Jambos Legal Challenge

[Garibaldis]

Have you seen the state of some of them on jokeback? They still think that reconstruction is going to happen!!!


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Look forward to seeing their team name on the fixture list 9am Monday.

[greenpaper55]

English just has to get the knife in

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53251721

[Irish_Steve]

For any. Of our neighbours looking in

Judges ruling

https://youtu.be/ffCEr327W44

:flag:

I prefer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKIzjF25sP8

[Andy74]

They seem convinced on Brokeback that they can take it back to court if they don`t get their way. One poster even said that the Judge would "make time" to hear the case - is that correct?

If arbitration could not be arranged in time or if the SPFL changed their minds, he said court time could be found. No chance of either.

[Ray_]

And I bet the idiots have already spent the 8 million compensation on something

Craig Gordon!

[Gmack7]

This documentary is going to be epic

I assume the cheats don't share any profits as they would take iver Man city on the rich list. I cant wait to watch it and i would pay for the privilege aswell

[Garibaldis]

English just has to get the knife in

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53251721

Don't see why the SPFL would be overly bothered in sharing documents.

[Keith_M]

"It is no more. It has ceased to be. It is bereft of life. It rests in peace"

... "this is an ex parrot"

[Barney McGrew]

Who will the 3 man panel consist of?

Pat Stanton, Leeann Dempster and Albert Kidd :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Don't see why the SPFL would be overly bothered in sharing documents.

Certainly not in private with a contempt of court hanging over anyone that makes them public. :wink:

[Since452]

So Hearts took it to court and lost at the first hurdle? How very Hearts

[dchibs]

He’s now greeting about expenses, ****ting himself about the costs they may incur 😂

Did he not say on Hertzsound that he would start the court funding with £500.

[Mon Dieu4]

Don't see why the SPFL would be overly bothered in sharing documents.

Especially since Deloitte have already reviewed it all

[SteveHFC]

Enjoy

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2020csoh68.pdf?sfvrsn=0

[Andy74]

Don't see why the SPFL would be overly bothered in sharing documents.

They've asked for things such as the TV deal agreements and also details what the promoted clubs had been sending their money on since knowing they were promoted. They have also asked for details of the firewall study re the Dundee vote. A lot of things that frankly don't have any bearing on the case as it is not relevant or has already been conceded.

SPFL had argued that the request was disproportionate, irrelevant and included commercially sensitive information.

In allowing the release he did say it was in the interests of time to allow the arbitration to go ahead and deal with the facts rather than arguing about documents. However, it would be under strict confidentiality etc. SPFL without pointing the finger directly did say how concerned they were that private documents had already been leaked.

Got the impression a lot of the stuff requested was more down to the damages part than the case.

[DCI Gene Hunt]

They Heartsed it :faf:

Expect a few weeks of bluster/moaning/assorted keech followed by the inevitable. Hertz/Parrick Fissul kicked oot?

[Vault Boy]

Hibs are set to announce 10k season tickets sold during a global pandemic.

Hearts get relegated out of court.

Levels.

[Irish_Steve]

Enjoy

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2020csoh68.pdf?sfvrsn=0

Damn, too may words, I though it would just say, FTH

[CapitalGreen]

Some jambos starting to realise their club isn’t as ‘establishment’ as they thought it was.

[Since452]

They were definitely celebrating way to early on Kickback. Similarities to the tattooed freak hi-fiving the Hearts fans before they lost to 9 men

[Sammy7nil]

Meanwhile over on KB

21 minutes ago, Libertarian said:
I fully expect the SPFL to push through league reconstruction within the next 48 hours after this afternoon's ruling

:doh::doh::doh::tee hee:

[Pete]

According to Rangers fans, this is all about them and is a Celtic driven conspiracy with dark forces at work.

I'm going to leave Twitter alone now.

[Irish_Steve]

Ha ha ha - some wag on Brokeback has just asked if they can nominate Leslie Deans for the arbitration panel - yes please!!!!

[Andy74]

According to Rangers fans, this is all about them and is a Celtic driven conspiracy with dark forces at work.

I'm going to leave Twitter alone now.

This is one of the other things I've found odd about all this. As if Celtic needed all this help with going on to win the league this year?!

[DCI Gene Hunt]

I dread to think of the bile filling up the Keechback servers right now.

[AltheHibby]

I'm still not happy.

Add Daffy to the thread and I will be!:greengrin

What a week. My son got a great new job, my daughter was told she has passed her degree course, now this. A nice big win on the Euromillions tonight and it's a Carlsberg week.

[DCI Gene Hunt]

This is one of the other things I've found odd about all this. As if Celtic needed all this help with going on to win the league this year?!

To them everything's a conspiracy. Most Gerz fans have associate membership of the Flat Earth Society and the Moon Landing Hoaxers.

[mjhibby]

Enjoy

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2020csoh68.pdf?sfvrsn=0

I’ve not got a spare afternoon to read it.😂

[Del Boy]

Is it possible that the SFA will now say to Hearts and Partick that if you just drop this now then we won’t suspend/ban/fine you for all this **** you’ve caused?

[Mon Dieu4]

Wish Rod wasn't ill, he'd have loved to have been involved in this, get well soon tashmaster

[CapitalGreen]

Stolen from KB:

“ We will get out of the relegation places -> They did not get out of the relegation places.

We will beat St Mirren and get out of the bottom of the league -> They did not beat St Mirren and get off bottom spot

The remaining games will be played at a later date -> The remaining games aren't to be played.

The league won't be called -> The league was called. Hearts won't be relegated -> Hearts were relegated.
Reconstruction #1 will happen -> Reconstruction #1 didn't happen

Reconstruction #2 will happen -> Reconstruction #2 didn't happen

The court will rule that the full case can go ahead -> The court didn't rule the case can go ahead.”

[Jim44]

Meanwhile over on KB

21 minutes ago, Libertarian said:
I fully expect the SPFL to push through league reconstruction within the next 48 hours after this afternoon's ruling

:doh::doh::doh::tee hee:

They seem to think Doncaster will panic about the documents being scrutinised and push through reconstruction in a day or so. :crazy:

[Brightside]

The want leslie deans on the panel... oh that would be magic. :greengrin

[leithsansiro]

Hibs are set to announce 10k season tickets sold during a global pandemic.

Hearts get relegated out of court.

Levels.

No, that can't be right. They're a super massive big big team and we're just vermin spoonburners. Are you sure you've got it the right way round.

Still, 5-1 and all that...:rolleyes:

[Heisenberg]

They seem to think Doncaster will panic about the documents being scrutinised and push through reconstruction in a day or so. :crazy:

They are really struggling now. This will be about the 5th or 6th time they’ve been adamant reconstruction will be pushed through.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I dread to think of the bile filling up the Keechback servers right now.

They are surprisingly upbeat. They think today was a massive win and they'll still win

[leithsansiro]

The want leslie deans on the panel... oh that would be magic. :greengrin

Do they actually understand how these things work? Why on earth would the SFA randomly put a clearly biased Jambo-fancying solicitor on the panel? May as well put Gary Locke and Craig Levein in there too then :top marks

[McSwanky]

Biggest ********s

:thumbsup::top marks

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Do they actually understand how these things work? Why on earth would the SFA randomly put a clearly biased Jambo-fancying solicitor on the panel? May as well put Gary Locke and Craig Levein in there too then :top marks

They get to pick one person the sofa get to pick someone then they decide together on the third person

[04Sauzee]

Do they actually understand how these things work? Why on earth would the SFA randomly put a clearly biased Jambo-fancying solicitor on the panel? May as well put Gary Locke and Craig Levein in there too then :top marks

I don't know how it works they seem to reckon they appoint someone, SPFL appoint someone and there is a 3rd random bloke appointed, not sure how that could be independent?

[hibernia_inn]

To them everything's a conspiracy. Most Gerz fans have associate membership of the Flat Earth Society and the Moon Landing Hoaxers.

Don’t Diss the Flat Earth Society don’t you know they have members around the globe!!

[mjhibby]

Im just gobsmacked how stupid the jambos are. On what possible grounds did they have a case. Not only was it a futile gesture and has alienated most other clubs but What’s annoyed me most that there is so many issues we need to be dealing with due to the virus.
1. Getting help from the govt to keep all clubs going. Hertz and particks shocking behaviour have knock on the head any chance of assistance.
2. Getting the season underway and trialling crowds in stadiums.
3. Clubs like Hamilton who have comminuty stadiums and how they will still fulfil fixtures.
You could go on and on about challenges ahead including each club working on losing 30 to 40% of their projected income but we’ve wasted so much time on a gigantic ego trip for these ********s. Makes my blood boil so it does. Can still laugh my nuts off at them though.������

[Numptie]

Keeckback seem to think you pick a random person as your arbiter. I might be wrong but either 3 panel members will be picked, as they are available, or the sides will agree the panel members - trying to pick one that they think is on their side with the most senior legal expert as the Chair. This will be from the list of panel members that was discussed during the case.

[mal]

I don't know how it works they seem to reckon they appoint someone, SPFL appoint someone and there is a 3rd random bloke appointed, not sure how that could be independent?

Cock and a Hen. 50% chance Deans will be on the panel.

[Pete]

I don't know how it works they seem to reckon they appoint someone, SPFL appoint someone and there is a 3rd random bloke appointed, not sure how that could be independent?

Just wait until they find out that this third, random bloke will be Derek Riordan.

[ancient hibee]

Presumably the SFA will pick the panel from their standby list of arbitration experts.The panel could of course find in favour of Hearts/Partick which would upset the applecart as it would be a binding decision.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Seen this on oneleagueback

32 minutes ago, Gambo said:
My take from that is he knew SPFL were at it, but on a technicality we have to go down the SFA route BUT he will be watching the SPFL/SFA like a hawk through the arbitration. If that fails he is quite happy for it to be brought back to court.


This is simply untrue. To enter arbitration there is an agreement to abide by the panels decision, the only way this will go back to the CoS is if there is a legal issue with how the panel came to their decision.

I think it is a case of clutching for straws over there. It is really funny though.

Edit just seen this

busby1985
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busby1985
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5,425 posts
Posted 49 minutes ago
The outcome neither party wanted to be honest.

Shirley this was the outcome the SPFL asked for? Its mad as a bag of frogs over there, I really should get back to work...Nah, back to oneleagueback :greengrin

[The 90+2]

They seem to think Doncaster will panic about the documents being scrutinised and push through reconstruction in a day or so. :crazy:

Yes because that would never be questioned and simply accepted by the majority of member clubs who wanted no part in any reconstruction. 😁

[BroxburnHibee]

Seen this on oneleagueback

32 minutes ago, Gambo said:
My take from that is he knew SPFL were at it, but on a technicality we have to go down the SFA route BUT he will be watching the SPFL/SFA like a hawk through the arbitration. If that fails he is quite happy for it to be brought back to court.


This is simply untrue. To enter arbitration there is an agreement to abide by the panels decision, the only way this will go back to the CoS is if there is a legal issue with how the panel came to their decision.

I think it is a case of clutching for straws over there. It is really funny though.

Yep the judge made it clear the clubs had already agreed to the SPFL and SFA articles and as such they should have went to arbitration.

The judge did say there may be a legal argument over these punishments the SFA could dish out if the panel find against Hearts and that he would be happy to listen to them again on that point.

[Scooter]

Seen this on oneleagueback

32 minutes ago, Gambo said:
My take from that is he knew SPFL were at it, but on a technicality we have to go down the SFA route BUT he will be watching the SPFL/SFA like a hawk through the arbitration. If that fails he is quite happy for it to be brought back to court.


This is simply untrue. To enter arbitration there is an agreement to abide by the panels decision, the only way this will go back to the CoS is if there is a legal issue with how the panel came to their decision.

I think it is a case of clutching for straws over there. It is really funny though.
I could be wrong but there very last paragraph on the courts document read as they will step should issues arise or should the parties change their mind.

So reads to me they will be watching

[660]

Do they have to go to arbitration or can they just give up.

[matty_f]

Keeckback seem to think you pick a random person as your arbiter. I might be wrong but either 3 panel members will be picked, as they are available, or the sides will agree the panel members - trying to pick one that they think is on their side with the most senior legal expert as the Chair. This will be from the list of panel members that was discussed during the case.
There’s an existing panel of arbiters, each side selects one from that panel, and then the selected panellists select the third.

The arbiters have to be on the existing list.

[04Sauzee]

There’s an existing panel of arbiters, each side selects one from that panel, and then the selected panellists select the third.

The arbiters have to be on the existing list.

Makes perfect sense cheers

[nonshinyfinish]

There’s an existing panel of arbiters, each side selects one from that panel, and then the selected panellists select the third.

The arbiters have to be on the existing list.

And why wouldn't a permaconfused Edinburgh conveyancer be on that list?

[matty_f]

I could be wrong but there very last paragraph on the courts document read as they will step should issues arise or should the parties change their mind.

So reads to me they will be watching

It would require both parties to agree to skip arbitration.

After arbitration, i think it can only go back to the court on the grounds of a legal issue, not if Hearts don’t like the outcome.

[ancient hibee]

Do they have to go to arbitration or can they just give up.

Why would they give up when they have a chance of winning?

[Andy74]

I could be wrong but there very last paragraph on the courts document read as they will step should issues arise or should the parties change their mind.

So reads to me they will be watching

No they won't, not in the way the Hearts fans seem to be suggesting.

The court time was only offered if the SPFL somehow changed their minds or if the arbitration panel for whatever reason could not be brought together to sit.

I know they are desperate but it is beyond me how they can continually get their take on everything so wrong.

[brog]

Seen this on oneleagueback

32 minutes ago, Gambo said:
My take from that is he knew SPFL were at it, but on a technicality we have to go down the SFA route BUT he will be watching the SPFL/SFA like a hawk through the arbitration. If that fails he is quite happy for it to be brought back to court.


This is simply untrue. To enter arbitration there is an agreement to abide by the panels decision, the only way this will go back to the CoS is if there is a legal issue with how the panel came to their decision.

I think it is a case of clutching for straws over there. It is really funny though.

Yep because Lord Clark has nothing better to do than spend his time watching, like a hawk no less, all the cases that he has passed on to another body. Their arrogance & entitlement is only matched by their monumental stupidity!!

[Pete]

How long before we get calls to publish the names and addresses of all those on the list of arbiters. In the interest of transparency, of course. 🙄

[bingo70]

There’s an existing panel of arbiters, each side selects one from that panel, and then the selected panellists select the third.

The arbiters have to be on the existing list.

But what if someone on the panel needs advice selling their house?

Surely in such a scenario Lesley Deans is their man?

[Oscar T Grouch]

Yep the judge made it clear the clubs had already agreed to the SPFL and SFA articles and as such they should have went to arbitration.

The judge did say there may be a legal argument over these punishments the SFA could dish out if the panel find against Hearts and that he would be happy to listen to them again on that point.

Cheers BH, you would assume the punishment would need to be OTT for it to be considered for CoS, maybe it was just a warning to the SFA not to hammer these guys too hard once they lose in arbitration, they will have been punished enough through that loss.

[Monts]

No they won't, not in the way the Hearts fans seem to be suggesting.

The court time was only offered if the SPFL somehow changed their minds or if the arbitration panel for whatever reason could not be brought together to sit.

I know they are desperate but it is beyond me how they can continually get their take on everything so wrong.

If hearts are able to pick a panel member, even from a set list, would it be possible for them to pick someone they know would not be available in the next couple of weeks? Say they were ill, or on holiday or something?

[Tambo]

Pleasing.

[Scooter]

No they won't, not in the way the Hearts fans seem to be suggesting.

The court time was only offered if the SPFL somehow changed their minds or if the arbitration panel for whatever reason could not be brought together to sit.

I know they are desperate but it is beyond me how they can continually get their take on everything so wrong.

Thanks for clearing that up Andy

[JimBHibees]

A little bit a fairness for a change.. delighted😊


They were definitely celebrating way to early on Kickback. Similarities to the tattooed freak hi-fiving the Hearts fans before they lost to 9 men

Hi-sixing surely :greengrin

[Sammy7nil]

And why wouldn't a permaconfused Edinburgh conveyancer be on that list?


But what if someone on the panel needs advice selling their house?

Surely in such a scenario Lesley Deans is their man?

:tee hee::tee hee::tee hee:

[JimBHibees]

They've asked for things such as the TV deal agreements and also details what the promoted clubs had been sending their money on since knowing they were promoted. They have also asked for details of the firewall study re the Dundee vote. A lot of things that frankly don't have any bearing on the case as it is not relevant or has already been conceded.

SPFL had argued that the request was disproportionate, irrelevant and included commercially sensitive information.

In allowing the release he did say it was in the interests of time to allow the arbitration to go ahead and deal with the facts rather than arguing about documents. However, it would be under strict confidentiality etc. SPFL without pointing the finger directly did say how concerned they were that private documents had already been leaked.

Got the impression a lot of the stuff requested was more down to the damages part than the case.

Was there anything new that came out about the Dundee vote in court? Boy ay my work seemed to think there was a revelation that backed Hearts case about it. Something like they were making out it had been received and read then announced it hadn't been?

[Tambo]

The*amount of individuals who have shafted our club over the last 4 months that'll NOT be welcome within a 5 mile*radius of Tynecastle.

The list is very long and each and everyone of them will be reminded what awaits them*if they ever have the balls to show their corrupt faces in Gorgie.

[Oscar T Grouch]

No they won't, not in the way the Hearts fans seem to be suggesting.

The court time was only offered if the SPFL somehow changed their minds or if the arbitration panel for whatever reason could not be brought together to sit.

I know they are desperate but it is beyond me how they can continually get their take on everything so wrong.

They all seem to think that these wonderfully damning documents the SPFL are keeping secret are going to be published somewhere too :confused: While they maybe leaked they are to be made available for the panel in confidence, but will hardly be relevant to the panels decision making, no?

Edit, sorry Andy, seen your post on the documents above.

[Tambo]

Dundee fan on there giving them some 😂😂

[dchibs]

The want leslie deans on the panel... oh that would be magic. :greengrin

Get Donald Findley on with him too. he would tie him up in knots.

[Del Boy]

Can someone explain this

from what I can gather, Hearts choose one judge, the SFA choose one and then together they choose a third one. Surely it’ll all come down to this one final judge as the other two will presumably be siding with the party who chose them?

Also, is it now just down to how much compensation Hearts can get or is there still a small chance of them getting promotion/relegation reversed?

[04Sauzee]

Dundee fan on there giving them some 😂😂

34 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
We will get out of the relegation places -> They did not get out of the relegation places.


We will beat St Mirren and get out of the bottom of the league -> They did not beat St Mirren and get off bottom spot


The remaining games will be played at a later date -> The remaining games aren't to be played.


The league won't be called -> The league was called. Hearts won't be relegated -> Hearts were relegated.

Reconstruction #1 will happen -> Reconstruction #1 didn't happen



Reconstruction #2 will happen -> Reconstruction #2 didn't happen


The court will rule that the full case can go ahead -> The court didn't rule the case can go ahead.



Any Hearts fan still arguing any point what so ever is effectively punch drunk after making so many bad predictions, all of which have failed to come to pass.

[Since452]

I wonder how long Hearts will keep amusing us. They really are a funny little club

[CropleyWasGod]

Can someone explain this

from what I can gather, Hearts choose one judge, the SFA choose one and then together they choose a third one. Surely it’ll all come down to this one final judge as the other two will presumably be siding with the party who chose them?

Also, is it now just down to how much compensation Hearts can get or is there still a small chance of them getting promotion/relegation reversed?

I wouldn't expect that at all.

[Monts]

34 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
We will get out of the relegation places -> They did not get out of the relegation places.


We will beat St Mirren and get out of the bottom of the league -> They did not beat St Mirren and get off bottom spot


The remaining games will be played at a later date -> The remaining games aren't to be played.


The league won't be called -> The league was called. Hearts won't be relegated -> Hearts were relegated.

Reconstruction #1 will happen -> Reconstruction #1 didn't happen



Reconstruction #2 will happen -> Reconstruction #2 didn't happen


The court will rule that the full case can go ahead -> The court didn't rule the case can go ahead.



Any Hearts fan still arguing any point what so ever is effectively punch drunk after making so many bad predictions, all of which have failed to come to pass.
Thats been lifted from this thread

[Irish_Steve]

Bloody hell - go to give my wife a hand setting up her new laptop for about ten mins - go back to look at Brokeback and theres 175 new replies - they work quick, i`ll give them that!

[007]

Enjoy

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2020csoh68.pdf?sfvrsn=0

That's the bit. Hearts argue it's about sporting integrity but it isn't a football dispute. 😂😂😂

"The definition of “Football Dispute” is a matter “arising out of or relating to Association Football”. I am in no doubt that issues of relegation and promotion, and consequently the compositions of the divisions of the football leagues, arise out of or at the very least are related to “Association Football”. Hearts and Partick Thistle themselves contend that the Written Resolution did not meet the requirement of competitive fairness and sporting integrity, which I view as integral aspects of football."

[Pete]

Some of them are saying that if this arbitration doesn't go their way they have the option of taking it back to court. FFS.

They are starting to really annoy me now.

[matty_f]

Some of them are saying that if this arbitration doesn't go their way they have the option of taking it back to court. FFS.

They are starting to really annoy me now.

When you remember that they’re idiots, they get less annoying and more amusing.

[The 90+2]

Some of them are saying that if this arbitration doesn't go their way they have the option of taking it back to court. FFS.

They are starting to really annoy me now.

Then back to court, lose, appeal, lose, halt the league and so on until the end of time.

[tomf]

From the beeb.

The petition from Hearts and Thistle came after SPFL clubs failed to support the league's proposal for reconstruction, which would have kept those two and League One's bottom side Stranraer up.



See the narrative? the SPFL CLUBS FAILED.

Not that those that prepared the proposals for reconstruction failed to come up with something the clubs could agree to.

Anyway, looks like the best outcome as everybody seems to have won.


I couldn't agree more, this is the science of semantics we see demonstrated daily by the EEN and Sportsound etc. Luckily some of us are capable of rational thought. Hearts failed to propose any reconstruction plan that would have gained a majority; the most obvious one being one that left the SPL intact with twelve clubs; but then that would have resolved issues for everyone but Hearts so that was never going to be proposed. They cried out that it should have been led by the SPFL yet at no point could they show that there was any appetite for reconstruction other than from themselves once they were relegated. They simply tried to rewrite history, aided and abetted by TE and Sportsound, which has relentlessly given a platform to the Hearts POV. Utterly awful reporting, biased, misleading and ill-informed. Then there was the odious Mr Deans who was allowed to spout his drivel and went unchallenged. Hearts would be better spending their time suing Sportsound, TE, the odious one and the whole Orkdom that is Kickback for being utterly deluded in promoting the idea that it was all unfair and for taking advantage of a wee wumman with diminished responsibility. I believe they will ultimately be docked points in their first season in the Championship.

[Numptie]

On the Dundee vote. "On behalf of the SPFL, as Mr Moynihan indicated yesterday, it is admitted that this vote was
received at 4.48pm on the day in question. The SPFL explain in their answers to the petition why the email containing the vote was not seen or read at that time.". SPFL couldn't deny that technically they received the vote, but as we know a NO vote doesn't count if you want to change it to a YES within 28 days, so no new revelation.

[Since90+2]

How's this Hearts privilege thing going? Ahahah. Chortle Chortle.

[lucky]

What powers do the arbitration panel have? Can they order a new vote on reconstruction? Force restructuring on SPFL? Stop relegation and promotion? Award Hearts and thistle compensation ? Reject their claims?

[tamig]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188814-spfl-declare-league-due-to-covid-go-to-arbitration/&do=findComment&comment=7971262

:faf:
Thats a hoot. There’s a fair collection of sheep and dimwits on there. I take it Libertarian is one of their sages. His pronouncement that he fully expects reconstruction to be announced as a result of today’s events has been challenged by some but has generated a lot of hope and excitement from others. From what planet do these folk come? 😂

[Col2]

I wonder how long Hearts will keep amusing us. They really are a funny little club

For me it’s been the highlight of a depressing lockdown 😂😂😂

[GreenCastle]

So when does the £8 million hit the bank account ?

[007]

They've asked for things such as the TV deal agreements and also details what the promoted clubs had been sending their money on since knowing they were promoted. They have also asked for details of the firewall study re the Dundee vote. A lot of things that frankly don't have any bearing on the case as it is not relevant or has already been conceded.

SPFL had argued that the request was disproportionate, irrelevant and included commercially sensitive information.

In allowing the release he did say it was in the interests of time to allow the arbitration to go ahead and deal with the facts rather than arguing about documents. However, it would be under strict confidentiality etc. SPFL without pointing the finger directly did say how concerned they were that private documents had already been leaked.

Got the impression a lot of the stuff requested was more down to the damages part than the case.

And I totally agree. Wouldn't be surprised if more documents get leaked particularly as one side keeps saying they want this to be public.

Can't believe they are still wanting to waste time delving into the Dundee vote situation Moynihan or Borland quoted directly from the Companies Act 2006 where it is clear a yes vote cannot be revoked but there is nothing in the act which prevents a no vote being revoked and then changed to a yes. There has been no breach of company law so anything to do with discussions between Dundee and Doncaster or to do with firewalls diverting emails to junk folders are immaterial.

Companies Act 2006
Agreeing to written resolutions

296 Procedure for signifying agreement to written resolution:
(1) A member signifies his agreement to a proposed written resolution when the company receives from him (or from someone acting on his behalf) an authenticated document—

(a) identifying the resolution to which it relates, and

(b) indicating his agreement to the resolution.

(2) The document must be sent to the company in hard copy form or in electronic form.

(3) A member’s agreement to a written resolution, once signified, may not be revoked.

(4) A written resolution is passed when the required majority of eligible members have signified their agreement to it.

297 Period for agreeing to written resolution:

(1) A proposed written resolution lapses if it is not passed before the end of—

(a) the period specified for this purpose in the company’s articles, or

(b) if none is specified, the period of 28 days beginning with the circulation date.

(2) The agreement of a member to a written resolution is ineffective if signified after the expiry of that period.

[GreenPJ]

What powers do the arbitration panel have? Can they order a new vote on reconstruction? Force restructuring on SPFL? Stop relegation and promotion? Award Hearts and thistle compensation ? Reject their claims?

I don't think the arbitration panel have any powers in terms of determining reconstruction or relegation or promotion. The first point being in the powers of the SPFL members - i.e. clubs. The relegation and promotion being in the articles of the governing body which I would expect would need some level of member agreement in the first instance but maybe someone closer could confirm.

I expect arbitration is solely going to be focused on commercial recompense, they will go through the process and identify any potential wrong doing and if they find any that will be factored into the compensation they would receive.

[HibbyAndy]

So when does the £8 million hit the bank account ?

The 21'onth Julember

[Col2]

A couple of questions from me.

1. I assume they can no longer put a legal interdict in to stop the season?

2. Is the arbitration panel limited to the amount of compensation ?

3. Has anyone asked how Saughton Jambo is 😂😂😂

[Andy74]

What powers do the arbitration panel have? Can they order a new vote on reconstruction? Force restructuring on SPFL? Stop relegation and promotion? Award Hearts and thistle compensation ? Reject their claims?

During the hearing discussion on the practicalities of the process in the time remaining the judge had suggested that the original petition and the detailed answers should be used as the basis for the arbitration.

You'd expect then that Hearts will continue to be asking for relegation and promotions to be stopped or compensation to be paid.

The panel can make awards and it can require alterations to agreements etc so in theory it could give Hearts what they are asking for.

The judge did also say that the company law questions in the case were the subject of a great deal of legal precedent and that the panel would be made up of retired judges and sheriffs. In the same way that the court case would have failed on questions of company law, so will this.

[Onion]

Some of them are saying that if this arbitration doesn't go their way they have the option of taking it back to court. FFS.

They are starting to really annoy me now.

Think that's right. The problem with their case was not taking it to Arbitration first. Think the judge also questions the legality of the £1M / expulsion clause in the SFA rules.

Hearts clearly don't think they'll get a fair hearing in Arbitration so are probably working on their legal case as we speak. Anyone know what powers the Arbitration triad have to award compensation, reverse SPFL decisions, instruct the SPFL etc. Or are they simply a referee to help the two sides come to some compromise agreement ?

Hearts - we want £8 mill
SPFL - we'll let you off with a £500k fine and 15 point deduction

[Since452]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188814-spfl-declare-league-due-to-covid-go-to-arbitration/&do=findComment&comment=7971262

:faf:

The best bit was "yeeeeeeeeeeesssssssss", then they realised 😂

[RoYO!]

There`s a certain karma in Karma boy posting this:

gashauskis9
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Appreciate the positivity, but you’re wrong again SJ.

How do posts like this get received on leagueback?

Are people still jumping to SJ's defence?

Not much worse than an in the know poster who gets folks Hope's up only to dash them, again, and again.

[Andy74]

Think that's right. The problem with their case was not taking it to Arbitration first. Think the judge also questions the legality of the £1M / expulsion clause in the SFA rules.

Hearts clearly don't think they'll get a fair hearing in Arbitration so are probably working on their legal case as we speak. Anyone know what powers the Arbitration triad have to award compensation, reverse SPFL decisions, instruct the SPFL etc. Or are they simply a referee to help the two sides come to some compromise agreement ?

Hearts - we want £8 mill
SPFL - we'll let you off with a £500k fine and 15 point deduction

After arbitration they can only refer to court for any specific error in law that they think has taken place.

[007]

They seem to think Doncaster will panic about the documents being scrutinised and push through reconstruction in a day or so. :crazy:

Glad to hear it, they've got everything wrong in the last 3-4 months so that's just another one to add to the previous 20 incorrect predictions.

[Lago]

After arbitration they can only refer to court for any specific error in law that they think has taken place.
So now I take it both Hearts & Partick must register a grievance with the SFA to move onto arbitration?

[Andy74]

The best bit was "yeeeeeeeeeeesssssssss", then they realised 😂

You'd expect to see the odd balanced post or at least one or two who have looked into what all this means and how it works - but to a man and woman they are absolutely clueless.

[EI255]

Really, just what outcome did Budge and Co HONESTLY expect?

There was only gonna be one winner.

Budge, there are no more toys left in your (very oversized) pram. Time to xxxx off and flush the big maroon jobby on yer way oot.

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[matty_f]

You'd expect to see the odd balanced post or at least one or two who have looked into what all this means and how it works - but to a man and woman they are absolutely clueless.

Sure someone said they were a lawyer specialising in company law on there that was adamant it would be heard at court. :faf:

[04Sauzee]

Nothing from Hearts and Partick yet? Are they fighting over the crayons?

[Jim44]

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[EI255]

Some of them are saying that if this arbitration doesn't go their way they have the option of taking it back to court. FFS.

They are starting to really annoy me now.It really is a massive maroon jobby, refusing to Budge.

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[EI255]

Nothing from Hearts and Partick yet? Are they fighting over the crayons?Partick. They can do one too. Their chairwoman looks like an old chav.

Maybe she and Budge can share a gin or six. Couple of auld hoormiesters.

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[Bostonhibby]

Some of them are saying that if this arbitration doesn't go their way they have the option of taking it back to court. FFS.

They are starting to really annoy me now.You've got to wonder which court they have in mind? Maybe it's the court of Saughton jambo or Deans as they're clearly never going to wake up to the reality of that information stream, which is pleasing.



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[hibeerealist]

During the hearing discussion on the practicalities of the process in the time remaining the judge had suggested that the original petition and the detailed answers should be used as the basis for the arbitration.

You'd expect then that Hearts will continue to be asking for relegation and promotions to be stopped or compensation to be paid.

The panel can make awards and it can require alterations to agreements etc so in theory it could give Hearts what they are asking for.

The judge did also say that the company law questions in the case were the subject of a great deal of legal precedent and that the panel would be made up of retired judges and sheriffs. In the same way that the court case would have failed on questions of company law, so will this.


Love your confidence on this Andy, so lets hope it is a couple of quid compo to Hertz & PT with a whopping fine and points deduction to follow!! When the Judge made reference to the potential penalties, as set out by the SPFL QC, I think tongue in cheek he was happy to look at that in the CoS should the penalty be expulsion and/or £1 million fine do you agree?

[neil7908]

New betting tip.

1) Ask a Hearts fan for their prediction on any football game

2) Put your mortgage on the opposite result

[A Hi-Bee]

It really is a massive maroon jobby, refusing to Budge.

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Is it Jobby or Jobbie, I am never sure, just for the record like, I seem to always spell it as Jobbie, still maroon/broon mind, but very smelly.

[matty_f]

Mental thing is that they never even considered that this could go against them today. They all thought it would either be a court win and promoted, or they’d get compensation.

[Irish_Steve]

Who knew Brokeback was so full of law Lords - this times it's Ethan Hunt (surely rhyming slang)

The SPFL were happy to go to arbitration but didn’t want disclosure of documents. The ruling in favour of disclosure of documents significantly weakens the SPFL hand, hence why they argued against it. What would you do if you knew you had to provide information that you really didn’t want to? And that documentation could still end up in a court of law if arbitration failed?



In my opinion the ruling to disclose documents was the judges way of saying I know that you are at it, you know that you are at it, are you prepared to let anyone else find out that you’ve been at it, just get this sorted, and I’m watching.

[RoYO!]

You've got to wonder which court they have in mind? Maybe it's the court of Saughton jambo or Deans as they're clearly never going to wake up to the reality of that information stream, which is pleasing.



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Saughton, Deans and Bodge Solicitors

[Bostonhibby]

The highlight for me has been English's early statement.

Why wouldn't this be what the SPFL wanted when it's what the rules of all their members provided, and what Budge never challenged when she was in a position to do so.

If it wasn't what the SPFL wanted presumably they could have done a deal with the toxic two before the ruling so actually the SPFL have got exactly what they wanted. Confirmation of what the membership rules allow.

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[Irish_Steve]

How do posts like this get received on leagueback?

Are people still jumping to SJ's defence?

Not much worse than an in the know poster who gets folks Hope's up only to dash them, again, and again.

SJ has the convenient excuse of saying his contact (LD) was given duff info - they do seem to lap up whatever SJ says, no matter how many times he has been proven wrong. He's vying with Kiwidug***** for being the most incorrect poster on Brokeback

[JeMeSouviens]

The highlight for me has been English's early statement.

Why wouldn't this be what the SPFL wanted when it's what the rules of all their members provided, and what Budge never challenged when she was in a position to do so.

If it wasn't what the SPFL wanted presumably they could have done a deal with the toxic two before the ruling so actually the SPFL have got exactly what they wanted. Confirmation of what the membership rules allow.

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The fact that they submitted a motion for *exactly this outcome* was presumably some kind of elaborate double bluff? :confused:

[Waxy]

Hilarious that they still cant seem to throw in the towel.
Even if they did get a place in the top league, they wouldnt have trained at all and would plummet straight down.

[Bostonhibby]

The fact that they submitted a motion for *exactly this outcome* was presumably some kind of elaborate double bluff? :confused:You'll need to ask Tom English [emoji16]

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[Greenworld]

No they won't, not in the way the Hearts fans seem to be suggesting.

The court time was only offered if the SPFL somehow changed their minds or if the arbitration panel for whatever reason could not be brought together to sit.

I know they are desperate but it is beyond me how they can continually get their take on everything so wrong.Andy

I take it that these selected for the arbitration act on behalf of the spfl / hearts partick.
Do the legal teams drop out at this this stage

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[JimBHibees]

On the Dundee vote. "On behalf of the SPFL, as Mr Moynihan indicated yesterday, it is admitted that this vote was
received at 4.48pm on the day in question. The SPFL explain in their answers to the petition why the email containing the vote was not seen or read at that time.". SPFL couldn't deny that technically they received the vote, but as we know a NO vote doesn't count if you want to change it to a YES within 28 days, so no new revelation.

Thanks that is what I thought. It was prevented by a firewall much like the Hearts vote was if I remember correctly.

[CapitalGreen]

Is it Jobby or Jobbie, I am never sure, just for the record like, I seem to always spell it as Jobbie, still maroon/broon mind, but very smelly.

I actually googled this the other day. It’s a Scots word and the correct spelling is indeed Jobbie.

[The 90+2]

SJ has the convenient excuse of saying his contact (LD) was given duff info - they do seem to lap up whatever SJ says, no matter how many times he has been proven wrong. He's vying with Kiwidug***** for being the most incorrect poster on Brokeback

Saughton Jambo is Leslie Deans.

[Since452]

Got to say I'm very disappointed they haven't released a statement yet.

[horseflesh]

Is it Jobby or Jobbie, I am never sure, just for the record like, I seem to always spell it as Jobbie, still maroon/broon mind, but very smelly.

I always differentiate between the two as such
Jobbie - “ I’m just nipping to the bogs for a wee jobbie “
Jobby - “ I’ll fix that loose slate this afternoon, it’s only a wee jobby “

[Bostonhibby]

Thanks that is what I thought. It was prevented by a firewall much like the Hearts vote was if I remember correctly.Hearts in particular were really unlucky with the firewall thing.

If only they'd had some sort of IT expert associated with their club to help them ensure they never had a problem on an issue so critical to their future.

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[Andy74]

Love your confidence on this Andy, so lets hope it is a couple of quid compo to Hertz & PT with a whopping fine and points deduction to follow!! When the Judge made reference to the potential penalties, as set out by the SPFL QC, I think tongue in cheek he was happy to look at that in the CoS should the penalty be expulsion and/or £1 million fine do you agree?

He mentioned it in the context of dismissing the case totally and that he wouldn't be comfortable doing so without a much more detailed discussion of the merits of the case. He then added that the potential scale of the penalties involved from the SFA would have to be considered more deeply as the combination of not being able to take a case to court without permission and the 'out the game' consequences might be contrary to public policy and unlawful.

I took from it, and it wasn't that clear even from now reading his statement, that if the SFA attempted to implement those consequences that the court would have to examine whether this was actually lawful.

[BroxburnHibee]

SJ has the convenient excuse of saying his contact (LD) was given duff info - they do seem to lap up whatever SJ says, no matter how many times he has been proven wrong. He's vying with Kiwidug***** for being the most incorrect poster on Brokeback

Remember Sergey on here used to wind them up about his contacts :wink::hmmm:

[Sammy7nil]

Who knew Brokeback was so full of law Lords - this times it's Ethan Hunt (surely rhyming slang)

The SPFL were happy to go to arbitration but didn’t want disclosure of documents. The ruling in favour of disclosure of documents significantly weakens the SPFL hand, hence why they argued against it. What would you do if you knew you had to provide information that you really didn’t want to? And that documentation could still end up in a court of law if arbitration failed?



In my opinion the ruling to disclose documents was the judges way of saying I know that you are at it, you know that you are at it, are you prepared to let anyone else find out that you’ve been at it, just get this sorted, and I’m watching.

Ethan hunt is a massive WOLLOPER he is a know all and puts everyone down yet he has so far got everything wrong ! I think his real first name is James.

[1 8 7 5]

Is it Jobby or Jobbie, I am never sure, just for the record like, I seem to always spell it as Jobbie, still maroon/broon mind, but very smelly.

"In my opinion yon Leslie Deans is a jobby."

"it is my opinion, thats those jambos are jobbies"


Happy to help. :greengrin

[greenginger]

Who knew Brokeback was so full of law Lords - this times it's Ethan Hunt (surely rhyming slang)

The SPFL were happy to go to arbitration but didn’t want disclosure of documents. The ruling in favour of disclosure of documents significantly weakens the SPFL hand, hence why they argued against it. What would you do if you knew you had to provide information that you really didn’t want to? And that documentation could still end up in a court of law if arbitration failed?



In my opinion the ruling to disclose documents was the judges way of saying I know that you are at it, you know that you are at it, are you prepared to let anyone else find out that you’ve been at it, just get this sorted, and I’m watching.

Any ideas what these secret documents relate to ?

What could be secret when there were numerous SPFL directors who could reveal anything damaging.

I’m sure the Rangers guy would have dropped Doncaster and co in it if there was evidence.

[Waxy]

Got to say I'm very disappointed they haven't released a statement yet.

She’s away to pc world to get a new keyboard as she’s smashed her one in a fit of rage. Statement oclock later.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I actually googled this the other day. It’s a Scots word and the correct spelling is indeed Jobbie.

Toly is also a great word

[Monts]

Does this court case mean that hearts are in fact the real docksiders?

[Pete]

Hearts in particular were really unlucky with the firewall thing.

If only they'd had some sort of IT expert associated with their club to help them ensure they never had a problem on an issue so critical to their future.

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🤣

[whereswallace?]

Is it a case of if Hearts don’t like the result of arbitration they can just go back to court?

[brog]

Who knew Brokeback was so full of law Lords - this times it's Ethan Hunt (surely rhyming slang)

The SPFL were happy to go to arbitration but didn’t want disclosure of documents. The ruling in favour of disclosure of documents significantly weakens the SPFL hand, hence why they argued against it. What would you do if you knew you had to provide information that you really didn’t want to? And that documentation could still end up in a court of law if arbitration failed?



In my opinion the ruling to disclose documents was the judges way of saying I know that you are at it, you know that you are at it, are you prepared to let anyone else find out that you’ve been at it, just get this sorted, and I’m watching.


By that logic as Hawrts were vehemently opposed to arbitration that must screw them!!

[tomf]

For the attention of TE: At what point will Hearts "take their medicine"?

It may help you to understand that medicine usually makes you better. Refusing to take it usually makes you worse and may lead to more drastic outcomes such as hospitalisation, surgery and, ultimately, in some cases, death. At what point will Hearts decide that it isn't a good idea to refuse to do the right thing and acknowledge that they were wrong not to take their medicine in the first place? They should realise that now the medicine may also perhaps include dropping points...perhaps twelve pills taken in a oner along with the spoonful of relegation they have been avoiding. They'll be all the better for it.

They might even learn some humility.

One appreciates how outraged TE would be with the tone and content of this comment. In the unlikely event that he ever reads it; How you are feeling right now is how reasonable people feel about biased reporting.

[Jim44]

Is it a case of if Hearts don’t like the result of arbitration they can just go back to court?

I don’t thinks so. Somebody back a bit said that Hearts can’t choose to go back to court just because they were unhappy with the result. It can go back to court if the arbitration process is deemed to have irregularities.

[Irish_Steve]

Oh dear, Brokeback is down again - I think this sums up their day

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[Andy74]

Is it a case of if Hearts don’t like the result of arbitration they can just go back to court?

No.

[Pete]

Now that reconstruction is pretty much dead I hope that dobber up in Inverness is having a nice time.

[Sammy7nil]

Kickback in lock down do you think the statement has arrived or are they fed up at the laughter of visitors?

[grunt]

Just wanted to say thanks to @Andy74 for his clear commentary this afternoon. Amidst all the guff on here and across the road, his posts provided insight and analysis. Thanks a lot. #PosterOfTheDay.

:not worth

[Irish_Steve]

Kickback in lock down do you think the statement has arrived or are they fed up at the laughter of visitors?

I think it`s crashed - I was in all afternoon and suddenly it`s stopped working - maybe only open to those that pay for it

[Del Boy]

Just wanted to say thanks to @Andy74 for his clear commentary this afternoon. Amidst all the guff on here and across the road, his posts provided insight and analysis. Thanks a lot. #PosterOfTheDay.

:not worth

Agreed, has explain a lot over last few days that I genuinely had no clue about. How do you see this playing out now Andy?

[wallpaperman]

Got to say I'm very disappointed they haven't released a statement yet.

It’s telling that they didn’t have a statement released within 10 minutes of the decision, like they normally do.

Budgie’s not got a clue about which way to turn now. I suspect she would like to say that they have given it a good go, but we now need to plan for the Championship, but the frothing hordes will never let her away with that.

[hibeerealist]

He mentioned it in the context of dismissing the case totally and that he wouldn't be comfortable doing so without a much more detailed discussion of the merits of the case. He then added that the potential scale of the penalties involved from the SFA would have to be considered more deeply as the combination of not being able to take a case to court without permission and the 'out the game' consequences might be contrary to public policy and unlawful.

I took from it, and it wasn't that clear even from now reading his statement, that if the SFA attempted to implement those consequences that the court would have to examine whether this was actually lawful.


Yes, he said it could be examined in court should the SFA dish out these penalties although no guarantee that a court could revoke them, I think that the SFA should test it by hitting Hertz with a fine around £250k and a points deduction of 10-15 points. They should NOT be allowed to walk away without punishment given the **** they have caused!

[hibees 7062]

https://www.facebook.com/connaire.wallace/videos/10221725792117111/?t=2

[Joe Baker2]

SFA must be considering punishment options tonight. Any thoughts?

[greenpaper55]

They think they won

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2

[007]

Yes, he said it could be examined in court should the SFA dish out these penalties although no guarantee that a court could revoke them, I think that the SFA should test it by hitting Hertz with a fine around £250k and a points deduction of 10-15 points. They should NOT be allowed to walk away without punishment given the **** they have caused!

They certainly should be made an example of to deter clubs running to the courts every time they're unhappy about a decision i.e. when Doncaster decides no promotion/relegation at the end if the coming season. 😀

[cabbageandribs1875]

Is it Jobby or Jobbie, I am never sure, just for the record like, I seem to always spell it as Jobbie, still maroon/broon mind, but very smelly.

i think it should be thus..

a jambo is a joaby
a bunch of jambos are joabies

[Joe Baker2]

They certainly should be made an example of to deter clubs running to the courts every time they're unhappy about a decision i.e. when Doncaster decides no promotion/relegation at the end if the coming season. 😀

£250k is not enough. The gunts could cough that up in an hour.

[007]

They think they won

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2

😂😂😂 The fans are daft enough to buy that s**t. They've been buying her BS all along. The longer they are strung along, the bigger the meltdown when it goes pearshaped.

[Stuart93]

They think they won

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2

****ing unreal. How do they the documents won’t back up the SPFL’s case?

They wanted their day in court, didn’t get it yet still pretend they’ve won.

[Joe Baker2]

Statement from legal, business and football expert Anne Budge please

[04Sauzee]

Remember Sergey on here used to wind them up about his contacts :wink::hmmm:

Was Sergey a Hibee or undercover Jambo? I vaguely remember him and his inside info, where is he?

[Del Boy]

They weren’t going to say otherwise or it would look like they’d conceded, but they’ll know it’s been a bad day at the office.

[grunt]

Lord Clark found in our favour in two motions while we were unsuccessful in one."We had more corners and throw-ins than they did, but they scored more goals". :greengrin

[Springbank]

Hearts claiming a 2-1 victory

They were vindicated in not going to court before now (good dog, Hearts, good dog)

They get to have a shufty at some Dundee & spfl emails (that are likely to be of no great consequence, according to deloitte)

That's the 2 in their favour...


And in other news they lost the only aspect of their petition that counted, ie it's not a court matter..

So in the real world it's more like:
Bad dog, hearts. Bad dog.

[Springbank]

"We had more corners and throw-ins than they did, but they scored more goals". :greengrin

Put it better than me, yes!

[Sammy7nil]

They think they won

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2

I wonder when the victory DVD will come out :tee hee::tee hee:

[Joe Baker2]

Jambo guy down the street just called the situation a holocaust. Gotta be hurtin! :flag:

[BroxburnHibee]

Was Sergey a Hibee or undercover Jambo? I vaguely remember him and his inside info, where is he?

No longer of this parish but I'd put my mortgage on him being on Kickback :greengrin

[Pete]

It's like that episode of the office where David Brent loses the pub quiz but afterwards he says that the real winner of the quiz is the person who can throw a shoe down the road the furthest.

[Sammy7nil]

It's like that episode of the office where David Brent loses the pub quiz but afterwards he says that the real winner of the quiz is the person who can throw a shoe down the road the furthest.

I tend to agree with Brent :greengrin

[MrSmith]

Ok so they won 2 motions.

Did they win an interdict? NO!

Did they stop all promotions and relegations? NO!

Did they get promoted? NO!

Did they get £8m in compensation? NO!

Did they get ND sacked? NO!

Did they win their much vaunted court case? Erm, let me think, err NO!

so all in all, a very successful day for them 🤦🏻*♂️

[Sammy7nil]

I assume the statement is the reason for KB lockdown the 400,000 will be banging on how Pwoud Vey Vey Pwoud they all are of Hearts and the Budgie following their 2-1 court triumph :greengrin

[SunshineOnLeith]

I'm sure I must have just missed the part of the statement where they mention having to pay half of the SPFL's expenses?

[AltheHibby]

Allisbarry saying:

"Both clubs believe details on Dundee’s controversial vote and how the SPFL handled the ballot to end the season – which ultimately relegated Hearts and Thistle – must be scrutinised through the release of emails and related papers."

I suppose when you're that lot, doing something legally is controversial. :confused:

[MagicSwirlingShip]

They think they won

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2

Why no mention of the point they lost? 😂

[Since452]

Tom English on radio saying Hearts lost the case, however, they won the release of documents... Hahahahahahahahaha. Yes Tom that's what Hearts wanted to win. Talk about clutching at straws.

[Clarence]

They think they won

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2

Budge is the new Comical Ali from the Iraq War. Place is going up in smoke and she’s claiming they are on the verge of an historic victory and things have never been better!

[Andy74]

They weren’t going to say otherwise or it would look like they’d conceded, but they’ll know it’s been a bad day at the office.

The case dismissed thing being knocked back was neither here nor there and it certainly wasn't anything to do with Hearts or the facts they had presented. The Judge just didn't think there was sufficient time to have a decent discussion about it.

For their central case to not even get past the procedural stage then it shows that they were wrong to bring it. The advice they got that it could be argued without the application of the SPFL and SFA articles was totally wrong. On every possible technical point that they argued the Judge found against them.

One classic point yesterday, and I forget the actual detail but the Hearts QC brought in a case that hadn't previously been shared with the other team to prove a minor point. Once the SPFL QC had a chance to briefly read the case highlights he found a paragraph that actually greatly harmed the Hearts point. Even funnier was the fact the Hearts QC was actually on the losing end of the case he was referencing.

Being wrong on every procedural and technical point so far should really give them a clue as to how their actual case has been put together. Some of it did briefly get aired and the SPFL QC was spot on with highlighting the same points that had been made here in the past week.

The documents thing isn't really what they think it might be - but they will find that out in due course.

[The 90+2]

Why no mention of the point they lost? 😂

Or the legal costs they have to pay to the SPFL?

[Andy74]

Allisbarry saying:

"Both clubs believe details on Dundee’s controversial vote and how the SPFL handled the ballot to end the season – which ultimately relegated Hearts and Thistle – must be scrutinised through the release of emails and related papers."

I suppose when you're that lot, doing something legally is controversial. :confused:

They want to scrutinise the aspects of the vote that the SPFL QC advised about 10 times this week that the SPFL have fully conceded. Only it doesn't make a difference.

[BroxburnHibee]

They want to scrutinise the aspects of the vote that the SPFL QC advised about 10 times this week that the SPFL have fully conceded. Only it doesn't make a difference.

Yep they clearly think there is some smoking gun in there,

[mutley]

Or the legal costs they have to pay to the SPFL?

I think quite a few of them over the road seem to miss out that part too


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[The 90+2]

Yep they clearly think there is some smoking gun in there,

More likely lip service to encourage their rejuvenated support to buy season tickets for their unlawful journey next season.

[007]

They think they won

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2

"It is important to note that this was only to determine how to proceed. "

😂😂😂 Tried to flout the SFA rules and bypass the arbitration process they signed up to. Didn't ask the SFA for permission and have now left themselves open to being expelled and fined up to £1m and Budge is trying to pass it off as just being a process they had to go through to determine how to proceed.

She keeps getting it wrong but I bet they blindly go along with what is being fed to them without question. 😂

[Brummie_Hibs]

Was Sergey a Hibee or undercover Jambo? I vaguely remember him and his inside info, where is he?
I know who he is/was, and he is a bona-fide Hibee.

[Iggy Pope]

Remember Sergey on here used to wind them up about his contacts :wink::hmmm:

He had plenty on here on the end of his bollox rod too as I recall and it probably raised a lot of tenners.

[Tug Wilson]

You'd expect to see the odd balanced post or at least one or two who have looked into what all this means and how it works - but to a man and woman they are absolutely clueless.

That's the problem in a cult, no dissent and no voices of reasons allowed.

I have read the judge's summation and it seems spot on. No arguments here.

Know even less about arbitration than court procedure. However, cannot see that the release of documents is much of an issue unless there is a smoking gun amongst them.

[Kojock]

Budgie is playing the puggy for hours on end pumping pound after pound into it believing she will eventually win the jackpot. Unfortunately when she’s at the bar getting more pound coins Doncaster nips in and with his first pound, empties the machine then walks away with a smug look on his pus 😂

[RoYO!]

With every nonsensical statement that comes out the sfa are hopefully becoming more and more peed off. Hammer them please.

[mjhibby]

It’s like the scene from monty python when the black knight has both his arms chopped off and calls it a mere flesh wound. Just farcical how blinkered and brainwashed they are.

[007]

Or the legal costs they have to pay to the SPFL?

Exactly. They're claiming victory but are having to pay half of the SPFL's costs. 😂😂

[007]

Budgie is playing the puggy for hours on end pumping pound after pound into it believing she will eventually win the jackpot. Unfortunately when she’s at the bar getting more pound coins Doncaster nips in and with his first pound, empties the machine then walks away with a smug look on his pus 😂

And does a s**te in her handbag on the way past.

[FilipinoHibs]

Saughton Jambo is Leslie Deans.
No it is somebody else. His name was revealed on another thread but the posts were deleted by admin for legal reasons.

[JimBHibees]

Hearts in particular were really unlucky with the firewall thing.

If only they'd had some sort of IT expert associated with their club to help them ensure they never had a problem on an issue so critical to their future.

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:greengrin

[Tug Wilson]

They think they won

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2

Was that statement written by Cathro?

[neil7908]

That's the problem in a cult, no dissent and no voices of reasons allowed.

I have read the judge's summation and it seems spot on. No arguments here.

Know even less about arbitration than court procedure. However, cannot see that the release of documents is much of an issue unless there is a smoking gun amongst them.

The SPFL will have known for a long time that this could/would likely end up in the courts. If there was a smoking gun I'd expect them to have done everything in their power to prevent this process happening and damaging their reputation.

[FilipinoHibs]

Was Sergey a Hibee or undercover Jambo? I vaguely remember him and his inside info, where is he?

A hibbee. He is undercover on KickBack and does some good wind ups.

[LancsHibs]

They are like a fish pulled out of water floundering and thrashing around on land gasping for air before finally giving up the ghost. Which way will they flip next in this embarrassing ordeal? For gods sake Hearts have some dignity and accept your relegation, you were terrible all season, the worst team and bottom of the league! Yes there was a possibility of you saving yourselves if the season had plaid out as normal and there wasn’t a worldwide killer pandemic but I doubt it. The decision was made you went down, deal with it. Maybe they should be putting their efforts and focus into getting promoted ?? Give up you throbbers you are embarrassing yourselves and Scottish football

[Since452]

Sorry if already mentioned but does Hearts having to pay 50% of the SPFL's legal costs mean that Partick have to pay the other 50%?

[Bostonhibby]

Was that statement written by Cathro?Yep, if you remove the outcome and the costs order it's another famous victory for the famous.

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[Bostonhibby]

A hibbee. He is undercover on KickBack and does some good wind ups.Definitely a Hibby.

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[007]

Sorry if already mentioned but does Hearts having to pay 50% of the SPFL's legal costs mean that Partick have to pay the other 50%?

No. Between them they pay 50% and the SPFL pay the other 50%.

[McD]

"We had more corners and throw-ins than they did, but they scored more goals". :greengrin


exactly the analogy that’s been in my head :greengrin

[Since452]

No. Between them they pay 50% and the SPFL pay the other 50%.

Cheers

[Jim44]

I know who he is/was, and he is a bona-fide Hibee.


He had plenty on here on the end of his bollox rod too as I recall and it probably raised a lot of tenners.

He was good entertainment value, with his tongue bursting through his cheek on numerous occasions. One of few on here who really got under the skin of thick Jambos. I think he still posts on here occasionally.

[Tug Wilson]

Sorry if already mentioned but does Hearts having to pay 50% of the SPFL's legal costs mean that Partick have to pay the other 50%?

Hearts and Thistle pick up 50% of the SPFL's expenses of this By Order Hearing. SPFL liable for the other 50%.

However, this is only in respect of this hearing. Any further court appearances and the other expenses incurred will be adjudicated on later in the process.

If arbitration settles the matter then there will be a simple motion lodged to lift the sist and dismiss the case. Liability for expenses will either be decided at that point or at a further expenses hearing.

[Hibs90]

The SPFL will have known for a long time that this could/would likely end up in the courts. If there was a smoking gun I'd expect them to have done everything in their power to prevent this process happening and damaging their reputation.

I reckon the SPFL are one step ahead of them here and have been the whole time.

[HibeesLittleHel]

Budgie is playing the puggy for hours on end pumping pound after pound into it believing she will eventually win the jackpot. Unfortunately when she’s at the bar getting more pound coins Doncaster nips in and with his first pound, empties the machine then walks away with a smug look on his pus 😂

Aye we all know a few of them 😬

[truehibernian]

Budgie is playing the puggy for hours on end pumping pound after pound into it believing she will eventually win the jackpot. Unfortunately when she’s at the bar getting more pound coins Doncaster nips in and with his first pound, empties the machine then walks away with a smug look on his pus 😂

Don't forget Ron's face when he got £50,000 of free bribe, I mean 'for the benefit of Scottish football' money from Benny Factor without the need of holding any of the bells :greengrin

[Jim44]

These muppets are unreal. They’re still talking about reconstruction still on the cards, back to court when arbitration doesn’t work ( ie. they don’t like the outcome )...... what planet are they on? Amid all the crud I found one sensible post ..... he must be a spoon burner :greengrin

Have said all along we won’t get relegation annulled
We are just wasting time and money pursuing this
Get as strong a team as possible and come straight back up that’s what we should be concentrating on
Whatever the rights or wrongs it was never going to happen so we are actually hurting ourselves more than we are hurting the SFL
I just want us to concentrate on football now and not waste any more money on a lost cause

[hibstag]

Hearts claiming a 2-1 victory

They were vindicated in not going to court before now (good dog, Hearts, good dog)

They get to have a shufty at some Dundee & spfl emails (that are likely to be of no great consequence, according to deloitte)

That's the 2 in their favour...


And in other news they lost the only aspect of their petition that counted, ie it's not a court matter..

So in the real world it's more like:
Bad dog, hearts. Bad dog.

Itl think they are claming tbe failure of Dundee United, Cove and RR petitions to get the case dismissed as a victory. Despite calling them into this in the first place ie its a counter claim against them and not something that was they were seeking to do originally. Its been a bad day down Gorgie, they also caused these clubs an unwarrated expense as their fight for justice was with the SPFL

[truehibernian]

Itl think they are claming tbe failure of Dundee United, Cove and RR petitions to get the case dismissed as a victory. Despite calling them into this in the first place ie its a counter claim against them and not something that was they were seeking to do originally. Its been a bad day down Gorgie, they also caused these clubs an unwarrated expense as their fight for justice was with the SPFL

And yet another belter of a statement from Comical Annie, claiming a victory in the midst of a loss :agree:

[matty_f]

People talking about Sergey in the past tense is he okay but just not posting anymore?

Yeah. :agree:

[Iggy Pope]

He was good entertainment value, with his tongue bursting through his cheek on numerous occasions. One of few on here who really got under the skin of thick Jambos. I think he still posts on here occasionally.

He had the same people on here, people that are ****ting themselves just now about Hearts squeaking out of this, creaming themselves about Hearts certain extinction. A galoot.
I know maybe about 5 proper Hearts fans well. They all adore him because he is a Hibby.

[Sammy7nil]

Yeah. :agree:

Thanks, that is a shame I always thought he seemed a decent poster.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Can mind one Jamblino on the Computing course that I was on failing to get his code to even effing RUN (compile) and he claimed he should get an A because “I’ve got it working on paper” - imagine saying that to your employer.

Definitely a different breed. Different rules apply. Unbelievable.

[Irish_Steve]

I think they are hurting. Pleasing!


My son is eight years old. Tonight he watched Manchester City thrash Liverpool. He knew all the line ups for both teams. He knew when to shout at VAR*. A month ago, he barely knew that either existed. He was, and still is, Hearts daft. But something has changed.

When the SPFL decided to put a gun to the heads of its constituent clubs (aka shareholders - who knew?) by offering money in return for ensuring Celtic were handed their nobody-else-really-cares-in-a-row title, Scottish football changed. Sure, underneath it all things have been pretty skewed for a long time. But now it was out in the open. The big fish were to get their big feed, and access to the Champions League, while the small fry would, you thought, be content with whatever scraps were thrown their way.

My son was still on a high from watching Hearts win the last derby 3-1. We watched the goals daily. Sure, his optimism had taken a hit when we lost to St Mirren*, but we still had 24 points to play for. And despite a jaded father who has seen his team stuff things up more times than he cares to remember, for an eight year old boy, his team will always have a chance. But no, that chance was taken away from him. Similarly, it was taken away from the fans of Partick, Inverness, Dundee (ironically enough), Falkirk and Stranraer. The wee bit of magic that football gives us, by being eleven-v-eleven and on any given Saturday, etc. Your dedication to one team's needs ran roughshod over the thing that all football fans should always have: hopes and dreams for their team.

After the corrupt 'vote' you orchestrated at Easter, I tried to explain the situation to my son. Now, before you get the wrong impression, he's no saint. He cheats. Snakes and ladders, Mario Kart, water gun fights - he makes no bones about trying to defeat his younger brother and myself. He can be sleekit or he can be outrageously shameless. But when I tried to explain that the football team, the only football team he has ever cared about (and bear in mind this kid lived in Catalonia and yet doesn't give a stuff for Barcelona) were to be expelled from the top division for no apparent reason other than the administrator's desire to ensure Celtic could be handed a title that was already in the bag anyway, even he looked at me askance and said, "But that's not fair."

Sure, I tried to break down the PPG 'rule' which was invented to justify the decision. I told him how important money was. He actually gets this. He saves his pocket money to buy sale items in the Hearts shop. But still he wasn't convinced. I asked him to see it from the other clubs' point of view. He asked why they didn't like Hearts. I couldn't give him an answer. Even one of your little lickspittle lackeys, Les Gray, declared that what is going on is 'unfair'. At least admit it, Neil. Tell us that you know demoting a team four points from safety with twenty-four to play for is unfair. Ask Werder Bremen fans what they think about making up point differences.

Then, in the middle of lockdown, the Germans showed the way by playing football again (we'll skip Belarus, although I'm sure they could show you a few tricks in propaganda given their leader's Soviet-era cling-to-power-at-all-costs mentality). Then English football, which some of his friends talk about despite being Edinburgh born and bred, rave about. Until June, you see, my son had been taught to follow his local team and only his local team. He was obsessed with the Foundation of Hearts kit printed with the names of the thousands of fans that had helped keep our team alive. He loved hunting for my name. I was on minimum wage in Spain when I started paying into that fund. He loves this fact - that the people around him at Tynecastle, no matter their circumstances, had some kind of collective spirit to keep something we love alive. Please, tell us how much money you've taken out of Scottish football. Can you equate that with the value you've put in? Nobody even wants to sponsor your sham of a league.

But he still couldn't get it into his head why his team had been removed from the top league.

Now, you could call me irresponsible, but my son loves football so much (we've been out most days during lockdown playing in the Meadows) that I allowed him to stay up late to watch football from Germany, England and Spain. He asks the same question most nights, though. "Why can Hearts and the other teams not play now?" Now, I'm not going to hold you to account for the Scottish Government's decisions around contact sports and when it's safe for these to go ahead. But the bit that I do find hard to explain - perhaps you could, Neil - is why our season had to be 'called' when others are able to resume at a later date? Was there someone in your ear? Were you under pressure to twist some arms? I mean, was this an equitable solution for anyone?

My son's now watching the English Premier League every night, begging me to stay up late so he can see live football from just a few hundred miles away. He's no longer saying to his friends that they should support Hearts because you ought to support your local team. He's getting swept up in the hype and marketing that the EPL does so well. Last night I asked him if he was looking forward to seeing Hearts play again, no matter what league they play in. To be honest, he wasn't as bothered as he was a couple of months ago. He doesn't pretend to be Sean Clare or Steven Naismith now when we play. He's Mo Salah or Kevin de Bruyne or Leo Messi. He sees them playing their games on the pitch, not in secretive votes and skullduggery. He also sees VAR decisions making sure that things are reasonably fair. He cares more about that word now than he did before. He's started playing more fairly with his brother. He doesn't want to be 'unfair, like what they did to Hearts'. You've had quite the impact, even unintentionally.

You see, Neil, an eight year old can see right through you and whoever else helped you ram through your plan back in April. You've given another kid less reason to watch Scottish football and thrown them into the embrace of the mega-leagues and their marketable 'product'. You've been found out by a kid that still talks about the last cup final as thought it was one of the most important days of his short life even though his heroes lost it. Think how many other eight year olds in this country there are who don't understand why their team is going to come out of covid-19 far more disadvantaged than the other teams. Think about that for a second. Sure, I knew the ball was burst a long time ago - and it wasn't your fault at all. But what happened in April, and the nonsense which has followed it, well, that's on you.

Whatever went on in April when you pressured clubs (and I haven't even really mentioned the pathetically transparent and surprisingly successful attempt at coercion with that Nelms chancer at Dundee) to 'call' the season before the teams had a chance discover that things 'even themselves out' and find their true position in the league over a 38-game season as we were promised at the outset, just at least tell us that you haven't played it fair. We know it. My son knows it. Telling us anything else from here on is just lying.

*Not that I'm blaming you for this, but if VAR had existed in the SPFL, the St Mirren goal should have been ruled out for offside, meaning it would have been St Mirren you'd have been shafting and some pissed off guy from Paisley typing this.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Jambos going on about 2-1 is a hoot. They won two throw in and the SPFL scored a penalty.😉

[Real Emerald]

And yet another belter of a statement from Comical Annie, claiming a victory in the midst of a loss :agree:

What loss, they won 2-1! They got documents and stopped the Dundee Utd cheats from throwing their case out. Outstanding victory, Vlad will be doing a sail under and and Comical Annie will be mixing the make up vats as we speak, water proof for various reasons😳. 👍

[matty_f]

I think they are hurting. Pleasing!


My son is eight years old. Tonight he watched Manchester City thrash Liverpool. He knew all the line ups for both teams. He knew when to shout at VAR*. A month ago, he barely knew that either existed. He was, and still is, Hearts daft. But something has changed.

When the SPFL decided to put a gun to the heads of its constituent clubs (aka shareholders - who knew?) by offering money in return for ensuring Celtic were handed their nobody-else-really-cares-in-a-row title, Scottish football changed. Sure, underneath it all things have been pretty skewed for a long time. But now it was out in the open. The big fish were to get their big feed, and access to the Champions League, while the small fry would, you thought, be content with whatever scraps were thrown their way.

My son was still on a high from watching Hearts win the last derby 3-1. We watched the goals daily. Sure, his optimism had taken a hit when we lost to St Mirren*, but we still had 24 points to play for. And despite a jaded father who has seen his team stuff things up more times than he cares to remember, for an eight year old boy, his team will always have a chance. But no, that chance was taken away from him. Similarly, it was taken away from the fans of Partick, Inverness, Dundee (ironically enough), Falkirk and Stranraer. The wee bit of magic that football gives us, by being eleven-v-eleven and on any given Saturday, etc. Your dedication to one team's needs ran roughshod over the thing that all football fans should always have: hopes and dreams for their team.

After the corrupt 'vote' you orchestrated at Easter, I tried to explain the situation to my son. Now, before you get the wrong impression, he's no saint. He cheats. Snakes and ladders, Mario Kart, water gun fights - he makes no bones about trying to defeat his younger brother and myself. He can be sleekit or he can be outrageously shameless. But when I tried to explain that the football team, the only football team he has ever cared about (and bear in mind this kid lived in Catalonia and yet doesn't give a stuff for Barcelona) were to be expelled from the top division for no apparent reason other than the administrator's desire to ensure Celtic could be handed a title that was already in the bag anyway, even he looked at me askance and said, "But that's not fair."

Sure, I tried to break down the PPG 'rule' which was invented to justify the decision. I told him how important money was. He actually gets this. He saves his pocket money to buy sale items in the Hearts shop. But still he wasn't convinced. I asked him to see it from the other clubs' point of view. He asked why they didn't like Hearts. I couldn't give him an answer. Even one of your little lickspittle lackeys, Les Gray, declared that what is going on is 'unfair'. At least admit it, Neil. Tell us that you know demoting a team four points from safety with twenty-four to play for is unfair. Ask Werder Bremen fans what they think about making up point differences.

Then, in the middle of lockdown, the Germans showed the way by playing football again (we'll skip Belarus, although I'm sure they could show you a few tricks in propaganda given their leader's Soviet-era cling-to-power-at-all-costs mentality). Then English football, which some of his friends talk about despite being Edinburgh born and bred, rave about. Until June, you see, my son had been taught to follow his local team and only his local team. He was obsessed with the Foundation of Hearts kit printed with the names of the thousands of fans that had helped keep our team alive. He loved hunting for my name. I was on minimum wage in Spain when I started paying into that fund. He loves this fact - that the people around him at Tynecastle, no matter their circumstances, had some kind of collective spirit to keep something we love alive. Please, tell us how much money you've taken out of Scottish football. Can you equate that with the value you've put in? Nobody even wants to sponsor your sham of a league.

But he still couldn't get it into his head why his team had been removed from the top league.

Now, you could call me irresponsible, but my son loves football so much (we've been out most days during lockdown playing in the Meadows) that I allowed him to stay up late to watch football from Germany, England and Spain. He asks the same question most nights, though. "Why can Hearts and the other teams not play now?" Now, I'm not going to hold you to account for the Scottish Government's decisions around contact sports and when it's safe for these to go ahead. But the bit that I do find hard to explain - perhaps you could, Neil - is why our season had to be 'called' when others are able to resume at a later date? Was there someone in your ear? Were you under pressure to twist some arms? I mean, was this an equitable solution for anyone?

My son's now watching the English Premier League every night, begging me to stay up late so he can see live football from just a few hundred miles away. He's no longer saying to his friends that they should support Hearts because you ought to support your local team. He's getting swept up in the hype and marketing that the EPL does so well. Last night I asked him if he was looking forward to seeing Hearts play again, no matter what league they play in. To be honest, he wasn't as bothered as he was a couple of months ago. He doesn't pretend to be Sean Clare or Steven Naismith now when we play. He's Mo Salah or Kevin de Bruyne or Leo Messi. He sees them playing their games on the pitch, not in secretive votes and skullduggery. He also sees VAR decisions making sure that things are reasonably fair. He cares more about that word now than he did before. He's started playing more fairly with his brother. He doesn't want to be 'unfair, like what they did to Hearts'. You've had quite the impact, even unintentionally.

You see, Neil, an eight year old can see right through you and whoever else helped you ram through your plan back in April. You've given another kid less reason to watch Scottish football and thrown them into the embrace of the mega-leagues and their marketable 'product'. You've been found out by a kid that still talks about the last cup final as thought it was one of the most important days of his short life even though his heroes lost it. Think how many other eight year olds in this country there are who don't understand why their team is going to come out of covid-19 far more disadvantaged than the other teams. Think about that for a second. Sure, I knew the ball was burst a long time ago - and it wasn't your fault at all. But what happened in April, and the nonsense which has followed it, well, that's on you.

Whatever went on in April when you pressured clubs (and I haven't even really mentioned the pathetically transparent and surprisingly successful attempt at coercion with that Nelms chancer at Dundee) to 'call' the season before the teams had a chance discover that things 'even themselves out' and find their true position in the league over a 38-game season as we were promised at the outset, just at least tell us that you haven't played it fair. We know it. My son knows it. Telling us anything else from here on is just lying.

*Not that I'm blaming you for this, but if VAR had existed in the SPFL, the St Mirren goal should have been ruled out for offside, meaning it would have been St Mirren you'd have been shafting and some pissed off guy from Paisley typing this.

That’s never a real post??!

[brog]

I know who he is/was, and he is a bona-fide Hibee.

Beat me to it. Sergey is 100% a died in the wool Hibs fan.

[Sammy7nil]

I think they are hurting. Pleasing!


My son is eight years old. Tonight he watched Manchester City thrash Liverpool. He knew all the line ups for both teams. He knew when to shout at VAR*. A month ago, he barely knew that either existed. He was, and still is, Hearts daft. But something has changed.

When the SPFL decided to put a gun to the heads of its constituent clubs (aka shareholders - who knew?) by offering money in return for ensuring Celtic were handed their nobody-else-really-cares-in-a-row title, Scottish football changed. Sure, underneath it all things have been pretty skewed for a long time. But now it was out in the open. The big fish were to get their big feed, and access to the Champions League, while the small fry would, you thought, be content with whatever scraps were thrown their way.

My son was still on a high from watching Hearts win the last derby 3-1. We watched the goals daily. Sure, his optimism had taken a hit when we lost to St Mirren*, but we still had 24 points to play for. And despite a jaded father who has seen his team stuff things up more times than he cares to remember, for an eight year old boy, his team will always have a chance. But no, that chance was taken away from him. Similarly, it was taken away from the fans of Partick, Inverness, Dundee (ironically enough), Falkirk and Stranraer. The wee bit of magic that football gives us, by being eleven-v-eleven and on any given Saturday, etc. Your dedication to one team's needs ran roughshod over the thing that all football fans should always have: hopes and dreams for their team.

After the corrupt 'vote' you orchestrated at Easter, I tried to explain the situation to my son. Now, before you get the wrong impression, he's no saint. He cheats. Snakes and ladders, Mario Kart, water gun fights - he makes no bones about trying to defeat his younger brother and myself. He can be sleekit or he can be outrageously shameless. But when I tried to explain that the football team, the only football team he has ever cared about (and bear in mind this kid lived in Catalonia and yet doesn't give a stuff for Barcelona) were to be expelled from the top division for no apparent reason other than the administrator's desire to ensure Celtic could be handed a title that was already in the bag anyway, even he looked at me askance and said, "But that's not fair."

Sure, I tried to break down the PPG 'rule' which was invented to justify the decision. I told him how important money was. He actually gets this. He saves his pocket money to buy sale items in the Hearts shop. But still he wasn't convinced. I asked him to see it from the other clubs' point of view. He asked why they didn't like Hearts. I couldn't give him an answer. Even one of your little lickspittle lackeys, Les Gray, declared that what is going on is 'unfair'. At least admit it, Neil. Tell us that you know demoting a team four points from safety with twenty-four to play for is unfair. Ask Werder Bremen fans what they think about making up point differences.

Then, in the middle of lockdown, the Germans showed the way by playing football again (we'll skip Belarus, although I'm sure they could show you a few tricks in propaganda given their leader's Soviet-era cling-to-power-at-all-costs mentality). Then English football, which some of his friends talk about despite being Edinburgh born and bred, rave about. Until June, you see, my son had been taught to follow his local team and only his local team. He was obsessed with the Foundation of Hearts kit printed with the names of the thousands of fans that had helped keep our team alive. He loved hunting for my name. I was on minimum wage in Spain when I started paying into that fund. He loves this fact - that the people around him at Tynecastle, no matter their circumstances, had some kind of collective spirit to keep something we love alive. Please, tell us how much money you've taken out of Scottish football. Can you equate that with the value you've put in? Nobody even wants to sponsor your sham of a league.

But he still couldn't get it into his head why his team had been removed from the top league.

Now, you could call me irresponsible, but my son loves football so much (we've been out most days during lockdown playing in the Meadows) that I allowed him to stay up late to watch football from Germany, England and Spain. He asks the same question most nights, though. "Why can Hearts and the other teams not play now?" Now, I'm not going to hold you to account for the Scottish Government's decisions around contact sports and when it's safe for these to go ahead. But the bit that I do find hard to explain - perhaps you could, Neil - is why our season had to be 'called' when others are able to resume at a later date? Was there someone in your ear? Were you under pressure to twist some arms? I mean, was this an equitable solution for anyone?

My son's now watching the English Premier League every night, begging me to stay up late so he can see live football from just a few hundred miles away. He's no longer saying to his friends that they should support Hearts because you ought to support your local team. He's getting swept up in the hype and marketing that the EPL does so well. Last night I asked him if he was looking forward to seeing Hearts play again, no matter what league they play in. To be honest, he wasn't as bothered as he was a couple of months ago. He doesn't pretend to be Sean Clare or Steven Naismith now when we play. He's Mo Salah or Kevin de Bruyne or Leo Messi. He sees them playing their games on the pitch, not in secretive votes and skullduggery. He also sees VAR decisions making sure that things are reasonably fair. He cares more about that word now than he did before. He's started playing more fairly with his brother. He doesn't want to be 'unfair, like what they did to Hearts'. You've had quite the impact, even unintentionally.

You see, Neil, an eight year old can see right through you and whoever else helped you ram through your plan back in April. You've given another kid less reason to watch Scottish football and thrown them into the embrace of the mega-leagues and their marketable 'product'. You've been found out by a kid that still talks about the last cup final as thought it was one of the most important days of his short life even though his heroes lost it. Think how many other eight year olds in this country there are who don't understand why their team is going to come out of covid-19 far more disadvantaged than the other teams. Think about that for a second. Sure, I knew the ball was burst a long time ago - and it wasn't your fault at all. But what happened in April, and the nonsense which has followed it, well, that's on you.

Whatever went on in April when you pressured clubs (and I haven't even really mentioned the pathetically transparent and surprisingly successful attempt at coercion with that Nelms chancer at Dundee) to 'call' the season before the teams had a chance discover that things 'even themselves out' and find their true position in the league over a 38-game season as we were promised at the outset, just at least tell us that you haven't played it fair. We know it. My son knows it. Telling us anything else from here on is just lying.

*Not that I'm blaming you for this, but if VAR had existed in the SPFL, the St Mirren goal should have been ruled out for offside, meaning it would have been St Mirren you'd have been shafting and some pissed off guy from Paisley typing this.

Oh well that's a shame sure he will perk up when Alloa and Arbroath come calling.

[PH91]

Won't someone think of the children!!!

Hahahahaha.

[Del Boy]

There’s some absolute belters on kickback tonight, one of them is now claiming that the judge said they did the right thing taking it to court! That’ll be why he’s kicked it back to the SFA??:rolleyes:

[truehibernian]

What loss, they won 2-1! They got documents and stopped the Dundee Utd cheats from throwing their case out. Outstanding victory, Vlad will be doing a sail under and and Comical Annie will be mixing the make up vats as we speak, water proof for various reasons😳. 👍

Awww man, sorry Emerald, you're right bud......just seen a crowd of them dancing round a bag of chips on their Plaza with 'Neilson Oot' flags.......my bad :greengrin:aok:

[ronaldo7]

That’s never a real post??!

I just took from it that his son is a cheat. No surprise there.

[mutley]

That’s never a real post??!

YES, yes it is, in fact , it is a starter to a thread over there. ( called, Open Letter to Neil Doncaster) or something like that:

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/189265-an-open-letter-to-neil-doncaster-plus-assorted-other-liars-charlatans-and-blaggards/


I can hear the cries “won’t someone think of the children”.


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[greenginger]

Jambos going on about 2-1 is a hoot. They won two throw in and the SPFL scored a penalty.😉

Hearts got some documents released , SPFL got the case to go to arbitration, what was the other Hearts score about ?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I think they are hurting. Pleasing!


My son is eight years old. Tonight he watched Manchester City thrash Liverpool. He knew all the line ups for both teams. He knew when to shout at VAR*. A month ago, he barely knew that either existed. He was, and still is, Hearts daft. But something has changed.

When the SPFL decided to put a gun to the heads of its constituent clubs (aka shareholders - who knew?) by offering money in return for ensuring Celtic were handed their nobody-else-really-cares-in-a-row title, Scottish football changed. Sure, underneath it all things have been pretty skewed for a long time. But now it was out in the open. The big fish were to get their big feed, and access to the Champions League, while the small fry would, you thought, be content with whatever scraps were thrown their way.

My son was still on a high from watching Hearts win the last derby 3-1. We watched the goals daily. Sure, his optimism had taken a hit when we lost to St Mirren*, but we still had 24 points to play for. And despite a jaded father who has seen his team stuff things up more times than he cares to remember, for an eight year old boy, his team will always have a chance. But no, that chance was taken away from him. Similarly, it was taken away from the fans of Partick, Inverness, Dundee (ironically enough), Falkirk and Stranraer. The wee bit of magic that football gives us, by being eleven-v-eleven and on any given Saturday, etc. Your dedication to one team's needs ran roughshod over the thing that all football fans should always have: hopes and dreams for their team.

After the corrupt 'vote' you orchestrated at Easter, I tried to explain the situation to my son. Now, before you get the wrong impression, he's no saint. He cheats. Snakes and ladders, Mario Kart, water gun fights - he makes no bones about trying to defeat his younger brother and myself. He can be sleekit or he can be outrageously shameless. But when I tried to explain that the football team, the only football team he has ever cared about (and bear in mind this kid lived in Catalonia and yet doesn't give a stuff for Barcelona) were to be expelled from the top division for no apparent reason other than the administrator's desire to ensure Celtic could be handed a title that was already in the bag anyway, even he looked at me askance and said, "But that's not fair."

Sure, I tried to break down the PPG 'rule' which was invented to justify the decision. I told him how important money was. He actually gets this. He saves his pocket money to buy sale items in the Hearts shop. But still he wasn't convinced. I asked him to see it from the other clubs' point of view. He asked why they didn't like Hearts. I couldn't give him an answer. Even one of your little lickspittle lackeys, Les Gray, declared that what is going on is 'unfair'. At least admit it, Neil. Tell us that you know demoting a team four points from safety with twenty-four to play for is unfair. Ask Werder Bremen fans what they think about making up point differences.

Then, in the middle of lockdown, the Germans showed the way by playing football again (we'll skip Belarus, although I'm sure they could show you a few tricks in propaganda given their leader's Soviet-era cling-to-power-at-all-costs mentality). Then English football, which some of his friends talk about despite being Edinburgh born and bred, rave about. Until June, you see, my son had been taught to follow his local team and only his local team. He was obsessed with the Foundation of Hearts kit printed with the names of the thousands of fans that had helped keep our team alive. He loved hunting for my name. I was on minimum wage in Spain when I started paying into that fund. He loves this fact - that the people around him at Tynecastle, no matter their circumstances, had some kind of collective spirit to keep something we love alive. Please, tell us how much money you've taken out of Scottish football. Can you equate that with the value you've put in? Nobody even wants to sponsor your sham of a league.

But he still couldn't get it into his head why his team had been removed from the top league.

Now, you could call me irresponsible, but my son loves football so much (we've been out most days during lockdown playing in the Meadows) that I allowed him to stay up late to watch football from Germany, England and Spain. He asks the same question most nights, though. "Why can Hearts and the other teams not play now?" Now, I'm not going to hold you to account for the Scottish Government's decisions around contact sports and when it's safe for these to go ahead. But the bit that I do find hard to explain - perhaps you could, Neil - is why our season had to be 'called' when others are able to resume at a later date? Was there someone in your ear? Were you under pressure to twist some arms? I mean, was this an equitable solution for anyone?

My son's now watching the English Premier League every night, begging me to stay up late so he can see live football from just a few hundred miles away. He's no longer saying to his friends that they should support Hearts because you ought to support your local team. He's getting swept up in the hype and marketing that the EPL does so well. Last night I asked him if he was looking forward to seeing Hearts play again, no matter what league they play in. To be honest, he wasn't as bothered as he was a couple of months ago. He doesn't pretend to be Sean Clare or Steven Naismith now when we play. He's Mo Salah or Kevin de Bruyne or Leo Messi. He sees them playing their games on the pitch, not in secretive votes and skullduggery. He also sees VAR decisions making sure that things are reasonably fair. He cares more about that word now than he did before. He's started playing more fairly with his brother. He doesn't want to be 'unfair, like what they did to Hearts'. You've had quite the impact, even unintentionally.

You see, Neil, an eight year old can see right through you and whoever else helped you ram through your plan back in April. You've given another kid less reason to watch Scottish football and thrown them into the embrace of the mega-leagues and their marketable 'product'. You've been found out by a kid that still talks about the last cup final as thought it was one of the most important days of his short life even though his heroes lost it. Think how many other eight year olds in this country there are who don't understand why their team is going to come out of covid-19 far more disadvantaged than the other teams. Think about that for a second. Sure, I knew the ball was burst a long time ago - and it wasn't your fault at all. But what happened in April, and the nonsense which has followed it, well, that's on you.

Whatever went on in April when you pressured clubs (and I haven't even really mentioned the pathetically transparent and surprisingly successful attempt at coercion with that Nelms chancer at Dundee) to 'call' the season before the teams had a chance discover that things 'even themselves out' and find their true position in the league over a 38-game season as we were promised at the outset, just at least tell us that you haven't played it fair. We know it. My son knows it. Telling us anything else from here on is just lying.

*Not that I'm blaming you for this, but if VAR had existed in the SPFL, the St Mirren goal should have been ruled out for offside, meaning it would have been St Mirren you'd have been shafting and some pissed off guy from Paisley typing this.

VAR from the St Mirren game? They’re not called the Klingons for nothing...

[Irish_Steve]

Ooh, here we goes, SL has summoned up the spirit of Leslie Deans


To All. We have NOT lost. The motion to dismiss our case was refused. It was only sent to arbitration as Lord Clark stated he was legally obliged to do so. The arbitration will be chaired by an independent senior lawyer and could well end up being referred back to the court. I rather suspect Lord Clark will be watching this like a hawk. Finally he ordered all the dodgy documents, emails etc between SPFL and Dundee and others to be produced. Goodness knows what all that may disclose and how much that may help our case.
. You might say we're 1-0 down at half time.
Les

[Eyrie]

The matter may have been referred to arbitration, but one thing is now clear.

The SFA know exactly how much to fine Hearts and Partick - the missing 50% of the SPFL's legal costs and 100% of the legal costs for the three clubs Hearts attempted to shaft.

[whiskyhibby]

Budge is the new Comical Ali from the Iraq War. Place is going up in smoke and she’s claiming they are on the verge of an historic victory and things have never been better!


Completely agree....🤣🤣🤣🤣

[The 90+2]

If VAR existed and the goal was called a foul they would still be bottom or am I missing something in that shower of greetin’?

[brog]

VAR from the St Mirren game? They’re not called the Klingons for nothing...

And offside, Really? There may have been a handball but offside was never in the equation IIRC. Oh & if VAR's the answer can we please have Leigh & Forster's goals now?

[Eyrie]

Ooh, here we goes, SL has summoned up the spirit of Leslie Deans


To All. We have NOT lost. The motion to dismiss our case was refused. It was only sent to arbitration as Lord Clark stated he was legally obliged to do so. The arbitration will be chaired by an independent senior lawyer and could well end up being referred back to the court. I rather suspect Lord Clark will be watching this like a hawk. Finally he ordered all the dodgy documents, emails etc between SPFL and Dundee and others to be produced. Goodness knows what all that may disclose and how much that may help our case.
. You might say we're 1-0 down at half time.
Les

Presumably that will include the top secret email from Doncaster to the other forty clubs orchestrating a plot to demote Hearts and not the worst team in the top division.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Ooh, here we goes, SL has summoned up the spirit of Leslie Deans


To All. We have NOT lost. The motion to dismiss our case was refused. It was only sent to arbitration as Lord Clark stated he was legally obliged to do so. The arbitration will be chaired by an independent senior lawyer and could well end up being referred back to the court. I rather suspect Lord Clark will be watching this like a hawk. Finally he ordered all the dodgy documents, emails etc between SPFL and Dundee and others to be produced. Goodness knows what all that may disclose and how much that may help our case.
. You might say we're 1-0 down at half time.
Les

Aww, the old he was legally obliged to. Is this **** seriously a lawyer?

[Irish_Steve]

And offside, Really? There may have been a handball but offside was never in the equation IIRC. Oh & if VAR's the answer can we please have Leigh & Forster's goals now?

And Oli`s

[Del Boy]

A few of the slightly brighter ones on kickback now calling out the heads in the sand brigade. Could be a long night over there.

[Sammy7nil]

And Oli`s

And Stans :wink:

[truehibernian]

Ooh, here we goes, SL has summoned up the spirit of Leslie Deans


To All. We have NOT lost. The motion to dismiss our case was refused. It was only sent to arbitration as Lord Clark stated he was legally obliged to do so. The arbitration will be chaired by an independent senior lawyer and could well end up being referred back to the court. I rather suspect Lord Clark will be watching this like a hawk. Finally he ordered all the dodgy documents, emails etc between SPFL and Dundee and others to be produced. Goodness knows what all that may disclose and how much that may help our case.
. You might say we're 1-0 down at half time.
Les

I sincerely hope he is Les, and sees that comment if it is indeed attributed to you :agree::aok:

[04Sauzee]

I think they are hurting. Pleasing!


My son is eight years old. Tonight he watched Manchester City thrash Liverpool. He knew all the line ups for both teams. He knew when to shout at VAR*. A month ago, he barely knew that either existed. He was, and still is, Hearts daft. But something has changed.

When the SPFL decided to put a gun to the heads of its constituent clubs (aka shareholders - who knew?) by offering money in return for ensuring Celtic were handed their nobody-else-really-cares-in-a-row title, Scottish football changed. Sure, underneath it all things have been pretty skewed for a long time. But now it was out in the open. The big fish were to get their big feed, and access to the Champions League, while the small fry would, you thought, be content with whatever scraps were thrown their way.

My son was still on a high from watching Hearts win the last derby 3-1. We watched the goals daily. Sure, his optimism had taken a hit when we lost to St Mirren*, but we still had 24 points to play for. And despite a jaded father who has seen his team stuff things up more times than he cares to remember, for an eight year old boy, his team will always have a chance. But no, that chance was taken away from him. Similarly, it was taken away from the fans of Partick, Inverness, Dundee (ironically enough), Falkirk and Stranraer. The wee bit of magic that football gives us, by being eleven-v-eleven and on any given Saturday, etc. Your dedication to one team's needs ran roughshod over the thing that all football fans should always have: hopes and dreams for their team.

After the corrupt 'vote' you orchestrated at Easter, I tried to explain the situation to my son. Now, before you get the wrong impression, he's no saint. He cheats. Snakes and ladders, Mario Kart, water gun fights - he makes no bones about trying to defeat his younger brother and myself. He can be sleekit or he can be outrageously shameless. But when I tried to explain that the football team, the only football team he has ever cared about (and bear in mind this kid lived in Catalonia and yet doesn't give a stuff for Barcelona) were to be expelled from the top division for no apparent reason other than the administrator's desire to ensure Celtic could be handed a title that was already in the bag anyway, even he looked at me askance and said, "But that's not fair."

Sure, I tried to break down the PPG 'rule' which was invented to justify the decision. I told him how important money was. He actually gets this. He saves his pocket money to buy sale items in the Hearts shop. But still he wasn't convinced. I asked him to see it from the other clubs' point of view. He asked why they didn't like Hearts. I couldn't give him an answer. Even one of your little lickspittle lackeys, Les Gray, declared that what is going on is 'unfair'. At least admit it, Neil. Tell us that you know demoting a team four points from safety with twenty-four to play for is unfair. Ask Werder Bremen fans what they think about making up point differences.

Then, in the middle of lockdown, the Germans showed the way by playing football again (we'll skip Belarus, although I'm sure they could show you a few tricks in propaganda given their leader's Soviet-era cling-to-power-at-all-costs mentality). Then English football, which some of his friends talk about despite being Edinburgh born and bred, rave about. Until June, you see, my son had been taught to follow his local team and only his local team. He was obsessed with the Foundation of Hearts kit printed with the names of the thousands of fans that had helped keep our team alive. He loved hunting for my name. I was on minimum wage in Spain when I started paying into that fund. He loves this fact - that the people around him at Tynecastle, no matter their circumstances, had some kind of collective spirit to keep something we love alive. Please, tell us how much money you've taken out of Scottish football. Can you equate that with the value you've put in? Nobody even wants to sponsor your sham of a league.

But he still couldn't get it into his head why his team had been removed from the top league.

Now, you could call me irresponsible, but my son loves football so much (we've been out most days during lockdown playing in the Meadows) that I allowed him to stay up late to watch football from Germany, England and Spain. He asks the same question most nights, though. "Why can Hearts and the other teams not play now?" Now, I'm not going to hold you to account for the Scottish Government's decisions around contact sports and when it's safe for these to go ahead. But the bit that I do find hard to explain - perhaps you could, Neil - is why our season had to be 'called' when others are able to resume at a later date? Was there someone in your ear? Were you under pressure to twist some arms? I mean, was this an equitable solution for anyone?

My son's now watching the English Premier League every night, begging me to stay up late so he can see live football from just a few hundred miles away. He's no longer saying to his friends that they should support Hearts because you ought to support your local team. He's getting swept up in the hype and marketing that the EPL does so well. Last night I asked him if he was looking forward to seeing Hearts play again, no matter what league they play in. To be honest, he wasn't as bothered as he was a couple of months ago. He doesn't pretend to be Sean Clare or Steven Naismith now when we play. He's Mo Salah or Kevin de Bruyne or Leo Messi. He sees them playing their games on the pitch, not in secretive votes and skullduggery. He also sees VAR decisions making sure that things are reasonably fair. He cares more about that word now than he did before. He's started playing more fairly with his brother. He doesn't want to be 'unfair, like what they did to Hearts'. You've had quite the impact, even unintentionally.

You see, Neil, an eight year old can see right through you and whoever else helped you ram through your plan back in April. You've given another kid less reason to watch Scottish football and thrown them into the embrace of the mega-leagues and their marketable 'product'. You've been found out by a kid that still talks about the last cup final as thought it was one of the most important days of his short life even though his heroes lost it. Think how many other eight year olds in this country there are who don't understand why their team is going to come out of covid-19 far more disadvantaged than the other teams. Think about that for a second. Sure, I knew the ball was burst a long time ago - and it wasn't your fault at all. But what happened in April, and the nonsense which has followed it, well, that's on you.

Whatever went on in April when you pressured clubs (and I haven't even really mentioned the pathetically transparent and surprisingly successful attempt at coercion with that Nelms chancer at Dundee) to 'call' the season before the teams had a chance discover that things 'even themselves out' and find their true position in the league over a 38-game season as we were promised at the outset, just at least tell us that you haven't played it fair. We know it. My son knows it. Telling us anything else from here on is just lying.

*Not that I'm blaming you for this, but if VAR had existed in the SPFL, the St Mirren goal should have been ruled out for offside, meaning it would have been St Mirren you'd have been shafting and some pissed off guy from Paisley typing this.

Does anybody else have the tune to DLT's our tune going through their head when they read this

[Feed McGraw]

And offside, Really? There may have been a handball but offside was never in the equation IIRC. Oh & if VAR's the answer can we please have Leigh & Forster's goals now? And oli's.

[The 90+2]

And oli's.

And Mixu’s in the 6-2 game 👍

[Feed McGraw]

And Mixu’s in the 6-2 game 👍 Darren's too in I think the 3-1 game, would have made it 4 ?

[Feed McGraw]

Darren's too in I think the 3-1 game, would have made it 4 ? Cup match.

[hibsbollah]

I just took from it that his son is a cheat. No surprise there.

...and his dad has just hung him out to dry for it on a public forum :greengrin
Its not so much a post as A Statement.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/tamsellicsoniii/status/1279057635644510209?s=21


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[EdinMike]

I just took from it that his son is a cheat. No surprise there.

That’s the first part of all that waffle that made me guffaw. He forget to tell his son that Hearts were the worst team in the league though.

[Irish_Steve]

Does anybody else have the tune to DLT's our tune going through their head when they read this

Pedantic point, it was Simon Bates

[Pete]

I just took from it that his son is a cheat. No surprise there.

All I took was that there are more ways of saying relegated than I thought.

Hearts were 'removed' from the top league 🤣

[The 90+2]

Darren's too in I think the 3-1 game, would have made it 4 ?

Shout 👍

[CropleyWasGod]

Pedantic point, it was Simon Bates

Indeed, but the DLT reference is relevant.

That bit when someone got a question wrong..... Wah Wah Oops.....:greengrin

Edit... found it.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEKTrexMocE

[The 90+2]

All I took was that there are more ways of saying relegated than I thought.

Hearts were 'removed' from the top league 🤣

We can use it as a nation in the future.

“Scotland removed from World Cup after 5-0 loss to Moldova”

[Irish_Steve]

Indeed, but the DLT reference is relevant.

That bit when someone got a question wrong..... Wah Wah Oops.....:greengrin

:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin