Jambos Legal Challenge

[FilipinoHibs]

The NAS may currently be outperforming his fund but he will be way ahead on his 5year + numbers. His funds are also actively managed, in times like these you will do much better with an active manager this is what the fee’s are for. JA has made a lot of money for a lot of people and knows what he’s doing regarding investment.

In sterling terms the NASDAQ 100 is ahead of his fund. He outperforms the benchmarks because he has bigger holdings in tech stocks than the benchmark. But when you compare his tech stocks to a tech only stock index he underperformed. The depreciation of the pound helps to - down 25% over 5 years. He got the sector right but stock selection was not the best. I would say a difficult sector to pick winners. I would prefer an Tech Index fund and pay low fees. Over the long run almost impossible to beat.

[Orchard_Hibs]

In sterling terms the NASDAQ 100 is ahead of his fund. He outperforms the benchmarks because he has bigger holdings in tech stocks than the benchmark. But when you compare his tech stocks to a tech only stock index he underperformed. The depreciation of the pound helps to - down 25% over 5 years. He got the sector right but stock selection was not the best. I would say a difficult sector to pick winners. I would prefer an Tech Index fund and pay low fees. Over the long run almost impossible to beat.

Diversification is key, you should never have all your holdings in one sector, consumer staples is the place to be right now, and healthcare😂

[Irish_Steve]

She might be a big investor in one of his funds.

I think you are correct in that one, I`m sure I read that somewhere

[Andy74]

In sterling terms the NASDAQ 100 is ahead of his fund. He outperforms the benchmarks because he has bigger holdings in tech stocks than the benchmark. But when you compare his tech stocks to a tech only stock index he underperformed. The depreciation of the pound helps to - down 25% over 5 years. He got the sector right but stock selection was not the best. I would say a difficult sector to pick winners. I would prefer an Tech Index fund and pay low fees. Over the long run almost impossible to beat.

The whole Baillie Gifford approach though is to invest in companies they fundamentally believe in and then stick with them long term. They don’t worry too much about picking winners over short term or adjusting too much for current conditions.

[FilipinoHibs]

Back on subject, should SPFl not make their reply to the Hearts citation today? Think will be more low key and measured.

[FilipinoHibs]

The whole Baillie Gifford approach though is to invest in companies they fundamentally believe in and then stick with them long term. They don’t worry too much about picking winners over short term or adjusting too much for current conditions.

Over 5 years u underperformed broader tech stocks. According to somebody else here they switched out of Apple into Tesla that must have been a bumper ride.

[green day]

This isnt good for Budgies case...........

https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/1275365714195550208?s=20

[GreenPJ]

Over 5 years u underperformed broader tech stocks. According to somebody else here they switched out of Apple into Tesla that must have been a bumper ride.

I would rather have been in Tesla for the last 3 years than Apple personally.

[FilipinoHibs]

I would rather have been in Tesla for the last 3 years than Apple personally.

Flat for four years then sharply up, then down, then up.

[FilipinoHibs]

This isnt good for Budgies case...........

https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/1275365714195550208?s=20



Court suspended relegation and asked league to look at top two leagues' organisation. I believe the two relegated teams have gone back to court.

[JOD]

SPFL Trust has confirmed that all42clubs
have applied for and received their 50k.
3clubs have donated it to their own charitable trusts namely Celtic Aberdeen and Kilmarnock.

[Waxy]

Diversification is key, you should never have all your holdings in one sector, consumer staples is the place to be right now, and healthcare😂

Tins of spam and paracetamol?

[FilipinoHibs]

Diversification is key, you should never have all your holdings in one sector, consumer staples is the place to be right now, and healthcare😂

Yes maybe 3 months ago but the market thinks we are opening up and economy will recover. Everything is up but I predict a July bloodbath.

[Keith_M]

Can we maybe move the stocks and shares advice to another thread?

[Peevemor]

Court suspended relegation and asked league to look at top two leagues' organisation. I believe the two relegated teams have gone back to court.

The 20 team top league forms part of an agreement between the French league (LFP) & the French FA (FFF). This agreement was due to be renewed around about now (today is the LFP's AGM) but was largely expected to be a rubber stamp on the status quo - which has turned out to be the case. However, it's only because the agreement was up for renewal that the French court saw league reconstruction as a possibility and asked te league to look into it.

As it stands the French clubs have now voted for the status quo and to promote and relegate clubs in excatly tthe same way as has been done here.

As said above, it definitely does awaay with one of HMFC's arguments.

Amiens have said that they'll take things futher - how and where I don't know.

[Waxy]

The 20 team top league forms part of an agreement between the French league (LFP) & the French FA (FFF). This agreement was due to be renewed around about now (today is the LFP's AGM) but was largely expected to be a rubber stamp on the status quo - which has turned out to be the case. However, it's only because the agreement was up for renewal that the French court saw league reconstruction as a possibility and asked te league to look into it.

As it stands the French clubs have now voted for the status quo and to promote and relegate clubs in excatly tthe same way as has been done here.

As said above, it definitely does awaay with one of HMFC's arguments.

Amiens have said that they'll take things futher - how and where I don't know.That might be it, they might be down and not come back up forever, amiens.

[greenpaper55]

That might be it, they might be down and not come back up forever, amiens.

Groan ! quite good though.

[CropleyWasGod]

SPFL Trust has confirmed that all42clubs
have applied for and received their 50k.
3clubs have donated it to their own charitable trusts namely Celtic Aberdeen and Kilmarnock.

That's quite a quick turnaround between the announcement, the call for applications, the application process itself, the consideration of the applications and the payment.

I'd be interested in how the clubs framed their "community purpose" and how the SPFLT defined it. The 3 clubs mentioned are obvious, but I'm intrigued about the others.

[green day]

That's quite a quick turnaround between the announcement, the call for applications, the application process itself, the consideration of the applications and the payment.

I'd be interested in how the clubs framed their "community purpose" and how the SPFLT defined it. The 3 clubs mentioned are obvious, but I'm intrigued about the others.

They also said in a separate tweet that another 17 clubs had confirmed that the money was used to buy Covid testing equipment for players AND community use.

Some less enlightened (Celtic fans.....) might be using their first tweet as a "ha, look at Rangers, just pocketing the money" when in fact it was all for Covid / Community use.

[Keith_M]

That's quite a quick turnaround between the announcement, the call for applications, the application process itself, the consideration of the applications and the payment.

I'd be interested in how the clubs framed their "community purpose" and how the SPFLT defined it. The 3 clubs mentioned are obvious, but I'm intrigued about the others.


My suspicion was always that every club was going to get the money and the conditions for clubs qualifying wouldn't exactly be very strict, e.g. "we provide 'care in the community' by giving five thousand social misfits somewhere to go on a saturday".

The turnaround time of handing out the money, plus the fact that no club was turned down, kind of backs that up.

[CropleyWasGod]

They also said in a separate tweet that another 17 clubs had confirmed that the money was used to buy Covid testing equipment for players AND community use.

Some less enlightened (Celtic fans.....) might be using their first tweet as a "ha, look at Rangers, just pocketing the money" when in fact it was all for Covid / Community use.

Ta. That makes sense for those who are back at training now, and maybe the full-time clubs in the Championship.

I have no idea how much that kind of equipment costs. Presumably, there's ongoing costs as well. Anyone?

[Peevemor]

My suspicion was always that every club was going to get the money and the conditions for clubs qualifying wouldn't exactly be very strict, e.g. "we provide 'care in the community' by giving five thousand social misfits somewhere to go on a saturday".

The turnaround time of handing out the money, plus the fact that no club was turned down, kind of backs that up.

Yep, I'd imagine that instead of having to put a dossier together there was probably a form to fill in with boxes to be ticked.

[green day]

Ta. That makes sense for those who are back at training now, and maybe the full-time clubs in the Championship.

I have no idea how much that kind of equipment costs. Presumably, there's ongoing costs as well. Anyone?

I am sure Roy McGregor said £35-£40k to buy when interviewed.

No idea ongoing costs

[Blaster]

I am sure Roy McGregor said £35-£40k to buy when interviewed.

No idea ongoing costs

In terms of testing he said around £3k per week. 30 players / staff being tested twice a week at £50 per test

[007]

The 20 team top league forms part of an agreement between the French league (LFP) & the French FA (FFF). This agreement was due to be renewed around about now (today is the LFP's AGM) but was largely expected to be a rubber stamp on the status quo - which has turned out to be the case. However, it's only because the agreement was up for renewal that the French court saw league reconstruction as a possibility and asked te league to look into it.

As it stands the French clubs have now voted for the status quo and to promote and relegate clubs in excatly tthe same way as has been done here.

As said above, it definitely does awaay with one of HMFC's arguments.

Amiens have said that they'll take things futher - how and where I don't know.

So much for the court ordering them to do reconstruction as many Jambos claim. This proves it was just a request.

Where is left for Amiens to take it? Leslie Deans? 😃

[CropleyWasGod]

I am sure Roy McGregor said £35-£40k to buy when interviewed.

No idea ongoing costs


In terms of testing he said around £3k per week. 30 players / staff being tested twice a week at £50 per test

Cheers.

In that light, there's probably little argument about the community element.

I'm now intrigued as to why the other clubs gave the money to their Foundations. Perhaps they'll take over the testing element, and extend it to the wider community?

[green day]

Cheers.

In that light, there's probably little argument about the community element.

I'm now intrigued as to why the other clubs gave the money to their Foundations. Perhaps they'll take over the testing element, and extend it to the wider community?

Good PR :dunno:

[O'Rourke3]

Amiens have said that they'll take things futher - how and where I don't know.

Simples, waiting for the famous to famously win fame by bringing a successful mendatious claim for expulsion be agreed legally as relegation, shutting up all the noise - well except for all the paralytic legals on KB.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Good PR :dunno:

So why the F didn't we do that? Again, Aberdeen have shown themselves to be so far ahead of us........

(or something like that..... :greengrin)

[green day]

So why the F didn't we do that? Again, Aberdeen have shown themselves to be so far ahead of us........

(or something like that..... :greengrin)

I am only surprised that those kind of comments havent emerged as yet.....:thumbsup:

I actually thought it was obvious that many clubs would use the money to buy testing equipment for dual use within the community - thereby fulfilling the terms and helping themselves as well.

There will no doubt be some of what youngsters call "virtue signalling" about those 3 clubs sending it via their foundations, but the end result will probably be the same.

[Peevemor]

So much for the court ordering them to do reconstruction as many Jambos claim. This proves it was just a request.

Where is left for Amiens to take it? Leslie Deans? 😃

Maître le Slie de Ans, s'il vous plaît!

[LALthehibeeGAL]

Amiens have said that they'll take things futher - how and where I don't know.[/QUOTE]

to be fair I think they really do have a case unlike our neighbours who are sitting on their own at the bottom. - Amiens are 10 points off the bottom so I think they have a case for possibly changing for this season only to one down one up.

Lal:agree:

[nonshinyfinish]

to be fair I think they really do have a case unlike our neighbours who are sitting on their own at the bottom. - Amiens are 10 points off the bottom so I think they have a case for possibly changing for this season only to one down one up.

Lal:agree:

Not really, they're in an automatic relegation place four points behind the team above. It's pretty much identical to Hearts' position.

Ditching playoffs can be justified on logistical grounds, but I can't see how it would be fair to relegate only one of the two teams sitting in automatic relegation places (and likewise deny promotion to whoever is in the second automatic promotion place).

[we are hibs]

https://www.docdroid.net/xcy36g8/petition-of-heart-of-midlothian-football-club-and-another-p-20-petition-pdf

[CropleyWasGod]

https://www.docdroid.net/xcy36g8/petition-of-heart-of-midlothian-football-club-and-another-p-20-petition-pdf

I hadn't realised that Stranraer are being "pursued" as well.

Why is that?

[JimBHibees]

I hadn't realised that Stranraer are being "pursued" as well.

Why is that?

Don't understand that as they will be relegated anyway.

What is it they are pursuing from the other teams, not to be promoted, not sure I understand the reasoning.

[CropleyWasGod]

Don't understand that as they will be relegated anyway.

What is it they are pursuing from the other teams, not to be promoted, not sure I understand the reasoning.

All I can think of is "if you are not with us, you are against us". It's like "you wouldn't join our gang, so F you".

[Andy74]

Don't understand that as they will be relegated anyway.

What is it they are pursuing from the other teams, not to be promoted, not sure I understand the reasoning.

I think they were served a copy because the remedy they are looking for is to stop all promotions and relegations.

[LALthehibeeGAL]

Not really, they're in an automatic relegation place four points behind the team above. It's pretty much identical to Hearts' position.

Ditching playoffs can be justified on logistical grounds, but I can't see how it would be fair to relegate only one of the two teams sitting in automatic relegation places (and likewise deny promotion to whoever is in the second automatic promotion place).

yeah but I can understand where their complaint comes from but the bottom line is really if you don't want to get relegated make sure you are not in a dangerous position in the league just in case etc. but we all know that lot refuse to accept it is their fault they are sitting bottom of the league 4 points adrift - it's all everyone else's fault.

I just want football to start back and did at first think it was a bit unfair but they have really irked me now with their sense of we are such a big team etc.

never used to loathe them as much as their bigger sisters in the west but I think they have succeeded in making them equally vile

Sadly though whatever happens now will favour them more than anyone and cause unrest I feel they have been appalling in using this killer pandemic as an excuse for their demise

I didn't think I would but I would now love it if they were expelled completely but it will never happen

Lal :agree:

[tamig]

Sadly though whatever happens now will favour them more than anyone and cause unrest I feel they have been appalling in using this killer pandemic as an excuse for their demise

I didn't think I would but I would now love it if they were expelled completely but it will never happen

Lal :agree:

Sorry, but why do you think that? If they lose the case and receive no compensation why would they come out of it better than anyone else?

[007]

I hadn't realised that Stranraer are being "pursued" as well.

Why is that?

They're not. It describes them as one if the other members liable to be affected, as opposed to Hearts and Partick who are the Petitioners.

"the four other 4 Members liable to be affected by the orders sought, namely Dundee United FC, Raith Rovers FC, Stranraer FC and Cove Rangers FC."

[CropleyWasGod]

They're not. It describes them as one if the other members liable to be affected, as opposed to Hearts and Partick who are the Petitioners.

"the four other 4 Members liable to be affected by the orders sought, namely Dundee United FC, Raith Rovers FC, Stranraer FC and Cove Rangers FC."

Ta....

It does name them as "respondents", though.

"The respondents are (i) the Company; and (ii) the four other 4 Members liable to be affected by the orders sought, namely Dundee United FC, Raith Rovers FC, Stranraer FCand Cove Rangers FC."

Does that mean that, through no fault of their own, they have to "respond" and incur costs?


(this is important. My other half is a Rovers fan, and I need it in plain English.....:greengrin.... or, indeed, Fife )

[greenginger]

https://www.docdroid.net/xcy36g8/petition-of-heart-of-midlothian-football-club-and-another-p-20-petition-pdf


I see from from the end of the document they are using Gilson Gray Solicitors . I thought their solicitors were DLA Piper , maybe they didn’t want to touch it :confused:

[Del Boy]

Ta....

It does name them as "respondents", though.

"The respondents are (i) the Company; and (ii) the four other 4 Members liable to be affected by the orders sought, namely Dundee United FC, Raith Rovers FC, Stranraer FCand Cove Rangers FC."

Does that mean that, through no fault of their own, they have to "respond" and incur costs?


(this is important. My other half is a Rovers fan, and I need this in plain English.....:greengrin.... or, indeed, Fife )

yes, apparently costing the three league winners over £30k each. Scandalous. Defending themselves for being the best team in their leagues and being told they were promoted after an SPFL vote.

[Future17]

https://www.docdroid.net/xcy36g8/petition-of-heart-of-midlothian-football-club-and-another-p-20-petition-pdf

"...the Members...exercised that voting power in a manner amounting to oppression of a minority..." :rolleyes:

[CropleyWasGod]

"...the Members...exercised that voting power in a manner amounting to oppression of a minority..." :rolleyes:

#HeartsLivesMatter.

[mutley]

"...the Members...exercised that voting power in a manner amounting to oppression of a minority..." :rolleyes:

So does that mean that every democratic vote that goes with the majority is now oppressing minorities ??


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[Moulin Yarns]

(this is important. My other half is a Rovers fan, and I need it in plain English.....:greengrin.... or, indeed, Fife )

You are professor Jo Sharp and I claim my golden dagger 😉

[CropleyWasGod]

You are professor Jo Sharp and I claim my golden dagger 😉

:not worth Nice one.

I had to Google that.... which suggests you're wrong.

But then again I may be bluffing..... :greengrin

[Sammy7nil]

So does that mean that every democratic vote that goes with the majority is now oppressing minorities ??


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Yup maybe we should have those with the fewest votes win the day so they don't feel oppressed ? A whole new twist on tactical voting :greengrin

[MacGruber]

So on top of the £8 million compensation they want interest at 8% p.a. from the date of the first order. That's over £12K a week in interest...

[Sammy7nil]

So on top of the £8 million compensation they want interest at 8% p.a. from the date of the first order. That's over £12K a week in interest...

They think it is a PPI claim :greengrin

[Joe6-2]

They think it is a PPI claim :greengrin

Pi sh Poor Idiots

[Coco Bryce]

Dundee Utd should sue them for £8m

[Numptie]

SPFL to respond by 5pm on Thursday. 7 working days.

[Springbank]

SPFL to respond by 5pm on Thursday. 7 working days.

For some top trolling heres hoping the Fixture list is to be released 15 minutes before the court reply?

[jeffers]

I've not read the whole petition but a few bits stood out.

That rules C14 and C17 of the Rules provide, respectively, as follows:

“C14 The Clubs for the time being entitled in terms of these Rules to participate in the Premiership shall, disregarding any abandoned or postponed matches, play in 38 League Matches in any one Season.”

“C17 At the end of each Season (following completion of all League Matches in the Premiership in that Season) the Club in position 12 in the Premiership shall be relegated to play and be eligible to participate in the Championship for and during the next Season.”

I'm no lawyer but I read it that the crux of their case is that 38 games weren't played, however earlier in the petition it states:

Rule A4 of the Rules defines “Season” as: “the period of the year commencing on the date of the first League Match in a Season and ending on the date of the last League Match of the same Season or otherwise as determined by the Board and which includes the Close Season.”

I guess they will argue that it gives the board the right to end the season early but it doesn't mean it can be done without teams playing 38 games, whereas I'm sure the SPFL will argue their right to end the season early could result in not all games being played.

[matty_f]

I've not read the whole petition but a few bits stood out.

That rules C14 and C17 of the Rules provide, respectively, as follows:

“C14 The Clubs for the time being entitled in terms of these Rules to participate in the Premiership shall, disregarding any abandoned or postponed matches, play in 38 League Matches in any one Season.”

“C17 At the end of each Season (following completion of all League Matches in the Premiership in that Season) the Club in position 12 in the Premiership shall be relegated to play and be eligible to participate in the Championship for and during the next Season.”

I'm no lawyer but I read it that the crux of their case is that 38 games weren't played, however earlier in the petition it states:

Rule A4 of the Rules defines “Season” as: “the period of the year commencing on the date of the first League Match in a Season and ending on the date of the last League Match of the same Season or otherwise as determined by the Board and which includes the Close Season.”

I guess they will argue that it gives the board the right to end the season early but it doesn't mean it can be done without teams playing 38 games, whereas I'm sure the SPFL will argue their right to end the season early could result in not all games being played.

The 'otherwise determined by the board' is the key part here.

This would cover a range of scenarios - for example, let's say The Rangers died mid-way through the season and were unable to fulfill their fixtures, the board would be able to end the season without each club having played 38 games.

Or, if a global pandemic meant that finishing the season was impossible, the league could be finished without 38 games being played.

[CockneyRebel]

So on top of the £8 million compensation they want interest at 8% p.a. from the date of the first order. That's over £12K a week in interest...

You get a better deal with Wonga!

[GordonHFC]

If they win their case and get reinstated into the Premier League can Stendel sue them for wrongful dismissal?

[Waxy]

I've not read the whole petition but a few bits stood out.

That rules C14 and C17 of the Rules provide, respectively, as follows:

“C14 The Clubs for the time being entitled in terms of these Rules to participate in the Premiership shall, disregarding any abandoned or postponed matches, play in 38 League Matches in any one Season.”

“C17 At the end of each Season (following completion of all League Matches in the Premiership in that Season) the Club in position 12 in the Premiership shall be relegated to play and be eligible to participate in the Championship for and during the next Season.”

I'm no lawyer but I read it that the crux of their case is that 38 games weren't played, however earlier in the petition it states:

Rule A4 of the Rules defines “Season” as: “the period of the year commencing on the date of the first League Match in a Season and ending on the date of the last League Match of the same Season or otherwise as determined by the Board and which includes the Close Season.”

I guess they will argue that it gives the board the right to end the season early but it doesn't mean it can be done without teams playing 38 games, whereas I'm sure the SPFL will argue their right to end the season early could result in not all games being played.If it did go the way hearts want then the SPFL would be forced to finish the season.Its an impossible arguement for hearts and proves the SPFL did the correct thing.

[leithsansiro]

If it did go the way hearts want then the SPFL would be forced to finish the season.Its an impossible arguement for hearts and proves the SPFL did the correct thing.

That would be funny. Imagine the outcry if Hearts forced the SPFL into playing the "remaining" games and still got relegated anyway. I'm sure Dear Ann would still fathom a court case of unfair sportsmanship or some such nonsense out of that scenario.

[Jim44]

That would be funny. Imagine the outcry if Hearts forced the SPFL into playing the "remaining" games and still got relegated anyway. I'm sure Dear Ann would still fathom a court case of unfair sportsmanship or some such nonsense out of that scenario.

How would we and most other teams cope, player wise now, if the decision was taken to finish the league?

[Waxy]

That would be funny. Imagine the outcry if Hearts forced the SPFL into playing the "remaining" games and still got relegated anyway. I'm sure Dear Ann would still fathom a court case of unfair sportsmanship or some such nonsense out of that scenario.Well that seems to be hearts arguement.So if they won then surely they couldnt accept any situation where the SPFL didnt play all 38 games?

[Waxy]

How would we and most other teams cope, player wise now, if the decision was taken to finish the league?Thats why it wont happen and the SPFL will win.Common sense and sporting merit have been met.

[matty_f]

How would we and most other teams cope, player wise now, if the decision was taken to finish the league?

They couldn't roll back that decision - players have left contracts, the teams aren't physically ready to resume football and any attempt to finish last season's games would impede plans for the coming season.

The damage that would do would be huge.

[Sammy7nil]

It is no surprise Lawyers and QC's are very well paid and make lots of money.

Kickback -"SPFL have no case and will not risk this being heard in Court " Massive Hearts victory.

Hibs.net - "Hearts and the Budgie are deluded they have no case the Sheriff will throw the case out" Massive Hearts defeat.

Meantime the QC's admin staff are working overtime calculating the invoice.

[Andy74]

They couldn't roll back that decision - players have left contracts, the teams aren't physically ready to resume football and any attempt to finish last season's games would impede plans for the coming season.

The damage that would do would be huge.

Hearts aren’t asking for that. They are asking for places to stand but no promotion or relegation to take effect or otherwise they get compensated.

[matty_f]

Hearts aren’t asking for that. They are asking for places to stand but no promotion or relegation to take effect or otherwise they get compensated.

I know, I was just replying to the post asking about it.

[Hibiza]

23637

Superb

[Keith_M]

"That the Members voting in favour of the Written Resolution did not adhere
to that Rule.

Instead, they exercised that voting power in a manner
amounting to oppression of a minority"


Wow! Just, Wow!


Maybe they should be taking this to The Human Rights Commission.

[Kojock]

Are you accepting relegation?
No we were expelled, not relegated,
Can you please explain why you activated a relegation clause to sever Stendels contract

[Since452]

"That the Members voting in favour of the Written Resolution did not adhere
to that Rule.

Instead, they exercised that voting power in a manner
amounting to oppression of a minority"


Wow! Just, Wow!


Maybe they should be taking this to The Human Rights Commission.

Hearts trying to jump on the PC bandwagon. Shameless

[Bostonhibby]

"That the Members voting in favour of the Written Resolution did not adhere
to that Rule.

Instead, they exercised that voting power in a manner
amounting to oppression of a minority"


Wow! Just, Wow!


Maybe they should be taking this to The Human Rights Commission.How the **** can they claim to be a minority when there's 400,000 of them sharing a flat in Saughton alone?

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[Eyrie]

"That the Members voting in favour of the Written Resolution did not adhere
to that Rule.

Instead, they exercised that voting power in a manner
amounting to oppression of a minority"


Wow! Just, Wow!


Maybe they should be taking this to The Human Rights Commission.

I think you mean Yamnesty International.

[JohnMcM]

Where did this "oppression of a minority" thing come from? Is it a quote?

[CockneyRebel]

I think you mean Yamnesty International.

:aok::aok::aok:

[CropleyWasGod]

Where did this "oppression of a minority" thing come from? Is it a quote?

It's in the Court papers.

[Springbank]

I thought Your Daniel was hired to help the geggenpress.
Turns out he was hired to help the Oppressed.

[Lago]

What a bizarre state of affairs Scottish football is at the moment.

[Jack]

What a bizarre state of affairs Scottish football is at the moment.

Nah, just Hertz.

[Aldo]

What a bizarre state of affairs Scottish football is at the moment.

Indeed. If they do win this case with this oppressed minority stuff then it opens the door big time and for me the games a bogie!


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[Mibbes Aye]

The 'otherwise determined by the board' is the key part here.

This would cover a range of scenarios - for example, let's say The Rangers died mid-way through the season and were unable to fulfill their fixtures, the board would be able to end the season without each club having played 38 games.

Or, if a global pandemic meant that finishing the season was impossible, the league could be finished without 38 games being played.

I would agree with you. A4 trumps C14 and C17 in this situation but I guess we will see.

[Onion]

Indeed. If they do win this case with this oppressed minority stuff then it opens the door big time and for me the games a bogie!


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A disgusting phase for them to use. Hearts class.

#OnlyHeartsMatter

[MacGruber]

They are down. :wink:

[Aldo]

A disgusting phase for them to use. Hearts class.

#OnlyHeartsMatter

It is indeed. If I’m honest I thought they had no class after the Lady Haig Poppy find snd other charities but they’ve taken it to another level.

Budge has treated other clubs and even her own staff disrespectfully and I really do hope SFA get right in about them once court proceedings are over!


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[Wee Effen Bee]

A disgusting phase for them to use. Hearts class.

#OnlyHeartsMatter

This is the best hashtag trending re the court case at the moment😁
I’m sure the oppressed minority thing is highlighting a faction within the SPFL community as opposed to a social minority but...with Budge being desperate, you never know.

[SMAXXA]

It is indeed. If I’m honest I thought they had no class after the Lady Haig Poppy find snd other charities but they’ve taken it to another level.

Budge has treated other clubs and even her own staff disrespectfully and I really do hope SFA get right in about them once court proceedings are over!


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Not likely they shat the bed with rangers and haven’t punished them for bringing the game into disrepute accusing the SPFL of all sorts, all brushed under the carpet by the looks of it

[greenginger]

The 'otherwise determined by the board' is the key part here.

This would cover a range of scenarios - for example, let's say The Rangers died mid-way through the season and were unable to fulfill their fixtures, the board would be able to end the season without each club having played 38 games.

Or, if a global pandemic meant that finishing the season was impossible, the league could be finished without 38 games being played.

But it wasn’t “ determined by the board “.

It was put to the members and they voted to end the season after 30/31 games and establish the league placing on average points per game played.

[Lago]

It is indeed. If I’m honest I thought they had no class after the Lady Haig Poppy find snd other charities but they’ve taken it to another level.

Budge has treated other clubs and even her own staff disrespectfully and I really do hope SFA get right in about them once court proceedings are over!


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They've shown an arrogant disregard for every other club & if Partick Thistle think they're friends they're deluded.

[Aldo]

Not likely they shat the bed with rangers and haven’t punished them for bringing the game into disrepute accusing the SPFL of all sorts, all brushed under the carpet by the looks of it

I think deep down I know they will do nowt but they will set a dangerous precedence and other clubs will use this as the standard and will use it should the SFA punish them.

Then again we could all be surprised and they might??


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[Aldo]

They've shown an arrogant disregard for every other club & if Partick Thistle think they're friends they're deluded. Z

They have and once this is over a big decision must be made by SFA.

As for PT, they’ve made their bed sort to speak. Don’t care what happens to them so they should also be punished.


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[nonshinyfinish]

I think you mean Yamnesty International.

Outstanding.

[007]

They've shown an arrogant disregard for every other club & if Partick Thistle think they're friends they're deluded.

They've only got Partick onside to strengthen their own case. Stranraer were in a worse position than Hearts hence why no mystery benefactor offering to pay legal costs for Stranraer to include them as a petitioner.

[matty_f]

But it wasn’t “ determined by the board “.

It was put to the members and they voted to end the season after 30/31 games and establish the league placing on average points per game played.

I think they voted to let the board end the season on that basis, the board still carried out the member's wishes.

[JimBHibees]

"...the Members...exercised that voting power in a manner amounting to oppression of a minority..." :rolleyes:

Utterly horrific wording.

[Del Boy]

They've shown an arrogant disregard for every other club & if Partick Thistle think they're friends they're deluded.

Their disregard for Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove is off the scale. If Hearts win their case then these 3 clubs are liable for their legal fees! How on earth is this fair?

[hibbysam]

I just love the fact they say it was an illegal vote, the resolutions weren’t fair, yet they voted in that vote. To me, if your faced with an illegal vote, you abstain. Secondly, they’re now saying that they want to remove bits of the vote they don’t like (promotions and relegations) but they’re happy for league winners and European places to be covered by the vote that they say was finalised illegally... You can’t have your cake and eat it.

[Andy74]

I just love the fact they say it was an illegal vote, the resolutions weren’t fair, yet they voted in that vote. To me, if your faced with an illegal vote, you abstain. Secondly, they’re now saying that they want to remove bits of the vote they don’t like (promotions and relegations) but they’re happy for league winners and European places to be covered by the vote that they say was finalised illegally... You can’t have your cake and eat it.

Yep, this is why they won’t be winning their case.

[FilipinoHibs]

A disgusting phase for them to use. Hearts class.

#OnlyHeartsMatter

Especially, as many of their fans have a record of oppressing minorities through their song book and behaviour.

[007]

I just love the fact they say it was an illegal vote, the resolutions weren’t fair, yet they voted in that vote. To me, if your faced with an illegal vote, you abstain. Secondly, they’re now saying that they want to remove bits of the vote they don’t like (promotions and relegations) but they’re happy for league winners and European places to be covered by the vote that they say was finalised illegally... You can’t have your cake and eat it.

That's not enough for them, they want Dundee United's cake too. Greedy basses.

[tamig]

Not likely they shat the bed with rangers and haven’t punished them for bringing the game into disrepute accusing the SPFL of all sorts, all brushed under the carpet by the looks of it

Difference being the hun let it lie and didn’t go scurrying to the court.

[SMAXXA]

Difference being the hun let it lie and didn’t go scurrying to the court.

Their behaviour was deplorable and calling the SPFL along the lines of corrupt and calling for individuals to be sacked warrants some form of action imo

[Hibs4185]

Gilson Gray representing. Hardly bringing out the big guns.

if it was open it shut and they were 100% confident they would use a more expensive firm. This tells me they are taking a punt and therefore using a firm who will ‘give it a bash’ at a reasonable rate.

[tamig]

Their behaviour was deplorable and calling the SPFL along the lines of corrupt and calling for individuals to be sacked warrants some form of action imo

Their interest in hertz and Thistle is down to them going to court though. I agree the hun behaviour was deplorable and they should have been taken to task.

[jacomo]

Their behaviour was deplorable and calling the SPFL along the lines of corrupt and calling for individuals to be sacked warrants some form of action imo


Yes but the Rangers have form for demanding justice and then backing off before it goes to court.

Hearts should have done the same.

[SMAXXA]

Yes but the Rangers have form for demanding justice and then backing off before it goes to court.

Hearts should have done the same.

Course they can’t they have too much failure to deflect they are backed into a corner thanks to budge

[MacGruber]

They are down. It's about cash only now. Expecting the news to break tomorrow

[Del Boy]

They are down. It's about cash only now. Expecting the news to break tomorrow

How do you know this? How confident are you?

[1875godsgift]

"That the Members voting in favour of the Written Resolution did not adhere
to that Rule.

Instead, they exercised that voting power in a manner
amounting to oppression of a minority"


Wow! Just, Wow!


Maybe they should be taking this to The Human Rights Commission.

To be honest, I can completely see their point - they ARE a minority -





















A minority of 1 who finished bottom of the league!

:lolyam::lolyam::lolyam::lolyam::lolyam::lolyam:


To the 400.000 greetin'-faced throbbers looking in, remember......


You're never out-numbered.....



But you're always out-gunned.....


GGTTH

[Aldo]

Their behaviour was deplorable and calling the SPFL along the lines of corrupt and calling for individuals to be sacked warrants some form of action imo

If no action is taken then it leaves the SPFL and SFA open and could allow other clubs to do and say what they want in the future knowing there will be no consequences to face. It also shows to the other footballing nations of the world that they are spineless and hold no power. What’s the point of having rules of nothing is done?

Budge and Co used the media and BBC to spout their propaganda at every opportunity so the evidence is there and heard and read by hundreds of thousand of folk.


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[MacGruber]

How do you know this? How confident are you?

Heard a little something yes. Could be nonesense, always could be but no reason to doubt at all. I've always believed they would wriggle out and tied my colours to that mast. As of last night I can finally relax. The source is gutted! Officially down last night and now about money. Expecting news today. ... I know how set to fail that is btw when 5pm comes and goes:duck:

[JimBHibees]

They are down. It's about cash only now. Expecting the news to break tomorrow

How would that happen? Surely the case is either thrown out or still to be heard. Assume relegation and them getting compensation were interlinked. Has a court ruling been made of some sort of pre court deal?

[Del Boy]

Heard a little something yes. Could be nonesense, always could be but no reason to doubt at all. I've always believed they would wriggle out and tied my colours to that mast. As of last night I can finally relax. The source is gutted! Officially down last night and now about money. Expecting news today. ... I know how set to fail that is btw when 5pm comes and goes:duck:

Fair enough, hopefully you’re correct.

if they’ve accepted they’re down though then surely the amount of money they’re getting has already been agreed?

[MacGruber]

How would that happen? Surely the case is either thrown out or still to be heard. Assume relegation and them getting compensation were interlinked. Has a court ruling been made of some sort of pre court deal?

No idea mate. Don't know the ins and outs. SPFL haven't even responded yet as far as we know so why it was confirmed last night I have no idea.

[CropleyWasGod]

How would that happen? Surely the case is either thrown out or still to be heard. Assume relegation and them getting compensation were interlinked. Has a court ruling been made of some sort of pre court deal?

Out of Court settlement?

[JimBHibees]

Out of Court settlement?

Assume set amounts would be agreed rather than agreeing to their fantasy 8m number. Probably suits both sides as long as figure to Hearts isn't too high. Undisclosed would probably cover it.

[greenpaper55]

Assume set amounts would be agreed rather than agreeing to their fantasy 8m number. Probably suits both sides as long as figure to Hearts isn't too high. Undisclosed would probably cover it.

Sounds about right, Jambos will claim it's 8 million but the reality will be a fraction of that !

[Keith_M]

Their behaviour was deplorable and calling the SPFL along the lines of corrupt and calling for individuals to be sacked warrants some form of action imo


It did result in action, though.

The SPFL shat it and appeased Der Hun by ending the investigation into RFC (RIP) being wrongly given the go ahead to play in Europe, even though they were insolvent. As TRFC pretend to be RFC (RIP), they would have been liable for any sanctions/fines incurred.

TRFC called off their attack hounds on the same day that the SPFL announced they were taking no further action in that investigation.

Coincidence?

[GlesgaeHibby]

Out of Court settlement?

Have expected this outcome all along. Undisclosed, both sides will paint it as a win and move on.

[MrSmith]

It did result in action, though.

The SPFL shat it and appeased Der Hun by ending the investigation into RFC (RIP) being wrongly given the go ahead to play in Europe, even though they were insolvent. As TRFC pretend to be RFC (RIP), they would have been liable for any sanctions/fines incurred.

TRFC called off their attack hounds on the same day that the SPFL announced they were taking no further action in that investigation.

Coincidence?

I'd be speechless and absolutely raging if the SPFL caved in to this nefarious action by the HMFC. They deserve nothing and should only get what they are due for being relegated.

[Andy74]

Have expected this outcome all along. Undisclosed, both sides will paint it as a win and move on.

I would not expect this as a likely outcome at all. There have been costs now and losses from other clubs, including Hibs due to the leagues ending the way they did. There is no way the SPFL would be able to settle with certain clubs especially when they clearly have no legal case.

[Rumble de Thump]

Nothing has happened to Hearts that merits compensation. Ans any proposed compensation would need to be voted on by the members as it's their money anyway. Hearts won't get a penny.

[CropleyWasGod]

Nothing has happened to Hearts that merits compensation. Ans any proposed compensation would need to be voted on by the members as it's their money anyway. Hearts won't get a penny.

It will be a Board decision, I'd reckon, rather than a members' one.

[HFC93]

I'd be speechless and absolutely raging if the SPFL caved in to this nefarious action by the HMFC. They deserve nothing and should only get what they are due for being relegated.

Likewise. Not sure where folk are getting this from unless they’re in the know.

[Moulin Yarns]

Heard a little something yes. Could be nonesense, always could be but no reason to doubt at all. I've always believed they would wriggle out and tied my colours to that mast. As of last night I can finally relax. The source is gutted! Officially down last night and now about money. Expecting news today. ... I know how set to fail that is btw when 5pm comes and goes:duck:


Without naming your source, how sure are you about what you heard? Not doubting you, but absolutely nothing hinted at in the media.

As for 'officially down' relegation was confirmed when the clubs unanimously voted to end the season. As for money due, they have received the prize money for final league position and parachute payment. Having accepted those then there is a clear acceptance of the end of season and the amount received.

[Peevemor]

Without naming your source, how sure are you about what you heard? Not doubting you, but absolutely nothing hinted at in the media.

As for 'officially down' relegation was confirmed when the clubs unanimously voted to end the season. As for money due, they have received the prize money for final league position and parachute payment. Having accepted those then there is a clear acceptance of the end of season and the amount received.

The only way that it would make any sense is if a cash settlement has already been reached - which I doubt.

[CropleyWasGod]

Without naming your source, how sure are you about what you heard? Not doubting you, but absolutely nothing hinted at in the media.

As for 'officially down' relegation was confirmed when the clubs unanimously voted to end the season. As for money due, they have received the prize money for final league position and parachute payment. Having accepted those then there is a clear acceptance of the end of season and the amount received.

Don't think they are due a parachute payment.

[FilipinoHibs]

Don't think they are due a parachute payment.

The SPFL may propose a parachute payment pending approval from the clubs. Hearts could suspend their action until it is verified.

[Lee Marvin]

The only way that it would make any sense is if a cash settlement has already been reached - which I doubt.

Or if the SFA threat of expulsion actually has merit

[CropleyWasGod]

The SPFL may propose a parachute payment pending approval from the clubs. Hearts could suspend their action until it is verified.

Have they had it, though, which is the point I was making?

[scoopyboy]

Don't think they are due a parachute payment.

I thought it was standard.

We received £500,000 when we went down then a further £250,000 when we didn't go back up at the first time of asking.

Nothing in our third season down there.

[Moulin Yarns]

Don't think they are due a parachute payment.


According to Anne Budge, I know! The reconstruction hearts wanted would have saved the SPFL £300,000 in parachute payment to hearts on relegation.

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/52813339?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15929930349851&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffoo tball%2F52813339

[CropleyWasGod]

I thought it was standard.

We received £500,000 when we went down then a further £250,000 when we didn't go back up at the first time of asking.

Nothing in our third season down there.

IIRC, it's only for teams who go down via the play-offs.

[Kojock]

I thought it was standard.

We received £500,000 when we went down then a further £250,000 when we didn't go back up at the first time of asking.

Nothing in our third season down there.

This is from 2018 so I don’t know if the figures have changed.

If the team finishing 11th in Premiership is relegated, they get an additional £500k in first season after relegation, so that would be £1.63m in total. They get another £250k in the following season assuming they don’t go back up.

Team finishing 12th gets an additional £300k in first season after relegation, so that would be £1.37m in total. They get another £125k in the following season assuming they don’t go back up.

[CropleyWasGod]

According to Anne Budge, I know! The reconstruction hearts wanted would have saved the SPFL £300,000 in parachute payment to hearts on relegation.

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/52813339?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15929930349851&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffoo tball%2F52813339


This is from 2018 so I don’t know if the figures have changed.

If the team finishing 11th in Premiership is relegated, they get an additional £500k in first season after relegation, so that would be £1.63m in total. They get another £250k in the following season assuming they don’t go back up.

Team finishing 12th gets an additional £300k in first season after relegation, so that would be £1.37m in total. They get another £125k in the following season assuming they don’t go back up.

Cheers both :thumbsup:

[Kojock]

Cheers both :thumbsup:

Doesn’t answer if they accepted it tho 😂

[Irish_Steve]

Heard a little something yes. Could be nonesense, always could be but no reason to doubt at all. I've always believed they would wriggle out and tied my colours to that mast. As of last night I can finally relax. The source is gutted! Officially down last night and now about money. Expecting news today. ... I know how set to fail that is btw when 5pm comes and goes:duck:


Is that you, Saughton???

[scoopyboy]

IIRC, it's only for teams who go down via the play-offs.

Never considered that, thanks CWG.

[scoopyboy]

This is from 2018 so I don’t know if the figures have changed.

If the team finishing 11th in Premiership is relegated, they get an additional £500k in first season after relegation, so that would be £1.63m in total. They get another £250k in the following season assuming they don’t go back up.

Team finishing 12th gets an additional £300k in first season after relegation, so that would be £1.37m in total. They get another £125k in the following season assuming they don’t go back up.

Every day is a school day G.

[CropleyWasGod]

Never considered that, thanks CWG.

It's not true, though. :greengrin (see above)

[Moulin Yarns]

Doesn’t answer if they accepted it tho 😂

Which is the crux of the matter. If they have accepted it and the 12th place 'prize' money then they don't have a case. 🍿

[hibeerealist]

IIRC, it's only for teams who go down via the play-offs.

Can't remember where i saw it £300,000 to Hertz for 12th place and £500.000 to the team in 11th ONLY IF relegated via play offs.

[Victor]

Can't remember where i saw it £300,000 to Hertz for 12th place and £500.000 to the team in 11th ONLY IF relegated via play offs.

If that is the case, the £500,000 will not have been paid out. Give Hearts that plus the £300,000 they ‘earned’ as an ‘out of Court’ settlement, then tell them to ***k off and leave us in peace.


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[Sammy7nil]

If that is the case, the £500,000 will not have been paid out. Give Hearts that plus the £300,000 they ‘earned’ as an ‘out of Court’ settlement, then tell them to ***k off and leave us in peace.


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:greengrin :aok: :greengrin

[Jim44]

If that is the case, the £500,000 will not have been paid out. Give Hearts that plus the £300,000 they ‘earned’ as an ‘out of Court’ settlement, then tell them to ***k off and leave us in peace.


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It might not be the most articulate statement on here in the last few weeks, but it’s definitely one of the most succinct and heartfelt. :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

If that is the case, the £500,000 will not have been paid out. Give Hearts that plus the £300,000 they ‘earned’ as an ‘out of Court’ settlement, then tell them to ***k off and leave us in peace.


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When you say tell them to ***k off do you mean expelled? 🤔😁

[Rumble de Thump]

Hearts' words and actions are deserving of punishment, not a 500k reward.

[Moulin Yarns]

Hearts' words and actions are deserving of punishment, not a 500k reward.

Probably the £500k will be used for legal fees if necessary.

[Keith_M]

Hearts' words and actions are deserving of punishment, not a 500k reward.


Perhaps not, but it's worth paying if they finally just shut up.

[Hibby70]

I'd be happy if they got the 11th place parachute. Think that works all round and would be fair (effectively puts them in 11th but getting beat in the playoff by a resurgent Dundee 2-0 at Dens)

[Spike Mandela]

The Premier clubs should agree to give them £50k each although I can’t think where they would get that sort of money.😜

[Stairway 2 7]

I'd agree to 500k being fair peed off at 1 million

[Skol]

Another agreement that the 11th place parachute payment is a good compromise

[Moulin Yarns]

Another agreement that the 11th place parachute payment is a good compromise

It would have been a good compromise had it been offered to hearts by the SPFL board and accepted by hearts as a fair compromise and they drew a line under it, but because of the court action they have forfeited any chance of good will.

[Rumble de Thump]

Giving Hearts 500k wouldn't be a compromise. It would be handing Hearts an undeserved 500k advantage over their competitors. It would be unfair on very other club.

[weecounty hibby]

Give them what is in the competition rules. **** all else. In fact they should be fined for bringing the game into disrepute.

[Greenworld]

It will be a Board decision, I'd reckon, rather than a members' one.Are you saying the board would just tell the clubs we have done a deal and its 100k each club please pay us ...as an example

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[Del Boy]

Are you saying the board would just tell the clubs we have done a deal and its 100k each club please pay us ...as an example

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Imagine it would be taken off future tv payments but who knows?

[hibeerealist]

Give them what is in the competition rules. **** all else. In fact they should be fined for bringing the game into disrepute.

Im with you WCH. :aok:

[rossevenil]

Take the £500,000 payment and only being fair here to all clubs split it between Partick,Stranraer and them, so £166,666 each....surely thats fair!

[Greenworld]

Once the court has the spfl submission can the court at that stage no case here .
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[JohnMcM]

This lock down has been good for me. I'm pretty sure if I keep reading the posts in this thread I'll be in a position to take a law exam. Not only that my social distancing body swerve has been sharpened so much I could play for Barcelona alongside Messi.:greengrin

[ancient hibee]

This lock down has been good for me. I'm pretty sure if I keep reading the posts in this thread I'll be in a position to take a law exam. Not only that my social distancing body swerve has been sharpened so much I could play for Barcelona alongside Messi.:greengrin

Not too near him of course.

[HoboHarry]

Not too near him of course.
Six foot away is about as close as any defender gets to Messi :greengrin

[Jim44]

Is the deadline for the SPFL response, today or tomorrow?

[matty_f]

Is the deadline for the SPFL response, today or tomorrow?

Tomorrow, according to the EEN report yesterday (7 working days).

[Jim44]

Reason I asked was because they were discussing it on KB and there seemed to be some debate about bringing it forward to today.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53167718

SPFL board seek a resolution to make decisions for next season if Covid-19 affects the league.

[matty_f]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53167718

SPFL board seek a resolution to make decisions for next season if Covid-19 affects the league.

This line from the article is interesting/concering:


The letter also states that it was "apparent earlier this year, SPFL rules do not adequately cover the situation where a season has to be curtailed, with a number of games remaining to be played".

Could that go in Hearts' favour?

[Del Boy]

Can’t believe what I’ve just read from Doncaster. Is he trying to lose the court case!??

[Hibs90]

Can’t believe what I’ve just read from Doncaster. Is he trying to lose the court case!??


I reckon he's either some sort of genius and is many steps ahead of Budge already or is perhaps just a complete ****ing incompetent idiot.

[Stuart93]

This line from the article is interesting/concering:



Could that go in Hearts' favour?

That doesn’t sound great.

[Rumble de Thump]

This line from the article is interesting/concering:



Could that go in Hearts' favour?

It sounds like it means the fact it had to be debated, put to a vote and, ultimately, a minority of clubs kicked off, caused problems. Things would have been a lot simpler this season if the SPFL had just made the decisions.

[Joe6-2]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53167718

SPFL board seek a resolution to make decisions for next season if Covid-19 affects the league.

More bloody flannel, if this had been the case this season we would have had reconstruction forced on us, hope the clubs reject this.....but have a feeling they won’t!

£10 mil, where the f*** do they keep plucking these figures from?

[Peevemor]

This line from the article is interesting/concering:



Could that go in Hearts' favour?

What's been done has been done in accordance with the rules, it's just you have to flick back and forward between pages to find the relevant articles.

I think he means that there lacks one "go to" rule - "If the season has to finish early for whatever reason, without all league matches being completed, then ...."

[hibbyfraelibby]

Can’t believe what I’ve just read from Doncaster. Is he trying to lose the court case!??

No. The season was called in accordance with the rules but the rules allowed too much interpretation. He is merely tightening up the criteria to make it watertight in future and to be granted those elusive executive powers so fonly longed for in the rundown western Edinburgh environs.

[Waxy]

Think it just means because it had to be voted on and in future there should be a straight rule on things like this. Most probably leagues would finish as it did this season after a big percentage of games played and that would be the rule.
Anything else is chaos.

[greenpaper55]

I would think it only concerns the Covid virus situation, i doubt the clubs would give them the authority to rule on everything.

[Jim44]

There’s growing optimism over there that this BBC article is proof that Doncaster is about to push through reconstruction.

[Bostonhibby]

It sounds like it means the fact it had to be debated, put to a vote and, ultimately, a minority of clubs kicked off, caused problems. Things would have been a lot simpler this season if the SPFL had just made the decisions.It does look this way.

Answer for next season has to be if government declares lockdown then there's just no promotion or relegation to give teams a chance to adjust from known positions and none of the delay and negative publicity when a small group with vested interests try to prejudice the will of the overwhelming majority.

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[Stuart93]

There’s growing optimism over there that this BBC article is proof that Doncaster is about to push through reconstruction.

Eh? How can they take that from it?

He’s putting it to a vote to allow them to have the power to do that in future? If anything the article is the opposite of any recon being pushed through

[matty_f]

There’s growing optimism over there that this BBC article is proof that Doncaster is about to push through reconstruction.

They'll be disappointed, then.

[HoboHarry]

No. The season was called in accordance with the rules but the rules allowed too much interpretation. He is merely tightening up the criteria to make it watertight in future and to be granted those elusive executive powers so fonly longed for in the rundown western Edinburgh environs.
Correct. :agree:

[Greenworld]

This line from the article is interesting/concering:



Could that go in Hearts' favour?Matty it is purely to put in place something to stop the uncertainty for next season . Something like "we have decided because of covid there will be no relegation or promotion for 2021 -22" they have the powers no vote required.

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[04Sauzee]

There’s growing optimism over there that this BBC article is proof that Doncaster is about to push through reconstruction.

It's the hope that Kills them

I wonder when the penny will drop with some of them.

[Broken Gnome]

Suppose it depends on whether the decisions being limited to 20/21 means those made during that season, or those affecting that season? The latter gives them scope for optimism, the former not.

If they use the full 28 days for responses then would leave about a week for changing anything for next season.

[Stuart93]

Suppose it depends on whether the decisions being limited to 20/21 means those made during that season, or those affecting that season? The latter gives them scope for optimism, the former not.

If they use the full 28 days for responses then would leave about a week for changing anything for next season.

I think it’s solely if this situation rises again next season as oppose to anything else

[matty_f]

Matty it is purely to put in place something to stop the uncertainty for next season . Something like "we have decided because of covid there will be no relegation or promotion for 2021 -22" they have the powers no vote required.

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I get that, I just think it opens the door for criticism from Hearts that the processes in place this year were inadequate.

That might not change anything, the SPFL acted within the rules as they are now.

[Moulin Yarns]

More bloody flannel, if this had been the case this season we would have had reconstruction forced on us, hope the clubs reject this.....but have a feeling they won’t!

£10 mil, where the f*** do they keep plucking these figures from?


More to the point, where in the article does it mention £10 million????

[Jim44]

I think that the statement’s reference to the present arrangements being inadequate/unclear means that, according to one or two, their action will be upheld. I think at best ( for them ) it might affect any compensation they get. The article seems to be about tidying up loose ends next season and not any sort of admission of wrongdoing in recent SPFL business.

[Ozyhibby]

I get that, I just think it opens the door for criticism from Hearts that the processes in place this year were inadequate.

That might not change anything, the SPFL acted within the rules as they are now.

I think the processes in place just now were proven to be inadequate. I doubt anybody reasonable could argue that.
Doesn’t mean Hearts have a leg to stand on with their legal case.


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[Peevemor]

I think the processes in place just now were proven to be inadequate. I doubt anybody reasonable could argue that.
Doesn’t mean Hearts have a leg to stand on with their legal case.


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Exactly. We'll be seeing legislation for dealing with global pandemics appearing in all walks of life.

[McSwanky]

I think the processes in place just now were proven to be inadequate. I doubt anybody reasonable could argue that.
Doesn’t mean Hearts have a leg to stand on with their legal case.


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Exactly. They used the rules they had, which didn't explicitly state what should happen in a case like this. Which meant some debate, and some clubs feeling aggrieved that they lost out. (There was no one solution that would result in nobody losing out, no matter how hard Budge argues the point.)

So they are, sensibly, going to put something explicit in the rules to prevent ****s like the Jambos kicking off in the future because they happen to be the ones that were AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE when THE VAST MAJORITY voted OVERWHELMINGLY to FINISH THE ****ING SEASON.

I am sick to the back teeth of this rolling on and on and on. If Hearts didn't want to be relegated, they should have won more games and not been 4 points adrift at the bottom of the league.

[grunt]

More to the point, where in the article does it mention £10 million????Half way down, third bullet link to other BBC stories. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53080219

[Springbank]

So we have hearts arguing for a "do no harm" argument, in the same week that they shafted their manager, who found out on Twitter that he was being replaced, in a move that brought harm to both Stendel & an spfl club (Dundee utd)

And we have the spfl saying thems the rules (while trying to change the rules)

Comic timing all round....

[GlesgaeHibby]

SPFL have lodged papers with the court of session this afternoon according to the Scottish Hun.

[greenpaper55]

The SPFL are contesting the case

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5737297/spfl-hearts-partick-thistle-court-case/

[BroxburnHibee]

The SPFL are contesting the case

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5737297/spfl-hearts-partick-thistle-court-case/

That was a foregone conclusion wasn't it?

[660]

Hopefully the SPFL response gets leaked for the sake of comedy.

[theonlywayisup]

The SPFL are contesting the case

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5737297/spfl-hearts-partick-thistle-court-case/

FOOTBALL chiefs have lodged defences to a £10million action brought to Scotland’s highest civil court by Hearts and Partick Thistle.

Staff at the Court of Session have revealed that lawyers acting for the SPFL lodged papers at the Edinburgh court on Wednesday afternoon.

The two sides have decided to go to court over the SPFL’s decision to relegate the two clubs earlier this year amid the continuing Covid 19 crisis.

They believe they decision taken by football chiefs earlier this year was to “the extreme detriment” of the clubs involved.

Reports state the Tynecastle side are pursuing compensation claims of £8m and £2m respectively if they cannot be re-instated into their respective leagues.

They could also seek an interdict to halt the start of the new Premiership season on August 1 - threatening the Premiership's lucrative new broadcast deal with Sky Sports.

On Wednesday, a court official said that representatives from Edinburgh based law firm Shepherd and Wedderburn lodged the defences.

The officials stated that a hearing would be fixed for sometime in the near future in order for the court to determine how the action should proceed.

The action has been brought because of a resolution that was passed by the majority of the 42 SPFL member clubs in April. The resolution decided final placings in the Championship, League One and League Two on a points per game basis.

The resolution also gave the SPFL board the power to take the same action in the Premiership. Bosses did this and a proposal to change the league to a 14-10-10-10 structure was rejected.

This meant that Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer were all relegated.

In a statement issued earlier this month, the two clubs said the legal action was "to reduce the unfair resolution insofar as it changed the SPFL's rules on promotion and relegation.”

It added: “Unfortunately, Scottish football has been unable to pull together at this time of national crisis to prevent the need for this legal challenge. We desperately hoped court action would not be necessary, but we were left with no other option.

“We would emphasise instead that we have no wish to disrupt Scottish football but rather our aim is to have the proceedings litigated to a conclusion as quickly as possible.”

[Moulin Yarns]

Half way down, third bullet link to other BBC stories. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53080219

So a link to the story from a week ago. Good to see people are keeping up to date.

[Brightside]

The SPFL are contesting the case

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5737297/spfl-hearts-partick-thistle-court-case/

Even the reporting of this is boring now.

[Springbank]

Anyone remember when hearts took real mallorca & UEFA to court, to appeal being "expelled" from the 98/99 ECWC?

that case was about goalpost heights (seriously)

The moral of the story was hearts were shocked that it was a 2 way street & they lost the case, real mallorca counter claimed, hearts stayed "expelled" and had a fine to pay.

I'm ready for series 2..

[Since452]

There’s growing optimism over there that this BBC article is proof that Doncaster is about to push through reconstruction.

I took it as proof my wife is going to make me a slap up meal tonight. It's about as relevant.

[Peevemor]

Anyone remember when hearts took real mallorca & UEFA to court, to appeal being "expelled" from the 98/99 ECWC?

that case was about goalpost heights (seriously)

The moral of the story was hearts were shocked that it was a 2 way street & they lost the case, real mallorca counter claimed, hearts stayed "expelled" and had a fine to pay.

I'm ready for series 2..

To be fair the referee shouldn't have let that game go ahead until the problem was solved.

[speedy_gonzales]

Anyone remember when hearts took real mallorca & UEFA to court, to appeal being "expelled" from the 98/99 ECWC?

that case was about goalpost heights (seriously)



I forgot about that debacle, to be fair (even to them), there was an obvious height difference between the goal posts at both ends of the park, something like 6 inches of difference from one post to another.

[Since452]

Anyone remember when hearts took real mallorca & UEFA to court, to appeal being "expelled" from the 98/99 ECWC?

that case was about goalpost heights (seriously)

The moral of the story was hearts were shocked that it was a 2 way street & they lost the case, real mallorca counter claimed, hearts stayed "expelled" and had a fine to pay.

I'm ready for series 2..

If only Cathro was manager back then. Wouldn't have had any goalposts. At least they've have got a 0-0

[grunt]

Anyone remember when hearts took real mallorca & UEFA to court, to appeal being "expelled" from the 98/99 ECWC? that case was about goalpost heights (seriously)
From wikipedia:


Before the game, the delegate of Hearts complained about the non-standard goal height, and the referee measured it to be one centimeter lower than regulation. Hearts agreed to play the game anyway.

[Peevemor]

From wikipedia:

The 1cm was after the hump/mound on the goal line had been flattened out. It was worse when Hearts first pointed it out to them.

[ancient hibee]

All the SPFL is saying is that the Laws were inadequate which is why we had a vote which then came up with majority decisions.

[Since452]

All the SPFL is saying is that the Laws were inadequate which is why we had a vote which then came up with majority decisions.

This. I don't know why the Jambos on Twitter are too thick to understand that

[Bostonhibby]

I forgot about that debacle, to be fair (even to them), there was an obvious height difference between the goal posts at both ends of the park, something like 6 inches of difference from one post to another.They were only going to be launching the ball about 100ft into the air anyway, the judge obviously did his research, seen it was the thieves and decided, what's 6 inches here or there? No case to answer m'lud, next..

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[007]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53167718

SPFL board seek a resolution to make decisions for next season if Covid-19 affects the league.

Doncaster just wants to have the power to decide next season, if there's another lockdown due to a virus the day before the last game of the season with Hearts 20 points clear, that there should be no relegation or promotion because the leagues can't be finished. 😄 (That'll teach them a lesson).

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

This. I don't know why the Jambos on Twitter are too thick to understand that

You answered your own question.

[poolman]

You answered your own question.

😊

[Waxy]

Just make a rule that if over half the season has been played and the board have to call the league then current positions are final.Just like this season.
It a rule then. Cool thats that.

[Newry Hibs]

I think they'll need some sort of rule decided on. Talk of a second covid wave next winter and local shut downs... So not impossible to have next season affected.

[Ozyhibby]

Just make a rule that if over half the season has been played and the board have to call the league then current positions are final.Just like this season.
It a rule then. Cool thats that.

And if they make a new rule that codifies what they have just done this season then I suspect that may strengthen their case in court.


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[Irish_Steve]

I`m sure I read somewhere that UEFA had said it had given all football associations the power to stop promotion and relegation in the top leagues next season. Did I dream this as I can`t seem to find any evidence on it. I probably read it on Brokeback so unlikely to be correct lol

[Jack]

I`m sure I read somewhere that UEFA had said it had given all football associations the power to stop promotion and relegation in the top leagues next season. Did I dream this as I can`t seem to find any evidence on it. I probably read it on Brokeback so unlikely to be correct lol

I think I saw it on here some time ago but a brief search of the UEFA site at the time came up with nothing.

[Irish_Steve]

I think I saw it on here some time ago but a brief search of the UEFA site at the time came up with nothing.

Yeah, I had a look before I posted - at least someone else thinks they saw it lol

[matty_f]

Yeah, I had a look before I posted - at least someone else thinks they saw it lol

It was on here, definitely. We discussed it on the podcast last week.

[scoopyboy]

Question for the legal eagles on here.

Why did the SPFL wait until this afternoon to deliver their response, is it standard procedure or what?

[Peevemor]

Question for the legal eagles on here.

Why did the SPFL wait until this afternoon to deliver their response, is it standard procedure or what?They've only had Hearts' document for a week (4/5 working days) . The solicitors will have taken the time necessary to formulate the best possible response, with no doubt a fair but toing and froing between them and the SPFL.

[bingo70]

They've only had Hearts' document for a week (4/5 working days) . The solicitors will have taken the time necessary to formulate the best possible response, with no doubt a fair but toing and froing between them and the SPFL.

Will the SPFL response be publicly available?

Not that I’ll be interested or able to make sense of it, hopefully someone will post a summary in Lehman’s terms though.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Question for the legal eagles on here.

Why did the SPFL wait until this afternoon to deliver their response, is it standard procedure or what?

Dunno but guessing it will be to do with timelines - ie giving less time for further response.

[Moulin Yarns]

Will the SPFL response be publicly available?

Not that I’ll be interested or able to make sense of it, hopefully someone will post a summary in Lehman’s terms though.

You want a summary in banker's language? 😉

[linlithgowhibbie]

You want a summary in banker's language? 😉

I thought it was Dirty Dicks German language he was meaning:wink:

[Greenworld]

Question for the legal eagles on here.

Why did the SPFL wait until this afternoon to deliver their response, is it standard procedure or what?Yes normal procedure taken from the hibs manual , wait until 10 minutes to go

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Several SPFL clubs have rallied to support Dundee United, Raith and Cove – with some even offering cash in their fight against Hearts and Partick Thistle.

League chiefs yesterday submitted their defence to the legal action launched by the M8 Alliance to try to overturn relegation or land £10million in compensation for going down.

The Jambos and Jags could find out this week if legal action against the SPFL has been successful. Promoted United, Rovers and Cove also sent their joint response to the Court of Session after they were named as clubs who were set to benefit from the decision to send the Jambos and Jags down – along with Stranraer.

The targeted trio have been given the backing of several other sides – and told by at least two big-name clubs they would be willing to help financially if the action moves to the next stage.

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Cove, Raith and United have made it clear that 81 per cent of the league’s clubs back the motion to end the season on a points-per-game ratio.

The three clubs have also stated the sort of financial cost it would mean to the clubs and their local communities if they are denied promotion despite being named the champions of their leagues.


The SPFL legal team submitted their response before yesterday’s 5pm deadline and are now waiting to discover if the courts will call a hearing.

A source told Record Sport: “There is a sizable group of clubs who have been disgusted by the behaviour of Hearts and Partick Thistle. They have given their backing to Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers.

“Several clubs have offered their support. At the moment it is moral support but if the case goes to the next stage in the Court of Sessions, there are one or two who have offered financial backing as well.

“Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers had to submit responses but this case will target the 81 per cent of clubs who voted for the resolution 
to end the season – and it will affect all 42 if they are successful.

“There is a real appetite to fight the corner of the clubs concerned as it seems Hearts and Partick Thistle are intent on causing damage to the three clubs they see will benefit from the decision to call the league – which is exactly what they are accusing the league of doing to them.”

The SPFL are adamant they acted legally in calling the league – and highlighted to the court the members association voted by majority to make the decision.

SPFL chase rule change as league body aims to stop 'division' by holding power over clubs
Unless there is an out-of-court settlement or change to the proceedings the matter is now expected to proceed to a civil case in the Court of Sessions Outer House – and it could be fast-tracked with the new season scheduled to kick off on August 1.

Hearts and Thistle are set to take it all the way and have threatened to slap the league with an injunction that could halt the start of the new campaign.

The Jambos and Jags want their relegations to be overturned – and the promoted sides denied the chance to go up – with a contingency for either a return to restructuring or up to £10m in compensation for staying down.

A joint statement last week from the promoted parties warned the motion could “potentially have catastrophic financial implications for every SPFL member club”
Their statement also said: “We have undertaken extensive and costly preparations for a new season in new leagues, including obtaining major financial commitments from our supporters, business
partners and stakeholders.

“Our removal from those leagues would be ruinous on and off the field.

“Our status as
champions is not being contested and nor should the promotion which has always, and should always, come with it. We must and will robustly defend our position.”

An SPFL spokesperson said: “We can confirm
that our answers to the
petition have been lodged with the Court of Session.”

[Sammy7nil]

That will go down well on wayback everyone hates us we don't care :greengrin

[Joe6-2]

More to the point, where in the article does it mention £10 million????

Read it again, one of the banner headlines

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Several SPFL clubs have rallied to support Dundee United, Raith and Cove – with some even offering cash in their fight against Hearts and Partick Thistle.

League chiefs yesterday submitted their defence to the legal action launched by the M8 Alliance to try to overturn relegation or land £10million in compensation for going down.

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Cove, Raith and United have made it clear that 81 per cent of the league’s clubs back the motion to end the season on a points-per-game ratio.

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A source told Record Sport: “There is a sizable group of clubs who have been disgusted by the behaviour of Hearts and Partick Thistle. They have given their backing to Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers.

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“Several clubs have offered their support. At the moment it is moral support but if the case goes to the next stage in the Court of Sessions, there are one or two who have offered financial backing as well.

“Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers had to submit responses but this case will target the 81 per cent of clubs who voted for the resolution 
to end the season – and it will affect all 42 if they are successful.

“There is a real appetite to fight the corner of the clubs concerned as it seems Hearts and Partick Thistle are intent on causing damage to the three clubs they see will benefit from the decision to call the league – which is exactly what they are accusing the league of doing to them.”

The SPFL are adamant they acted legally in calling the league – and highlighted to the court the members association voted by majority to make the decision.

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Unless there is an out-of-court settlement or change to the proceedings the matter is now expected to proceed to a civil case in the Court of Sessions Outer House – and it could be fast-tracked with the new season scheduled to kick off on August 1.

Hearts and Thistle are set to take it all the way and have threatened to slap the league with an injunction that could halt the start of the new campaign.

The Jambos and Jags want their relegations to be overturned – and the promoted sides denied the chance to go up – with a contingency for either a return to restructuring or up to £10m in compensation for staying down.


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Their statement also said: “We have undertaken extensive and costly preparations for a new season in new leagues, including obtaining major financial commitments from our supporters, business
partners and stakeholders.

“Our removal from those leagues would be ruinous on and off the field.

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Looks like there is a groundswell of opinion against the Jambos and their lackey. SPFL standing firm and not a penny more to these twats.

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Several SPFL clubs have rallied to support Dundee United, Raith and Cove – with some even offering cash in their fight against Hearts and Partick Thistle.

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The targeted trio have been given the backing of several other sides – and told by at least two big-name clubs they would be willing to help financially if the action moves to the next stage.

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Cove, Raith and United have made it clear that 81 per cent of the league’s clubs back the motion to end the season on a points-per-game ratio.

The three clubs have also stated the sort of financial cost it would mean to the clubs and their local communities if they are denied promotion despite being named the champions of their leagues.

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A source told Record Sport: “There is a sizable group of clubs who have been disgusted by the behaviour of Hearts and Partick Thistle. They have given their backing to Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers.

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“Several clubs have offered their support. At the moment it is moral support but if the case goes to the next stage in the Court of Sessions, there are one or two who have offered financial backing as well.

“Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers had to submit responses but this case will target the 81 per cent of clubs who voted for the resolution 
to end the season – and it will affect all 42 if they are successful.

“There is a real appetite to fight the corner of the clubs concerned as it seems Hearts and Partick Thistle are intent on causing damage to the three clubs they see will benefit from the decision to call the league – which is exactly what they are accusing the league of doing to them.”

The SPFL are adamant they acted legally in calling the league – and highlighted to the court the members association voted by majority to make the decision.

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Unless there is an out-of-court settlement or change to the proceedings the matter is now expected to proceed to a civil case in the Court of Sessions Outer House – and it could be fast-tracked with the new season scheduled to kick off on August 1.

Hearts and Thistle are set to take it all the way and have threatened to slap the league with an injunction that could halt the start of the new campaign.

The Jambos and Jags want their relegations to be overturned – and the promoted sides denied the chance to go up – with a contingency for either a return to restructuring or up to £10m in compensation for staying down.


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A joint statement last week from the promoted parties warned the motion could “potentially have catastrophic financial implications for every SPFL member club”.

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Their statement also said: “We have undertaken extensive and costly preparations for a new season in new leagues, including obtaining major financial commitments from our supporters, business
partners and stakeholders.

“Our removal from those leagues would be ruinous on and off the field.

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“Our status as
champions is not being contested and nor should the promotion which has always, and should always, come with it. We must and will robustly defend our position.”

An SPFL spokesperson said: “We can confirm
that our answers to the
petition have been lodged with the Court of Session.”

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[Tug Wilson]

They've only had Hearts' document for a week (4/5 working days) . The solicitors will have taken the time necessary to formulate the best possible response, with no doubt a fair but toing and froing between them and the SPFL.

This. The Answers to the Petition make up the legal process upon which the Court of Session will make judgement. Although potentially skeletal in nature, they will have to cover all the points raised.

Shepherd & Wedderburn are a very good law firm. I am sure that they will have engaged an extremely good QC.

Interestingly with Gilson Gray, I met one of the founders at a social event a couple of years ago. Can't remember if it was Gilson or Gray but sure that he was a massive Hibs fan.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Gutted to hear that loose women and Lorraine are losing their slots.

[oldbutdim]

Gutted to hear that loose women and Lorraine are losing their slots.

“Loosing” Shirley?

[GibbytheHibby2]

To be fair the referee shouldn't have let that game go ahead until the problem was solved.

It also incumbent on the club to refuse to play the game. By playing the game you effectively accept the pitch conditions. Same applies if a pitch is too short as an example (ahem).

You can’t play it and then appeal if you lose.

[hibbysam]

It also incumbent on the club to refuse to play the game. By playing the game you effectively accept the pitch conditions. Same applies if a pitch is too short as an example (ahem).

You can’t play it and then appeal if you lose.

Like taking part in a vote and then complaining that the vote was illegal you mean? The jambos aren’t great at this sort of thing it seems lol!

[Newry Hibs]

Why would DU, Raith and Cove need to be getting a legal case? Hearts action is against the SPFL - so it's up to the SPFL to answer.
Is it just preparation in case Hearts win so they can appeal that?

[bod]

Gutted to hear that loose women and Lorraine are losing their slots.

😂😂

[Irish_Steve]

Again, something I may have read earlier here or elsewhere but someone suggested the SPFL will wanted to take this the whole way in court. Then, if Hearts win, the SPFL will say, you can have your £10m but if you claim it, you will be expelled from the league set-up. That would be absolutely awesome!

[Dashing Bob S]

Designed to do two things:

1. Build a sense of grievance amongst Jambo idiots too dim to see they are being taken to the cleaners (all of them)
2. From the siege mentality fleece them further for ST and Fan Contributions.

In the process it will create more bitterness and division in Scottish football than ever, further increasing the toxicity level at games, esp derbies, and empowering bams on both sides looking for dramatic diversions from humdrum lives.

It really is a hollow and cynical move by Budge.

[Moulin Yarns]

Read it again, one of the banner headlines

Yeah, to the story from a week ago. Nothing in the article I linked to. It's old news.

[Henderson2Del]

This. The Answers to the Petition make up the legal process upon which the Court of Session will make judgement. Although potentially skeletal in nature, they will have to cover all the points raised.

Shepherd & Wedderburn are a very good law firm. I am sure that they will have engaged an extremely good QC.

Interestingly with Gilson Gray, I met one of the founders at a social event a couple of years ago. Can't remember if it was Gilson or Gray but sure that he was a massive Hibs fan.

Matthew Gray is a hibs fan for sure

[hibbyfraelibby]

Why would DU, Raith and Cove need to be getting a legal case? Hearts action is against the SPFL - so it's up to the SPFL to answer.
Is it just preparation in case Hearts win so they can appeal that?

The ****bos and their prickly pals for Oartick are taking action against the 3 promoted clubs as well as the SPFL as an organisation. Deliberate legal bullying in an attempt to intimidate. Get Article 5.1.c and Article 99.7 served now in return.

[Springbank]

Like taking part in a vote and then complaining that the vote was illegal you mean? The jambos aren’t great at this sort of thing it seems lol!

Yup,history repeats.

My top 3 Hearts appeals are currently:

1) When Jullien Brellier was sent off for wearing an ear-ring*
2) When Hearts were fined for piping up about a goalpost in Mallorca
3) When Hearts voted to relegate themselves, trouser the SPFL's money, but start a court case to appease their excitable support

Form Guide: So far, not one of them has gone in Hearts favour.



*sadly, they didn't appeal Steve Fulton's "booked for being ugly" booking at ER way-back-when. Otherwsie that would've been top of the pile

[jacomo]

Designed to do two things:

1. Build a sense of grievance amongst Jambo idiots too dim to see they are being taken to the cleaners (all of them)
2. From the siege mentality fleece them further for ST and Fan Contributions.

In the process it will create more bitterness and division in Scottish football than ever, further increasing the toxicity level at games, esp derbies, and empowering bams on both sides looking for dramatic diversions from humdrum lives.

It really is a hollow and cynical move by Budge.


Business model copied from the Rangers. They really are the Diet Huns.

[PatHead]

Don't know why Daily Record is trying to build up the relationship between hearts and Partick.
M8 Alliance! Wtf.

It is nothing big, just 2 lower league clubs trying to screw the rest.