in mental health. I've already seen a dozen tweets claiming he's defected to somehow save his (23,000 majority) seat

Imagine having been a Tory MP and then going back to work for the NHS.

[MKHIBEE]

Has to be a photoshop, there's no way that coffee machine would have agreed to be filmed alongside the UK's equal worst prime minister ever, it's got a career in the hot drinks provision game to think about.

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It is a photoshop but, funnily enough, easy to believe it could be an original.

[Bostonhibby]

It is a photoshop but, funnily enough, easy to believe it could be an original.Pray for the coffee machine, forever blighted by that image.

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[Lendo]

If he definitely is stopping at next election I can only think he wants to put the knife in before he's bombed, as you say though his conscience was fine through all of if.

He might though be fighting next election for Labour, just a guess?

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@mrjamesob
Dan Poulter is not standing at the next election. For any party. He will dedicate more time to his work as an NHS doctor specialising in mental health. I've already seen a dozen tweets claiming he's defected to somehow save his (23,000 majority) seat

He says he's not standing at the next General Election, but what these people say and what they actually do are two entirely different things. Would not be surprised if he goes back on this now he's with Labour.

[grunt]

Tories eh? And Scottish Labour is siding with them.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMQFvuQWQAAkbx1?format=jpg&name=medium

[Stairway 2 7]

Tories eh? And Scottish Labour is siding with them.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMQFvuQWQAAkbx1?format=jpg&name=medium

Where is Labour siding with them I thought they already said Rwanda will stop.

[marinello59]

Where is Labour siding with them I thought they already said Rwanda will stop.

They’re not.

[MKHIBEE]

Tories eh? And Scottish Labour is siding with them.

I
So they pick up asylum seekers, send them to Rwanda, to a maximum of 250, then hope that the fact that no more can be sent for a year will deter others from arriving? Or am I missing something? Which airline has volunteered to do the flights?

[silverhibee]

So they pick up asylum seekers, send them to Rwanda, to a maximum of 250, then hope that the fact that no more can be sent for a year will deter others from arriving? Or am I missing something? Which airline has volunteered to do the flights?

AirTanker Services.

[grunt]

Where is Labour siding with them I thought they already said Rwanda will stop.


They’re not.
Labour voting with Tories in Scotland re VONC. Otherwise known as siding with them.

[Stairway 2 7]

Labour voting with Tories in Scotland re VONC. Otherwise known as siding with them.

Ha ffs OK. Just ridiculous eh saying that. Why wouldn't Labour vote against when they will gain most and possibly have the FM. Labour in Westminster voted against Rwanda this month and with them for smoking ban, you do what you think is best

Labour has done nothing wrong in the slightest. The brutal siding will come if there is scottish elections and they do deals with the Tories to get FM which the b's probably will

[Lendo]

So they pick up asylum seekers, send them to Rwanda, to a maximum of 250, then hope that the fact that no more can be sent for a year will deter others from arriving? Or am I missing something? Which airline has volunteered to do the flights?

Michael O’Leary said RyanAir would be happy to do it for the right price. **** will be ****.

I imagine if RyanAir did do it, it wouldn’t actually be Rwanda but another country close to it requiring a four hour shuttle bus.

Also RyanAirs 737s don’t actually have the range for this flight.

[Bostonhibby]

Michael O’Leary said RyanAir would be happy to do it for the right price. **** will be ****.

I imagine if RyanAir did do it, it wouldn’t actually be Rwanda but another country close to it requiring a four hour shuttle bus.

Also RyanAirs 737s don’t actually have the range for this flight.Maybe they could fly to CongoRwanda? That Chris Philp pillock could sort the route out.

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[Hibrandenburg]

Labour voting with Tories in Scotland re VONC. Otherwise known as siding with them.

Wonder how much a new election would cost just months before a general election? This is all about political gain and nothing to do with what's best for the country.

[Stairway 2 7]

Michael O’Leary said RyanAir would be happy to do it for the right price. **** will be ****.

I imagine if RyanAir did do it, it wouldn’t actually be Rwanda but another country close to it requiring a four hour shuttle bus.

Also RyanAirs 737s don’t actually have the range for this flight.

Wasn't sure if you were serious but just seen he's said he would if he could. Odious prick of a man he is

[Andy Bee]

Wonder how much a new election would cost just months before a general election? This is all about political gain and nothing to do with what's best for the country.

From what I've read they'll also still have to hold the Scottish election in 2026.

[lucky]

Wonder how much a new election would cost just months before a general election? This is all about political gain and nothing to do with what's best for the country.

But opposition parties believe getting rid of Humza and the SNP is what’s best for the country. Every political party and politician always look for gain as they always believe they know best. The SNP are not Scotland and don’t have sole rights to speak about what’s best for the country.

As for elections, so what about the cost. All political parties should be held accountable by the electorate

[Ozyhibby]

From what I've read they'll also still have to hold the Scottish election in 2026.

Absolutely. An election in Scotland does not reset the clock. There would need to be another one in 2026 anyway.


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[Hibrandenburg]

But opposition parties believe getting rid of Humza and the SNP is what’s best for the country. Every political party and politician always look for gain as they always believe they know best. The SNP are not Scotland and don’t have sole rights to speak about what’s best for the country.

As for elections, so what about the cost. All political parties should be held accountable by the electorate

Maybe the UK could learn something from that.

[grunt]

Those caring Tories.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMR4qs3XkAA34Tb?format=jpg&name=medium

[MKHIBEE]

Those caring Tories.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMR4qs3XkAA34Tb?format=jpg&name=medium

Just when you thought they couldn’t sink any lower you find you were way off the mark

[Andy Bee]

The first failed asylum seeker deported to Rwanda on Monday night.

A few problems though.....He didn't arrive by boat, he was planning to leave the UK for Rwanda anyway and actually volunteered to go, he was given £3k and he was given 5 years of free housing and employment support. :faf:

[MKHIBEE]

The first failed asylum seeker deported to Rwanda on Monday night.

A few problems though.....He didn't arrive by boat, he was planning to leave the UK for Rwanda anyway and actually volunteered to go, he was given £3k and he was given 5 years of free housing and employment support. :faf:

Do you have a link to this information?

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/ukhomeoffice/status/1785635671316537510?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A
Bragging while we throw people in cages.[emoji35]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/ukhomeoffice/status/1785635671316537510?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A
Bragging while we throw people in cages.[emoji35]


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That video turns my stomach. People used to score a political win

[Andy Bee]

Do you have a link to this information?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/asylum-seeker-rwanda-first-ever-deportations-b2537471.html

[Bristolhibby]

That video turns my stomach. People used to score a political win

***s me off the home office, a government department that we are paying for. Banding these videos about like it’s something to be proud of.

As a Civil Servant myself I always pride myself on our code, that we are obliged not to do anything illegal. I feel that our government have not lived up to their side of the bargain. Our neutrality in politics is linked to the fact that they won’t put us in that position of not breaking the code. Here they took something illegal (Rwanda is patently not a safe country) and just turned the law round, with legislation IN LAW making it safe.

I feel my colleagues in the home office are being set up.

Ha, as if by magic there’s an article picking up my point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68934480.amp

J

[MKHIBEE]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/asylum-seeker-rwanda-first-ever-deportations-b2537471.html

Thanks for that, wasn’t aware of the board and lodging element although what Cooper says could easily be hyperbole

[Stairway 2 7]

Tories just polled bellow Liz Truss's Tories. Shouldn't the polls be tightening..

YouGov
@YouGov
Tory vote share now lower than under Liz Truss in our latest VI (30 Apr - 1 May)

Con: 18% (-2 from 23-24 Apr)
Lab: 44% (-1)
Reform UK: 15% (+2)
Lib Dem: 10% (+1)
Green: 8% (+1)
SNP: 2% (-1)

[Scorrie]

Tories getting their ***** handed to them in England today. Getting pumped so far

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Mantra from The Tories is that a vote for Reform UK helps the Labour Party into power , Reform UK should be clued up enough to say a vote for The Tories helps the Labour Party into power. Richard Tice is an exceptionally dangerous politician but reactionary bargain bin fascists come and go.

[Stairway 2 7]

3 tory MP's call for Sunak to go already this morning. I can't see it they are falling until they are defeated. If too many go against Sunak I think he'll just call the election


@Steven_Swinford
Sir John Curtis says that the results in the local elections so far are ‘not far short’ of catastrophic for the Tories

They are ‘one of the worst if not the worst’ Conservative performances in local elections for 40 years

He says that Tories are losing half the seats they are contesting

Blackpool South represents third biggest swing in post-war election history

[Pretty Boy]

3 tory MP's call for Sunak to go already this morning. I can't see it they are falling until they are defeated. If too many go against Sunak I think he'll just call the election


@Steven_Swinford
Sir John Curtis says that the results in the local elections so far are ‘not far short’ of catastrophic for the Tories

They are ‘one of the worst if not the worst’ Conservative performances in local elections for 40 years

He says that Tories are losing half the seats they are contesting

Blackpool South represents third biggest swing in post-war election history

Who do they replace Sunak with? Love him or hate him (and I know what camp I fall into) the only person I could see budging the polls even slightly is Johnson and he's no longer an MP. We really should be looking at a late spring/early summer election, as has traditionally been the case, but I think October/November now seems the most likely date. Sunak will let the grifters and glorified councillors hold on to their MP and ministerial salaries a bit longer. They should be thanking him not trying to oust him, many have been promoted way beyond their level of competence and won't ever reach such heights again.

[Bostonhibby]

Tories just polled bellow Liz Truss's Tories. Shouldn't the polls be tightening..

YouGov
@YouGov
Tory vote share now lower than under Liz Truss in our latest VI (30 Apr - 1 May)

Con: 18% (-2 from 23-24 Apr)
Lab: 44% (-1)
Reform UK: 15% (+2)
Lib Dem: 10% (+1)
Green: 8% (+1)
SNP: 2% (-1)Bring back Dim Lizzy. A bit of trumpian fundamentalism never done anyone any harm.[emoji23]

At least I think she has now popped up as a Trumpette?

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[Kato]

Boris Johnson denied his vote as he forgot to take ID.

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[Bostonhibby]

Boris Johnson denied his vote as he forgot to take ID.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkSums the nasties up, brings in a law no one wants which inconveniences millions but thinks it doesn't apply to him. Bit like Partygate

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[grunt]

Boris Johnson denied his vote as he forgot to take ID.
Dont believe it at all. Intentional publicity stunt more like to get his name in the headlines on election day.

[Lendo]

Will Sunak survive this?

[Colr]

Voted early as usual. When I was there, there was a few oldies (yes, even older than me) getting turned away as they didn’t have ID.

The Tories attempt at voter suppression is pretty grim but it would be amusing if it was their own core vote they suppressed.

Notwithstanding that young people really need to get out and vote in larger numbers.

[Mon Dieu4]

Who do they replace Sunak with? Love him or hate him (and I know what camp I fall into) the only person I could see budging the polls even slightly is Johnson and he's no longer an MP. We really should be looking at a late spring/early summer election, as has traditionally been the case, but I think October/November now seems the most likely date. Sunak will let the grifters and glorified councillors hold on to their MP and ministerial salaries a bit longer. They should be thanking him not trying to oust him, many have been promoted way beyond their level of competence and won't ever reach such heights again.

Last chance saloon will be BJ or trying to get votes back from the smaller more right wing parties by getting someone like Braverman, crazy as it sounds I can see it happening

[Ozyhibby]

Voted early as usual. When I was there, there was a few oldies (yes, even older than me) getting turned away as they didn’t have ID.

The Tories attempt at voter suppression is pretty grim but it would be amusing if it was their own core vote they suppressed.

Notwithstanding that young people really need to get out and vote in larger numbers.

Young people tend to carry ID with them because they needed it to buy alcohol or in Scotland, to get on a bus.


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[Colr]

Young people tend to carry ID with them because they needed it to buy alcohol or in Scotland, to get on a bus.


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This is true.

[JimBHibees]

Dont believe it at all. Intentional publicity stunt more like to get his name in the headlines on election day.

Yep

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Dont believe it at all. Intentional publicity stunt more like to get his name in the headlines on election day.

Would be surprised if he has already forgotten that rules do apply to him.

[Just Alf]

Rwanda a safe country?

BBC News - US blames Rwanda and rebels for deadly camp strike - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgyxxlzvk4o

[CropleyWasGod]

Rwanda a safe country?

BBC News - US blames Rwanda and rebels for deadly camp strike - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgyxxlzvk4o

Mark Thomas does a very funny routine about the Rwandan situation. Paraphrasing.....

Rwandan Government:- "What's that, you newly-arrived illegal immigrant from the UK? You don't feel safe here? You'd feel safer risking your life getting to the UK?

We get £3,000 every time you get deported here?

:confused:

Let's go round again..... we have your transport ready."

[Colr]

Laura Keunsberg twitter:

What's going on in the London Mayoral race? No votes have been counted yet, so hold on to your hats.. but it is clear tonight that the race is much much closer than some polls had suggested...

Analogy:

"Here we are five minutes before kick off and unbelievably Dulwich Hamlet are holding Manchester City at nil, nil.

Maybe after kick off the picture will change, but right now Guardiola must be pretty worried that this game is so close.

Desperate times for the champions."

[Pretty Boy]

Laura Keunsberg twitter:

What's going on in the London Mayoral race? No votes have been counted yet, so hold on to your hats.. but it is clear tonight that the race is much much closer than some polls had suggested...

Analogy:

"Here we are five minutes before kick off and unbelievably Dulwich Hamlet are holding Manchester City at nil, nil.

Maybe after kick off the picture will change, but right now Guardiola must be pretty worried that this game is so close.

Desperate times for the champions."

A lot of the 'oh it's really close' stuff seems to be based on the odds shortening a bit for the Tory candidate on the betting exchanges. Two areas have declared in London and both have shown a swing of about 5% to Khan. He'll win by a landslide.

The Tufton Street grifters on Twitter are already questioning the legitimacy of the vote which tells you everything you need to know.

[Moulin Yarns]

A lot of the 'oh it's really close' stuff seems to be based on the odds shortening a bit for the Tory candidate on the betting exchanges. Two areas have declared in London and both have shown a swing of about 5% to Khan. He'll win by a landslide.

The Tufton Street grifters on Twitter are already questioning the legitimacy of the vote which tells you everything you need to know.

Cannae be right, everyone in London hates khan because of the ULEZ.

[lapsedhibee]

Laura Keunsberg twitter:

What's going on in the London Mayoral race? No votes have been counted yet, so hold on to your hats.. but it is clear tonight that the race is much much closer than some polls had suggested...

Analogy:

"Here we are five minutes before kick off and unbelievably Dulwich Hamlet are holding Manchester City at nil, nil.

Maybe after kick off the picture will change, but right now Guardiola must be pretty worried that this game is so close.

Desperate times for the champions."

Kuenssberg. Is. A. Disgrace.

[silverhibee]

A lot of the 'oh it's really close' stuff seems to be based on the odds shortening a bit for the Tory candidate on the betting exchanges. Two areas have declared in London and both have shown a swing of about 5% to Khan. He'll win by a landslide.

The Tufton Street grifters on Twitter are already questioning the legitimacy of the vote which tells you everything you need to know.

If crazy Suzy loses she will go all out Trump and demand a recount and tell everyone it’s a rigged election.

[Moulin Yarns]

If crazy Suzy loses she will go all out Trump and demand a recount and tell everyone it’s a rigged election.

Khan currently close to double the vote for hall.

[Pretty Boy]

Khan wins London comfortably Burnham wins in Manchester with a net 3% swing in his favour as well.

[Bostonhibby]

Kuenssberg. Is. A. Disgrace.Suffering badly from no longer being able to gaze doe eyed at Bozo whilst doing her tame interviews for him.



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[Hiber-nation]

Suffering badly from no longer being able to gaze doe eyed at Bozo whilst doing her tame interviews for him.



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A bit like Mattie Storrin in House of Cards. Folk wondered how she fell for old Francis Urquhart. Power, they just crave being close to it. All very strange to us mere mortals.

[Bostonhibby]

A bit like Mattie Storrin in House of Cards. Folk wondered how she fell for old Francis Urquhart. Power, they just crave being close to it. All very strange to us mere mortals.You're not wrong.

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[Colr]

Khan wins London comfortably Burnham wins in Manchester with a net 3% swing in his favour as well.

Richard Parker in West Midlands now. I’ve met him a few times. A thoroughly decent man.

[lapsedhibee]

Braverman has this morning acknowledged that the Tories are in a hole, and she's advised Sunak to keep digging.

How did people this thick get to be in charge? :dunno: