Jambos Legal Challenge

[TheMrSandiego]

Agreed, but in the unlikely event they won their case they would still be the most despised club in the country, because of their behaviour of the past few weeks. Absolutely classless and totally lacking in integrity.

Oh yeah, i can't agree more. I think its very, very unlikely they will win and reverse anything though. They will be in the Championship next season getting pelters off Ayr and Arbraoth fans.

[Onion]

Maybe it is just me, but, I think it's pretty disgusting of any team, and I really do mean any and every team, that Furloughs their players and staff, asks them also to take wage cuts and then goes out and signs players or managers are taking the piss and need to be investigated. How on earth can that be happening when I have mates losing their jobs and strugglin to make a living but f,n fitba clubs can keep signing players and managers and paying fees for them, wtf. Worlds gone f,n mad.

Have limited sympathy for Hearts players. Very well paid to do a job and abjectly failed to do it to a reasonable level, irrespective of how good or bad the manager was. To end up bottom of the Scottish Prem, having been paid the kind of money they have, is more than pathetic. Only have themselves to blame. Hearts staff are no different to other clubs.

Hearts have mismanaged at a negligent level but no one in the media is prepared to call them out for that.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Deans just embarrassing himself in public again I see. Seems to call everything wrong. Some 'authority' he is?! Does anyone actually listen to the auld slavering mess?

Probably overindulging in takeaway pints of sherry from The Canny Mans.

[Onion]

Agreed. And furthermore, I would be absolutely furious at the set up that had allowed us to find ourselves in such a position, having squandered SO MUCH money.

Hearts have played a blinder so far, because their fans are dumb enough to fall for it. They just need to find a way out of this court case. Hearts' best case scenario is - referred back to SFA, say they did all they could, play in the championship backed by hoards of
apoplectic morons.

Budge's oversight of the club is modern day Emperor's New Clothes. The Netflix producers must be wondering hw they stumbled across such a basket case of a club.

[Waxy]

I wouldn’t.

Worst team in the league needs relegated, I wouldn’t expect us to try and stop other teams being promoted because of it. Likewise I wouldn’t expect reconstruction to happen to the detriment of all other clubs for 5 years to appease us for one year.

I know people will think I’m talking rubbish and I’d change my mind if it was Hibs in their shoes but I’m pretty certain I wouldn’t.

Seems to me there’s been a real lack of awareness from Hearts fans about the lack of other options available. When you try and have that conversation all ive managed to get get back is that it’s ‘not fair’Exactly.Ourselves as a club have had to put up with alot and reckon we see things a bit clearer than our neighbours.We'd be unhappy about it but would see it had to be done that way and we'd simply have been unlucky.
There must be a few decent jambos out there somewhere who realise this.Where they are i do not know.

[McSwanky]

Budge's oversight of the club is modern day Emperor's New Clothes. The Netflix producers must be wondering hw they stumbled across such a basket case of a club.Is it not the BBC that are filming this?

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[wallpaperman]

Probably overindulging in takeaway pints of sherry from The Canny Mans.

I used to go for a drink in the Hampton Hotel in Murrayfield quite often on a Friday, and Deans was often there with his little gang. A stranger bunch of misfits you would be hard pressed to find.

This was when he was quite involved at Tynie, used to have a right smug look about him.

[Springbank]

Very good point.

For balance I think that the Petition boils down to the following issues:

1. The initial Dundee no vote should have stood. They did not have the right to change it. Now this, I would imagine, will be a simple matter of law. Lord Clark will be able to read the Articles of the SPFL and the relevant company law and come to a conclusion. All depends on Lord Clark's reading of the situation. So do Hearts have a chance? You would be surprised at some judgements made in the courts so maybe.

2. That the SPFL rules meant that 38 games are need to be played to complete the league. Again this will come down to the court's interpretation of the SPFL articles. Chances? Again a maybe.

3. That the vote to call leagues 1 and 2 and the Championship was made under false pretences because the SPFL willfully withheld information from the members that was prejudical to the no vote. This is the most serious charge imho as it accuses the SPFL of actual corruption. Does it have legs? Possibly, but The Rangers dossier was weak so unless Hearts have further evidence then they could struggle to make any mud stick.

4. The allegations of the coercion and bullying? For these to stick then a club unconnected to the action will have to stick its head above the parapet. No sign of that so far.

5. The Petition also refers to "no reasonable member would..." in many parts. Basically saying that it was unreasonable for the members to vote as they did. The "its unfair" challenge. Again this is a point of debate. Lord Clark would have to rule that the other clubs have acted unreasonably. Obviously Hearts fans believe this but will the judge?

Matters 1 & 2 are matters of interpretation of written rules and 3, 4 & 5 are more issues of conjecture and debate.

Objectively Hearts do possibly have a case but not nearly as cast iron as they seem to believe.

However, even if they were to win by proving part of their case, the remedies are not cut and dried. The judge may decide that reinstatement to the Premiership is not practical and that it prejudices the "promoted" clubs. So it might be compensation. However, the SPFL will attempt to show that the sum claimed for does not represent the actual losses incurred. So any sum granted may well be significantly reduced.

We will see.

Thanks for the summary, though I think both points 1 and 2 won't hold water

Point 1 - company law allows you to change a No vote to a Yes vote within the 28 day period (though you can't change a Yes vote) so no wrongdoing there, in the eyes of the law

Point 2 - the SPFL rules say the club in 12th position at the end of the season will play the following season in the Championship, and a season is defined as 38 games or such other period that the Board has the power to decide. Cutting the season short was within the Board's competence & Hearts were 12th.

Points 3,4 and 5 (the "it's no fair" and the "we're an oppressed minority" stuff) are all bull**** and Hearts fans should be embarrassed their club saw fit to pursue these horrible and divisive lines of discussion. Real desperado stuff.

That's my take & I'd expect there to be one further point prior to arguments 1 & 2 - the establishing of jurisdiction. It shouldn't be in a civil court it should be SFA / CAS route.

I don't see Hearts and Partick getting anything positive out of that (personal view)

[malcolm]

Very good point.

For balance I think that the Petition boils down to the following issues:

1. The initial Dundee no vote should have stood. They did not have the right to change it. Now this, I would imagine, will be a simple matter of law. Lord Clark will be able to read the Articles of the SPFL and the relevant company law and come to a conclusion. All depends on Lord Clark's reading of the situation. So do Hearts have a chance? You would be surprised at some judgements made in the courts so maybe.

2. That the SPFL rules meant that 38 games are need to be played to complete the league. Again this will come down to the court's interpretation of the SPFL articles. Chances? Again a maybe.

3. That the vote to call leagues 1 and 2 and the Championship was made under false pretences because the SPFL willfully withheld information from the members that was prejudical to the no vote. This is the most serious charge imho as it accuses the SPFL of actual corruption. Does it have legs? Possibly, but The Rangers dossier was weak so unless Hearts have further evidence then they could struggle to make any mud stick.

4. The allegations of the coercion and bullying? For these to stick then a club unconnected to the action will have to stick its head above the parapet. No sign of that so far.

5. The Petition also refers to "no reasonable member would..." in many parts. Basically saying that it was unreasonable for the members to vote as they did. The "its unfair" challenge. Again this is a point of debate. Lord Clark would have to rule that the other clubs have acted unreasonably. Obviously Hearts fans believe this but will the judge?

Matters 1 & 2 are matters of interpretation of written rules and 3, 4 & 5 are more issues of conjecture and debate.

Objectively Hearts do possibly have a case but not nearly as cast iron as they seem to believe.

However, even if they were to win by proving part of their case, the remedies are not cut and dried. The judge may decide that reinstatement to the Premiership is not practical and that it prejudices the "promoted" clubs. So it might be compensation. However, the SPFL will attempt to show that the sum claimed for does not represent the actual losses incurred. So any sum granted may well be significantly reduced.

We will see.

All reasonable counter views but

1. If it is a simple matter of company law and that the spfl articles do not provide anything different then should be a simple to dismiss this.

5. I’m not convinced that ‘reasonableness of other clubs actions’ as they affect hearts is relevant. The other clubs are obliged to look after their own interests which requires no consideration as to fairness to other clubs. That is what a reasonable and correctly governed club would do. That is what hearts are doing - acting purely in their own self interest with no reasonableness towards any other club (Not so sure about their governance though :greengrin). Their petition seeks a remedy on a discretionary basis because the application of the rule governing the situation is in their eyes unduly excessive, oppressive or burdensome.

But we have a rule applied in a situation where there is no position without detriment and that of the least has been overwhelmingly chosen albeit quite rightly on the basis of self interest. In applying the desired remedy the court would inflict damage to others and so I can’t see a court being persuaded. It may simply adjudge relegation on sporting merit as something it has no appetite or reason to interfere with. While compromise may be compensation, I wonder too about any appetite to be involved and it’s first push back may simply be to hand off to the SFA.

[Sammy7nil]

Thanks for the summary, though I think both points 1 and 2 won't hold water

Point 1 - company law allows you to change a No vote to a Yes vote within the 28 day period (though you can't change a Yes vote) so no wrongdoing there, in the eyes of the law

Point 2 - the SPFL rules say the club in 12th position at the end of the season will play the following season in the Championship, and a season is defined as 38 games or such other period that the Board has the power to decide. Cutting the season short was within the Board's competence & Hearts were 12th.

Points 3,4 and 5 (the "it's no fair" and the "we're an oppressed minority" stuff) are all bull**** and Hearts fans should be embarrassed their club saw fit to pursue these horrible and divisive lines of discussion. Real desperado stuff.

That's my take & I'd expect there to be one further point prior to arguments 1 & 2 - the establishing of jurisdiction. It shouldn't be in a civil court it should be SFA / CAS route.

I don't see Hearts and Partick getting anything positive out of that (personal view)

All good points it is really strange how many of not most on Kickback see it as a slam dunk :confused: :greengrin

[mal]

Is it not the BBC that are filming this?

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It's the independent company Two Rivers Media, commissioned by BBC Scotland, although there's nothing about it on the company's website. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/inside-tynecastle-what-new-hearts-documentary-about-and-when-it-tv-1370338

[Scotty Leither]

SJ has just put another post up on the request of Deans, I don't know how to put it on here but it's another apology saying he didn't read the petition thoroughly [emoji23] he should maybe think about getting his facts in order before he tries to accuse folk of trying to create mischief?? Oh the irony
I'm sure someone will put it on here. @irish Steve where are you mate?

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i'll venture the Law Society might be a tad interested in Deans running his mouth off albeit via a 3rd party on a public message board, with inflammatory comments that could conceivably prejudice a hearing.

This links into the point the SPFL letter makes in the 2nd last paragraph of their letter that's had the cardigan wearers spraying their Ovaltine over the telly while watching the Antiques Roadshow.

Mind you, having had personal experience of complaining about a solicitor to the Law Society myself, there does tend to be a circling of wagons when one of their own is getting in the neck from "ordinary people".

Who knows, maybe his plea of mitigation that it's "his age" m'lud will be accepted, but I would venture a quiet word in his shell-like has been had and he's covering his own sorry backside now.

Whatever way it shakes, it's great viewing.

[weecounty hibby]

All good points it is really strange how many of not most on Kickback see it as a slam dunk :confused: :greengrin
Blind panic of a drowning club clutching at straws. They are prepared to believe any old ***** that is fed to them by anyone on their side and anything that is in their favour. They also dismiss anything and anybody that doesn't follow their hearts are being victimised narrative.

[CapitalGreen]

I thought the issue with the ‘no’ vote was that the clubs were advised on how to reply.
Dundee did something different so the vote went to the wrong inbox.

Dundee were told they hadn’t cast a vote, they said they did.
By the time it was found it was out with the time period for a reply but Dundee requested the vote to be changed To ‘yes’ which is allowed, for some reason changing yes to no isn’t allowed.
The time frame was short because clubs asked for a quick resolution, the 28 day rule still stood.

Because certain people said the SFA had done something underhand with the vote, they got Deloitte to audit it.

Some then said the audit was too narrow but it was Exactly what the SFA needed.

A lot to consider.

Under Company Law for responses to a Written Resolution there technically isn’t such thing as a “No Vote”. A written resolution is put to members and they have 28 days to indicate whether they agree with it. If 75% of members agree then the written resolution is passed. If the 28 day period elapses and the written resolution has failed to reach the required 75% then it does not pass. Once agreement is given with the resolution that can’t be changed.

[Wakeyhibee]

I wouldn’t.

Worst team in the league needs relegated, I wouldn’t expect us to try and stop other teams being promoted because of it. Likewise I wouldn’t expect reconstruction to happen to the detriment of all other clubs for 5 years to appease us for one year.

I know people will think I’m talking rubbish and I’d change my mind if it was Hibs in their shoes but I’m pretty certain I wouldn’t.

Seems to me there’s been a real lack of awareness from Hearts fans about the lack of other options available. When you try and have that conversation all ive managed to get get back is that it’s ‘not fair’

Agree, but I would of expected Hibs to get some form of enhanced parachute payment in return. Nothing like what they're asking for, but a recognition that youd lost the chance to get out of that position.

Something I think the SPFL should have at least added to to the original proposal.

There is a provision in the rules for the 11th team parachute of £500k if they lose the playoffs, that could of been added at no extra cost.

[greenginger]

Agree, but I would of expected Hibs to get some form of enhanced parachute payment in return. Nothing like what they're asking for, but a recognition that youd lost the chance to get out of that position.

Something I think the SPFL should have at least added to to the original proposal.

There is a provision in the rules for the 11th team parachute of £500k if they lose the playoffs, that could of been added at no extra cost.

The money for the parachute payments comes from a cut on the gates and tv coverage of the playoffs.

There were no playoffs so no parachute fund.

[Sammy7nil]

Agree, but I would of expected Hibs to get some form of enhanced parachute payment in return. Nothing like what they're asking for, but a recognition that youd lost the chance to get out of that position.

Something I think the SPFL should have at least added to to the original proposal.

There is a provision in the rules for the 11th team parachute of £500k if they lose the playoffs, that could of been added at no extra cost.

Technically it is still £500k loss as I think we are the only top flight club so far to lose the play off.

[DaveF]

Technically it is still £500k loss as I think we are the only top flight club so far to lose the play off.

Didn't Livi beat Partick?

[RyeSloan]

Agree, but I would of expected Hibs to get some form of enhanced parachute payment in return. Nothing like what they're asking for, but a recognition that youd lost the chance to get out of that position.

Something I think the SPFL should have at least added to to the original proposal.

There is a provision in the rules for the 11th team parachute of £500k if they lose the playoffs, that could of been added at no extra cost.

And most probably would have been done and dusted already if Hearts has went about any of this in the right way.

But by simply refusing to accept they had been relegated they were never in a position to lobby for that payment.

[FilipinoHibs]

Correct no one looks at both sides of the argument they just search for things that back their point of view.

Trump, Boris and Budge.

[Sammy7nil]

Didn't Livi beat Partick?

Probably i have been known to write ****te :greengrin

[FilipinoHibs]

I think your point 1 is incorrect. They did have the option to change from a no to yes vote. If you voted yes you couldn’t change it to no!


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It is a point of company law of which Lord Ckark is an expert.

[Lunatic]

I’d also be furious at the half arsed league reconstruction proposition that was put forward by Budge to save their skin.

The lack of detail and effort that went into that proposal was nothing short of a disgrace. It was nothing better than a rambling post you’d expect to see on a forum.

I’d be furious at Budge who should have phoned ALL clubs on day one to ask for their thoughts on reconstruction and then called them again before submitting her proposals. What she eventually presented was no more than an hour or so’s thoughts on what would benefit Hearts but nobody else. When I’ve said that to Jambos though all I have heard back is that it shouldn’t be up to them to find a solution.

Terrible attitude they’ve had to all of this and it’s one of the reasons I’m hopeful they may stay down for more than the one year.

The problem Budge faced though, is that no matter how much effort went into it, while 4 OF games is a requirement of the TV deal, the 12 team, 6,6 split is the only workable option for the SPL.

Those hearts fans you spoke to are right though. It shouldn't have been left to Hearts to find a solution. If an independent body had looked into it, we could have had the lower leagues reform that would have satisfied everyone but hearts.

[Wakeyhibee]

The money for the parachute payments comes from a cut on the gates and tv coverage of the playoffs.

There were no playoffs so no parachute fund.

Know what your saying but money was lost on the TV deal and offset on the new one, this could of too.

I wouldn't argue with it if we'd been bottom but something of that order would have at least shown some consideration to the clubs most affected.

[Andy74]

I thought the issue with the ‘no’ vote was that the clubs were advised on how to reply.
Dundee did something different so the vote went to the wrong inbox.

Dundee were told they hadn’t cast a vote, they said they did.
By the time it was found it was out with the time period for a reply but Dundee requested the vote to be changed To ‘yes’ which is allowed, for some reason changing yes to no isn’t allowed.
The time frame was short because clubs asked for a quick resolution, the 28 day rule still stood.

Because certain people said the SFA had done something underhand with the vote, they got Deloitte to audit it.

Some then said the audit was too narrow but it was Exactly what the SFA needed.

A lot to consider.

There’s not a lot to consider. The vote was fine and was independently audited.

[Wakeyhibee]

Technically it is still £500k loss as I think we are the only top flight club so far to lose the play off.

Yes but that has to budgeted for, as is the 2nd years payment in the championship but not always paid out.

I'd be more pissed off at Hibs for being in the situation but still think this should have been done/considered as a slight balance to what was the least unfair option.

[Tug Wilson]

All reasonable counter views but

1. If it is a simple matter of company law and that the spfl articles do not provide anything different then should be a simple to dismiss this.

5. I’m not convinced that ‘reasonableness of other clubs actions’ as they affect hearts is relevant. The other clubs are obliged to look after their own interests which requires no consideration as to fairness to other clubs. That is what a reasonable and correctly governed club would do. That is what hearts are doing - acting purely in their own self interest with no reasonableness towards any other club (Not so sure about their governance though :greengrin). Their petition seeks a remedy on a discretionary basis because the application of the rule governing the situation is in their eyes unduly excessive, oppressive or burdensome.

But we have a rule applied in a situation where there is no position without detriment and that of the least has been overwhelmingly chosen albeit quite rightly on the basis of self interest. In applying the desired remedy the court would inflict damage to others and so I can’t see a court being persuaded. It may simply adjudge relegation on sporting merit as something it has no appetite or reason to interfere with. While compromise may be compensation, I wonder too about any appetite to be involved and it’s first push back may simply be to hand off to the SFA.

Agreed. Just wanted to show that we can look at both sides of the argument.

Unless they have new evidence or some miracle legal precedent then I think that my points 1 & 2 have been dealt with in the public domain.

The points that are a matter of debate (3, 4 and 5) are, in my opinion, harder for the Petitioners to win. If points 1 & 2 fail then saying that it is unfair to relegate them but OK to not promote Dundee United does not make sense.

Again it is in the public domain that attempts were made to arrange reconstruction, but none were successful. The courts must take that into account.

Personally I think that they have a weak case at best but wanted to put the counter points.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Perhaps you could post my following comments.*
I understand there has been some adverse comment regarding my piece of earlier today.*
The information I was given , from a normally reliable source, stated that our petition named SPFL as respondents with intimation to four other clubs. DU , RR, CR and Stranraer. *I now accept that information was erroneous. Had I known that at the time, my comments of earlier today would have differed. I accept that I could have examined the petition in detail myself and apologise to anyone feeling misled by my comments. I can assure you that this was not my intention. * Perhaps age is catching up with me.!*

Whilst no one can categorically state the outcome of litigation,
I stand by my earlier comments on this aspect.*
I remain deeply concerned by the potential conflict of interest if the case is referred to the SFA. Additionally they will simply*not have the expertise to deal with complex legal*issues nor the ability to grant interdict. * The mark of any civilised society is free access to justice and there is no better forum than Scotland's supreme civil court.*
Leslie Deans

Are we sure it is Deans? Its begining to look more like Budgie to me...😉

[Eyrie]

The problem Budge faced though, is that no matter how much effort went into it, while 4 OF games is a requirement of the TV deal, the 12 team, 6,6 split is the only workable option for the SPL.

Those hearts fans you spoke to are right though. It shouldn't have been left to Hearts to find a solution. If an independent body had looked into it, we could have had the lower leagues reform that would have satisfied everyone but hearts.
There was no demand for reconstruction except from Hearts, so it was fair for them to put the proposal together, not the SPFL. And if Budge hadn't been so arrogant and had actually spoken to the lower league clubs, she'd have given Hearts a decent chance when the vote was held.

We already know from Donald Findlay that he never heard from her. The correct approach would have been to find out what suits the lower league clubs and then include that in her proposal. The lower league clubs would then vote for it without caring that a 14 team top flight is unworkable.

That then creates some momentum and she could have got a majority in favour, although it would still have failed to get the 11-1 super-majority in the top flight due to the inherent problems of a 14 team league. However she'd have been well placed to then negotiate compensation with the SPFL providing she'd asked for a sensible figure like £1m and been willing to settle on the £500k that 11th would get.

[Tug Wilson]

There was no demand for reconstruction except from Hearts, so it was fair for them to put the proposal together, not the SPFL. And if Budge hadn't been so arrogant and had actually spoken to the lower league clubs, she'd have given Hearts a decent chance when the vote was held.

We already know from Donald Findlay that he never heard from her. The correct approach would have been to find out what suits the lower league clubs and then include that in her proposal. The lower league clubs would then vote for it without caring that a 14 team top flight is unworkable.

That then creates some momentum and she could have got a majority in favour, although it would still have failed to get the 11-1 super-majority in the top flight due to the inherent problems of a 14 team league. However she'd have been well placed to then negotiate compensation with the SPFL providing she'd asked for a sensible figure like £1m and been willing to settle on the £500k that 11th would get.

Yeah. I meant to say that Donald Findlay's comments that he had not seen any evidence of wrongdoing or corruption and that Budge had never contacted Cowdenbeath were massive.

[Springbank]

Agreed. Just wanted to show that we can look at both sides of the argument.

Unless they have new evidence or some miracle legal precedent then I think that my points 1 & 2 have been dealt with in the public domain.

The points that are a matter of debate (3, 4 and 5) are, in my opinion, harder for the Petitioners to win. If points 1 & 2 fail then saying that it is unfair to relegate them but OK to not promote Dundee United does not make sense.

Again it is in the public domain that attempts were made to arrange reconstruction, but none were successful. The courts must take that into account.

Personally I think that they have a weak case at best but wanted to put the counter points.

Fair doo's indeed👍

And they have entertained us royally during an otherwise potentially difficult lockdown period

Scot Gardener trying to start a sneaky WhatsApp group, to corrupt a vote
Dundee screwing Scot Gardener
Scot Gardener phoning Sportsound to admit to his collusion while trying to paint Dundee as the bad guy
Rangers dossier
Hearts vote to relegate Hearts
Spfl hand Ann Budge the reins to reconstruction
Budge starts day 1 saying null & void (no titles) when she needs an 11-1 vote... clever start, Ann
Hearts fail to contact most teams
Hibs pull out of reconstruction committee
Hearts self-identify as an oppressed minority
Saughton Jambo predicts a 10-2 vote
Leslie Dean's goes on air
Leslie Dean's writes an open letter
Hearts 14-10-10-10 creates a bottom 8 split
Recon is rejected by 81% of clubs
27 games in the Championship
Hearts go to court
Hearts haven't got a case, just bluster
Court papers leak on kickback
Tom English v Donald Findlay
Hearts plead poverty & not fair to be relegated
Hearts shaft their manager by sacking him using a relegation clause & paying compo for a replacement
Stendal finds out via social media he's toast
And it's all being filmed for a BBC fly on the wall

[Sammy7nil]

Fair doo's indeed👍

And they have entertained us royally during an otherwise potentially difficult lockdown period

Scot Gardener trying to start a sneaky WhatsApp group, to corrupt a vote
Dundee screwing Scot Gardener
Scot Gardener phoning Sportsound to admit to his collusion while trying to paint Dundee as the bad guy
Rangers dossier
Hearts vote to relegate Hearts
Spfl hand Ann Budge the reins to reconstruction
Budge starts day 1 saying null & void (no titles) when she needs an 11-1 vote... clever start, Ann
Hearts fail to contact most teams
Hibs pull out of reconstruction committee
Hearts self-identify as an oppressed minority
Saughton Jambo predicts a 10-2 vote
Leslie Dean's goes on air
Leslie Dean's writes an open letter
Hearts 14-10-10-10 creates a bottom 8 split
Recon is rejected by 81% of clubs
27 games in the Championship
Hearts go to court
Hearts haven't got a case, just bluster
Court papers leak on kickback
Tom English v Donald Findlay
Hearts plead poverty & not fair to be relegated
Hearts shaft their manager by sacking him using a relegation clause & paying compo for a replacement
Stendal finds out via social media he's toast
And it's all being filmed for a BBC fly on the wall

Craig sacked then stays on
Return of the Phoodle
Statement after statement
Tom English chucks it a journalist and becomes a broken record.
Ann Budgie announces SPFL needs Hearts far more than the Championship does
Lesley Deans confirms his stupidity and that he is not in the know
Kickback hate fest they want to burn, destroy, kill all of Scottish football and laugh whilst doing so

It has certainly helped me through lockdown

[Andy74]

Yep, I think the vote was fine too.
In the lot to consider I mean information available from the SFA and an independent auditor.

I think the SFA will come out of this well despite What the experts on the beeb podcast say.

The other important thing to note is that despite bringing up the vote issue they are actually accepting most of what the vote agreed. They are asking the Court just to overturn the specific aspects relating to relegation and promotion.

[Del Boy]

The other important thing to note is that despite bringing up the vote issue they are actually accepting most of what the vote agreed. They are asking the Court just to overturn the specific aspects relating to relegation and promotion.

Which is ridiculous. Surely a judge isn’t falling for this. They’re scared to touch Celtic but happy to **** over 3 smaller clubs.

[Andy74]

Which is ridiculous. Surely a judge isn’t falling for this. They’re scared to touch Celtic but happy to **** over 3 smaller clubs.

Exactly. A judge also isn’t going to appreciate completely wrong references to Article provisions and then following up with chat about being an oppressed minority and that is is all so unfair.

This will be one of the easier run outs for a judge with expertise in complex questions of corporate law.

[FilipinoHibs]

Exactly. A judge also isn’t going to appreciate completely wrong references to Article provisions and then following up with chat about being an oppressed minority and that is is all so unfair.

This will be one of the easier run outs for a judge with expertise in complex questions of corporate law.

Is there anything in the rumour that the judge, Lord Clark is a Celtic season ticket holder and friend of Peter Lawell?

[CentreLine]

Is there anything in the rumour that the judge, Lord Clark is a Celtic season ticket holder and friend of Peter Lawell?

Yes of course there is🤣

[Ozyhibby]

Is there anything in the rumour that the judge, Lord Clark is a Celtic season ticket holder and friend of Peter Lawell?

I heard he’s in the green brigade.[emoji3]


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[Kojock]

Is there anything in the rumour that the judge, Lord Clark is a Celtic season ticket holder and friend of Peter Lawell?

The reason the hearing was delayed for 24hrs was Lord Clark invited Lawwell and Doncaster to a round at golf at Muirfield where Lord Clark is a member and the only tee off time available was Tuesday.

[green day]

The reason the hearing was delayed for 24hrs was Lord Clark invited Lawwell and Doncaster to a round at golf at Muirfield where Lord Clark is a member and the only tee off time available was Tuesday.

Not 100% accurate - they couldnt get a teeoff time at Muirfield, so Rod Petrie invited them to make up a 4 at his course in Longniddry.

[Bostonhibby]

The reason the hearing was delayed for 24hrs was Lord Clark invited Lawwell and Doncaster to a round at golf at Muirfield where Lord Clark is a member and the only tee off time available was Tuesday.Jeez, you do realise there will be 400,000 protesters at Muirfield on Tuesday now?



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[jacomo]

The problem Budge faced though, is that no matter how much effort went into it, while 4 OF games is a requirement of the TV deal, the 12 team, 6,6 split is the only workable option for the SPL.

Those hearts fans you spoke to are right though. It shouldn't have been left to Hearts to find a solution. If an independent body had looked into it, we could have had the lower leagues reform that would have satisfied everyone but hearts.


Budge willingly accepted her role as co-chair of the reconstruction task force and took responsibility alongside Hamilton for coming up with a proposal. She spoke extensively in the media about how she would do it.

I said at the time that she made a huge mistake in accepting that role, but it really is no use her complaining about it now. The other clubs in the SPFL aren’t responsible for her poor decision-making.

[mcfly]

Thing is hearts fans are convinced they will win court case.

Defeat is not even contemplated. Why are they so confident?

be interesting to see what happens, would t surprise me if it sent back to SFA for arbitration

[lucky]

I hope the court of session deal with their case and does not to put it to the SFA. The SFA could easily support their argument for a 14 team top league just to end all the infighting in Scottish football. Where as the court will only deal with the legal case on its merits.

[Bostonhibby]

Budge willingly accepted her role as co-chair of the reconstruction task force and took responsibility alongside Hamilton for coming up with a proposal. She spoke extensively in the media about how she would do it.

I said at the time that she made a huge mistake in accepting that role, but it really is no use her complaining about it now. The other clubs in the SPFL aren’t responsible for her poor decision-making.Yep, I think she was looking to run it like one of her clowns bicycle style Tynecastle projects.

Do the talking head stuff, issue orders about what she wants done and randomly interfere when the wind changes direction.



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[Peevemor]

I hope the court of session deal with their case and does not to put it to the SFA. The SFA could easily support their argument for a 14 team top league just to end all the infighting in Scottish football. Where as the court will only deal with the legal case on its merits.

I don't see that happening at all. The SPL (now SPFL) was a breakaway set-up to get away from SFA & Scottish League influence. I doubt the SFA will over rule the clubs.

[Andy74]

I hope the court of session deal with their case and does not to put it to the SFA. The SFA could easily support their argument for a 14 team top league just to end all the infighting in Scottish football. Where as the court will only deal with the legal case on its merits.

Hearts aren't asking for a 14 team league. They are asking for promotion and relegation to be cancelled or to get compensation.

[Greenworld]

I hope the court of session deal with their case and does not to put it to the SFA. The SFA could easily support their argument for a 14 team top league just to end all the infighting in Scottish football. Where as the court will only deal with the legal case on its merits.Alternatively the SFA could hammer the two clubs .
Total support for the SPFL and the votes taken is the only option for the SFA.
What about the court of arbitration could it end up there

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[Piqué]

Alternatively the SFA could hammer the two clubs .
Total support for the SPFL and the votes taken is the only option for the SFA.
What about the court of arbitration could it end up there

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I think somebody said you only have a 21 day window to take it to the court of arbitration which hearts have now missed.

[04Sauzee]

I think somebody said you only have a 21 day window to take it to the court of arbitration which hearts have now missed.

So this is like her forgetting to order seats?

[lucky]

Hearts aren't asking for a 14 team league. They are asking for promotion and relegation to be cancelled or to get compensation.

Hearts aren’t asking for a 14 team league at the CoS but there’s nothing to stop the SFA starting up the talks on restructuring again as a way to resolve the issue.

[Kato]

Hearts aren’t asking for a 14 team league at the CoS but there’s nothing to stop the SFA starting up the talks on restructuring again as a way to resolve the issue.Apart from having no say over League matters.

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[Waxy]

Hearts aren’t asking for a 14 team league at the CoS but there’s nothing to stop the SFA starting up the talks on restructuring again as a way to resolve the issue.

Start it up all they want for the umpteenth time.The clubs wont pass it because its worse than what we have.
More chance of a vote being taken to chuck hearts and Partick out the league.
This should happen for how careless they’ve been to Scottish football.

[Eyrie]

I think somebody said you only have a 21 day window to take it to the court of arbitration which hearts have now missed.

I've taken great delight in unpicking Hearts "case" on here but I'm not sure that they have missed the window. Surely it would only be open from when the domestic arbiter (SFA) decision is made?

So on Wednesday the court confirms that any appeal should be made to the SFA. The SFA then take a couple of weeks to request all the evidence and study it thoroughly so they can't be accused of rushing a decision, then confirm that the SPFL was correct in its actions. Hearts then appeal to CAS.

Time to stock up on popcorn - this has a bit to run yet :greengrin

[jacomo]

Hearts aren’t asking for a 14 team league at the CoS but there’s nothing to stop the SFA starting up the talks on restructuring again as a way to resolve the issue.


That would be ridiculous though. 14 team proposal was comprehensively rejected - not only did it not pass the (high) bar needed for change, but it was rejected by a resounding majority.

[Ozyhibby]

Neither the CoS or the SFA has the power to order a reconstruction. That’s of the table now.


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[Kojock]

I hope the court of session deal with their case and does not to put it to the SFA. The SFA could easily support their argument for a 14 team top league just to end all the infighting in Scottish football. Where as the court will only deal with the legal case on its merits.

18 hours ago, jambogirlglasgow said:
I’m going to stick my neck out and say there is NO WAY that the Petition is getting excluded from the Court of Session and passed to the SFA on a jurisdiction issue. It’s a Companies Law legal point, not a football issue. But what do I know, I’m only a lawyer.

Anyone qualified to answer the aforementioned quote.

[Greenworld]

18 hours ago, jambogirlglasgow said:
I’m going to stick my neck out and say there is NO WAY that the Petition is getting excluded from the Court of Session and passed to the SFA on a jurisdiction issue. It’s a Companies Law legal point, not a football issue. But what do I know, I’m only a lawyer.

Anyone qualified to answer the aforementioned quote.What part is the company law legal point.


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[HFC93]

I hope the court of session deal with their case and does not to put it to the SFA. The SFA could easily support their argument for a 14 team top league just to end all the infighting in Scottish football. Where as the court will only deal with the legal case on its merits.

League reconstruction isn’t going to happen at this point. It’s deid. It’s finished. It's done—finito.

[Jim44]

18 hours ago, jambogirlglasgow said:
I’m going to stick my neck out and say there is NO WAY that the Petition is getting excluded from the Court of Session and passed to the SFA on a jurisdiction issue. It’s a Companies Law legal point, not a football issue. But what do I know, I’m only a lawyer.

Anyone qualified to answer the aforementioned quote.

....... so is Leslie Deans.:faf:

[007]

Is there anything in the rumour that the judge, Lord Clark is a Celtic season ticket holder and friend of Peter Lawell?


I heard he’s in the green brigade.[emoji3]


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I heard he's got his judge's wig in Henrik Larsson dreadlocks.

[Heisenberg]

League reconstruction isn’t going to happen at this point. It’s deid. It’s finished. It's done—finito.

Can’t be right, Saughton Jambo assured us it would be back on the table this week...or was that last week? Or maybe the week before that? He’s going to need to refill his ice for that champagne again 😂

[grunt]

18 hours ago, jambogirlglasgow said:It’s a Companies Law legal point, not a football issue. But what do I know, I’m only a lawyer. It may be just the way she's typed the post, so it could be nothing at all, but most lawyers I know would refer to the Companies Act, i.e. the 2006 Act itself, or company law, the generic term for corporate legislation. "Companies Law" is not really a thing, is it?

[Eyrie]

18 hours ago, jambogirlglasgow said:
I’m going to stick my neck out and say there is NO WAY that the Petition is getting excluded from the Court of Session and passed to the SFA on a jurisdiction issue. It’s a Companies Law legal point, not a football issue. But what do I know, I’m only a lawyer.

Anyone qualified to answer the aforementioned quote.

Surely the Companies Law legal point is just the bit about Dundee's vote?

Cancelling promotion and relegation is about the organisation of football which is totally separate and would be within the SFA's powers.

[where'stheslope]

Surely the Companies Law legal point is just the bit about Dundee's vote?

Cancelling promotion and relegation is about the organisation of football which is totally separate and would be within the SFA's powers.
Was it not the SPFL who cancelled the season, so clubs could get money?
The SFA have had little to do in it, it was the SPFL who said relegation and promotion would take place.
I hope you are not correct in your analogy, as this alone would be a merited case?

[Kojock]

What part is the company law legal point.


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No idea, that’s why Im not a lawyer 😂

[FilipinoHibs]

No idea, that’s why Im not a lawyer 😂




Almost all of it. The vote - you can only vote for a motion and not against it. Have 28 days to decide ad can't withdraw a Yes vote.

The SPFL is a private company with 42 shareholders with one vote each. They set policy by voting - calling league early, relegation/promotion, distribution of money, reconstruction. The rules of the company are decided by the shareholders. Probably why Lord Clark a specialist in company law is dealing with it

[Skol]

I read a post on JKB that claimed the joint statement must be watertight as they would have had the legal opinion checked before issue. This completely ignores the fact that the statement itself makes it clear it was issued before they asked their Legal people for a view.

Add to this Leslie Deans statements about misleading points which he hasnt even bothered to check and verify,

It really does strike me that they just believe any passing pig in the sky

[Caversham Green]

Surely the Companies Law legal point is just the bit about Dundee's vote?

Cancelling promotion and relegation is about the organisation of football which is totally separate and would be within the SFA's powers.

The Dundee vote is an interesting point. Normally a special resolution only requires a straight 75% vote and that would have been achieved even if Dundee's original statement of non-support had registered. The additional hurdle of divisional weighting is enshrined in the Articles I believe, so Company Law does still apply but it's debatable (IMO) whether it would overrule the base 75% requirement. If not then the board could have carried the resolution without Dundee having to change their 'vote'. Regardless, I think it must further weaken HoMFC's already weak case. Also the vote was to end the season for the three lower divisions and not specifically about promotion and relegation to and from the Premiership.

[Andy74]

18 hours ago, jambogirlglasgow said:
I’m going to stick my neck out and say there is NO WAY that the Petition is getting excluded from the Court of Session and passed to the SFA on a jurisdiction issue. It’s a Companies Law legal point, not a football issue. But what do I know, I’m only a lawyer.

Anyone qualified to answer the aforementioned quote.

The detail of what Hearts are asking about is Company law, yes, (or their hit and miss interpretation of it) and also the rules on the membership of the organisation, however, they are also members of an organisation who have an agreed route for appeals against SPFL decisions. The court could decide it isn't going to look at the company law or rules issues because they need to take their grievance to the SFA and they haven't done so.

[Andy74]

The Dundee vote is an interesting point. Normally a special resolution only requires a straight 75% vote and that would have been achieved even if Dundee's original statement of non-support had registered. The additional hurdle of divisional weighting is enshrined in the Articles I believe, so Company Law does still apply but it's debatable (IMO) whether it would overrule the base 75% requirement. If not then the board could have carried the resolution without Dundee having to change their 'vote'. Regardless, I think it must further weaken HoMFC's already weak case. Also the vote was to end the season for the three lower divisions and not specifically about promotion and relegation to and from the Premiership.

It was a written resolution though, not just a special one. Written resolutions have specific procedures and this is why Dundee's 'no' vote was neither here nor there.

[Peevemor]

The Dundee vote is an interesting point. Normally a special resolution only requires a straight 75% vote and that would have been achieved even if Dundee's original statement of non-support had registered. The additional hurdle of divisional weighting is enshrined in the Articles I believe, so Company Law does still apply but it's debatable (IMO) whether it would overrule the base 75% requirement. If not then the board could have carried the resolution without Dundee having to change their 'vote'. Regardless, I think it must further weaken HoMFC's already weak case. Also the vote was to end the season for the three lower divisions and not specifically about promotion and relegation to and from the Premiership.

Promotion from the championship was covered by the vote.

[Caversham Green]

I read a post on JKB that claimed the joint statement must be watertight as they would have had the legal opinion checked before issue. This completely ignores the fact that the statement itself makes it clear it was issued before they asked their Legal people for a view.

Add to this Leslie Deans statements about misleading points which he hasnt even bothered to check and verify,

It really does strike me that they just believe any passing pig in the sky

My first thought when I read the comment from Deans was that he was behind the joint statement. It being a Saturday her official advisors weren't available so she's spoken to wee Les and he's told her to put a holding statement out until they could be consulted. Probably not, but I do still think the statement was issued in a bit of a blind panic.

[Caversham Green]

It was a written resolution though, not just a special one. Written resolutions have specific procedures and this is why Dundee's 'no' vote was neither here nor there.

Agreed, but their argument revolves around the original Dundee vote being valid so they must have some reason to believe that. Maybe they think that it wasn't a true written resolution as defined by Company Law because of the additional voting requirements and also the fact that 'no' votes were requested. Just to be clear, I don't think that argument holds any water at all but I just can't see what else they have to argue with.


Promotion from the championship was covered by the vote.

Was it? My understanding was that it was purely to curtail the season with promotion and relegation to be decided subsequently. I feel a bit like Les Deans now.

[JohnMcM]

League reconstruction isn’t going to happen at this point. It’s deid. It’s finished. It's done—finito.

Until 12 12 10 10 starts getting discussed for seasons 21/22 or 22/23 during season 20/21 :wink::greengrin

[Andy74]

Agreed, but their argument revolves around the original Dundee vote being valid so they must have some reason to believe that. Maybe they think that it wasn't a true written resolution as defined by Company Law because of the additional voting requirements and also the fact that 'no' votes were requested. Just to be clear, I don't think that argument holds any water at all but I just can't see what else they have to argue with.



Was it? My understanding was that it was purely to curtail the season with promotion and relegation to be decided subsequently. I feel a bit like Les Deans now.

When Hearts are talking about the Dundee vote they go on to reference a section in the SPFL articles that has nothing to do with the receipt of votes and certainly doesn't replace the requirements for a written resolution.

You'd ordinarily think that people must think they have a case to take it to court but this genuinely looks like a desperate attempt to throw something together and a legal team just fining something because the client is insisting on it.

[Keith_M]

Is anybody else thinking of the Dead Parrot sketch from Monty Python, with Leslie Deans as the shopkeeper?

[Skol]

My first thought when I read the comment from Deans was that he was behind the joint statement. It being a Saturday her official advisors weren't available so she's spoken to wee Les and he's told her to put a holding statement out until they could be consulted. Probably not, but I do still think the statement was issued in a bit of a blind panic.

I had wondered about the very same thing as it’s hard to see what about the letter is so wrong. Maybe the inference that hearts may have leaked the petition.

It’s also interesting they have twice said no further statements While the legal process continues but have issued two more statements.

[Caversham Green]

When Hearts are talking about the Dundee vote they go on to reference a section in the SPFL articles that has nothing to do with the receipt of votes and certainly doesn't replace the requirements for a written resolution.

You'd ordinarily think that people must think they have a case to take it to court but this genuinely looks like a desperate attempt to throw something together and a legal team just fining something because the client is insisting on it.

That was mentioned previously (I think by you) but I hadn't looked it up before. The petition states "In terms of Article 185 of the Articles it was deemed to have been delivered when it was sent." Unless the Articles have dramatically changed, Article 185 relates to the winding up of the company.

Have they really got it that wrong?

[hibsbollah]

The TV production people that are doing the Hearts documentary must be creaming themselves, it’s comedy gold after comedy gold. We really need Judge Judy doing the case with OJs legal team flown in.

[Andy74]

That was mentioned previously (I think by you) but I hadn't looked it up before. The petition states "In terms of Article 185 of the Articles it was deemed to have been delivered when it was sent." Unless the Articles have dramatically changed, Article 185 relates to the winding up of the company.

Have they really got it that wrong?

I can't find my copy of the petition so can't recall the number but when I referenced it to the articles it was under the notices section and it referred to the point at which a notice was deemed to be sent. They were relying on it to say that the Dundee vote was valid at the point the email was sent.

That section is to do with specific notices by the company and not for voting. And then we get into the point that a no vote wouldn't have mattered anyway. Then finally the fact Hearts aren't actually wanting all parts of the vote cancelled, just the bits they don't like...

[hibbyfraelibby]

I've taken great delight in unpicking Hearts "case" on here but I'm not sure that they have missed the window. Surely it would only be open from when the domestic arbiter (SFA) decision is made?

So on Wednesday the court confirms that any appeal should be made to the SFA. The SFA then take a couple of weeks to request all the evidence and study it thoroughly so they can't be accused of rushing a decision, then confirm that the SPFL was correct in its actions. Hearts then appeal to CAS.

Time to stock up on popcorn - this has a bit to run yet :greengrin

No the 21 day timeframe came from the requirement to lodge their complaint with CAS from the date the league took its decision as per Article 55. I posted the extract way back up the thread before I discovered the Fulham precedent.

[nellio]

The TV production people that are doing the Hearts documentary must be creaming themselves, it’s comedy gold after comedy gold. We really need Judge Judy doing the case with OJs legal team flown in.

Are they still filming ?

[Caversham Green]

I can't find my copy of the petition so can't recall the number but when I referenced it to the articles it was under the notices section and it referred to the point at which a notice was deemed to be sent. They were relying on it to say that the Dundee vote was valid at the point the email was sent.

That section is to do with specific notices by the company and not for voting. And then we get into the point that a no vote wouldn't have mattered anyway. Then finally the fact Hearts aren't actually wanting all parts of the vote cancelled, just the bits they don't like...

I've just double-checked and the petition definitely refers to Article 185 which in the Articles dated 15 April 2019 refers to winding up. Looking at the notices section the one you saw was Article 182 I think and as you say relates to service of notices and has nothing to do with votes. I find it hard to believe that legal professionals would get things that wrong, but I can't see what other explanation there is.

[grunt]

I've just double-checked and the petition definitely refers to Article 185 which in the Articles dated 15 April 2019 refers to winding up. Looking at the notices section the one you saw was Article 182 I think and as you say relates to service of notices and has nothing to do with votes. I find it hard to believe that legal professionals would get things that wrong, but I can't see what other explanation there is.New Articles January 2020 https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/files/shares/SPFL%20Articles%20of%20Association%20of%2020-Jan-20%20(clean).pdf


Any document, which is sent by post, shall be deemed to have been served or delivered forty eight (48) hours after posting and, in proving such service or delivery, it shall be sufficient to prove that the notice or document was properly addressed, stamped and put in the post. Any notice or other document otherwise than by post, or sent by facsimile transmission or telex or email or other instantaneous means of transmission, shall be deemed to have been served or delivered when it was left or sent.

[Andy74]

I've just double-checked and the petition definitely refers to Article 185 which in the Articles dated 15 April 2019 refers to winding up. Looking at the notices section the one you saw was Article 182 I think and as you say relates to service of notices and has nothing to do with votes. I find it hard to believe that legal professionals would get things that wrong, but I can't see what other explanation there is.

New articles below. If anyone is any doubt that they've employed lawyers here who don't know at they are doing then this is a very good illustration.

Edit: Articles posted above so haven't repeated.

[bingo70]

New articles below. If anyone is any doubt that they've employed lawyers here who don't know at they are doing then this is a very good illustration.

Edit: Articles posted above so haven't repeated.

Sorry for dumbing down this thread again but does the new articles not mean that their petition was right as it relates to the sending of Dundee’s response?

[Andy74]

Sorry for dumbing down this thread again but does the new articles not mean that their petition was right as it relates to the sending of Dundee’s response?

No, the specific section there needs to be read in conjunction with the ones above as well. It is under the heading of Notices. It is to deal with how and when notice is given by the Company for things like General Meetings and director meetings. It's just saying if the company sends a notice by email then the period is counted from when the email was sent.

So, they are wrong initially to be questioning the validity of a No response in the first place for a written resolution. Then they follow up being wrong by worrying about timing and referring to an Article that has nothing to do with the point they are trying to make.

[McSwanky]

No, the specific section there needs to be read in conjunction with the ones above as well. It is under the heading of Notices. It is to deal with how and when notice is given by the Company for things like General Meetings and director meetings. It's just saying if the company sends a notice by email then the period is counted from when the email was sent.

So, they are wrong initially to be questioning the validity of a No response in the first place for a written resolution. Then they follow up being wrong by worrying about timing and referring to an Article that has nothing to do with the point they are trying to make.

It's almost as if they want the case to be chucked out.... :hmmm:

[Caversham Green]

New Articles January 2020 https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/files/shares/SPFL%20Articles%20of%20Association%20of%2020-Jan-20%20(clean).pdf


New articles below. If anyone is any doubt that they've employed lawyers here who don't know at they are doing then this is a very good illustration.

Edit: Articles posted above so haven't repeated.

Right, it was me looking at the wrong articles - something I seem to be doing a lot of these days.

I suppose that one is a bit closer to being relevant but as Andy says it doesn't relate to votes being cast.

[JohnMcM]

No, the specific section there needs to be read in conjunction with the ones above as well. It is under the heading of Notices. It is to deal with how and when notice is given by the Company for things like General Meetings and director meetings. It's just saying if the company sends a notice by email then the period is counted from when the email was sent.

So, they are wrong initially to be questioning the validity of a No response in the first place for a written resolution. Then they follow up being wrong by worrying about timing and referring to an Article that has nothing to do with the point they are trying to make.


A​Andy74,

Stop it.
Just stop it.
In the name of all things merciful stop it.
My stomach is hurting from all my laughing. :greengrin

[007]

Originally Posted by*:
Thoughts from a wee friend and legal eagle:-

Thank you for this. I can understand why Hearts and Partick could be unhappy at this letter. It is untrue. The 3 other clubs were not named in the petition as respondents and for SPFL to state that they were is both totally inappropriate and grossly misleading. Are they trying to stir up resentment?
The complex legal issues which could unfold make it vital the case remains with the court of Session who have powers and remedies that are not available to the SFA. I also have considerable concerns around the conflict of interest if adjudication is conducted by the SFA.


Perhaps you could post my following comments.*
I understand there has been some adverse comment regarding my piece of earlier today.*
The information I was given , from a normally reliable source, stated that our petition named SPFL as respondents with intimation to four other clubs. DU , RR, CR and Stranraer. *I now accept that information was erroneous. Had I known that at the time, my comments of earlier today would have differed. I accept that I could have examined the petition in detail myself and apologise to anyone feeling misled by my comments. I can assure you that this was not my intention. * Perhaps age is catching up with me.!*

Whilst no one can categorically state the outcome of litigation,
I stand by my earlier comments on this aspect.*
I remain deeply concerned by the potential conflict of interest if the case is referred to the SFA. Additionally they will simply*not have the expertise to deal with complex legal*issues nor the ability to grant interdict. * The mark of any civilised society is free access to justice and there is no better forum than Scotland's supreme civil court.*
Leslie Deans

What an utter embarrassment from the legal "eagle" (not so much an eagle, more a great tit) who goes on the radio boasting about how many years of legal experience he has to then make such a basic error, which was immediately picked up on here. I bet it only made its way onto kickback because we picked up on it, otherwise they'd still be taking what the great tit says as gospel.

Would expect a lot of potential clients will now bodyswerve using a laywer who puts out false statements on legal matters and then when found out blames his ineptitude on someone else and on old age and admits he didn't even read the legal document he's commenting on. Bit ironic someone using old age as an excuse making such a schoolboy error.

Looks like the legal tit got lucky when the BBC declined his request to go on Sportsound, he could have made an even bigger laughing stock of himself.

As Caversham Green and others have suggested, maybe he was asked by Budge because it was Sunday so the proper lawyer wasn't available, hence the statement with squealing undertones. Funnily enough there's not been any further squealing about the SPFL letter, probably because the proper lawyer has told them to STFU.

I don't see what is wrong with the board of an organisation communicating privately with its members about a legal case that affects them all, particularly as they've not gone into detail about it and have explained to members the correct procedure to get the info they've been requesting.

This was a private communication so if anyone is at fault it is Hearts for going public with it and lo and behold, not long after the statement, the private information makes it way out into the public domain. With Hearts and Partick saying they want Wednesday's proceeding to be done in public it makes it is very suspicious that first the petition and now the private letter have been leaked.

Bit rich Hearts people accusing the SPFL of trying to stir up resentment / garner support when it seems like that is the reason for documents being leaked.

[WhileTheChief..]

It really does strike me that they just believe any passing pig in the sky

Not quite. They’ll believe anything that sounds like it’s in their favour.

Anything that goes against their way of thinking is wrong, illegal, immoral and dare I say it, just not fair!

[oldbutdim]

I'm happy to concede on one point with our Gorgie chums. I keep insisting that they have simply been relegated, but they argue that they have been 'expelled'.
Surely we could just expel them then, and everyone is happy?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Why are Stranraer listed along with United, Raith and Cove? Are they not one of the clubs Hearts wanted to change the league structure to save?

[Tug Wilson]

I feel a bit like Les Deans now.

Thoughts and prayers with you. Hope you recover soon.

[JeMeSouviens]

Why are Stranraer listed along with United, Raith and Cove? Are they not one of the clubs Hearts wanted to change the league structure to save?

These 4 are the ones, apart from Hearts and Thistle, that would be directly affected if promotion/relegation were to be cancelled.

[Joe6-2]

Are they still filming ?

Oh let’s hope so

[Peevemor]

Agreed, but their argument revolves around the original Dundee vote being valid so they must have some reason to believe that. Maybe they think that it wasn't a true written resolution as defined by Company Law because of the additional voting requirements and also the fact that 'no' votes were requested. Just to be clear, I don't think that argument holds any water at all but I just can't see what else they have to argue with.



Was it? My understanding was that it was purely to curtail the season with promotion and relegation to be decided subsequently. I feel a bit like Les Deans now.


"If approved, this would result in the promotion of Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers, and the relegation of Partick Thistle and Stranraer."

https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-clubs-to-vote-on-curtailment-of-ladbrokes-s

[Sammy7nil]

I posted this on the wrong thread KB not happy Lawell is bullying them via Keef Jackson :rolleyes: :confused: :greengrin


Hearts and Partick Thistle £10m threat to clubs lost support and they might regret it if decisions go against them - Keith Jackson
The battle goes to the Court of Session this week and adds to the madness of Scottish football during lockdown.




Hearts and Partick Thistle £10m threat to clubs lost support and they might regret it if decisions go against them - Keith Jackson

The battle goes to the Court of Session this week and adds to the madness of Scottish football during lockdown.



Years from now when historians reflect on the Great Lockdown of 2020 they will see that Scottish football led the way as the true pioneer of this pandemic.



Records will show that the game in this country descended into a state of complete and utter madness long before the rest of the real world eventually caved in and lost the plot too.



It’s a scary place out there these days and some of the events of the last few weeks have been enough to make you wonder if there’s much to be gained from ever going out the front door again.



Certainly, the vein-popping insanity which has throttled the SPFL since March shows no sign of loosening its grip any time soon.





In fact, it will be cranked up again over the next few days as Hearts and Partick Thistle kick the whole drama into the Court of Session, having already issued the rest of Scotland’s clubs with a £10million relegation ransom note.



If they get their way we’re all about to be dragged back to the very start of this crisis and the decision to call time on a season after it had been infected by the same virus which has unleashed such suffering and chaos.



From Dundee and their mysterious flip-flopping to Neil Doncaster and his dubious back channelling, it could all be dragged back into the public domain like a recurring nightmare.



The trouble is, where there was almost unanimous sympathy back then for the plight of these two clubs, and for Thistle in particular, the mood around this new normal has taken a turn for the worse.



There are some clubs in agreement that the M8 alliance have been left with no option but to press the big red button.



But there are others, and plenty of them, who have been infuriated by the manner in which they have gone about it and, in particular, by the enormity of their demands.



The threat to trigger an interim interdict to prevent next season from kicking off as scheduled on August 1 has also raised the temperature significantly and contributed to the feelings of ill will swirling around the 12
top-flight clubs.



At 3pm on Wednesday, just hours after the preliminary hearing at the Court of Session, all 12 of them will dial into a video conference call to discuss the next step in Scottish football’s recovery



On the agenda is a proposed rule change which would empower SPFL chief executive Doncaster and his board with emergency powers to act as they see fit should, heaven forbid, another pandemic force our game back into lockdown at some point in the future.



Over the weekend, Doncaster was also locked in fruitful talks with the Scottish government to secure permission for Premiership clubs to restart full contact training from this morning. That means the top 12 can now arrange pre-season friendlies between themselves while also advancing plans to get fans safely back inside their grounds as quickly as possible and turning on the tap of matchday revenue.

All the while, Hearts and Thistle continue to hold a gun to the game’s head over the manner in which last season was shut down.



It’s this refusal to allow the rest to focus fully on moving forward which is causing resentment to build and tempers to fray.

This is likely to dominate the conversations on Wednesday.



There is every chance that this uncertainty and rancour will all still be rumbling on in three weeks’ time when the SPFL holds its AGM to decide on the make-up of Doncaster’s board for the new campaign. There’s also every chance Celtic’s chief executive Peter Lawwell will be re-appointed to the set-up at that stage, replacing Rangers managing director Stewart Robertson as has become the customary summer boardroom job swap in recent times.



If that happens then Lawwell, who has kept his own counsel throughout this period of
unprecedented unrest, will be dragged into the thick of the fight.



He’s unlikely to join in quietly or, for that matter, to feel much in the way of empathy for the two clubs most sorely aggrieved.



It really is a mess of gargantuan proportions and as the bad blood continues to simmer behind the scenes Scottish football’s dirtiest laundry may now be aired in full public view, assuming Hearts and Thistle’s lawyers win the argument on Wednesday morning.

If it is decided by Lord Clark that the case should proceed to the Court of Session the two rebellious clubs will feel their own actions have been largely vindicated, no matter how much anger they have caused among the others.



If, however, it is batted out at the first stage and Hearts and Thistle are ordered to enter into arbitration through the SFA instead, the whole basis for their claim will have been greatly undermined.



If the issue of a compensation claim somehow winds up going back to the vote of all 42 clubs then Hearts and Thistle would be as well standing outside and whistling for their cash. There may have been a time and place for such a conversation.



Even the most myopic and self-interested of chairmen and chief executives could see the blatant unfairness of what was done to these two clubs back in March when football was stopped.



But much has changed over these historic, life-changing last four months.



What was once a cruel world is in danger of losing its mind. At least our game will be there to welcome it to the madhouse.

[wookie70]

I've just double-checked and the petition definitely refers to Article 185 which in the Articles dated 15 April 2019 refers to winding up. Looking at the notices section the one you saw was Article 182 I think and as you say relates to service of notices and has nothing to do with votes. I find it hard to believe that legal professionals would get things that wrong, but I can't see what other explanation there is.

I can't recall of many dealings with the Legal profession where I haven't had to tell them about a clanger they have made. Not a surprise to me particularly as they are essentially putting up a hail Mary.

[007]

I posted this on the wrong thread KB not happy Lawell is bullying them via Keef Jackson :rolleyes: :confused: :greengrin

Hearts and Partick Thistle £10m threat to clubs lost support and they might regret it if decisions go against them - Keith Jackson


Levein and others have said Budge doesn't want to go to court. She is only taking it to court because that's what the fans want so the have only got themselves to blame if they suffer long term damage as a result of their self-entitlement.

[Sammy7nil]

Levein and others have said Budge doesn't want to go to court. She is only taking it to court because that's what the fans want so the have only got themselves to blame if they suffer long term damage as a result of their self-entitlement.

I took it differently the Budgie does not want to go to court but the SPFL have forced her to do so.

[Eyrie]

No the 21 day timeframe came from the requirement to lodge their complaint with CAS from the date the league took its decision as per Article 55. I posted the extract way back up the thread before I discovered the Fulham precedent.

OK, thanks.

I'd better make a start on that popcorn mountain.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200629/2bc1bd38372b79b06ad4fe1320085397.plist
Handy wee chart on how other countries declared their league. Only the Dutch one would have saved Hearts.


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[Jdawg]

No the 21 day timeframe came from the requirement to lodge their complaint with CAS from the date the league took its decision as per Article 55. I posted the extract way back up the thread before I discovered the Fulham precedent.

Cant find the Fulham case. Do you have the citation? :)

[Andy74]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200629/2bc1bd38372b79b06ad4fe1320085397.plist
Handy wee chart on how other countries declared their league. Only the Dutch one would have saved Hearts.


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Yeah but Hearts saved the whole of Europe so you need to factor that in.

[mjhibby]

I posted this on the wrong thread KB not happy Lawell is bullying them via Keef Jackson :rolleyes: :confused: :greengrin


Hearts and Partick Thistle £10m threat to clubs lost support and they might regret it if decisions go against them - Keith Jackson
The battle goes to the Court of Session this week and adds to the madness of Scottish football during lockdown.




Hearts and Partick Thistle £10m threat to clubs lost support and they might regret it if decisions go against them - Keith Jackson

The battle goes to the Court of Session this week and adds to the madness of Scottish football during lockdown.



Years from now when historians reflect on the Great Lockdown of 2020 they will see that Scottish football led the way as the true pioneer of this pandemic.



Records will show that the game in this country descended into a state of complete and utter madness long before the rest of the real world eventually caved in and lost the plot too.



It’s a scary place out there these days and some of the events of the last few weeks have been enough to make you wonder if there’s much to be gained from ever going out the front door again.



Certainly, the vein-popping insanity which has throttled the SPFL since March shows no sign of loosening its grip any time soon.





In fact, it will be cranked up again over the next few days as Hearts and Partick Thistle kick the whole drama into the Court of Session, having already issued the rest of Scotland’s clubs with a £10million relegation ransom note.



If they get their way we’re all about to be dragged back to the very start of this crisis and the decision to call time on a season after it had been infected by the same virus which has unleashed such suffering and chaos.



From Dundee and their mysterious flip-flopping to Neil Doncaster and his dubious back channelling, it could all be dragged back into the public domain like a recurring nightmare.



The trouble is, where there was almost unanimous sympathy back then for the plight of these two clubs, and for Thistle in particular, the mood around this new normal has taken a turn for the worse.



There are some clubs in agreement that the M8 alliance have been left with no option but to press the big red button.



But there are others, and plenty of them, who have been infuriated by the manner in which they have gone about it and, in particular, by the enormity of their demands.



The threat to trigger an interim interdict to prevent next season from kicking off as scheduled on August 1 has also raised the temperature significantly and contributed to the feelings of ill will swirling around the 12
top-flight clubs.



At 3pm on Wednesday, just hours after the preliminary hearing at the Court of Session, all 12 of them will dial into a video conference call to discuss the next step in Scottish football’s recovery



On the agenda is a proposed rule change which would empower SPFL chief executive Doncaster and his board with emergency powers to act as they see fit should, heaven forbid, another pandemic force our game back into lockdown at some point in the future.



Over the weekend, Doncaster was also locked in fruitful talks with the Scottish government to secure permission for Premiership clubs to restart full contact training from this morning. That means the top 12 can now arrange pre-season friendlies between themselves while also advancing plans to get fans safely back inside their grounds as quickly as possible and turning on the tap of matchday revenue.

All the while, Hearts and Thistle continue to hold a gun to the game’s head over the manner in which last season was shut down.



It’s this refusal to allow the rest to focus fully on moving forward which is causing resentment to build and tempers to fray.

This is likely to dominate the conversations on Wednesday.



There is every chance that this uncertainty and rancour will all still be rumbling on in three weeks’ time when the SPFL holds its AGM to decide on the make-up of Doncaster’s board for the new campaign. There’s also every chance Celtic’s chief executive Peter Lawwell will be re-appointed to the set-up at that stage, replacing Rangers managing director Stewart Robertson as has become the customary summer boardroom job swap in recent times.



If that happens then Lawwell, who has kept his own counsel throughout this period of
unprecedented unrest, will be dragged into the thick of the fight.



He’s unlikely to join in quietly or, for that matter, to feel much in the way of empathy for the two clubs most sorely aggrieved.



It really is a mess of gargantuan proportions and as the bad blood continues to simmer behind the scenes Scottish football’s dirtiest laundry may now be aired in full public view, assuming Hearts and Thistle’s lawyers win the argument on Wednesday morning.

If it is decided by Lord Clark that the case should proceed to the Court of Session the two rebellious clubs will feel their own actions have been largely vindicated, no matter how much anger they have caused among the others.



If, however, it is batted out at the first stage and Hearts and Thistle are ordered to enter into arbitration through the SFA instead, the whole basis for their claim will have been greatly undermined.



If the issue of a compensation claim somehow winds up going back to the vote of all 42 clubs then Hearts and Thistle would be as well standing outside and whistling for their cash. There may have been a time and place for such a conversation.



Even the most myopic and self-interested of chairmen and chief executives could see the blatant unfairness of what was done to these two clubs back in March when football was stopped.



But much has changed over these historic, life-changing last four months.



What was once a cruel world is in danger of losing its mind. At least our game will be there to welcome it to the madhouse.

Have to say I agree with Jackson. On ocassions he gets it right and he’s spot on here. The fact so many of the top flight clubs have kept their counsel shows how much anger and frustration there is about this legal action. Not a peep of support for legal action. They have burned so many bridges and will damage them long term. They will deserve bugger all after their shocking behaviour of the last 3 months. It’s opened a lot of folks eyes at just how classless they are which is about time folk see what we’ve known for decades about them.

[Aldo]

Yeah but Hearts saved the whole of Europe so you need to factor that in.

And don’t forget they’ve spent/invested millions in an effort to get relegated!


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[CapitalGreen]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200629/2bc1bd38372b79b06ad4fe1320085397.plist
Handy wee chart on how other countries declared their league. Only the Dutch one would have saved Hearts.


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Yup, the Dutch League agreed to an out of court settlement on compensation too. The 2 teams who were denied promotion were given €425,000 and €375,000 respectively. Not quite £8m is it 😂😂 the Eredivisie is a more lucrative league too.

[Jim44]

POV
Yup, the Dutch League agreed to an out of court settlement on compensation too. The 2 teams who were denied promotion were given €425,000 and €375,000 respectively. Not quite £8m is it 😂😂 the Eredivisie is a more lucrative league too.

....... but, but, but Hearts are a bigger club than those wee diddy foreign clubs. Plus, they spent an absolute fortune trying to avoid relegation. Plus, it looks as if they’re going to spend another fortune trying to get back playing with the bigger and better clubs.

[hibbyfraelibby]

OK, thanks.

I'd better make a start on that popcorn mountain.

Salty or sweet?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Cant find the Fulham case. Do you have the citation? :)

Posted futher up this thread

[Since452]

I've got a sneaky feeling that Hearts splashing the cash on Neilsons compo and Craig Gordons wages may work against them. For a club pleading poverty they seem to be doing ok.

[Springbank]

I've got a sneaky feeling that Hearts splashing the cash on Neilsons compo and Craig Gordons wages may work against them. For a club pleading poverty they seem to be doing ok.

While threatening their players to take aggressive wage cuts....

[Greenworld]

I've got a sneaky feeling that Hearts splashing the cash on Neilsons compo and Craig Gordons wages may work against them. For a club pleading poverty they seem to be doing ok.You think? I don't think Lord C will have any interest on anything other the matter in hand.
The circus going on around will be of no consequence to him.
I'm going to suggest that this case will be short and sweet because of that .

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[Caversham Green]

While threatening their players to take aggressive wage cuts....

And refusing to offer refunds on season tickets. Is there any other club in the country that's done that?

[Ardenttwo]

Yeah but Hearts saved the whole of Europe so you need to factor that in.

And McRae's Battalion save the whole world

[calumhibee1]

And refusing to offer refunds on season tickets. Is there any other club in the country that's done that?

I actually forgot about that. That’s worse than the fact they’ve been banging on about the money they’ll lose from their “expulsion”

“To all our fans, some of which are unemployed due to Covid, some of which have lost a decent chunk of their salary to furlough, we can’t afford to do refunds on the goods you didn’t receive, suck it up.

Btw, we just went and bought the manager of a team in the league above us and blew a fortune on a goalie lolz”

They’re like a teenager who hasn’t learned to budget.

[Waxy]

Will Craig Gordon be Cup tied for the semi anyone know?

[calumhibee1]

Will Craig Gordon be Cup tied for the semi anyone know?

Don’t think any decision has been made. I would have thought it would have made sense for the answer to be yes (presuming he’s played for Celtic anyway) but with clubs having players out of contract before the game will be played they may decide to scrap it.

[flash]

Will Craig Gordon be Cup tied for the semi anyone know?

Definitely able to play. Normal rules have been suspended.

[mal]

Don’t think any decision has been made. I would have thought it would have made sense for the answer to be yes (presuming he’s played for Celtic anyway) but with clubs having players out of contract before the game will be played they may decide to scrap it.

He didn't play for Celtic in the Scottish Cup.

[Keith_M]

Admins, would it be possible to put a restriction on the amount of content somebody can put in a 'quote' from somebody else's post?

It's bad enough scrolling through threads where people have posted whole newspaper articles but it's even worse when people then quote them as part of a 'response'.






OK, I'm not being entirely serious here....



...but if you wouldn't mind checking it anyway :wink:

[Andy74]

He didn't play for Celtic in the Scottish Cup.

He's already banging on about the injustice of relegation. I wonder where he stood on Celtic being awarded the league?

[mal]

He's already banging on about the injustice of relegation. I wonder where he stood on Celtic being awarded the league?

I wonder if he gets a medal for not having played a single minute of football in this unjustly curtailed competition?

[Dr What If?]

Just a thought, but signing a championship winning manager and an international goalkeeper makes Hearts one of the more active clubs in the Scottish transfer market. On top of that they have held on to their international front line who are on a lot of pennies. Not exactly relevant to the case I know but does kind of defeat the argument that Hearts have been financially hampered by relegation?.....Legal decisions are still made by people and these moves are not exactly low profile, anyone else think this could act against them or am I just looking for reasons for optimism?

[Dalianwanda]

Just a thought, but signing a championship winning manager and an international goalkeeper makes Hearts one of the more active clubs in the Scottish transfer market. On top of that they have held on to their international front line who are on a lot of pennies. Not exactly relevant to the case I know but does kind of defeat the argument that Hearts have been financially hampered by relegation?.....Legal decisions are still made by people and these moves are not exactly low profile, anyone else think this could act against them or am I just looking for reasons for optimism?
I don’t think they are saying they are skint in the court case. Just that there shouldn’t be promotion or relegation. In terms of potential compensation I don’t think anyone knows how they worked that figure out ;-)

[FilipinoHibs]

Just a thought, but signing a championship winning manager and an international goalkeeper makes Hearts one of the more active clubs in the Scottish transfer market. On top of that they have held on to their international front line who are on a lot of pennies. Not exactly relevant to the case I know but does kind of defeat the argument that Hearts have been financially hampered by relegation?.....Legal decisions are still made by people and these moves are not exactly low profile, anyone else think this could act against them or am I just looking for reasons for optimism?

As others have said the judge will ignore the circus around the petition. He will look at the facts and how company law applies. My own feeling is that he will kick it out so it does not come back after Hearts have pursued other routes - SFA/CAS. Time to stop this circus.

[Caversham Green]

Just a thought, but signing a championship winning manager and an international goalkeeper makes Hearts one of the more active clubs in the Scottish transfer market. On top of that they have held on to their international front line who are on a lot of pennies. Not exactly relevant to the case I know but does kind of defeat the argument that Hearts have been financially hampered by relegation?.....Legal decisions are still made by people and these moves are not exactly low profile, anyone else think this could act against them or am I just looking for reasons for optimism?

If the question of compensation arises the SPFL will dispute the amount (we all know £8m is a ridiculous claim) and I would expect them to point out that HoMFC are doing nothing to mitigate their potential losses - in fact quite the opposite. I doubt if the court would look kindly on their profligacy.

[Lago]

Will Craig Gordon be Cup tied for the semi anyone know?
No free to play.

[jacomo]

And refusing to offer refunds on season tickets. Is there any other club in the country that's done that?


Their 18 home game guarantee to sell STs for next season is going to come back and bite them. There is no way they can deliver that in a shortened Championship so it will eat into future income.

[Kojock]

I don’t think they are saying they are skint in the court case. Just that there shouldn’t be promotion or relegation. In terms of potential compensation I don’t think anyone knows how they worked that figure out ;-)

They used the tried and trusted mathematical equation which ends, “Then take away the number you first thought of”

[JimBHibees]

Their 18 home game guarantee to sell STs for next season is going to come back and bite them. There is no way they can deliver that in a shortened Championship so it will eat into future income.

That has the potential to be hysterical however will probably tell fans that it is tough and they will need to move on. Suppose they could offer to include cup games as 27 league games only offers 14 home games at max. May also be in play offs :greengrin

[Stanton Spence]

Their 18 home game guarantee to sell STs for next season is going to come back and bite them. There is no way they can deliver that in a shortened Championship so it will eat into future income.I could be wrong but I don't think they stipulated league games? If not they will no doubt give season ticket holders some home league cup games and probably conjure up some friendlies and weasel themselves through it somehow, they always do. I actually hate them more than ever after this fiasco they genuinely don't care who gets bumped and that includes their own fans

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[Sammy7nil]

Their 18 home game guarantee to sell STs for next season is going to come back and bite them. There is no way they can deliver that in a shortened Championship so it will eat into future income.

Just like they bumped fans this year they will do so again without a backwards glance. They will blame SPFL and everyone else bar themselves the 400,000 fans will lap it up and donate more money which will flushed away.

[oldbutdim]

Just like they bumped fans this year they will do so again without a backwards glance. They will blame SPFL and everyone else bar themselves the 400,000 fans will lap it up and donate more money which will flushed away.

It's usually 'the vermin' who get the blame.

Some real charmers inhabit that Jambokickedoot site.
Apart from yon Kiwimug fella and a few others who are quite funny in their own way, there really are some bitter and quite aggressive wee men on there.

[Real Emerald]

Just like they bumped fans this year they will do so again without a backwards glance. They will blame SPFL and everyone else bar themselves the 400,000 fans will lap it up and donate more money which will flushed away.

Meanwhile Benny Factor ploughs in more millions to allow them to either directly or indirectly sue the whole of Scottish Football whilst still allowing them to splash the cash on new signings. On top of this they have cut wages of current players with a gun held to their heads. It’s about time these Benny Factors were banned from gifting cash sums like this which obviously gives a sporting advantage by financial doping.

As I said this cash is being either directly or indirectly used to try to cripple every other club in the SPFL and either the Benny Factor operations are banned or Hearts are permanently kicked out. Scottish football can do without this right now. Deluded cheats!

[Caversham Green]

It's usually 'the vermin' who get the blame.

Some real charmers inhabit that Jambokickedoot site.
Apart from yon Kiwimug fella and a few others who are quite funny in their own way, there really are some bitter and quite aggressive wee men on there.

Yep, the site is good for a laugh in small doses but their unique mixture of unjustified arrogance and utter stupidity soon gets tiresome.

[Waxy]

Meanwhile Benny Factor ploughs in more millions to allow them to either directly or indirectly sue the whole of Scottish Football whilst still allowing them to splash the cash on new signings. On top of this they have cut wages of current players with a gun held to their heads. It’s about time these Benny Factors were banned from gifting cash sums like this which obviously gives a sporting advantage by financial doping.

As I said this cash is being either directly or indirectly used to try to cripple every other club in the SPFL and either the Benny Factor operations are banned or Hearts are permanently kicked out. Scottish football can do without this right now. Deluded cheats!
Fans Against Bennyfactors. Its a new movement. I like it.

[oldbutdim]

Fans Against Bennyfactors. Its a new movement. I like it.

FAB!
:aok:

[Real Emerald]

FAB!
:aok:

FAB rules baby, I like it 👍👍👍

It could also double as F*** Ann Budge 😊

[oldbutdim]

FAB rules baby, I like it 👍👍👍

It could also double as F*** Ann Budge 😊


I think I'll stick to the first one.

:Ummm:

[Waxy]

Its a serious issue. They always seem to get the free money.
If a we had a mystery Benny come to offer us free money though, we’d be on our backs pretty quickly. What can you do?

[Newry Hibs]

Their 18 home game guarantee to sell STs for next season is going to come back and bite them. There is no way they can deliver that in a shortened Championship so it will eat into future income.

I'm sure it was said somewhere that they would go into the season after if needed.

[FilipinoHibs]

I'm sure it was said somewhere that they would go into the season after if needed.

Yes they could lose the revenue for up to 5 home games. I think that is their real financial loss of relegation - a 27 game season. Roughly £1 million. That would be a starting point for compensation not their £8 million.

[Jim44]

It's usually 'the vermin' who get the blame.

Some real charmers inhabit that Jambokickedoot site.
Apart from yon Kiwimug fella and a few others who are quite funny in their own way, there really are some bitter and quite aggressive wee men on there.

Personally I prefer ‘spoonburner’. It’s got a je ne sais quoi’ , ring to it.

[Onion]

Meanwhile Benny Factor ploughs in more millions to allow them to either directly or indirectly sue the whole of Scottish Football whilst still allowing them to splash the cash on new signings. On top of this they have cut wages of current players with a gun held to their heads. It’s about time these Benny Factors were banned from gifting cash sums like this which obviously gives a sporting advantage by financial doping.

As I said this cash is being either directly or indirectly used to try to cripple every other club in the SPFL and either the Benny Factor operations are banned or Hearts are permanently kicked out. Scottish football can do without this right now. Deluded cheats!

Difficult to prove that. There's absolutely no tangible evidence of any sporting advantage when it comes to Hearts. They've effectively pissed away millions on dross and rubbish, achieving the square root of zero. My issue with the Benny factor's millions is how it could have been put to so much better use spread around some of the smaller, well run clubs in Scotland - developing talent for the game and National side. Instead, he's putting more money into the likes of Craig Gordon :rolleyes:. What a waste.

Sure this is what sticks in the gullet of the smaller clubs, when they see Hearts trying to sue them for £8 MILLION.

[Ronniekirk]

Yes they could lose the revenue for up to 5 home games. I think that is their real financial loss of relegation - a 27 game season. Roughly £1 million. That would be a starting point for compensation not their £8 million.

They will do a u turn further down the line the fans are so brainwashed they seem to accept anything from Budge despite the fact she is to blame for their problems




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[CropleyWasGod]

Meanwhile Benny Factor ploughs in more millions to allow them to either directly or indirectly sue the whole of Scottish Football whilst still allowing them to splash the cash on new signings. On top of this they have cut wages of current players with a gun held to their heads. It’s about time these Benny Factors were banned from gifting cash sums like this which obviously gives a sporting advantage by financial doping.

As I said this cash is being either directly or indirectly used to try to cripple every other club in the SPFL and either the Benny Factor operations are banned or Hearts are permanently kicked out. Scottish football can do without this right now. Deluded cheats!

Is it the principle you object to, or the scale? HS and FOH donate money for no financial return...as do Hibs.net

[FilipinoHibs]

Is it the principle you object to, or the scale? HS and FOH donate money for no financial return...as do Hibs.net
The Chelsea and Man City owners are others. Just on a huge scale. We need a Hibs sugar daddy.

[Real Emerald]

Is it the principle you object to, or the scale? HS and FOH donate money for no financial return...as do Hibs.net

It’s the fact they don’t care, they spend money (badly) like it grows on trees and get no recourse when things go wrong. They are now using this position to try and cripple the whole of Scottish football whilst still paying large sums on new players and managers. Every club is facing a financial nightmare over COVID19 but they would rather further damage every other club so they could stay in the top league. Without Benny’s money they couldn’t do this and still keep spending on the never never. They never get any comeuppance for their overspending. So either directly or indirectly Benny’s money is being used to try and kill clubs if they don’t get their way.

Thankfully it will be kicked out of court but they still need to be dealt with for their disgraceful behaviour.

[Eyrie]

Yes they could lose the revenue for up to 5 home games. I think that is their real financial loss of relegation - a 27 game season. Roughly £1 million. That would be a starting point for compensation not their £8 million.

It's also easily refuted as the lower division clubs would have had several games behind closed doors if they'd started on 1 August.

In addition they haven't reduced season ticket prices to reflect the fact that they will be playing fewer league games. They can hardly claim compensation for their own decision to have an 18 game guarantee that includes free admission to a glamourous international pre-season friendly against Gateshead or a couple of home ties in the Tunnocks Caramel Wafer Cup.

[Keith_M]

Personally I prefer ‘spoonburner’. It’s got a je ne sais quoi’ , ring to it.


Incidentally, has anyone actually ever tried to burn a spoon?

After reading that expression on here a few times, I tried using a lighter under an aluminium spoon but I just couldn't get the damn thing to burn.

I guess I'm just not a real Hibby.

[SteveHFC]

Incidentally, has anyone actually ever tried to burn a spoon?

After reading that expression on here a few times, I tried using a lighter under an aluminium spoon but I just couldn't get the damn thing to burn.

I guess I'm just not a real Hibby.

Depends whats in the spoon

[Since452]

Incidentally, has anyone actually ever tried to burn a spoon?

After reading that expression on here a few times, I tried using a lighter under an aluminium spoon but I just couldn't get the damn thing to burn.

I guess I'm just not a real Hibby.

I tried the other night as selling pegs while social distancing is a nightmare. I encountered the same problem as you. Even stayed away from the smoke detector just incase but alas, it just wouldn't burn.

[Bostonhibby]

I tried the other night as selling pegs while social distancing is a nightmare. I encountered the same problem as you. Even stayed away from the smoke detector just incase but alas, it just wouldn't burn.Stick to the pegs, there's no money in burning spoons. Even if you did get one to catch fire I just can't see any one paying for the service.

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[660]

Stick to the pegs, there's no money in burning spoons. Even if you did get one to catch fire I just can't see any one paying for the service.

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Selling heather and marketing it as lucky can also lead to an increase in revenue during these difficult times.

[Keith_M]

Depends whats in the spoon


There's supposed to be something in the spoon?

Are you sure?

[Mikey]

Incidentally, has anyone actually ever tried to burn a spoon?

After reading that expression on here a few times, I tried using a lighter under an aluminium spoon but I just couldn't get the damn thing to burn.

I guess I'm just not a real Hibby.

Plastic spoons work well. I know a guy called Paddy who has loads and they burn easily.

In fact, just about everything he owns is plastic.

You wouldn't believe his nickname!

[MrSmith]

I’m not bad at spoon bending, couldn’t sell a peg for the life of me but happy to collect rag n bone :aok:

[matty_f]

Plastic spoons work well. I know a guy called Paddy who has loads and they burn easily.

In fact, just about everything he owns is plastic.

You wouldn't believe his nickname!

Smithy :agree:

[Mikey]

Smithy :agree:

Nearly.

Iron Smithy.

[Bostonhibby]

Selling heather and marketing it as lucky can also lead to an increase in revenue during these difficult times.Excellent strategy, get a heather stall set up on the Tynecastle Piazza before the court hearing?



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[HoboHarry]

Plastic spoons work well. I know a guy called Paddy who has loads and they burn easily.

In fact, just about everything he owns is plastic.

You wouldn't believe his nickname!
Wonder if Poly Styrene was ever his girlfriend? That would have given him an Identity.......

[The Count]

Strangely they think calling us spoonburners,vermin,peg sellers,hobos etc.annoys us.As yet i have not met a single Hibby that just not laughs at the insults.Says more about them than us if you ask me.

[HoboHarry]

Strangely they think calling us spoonburners,vermin,peg sellers,hobos etc.annoys us.As yet i have not met a single Hibby that just not laughs at the insults.Says more about them than us if you ask me.
That's exactly where my avatar came from on the Scotsman forum years ago. Dafties thought that the term Hobo offended us :faf:

[oldbutdim]

Strangely they think calling us spoonburners,vermin,peg sellers,hobos etc.annoys us.As yet i have not met a single Hibby that just not laughs at the insults.Says more about them than us if you ask me.

Certainly does, although adopting 'vermin' as a bit of banter doesn't annoy me as much as make me worry a wee bit that they are definitely not erm................... 'quite right in the head'.

Possibly Tommy Robinson gave them that one, sounds a bit naziesque.

[Bostonhibby]

That's exactly where my avatar came from on the Scotsman forum years ago. Dafties thought that the term Hobo offended us :faf:I'd rather be called something we're patently not - a fictitious Hobo, vermin, spoon burner, peg seller etc than actual real, true to life Poppy thieves.

A follower of a club that deliberately didn't pay for delivery of a wreath. What a stigma.

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[Since452]

I’m not bad at spoon bending, couldn’t sell a peg for the life of me but happy to collect rag n bone :aok:

Does that make Uri Geller another celebrity Hibs fan?

[oldbutdim]

Does that make Uri Geller another celebrity Hibs fan?

And by the same token............................................. ...










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[Since452]

Strangely they think calling us spoonburners,vermin,peg sellers,hobos etc.annoys us.As yet i have not met a single Hibby that just not laughs at the insults.Says more about them than us if you ask me.

I took a wee look on Rangers media after one of our usual wins at Ibrox and not only were they calling us spoon benders, they were calling us Hivs too. Very witty from fans from the drugs, Aids and spoon bending capital of Scotland.

[Logie Green]

I took a wee look on Rangers media after one of our usual wins at Ibrox and not only were they calling us spoon benders, they were calling us Hivs too. Very witty from fans from the drugs, Aids and spoon bending capital of Scotland.

You missed out wife beating. 🥊

[007]

Strangely they think calling us spoonburners,vermin,peg sellers,hobos etc.annoys us.As yet i have not met a single Hibby that just not laughs at the insults.Says more about them than us if you ask me.

It makes them sound like 12 year olds but the sad thing is many of them are grown men.

[Scooter]

So if tomorrow starts at 11am how long should it take

[PatHead]

So if tomorrow starts at 11am how long should it take

Tomorrow actually starts at midnight and lasts 24 hours. This lockdown has played havoc with our timekeeping.

[JohnMcM]

So if tomorrow starts at 11am how long should it take

Well, if tomorrow starts at 11am it should take another 13 hours before it becomes yesterday. :greengrin

[HoboHarry]

Well, if tomorrow starts at 11am it should take another 13 hours before it becomes yesterday. :greengrin
Help me oot, I'm living in the Central Time region so what will it be here? :greengrin

[FilipinoHibs]

So if tomorrow starts at 11am how long should it take

Over by 12 so the Lord can have his lunch.

[Scooter]

Tomorrow actually starts at midnight and lasts 24 hours. This lockdown has played havoc with our timekeeping.


Well, if tomorrow starts at 11am it should take another 13 hours before it becomes yesterday. :greengrin


Help me oot, I'm living in the Central Time region so what will it be here? :greengrin

Well played lads

[JohnMcM]

Well played lads


Scooter,
How did you manage to get all three quotes into one post? I don't know how to do it. Cheers.

[Coco Bryce]

Well played lads

I've always wanted to know how you multi quote too please? :greengrin

[Jim44]

Scooter,
How did you manage to get all three quotes into one post? I don't know how to do it. Cheers.

Maybe a bit of in-service training for some might be useful. :greengrin

Choose the post you want to quote and click on the quote link. ( far right link ‘quote marks’ ) Do the same for other posts you want to quote. At the final post you want to quote, click on ‘reply with quote’.

[Greenworld]

So if tomorrow starts at 11am how long should it take2 hours max according to ma lord

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[Waxy]

Scooter,
How did you manage to get all three quotes into one post? I don't know how to do it. Cheers.


I've always wanted to know how you multi quote too please? :greengrin

Multiquote which is beside quote.

[Sammy7nil]

I've always wanted to know how you multi quote too please? :greengrin

Use the wee quotation marks bottom right of the post you want to quote select as many as you like then click reply to the thread

[Jim44]

Typical of the Huns and diet Huns that they are blatantly saying that Rod Petrie’s illness is a sham and that it is designed to influence the events of the legal action. Disgraceful! :bitchy::bitchy::bitchy:

[JohnMcM]

Maybe a bit of in-service training for some might be useful. :greengrin

Choose the post you want to quote and click on the quote link. ( far right link ‘quote marks’ ) Do the same for other posts you want to quote. At the final post you want to quote, click on ‘reply with quote’.

Thanks Jim44.

[JohnMcM]

Maybe a bit of in-service training for some might be useful. :greengrin

Choose the post you want to quote and click on the quote link. ( far right link ‘quote marks’ ) Do the same for other posts you want to quote. At the final post you want to quote, click on ‘reply with quote’.


Multiquote which is beside quote.


Use the wee quotation marks bottom right of the post you want to quote select as many as you like then click reply to the thread


Excellent! Thanks all. For some time I've been here I've wanted to do that. Now I can!

Look at me MA! I'm top of the world. (With apologies to my younger forum members- ask your elders)

:greengrin

[Coco Bryce]

Use the wee quotation marks bottom right of the post you want to quote select as many as you like then click reply to the thread

:thumbsup:

[Keith_M]

Scooter,
How did you manage to get all three quotes into one post? I don't know how to do it. Cheers.


I've always wanted to know how you multi quote too please? :greengrin


Multiquote which is beside quote.




Maybe a bit of in-service training for some might be useful. :greengrin

Choose the post you want to quote and click on the quote link. ( far right link ‘quote marks’ ) Do the same for other posts you want to quote. At the final post you want to quote, click on ‘reply with quote’.



Thanks Jim44.




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What I want to know is how you do that

[Peevemor]

I don't think you can multiquote on Tapatalk. Can anyone confirm?

[Scooter]

Scooter,
How did you manage to get all three quotes into one post? I don't know how to do it. Cheers.

Sorry I was in the huff to long to reply to you :greengrin

[CentreLine]

2 hours max according to ma lord

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Multiquote which is beside quote.


I've always wanted to know how you multi quote too please? :greengrin


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What I want to know is how you do that

Aw stop it!!!! Just getting my head round the first advice :rolleyes:

[Eyrie]

2 hours max according to ma lord

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That's sixty minutes for Hearts to put their case, followed by fifty nine minutes before Lord Clark can stop laughing and finally one minute for him to dismiss the case and award full costs to the SPFL.

[Greenworld]

According to edinburgh live public can listen in to events media can watch . Anyone looked to see how

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[Rumble de Thump]

Anyone got a link to the Jambos legal challenge thread?

[Jim44]

:
Anyone got a link to the Jambos legal challenge thread?

:tsk::tsk tsk::tsk tsk

[Scooter]

2 hours max according to ma lord

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Cheers

[Keith_M]

Aw stop it!!!! Just getting my head round the first advice :rolleyes:



:greengrin

[Coco Bryce]

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What I want to know is how you do that

You've just blown my mind with that thing of beauty :greengrin

[Aldo]

I don't think you can multiquote on Tapatalk. Can anyone confirm?

Peeve, you can. Tap on the post and it brings up options. Tap more and it’ll allow you to select multi quote. Select the posts you want to multi quote then press the top right and it’ll save it

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[Alan62]

Jesus. All we need is a bunch of enthusiastic multiquoters!


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[Spike Mandela]

Many of the guys with a wee bit legal knowledge on here have been great at explaining how things are likely to go tomorrow and describing it all in easy terms for those of us who find this all a bit over our heads.

However, few of them appear to have factored in the utter madness of Scottish football and how it is perceived in the non football world. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if by this time tomorrow those among us who know a bit about company law and legal governance are scratching their heads in disbelief at any decision or legal progress made.

[oldbutdim]

Jesus. All we need is a bunch of enthusiastic multiquoters!


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I seem to recall there was one guy who used to use 'multiquote' habitually. He'd read a thread and basically quote every single post, with "I agree" or "No" or "This is not my understanding" or equally short comments.
I think he was banned, or someone murdered him or something.

[Andy74]

Many of the guys with a wee bit legal knowledge on here have been great at explaining how things are likely to go tomorrow and describing it all in easy terms for those of us who find this all a bit over our heads.

However, few of them appear to have factored in the utter madness of Scottish football and how it is perceived in the non football world. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if by this time tomorrow those among us who know a bit about company law and legal governance are scratching their heads in disbelief at any decision or legal progress made.

With Hearts in particular you are right to expect the unexpected but to be honest I can’t see it. It is now a matter of the ‘facts’ in the petition and the answer.

The one unknown of course is what was in the answer from the SPFL. I hope they’ve picked up the same legal points that were obvious from a read through.

[Peevemor]

I seem to recall there was one guy who used to use 'multiquote' habitually. He'd read a thread and basically quote every single post, with "I agree" or "No" or "This is not my understanding" or equally short comments.
I think he was banned, or someone murdered him or something.Carl Macar IIRC. I remember looking at the board over breakfast one morning and the last post on every single thread was as you've described.

[wookie70]

Any advise for multiquoting long newspaper adds.

[Lago]

Many of the guys with a wee bit legal knowledge on here have been great at explaining how things are likely to go tomorrow and describing it all in easy terms for those of us who find this all a bit over our dheads.

However, few of them appear to have factored in the utter madness of Scottish football and how it is perceived in the non football world. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if by this time tomorrow those among us who know a bit about company law and legal governance are scratching their heads in disbelief at any decision or legal progress made.
My worry exactly

[Moulin Yarns]

So if tomorrow starts at 11am how long should it take

Are the Premier league teams not having a video conference at 3pm? Getting the champagne on ice at 11.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Excellent! Thanks all. For some time I've been here I've wanted to do that. Now I can!

Look at me MA! I'm top of the world. (With apologies to my younger forum members- ask your elders)

:greengrin

That’s a (mis) quote from a 1949 film - there’s not too many elders around to ask! [emoji16]

[Sammy7nil]

I hope Hearts lose and the case is referred back to SFA tomorrow the 400,000 will be so vey vey powd of the Budgie. I expect the applause to be heard across Edinburgh as grown men stand alone clapping across the city.

Vey powd as Sir Alex might say.

[Sammy7nil]

That’s a (mis) quote from a 1949 film - there’s not too many elders around to ask! [emoji16]

You dirty rat :greengrin :wink:

[huggie1875]

That’s a (mis) quote from a 1949 film - there’s not too many elders around to ask! [emoji16]


its from the movie white heat "made it ma top of the world"

[Real Emerald]

Many of the guys with a wee bit legal knowledge on here have been great at explaining how things are likely to go tomorrow and describing it all in easy terms for those of us who find this all a bit over our heads.

However, few of them appear to have factored in the utter madness of Scottish football and how it is perceived in the non football world. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if by this time tomorrow those among us who know a bit about company law and legal governance are scratching their heads in disbelief at any decision or legal progress made.

If Hearts were to win in any capacity it would finish Scottish football, which is part of the base of their argument that clubs were only looking at it for their own interests in the way they voted. They are scheming devious bar stewards and they won’t win this one. 👍

[Mibbes Aye]

Hopefully the UK government is not so short-sighted that it is entirely focused on Covid. It has a duty, nay, a moral duty to alert our Bulgarian compadres to the risk of low-level flooding in the vicinity of balconies.

[Since452]

Is today the day then? Hopefully we're all having another chuckle at Hearts by tea time

[FilipinoHibs]

Is today the day then? Hopefully we're all having another chuckle at Hearts by tea time

Tick Tock.... they hold the world record for the number of times a team has been relegated in one season.

[bingo70]

What’s the smart money on today then?

Sounds like today ‘should’ be a formality and just a way of moving it on to the next stage of the process? Case could be booted out though if the Hearts legal eagles have made the mistakes Andy74 and others have pointed out?

If it doesn’t get locked out of court what is the next steps and what are the likely timescales? Fixtures due out on Friday so you’d think it’d need to be wrapped up pretty quickly.

[Since452]

What’s the smart money on today then?

Sounds like today ‘should’ be a formality and just a way of moving it on to the next stage of the process? Case could be booted out though if the Hearts legal eagles have made the mistakes Andy74 and others have pointed out?

If it doesn’t get locked out of court what is the next steps and what are the likely timescales? Fixtures due out on Friday so you’d think it’d need to be wrapped up pretty quickly.

I think it'll be a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's before it's moved to the next stage in the process. Hearts fans will claim it as some kind of victory.

[Waxy]

What’s the smart money on today then?

Sounds like today ‘should’ be a formality and just a way of moving it on to the next stage of the process? Case could be booted out though if the Hearts legal eagles have made the mistakes Andy74 and others have pointed out?

If it doesn’t get locked out of court what is the next steps and what are the likely timescales? Fixtures due out on Friday so you’d think it’d need to be wrapped up pretty quickly.
It wont stop the fixtures coming out.Hearts are a championship club.

[Danderhall Hibs]

What’s the smart money on today then?

Sounds like today ‘should’ be a formality and just a way of moving it on to the next stage of the process? Case could be booted out though if the Hearts legal eagles have made the mistakes Andy74 and others have pointed out?

If it doesn’t get locked out of court what is the next steps and what are the likely timescales? Fixtures due out on Friday so you’d think it’d need to be wrapped up pretty quickly.

Andy must have pre match nerves right now. Big day for him.

[Col2]

What’s the smart money on today then?

Sounds like today ‘should’ be a formality and just a way of moving it on to the next stage of the process? Case could be booted out though if the Hearts legal eagles have made the mistakes Andy74 and others have pointed out?

If it doesn’t get locked out of court what is the next steps and what are the likely timescales? Fixtures due out on Friday so you’d think it’d need to be wrapped up pretty quickly.

Logic suggests they have a weak case based on rumour and “it’s just not fair” rather than any corporate or other rules being broken.

However today is about the first step which is deciding if COS will take the case or send it back to the SFA. It will depend on the opening arguments but if the SPFL lawyers are prepped they will be disappointed if it goes to the courts at this stage. If it goes back to SFA then it’s as good as done and dusted. Hearts might declare they will go to arbitration but they would be pissing in the wind at this point.

[Springbank]

Rumuor has it that Norris MacWhirter, Roy Castle and Cheryl Baker will be there today, in spirit, to officially welcome "Hearts of Midlothian" into the Guinness Book of World Records for the greatest number of relegations in a single season (today will be the sixth time it has been confirmed) AND the most classless small dog attitude of any club in modern football

[Iggy Pope]

Carl Macar IIRC. I remember looking at the board over breakfast one morning and the last post on every single thread was as you've described.

Weststandwannab was the most prolific multi-quoter in history. He took it to a fine and utterly pointless art.

[greenginger]

Funnily enough , even after having changed the name on the Court papers from Hearts of Midlothian FC to Heart of Midlothian FC , that still isn’t their proper company name.

The Yam company name is Heart of Midlothian PLC , no mention of FC or football club.

Still , never mind , they’re famous so everyone knows who they are. :greengrin

[Keith_M]

I think it'll be a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's before it's moved to the next stage in the process. Hearts fans will claim it as some kind of victory.


Based on no knowledge of the legal system whatsoever, I think that's the most likely outcome as well.

Purely because this is Hearts, the jobbie that just won't flush.

[Keith_M]

Weststandwannab was the most prolific multi-quoter in history. He took it to a fine and utterly pointless art.


That's the fella.

[EI255]

Based on no knowledge of the legal system whatsoever, I thin that's the most likely outcome as well.

Purely because this is Hearts, the jobbie that just won't flush.Fast becoming the diarrhoea that won't flush.

They truly are this summer's pantomime. Again.

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[Since452]

Based on no knowledge of the legal system whatsoever, I thin that's the most likely outcome as well.

Purely because this is Hearts, the jobbie that just won't flush.

It really is death by a thousand cuts (or flushes).

[we are hibs]

Holy **** 😂

[McSwanky]

Holy **** 😂

Really? Beyond parody! :rolleyes:

[Eyrie]

It wont stop the fixtures coming out.Hearts are a championship club.

Nor should it.

Hearts want to take Dundee United's place in the top division, so would simply take over their fixtures. The SPFL could accommodate that by ensuring that Dundee United are away when we're at home and vice versa.

On the other hand, a devious SPFL would ensure that both Hibs and Dundee United are at home at the same time and then point out the impracticalities of shoehorning the relegated club into a division that it is not eligible for.

I don't think the SPFL will do either of those things because it's not going to lose the court case.

[oldbutdim]

Jesus. All we need is a bunch of enthusiastic multiquoters!


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No


I seem to recall there was one guy who used to use 'multiquote' habitually. He'd read a thread and basically quote every single post, with "I agree" or "No" or "This is not my understanding" or equally short comments.
I think he was banned, or someone murdered him or something.

I agree.


Carl Macar IIRC. I remember looking at the board over breakfast one morning and the last post on every single thread was as you've described.

This is not my understanding.


Weststandwannab was the most prolific multi-quoter in history. He took it to a fine and utterly pointless art.

Spot on.


That's the fella.

Yes.



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[660]

Holy **** 😂

Hahaha this has to be a wind up

[tamig]

Rumuor has it that Norris MacWhirter, Roy Castle and Cheryl Baker will be there today, in spirit, to officially welcome "Hearts of Midlothian" into the Guinness Book of World Records for the greatest number of relegations in a single season (today will be the sixth time it has been confirmed) AND the most classless small dog attitude of any club in modern football
Cheryl is still going strong.

[Sean1875]

Holy **** 😂
****ing hell. Can tell that was written by some roaster with a tear in his eye sitting in his union jack PJs.

[Sammy7nil]

Holy **** 😂

If it is not a wind up they have truly gone - the Battle of the Somme where thousands died or the Court of Session on a matter of company law WTF

[jacomo]

Really? Beyond parody! :rolleyes:


Didn’t you hear? After a merry few months bashing the Bosch they were all home by Christmas. Winners one and all.

WWI: 1914-1916 (after a decisive intervention by the most Famous football club of all time). Anything you’ve read to the contrary is fake news.

[Baader]

If it is not a wind up they have truly gone - the Battle of the Somme where thousands died or the Court of Session on a matter of company law WTF

Over a million. Obviously very comparable to Hearts spitting the dummy about being relegated when the league was called and they were bottom.

[Sammy7nil]

You can ask the court for dial in details to listen to the hearing by contacting them on [email protected]

[CentreLine]

Holy **** 😂

The Battle of the Somme, day one, where countless lives were lost (actually 57,470 British troops and around 12,000 German troops) and not one inch of territory gained. Stalemate! Over the continuing weeks a total of about seven miles of territory was gained for the loss of over a million. Not a victory then! This guy clearly knows his history 🙄

[Wakeyhibee]

Based on no knowledge of the legal system whatsoever, I think that's the most likely outcome as well.

Purely because this is Hearts, the jobbie that just won't flush.

Also, its certainly the easiest option and avoid an appeal were they to rule against either party.

[Irish_Steve]

Brokeback is going to be in meltdown today, one way or the other

[CentreLine]

Why no Match Day Thread for the Hearts of Midlothian v SPFL?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Kiwidoug Kiwidoug
Posted 14 hours ago
I know there's restrictions but can we get a dozen or do Jambos outside the court chanting here we go when our team arrives?


Here we go...to Alloa and Arbroath.to Inversneckie and Greenock, to Ayr and Dunfermline, to Kircaldy and Dumfries, to tread the road and the miles to Dundee

[Andy74]

United Kingdom Toll) Dial +44-20-7660-8149.
Access code or meeting number: 137 992 1001
When prompted press #.

[Irish_Steve]

Is it over yet?

[Sammy7nil]

it has started I am listening on dial in details :greengrin

[007]

I think the chances of reconstruction are extremely slim now and therefore, I would think, is any major meltdown over here. If they get compensation then our level of seethe will depend on how much they get. Chances are it will be undisclosed so we'll have to rely on rumours and I reckon Hearts will put out the rumour (perhaps via someone like Leslie Deans) hinting that it was a high amount (higher amount than it actually was). That said, it would come out of the prize money pot so the clubs would most likely have to be told so I can imagine the actual figure would come out into the public domain in due course.

On the flip side, no reconstruction will cause a bit of a meltdown over there, even if they get a decent amount of compensation. The level of meltdown will be inversely proportional to the level of compensation.

SPFL have 2 chances to win this. Today if it gets booted out or subsequently if it goes before the Court of Sessions and they win the argument there.