Jambos Legal Challenge

[Peevemor]

I thought the vote to end the Premier League season was taken some weeks after the Dundee vote confusion.

It it was a separate vote by the premier clubs and was unanimous, I think.Correct, even though the SPFL board, after the wording and result of the first vote, had the power to call the Premiership.

[The 90+2]

Correct, even though the SPFL board, after the wording and result of the first vote, had the power to call the Premiership.

Incorrect.

Dundee vote was during the time to end the lower league seasons.

Dundee if they voted no and it stood what would the board do again on behalf of the clubs, that voted yes. They would have changed it a bit more in the no vote favour and the spfl board would have cast a vote again.

They didn’t have to because even if Dundee voted no, which wasn’t registered they had 28 days to change their minds.

Hearts have not a leg to stand on man.

The clubs where always going to vote through a solution as a majority to assist themselves. As they have done by telling reconstructed leagues to bolt.

They will still get off though somehow it’s the hearts way.

[Peevemor]

Incorrect.

Dundee vote was during the time to end the lower league seasons.

Dundee if they voted no and it stood what would the board do again on behalf of the clubs, that voted yes. They would have changed it a bit more in the no vote favour and the spfl board would have cast a vote again.

They didn’t have to because even if Dundee voted no, which wasn’t registered they had 28 days to change their minds.

Hearts have not a leg to stand on man.

The clubs where always going to vote through a solution as a majority to assist themselves. As they have done by telling reconstructed leagues to bolt.

They will still get off though somehow it’s the hearts way.In what way am I incorrect?

[FilipinoHibs]

I think of the three options, the first has been ruled out - the teams are reinstated in their leagues from last season. I think
option two is the most likely. A parachute payment based on the teams playing a truncated number of games. For, Hearts between £0.5m and £1m. Both sides will reject - SPFL think it should be zero and Hearts £8m. The panel will then rule on a figure - say £0.5m. And will be that.

[Waxy]

Hearts just want to pick out the parts they want. They’ve already voted on these issues and have no case.They shouldnt be getting anything except a severe ticking off.

[JimBHibees]

I thought the vote to end the Premier League season was taken some weeks after the Dundee vote confusion.

It it was a separate vote by the premier clubs and was unanimous, I think.

Yep the second vote was in May and was apparently agreed with all 12 clubs that season couldn't be finished and would be decided by points per game. Link here outlines the dates of votes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52646282

[Marco G]

I think of the three options, the first has been ruled out - the teams are reinstated in their leagues from last season. I think
option two is the most likely. A parachute payment based on the teams playing a truncated number of games. For, Hearts between £0.5m and £1m. Both sides will reject - SPFL think it should be zero and Hearts £8m. The panel will then rule on a figure - say £0.5m. And will be that.Don't think it works like that? Arbitration panel looks at both sides case then makes a binding decision. No to and fro. So it can be either asking SPFL to reinstate Hearts to top league, defining an amount for compensation or saying no action is needed by SPFL. Both sides have to accept decision. Only if there is an error in a point of law can they appeal to the courts. Agree that asking for teams to be reinstated sounds unlikely. But reading all the experts views on here I think Hearts don't have a strong case and panel will side with SPFL!

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[Kojock]

Latest statement from Leslie Deans the font of all knowledge in all things legal. My guess is he’s been using strong glue in an unventilated room or he is just a slavering @rsehole.

“My thoughts on the case itself now follow.

Hearts case is currently no stronger or no weaker than it was yesterday morning. Depending on what the recovery of documents divulges it could be about to strengthen. At this stage , It's hard to say. The potential benefit of the disclosures from these documents has been eloquently spelt out by others. The crux of the matter is convincing the arbitration tribunal that we have suffered unfair prejudice. I believe it is crystal clear that we have , but we need to convince the tribunal. Do this and we should succeed.
I am aware that some people would like to see me on the Arbitration tribunal. Whilst I would be flattered to be invited I would decline any such invitation. Given my loyalties it simply would not sit right with me.

Finally, The analysis and incisive comment from many posters about the case on Kickback has been first class, Far above the quality of comments from the vast majority of the Scottish media. The guys concerned are a credit to our club. I know their contributions and opinions are noted and valued at a high level.

To misquote Churchill, this is not the end but may be the beginning of the end. But can the arbitration panel conclude matters and issue its decision by August 1 ? And if not, will they order a delay to the start of the premier league ? And if their findings are appealed back to the Court of Session on a point of law, a delayed start to the league looks inevitable.

You have to hope that all hidden documents, emails etc are provided quickly and fully by the SPFL and that all those involved, Doncaster, Nelms etc are ordered to appear for QC led cross examination at the tribunal. It is just unfortunate that the legitimate public interest will not be served by it all taking place behind closed doors.

And what is all this going to cost? All because SPFL could not devise a " no harm" strategy at the outset.

Les.

[JimBHibees]

Latest statement from Leslie Deans the font of all knowledge in all things legal. My guess is he’s been using strong glue in an unventilated room or he is just a slavering @rsehole.

“My thoughts on the case itself now follow.

Hearts case is currently no stronger or no weaker than it was yesterday morning. Depending on what the recovery of documents divulges it could be about to strengthen. At this stage , It's hard to say. The potential benefit of the disclosures from these documents has been eloquently spelt out by others. The crux of the matter is convincing the arbitration tribunal that we have suffered unfair prejudice. I believe it is crystal clear that we have , but we need to convince the tribunal. Do this and we should succeed.
I am aware that some people would like to see me on the Arbitration tribunal. Whilst I would be flattered to be invited I would decline any such invitation. Given my loyalties it simply would not sit right with me.

Finally, The analysis and incisive comment from many posters about the case on Kickback has been first class, Far above the quality of comments from the vast majority of the Scottish media. The guys concerned are a credit to our club. I know their contributions and opinions are noted and valued at a high level.

To misquote Churchill, this is not the end but may be the beginning of the end. But can the arbitration panel conclude matters and issue its decision by August 1 ? And if not, will they order a delay to the start of the premier league ? And if their findings are appealed back to the Court of Session on a point of law, a delayed start to the league looks inevitable.

You have to hope that all hidden documents, emails etc are provided quickly and fully by the SPFL and that all those involved, Doncaster, Nelms etc are ordered to appear for QC led cross examination at the tribunal. It is just unfortunate that the legitimate public interest will not be served by it all taking place behind closed doors.

And what is all this going to cost? All because SPFL could not devise a " no harm" strategy at the outset.

Les.

What a self absorbed maniac. People say I should be on the arbitration panel, I get the impression there is an approved list of people who will be much more qualified than the dodgy conveyancer. They can bolt with the delay to season chat.

[greenginger]

Deans now complaining about the cost of it all. !!!!

Well it would have cost a fraction of the total if it had gone straight to arbitration.

Also blames SPFL for not producing a no damage strategy, Budge was in charge of the league reconstruction task force.

[theonlywayisup]

Latest statement from Leslie Deans the font of all knowledge in all things legal. My guess is he’s been using strong glue in an unventilated room or he is just a slavering @rsehole.

“I am aware that some people would like to see me on the Arbitration tribunal. Whilst I would be flattered to be invited I would decline any such invitation. Given my loyalties it simply would not sit right with me."

Les.

:faf::faf::faf::faf:

[Bostonhibby]

Latest statement from Leslie Deans the font of all knowledge in all things legal. My guess is he’s been using strong glue in an unventilated room or he is just a slavering @rsehole.

“My thoughts on the case itself now follow.

Hearts case is currently no stronger or no weaker than it was yesterday morning. Depending on what the recovery of documents divulges it could be about to strengthen. At this stage , It's hard to say. The potential benefit of the disclosures from these documents has been eloquently spelt out by others. The crux of the matter is convincing the arbitration tribunal that we have suffered unfair prejudice. I believe it is crystal clear that we have , but we need to convince the tribunal. Do this and we should succeed.
I am aware that some people would like to see me on the Arbitration tribunal. Whilst I would be flattered to be invited I would decline any such invitation. Given my loyalties it simply would not sit right with me.

Finally, The analysis and incisive comment from many posters about the case on Kickback has been first class, Far above the quality of comments from the vast majority of the Scottish media. The guys concerned are a credit to our club. I know their contributions and opinions are noted and valued at a high level.

To misquote Churchill, this is not the end but may be the beginning of the end. But can the arbitration panel conclude matters and issue its decision by August 1 ? And if not, will they order a delay to the start of the premier league ? And if their findings are appealed back to the Court of Session on a point of law, a delayed start to the league looks inevitable.

You have to hope that all hidden documents, emails etc are provided quickly and fully by the SPFL and that all those involved, Doncaster, Nelms etc are ordered to appear for QC led cross examination at the tribunal. It is just unfortunate that the legitimate public interest will not be served by it all taking place behind closed doors.

And what is all this going to cost? All because SPFL could not devise a " no harm" strategy at the outset.

Les.Hell mend them if this thinking influences any part of their "strategy".

Look at me nonsense and zero track record for getting anything right.

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[Since452]

Just imagine for a second the SPFL saved Hearts or they won the court case. They would have been insufferable. Big team, establiment club, untouchable etc. Hopefully now it's over (we know it is) Hearts fans will have more of a grip on reality and a bit more humility. I very much doubt it though.

[Danderhall Hibs]

What was the no harm strategy? Was it the one Budge had 3 or 4 attempts at and couldn’t do?

[Caversham Green]

Quoting (or rather misquoting) Churchill now. These wartime references are really starting to disgust me. Comparing hundreds of thousands of people dying for their country with a piddling little football club that won't accept that they were the worst team in the division is just shameful. And they call us vermin.

[JimBHibees]

Hell mend them if this thinking influences any part of their "strategy".

Look at me nonsense and zero track record for getting anything right.

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The scary thing is their strategy up until now does seem to be based on the Leslie Deans play book which is laughable.

[JimBHibees]

Quoting (or rather misquoting) Churchill now. These wartime references are really starting to disgust me. Comparing hundreds of thousands of people dying for their country with a piddling little football club that won't accept that they were the worst team in the division is just shameful. And they call us vermin.

Can't argue with that. Also the current environment of thousands of people dying in this community hence the reason for the decisions made which they would without an iota of doubt have agreed with if they had won their last league game. A morally bankrupt institution.

[JimBHibees]

What was the no harm strategy? Was it the one Budge had 3 or 4 attempts at and couldn’t do?

There wasn't a no harm strategy as everyone now knows but some refuse to accept. The least unfair one is what has transpired as it was based on the sporting merit of 30 out of 38 games having been played.

[FilipinoHibs]

Don't think it works like that? Arbitration panel looks at both sides case then makes a binding decision. No to and fro. So it can be either asking SPFL to reinstate Hearts to top league, defining an amount for compensation or saying no action is needed by SPFL. Both sides have to accept decision. Only if there is an error in a point of law can they appeal to the courts. Agree that asking for teams to be reinstated sounds unlikely. But reading all the experts views on here I think Hearts don't have a strong case and panel will side with SPFL!

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I don't it is deciding on on one if two positions by the two parties but involves negotiation and seeking a compromise solution.

"The definition of an arbitration is a setting in which two parties submit their differences to an impartial third party to determine a solution or negotiation to a problem."

Maybe some legal buffs can comment.

[Bostonhibby]

I don't it is deciding on on one if two positions by the two parties but involves negotiation and seeking a compromise solution.

"The definition of an arbitration is a setting in which two parties submit their differences to an impartial third party to determine a solution or negotiation to a problem."

Maybe some legal buffs can comment.Done quite a few of them, and unless the arbitrator (s) asked to deal with particular points differently and by consent of the parties, your description is accurate.

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[lucky]

We are all fans and post on our message boards but am I the only one who thinks it’s weird that a real estate solicitor, who has a business in Edinburgh, is publicly posting legal advice on a football fans message board? Whether his opinion is correct or has been proven several times already wrong why would he do this? Surely the damage to his reputation and business is not worth the keyboard adulation

[WhileTheChief..]

Gotta hand it to Deans the way he has them lapping up his nonsense is impressive.

A couple of posters on here have mentioned ‘groupthink’ recently. I’d never heard that term before but it describes Kickback perfectly just now.

It’s incredible that they will literally believe anything which predicts a positive outcome, no matter how outlandish the predictions are. Apparently they’re going to burn the whole thing to the ground!

Well think on this Hearts, not a single club in Scotland is going to the wall, or being mothballed, despite your hopes and claims.

[Alfred E Newman]

Finally, The analysis and incisive comment from many posters about the case on Kickback has been first class, Far above the quality of comments from the vast majority of the Scottish media. The guys concerned are a credit to our club. I know their contributions and opinions are noted and valued at a high level.



Another cracker from Deano.

:faf::faf:

[Brunswickbill]

I don't it is deciding on on one if two positions by the two parties but involves negotiation and seeking a compromise solution.

"The definition of an arbitration is a setting in which two parties submit their differences to an impartial third party to determine a solution or negotiation to a problem."

Maybe some legal buffs can comment.

The QC on Sportsound yesterday described it like a court. Each side makes its case and the 3 person arbitration panel Makes a binding decision. He said that it isn’t a negotiation trying to get each party to agree to a settlement.

[McSwanky]

We are all fans and post on our message boards but am I the only one who thinks it’s weird that a real estate solicitor, who has a business in Edinburgh, is publicly posting legal advice on a football fans message board? Whether his opinion is correct or has been proven several times already wrong why would he do this? Surely the damage to his reputation and business is not worth the keyboard adulationI think it's been stated a few times before that Deans is in fact a complete weirdo, so this type of behaviour would be expected.

Why anyone would choose to use his firm to sell their property is beyond me, but I guess there's a lot of non-football fans out there that are completely oblivious to his witterings. Plus I have my doubts if he is allowed anywhere near prospective clients given his role in the firm. Conveyancing solicitors wouldn't be the front line, that would be the Estate Agents and secretaries/office staff.

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[mal]

What was the no harm strategy? Was it the one Budge had 3 or 4 attempts at and couldn’t do?

I think all along Hearts have based their expectations on the cavalry arriving, God answering their prayers, and mummy and daddy coming to kiss it better.

[bingo70]

We are all fans and post on our message boards but am I the only one who thinks it’s weird that a real estate solicitor, who has a business in Edinburgh, is publicly posting legal advice on a football fans message board? Whether his opinion is correct or has been proven several times already wrong why would he do this? Surely the damage to his reputation and business is not worth the keyboard adulation

I was thinking the opposite. I think his new found presence online is a clear pitch for business from the hearts fans.

There’s going to be a lot of houses going on the market in the coming months. He is going to be the go to guy for a lot of hearts fans now.

[WhileTheChief..]

Can the QC for the SPFL not just spell out just how gash Hearts were last season and that that is the reason for them being relegated, nothing else?

Maybe just show the highlights of the St Mirren game, they’re only 5 mins long so the case could be done by lunchtime.

[malcolm]

”You have to hope that all hidden documents, emails etc are provided quickly and fully by the SPFL and that all those involved, Doncaster, Nelms etc are ordered to appear for QC led cross examination at the tribunal. It is just unfortunate that the legitimate public interest will not be served by it all taking place behind closed doors.

And what is all this going to cost? All because SPFL could not devise a " no harm" strategy at the outset.“

Naive blinkered and not very knowledgeable seems to apply to most apparent Leslie D quotes. To pick out a couple from the latest.

If there were any ‘smoking gun’ documents as per the fantasy... then being hidden you’d expect them to stay hidden:wink:

Blaming spfl for not finding a no harm strategy at inset is laughable since, even months later, budge could not get beyond a no harm strategy that applied to hearts alone (and the PT afterthought) and stuff the rest with a total lack of good faith to other clubs. There is and was no ‘no harm’ approach but we got a ‘least harm‘ instead. We lost out but to quote Spock “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” :greengrin

I’m expecting hearts to bear the cost and it to be not insignificant to their wrath no doubt.

[RoYO!]

Finally, The analysis and incisive comment from many posters about the case on Kickback has been first class, Far above the quality of comments from the vast majority of the Scottish media. The guys concerned are a credit to our club. I know their contributions and opinions are noted and valued at a high level.



Another cracker from Deano.

:faf::faf:

By which he means Budgie...

Aka Queen Bodge, Budge Dredd.

To think that she will go scouring the forums looking for a glimmer of hope from some keyboard warrior must surely give them cause for concern.

Wait a minute this is kickback we're talking about..

[Jim44]

I am aware that some people would like to see me on the Arbitration tribunal. Whilst I would be flattered to be invited I would decline any such invitation.

He means, there was a couple of tongue in cheek comments about him representing them at the tribunal. He’s too stupid to see through that.

[lucky]

I was thinking the opposite. I think his new found presence online is a clear pitch for business from the hearts fans.

There’s going to be a lot of houses going on the market in the coming months. He is going to be the go to guy for a lot of hearts fans now.

You could be right with regards to touting for business but surely even the most deluded on JKB will eventually see through his crap, when they finally lose, and realise that he’s just a weirdo

[FilipinoHibs]

The QC on Sportsound yesterday described it like a court. Each side makes its case and the 3 person arbitration panel Makes a binding decision. He said that it isn’t a negotiation trying to get each party to agree to a settlement.

So the Jambos are going for £8 million or nothing.

[Springbank]

That Leslie Dean's thing is quite revealing, in one sense.

He is appealing directly to the "worst zoomers" and the more excitable elements in the hearts support.

But if you're Ann Budge or James Anderson surely you realise the damage that does

Hearts are looking at arbitration (which they didnt want) alongside relegation (that they say they didn't want...but voted for)

It's now a pr game for hearts board, to turn the arbitration outcome as a success.

But I cant see how the Deans "no Surrender" worldview helps. Its 8m or nothing, in that worldview, and they'll never get 8m or anything that is a meaningful fraction of it.

If Ann Budge is looking to move hearts on now, she really should instruct Dean's to pipe down & stop blowing the embers of the fire.

I bet she doesnt

[bingo70]

You could be right with regards to touting for business but surely even the most deluded on JKB will eventually see through his crap, when they finally lose, and realise that he’s just a weirdo

I don’t think so, I think they’ll be playing the victim card. If they lose it’ll be put down to a conspiracy and show the corruption in Scotland. Will make all Hearts minded people want to stick together even more.

From a business perspective I think this is probably quite smart from him tbh. Might be putting off a few Hibs fans on Hibs.net but Hibs fans outwith of this forum won’t really care.

[grunt]

... it’s weird that a real estate solicitor, who has a business in Edinburgh, is publicly posting legal advice on a football fans message board? It's not legal advice. Far from it.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I am aware that some people would like to see me on the Arbitration tribunal. Whilst I would be flattered to be invited I would decline any such invitation.

He means, there was a couple of tongue in cheek comments about him representing them at the tribunal. He’s too stupid to see through that.

Plus the fact that he's nowhere near the already held list.
To comment that he would turn down the offer is bizarre

[grunt]

The potential benefit of the disclosures from these documents has been eloquently spelt out by others. The crux of the matter is convincing the arbitration tribunal that we have suffered unfair prejudice. I believe it is crystal clear that we have , but we need to convince the tribunal. So clear that no one has yet to explain the unfair prejudice beyond, "it's not fair".

FinallyThis word appears in his second paragraph and then there's another three paragraphs more to come. It's the written equivalent of "and another thing".
And if their findings are appealed back to the Court of Session on a point of law, a delayed start to the league looks inevitable. Not in a million years.

[LeithMike]

“All because SPFL could not devise a " no harm" strategy at the outset.

Les.

Like the Hearts no harm strategy to Lithuanian savers and pension holders when they squandered £50m+ paying players they couldn't afford before it all came crumbling down? Aye, very good Leslie. Were you not all begging for debt forgiveness then? How about acknowledging that and taking this one with a bit of dignity?

Every club has been harmed by the pandemic. There is no 'no harm' strategy. Hearts's approach is clearly that they shouldn't be harmed - no problem with it being Dundee United.

Right or wrong, clearly the SPFL sought to do what it could to protect the Sky deal to keep as much money as possible in the game. They've, therefore, tried to minimise the loss for all clubs as best as they can.

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[Mikers110]

I am aware that some people would like to see me on the Arbitration tribunal. Whilst I would be flattered to be invited I would decline any such invitation.

The fact he would not be impartial would be one barrier. The other is this is for lawyers wearing big girls pants.

[McSwanky]

I'd just like to state here and now that if I was asked to be on the panel, I would also decline. I simply don't believe that my background in IT and penchant for Hibs would deem me an appropriate candidate.

Like Leslie, I'm out.

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[brog]

Yep the second vote was in May and was apparently agreed with all 12 clubs that season couldn't be finished and would be decided by points per game. Link here outlines the dates of votes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52646282

IIRC, Doncaster insisted that the minutes should state that the motion to end the leagues prematurely was passed unanimously!! This looks more & more like an extremely smart move. He's been one step ahead of Budge all through this process.

[neil7908]

I'd just like to state here and now that if I was asked to be on the panel, I would also decline. I simply don't believe that my background in IT and penchant for Hibs would deem me an appropriate candidate.

Like Leslie, I'm out.

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Not wanting to link myself to anything Leslie Dean's says or does in anyway, I'm going to say I'm in.

I know many of you are desperate for me to be involved and I'm sure my complete lack of knowledge or experience in this won't be an issue. After all, it hasn't stopped Ann Budge from doing the remarkable job she's done at our neighbours in Gorgie.

[brog]

I'd just like to state here and now that if I was asked to be on the panel, I would also decline. I simply don't believe that my background in IT and penchant for Hibs would deem me an appropriate candidate.

Like Leslie, I'm out.

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This is brilliant, it's like Spartacus in reverse!! I will also decline to be on the arbitration panel!!

[EI255]

Nothing changes in my eyes. Hearts are doomed.

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[007]

”You have to hope that all hidden documents, emails etc are provided quickly and fully by the SPFL and that all those involved, Doncaster, Nelms etc are ordered to appear for QC led cross examination at the tribunal. It is just unfortunate that the legitimate public interest will not be served by it all taking place behind closed doors.

And what is all this going to cost? All because SPFL could not devise a " no harm" strategy at the outset.“

Naive blinkered and not very knowledgeable seems to apply to most apparent Leslie D quotes. To pick out a couple from the latest.

If there were any ‘smoking gun’ documents as per the fantasy... then being hidden you’d expect them to stay hidden:wink:

Blaming spfl for not finding a no harm strategy at inset is laughable since, even months later, budge could not get beyond a no harm strategy that applied to hearts alone (and the PT afterthought) and stuff the rest with a total lack of good faith to other clubs. There is and was no ‘no harm’ approach but we got a ‘least harm‘ instead. We lost out but to quote Spock “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” :greengrin

I’m expecting hearts to bear the cost and it to be not insignificant to their wrath no doubt.

When it turns out there is no smoking gun in the documents the Hearts fans will be squealing "corruption" saying Doncaster tampered with them afterwards to make sure there was nothing wrong with them. One of the plus points of it being conducted privately is they won't be able to pick it apart and find "evidence" of corruption but they'll still claim it anyway. One of the downsides of it being private is we won't find out how Budge came up with her £8m figure that they're going to lose. No matter what happens I'm looking forward to seeing their annual accounts for the year to 30.6.21, if they make nowhere near an £8m loss (before the Covid-19 effect is factored in) they should be hammered for it.

[Kojock]

I know we shouldn’t laugh at the less fortunate but they really can’t help themselves. Talking about boycotting all away ground except ICT.

“MCW1976 MCW1976
Posted 55 minutes ago

The Inverness economy is about to get a serious kick-start from the travelling Hearts fans.

Being the only legitimate away day for fans, ICT might need to beam the game onto large screens in the town centre.”

Everybody has the right to be stupid but some really do abuse the privilege. 😂

[bawheid]

If Ann Budge is looking to move hearts on now, she really should instruct Dean's to pipe down & stop blowing the embers of the fire.

I bet she doesnt

That would require leadership, which is a trait she has shown time and time and time again that she doesn’t possess.

[poolman]

I know we shouldn’t laugh at the less fortunate but they really can’t help themselves. Talking about boycotting all away ground except ICT.

“MCW1976 MCW1976
Posted 55 minutes ago

The Inverness economy is about to get a serious kick-start from the travelling Hearts fans.

Being the only legitimate away day for fans, ICT might need to beam the game onto large screens in the town centre.”

Everybody has the right to be stupid but some really do abuse the privilege. 😂


It's not often I laugh out loud at posts but that one had me there

Large screens in the town centre 😆😁😄😀

[hibee-boys]

I know we shouldn’t laugh at the less fortunate but they really can’t help themselves. Talking about boycotting all away ground except ICT.

“MCW1976 MCW1976
Posted 55 minutes ago

The Inverness economy is about to get a serious kick-start from the travelling Hearts fans.

Being the only legitimate away day for fans, ICT might need to beam the game onto large screens in the town centre.”

Everybody has the right to be stupid but some really do abuse the privilege. 😂

That quote must come from an undercover hibby.......surely!😂

[Bostonhibby]

It's not often I laugh out loud at posts but that one had me there

Large screens in the town centre [emoji38][emoji16][emoji1][emoji3]Made me laugh as well.

More like half a dozen tramps licking the window at Currys watching top flight football from the pavement.

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[AlbertK86]

Brilliant how the BBC managed to find a Jambo supporting QC to talk on sportsound yesterday.

That mob are riddled with Hertz sympathisers


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[Viva_Palmeiras]

Brilliant how the BBC managed to find a Jambo supporting QC to talk on sportsound yesterday.

That mob are riddled with Hertz sympathisers


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Well surely a legal case in Embra for the is like a home game at Tynie with (5-1) Thompson reffing?

[Del Boy]

Brilliant how the BBC managed to find a Jambo supporting QC to talk on sportsound yesterday.

That mob are riddled with Hertz sympathisers


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Was he a Jambo? Sounded very pro Hearts anyway

[Del Boy]

Are Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove represented by their QC at the arbitration or is it just Hearts/Partick and the SPFL?

[Irish_Steve]

Finally, The analysis and incisive comment from many posters about the case on Kickback has been first class, Far above the quality of comments from the vast majority of the Scottish media. The guys concerned are a credit to our club. I know their contributions and opinions are noted and valued at a high level.



Another cracker from Deano.

:faf::faf:

You can blow that comment out of the water with four simple characters - 10-2

[h18eeynick]

Are Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove represented by their QC at the arbitration or is it just Hearts/Partick and the SPFL?

Their case was dismissed so I assume they are not part of the arbitration

[Irish_Steve]

And it looks like Jimmy Cant from Brokeback will soon be called a spoon-burner:


The only person who believes Leslie Deans was wanted by Hearts fans as our arbitration choice was Leslie Deans himself. He’s not qualified for a start. He’s already got things seriously wrong at least twice. He’s a Hearts fan with money and a few gullible ears hanging on his every word who sends messages to post here. **** knows why he can’t just log in like every other normal Hearts fan. Someone should get a grip of him and tell him to stop communicating with the media as if he has some position or standing.Cant stand the arrogant wee *****.

[greenginger]

Are Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove represented by their QC at the arbitration or is it just Hearts/Partick and the SPFL?

I think The SPFL QC can represent the clubs now.

At court the 3 clubs wanted the petition binned, whereas the SPFL wanted the complaint to be heard at arbitration as per the rules.

Its at arbitration now so the clubs will have to abide by the decision reached.

[Jim44]

Inverness could result in nerviness and rivenness for them

[Del Boy]

And it looks like Jimmy Cant from Brokeback will soon be called a spoon-burner:


The only person who believes Leslie Deans was wanted by Hearts fans as our arbitration choice was Leslie Deans himself. He’s not qualified for a start. He’s already got things seriously wrong at least twice. He’s a Hearts fan with money and a few gullible ears hanging on his every word who sends messages to post here. **** knows why he can’t just log in like every other normal Hearts fan. Someone should get a grip of him and tell him to stop communicating with the media as if he has some position or standing.Cant stand the arrogant wee *****.

Brilliantly put and spot on. Hearts fans I know think Deans is a fanny too.

[007]

IIRC, Doncaster insisted that the minutes should state that the motion to end the leagues prematurely was passed unanimously!! This looks more & more like an extremely smart move. He's been one step ahead of Budge all through this process.

Hearts aren't arguing that the league should have been finished. They're arguing they've been unfairly prejudiced by being relegated and that Dundee United should be unfairly prejudiced instead of them. 😀

[Del Boy]

I think The SPFL QC can represent the clubs now.

At court the 3 clubs wanted the petition binned, whereas the SPFL wanted the complaint to be heard at arbitration as per the rules.

Its at arbitration now so the clubs will have to abide by the decision reached.

I see, just that the 3 clubs would obviously be pushing more for no reinstatement of Hearts whereas the SPFL would probably actually prefer that to paying compensation.

In the unlikely event of reinstatement I assume United, Raith and Cove would then have grounds to sue the SPFL for officially telling them they’re promoted - United for example took all their staff off furlough and will have spent money on testing etc which will be totally unnecessary if they’re back in the championship and not playing until October.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

I know we shouldn’t laugh at the less fortunate but they really can’t help themselves. Talking about boycotting all away ground except ICT.

“MCW1976 MCW1976
Posted 55 minutes ago

The Inverness economy is about to get a serious kick-start from the travelling Hearts fans.

Being the only legitimate away day for fans, ICT might need to beam the game onto large screens in the town centre.”

Everybody has the right to be stupid but some really do abuse the privilege. 😂

Would be quite funny if their only trip to Inverness was a Tuesday night in January. :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

Would be quite funny if their only trip to Inverness was a Tuesday night in January. :greengrin

Budge the maroon hound will subsidise buses, so they won't miss out on the maroon pound.

[hibeerealist]

Shockeroony, Levein on Sportsound AGAIN!!

Impartial my f eck in a rse

[Billy Whizz]

Shockeroony, Levein on Sportsound AGAIN!!

Impartial my f eck in a rse

He’s a disgrace, hope he’s not getting paid for this

[Bostonhibby]

And it looks like Jimmy Cant from Brokeback will soon be called a spoon-burner:


The only person who believes Leslie Deans was wanted by Hearts fans as our arbitration choice was Leslie Deans himself. He’s not qualified for a start. He’s already got things seriously wrong at least twice. He’s a Hearts fan with money and a few gullible ears hanging on his every word who sends messages to post here. **** knows why he can’t just log in like every other normal Hearts fan. Someone should get a grip of him and tell him to stop communicating with the media as if he has some position or standing.Cant stand the arrogant wee *****.It wasn't but that honestly could have been my brother in law, a fairly decent Hearts guy who hasn't bought into their current lead at all and was never a Deans fan and is not happy he's surfaced again.

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[Bostonhibby]

Budge the maroon hound will subsidise buses, so they won't miss out on the maroon pound.[emoji23]

One bus can't be that expensive, not in relation to the money she's already blown anyway.

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[JohnMcM]

This is brilliant, it's like Spartacus in reverse!! I will also decline to be on the arbitration panel!!

I'm declining!!

[matty_f]

Deans’ ramble is outstanding.

Looks increasingly like Hearts’ case is relying on documents where they don’t know what the documents contain.

It’s like Deal or No Deal. We *think* the documents are going to be significant but in reality they could totally obliterate our case, but let’s pretend it’s all good anyway.

What would need to be in those documents to demonstrate unfair prejudice? A concerted effort to single out Hearts in particular? An agreement to refuse reconstruction no matter what?

I think the SPFL can easily demonstrate a lack of prejudice in their actions. UEFA wanted promotion and relegation (and titles) to be decided on sporting merit. They did not want them stopped.

How can Hearts conceivable put forward that it’s more fair not to relegated them than it is to promote Dundee United?

Or that’s it’s not unfair to relegated them than it is to hold Dundee United in the Championship to word it better.

How can they argue that it’s fair to decide the title on a points per game basis (and every other position across all the leagues) but not promotion and relegation.

So titles are fine, European places are fine, top and bottom 6 places are fine - that’s all fair, but relegation isn’t because... it’s them?

[hibeerealist]

Sportsound also has Ian (hertz) Black and Brian (Hertz) McGaughlin

[Liam978]

Nothing changes in my eyes. Hearts are doomed.

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If only, I think no matter which way this pans out their resolve and motivation (naebody likes us we don't care) will be worth a goal of a start to them. We have got to ensure that we will be up for it also, if not in the league then the cup semi.

[JimBHibees]

Brilliant how the BBC managed to find a Jambo supporting QC to talk on sportsound yesterday.

That mob are riddled with Hertz sympathisers


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Thought the guy was reasonable to be honest.

[Ronniekirk]

If only, I think no matter which way this pans out their resolve and motivation (naebody likes us we don't care) will be worth a goal of a start to them. We have got to ensure that we will be up for it also, if not in the league then the cup semi.

The Semi is what they will plan for short term They will be motivated to put us out
We need to make sure we try and retain our best players and recruit well
If we sell best assets and recruit players of poorer quality we are playing into Thier hands
But this game could be next year so plenty time to get things sorted



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[O'Rourke3]

In order to prove some missing documents or potential collusion you need an audit done on the email servers of the SFPL as well as knowing who and where from the missing information comes from. An audit would need to be done on every sfpl phone and possibly the personal phones of the main players including the clubs chairs/ chief execs. That's not arbitration. First piece of evidence the SFPL will produce is the Delotte audit. Again ND 2 steps ahead. Dean's is a ring piece.

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[hibeerealist]

If only, I think no matter which way this pans out their resolve and motivation (naebody likes us we don't care) will be worth a goal of a start to them. We have got to ensure that we will be up for it also, if not in the league then the cup semi.


Spot on J. :cb

[JimBHibees]

Sportsound also has Ian (hertz) Black and Brian (Hertz) McGaughlin

Plus Levein, wow. :rolleyes:

[007]

The Semi is what they will plan for short term They will be motivated to put us out
We need to make sure we try and retain our best players and recruit well
If we sell best assets and recruit players of poorer quality we are playing into Thier hands
But this game could be next year so plenty time to get things sorted



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The fans will be motivated but will the players that Budge treated like something on the bottom of her maroon brogues?

[KeithTheHibby]

Brilliant how the BBC managed to find a Jambo supporting QC to talk on sportsound yesterday.

That mob are riddled with Hertz sympathisers


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Nobody from any other club is ****ing interested in going on that embarrassment of a show. On the other hand they will take any hearts plum willing to talk *****.

[Bostonhibby]

In order to prove some missing documents or potential collusion you need an audit done on the email servers of the SFPL as well as knowing who and where from the missing information comes from. An audit would need to be done on every sfpl phone and possibly the personal phones of the main players including the clubs chairs/ chief execs. That's not arbitration. First piece of evidence the SFPL will produce is the Delotte audit. Again ND 2 steps ahead. Dean's is a ring piece.

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Ring pieces everywhere will be consulting their lawyers when they see this scurrilous comparison.

One or two of them might even consult their estate agents.

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[007]

This is brilliant, it's like Spartacus in reverse!! I will also decline to be on the arbitration panel!!

I know some will be disappointed but I'd just like to take this opportunity to rule myself out of November's US Presidential election and I also turned down the role as replacement for Matt Baker on the One Show.

[weecounty hibby]

I'm going to go against the grain here and will be absolutely delighted to accept a nomination to sit on the relegate the hertz *******s, fine them millions and throw them out the league panel, erm sorry I mean the arbitration panel.

[Paisley Hibby]

As I understand it, one of the things the SPFL argued against in Court was the release of all documentation. Doing so has cost them sweet in legal fees. Why would they do that rather than just say "we've got nothing to hide - of course the documents can be released?

[Greenworld]

As I understand it, one of the things the SPFL argued against in Court was the release of all documentation. Doing so has cost them sweet in legal fees. Why would they do that rather than just say "we've got nothing to hide - of course the documents can be released?It was argued that the documentation or at least certain parts are of a highly confidential nature.
The judge assured that the documents would be treated as such and that any leaks would be dealt with.

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[CockneyRebel]

As I understand it, one of the things the SPFL argued against in Court was the release of all documentation. Doing so has cost them sweet in legal fees. Why would they do that rather than just say "we've got nothing to hide - of course the documents can be released?


The SPFL stated that the documents contained sensitive commercial information concerning the tv contract negotiations and individual club information that they thought should not be made public. I think they may be able to redact some of this at the Arbitration panel's discretion.

[matty_f]

As I understand it, one of the things the SPFL argued against in Court was the release of all documentation. Doing so has cost them sweet in legal fees. Why would they do that rather than just say "we've got nothing to hide - of course the documents can be released?

The argument against releasing documents was around having commercially sensitive information aired in public.

For instance, Hearts will contest that Dundee United have scaled up their spending for a season in the Premiership, and so try to demonstrate that it would be less harmful to keep them in the Championship than if would top relegate Hearts.

That effectively means Dundee United have to open up their books in detail to a competitor.

It would also mean looking at sponsorship agreements and broadcasting rights discussions which are commercially sensitive.

I don’t think that the SPFL will be particularly concerned about most of that on arbitration where it’s played out behind closed doors.


Again, the Hearts fans have got the wrong end of the stick trying to understand why the SPFL did not want those documents made public. They’re not hiding underhand dealings, they’re trying to maintain commercial confidentiality.

[Del Boy]

The argument against releasing documents was around having commercially sensitive information aired in public.

For instance, Hearts will contest that Dundee United have scaled up their spending for a season in the Premiership, and so try to demonstrate that it would be less harmful to keep them in the Championship than if would top relegate Hearts.

That effectively means Dundee United have to open up their books in detail to a competitor.

It would also mean looking at sponsorship agreements and broadcasting rights discussions which are commercially sensitive.

I don’t think that the SPFL will be particularly concerned about most of that on arbitration where it’s played out behind closed doors.


Again, the Hearts fans have got the wrong end of the stick trying to understand why the SPFL did not want those documents made public. They’re not hiding underhand dealings, they’re trying to maintain commercial confidentiality.

That in itself is a horrible argument that relegation will cost Hearts more than non-promotion will cost United!! It’s the Hearts way though, Budge initially argued it was unfair to relegate Hearts because they’d spent a lot of money on their squad!! Didn’t seem to matter that they had the worst team in the league.

[tamig]

Sportsound also has Ian (hertz) Black and Brian (Hertz) McGaughlin

I didn’t even know they were doing a Sunday programme. When is it usually on?

[hibeerealist]

I didn’t even know they were doing a Sunday programme. When is it usually on?


On a Sunday 12 to 3pm

[jacomo]

Deans’ ramble is outstanding.

Looks increasingly like Hearts’ case is relying on documents where they don’t know what the documents contain.

It’s like Deal or No Deal. We *think* the documents are going to be significant but in reality they could totally obliterate our case, but let’s pretend it’s all good anyway.

What would need to be in those documents to demonstrate unfair prejudice? A concerted effort to single out Hearts in particular? An agreement to refuse reconstruction no matter what?

I think the SPFL can easily demonstrate a lack of prejudice in their actions. UEFA wanted promotion and relegation (and titles) to be decided on sporting merit. They did not want them stopped.

How can Hearts conceivable put forward that it’s more fair not to relegated them than it is to promote Dundee United?

Or that’s it’s not unfair to relegated them than it is to hold Dundee United in the Championship to word it better.

How can they argue that it’s fair to decide the title on a points per game basis (and every other position across all the leagues) but not promotion and relegation.

So titles are fine, European places are fine, top and bottom 6 places are fine - that’s all fair, but relegation isn’t because... it’s them?


It was a secret conspiracy to relegate the clubs that finished bottom of their respective divisions and give their place to those that finished first in the division below.

It’s gonna blow Scottish football apart when this gets out.

[Lunatic]

Deans’ ramble is outstanding.

Looks increasingly like Hearts’ case is relying on documents where they don’t know what the documents contain.

But the opposition, who know EXACTLY what those documents contain, appear very confident they will win.

Hmm, I wonder how this will play out.....

[malcolm]

The argument against releasing documents was around having commercially sensitive information aired in public.

For instance, Hearts will contest that Dundee United have scaled up their spending for a season in the Premiership, and so try to demonstrate that it would be less harmful to keep them in the Championship than if would top relegate Hearts.

That effectively means Dundee United have to open up their books in detail to a competitor.

It would also mean looking at sponsorship agreements and broadcasting rights discussions which are commercially sensitive.

I don’t think that the SPFL will be particularly concerned about most of that on arbitration where it’s played out behind closed doors.


Again, the Hearts fans have got the wrong end of the stick trying to understand why the SPFL did not want those documents made public. They’re not hiding underhand dealings, they’re trying to maintain commercial confidentiality.

This is a stick that I view as a bit of a red herring issue. It should not be a contest to see who spends what in a promotion v relegation comparison at any point in time. Rather it should simply be were the rules and processes carried out fairly and correctly as a result and of crucial import have promotion and relegation been awarded on the basis of sporting performance. Here if you win you should get the reward and if you lose that has its own reward even if you don’t like it.

[tamig]

On a Sunday 12 to 3pm

Cheers. I tuned in religiously each Saturday until I got fed up with English and McCann’s constant Calimero comments. Failing to state the obvious as to why a 14 team top flight wouldn’t work. Fortunately I’ve not been subject to the wisdom of the great Levein yet.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

It was a secret conspiracy to relegate the clubs that finished bottom of their respective divisions and give their place to those that finished first in the division below.

It’s gonna blow Scottish football apart when this gets out.

:greengrin

[AlbertK86]

Was he a Jambo? Sounded very pro Hearts anyway

Yep can see on his Twitter the maroon and white flag emoji


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[AlbertK86]

Thought the guy was reasonable to be honest.

So did I but was a couple of times I thought he was pushing Hertz corner a wee bit.


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[Fanforlife]

Yep can see on his Twitter the maroon and white flag emoji


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According to Keekback he is an Arbroath fan.

[Bostonhibby]

According to Keekback he is an Arbroath fan.So he'll get to see the thieves next season in the battle of the maroons when the thieves play the real famous maroon team.

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[Dashing Bob S]

It was a secret conspiracy to relegate the clubs that finished bottom of their respective divisions and give their place to those that finished first in the division below.

It’s gonna blow Scottish football apart when this gets out.

Nutshell

The victim look is never good but long may they make dicks of themselves

[Sammy7nil]

We are all fans and post on our message boards but am I the only one who thinks it’s weird that a real estate solicitor, who has a business in Edinburgh, is publicly posting legal advice on a football fans message board? Whether his opinion is correct or has been proven several times already wrong why would he do this? Surely the damage to his reputation and business is not worth the keyboard adulation


Leslie Deans posts must be a wind up if not I worry for his health.


I know some will be disappointed but I'd just like to take this opportunity to rule myself out of November's US Presidential election and I also turned down the role as replacement for Matt Baker on the One Show.

did Kayne West beat you to the nomination :greengrin

[Joe6-2]

I think it's been stated a few times before that Deans is in fact a complete weirdo, so this type of behaviour would be expected.

Why anyone would choose to use his firm to sell their property is beyond me, but I guess there's a lot of non-football fans out there that are completely oblivious to his witterings. Plus I have my doubts if he is allowed anywhere near prospective clients given his role in the firm. Conveyancing solicitors wouldn't be the front line, that would be the Estate Agents and secretaries/office staff.

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Purple P ricks

[Del Boy]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5777316/raith-rovers-promotion-legal-battle-bust/

Apologies for the source, but how ridiculous is this? Team could go bust defending their right to be promoted after the SPFL took a vote and crowned them champions. Sure Hearts fans will be delighted to hear another club could die though. SPFL and SFA need to get a grip of this.

[JimBHibees]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5777316/raith-rovers-promotion-legal-battle-bust/

Apologies for the source, but how ridiculous is this? Team could go bust defending their right to be promoted after the SPFL took a vote and crowned them champions. Sure Hearts fans will be delighted to hear another club could die though. SPFL and SFA need to get a grip of this.

Simply despicable from Hearts.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Simply despicable from Hearts.

Hearts won’t care, they are a disgust to Scottish football.

[Del Boy]

Similar story in The Record. Every other country must be looking on in utter disbelief at what’s going on here.

I think the SPFL and SFA should be doing a lot more to help these 3 clubs who are being bullied here.

[Col2]

Opinion piece by Bill Leckie.

100% spot on - every single point.

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1279894322264055808?s=21

[007]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5777316/raith-rovers-promotion-legal-battle-bust/

Apologies for the source, but how ridiculous is this? Team could go bust defending their right to be promoted after the SPFL took a vote and crowned them champions. Sure Hearts fans will be delighted to hear another club could die though. SPFL and SFA need to get a grip of this.

Don't see why they are swithering on the crowd funding. Get it started ASAP, surely there's no downside.

[Joe6-2]

Opinion piece by Bill Leckie.

100% spot on - every single point.

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1279894322264055808?s=21

This is the sort of reporting we should have been getting weeks ago.
Herts are a bloody disgrace, and how this has been allowed to drag on this length of time is absurd, and we ain’t bloody finished yet!!
Get them to f***

[bingo70]

Opinion piece by Bill Leckie.

100% spot on - every single point.

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1279894322264055808?s=21

He’s right but he doesn’t go far enough imo.

Why is nobody taking Budge to task over her pathetic league reconstruction plan? The lack of effort put into that was a disgrace and it should be called out more than it has been.

[Sammy7nil]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5777316/raith-rovers-promotion-legal-battle-bust/

Apologies for the source, but how ridiculous is this? Team could go bust defending their right to be promoted after the SPFL took a vote and crowned them champions. Sure Hearts fans will be delighted to hear another club could die though. SPFL and SFA need to get a grip of this.

Burn \ Destroy Scottish football to the ground kill off as many clubs as possible let's have a scorched earth policy. This is the narrative on KB I hope Tom English is pleased he is helping to drive this and Mr Benny Factor must be really pleased to see his millions are being put to good use by dragging down cash strapped community clubs. ,

[Del Boy]

Don't see why they are swithering on the crowd funding. Get it started ASAP, surely there's no downside.

Agree. Would also send a message of solidarity if you had fans of all other teams supporting this.

[Del Boy]

Opinion piece by Bill Leckie.

100% spot on - every single point.

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1279894322264055808?s=21


Thats the besr piece ive seen written on this whole farce. Ann Budge is a nasty piece of work.

[Vault Boy]

Opinion piece by Bill Leckie.

100% spot on - every single point.

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1279894322264055808?s=21

This is a good piece and it's actually nice to see some frustration with Hearts from the MSM, given how deserved it is.

Despite that, I actually struggled to read it after getting to the image of their new stand. I will never come to terms with how much it resembles an early 90s office block constructed in an industrial estate in Slough.

[Del Boy]

I think The SPFL QC can represent the clubs now.

At court the 3 clubs wanted the petition binned, whereas the SPFL wanted the complaint to be heard at arbitration as per the rules.

Its at arbitration now so the clubs will have to abide by the decision reached.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dundee-united-face-huge-bill-22306676

according to this the promoted clubs are still expected to argue their case at arbitration, don’t see why the SPFL shouldn’t be doing this on their behalf.

[McSwanky]

Honestly. The irony of all this.

Hearts are clearly, by the signings they've made, and the not-so-anonymous benefactor, the best placed team to ride out the storm financially. If they actually followed their own pishy rhetoric, they'd "take one for the team" and go down quietly, knowing full well they'll be fine for cash.

But no. Instead they want to make innocent teams like Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove (who had the temerity to be top of their leagues when the global pandemic took over) suffer. Even though these teams have nothing like the financial clout that Hearts have.

They have shown themselves up time and time again to be absolute ****s who couldn't give a flying **** about anyone but themselves.

Scottish football is in the middle of a crisis, and although the pandemic is clearly the number one cause, Ann Budge and her cronies are a clear second.

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[Stanton Spence]

There's no chance that other clubs and the spfl / sfa will see raith go bust over this and I'm also sure that fans from other clubs will step up to the plate if and when they set up a crowd funding page. I've never had much time for that mob in Gorgie but right now they are really showing how disgusting a club they really are. They are laughing at the thought of well run clubs going bust and bragging about abusing the furlough scheme and at the same time have players on huge wage cuts yet actively looking to sign players on top wages in Scottish football terms and they have shelled out compensation to bring in a new manager. Bill Leckie has just touched the surface on all of these shaninaggins and it's about time the MSM really started to ask questions about what is going on with that dispicapble club. IMO they don't have a chance of winning any kind of arbitration from this hearing about to convene and once it's over the SPFL and SFA must hammer them with the strongest sanctions they can dish out

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[007]

He’s right but he doesn’t go far enough imo.

Why is nobody taking Budge to task over her pathetic league reconstruction plan? The lack of effort put into that was a disgrace and it should be called out more than it has been.

Yeah. Plus Lord Clark let her off the hook by saying they did the right thing by trying to get reconstruction done 1st and then only when it failed did they go down the legal route.
That is correct however he probably wasn't aware of everything that took place beforehand:

In the middle of April Budge set a target of 3 weeks. It took 2 months. She also complained she was doing the SPFL Board's job by trying to get reconstruction. Completely incorrect. The Board didn't want to go down the reconstruction route because they knew it was a non-starter but agreed that discussions could be held to look at it. It was Budge's project and her responsibility to put forward a Member's Resolution however she fannied about for ages and then came up with a "discussion document " which was nowhere near a suitable format to put to clubs to vote on. The SPFL Board then had to step in to sort it out.

This all could have been resolved weeks and weeks ago but anything that Budge gets her hands on just gets turned into a long drawn out process.

[The 90+2]

I thought Raiths case got kicked out?

[Sammy7nil]

Honestly. The irony of all this.

Hearts are clearly, by the signings they've made, and the not-so-anonymous benefactor, the best placed team to ride out the storm financially. If they actually followed their own pishy rhetoric, they'd "take one for the team" and go down quietly, knowing full well they'll be fine for cash.

But no. Instead they want to make innocent teams like Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove (who had the temerity to be top of their leagues when the global pandemic took over) suffer. Even though these teams have nothing like the financial clout that Hearts have.

They have shown themselves up time and time again to be absolute ****s who couldn't give a flying **** about anyone but themselves.

Scottish football is in the middle of a crisis, and although the pandemic is clearly the number one cause, Ann Budge and her cronies are a clear second.

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Yip said it all along the Budgie trumpeted they will have no financial worries as benefactor had ensured there was five years of funding in place. That said this was also when she demanded players take wage cuts and refused to consider season ticket refunds. A truly horrible horrible club.

[Sammy7nil]

I thought Raiths case got kicked out?

They case was never heard. The asked for it to be dismissed before it was decided where it would be heard.

[Aim Here]

I thought Raiths case got kicked out?

Raith, United and Cove proposed a motion for the case to be dismissed and sent to arbitration; that motion was denied, because it's merely suspended while it goes to arbitration, as per the SPFL's motion. The three clubs still have to fight their case in arbitration.

[matty_f]

Honestly. The irony of all this.

Hearts are clearly, by the signings they've made, and the not-so-anonymous benefactor, the best placed team to ride out the storm financially. If they actually followed their own pishy rhetoric, they'd "take one for the team" and go down quietly, knowing full well they'll be fine for cash.

But no. Instead they want to make innocent teams like Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove (who had the temerity to be top of their leagues when the global pandemic took over) suffer. Even though these teams have nothing like the financial clout that Hearts have.

They have shown themselves up time and time again to be absolute ****s who couldn't give a flying **** about anyone but themselves.

Scottish football is in the middle of a crisis, and although the pandemic is clearly the number one cause, Ann Budge and her cronies are a clear second.

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Hearts claims to just wanting a fair outcome have been shown to be utter nonsense in all this. They just don’t want to be the club that got hit. Happy to see it happen to three other clubs though.

Hypocrites of Midlothian.

[The 90+2]

They case was never heard. The asked for it to be dismissed before it was decided where it would be heard.

So they asked for the case to be dismissed it got kicked out why no just leave it to the SPFL now then?

[matty_f]

So they asked for the case to be dismissed it got kicked out why no just leave it to the SPFL now then?

They still have to argue that their promotion should not be reversed.

Hearts are trying to **** them.

[The 90+2]

Raith, United and Cove proposed a motion for the case to be dismissed and sent to arbitration; that motion was denied, because it's merely suspended while it goes to arbitration, as per the SPFL's motion. The three clubs still have to fight their case in arbitration.

Are they still not fighting the same case as the SPFL?

[The 90+2]

They still have to argue that their promotion should not be reversed.

Hearts are trying to **** them.

As much as I get that isn’t that what the SPFL are fighting against anyway? Is it a case of the more representation the better?

[FilipinoHibs]

Don't see why they are swithering on the crowd funding. Get it started ASAP, surely there's no downside.

I would contribute and I am sure hundreds of other Hibs' fans plus thousands of other fans. Hearts are really the most despicable of clubs.

[Col2]

Budge will retire in the next 18 months and will have been responsible for zero trophies, pissing away 10s of £ms in dreadful players and vanity projects and will now been remembered as the most selfish, cowardly and despised person in Scottish football.

I used to think to Hearts as our Edinburgh near by rivals, given how budge has reacted I want nothing but the absolute worst for them.

[poolman]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5777316/raith-rovers-promotion-legal-battle-bust/

Apologies for the source, but how ridiculous is this? Team could go bust defending their right to be promoted after the SPFL took a vote and crowned them champions. Sure Hearts fans will be delighted to hear another club could die though. SPFL and SFA need to get a grip of this.

That's the sad thing

That horrible lot over the road will be delighted about this

And they call us vermin 🙄

[Ozyhibby]

James Anderson acting the good guy while funding legal action that is sending clubs to the wall.


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[Kato]

Dup

[Kato]

James Anderson acting the good guy while funding legal action that is sending clubs to the wall.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSportsound commentators want him to get a knighthood.

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[Tambo]

I'm sure I read that the arbitration will start today? I guess that would be to decide who's on the panel etc can someone confirm?

[Since452]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5777316/raith-rovers-promotion-legal-battle-bust/

Apologies for the source, but how ridiculous is this? Team could go bust defending their right to be promoted after the SPFL took a vote and crowned them champions. Sure Hearts fans will be delighted to hear another club could die though. SPFL and SFA need to get a grip of this.

And they call Hibs vermin.

****bags

[Duke of Currie]

Reading about Raith's situation reminds me of the occassions where large corporations with expensive lawyers who are in the wrong threaten innocent members of the public with expensive legal proceedings in the hope they will drop the case. It is an act of a party with deeper pockets who become desperate.

Hearts and Partick both have had benefcators and large donations of money and can try one last throw of the dice to try and force smaller , less wealthy clubs , in a time of struggle , to drop out of a legal challenge or go to the wall saving something they have earned.

I hope this gets resolved quickly and with no impact to Dundee Utd , Cove and Raith but the memory of Hearts and Particks actions will not go away for a long , long time

[Since452]

Opinion piece by Bill Leckie.

100% spot on - every single point.

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1279894322264055808?s=21

Finally a journalist saying exactly what 99.9% of Scottish football fans are saying. Bravo Bill Leckie.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Finally a journalist saying exactly what 99.9% of Scottish football fans are saying. Bravo Bill Leckie.

Refreshing isn’t it?!

Would be nice to hear more of them listen to the average football fan

I used to enjoy listening to sportsound but it’s become a joke, hearts mouth piece that claimed to know the Scottish clubs favoured reconstruction and it would pass

16/40 - probably their average score on their school tests

[theonlywayisup]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5777316/raith-rovers-promotion-legal-battle-bust/


This needed to be copied for all to see. This needs to be circulated to all - a perfect summary of where we are at the moment. Scottish Football is in meltdown all because of one person and her incompetence.




He’s also bang on when he expresses his dismay that Scottish football hasn’t been able to sort itself out despite its problems not meaning a toss compared to what’s going on in the wider world.

Without wishing to pick an argument with one of the game’s good guys, though, I have to say that, if he’s searching for a reason why it’s all gone so pear-shaped, it’s right under his nose; right there in his boyhood club’s boardroom.

Hearts are the ones who finished bottom of the table despite spending top-three money on players.

Hearts are the ones who panicked and demanded those players take pay cuts before the government even had the chance to introduce the furlough scheme.

Hearts backed the wrong horse in the vote on ending the season early, then again on the vote calling for an independent probe into how that decision was reached.

A reconstruction plan that would have saved their bacon fell on its backside, even though their own sugar-mummy Ann Budge chaired the committee who came up with it.

They dragged United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers into their legal fight to have the final tables declared void, a situation that has left Raith fearing they’ll be unable to risk a six-figure legal bill and will simply be crossing their fingers that the decision goes their way.

As if this wasn’t heavy-handed enough, Budge then nicked Robbie Neilson from Tannadice as her new manager — a hefty investment which, along with the deal to bring Gordon in from Celtic, is an almighty boot in the stones for every employee forced into a drop in wages when Budge pleaded poverty.

I know Jambos fans will be sick of reading this, maybe even as sick as I am of writing it, but it has to be put on record that, despite dominating the headlines for pretty much all of these 115 locked-down days, their club have produced not one positive, winning idea.

Good God, even when the hugely-generous James Anderson offered a donation of millions to make sure no clubs went down the pan, all Budge had to do was introduce him to Neil Doncaster and let them shake hands, but even then she managed to turn it into a fight.

Like Rangers chairman Douglas Park before her, she’s read the room wrong time and again. She’s been fighting shadows, punching smoke.

Plus, when she and her lawyers were throwing their weight around by plunging the plans of the three lower league winners into disarray, why didn’t they have the courage to claim that Celtic shouldn’t have been named Premiership champions?

After all, if they’re actually saying relegation shouldn’t have counted, how can the title stand?

Sorry, but there are more holes in Budge’s defence than . . . well, there were in her back four all last season, which really is saying something. And, for the umpteenth time, let me also say without fear of contradiction that, if they’d come off the bottom by winning at Paisley in the last, pivotal match before the shutters came down, we’d never have heard a peep from them.

So, sure, there will be bad blood whatever happens now. But it’s Hearts who spilled it.

Sure, it’ll forever be a crying shame that they, Partick Thistle and Stranraer were condemned to the drop when they still had enough games left to save themselves.

But there are also countless businesses who might never open their doors again, tens of thousands of workers sweating over when they’ll earn a crust again.

All Hearts were asked to do was suck up some rank bad luck and agree to kick a ball around in a different division come August — a division they’d be odds-on favourites to win.

Whatever happens next in this sorry, sordid saga, the fact that they preferred to cause chaos for everyone else around them will stain those famous maroon shirts for a long time to come.

[where'stheslope]

Sure, it’ll forever be a crying shame that they, Partick Thistle and Stranraer were condemned to the drop when they still had enough games left to save themselves.

Not sure about this one? Did Hertz not have games to save themselves?

[Oscar T Grouch]

Sure, it’ll forever be a crying shame that they, Partick Thistle and Stranraer were condemned to the drop when they still had enough games left to save themselves.

Not sure about this one? Did Hertz not have games to save themselves?



That’s what it says, “they, Patrick thistle and Stranraer”

[Ozyhibby]

I would contribute and I am sure hundreds of other Hibs' fans plus thousands of other fans. Hearts are really the most despicable of clubs.

All the spare money I’m willing to put into Scottish football is going to HSL right now and it will stay that way. I’m not sure why we appear more skint than others right now but that’s for another day.
If Raith go under then that’s on Hearts and they can live with the stigma of that.


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[Joe6-2]

All the spare money I’m willing to put into Scottish football is going to HSL right now and it will stay that way. I’m not sure why we appear more skint than others right now but that’s for another day.
If Raith go under then that’s on Hearts and they can live with the stigma of that.


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Do you think for one minute it would bother them one single iota?

[Barney McGrew]

Do you think for one minute it would bother them one single iota?

A quick five minute read of Kickback or any social media channel will show you they don’t give a monkeys, and in fact are celebrating the possibility of another club going just bust for having the temerity to be top of their league when the music stopped.

Hopefully the MSM will now start to dig into them like Bill Leckie has, this charade about not wanting anyone disadvantaged by what’s happened should be exposed for the self serving lie it is. They only care about Hertz, and don’t care what other clubs are affected as long as they’re OK.

[Springbank]

I thought Raiths case got kicked out?

Last week's case was essentially about the choice of venue for the case

Home (SFA Arbitration - spfl choice)
Away (Courts - hearts choice)
Or match abandoned (raith/du/cove)

The judge declared it a home fixture

The game hasn't kicked off yet

[EdinMike]

A quick five minute read of Kickback will show you they don’t give a monkeys.

Hopefully the MSM will now start to dig into them like Bill Leckie has, this charade about not wanting anyone disadvantaged by what’s happened should be exposed for the self serving lie it is. They only care about Hertz, and don’t care what other clubs are affected as long as they’re OK.

I mean anyone with common sense knew it was always about Hearts. But muppets like Tom English will still make them out to be the fallen heroes.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

A quick five minute read of Kickback will show you they don’t give a monkeys.

Hopefully the MSM will now start to dig into them like Bill Leckie has, this charade about not wanting anyone disadvantaged by what’s happened should be exposed for the self serving lie it is. They only care about Hertz, and don’t care what other clubs are affected as long as they’re OK.

MSM? Doubt it. Numbers, advertising, the Marooned pound.

[oneone73]

Leckie's a St Mirren fan, isn't he? Quite liking that club just now.

[Barney McGrew]

Leckie's a St Mirren fan, isn't he?.

Falkirk.

[Onion]

Finally a journalist saying exactly what 99.9% of Scottish football fans are saying. Bravo Bill Leckie.

Emperor's new clothes, I tell ye'.

"Whatever happens next in this sorry, sordid saga, the fact that they preferred to cause chaos for everyone else around them will stain those maroon shirts for a long time to come."

[InchHibby]

This needed to be copied for all to see. This needs to be circulated to all - a perfect summary of where we are at the moment. Scottish Football is in meltdown all because of one person and her incompetence.

I also said, from day one of their griping, that if they had beaten St Mirren in their last game, you wouldn’t have heard a peep from them.

[Ozyhibby]

Do you think for one minute it would bother them one single iota?

Not their fans, at least not right now but in the long term it would be damaging for them.


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[flash]

Falkirk.

St Mirren 100%. Gordon Waddell is Falkirk.

[Since452]

Falkirk.

He's definitely a St Mirren fan

[Barney McGrew]

St Mirren 100%. Gordon Waddell is Falkirk.

Right enough. My Monday morning brain fog is still in place :faf:

[Sammy7nil]

Leckie's a St Mirren fan, isn't he? Quite liking that club just now.


Falkirk.

defo St Mirren fan

[lucky]

How can RR be on the verge of administration based on spending £16333 on a legal case? Whilst that’s money they shouldn’t have had to spend it’s not going to make them bust. United have rich owners so they can help fund their fight. I doubt many fans would contribute to a crowd funding page for the 3 of them. As others are saying any Hibs fan with extra cash should donate to HSL rather than other clubs.

[Bostonhibby]

This is a good piece and it's actually nice to see some frustration with Hearts from the MSM, given how deserved it is.

Despite that, I actually struggled to read it after getting to the image of their new stand. I will never come to terms with how much it resembles an early 90s office block constructed in an industrial estate in Slough.Bland, grey, soulless, disheveled, a product of a bygone era, not quite the finished article. Did you know they designed the megastand around the fans?

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[Sammy7nil]

How can RR be on the verge of administration based on spending £16333 on a legal case? Whilst that’s money they shouldn’t have had to spend it’s not going to make them bust. United have rich owners so they can help fund their fight. I doubt many fans would contribute to a crowd funding page for the 3 of them. As others are saying any Hibs fan with extra cash should donate to HSL rather than other clubs.

I am sure some fans would contribute. If however Hearts and Partick lose the case the SFA should fine them both to cover the legal costs.

[Ozyhibby]

How can RR be on the verge of administration based on spending £16333 on a legal case? Whilst that’s money they shouldn’t have had to spend it’s not going to make them bust. United have rich owners so they can help fund their fight. I doubt many fans would contribute to a crowd funding page for the 3 of them. As others are saying any Hibs fan with extra cash should donate to HSL rather than other clubs.

They have paid out the £16k already, the next stage could cost them a lot more. Most clubs are struggling to get by just now without any income and Raith have no games until October. Unexpected legal bills that high would put a lot of clubs under.


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[Peevemor]

How can RR be on the verge of administration based on spending £16333 on a legal case? Whilst that’s money they shouldn’t have had to spend it’s not going to make them bust. United have rich owners so they can help fund their fight. I doubt many fans would contribute to a crowd funding page for the 3 of them. As others are saying any Hibs fan with extra cash should donate to HSL rather than other clubs.


We don't know how much it's cost them to date (the £50k divided by 3 is a guess) and we don't know how much it will eventually cost them after arbitration.

Having Counsel/Junior Counsel and solicitors with the meter running is scary stuff.

[rossevenil]

Leslie Deans spouting mair gash in the press calling for 2 fixture lists to be issued today,1 with 12 Premiership Teams in it and 1 with 11 plus a Championship club!

Seriously who keeps asking this idiot for his opinion as if he is some sort of Club Official.

[Crazyhorse]

Bland, grey, soulless, disheveled, a product of a bygone era, not quite the finished article. Did you know they designed the megastand around the fans?

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That glass curtain is really impressive though. Every other club can only look on in awe... 🤥

[greenginger]

Leslie Deans spouting mair gash in the press calling for 2 fixture lists to be issued today,1 with 12 Premiership Teams in it and 1 with 11 plus a Championship club!

Seriously who keeps asking this idiot for his opinion as if he is some sort of Club Official.

And maybe a Championship fixture list with just 9 clubs in it :devil:

[Spike Mandela]

That glass curtain is really impressive though. Every other club can only look on in awe... 🤥

Looks like my high school in the 70’s😳

[Bostonhibby]

Do you think for one minute it would bother them one single iota?They won't, their approach to their self declared special relationship with WW1 whilst not actually acknowledging the contradiction of their club failing to ensure they at least paid the Lady Haig poppy fund for a wreath before they put themselves into administration tells you all you need to know.

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[MrSmith]

I am sure some fans would contribute. If however Hearts and Partick lose the case the SFA should fine them both to cover the legal costs.

I’m of the opinion that Hearts & Partick should in no way be allowed to bring in new players for next season at this point. All active business should be suspended due to taking Scottish football to court.

[JimBHibees]

Leslie Deans spouting mair gash in the press calling for 2 fixture lists to be issued today,1 with 12 Premiership Teams in it and 1 with 11 plus a Championship club!

Seriously who keeps asking this idiot for his opinion as if he is some sort of Club Official.

Best ignored that clown

[hibbyfraelibby]

They won't, their approach to their self declared special relationship with WW1 whilst not actually acknowledging the contradiction of their club failing to ensure they at least paid the Lady Haig poppy fund for a wreath before they put themselves into administration tells you all you need to know.

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Really gets on my goat the way they have hijacked Macrae's narrative. They seem to forget that a significant number of players and supporters from two other teams signed up too. Its one of the reasons Hibs were always represented at the Haymarket memorial service.

However their disgusting attitude toward Raith Rovers, the other team, sums up their verminous arrogance. It wasn't just Hearts who lost players and supporters on the Somme on that day in July 1916 fighting in that battalion. Raith proportionally lost more.

[Brunswickbill]

He's definitely a St Mirren fan

Aye. He used to go to Love Street With his dad.

[Sammy7nil]

The thread on KB is a cesspit, the venom and lack of knowledge is scary. I know I should stop looking but it is like a car crash you know you shouldn't look but you are drawn to it.

Note to myself stay away from KB.

[Aldo]

So Budge has went from no team should be disproportionately disadvantaged to dragging Cove, Raith and Utd into the mix.

I know they were classless however this is a new low. What did Cove, Raith and Utd do??? Be the best team in their respective leagues when they ended!

Budge us more than happy to see other teams struggle yet cares not one jot.

All in all Budge will blame COVID for all this and take little or no responsibility for what she is doing.

I know that the SFA are looking at possible punishment and I really do hope it is severe (I know it won’t be though)

All about them from the off, we know this but why are the media ie Sportsound giving them such an easy time. Why have Dick Gordon and co not called them out on this?


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[Sammy7nil]

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I'm aware this is an essay, but nevermind!



It’s come to the point where I feel I can’t stand by any more. A reality check needs to kick-in at some point here.



At the time when the league was suspended, Hearts were bottom. They were beaten 1-0 by St Mirren in a game which the vast majority of Hearts supporters, and everyone else, had labelled as “must win”. Hearts didn’t win this game, and were therefore four points adrift at the bottom of the table with eight games to play. Hearts had won four games all season. The performance at St Mirren was described variously as “meek”, “insipid” and “lacking threat”. Hearts nearest rivals for relegation were unbeaten in their last five home matches and had kept clean sheets in four of those.



Hearts supporters shared the view that, from a sporting point of view, they were the worst team in the league. On 14th March, under the title of “At What point Did You Think Our Season Was Doomed?”, various posters on JKB acknowledged how poor Hearts were. Saughton Jambo, who has recently been noticeably vocal around fairness with regards to the Court of Session case, pointed out “This is worse than the 80-81 season [when Hearts were relegated]. We had an excuse back then... we don’t now”. Stan pointed out that “Going 3 down to Killie after the break … was the last chance to turn the corner and finish the season well”. Famous 1874 said that “It’s hard to say when we were doomed as we’ve been s***e all season bar a handful of results”. In a poll on the 14th March on JKB, 12.8% of Hearts own fans acknowledged that they deserved to be relegated.



From a sporting perspective, Hearts were the worst football team in the league. In the match thread following the St Mirren defeat, the overall mood was disappointment and acknowledgment of how poor a team they were. In that match thread, Fozzyonthefence noted prior to the defeat “Lose on Wednesday and we’re down. I think you’re the only person on here that doesn’t think that” in response to a poster suggesting they could stay up. JimmyCant pointed out that “We’ve got 5 key games left … We’ll need to win 4 out of those 5. That’s becoming a big ask the more you look at it.” Bear in mind, this is a Hearts team that had won four times all season.



On sporting merit, Hearts deserved to be relegated.



There is also the worrying trend emerging around Hearts supporters expressly hoping for negative outcomes for other clubs whilst at the same time becoming noticeably vocal around the concept of fairness. There is the startling example of the post on the aforementioned St Mirren matchday thread of a poster highlighting how funny it would be to beat St Mirren, sending them bottom, and then for the season to be called due to COVID19. I’m fairly certain the poster in question has had this particular post copy/pasted several times, and so I’ll spare them the reminder of it. This schadenfreude has now been replaced by hoping that other clubs go into administration, seemingly based on the assumption that they “voted against Hearts” in order to relegate them.



Throughout various threads, numerous assertions have been made as to which clubs people would like to go into administration. The thread titled “Administration” from 26th June notes that some fans believe that “quite a few” will suffer this fate and that Hearts should “Get that interdict served ASAP”. Amongst others, Dundee, Hibs, St Mirren, Ross County, Hamilton and Albion Rovers are all named as clubs that posters hope enter administration, a process which results in numerous job losses and can end in financial hardship for ordinary employees. It’s noteworthy that several of these clubs were Hearts rivals within the bottom six of the league.Thank goodness for the few comments of common sense on such matters, notably Sassenach, who said “I've suffered admin events … It's horrible, and I wouldn't wish it on any fellow football fans”. Some things surely transcend sport.



The matter of finance also comes into play in issue. Hearts suffered a previous administration event, ultimately leading to their relegation in the 2010s. This was caused largely by financial mismanagement. Within their list of creditors, Hearts included fellow football clubs Ayr United, Livingston, Musselburgh Athletic, Stenhousemuir and Rangers. They also owed monies to a variety of public bodies, including the City of Edinburgh Council, Scottish Water and Scottish Police Authority. There are no winners in administration events. Supporter boycotts of all clubs who voted against Hearts league reconstruction proposals have been widely mentioned online.



To a significant extent, supporters of other clubs (the Pie & Bovril forum is a marker of this) do sympathise with the situation in which Hearts currently find themselves, but many have expressed a significant distaste for the sense of entitlement being displayed. Under the JKB thread of “Wigan Go Into Administration”, posters note that there may be “decent freebies to be had” and that this is “karma for Webstergate”. The irony and understanding of the concept of karma and justice for perceived previous wrongdoings is an interesting one.



Similarly, the suggestion that Dundee United are a target of Hearts fans’ dislike appears to be an interesting perspective. Taken from the thread last week on JKB “I Used To Post On Here About Liking Dundee Utd”, Salad Fingers notes that he/she “recently developed a strong hatred of them and their fans”. The supposed crime committed by Dundee United is defending themselves and their promotion in the Court of Session and being asked to pay £50,000 for the privilege.



The thread posted this morning on JKB titled “Merging Clubs” highlights and reinforces the prevailing sense of entitlement amongst posters on the site, perhaps representative of the wider Hearts support. The assertion from Space Pirate that there are “far too many wee diddy clubs” and that clubs should merge underlines the contempt in which other clubs in Scotland are held.



As it stands, the hugely successful Foundation of Hearts brings circa £2M into the club each year from fans and it has been revealed that James Anderson has acted as a benefactor over recent times. During this time, Hearts have spent £17M on a main stand within Tynecastle and this is yet to be fully completed. During the recent Court of Session case, various figures of compensation have been raised and noted, both on JKB and within the Scottish media. It has been suggested that Hearts are seeking compensation and damages in the region of £8M.



Following on from the Court of Session hearing, Hearts supporters are seemingly painting the club, and Ann Budge in particular, as champions of justice, noting that there is a crucial role to be played in fighting corruption. Indeed, it has been suggested that Ann Budge previously stepped down from her role on the SPFL Board as she wanted to challenge the corruption that she saw. Reporting of the matter would seem to indicate otherwise - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts-chairwoman-ann-budge-voted-spfl-board-583624



Throughout this process since March, there has been much play with regards to revisionism. The term relegated has been replaced with expelled, for instance. Interestingly, manager Daniel Stendal’s contract reputably had a clause allowing it’s termination in the event of relegation, as confirmed by both Ann Budge and Daniel Stendal. This clause was enacted. The tone and portrayal of Ann Budge has shifted too. Compare the descriptions with regards to her perceived leadership skills that were expressed on JKB during January and February to now.



Before Hearts continue to fall further down the rabbit hole of blaming other people, clubs and institutions, perhaps the blame needs to lie closer to home.

[matty_f]

That’s an outstanding post, Sammy.

I don’t imagine it’ll be well received on Kickback but they’ve called it spot on.

[007]

That’s an outstanding post, Sammy.

I don’t imagine it’ll be well received on Kickback but they’ve called it spot on.

That post is how they are seen from the outside yet they wonder why they are the most hated club. Sadly the only effect it might have, other than the probable bile in direct response, is that some might tone down their comments for a day or two before reverting to type.

[Pete]

This was someone's first post on KB



Members
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Posted 55 minutes ago
I'm aware this is an essay, but nevermind!



It’s come to the point where I feel I can’t stand by any more. A reality check needs to kick-in at some point here.



At the time when the league was suspended, Hearts were bottom. They were beaten 1-0 by St Mirren in a game which the vast majority of Hearts supporters, and everyone else, had labelled as “must win”. Hearts didn’t win this game, and were therefore four points adrift at the bottom of the table with eight games to play. Hearts had won four games all season. The performance at St Mirren was described variously as “meek”, “insipid” and “lacking threat”. Hearts nearest rivals for relegation were unbeaten in their last five home matches and had kept clean sheets in four of those.



Hearts supporters shared the view that, from a sporting point of view, they were the worst team in the league. On 14th March, under the title of “At What point Did You Think Our Season Was Doomed?”, various posters on JKB acknowledged how poor Hearts were. Saughton Jambo, who has recently been noticeably vocal around fairness with regards to the Court of Session case, pointed out “This is worse than the 80-81 season [when Hearts were relegated]. We had an excuse back then... we don’t now”. Stan pointed out that “Going 3 down to Killie after the break … was the last chance to turn the corner and finish the season well”. Famous 1874 said that “It’s hard to say when we were doomed as we’ve been s***e all season bar a handful of results”. In a poll on the 14th March on JKB, 12.8% of Hearts own fans acknowledged that they deserved to be relegated.



From a sporting perspective, Hearts were the worst football team in the league. In the match thread following the St Mirren defeat, the overall mood was disappointment and acknowledgment of how poor a team they were. In that match thread, Fozzyonthefence noted prior to the defeat “Lose on Wednesday and we’re down. I think you’re the only person on here that doesn’t think that” in response to a poster suggesting they could stay up. JimmyCant pointed out that “We’ve got 5 key games left … We’ll need to win 4 out of those 5. That’s becoming a big ask the more you look at it.” Bear in mind, this is a Hearts team that had won four times all season.



On sporting merit, Hearts deserved to be relegated.



There is also the worrying trend emerging around Hearts supporters expressly hoping for negative outcomes for other clubs whilst at the same time becoming noticeably vocal around the concept of fairness. There is the startling example of the post on the aforementioned St Mirren matchday thread of a poster highlighting how funny it would be to beat St Mirren, sending them bottom, and then for the season to be called due to COVID19. I’m fairly certain the poster in question has had this particular post copy/pasted several times, and so I’ll spare them the reminder of it. This schadenfreude has now been replaced by hoping that other clubs go into administration, seemingly based on the assumption that they “voted against Hearts” in order to relegate them.



Throughout various threads, numerous assertions have been made as to which clubs people would like to go into administration. The thread titled “Administration” from 26th June notes that some fans believe that “quite a few” will suffer this fate and that Hearts should “Get that interdict served ASAP”. Amongst others, Dundee, Hibs, St Mirren, Ross County, Hamilton and Albion Rovers are all named as clubs that posters hope enter administration, a process which results in numerous job losses and can end in financial hardship for ordinary employees. It’s noteworthy that several of these clubs were Hearts rivals within the bottom six of the league.Thank goodness for the few comments of common sense on such matters, notably Sassenach, who said “I've suffered admin events … It's horrible, and I wouldn't wish it on any fellow football fans”. Some things surely transcend sport.



The matter of finance also comes into play in issue. Hearts suffered a previous administration event, ultimately leading to their relegation in the 2010s. This was caused largely by financial mismanagement. Within their list of creditors, Hearts included fellow football clubs Ayr United, Livingston, Musselburgh Athletic, Stenhousemuir and Rangers. They also owed monies to a variety of public bodies, including the City of Edinburgh Council, Scottish Water and Scottish Police Authority. There are no winners in administration events. Supporter boycotts of all clubs who voted against Hearts league reconstruction proposals have been widely mentioned online.



To a significant extent, supporters of other clubs (the Pie & Bovril forum is a marker of this) do sympathise with the situation in which Hearts currently find themselves, but many have expressed a significant distaste for the sense of entitlement being displayed. Under the JKB thread of “Wigan Go Into Administration”, posters note that there may be “decent freebies to be had” and that this is “karma for Webstergate”. The irony and understanding of the concept of karma and justice for perceived previous wrongdoings is an interesting one.



Similarly, the suggestion that Dundee United are a target of Hearts fans’ dislike appears to be an interesting perspective. Taken from the thread last week on JKB “I Used To Post On Here About Liking Dundee Utd”, Salad Fingers notes that he/she “recently developed a strong hatred of them and their fans”. The supposed crime committed by Dundee United is defending themselves and their promotion in the Court of Session and being asked to pay £50,000 for the privilege.



The thread posted this morning on JKB titled “Merging Clubs” highlights and reinforces the prevailing sense of entitlement amongst posters on the site, perhaps representative of the wider Hearts support. The assertion from Space Pirate that there are “far too many wee diddy clubs” and that clubs should merge underlines the contempt in which other clubs in Scotland are held.



As it stands, the hugely successful Foundation of Hearts brings circa £2M into the club each year from fans and it has been revealed that James Anderson has acted as a benefactor over recent times. During this time, Hearts have spent £17M on a main stand within Tynecastle and this is yet to be fully completed. During the recent Court of Session case, various figures of compensation have been raised and noted, both on JKB and within the Scottish media. It has been suggested that Hearts are seeking compensation and damages in the region of £8M.



Following on from the Court of Session hearing, Hearts supporters are seemingly painting the club, and Ann Budge in particular, as champions of justice, noting that there is a crucial role to be played in fighting corruption. Indeed, it has been suggested that Ann Budge previously stepped down from her role on the SPFL Board as she wanted to challenge the corruption that she saw. Reporting of the matter would seem to indicate otherwise - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts-chairwoman-ann-budge-voted-spfl-board-583624



Throughout this process since March, there has been much play with regards to revisionism. The term relegated has been replaced with expelled, for instance. Interestingly, manager Daniel Stendal’s contract reputably had a clause allowing it’s termination in the event of relegation, as confirmed by both Ann Budge and Daniel Stendal. This clause was enacted. The tone and portrayal of Ann Budge has shifted too. Compare the descriptions with regards to her perceived leadership skills that were expressed on JKB during January and February to now.



Before Hearts continue to fall further down the rabbit hole of blaming other people, clubs and institutions, perhaps the blame needs to lie closer to home.

Boom

[jacomo]

That’s an outstanding post, Sammy.

I don’t imagine it’ll be well received on Kickback but they’ve called it spot on.


That poster has surely been emptied already?

[Iain G]

That’s an outstanding post, Sammy.

I don’t imagine it’ll be well received on Kickback but they’ve called it spot on.




I suspect that will be both their first and last post :greengrin

[Jim44]

Leslie Deans spouting mair gash in the press calling for 2 fixture lists to be issued today,1 with 12 Premiership Teams in it and 1 with 11 plus a Championship club!

Seriously who keeps asking this idiot for his opinion as if he is some sort of Club Official.

He’s not and if truth be told he is despised by many Jambos for past connections with them. Because he is uttering what they want to hear, he’s now a fan’s guru.

His recent spew about insisting the SPFL ‘documents’ being made readily and fully available for the arbitration panel is interesting. He, personally, from past personal experience knows the importance of the damage evidence can do. :wink: In this case, however, he is barking up the wrong tree. His problem is small man syndrome.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1280064876094898179?s=21


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[Iain G]

His problem is small man syndrome.

I think his problem is he is a opinionated, self important, wee jambo fud of a trumped up estate agent :wink:

[Hiber-nation]

Just been speaking to a The Rangers supporter who is livid about the whole Hearts situation and thinks they should be relegated to the bottom tier.

They have few friends even amongst the dregs of Scottish football. Every non-jambo I've spoken to says they fully deserve to go down. So just Sportsound then....

[jacomo]

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1280064876094898179?s=21


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ND is boring but he’s proved himself to be a safe pair of hands during this crisis.

The temptation to lay into Budge must be overwhelming at times, but he is staying level headed and restrained!

[Jim44]

Just been speaking to a The Rangers supporter who is livid about the whole Hearts situation and thinks they should be relegated to the bottom tier.

They have few friends even amongst the dregs of Scottish football. Every non-jambo I've spoken to says they fully deserve to go down. So just Sportsound then....

The The Rangers fans have mixed emotions. On the one hand, they hate the mess Hearts are creating but are enjoying the fact that they think Doncaster and the SPFL are being put under extreme pressure which will result in some sort of clear out. I think they’re in for a disappointment.

[Irish_Steve]

That’s an outstanding post, Sammy.

I don’t imagine it’ll be well received on Kickback but they’ve called it spot on.

It certainly has wound them up especially the ones that keep typing"Stop re-posting the whole comment" only to find the next tube on Brokeback quotes the whole post - excellent stuff

[hibeerealist]

They have paid out the £16k already, the next stage could cost them a lot more. Most clubs are struggling to get by just now without any income and Raith have no games until October. Unexpected legal bills that high would put a lot of clubs under.


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Maybe the generous Mr J Anderson will take pity on their plight and fund it?????

[Since452]

Raith Rovers v Hearts could be very tasty

[007]

It certainly has wound them up especially the ones that keep typing"Stop re-posting the whole comment" only to find the next tube on Brokeback quotes the whole post - excellent stuff

If they're queueing up to have a go at him then he's obviously hit the nail on the head.

[Seveno]

How can RR be on the verge of administration based on spending £16333 on a legal case? Whilst that’s money they shouldn’t have had to spend it’s not going to make them bust. United have rich owners so they can help fund their fight. I doubt many fans would contribute to a crowd funding page for the 3 of them. As others are saying any Hibs fan with extra cash should donate to HSL rather than other clubs.

I am sure that Val McDermid will bail them out.

[Irish_Steve]

Ha ha ha - he/she has posted again and once more the maroon balloons are biting!

33 minutes ago, firsttimecaller said:
In order to set a few points correct with regards to things I posted earlier.

Obviously, I don’t support Hearts, nor do I have a vested interest in the SPFL. I follow my local club, Bonnyrigg Rose.

No, I’m not a journalist or being paid or asked to post.

To be frank, I felt compelled to post on the basis I genuinely believe that the bigger picture is being missed here by supporters of Hearts on here in the dash to lay blame at everyone else’s door.

[04Sauzee]

Raith Rovers v Hearts could be very tasty

Anybody not going to that?

[Bostonhibby]

Anybody not going to that?Count me in, unless Hearts have joined the English leagues by then and are playing Wimbledon or MK Don's as I obviously won't be going there instead.

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[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Ha ha ha - he/she has posted again and once more the maroon balloons are biting!

33 minutes ago, firsttimecaller said:
In order to set a few points correct with regards to things I posted earlier.

Obviously, I don’t support Hearts, nor do I have a vested interest in the SPFL. I follow my local club, Bonnyrigg Rose.

No, I’m not a journalist or being paid or asked to post.

To be frank, I felt compelled to post on the basis I genuinely believe that the bigger picture is being missed here by supporters of Hearts on here in the dash to lay blame at everyone else’s door.

The truth is too painful for them. I didn't think that would be a Hearts supporter writing that - far too refreshingly honest and sensible to be a yam.

[Col2]

Raith v Hearts & Dundee v Hearts - tasty

ICTv Hearts a total love fest ❤️

[Irish_Steve]

Raith v Hearts & Dundee v Hearts - tasty

ICTv Hearts a total love fest ❤️

The "Duelling Banjos" Derby

[Coco Bryce]

Ha ha ha - he/she has posted again and once more the maroon balloons are biting!

33 minutes ago, firsttimecaller said:
In order to set a few points correct with regards to things I posted earlier.

Obviously, I don’t support Hearts, nor do I have a vested interest in the SPFL. I follow my local club, Bonnyrigg Rose.

No, I’m not a journalist or being paid or asked to post.

To be frank, I felt compelled to post on the basis I genuinely believe that the bigger picture is being missed here by supporters of Hearts on here in the dash to lay blame at everyone else’s door.

It's Gary Locke :greengrin

[Jim44]

How well will their players do in almost every away game with no supporters? The muppets might get some perverse satisfaction from boycotting but have they stopped to think of the morale of their team. Do the muppets think their players will thrive on revenge and hatred?

[007]

How well will their players do in almost every away game with no supporters? The muppets might get some perverse satisfaction from boycotting but have they stopped to think of the morale of their team. Do the muppets think their players will thrive on revenge and hatred?

They'll probably do better without the usual abuse their own fans dish out to them.

[mal]

ICTv Hearts a total love fest ❤️

Do the actual ICT fans have a love-in with Hearts? I've only seen comments from the numpties on their board, who seemed to be supporting Hearts/Rangers position on things to the detriment of their own club. I know what our reaction would be if our board was doing that so I wondered if the ICT supporters were the same.

[poolman]

Raith v Hearts & Dundee v Hearts - tasty

ICTv Hearts a total love fest ❤️


Complete with large screens in the town centre 😆

[Bostonhibby]

Complete with large screens in the town centre [emoji38]Maybe there'll be a few cake stalls and face painting? Just to make their new pals feel at home.

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[Keith_M]

I've looked at a few currency exchange websites but can't find 'The Maroon Pound' on any of them.


Is it maybe some kind of Virtual Currency?

:dunno:

[Bostonhibby]

I've looked at a few currency exchange websites but can't find 'The Maroon Pound' on any of them.


Is it maybe some kind of Virtual Currency?

:dunno:Available to maroon pounders only.

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[nonshinyfinish]

I've looked at a few currency exchange websites but can't find 'The Maroon Pound' on any of them.


Is it maybe some kind of Virtual Currency?

:dunno:

Close, it's cryptocurrency:

https://i.imgur.com/VuyURG6.jpg

[Bostonhibby]

Close, it's cryptocurrency:

https://i.imgur.com/VuyURG6.jpg[emoji23]

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[jacomo]

How well will their players do in almost every away game with no supporters? The muppets might get some perverse satisfaction from boycotting but have they stopped to think of the morale of their team. Do the muppets think their players will thrive on revenge and hatred?


How will Hearts as a club cope if every other club follows their lead and also acts in a petty and vindictive manner? Being shunned by every opponent over the course of a season (save ICT of course) will take its toll.

[Springbank]

Wow, if you are Ann Budge or James Anderson, you have a helluva job on your hands with the baying mob that is the Hearts support right now.

The 2 excellent articles from earlier today (from Bill Leckie in the Sun & from the "First Time Caller" poster on Kickback) have brought out more venom from Kickback than you'd find in a full snakepit of Cobras

This page alone...
https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188814-spfl-declare-league-due-to-covid-go-to-arbitration/page/1486/#comments (https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188814-spfl-declare-league-due-to-covid-go-to-arbitration/page/1486/#comments)

...has fans of the little Gorgie community club giving it "Fxxx Bonnyrigg Rose" who are apparently "too wee" and should "stick to fights with the bowling club next door", while also threatening to put in Bill Leckie's windows (you stay classy now, Jambos), and relishing lots of clubs going bust ("fxxx them all")

I'd say Ann and James have a right mess on their hands over in EH11, that won't be cleaned up overnight...

[MrSmith]

How well will their players do in almost every away game with no supporters? The muppets might get some perverse satisfaction from boycotting but have they stopped to think of the morale of their team. Do the muppets think their players will thrive on revenge and hatred?

AB and her Bonny benny factor will buy advantage and win the league easily. It stinks but that is what they will set out to do. I really feel, given the chaos caused by Hearts in their attempt to both corrupt and subvert Scottish Football, they should incur a transfer embargo and points deduction at the start of the championship season, if not before.

[portyfelly]

[emoji23]






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You must mean Crapto currency ??? gotta be

[Caversham Green]

Anybody not going to that?

The entire Hearts support it would seem.

It's actually a game that some Hibs supporters could be going to if it doesn't clash with one of our games. Financial support for the good guys in this dispute and the chance to let the auld witch know exactly what we think of her. She should not be allowed to feel comfortable at any away games this coming season.

[matty_f]

There’s a trend more and more these days for gaslighting and re-writing history.

Hearts and their fans are guilty of this at the moment.

If you were to believe them, the league was called early not because of the rank and practical implications of COVID, but to award Celtic 10 in a row and relegated them.

Reconstruction wasn’t vetoed because it was a bad idea that damaged everyone, it was rejected because of greedy clubs acting against Hearts.

It goes on and on. They’d settle down if they actually took a step back and looked at the facts of the matter.

[007]

There’s a trend more and more these days for gaslighting and re-writing history.

Hearts and their fans are guilty of this at the moment.

If you were to believe them, the league was called early not because of the rank and practical implications of COVID, but to award Celtic 10 in a row and relegated them.

Reconstruction wasn’t vetoed because it was a bad idea that damaged everyone, it was rejected because of greedy clubs acting against Hearts.

It goes on and on. They’d settle down if they actually took a step back and looked at the facts of the matter.

They've developed a herd immunity to facts and common sense.

[Wakeyhibee]

I've looked at a few currency exchange websites but can't find 'The Maroon Pound' on any of them.


Is it maybe some kind of Virtual Currency?

:dunno:

According to Google it's a US food bank token :greengrin

https://www.coursehero.com/file/pbgro4/Maroon-pounds-are-foods-that-an-individual-food-bank-already-has-perhaps-from/

[Brunswickbill]

According to Google it's a US food bank token :greengrin

https://www.coursehero.com/file/pbgro4/Maroon-pounds-are-foods-that-an-individual-food-bank-already-has-perhaps-from/

I thought that was the currency used to pay Robinson Crusoe for selling his story to Daniel Defoe.

[Col2]

Dundee United releases statement looking for wider club and fans support.

I think the three clubs will get it.

https://twitter.com/dundeeunitedfc/status/1280142114068856833?s=21

[04Sauzee]

Dundee Utd Statement

Copyright Dundee United Football Club
Website by mtc.

CLUB STATEMENT
Generic Dundee United graphic
Published: 6th July 2020

On the day that the SPFL have released the Premiership fixture list for 2020/21, which is scheduled to start on 1st August, instead of looking forward and planning for the forthcoming season, the executive team and Board at the Club are embroiled in preparation work for the SFA arbitration process that starts this week in respect of the action raised by Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle.

As confirmed in our joint statement on Friday, we, along with Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers, were pleased with Lord Clark’s decision to refer the dispute to arbitration, however we remain incensed that we are having to devote considerable time and incur significant legal costs in defending this action. Together we have already incurred costs of over £50,000, and face further legal fees for the arbitration process that could take the total bill to over £150,000.

Given the serious financial implications of these escalating legal costs for Raith Rovers, Cove Rangers and ourselves, the three clubs have considered withdrawing from the arbitration process and allowing the expert panel of arbiters to judge the case raised by Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle without any submissions from us in defence of our case. However, we believe (and our external legal advisors have confirmed same) that there is too much at stake to not defend our position against the Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle petition, which is seeking to reverse a decision that was made by 81% of the SPFL member clubs.

If successful in their action, in our opinion Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle would compromise the sporting integrity of the SPFL with clubs having been declared champions of their league not being promoted. Having won the Championship by a considerable margin, and invested substantial sums of money in preparing for next season in the Premiership, a decision to overturn the SPFL resolution that was supported by 34 of the 42 member clubs would be ruinous for us and our fans.

Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle could also be awarded significant sums in terms of compensation. Their compensation claim is for a total of £10 million. For the SPFL and its member clubs this would have potentially catastrophic consequences, with any compensation payment made to Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle being paid directly out of SPFL funds that are distributed to all clubs each season as prize money.

It is with these factors in mind, that, along with Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers, we are reaching out to our fellow member clubs for support in defending this action, which has not only potentially grave consequences for us, but every SPFL club. We also intend running a crowdfunding campaign to raise money to help fund the huge legal bills that we face. We hope that as well as our own supporters, fans of clubs across Scotland will see this as a worthy cause to get behind in that if Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle are successful in their action it could have serious ramifications for the whole of Scottish football.

[Since452]

AB and her Bonny benny factor will buy advantage and win the league easily. It stinks but that is what they will set out to do. I really feel, given the chaos caused by Hearts in their attempt to both corrupt and subvert Scottish Football, they should incur a transfer embargo and points deduction at the start of the championship season, if not before.

Hearts have had plenty practice winning the second tier championship over the last 50 years. Rumour has it that if they win the league this season they get to keep it.

[Kato]

Dundee United releases statement looking for wider club and fans support.

I think the three clubs will get it.

https://twitter.com/dundeeunitedfc/status/1280142114068856833?s=21Notice that some Jambos in the replies are doing that kickback thing where the just post some obscure gif or jpg.

Do they revel in appearing idiotic and inarticulate?

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[SteveHFC]

Dundee United releases statement looking for wider club and fans support.

I think the three clubs will get it.

https://twitter.com/dundeeunitedfc/status/1280142114068856833?s=21

I'll chip in.

[Hibs90]

Also in.

[Peevemor]

I'll chip in.

Me too, if Hearts/Thistle aren't obliged to pay costs.

[660]

Hibs should give the 50k from Anderson to them. Hearts really are a loathsome little outfit

[malcolm]

There’s a trend more and more these days for gaslighting and re-writing history.

Hearts and their fans are guilty of this at the moment.

If you were to believe them, the league was called early not because of the rank and practical implications of COVID, but to award Celtic 10 in a row and relegated them.

Reconstruction wasn’t vetoed because it was a bad idea that damaged everyone, it was rejected because of greedy clubs acting against Hearts.

It goes on and on. They’d settle down if they actually took a step back and looked at the facts of the matter.

A trendy turn of phrase but I think in many cases, such as here, the mendacity of those described is much more straightforwardly dubbed as ‘lying.’

[Pete]

If this £10 million compensation is coming out of every clubs pocket, then surely it is in every clubs interest to chip in and help Raith and United put up a robust defence.

Hearts and Thistle cant be the only clubs who have money for something like this.

[Peevemor]

If this £10 million compensation is coming out of every clubs pocket, then surely it is in every clubs interest to chip in and help Raith and United put up a robust defence.

Hearts and Thistle cant be the only clubs who have money for something like this.

Hopefully arbitration will find for the SPFL and the 3 clubs and will award costs.

[JohnMcM]

Come on Hibs, do it. Support the three clubs and this time break with tradition and make it public.

:flag:

[Ronniekirk]

If this £10 million compensation is coming out of every clubs pocket, then surely it is in every clubs interest to chip in and help Raith and United put up a robust defence.

Hearts and Thistle cant be the only clubs who have money for something like this.

No one is seriously expecting thst level of compensation will need to be paid out
Dundee United have a wealth consortium behind them and overspend by about three million I think I head Thier Chief Executive to ensure promotion A few thousand for legal fees is surely affordable to them
The other two clubs on the other hand probably do need support
Although I got a message from one United fan saying itvwas his understanding some Clubs were spreading helping foot the Legal Bill
So would want some transparency of this latter issue before donating to any crowdfunding appeal


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[Caversham Green]

Hearts must not be allowed to bully their way back into the top division. I'll be donating.

[Ozyhibby]

Come on Hibs, do it. Support the three clubs and this time break with tradition and make it public.

:flag:

Hibs should be keeping all the money they have to put on the pitch. The SPFL will mount a robust defence. And any fans with spare cash should give to HSL. We desperately need a competitive team on the pitch this season.


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[ballengeich]

I'm also prepared to contribute (particularly if Raith need help).

There's even a post today on KB saying that we could have restarted by now. Obviously not even aware of which country his club plays in. If the end of season had been postponed the premier may have been able to restart at the beginning of August. After it finished there would be a close season until the other divisions finish their seasons which would have resumed in October. That forum has reached levels of stupidity that even the Rangers fans' sites would be embarrassed by.

[04Sauzee]

I'm also prepared to contribute (particularly if Raith need help).

There's even a post today on KB saying that we could have restarted by now. Obviously not even aware of which country his club plays in. If the end of season had been postponed the premier may have been able to restart at the beginning of August. After it finished there would be a close season until the other divisions finish their seasons which would have resumed in October. That forum has reached levels of stupidity that even the Rangers fans' sites would be embarrassed by.

As far as I'm aware the Scottish government has still to give the go ahead for the season to start on the 1st August, pretty sure we aren't even allowed to play friendlies yet

[matty_f]

As far as I'm aware the Scottish government has still to give the go ahead for the season to start on the 1st August, pretty sure we aren't even allowed to play friendlies yet

That’s right.

It’s complete idiocy to think that the league could have been finished. You’d have to deny all the facts and evidence around to think that it could happen.

[Barney McGrew]

Notice that some Jambos in the replies are doing that kickback thing where the just post some obscure gif or jpg.

Do they revel in appearing idiotic and inarticulate?

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The replies to Dundee Utd’s statement on Twitter from them are horrific. They truly deserve everything that’s hopefully coming to them.

[AltheHibby]

That’s right.

It’s complete idiocy to think that the league could have been finished. You’d have to deny all the facts and evidence around to think that it could happen.

Denying facts and evidence is what they do over there.

[Del Boy]

I’ll absolutely donate to this and hope as many as possible will. Stand up to bullies.

[Radium]

Cove statement


CLUB STATEMENT

06/07/2020

On the day that the SPFL have released the Premiership fixture list for 2020/21, which is scheduled to start on 1st August, instead of looking forward and planning for the forthcoming season, we find ourselves embroiled in preparation work for the SFA arbitration process that starts this week in respect of the action raised by Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle.

As confirmed in our joint statement on Friday, we, along with Dundee United and Raith Rovers, were pleased with Lord Clark’s decision to refer the dispute to arbitration, however we remain clearly upset that we are having to devote considerable time and incur significant legal costs in defending this action. Together, we have already incurred costs of over £50,000, and face further legal fees for the arbitration process that could take the total bill to over £150,000.

Given the serious financial implications of these escalating legal costs for Dundee United, Raith Rovers and ourselves, the clubs are still considering withdrawing from the arbitration process. However, this would allow the expert panel of arbiters to judge the case raised by Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle without any submissions from us in defending our position against the Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle petition, which seeks to reverse a decision that was made by 81% of the SPFL member clubs.

If successful in their action, in our opinion Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle would compromise the sporting integrity of the SPFL with clubs having been declared champions of their league not being promoted. Having won League Two by a considerable margin and having already prepared for the required investment to participate in League One, a decision to overturn the SPFL resolution that was supported by 34 of the 42 member clubs would be seriously prejudicial for us and our fans.

Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle could also be awarded significant sums in terms of compensation. Their compensation claim is for a total of £10 million. For the SPFL and its member clubs this would have potentially catastrophic consequences, with any compensation payment made to Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle being paid directly out of SPFL funds that are distributed to all clubs each season as prize money.

It is with these factors in mind, that, along with Dundee United and Raith Rovers, we are asking our fellow member clubs for support in defending this action, which has not only potentially grave consequences for us, but every SPFL club. We also intend running a crowdfunding campaign to raise money to help fund the huge legal bills that we have and will incur. We hope that as well as our own supporters, fans of clubs across Scotland will see this as a worthy cause to get behind, in that if Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle are successful in their action it could have serious ramifications for the whole of Scottish football.


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[Leithenhibby]

Hibs should be keeping all the money they have to put on the pitch. The SPFL will mount a robust defence. And any fans with spare cash should give to HSL. We desperately need a competitive team on the pitch this season.


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100% :agree:

Our club will most likely be down 50% of revenue or thereabouts. Donating to HS makes perfect sense to me...

https://hiberniansupporters.co.uk/

[Stuart93]

Cove statement


CLUB STATEMENT

06/07/2020

On the day that the SPFL have released the Premiership fixture list for 2020/21, which is scheduled to start on 1st August, instead of looking forward and planning for the forthcoming season, we find ourselves embroiled in preparation work for the SFA arbitration process that starts this week in respect of the action raised by Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle.

As confirmed in our joint statement on Friday, we, along with Dundee United and Raith Rovers, were pleased with Lord Clark’s decision to refer the dispute to arbitration, however we remain clearly upset that we are having to devote considerable time and incur significant legal costs in defending this action. Together, we have already incurred costs of over £50,000, and face further legal fees for the arbitration process that could take the total bill to over £150,000.

Given the serious financial implications of these escalating legal costs for Dundee United, Raith Rovers and ourselves, the clubs are still considering withdrawing from the arbitration process. However, this would allow the expert panel of arbiters to judge the case raised by Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle without any submissions from us in defending our position against the Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle petition, which seeks to reverse a decision that was made by 81% of the SPFL member clubs.

If successful in their action, in our opinion Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle would compromise the sporting integrity of the SPFL with clubs having been declared champions of their league not being promoted. Having won League Two by a considerable margin and having already prepared for the required investment to participate in League One, a decision to overturn the SPFL resolution that was supported by 34 of the 42 member clubs would be seriously prejudicial for us and our fans.

Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle could also be awarded significant sums in terms of compensation. Their compensation claim is for a total of £10 million. For the SPFL and its member clubs this would have potentially catastrophic consequences, with any compensation payment made to Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle being paid directly out of SPFL funds that are distributed to all clubs each season as prize money.

It is with these factors in mind, that, along with Dundee United and Raith Rovers, we are asking our fellow member clubs for support in defending this action, which has not only potentially grave consequences for us, but every SPFL club. We also intend running a crowdfunding campaign to raise money to help fund the huge legal bills that we have and will incur. We hope that as well as our own supporters, fans of clubs across Scotland will see this as a worthy cause to get behind, in that if Heart of Midlothian and Partick Thistle are successful in their action it could have serious ramifications for the whole of Scottish football.


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It’s a ****ing disgrace that hearts & partick have brought it to this.

No doubt their horrible fans be revelling in this. These clubs have done nothing wrong apart from being top of their league when the season was ended.

[Del Boy]

Think hibs have a great opportunity to confirm that we stand for the right thing by coming out and publicly supporting the 3 promoted teams and I would like to see some form of financial support too if at all possible. Raith Rovers, in particular, could be put out of business by this madness.

[jeffers]

At the risk of repeating myself the SFA/SPFL need to take severe action against Hearts (and Partick) due to their actions having a financial impact on Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove. Nevermind what could actually happen should they receive compensation from the arbitration process.

However, while my view is they shouldn't be impacted by Hearts actions, it was only last month that Utd bid £250,000 for Nesbit and received a six figure sum compensation for losing Neilson. So while I sympathise with them I certainly won't be contributing to their crowdfunding.

[Waxy]

The SPFL/SFA must now impose the toughest sanctions against Hearts and Partick.

[04Sauzee]

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/notice-of-referral-to-arbitration/?rid=13929

[Hibs90]

https://i.gyazo.com/85341ac7e6a0a42846ffed46923e8548.png

And there he is, the puppet himself.

[Keith_M]

I'm confused as to why the three clubs have to raise a case in defense of a decision by the SPFL, based on a democratic vote.

Surely the SPFL have all the relevant information and are the only ones that need to oppose Hearts and Thistle's action?


:confused:

[Andy74]

https://i.gyazo.com/85341ac7e6a0a42846ffed46923e8548.png

And there he is, the puppet master himself.

I suspect having won the league they expected to be promoted.

[Lee Marvin]

https://i.gyazo.com/85341ac7e6a0a42846ffed46923e8548.png

And there he is, the puppet master himself.

This man has thrown any goodwill and respect he had down the toilet over this issue. I hope Ann was good at least, Tom...

[brog]

I suspect having won the league they expected to be promoted.

Exactly right. Were Dundee Utd supposed to say, it's ok, we'll forego promotion because it's unfair to demote the worst team in the top flight!

[bringbackbenny]

https://i.gyazo.com/85341ac7e6a0a42846ffed46923e8548.png

And there he is, the puppet himself.

He and his wee boss Budge are, without doubt, a nasty vindictive pair of eejits.

[Aim Here]

I'm confused as to why the three clubs have to raise a case in defense of a decision by the SPFL, based on a democratic vote.

Surely the SPFL have all the relevant information and are the only ones that need to oppose Hearts and Thistle's action?


:confused:

The three clubs are not the same as the SPFL and have different interests. It is conceivable that the SPFL could say to Hearts 'Ach, you're right; let's settle and halt relegation' and then the three clubs would be shafted. It's also possible for the clubs to have different legal strategies; we've already seen that with the Court of Session motions, where the SPFL was trying to suspend the case in order to arbitrate, while the three clubs went for a dismissal (and they lost that motion).

It's also useful to have two sets of defence arguments. For instance, if there was just one set of defence advocates at the Court of Session, it's possible that the SPFL would have chosen wrongly and went for a dismissal motion instead of the successful sist motion. Having both arguments heard increased the chance that one of them prevailed.

[Since452]

The SPFL/SFA must now impose the toughest sanctions against Hearts and Partick.

This