Jambos Legal Challenge

[FilipinoHibs]

Did you miss the Summer Cup? :greengrin

And another promotion.

[matty_f]

Compensation for what though?

To compensate them would suggest something incorrect was applied as per the rules.

Seems to most that the rules were followed....if arbitration find no wrong doing on the part of the SPFL then they are not going to award compensation just cause the outcome was ‘unfair’.

If they do then every other club could go straight to arbitration and claim the same.

By far the most likely outcome, as has been the case from the start, is that they will get nowt.

Then they will follow that nowt up by getting some sort of censure from the SFA....and Budge will then be able to sit back and contemplate another total disaster under her watch.
:agree:

[Sammy7nil]

Compensation for what though?

To compensate them would suggest something incorrect was applied as per the rules.

Seems to most that the rules were followed....if arbitration find no wrong doing on the part of the SPFL then they are not going to award compensation just cause the outcome was ‘unfair’.

If they do then every other club could go straight to arbitration and claim the same.

By far the most likely outcome, as has been the case from the start, is that they will get nowt.

Then they will follow that nowt up by getting some sort of censure from the SFA....and Budge will then be able to sit back and contemplate another total disaster under her watch.

If no rules or laws were broken it is not unfair, unfortunate or unlucky maybe but definitely not unfair. In nearly every competition there are winners and losers Hearts lost based solely on sporting merit.

[Eyrie]

Hearts could have played the sympathy card and appealed for a reasonable amount of compensation for the loss of opportunity to save themselves in exchange for accepting the need to end the season early and being the bottom club that was automatically relegated. They may even have got something.

But instead they've thrown repeated temper tantrums, dithered over a restructuring that was their own idea, broken the rules by taking the SPFL to court and not to the SFA, demanded compensation on a scale that is disproportionate to their losses whilst wrecking other clubs and attempted to deny other clubs promotion.

So they've screwed their own chances.

And the arbitration panel will be aware that awarding Hearts any compensation will establish a precedent that every other club except for the four league winners can use to insist on being paid the prize money for the highest position they could have reached if the cancelled games had been played.

[JCHibby]

That’s all hearts have ever wanted, money. And it will be nowhere near what they want, c£250k in my view


QUOTE=matty_f;6237197]Saw a report earlier saying Hearts haven’t been given a date for the hearing yet.

I think it’s clear now that they won’t get their relegation reversed - from a purely practical point of view, this option is now impossible. Hearts have done no training, and the league is due to start in 2 weeks’ time. That is insufficient for Hearts to safely start the campaign.

There are not enough fixture dates available to postpone the start of the league, so it’s not possible to delay.

In which case, i suspect that their best possible outcome now is compensation. I doubt very much whether they are entitled to any, as that would imply liability on the SPFL, however they have acted within the rules so would have a strong defence.

I’m increasingly thinking that the case will come to nothing.[/QUOTE]

[hibbyfraelibby]

I wonder how much compensation the SPFL are demanding from Partick of Midlothian to settle this case and can the pair of them afford it?

[The Count]

For a lawyer Leslie Deans does not seem to understand legal matters away from selling houses.Every utterance from him just makes him look more and more lacking any legal knowledge.Doctors are not experts at every aspect of health care and its the same with lawyers.I suggest that old Leslie sticks to advice on selling flats and houses as he is making an arse of himself.

[Alan62]

For a lawyer Leslie Deans does not seem to understand legal matters away from selling houses.Every utterance from him just makes him look more and more lacking any legal knowledge.Doctors are not experts at every aspect of health care and its the same with lawyers.I suggest that old Leslie sticks to advice on selling flats and houses as he is making an arse of himself.

Deans was already a laughing stock in Edinburgh's legal circles. He hasn't enhanced his reputation in the last few months.

[EI255]

What part of the rule book does Leslie Deans not understand?



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[Bostonhibby]

What part of the rule book does Leslie Deans not understand?



Sent from my LG-H870 using TapatalkAll of the bits Hearts freely signed up to and never said a word about until St Mirren beat them in Hearts must win match?

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[Peevemor]

For a lawyer Leslie Deans does not seem to understand legal matters away from selling houses.Every utterance from him just makes him look more and more lacking any legal knowledge.Doctors are not experts at every aspect of health care and its the same with lawyers.I suggest that old Leslie sticks to advice on selling flats and houses as he is making an arse of himself.

Even when talking about something that isn't their chosen field, Doctors will generally be correct in the little that they might say but they won't make declarations on stuff that's totally outwith their expertise. Deans just seems to crack on regardless.

[linlithgowhibbie]

What part of the rule book does Leslie Deans not understand?



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The same bits Budgie doesn't bother reading?

[The Count]

One of the annoying things about life that clowns like Deans are successful in life financially.Never could really understand how idiots like him in all walks of life can talk and act like fools yet they are successful in business.Met many of them over my life and it baffles me.

[hibbyfraelibby]

What part of the rule book does Leslie Deans not understand?



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All of it...

[Since452]

One of the annoying things about life that clowns like Deans are successful in life financially.Never could really understand how idiots like him in all walks of life can talk and act like fools yet they are successful in business.Met many of them over my life and it baffles me.

Often wondered that myself. All the way up to the most powerful man in the world Trump. Utter buffoon.

[JimBHibees]

If no rules or laws were broken it is not unfair, unfortunate or unlucky maybe but definitely not unfair. In nearly every competition there are winners and losers Hearts lost based solely on sporting merit.

It is genuinely difficult to see it any other way. The process in some areas can be questioned however the decision making has all been done on what the rules say unless there really is a smoking gun. :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

One of the annoying things about life that clowns like Deans are successful in life financially.Never could really understand how idiots like him in all walks of life can talk and act like fools yet they are successful in business.Met many of them over my life and it baffles me.

Obviously in the right network of people plus probably got lucky.

[malcolm]

It is genuinely difficult to see it any other way. The process in some areas can be questioned however the decision making has all been done on what the rules say unless there really is a smoking gun. :greengrin

More chance of mrs peacock being clubbed with a candlestick in the boardroom:greengrin

[JimBHibees]

More chance of mrs peacock being clubbed with a candlestick in the boardroom:greengrin

There are certainly a few candidates for Professor Plum. :greengrin

[Barney McGrew]

What part of the rule book does Leslie Deans not understand?

Any bit where Hearts are inconvenienced by having put so a ***** team on the park that it got them relegated?

[GonzoReturns]

What part of the rule book does Leslie Deans not understand?



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The parts where there are no pictures....

[Keith_M]

Would Ian Murray (MP), be calling for an investigation into Scottish Football if St Mirren had been relegated and not Hearts?


:hmmm:

[MrSmith]

Would Ian Murray (MP), be calling for an investigation into Scottish Football if St Mirren had been relegated and not Hearts?


:hmmm:

not a chance! He is a complete tool! When I lived in the Inch, I cornered him a few times because of the utter keek he spoke on many occasions. He had goodwill from the older folk of South Edinburgh, that’s about it.

[Radium]

There are certainly a few candidates for Professor Plum. :greengrin

... or Colonel Mustard Pants


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[FilipinoHibs]

One of the annoying things about life that clowns like Deans are successful in life financially.Never could really understand how idiots like him in all walks of life can talk and act like fools yet they are successful in business.Met many of them over my life and it baffles me.

A blind monkey could have made money out of the Edinburgh property market over the last 40 years.

[bingo70]

Current rumour doing the rounds that a compensation deal of £5m has been agreed without it going to arbitration. Will be announced on Monday apparently.

Don’t shoot the messenger though, think it’s just what’s being discussed on kickback.

[FilipinoHibs]

Often wondered that myself. All the way up to the most powerful man in the world Trump. Utter buffoon.

Trump had a billionaire father and has been bankrupt several times as well as being involved in lots dodgy dealings.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trumps-business-failures-were-very-real

[-Jonesy-]

Current rumour doing the rounds that a compensation deal of £5m has been agreed without it going to arbitration. Will be announced on Monday apparently.

Don’t shoot the messenger though, think it’s just what’s being discussed on kickback.

Like all the other hot takes they’ve got right over there in the last 4 months😂

[hibbyfraelibby]

Current rumour doing the rounds that a compensation deal of £5m has been agreed without it going to arbitration. Will be announced on Monday apparently.

Don’t shoot the messenger though, think it’s just what’s being discussed on kickback.

Let me guess dazjambo? saughton jumbo? The Laundryman

[Ozyhibby]

Current rumour doing the rounds that a compensation deal of £5m has been agreed without it going to arbitration. Will be announced on Monday apparently.

Don’t shoot the messenger though, think it’s just what’s being discussed on kickback.

There is no way the spfl would be able to sanction a settlement that high. It would bankrupt many clubs for a start and would see Doncaster sacked. It’s just not possible.


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[bingo70]

Like all the other hot takes they’ve got right over there in the last 4 months😂

Yeah, that crossed my mind too 😂

[Keith_M]

Current rumour doing the rounds that a compensation deal of £5m has been agreed without it going to arbitration. Will be announced on Monday apparently.

Don’t shoot the messenger though, think it’s just what’s being discussed on kickback.


There's also a rumour that the SFA are going to fine them £5M on the charge of 'bringing the game into disrepute'.

Rod Petrie's already booked his world cruise.

[007]

One of the annoying things about life that clowns like Deans are successful in life financially.Never could really understand how idiots like him in all walks of life can talk and act like fools yet they are successful in business.Met many of them over my life and it baffles me.

As well as blagging their way up the ladder they also kiss the right asses. Blagging on its own will only get them so far but they'll get a lot further when it is combined with ass kissing.

[660]

Current rumour doing the rounds that a compensation deal of £5m has been agreed without it going to arbitration. Will be announced on Monday apparently.

Don’t shoot the messenger though, think it’s just what’s being discussed on kickback.

Hahahahah 5m

[Wakeyhibee]

Current rumour doing the rounds that a compensation deal of £5m has been agreed without it going to arbitration. Will be announced on Monday apparently.

Don’t shoot the messenger though, think it’s just what’s being discussed on kickback.

Why would SPFL ask for it to be sisted to arbitration only to offer a rediculous amount in a deal to avoid it. Not having a go at you just nothing rings remotely true about this.

[matty_f]

Why would SPFL ask for it to be sisted to arbitration only to offer a rediculous amount in a deal to avoid it. Not having a go at you just nothing rings remotely true about this.

There is no way that £5m compensation is being paid out. That’s ridiculous.

The SPFL will be rightly confident of seeing this through and walking away from it unscathed.

[Alan62]

While it's very possible that a settlement will be agreed in order to minimise the risk of an adverse judgement and to save a little bit of time, it's highly unlikely that a figure anywhere near £5m will be agreed.

[Brightside]

Current rumour doing the rounds that a compensation deal of £5m has been agreed without it going to arbitration. Will be announced on Monday apparently.

Don’t shoot the messenger though, think it’s just what’s being discussed on kickback.

Could you imagine. :greengrin The clubs would have to pay that. There is zero chance of it ever happening.

[Monts]

£5k maybe

[Wakeyhibee]

There is no way that £5m compensation is being paid out. That’s ridiculous.

The SPFL will be rightly confident of seeing this through and walking away from it unscathed.

Exactly, as someone said earlier, Hearts have to prove wrongdoing that is prejudicial. Unlucky, unfortunate doesn't cut it.

[Dr What If?]

One of the annoying things about life that clowns like Deans are successful in life financially.Never could really understand how idiots like him in all walks of life can talk and act like fools yet they are successful in business.Met many of them over my life and it baffles me.

Have you ever heard of the 'Peter Principle', more a business one but goes some way to explaining you experience. Basically you do well in your job you get promoted, do well in that you get promoted again. This keeps happening until you get to a level that is beyond your competence level and that is where you stay. The result is you have all these senior, successful people in positions that they are ill equipped for.

[Alan62]

Just had a wee peek at Kickback. Fascinating. Someone has already broken down how much each club will have to pay towards the £5m that they're about to receive. Others area asserting that reinstatement to their rightful place is the only option they will accept. One chap can't for the life of him understand why the top two leagues don't run with 13 teams in them next year. It's a curious insight into the hivemind of our oddly entitled neighbours on the other side of town and I recommend it in small doses.

[Heisenberg]

Arbitration starts on Monday according to STV.

[tamig]

Just had a wee peek at Kickback. Fascinating. Someone has already broken down how much each club will have to pay towards the £5m that they're about to receive. Others area asserting that reinstatement to their rightful place is the only option they will accept. One chap can't for the life of him understand why the top two leagues don't run with 13 teams in them next year. It's a curious insight into the hivemind of our oddly entitled neighbours on the other side of town and I recommend it in small doses.
They just don’t do thinking.

[Numptie]

Arbitration starts on Monday according to STV.

They think it will last 2 days - when they are relegated again on Wednesday how many times will that be?

[mutley]

Arbitration starts on Monday according to STV.

But but but , someone on JKB says that they are getting £5M on Monday and no arbitration, and the SFA fine is getting dropped and everything !!


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[Bostonhibby]

But but but , someone on JKB says that they are getting £5M on Monday and no arbitration, and the SFA fine is getting dropped and everything !!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProIs everyone getting cakes as well? and are Hearts going to be presented with some sort of award for all their efforts in bringing this to an end?

Maybe £50 worth of Dobbies vouchers or something else commensurate with their standing in the Championship?

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[Mon Dieu4]

Has even one of their "in the know" posters got anything right throughout this whole process? Even the laws of average have went out the window :faf::faf::faf:

[007]

Just had a wee peek at Kickback. Fascinating. Someone has already broken down how much each club will have to pay towards the £5m that they're about to receive. Others area asserting that reinstatement to their rightful place is the only option they will accept. One chap can't for the life of him understand why the top two leagues don't run with 13 teams in them next year. It's a curious insight into the hivemind of our oddly entitled neighbours on the other side of town and I recommend it in small doses.

Any sign of a breakdown of how they get the ridiculous £8m claim amount? Very much doubt it. Haven't seen anyone break it down anywhere and haven't heard a single pundit question it.

[Greenworld]

They think it will last 2 days - when they are relegated again on Wednesday how many times will that be?Good news they have spent time this week reading the docs so well briefed and ready to go. 2 days sounds about right , wonder what they will do next accept of stamp there feet some more

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[007]

Good news they have spent time this week reading the docs so well briefed and ready to go. 2 days sounds about right , wonder what they will do next accept of stamp there feet some more

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Next they will have to start preparing their defence against the SFA disciplinary case. 🤭

[PatHead]

Just had a wee peek at Kickback. Fascinating. Someone has already broken down how much each club will have to pay towards the £5m that they're about to receive. Others area asserting that reinstatement to their rightful place is the only option they will accept. One chap can't for the life of him understand why the top two leagues don't run with 13 teams in them next year. It's a curious insight into the hivemind of our oddly entitled neighbours on the other side of town and I recommend it in small doses.
How much are we due?

[Alan62]

£270,000, if I recall correctly. They worked out the average for a top flight club at £300,000. Some became indignant that they would also have to pay - despite their great tradition for owing things to themselves. It really is a spectacle to behold.


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[Gloucester Hibs]

Every step of the way in Hearts relegation extravaganza there seems to have been "rumoured" positive news for them (usually "leaked" on Kickback :hmmm:) quickly followed by the reality which is generally the complete opposite! This time it's that the SPFL have capitulated and agreed to £5M compo, wonder what the reality will be... :greengrin

[Since452]

Arbitration starts on Monday according to STV.

Thank goodness the end is in sight. One last huge dose of medicine for them would be nice

[Seveno]

Every step of the way in Hearts relegation extravaganza there seems to have been "rumoured" positive news for them (usually "leaked" on Kickback :hmmm:) quickly followed by the reality which is generally the complete opposite! This time it's that the SPFL have capitulated and agreed to £5M compo, wonder what the reality will be... :greengrin

If has to be one of us winding them up. If they were fish, you wouldn’t need a hook never mind bait.

[DC_Hibs]

They’re just a laughing stock - Budgey in particular

https://www.cameo.com/v/QDCZDRVgG

[Joe6-2]

They’re just a laughing stock - Budgey in particular

https://www.cameo.com/v/QDCZDRVgG

😂😂😂😂
That’s brilliant

[mutley]

They’re just a laughing stock - Budgey in particular

https://www.cameo.com/v/QDCZDRVgG

Absolutely superb [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]


Anyone posting that on kickback [emoji12]

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[MrSmith]

They think it will last 2 days - when they are relegated again on Wednesday how many times will that be?


they haven’t been promoted to be relegated again. They are in the championship through being relegated as the worst and I mean the worst team in the premiership.

[SteveHFC]

They’re just a laughing stock - Budgey in particular

https://www.cameo.com/v/QDCZDRVgG

:faf:

[tamig]

They’re just a laughing stock - Budgey in particular

https://www.cameo.com/v/QDCZDRVgG

Superb 😂

[Sammy7nil]

:faf:

Ha ha

[Hillsidehibby]

They’re just a laughing stock - Budgey in particular

https://www.cameo.com/v/QDCZDRVgG

No ****ing way!!....

[One Day Soon]

Any sign of a breakdown of how they get the ridiculous £8m claim amount? Very much doubt it. Haven't seen anyone break it down anywhere and haven't heard a single pundit question it.

I dont know how they arrive at £8m but I'm sure that when they get the £12m it will be put to immediate advantage. After all £14m will clear a lot of debt and the full £17m will see a transformed Hearts.

[Bostonhibby]

I dont know how they arrive at £8m but I'm sure that when they get the £12m it will be put to immediate advantage. After all £14m will clear a lot of debt and the full £17m will see a transformed Hearts.£19m might get them another single tier stand.

Just thought I'd mention it.

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[FilipinoHibs]

Good news they have spent time this week reading the docs so well briefed and ready to go. 2 days sounds about right , wonder what they will do next accept of stamp there feet some more

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Next stop court for arbitration for sport (CAS) in Switzerland. Then the European Court of Human Rights and finally the United Nations.

[tamig]

Next stop court for arbitration for sport (CAS) in Switzerland. Then the European Court of Human Rights and finally the United Nations.

Is there some kind of Space court beyond all that? Would be good to see them drift into orbit.

[Hillsidehibby]

They’re just a laughing stock - Budgey in particular

https://www.cameo.com/v/QDCZDRVgG

I managed to get that on Wayback. Three replies, Vermin, What?? Vermin. Then off into the ether...... Gave me a wee laugh I have to say

[Bostonhibby]

Is there some kind of Space court beyond all that? Would be good to see them drift into orbit.I think they're planning to go to Starfleet Command after that. Deans will be a more than adequate replacement for Mr Spock in pleading the M8 Dalliances case.

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[One Day Soon]

I think they're planning to go to Starfleet Command after that. Deans will be a more than adequate replacement for Mr Spock in pleading the M8 Dalliances case.

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With the £25M they'll get from this they'll have enough for a down payment on a starship.

[Tug Wilson]

I think they're planning to go to Starfleet Command after that. Deans will be a more than adequate replacement for Mr Spock in pleading the M8 Dalliances case.

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Or take it to the Time Lords on Gallifrey

[stoneyburn hibs]

Hearts will get what they're due from the SPFL, Relegation. They'll be fortunate to escape severe punishment from the SFA

[Jack]

Look guys we've already had a fall out about this thread being politicised. DO NOT bring Star Trek into this. Star Trek is a true story firmly based in reality unlike that fantasy crap coming from the Klingon types over the road.

[Bostonhibby]

Or take it to the Time Lords on GallifreyProbably a better option as their legal experts probably got a dalek costume that he relaxes in when he's composing his missives for Kickback.

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[calumhibee1]

So they’ve went from £8m, to £10m, back to £8m, to bragging about getting £5m, to the reality (which we all knew) that it’s all bull**** and arbitration starts Monday. I’m not sure why any of them even make an attempt at guessing what’s going on now.

[Springbank]

Look guys we've already had a fall out about this thread being politicised. DO NOT bring Star Trek into this. Star Trek is a true story firmly based in reality unlike that fantasy crap coming from the Klingon types over the road.

Well let's hope Foulkes & Murray put some basic rules down.
For a start, change that engineer's name from Scottie to something less offensive like Great Britty

[MrSmith]

Well let's hope Foulkes & Murray put some basic rules down.
For a start, change that engineer's name from Scottie to something less offensive like Great Britty


bit of Trekkie facts, did you know that Scotty was in fact an Irish engineer?

[Bostonhibby]

bit of Trekkie facts, did you know that Scotty was in fact an Irish engineer?Was Star Trek a Kafflik conspiracy, or was it "staunch"?

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[AltheHibby]

bit of Trekkie facts, did you know that Scotty was in fact an Irish engineer?

Really? I ask because there's a blue plaque outside his birthplace in Linlithgow in 2222.

[Wee Effen Bee]

bit of Trekkie facts, did you know that Scotty was in fact an Irish engineer?

Don’t think that’s right. The actor was Canadian and he supposedly chose the Scottish accent as a tribute to Scots engineers.

[One Day Soon]

Well let's hope Foulkes & Murray put some basic rules down.
For a start, change that engineer's name from Scottie to something less offensive like Great Britty

My sides

[Caversham Green]

Don’t think that’s right. The actor was Canadian and he supposedly chose the Scottish accent as a tribute to Scots engineers.

That's a bit like Dick Van Dyke's tribute to cockney chimney sweeps.

[Aalborg Hibs]

James Doohan played Montgomery 'Scotty' Scott on Star Trek. His family was from Northern Ireland. He chose a Scottish accent and character for the engineer as he believed all the great engineering firsts that Scots came up with should be honoured on the show.
Linlithgow only put the plaque up after Doohan died and couldn't really dispute it.
Doohan claimed he got the accent from a soldier from Aberdeen he knew when he was serving in WW2, and even says he's "an old Aberdeen pub-crawler" in one episode.

[One Day Soon]

James Doohan played Montgomery 'Scotty' Scott on Star Trek. His family was from Northern Ireland. He chose a Scottish accent and character for the engineer as he believed all the great engineering firsts that Scots came up with should be honoured on the show.
Linlithgow only put the plaque up after Doohan died and couldn't really dispute it.
Doohan claimed he got the accent from a soldier from Aberdeen he knew when he was serving in WW2, and even says he's "an old Aberdeen pub-crawler" in one episode.

Bloody Irish, stealing our Scottishyness.

[FilipinoHibs]

Look guys we've already had a fall out about this thread being politicised. DO NOT bring Star Trek into this. Star Trek is a true story firmly based in reality unlike that fantasy crap coming from the Klingon types over the road.

In my days of working for a US bank my nickname was Scotty. The markets won't take it, captain.

Now the intergalactic courts won't take it Doc.

[MrSmith]

Watched an interview with Doohan many moons ago where he explained his heritage but also said Scotty was meant to be Irish but his accent was too Scottish.

[AltheHibby]

D C Fontana, the writer of Start Trek wrote that Scottie was from Linlithgow.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/why-scottys-trek-starts-linlithgow-2507630%3famp

[MrSmith]

Amazing what you learn on a daily basis. Shows how massive the Trekkie universe is :)

[Peevemor]

D C Fontana, the writer of Start Trek wrote that Scottie was from Linlithgow.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/why-scottys-trek-starts-linlithgow-2507630%3fampIt comes from the premise that all the great ocean going liners had a Scot in the engine room.

[hibeerealist]

Omyahearts has it covered there is NO risk to hertz IF they lose at Arbitration, he will be wishing somebody told the SFA before punishment is dished out - another ITK failure from keekback!


"I'm a wee bit ITK about the SFA notice. I've been told, if found guilty of a breach, the fine will be nominal."

[Kojock]

Amazing what you learn on a daily basis. Shows how massive the Trekkie universe is :)

Where’s Sheldon Cooper when you need him. 😂

[04Sauzee]

This guy reckons 5 days and Hearts to call witnesses

https://twitter.com/Official_T4O/status/1284431992256442372?s=19

[Keith_M]

Scottie was (will be) from Aberdeen but D. C. Fontana wrongly stated that he was (will be) from Linlithgow.

The actor that played him was Canadian but his ancestry was Northern Irish. He did indeed have a friend from Aberdeen but played Scotty with a fairly generic Scottish accent.


Signed: Sheldon Cooper.

[G B Young]

Well let's hope Foulkes & Murray put some basic rules down.
For a start, change that engineer's name from Scottie to something less offensive like Great Britty

IIRC the character was called Scottie because his surname was Scott.

[CapitalGreen]

This guy reckons 5 days and Hearts to call witnesses

https://twitter.com/Official_T4O/status/1284431992256442372?s=19

Same guy who reckoned Kamberi was in Glasgow about to sign for Rangers last week.

[HFC93]

This guy reckons 5 days and Hearts to call witnesses

https://twitter.com/Official_T4O/status/1284431992256442372?s=19

Whoever runs that account is an absolute spraff. Consistently calls it wrong. Best ignored.

[matty_f]

Whoever runs that account is an absolute spraff. Consistently calls it wrong. Best ignored.

:agree:

[Greenworld]

I managed to get that on Wayback. Three replies, Vermin, What?? Vermin. Then off into the ether...... Gave me a wee laugh I have to say
This guy reckons 5 days and Hearts to call witnesses

https://twitter.com/Official_T4O/status/1284431992256442372?s=19Im fairly sure It is not for hearts to call witnesses thats up to the panel of three.
The same 3 have done the prep already during last week.
This will last 2 or 3 days max most of the required info is already in front of them .
Unless of course the gunn is smoking

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[147lothian]

Scottie was (will be) from Aberdeen but D. C. Fontana wrongly stated that he was (will be) from Linlithgow.

The actor that played him was Canadian but his ancestry was Northern Irish. He did indeed have a friend from Aberdeen but played Scotty with a fairly generic Scottish accent.


Signed: Sheldon Cooper.

It certainly sounded like a Scottish accent when he said "a canna change the laws of physics".

[Joe6-2]

That's a bit like Dick Van Dyke's tribute to cockney chimney sweeps.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[greenginger]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53457878


BBC saying it got started yesterday.

[Greenworld]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53457878


BBC saying it got started yesterday.It did and last week , I'm going to guess a decissions for Friday latest next week

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[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Whoever runs that account is an absolute spraff. Consistently calls it wrong. Best ignored.

And he reckons Hertz are not worried about the SFA complaint. They were "incredulous" only a couple of days ago...!

[Bostonhibby]

And he reckons Hertz are not worried about the SFA complaint. They were "incredulous" only a couple of days ago...!Aye but it's not as if being incredulous is anything to be worried about, especially if you don't know what it means, Mrs doctor Budge will just replace it with a more important sounding Hearts type word in the next statement.

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[greenginger]

And he reckons Hertz are not worried about the SFA complaint. They were "incredulous" only a couple of days ago...!


They were incredulous that they had to respond by Monday whilst they and other things to attend to .
Seems multi tasking was not an option.

Did they ever get an extension of time to submit their response ?

[Bostonhibby]

They were incredulous that they had to respond by Monday whilst they and other things to attend to .
Seems multi tasking was not an option.

Did they ever get an extension of time to submit their response ?I've never really got this criticism of their failure to multi task, after all they did manage to get relegated and fail to finish the single tier stand all at the same time.

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[MrSmith]

I’m putting my tuppence on ‘supercilious’ ;)

[Dashing Bob S]

And he reckons Hertz are not worried about the SFA complaint. They were "incredulous" only a couple of days ago...!

We have to allow them their little mood swings.

I intend to bring Hearts a nice cup of tea in bed, and then treat them and their friend Partick Thistle to a spa weekend.

[Paisley Hibby]

I’m putting my tuppence on ‘supercilious’ ;)

I think they've outsourced their statement writing to whoever does The Ranger's ones. So I'm expecting to read that the SFA's behaviour is not concomitant with the status and standing of the Famous (and very big) Heart of Midlothian FC.

[Sammy7nil]

All gone very quiet since arbitration I asked this before but did not get answer, when the case is over and the result is known will the details of the findings and the reason for the decision be made public?

[Col2]

All gone very quiet since arbitration I asked this before but did not get answer, when the case is over and the result is known will the details of the findings and the reason for the decision be made public?

There must be a written outcome, how long that takes to come out if anyone’s guess. However I would the key headline decision must be recorded and confirmed very quickly to avoid parties interpreting it incorrectly.

I reckon this will be done and dusted by the end of the week. IF Hearts and Patrick are offered compensation then the panel (practically) will need say an extra day to make that specific monetary jusdgement and base it on genuine set of figures.

[Sammy7nil]

There must be a written outcome, how long that takes to come out if anyone’s guess. However I would the key headline decision must be recorded and confirmed very quickly to avoid parties interpreting it incorrectly.

I reckon this will be done and dusted by the end of the week. IF Hearts and Patrick are offered compensation then the panel (practically) will need say an extra day to make that specific monetary jusdgement and base it on genuine set of figures.

I suppose they could say compensation to be awarded and agreed in the coming weeks. That would enable the league to start and make a realistic calculation of the sum.

[Onion]

I suppose they could say compensation to be awarded and agreed in the coming weeks. That would enable the league to start and make a realistic calculation of the sum.

So odds were Hearts were for the drop but now they may gain financially from the Covid end to the season ? In what way is that fair to the other Prem clubs ?

[Andy74]

So odds were Hearts we’re for the drop but now they may gain financially from the Covid end to the season ? In what way is that fair to the other Prem clubs ?

Exactly. About once every 10 yrs a team escapes from the position they were in.

[bingo70]

Exactly. About once every 10 yrs a team escapes from the position they were in.

Is that something the judges are likely to take into account or is it all fact based stuff they will look at?

[Eyrie]

Is that something the judges are likely to take into account or is it all fact based stuff they will look at?

I don't know the official answer but it would be basic common sense to first establish any genuine loss due to relegation (as opposed to covid 19) and then to discount that genuine loss to reflect Hearts' own responsibility for being bottom of the table. After all, it was the bottom club that was relegated and not specifically Hearts.

As Andy74 says, only once in the last ten years has the club that was bottom after 30 games stayed up, and even then St Mirren were only one point behind, not four. On that basis I'd apply a 90% discount.

[04Sauzee]

kingantti1874 kingantti1874

Posted 1 hour ago
Hearing we may have some questions to answer for something entirely unrelated to the case , I won’t say any more as could be pish and don’t want to start gossip.. especially on here as journalists all over it. Anyone heard anything ? Will only discuss by PM if you already have an idea so don’t ask as I won’t be spreading gossip.



ps - it’s not a massive problem so don’t worry

[Andy74]

Is that something the judges are likely to take into account or is it all fact based stuff they will look at?

No but in the very unlikely event that compensation becomes a factor then it would become quite relevant. They were obviously fairly far down the road of getting relegated by their own making.

[Caversham Green]

Wouldn't it be funny if The SPFL used the 'Karma' thread from Kickedoot to illustrate that supporters fully expected the bottom team in the league to be relegated?

[Future17]

Is that something the judges are likely to take into account or is it all fact based stuff they will look at?

A court would take it into account when assessing loss (if that became necessary). Not sure about arbitration.

[grunt]

Wouldn't it be funny if The SPFL used the 'Karma' thread from Kickedoot to illustrate that supporters fully expected the bottom team in the league to be relegated?That would be a good example of karma.

[Greenworld]

There must be a written outcome, how long that takes to come out if anyone’s guess. However I would the key headline decision must be recorded and confirmed very quickly to avoid parties interpreting it incorrectly.

I reckon this will be done and dusted by the end of the week. IF Hearts and Patrick are offered compensation then the panel (practically) will need say an extra day to make that specific monetary jusdgement and base it on genuine set of figures.Im not sure that the findings will come out Col2. I think ongoing confidentiality is possible in Scotland through the Arbitration process .
Sure i read it sometime that it was written in to the scots version ...i could be wrong lol

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[JohnMcM]

I don't know how to place the information here but if you want to confirm what is said about confidentiality.

Google - Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010. Download the PDFs version. Go to page 22 rule 26 will fill you in.
:greengrin

[Greenworld]

I don't know how to place the information here but if you want to confirm what is said about confidentiality.

Google - Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010. Download the PDFs version. Go to page 22 rule 26 will fill you in.
:greengrinhttps://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2010/1/schedule/1

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[greenginger]

None of that will affect Budge and her statements team.

She won’t have read the rule.

[RyeSloan]

I don't know how to place the information here but if you want to confirm what is said about confidentiality.

Google - Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010. Download the PDFs version. Go to page 22 rule 26 will fill you in.
:greengrin

Is that not just covering the disclosure of confidential information used during the process?

It seems to me that the ‘award’ is the key section here and that is delivered to the relevant parties. As the SPFL will need to disclose that (or at least the salient points) to all clubs then it’s highly unlikely that the key outcomes and judgements won’t become public knowledge.

[Sammy7nil]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2010/1/schedule/1

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I don't know how to place the information here but if you want to confirm what is said about confidentiality.

Google - Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010. Download the PDFs version. Go to page 22 rule 26 will fill you in.
:greengrin

Rule 47 is of interest Award :aok:

[hibbyfraelibby]

Reading the 2010 Arbitration Act I believe one of the decisions open to the panel where there is no other practical way to resolve a dispute is that one party is ordered to buy out the sharehold value of the other party to enforce a clean break.

How I would laugh if the panel ordered the SPFL to buy out the Hurtz shareholding in the company. The £0.025p it would cost each club could be financially ruinous😁

[JohnMcM]

Is that not just covering the disclosure of confidential information used during the process?

It seems to me that the ‘award’ is the key section here and that is delivered to the relevant parties. As the SPFL will need to disclose that (or at least the salient points) to all clubs then it’s highly unlikely that the key outcomes and judgements won’t become public knowledge.


It reads to me that it also covers disclosure of the findings of the panel, awards etc UNLESS some very strict criterion are met.

[Sammy7nil]

Over on way back they are still discussing what they will do with the £8 million :rolleyes: "it had been calculated by independent auditors and is the least they should expect"

I assume the "auditors" took account of Covid and this was not just a figure pulled out the air by The Budgie and Leslie during a late night sherry fuelled zoom call :greengrin

[JohnMcM]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2010/1/schedule/1

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Thanks Greenworld.:thumbsup:

[Since452]

Over on way back they are still discussing what they will do with the £8 million :rolleyes: "it had been calculated by independent auditors and is the least they should expect"

I assume the "auditors" took account of Covid and this was not just a figure pulled out the air by The Budgie and Leslie during a late night sherry fuelled zoom call :greengrin

They can't be trusted with money. Never been able to invest it wisely. In the completely hypothetical and pure fantasy scenario they were awarded 8 million they'd only go and blow most of it on a new 8 year contract for chocolate knees Naismith and spend the rest on Tam Cowans scran after hosting his next hospitality gig

[Keith_M]

Let's be clear on this: Only Hearts think this is an either/or situation, where the panel will choose between 1) Premiership Reinstatement and 2) £8M Compensation.


There are countless other possible outcomes.. including: The vote to end the season was legitimate, ergo the relegation is not overturned and no compensation is required.


IMHO, the most likely alternative to that would be that the SPFL are told to re-run the vote. I can't see a second vote going in Hearts favour.

[Aldo]

Let's be clear on this: Only Hearts think this is an either/or situation, where the panel will choose between 1) Premiership Reinstatement and 2) £8M Compensation.


There are countless other possible outcomes.. including: The vote to end the season was legitimate, ergo the relegation is not overturned and no compensation is required.


IMHO, the most likely alternative to that would be that the SPFL are told to re-run the vote. I can't see a second vote going in Hearts favour.

Your first paragraph sums them up tbh. Their way or no way regardless of the rules!


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[Kato]

Over on way back they are still discussing what they will do with the £8 million :rolleyes: "it had been calculated by independent auditors and is the least they should expect"

I assume the "auditors" took account of Covid and this was not just a figure pulled out the air by The Budgie and Leslie during a late night sherry fuelled zoom call :greengrin

Top Waffle Merchants.

[Andy74]

Let's be clear on this: Only Hearts think this is an either/or situation, where the panel will choose between 1) Premiership Reinstatement and 2) £8M Compensation.


There are countless other possible outcomes.. including: The vote to end the season was legitimate, ergo the relegation is not overturned and no compensation is required.


IMHO, the most likely alternative to that would be that the SPFL are told to re-run the vote. I can't see a second vote going in Hearts favour.

Hearts didn’t ask for the rerun of the vote option though.

[nonshinyfinish]

Hearts didn’t ask for the rerun of the vote option though.

Are the arbiters limited to what the various parties have asked for, or can they come up with their own solution?

[Ozyhibby]

Are the arbiters limited to what the various parties have asked for, or can they come up with their own solution?

They are not there to look for a solution I think. They are to rule on whether the rules were broken or not. If they were then they would decide on a remedy.


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[nonshinyfinish]

They are not there to look for a solution I think. They are to rule on whether the rules were broken or not. If they were then they would decide on a remedy.


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[Keith_M]

They are not there to look for a solution I think. They are to rule on whether the rules were broken or not. If they were then they would decide on a remedy.

...


Which could be a re-run of the vote?

[Scorrie]

Which could be a re-run of the vote?

Imagine a rerun of the vote less than 2 weeks from the start of the season. Potential for total chaos there...!

[CallumLaidlaw]

Imagine a rerun of the vote less than 2 weeks from the start of the season. Potential for total chaos there...!

I’m guessing more than 81% would now vote for the season to be ended as it did


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[Onion]

Imagine a rerun of the vote less than 2 weeks from the start of the season. Potential for total chaos there...!

Exactly, and why there is not a chance of the Panel proposing such a thing. Yams and Huns would be delighted and would wallow in the chaos they'd have created. And in theory all the clubs would have to hand back all the prize money that was distributed.

[Col2]

I think a few posters have said this before.

The most likely scenario is the calling of the league, the Dundee vote etc will be deemed to have been lawful. Given it’s a members association with rules then the panel will need to follow these rather than any other mythical made up set of rules that suit the jambos. It wouldn’t surprise me if the panel conclude that the SPFL governance needs tightening up but I can’t believe that after Sevco went looking for the smoking gun and failed miserably and after Deloitte (top 5 world wide credibility) conducted an internal review, there will be any fundamental evidence that the likes of wee Leslie Deans would get excited about.

This idea that a compromise of compensation again would need to be on the basis that a ruling went against SPFL and again I can’t see a penny going out to Hearts and Patrick if the conclusion is deemed to be lawful and within the SPFL rules.

I suspect this time next week our gorgie chums will have reached bitterness level 10 and a fat wee legal bill to fund for themselves and the SPFL and the other 3 clubs. Even Leslie Deans won’t have a magical financial (cough) solution to this.

[Jim44]

Leslie Deans - Would you buy a used house from this guy?

[matty_f]

I think a few posters have said this before.

The most likely scenario is the calling of the league, the Dundee vote etc will be deemed to have been lawful. Given it’s a members association with rules then the panel will need to follow these rather than any other mythical made up set of rules that suit the jambos. It wouldn’t surprise me if the panel conclude that the SPFL governance needs tightening up but I can’t believe that after Sevco went looking for the smoking gun and failed miserably and after Deloitte (top 5 world wide credibility) conducted an internal review, there will be any fundamental evidence that the likes of wee Leslie Deans would get excited about.

This idea that a compromise of compensation again would need to be on the basis that a ruling went against SPFL and again I can’t see a penny going out to Hearts and Patrick if the conclusion is deemed to be lawful and within the SPFL rules.

I suspect this time next week our gorgie chums will have reached bitterness level 10 and a fat wee legal bill to fund for themselves and the SPFL and the other 3 clubs. Even Leslie Deans won’t have a magical financial (cough) solution to this.

I’ve been saying much the same for a while now.

The relegation can’t practically be reversed at this stage - no reasonable panel would consider this as a solution given the impact it would have.

If the SPFL are deemed to have broken rules and acted with unjust unfairness towards Hearts and Partick, then i suppose the panel might be off a mind to award compensation on the basis that they might have reversed the relegation had there been time to do so, however i believe this outcome is very unlikely on the basis that the SPFL have had legal counsel from the very outset, and so will be confident that their actions will stand up to scrutiny.

IMHO, the most likely outcome remains “case dismissed” or whatever the equivalent term is at arbitration.

[MrSmith]

I’ve been saying much the same for a while now.

The relegation can’t practically be reversed at this stage - no reasonable panel would consider this as a solution given the impact it would have.

If the SPFL are deemed to have broken rules and acted with unjust unfairness towards Hearts and Partick, then i suppose the panel might be off a mind to award compensation on the basis that they might have reversed the relegation had there been time to do so, however i believe this outcome is very unlikely on the basis that the SPFL have had legal counsel from the very outset, and so will be confident that their actions will stand up to scrutiny.

IMHO, the most likely outcome remains “case dismissed” or whatever the equivalent term is at arbitration.

No case to answer to.

to many variables to come to a decision that would award Hearts & Partick compensation. Every club in a Scotland would then go on to demand some form of compensation that would see Scottish football chasing its tail for the foreseeable.

[Sammy7nil]

I’ve been saying much the same for a while now.

The relegation can’t practically be reversed at this stage - no reasonable panel would consider this as a solution given the impact it would have.

If the SPFL are deemed to have broken rules and acted with unjust unfairness towards Hearts and Partick, then i suppose the panel might be off a mind to award compensation on the basis that they might have reversed the relegation had there been time to do so, however i believe this outcome is very unlikely on the basis that the SPFL have had legal counsel from the very outset, and so will be confident that their actions will stand up to scrutiny.

IMHO, the most likely outcome remains “case dismissed” or whatever the equivalent term is at arbitration.

TBF if the panel find in the Hearts favour they will not give a stuff about the likely chaos that is not their problem. They have to make a decision based on facts not on the likely chaos. The may make decisions based on the balance of probability but reasonableness will not be an issue. I hope the Hearts case will be thrown out but if it is not it is not the panels problem the ****fest has to be cleared up by the SPFL.

[matty_f]

TBF if the panel find in the Hearts favour they will not give a stuff about the likely chaos that is not their problem. They have to make a decision based on facts not on the likely chaos. The may make decisions based on the balance of probability but reasonableness will not be an issue. I hope the Hearts case will be thrown out but if it is not it is the panels problem the ****fest has to be cleared up by the SPFL.

I think the panel will give very careful consideration to the chaos it would cause.

[Sammy7nil]

I think the panel will give very careful consideration to the chaos it would cause.

I agree. Then make their decision based on facts. If the case was being decided on likely chaos it would have been thrown out already with no need for a hearing.

[speedy_gonzales]

Leslie Deans - Would you buy a used house from this guy?

I did, back in '96.
In my defence, I didn't know any better, it was my first foray in to buying a house.
Within 5 minutes of entering his office at St Patrick's Street he was talking about football. I'm guessing he would have been in pretty deep with Robinson at that point. Being a young lad with bigger things on his mind I didn't engage in his bigliness of Hearts.
Perhaps a missed opportunity,,,,

[majorhibs]

TBF if the panel find in the Hearts favour they will not give a stuff about the likely chaos that is not their problem. They have to make a decision based on facts not on the likely chaos. The may make decisions based on the balance of probability but reasonableness will not be an issue. I hope the Hearts case will be thrown out but if it is not it is not the panels problem the ****fest has to be cleared up by the SPFL.

Very much leaning on the wrong side of this it appears.

[flash]

TBF if the panel find in the Hearts favour they will not give a stuff about the likely chaos that is not their problem. They have to make a decision based on facts not on the likely chaos. The may make decisions based on the balance of probability but reasonableness will not be an issue. I hope the Hearts case will be thrown out but if it is not it is not the panels problem the ****fest has to be cleared up by the SPFL.
Totally agree. Still not convinced this is as clear cut as 99% on here think.

[Springbank]

The vote may have been messy (no disagreeing) but was the process illegal in any way?
That seems to be the nub & hard to imagine Deloitte being wrong when they signed off that it was legal in their view

[Sammy7nil]

Very much leaning on the wrong side of this it appears.

I don't know what you mean? I hope and I think the case will be thrown out however if it is not the whole shambles will have to be picked up and sorted by the SPFL. The panel cannot base their decision on potential chaos.

[AltheHibby]

More provocation* from the SPFL.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/18594184.celtic-chief-executive-peter-lawwell-elected-spfl-board-2020-21-season/#comments-anchor

"CELTIC chief executive Peter Lawwell was today voted onto the SPFL board at the governing body's AGM.

Lawwell will be one of three Premiership representatives on the board in the forthcoming season.

Steve Brown of St Johnstone and Les Gray of Hamilton are the others.

Brown and Lawwell take over from Alan Burrows of Motherwell and Stewart Robertson of Rangers.

Elsewhere, Ewan Cameron of Alloa Athletic and Ross McArthur of Dunfermline will represent the Championship clubs while Ken Ferguson of Brechin City will represent League 1 and League 2. "

*or if you're a hun or hun lite, 'provo-cation'.

[Since452]

More provocation* from the SPFL.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/18594184.celtic-chief-executive-peter-lawwell-elected-spfl-board-2020-21-season/#comments-anchor

"CELTIC chief executive Peter Lawwell was today voted onto the SPFL board at the governing body's AGM.

Lawwell will be one of three Premiership representatives on the board in the forthcoming season.

Steve Brown of St Johnstone and Les Gray of Hamilton are the others.

Brown and Lawwell take over from Alan Burrows of Motherwell and Stewart Robertson of Rangers.

Elsewhere, Ewan Cameron of Alloa Athletic and Ross McArthur of Dunfermline will represent the Championship clubs while Ken Ferguson of Brechin City will represent League 1 and League 2. "

*or if you're a hun or hun lite, 'provo-cation'.

Kick in the teeth for Budge being overlooked to represent the Championship

[Kato]

Kick in the teeth for Budge being overlooked to represent the ChampionshipLuckily they were in a glass beside her bed at the time.

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[AltheHibby]

Luckily they were in a glass beside her bed at the time.

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:top marks :not worth

[mjhibby]

I’ve been saying much the same for a while now.

The relegation can’t practically be reversed at this stage - no reasonable panel would consider this as a solution given the impact it would have.

If the SPFL are deemed to have broken rules and acted with unjust unfairness towards Hearts and Partick, then i suppose the panel might be off a mind to award compensation on the basis that they might have reversed the relegation had there been time to do so, however i believe this outcome is very unlikely on the basis that the SPFL have had legal counsel from the very outset, and so will be confident that their actions will stand up to scrutiny.

IMHO, the most likely outcome remains “case dismissed” or whatever the equivalent term is at arbitration.

That’s the way I see it. Reinstatement was never going to happen after the court sent it back to the football body. As the clubs had already voted to end the season as was I fail to see any other outcome bar nothing to see here. Any compensation will be minimal as the arbitration panel will be fully aware that any huge payout won’t happen due to the burden that would be put on the smaller clubs. My guess would be a token amount of compensation to appease the three relegated clubs and if hertz aren’t happy then feel free to go to court and risk the ultimate penalty. The spl will start on time without hertz. I’m sure they will whinge like a spoiled child but everybody is so used it now and the media aren’t interested anymore due to their ridiculous behaviour.

[Since452]

Soon as it was referred to arbitration Hearts lost. That's the whole reason they went straight to court in the first place. You're not telling me a professional football club with lawyers didn't know they had to go to the SFA first when the majority of normal fans did. I'm assuming they were told by their legal team to chance it and see what happens in the hope the SPFL and SFA had their heads in the sand. Any compensation they get from arbitration will probably not even cover their legal bills. Seems to me they tried to get round arbitration and it's backfired. Being reinstated to the Premiership at this late stage just isn't going to happen. They aren't even training yet.

[inglisavhibs]

Soon as it was referred to arbitration Hearts lost. That's the whole reason they went straight to court in the first place. You're not telling me a professional football club with lawyers didn't know they had to go to the SFA first when the majority of normal fans did. I'm assuming they were told by their legal team to chance it and see what happens in the hope the SPFL and SFA had their heads in the sand. Any compensation they get from arbitration will probably not even cover their legal bills. Seems to me they tried to get round arbitration and it's backfired. Being reinstated to the Premiership at this late stage just isn't going to happen. They aren't even training yet.
I suppose you have to ask, if their relegation is legal why would they get compensation, other than their parachute payment?

[oldbutdim]

I suppose you have to ask, if their relegation is legal why would they get compensation, other than their parachute payment?

They may get an enhanced payment "without prejudice" in the light of the 'unprecedented time'...... but it won't be £8,000,000.

[ancient hibee]

I suppose you have to ask, if their relegation is legal why would they get compensation, other than their parachute payment?

Is there a parachute payment or is this a myth?

[Since452]

Is there a parachute payment or is this a myth?

Must be a very small amount of there is

[nonshinyfinish]

Must be a very small amount of there is

IIRC the amounts mentioned previously were something like £350k for the team that finishes bottom and £500k for the team that finishes 11th (only paid out if they go down).

The payments definitely exist – they are mentioned here: https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-prize-pot-reaches-25m – but I can't find a definitive source for the figures themselves.

[matty_f]

IIRC the amounts previously were something like £350k for the team that finishes bottom and £500k for the team that finishes 11th (only paid out if they go down).

The payments definitely exist – they are mentioned here: https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-prize-pot-reaches-25m – but I can't find a definitive source for the figures themselves.

I think the payments are a cut of the gate money from the play offs, so aren’t fixed.

[nonshinyfinish]

I think the payments are a cut of the gate money from the play offs, so aren’t fixed.

In that case I suggest that Hearts receive 100% of the gate receipts from this season's playoffs. Fair's fair.

[matty_f]

In that case I suggest that Hearts receive 100% of the gate receipts from this season's playoffs. Fair's fair.

No arguments here.

[Mcpakeisgod]

When does this start ?

[JimBHibees]

When does this start ?

Started last Friday apparently

[FilipinoHibs]

Started last Friday apparently

Preliminary hearing on Friday. Started in full on Monday. I may be wrong but generally the panel reads the submissions from each side and then calls their representatives to answer questions - that sounds it started Monday. Then they take a view and try and reach agreement between both sides. If they can't get agreement then they impose a decision on both parties -this seems a likely outcome - a small compensation payment.

[Numptie]

Preliminary hearing on Friday. Started in full on Monday. I may be wrong but generally the panel reads the submissions from each side and then calls their representatives to answer questions - that sounds it started Monday. Then they take a view and try and reach agreement between both sides. If they can't get agreement then they impose a decision on both parties -this seems a likely outcome - a small compensation payment.

This arbitration isn't about reaching an agreement. The panel will give a finding after hearing the evidence. We don't know what the arbitration panel is being asked to consider but it is likely to be that the initial vote is illegal - if they say it was legal then that's final, if they say it was flawed they could find in the M8s favour or say the vote should be re-taken or some other resolution. Compensation only flows from an illegal vote, where the sides remain relegated.

[Andy74]

This arbitration isn't about reaching an agreement. The panel will give a finding after hearing the evidence. We don't know what the arbitration panel is being asked to consider but it is likely to be that the initial vote is illegal - if they say it was legal then that's final, if they say it was flawed they could find in the M8s favour or say the vote should be re-taken or some other resolution. Compensation only flows from an illegal vote, where the sides remain relegated.

I don’t know why we keep veering into various options here.

Hearts and Partick have only asked for the parts relating to promotion or relegation to be cancelled or to be compensated.

They haven’t asked for votes to be retaken or anything else like that.

The panel will either agree with one of their requests or agree with neither.

[Greenworld]

I don’t know why we keep veering into various options here.

Hearts and Partick have only asked for the parts relating to promotion or relegation to be cancelled or to be compensated.

They haven’t asked for votes to be retaken or anything else like that.

The panel will either agree with one of their requests or agree with neither.They have however asked for all documentation concerning the the Dundee shaninigans and documentation on Dundee United and co their claims of having spent significant amounts of money to prepare for promotions.
Hearts and Partick are searching i suspect for a legal wrong doing to drag it back to court.
If everything has been done correctly then the outcome should be as we on the green side see it.
If not scottish football implodes and god knows what happens .


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[InchHibby]

In my book, the SPFL has done everything by the book and all decisions made by the clubs were made in an honest and democratic way. All our neighbours want is for those clubs that didn’t see it their way, be punished and how severely punished doesn’t matter one iota to them.
I think we all know what the outcome is going to be here and that is, no case to answer to, the decisions made were not only as the rules state but made in a democratic way also.
What we don’t know is how they are to be punished for bringing our game into disrepute, I only hope they throw the book at them, they simply cannot get away with a slap on the wrist. Their selfishness may see some of our clubs go to the wall and do you think they care, not in the least is the answer to that one.

[Radium]

Kick in the teeth for Budge being overlooked to represent the Championship

There was an attempt to get someone from ICT onto the board but championship clubs seem to have kicked that out


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[Radium]

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[Marco G]

There was an attempt to get someone from ICT onto the board but championship clubs seem to have kicked that out


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[Peevemor]

Inverness chairman only got 2 votes. Not as if he has upset anyone, is it?

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Hearts & Inverness probably.

[Andy74]

They have however asked for all documentation concerning the the Dundee shaninigans and documentation on Dundee United and co their claims of having spent significant amounts of money to prepare for promotions.
Hearts and Partick are searching i suspect for a legal wrong doing to drag it back to court.
If everything has been done correctly then the outcome should be as we on the green side see it.
If not scottish football implodes and god knows what happens .


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No, it doesn’t work like that. This will only be going back to court if there has been a specific error in law in the Arbitration hearing.

[Sammy7nil]

No, it doesn’t work like that. This will only be going back to court if there has been a specific error in law in the Arbitration hearing.

So if there is evidence of collusion between SPFL and Dundee to change the vote there is no consequence? As it is not an error of arbitration law?

[Marco G]

Hearts & Inverness probably.Yep, another throw of the dice to get some influence in the SPFL board has failed!

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[matty_f]

So if there is evidence of collusion between SPFL and Dundee to change the vote there is no consequence? As it is not an error of arbitration law?

The SPFL are allowed to influence for votes to go a certain way, in fact for to the critical nature of the resolution being voted on, you’d argue that it was their duty to lobby clubs to pass the resolution.

[bingo70]

The SPFL are allowed to influence for votes to go a certain way, in fact for to the critical nature of the resolution being voted on, you’d argue that it was their duty to lobby clubs to pass the resolution.

Presumably the SPFL can’t offer incentives to encourage them to change their mind though?

Maybe that’s the smoking gun Hearts are hoping/expecting to find?

[matty_f]

Presumably the SPFL can’t offer incentives to encourage them to change their mind though?

Maybe that’s the smoking gun Hearts are hoping/expecting to find?

No, bribes would be out of the question.

[Tug Wilson]

No, it doesn’t work like that. This will only be going back to court if there has been a specific error in law in the Arbitration hearing.

My reading too. The only way this goes back to the CofS is if the Arbitration process is legally flawed.

All the Jambos screaming for an interdict don't realise that this is not an option. If they try to recall the sist and lodge an interdict then it will be bounced as arbitration is ongoing.

If the Arbitration Panel decide in favour of the SPFL then the Jambos cannot go back to court. Again the Jambos who think that Lord Clark is on their side are delusional. LC knows kicking it to arbitration killed the court case.

For Hearts everything hangs on persuading the Arbitration Panel they have a bona fide case.

I have no idea what powers the panel have to enforce a compromise agreement between the parties or if it is a straight yes or no. However, if it is the latter then calling an Arbitration Panel seems a bit of a misnomer. I presume that the panel can present a compromise suggestion to the parties to try and obtain closure but both sides seem so far apart that they have a tough task.

[007]

No, bribes would be out of the question.

Not even in a roundabout way like paying £50k towards Covid-19 testing or community projects? 🤔

[matty_f]

Not even in a roundabout way like paying £50k towards Covid-19 testing or community projects? 🤔

😂

[green day]

Presumably the SPFL can’t offer incentives to encourage them to change their mind though?

Maybe that’s the smoking gun Hearts are hoping/expecting to find?

This is the same unicorn we were promised existed in the Rangers dossier - which turned out to be a crock of poop.

[Keith_M]

No, bribes would be out of the question.


Didn't Celtc offer Dundee a money spinning friendly match, with loads of Celtc minded businessmen splashing out on expensive pre-match meals?


I'm sure I read that somewhere...

[Since452]

Didn't Celtc offer Dundee a money spinning friendly match, with loads of Celtc minded businessmen splashing out on expensive pre-match meals?


I'm sure I read that somewhere...

It was in Rangers dossier

[Keith_M]

It was in Rangers dossier



:greengrin

[Caversham Green]

Didn't Celtc offer Dundee a money spinning friendly match, with loads of Celtc minded businessmen splashing out on expensive pre-match meals?


I'm sure I read that somewhere...

I realise that's tongue in cheek, but it wouldn't be relevant anyway. Any arrangements for a friendly between the two clubs is outside the SPFL's jurisdiction and neither club is a party to these proceedings. On the other hand I hope any incentives offered by Hearts or Partick to Dundee and ICT for their no votes will be considered.

[Andy74]

My reading too. The only way this goes back to the CofS is if the Arbitration process is legally flawed.

All the Jambos screaming for an interdict don't realise that this is not an option. If they try to recall the sist and lodge an interdict then it will be bounced as arbitration is ongoing.

If the Arbitration Panel decide in favour of the SPFL then the Jambos cannot go back to court. Again the Jambos who think that Lord Clark is on their side are delusional. LC knows kicking it to arbitration killed the court case.

For Hearts everything hangs on persuading the Arbitration Panel they have a bona fide case.

I have no idea what powers the panel have to enforce a compromise agreement between the parties or if it is a straight yes or no. However, if it is the latter then calling an Arbitration Panel seems a bit of a misnomer. I presume that the panel can present a compromise suggestion to the parties to try and obtain closure but both sides seem so far apart that they have a tough task.

It isn’t a misnomer. It is arbitration and not mediation.

An arbiter is someone who has authority to settle a dispute.

[Peevemor]

It isn’t a misnomer. It is arbitration and not mediation.

An arbiter is someone who has authority to settle a dispute.

Someone that bites you in the ars?

[AltheHibby]

Someone that bites you in the ars?

Yes. As both the "M8 alliance " clubs will find out soon.

[Springbank]

For everyone who loved Channel 4's coverage of Italian football in the 90s, there was always a section on the "Arbitro" (the referee)

So I guess Arbitration is like appointing the Ref.

First yellow - booked for being ugly
Second yellow - timewasting (on an industrial scale)

Marching orders for Budge & Thistle

SFA fine from the beaks to follow....

[Bostonhibby]

It was in Rangers dossier

You wouldn't expect all these celtc high rollers to be shelling out huge sums of money on hospitality if a Sevco dosser was going to be there, ruins the ambiance of the whole affair.

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[tamig]

Not even in a roundabout way like paying £50k towards Covid-19 testing or community projects? 🤔

Aye but remember that could only happy if they were in the Premiership. Straight from the Budgie’s beak.

[McSwanky]

First yellow - booked for being ugly

:top marks:applause:

[Lendo]

Having a peak over-by. Genuinely astounding the number of them that believe that if they lose the arbitration hearing the Court of Session will swing open it’s doors and Lord Clark will make it all right for them. The delusion is incredible.

[Ozyhibby]

I wonder if we will get a result tomorrow? It’s not that complicated a case and it’s been sitting three days now.


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[hibbysam]

I wonder if we will get a result tomorrow? It’s not that complicated a case and it’s been sitting three days now.


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That muppet ‘The 4th official’ on twitter said last week it will run until Monday, then tweeted today that he thinks it’s basically done.

[green day]

That muppet ‘The 4th official’ on twitter said last week it will run until Monday, then tweeted today that he thinks it’s basically done.

He is a Hearts fan and utterly clueless.

Has got a blue tick on his twitter bio tho so the radges on JKB probably think that means something:rolleyes:

[Kojock]

That muppet ‘The 4th official’ on twitter said last week it will run until Monday, then tweeted today that he thinks it’s basically done.

‘The 4th Official’ talks more 💩 than Leslie Deans and that takes some doing.

[Spike Mandela]

I wonder if we will get a result tomorrow? It’s not that complicated a case and it’s been sitting three days now.


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Tom English will be the one to watch for , He gets fed his info straight from Budge so likely any leaks will come his way and spun through his succulent lamb cooker.

[hibbysam]

He is a Hearts fan and utterly clueless.

Has got a blue tick on his twitter bio tho so the radges on JKB probably think that means something:rolleyes:

I actually thought he was a Rangers fan until his recent posts. Thankfully already been blocked by Tom English and ‘we are Scottish football’ the last few days. Reckon this rocket will be next.

[Greenworld]

Not sure how the decision will come out , a statement from SFA ?

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[Green_one]

I doubt we will get a result tomorrow

I agree that we will probably see signs from the Hearts end (or their lackies) before any official announcement.

I also suspect they might breach some confidentiality agreement. We cannot expect them to go quietly and with any dignity

Kickback will be a madhouse:aok:

[04Sauzee]

Hearts statement
They have been awarded a certificate 😂


Tynecastle Park has been issued with a 'Good To Go' Covid-19 Industry Standard certificate.

The certificate confirms that the club has followed government and industry COVID-19 guidelines, ensuring processes are in place to maintain cleanliness and aid social/physical distancing.

Tynecastle re-opened its doors last week with guests enjoying the club's award-winning hospitality in the Skyline Restaurant and Gorgie Bar. With more openings to come, including the Hearts Clubstore and Ticket Office this coming Thursday, the club is pleased to have received this certification which was issued in partnership with The National Tourist Organisations of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

[FilipinoHibs]

I doubt we will get a result tomorrow

I agree that we will probably see signs from the Hearts end (or their lackies) before any official announcement.

I also suspect they might breach some confidentiality agreement. We cannot expect them to go quietly and with any dignity

Kickback will be a madhouse:aok:

The proceedings and results are completely confidential in an arbitration. All we will see is Hearts not playing in the top league. I am sure there will be no significant compensation so probably easy to hide in the accounts. Hearts will issue some statement that they are happy with the outcome. Fans will go into meltdown. Heard a range of 2 days to 2 weeks. But Hearts due in front of SFA a week on Thursday. I think it is unlike a court case and panel form opinions from documents submitted and then ask questions. Should be closer to 2 days.

[Ozyhibby]

Not sure how the decision will come out , a statement from SFA ?

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Almost certainly that is how it will come out.


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[04Sauzee]

Not sure what's happened but there seems to be a shift on kickback as to what the outcome may be.

[H18 SFR]

My mate seems to think that Hearts have booked out a hall for press conference in an Edinburgh top hotel tomorrow.

[Sammy7nil]

Not sure what's happened but there seems to be a shift on kickback as to what the outcome may be.

According to many the arbitration process is complete result tomorrow! IMHO that is shiit based on absolutely nothing :rolleyes:

[CockneyRebel]

Hearts statement
They have been awarded a certificate ��


Tynecastle Park has been issued with a 'Good To Go' Covid-19 Industry Standard certificate.

The certificate confirms that the club has followed government and industry COVID-19 guidelines, ensuring processes are in place to maintain cleanliness and aid social/physical distancing.

Tynecastle re-opened its doors last week with guests enjoying the club's award-winning hospitality in the Skyline Restaurant and Gorgie Bar. With more openings to come, including the Hearts Clubstore and Ticket Office this coming Thursday, the club is pleased to have received this certification which was issued in partnership with The National Tourist Organisations of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.


Probably by a similar "brown envelope" transaction that got them their safety certificates (allegedly) .

[Aldo]

My mate seems to think that Hearts have booked out a hall for press conference in an Edinburgh top hotel tomorrow.

Ooooo! Wonder why they’ve chosen this and not Tiny Park?

Could it be to celebrate??


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[Sammy7nil]

Hearts statement
They have been awarded a certificate 😂


Tynecastle Park has been issued with a 'Good To Go' Covid-19 Industry Standard certificate.

The certificate confirms that the club has followed government and industry COVID-19 guidelines, ensuring processes are in place to maintain cleanliness and aid social/physical distancing.

Tynecastle re-opened its doors last week with guests enjoying the club's award-winning hospitality in the Skyline Restaurant and Gorgie Bar. With more openings to come, including the Hearts Clubstore and Ticket Office this coming Thursday, the club is pleased to have received this certification which was issued in partnership with The National Tourist Organisations of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

I am so jealous they must be the only business in the UK to get this magical certificate. They are certainly on the up :rolleyes:

[hibbyfraelibby]

My mate seems to think that Hearts have booked out a hall for press conference in an Edinburgh top hotel tomorrow.

You mean they are not using the world leading castle view enhanced mega stand facilities?

[04Sauzee]

My mate seems to think that Hearts have booked out a hall for press conference in an Edinburgh top hotel tomorrow.

Spending the 8m already?

[H18 SFR]

Ooooo! Wonder why they’ve chosen this and not Tiny Park?

Could it be to celebrate??


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That was the first thing I said to him. He reckons it’s because it’s Hearts and Partick blah blah etc.

[Sammy7nil]

My mate seems to think that Hearts have booked out a hall for press conference in an Edinburgh top hotel tomorrow.

I heard they have joined the English Premiership backed by Jeff Bezzo who is big mates with the Budgie after she gave him some business advice.

First game away to Liverpool with Messi and Ronaldo playing up front for the Famous :aok:

[Aldo]

That was the first thing I said to him. He reckons it’s because it’s Hearts and Partick blah blah etc.

Could be right!


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[calumhibee1]

Hearts statement
They have been awarded a certificate 😂


Tynecastle Park has been issued with a 'Good To Go' Covid-19 Industry Standard certificate.

The certificate confirms that the club has followed government and industry COVID-19 guidelines, ensuring processes are in place to maintain cleanliness and aid social/physical distancing.

Tynecastle re-opened its doors last week with guests enjoying the club's award-winning hospitality in the Skyline Restaurant and Gorgie Bar. With more openings to come, including the Hearts Clubstore and Ticket Office this coming Thursday, the club is pleased to have received this certification which was issued in partnership with The National Tourist Organisations of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

They felt the need to release a statement about that? Deary me.

[Aldo]

They felt the need to release a statement about that? Deary me.

Cmon Calum... surely they were going to shout this from the rooftops.... it’s an award...... wonder if they’ll ever announce the official capacity anytime soon??


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[Saturday Boy]

They felt the need to release a statement about that? Deary me.

Don’t knock it. That award is up there with my cycling proficiency test and all the badges I earned in the Cubs.

[The 90+2]

According to many the arbitration process is complete result tomorrow! IMHO that is shiit based on absolutely nothing :rolleyes:

Have the robbing ****s paid in advance?

[The 90+2]

They felt the need to release a statement about that? Deary me.

Decent advertising to the flumps though.

[007]

Hearts statement
They have been awarded a certificate 😂


Tynecastle Park has been issued with a 'Good To Go' Covid-19 Industry Standard certificate.

The certificate confirms that the club has followed government and industry COVID-19 guidelines, ensuring processes are in place to maintain cleanliness and aid social/physical distancing.

Tynecastle re-opened its doors last week with guests enjoying the club's award-winning hospitality in the Skyline Restaurant and Gorgie Bar. With more openings to come, including the Hearts Clubstore and Ticket Office this coming Thursday, the club is pleased to have received this certification which was issued in partnership with The National Tourist Organisations of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

I wouldn't call it a statement, it's a news story on their website so no more of a statement than us saying earlier on today that the ticket office is to reopen on Thursday.

[Skol]

The wee barber shop down the road has one of these as well !

[Green Badger]

Probably by a similar "brown envelope" transaction that got them their safety certificates (allegedly) .

I think it’s a self assessed certification, so they have basically filled out a form and printed out a certificate. :greengrin

[green day]

My mate seems to think that Hearts have booked out a hall for press conference in an Edinburgh top hotel tomorrow.

Why wouldnt they use their own skyline view restaurant which is open and plenty large enough for a socially distanced press conference?

[Bostonhibby]

I think it’s a self assessed certification, so they have basically filled out a form and printed out a certificate. :greengrinWhen you think of how much they've been getting wrong and for how long, this certificate is a big deal, there'll be a civic reception tomorrow followed by an open top bus parade and a unique opportunity for the faithful to buy one of 400,000 limited edition copies signed by Mrs Doctor Budge, Saughtonjambo and the conveyancer.

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[blackpoolhibs]

Why wouldnt they use their own skyline view restaurant which is open and plenty large enough for a socially distanced press conference?

Plenty of money to burn, around £8m. :greengrin

[The 90+2]

Why wouldnt they use their own skyline view restaurant which is open and plenty large enough for a socially distanced press conference?

It’s award winning somehow too.

[PatHead]

When you think of how much they've been getting wrong and for how long, this certificate is a big deal, there'll be a civic reception tomorrow followed by an open top bus parade and a unique opportunity for the faithful to buy one of 400,000 limited edition copies signed by Mrs Doctor Budge, Saughtonjambo and the conveyancer.

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The original will be in a frame on AB's desk. Next to it there is a naked picture of Craig Levein on a sheepskin rug.

[matty_f]

Would think there would be some chat on Dundee United’s forums if there were any rumours because they could be facing up to another season in the Championship potentially.

[Greenworld]

According to many the arbitration process is complete result tomorrow! IMHO that is shiit based on absolutely nothing :rolleyes:If they knew some of the press would know

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[green day]

It’s award winning somehow too.

Its comedic - they have a logo in that place which shows loads of Edinburgh landmarks............none of which I reckon they can actually see from the room :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[The 90+2]

Its comedic - they have a logo in that place which shows loads of Edinburgh landmarks............none of which I reckon they can actually see from the room :thumbsup::thumbsup:

😁 amazing.

what award did they win for it out of interest if anyone knows?

[O'Rourke3]

It’s award winning somehow too.Awarded with a safety certificate finally?

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[The 90+2]

Awarded with a safety certificate finally?

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Says so in their statement, they’re awfy proud.

[CentreLine]

I think it’s a self assessed certification, so they have basically filled out a form and printed out a certificate. :greengrin

Exactly right. Thousands of these being issued every day right now. It’s a thing to reassure potential customers you’ve taken steps to look after their safety from Covid-19. I’ve got one FFS and I am pretty sure just about everyone on here with any kind of public facing business will have too.

[Moulin Yarns]

Hearts statement
They have been awarded a certificate 😂


Tynecastle Park has been issued with a 'Good To Go' Covid-19 Industry Standard certificate.

The certificate confirms that the club has followed government and industry COVID-19 guidelines, ensuring processes are in place to maintain cleanliness and aid social/physical distancing.

Tynecastle re-opened its doors last week with guests enjoying the club's award-winning hospitality in the Skyline Restaurant and Gorgie Bar. With more openings to come, including the Hearts Clubstore and Ticket Office this coming Thursday, the club is pleased to have received this certification which was issued in partnership with The National Tourist Organisations of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The 'good to go' certification amounts to having hand sanitizer at the entry point and staff wearing masks. Every hospitality business is doing the same, just not shouting about it.

[Dashing Bob S]

The lack of Hibs having a covid certificate will end them us a club if we hadn't already done it with 5-1. Tick tok tick tok.

There - just going to write my Kickback posts on here from now on it.

[JimBHibees]

The original will be in a frame on AB's desk. Next to it there is a naked picture of Craig Levein on a sheepskin rug.

:faf:

That thought is enough to give anyone nightmares :greengrin

[Kato]

The lack of Hibs having a covid certificate will end them us a club if we hadn't already done it with 5-1. Tick tok tick tok.

There - just going to write my Kickback posts on here from now on it.Let's face it, we are all seething with tick-tockery.

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[Stuart93]

Aye the tables seemed to have turned a bit on JKB. They’re now saying that “even if we don’t win I’m still proud of hearts for taking it all the way”

How their tunes have changed. They were taking down the whole of Scottish football only a couple weeks ago were they not?