Jambos Legal Challenge

[malcolm]

I think this undoubtedly strengthens the SPFL’s case (providing a similar process was followed). If a judge has decided that the process was fair and unprejudiced it will definitely set precedent, at least as a starting point.

It does not set a legal precedent that a Scottish legal system has to follow. Precedents generally are followed by lower courts or those of the same level. In the U.K. the Appeal position of the House of Lords to Scottish courts complicates things but ignoring that the case is now outside the court system, a court looking at a decision in a different system can find the arguments and decisions persuasive in the context of the case before it. As a rehearsal of common sense it should set a precedent but the reality should be that the arbitration needs no external pointers to see the downright obvious.:greengrin

[sean04]

I think hearts/Patrick’s case rest on them proving there was underhand tactics to get Dundee to vote yes. There’s already been an independent enquiry into this and no evidence was found. What are the potential consequences if hearts/Partick lose this case? Counter sue? Financial fine? Points deduction?

[Sammy7nil]

I do not see any reason why the SPFL would agree to any financial settlement as it will impact on all of the other clubs in Scotland, most of which do not have the financial resources of Hearts. If the Arbitration Panel find in favour of Hearts then the SPFL will take it to CAS.

I thought any decision by this arbitration panel was binding, no where else to go.

[HibeesLittleHel]

IWhat are the potential consequences if hearts/Partick lose this case? Counter sue? Financial fine? Points deduction?
Banishment sin die

[matty_f]

It does not set a legal precedent that a Scottish legal system has to follow. Precedents generally are followed by lower courts or those of the same level. In the U.K. the Appeal position of the House of Lords to Scottish courts complicates things but ignoring that the case is now outside the court system, a court looking at a decision in a different system can find the arguments and decisions persuasive in the context of the case before it. As a rehearsal of common sense it should set a precedent but the reality should be that the arbitration needs no external pointers to see the downright obvious.:greengrin
That’s what i was trying to say when i put the “at least as a starting point” line in - it’ll definitely be useful for the defence case to point to a similar case and judgement.

[Pete]

I'm hearing that hearts, should they lose their case, are preparing to sue the Welsh high court for being unfair.

[Greenworld]

I do not see any reason why the SPFL would agree to any financial settlement as it will impact on all of the other clubs in Scotland, most of which do not have the financial resources of Hearts. If the Arbitration Panel find in favour of Hearts then the SPFL will take it to CAS.Is the Arbitration decision not final.

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[where'stheslope]

I think hearts/Patrick’s case rest on them proving there was underhand tactics to get Dundee to vote yes. There’s already been an independent enquiry into this and no evidence was found. What are the potential consequences if hearts/Partick lose this case? Counter sue? Financial fine? Points deduction?
Reading Kenny Dalgliesh in the paper this morning, it could mean if SPFL lose, Celtic and other Champions could lose their titles?
The vote with Dundee, I think everyone thought it was dodgy from the outset, then takes another 5 days to make up a yes vote?
I think everyone thought Dundee were looking for what's in it for me.
Celtic wanted 9 in a row and Champions League place.
Dundee United wanted promotion to the top league.
Raith wanted promotion but by only 1 point with 8 games to go?
Cove Rangers promotion.
None of the Leagues were done and dusted, but I keep hearing about Lawell pushing for calling the leagues early for Celtic's purpose only, and that may have caused this total mess!!!

[Greenworld]

I believe the appointments were made last week with the actyal proxess due to start today...don't tell them on JKB or they'll be demanding the Zoom code and password so they can give a running commentary.As long as i have the code its fine [emoji1787]

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[Kato]

None of the Leagues were done and dusted,

They were.

The SPFL cancelled all fixtures, the Govt then stopped sporting events as we went into lockdown and the clubs voted to halt the league as was and as per the rules when it became apparent fixtures couldn't be fulfilled.

Done and dusted.

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[Barney McGrew]

None of the Leagues were done and dusted, but I keep hearing about Lawell pushing for calling the leagues early for Celtic's purpose only, and that may have caused this total mess!!!

You need to stop listening to Rangers fans then

[The 90+2]

If it’s starting on Wednesday and going to take two weeks then the decision will be made 3 days before the season starts! In the event of Hearts winning are they just going to accept only a 3 day pre season? Budge will have us all starting in October!!

Awww ffs.

“Welcome to sportsound on this, the first day of the season we are here with our guests Tom English, Craig Levein, Neil McCann and Alan Preston. Thoughts firstly Tom - its no fair blah blah blah”

[Since452]

They were.

The SPFL cancelled all fixtures, the Govt then stopped sporting events as we went into lockdown and the clubs voted to halt the league as was and as per the rules when it became apparent fixtures couldn't be fulfilled.

Done and dusted.

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Couldn't be clearer

[Bostonhibby]

Cue English and Welsh courts being described as tinpot

Sent from my SM-T580 using TapatalkYep, if I was a maroon balloon with Duncanesque tendencies I wouldn't be posting anywhere at all about gracing any of these leagues with our presence.

Especially not on Kickback........

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[green day]

Reading Kenny Dalgliesh in the paper this morning, it could mean if SPFL lose, Celtic and other Champions could lose their titles?
The vote with Dundee, I think everyone thought it was dodgy from the outset, then takes another 5 days to make up a yes vote?
I think everyone thought Dundee were looking for what's in it for me.
Celtic wanted 9 in a row and Champions League place.
Dundee United wanted promotion to the top league.
Raith wanted promotion but by only 1 point with 8 games to go?
Cove Rangers promotion.
None of the Leagues were done and dusted, but I keep hearing about Lawell pushing for calling the leagues early for Celtic's purpose only, and that may have caused this total mess!!!

There are so many parts of this post that are fundamentally wrong that, could I be arsed, I would correct them all.

However, anyone who cant even spell Dalglish correctly wont be getting any more of my time.

[Saint Hibee]

I think it's in Budge's interest for there to be a settlement of some kind, as it would be confidential. That means, regardless of how little any agreement benefits them, they can spin it as a victory of sorts.

Of one thing I am certain: whatever the outcome of arbitration, Budge will spin it as a victory for Hearts and a validation of her stance.

[Greenworld]

There are so many parts of this post that are fundamentally wrong that, could I be arsed, I would correct them all.

However, anyone who cant even spell Dalglish correctly wont be getting any more of my time.Yup thats how i felt [emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[The 90+2]

Of one thing I am certain: whatever the outcome of arbitration, Budge will spin it as a victory for Hearts and a validation of her stance.

Some boy to me this morning claimed even if they lose they have won as they have their club back battling for the fans or some twisted logic like such.

[Since452]

Some boy to me this morning claimed even if they lose they have won as they have their club back battling for the fans or some twisted logic like such.

You can never beat an idiot

[Bostonhibby]

You can never beat an idiot[emoji106]
Years of practice means they've perfected it.

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[The 90+2]

You can never beat an idiot

Fair point.

[AltheHibby]

Never argue with a fool.* They will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

*Jambo/Hun/Trump supporter.

[Caversham Green]

Never argue with a fool.* They will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

*Jambo/Hun/Trump supporter.

Like playing chess with a pigeon. They'll knock over all the pieces s**t on the board then strut about as if they'd won.

[A Hi-Bee]

Never argue with a fool.* They will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

*Jambo/Hun/Trump supporter.

Aint no cure for Stoopid,
**** the hertz
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

[Sammy7nil]

You can never beat an idiot

Try a big stick :greengrin

[BroxburnHibee]

Apologies if I missed it but is there a start date for the 'Arbitration'?

[The 90+2]

Apologies if I missed it but is there a start date for the 'Arbitration'?

Weds/Thursday

[theonlywayisup]

Some boy to me this morning claimed even if they lose they have won as they have their club back battling for the fans or some twisted logic like such.

Yes, it also means that Ann Budge is still at Tiny, when she should really have been hounded out.

[Joe6-2]

Banishment sin die

That will do!

[The 90+2]

Yes, it also means that Ann Budge is still at Tiny, when she should really have been hounded out.

Yip. Sitting relegated having told them she knows best for years now she’s still the hero.

[Greenworld]

Apologies if I missed it but is there a start date for the 'Arbitration'?There seems to be differing days mentioned it may have started today but wednesday was mention also.
I'm going with today due to the urgency in time and expect a verdict by Friday .


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[Wakeyhibee]

Like playing chess with a pigeon. They'll knock over all the pieces s**t on the board then strut about as if they'd won.

Analogy of the year award :faf:

[Mibbes Aye]

Like playing chess with a pigeon. They'll knock over all the pieces s**t on the board then strut about as if they'd won.

In fairness, once my son got obviously better than me, I just adopted those tactics.

[Mibbes Aye]

In fairness, once my son got obviously better than me, I just adopted those tactics.

It does make it awkward when we get the invite to the school chess tournaments. I put his tension down to his age. For me, it is the pressure of downloading one on those black and white squares. They say it is a psychological game, damn right.

[Billy Whizz]

There seems to be differing days mentioned it may have started today but wednesday was mention also.
I'm going with today due to the urgency in time and expect a verdict by Friday .


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Hugh Keevins on Clyde last night, said it had been delayed by at least a week

[macca70]

There was chat in the court case of how time sensitive this is and how quickly they could get the arbitration process moving.

Not a lot seems to have happened for over a week now.

[FilipinoHibs]

Hugh Keevins on Clyde last night, said it had been delayed by at least a week

How would anyone know if it is supposed to be entirely confidential. That would mean starts next Monday at earliest. Leaving two weeks to complete before season starts. Maybe the two parties are negotiating a settlement. Hearts and their lackey must realise how unpopular they have become and given the Welsh ruling, little chance of success

[CentreLine]

There was chat in the court case of how time sensitive this is and how quickly they could get the arbitration process moving.

Not a lot seems to have happened for over a week now.

Could the delay be down to hahahahearts forensically examining every comma in the hope of finding smoke?
I’m begging to think this court case/arbitration is not about relegation but is a back door method of having the judicial review they were so keen to support the The Rangers on.
It is clear that a significant number of clubs are not happy with the monster they created when they went down the SPL/SPFL route. Maybe the old SFA wasn’t so bad after all?

[Peevemor]

Could the delay be down to hahahahearts forensically examining every comma in the hope of finding smoke?
I’m begging to think this court case/arbitration is not about relegation but is a back door method of having the judicial review they were so keen to support the The Rangers on.
It is clear that a significant number of clubs are not happy with the monster they created when they went down the SPL/SPFL route. Maybe the old SFA wasn’t so bad after all?

Setting up the tribunal means organising the diaries of a lot of people, mainly solicitors and advocates who all have other clients & cases. Getting something in place within a fortnight of the original decision isn't a delay - far from it.

[PatHead]

Setting up the tribunal means organising the diaries of a lot of people, mainly solicitors and advocates who all have other clients & cases. Getting something in place within a fortnight of the original decision isn't a delay - far from it.

I'm sure Leslie Dean's will clear his diary.

[Since452]

Yip. Sitting relegated having told them she knows best for years now she’s still the hero.

They are the thickest fans in world football.

Wallace Mercer - Left them with mountains of debt. Won nothing - Hero

Robbie Neilson - Hounded out by the fans for eye bleeding football and honking derby record - Hero

Romanov - Miraculously avoided liquidation. Administration resulting in relegation - Hero

Budge - Has overseen an utter ****show. Consistently worst team in the league for 18 months resulting in relegation - Hero

[Joe6-2]

I'm sure Leslie Dean's will clear his diary.

I’m sure that particular diary is pretty clear already!

[greenginger]

They are the thickest fans in world football.

Wallace Mercer - Left them with mountains of debt. Won nothing - Hero

Robbie Neilson - Hounded out by the fans for eye bleeding football and honking derby record - Hero

Romanov - Miraculously avoided liquidation. Administration resulting in relegation - Hero

Budge - Has overseen an utter ****show. Consistently worst team in the league for 18 months resulting in relegation - Hero


You missed out Pieman who ran up even more debt and tried to flog Tynicastle to developers because it was not fit for purpose as a football stadium.

[FilipinoHibs]

They are the thickest fans in world football.

Wallace Mercer - Left them with mountains of debt. Won nothing - Hero

Robbie Neilson - Hounded out by the fans for eye bleeding football and honking derby record - Hero

Romanov - Miraculously avoided liquidation. Administration resulting in relegation - Hero

Budge - Has overseen an utter ****show. Consistently worst team in the league for 18 months resulting in relegation - Hero

What about the Pieman? Left them in £22m of debt and on verge of selling Tynecastle. Had to bite the hand of Lithuanian conman who had been knocked back by three other Scottish clubs.

[Since452]

You missed out Pieman who ran up even more debt and tried to flog Tynicastle to developers because it was not fit for purpose as a football stadium.

In fairness to the pink scarf twirling welts I don't think he had quite the same hero status as the rest

[JimBHibees]

In fairness to the pink scarf twirling welts I don't think he had quite the same hero status as the rest

Did a Hearts fan not assault him in a hotel before a game in Inverness :greengrin

[macca70]

Setting up the tribunal means organising the diaries of a lot of people, mainly solicitors and advocates who all have other clients & cases. Getting something in place within a fortnight of the original decision isn't a delay - far from it.

That contradicts what was said in the court case as it was all agreed it could move very quickly. The 3 on the arbitration panel will be retired and not working therefore the view was it could be up and running in days.

At very least, you’d think they would have communicated a date for it to start.

[weecounty hibby]

In fairness to the pink scarf twirling welts I don't think he had quite the same hero status as the rest
Only because he tried to course correct thier massive overspending by selling Tiny. Bit the do e thing when you are a Jambo to be admitting to financial mismanagement and to try to raise your own cash. Goes against everything they stand for

[Since452]

Only because he tried to course correct thier massive overspending by selling Tiny. Bit the do e thing when you are a Jambo to be admitting to financial mismanagement and to try to raise your own cash. Goes against everything they stand for

Very true

[Andy74]

That contradicts what was said in the court case as it was all agreed it could move very quickly. The 3 on the arbitration panel will be retired and not working therefore the view was it could be up and running in days.

At very least, you’d think they would have communicated a date for it to start.

There will also be release/review of the documents and general reading of the submissions. I'd imagine that is all going on in the background so they are ready to go once the panel sits.

[CropleyWasGod]

That contradicts what was said in the court case as it was all agreed it could move very quickly. The 3 on the arbitration panel will be retired and not working therefore the view was it could be up and running in days.

At very least, you’d think they would have communicated a date for it to start.

"As this process is entirely independent, the Scottish FA will make no further comment."

That suggests nothing from the SFA until it is over.

[calumhibee1]

"As this process is entirely independent, the Scottish FA will make no further comment."

That suggests nothing from the SFA until it is over.

I thought when you say you’ll make no further comment that you’re supposed to go on and make further comment every day or two?

[CropleyWasGod]

I thought when you say you’ll make no further comment that you’re supposed to go on and make further comment every day or two?

No comment.

[MacGruber]

What about the Pieman? Left them in £22m of debt and on verge of selling Tynecastle. Had to bite the hand of Lithuanian conman who had been knocked back by three other Scottish clubs.


Not so much hero status - unless the brick they put through his front window had a note attached to it and it was just over zealous fan mail

[oldbutdim]

I'm sure Leslie Dean's will clear his diary.

He'd have a semi to get rid off if he was involved.

[Greenworld]

That contradicts what was said in the court case as it was all agreed it could move very quickly. The 3 on the arbitration panel will be retired and not working therefore the view was it could be up and running in days.

At very least, you’d think they would have communicated a date for it to start.Thats correct it has likely started already once they have read through everything i think it will be fairly quick to come a decision after speaking to the various sides.

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[ancient hibee]

I’m sure speed will depend on how much they get paid a day.

[FilipinoHibs]

Only because he tried to course correct thier massive overspending by selling Tiny. Bit the do e thing when you are a Jambo to be admitting to financial mismanagement and to try to raise your own cash. Goes against everything they stand for

Him and Deans did take the debt from £4 million to £22 million paving the way for Vlad and Budge.

[The 90+2]

They are the thickest fans in world football.

Wallace Mercer - Left them with mountains of debt. Won nothing - Hero

Robbie Neilson - Hounded out by the fans for eye bleeding football and honking derby record - Hero

Romanov - Miraculously avoided liquidation. Administration resulting in relegation - Hero

Budge - Has overseen an utter ****show. Consistently worst team in the league for 18 months resulting in relegation - Hero

Tremendous 🤣🤣 the best part is it’s all true.

[FilipinoHibs]

Not so much hero status - unless the brick they put through his front window had a note attached to it and it was just over zealous fan mail

Yes the proposal to sell Tynie and rent Murrayfield blotted his copy book.

[The 90+2]

You missed out Pieman who ran up even more debt and tried to flog Tynicastle to developers because it was not fit for purpose as a football stadium.

At least he built the stadium and won a Scottish cup. If it wasn’t for benefactors Budge would have accumulated as much debt with a ***** main stand and relegation to show for it.

Add Levein to the list. A club legend who is the ultimate footballing loser.

[jacomo]

Yes the proposal to sell Tynie and rent Murrayfield blotted his copy book.


The Pie Man asked Jambos to face up to the fact that Tynecastle wasn’t for for purpose. Such logic challenges their fantasy reality so obviously he was hounded out.

[JimBHibees]

Him and Deans did take the debt from £4 million to £22 million paving the way for Vlad and Budge.

Did they not get a huge investment in Robinsons time from Scottish media group?

[The 90+2]

Did they not get a huge investment in Robinsons time from Scottish media group?

I thought that paid for a 20 year lease of Riccarton help funding build it?

That and Fitzroy Simpson and Gordon Petric.

[weecounty hibby]

Did they not get a huge investment in Robinsons time from Scottish media group?
Yip, 8m for a stake in the tarts. Money thrown away and a poor investment. From memory they basically wrote it off. So yet another company stuffed by them

[FilipinoHibs]

The Pie Man asked Jambos to face up to the fact that Tynecastle wasn’t for for purpose. Such logic challenges their fantasy reality so obviously he was hounded out.

It was to clear the debt. The bank were calling it in. Then rent Murrayfield.

[Hillsidehibby]

Yip, 8m for a stake in the tarts. Money thrown away and a poor investment. From memory they basically wrote it off. So yet another company stuffed by them

Yes. £8M pissed away on ridiculous transfer fees and wages on huddies like Gordan Petric

[Sammy7nil]

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/sport/fleet-opt-against-legal-battle-and-accept-relegation-230335/

Ebbsfleet accept relegation on PPG for the good of the National league. Relegated by 0.002 of point after dropping one place in to the relegation places.

[FilipinoHibs]

I thought that paid for a 20 year lease of Riccarton help funding build it?

That and Fitzroy Simpson and Gordon Petric.

SMG invested £8 million in 1999 through a share issue. Bulk went on players - height of inflated wages. Some went to "improve" Tynie. Don't know if they ever git any of it bavk.

[Andy74]

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/sport/fleet-opt-against-legal-battle-and-accept-relegation-230335/

Ebbsfleet accept relegation on PPG for the good of the National league.

That’s how you handle it.

[AltheHibby]

That’s how you handle it.

Absolutely. Good luck to Ebbsfleet next season.

[FilipinoHibs]

SMG invested £8 million in 1999 through a share issue. Bulk went on players - height of inflated wages. Some went to "improve" Tynie. Don't know if they ever git any of it bavk.

Of the £8m, £3.5m in convertible debt maturing in 2003. SMG choose not to convert to shares and called the loan in. Hearts paid it by extending their debt to BOS.

[04Sauzee]

The @AyrUnitedFC chairman Lachlan Cameron suggests a SPFL commissioner to address self-interest & says Ayr will give financial support to @dundeeunitedfc @RaithRovers & @CoveRangersFC in legal fight. With Donald Findlay @TEnglishSport & @kennymacsport https://t.co/EA5qy7kvY5

[bigwheel]

The @AyrUnitedFC chairman Lachlan Cameron suggests a SPFL commissioner to address self-interest & says Ayr will give financial support to @dundeeunitedfc @RaithRovers & @CoveRangersFC in legal fight. With Donald Findlay @TEnglishSport & @kennymacsport https://t.co/EA5qy7kvY5

Amazing that one of the smaller clubs is first to stand up for these guys....delighted to see it . Could do with similar leadership from our club and other top league clubs


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[Seveno]

Of the £8m, £3.5m in convertible debt maturing in 2003. SMG choose not to convert to shares and called the loan in. Hearts paid it by extending their debt to BOS.

That was always a bizarre investment. What did they ever hope to get out of it?

[KeithTheHibby]

Did they not get a huge investment in Robinsons time from Scottish media group?

Yep, all wasted. Romanovs money, all wasted. Beny Factors money, all wasted.
Absolute car crash of a club.

[mal]

That was always a bizarre investment. What did they ever hope to get out of it?

In the late 90s broadcasters seemed to think that investing in football was a licence to print money. It was thought that football rights would be the driving force behind the expansion of Digital TV; that was until the collapse of ITV Digital just about killed off DTV in this country and threatened to bring down many of England's lower league clubs who had over-spent in expectation of payments they never received. Eventually, the BBC was tasked with rescuing DTV and led the launch of Freeview. Subscription channels for sport have been the province of Satellite and Cable. Having said all that, SMG's investment in Hearts seemed bizarre, and bizarrely large, even at the time.

[Not So Young]

Amazing that one of the smaller clubs is first to stand up for these guys....delighted to see it . Could do with similar leadership from our club and other top league clubs


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Don't think we should be contributing at all.

When HSL is appealing for fans to contribute to the Club to help the first team I would hate to think some of that money or any other money was being given away.

Times are hard and cash is tight so look after number one first

[Peevemor]

That contradicts what was said in the court case as it was all agreed it could move very quickly. The 3 on the arbitration panel will be retired and not working therefore the view was it could be up and running in days.

At very least, you’d think they would have communicated a date for it to start.2 weeks is very quickly. Something like this would ordinarily take months to programme.

[EI255]

2 weeks is very quickly. Something like this would ordinarily take months to programme.Longer it's delayed the chances become bleaker than bleak for Budge as the season is about to commence.

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[Since452]

The @AyrUnitedFC chairman Lachlan Cameron suggests a SPFL commissioner to address self-interest & says Ayr will give financial support to @dundeeunitedfc @RaithRovers & @CoveRangersFC in legal fight. With Donald Findlay @TEnglishSport & @kennymacsport https://t.co/EA5qy7kvY5

Good on Ayr United. Always liked them, superb away day.

[Dashing Bob S]

The @AyrUnitedFC chairman Lachlan Cameron suggests a SPFL commissioner to address self-interest & says Ayr will give financial support to @dundeeunitedfc @RaithRovers & @CoveRangersFC in legal fight. With Donald Findlay @TEnglishSport & @kennymacsport https://t.co/EA5qy7kvY5

Could be the start of a pile on rebound against those tiresome bores. They’ll crumble quickly if a bit of heat gets turned back on them.

[CapitalGreen]

Hearts and Partick served with a notice of complaint for taking the SPFL to court.

[bingo70]

Hearts and Partick served with a notice of complaint for taking the SPFL to court.

Brilliant.

How long till we find out that outcome of that?

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/hearts-and-thistle-charged-by-sfa-over-court-action?top&amp&__twitter_impression=true
15 point penalty should do it.[emoji3]

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[KDY Hibs]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/hearts-and-thistle-charged-by-sfa-over-court-action?top&amp&__twitter_impression=true
15 point penalty should do it.[emoji3]

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Throw the rats out.

[grunt]

Brilliant.

How long till we find out that outcome of that?Hearing 6 August.

[Tambo]

Partick must be thinking wtf have we done lol 8 million fine and 15 points deduction for hearts slap on the wrist for partick.

[HoboHarry]

Fantastic. A 15 point penalty for Partick and a 25 point penalty for the Gorgie scruffs for being the ringleader will suffice. That should keep them down another year. :faf:

[SteveHFC]

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2-3-4

[Bostonhibby]

Budge is going to have to sue Partick for dragging them into this mess, there's no one else left to threaten and bully.

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[Springbank]

Hearts & Partick breach rule 78....To misquote the 90s pop group Steps and their chart topping hit 5-6-7-8

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/07/14/hearts-could-see-scottish-fa-membership-revoked-following-charge-from-court-of-session/

My Saughton Jambo baby is drivin' me crazy
And Leslie Deans the lawyer - my court room date
My 4 foot Seven romeo, a Jambo Gett from head to toe
You got it wrong, gona sing this song:
Why breach 78?

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2-3-4I'm guessing the gist of the argument is they can't do more than one thing at a time?

As evidenced by the construction of the not quite finished megastand

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[007]

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2-3-4

Stupid idiots. Break the rules and face the consequences.

They are at Hampden today with the arbitration underway, according to PLZ Soccer. At least I think that's what they said, only half listening.

[Keith_M]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-partick-thistle-hit-sfa-22354849

Expel them!

You know you want to :greengrin

[Cabbage East]

Brought this all on themselves. Rot.

[PatHead]

Statement from Hearts. So much for no comment.

[Keith_M]

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2-3-4


Right, who had 'incredulous' on the Statement Bingo?


Methinks "Mrs Doctor 'successful businesswoman' Budge" has swallowed a dictionary.

[KingPat4]

Hearts & Partick Thistle charged by SFA for relegation legal case - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53405293

[Since452]

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2-3-4

What are they banging on about now? Lol

[CraigHibee]

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2-3-4

**** hearts, hearts want to make the rules up as they go along

[Sergio sledge]

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2-3-4

Wasn't Ann Budge proudly proclaiming she was able to multi-task earlier on in this saga? Preparing her defence to this charge shouldn't be a problem for her ...

[KingPat4]

Incredulous. What ****ing planet do they live on?

[weecounty hibby]

Throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out

[Daniel 1875]

Right, who had 'incredulous' on the Statement Bingo?


Methinks "Mrs Doctor 'successful businesswoman' Budge" has swallowed a dictionary.

Double points if you also had ‘oppressive’?

[RoxburghHibs]

Throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out


Sorry but are you suggesting they should be thrown out?

[Col2]

Fantastic. A 15 point penalty for Partick and a 25 point penalty for the Gorgie scruffs for being the ringleader will suffice. That should keep them down another year. :faf:

With Jobbie Neilson in charge they might not escape League One 👍

[Slateford Hibee]

How are they involved in arbitration, surely they are just waiting for the result?

[HoboHarry]

Well they've been paying attention to the statements from their ugly big brothers in Govan using big huge wurdz like "incredulous".....

[GreenCastle]

Of course this was going to happen.

Did they really think they could throw the toys out the pram several times and get away with it.

Hope both clubs get hammered and I would chuck the other huns in there too after their nonsense a few months ago.

As for multi tasking...Budge quote on 9th May..

She said: “This is incredibly sanctimonious, suggesting as it does that those of us involved in looking at this issue are failing to recognise what ‘the real issues’ are. Or that we are all incapable of considering more than one challenge at a time. Speaking for myself, I am pretty good at multi-tasking.”

[weecounty hibby]

Sorry but are you suggesting they should be thrown out?

It's the only fair decision that I can see!!

[CapitalGreen]

Hearts and Partick “incredulous” that the rules they agreed to play under are being enforced.

[RoxburghHibs]

It's the only fair decision that I can see!!


Totally agree. I was just wanting clarification if that was your point :greengrin :aok:

[Kojock]

I'm guessing the gist of the argument is they can't do more than one thing at a time?

As evidenced by the construction of the not quite finished megastand

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Not true on 9th May Budgie stated in an interview that she was pretty good at multitasking. The woman’s lost the plot. 😂

She said: “This is incredibly sanctimonious, suggesting as it does that those of us involved in looking at this issue are failing to recognise what ‘the real issues’ are. Or that we are all incapable of considering more than one challenge at a time. Speaking for myself, I am pretty good at multi-tasking.”

[KingPat4]

Has Scottish Football become a game for academics? Why don't those clowns speak normally?

[007]

Wasn't Ann Budge proudly proclaiming she was able to multi-task earlier on in this saga? Preparing her defence to this charge shouldn't be a problem for her ...

Was about to post the same. 👍 Hope they get hammered for it.

Not exactly helping their case by throwing out accusations of being oppressed. Budge is a master of the knee-jerk reaction and rubbing people up the wrong way that she needs to get on board. Just like she did with reconstruction and just like she did with the players and wage cuts.

[Mikey]

They won't be expelled, but they should both be sent down to League 2 with Falkirk and Airdrie going up to the Championship and Edinburgh City and Elgin going up to league 1.

If they aren't dealt with properly there will be no deterrent for others.

[Lago]

Amazing that one of the smaller clubs is first to stand up for these guys....delighted to see it . Could do with similar leadership from our club and other top league clubs


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Becoming more and more enamored with Lalchlan Cameron & Ayr Utd👍

[RoxburghHibs]

Points deduction?

[PatHead]

They won't be expelled, but they should both be sent down to League 2 with Falkirk and Airdrie going up to the Championship and Edinburgh City and Elgin going up to league 1.

If they aren't dealt with properly there will be no deterrent for others.

Too kind. A £10m fine and a 1000 point deduction with the balance to be carried forward every season.

[Since452]

Pleasing as they say

[RoxburghHibs]

Too kind. A £10m fine and a 1000 point deduction with the balance to be carried forward every season.

Still think that's a little on the "getting off lightly" side.

[PatHead]

Still think that's a little on the "getting off light" side.

Was trying to be fair. They should clear the deduction in about 30 years.

[aljo7-0]

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. :faf::faf:

You reap what you sow. Hell mend you Jamboids

[neil7908]

This really is the gift that keeps on giving.

[Steven79]

This is costing me a fortune in booze.

I should sue Hearts...

:thumbsup:

[HoboHarry]

Neil Doncaster must be very sure of his legal footing in opening this case whilst arbitration is still on-going....

[flash]

Neil Doncaster must be very sure of his legal footing in opening this case whilst arbitration is still on-going....

Nothing to do with him.

[Mon Dieu4]

Neil Doncaster must be very sure of his legal footing in opening this case whilst arbitration is still on-going....

This is nothing to do with Doncaster, they've broken the SFA rules so are being dealt accordingly

[brog]

Neil Doncaster must be very sure of his legal footing in opening this case whilst arbitration is still on-going....

Doncaster has SFA to do with this!😁

[greenpaper55]

Neil Doncaster must be very sure of his legal footing in opening this case whilst arbitration is still on-going....

I think it's the SFA not the SPFL who have brought the charges.

[brog]

Of course this was going to happen.

Did they really think they could throw the toys out the pram several times and get away with it.

Hope both clubs get hammered and I would chuck the other huns in there too after their nonsense a few months ago.

As for multi tasking...Budge quote on 9th May..

She said: “This is incredibly sanctimonious, suggesting as it does that those of us involved in looking at this issue are failing to recognise what ‘the real issues’ are. Or that we are all incapable of considering more than one challenge at a time. Speaking for myself, I am pretty good at multi-tasking.”

Beat me to it! She may be good at multitasking but she's got a memory like a sieve!

[HoboHarry]

I think it's the SFA not the SPFL who have brought the charges.
Ok, SFA/whotheferkever - they are all heroes lol.....

[PatHead]

I think it's the SFA not the SPFL who have brought the charges.

Rod from his sickbed.

[007]

I think it's the SFA not the SPFL who have brought the charges.

Doncaster is also on the SFA board.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/organisation/strategy-structure/who-we-are/board-committees/#:~:text=The%20main%20Board%20consists%20of,Ana%20 Stewart%20and%20Malcolm%20Kpedekpo.

[neil7908]

Hearts are just a total shambles.

All the money spent on lawyers, and with legal supremo Leslie Dean's involved, I can't believe no one has told Budge that they would be breaking these rules when the whole of Hibs.net could have warned this would happen.

[Hibs90]

:faf

[RyeSloan]

Incredulous at the most obvious outcome of doing something expressly prohibited in the rules....they really are pretty damn dumb.

This relegation of theirs has been quite superb!

[MrSmith]

Wonder if this is the compensation compromise?

'Accept the ruling or you will face severe sanctions.'

Would make sense to me as could stop this farce in its tracks.

[PatHead]

Incredulous at the most obvious outcome of doing something expressly prohibited in the rules....they really are pretty damn dumb.

This relegation of theirs has been quite superb!

A gift that keeps on giving.

[JohnMcM]

They won't be expelled, but they should both be sent down to League 2 with Falkirk and Airdrie going up to the Championship and Edinburgh City and Elgin going up to league 1.

If they aren't dealt with properly there will be no deterrent for others.

There's a certain ring of justice well served with this thought.

[Vault Boy]

Very (and I can't stress this enough) funny.

[hibbyfraelibby]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/hearts-and-thistle-charged-by-sfa-over-court-action?top&amp&__twitter_impression=true
15 point penalty should do it.[emoji3]

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...retrospectively applied to last years standings?😉

[GlesgaeHibby]

Please tell me the documentary cameras are still filming.

If so, this will clean up at the BAFTA's next year. Can't wait for it to air!

Yet another shambolic decision presided over by successful businesswoman Ann Budge.

[Bostonhibby]

Not true on 9th May Budgie stated in an interview that she was pretty good at multitasking. The woman’s lost the plot. [emoji23]

She said: “This is incredibly sanctimonious, suggesting as it does that those of us involved in looking at this issue are failing to recognise what ‘the real issues’ are. Or that we are all incapable of considering more than one challenge at a time. Speaking for myself, I am pretty good at multi-tasking.”She probably meant she's good at getting more than one person to follow orders simultaneously, it's all unravelling badly for them now.

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[Barney McGrew]

Relegate each of them down a division if they’re found guilty :cb

[Mikey]

She probably meant she's good at getting more than one person to follow orders simultaneously, it's all unravelling badly for them now.

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Aye, but look how that went....... "Can you order the seats, make sure the press seats are out of the rain and check the police box doesn't block anyone's view"

[HoboHarry]

Aye, but look how that went....... "Can you order the seats, make sure the press seats are out of the rain and check the police box doesn't block anyone's view"
You forgot about making sure that all of the dafties had a view of the castle and that they had a bigger stadium capacity than Hibs.........

[Irish_Steve]

Rod from his sickbed.

Never doubt the strength of the Tache lol

[mal]

Why are Hearts saying they need more time to respond to this charge? Surely they took competent legal advice before they decided to breach SFA rules and go to court? They simply need to state why they took this course of action, unless they just didn't have a clue what they were doing...

[Heisenberg]

“Free shot” looking more costly for Partick as the days go by. Shame.

[SteveHFC]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2020_07/IMG_20200714_164003.jpg.6ddf28773886420f37f2baaf27 fa4b4b.jpg

[Vault Boy]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2020_07/IMG_20200714_164003.jpg.6ddf28773886420f37f2baaf27 fa4b4b.jpg

:faf:

[Hibs Class]

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2-3-4

Pitiful. Playing to their audience, nothing more. They should have been expecting this.

[bingo70]

“Free shot” looking more costly for Partick as the days go by. Shame.

Wonder if that’s why the other team (Stranraer?) that are involved in this decided not to get involved.

[Irish_Steve]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2020_07/IMG_20200714_164003.jpg.6ddf28773886420f37f2baaf27 fa4b4b.jpg

Where's Super Nintendo Chalmers when you need him lol

[Spike Mandela]

Rangers took SFA to court over the transfer embargo delivered as an SFA sanction and Rangers won the case.

If memory serves the SFA then put the case back to disciplinary board to consider sanction for taking them to court. Rangers then under duress accepted a transfer embargo but in typical SFA fashion this started AFTER the transfer eindow shut.

[McD]

Pitiful. Playing to their audience, nothing more. They should have been expecting this.


it was nailed on, otherwise none of 2 things would happen:

1) SFA get hit with a groundswell of clubs demanding to know why the rules weren’t being applied

or

2) cue clubs doing things against the rules then using this incident to show that hearts and Partick weren’t being penalised for not adhering to the rules

[blackpoolhibs]

Looks like the maroon hound will need more of those maroon pounds soon.

[poolman]

And it's my birthday today 🥃🍺

[Since90+2]

Hearts are a laughing stock. A wee club with wee season ticket sales, a wee ground who play in the wee league.

[CB_NO3]

Could ban them from the Scottish Cup starting this season.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200714/9d39748184a5bce091d509c7e4a44b0d.plist

Did they or did they not break the rules?


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[Aldo]

I’ve actually been told by a Hearts fan that the actions taken by the SFA are illegal and unjust!

It’s not fair that they have to wait for arbitration and now this!

Boo ****ing who


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[Del Boy]

If they’re found guilty (which they clearly are) then a fine is no punishment at all, given that some benefactor is funding their legal case and so would just pay this. It has to be at least a years suspension then both clubs can apply to start again in league 2.

[Since452]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200714/9d39748184a5bce091d509c7e4a44b0d.plist

Did they or did they not break the rules?


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Scottish football isn't falling apart. Hearts are falling apart

[Aldo]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200714/9d39748184a5bce091d509c7e4a44b0d.plist

Did they or did they not break the rules?


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Murray fans of all colours are not Hearts and PT and they didn’t break the rules like they have.

Gulp it doon daftie!


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[Peevemor]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200714/9d39748184a5bce091d509c7e4a44b0d.plist

Did they or did they not break the rules?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHow many weeks ago did they start the court action? Doesn't seem like much of a priority to me.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Maybe the sanction could be to stop them using the Tinycastle for games as its pitch is not compliant and force them to play all their games away from home?

[Since452]

Exactly what they were told in court. It should have gone to arbitration. Another huge own goal by Budge. Tick tock.

[JohnMcM]

Stick with me on this as I try explain my thoughts.

They (HoMFC and PTFC) take the SPFL to court (knowingly or unknowingly) breaking the rules.

The SFA tell themselves "they are breaking the rules" and further think "regardless of the court outcome we can't let this pass without some sort of sanction".

After further thought the SFA further think "hang on a sec, that Mrs Budge and her Thistle friend are vindictive self-serving people we need to keep our powder dry, how do we sanction them without leaving ourselves open to accusations of bias?".

The day before the court case starts in the corridors of the SFA this conversation takes place.
SFA - "Rod, how are you feeling today?".
Rod - "Fine thanks, why do you ask?".
SFA - "Well it's about the court case, after it's finished we're going to do them, but with your recent connections with the good guys down Easter Road way we need you out of the way for a few weeks so we don't get accused of bias. We want to make us as bullet proof as ND has done with the SPFL handling of this situation".
Rod - "Come to think of it I do feel a bit queasy today, see you at the end of August guys".
SFA - "Well done Rod. Just like the guys and gals on Hibs.net you know it makes sense."

[bingo70]

The creation of the term ‘M8 alliance’ when talking about Hearts and Partick has been a real highlight of this whole affair for me.

[Eckythetechy]

I must be thick, or more so, Hearts n Partick go to court, against S.F.A. rules, the court tell them court is not the place for them it has to be arbitration as per S.F.A. rules, so the S.F.A. charge them for breaking the rules n they're no happy about it, I'm no happy about my parking fine for parking on double yellow lines but I was wrong

[ACLeith]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200714/9d39748184a5bce091d509c7e4a44b0d.plist

Did they or did they not break the rules?


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Team finishing bottom of top tier gets relegated? Check
Team finishing top of second tier promoted? Check
Fixtures for new season published? Check
Top tier teams started pre season? Check
Transfer window open? Check

Falling apart? Maybe in a parallel universe somewhere?

[Del Boy]

I must be thick, or more so, Hearts n Partick go to court, against S.F.A. rules, the court tell them court is not the place for them it has to be arbitration as per S.F.A. rules, so the S.F.A. charge them for breaking the rules n they're no happy about it, I'm no happy about my parking fine for parking on double yellow lines but I was wrong

Exactly. Quick look on kickback and majority of the knuckle draggers are losing their mind over this. What the hell did they think was going to happen? They’ve broke the rules. A four year old could tell you they’d be in trouble for that.

SFA better hammer them and their weegie cling ons.

[660]

Team finishing bottom of top tier gets relegated? Check
Team finishing top of second tier promoted? Check
Fixtures for new season published? Check
Top tier teams started pre season? Check
Transfer window open? Check

Falling apart? Maybe in a parallel universe somewhere?

Hearts and Rangers seem to think highly of themselves. Scottish Football armageddon/is falling apart every time their loathsome clubs have to deal with reality.

[660]

Rod Petrie has grown a magnificent lockdown beard, presumably to hide his grin as he takes down Hearts

[Eckythetechy]

Exactly. Quick look on kickback and majority of the knuckle draggers are losing their mind over this. What the hell did they think was going to happen? They’ve broke the rules. A four year old could tell you they’d be in trouble for that.

SFA better hammer them and their weegie cling ons.

Phew thought I was losing it :flag:

[Keith_M]

"On behalf of Drag Queens everywhere, we doth protest!!!!"

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article22208848.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/2_pizap-2.jpg

[Keith_M]

The creation of the term ‘M8 alliance’ when talking about Hearts and Partick has been a real highlight of this whole affair for me.


That's one of the most pathetic attempts to come up with a name they could possibly think of, but the DR are determined to keep using it.

"Alright M8?"

[Hibernianinc]

As it’s the SFA that’s bringing the charge, I assume a points deduction isn’t within their remit to impose?

Fines, or removal from cup competitions though........

😁

[Keith_M]

Throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out



Sorry but are you suggesting they should be thrown out?


Totally agree. I was just wanting clarification if that was your point :greengrin :aok:



Yeah, I wasn't entirely sure what his PoV was either. He seemed to be sitting on the fence a bit

:greengrin

[660]

“It is oppressive of them to.....” is an awful turn of phrase. They should at least get someone who can write to draft up their statements.

[Mikey]

The creation of the term ‘M8 alliance’ when talking about Hearts and Partick has been a real highlight of this whole affair for me.

Soon to be the "League 2 Alliance".

[The 90+2]

As it’s the SFA that’s bringing the charge, I assume a points deduction isn’t within their remit to impose?

Fines, or removal from cup competitions though........

😁

Aye they will chuck hearts out the semi and reinstate the team they knocked out in the quarters 🤣

[Keith_M]

Aye they will chuck hearts out the semi and reinstate the team they knocked out in the quarters 🤣


I wouldn't be surprised...

[Dr What If?]

Maybe its the 'green tinted specks' but there is more here than just breaking the rules.....not all rules are equal. COVID19 was not the fault of the SPFL or the SFA, even Dundee and their magical changing vote didn't cause it. People died, others lost their jobs, how many are at home tonight wondering how to pay the mortgage? The last 4 months have been horrible and when Joe Blogs looks at the sports pages he sees Scottish football spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on arguing about a relegation.
Yes its Them and Thistle that made the stink but that smell infects all of Scottish football. Yes they broke the rules but they have made football look so out of touch with what is happening in the real world and its frankly insulting. There will be Hearts fans out there in mourning or just scared stiff about their personal futures, what do they think of their club now?
Hearts and Thistle should be hammered and hammered bad.......then all Scottish football needs to apologise for its lack of empathy. We all know where the blame for this circus is but we are all tarred.

[makaveli1875]

Chances of them getting booted out the league are slim, Scottish football would never survive the collapse of hearts. The Maroon pound sustains us all

[Onion]

Next, we'll see the Gorgie mob taking the SFA to court :greengrin They are stupid and arrogant in equal measure. Of course the SFA was going to reprimand them for going crying to the courts, when the rules say clearly that they've got to go to arbitration.

Don't think this will have any affect on their chances of winning in arbitration :tee hee:

[Jim44]

Today’s ultimate Jambo solution:

We should look at the N Ireland league.
10 in a row - no problem
Multiple Cup wins
Champions League every season.

Arrogance personified.

[calumhibee1]

Today’s ultimate Jambo solution:

We should look at the N Ireland league.
10 in a row - no problem
Multiple Cup wins
Champions League every season.

Arrogance personified.

Is this before or after they trouser £8m from all the other Scottish clubs?

[Joe6-2]

And it's my birthday today 🥃🍺

Hahahahappy birthday 🍺

[mjhibby]

Maybe its the 'green tinted specks' but there is more here than just breaking the rules.....not all rules are equal. COVID19 was not the fault of the SPFL or the SFA, even Dundee and their magical changing vote didn't cause it. People died, others lost their jobs, how many are at home tonight wondering how to pay the mortgage? The last 4 months have been horrible and when Joe Blogs looks at the sports pages he sees Scottish football spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on arguing about a relegation.
Yes its Them and Thistle that made the stink but that smell infects all of Scottish football. Yes they broke the rules but they have made football look so out of touch with what is happening in the real world and its frankly insulting. There will be Hearts fans out there in mourning or just scared stiff about their personal futures, what do they think of their club now?
Hearts and Thistle should be hammered and hammered bad.......then all Scottish football needs to apologise for its lack of empathy. We all know where the blame for this circus is but we are all tarred.

Couldn’t have put it better myself.

[Jones28]

Today’s ultimate Jambo solution:

We should look at the N Ireland league.
10 in a row - no problem
Multiple Cup wins
Champions League every season.

Arrogance personified.

😂😂😂

Cheerio!

[The Harp Awakes]

Pitiful. Playing to their audience, nothing more. They should have been expecting this.

The question for the Hearts fans is why did Budge go through with a legal challenge, when anyone with any nous could have predicted this outcome.

I was astounded she did and it could only have been to appease the fans as she had legal advice that their chances of success were slim. The latest in a long line of big mistakes from Budge during her tenure. At what point do the fans turn on her en masse?

[007]

She probably meant she's good at getting more than one person to follow orders simultaneously, it's all unravelling badly for them now.

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She is good at f***ing up several things at once. The term onmishambles was first coined in reference to Budge. 🤭

[Wakeyhibee]

Sportsound is gonna be funny, anyone know if Tom Heartsish is on it this weekend?

[Since452]

Today’s ultimate Jambo solution:

We should look at the N Ireland league.
10 in a row - no problem
Multiple Cup wins
Champions League every season.

Arrogance personified.

I'm pretty sure they went over there and were soundly beaten last pre season

[Since452]

At least the weegie press might stop talking about Tam the kit man now

[calumhibee1]

Had a quick look on a PT forum (admittedly it doesn't look like there's much traffic on it) and their fans seem to want to just draw a line under it and prepare for next season.

In stark contrast to Hearts fans who of course want to see everybody go bust, gain millions upon millions in compensation, bring the whole of Scottish football down to the ground, jail sentences for the SFA/SPFL board etc.

[MrSmith]

Didn’t follow association process - rules created and endorsed by themselves as a member club - nor did they follow FIFA/UEFA guidance re CAS therefore, they have done this to themselves. However, the most excruciatingly embarrassing thing is, the arrogance shown by taking it to court expecting a glorious win but instead being instructed to follow the association rules & processes they created and endorsed.

[PatHead]

Didn’t follow association process - rules created and endorsed by themselves as a member club - nor did they follow FIFA/UEFA guidance re CAS therefore, they have done this to themselves. However, the most excruciatingly embarrassing thing is, the arrogance shown by taking it to court expecting a glorious win but being instructed to follow the association rules & processes they created and endorsed.

But but 5 1

[EI255]

The question for the Hearts fans is why did Budge go through with a legal challenge, when anyone with any nous could have predicted this outcome.

I was astounded she did and it could only have been to appease the fans as she had legal advice that their chances of success were slim. The latest in a long line of big mistakes from Budge during her tenure. At what point do the fans turn on her en masse?They were warned from the very beginning that they could face an SFA charge and, guess what?!!!!

Hypocritical beggers.

Tom English will be having a stroke.

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[GloryGlory]

As it’s the SFA that’s bringing the charge, I assume a points deduction isn’t within their remit to impose?

Fines, or removal from cup competitions though........

😁

Ten seasons banned out of the cups.

[660]

Didn’t follow association process - rules created and endorsed by themselves as a member club - nor did they follow FIFA/UEFA guidance re CAS therefore, they have done this to themselves. However, the most excruciatingly embarrassing thing is, the arrogance shown by taking it to court expecting a glorious win but being instructed to follow the association rules & processes they created and endorsed.

FIFA/UEFA were probably worried about the prospect of Hearts under Stendel so were part of the plan to demote them so unfairly

[Del Boy]

Didn’t follow association process - rules created and endorsed by themselves as a member club - nor did they follow FIFA/UEFA guidance re CAS therefore, they have done this to themselves. However, the most excruciatingly embarrassing thing is, the arrogance shown by taking it to court expecting a glorious win but being instructed to follow the association rules & processes they created and endorsed.

Have sympathy for the thistle fans, their idiotic board have been pulled into this by the Gorgie self entitled tubes

[Fuzzywuzzy]

"It is oppressive of them to require submissions from both clubs by 20 July when we are, in terms of their own articles of association, actively engaged in arbitration."

Now there's a brass neck moaning about them being charged while in arbitration ignoring the fact they should have gone that route in the first place🤣🤣

[MrSmith]

Have sympathy for the thistle fans, their idiotic board have been pulled into this by the Gorgie self entitled tubes

they so have unfortunately :(


FIFA/UEFA were probably worried about the prospect of Hearts under Stendel so were part of the plan to demote them so unfairly

they really threatened the Euro top clubs under Stendel lol 😆


But but 5 1

ha ha yes! Comfort blanket out 🥱

[Jim44]

Sportsound is gonna be funny, anyone know if Tom Heartsish is on it this weekend?

I’m wondering if he will pull back from total support for Budge or have the principles to go down with the sinking ship. :greengrin

[04Sauzee]

Had a quick look on a PT forum (admittedly it doesn't look like there's much traffic on it) and their fans seem to want to just draw a line under it and prepare for next season.

In stark contrast to Hearts fans who of course want to see everybody go bust, gain millions upon millions in compensation, bring the whole of Scottish football down to the ground, jail sentences for the SFA/SPFL board etc.

Seems a fair bit of chat from PT fans here

https://www.wearethistle.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/14049-court-it-is-then/page/69/#comments

[Rumble de Thump]

Whatever Budge says today, she will do the complete opposite in a few days time.

[Feed McGraw]

That's one of the most pathetic attempts to come up with a name they could possibly think of, but the DR are determined to keep using it.

"Alright M8?" Surely Heartick thistle or Part of Midlothian have better rings to them.

[WoreTheGreen]

They were warned from the very beginning that they could face an SFA charge and, guess what?!!!!

Hypocritical beggers.

Tom English will be having a stroke.

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Don’t think he can reach her

[brog]

Maybe its the 'green tinted specks' but there is more here than just breaking the rules.....not all rules are equal. COVID19 was not the fault of the SPFL or the SFA, even Dundee and their magical changing vote didn't cause it. People died, others lost their jobs, how many are at home tonight wondering how to pay the mortgage? The last 4 months have been horrible and when Joe Blogs looks at the sports pages he sees Scottish football spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on arguing about a relegation.
Yes its Them and Thistle that made the stink but that smell infects all of Scottish football. Yes they broke the rules but they have made football look so out of touch with what is happening in the real world and its frankly insulting. There will be Hearts fans out there in mourning or just scared stiff about their personal futures, what do they think of their club now?
Hearts and Thistle should be hammered and hammered bad.......then all Scottish football needs to apologise for its lack of empathy. We all know where the blame for this circus is but we are all tarred.

While I very much agree with your overall sentiments I think the bolded sentence is the problem. I'm London based so have Jamboless contact these days & my only real insight into their state of mind is what is reported 2nd hand on here from JKB. If JKB is truly representative of the greater Hearts community/support then unfortunately the answer to your question is they think their club are victims in this whole affair & it's really, I mean really not fair. Their views are symptomatic of a wider malaise in society where propaganda replaces inconvenient truths. I honestly thought that by now one of the pillars of the Edinburgh establishment would have passed on sage advice but if that has happened, say from James Anderson, then it appears that Budge et al are not listening. When you don't understand that breaking the rules of the organisation of which you're a member will result in sanctions, then your judgement & acumen are completely lacking. Budge's statements have replaced Michael Foot's manifesto as "the longest suicide note in history"!!

[rossevenil]

Stick with me on this as I try explain my thoughts.

They (HoMFC and PTFC) take the SPFL to court (knowingly or unknowingly) breaking the rules.

The SFA tell themselves "they are breaking the rules" and further think "regardless of the court outcome we can't let this pass without some sort of sanction".

After further thought the SFA further think "hang on a sec, that Mrs Budge and her Thistle friend are vindictive self-serving people we need to keep our powder dry, how do we sanction them without leaving ourselves open to accusations of bias?".

The day before the court case starts in the corridors of the SFA this conversation takes place.
SFA - "Rod, how are you feeling today?".
Rod - "Fine thanks, why do you ask?".
SFA - "Well it's about the court case, after it's finished we're going to do them, but with your recent connections with the good guys down Easter Road way we need you out of the way for a few weeks so we don't get accused of bias. We want to make us as bullet proof as ND has done with the SPFL handling of this situation".
Rod - "Come to think of it I do feel a bit queasy today, see you at the end of August guys".
SFA - "Well done Rod. Just like the guys and gals on Hibs.net you know it makes sense."

Thought the exact same lol although hopefully Mr Rod is indeed on the mend from whatever was wrong it certainly takes him out from a very sticky position as that would have been the very first accusation from those muppets.

[HoboHarry]

Don’t think he can reach her
FFS - there isn't much that will put me off my food but that thought........:jamboak:

[WoreTheGreen]

FFS - there isn't much that will put me off my food but that thought........:jamboak:

You can thank me when you reach your drinking weight

[stuart-farquhar]

Is her name really Winnie Budge?

[jax67]

How are they involved in arbitration, surely they are just waiting for the result?

That's what neilsen should have done. 😁

[Bobby's Cinema]

I was reading today about Ebbsfleet, relegated by 0.002 pts from the English national league on points per game, when they were outside the relegation zone when the season ended.

And the class of their statement, that while they are disappointed this is an unprecedented and unique situation and they are ultimately thankful for what they have.

Then you look at Hearts. Bottom of the table when the season ended, bottom of the table on points per game, bottom of the table by four points, bottom of the table in the relegation zone, relegated. Throughout all of this clearly I have missed the injustice???

They should take a long hard look at the way they have conducted themselves.

[Barney McGrew]

Let’s leave the personal attacks to weirdos on other forums please, this place won’t tolerate them.

Thanks :aok:

[Wakeyhibee]

I’m wondering if he will pull back from total support for Budge or have the principles to go down with the sinking ship. :greengrin

I actually hope he doesn't. I've no time for him on most issues, this one especially but if he actually believes what he said then he should go down with ship as you say.. lashed to the wheel :greengrin

[Del Boy]

Latest pondering from the kickback intellectuals is a cracker!!! Why are Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove not being charged by the SFA as they also went to court :not worth

Absolute ***** for brains some of that mob

[Irish_Steve]

And they want to launch the interdict as late as possible to cause maximum harm.

Do they need to go to court for that..................

[matty_f]

Latest pondering from the kickback intellectuals is a cracker!!! Why are Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove not being charged by the SFA as they also went to court :not worth

Absolute ***** for brains some of that mob
I might have to start reading that site again, some of the stuff quoted from there on here is priceless.

They’ve lost all touch with reality.

[Irish_Steve]

I might have to start reading that site again, some of the stuff quoted from there on here is priceless.

They’ve lost all touch with reality.

I wonder how the mythical 8yr old has taken the news

[660]

I might have to start reading that site again, some of the stuff quoted from there on here is priceless.

They’ve lost all touch with reality.

Just follow JKBmeltdown on Twitter. It usually has the choicest posts from there.

[Northernhibee]

Is her name really Winnie Budge?

Apparently when she took over she was asked "Will you be Ann, the chairwoman to take us to European football, bring us the biggest stand in the capital city and make us a well run, respectable football club?" and she responded "I Winnie".

[Alfred E Newman]

Let’s leave the personal attacks to weirdos on other forums please, this place won’t tolerate them.

Thanks :aok:

:top marks

[poolman]

Latest pondering from the kickback intellectuals is a cracker!!! Why are Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove not being charged by the SFA as they also went to court :not worth

Absolute ***** for brains some of that mob



jeezo, must be an eight year old that posted that

[weecounty hibby]

I was reading today about Ebbsfleet, relegated by 0.002 pts from the English national league on points per game, when they were outside the relegation zone when the season ended.

And the class of their statement, that while they are disappointed this is an unprecedented and unique situation and they are ultimately thankful for what they have.

Then you look at Hearts. Bottom of the table when the season ended, bottom of the table on points per game, bottom of the table by four points, bottom of the table in the relegation zone, relegated. Throughout all of this clearly I have missed the injustice???

They should take a long hard look at the way they have conducted themselves.

But ebbsfleet are not big and famous and won world wars, sent millions of pounds to avoid relegation. That is the main problem for the tarts. From the owner through the coaches and players to the lowliest of the fans they have an utterly mental delusion of grandeur and cannot get it into their thick heads that actually the world isn't out to get them it's just that they were dug***** all season and deserve to go down

[Irish_Steve]

Looks like the maroon pound won't be getting spent at the cup semi - more than one poster said the Fartz fans should boycott the game, one likely to be played behind closed doors - they really don't think things through, do they!

[PatHead]

But ebbsfleet are not big and famous and won world wars, sent millions of pounds to avoid relegation. That is the main problem for the tarts. From the owner through the coaches and players to the lowliest of the fans they have an utterly mental delusion of grandeur and cannot get it into their thick heads that actually the world isn't out to get them it's just that they were dug***** all season and deserve to go down

Big difference in these clubs. Ebbsfleet were a proper fan owned club unlike Hearts who are fan owned by one fan.

[PH91]

Hearts & Partick breach rule 78....To misquote the 90s pop group Steps and their chart topping hit 5-6-7-8

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/07/14/hearts-could-see-scottish-fa-membership-revoked-following-charge-from-court-of-session/

My Saughton Jambo baby is drivin' me crazy
And Leslie Deans the lawyer - my court room date
My 4 foot Seven romeo, a Jambo Gett from head to toe
You got it wrong, gona sing this song:
Why breach 78?

Hahaha. Will be singing that in my head all night now.

[matty_f]

I wonder how the mythical 8yr old has taken the news

:faf: he might start cheating with his water gun again.

[matty_f]

Just follow JKBmeltdown on Twitter. It usually has the choicest posts from there.

I do - it’s a great account to follow!

[CraigHibee]

Yep, all wasted. Romanovs money, all wasted. Beny Factors money, all wasted.
Absolute car crash of a club.

Which beggar's belief why anyone would want to invest in that shower of ***** given their track record

[hibby rae]

Just follow JKBmeltdown on Twitter. It usually has the choicest posts from there.

It's fantastic. Like this gem from yesterday:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jkbmeltdown/status/1282743754114334720

[660]

It's fantastic. Like this gem from yesterday:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jkbmeltdown/status/1282743754114334720

It’s difficult to find the best one to be honest. Look at this belter

https://twitter.com/JKBmeltdown/status/1282748750159646720

[007]

Latest pondering from the kickback intellectuals is a cracker!!! Why are Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove not being charged by the SFA as they also went to court :not worth

Absolute ***** for brains some of that mob

Brainwashed by Budge where in the laughable statement she criticised the 3 promoted clubs for asking others for financial help when she also said they didn't have to go to court it was their choice to do so. Jambo logic then turns that into the 3 promoted clubs being as guilty as Hearts for rule breaking.

[O'Rourke3]

It’s difficult to find the best one to be honest. Look at this belter

https://twitter.com/JKBmeltdown/status/1282748750159646720That one has to be one of us. Its priceless.

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[007]

That one has to be one of us. Its priceless.

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Some of them are actually daft enough to believe that.

[660]

That one has to be one of us. Its priceless.

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I think the ones about the Somme were my favourite. Classics of the genre.

[Bristolhibby]

I was reading today about Ebbsfleet, relegated by 0.002 pts from the English national league on points per game, when they were outside the relegation zone when the season ended.

And the class of their statement, that while they are disappointed this is an unprecedented and unique situation and they are ultimately thankful for what they have.

Then you look at Hearts. Bottom of the table when the season ended, bottom of the table on points per game, bottom of the table by four points, bottom of the table in the relegation zone, relegated. Throughout all of this clearly I have missed the injustice???

They should take a long hard look at the way they have conducted themselves.

Read that article as well. Was going to post the link. Total class.

J

[Dashing Bob S]

Today’s ultimate Jambo solution:

We should look at the N Ireland league.
10 in a row - no problem
Multiple Cup wins
Champions League every season.

Arrogance personified.

Got to hand it to those cretins. Just when their whingeing becomes tedious they invariably find new ways to amuse me.

[hibsbollah]

Got to hand it to those cretins. Just when their whingeing becomes tedious they invariably find new ways to amuse me.

I can’t see them joining the Northern Ireland league, I think their sights are set further afield. This is how I see next season going for them;

Atlantic League Season 20/21
Final Table

Isle of Man United (champions)
Finisterre
Bermuda Triangle XI
St Kilda United
Craggy Island over 80s (relegation playoff)
Heart of Midlothian FC (relegated)

[tamig]

Don’t think he can reach her

😂

[FilipinoHibs]

I do - it’s a great account to follow!

Is it run by Hibs fans who pick out the most absurd posts from SickBag ?

[matty_f]

Is it run by Hibs fans who pick out the most absurd posts from SickBag ?

Not sure who runs it, but they do a grand job.

[wookie70]

Is it run by Hibs fans who pick out the most absurd posts from SickBag ?
That is my understanding. When the delusion is distilled into one place it really highlights how many total wallopers are Hearts fans. The only page I really look at on Twitter