Jambos Legal Challenge

[ianwalker1875]

Given the £8million figure that was plucked out of nowhere I suggest that this would be a fair and reasonable fine to impose.

[Peevemor]

Would be really funny if Hearts say they won't pay for PT legal/fine costs.I'm not convinced that it is Hearts that are backing Thistle financially in this. I reckon it's their deceased lottery winner's family.

[Bostonhibby]

I'm not convinced that it is Hearts that are backing Thistle financially in this. I reckon it's their deceased lottery winner's family.Are they thick enough to have acted independently or has Lowe sold them down the river on her way to Tynecastle?

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[aljo7-0]

Had to laugh at the St Mirren fan on Reporting Scotland there in the piece about grounds opening. Fantastically gratuitous dig at Hearts and their trip away to Arbroath. Loved it

[Peevemor]

Are they thick enough to have acted independently or has Lowe sold them down the river on her way to Tynecastle?

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkWhoever put up the money, I'd love to see Lowe at Tynie.

Look at the great job she was doing with Thistle!

[Hibs07p]

And he calls his 'partner' Palm 🤔

GGTTH

and her six sisters. :greengrin


GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[The 90+2]

I'm not convinced that it is Hearts that are backing Thistle financially in this. I reckon it's their deceased lottery winner's family.

Wasn’t it a Partick Thistle supporting QC doing it for free?

[Billy Whizz]

I would be up for a points deduction penalty, as both clubs, especially HMFC, have access to sugar daddy cash. However, does the SFA have the power to impose points deductions? I would have thought that that would be an SPFL issue.

Yeah no points, from a small fine to expulsion

[660]

Had to laugh at the St Mirren fan on Reporting Scotland there in the piece about grounds opening. Fantastically gratuitous dig at Hearts and their trip away to Arbroath. Loved it

Hahaha yes absolute genius. Here’s a clip

https://twitter.com/SparkiesGrandad/status/1288898743597707268

[Bostonhibby]

Whoever put up the money, I'd love to see Lowe at Tynie.

Look at the great job she was doing with Thistle!It's got to be a possibility, why else have they stayed so close? Hardly in Patrick's long term interest.

Fingers crossed.

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[Billy Whizz]

It's got to be a possibility, why else have they stayed so close? Hardly in Patrick's long term interest.

Fingers crossed.

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A money spinning friendly between them

[Kato]

Absolutely, just think the punishments should be points based rather than financial. This would hit both clubs harder for the new season
Imagine starting on -10pts

Sounds fair.




For me it should be both Billy.

Even better.

[malcolm]

I’d expect a ruling on the issue to need to address that resorting to the law was bounced back by the courts. This sets a precedent to deter further action of this kind which came with a cost to the clubs concerned and allows a line to drawn to close it down.

On the other hand there is a need to be seen to be doing something given the damage done to other clubs by an action that was always doomed to failure.

So just a sombre telling off may not quite cut it. If I was setting the sanctions I’d consider both a non trivial financial penalty and if allowed by the rules impose a suspended licence sanction. That would be like a court giving a 2 year prison sentence suspended for a year - in reality while it sounds ferocious it is all bark and no bite.

[Peevemor]

I’d expect a ruling on the issue to need to address that resorting to the law was bounced back by the courts. This sets a precedent to deter further action of this kind which came with a cost to the clubs concerned and allows a line to drawn to close it down.

On the other hand there is a need to be seen to be doing something given the damage done to other clubs by an action that was always doomed to failure.

So just a sombre telling off may not quite cut it. If I was setting the sanctions I’d consider both a non trivial financial penalty and if allowed by the rules impose a suspended licence sanction. That would be like a court giving a 2 year prison sentence suspended for a year - in reality while it sounds ferocious it is all bark and no bite.As well as directly harming some clubs, they've also tarnished the image of our game with their accusations of wrongdoing - even after the tribunal result was announced.

I would hit them hard for that if nothing else.

[proud_and_green]

His lack of impartiality should have seen him fired weeks ago. He’s highly unprofessional as well as a below average journalist.

I do find it incredible, as a staff correspondent and chief sports writer at that, that he is allowed to give partisan editorial comment without any balance. Imagine if a current affairs BBC staffer was giving comment so blatantly in favour of a political party...their feet wouldn't touch. Surely there is no difference here. The BBC must be impartial in all matters and in this case, through their chief sports writer, they have been quite clearly partial.

Add to this, the comment offered by English has been inaccurate and quite possibly could be categorised as fake news. That does no good for the wider reputation of the BBC. Yes it's about sport but when one part of any organisation does something it is generally the case that people will form an opinion of the whole organisation from it. At the very least though his behaviour and his being allowed to give partisan opinion has tarnished the whole of BBC sport.

If i was the boss of BBC Scotland he would be tapping the boards in front of me.

[Joe6-2]

If only the SFA had this at the front of their thinking when the time for setting a penalty comes around.

We don't need them and it's really a question of how much dysfunctional and criminal behaviour is enough before instant and meaningful punishments are imposed.

Never been a better time than now if the appetite is there.



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Anyone any idea when the SFA will act? If they act!

[Billy Whizz]

Anyone any idea when the SFA will act? If they act!

The disciplinary meeting is next Thursday

[Joe6-2]

The disciplinary meeting is next Thursday

Great, thanks Billy

[Keith_M]

I honestly think little to no punishment will be dished out to Hearts by the Disciplinary committee.

I have a feeling they'll be given a warning plus maybe a very small fine.

[Caversham Green]

I’d expect a ruling on the issue to need to address that resorting to the law was bounced back by the courts. This sets a precedent to deter further action of this kind which came with a cost to the clubs concerned and allows a line to drawn to close it down.

On the other hand there is a need to be seen to be doing something given the damage done to other clubs by an action that was always doomed to failure.

So just a sombre telling off may not quite cut it. If I was setting the sanctions I’d consider both a non trivial financial penalty and if allowed by the rules impose a suspended licence sanction. That would be like a court giving a 2 year prison sentence suspended for a year - in reality while it sounds ferocious it is all bark and no bite.

Lord Clark commented that the withdrawal of a licence might be unlawful so it would be interesting to impose a suspended suspension to see if Budge had the cojones to contest it in the Court of Session. Success would mean finally winning a challenge while failure would mean immediate suspension. Probably won't happen though, like Keith M I think a fairly lenient punishment will be imposed in an attempt to calm things down.

[brog]

Lord Clark commented that the withdrawal of a licence might be unlawful so it would be interesting to impose a suspended suspension to see if Budge had the cojones to contest it in the Court of Session. Success would mean finally winning a challenge while failure would mean immediate suspension. Probably won't happen though, like Keith M I think a fairly lenient punishment will be imposed in an attempt to calm things down.

I agree the sentence will probably be lenient but the quandary for the SFA is if it's too lenient then it doesn't discourage others. While a fine for Hearts may be acceptable to them, it could seriously damage PT. Of course, Hearts may also pay PT's fine as they're (Hearts), renowned for their generosity 😁

[Waxy]

I agree the sentence will probably be lenient but the quandary for the SFA is if it's too lenient then it doesn't discourage others. While a fine for Hearts may be acceptable to them, it could seriously damage PT. Of course, Hearts may also pay PT's fine as they're (Hearts), renowned for their generosity 😁
Will hearts find the time to pay the fine? They’ll be busy saving the universe and halting global warming etc.

[Hibby70]

Anyone else get the vibe that "The Mrs" will be a volleyball with a face scribbled on it?

Funny you should say that. At a meeting at work a Jambo colleague was doing a presentation and mentioned having a basketball with a face made of blood on it.

I corrected him that Wilson was a volleyball. He wasn't happy with me as he completely lost his train of thought.

[MrSmith]

Points deduction and small fine.

[nonshinyfinish]

Points deduction and small fine.

SFA doesn't have the power to deduct points.

[Spike Mandela]

Expel them both from the Scottish cup immediately till season 2021/22

[Oscar T Grouch]

While I do think the SFA will be lenient, they will need to make a statement. The best tool they ha e to do this would be expulsion from the Scottish Cup for a year. This is not as extreme as suspending their license, it will hit both teams financially but to an unknown extent (down to what round the clubs budget to reach). They could even say 3 year ban from the cup with two suspended.
My suspicion is that they would need to be punished equally so a fine would obviously effect PT more than hearts. Anyway I’m probably wrong,

[hibbyfraelibby]

Can't see the nuclear option of withdrawal of their pro license or a sizeable fine but I could see a one year transfer ban. After all the gave Sevco a transfer ban when they took them to court so the precedent is set and was unchallenged at the time

[hibeerealist]

While I do think the SFA will be lenient, they will need to make a statement. The best tool they ha e to do this would be expulsion from the Scottish Cup for a year. This is not as extreme as suspending their license, it will hit both teams financially but to an unknown extent (down to what round the clubs budget to reach). They could even say 3 year ban from the cup with two suspended.
My suspicion is that they would need to be punished equally so a fine would obviously effect PT more than hearts. Anyway I’m probably wrong,


Yep Scottish Cup ban, one or two seasons with one suspended.

[Rumble de Thump]

I think the SFA should force Budge to remain in charge of Hearts for at least another five years.

[malcky]

Yep Scottish Cup ban, one or two seasons with one suspended.

The fact that hearts and thistle were relegated wasnt a punishment I think the SFA have to be seen to punish both clubs for their actions.

[Skol]

I agree. I think losing their case and picking up
Costs is sufficient. A warning and a suspended sentence will be outcome.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Might set a a benchmark for others though.
A 3 month suspension from all competitions.

Not within their remit. The SFA can only do 3 things to punish this digression, the can suspend their licence to play football, they can fine them or they can suspend them from the Scottish cup. They have no control over the leagues or league cup, they’re both governed by the SPFL.

[Rumble de Thump]

I agree. I think losing their case and picking up
Costs is sufficient. A warning and a suspended sentence will be outcome.

That would equate to taking zero action against a serious breach of the rules. Paying the costs to other clubs and the SPFL is a separate issue.

[jacomo]

I agree. I think losing their case and picking up
Costs is sufficient. A warning and a suspended sentence will be outcome.


A suspended sentence is smart because it doesn’t punish Hearts and give them cause for grievance but it does force them to behave themselves in future.

[Keith_M]

I honestly think Hearts and The Rangers should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute for their official statements during the last few months.

They've lashed out at both the people in charge and at other clubs that haven't supported them, and basically called everyone else either corrupt or selfish, sometimes naming the people or clubs concerned.

Out of the two, the Yams have actually behaved the worst... although The Rangers 'we will not be bullied into silence' was an incredible thing for them to come out with.

[Skol]

That would equate to taking zero action against a serious breach of the rules. Paying the costs to other clubs and the SPFL is a separate issue.

I think we have to accept though that in addition to Covid hearts are impacted and it was unfortunate it wasn’t over a full season. On that basis I don’t think further punishment is required.

Then again if they want to deduct them three goals for the semi final I would be happy with that

[Hibs Class]

I honestly think Hearts and The Rangers should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute for their official statements during the last few months.

They've lashed out at both the people in charge and at other clubs that haven't supported them, and basically called everyone else either corrupt or selfish, sometimes naming the people or clubs concerned.

Out of the two, the Yams have actually behaved the worst... although The Rangers 'we will not be bullied into silence' was an incredible thing for them to come out with.

I agree. Hearts have not shown any humility over the last few months, but instead have doubled down and lashed out at just about everyone, and the SFA really need to send a message here. A disrepute charge sometimes sounds a bit vague, but I think Hearts' conduct has had no justification and has caused huge damage to the game, e.g. making finding a sponsor harder, sowing division amongst clubs, whipping their supporters into a hate-filled frenzy. Would be okay if a part of their punishment was suspended if only to force them to grow up and behave themselves for a while, but they do also need a substantial part of punishment applied now.

[Rumble de Thump]

I think we have to accept though that in addition to Covid hearts are impacted and it was unfortunate it wasn’t over a full season. On that basis I don’t think further punishment is required.

Then again if they want to deduct them three goals for the semi final I would be happy with that

They haven't been punished yet so there wouldn't be a further punishment.

[Jim44]

A suspended sentence is smart because it doesn’t punish Hearts and give them cause for grievance but it does force them to behave themselves in future.

They don’t need cause for grievance, jacomo. It’s in their genes and they can’t help themselves. I know our perception of their idiocy is based on the shocking behaviour and aggression of their keyboard warriors but I honestly believe that this is a true reflection of the ethos of their club. I would love the SFA to take them to the cleaners.

[Widhibs]

I really hate them, some ******** from my old graft saying they contributed 5 times more than us last month. Who cares, yer relegated and rank rotten. 🤬😡😠. Give it a few months and our contribution to HSL will rise

[Bostonhibby]

Funny you should say that. At a meeting at work a Jambo colleague was doing a presentation and mentioned having a basketball with a face made of blood on it.

I corrected him that Wilson was a volleyball. He wasn't happy with me as he completely lost his train of thought.He had a train of thought? Entirely without any sort of input or statement from Mrs doctor Budge.

That's the most unlikely part of this one for me.

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[Spike Mandela]

I really hate them, some ******** from my old graft saying they contributed 5 times more than us last month. Who cares, yer relegated and rank rotten. 🤬😡😠. Give it a few months and our contribution to HSL will rise

Think about it though. The muppets are paying on average £400 for their season tkt and £20 a month in donations which amounts to arount £640 a season or more to watch mid table mediocrity culminating in an 18 month period where they were virtually unwatchable and ended up getting relegated.

Throw in the money from the benefactor and the overpriced, unfinished stand it makes Ann Budge’s management absolutely unforgivable.

Hearts fans are mugs.

[ahibby]

Think about it though. The muppets are paying on average £400 for their season tkt and £20 a month in donations which amounts to arount £640 a season or more to watch mid table mediocrity culminating in an 18 month period where they were virtually unwatchable and ended up getting relegated.

Throw in the money from the benefactor and the overpriced, unfinished stand it makes Ann Budge’s management absolutely unforgivable.

Hearts fans are mugs.

But they beat us 1 3 at ER surely thats what matters.

[Brummie_Hibs]

I would like to see Doncaster get Budge and whatshername into a room, and stand up and say

"Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"

Then kicks them both out the league.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I really hate them, some ******** from my old graft saying they contributed 5 times more than us last month. Who cares, yer relegated and rank rotten. ������. Give it a few months and our contribution to HSL will rise

ignore them.

their contributions to FOH are so high because the fans constantly have to bail them out of whatever new calamity they’ve got themselves into.

the running of that club has been an absolute disaster for years, error after error after error, and if the roasters on kickback are anything to go by it isn’t going to get any better when and if the fans ever take over

id be fairly confident our 30k this month will be put to much better use than their 150k

[Since452]

Think about it though. The muppets are paying on average £400 for their season tkt and £20 a month in donations which amounts to arount £640 a season or more to watch mid table mediocrity culminating in an 18 month period where they were virtually unwatchable and ended up getting relegated.

Throw in the money from the benefactor and the overpriced, unfinished stand it makes Ann Budge’s management absolutely unforgivable.

Hearts fans are mugs.

But but 5-1

[weecounty hibby]

They have not been punished at all for the way they have acted. They were relegated which is what happens to the team at the bottom of the league when the season ends. The season ended early after a vote which hearts actually voted for. Therefore they have not been punished. They then went on to break the association rules by taking the SPFL to court, where they lost. They then went to arbitration, which they should have done in the first place, and lost. They now have to face the consequences

[ahibby]

But but 5-1

But last and loudest whatever that might imply.

[Eyrie]

There is no point to a suspended punishment.

A suspended punishment is only an option when there is a realistic possibility of a club committing the same infringement within the time frame of the suspension, and that would only be two or three seasons.

It's extremely unlikely that Hearts or Partick would find themselves in a situation like this again, so a suspension would be the equivalent of letting them off with it.

The sanction has to be a financial penalty.

[A Hi-Bee]

There is no point to a suspended punishment.

A suspended punishment is only an option when there is a realistic possibility of a club committing the same infringement within the time frame of the suspension, and that would only be two or three seasons.

It's extremely unlikely that Hearts or Partick would find themselves in a situation like this again, so a suspension would be the equivalent of letting them off with it.

The sanction has to be a financial penalty.

It needs to be a very large financial penalty (which will be paid by Anderson and the club they have that throws cash at them foh or whatever) They should also be hammered with a points deduction min -12points if up to me it would be -15points.
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

[Onion]

It needs to be a very large financial penalty (which will be paid by Anderson and the club they have that throws cash at them foh or whatever) They should also be hammered with a points deduction min -12points if up to me it would be -15points.
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

:agree: One point for every time they fell flat on their faces over the last 4 months. Makes sense.

[Greenfly]

It needs to be a very large financial penalty (which will be paid by Anderson and the club they have that throws cash at them foh or whatever) They should also be hammered with a points deduction min -12points if up to me it would be -15points.
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

Surely the SFA can't deduct points from a competition run by another organisation (ie. SPFL)?

[The 90+2]

Hammer them. Spend the fine on a fine Buffett at the Hibernian v Aberdeen Scottish Cup final as a welcome back for Sir Rod.

Sorted.

[Sammy7nil]

I really hate them, some ******** from my old graft saying they contributed 5 times more than us last month. Who cares, yer relegated and rank rotten. 🤬😡😠. Give it a few months and our contribution to HSL will rise

Must try harder because this must be a wind up :greengrin no one cares what Hearts fans donate well done to them but no one cares.

[FilipinoHibs]

Surely the SFA can't deduct points from a competition run by another organisation (ie. SPFL)?

Looks like a fine. A suspension from this sesson's SC would be good. They have damaged the reputation of Scottish football by taking all the clubs to court when there was clearly no case. While at same time putting out statements attacking the whole of Scottish football. They need a harsh punishment.

[Eyrie]

Looks like a fine. A suspension from this sesson's SC would be good. They have damaged the reputation of Scottish football by taking all the clubs to court when there was clearly no case. While at same time putting out statements attacking the whole of Scottish football. They need a harsh punishment.

Which they would then take back to court claiming it's unfair.

The court might entertain them if the SFA throw them out the league, but not if they suspend them from the Scottish Cup on the basis that the fine wouldn't be an effective punishment due to Benny's cash.

And once the court decides that it's an SFA matter, the SFA can then charge them a second time.

I'm liking where this is going :devil:

[huggie1875]

Surely the SFA can't deduct points from a competition run by another organisation (ie. SPFL)?


i think UEFA will want action taken they dont like teams taking court action outside CAS

[Hibby70]

i think UEFA will want action taken they dont like teams taking court action outside CAS

That's correct, were Sion not deducted 30 points for going to court.

[Future17]

Looks like a fine. A suspension from this sesson's SC would be good. They have damaged the reputation of Scottish football by taking all the clubs to court when there was clearly no case. While at same time putting out statements attacking the whole of Scottish football. They need a harsh punishment.

I think being "expelled" from this season's Scottish Cup is unlikely as that has the potential to hurt Hibs financially.

[Dashing Bob S]

Fine them 150K per month

[Kato]

Fine them 150K per monthGive them their own language back at them and just exclude them. They are happier working as a restaurant and a support group for the parochially challenged anyway. They can all sit around hating Hibs (as well as everyone else now) and pretending to be able to see the castle. They wont have to worry about actual football any more.

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[FilipinoHibs]

I think being "expelled" from this season's Scottish Cup is unlikely as that has the potential to hurt Hibs financially.
I am talking about this season's SC not last season's which will be completed this season.

[Logie Green]

If they do get a points deduction hopefully the authorities will add an extra point. This will partially compensate for the one they forgot to deduct when hertz fielded an ineligible player in the League Cup group stages and only got a 2 point deduction instead of 3.

[Mikey]

That's correct, were Sion not deducted 30 points for going to court.

Now that would be funny. League 1 here they come :hilarious

[InchHibby]

The behaviour from that mob has been, to say the least, shocking and disrespectful, they have scorned other clubs, they have threatened to delay the start of the season with their nonsense, their fans are now threatening other clubs, they’ve clearly broken the rules so surely they must be punished and not just with a slap on the wrist. But something tells me they’ll get away with it.

[Topographic Hibby]

That's correct, were Sion not deducted 30 points for going to court.

Was 36 points for irregularities in player signings, according to wikipedia.

Interestingly, the wiki article mentions that FIFA threatened the Swiss FA with sanctions if they failed to discipline Sion. The breaches and legal actions by Sion appear to be way worse than Hearts, but I would guess that UEFA at least will be watching what the SFA do here, making sure they take appropriate action.

[Caversham Green]

The SFA may not be able to deduct points but the SPFL can. Here are the SPFL rules re the relationship between clubs and the League:


B1 In all matters and transactions relating to the League and Company each Club shallbehave towards each other Club and the Company with the utmost good faith.

B2 No Member , either by itself or its Officials, shall by any means whatsoever disparage,belittle, discredit or unfairly criticise any other Member or its Club, the Company, theLeague, the Directors, Alternate Director and the directors of any other Member andthe Company's and other Members’ officers, employees, Officials and agents (whichshall, for the avoidance of doubt, in the case of the other Member and its Club,exclude it and its Club’s supporters).

B3 A Club, Official, member of a Committee and any person who by his or herengagement with or connection to the Company may come into possession orknowledge of Confidential Information shall not at any time disclose or divulgeeither directly or indirectly to any person, firm or company whatsoever orotherwise make use of any Confidential Information or any of his, her or itsdealings, transactions or affairs or as to any other matters which may cometo its knowledge by reason of its Membership and/or his, her or its membership ofany Committee, without the Board's prior written consent save where required bylaw to statutory and regulatory authorities (including by the Scottish FA inaccordance with the Scottish FA Articles), and to such Officials of a Club to whomsuch disclosure is strictly necessary for the purpose of the discharge of theirduties and only then to the extent strictly necessary for such discharge and on thebasis of the same obligation of confidentiality to the Company.

HoMFC have been in constant breach of these rules, not least in Budge's last rant where she disparages all the clubs and chairmen who voted against the interests of HoMFC as well as the SPFL board. They really should be charged under these rules but sadly it probably won't happen. They should put her under caution for future conduct though.

[hibee-boys]

If they had accepted the democratic outcome in the first place I may have had some, a little, sympathy for them and the other clubs who have been demoted based on the points per game average. But no, from day 1, they have behaved like spoilt brats, flexing their Ben.E.Factors financial muscle, knowing full well that he/they would pull them out of the sxxx no matter the outcome.

No sympathy now whatsoever, I hope they rot in the Championship, or below, for years to come.

[PatHead]

The behaviour from that mob has been, to say the least, shocking and disrespectful, they have scorned other clubs, they have threatened to delay the start of the season with their nonsense, their fans are now threatening other clubs, they’ve clearly broken the rules so surely they must be punished and not just with a slap on the wrist. But something tells me they’ll get away with it.

A lot of folk were saying that about relegation. It did happen.
Let's hope the SFA now do their job.

[Bostonhibby]

Give them their own language back at them and just exclude them. They are happier working as a restaurant and a support group for the parochially challenged anyway. They can all sit around hating Hibs (as well as everyone else now) and pretending to be able to see the castle. They wont have to worry about actual football any more.

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[Joe6-2]

A lot of folk were saying that about relegation. It did happen.
Let's hope the SFA now do their job.

My thoughts too

[malcolm]

The SFA may not be able to deduct points but the SPFL can. Here are the SPFL rules re the relationship between clubs and the League:



HoMFC have been in constant breach of these rules, not least in Budge's last rant where she disparages all the clubs and chairmen who voted against the interests of HoMFC as well as the SPFL board. They really should be charged under these rules but sadly it probably won't happen. They should put her under caution for future conduct though.

Actually when you think about it the budge behaviour would, using any sensible definition, cast doubt on whether she continues to be fit and proper or a Trumpet that needs to be barred from her position.

Indeed if referencing the Donald, maybe someone ought to ask her to point out the elephant in the room she has not seen for months or repeat ‘person woman man camera TV (https://youtu.be/LhZyHIZpzoM)’ or to make it easier ‘person woman Craig documentary TV’ :greengrin

[Eyrie]

The SFA may not be able to deduct points but the SPFL can. Here are the SPFL rules re the relationship between clubs and the League:



HoMFC have been in constant breach of these rules, not least in Budge's last rant where she disparages all the clubs and chairmen who voted against the interests of HoMFC as well as the SPFL board. They really should be charged under these rules but sadly it probably won't happen. They should put her under caution for future conduct though.

This is an example of where a suspended punishment (or partial suspension) would be appropriate as there is a reasonable possibility of a repeat offence occurring without such a sanction being in place.

[Malthibby]

This is an example of where a suspended punishment (or partial suspension) would be appropriate as there is a reasonable possibility of a repeat offence occurring without such a sanction being in place.

Some form of technical legalise which roughly equates to 'Shut yer gob or we'll have your erse on a platter.'
GG

[Seveno]

The SFA are in a difficult position. They will want to try and restore some semblance of harmony back into Scottish Football. On the other hand, they cannot set a precedence by not punishing such a clear breach of their rules. I think there will be relatively low fine but with a much more punitive suspended element. They might even offer Budge the opportunity to apologise before sentencing. That would be amusing.

[jacomo]

Some form of technical legalise which roughly equates to 'Shut yer gob or we'll have your erse on a platter.'
GG


It’s almost perfect because forcing Budge to quit whingeing will be torture for her, and Hearts can’t really complain about a suspended sentence as it’s pretty lenient in the circumstances.

[Mikey]

The current league table must really annoy them :hilarious

[Keith_M]

The current league table must really annoy them :hilarious


We appear to be seventeen places above them

:greengrin

[Eyrie]

The current league table must really annoy them :hilarious

The risk to public health means that the 2020/21 season should finish immediately with final placings decided by the current positions.

[Greenfly]

Was 36 points for irregularities in player signings, according to wikipedia.

Interestingly, the wiki article mentions that FIFA threatened the Swiss FA with sanctions if they failed to discipline Sion. The breaches and legal actions by Sion appear to be way worse than Hearts, but I would guess that UEFA at least will be watching what the SFA do here, making sure they take appropriate action.


I still don't think the SFA can deduct points as the league isn't run by them but by the SPFL, which is a separate entity. The Swiss FA were able to dock points from Sion because they do run the Swiss league. I'm not a lawyer but I just can't see how they can be docked league points. Booting them out the cup should be within the SFA's remit and, as the Governing body, they can issue a fine.

[147lothian]

The current league table must really annoy them :hilarious

Indeed it does, I just a wee peek on aleagueback Ex member of the SaS wants them to boycott away grounds to hurt Scottish football, I don't think he realizes that even when they do get back to playing, away fans will most likely not be allowed to enter these wee grounds anyway, but lets just leave him to his boycott

[Since452]

The current league table must really annoy them :hilarious

Just had my Hearts mate throwing the toys out the pram on the group chat by saying the league table never lies 😂

[Irish_Steve]

I think Hagar is hurtin' - badly lol

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I have not posted for a while, quite frankly been deflated by the arbitration process and our confirmed expulsion. But I would like to offer my thoughts on the future of the sport I used to be in love with. Firstly, we have to look at the arbitration process. I put my faith in the arbitration process, but did I trust the panel members? NO, I know they have to act within the law, and they made their decision on what was legal rather than morally wrong, but they are still employed by the SFA and they are their pay masters? Would we have had a different result in the court of Session? I think so because I believe this panel was lied to and it would be harder to lie in court.



This total farce we were forced into will manifest its self again, and the self-interest brigade will have a charter to not only protect themselves but take great delight in stabbing a fellow member in the front without recourse. The arbitration result is a free pass to do any amount of harm to any other club. All it takes is an 80% vote apparently, but worse only 8 of the top flight clubs are required to gorge on any wounded animal that a club finds themselves in a predicament.



There is no point in going through a costly exercise in terms of time and money for no matter how badly the others treat you, you have to go to arbitration first or face a fine or expulsion, and the arbitration process is a total behind closed doors fit up, so you get punished over and over again. We are about to be punished for a third time by the SFA, and they can’t see the real harm they will inflict because them is the rules! Its only about 2 clubs and the 5WA is testament to that, Sevco would have been an SPFL team from the off, if it was left to the chair-people.



That links nicely into the disciplinary case we now have to face; We did 100% do the right thing in fighting our corner, I can’t see them going for the maximum they can offer, as the COS warned them of the legality of that, but they will make an example of us, to show they are all powerful and we will get hammered as a warning to all! Brian Rice and Hamilton faced the same threat warning of £1m and or suspension and/or expulsion. But Brian had a 10 game ban, which was quite fitting for match fixing wasn’t it?

The disciplinary case will find that balance between us having to accept it and not fighting it in court and not putting PT out of business altogether. But I can see us getting a 5 game league ban, thus awarding everybody else an automatic 3-0 win, and they will still have the brass neck to expect us to compete in the cup semi. I am only guessing of course, but what use would a £10 grand fine be?



Moving on to the new season, well the top flight just stared as though nothing has happened, which was easy to do, when nobody there was harmed, I don’t know what the viewing figures were? but I bet ours will blow them out the water, as they will all want to see how we react.



Mr Vindication still has no sponsor for the league. How will he get one under his leadership? He has become the Charles Ratner of world football. And rat if fitting as a description for him as any. The clubs themselves voted to screw over a competitor. The two biggest clubs actively promote religious intolerance while paying lip service to racism. The current biggest club shows absolutely no sympathy or remorse for the most abhorrent crimes against children under their care for decades. Still at least that crime won’t be dealt with by an SFA arbitration process. But given all of that, what a brand we have to offer to the business world.



The three lower leagues are full of clubs who just want to move on, well goody two shoes for them. But the rift that Mr Vindication has caused will be a legacy that will remain for eternity, We won’t forget, and neither will a huge amount of other clubs, Fans, shareholders, players and Chair-people. I can see fights breaking out inside the board room, let alone within the terraces and the streets outside. PT, Stranraer, Falkirk, ICT, Brora and Kelty.



The BBC sports media are like that 15-year-old laddie who is the plus one to another single mate at a sweet 16 party for a girl they know, but he is so far out his depth, he is sitting fingering through the hosts album collection, while the birthday girl has just caught her boyfriend kissing her greatest rival. There has been the mother of all fallouts, tears, hair, mascara and snot everywhere. Most have left, but the laddie is now dancing on his own with that one can of warm flat lager he has nursed all night. His mate has pulled, and gone hours ago, and he does not have the social etiquette to just go home. The last remnants of the party are the girls’ best mates trying to put the broken pieces together. The boy is creeping everybody else out now. His opinion on the matter is about as relevant as a fly head-butting a mac truck on the M8. He is happy to continue to dance on his own as there is nobody there to watch him, and quite frankly the night was still better than being at home firing off that fifth one to his mums Kays catalogue.



So what of the game that I have fallen out of love with and buggered of the birthday girl’s worst nightmare?

Slow death?…yip

Is it time to discuss reconstruction?…never

Will the league get a sponsor?…nope

Will we get hammered by the SFA?…Oh yes.

Will the top flight cancel relegation, while the lower leagues keep theirs? Possibly

Will Doncaster do far worse than he has so far? YIP

Will the 15YO get a girl friend? Not in the near future.



At the start of this year, I would not have wanted one single club to go burst, now I want only one club not to go burst? I want it all to burn. What will happen from the ashes? Well it will be rebuilt but will anything change? Of course not, are you some kind of idiot?

[The 90+2]

They only got relegated ffs. All clubs acted in self interest and it was nothing personal against the flumps. How is it so hard to take?

[Spike Mandela]

They only got relegated ffs. All clubs acted in self interest and it was nothing personal against the flumps. How is it so hard to take?

:agree:Hearts were asking other clubs to do what they wouldn’t have done if situations were reversed. If for once they could just be honest with themselves.

If Hearts had beaten St Mirren they would have voted to call the league, voted against reconstruction and would have encouraged St Mirren not to go to court.

They need to grow up, stop spewing out vitreol and bloody get on with it. It’s what McRae’s battallion would have done.

[The 90+2]

:agree:Hearts were asking other clubs to do what they wouldn’t have done if situations were reversed. If for once they could just be honest with themselves.

If Hearts had beaten St Mirren they would have voted to call the league, voted against reconstruction and would have encouraged St Mirren not to go to court.

They need to grow up, stop spewing out vitreol and bloody get on with it. It’s what McRae’s battallion would have done.

Exactly this. Greetin’ faced hypocrisy with a major dash of deflection. Even their legal fees while “fighting it all the way” paid by someone else. Get over it. They’re down, they would have acted the same had they not been miss managed so ***** that it ended up them bottom pumped in Paisley.

[brog]

:agree:Hearts were asking other clubs to do what they wouldn’t have done if situations were reversed. If for once they could just be honest with themselves.

If Hearts had beaten St Mirren they would have voted to call the league, voted against reconstruction and would have encouraged St Mirren not to go to court.

They need to grow up, stop spewing out vitreol and bloody get on with it. It’s what McRae’s battallion would have done.

You're correct except they wouldn't have voted against reconstruction because it would never have been on the table!

[tamig]

I think Hagar is hurtin' - badly lol

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Hagar’s load of pish rant.

Blah Blah Blah


They really don’t seem to understand anything about the arbitration process at all.

And a defamatory comment relating to Brian Rice. Match fixing? FFS.

And self- interest? The hypocrisy of it.

What a bunch of clowns they are.

[nonshinyfinish]

I think Hagar is hurtin' - badly lol

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the arbitration process is a total behind closed doors fit up

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Right, that's why your club is the one blocking the publication of the "fit up". :hmmm:

[Kato]

If for once they could just be honest with themselves.


Anyone expecting that to happen is in cloud cockoo land, which is right next door to Tom English's hoose coincidently.

[Bostonhibby]

Right, that's why your club is the one blocking the publication of the "fit up". :hmmm:Presumably Hagar the halibut thinks court is the way to go?

Oh, wait a minute.

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[007]

I think Hagar is hurtin' - badly lol

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I have not posted for a while...

He should have kept it that way.

[Sioux]

I think Hagar is hurtin' - badly lol.....................

This clown needs help.

The other flumps on KB lap up his flowery speeches and bow at his feet. They really are a bunch of weirdos.

[Paisley Hibby]

If bitterness and toy throwing were Olympic Sports, Hagar the Horrible would be a double gold medalist 🤣

[Jdawg]

If bitterness and toy throwing were Olympic Sports, Hagar the Horrible would be a double gold medalist 🤣

If he got silver he always has the Court of Session at his disposal.

[matty_f]

Hagar’s post is a good reflection of the mindset they have - they’ve gaslit each other into believing a completely fabricated version of reality, where clubs voted against them (never happened), where Doncaster sits plotting their demise (never happened) and now even independent legal professionals are conspiring against them (never happened).

[jacomo]

If bitterness and toy throwing were Olympic Sports, Hagar the Horrible would be a double gold medalist 🤣


I thought his bit about being the lonely teenager at the party was heartfelt. I feel like I’ve learned something about him and, indeed, many Jambos.

[Hibs07p]

Hagar’s post is a good reflection of the mindset they have - they’ve gaslit each other into believing a completely fabricated version of reality, where clubs voted against them (never happened), where Doncaster sits plotting their demise (never happened) and now even independent legal professionals are conspiring against them (never happened).

I wouldn’t want to stoke their paranoia, but I’m pretty sure that Rod Petrie has been rushed back to oversee the punishment that the SFA is about to hand down. :cb:cb

GGTTH

Scottish cup winners 2016

[Winston Ingram]

The SFA are in a difficult position. They will want to try and restore some semblance of harmony back into Scottish Football. On the other hand, they cannot set a precedence by not punishing such a clear breach of their rules. I think there will be relatively low fine but with a much more punitive suspended element. They might even offer Budge the opportunity to apologise before sentencing. That would be amusing.

UEFA will also be looking at this and the SFA will be wary of that. They’ve got to give a punishment or face sanction from them but they’ll also not want to be too harsh through fear of being dragged back to court.

[FilipinoHibs]

SPFL hit back: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-blast-back-hearts-partick-22463878#ICID=Android_DailyRecordNewsApp_AppShare

[calumhibee1]

What a farce this is ending up. It’s over, we’ve all moved on yet Hearts are still trying to pick fights. Hope rod ****ing hammers them.

[Keith_M]

SPFL hit back: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-blast-back-hearts-partick-22463878#ICID=Android_DailyRecordNewsApp_AppShare


I wish the DR would just give up on the stupid 'M8 Alliance'.

It's a totally pathetic phrase and, despite how often they use it, it's just not catching on.

[green day]

I wish the DR would just give up on the stupid 'M8 Alliance'.

It's a totally pathetic phrase and, despite how often they use it, it's just not catching on.

I agree, but then again I hate the word "Yams" but it seems to have caught on on this site.................

[007]

SPFL hit back: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-blast-back-hearts-partick-22463878#ICID=Android_DailyRecordNewsApp_AppShare

I'm glad Doncaster isn't letting them get away with their continual slanderous comments and keeps showing them up for the fools they are. No doubt Hearts fans are squealing yet again about being victimised when all it is, is the SPFL board again defending themselves from attacks on their character.

[greenginger]

I agree, but then again I hate the word "Yams" but it seems to have caught on on this site.................


https://images.app.goo.gl/dXuAJHp9fvWEeDHm9

These yams look like large turds to me,

pretty appropriate name if you ask me. :greengrin

[calumhibee1]

I'm glad Doncaster isn't letting them get away with their continual slanderous comments and keeps showing them up for the fools they are. No doubt Hearts fans are squealing yet again about being victimised when all it is, is the SPFL board again defending themselves from attacks on their character.

They genuinely believe they were relegated for being Hearts rather than for finishing bottom of the league and the same process being carried out as we use every year. They’ll never be convinced other wise.

[matty_f]

They genuinely believe they were relegated for being Hearts rather than for finishing bottom of the league and the same process being carried out as we use every year. They’ll never be convinced other wise.

They've convinced each other of that, they have invented a whole different 'reality' where they've been the victims of a concerted campaign from all the other clubs to punish them. No matter what the evidence says, they refuse to accept it.

[Rumble de Thump]

SPFL hit back: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-blast-back-hearts-partick-22463878#ICID=Android_DailyRecordNewsApp_AppShare

The only comment from the SPFL in that article is the one that was made before Budge made her statement. In what way has the SPFL 'hit back'?

[FilipinoHibs]

The only comment from the SPFL in that article is the one that was made before Budge made her statement. In what way has the SPFL 'hit back'?

To paraphrase : Hearts want transparency but they don't want the full details of the decision released. Implying it would make the M8 alliance look even more ridiculous.

[hibbyfraelibby]

If bitterness and toy throwing were Olympic Sports, Hagar the Horrible would be a double gold medalist 🤣

Nah...he'd get thrown out on doping grounds i.e. he is one

[malcolm]

To paraphrase : Hearts want transparency but they don't want the full details of the decision released. Implying it would make the M8 alliance look even more ridiculous.

Is it not that they don’t want the Judgement alone published but that they apparently want the whole shebang including evidence published. I think the spfl are happy to have everything published if all parties consent. Given that some of this info will be commercial and private in respect to the likes of salaries and sponsorship of the individual clubs dragged into this, perhaps the squealing two are relying on that blocking consent so making it look like there is something being concealed in support of their stance? A solution would be to publish with commercial details redacted but I’ll not hold my breath for that being published. Or maybe someone is worried about their position in the ‘incredulous statement’ league.

[neil7908]

Worth contrasting the reaction from our friends across the road versus Wigan who have taken their relegation to an arbitration panel (and also lost)

Wigan's statement: "The club put forward a strong case and naturally we are disappointed at the decision. The first-team management will now prepare the team for next season's League One campaign."

[The 90+2]

Worth contrasting the reaction from our friends across the road versus Wigan who have taken their relegation to an arbitration panel (and also lost)

Wigan's statement: "The club put forward a strong case and naturally we are disappointed at the decision. The first-team management will now prepare the team for next season's League One campaign."

As their new/old owners have made £100s of millions on them going down 🧐

**** hearts btw, in no way backing them 😎

[The 90+2]

They've convinced each other of that, they have invented a whole different 'reality' where they've been the victims of a concerted campaign from all the other clubs to punish them. No matter what the evidence says, they refuse to accept it.

Yep. It’s the Spfl and all the ****my clubs in the land that voted directly to just pick them out a list and send them down to the worst league in the world ever without them doing anything wrong. They won 3-1 at Easter Road afterall so we jealously sent them down. Not they are simply the *****st top level club over 18 months sitting bottom of the league.

[jacomo]

Worth contrasting the reaction from our friends across the road versus Wigan who have taken their relegation to an arbitration panel (and also lost)

Wigan's statement: "The club put forward a strong case and naturally we are disappointed at the decision. The first-team management will now prepare the team for next season's League One campaign."


Class, dignity and perspective. All qualities sorely lacking at Hearts.

[calumhibee1]

Yep. It’s the Spfl and all the ****my clubs in the land that voted directly to just pick them out a list and send them down to the worst league in the world ever without them doing anything wrong. They won 3-1 at Easter Road afterall so we jealously sent them down. Not they are simply the *****st top level club over 18 months sitting bottom of the league.

:agree:

Even now after the dust has settled I still see things like the decision being ‘vindictive’ and ‘out of spite’ etc. They really have managed to convince themselves that they were voted down for being the famous and it was absolutely nothing to do with their league placing. I don’t even think the fact they were bottom of the league crosses a lot of their minds when trying to fathom how they could have been relegated.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

SPFL hit back: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-blast-back-hearts-partick-22463878#ICID=Android_DailyRecordNewsApp_AppShare

The pictures in that article...jeez. Ronnie Wood and Chucky.

[Hibs4185]

The pictures in that article...jeez. Ronnie Wood and Chucky.

That’s a bit Shan to be honest.....on Ronnie Wood and poor Chucky.

[FilipinoHibs]

Is it not that they don’t want the Judgement alone published but that they apparently want the whole shebang including evidence published. I think the spfl are happy to have everything published if all parties consent. Given that some of this info will be commercial and private in respect to the likes of salaries and sponsorship of the individual clubs dragged into this, perhaps the squealing two are relying on that blocking consent so making it look like there is something being concealed in support of their stance? A solution would be to publish with commercial details redacted but I’ll not hold my breath for that being published. Or maybe someone is worried about their position in the ‘incredulous statement’ league.

Interestingly, on the Sportsound thread, Doncaster is quoted as saying in his Richard Gordon interview that the SPFL were happy to have all the court documents released. More spin and lies from Budge and co.

[Lendo]

I agree, but then again I hate the word "Yams" but it seems to have caught on on this site.................

i will be honest, I’ve never understood where the term Yam came from. Can anyone enlighten me?

[jacomo]

Is it not that they don’t want the Judgement alone published but that they apparently want the whole shebang including evidence published. I think the spfl are happy to have everything published if all parties consent. Given that some of this info will be commercial and private in respect to the likes of salaries and sponsorship of the individual clubs dragged into this, perhaps the squealing two are relying on that blocking consent so making it look like there is something being concealed in support of their stance? A solution would be to publish with commercial details redacted but I’ll not hold my breath for that being published. Or maybe someone is worried about their position in the ‘incredulous statement’ league.


Hearts won the statement league with ease. Again. Budge is determined to stay on for 10IAR.

[HoboHarry]

i will be honest, I’ve never understood where the term Yam came from. Can anyone enlighten me?
It's a purple to pink coloured member of the tube(r) family. Seems appropriate to me....

[The 90+2]

:agree:

Even now after the dust has settled I still see things like the decision being ‘vindictive’ and ‘out of spite’ etc. They really have managed to convince themselves that they were voted down for being the famous and it was absolutely nothing to do with their league placing. I don’t even think the fact they were bottom of the league crosses a lot of their minds when trying to fathom how they could have been relegated.

Budge is the luckiest *****st owner ever. They still think she’s the best owner ever fighting their cause. Still taking money from them and done nothing wrong . And you’ve got Tom English calling her a fantastic business woman: it’s back to the days when Charlie Mann said Romanov was a brilliant investor in Scottish football. They never get found out and when they do it’s somehow poor hearts even thought they rip off millions.

[The 90+2]

Budge is the luckiest *****st owner ever. They still think she’s the best owner ever fighting their cause. Still taking money from them and done nothing wrong . And you’ve got Tom English calling her a fantastic business woman: it’s back to the days when Charlie Mann said Romanov was a brilliant investor in Scottish football. They never get found out and when they do it’s somehow poor hearts even thought they rip off millions.

It’s always somehow poor hearts. **** them.

[Since452]

Budge is the luckiest *****st owner ever. They still think she’s the best owner ever fighting their cause. Still taking money from them and done nothing wrong . And you’ve got Tom English calling her a fantastic business woman: it’s back to the days when Charlie Mann said Romanov was a brilliant investor in Scottish football. They never get found out and when they do it’s somehow poor hearts even thought they rip off millions.

The whole ending of the season and subsequent court case has masked her shocking failure. The pitchforks would have been out for her if the season had ended normally however she's used the situation to her advantage by pandering to the fans. Luckily for her the thickest fans in world football can't see that. She must shake her head and chuckle at her own good fortune every day.

For us it's fantastic. The longer she's there the longer the mismanagement will continue.

[Bostonhibby]

i will be honest, I’ve never understood where the term Yam came from. Can anyone enlighten me?Gets debated on here from time to time, been around since my youth on the basis that it was an unattractive maroon coloured thick skinned vegetable.

Some don't like the term, but we're a broad church and other vegetables are available.

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[Paisley Hibby]

The whole ending of the season and subsequent court case has masked her shocking failure. The pitchforks would have been out for her if the season had ended normally however she's used the situation to her advantage by pandering to the fans. Luckily for her the thickest fans in world football can't see that. She must shake her head and chuckle at her own good fortune every day.

For us it's fantastic. The longer she's there the longer the mismanagement will continue.
Agreed. She's doing a fantastic job 🤣

[Bostonhibby]

Agreed. She's doing a fantastic job [emoji1787]Agreed, let's not underestimate how difficult it is to achieve relegation with a spend running to tens of millions but still remain popular, the same seemed to be the case with their relegation winning manager Desperate Dan.

Budge must stay, and hopefully be given loads more donations to manage in her unique style.

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[Keith_M]

Worth contrasting the reaction from our friends across the road versus Wigan who have taken their relegation to an arbitration panel (and also lost)

Wigan's statement: "The club put forward a strong case and naturally we are disappointed at the decision. The first-team management will now prepare the team for next season's League One campaign."


Wigan appealed against being relegated by a points deduction that they felt was unfair

Hearts were just relegated because they were rubbish.

[FilipinoHibs]

Gets debated on here from time to time, been around since my youth on the basis that it was an unattractive maroon coloured thick skinned vegetable.

Some don't like the term, but we're a broad church and other vegetables are available.

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Also in slang stands for "You're A Moron".

[hibsbollah]

I’m just listening to the Guardians football podcast, who never normally give much time to Scotland. They’ve rolled out Worst Sports Journalist Ever Ewan Murray, who spent the interview staging a personal attack on Neil Doncaster and saying nothing about Hearts, Budge or the real reasons the bitterness and general shambles has taken place. It’s no wonder folk down south don’t have any sort of accurate knowledge of Scottish football when you have journalists with transparent fake agendas like that. We’re so badly served by our sports journalism.

[matty_f]

I’m just listening to the Guardians football podcast, who never normally give much time to Scotland. They’ve rolled out Worst Sports Journalist Ever Ewan Murray, who spent the interview staging a personal attack on Neil Doncaster and saying nothing about Hearts, Budge or the real reasons the bitterness and general shambles has taken place. It’s no wonder folk down south don’t have any sort of accurate knowledge of Scottish football when you have journalists with transparent fake agendas like that. We’re so badly served by our sports journalism.

Doncaster should go to town on these journalists and have them up in court for it.

[JimBHibees]

Doncaster should go to town on these journalists and have them up in court for it.

I think he should too as it is a joke that people seem to think they can slander him without even trying to prove any of it. There would be a long list though.

[jax67]

Beat me to it. This outburst absolutely has to be dealt with by the authorities.
This rogue club have spent months trying to disrupt Scottish football after spending millions trying to buy their way out of a relegation spot. That fails.

They invent a wholly unjustified compensation figure in an attempt to scare Scottish football in to submission. That fails.
They knowingly break the rules and by-pass the football authorities to go to court. That fails.
They have lived in a fantasy world where they promote the idea that there is something underhanded going on at the SPFL, an organisation that they are a full, contributing, member of. That fails.
They force the SPFL to reveal all documents pertaining the the circumstances surrounding the ending of season 2019/20, convinced they will find a “Smoking gun”. That fails.
They argue their now pathetically weak case in front of three, eminently qualified and independent, judges. That fails
And now their rhetoric is to kick off at the result, somehow suggesting that they are in a “War” against something or someone.

If they cannot find some dignity soon I sincerely hope the authorities throw the book at them. This one team **** show must stop and if it means sticking them at the bottom tier of Scottish football to cool their jets then maybe that is the answer.

Definitely what's required, can't see it happening sadly.

[Keith_M]

I’m just listening to the Guardians football podcast, who never normally give much time to Scotland. They’ve rolled out Worst Sports Journalist Ever Ewan Murray, who spent the interview staging a personal attack on Neil Doncaster and saying nothing about Hearts, Budge or the real reasons the bitterness and general shambles has taken place. It’s no wonder folk down south don’t have any sort of accurate knowledge of Scottish football when you have journalists with transparent fake agendas like that. We’re so badly served by our sports journalism.


That's basically what his last few articles have been about.

The guy is a bitter Hearts fan and just can't let it go.

[MrSmith]

That's basically what his last few articles have been about.

The guy is a bitter Hearts fan and just can't let it go.

For some reason/s Hearts fans, board and media friends seem unable to understand that ND does not make any decisions, it is the 42 clubs themselves who agree a plan or agenda and ND simply actions it with the resources available to him.

Each individual & unique Scottish football club is the SPFL- what do Hearts not understand?

[hibsbollah]

That's basically what his last few articles have been about.

The guy is a bitter Hearts fan and just can't let it go.

He said ND was terrible at his job and should go. Barry Glendinning agreed with him despite admitting he knew nothing about the whole affair. Really shameful character assassination with a total lack of evidence, except for this starting the season without a sponsor thing. Ewen Murray calling out someone else for being crap at their job is of course deeply ironic.

[Skol]

I stopped listening to the Guardian Podcast as I couldnt listen to Glenndinning any more

[Tug Wilson]

Budge should really show Doncaster up by getting a sponsor for the Statement League.

[Monts]

i will be honest, I’ve never understood where the term Yam came from. Can anyone enlighten me?

I always thought it was just a bit of silly rhyming slang: Jam Tarts - Yam Farts

[Bostonhibby]

I’m just listening to the Guardians football podcast, who never normally give much time to Scotland. They’ve rolled out Worst Sports Journalist Ever Ewan Murray, who spent the interview staging a personal attack on Neil Doncaster and saying nothing about Hearts, Budge or the real reasons the bitterness and general shambles has taken place. It’s no wonder folk down south don’t have any sort of accurate knowledge of Scottish football when you have journalists with transparent fake agendas like that. We’re so badly served by our sports journalism.Guardian is the only paper I ever buy but this Murray guy's lack of objectivity and poor sports knowledge generally has inspired me to take the petty, futile step of not buying it any more.

He's a proper Duncan for sure.

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[hibstag]

[QUOTE=Irish_Steve;6255501]I think Hagar is hurtin' - badly lol

He has also had a flashback mid post to his teenage years. Think he needs some therapy around his issues

[Pagan Hibernia]

Gets debated on here from time to time, been around since my youth on the basis that it was an unattractive maroon coloured thick skinned vegetable.

Some don't like the term, but we're a broad church and other vegetables are available.

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hearts fans may be thick but they’re definitely not thick skinned. Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

[Pagan Hibernia]

The whole ending of the season and subsequent court case has masked her shocking failure. The pitchforks would have been out for her if the season had ended normally however she's used the situation to her advantage by pandering to the fans. Luckily for her the thickest fans in world football can't see that. She must shake her head and chuckle at her own good fortune every day.

For us it's fantastic. The longer she's there the longer the mismanagement will continue.

i wouldn’t worry too much about her leaving. If she ever does hand over the reins to the foundation of hearts it’s more comedy guaranteed.

take a look at JKB (and the recent statement from FOH) and tell me that lot can successfully run a football club.

[Bostonhibby]

hearts fans may be thick but they’re definitely not thick skinned. Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.Yep, the shame bar was set pretty low when Hearts published their very own list of creditors they wouldn't be paying and they included the Macraes Battalion trust, Big Hearts and "incredulously" The Lady Haig poppy fund.

Shameless doesn't begin to cover it.

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[Bostonhibby]

i wouldn’t worry too much about her leaving. If she ever does hand over the reins to the foundation of hearts it’s more comedy guaranteed.

take a look at JKB (and the recent statement from FOH) and tell me that lot can successfully run a football club.You're right of course but we've got to hope they get their chance, they've been overpaying for it forever and we really need Budges replacements to be equally competent.[emoji16]

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[strummbo]

they were relegated, they say expelled.

i say excreted like a big fat constipated brown thing

they really need to wake up and smell the coffee.

yam lumps that they are

i hope they die a slow long death. they want every other club to go to the wall, aye ok, who will you play against then? they want to boycott all away games, aye crack on.

they want everyone to shed a tear for them. tears of laughter ya short memory twats.

[Crazyhorse]

Gets debated on here from time to time, been around since my youth on the basis that it was an unattractive maroon coloured thick skinned vegetable.

Some don't like the term, but we're a broad church and other vegetables are available.

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Or indeed fruits.
Plums for example.

[Since452]

Hope the SFA crucify them tomorrow. There's still swathes of them on Twitter wanting clubs to go bust etc. No punishment would be good enough for those mutants

[Spike Mandela]

Hope the SFA crucify them tomorrow. There's still swathes of them on Twitter wanting clubs to go bust etc. No punishment would be good enough for those mutants

Don’t hold your breath.

[calumhibee1]

Is it definitely tomorrow the punishment will be given?

[HoboHarry]

Is it definitely tomorrow the punishment will be given?
I'd be surprised to be honest. They can't make it look like the punishment was pre-determined behind closed doors so I would expect a hearing tomorrow and a judgement next week.

[Hibs Class]

I'd be surprised to be honest. They can't make it look like the punishment was pre-determined behind closed doors so I would expect a hearing tomorrow and a judgement next week.

Next week could be an expensive one for them then, I’ve a feeling that may also be when the arbitration panel gives its ruling on costs.

[Ozyhibby]

Next week could be an expensive one for them then, I’ve a feeling that may also be when the arbitration panel gives its ruling on costs.

Their submissions should be in by now. Usually the panel give a verdict that day.


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[HoboHarry]

Their submissions should be in by now. Usually the panel give a verdict that day.


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Hopefully it's not going to be a damp squib whenever it is.......

[lord bunberry]

He said ND was terrible at his job and should go. Barry Glendinning agreed with him despite admitting he knew nothing about the whole affair. Really shameful character assassination with a total lack of evidence, except for this starting the season without a sponsor thing. Ewen Murray calling out someone else for being crap at their job is of course deeply ironic.
I’ve noticed they’ve all switched to this lack of a sponsor line now, is it any surprise we don’t have a sponsor! Hearts, Partick, the BBC, idiots like Murray and Tom English have dragged the game through the mud with their unfounded allegations and criticism of the SPFL. They spout their nonsense and shout about incompetence and corruption, sponsors will run a mile after hearing that nonsense.

[Tommy75]

I’m just listening to the Guardians football podcast, who never normally give much time to Scotland. They’ve rolled out Worst Sports Journalist Ever Ewan Murray, who spent the interview staging a personal attack on Neil Doncaster and saying nothing about Hearts, Budge or the real reasons the bitterness and general shambles has taken place. It’s no wonder folk down south don’t have any sort of accurate knowledge of Scottish football when you have journalists with transparent fake agendas like that. We’re so badly served by our sports journalism.

100% agree with your last sentence. Scottish people moan about the English media but at least they take some pride in their game and big the game up.

[jacomo]

I’ve noticed they’ve all switched to this lack of a sponsor line now, is it any surprise we don’t have a sponsor! Hearts, Partick, the BBC, idiots like Murray and Tom English have dragged the game through the mud with their unfounded allegations and criticism of the SPFL. They spout their nonsense and shout about incompetence and corruption, sponsors will run a mile after hearing that nonsense.


:agree:

Could well be that the sponsor got cold feet after seeing the behaviour of Sevco and Hearts.

[007]

I’ve noticed they’ve all switched to this lack of a sponsor line now, is it any surprise we don’t have a sponsor! Hearts, Partick, the BBC, idiots like Murray and Tom English have dragged the game through the mud with their unfounded allegations and criticism of the SPFL. They spout their nonsense and shout about incompetence and corruption, sponsors will run a mile after hearing that nonsense.

After losing comprehensively at the Court of Sessions and Arbitration it is all they've got left to criticise the SPFL board about, which as you point out has been severely hindered by those doing the ceiticising dragging the game through the mud. Just another example of their pathetic behaviour.

We can expect more squealing from them shortly. 1st when they get hit with the arbitration legal costs and then when they get the SFA punishment.

[Waxy]

Is tomorrow the day they get an SFA fine or get demoted to the East of Scotland league?

[WhileTheChief..]

Have they stopped squealing yet?

[Since452]

:agree:

Could well be that the sponsor got cold feet after seeing the behaviour of Sevco and Hearts.

I think the sponsor got cold feet when the 3rd biggest club in world football were expelled

[Billy Whizz]

Is tomorrow the day they get an SFA fine or get demoted to the East of Scotland league?

They can’t get demoted unfortunately

[Mikey]

Is tomorrow the day they get an SFA fine or get demoted to the East of Scotland league?

It would be hilarious if they got an immediate fine along with a 30 point suspended punishment in the morning, Budge fires off a nippy statement at lunchtime and the 30 points is deducted in the afternoon :greengrin

[CentreLine]

:agree:

Could well be that the sponsor got cold feet after seeing the behaviour of Sevco and Hearts.

The sponsorship thing was well covered in the Sportsound
interview by Neil Doncaster on Saturday. It is still available on the podcast. Basically he said there was a verbal agreement with a league sponsor just days before COVID-19 changed everything. The company concerned, like so many others, is no longer in a position to provide sponsorship. He made no suggestion that the current upheaval was a factor. However, I thought it quite funny that he made a big thing of “even now some people still believe we could have finished the season”. I can’t help but feel that was directed at Tom English, who was on the program but did not utter a word on the subject.

[RyeSloan]

It would be hilarious if they got an immediate fine along with a 30 point suspended punishment in the morning, Budge fires off a nippy statement at lunchtime and the 30 points is deducted in the afternoon :greengrin

Nice scenario but they can’t deduct points as it’s the SFA not the league.

Whatever it is though we can look forward to another Budge classic statement though...probably more non ranting rants and no comment comment.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Given the number of players they seem to be unloading I would be happy with an 18 month signing ban. Let them get out of the Championship with what they have (left).

[Springbank]

Given the sanctions the SFA will have at their disposal it would not surprise me if the 2 following things happen:

1) Hearts are issued with a warning that they cannot go to the law courts with a sporting matter (as per the membership rules), that FIFA take a dim view on that kind of behaviour, and the SFA hits Hearts with a suspended sentence - that Hearts will be immediately expelled from the Scottish Cup if they were to take any matter to court in the next 5 years (without exhausting the sporting arbitration processes first)

2) I would expect to see all the usual suspects on Hearts' message boards shortly after saying "take them to court Ann", and "FTSFA", and "was going to boycott anyway" etc


If the BBC wanted to, they could make this Hearts documentary a remake of Lord of the Flies, except set in a half finished 70s office block in Slough.

[Since452]

I think it'll be more severe than a suspended punishment. I think they'll get a substantial fine. Hearts tried to throw the whole of Scottish football into disarray by deliberately going to court while knowing the rules.

[Moulin Yarns]

Here's a question, will Hearts be dealt with as a Premiership club or a Championship club? same geos for Thistle, Championship or leage 1 club?

The sanctions available are different depending on the league you are in. For Partick it is the same sanctions, but for hearts there's a difference.

For hearts it could be anything from £1000 up to expulsion

Maximum sanctions for a Premiership club


£5,000,000 and/or ejection from the Scottish
Cup and/or exclusion from the Scottish Cup
and/or any player registration restrictions
and/or suspension and/or termination of
membership and/or any sanction or disposal
not expressly provided above, provided that
such other sanctions are sanctions listed in
respect of other Rules or at Paragraph 11.5
of this Protocol.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/judicial-panel-protocol/
(https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/judicial-panel-protocol/)

Oh yes!!


Determination of Sanction
11.4 Where the Tribunal has discretion in its Determination of the sanction(s) to be imposed
in respect of a breach of the Disciplinary Rules, the Tribunal should generally proceed
to Determine the sanction to be imposed by:
11.4.1 Considering whether the breach was committed either (i) intentionally,
with deliberate action; and/ or (ii) recklessly, where the Party’s actions were not
intentional; and/or (iii) carelessly, where the risk of committing an act of breach
was or should have been apparent.
11.4.2 Considering all issues directly relating to the incident, including:
11.4.2.1 The nature of the actions and the manner in which
the breach occurred;
11.4.2.2 The existence of provocation and whether the Party acted in retaliation
and/or self-defence;
11.4.2.3 The effect of the Party’s actions on the victim of the breach, including
any injury caused;
11.4.2.4 The vulnerability of the victim of the breach;
11.4.2.5 The effect of the Party’s actions on the game, including whether it
changed the nature of a match;
11.4.2.6 The level of premeditation;
11.4.2.7 Whether the breach was completed, or whether it amounted
to an attempt; and/or
11.4.2.8 Any other on-field (where appropriate) or general issue relevant
to the breach.
11.4.3 Weighing up the factors set out in Paragraphs 11.4.1 and 11.4.2 to Decide
the gravity of the incident and whether the gravity of the incident is such that
the appropriate sanction for the breach of the Disciplinary Rule falls within
the Lower–End, Mid-Range or Top End parts of the Scale of Sanctions range,
or whether it merits the Maximum sanction.
11.4.4 Considering any aggravating factors they Decide are established including:
11.4.4.1 Absence or lack of remorse and/or contrition on the part of the Party;
11.4.4.2 Where the Party in Breach has breached any Disciplinary Rule,
including where a censure has been awarded, within the Season
in which the breach occurred and the two immediately preceding
Seasons, then the Tribunal may increase the sanction for the breach,
having regard to the number of previous breaches of any Disciplinary
Rule within that period;
11.4.4.3 Prolongation of the incident;
11.4.4.4 The continued use of offensive, abusive and insulting language
and/or behaviour;
11.4.4.5 Calling a match official a cheat and/or calling a match official’s integrity
into question;
11.4.4.6 Failure to comply with a match official’s requests;
11.4.4.7 The adoption of aggressive behaviour towards a match official;
11.4.4.8 The need for a deterrent to combat the particular pattern of offending;
11.4.4.9 Whether the incident is sectarian, racist, sexual or otherwise
discriminatory in nature;
11.4.4.10 Whether the incident involved any element of physical violence;
11.4.4.11 Whether a single incident (insofar as such incident is not referred
as separate Breaches) comprises a breach of more than one
Disciplinary Rule;
11.4.4.12 The Party’s Conduct during proceedings, including at the hearing.
For the avoidance of doubt, examples of instances where the Party’s
Conduct may be considered an aggravating factor may include
(but not be limited to) instances where the Party:
I. is un-cooperative with any Direction by the Compliance Officer,
the Tribunal, and/or the Scottish FA;
II. submits responses or material to the Compliance Officer,
the Tribunal, and/or the Scottish FA which the Tribunal considers,
in its absolute discretion, give rise to questions about the credibility
or reliability of such;
III. is threatening or aggressive towards the Compliance Officer,
the Tribunal and/or the Scottish FA; or
IV. behaves in some other way which the Tribunal considers
to be inappropriate.
11.4.4.13 Any other general aggravating factor considered to be relevant;
and Deciding whether any such aggravating factors cause the gravity
of the breach of the Disciplinary Rule to be increased.
11.4.5 Considering all mitigating factors they Decide are established, including:
11.4.5.1 The existence and timing of an acknowledgement of the breach
by the Party;
11.4.5.2 A good disciplinary record;
11.4.5.3 Good character;
11.4.5.4 The Party’s Conduct during proceedings, including at the hearing;
11.4.5.5 The Party’s remorse for actions; and/or
11.4.5.6 Any other general mitigating factors;
and Deciding whether any such mitigating factors cause the gravity of the breach
of the Disciplinary Rule to be decreased.
11.4.6 Considering any other factors which the Tribunal considers to be relevant
to the level of sanction;
11.4.7 Weighing up the factors set out in Paragraphs 11.4.4 ,11.4.5 and 11.4.6 to Decide
the gravity of the breach of the Disciplinary Rule. In particular, the Tribunal will
consider whether the breach now falls within the Lower–End, Mid-Range or Top
End of the Scale of Sanctions range, or whether it now merits Maximum sanction,
before finally Determining the appropriate sanction.

[mal]

Here's a question, will Hearts be dealt with as a Premiership club or a Championship club? same geos for Thistle, Championship or leage 1 club?

The sanctions available are different depending on the league you are in. For Partick it is the same sanctions, but for hearts there's a difference.

For hearts it could be anything from £1000 up to expulsion

Maximum sanctions for a Premiership club



https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/judicial-panel-protocol/


(https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/judicial-panel-protocol/)

Logically, they should be dealt with as a Championship club. They were officially relegated before they went to court.

[Moulin Yarns]

Logically, they should be dealt with as a Championship club. They were officially relegated before they went to court.

In which case the maximim fine is £1,000,000 instead of £5,000,000 but every other sanction is the same.

[Pete70]

My guess is they will get a £100k fine and maybe a transfer ban.

[hibbyfraelibby]

In which case the maximim fine is £1,000,000 instead of £5,000,000 but every other sanction is the same.

To be fair a fine would just get benifactored out of the way and prove to be no real punishment.

Personally I'd impose the player registration ban for three full windows, with the 3rd period being suspended.

That would stunt their ability to skoosh the Championship through financial doping, doesn't impose a punitive and, according to Lord Clark, potentially unlawful financial penalty and keeps them "in the game" but hamstrung.

The seeth from the glue factory neighbours would be epic.

[CapitalGreen]

To be fair a fine would just get benifactored out of the way and prove to be no real punishment.

Personally I'd impose the player registration ban for three full windows, with the 3rd period being suspended.

That would stunt their ability to skoosh the Championship through financial doping, doesn't impose a punitive and, according to Lord Clark, potentially unlawful financial penalty and keeps them "in the game" but hamstrung.

The seeth from the glue factory neighbours would be epic.

I’ve seen this said quite a lot, mostly by Jambos. Any money James Anderson has to fund an SFA fine will be less money Hearts get for improving their squad. He makes annual contributions, he’s not given them a blank cheque book.

[mal]

I’ve seen this said quite a lot, mostly by Jambos. Any money James Anderson has to fund an SFA fine will be less money Hearts get for improving their squad. He makes annual contributions, he’s not given them a blank cheque book.

I agree that a fine would still hurt Hearts. You'd also have to wonder whether any benefactor seeing his contributions squandered by idiots might not just decide to put his money where it might benefit worthwhile causes in future.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

They’ll get a £5k fine and transfer ban for 6 months or something IMO.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I’ve seen this said quite a lot, mostly by Jambos. Any money James Anderson has to fund an SFA fine will be less money Hearts get for improving their squad. He makes annual contributions, he’s not given them a blank cheque book.

Remember Anderson is only one contributor. Benny Factor jnr or Phil Anthropist or Don Hater are also in the background throwing money at them not to mention their far eastern investor Ban Ki Roller.😉

[grunt]

Will we get an announcement today?

[calumhibee1]

A transfer ban would be outstanding. That squad they’ve got would made hard work of that league.

[Sammy7nil]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/uploads/monthly_2020_08/D7DE9320-76B1-43C5-8957-BD073F1C677E.jpeg.b912fba23a90e4852802b655d67876ff .jpeg

Don’t know if the pic will work but this has the jambos seething 😁

[Kato]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/uploads/monthly_2020_08/D7DE9320-76B1-43C5-8957-BD073F1C677E.jpeg.b912fba23a90e4852802b655d67876ff .jpeg

Don’t know if the pic will work but this has the jambos seething 😁

Had a look for the first time since they were relegated/expelled/deleted/sent to coventry/sent to a leper colony. 29 Pages on boycotting away grounds with them all at each others throats. Nice.

[Peevemor]

Had a look for the first time since they were relegated/expelled/deleted/sent to coventry/sent to a leper colony. 29 Pages on boycotting away grounds with them all at each others throats. Nice.Especially when you consider that their season doesn't start for another couple of months and we've no idea when supporters will be allowed back in to watch matches.

[Bostonhibby]

Especially when you consider that their season doesn't start for another couple of months and we've no idea when supporters will be allowed back in to watch matches.I imagine Mrs doctor Budge will do a sermon from the mount telling them that as they'll only be able to watch the games on telly their boycott will mean chucking their TV's out the window.

That'll teach the SPFL not to relegate the bottom team.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Can't have the thread disappear, so,

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/item/why-hearts-partick-thistle-lost-legal-relegation-battle-from-scottish-premiership

[grunt]

Result should be posted here https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

[Moulin Yarns]

Result should be posted here https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

Here's where you will find it first


https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188814-spfl-declare-league-due-to-covid-arbitration-panel-upholds-spfl-decision/page/1799/

[theonlywayisup]

Result should be posted here https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

It's interesting that they give a 5 match ban for "No member of Team Staff shall commit Misconduct at a match". I wonder what punishment they'll give for "No member or Associated Person shall take a dispute which is referable to arbitration in terms of Article 99 to a court of law except as expressly permitted by the terms of Article 99."

Disciplinary Tribunal Update | Richard Cheyne, Assistant Manager, Huntly FC
Friday 27 March 2020
Alleged Party in Breach: Richard Cheyne, Assistant Manager, Huntly FC


Match: Buckie Thistle FC v Huntly FC
Date: Saturday 7 March 2020
Competition: Highland Football League
Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached: Disciplinary Rule 203 – No member of Team Staff shall commit Misconduct at a match.
Principal hearing date: Thursday 26 March 2020


Outcome: Suspension of 5 matches immediate

[660]

Can't have the thread disappear, so,

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/item/why-hearts-partick-thistle-lost-legal-relegation-battle-from-scottish-premiership

Can you post the article. I can’t be bothered registering

[Ryan91]

It's too long to post on here, so I've stuck in on pastebin, feel free to read it on there at the following link -

https://pastebin.com/tsciPxnk

[Brummie_Hibs]

It's too long to post on here, so I've stuck in on pastebin, feel free to read it on there at the following link -

https://pastebin.com/tsciPxnk
Is that the official Arbitration documentation?

Not have time to read it yet, but I can't imagine an official, legal document would end:

"It therefore won’t be long until the Hearts and Partick Thistle legal teams will be fighting their corner again………"

[Ryan91]

Is that the official Arbitration documentation?

Not have time to read it yet, but I can't imagine an official, legal document would end:

"It therefore won’t be long until the Hearts and Partick Thistle legal teams will be fighting their corner again………"

it's not, just some lawyer's opinion, not anything official at all, don't think the arbitration info will be available for public consumption.

[grunt]

It's interesting that they give a 5 match ban for "No member of Team Staff shall commit Misconduct at a match".
Yeah but that was Huntly FC, they always seem to come down heavy on the lower league clubs.

[MrSmith]

it's not, just some lawyer's opinion, not anything official at all, don't think the arbitration info will be available for public consumption.

appears to me like some disgruntled hearts fan wrote that pile of self serving poor me rubbish!

[Hibs90]

£2500 fine?

Disciplinary Tribunal Update | Heart of Midlothian FC
Thursday 6 August 2020
Alleged Party in Breach: Heart of Midlothian FC

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached: Disciplinary Rule 78 - No member or Associated Person shall take a dispute which is referable to arbitration in terms of Article 99 to a court of law except as expressly permitted by the terms of Article 99.

Principal hearing date: Thursday 6 August 2020

Outcome: £2500 fine

Disciplinary Tribunal Update | Partick Thistle FC
Thursday 6 August 2020
Alleged Party in Breach: Partick Thistle FC

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached: Disciplinary Rule 78 - No member or Associated Person shall take a dispute which is referable to arbitration in terms of Article 99 to a court of law except as expressly permitted by the terms of Article 99.

Principal hearing date: Thursday 6 August 2020

Outcome: £2500 fine


https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

[Billy Whizz]

£2500 fine?

Disciplinary Tribunal Update | Heart of Midlothian FC
Thursday 6 August 2020
Alleged Party in Breach: Heart of Midlothian FC

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached: Disciplinary Rule 78 - No member or Associated Person shall take a dispute which is referable to arbitration in terms of Article 99 to a court of law except as expressly permitted by the terms of Article 99.

Principal hearing date: Thursday 6 August 2020

Outcome: £2500 fine

Disciplinary Tribunal Update | Partick Thistle FC
Thursday 6 August 2020
Alleged Party in Breach: Partick Thistle FC

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached: Disciplinary Rule 78 - No member or Associated Person shall take a dispute which is referable to arbitration in terms of Article 99 to a court of law except as expressly permitted by the terms of Article 99.

Principal hearing date: Thursday 6 August 2020

Outcome: £2500 fine


https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

That’s a paltry fine, but we don’t know the costs they’ll have to pay to the other clubs

[DaveF]

Two and a half grand? Yip, that'll teach them 😂

[Gorebridge Hibb]

£2500 fine?

Disciplinary Tribunal Update | Heart of Midlothian FC
Thursday 6 August 2020
Alleged Party in Breach: Heart of Midlothian FC

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached: Disciplinary Rule 78 - No member or Associated Person shall take a dispute which is referable to arbitration in terms of Article 99 to a court of law except as expressly permitted by the terms of Article 99.

Principal hearing date: Thursday 6 August 2020

Outcome: £2500 fine

Disciplinary Tribunal Update | Partick Thistle FC
Thursday 6 August 2020
Alleged Party in Breach: Partick Thistle FC

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached: Disciplinary Rule 78 - No member or Associated Person shall take a dispute which is referable to arbitration in terms of Article 99 to a court of law except as expressly permitted by the terms of Article 99.

Principal hearing date: Thursday 6 August 2020

Outcome: £2500 fine


https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/
What a waste of time !!

[Billy Whizz]

What a waste of time !!

Not really, they lost the case, and will have to pay the costs involved

[Craig_in_Prague]

Wow

[Peevemor]

What a waste of time !!Pathetic. It does nothing to discourage other clubs from doing the same.

[Gorebridge Hibb]

Not really, they lost the case, and will have to pay the costs involved

If this happened elsewhere in Europe the punishment from the football association would have been a lot more than a paltry fine.

[Peevemor]

Not really, they lost the case, and will have to pay the costs involvedThat's a separate issue.

It's like saying somebody shouldn't be punished for drink driving because they have to pay for car repairs after having an accident when pished

[Billy Whizz]

That's a separate issue.

I know, but maybe the SFA felt an additional burden on them would be a financial burden on them
It’s over now, Hearts are down

[Spike Mandela]

As predicted. The SFA are a toothless organisation run by blazers doing deals in darkened rooms.

Their sole purpose is to safeguard the likes of Rangers and Hearts no matter what.

There is no authority or governance in Scottish football. The SFA is a laughing stock.

[Peevemor]

I know, but maybe the SFA felt an additional burden on them would be a financial burden on them
It’s over now, Hearts are downI don't think the SFA should have taken the outcome of the case into consideration.

The issue of costs hasn't even been settled yet as far as we know.

They're down on merit. The costs are their own fault.

They should be punished more severely for dragging the Scottish game through the mud.

[The 90+2]

£2,500 For taking member clubs and the league to court 😂😂😂😂.

[Since452]

£2500 fine?

Disciplinary Tribunal Update | Heart of Midlothian FC
Thursday 6 August 2020
Alleged Party in Breach: Heart of Midlothian FC

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached: Disciplinary Rule 78 - No member or Associated Person shall take a dispute which is referable to arbitration in terms of Article 99 to a court of law except as expressly permitted by the terms of Article 99.

Principal hearing date: Thursday 6 August 2020

Outcome: £2500 fine

Disciplinary Tribunal Update | Partick Thistle FC
Thursday 6 August 2020
Alleged Party in Breach: Partick Thistle FC

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached: Disciplinary Rule 78 - No member or Associated Person shall take a dispute which is referable to arbitration in terms of Article 99 to a court of law except as expressly permitted by the terms of Article 99.

Principal hearing date: Thursday 6 August 2020

Outcome: £2500 fine


https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

Poor benefactor will be skint

[Greenfly]

I would like to have seen them hammered but I guess it's an attempt at being conciliatory and starting to draw a line under it - a punishment in principle but nothing else. It's certainly no deterrent ... Petrie must go :wink:

[mjhibby]

As predicted. The SFA are a toothless organisation run by blazers doing deals in darkened rooms.

Their sole purpose is to safeguard the likes of Rangers and Hearts no matter what.

There is no authority or gowvernance in Scottish football. The SFA is a laughing stock.


Exactly. It’s not fit for purpose but not as they are bias against sevco and hertz. It’s the exact opposite as this farcical decision has shown. A suspended 25 point deduction so if they try it again then they are automatically relegated. Simples really.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yeah but that was Huntly FC, they always seem to come down heavy on the lower league clubs.

Todays verdict has certainly bucked that trend. :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

Up there with other legendary SFA/SPFL sanctions( that aren’t sanctions)..��

Rangers 10 pt penalty for entering administration meaning instead of finishing 2nd they finished 2nd.

Rangers £250K fine for non payment of £9m taxes. Not so much a sanction more of a business plan.

Rangers transfer ban that started AFTER the transfer window shut.

Rangers punishment for taking SFA to court. Making them accept their non transfer ban from above...so nothing.

Independent inquiry into SFA handling of EBT scandal......SFA say not required.

Hearts plucked from thin air 2 pt penalty from SPFL for fielding ineligible player in League cup.

If you're Brechin, East Stirling or Spartans though the big tough authorities expell you from the cup for administrative errors.

Joke organisation and Rod up to his neck in it.

[Eyrie]

I hope that's missing two zeros.

[gaz1875]

What an embarrassment by the SFA total ***** bags.

[Waxy]

Hearts always seem to get the most lenient punishments.
Deducted 1pt in the league cup for ineligible player.l when it made no difference.
Not getting liquidated and burning 26M debt for 2.5M
Fined £2500 for attempting to wreck Scottish football.
They do what they want.

[calumhibee1]

Ah well. Shows their claim that everyone is against them to be laughable.

Time to move on!

[Keith_M]

I have a feeling they just want to draw a line under it and move on.


I'm not really all that fussed, but it's not much of a deterrent for other clubs.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

I have a feeling they just want to draw a line under it and move on.


I'm not really all that fussed, but it's not much of a deterrent for other clubs.

Thats exactly what it is.

[neil7908]

I have a feeling they just want to draw a line under it and move on.


I'm not really all that fussed, but it's not much of a deterrent for other clubs.

Absolutely nothing to stop this happening again though. Currently COVID has cost us a place in the league and £150k in prize money. Its costing Hearts a lot more due to their actions but from the football authorities perspective they are only losing £2.5k.

We're the ones getting hard done by in this situation.

[speedy_gonzales]

Up there with other legendary SFA/SPFL sanctions( that aren’t sanctions)..��

Rangers 10 pt penalty for entering administration meaning instead of finishing 2nd they finished 2nd.

Rangers £250K fine for non payment of £9m taxes. Not so much a sanction more of a business plan.

Rangers transfer ban that started AFTER the transfer window shut.

Rangers punishment for taking SFA to court. Making them accept their non transfer ban from above...so nothing.

Independent inquiry into SFA handling of EBT scandal......SFA say not required.

Hearts plucked from thin air 2 pt penalty from SPFL for fielding ineligible player in League cup.

If you're Brechin, East Stirling or Spartans though the big tough authorities expell you from the cup for administrative errors.

Joke organisation and Rod up to his neck in it.

You forgot the time Craig Levein brought the game in to disrepute, questioning a referees competency after two of his own players were quite correctly sent off.
The SFA gave him a £1000 fine but he refused to pay it, the SFA doubled the fine, twice, and gave him a 4 month touchline been only for them to cave at the last minute.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/3527111.stm

[Danderhall Hibs]

The governance of the SFA really needs looked at etc etc.

[matty_f]

The governance of the SFA really needs looked at etc etc.

So much for the corruption chat, eh?

Have to say I had a wee laugh when I saw the amount, at least that's it over with now.

They've hardly walked away from everything unscathed. It's been a pretty hilarious summer, and if anything, the SFA treating them with the contempt that they've shown here just wraps it up nicely!

[jacomo]

Up there with other legendary SFA/SPFL sanctions( that aren’t sanctions)..��

Rangers 10 pt penalty for entering administration meaning instead of finishing 2nd they finished 2nd.

Rangers £250K fine for non payment of £9m taxes. Not so much a sanction more of a business plan.

Rangers transfer ban that started AFTER the transfer window shut.

Rangers punishment for taking SFA to court. Making them accept their non transfer ban from above...so nothing.

Independent inquiry into SFA handling of EBT scandal......SFA say not required.

Hearts plucked from thin air 2 pt penalty from SPFL for fielding ineligible player in League cup.

If you're Brechin, East Stirling or Spartans though the big tough authorities expell you from the cup for administrative errors.

Joke organisation and Rod up to his neck in it.


Hard to disagree. I can take a paltry fine, but a suspended sentence and / or confirmation that subsequent offences will result in a 1000 fold increase in fines seems necessary to keep these bleating jambos in check.

[Biggie]

FFS SFA stop embarrassing Scottish football....£2.5k jesus

[lucky]

The responses on here about the SFA are the same as Hearts about the SPLF. They got a fine it’s time to move on. They took the SPLF to court it’s was rightly returned to arbitration and they lost there. They also have had to pay costs for going to court and we are still waiting to hear about sat the arbitration panel.

[Caversham Green]

I have a feeling they just want to draw a line under it and move on.


I'm not really all that fussed, but it's not much of a deterrent for other clubs.

That's pretty much where I am. A hefty punishment would only increase the bad feeling in the game and the SFA really need to try to calm it all down. I do think some further suspended punishment could have been imposed though.

As for a deterrent, the outcome of the court action is probably all the deterrent that's necessary. However they try to depict it, taking their case to the Court of Session was a foolish act and ultimately an abject failure. They gained nothing but they have damaged their own credibility and wasted a lot of time and money. It's highly unlikely that any club will be stupid enough to take a matter to the CoS in the future.

Having said all that, their various statements have consistently breached the SPFL's rules by criticising the SPFL board and directors of other clubs and they really should be heavily punished for that. Sadly, that won't happen for the same reasons as this small fine.

[Rumble de Thump]

Unfortunately, such a low fine and weak punishment makes it clear that absolutely every club in Scotland can afford to disregard this particular rule. So there is now no point having the rule in place.

[Joe6-2]

Two and a half grand? Yip, that'll teach them 😂

Absolutely ridiculous and a bloody disgrace after the way they have behaved

[flash]

It's the costs that will hit them hard. Am done with all this now.

[Springbank]

The responses on here about the SFA are the same as Hearts about the SPLF. They got a fine it’s time to move on. They took the SPLF to court it’s was rightly returned to arbitration and they lost there. They also have had to pay costs for going to court and we are still waiting to hear about sat the arbitration panel.

I spend too much time on social media but one of my highlights of the summer saga was when BBC Kheredine Idessan mistakenly tagged @SFPL when breaking the news about Dundee's vote, instead of @SPFL

Suddenly the Santa Fe Public Library twitter account was being inundated with weeping jambos crying foul, gloating Celtic fans celebrating 9 in a row, bitter rangers fans banging on about asterisks and Hibees/Saint Mirren fans sharing Jon Obika's goal plus an African funeral procession.

The librarians of Santa Fe joined in the banter with good humour too :)

[Caversham Green]

Unfortunately, such a low fine and weak punishment makes it clear that absolutely every club in Scotland can afford to disregard this particular rule. So there is now no point having the rule in place.

The Court of Session refused to hear the case because the rule was in place. That has proved that the rule was effective and there would be no point in any other club taking their case beyond arbitration.

[mal]

Unfortunately, such a low fine and weak punishment makes it clear that absolutely every club in Scotland can afford to disregard this particular rule. So there is now no point having the rule in place.

They can disregard the rule and go to court ... where they will get told to bolt and be hit for legal costs which are much more than the SFA fine.

[weecounty hibby]

Time to move on I think. The tarts have made total James Hunts of themselves all summer. They have been relegated, multiple times. They have lost the court case. They have lost at arbitration. They have been told they need to pay the court costs. They have been fined by SFA for breaking the rules by going to court. The process that has been followed by hearts has been oroven to be against the rules and was thrown out if court. The court ruled that clubs CANNOT take sporting issues to them and needs to be taken the arbitration at the SFA. As much as I'd have loved to see them getting a huge fine or thrown out of the Scottish cup, I think it's probably the best thing to do.
Let's not forget, and don't let them forget, that they have been multiple losers throughout this whole process. Field of play, vote to end league, reconstruction vote, court and arbitration - lost every one of them. They are a championship club next year and that hurts them more than a fine from SFA. Get it right up them and I hope they struggle to get back up

[FilipinoHibs]

I spend too much time on social media but one of my highlights of the summer saga was when BBC Kheredine Idessan mistakenly tagged @SFPL when breaking the news about Dundee's vote, instead of @SPFL

Suddenly the Santa Fe Public Library twitter account was being inundated with weeping jambos crying foul, gloating Celtic fans celebrating 9 in a row, bitter rangers fans banging on about asterisks and Hibees/Saint Mirren fans sharing Jon Obika's goal plus an African funeral procession.

The librarians of Santa Fe joined in the banter with good humour too :)

Cracking story😁

[Pagan Hibernia]

Hearts always seem to get the most lenient punishments.
Deducted 1pt in the league cup for ineligible player.l when it made no difference.
Not getting liquidated and burning 26M debt for 2.5M
Fined £2500 for attempting to wreck Scottish football.
They do what they want.

Establishment club.

[surreyhibbie]

They seem to think, over on Sickbag, that the small fine means they were justified in their actions, and the SFA are admitting as such.

Its seen as a victory for Budgie!

[Pagan Hibernia]

They seem to think, over on Sickbag, that the small fine means they were justified in their actions, and the SFA are admitting as such.

Its seen as a victory for Budgie!

:greengrin

delusion doesn’t even begin to cover it

[Keith_M]

They seem to think, over on Sickbag, that the small fine means they were justified in their actions, and the SFA are admitting as such.

Its seen as a victory for Budgie!




Never argue with the stupid. They'll only drag you down to their level... and they'll have home advantage.

[weecounty hibby]

They seem to think, over on Sickbag, that the small fine means they were justified in their actions, and the SFA are admitting as such.

Its seen as a victory for Budgie!

Good. The more they still see her as some kind of saviour the better. She is a car crash when it comes to running a football club. Long may she continue to waste money, keep them as a bottom six club and get them relegated on a regular basis

[Caversham Green]

They seem to think, over on Sickbag, that the small fine means they were justified in their actions, and the SFA are admitting as such.

Its seen as a victory for Budgie!

We need to keep reminding them that they have gained nothing through this whole episode. They've lost a lot of goodwill and it's cost them a fair bit of money but apart from a lighter bank balance they're in exactly the same position as they would have been if they had just accepted the inevitable in the first place.

[delbert]

They seem to think, over on Sickbag, that the small fine means they were justified in their actions, and the SFA are admitting as such.

Its seen as a victory for Budgie!

Of course they do, because anything else would require a basic knowledge of politics in decision making or even some common sense !

[lord bunberry]

I spend too much time on social media but one of my highlights of the summer saga was when BBC Kheredine Idessan mistakenly tagged @SFPL when breaking the news about Dundee's vote, instead of @SPFL

Suddenly the Santa Fe Public Library twitter account was being inundated with weeping jambos crying foul, gloating Celtic fans celebrating 9 in a row, bitter rangers fans banging on about asterisks and Hibees/Saint Mirren fans sharing Jon Obika's goal plus an African funeral procession.

The librarians of Santa Fe joined in the banter with good humour too :)
The woman who runs the library was a guest on off the ball, it was quite funny.

[O'Rourke3]

I'd expect the SFA to follow up the fine with an all members letter pointing out that the rules should not be bypassed. That in this case the fines were nominal as there were clearly going to be other costs needing bourne by the "guilty". A 2500 fine for this type of breach would not be repeated.
That or a change in the tarriffs for offenses.

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[007]

The Court of Sessions ruled that Dundee United, Raith and Cove should pay half their own costs and Hearts and Partick pay the other half. Even though that might have been legally the correct decision, morally Dundee United, Raith and Cove should not have been out of pocket. The SFA should have at the very least fined Hearts and Partick the equivalent and then reimbursed Dundee United, Raith and Cove with it.

[CropleyWasGod]

The Court of Sessions ruled that Dundee United, Raith and Cove should pay half their own costs and Hearts and Partick pay the other half. Even though that might have been legally the correct decision, morally Dundee United, Raith and Cove should not have been out of pocket. The SFA should have at the very least fined Hearts and Partick the equivalent and then reimbursed Dundee United, Raith and Cove with it.
Has that been decided?

Who pays the SPFL costs?

[Northernhibee]

The Court of Sessions ruled that Dundee United, Raith and Cove should pay half their own costs and Hearts and Partick pay the other half. Even though that might have been legally the correct decision, morally Dundee United, Raith and Cove should not have been out of pocket. The SFA should have at the very least fined Hearts and Partick the equivalent and then reimbursed Dundee United, Raith and Cove with it.

Abhorrent bottle job.

[SMAXXA]

Has that been decided?

Who pays the SPFL costs?

That no the court case costs that we’re made clear at the time it’s the arbitration costs to be decided

[Biggie]

Abhorrent bottle job.

It is..absolutely pathetic. No wonder they have little or no credibility

[CropleyWasGod]

That no the court case costs that we’re made clear at the time it’s the arbitration costs to be decided

Gotcha 👍