Jambos Legal Challenge

[Irish_Steve]

Ruling at 2.00pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4ke34dKWo

[Andy74]

Can you not dial in for it still?

Yes you should be able to.

[Since452]

Wonder where the meltdown will be. Here or Kickback.

[FilipinoHibs]

Jambo's closing argument was "We are here now lets just get on with this"

Sounded like Boris let's get Brexit done.

Judge to give oral ruling 2:00 pm did not expect that !

Don't want to pre-empt anything but would indicate pretty clear cut. Back to SFA. Game over.

[Heisenberg]

Wonder where the meltdown will be. Here or Kickback.

I’m not sure it’d really warrant a meltdown on here if it goes to a full trial. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen right enough 😂

[Sammy7nil]

Wonder where the meltdown will be. Here or Kickback.

Whatever way it goes the celebrations will be too much. The loser will declare a long way still to go ect :greengrin

[KeithTheHibby]

Don't want to pre-empt anything but would indicate pretty clear cut. Back to SFA. Game over.

If that is the case what happens next?

[matty_f]

I’m not sure it’d really warrant a meltdown on here if it goes to a full trial. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen right enough 😂

Yeah nothing really changes if it goes to a full hearing.

Certainly nothing you have a meltdown about.

[Sammy7nil]

Don't want to pre-empt anything but would indicate pretty clear cut. Back to SFA. Game over.

Ha they will be saying exact opposite on KB

[Sammy7nil]

If that is the case what happens next?

Moves to SFA arbitration in around 10 days time

[matty_f]

If that is the case what happens next?

A panel will decide on what should have happened, I guess.

[Stuart93]

Ha they will be saying exact opposite on KB

Aye but whatever way this goes they’ll claim it as a victory. That’s what they’ve done from the start of this.

Whether a decision has went for or against them they’ve weirdly claimed it as a victory. Some were glad recon didn’t happen so they could go to court.

[Joe6-2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4ke34dKWo

Ha ha
Great song too!

[WhileTheChief..]

If Hearts lose I can laugh, if not it’s just a shrug of the shoulders and meh. No meltdown here at all.

If you’re a Hearts fan on the other hand, there is no win today. You’re just delaying losing. Again.

[PatHead]

Ha they will be saying exact opposite on KB

Right enough. That will be why hearts are desperate for it to go to court.

Sure they will tell us it is what they wanted all along. Wee bit Trump spin.

It's the hope that kills them.

[KeithTheHibby]

Moves to SFA arbitration in around 10 days time

Which by then the fixtures will be out and we will be around 2 weeks from the start of the season. What a shambles.

[Keith_M]

So, some Old Duffer is going to deliberate over lunch and a few Sherries, get the waiter to toss a coin, and tell us the result at 2PM?

Exciting stuff.

[Irish_Steve]

What are the possible outcomes?

1) Judge throws it out completely

2) Judge says it should go to arbitration

3) Judge says it should proceed to court

4) Judge tells Steve Fulton he's still ugly?

[FilipinoHibs]

Aye but whatever way this goes they’ll claim it as a victory. That’s what they’ve done from the start of this.

Whether a decision has went for or against them they’ve weirdly claimed it as a victory. Some were glad recon didn’t happen so they could go to court.

They will win the SFA hearing if not the CAS. Lose that then European Court of Human Rights. Then on to the United Nations. By that time next season will be over and they will be promoted and claim victory.

[Pete]

Is there anyone else out there who doesn't have the faintest clue about what's going on?

Are we going to have a screaming man in handcuffs being taken away after this or what?

[Billy Whizz]

Is there anyone else out there who doesn't have the faintest clue about what's going on?

Are we going to have a screaming man in handcuffs being taken away after this or what?

Or a woman

[Stuart93]

Anyone who’s been listening got any idea what way it could go?

[seanshow]

So, some Old Duffer is going to deliberate over lunch and a few Sherries, get the waiter to toss a coin, and tell us the result at 2PM?

Exciting stuff.



Perhaps spin the bottle...... of Chateau Lafite

[scoopyboy]

What's the best possible news Hearts could get?

Could the judge reinstate them to the top division?

Could the judge award them compensation?

If the answer to those two questions is no then they have nothing to celebrate, or is that an over simplification?

[04Sauzee]

What are the possible outcomes?

1) Judge throws it out completely

2) Judge says it should go to arbitration

3) Judge says it should proceed to court

4) Judge tells Steve Fulton he's still ugly?

Is 1 an option keep hearing 2 or 3 are the only possibilities?

[Sammy7nil]

Aye but whatever way this goes they’ll claim it as a victory. That’s what they’ve done from the start of this.

Whether a decision has went for or against them they’ve weirdly claimed it as a victory. Some were glad recon didn’t happen so they could go to court.

Over on KB they are doing this for all of Scottish football and they are Fiercely proud of their club :tee hee::tee hee::tee hee::spammy:

[Since452]

Hearts fans seem to think they're winning this

[ancient hibee]

No court has the authority to order the SPFL which clubs should play a n which league.

[Sammy7nil]

Anyone who’s been listening got any idea what way it could go?

I would say no one knows however the speed of the decision may suggest he would not want to be setting a president and well refer this to arbitration. However that is just a guess.

[Irish_Steve]

Is 1 an option keep hearing 2 or 3 are the only possibilities?

That's why I was asking - has he the authority just to dismiss the whole thing?

[BroxburnHibee]

What's the best possible news Hearts could get?

Could the judge reinstate them to the top division?

Could the judge award them compensation?

If the answer to those two questions is no then they have nothing to celebrate, or is that an over simplification?

That isn't being decided today.

The judge can either refer it back to the SFA for arbitration. Or he can chuck it out completely. Or he can decide its best to deal with it in court.

I've listened to most of it and have no idea what way it will go :greengrin

[Stuart93]

Hearts fans seem to think they're winning this

Of course they do.

They were winning league reconstruction as well mind? And if not it was being pushed through?

They’ve spoke so much nonsense on JKB I can’t fathom why anyone would go on there for info on this.

Also worth pointing out there nothing to be won today

[BroxburnHibee]

That's why I was asking - has he the authority just to dismiss the whole thing?

I was under the impression thats what the SPFL lawyer was arguing for but having listened to most of it, it seemed more like they were pushing for arbitration.

[Irish_Steve]

That isn't being decided today.

The judge can either refer it back to the SFA for arbitration. Or he can chuck it out completely. Or he can decide its best to deal with it in court.

I've listened to most of it and have no idea what way it will go :greengrin

So he can chuck it out completely? Here's hoping - would that means the Jumbos would be liable for costs?

[Ozyhibby]

What's the best possible news Hearts could get?

Could the judge reinstate them to the top division?

Could the judge award them compensation?

If the answer to those two questions is no then they have nothing to celebrate, or is that an over simplification?

I honestly think that the best they can hope for is the judge sends it back to the SFA and Hearts decide not to pursue it. They can claim to their more mental fans that it’s pointless because they won’t get a fair hearing and they done their best.


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[Caversham Green]

What's the best possible news Hearts could get?

Could the judge reinstate them to the top division?

Could the judge award them compensation?

If the answer to those two questions is no then they have nothing to celebrate, or is that an over simplification?

The answer to the first question is that the judge could say it will be heard in the Court of Session (costing everyone a lot more money).

The answer to the other three questions is 'No'.

[weecounty hibby]

Hearts fans seem to think they're winning this

They also thought they had won the league in October 2018! They are fuds. No one really has any idea how this will go. Loads of different opinions. Except in the cult of jambos kickedoot if course where there is no dissenting voices

[BroxburnHibee]

I'm not sure of the process, anyone know if there can be an appeal to the decision today whatever way it goes?

[Brightside]

Based on the minutes (from JKB) it would be hard for the Judge to rule for anything but Arbitration.

[Del Boy]

I was under the impression thats what the SPFL lawyer was arguing for but having listened to most of it, it seemed more like they were pushing for arbitration.


I think the Dundee Utd QC was asking for it to be thrown out completely, SPFL say should go to SFA, Hearts want it to go to court

if it goes to court it will be take place in two weeks time, anyone think an out of court settlement will be reached before then? Ie compensation or reconstruction

[BroxburnHibee]

I think the Dundee Utd QC was asking for it to be thrown out completely, SPFL say should go to SFA, Hearts want it to go to court

if it goes to court it will be take place in two weeks time, anyone think an out of court settlement will be reached before then? Ie compensation or reconstruction

Thanks. I got it the wrong way round :greengrin

[Since452]

Based on the minutes (from JKB) it would be hard for the Judge to rule for anything but Arbitration.

Would that be a good or bad thing for Hearts?

[RoYO!]

What are the possible outcomes?

1) Judge throws it out completely

2) Judge says it should go to arbitration

3) Judge says it should proceed to court

4) Judge tells Steve Fulton he's still ugly?

Does the judge have the authority to book Stevie Fulton for said offence?

[weecounty hibby]

I think the Dundee Utd QC was asking for it to be thrown out completely, SPFL say should go to SFA, Hearts want it to go to court

if it goes to court it will be take place in two weeks time, anyone think an out of court settlement will be reached before then? Ie compensation or reconstruction
Reconstruction won't happen, there is no appetite for it from anyone except those that it will benefit. It would need to go to yet another vote and could drag in for weeks again. Not happening

[Stuart93]

I honestly think that the best they can hope for is the judge sends it back to the SFA and Hearts decide not to pursue it. They can claim to their more mental fans that it’s pointless because they won’t get a fair hearing and they done their best.


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Oh yes that’ll feed right into their victim mentality

[007 Mickey Weir]

How will court differ from today?

[Brightside]

I think the Dundee Utd QC was asking for it to be thrown out completely, SPFL say should go to SFA, Hearts want it to go to court

if it goes to court it will be take place in two weeks time, anyone think an out of court settlement will be reached before then? Ie compensation or reconstruction

If it was to go to court I would hope the SFA would then expel Hearts from Scottish Football. Its only fair.

[weecounty hibby]

If it was to go to court I would hope the SFA would then expel Hearts from Scottish Football. Its only fair.
Hear hear. I nominate you for SPFL lead council if that happens

[Pete]

The judge was overheard moaning about how they couldn't go to the Toby carvery for lunch.

That's it, we're screwed.

[scoopyboy]

The answer to the first question is that the judge could say it will be heard in the Court of Session (costing everyone a lot more money).

The answer to the other three questions is 'No'.

Thanks CG.

[Irish_Steve]

The judge was overheard moaning about how they couldn't go to the Toby carvery for lunch.

That's it, we're screwed.

I certainly hope the Judge is gonna carve up some yams

[Forza Fred]

Decision being handed down at 2pm

[Andy74]

How will court differ from today?

It would actually get into the detail of the petition itself and whether the clubs have a case. This was just 3 days of arguing about whether it should go to arbitration or court. The merits of the facts were only touched upon to give context as to the practicalities of where it goes next.

The Dundee vote was mentioned a few times. The SPFL this time elaborated on the fact that all the noise didn't matter as a written resolution only required support or not within the 28 days.

This is the sort of thing that would actually get debated at court.

The second aspect of this morning was about documents. Hearts and Partick amongst other things were looking for all sorts of documents to prove that clubs had made investments since knowing they were to be promoted. The respondents are saying that they will be commercially sensitive - Hearts taking the Utd manager was noted as showing there was a direct competitive aspect.

[Since452]

So I'm guessing anything other than it going to open court is bad for Hearts? Even then they could have their SFA license revoked?

[Irish_Steve]

Bugger, it`s a foregone conclusion:


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[BroxburnHibee]

Bugger, it`s a foregone conclusion:


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Our lucks going to change today. Is it too early to predict my bet. Hearts to finish top 4 in the premiership and qualify for Europe next season Hope you didn’t throw they betting slips away in anger

Thats gotta be an undercover agent

[Andymac85]

Maybe I’m just being pessimistic, but I think this is going to go for them. If it does go to court though, what are they actually hoping for at that stage? The court can’t force reconstruction. Perhaps they could declare the vote to end the season void. If so, I’d fully expect the SPFL to just arrange another vote. Therefore is the only realistic outcome if Hearts win today a negotiation around damages?

[Pete]

I certainly hope the Judge is gonna carve up some yams

Hope so.

FFS hurry up, Judge Rinder deals with stuff like this in a grand total of ten minutes!

[Andy74]

So I'm guessing anything other than it going to open court is bad for Hearts? Even then they could have their SPFL license revoked?

They will lose in court anyway so no real bad outcome from today either way.

The SPFL lawyer did confirm again that something for the judge to think about was that if they were allowed to go to court then putting the clubs out of business by the disciplinary action that would follow was a possible consequence.

[hibeerealist]

That's why I was asking - has he the authority just to dismiss the whole thing?

Yes Lord Clark can dismiss if that is what he decides.

Listened to most of the proceedings today and if I was a betting man...................Dismissed!

[Andy74]

Maybe I’m just being pessimistic, but I think this is going to go for them. If it does go to court though, what are they actually hoping for at that stage? The court can’t force reconstruction. Perhaps they could declare the vote to end the season void. If so, I’d fully expect the SPFL to just arrange another vote. Therefore is the only realistic outcome if Hearts win today a negotiation around damages?

The court is limited to what Hearts asked for - stopping promotion and relegation or otherwise compensating the relegated clubs.

[Ronniekirk]

Ronnie, it's 'on tenterhooks', not 'on tender hooks'!


:grr:


I would prefer hanging a few I know up on Meat Hooks with there nonsense just now
But I accept my reprimand Ma Laud


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[scoopyboy]

Bugger, it`s a foregone conclusion:


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Our lucks going to change today. Is it too early to predict my bet. Hearts to finish top 4 in the premiership and qualify for Europe next season Hope you didn’t throw they betting slips away in anger

Did he say if we finished third? :greengrin

[Andymac85]

The court is limited to what Hearts asked for - stopping promotion and relegation or otherwise compensating the relegated clubs.

Stopping promotion and relegation would cause complete uproar and they would be shooting themselves in the foot indefinitely. Not to mention the fact that it would prove their whole ‘nobody should lose out in this’ to be total bluster.

[FilipinoHibs]

Thats gotta be an undercover agent

No genuine Jambo. Dean's mouth piece on KickBack.

[Springbank]

Does the judge have the authority to book Stevie Fulton for said offence?

Yes, citing precedent...

[Tug Wilson]

Bugger, it`s a foregone conclusion:


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Our lucks going to change today. Is it too early to predict my bet. Hearts to finish top 4 in the premiership and qualify for Europe next season Hope you didn’t throw they betting slips away in anger

What was his prediction for Hearts in season 2019/20 just gone? Bet it wasn't 12th.

[Hibs Class]

Is this afternoon's Court access code the same as this morning's?

[BroxburnHibee]

No genuine Jambo. Dean's mouth piece on KickBack.

Says who? Him?

[WhileTheChief..]

Ronnie, it's 'on tenterhooks', not 'on tender hooks'!


:grr:


Nice one. Learning lots on this thread recently.

Didn’t even know there was such a thing as a tenterhook.

[BroxburnHibee]

Is this afternoon's Court access code the same as this morning's?

Assuming so. Nothing new on Court website.

[Skol]

If this goes to arbitration just wait for the accusation of corruption.

The new definition being not a proper hearts outcome.

[Pete]

Not long now.

Corner at the school end and the big men are in the box.

[BroxburnHibee]

Back live now

[matty_f]

Back live now

‘Mon the SPFL!

[Aldo]

Ssssshhhhh!


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[Skol]

Kickbacks down. Did they lose?

[The 90+2]

Kickbacks down. Did they lose?

Judge ruling just now.

[MrSmith]

Ssssshhhhh!


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Iiiiiiiittttt?
😬

[Pete]

What about this weather, eh?

[BS44]

What about this weather, eh?

Bloody gas engineer never turned up

[Hillsidehibby]

I got on KB for a moment before it crashed again. They are bricking it.

[Aldo]

Iiiiiiiittttt?
[emoji51]

[emoji23] quiet at the back please sssshhhhh


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[SouthMoroccoStu]

Kickbacks down. Did they lose?

They use the same wifi as their solicitor

[I'm_cabbaged]

What about this weather, eh?

Let’s hope it’s miserable for a while down Gorgie way

[The Spaceman]

I got on KB for a moment before it crashed again. They are bricking it.

Same here. They are utterly bricking it.

[JeMeSouviens]

Think this judge should be self-isolating tbh.

[Springbank]

Kickbacks down. Did they lose?

Everything about Hearts is down, it seems

[Ozyhibby]

Going to court would be better for wasting the yams money but it would be funny if it gets chucked out today.


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[MrSmith]

[emoji23] quiet at the back please sssshhhhh


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🙏😆

[hibbysam]

Think this judge should be self-isolating tbh.

Doing my head in 😂

[CapitalGreen]

Sounds like it’s going back to court

[Dashing Bob S]

Send em down! (Part three)

[matty_f]

Sounds like it’s going back to court

Will be interesting to see how it pans out on a full hearing then.

[The 90+2]

Sounds like it’s going back to court

Yep.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Some **** on kick back has put up one of they weird pleasing things?

[Andy74]

Dismissal of case ruled out.

[tamig]

Which by then the fixtures will be out and we will be around 2 weeks from the start of the season. What a shambles.

Still not sure folk are getting hung up about the fixtures.

[Brightside]

Dismissal of case ruled out.

That was expected.

[nonshinyfinish]

Dismissal of case ruled out.

Is that ruling out dismissing it outright (if that was possible?) or ruling out bouncing it to SFA arbitration?

[Springbank]

That was expected.

Yeah was it dufc wanted dismissal whereas spfl said "it should go to sfa" and hearts said "it should go to court"

[The 90+2]

Think their case just got kicked out and it’s for the SFA to deal with it?

[hibbysam]

Is that ruling out dismissing it outright (if that was possible?) or ruling out bouncing it to SFA arbitration?

Dismissing it outright. Sounds very likely it is going to arbitration.

[Aim Here]

Is that ruling out dismissing it outright (if that was possible?) or ruling out bouncing it to SFA arbitration?

I'm under the impression it would be the United motion to Punt it to the SFA, but dismiss it from the Court of Session so it never comes back.

The SPFL moved to punt it to the SFA but suspend it from the Court; when the SFA rules, the Court can deal with whatever the SFA did.

Hearts just don't want it punted to the SFA at all.

Ruling for 'no dismissal' means, I expect, knocking back the first option (maybe there was an additional 'bin this case right now' motion, but it doesn't sound like it to me).

[Andy74]

Judge - all clubs are agreed on articles and rules that bind them - it is a football dispute and the rules can be relied upon. Arbitration is capable of being performed in this case. Therefore, required to grant that it goes to arbitration.

Hearts days in court ends here.

[BroxburnHibee]

Arbitration it is.

Question is will Hearts bother :greengrin

[Greenworld]

Judge - all clubs are agreed on articles and rules that bind them - it is a football dispute and the rules can be relied upon. Arbitration is capable of being performed in this case. Therefore, required to grant that it goes to arbitration.

Hearts days in court ends here.Does that mean no 8 million

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[Del Boy]

Arbitration it is.

Question is will Hearts bother :greengrin

Confirmed??

[Keith_M]

So, no more legal action and go to the SFA?

[The 90+2]

Confirmed??

Yeah.

[Mikey]

Judge - all clubs are agreed on articles and rules that bind them - it is a football dispute and the rules can be relied upon. Arbitration is capable of being performed in this case. Therefore, required to grant that it goes to arbitration.

Hearts days in court ends here.

Cheers Andy. Clear and to the point.

[DaveF]

Saughton Jambo 😂

[nonshinyfinish]

Judge - all clubs are agreed on articles and rules that bind them - it is a football dispute and the rules can be relied upon. Arbitration is capable of being performed in this case. Therefore, required to grant that it goes to arbitration.

Hearts days in court ends here.

Boom?

[Pete]

Pleasing.

[wallpaperman]

Yes, they have played their last chip and lost it. :flag:

[Waxy]

Chuck em to the lions.

[Skol]

Interdict. Stop the fixtures.

[Kato]

Saughton Jambo [emoji23]He's a Getitwrongaholic.

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[Barney McGrew]

Kickback will a hoot today.

I wonder how long it will take them to spin this as a victory for Hertz :greengrin

[Since452]

Hahaha

[FilipinoHibs]

Saughton Jambo 😂

Binned to the SFA. Hearts binned again.

[lord bunberry]

That can’t be right, they had an open and shut case that was going to blow the SPFL to pieces and expose the corruption in Scottish football.

[BH Hibs]

Another relegation party my liver can't take it.

[Kato]

Interdict. Stop the fixtures.Their pram is running out of toys.

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[Stuart93]

Nothing won yet mind you. But it’s better going where it’s going.

[Brightside]

Poor Hearts. Feel really sorry for them. :greengrin

[Joe6-2]

Boom?

And Boom again!

[greenginger]

Judge - all clubs are agreed on articles and rules that bind them - it is a football dispute and the rules can be relied upon. Arbitration is capable of being performed in this case. Therefore, required to grant that it goes to arbitration.

Hearts days in court ends here.

How did that take 3 days. ?

Did he mention the award of costs. :cb

[Saint Hibee]

Kickback won't let me on. That's really taken the fun out of my day.

[Prof. Shaggy]

If Hearts don't like the outcome of arbitration can they bring it back to court?

[bingo70]

Can they still present a case to try and win this £10m or is it now a case of stopping relegation or nothing?

[Brightside]

I'm assuming Hearts have to pay all costs for this too.

[Real Emerald]

Where’s Tom English gone? 🤣

[matty_f]

Saughton Jambo 😂

He’s 100% at the wind up. He’s strung them all along magnificently.

[Vault Boy]

Hahahaha.

Haha.

Ha.

£8m quid.

[gazzag70]

What a shame 😂😂😂😂🇳🇬🇳🇬

[erin go bragh]

Judge - all clubs are agreed on articles and rules that bind them - it is a football dispute and the rules can be relied upon. Arbitration is capable of being performed in this case. Therefore, required to grant that it goes to arbitration.

Hearts days in court ends here.
So Hearts and Thistle have broke SFA rules and should be rightly punished.

[Since452]

Kickback in lockdown

[RoYO!]

So exactly how many times have they been relegated again?!

Its the relegation that just keeps on giving! Haha

[JeMeSouviens]

Nothing won yet mind you. But it’s better going where it’s going.

The shadow of the dreaded Lord Nimmo Smith looms large ...

:shocked:

[Cammy]

Round one to SPFL

[Pete]

A Budge statement please.

[Monts]

Does this now give the SPFL grounds to place sanctions?

If the judge had allowed it to go to court, it could be argued that they didn't need to go to arbitration as it wasn't a 'footballing' matter. But the judge has upheld the SPFL rules, so SPFL well within rights to hammer them?

[Stuart93]

What does this mean for their compensation claim? Does anyone know?

[lucky]

I’m worried what the SFA might do. I’d rather it went to court and cost them thousands and they lost

[JeMeSouviens]

So Hearts and Thistle have broke SFA rules and should be rightly punished.

Lord Clark did a bit of tut-tutting about this, said these SFA rules might be unlawful. Sounded like a nod and a wink to anyone punished by them to take it to court.

[Seveno]

Budge is now demanding a reconstruction of the Court System.

[Irish_Steve]

He’s 100% at the wind up. He’s strung them all along magnificently.

The whole point is that he is a total bona fide Hearts fan, he just keeps getting it wrong, a common theme amongst the maroon balloons

[danhibees1875]

Kickback in lockdown

For disease containment purposes?

[Not In The Know]

So have Hearts been relegated 3 times this season?

[scottish_sleepy]

He’s 100% at the wind up. He’s strung them all along magnificently.

This needs a special edition of Longbangers :-)

[oldbutdim]

Well, if that judge ever wants to buy or sell a house, I know one estate agent who will not be helpful.
:nerd:

[Don Giovanni]

It's my birthday today and this is the present I was hoping for!

:greengrin:

[Real Emerald]

Does this now give the SPFL grounds to place sanctions?

If the judge had allowed it to go to court, it could be argued that they didn't need to go to arbitration as it wasn't a 'footballing' matter. But the judge has upheld the SPFL rules, so SPFL well within rights to hammer them?

So they should be hammered, look at the grief they’ve brought to Scottish Football with their deluded self interest. Now for the good of the game let the big league begin. 😊

[Saint Hibee]

Although they're way too arrogant and deluded to see it, this is probably the best result for them long term. They now won't waste hundreds of thousands on a court case they're doomed to lose, and might actually get around to sorting out their football team for October.

[tomf]

Will Hearts be taking their case for expulsion to the SFA? I hope they win that one; I was happy with them being relegated but if they insist. Cheerio.

One wonders if Partick will continue in this farce.

[JeMeSouviens]

The whole point is that he is a total bona fide Hearts fan, he just keeps getting it wrong, a common theme amongst the maroon balloons

It's Leslie Deans isn't it? Or one of his younger family members that can work a pc. :wink:

[danhibees1875]

So have Hearts been relegated 3 times this season?

No, they were expelled, demoted, and linearly dropped.

[04Sauzee]

They seem to think they go to arbitration then back to court? Can that happen?

[A Hi-Bee]

Where’s Tom English gone? 🤣

Poor Tam will be busy typing up his spin on a dreadful decision for mankind and such, ****ing prick that he is.

Boom ****in Boom ****in Boom
Is that them finished for ever now.

:flag::flag::flag:

[MurrayfieldHibs]

It's my birthday today and this is the present I was hoping for!

:greengrin:

Happy birthday buddy:thumbsup: were you planning a few drinks tonight?
:flag:

[Jack]

Lord Clark did a bit of tut-tutting about this, said these SFA rules might be unlawful. Sounded like a nod and a wink to anyone punished by them to take it to court.

Is that like the bench in a friendly getting the wink from the ref before he sends off the defensive midfielder?

[penihibs]

This is no fair, we're the famous!!
Our Hearts are broken💔💔

[CallumLaidlaw]

Judge - all clubs are agreed on articles and rules that bind them - it is a football dispute and the rules can be relied upon. Arbitration is capable of being performed in this case. Therefore, required to grant that it goes to arbitration.

Hearts days in court ends here.

Right so,
Is arbitration much different than court regarding possible outcomes?
Can Hearts still go for an Interdict?
What happens next?


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[JeMeSouviens]

What's the "recovery of documents" stuff about?

[Keith_M]

So are they still saying "Boom!" on Oneleagueback?

[Tug Wilson]

Safest path for the court. Now the SFA are fully involved. The practical way forward is to press on with the Premiership as is on 1 August, but Hearts & PT offered some form of enhanced parachute payment as compensation. Suspect these payments will only reach £1m if you add them together!

Hearts & PT could reject this and look to go back to court. However, traditionally courts take a dim view of this. Chance that even if that side win in court, they only get the same compensation and then that gets wiped out by expenses.

[nonshinyfinish]

So have Hearts been relegated 3 times this season?

Must be more than that?

1a: Dundee vote to end the lower leagues
1b: Second vote to end the Prem (counting these as one)

2: Sevco dossier vote

3: Zoom call with Leeann et al. torpedoing their first reconstruction plan

4: Indicative vote on the second reconstruction plan

5: Emptied by the Court of Session

Any more?

[RoYO!]

I’m worried what the SFA might do. I’d rather it went to court and cost them thousands and they lost

The SFA simply can't do anything which calls into question their rules and membership.

Hearts have quite simply attacked this and the members and will be rightly hammered.

A bit of fun for us. But caused no end of undue stress on dozens of people.

They lost any sense of "poor them" weeks ago with their unhinged rants and actions. They have literally served papers on others clubs- simply disgraceful.

They have brought this on themselves from day 1.

You will not be missed. Cheerio.

[Lunatic]

Judge - all clubs are agreed on articles and rules that bind them - it is a football dispute and the rules can be relied upon. Arbitration is capable of being performed in this case. Therefore, required to grant that it goes to arbitration.

Hearts days in court ends here.

Hmm, pardon my ignorance, but this seems like really obvious, simple **** my 8yr old nephew could have told us. Am I missing something?

[Aldo]

Judge - all clubs are agreed on articles and rules that bind them - it is a football dispute and the rules can be relied upon. Arbitration is capable of being performed in this case. Therefore, required to grant that it goes to arbitration.

Hearts days in court ends here.

Andy the voice of reason the last few days. Thanks for the updates. Last few days.


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[Rumble de Thump]

Did Budge not make it clear to the judge that she hadn't read the rules and, therefore, she didn't agree to them and they don't apply to her?

[Don Giovanni]

Happy birthday buddy:thumbsup: were you planning a few drinks tonight?
:flag:

Thank you Sir.

Yes, I think I may enjoy a dram or two.

:thumbsup:

[Sammy7nil]

If Hearts don't like the outcome of arbitration can they bring it back to court?

Yes but if they don't accept arbitration outcome they will return to court with a very weak case :aok:

SPFL one up after the away leg. :greengrin

[poolman]

He’s 100% at the wind up. He’s strung them all along magnificently.


Any word from SJ's pal, the top conveyancing solicitor

[steviehibsleith]

Take Your Medicine ........... :flag:

[hibbysam]

He’s now greeting about expenses, ****ting himself about the costs they may incur 😂

[SunshineOnLeith]

Hmm, pardon my ignorance, but this seems like really obvious, simple **** my 8yr old nephew could have told us. Am I missing something?

Not at all, it really is that simple.

[Keith_M]

:nanasplit: :nanafunk:


Boom, boom boom,
...shake the room!

Boom, boom boom,
...dodgy Zoom!


:banana:


:nanawave:

[CB_NO3]

Cheers for the 50k Jimmy.

[WhileTheChief..]

He’s 100% at the wind up. He’s strung them all along magnificently.

I thought the same yet there are plenty on there who vouch for him.

More likely he’s just a typically thick Hearts fan.

[Since452]

And I bet the idiots have already spent the 8 million compensation on something

[Brightside]

Right so,
Is arbitration much different than court regarding possible outcomes?
Can Hearts still go for an Interdict?
What happens next?


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No. They've been told to stop coming to court with something that can be ruled over by the SFA. Judge clearly tells them these are football matters.

[Topographic Hibby]

What happens next?Yet another game of Budge Statement Bingo. I'm going for...

- "unfair" - at least 17
- "relegation" - nil
- "found in our favour" - 3
- "where is Arbroath?" - nil
- exclamation marks - too many to count....

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Ya dancer, will done Tom Jamboish, Sughton Jambo, Lord p!shy breeks, Lesley Deans and all the Sportsound presenters.

You all played a blinder in stringing those idiots along. I salute your indifaticability.

:bye:

:hibees

[erin go bragh]

So basically Hearts just went 1-0 in injury time but lost 2 late goals and now could be looking at sanctions by the SFA for breaking association rules . Which could include a fine of 1m ,expulsion from the Scottish cup and a signing embargo .

[Not In The Know]

Must be more than that?

1a: Dundee vote to end the lower leagues
1b: Second vote to end the Prem (counting these as one)

2: Sevco dossier vote

3: Zoom call with Leeann et al. torpedoing their first reconstruction plan

4: Indicative vote on the second reconstruction plan

5: Emptied by the Court of Session

Any more?


So have Hearts been relegated 6 times this season?

[Numptie]

If you enter into arbitration the sides both agree that the findings of arbitration are binding - that's how arbitration works. You can only challenge an arbitration finding on a point of law.

[Kojock]

I thought the same yet there are plenty on there who vouch for him.

More likely he’s just a typically thick Hearts fan.

Only a Hear7s fan would admit to being mates with Leslie Deans.

[CallumLaidlaw]

So basically Hearts just went 1-0 in injury time but lost 2 late goals and now could be looking at sanctions by the SFA for breaking association rules . Which could include a fine of 1m ,expulsion from the Scottish cup and a signing embargo .

The judge hinted that may be unlawful


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[Scott Allan Key]

Safest path for the court. Now the SFA are fully involved. The practical way forward is to press on with the Premiership as is on 1 August, but Hearts & PT offered some form of enhanced parachute payment as compensation. Suspect these payments will only reach £1m if you add them together!

Hearts & PT could reject this and look to go back to court. However, traditionally courts take a dim view of this. Chance that even if that side win in court, they only get the same compensation and then that gets wiped out by expenses.Why on earth should they get anymore money than they already do for finishing 12th? Is it right for them to get more money than clubs finishing above them in the league? No! They're ****, and they deserve relegation. That's it. Like everyone else, they must live with the unfortunate effects of Corona virus, and not exploit the situation for financial gain.

They already have a benefactor and have hired a new manager and ex-Celtic goalie. They deserve no more money.

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[JeMeSouviens]

No. They've been told to stop coming to court with something that can be ruled over by the SFA. Judge clearly tells them these are football matters.

Well, not quite. He said it's a matter of company law but both sides are signed up to arbitration and the SFA has plenty of legal expertise among its abitrators.

[hibbyfraelibby]

No, they were expelled, demoted, and linearly dropped.

...add to that lust Summarilly Dismissed

[bingo70]

No. They've been told to stop coming to court with something that can be ruled over by the SFA. Judge clearly tells them these are football matters.

Are all the possible outcomes the same in the arbitration as they would be in a normal court?

[Since452]

Right so,
Is arbitration much different than court regarding possible outcomes?
Can Hearts still go for an Interdict?
What happens next?


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It's like your five year old going to the police because your Mrs put them on the naughty step. The police have said "actually this is really something your father can sort out". They'll get a slap on the wrist and told to stop acting like a baby.

[Irish_Steve]

Oh dear, there's a LOT of seethe on Brokeback - pleasing lol

[Bronson]

The good guys win again, i’ll drink to that

[MurrayfieldHibs]

Yet another game of Budge Statement Bingo. I'm going for...

- "unfair" - at least 17
- "relegation" - nil
- "found in our favour" - 3
- "where is Arbroath?" - nil
- exclamation marks - too many to count....

expelled
expunged
sair fecht

[Andy74]

Hearts and Partick to pay the SPFL expenses at 50% but not the defending clubs.

[CapitalGreen]

Hearts and Partick having to pay 50% of SPFL expenses

[JeMeSouviens]

Hearts, PT, DU&co to pay their own costs.

Hearts to pay 50% of SPFL's. :lolyam:

[banchoryhibs]

Will they now be penalised by the SFA for taking legal action in the first place? A significant fine perhaps?

[stoneyburn hibs]

I'm on a balcony in Bulgaria.....

[Since452]

Oh dear, there's a LOT of seethe on Brokeback - pleasing lol

Times like this I was I wasn't banned

[nonshinyfinish]

Hearts and Partick to pay the SPFL expenses at 50% but not the defending clubs.

Any reasoning given for not having to pay the respondents' expenses? Seems unfair.

[007]

Slammed by the judge. On one hand Hearts complaining in their petition about sporting integrity and on the other hand saying it isn't a football related matter. 😂😂😂

[Mikey]

Hearts, PT, DU&co to pay their own costs.

Hearts to pay 50% of SPFL's. :lolyam:

Hopefully that bit is covered by the SPFL.

[Stuart93]

I'm on a balcony in Bulgaria.....

I’m outside the west stand

[Pete]

It's apparently not over because Hearts have won the right to have all the documents released.

😂

[ronaldo7]

Mrs Bodge has presided over the mother of all court battles.

It was said that she was an astute business woman.:rolleyes: In life, you pick the battles you can win, and are not persuaded by those on the side lines, screaming at you to take them to the cleaners.

She's really a pound shop Deborah Meaden, (Sorry Deborah) :greengrin

[Since452]

I'm on a balcony in Bulgaria.....

I heard some of them are away to socially distanced solo clap outside the Hearts QC's house tonight. Pwoud.

[bringbackbenny]

Hearts, PT, DU&co to pay their own costs.

Hearts to pay 50% of SPFL's. :lolyam:

Why should DU and co have to pay their own costs, they had no option to defend court proceedings that should never have been started?

[zitelli62]

My heart was broken my heart was broken sorrow sorrow sorrow sorrow.
Happy day indeed.

[JeMeSouviens]

Any reasoning given for not having to pay the respondents' expenses? Seems unfair.

SPFL went for suspension & arbitration - succeeded.
DU etc also went for dismissal of case - failed.

[Andy74]

Any reasoning given for not having to pay the respondents' expenses? Seems unfair.

There were 3 issues at hand in this hearing - Hearts won 2, the clubs won 1.

The SPFL didn't join the dismissal action and so they were 1 -1.

[Alfred E Newman]

Thank you M'lord. Enjoy your weekend.

[Irish_Steve]

Bugger, it`s a foregone conclusion:


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Our lucks going to change today. Is it too early to predict my bet. Hearts to finish top 4 in the premiership and qualify for Europe next season Hope you didn’t throw they betting slips away in anger



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Appreciate the positivity, but you’re wrong again SJ.

[CapitalGreen]

It's apparently not over because Hearts have won the right to have all the documents released.

😂

Yeah but they have to stay confidential and the arbitration hearing is held in private 😂😂😂

[greenginger]

The judge hinted that may be unlawful


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It would only be unlawful if found to be excessive .

The SFA regularly impose fines and sanctions. Are all these illegal ?

They should be hit hard and if they don’t like , let them go back to court.

[CapitalGreen]

Why should DU and co have to pay their own costs, they had no option to defend court proceedings that should never have been started?

Because they asked for a dismissal which was rejected as being without merit and tried to prevent the release of docs. If they’d just asked for a sist along with the SPFL they would have had the majority of their fees paid.

[murray26]

A little bit a fairness for a change.. delighted😊

[nonshinyfinish]

SPFL went for suspension & arbitration - succeeded.
DU etc also went for dismissal of case - failed.

Ah, makes sense.

[Greenworld]

Budge is now demanding a reconstruction of the Court System.
It would only be unlawful if found to be excessive .

The SFA regularly impose fines and sanctions. Are all these illegal ?

They should be hit hard and if they don’t like , let them go back to court.If i heard correct sfa can fine up to 1 million

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[jacomo]

Yet another game of Budge Statement Bingo. I'm going for...

- "unfair" - at least 17
- "relegation" - nil
- "found in our favour" - 3
- "where is Arbroath?" - nil
- exclamation marks - too many to count....


She’s copying the Rangers playbook these days, so throw a ‘beggars belief’ and some awful analogy about trench warfare in there.

[Monts]

There were 3 issues at hand in this hearing - Hearts won 2, the clubs won 1.

The SPFL didn't join the dismissal action and so they were 1 -1.

What issues did hearts win?

[007]

It would only be unlawful if found to be excessive .

The SFA regularly impose fines and sanctions. Are all these illegal ?

They should be hit hard and if they don’t like , let them go back to court.

Give them £500k compensation then fine them £1m.

[Greenworld]

I assume this dismisses the 8 mill claim also ?

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[Irish_Steve]

What issues did hearts win?

Biggest ********s

[Real Emerald]

Why on earth should they get anymore money than they already do for finishing 12th? Is it right for them to get more money than clubs finishing above them in the league? No! They're ****, and they deserve relegation. That's it. Like everyone else, they must live with the unfortunate effects of Corona virus, and not exploit the situation for financial gain.

They already have a benefactor and have hired a new manager and ex-Celtic goalie. They deserve no more money.

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Maybe if they’d been a bit more humble to start with, taking it on the chin and expecting a bit more money for not being able to play the remaining games then other clubs would have sympathised. Instead, they’ve tried to stop well performing teams getting their promotion, tried to get football stopped and tried to sue all the other clubs who are trying to survive during a pandemic.

They’ve sat back hoping their actions would put clubs out of business, the diddy clubs that bring nothing etc. Meanwhile they pay money for the Championship winners manager and singed an international goalkeeper. They now have the audacity to ask the other clubs they’ve tried to sue to club together to give them a bigger parachute payment, aye right! Cut them loose 😡

[SteveHFC]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188814-spfl-declare-league-due-to-covid-go-to-arbitration/&do=findComment&comment=7971262

:faf:

[stoneyburn hibs]

Any ballpark figure of their court bill ?

[HFC93]

Thoughts and prayers are with Leslie Deans at this difficult time.

[Andy74]

What issues did hearts win?

There were basically 3 things being considered.

A motion to dismiss the case totally.
A motion to refer it to arbitration rather than court.
A motion to release some documents.

Only the arbitration one succeeded. It is the important one but the judge ruled the expenses matter on a simple view of the matters for consideration and success on each of those.

[Joe6-2]

It would only be unlawful if found to be excessive .

The SFA regularly impose fines and sanctions. Are all these illegal ?

They should be hit hard and if they don’t like , let them go back to court.

They have to be hit hard, no way can they get away with all this

[jacomo]

I assume this dismisses the 8 mill claim also ?

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Arbitration will surely consider compensation for the relegated clubs, but the spurious £8m claim will be dismissed as ridiculous.

[Garibaldis]

Could have stayed in the Premiership by beating St Mirren- bottled it.

First reconstruction plan taken to a vote- failed.

Second reconstruction plan taken to a vote- failed.

Take the SPFL to Court- failed.

The laughing stock of Scottish football.

[007]

Hearts'd it. The losing streak continues. It's just one bad decision after another. 😂😂😂

[leithsansiro]

Currently clapping on the plaza. Just so pwoud of our great club and the fantastic achievement of being relegated a record number of times in one season.

Just felt the need to come down and clap to pay thanks to the great institution that is Heart of Midlothian FC.

Very, very pwoud.

Ann Budge, Craig Levein, Gary Locke, Leslie Deans, Vladimir Romanov, Maluray Martin... I love you all.

So pwoud

[SunshineOnLeith]

Any reasoning given for not having to pay the respondents' expenses? Seems unfair.

Their motion was for the case to be thrown out entirely, rather than just punted to the SFA.

[poolman]

Currently clapping on the plaza. Just so pwoud of our great club and the fantastic achievement of being relegated a record number of times in one season.

Just felt the need to come down and clap to pay thanks to the great institution that is Heart of Midlothian FC.

Very, very pwoud.

Ann Budge, Craig Levein, Gary Locke, Leslie Deans, Vladimir Romanov, Maluray Martin... I love you all.

So pwoud

It's what famous big teams do

[Del Boy]

Any chance Hearts will just accept they’re down now and throw in the towel or are they definitely going to go through the whole arbitration process?

[Since452]

This documentary is going to be epic

[04Sauzee]

Libertarian Libertarian

Posted 7 minutes ago
I fully expect the SPFL to push through league reconstruction within the next 48 hours after this afternoon's ruling

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[Joe6-2]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188814-spfl-declare-league-due-to-covid-go-to-arbitration/&do=findComment&comment=7971262

:faf:

Talk about delusions and straw clutching

[Since452]

Libertarian Libertarian

Posted 7 minutes ago
I fully expect the SPFL to push through league reconstruction within the next 48 hours after this afternoon's ruling

Quote

I'd love to live in their world. Actually no I wouldn't

[mutley]

Have you seen the state of some of them on jokeback? They still think that reconstruction is going to happen!!!


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[Coco Bryce]

Who will the 3 man panel consist of?

[Tynie01011973]

For any. Of our neighbours looking in

Judges ruling

https://youtu.be/ffCEr327W44

:flag:

[Irish_Steve]

They seem convinced on Brokeback that they can take it back to court if they don`t get their way. One poster even said that the Judge would "make time" to hear the case - is that correct?

[dchibs]

No, they were expelled, demoted, and linearly dropped.

Totally flushed I would say.:na na: