Johnson Out

[Bushwoof]

It's about 1000m ffs. His excuses are much thinner than the air.

Presumably the shelling long diagonals was his tactic. When it's quickly apparent something isn't working, good managers change things.

He did change things, though. Changed the formation and made 2 subs at half time. So I guess he must be a good manager?

[flash]

I’ve never been a fan of LJ and I don’t think he’ll ever make us particularly successful. We’ll stumble along, look like we’re on the right track at times, have a bit of hope, then it’ll go tits up again.

But last night is more in the players for me. They didn’t do the basic things you need to do to win a game of football. That team we put out should be winning that game easily against a bunch of part timers.

It’s just feels like it’ll be a continuous cycle of what we’ve seen in his time here for me and it’s infuriating given the way we are backing him.

To be fair that first paragraph is basically Hibs in a nutshell regardless of manager.

[Percy Vere]

I’ve never been a fan of LJ and I don’t think he’ll ever make us particularly successful. We’ll stumble along, look like we’re on the right track at times, have a bit of hope, then it’ll go tits up again.

But last night is more in the players for me. They didn’t do the basic things you need to do to win a game of football. That team we put out should be winning that game easily against a bunch of part timers.

It’s just feels like it’ll be a continuous cycle of what we’ve seen in his time here for me and it’s infuriating given the way we are backing him.

I agree on the player front. Some showed why they shouldn’t be pulling on the shirt at all. Newell got pass marks for me, not sure after that. Defence plundered again, welcome back Will Fish. But on the LJ out nonsense, let’s see how this new squad pans out over the next couple of months. I do feel he cares about the club. Yes this was a pile of crap but the players really let us and themselves down. I feel sure we will turn this around by 3-4 goals at ER. Let’s calm down as the man said and see what the next few games brings. Maybe that’s the kick up the arse we need and we are not that complacent again this season.

[Greenio]

You have a short memory if you are thinking it is only one bad result..

Didn't see the 'sack Lee Johnson' thread yesterday

[WhileTheChief..]

To be fair that first paragraph is basically Hibs in a nutshell regardless of manager.

In the past yeah, but when RG came in, it was all about us improving.

I think some of us were hoping we'd see that improvement, instead of more of what we've had before.

[tamig]

The KPI is 4th and Cup Semis. Based on that he was lucky to keep his job. Ending 5th after a bad run doesn’t negate the fact that we went on a bad run. It just glossed over slightly what was a bad season. If he doesn’t hit the targets this season then Ben K should be moved on.
People don’t generally get bumped for failing to meet their KPIs. Improvement is needed. If he fails again the outcome will probably be different. I would disagree we failed miserably. And there are a few important factors - like long term injury to key players - that also need considered when you look at the bigger picture. He needs to do better this season.

[DH1875]

Everyone knows my thoughts on the guy and if it were me he'd have been sacked way before now.
So.....that being said. No chance we are sacking him before next week and I fully expect us to win next week so no chance he's getting sacked then either.

[ehf]

You have a short memory if you are thinking it is only one bad result..

:agree: His entire tenure has been characterised by woeful recruitment, inadequate match preparation, baffling team selections/player deployment, failure to motivate the players, lamentable in-game management and cringe-worthy post-match excuses.

[I'm Spartacus]

If it's on twitter posted by a fan then it must be 100% true then 🤔


Twitter. Must be true then… **** sake

It can't be true.................... there's no such thing as Twitter :)

[I'm Spartacus]

:agree: His entire tenure has been characterised by woeful recruitment, inadequate match preparation, baffling team selections/player deployment, failure to motivate the players, lamentable in-game management and cringe-worthy post-match excuses.

Whats with the 'match day -1' comment? Plus 'Box entries'.

What's he jibbering on about?

[flash]

In the past yeah, but when RG came in, it was all about us improving.

I think some of us were hoping we'd see that improvement, instead of more of what we've had before.

Absolutely but outwith the top two that level of consistency has proved incredibly hard to maintain though McInnes did a really good job of it for a few years at Aberdeen.

[matty_f]

Whats with the 'match day -1' comment? Plus 'Box entries'.

What's he jibbering on about?

I think that's common when they're talking about matchday prep.

His "we want red arrows coming off them" comment was a new one though.

[GloryGlory]

Absolutely but outwith the top two that level of consistency has proved incredibly hard to maintain though McInnes did a really good job of it for a few years at Aberdeen.

McInnes had a few seasons of The Rangers being in the lower leagues, did he not?

[WhileTheChief..]

Agreed. It kinda makes it worse though.

Neither Aberdeen nor Hearts look like they're anywhere near that level of consistency either, meaning it's up for grabs.

Hearts are doing their thing of screwing up from a decent position, we should be ready to take advantage.

It feels like the last 3 seasons have been a wasted opportunity for us to kick on.

[Hermit Crab]

I think that's common when they're talking about matchday prep.

His "we want red arrows coming off them" comment was a new one though.


Yeah, a very strange comment that. What does that even mean?

[flash]

McInnes had a few seasons of The Rangers being in the lower leagues, did he not?

Aye that certainly helped but think they were best of the rest for quite a few seasons.

[flash]

I think that's common when they're talking about matchday prep.

His "we want red arrows coming off them" comment was a new one though.

Big fan of the Red Arrows so look forward to the fly past just before 715 next Thursday.

[ScottB]

Not sure if he felt he was making some sort of point to the club by starting guys he said weren’t ready or who weren’t deemed good enough to even be at the club last season, or more likely, as with last season, he completely underestimated a relatively lowly cup opponent.

Regardless, the players should have had enough about them to get over the line regardless of what LJ was getting up to, but the suspicion remains that he’s just not up to it.

[JeMeSouviens]

Yeah, a very strange comment that. What does that even mean?

It means our manager is a slaver. :rolleyes:

[B.H.F.C]

I agree on the player front. Some showed why they shouldn’t be pulling on the shirt at all. Newell got pass marks for me, not sure after that. Defence plundered again, welcome back Will Fish. But on the LJ out nonsense, let’s see how this new squad pans out over the next couple of months. I do feel he cares about the club. Yes this was a pile of crap but the players really let us and themselves down. I feel sure we will turn this around by 3-4 goals at ER. Let’s calm down as the man said and see what the next few games brings. Maybe that’s the kick up the arse we need and we are not that complacent again this season.

Whilst I think the players are badly at fault, I disagree with him completely about it being a wake up call. It’s his job to make sure they don’t need it and, after the start to last season, he should have been making sure no kick up the arse was required when starting this one.

[I'm Spartacus]

I think that's common when they're talking about matchday prep.

His "we want red arrows coming off them" comment was a new one though.

I had cringed myself into a ball before that line was delivered.

[B.H.F.C]

Not sure if he felt he was making some sort of point to the club by starting guys he said weren’t ready or who weren’t deemed good enough to even be at the club last season, or more likely, as with last season, he completely underestimated a relatively lowly cup opponent.

Regardless, the players should have had enough about them to get over the line regardless of what LJ was getting up to, but the suspicion remains that he’s just not up to it.

I don’t think he underestimated them yesterday in terms of the team he put out. Availability of Fish and Obita would have meant no Rocky and Melkersen. Think Newell was on the bench due to just being back. Obviously we knew Boyle wasn’t going to be playing but putting him on the bench and the cheerleader talk was stupid. Those four make a big difference to the team. And if he can’t see that Marshall now needs dropped that’s a sackable offence in itself.

[I'm Spartacus]

I don’t think he underestimated them yesterday in terms of the team he put out. Availability of Fish and Obita would have meant no Rocky and Melkersen. Think Newell was on the bench due to just being back. Obviously we knew Boyle wasn’t going to be playing but putting him on the bench and the cheerleader talk was stupid. Those four make a big difference to the team. And if he can’t see that Marshall now needs dropped that’s a sackable offence in itself.

Rocky isn't the first name on the team sheet, but he was one of our better performers in the second half of last season.

[B.H.F.C]

Rocky isn't the first name on the team sheet, but he was one of our better performers in the second half of last season.

Rocky missed the second half last season which (not entirely down to his absence) coincided with our better form.

[sauzeelegod]

He did change things, though. Changed the formation and made 2 subs at half time. So I guess he must be a good manager?

Didn’t get to see the game, was still at work. What formation did we switch to in the second half? 442?

[Hibees1973]

I think that's common when they're talking about matchday prep.

His "we want red arrows coming off them" comment was a new one though.

Yes, another Johnson soundbite to go along with the others. Continuing with his ability to irritate and stoke up more disapproval with his inane comments.

Most other Hibs supporters I know are done with him. The amount of money he has had to spend with players sold and money provided by the Gordon's is the worst thing.

I want him gone asap so he doesn't waste any more money.

The Gordon's must be commended for the financial support they have given Hibs. But their appointments of people to key roles at the club is lamentable.

[GloryGlory]

Didn’t get to see the game, was still at work. What formation did we switch to in the second half? 442?

We started with a who can hoof the ball the furthest away from another Hibs player and switched to a who can hoof the ball even further away from another Hibs player.

[ScottB]

I don’t think he underestimated them yesterday in terms of the team he put out. Availability of Fish and Obita would have meant no Rocky and Melkersen. Think Newell was on the bench due to just being back. Obviously we knew Boyle wasn’t going to be playing but putting him on the bench and the cheerleader talk was stupid. Those four make a big difference to the team. And if he can’t see that Marshall now needs dropped that’s a sackable offence in itself.

Underestimated in terms of tactics or motivation I guess? Can’t help but compare with the League Cup group stage mess a year ago…

[B.H.F.C]

Underestimated in terms of tactics or motivation I guess? Can’t help but compare with the League Cup group stage mess a year ago…

Again I’m no sure that’s him underestimating anything, just lacking the ability to do his job.

[flash]

We started with a who can hoof the ball the furthest away from another Hibs player and switched to a who can hoof the ball even further away from another Hibs player.

Except we didn't did we?

We were much better in the second half not that it's much of a compliment.

[Nicho87]

That so called easier start to the league better go to plan otherwise I think knives will be out in much higher numbers.

Lose the first couple of games in the league and I think he’d struggle to win back the fans.

[jeffers]

That so called easier start to the league better go to plan otherwise I think knives will be out in much higher numbers.

Lose the first couple of games in the league and I think he’d struggle to win back the fans.

I don’t think he’s ever going to be more than a few defeats away from the knives being out tbh. My thoughts on him are clear but I don’t know any Hibs fans who really like him. I remember St Mirren away last season, early on in his tenure, the abuse he received at the end of that game surprised me.

[Pretty Boy]

It's something I hadn't really thought about until I read it on Twitter but Johnson is the best backed manager in Hibs history, certainly since Bosman and possibly with the exception of a very short period under McLeish.

The money we have thrown about whilst he is in charge dwarves anything Stubbs, Lennon and Ross had. He needs to deliver on that backing and I think he will be under huge pressure from within the club to do so this season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Rocky isn't the first name on the team sheet, but he was one of our better performers in the second half of last season.

Rocky missed the second half of last season?

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t think he’s ever going to be more than a few defeats away from the knives being out tbh. My thoughts on him are clear but I don’t know any Hibs fans who really like him. I remember St Mirren away last season, early on in his tenure, the abuse he received at the end of that game surprised me.

For whatever reason, a lot of folk (me included have never really taken to him or never really been convinced by him). In truth it’s probably just because he came in and initial results were crap.

He’d started to win me round a bit second half of the season when I thought we were much improved with the exception of the period in March. I thought we had something to build on but the first competitive game back and you’ve reverted to being an absolute shambles.

I still don’t think we’ve had a bad window (striker aside) and a bigger issue last night was availability of some of those players as well as Johnson choosing not to play some of them.

I just can’t see things ever being much different to how they’ve been in his time here.

[hibbydog]

I agree that there are plenty reasons that Johnson is a turnip and needs to be given his jotters.

But.. Since 2000 we've had the following managers

McLeish
Sauzee
Williamson
Mowbray
Collins
Mixu
Hughes
Calderwood
Fenlon
Butcher
Stubbs
Lennon
Heckingbottom
Ross
Maloney
Johnson


16 managers in 23 years. I'd argue that only 5 of them did a good job (McLeish, Mowbray, Stubbs, Lennon and Ross). Pretty strong evidence that changing the manager doesnt improve things. If we sacked Johnson I'd have little confidence in the next guy's ability to do any better. And we are in a constant state of change; Johnson is still working with previous managers' players and it takes time to change that.

I think its high time we backed a manager, let him make mistakes, learn from them and improve as we go. A period of prolonged stability would do us good.

[I'm Spartacus]

Rocky isn't the first name on the team sheet, but he was one of our better performers in the second half of last season.


Rocky missed the second half last season which (not entirely down to his absence) coincided with our better form.

I meant first half pre-January, no idea why I typed second! Heid's mince and I'm blaming the altitude (here in the Broxburn office!)

[WhileTheChief..]

^^ You're basically saying stick with what we've got 'cause change is bad?

I'd be up for that it if it was one of the 5 managers you rated, not with one of the failures though.

I don't get why we want to stick with a guy who isn't really doing a good job? Why not try and find someone better, then stick with him?

[jeffers]

For whatever reason, a lot of folk (me included have never really taken to him or never really been convinced by him). In truth it’s probably just because he came in and initial results were crap.

He’d started to win me round a bit second half of the season when I thought we were much improved with the exception of the period in March. I thought we had something to build on but the first competitive game back and you’ve reverted to being an absolute shambles.

I still don’t think we’ve had a bad window (striker aside) and a bigger issue last night was availability of some of those players as well as Johnson choosing not to play some of them.

I just can’t see things ever being much different to how they’ve been in his time here.

I’m the same, never taken to him, then he “knew better” with last year’s LC campaign where he was told the importance of it to us yet still treated it as pre season. Alarm bells were ringing.

The club do view him as a good coach and he can have zero arguments at the backing he’s had this window, but like you I expect much the same from his team. Good spells followed by poor ones with questionable selections/tactics and yet more sound bites.

The new signings obviously need to show it on the pitch, but on paper I think we have at least a decent starting 11, so time for excuses is over imo.

[The Modfather]

I agree that there are plenty reasons that Johnson is a turnip and needs to be given his jotters.

But.. Since 2000 we've had the following managers

McLeish
Sauzee
Williamson
Mowbray
Collins
Mixu
Hughes
Calderwood
Fenlon
Butcher
Stubbs
Lennon
Heckingbottom
Ross
Maloney
Johnson


16 managers in 23 years. Pretty strong evidence that changing the manager doesnt improve things. If we sacked Johnson I'd have littel confidence in the next guy's ability to do any better. And we are in a constant state of change; Johnson is still working with previous managers' players and it takes time to change that.

I think its high time we backed a manager, let him make mistakes, learn from them and improve as we go. A period of prolonged stability would do us good.

There’s no prolonged stability anymore, certainly not in Scottish football anyway. Each season is a rebuild to varying degrees. Either because we got recruitment badly wrong, usually the reason for our rebuild. Or you lose your best players, McGinn, Porteous, Nisbet etc.

I’m not bothered about Johnson. Much like Ross, steady enough but won’t remember him or look back on his time here with any real fondness in years to come.

When Johnson is inevitably sacked I’d like to see us go down the up and coming young manager path, high energy attacking football. Where a key focus is bringing through our own youth players. Maloney was poor and I’d certainly not make much of a case for sacking him being the wrong decision. However if we’re going down that route do it properly. Not parachute someone into a team in free fall, sell Boyle and not give him the opportunity to bring in players to fit the style he wants to implement, and presumably the sales pitch that got him the job in the first place.

[Jones28]

^^ You're basically saying stick with what we've got 'cause change is bad?

I'd be up for that it if it was one of the 5 managers you rated, not with one of the failures though.

I don't get why we want to stick with a guy who isn't really doing a good job? Why not try and find someone better, then stick with him?

The club have backed him to the tune of £2 million or thereabouts this window. Providing we progress in the tie, Johnson is with us for the season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There’s no prolonged stability anymore, certainly not in Scottish football anyway. Each season is a rebuild to varying degrees. Either because we got recruitment badly wrong, usually the reason for our rebuild. Or you lose your best players, McGinn, Porteous, Nisbet etc.

I’m not bothered about Johnson. Much like Ross, steady enough but won’t remember him or look back on his time here with any real fondness in years to come.

When Johnson is inevitably sacked I’d like to see us go down the up and coming young manager path, high energy attacking football. Where a key focus is bringing through our own youth players. Maloney was poor and I’d certainly not make much of a case for sacking him being the wrong decision. However if we’re going down that route do it properly. Not parachute someone into a team in free fall, sell Boyle and not give him the opportunity to bring in players to fit the style he wants to implement, and presumably the sales pitch that got him the job in the first place.

Agree with your last paragraph.

Maloney was a disaster but he was thrown under the bus. God awful players given to him, his best player who was carrying the team sold the minute he got in the door and taking over a team in free fall. It was only going to go one way. When you see some of the players he had to choose from (look at the team that played Hearts at Hampden for example) you can start to see why we were so bad. The players simply weren’t there.

I’d like to see a young manager with an attacking philosophy in next, but have them properly backed, not absolutely butchered like the club done with Maloney.

[Donegal Hibby]

I agree that there are plenty reasons that Johnson is a turnip and needs to be given his jotters.

But.. Since 2000 we've had the following managers

McLeish
Sauzee
Williamson
Mowbray
Collins
Mixu
Hughes
Calderwood
Fenlon
Butcher
Stubbs
Lennon
Heckingbottom
Ross
Maloney
Johnson


16 managers in 23 years. I'd argue that only 5 of them did a good job (McLeish, Mowbray, Stubbs, Lennon and Ross). Pretty strong evidence that changing the manager doesnt improve things. If we sacked Johnson I'd have little confidence in the next guy's ability to do any better. And we are in a constant state of change; Johnson is still working with previous managers' players and it takes time to change that.

I think its high time we backed a manager, let him make mistakes, learn from them and improve as we go. A period of prolonged stability would do us good.
That's a lot of managers in the last 23 years . The 5 you say that did a good Job I'd agree with though could it be said 3 of them we were on the decline before they left in McLeish , Lennon and Ross ?.

I'd be one of the Hibs fans that really like LJ though there does seems to be some in our support that through just having a dislike for him will jump on every opportunity to call for his head rather than backing him. I still think we will win and go through in our 2nd leg which will calm thing's down abit untill we lose again and the " manager must go " starts again.

[overdrive]

That's a lot of managers in the last 23 years . The 5 you say that did a good Job I'd agree with though could it be said 3 of them we were on the decline before they left in McLeish , Lennon and Ross ?.

I'd be one of the Hibs fans that really like LJ though there does seems to be some in our support that through just having a dislike for him will jump on every opportunity to call for his head rather than backing him. I still think we will win and go through in our 2nd leg which will calm thing's down abit untill we lose again and the " manager must go " starts again.

Stubbs was probably on the decline too. There were folk wanting him sacked until the cup win and approach from Rotherham saved him.

[Jones28]

That's a lot of managers in the last 23 years . The 5 you say that did a good Job I'd agree with though could it be said 3 of them we were on the decline before they left in McLeish , Lennon and Ross ?.

I'd be one of the Hibs fans that really like LJ though there does seems to be some in our support that through just having a dislike for him will jump on every opportunity to call for his head rather than backing him. I still think we will win and go through in our 2nd leg which will calm thing's down abit untill we lose again and the " manager must go " starts again.

That's part of it too. Some of the support, myself included, really wanted the guy that ended up at Blackburn and were disappointed we ended up with LJ. Some of us got over it and tried to look at things more subjectively, others didn't for whatever reason and LJ has never recovered.

Some of the criticism is justified, some of it is way ott. All the stuff about him being arrogant etc is just bollocks. Someone was having a go at him for having his teeth whitened FFS.

[jeffers]

That's a lot of managers in the last 23 years . The 5 you say that did a good Job I'd agree with though could it be said 3 of them we were on the decline before they left in McLeish , Lennon and Ross ?.

I'd be one of the Hibs fans that really like LJ though there does seems to be some in our support that through just having a dislike for him will jump on every opportunity to call for his head rather than backing him. I still think we will win and go through in our 2nd leg which will calm thing's down abit untill we lose again and the " manager must go " starts again.

You are consistent in defending him. Out of interest what is it you like about him ? I could give a number of reasons why I don’t like him…

[Paulie Walnuts]

That's a lot of managers in the last 23 years . The 5 you say that did a good Job I'd agree with though could it be said 3 of them we were on the decline before they left in McLeish , Lennon and Ross ?.

I'd be one of the Hibs fans that really like LJ though there does seems to be some in our support that through just having a dislike for him will jump on every opportunity to call for his head rather than backing him. I still think we will win and go through in our 2nd leg which will calm thing's down abit untill we lose again and the " manager must go " starts again.

Or maybe some people just don’t rate him just like you do rate him? It doesn’t need to be the case that people have a dislike for him just because they don’t agree with you.

[Jones28]

That's a lot of managers in the last 23 years . The 5 you say that did a good Job I'd agree with though could it be said 3 of them we were on the decline before they left in McLeish , Lennon and Ross ?.

I'd be one of the Hibs fans that really like LJ though there does seems to be some in our support that through just having a dislike for him will jump on every opportunity to call for his head rather than backing him. I still think we will win and go through in our 2nd leg which will calm thing's down abit untill we lose again and the " manager must go " starts again.

16 managers in 23 years, only 2 of whom have gone on to better their careers (and Stubbs who made what is a backwards diagonal move at best to Rotherham). This would suggest that the Hibs managers job is a really tough gig.

[Just_Jimmy]

I agree that there are plenty reasons that Johnson is a turnip and needs to be given his jotters.

But.. Since 2000 we've had the following managers

McLeish
Sauzee
Williamson
Mowbray
Collins
Mixu
Hughes
Calderwood
Fenlon
Butcher
Stubbs
Lennon
Heckingbottom
Ross
Maloney
Johnson


16 managers in 23 years. I'd argue that only 5 of them did a good job (McLeish, Mowbray, Stubbs, Lennon and Ross). Pretty strong evidence that changing the manager doesnt improve things. If we sacked Johnson I'd have little confidence in the next guy's ability to do any better. And we are in a constant state of change; Johnson is still working with previous managers' players and it takes time to change that.

I think its high time we backed a manager, let him make mistakes, learn from them and improve as we go. A period of prolonged stability would do us good.Collins won a cup, mixu and Hughes got us into Europe.

If Ross is a success then so are they.

I'd argue only Mcleish, Mowbray, Collins and Stubbs from that list.

Two played exceptional football and two won cups.

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[Brightside]

You are consistent in defending him. Out of interest what is it you like about him ? I could give a number of reasons why I don’t like him…

I'd love to hear the reasons for "really liking him" too.

[Bridge hibs]

That's part of it too. Some of the support, myself included, really wanted the guy that ended up at Blackburn and were disappointed we ended up with LJ. Some of us got over it and tried to look at things more subjectively, others didn't for whatever reason and LJ has never recovered.

Some of the criticism is justified, some of it is way ott. All the stuff about him being arrogant etc is just bollocks. Someone was having a go at him for having his teeth whitened FFS.The teeth whitening stuff was in jest surely ?

Im neither here nor there with Johnson to be honest, I wont hide behind a keyboard and call him childish names but my patience is starting to wear a bit thin, moreso after last night

If Johnson was to go tomorrow I certainly wouldnt shed a tear, however if he continues in the same vein as last night then I will be shedding a barrel load, my nerves are shredded as it is watching hibs

[Paulie Walnuts]

16 managers in 23 years, only 2 of whom have gone on to better their careers (and Stubbs who made what is a backwards diagonal move at best to Rotherham). This would suggest that the Hibs managers job is a really tough gig.

Think it also shows that they also weren’t all that as managers. It’s not like we go around sacking managers who are excellent, they’re poor with us and then generally continue to be poor. It doesn’t exactly scream that any of them would have improved us had they stuck around.

[Jones28]

The teeth whitening stuff was in jest surely ?

Im neither here nor there with Johnson to be honest, I wont hide behind a keyboard and call him childish names but my patience is starting to wear a bit thin, moreso after last night

If Johnson was to go tomorrow I certainly wouldnt shed a tear, however if he continues in the same vein as last night then I will be shedding a barrel load, my nerves are shredded as it is watching hibs

It didn't read like that in context with the rest of the post - if I could be arsed I'd try and find it.

I agree, if he were to resign tomorrow I couldn't care less. I wanted him gone after the derby defeat in the cup and was on over by the following few weeks that were very positive so I'm hopeful we go on a run of decent results.

[Pretty Boy]

I agree that there are plenty reasons that Johnson is a turnip and needs to be given his jotters.

But.. Since 2000 we've had the following managers

McLeish
Sauzee
Williamson
Mowbray
Collins
Mixu
Hughes
Calderwood
Fenlon
Butcher
Stubbs
Lennon
Heckingbottom
Ross
Maloney
Johnson


16 managers in 23 years. I'd argue that only 5 of them did a good job (McLeish, Mowbray, Stubbs, Lennon and Ross). Pretty strong evidence that changing the manager doesnt improve things. If we sacked Johnson I'd have little confidence in the next guy's ability to do any better. And we are in a constant state of change; Johnson is still working with previous managers' players and it takes time to change that.

I think its high time we backed a manager, let him make mistakes, learn from them and improve as we go. A period of prolonged stability would do us good.

I think when you look at that list it's possible to argue it is evidence changing a manager improves things, certainly short term.

McLeish was an improvement on Duffy
Williamson on Sauzee
Mowbray on Williamson
Hughes on Mixu
Fenlon on Calderwood
Stubbs on Butcher
Lennon on Stubbs (possibly the most debatable)
Ross on Heckingbottom
Johnson on Maloney

Ultimately football management in Scotland is a short term venture. You could post lists that are comparable to the above for about 90% of Premiership teams. If changing a manager brings you a couple of cups runs and a 3rd or 4th place finish even fleetingly then you do it. A manager who does a good job will be poached by a bigger or richer club, one who does a crap job will be sacked. We'll never have a manager for more than 3 or 4 seasons anytime soon.

It's also worth pointing out very few of them went on to any great success elsewhere. It suggests we aren't in the habit of erroneously sacking really good managers on a regular basis.

[Jones28]

Think it also shows that they also weren’t all that as managers. It’s not like we go around sacking managers who are excellent, they’re poor with us and then generally continue to be poor. It doesn’t exactly scream that any of them would have improved us had they stuck around.

Theres a bit of that, but generally speaking the managers that came to the club were in jobs already and had some sort of track record, no?

McLeish - finished second behind Rangers in his first season in management. Proven track record.
Sauzee - Legendary player. Didnt work out.
Williamson - Scottish Cup winner and European football at Killie. Proven track record.
Mowbray - Hibs his first managers job but highly thought of coach.
Collins - Ex player, Hibs his first managers job.
Mixu - Cowdenbeath, first league title in 67 years, TPS European football. Track record, though not as proven.
Hughes - Did a great job with Falkirk, cup finalists and a record for developing young talent. Proven track record and has achieved even more since leaving Hibs.
Calderwood - NO
Fenlon - Fantastic record in Ireland. Proven.
Butcher - worked wonders with ICT, proven track record, the ****** that he is.
Stubbs - Highly thought of at Everton, interviewed for the job before Martinez.
Lennon - Probably the most successful manager we'd ever appointed.
Heckingbottom - Sacked by Leeds, some say very harshly, probably can't argue he had a track record but look at him now.
Ross - Similar to Heckingbottom, harshly sacked by Sunderland but had a good record prior to that. Proven track record.
Maloney - highly thought of coach working at the top level of international football. Not a proven track record though.
Johnson - 2 successful moves, longest serving championshp manager when at Bristol, won a cup with Sunderland and many feel he was prematurely.


The ones in bold I'd argue came to Hibs with track records and the only ones that were real punts were Maloney, Collins and Sauzee.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think when you look at that list it's possible to argue it is evidence changing a manager improves things, certainly short term.

McLeish was an improvement on Duffy
Williamson on Sauzee
Mowbray on Williamson
Hughes on Mixu
Fenlon on Calderwood
Stubbs on Butcher
Lennon on Stubbs (possibly the most debatable)
Ross on Heckingbottom
Johnson on Maloney

Ultimately football management in Scotland is a short term venture. You could post lists that are comparable to the above for about 90% of Premiership teams. If changing a manager brings you a couple of cups runs and a 3rd or 4th place finish even fleetingly then you do it. A manager who does a good job will be poached by a bigger or richer club, one who does a crap job will be sacked. We'll never have a manager for more than 3 or 4 seasons anytime soon.

It's also worth pointing out very few of them went on to any great success elsewhere. It suggests we aren't in the habit of erroneously sacking really good managers on a regular basis.

:agree:

Even the much vaunted Jack Ross had us on a horror run, got a new job, carried on his horrendous form but to an even greater degree and is now virtually unemployable at our sort of level.

I’m not sure the idea were some trigger happy club stands up to much scrutiny. When we sack a manager it’s usually justifiable and they usually don’t go on to greater things.

[DH1875]

Never understood the you can't sack a guy who is poor at their job because you already sacked the previous guy who was poor at their job 🤔

[Paulie Walnuts]

Theres a bit of that, but generally speaking the managers that came to the club were in jobs already and had some sort of track record, no?

McLeish - finished second behind Rangers in his first season in management. Proven track record.
Sauzee - Legendary player. Didnt work out.
Williamson - Scottish Cup winner and European football at Killie. Proven track record.
Mowbray - Hibs his first managers job but highly thought of coach.
Collins - Ex player, Hibs his first managers job.
Mixu - Cowdenbeath, first league title in 67 years, TPS European football. Track record, though not as proven.
Hughes - Did a great job with Falkirk, cup finalists and a record for developing young talent. Proven track record and has achieved even more since leaving Hibs.
Calderwood - NO
Fenlon - Fantastic record in Ireland. Proven.
Butcher - worked wonders with ICT, proven track record, the ****** that he is.
Stubbs - Highly thought of at Everton, interviewed for the job before Martinez.
Lennon - Probably the most successful manager we'd ever appointed.
Heckingbottom - Sacked by Leeds, some say very harshly, probably can't argue he had a track record but look at him now.
Ross - Similar to Heckingbottom, harshly sacked by Sunderland but had a good record prior to that. Proven track record.
Maloney - highly thought of coach working at the top level of international football. Not a proven track record though.
Johnson - 2 successful moves, longest serving championshp manager when at Bristol, won a cup with Sunderland and many feel he was prematurely.


The ones in bold I'd argue came to Hibs with track records and the only ones that were real punts were Maloney, Collins and Sauzee.

Yeah that’s fair.

I still think it’s telling that Heckingbottom is the only sacked manager to have left us and went onto a higher level though.

[hibsforeurope]

I wouldn't say he should go after last night (although it does add more fuel to the fire) but that result has certainly killed the buzz (for me anyway) for the new season.

Much like last year he's starting the league games on the back foot.

[Bridge hibs]

I wouldn't say he should go after last night (although it does add more fuel to the fire) but that result has certainly killed the buzz (for me anyway) for the new season.

Much like last year he's starting the league games on the back foot.

How is he starting the league games on the back foot ? We give them a doing prior to our KO on the Sunday v St Mirren then thats surely starting on the front foot ?

[S4uzee]

It isn't "one bad result" though.

1-4 Rangers
3-0 Hearts
0-3 Hearts
0-4 Celtic
6-1 Celtic
4-1 Aberdeen

^^^^ Just to name a few, and that is only games we have lost by 3 or more. The players need to take responsibility aswell 100% but the recruitment has been shocking overall with the exception of maybe 1 or 2.
Add in

Falkirk
Morton
Ross County 0-2
Motherwell 1-3
Beaten twice from relegated Dundee Utd
Played several games v 10 men

[basehibby]

No no no.

I pointed out last season that we were playing more attractive football under LJ than his predecessors. For sure that does NOT apply to yesterday's display, however, like last season, I fully expect the team to start producing winning and entertaining performances once in the Groove.
Yesterday's performance WAS dire but I fully expect it to be ameliorated next Thu and for Hibs to be in the next round.
I will not criticise the fans that travelled and chose to let Johnson and the team know exactly what they thought of that performance - it was pish! I don't agree however that the players were not trying or that players that were putting in good performances last term have suddenly become pish over the summer. They were rusty - they need to blow away those cobwebs pronto and get on thir game. I believe it will happen though and that our manager- JOHNSON - will lead us into the next round and into an improved campaign from last term.
Rome was not built in a day - have some patience please.

[Trinity Hibee]

How is he starting the league games on the back foot ? We give them a doing prior to our KO on the Sunday v St Mirren then thats surely starting on the front foot ?

Because he has another terrible result on this CV. Same as the league cup last season. Surely not difficult to see that yesterday is just adding to the reasons fans want rid or will want rid if results in the league don’t start well. It’s all just adding to the pressure he is under now. No one to blame but himself I’m afraid

[Bushwoof]

We only have a 1 goal deficit to overturn on Thursday. If we'd come back from, say, Dinamo Zagreb with a 2-1 defeat we'd still be hopeful of progressing, so we should be confident of beating the Andorran lot. And then it's game on again.

[hibsforeurope]

How is he starting the league games on the back foot ? We give them a doing prior to our KO on the Sunday v St Mirren then thats surely starting on the front foot ?

aye fine losing that last night is totally ok, just like losing to Falkirk and Morton was last year? giving them a doing still doesn't hide the fact we lost this game.

[Steven79]

No no no.

I pointed out last season that we were playing more attractive football under LJ than his predecessors. For sure that does NOT apply to yesterday's display, however, like last season, I fully expect the team to start producing winning and entertaining performances once in the Groove.
Yesterday's performance WAS dire but I fully expect it to be ameliorated next Thu and for Hibs to be in the next round.
I will not criticise the fans that travelled and chose to let Johnson and the team know exactly what they thought of that performance - it was pish! I don't agree however that the players were not trying or that players that were putting in good performances last term have suddenly become pish over the summer. They were rusty - they need to blow away those cobwebs pronto and get on thir game. I believe it will happen though and that our manager- JOHNSON - will lead us into the next round and into an improved campaign from last term.
Rome was not built in a day - have some patience please.Lee slip you a tenner to post that? [emoji1787]

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[Donegal Hibby]

That's part of it too. Some of the support, myself included, really wanted the guy that ended up at Blackburn and were disappointed we ended up with LJ. Some of us got over it and tried to look at things more subjectively, others didn't for whatever reason and LJ has never recovered.

Some of the criticism is justified, some of it is way ott. All the stuff about him being arrogant etc is just bollocks. Someone was having a go at him for having his teeth whitened FFS.

Good post btw mate👍. I always felt when LJ got the job over JDT there was going to be a lot of disappointed Hibby's though I had hoped most would get over it though I don't think that's the case at all tbh . I agree that some of the criticism aimed at the manager is justified though a lot is away OTT and abit bordering on being venomous at times.

I suppose what I want to see the most is some stability when it comes to a Hibs manager and not the constant sacking and hiring we have had the past while . Yesterday's result was awful and there's no getting away from that though I still think we will win and get through and have a good season TBH .

Though the games we lose over the course of the season will probably have some fans calling for the manager's head at the first chance they get and I have to say in all honesty this has been the most disappointing thing for me as I always thought as a support we were stronger and more loyal tbf .

[Since452]

LJ is very similar to Jack Ross in the sense that some didn't want them in the first place. They will jump on any opportunity to slaughter them on social media. It will be rinse and repeat as no manager will be almost universally accepted. The last one I can remember being accepted almost by everyone was Terry Butcher. That worked out well. FWIW I think we dodged a bullet with the now Blackburn manager.

[Bridge hibs]

aye fine losing that last night is totally ok, just like losing to Falkirk and Morton was last year? giving them a doing still doesn't hide the fact we lost this game.

Eh calm yer jets, I never said last night was ok, are we going to go by last seasons results to judge him then ? So lets say we we get a decent run in Europe, a decent run in the cups and qualify for Europe next season, we will still judge him on previous seasons, is that the way it works ?

[Bridge hibs]

Because he has another terrible result on this CV. Same as the league cup last season. Surely not difficult to see that yesterday is just adding to the reasons fans want rid or will want rid if results in the league don’t start well. It’s all just adding to the pressure he is under now. No one to blame but himself I’m afraidI get that mate but every manager experiences ****ty results worldwide, we have to see what next week and thereafter brings before we ready his noose, last night was an embarrassment, can it get any worse ? 😵

[Paulie Walnuts]

LJ is very similar to Jack Ross in the sense that some didn't want them in the first place. They will jump on any opportunity to slaughter them on social media. It will be rinse and repeat as no manager will be almost universally accepted. The last one I can remember being accepted almost by everyone was Terry Butcher. That worked out well. FWIW I think we dodged a bullet with the now Blackburn manager.

The now Blackburn manager that delivered their best season since they fell out the Premiership a decade ago?

[Trinity Hibee]

I get that mate but every manager experiences ****ty results worldwide, we have to see what next week and thereafter brings before we ready his noose, last night was an embarrassment, can it get any worse ? 😵

You’d like to think not

[hibsforeurope]

Eh calm yer jets, I never said last night was ok, are we going to go by last seasons results to judge him then ? So lets say we we get a decent run in Europe, a decent run in the cups and qualify for Europe next season, we will still judge him on previous seasons, is that the way it works ?

if we get a decent run in the cups, and improve the league position on last year i guess pervious poor results will become a distant memory. but results like last night just open up unhealed wounds.

Whether you like LJ or not results will dictate his future. It's hard to argue against the perception/fact we've, currently, had more poor results than good.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Eh calm yer jets, I never said last night was ok, are we going to go by last seasons results to judge him then ? So lets say we we get a decent run in Europe, a decent run in the cups and qualify for Europe next season, we will still judge him on previous seasons, is that the way it works ?

Why would we not use last seasons results to judge him? It’s part of his tenure.

If we have a great run in Europe, a decent run in the cup, qualify for Europe next season etc then that will supersede last season. If it’s more of the same then it’ll be another season where he’s not delivered enough.

[Bridge hibs]

if we get a decent run in the cups, and improve the league position on last year i guess pervious poor results will become a distant memory. but results like last night just open up unhealed wounds.

Whether you like LJ or not results will dictate his future. It's hard to argue against the perception/fact we've, currently, had more poor results than good.We have had poor results and that cant be disputed but we have made signings this season to improve the team plus having Boyle back will hopefully make a difference. Last season is gone, the new season is upon us and whilst I fully expect a reaction on Thursday, that will hopefully set us up for a more difficult home league game, in which we should hopefully expect to see another Striker and Fish playing, alongside Boyle

[Bridge hibs]

Why would we not use last seasons results to judge him? It’s part of his tenure.

If we have a great run in Europe, a decent run in the cup, qualify for Europe next season etc then that will supersede last season. If it’s more of the same then it’ll be another season where he’s not delivered enough.You can, crack on, its what he does this season that is important to me 👍

[basehibby]

Lee slip you a tenner to post that? [emoji1787]

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No bribery necessary.

I just seem to be one of a minority on here that view football managers as fallible human beings who can get things wrong AND still be good at their jobs and produce good football going forward.

I'm also of the opinion that success is most likely when there is continuity and consistency of approach from the dugout. I also know from bitter experience that there is ZERO guarantee of success for ANY manager and that chopping and changing is always a gamble.

With LJ I have seen considerable promise in the shape of an improving team last term that made a habit of raining 20+ shots on the opposition goal. I want to see more of that.

[GreenGray]

LJ is very similar to Jack Ross in the sense that some didn't want them in the first place. They will jump on any opportunity to slaughter them on social media. It will be rinse and repeat as no manager will be almost universally accepted. The last one I can remember being accepted almost by everyone was Terry Butcher. That worked out well. FWIW I think we dodged a bullet with the now Blackburn manager.

I initially didn’t want Johnson but got behind him once he was announced. Gave him the benefit of the doubt after the LC groups and defended him.

I started to lose faith after the poor runs of form and the Christmas derby at Tynecastle.

I don’t think it’s fair to say people never wanted him that’s why they don’t back him now. There has been numerous reasons to turn people off Johnson and frankly you have to understand why many want him out.


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[eastmainsmsh]

The thing is he has signed players he wants and cant get a tune out them say a new manager came in and has to clear decks then its same old scenario

[Torto7]

I'll get my pitch fork out if we don't do the business in the home leg until them its just a blip imo. It's also not LJ's fault that two experienced players in Hanlon and Stevenson are so thick that they can't take it upon themselves to read games. The diddy team switched the big striker onto Lewis umpteen times(hardly revolutionary tactics) and rather than switching with Hanlon they both stood there like robots. Hanlon also seems to have his feet permanently nailed to the floor. Ironically the better the teams we face this will be less of an issue as higher quality teams won't bother hoofing it onto them. Hibs have lost far too many points over recent years to bottom six teams who use the above tactic.

The first half the midfield was unbelievably poor and didnt seem to bother picking up runners. No way in hell can Levitt be the deepest player. It's a recipe for disaster. Jeggo who has very little footballing ability makes up for it by doing the ugly things well.

[500miles]

Last season we seemed to pick up points when we picked teams out of necessity rather than choice.

[Jones28]

Listened to his BBC interview. I don't really see anything wrong with what he says. I actually think it was a decent interview given the circumstances.

Too many people are ready to jump on some of the tropes and cliches (the red arrows comment in context makes a lot more sense than just throwing it out there) and not actually listen to what hes saying.

For anyone yet to hear it.

https://twitter.com/HibsNews1875/status/1684640883377881089?s=20

[HibbyDave]

He has a job to do. He’s failing at it for me. Starting European campaign as iof it’s just a pre-season kick around to “get minutes in the legs”

Ffs he xcoukd have had them running on the beach at potty or Gullane if he needed to get their fitness up!

It’s just very poor and even a day later I still feel like I’ve had a punch to the guts caused by poor prep from from LJ

[Donegal Hibby]

You are consistent in defending him. Out of interest what is it you like about him ? I could give a number of reasons why I don’t like him…

Yeah I have consistently defended him and I'd probably defend any other manager we had that was in his situation as well .

I'm not really bothered if you don't like him that's up to you though you did go overboard abit with calling him a ' snake ' tbh . Something you only recently said you stand by which is surprising considering I doubt very much that you ever meet Lee Johnson or have provided any facts to back this up !

Anyhow the last time we had this debate you seemed to get abit annoyed and I felt you were slightly out of order so we will leave it that you have a hatred for the Hibs manager and I like him and hope he does well.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'd love to hear the reasons for "really liking him" too.
Probably more so than me wanting to hear why you don't tbh 👍

[Bridge hibs]

He has a job to do. He’s failing at it for me. Starting European campaign as iof it’s just a pre-season kick around to “get minutes in the legs”

Ffs he xcoukd have had them running on the beach at potty or Gullane if he needed to get their fitness up!

It’s just very poor and even a day later I still feel like I’ve had a punch to the guts caused by poor prep from from LJDid he say it was “to just get minutes in the legs” apologies if I missed that in his interviews

[DinkyTwo]

Did he say it was “to just get minutes in the legs” apologies if I missed that in his interviewsHe did not.

Here's the interview. Pretty balanced tbh, as annoyed as I am at yesterday:

https://www.skysports.com/watc...descaldes-not-an-embarrassment

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[Hibs90]

He did not.

Here's the interview. Pretty balanced tbh, as annoyed as I am at yesterday:

https://www.skysports.com/watc...descaldes-not-an-embarrassment

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At least Newell had the decency to apologise to the supporters.

[Brightside]

Probably more so than me wanting to hear why you don't tbh 👍

Right so you appear to have no reason for really liking him. 😂👍

[Donegal Hibby]

Right so you appear to have no reason for really liking him. 😂👍
Nah , it's just discussing them with folk that have there mind made up about him would be a complete waste of my time tbh 😂👍

[Paul1642]

Right so you appear to have no reason for really liking him. 😂👍

1. Managed at a higher level than Hibs and has experience and contacts.

2. Improved performances and results compared to his predecessors.

3. Transfers during his time (first window excluded as they wouldn’t have been his decisions so early) have been generally good and much better than recent years.

4. Gained us European football in his first season. Performances improved over time and we drew on points with a more settled hearts team with a higher budget than us.

5. Squad morale and harmony seems to be very high despite some nonsense chat about non jet planes and busses.

6. Not likely to replace him with anyone better, especially at this stage in the season. Look at our list of managers in the last 20 years. 90% were gash.

The only ones that were debatably better have been Mowbray, Collins, Hecky (not at Hibs), Lennon, Ross and Stubbs. Most of these ended in tears.

Even from this list Collins lost the dressing room, Lennon didn’t end well and only got us 4th IIRC, Ross ended in freefall, Stubbs couldn’t get us out of the Championship, and Hecky was no good until he left Hibs. Mowbray was the only true success and he didn’t win a thing.

[Brightside]

1. Managed at a higher level than Hibs and has experience and contacts.

2. Improved performances and results compared to his predecessors.

3. Transfers during his time (first window excluded as they wouldn’t have been his decisions so early) have been generally good and much better than recent years.

4. Gained us European football in his first season. Performances improved over time and we drew on points with a more settled hearts team with a higher budget than us.

5. Squad morale and harmony seems to be very high despite some nonsense chat about non jet planes and busses.

6. Not likely to replace him with anyone better, especially at this stage in the season. Look at our list of managers in the last 20 years. 90% were gash.

The only ones that were debatably better have been Mowbray, Collins, Hecky (not at Hibs), Lennon, Ross and Stubbs. Most of these ended in tears.

Even from this list Collins lost the dressing room, Lennon didn’t end well and only got us 4th IIRC, Ross ended in freefall, Stubbs couldn’t get us out of the Championship, and Hecky was no good until he left Hibs. Mowbray was the only true success and he didn’t win a thing.

Thanks Donegal.

[Paul1642]

Thanks Donegal.

More than once you have said this. Care to elaborate?

[Brightside]

More than once you have said this. Care to elaborate?

You’ve answered a qn to Donegal. Think you did that the last time.

[Paul1642]

You’ve answered a qn to Donegal. Think you did that the last time.

Asked for reasons to like Johnson and I provided my own. Thought that was the point in a Lee Johnson thread. My bad.

[Donegal Hibby]

Asked for reasons to like Johnson and I provided my own. Thought that was the point in a Lee Johnson thread. My bad.
Fair play mate for giving good reasons 👍 . Didn't bother to give my reasons as I thought it would be a waste of time which it seems to have been with the Donegal remark to you .

[Brightside]

😂😂😂. Enjoy the fan club. I remember being the only member of the Paul Hanlon one. Good luck.

[jeffers]

Yeah I have consistently defended him and I'd probably defend any other manager we had that was in his situation as well .

I'm not really bothered if you don't like him that's up to you though you did go overboard abit with calling him a ' snake ' tbh . Something you only recently said you stand by which is surprising considering I doubt very much that you ever meet Lee Johnson or have provided any facts to back this up !

Anyhow the last time we had this debate you seemed to get abit annoyed and I felt you were slightly out of order so we will leave it that you have a hatred for the Hibs manager and I like him and hope he does well.

You are right I’ve never met him. Have you met Naismith ‘cos you’ve been less than complimentary about him ? I do however have friends who have met Johnson, guys who have no axe to grind - I trust their opinion of him.

I did say he was a snake. He is quick to blame others, quick to take credit when it suits him, then change his stance when it doesn’t. The players signed last summer were great, until they weren’t and he was then telling people they weren’t actually his signings. When McGeady joined he told the rest of the players he’d throw them under the bus - he has done at times. That’s a snake imo.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]. Enjoy the fan club. I remember being the only member of the Paul Hanlon one. Good luck.

Any chance we can get a Jimmy Jeggo fan club going too? Or am I on my own with that one?


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[Paul1642]

😂😂😂. Enjoy the fan club. I remember being the only member of the Paul Hanlon one. Good luck.

In all honesty I don’t he’s anything amazing, just decent enough and likely better than who we would replace him with.

Amazing non old firm mangers come along once in a blue moon with Steve Clarke probably being the last one IMO.

I would rather keep LJ who I believe and hope with the current squad + a number 9 will give us a push for 3rd / a good run in at least one cup. I don’t by any means think it will all be great as last night goes to show but would rather stick with this, at least for now, than take yet another manger change which history tells me will much more likely see things go backwards than forwards.

[WhileTheChief..]

But you'd probably argue that we've gone forwards from where we were under Maloney?

If LJ is better than Maloney, what's stopping us finding someone better than LJ?!

[Paulie Walnuts]

But you'd probably argue that we've gone forwards from where we were under Maloney?

If LJ is better than Maloney, what's stopping us finding someone better than LJ?!

We’ve got a manager who failed every one of his KPIs. Either we’ve got ridiculously high KPIs or we should be expecting to be able to get better.

[Paul1642]

But you'd probably argue that we've gone forwards from where we were under Maloney?

If LJ is better than Maloney, what's stopping us finding someone better than LJ?!

This is true but I also watched us go a little bit further backwards 5 times in a row after Collins was sacked which eventually ended in relegation.

In theory we absolutely could find someone better than Johnson. I just think the risk outweighs the reward right now. If we find ourselves out the cups to non OF teams early on and not showing much progress in challenging for 3rd in a few months time then I will almost definitely change my mind on this.

I just think writing off a manger after less than 1 year in charge which all things considered was a decent spell is the wrong decision.

[bingo70]

We’ve got a manager who failed every one of his KPIs. Either we’ve got ridiculously high KPIs or we should be expecting to be able to get better.

One of the KPI’s was to achieve European football.

Not sure if it is a KPI but another target would be year on year improvement.

FWIW I think we probably could get better but as long as we’re heading in the right direction I’m happy enough to persevere with him. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if he was to leave though.

[007]

You are right I’ve never met him. Have you met Naismith ‘cos you’ve been less than complimentary about him ? I do however have friends who have met Johnson, guys who have no axe to grind - I trust their opinion of him.

I did say he was a snake. He is quick to blame others, quick to take credit when it suits him, then change his stance when it doesn’t. The players signed last summer were great, until they weren’t and he was then telling people they weren’t actually his signings. When McGeady joined he told the rest of the players he’d throw them under the bus - he has done at times. That’s a snake imo.

McGeady, who played for LJ at Sunderland, joined Hibs and then proceeds to tell everyone else he'll throw them under the bus? I find that hard to believe. If I was one of the other players the question that would immediately spring to mind would be, if he's that bad then why did you sign for him again?

Who told you this, McGeady himself or one of the no axe to grind friends?

[jeffers]

McGeady, who played for LJ at Sunderland, joined Hibs and then proceeds to tell everyone else he'll throw them under the bus? I find that hard to believe. If I was one of the other players the question that would immediately spring to mind would be, if he's that bad then why did you sign for him again?

Who told you this, McGeady himself or one of the no axe to grind friends?

Aye that McGeady. Believe what you want, makes no odds to me.

[JimBHibees]

One of the KPI’s was to achieve European football.

Not sure if it is a KPI but another target would be year on year improvement.

FWIW I think we probably could get better but as long as we’re heading in the right direction I’m happy enough to persevere with him. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if he was to leave though.

Kind of where I am. Do have concerns but think we have been better since Xmas and signings also better with more consistent performances. Think a good spirit within the team. Still much room for improvement for sure but see no point in getting rid and find some of the relentless criticism a bit dull.

[Donegal Hibby]

You are right I’ve never met him. Have you met Naismith ‘cos you’ve been less than complimentary about him ? I do however have friends who have met Johnson, guys who have no axe to grind - I trust their opinion of him.

I did say he was a snake. He is quick to blame others, quick to take credit when it suits him, then change his stance when it doesn’t. The players signed last summer were great, until they weren’t and he was then telling people they weren’t actually his signings. When McGeady joined he told the rest of the players he’d throw them under the bus - he has done at times. That’s a snake imo.

Didn't think you had met him TBH . Shows again how different we are as I would want to meet someone for myself rather than going on hearsay from other people before forming such a horrible opinion of them and spreading it .

(1) Most managers will let players know if there playing badly or praise them when they are playing well . (2) What would be the point in saying the players signed last summer were s*** , would hardly a great boost for moral to do that ! (3) I think he actually went along with the recruitment process that was failing and both himself and kinsell came out honestly and admitted mistakes were made .I don't know were the stories come from that he told players he'd throw them under the bus and who are the players he's done this to many times to is a mystery me also .

From what I've seen of the Hibs squad there seems to be a pretty good spirit in the camp which was very evident in the rammy at Tiny with numerous players backing the manager which brings us to your question about me meeting Naismith and thankfully I never had the misfortune in meeting him .

Your right in that I've been less than complimentary about him as I've seen how dirty a player he was over the years , remember the dirty stamp he done on Celtic player Scott browns knee or leg ? While acting all innocent that he done nothing wrong ! . Stabbed neilson in the back when he lost his job , then you have the horrible stuff about Nisbet's father Which is probably about as low as someone can sink too . Sorry if me not having a good opinion on Naismith bothers you though generally as a Hibby I'm of the opinion of F*** hertz anyhow 👍

[jeffers]

Didn't think you had met him TBH . Shows again how different we are as I would want to meet someone for myself rather than going on hearsay from other people before forming such a horrible opinion of them and spreading it .

(1) Most managers will let players know if there playing badly or praise them when they are playing well . (2) What would be the point in saying the players signed last summer were s*** , would hardly a great boost for moral to do that ! (3) I think he actually went along with the recruitment process that was failing and both himself and kinsell came out honestly and admitted mistakes were made .I don't know were the stories come from that he told players he'd throw them under the bus and who are the players he's done this to many times to is a mystery me also .

From what I've seen of the Hibs squad there seems to be a pretty good spirit in the camp which was very evident in the rammy at Tiny with numerous players backing the manager which brings us to your question about me meeting Naismith and thankfully I never had the misfortune in meeting him .

Your right in that I've been less than complimentary about him as I've seen how dirty a player he was over the years , remember the dirty stamp he done on Celtic player Scott browns knee or leg ? While acting all innocent that he done nothing wrong ! . Stabbed neilson in the back when he lost his job , then you have the horrible stuff about Nisbet's father Which is probably about as low as someone can sink too . Sorry if me not having a good opinion on Naismith bothers you though generally as a Hibby I'm of the opinion of F*** hertz anyhow 👍

So I’ve never met Johnson and I shouldn’t have an opinion on him. Yet you’ve never met Naismith and it’s OK for you to have an opinion on him and pass off as fact that he made a comment about Nisbet’s dad. You don’t see the double standards ? I don’t like Naismith at all, so on that we are in agreement, but I’ve never met him either…

I could come on here tell you where I get my info from, give specific examples of ****ty things Johnson has done but you’d claim they weren’t true ‘cos you’ve made your mind up that he’s a good guy. I barely knew about him before he was appointed our manager, so I had no preconceived ideas about him. My opinion is based on what I’ve seen and heard with my own eyes and ears as well as information I’ve received from people who have met him and have contacts at the club. I 100% trust their word.

[Lancs Harp]

So I’ve never met Johnson and I shouldn’t have an opinion on him. Yet you’ve never met Naismith and it’s OK for you to have an opinion on him and pass off as fact that he made a comment about Nisbet’s dad. You don’t see the double standards ? I don’t like Naismith at all, so on that we are in agreement, but I’ve never met him either…

I could come on here tell you where I get my info from, give specific examples of ****ty things Johnson has done but you’d claim they weren’t true ‘cos you’ve made your mind up that he’s a good guy. I barely knew about him before he was appointed our manager, so I had no preconceived ideas about him. My opinion is based on what I’ve seen and heard with my own eyes and ears as well as information I’ve received from people who have met him and have contacts at the club. I 100% trust their word.

Book a table for two in Blackpool tomorrow night lads 😀

[jeffers]

Book a table for two in Blackpool tomorrow night lads 😀

Glad you said table and not room :greengrin

[Lancs Harp]

Glad you said table and not room :greengrin

Hey if it helps. We're all Hibs arent we 😀

[007]

Aye that McGeady. Believe what you want, makes no odds to me.

Says as much about McGeady as it does about LJ if he said that as soon as he came in the door.

[jeffers]

Says as much about McGeady as it does about LJ if he said that as soon as he came in the door.

I’m not defending McGeady. You only need to listen to him though to get the impression he’s a very confident guy who doesn’t really give a F what others think of him. He was asked by the other players what Johnson was like, that was what he told them.

[tamig]

Aye that McGeady. Believe what you want, makes no odds to me.

It does seem a bizarre thing to announce to your new team mates - and it seems equally bizarre he’d sign for the guy again. I can’t actually recall any specific instances of him throwing players under a bus last season. When did that happen?

[DinkyTwo]

I’m not defending McGeady. You only need to listen to him though to get the impression he’s a very confident guy who doesn’t really give a F what others think of him. He was asked by the other players what Johnson was like, that was what he told them.McGeady comes across as a total fanny though...

Massive Celtic complex and, if I'm not misremembering, he was also talking badly about Hibs as a pundit whilst out injured


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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

McGeady comes across as a total fanny though...

If I'm not misremembering he was also talking badly about Hibs as a pundit whilst out injured

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You are indeed misremembering


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[DinkyTwo]

You are indeed misremembering


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNot sure I am, it was a televised game, McGeady was injured and on the panel. We played badly and he tore right into us in a way that felt like a conflict of interest at best.

It wasn't long after he'd signed and was quoted in the media about being bitter about the abuse he'd got for playing for Ireland instead of Scotland.

I realise this isn't a very reliable account but I remember watching it and thinking the guy probably wasn't the best person to have around in the dressing room.

Despite that, he was great for us when fit.

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[007]

I’m not defending McGeady. You only need to listen to him though to get the impression he’s a very confident guy who doesn’t really give a F what others think of him. He was asked by the other players what Johnson was like, that was what he told them.

Fair enough. If it was me, and that was what I thought, I'd be a bit more tactful but I agree with you that McGeady wouldn't give a F so would speak his mind.

Was it a 1st team player you got your info from?

[mcohibs]

You are indeed misremembering


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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/what-celtic-pundits-said-aiden-26341603

I do remember watching at the time and thinking McGeady went a bit OTT with his criticisms of us as his current employers tbh

[Key West]

This is true but I also watched us go a little bit further backwards 5 times in a row after Collins was sacked which eventually ended in relegation.

In theory we absolutely could find someone better than Johnson. I just think the risk outweighs the reward right now. If we find ourselves out the cups to non OF teams early on and not showing much progress in challenging for 3rd in a few months time then I will almost definitely change my mind on this.

I just think writing off a manger after less than 1 year in charge which all things considered was a decent spell is the wrong decision.

Your posts on LJ are constructive, well thought out, balanced and realistic,good luck.👍

[Donegal Hibby]

So I’ve never met Johnson and I shouldn’t have an opinion on him. Yet you’ve never met Naismith and it’s OK for you to have an opinion on him and pass off as fact that he made a comment about Nisbet’s dad. You don’t see the double standards ? I don’t like Naismith at all, so on that we are in agreement, but I’ve never met him either…

I could come on here tell you where I get my info from, give specific examples of ****ty things Johnson has done but you’d claim they weren’t true ‘cos you’ve made your mind up that he’s a good guy. I barely knew about him before he was appointed our manager, so I had no preconceived ideas about him. My opinion is based on what I’ve seen and heard with my own eyes and ears as well as information I’ve received from people who have met him and have contacts at the club. I 100% trust their word.

As I said if you don't like the guy that's fine but your snake comments that you stand by I just don't see any evidence to support your claims and I haven't heard of any ****ty things Johnson has done since becoming Hibernian manager either .

I too base my opinions on what I see and hear and my opinion over the years of watching Lee Johnson at other clubs is that he's a fairy decent family man with a footballing family that's pretty well respected .

My mind is made up in the fact as a Hibs supporter I want to give him every chance possible to succeed which I'd want for any manager and not just LJ . There's been to much chopping and changing managers at this club and we badly need some stability and a manager given time to build a team .

My mindset would change on this though if we were really going poorly or he had done something to discredit our club . The football club comes first. I think your mindset is probably more made up than mine tbh as you have had a go at him about nearly everything from out drinking before the derby, starting a rammy at tiny which there's nothing to suggest LJ was at fault in either and generally not giving him a chance since he's became manager.

Your contacts at the club that you trust seem to have missed the Dutch striker rumour and Mykola wasn't happening though that rumour sprung up again . Only one that came up was a experienced striker you thought was better than Mykola though when I checked up on him I wasn't impressed to say the least and didn't put much faith that there was anything in it anyhow tbh .So no disrespect to you about your contacts mate though I think I'd like to form my own opinions on managers , staff and players at Hibs rather than hearing stories that might or might not be true

[AL-Qaholik]

As I said if you don't like the guy that's fine but your snake comments that you stand by I just don't see any evidence to support your claims and I haven't heard of any ****ty things Johnson has done since becoming Hibernian manager either .

I too base my opinions on what I see and hear and my opinion over the years of watching Lee Johnson at other clubs is that he's a fairy decent family man with a footballing family that's pretty well respected .

My mind is made up in the fact as a Hibs supporter I want to give him every chance possible to succeed which I'd want for any manager and not just LJ . There's been to much chopping and changing managers at this club and we badly need some stability and a manager given time to build a team .

My mindset would change on this though if we were really going poorly or he had done something to discredit our club . The football club comes first. I think your mindset is probably more made up than mine tbh as you have had a go at him about nearly everything from out drinking before the derby, starting a rammy at tiny which there's nothing to suggest LJ was at fault in either and generally not giving him a chance since he's became manager.

Your contacts at the club that you trust seem to have missed the Dutch striker rumour and Mykola wasn't happening though that rumour sprung up again . Only one that came up was a experienced striker you thought was better than Mykola though when I checked up on him I wasn't impressed to say the least and didn't put much faith that there was anything in it anyhow tbh .So no disrespect to you about your contacts mate though I think I'd like to form my own opinions on managers , staff and players at Hibs rather than hearing stories that might or might not be true


Like the worst result in the club’s history, for example?

[jakeshibs]

Like the worst result in the club’s history, for example?


ha ha you cant have been supporting us long :wink:

[neil7908]

ha ha you cant have been supporting us long :wink:

Wait, you don't think losing to the 2nd best team in Andorra is the worst result in our history?

I've been going to games for 30 years and I'm really struggling to think of a worse result given the level of opposition.

Now, we might still get through this round which is the main thing but I still can't think of a worse result in my time supporting Hibs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wait, you don't think losing to the 2nd best team in Andorra is the worst result in our history?

I've been going to games for 30 years and I'm really struggling to think of a worse result given the level of opposition.

Now, we might still get through this round which is the main thing but I still can't think of a worse result in my time supporting Hibs.

In terms of levels between us and the team we’re playing, it has to be up there in my life time. Suppose it then depends how much weight you want to put behind certain score lines, Malmo 7-0 etc. or behind certain occasions, Hearts 5-1, St Johnstone twice at Hampden etc.

To me though, I’d agree. It’s certainly one of if not the worst Hibs result in my life time.

[500miles]

Wait, you don't think losing to the 2nd best team in Andorra is the worst result in our history?

I've been going to games for 30 years and I'm really struggling to think of a worse result given the level of opposition.

Now, we might still get through this round which is the main thing but I still can't think of a worse result in my time supporting Hibs.

Stirling Albion.

[superfurryhibby]

The worst result in our history talk. As if losing in Andorra was as close to comparable with some of the painful results of the past ten or so years.Laughable really.

[Paul1642]

I’ve watched Hibs loose 2-0 to Livi to miss out on our first trophy in 20 years despite having put out both of the old firm to get there.

I left a certain 2012 Scottish cup final absolutely devastated and completely disconnected with Hibs for some time.

I watched Hibs chuck away a 2-0 away advantage to see us relegated to the Championship where we stayed for 3 years, under the biggest pr*** of a manger ever to grace the club.

Thursday night doesn’t come close! Fail to win this Thursday and then it might enter the top 5. Qualify on Thursday and the game in Andorra was nothing but an embarrassing lesson learnt.

[Bridge hibs]

The worst result in our history talk. As if losing in Andorra was as close to comparable with some of the painful results of the past ten or so years.Laughable really.

Depends on peoples perception of worst results in history, whilst it was a shocker I could probably think of worse results than that, however thats just my thoughts

[Jones28]

Wait, you don't think losing to the 2nd best team in Andorra is the worst result in our history?

I've been going to games for 30 years and I'm really struggling to think of a worse result given the level of opposition.

Now, we might still get through this round which is the main thing but I still can't think of a worse result in my time supporting Hibs.

It’s not even the worst result in the last ten years mate. It’s up there, but it’s not the end of the tie.

[Silky]

I’ve watched Hibs loose 2-0 to Livi to miss out on our first trophy in 20 years despite having put out both of the old firm to get there.

I left a certain 2012 Scottish cup final absolutely devastated and completely disconnected with Hibs for some time.

I watched Hibs chuck away a 2-0 away advantage to see us relegated to the Championship where we stayed for 3 years, under the biggest pr*** of a manger ever to grace the club.

Thursday night doesn’t come close! Fail to win this Thursday and then it might enter the top 5. Qualify on Thursday and the game in Andorra was nothing but an embarrassing lesson learnt.

Good post. Agree 100%.

[superfurryhibby]

I’ve watched Hibs loose 2-0 to Livi to miss out on our first trophy in 20 years despite having put out both of the old firm to get there.

I left a certain 2012 Scottish cup final absolutely devastated and completely disconnected with Hibs for some time.

I watched Hibs chuck away a 2-0 away advantage to see us relegated to the Championship where we stayed for 3 years, under the biggest pr*** of a manger ever to grace the club.

Thursday night doesn’t come close! Fail to win this Thursday and then it might enter the top 5. Qualify on Thursday and the game in Andorra was nothing but an embarrassing lesson learnt.

Exactly. It was a grim performance and dire result but not comparable to the worst results of our history.

[Silky]

I did say he was a snake. He is quick to blame others, quick to take credit when it suits him, then change his stance when it doesn’t. The players signed last summer were great, until they weren’t and he was then telling people they weren’t actually his signings. When McGeady joined he told the rest of the players he’d throw them under the bus - he has done at times. That’s a snake imo.

Did McGeady also say anything about some of his own completely inept performances, particularly the shocking penalty in the league Cup?. One of the worst Ive seen that would make a 10 year old embarrassed. Disgraceful attempt by a player of his supposed standards. He's a slaver imo. Glass houses and stones come to mind with him. I'd suggest that it was, in fact McGeady who threw team mates under the bus.

[jeffers]

Did McGeady also say anything about some of his own completely inept performances, particularly the shocking penalty in the league Cup?. One of the worst Ive seen that would make a 10 year old embarrassed. Disgraceful attempt by a player of his supposed standards. He's a slaver imo. Glass houses and stones come to mind with him. I'd suggest that it was, in fact McGeady who threw team mates under the bus.

Your post comes across as if I liked/was defending McGeady, neither are true. When he joined the club the players naturally asked what Johnson was like. I was told his response was what I posted.

What I won’t do is come on here and say who is giving me information as it’s a sure fire way of never being told anything again. You or others can choose to believe my posts or not, it genuinely makes no odds to me. What I will say is the few people on this site that I do know personally would confirm I do not make things up.

[lucky]

I’ve watched Hibs loose 2-0 to Livi to miss out on our first trophy in 20 years despite having put out both of the old firm to get there.

I left a certain 2012 Scottish cup final absolutely devastated and completely disconnected with Hibs for some time.

I watched Hibs chuck away a 2-0 away advantage to see us relegated to the Championship where we stayed for 3 years, under the biggest pr*** of a manger ever to grace the club.

Thursday night doesn’t come close! Fail to win this Thursday and then it might enter the top 5. Qualify on Thursday and the game in Andorra was nothing but an embarrassing lesson learnt.

These results hurt more but losing on Thursday was the worst result in our history performance wise. We lost to the SECOND best team in Andorra! Andorra are rated the 52 best nation in Europe out of 55. Only Gibraltar, San Marino and North Macedonia are worse. Before Thursday not many Scottish football fans could have name an Andorran team or player. FFS not many on here could even name one of their players now.

[Brightside]

ha ha you cant have been supporting us long :wink:

It’s certainly top 2

[neil7908]

These results hurt more but losing on Thursday was the worst result in our history performance wise. We lost to the SECOND best team in Andorra! Andorra are rated the 52 best nation in Europe out of 55. Only Gibraltar, San Marino and North Macedonia are worse. Before Thursday not many Scottish football fans could have name an Andorran team or player. FFS not many on here could even name one of their players now.

Agreed. Other results may have had more of an emotional hit. I was at the Malmo game and the 5-1 cup final and I certainly felt worse after this games that I did on Thursday night.

But losing to these guys is a worse result. I wasn't at the game myself but I would be interested to hear from those who spent hundreds getting to Andorra. I suspect the low crowd numbers from our side means less people having the same emotional hit vs watching on tele.

[ChilliEater]

As I said if you don't like the guy that's fine but your snake comments that you stand by I just don't see any evidence to support your claims and I haven't heard of any ****ty things Johnson has done since becoming Hibernian manager either .


Evidence from post match interviews this week:

BBC:
Hibernian manager Lee Johnson: "It was disappointing, wasn't it? I thought first half we were really, really poor. I don't know why, they had all the information in terms of what the opposition were like and that proved to be that.

"I don't want to give excuses because we just weren't good enough, but the altitude seemed a bit of a problem in terms of the lads getting a breath in.

"In the second half, we made the shape change and put Christian [Doidge] and Joe Newell on and I thought we were much better."


Daily Record:
“There were too many poor individual decisions and that's the bit I can't put my finger on at this time. I could come up with excuses about altitude, heat and maybe we should have come out a day earlier but we could have been better in our decision-making and our execution.

You're welcome to your own interpretation, but I read this as:
1. I prepared them properly - so it wasn't my fault
2. Maybe it was the altitude or the heat - definitely not my fault
3. I made changes and we improved - look how good I am, couldn't be my fault
4. Individual errors - it was the players fault
5. Travel arrangements - it was the club admins fault too
6. oh, I didn't mention it in these interviews, but did you know I've got big powerful mates? Just you wait and see, we might be poor just now, but stick with me and we'll have jam tomorrow.

There were a couple of comments early last season, that I can't remember precisely, where I thought he was publicly blaming players, but what really turned me against him was the "sick of the mediocrity" comment, which I think was after the league defeat at Tynecastle. Very Butcher-esque, and at that point I genuinely feared relegation. I came round to him a bit after that, as our form improved. I still found myself grinding my teeth at post match comments, but accepted that I'd happily put up with finding him irritating, so long as we were winning, especially if we're winning derbies and sticking 6 past Aberdeen. When we've been good under him, we've been really good and I've enjoyed watching us, but, I have real concerns about his management. It seems to me that after a defeat, for example the 6-1 at Parkhead, he panics and makes a heap of changes, rather than thinking through what we had been doing right and what went wrong. I have real issues with his handling of the Hearts game on the last day - up against a rookie coach, with a man advantage and all the momentum going our way after the equaliser and sending off, he sent the team out in the second half having changed the shape from a well balanced and, after the sending off, dominant 4-3-3, to no shape with a bunch of attacking players on in place of defensive ones - kind of like a 10 year old playing Champ Manager. I know a number of changes were forced by injury, but the shape and tactics were working. I think he panicked and didn't know what he was doing. Then behaved like a spoiled 2 year old at the end when the bad man laughed at him. I'd have fired him there and then for his pathetic and embarrassing lack of class.

If he learns, gets us winning, starting with over-turning what might be the worst result in our history - in terms of the relative abilities of the two teams - good football, challenging for third, cup semi-finals - barring drawing one of the ugly sisters away in an early round - then I will be delighted to keep him at the club and laugh about how he winds me up.

Anyway, I don't post much, and never get involved in arguments and bickering on here as I much prefer well thought out, balanced criticisms or plaudits and don't enjoy the threads that descend into petty fights where esch poster feels like they have to get the last word, but, in case it wasn't clear,(;-)) LJ really, really winds me up - way more than Butcher or Calderwood ever did.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Boozy and Marvin next? 😏

[.Sean.]

Boozy and Marvin next? 😏
They’d still get a game in the middle for us, never mind as managers

[Donegal Hibby]

A couple of quotes from Mcgeady about Johnson.
" I've a lot to thank the manager for " .
" I've got a lot of trust and loyalty towards the manager".
" He got the best out of me".
" Really enjoyed my football under him " .
https://youtu.be/5IeiSatcjDQ

[Carheenlea]

The huge turnaround in managers in any given season, with those same sacked managers finding other clubs without too much fuss and being replaced by other managers with a sacking or two to their name suggests that the vast majority of football managers are just not that good.

On the revolving circle that our market would be in, I’m happy to stick with LJ for the next few seasons to build a squad in his vision and see where that takes us. I’d be quite confident relegation wouldn’t be flirted with.

Will be bumps along the way like that debacle in Andorra, but I can envisage some good times ahead.

[HIBS NUTS]

We actually need hibs fans to support their team a bit more than after every bad result, come on hibs.net and forums, asking to sack the current manager.
The same people disappear after any good results waiting for the next bad result.
Thursdays result was horrific, but the manager and players have a chance to win the tie, this Thursday.
I actually think LJ will have big questions to confront if we don’t win
However i think we will win comfortably.
Go to the game support the team for 90 minutes, not the first 15 then start a toxic atmosphere that helps absolutely no one, least of all the hibs team.

[A Hi-Bee]

Should this thread be resurrected after todays result?

Or do, we let him off after the Blackpool defeat as we only had a young reserve team playing against more experienced players.
:greengrin

[Skol]

Should this thread be resurrected after todays result?

Or do, we let him off after the Blackpool defeat as we only had a young reserve team playing against more experienced players.
:greengrin

No

[007]

Should this thread be resurrected after todays result?

Or do, we let him off after the Blackpool defeat as we only had a young reserve team playing against more experienced players.
:greengrin

Yes

[NAE NOOKIE]

Should this thread be resurrected after todays result?

Or do, we let him off after the Blackpool defeat as we only had a young reserve team playing against more experienced players.
:greengrin

No chance !!!

After today's latest debacle he should be sacked before he even gets a chance to try and explain himself to Hibs TV.

I'm not excusing the players either, kids or not they should be prepared to DIE .... DIE!!! .... for the jersey and the badge. They should be made to ride donkeys all the way home, stopping at any address on the Hibs database between the border and Edinburgh to personally apologise for this latest humiliation they have heaped on the club !!!

Unless Johnson goes TODAY I'm never coming back until next Thursday :fuming:

[A Hi-Bee]

No chance !!!

After today's latest debacle he should be sacked before he even gets a chance to try and explain himself to Hibs TV.

I'm not excusing the players either, kids or not they should be prepared to DIE .... DIE!!! .... for the jersey and the badge. They should be made to ride donkeys all the way home, stopping at any address on the Hibs database between the border and Edinburgh to personally apologise for this latest humiliation they have heaped on the club !!!

Unless Johnson goes TODAY I'm never coming back until next Thursday :fuming:

Well said, although it could be a wee bit cruel on the donkeys, can I suggest that perhaps they walk with the donkeys.
:greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

Well said, although it could be a wee bit cruel on the donkeys, can I suggest that perhaps they walk with the donkeys.
:greengrin

Too kind mate ... they should be made to carry the donkeys :greengrin

[Silky]

Your post comes across as if I liked/was defending McGeady, neither are true. When he joined the club the players naturally asked what Johnson was like. I was told his response was what I posted.

What I won’t do is come on here and say who is giving me information as it’s a sure fire way of never being told anything again. You or others can choose to believe my posts or not, it genuinely makes no odds to me. What I will say is the few people on this site that I do know personally would confirm I do not make things up.

Don't think anything I said in that post suggests that what you said was made up. However the fact that you ended it by suggesting that Johnson was a snake based on what McGeady is alleged to have said is, imo, a defence of him. Personally, I think McGeady was the snake saying stuff like that, coming across as the big man then performing as he did. Absolute charlatan imo and I wouldn't believe a word he said. If he told me the sky was blue I'd be sceptical.

[jeffers]

Don't think anything I said in that post suggests that what you said was made up. However the fact that you ended it by suggesting that Johnson was a snake based on what McGeady is alleged to have said is, imo, a defence of him. Personally, I think McGeady was the snake saying stuff like that, coming across as the big man then performing as he did. Absolute charlatan imo and I wouldn't believe a word he said. If he told me the sky was blue I'd be sceptical.

It was a contributory factor to me calling him a snake, nowhere near the sole reason. I don’t see how I’m in anyway defending McGeady though, I am saying I believe he made the comment that Johnson would throw people under the bus. Another poster on this thread gave examples from this week of Johnson in effect not accepting responsibility for things.

I wasn’t specifically meaning you with regards me making things up.

[Bridge hibs]

It was a contributory factor to me calling him a snake, nowhere near the sole reason. I don’t see how I’m in anyway defending McGeady though, I am saying I believe he made the comment that Johnson would throw people under the bus. Another poster on this thread gave examples from this week of Johnson in effect not accepting responsibility for things.

I wasn’t specifically meaning you with regards me making things up.

I was speaking to Pat Stanton recently and he said the players really like Johnson, they think he is a radge but a very friendly and approachable guy, not bad for a snake

[007]

I was speaking to Pat Stanton recently and he said the players really like Johnson, they think he is a radge but a very friendly and approachable guy, not bad for a snake

Presumably by radge they mean some of the phrases he uses i.e. match day -1.

[Bridge hibs]

Presumably by radge they mean some of the phrases he uses i.e. match day -1.They didnt elaborate but most likely that as opposed to going mental radge and chucking things around the dressing room

[Silversand]

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[NAE NOOKIE]

It was a contributory factor to me calling him a snake, nowhere near the sole reason. I don’t see how I’m in anyway defending McGeady though, I am saying I believe he made the comment that Johnson would throw people under the bus. Another poster on this thread gave examples from this week of Johnson in effect not accepting responsibility for things.

I wasn’t specifically meaning you with regards me making things up.

Ye ken there are certain times in professional football where you can take the manager out of the equation ... for example a Scotland team packed with quality players who couldn't beat Iran ... not even modern day Iran, but late 70s Iran. Ally McLeod should have been able to sit in the hotel bar getting pished knowing the job was being done.

The only thing Johnson got wrong on Thursday was failing to absolutely eviscerate every single player that started that game during his interview, leaving us ... and them ... in no doubt whatsoever that what they served up was totally and utterly unacceptable from players allegedly good enough to play for this football club.

These are folk paid to play football professionally and they couldn't even keep the ball on the bloody pitch, couldn't get round a semi professional defence, couldn't hit a dead ball to save themselves and let themselves get torn open by a bunch of forward players who if they were any good would at least be playing Spanish or French lower league or regional league football.

The fact is we should have been able to beat Inter d'escaldes with our women's team manager taking charge while Johnson went along to the Djurgarden v Luzern game to cast an eye over who we might play next.

In the end Johnson carries the can because that's the lot of a manager .... but make no mistake, his players let him down massively and they should carry more of the can than him for that game.

[Donegal Hibby]

I was speaking to Pat Stanton recently and he said the players really like Johnson, they think he is a radge but a very friendly and approachable guy, not bad for a snake
You can't get much of a better ITK person with a connection to the club than the Great Pat Stanton :not worth :greengrin .

[Bridge hibs]

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Cant disagree with that mate 👍

[DIXIHIBS]

[QUOTE=NAE NOOKIE;7407428]Ye ken there are certain times in professional football where you can take the manager out of the equation ... for example a Scotland team packed with quality players who couldn't beat Iran ... not even modern day Iran, but late 70s Iran. Ally McLeod should have been able to sit in the hotel bar getting pished knowing the job was being done.

The only thing Johnson got wrong on Thursday was failing to absolutely eviscerate every single player that started that game during his interview, leaving us ... and them ... in no doubt whatsoever that what they served up was totally and utterly unacceptable from players allegedly good enough to play for this football club.

These are folk paid to play football professionally and they couldn't even keep the ball on the bloody pitch, couldn't get round a semi professional defence, couldn't hit a dead ball to save themselves and let themselves get torn open by a bunch of forward players who if they were any good would at least be playing Spanish or French lower league or regional league football.

The fact is we should have been able to beat Inter d'escaldes with our women's team manager taking charge while Johnson went along to the Djurgarden v Luzern game to cast an eye over who we might play next.

In the end Johnson carries the can because that's the lot of a manager .... but make no mistake, his players let him down massively and they should carry more of the can than him for that game.[/QUOT

Spot on. Johnson has his faults for sure but the players have to take most of the blame. He can set the team up, prepare them etc but whèn a pro player can barely pass the ball 5 yards to a team mate or boots the ball out of play or do the basics correctly, no manager can legislate for that imo. Pretty sure most of that team played and beat celtic a couple of months ago and then turn in a performance like that....bizarre. Maybe the players do like him, but maybe because he is too nice.

[Silky]

Ye ken there are certain times in professional football where you can take the manager out of the equation ... for example a Scotland team packed with quality players who couldn't beat Iran ... not even modern day Iran, but late 70s Iran. Ally McLeod should have been able to sit in the hotel bar getting pished knowing the job was being done.

The only thing Johnson got wrong on Thursday was failing to absolutely eviscerate every single player that started that game during his interview, leaving us ... and them ... in no doubt whatsoever that what they served up was totally and utterly unacceptable from players allegedly good enough to play for this football club.

These are folk paid to play football professionally and they couldn't even keep the ball on the bloody pitch, couldn't get round a semi professional defence, couldn't hit a dead ball to save themselves and let themselves get torn open by a bunch of forward players who if they were any good would at least be playing Spanish or French lower league or regional league football.

The fact is we should have been able to beat Inter d'escaldes with our women's team manager taking charge while Johnson went along to the Djurgarden v Luzern game to cast an eye over who we might play next.

In the end Johnson carries the can because that's the lot of a manager .... but make no mistake, his players let him down massively and they should carry more of the can than him for that game.

100% Great post.

[JimBHibees]

Ye ken there are certain times in professional football where you can take the manager out of the equation ... for example a Scotland team packed with quality players who couldn't beat Iran ... not even modern day Iran, but late 70s Iran. Ally McLeod should have been able to sit in the hotel bar getting pished knowing the job was being done.

The only thing Johnson got wrong on Thursday was failing to absolutely eviscerate every single player that started that game during his interview, leaving us ... and them ... in no doubt whatsoever that what they served up was totally and utterly unacceptable from players allegedly good enough to play for this football club.

These are folk paid to play football professionally and they couldn't even keep the ball on the bloody pitch, couldn't get round a semi professional defence, couldn't hit a dead ball to save themselves and let themselves get torn open by a bunch of forward players who if they were any good would at least be playing Spanish or French lower league or regional league football.

The fact is we should have been able to beat Inter d'escaldes with our women's team manager taking charge while Johnson went along to the Djurgarden v Luzern game to cast an eye over who we might play next.

In the end Johnson carries the can because that's the lot of a manager .... but make no mistake, his players let him down massively and they should carry more of the can than him for that game.

Totally agree

[#2 Double Tap]

new season, same chit

[Silversand]

Cant disagree with that mate [emoji106]Was a blip, lack of social media knowledge, but thanks for your appreciation [emoji16]

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[HoboHarry]

Ye ken there are certain times in professional football where you can take the manager out of the equation ... for example a Scotland team packed with quality players who couldn't beat Iran ... not even modern day Iran, but late 70s Iran. Ally McLeod should have been able to sit in the hotel bar getting pished knowing the job was being done.

The only thing Johnson got wrong on Thursday was failing to absolutely eviscerate every single player that started that game during his interview, leaving us ... and them ... in no doubt whatsoever that what they served up was totally and utterly unacceptable from players allegedly good enough to play for this football club.

These are folk paid to play football professionally and they couldn't even keep the ball on the bloody pitch, couldn't get round a semi professional defence, couldn't hit a dead ball to save themselves and let themselves get torn open by a bunch of forward players who if they were any good would at least be playing Spanish or French lower league or regional league football.

The fact is we should have been able to beat Inter d'escaldes with our women's team manager taking charge while Johnson went along to the Djurgarden v Luzern game to cast an eye over who we might play next.

In the end Johnson carries the can because that's the lot of a manager .... but make no mistake, his players let him down massively and they should carry more of the can than him for that game.
Here you, nae mair sensible shoit from you if you don't mind......

[theonlywayisup]

Ye ken there are certain times in professional football where you can take the manager out of the equation ... for example a Scotland team packed with quality players who couldn't beat Iran ... not even modern day Iran, but late 70s Iran. Ally McLeod should have been able to sit in the hotel bar getting pished knowing the job was being done.

The only thing Johnson got wrong on Thursday was failing to absolutely eviscerate every single player that started that game during his interview, leaving us ... and them ... in no doubt whatsoever that what they served up was totally and utterly unacceptable from players allegedly good enough to play for this football club.

These are folk paid to play football professionally and they couldn't even keep the ball on the bloody pitch, couldn't get round a semi professional defence, couldn't hit a dead ball to save themselves and let themselves get torn open by a bunch of forward players who if they were any good would at least be playing Spanish or French lower league or regional league football.

The fact is we should have been able to beat Inter d'escaldes with our women's team manager taking charge while Johnson went along to the Djurgarden v Luzern game to cast an eye over who we might play next.

In the end Johnson carries the can because that's the lot of a manager .... but make no mistake, his players let him down massively and they should carry more of the can than him for that game.

Great post!

I've said a few times that we've players that play well when things are going well, but they go missing when things get difficult. If this team is "two down at Tiny" don't expect them to recover.

[Lago]

:top marks
Ye ken there are certain times in professional football where you can take the manager out of the equation ... for example a Scotland team packed with quality players who couldn't beat Iran ... not even modern day Iran, but late 70s Iran. Ally McLeod should have been able to sit in the hotel bar getting pished knowing the job was being done.

The only thing Johnson got wrong on Thursday was failing to absolutely eviscerate every single player that started that game during his interview, leaving us ... and them ... in no doubt whatsoever that what they served up was totally and utterly unacceptable from players allegedly good enough to play for this football club.

These are folk paid to play football professionally and they couldn't even keep the ball on the bloody pitch, couldn't get round a semi professional defence, couldn't hit a dead ball to save themselves and let themselves get torn open by a bunch of forward players who if they were any good would at least be playing Spanish or French lower league or regional league football.

The fact is we should have been able to beat Inter d'escaldes with our women's team manager taking charge while Johnson went along to the Djurgarden v Luzern game to cast an eye over who we might play next.

In the end Johnson carries the can because that's the lot of a manager .... but make no mistake, his players let him down massively and they should carry more of the can than him for that game.

[Bridge hibs]

Was a blip, lack of social media knowledge, but thanks for your appreciation [emoji16]

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No problem mate, I knew what you meant, sometimes a whole load of nothing can be more useful than a whole load of something

[Greenwich_Hibby]

If anyone thinks we are progressing under this clown, dear me - clueless, inept and a complete slaver, always ready to blame everyone else.

[007]

If anyone thinks we are progressing under this clown, dear me - clueless, inept and a complete slaver, always ready to blame everyone else.

About half your posts are you calling Johnson a slaver. A bit of a vendetta you've got going there.

[Callum_62]

If anyone thinks we are progressing under this clown, dear me - clueless, inept and a complete slaver, always ready to blame everyone else.And yet here we are, playing in Europe

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[matty_f]

One of the KPI’s was to achieve European football.

Not sure if it is a KPI but another target would be year on year improvement.

FWIW I think we probably could get better but as long as we’re heading in the right direction I’m happy enough to persevere with him. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if he was to leave though.

Those KPIs don't count, just the hugely failed ones.

[scoopyboy]

About half your posts are you calling Johnson a slaver. A bit of a vendetta you've got going there.

Thankfully he's only made 172 posts in eight and a half years.:greengrin

[greenpaper55]

Having been brought up on the such managers as Stein and Turnbull in their prime can you imagine what they would make of the utter shambles we have sunk to ? Make no mistake we have an utter clown in charge who makes Jack Ross look like Pep Guardiola ! This season we have seen us sink to a lower level than i can recall and still he persists with Players at the back that should have been given the heave five years ago.

[Bridge hibs]

Thankfully he's only made 172 posts in eight and a half years.:greengrin

That brings a whole new meaning to Greenwich mean time 😃

[Not In The Know]

They’d still get a game in the middle for us, never mind as managers


:top marks


He still IMHO sent players out in positions that they weren’t suited for. He either hugely underestimated the opposition or the instructions he gave the players aren’t clear enough.

[007]

That brings a whole new meaning to Greenwich mean time 😃

😂😂😂

[scoopyboy]

Having been brought up on the such managers as Stein and Turnbull in their prime can you imagine what they would make of the utter shambles we have sunk to ? Make no mistake we have an utter clown in charge who makes Jack Ross look like Pep Guardiola ! This season we have seen us sink to a lower level than i can recall and still he persists with Players at the back that should have been given the heave five years ago.

I wonder what Turnbull thought of the team he left us with when he left the manager's position.

A team of utter dross, far worse than we have now.

As a teenager I grew up with Turnbull's Tornadoes and it was brilliant, however when he left there wasn't much on the playing staff.

[Wilson]

He still IMHO sent players out in positions that they weren’t suited for. He either hugely underestimated the opposition or the instructions he gave the players aren’t clear enough.

Certainly not the former.

[Allant1981]

He still IMHO sent players out in positions that they weren’t suited for. He either hugely underestimated the opposition or the instructions he gave the players aren’t clear enough.

Like who? Melkersen probably the only one that can't play the position he started, every other player on that pitch has played in those positions most if not all their careers and should have been so much better than they were, that defeat imo was 100% on the players

[Silversand]

No problem mate, I knew what you meant, sometimes a whole load of nothing can be more useful than a whole load of somethingIndeed & my best comments are usually the ones I don't post [emoji16]

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[LunasBoots]

Said in January I'd give him this summer and the beginning of the season to see if we can improve, still think that's fair enough, do think we're still short up top so hopefully get some buisness done by the end of the window. Chopping and changing managers is just a uneccerary hindrance

[DIXIHIBS]

He still IMHO sent players out in positions that they weren’t suited for. He either hugely underestimated the opposition or the instructions he gave the players aren’t clear enough.

Maybe he did underestimate the opposition. Maybe some players were played out of position. Does that stop experienced professionals passing the ball to other? Does unclear instructions make you consistently kick the ball out of play? Dont think anyone is saying Johnson is blameless but the players have huge responsibility in this case.

[Bridge hibs]

Indeed & my best comments are usually the ones I don't post [emoji16]

Sent from my SM-S911B using TapatalkIve read worse mate 😃

[jacomo]

Ye ken there are certain times in professional football where you can take the manager out of the equation ... for example a Scotland team packed with quality players who couldn't beat Iran ... not even modern day Iran, but late 70s Iran. Ally McLeod should have been able to sit in the hotel bar getting pished knowing the job was being done.

The only thing Johnson got wrong on Thursday was failing to absolutely eviscerate every single player that started that game during his interview, leaving us ... and them ... in no doubt whatsoever that what they served up was totally and utterly unacceptable from players allegedly good enough to play for this football club.

These are folk paid to play football professionally and they couldn't even keep the ball on the bloody pitch, couldn't get round a semi professional defence, couldn't hit a dead ball to save themselves and let themselves get torn open by a bunch of forward players who if they were any good would at least be playing Spanish or French lower league or regional league football.

The fact is we should have been able to beat Inter d'escaldes with our women's team manager taking charge while Johnson went along to the Djurgarden v Luzern game to cast an eye over who we might play next.

In the end Johnson carries the can because that's the lot of a manager .... but make no mistake, his players let him down massively and they should carry more of the can than him for that game.


Sure.

But if he told the players to shell it long all game, isn’t that on him?

I’d have thought the tactics against semi-pros on an unfamiliar pitch in mid summer would be the very opposite: keep the ball, tire them out, and wait for the inevitable opportunities.

[CentreLine]

I wonder what Turnbull thought of the team he left us with when he left the manager's position.

A team of utter dross, far worse than we have now.

As a teenager I grew up with Turnbull's Tornadoes and it was brilliant, however when he left there wasn't much on the playing staff.

Totally agree. The first couple of years under ET were incredible but then the team was split up and no effective rebuild was undertaken. I loved those times but wish ET (or maybe Tom Hart) had quit while ahead. We were left in such a mess.
I probably do it too often but I do wonder what would have happened if Willie MacFarlane had been able to see out his tenure??? After all, it was him that brought together almost the complete Tornadoes side, partly from home grown talent ( and what talent there was) but also by some astute signings.

What if? …

[Smartie]

Sure.

But if he told the players to shell it long all game, isn’t that on him?

I’d have thought the tactics against semi-pros on an unfamiliar pitch in mid summer would be the very opposite: keep the ball, tire them out, and wait for the inevitable opportunities.

Or at least when the direct route was clearly not working early on then it might have been adapted 15-20 minutes in?

Back in my pub league days, that’s the sort of adaptation to conditions I’d expect us to make.

[Not In The Know]

They’d still get a game in the middle for us, never mind as managers


:top marks


He still IMHO sent players out in positions that they weren’t suited for. He either hugely underestimated the opposition or the instructions he gave the players aren’t clear enough.

[Not In The Know]

It was a great post from @nae nookie. We are all prob trying to find a scape goat and while doing that reverting to previous bias and grudges. Bottom line it was unacceptable.

Unacceptable in any workplace review is not good reading.

[Just_Jimmy]

Yeah that’s fair.

I still think it’s telling that Heckingbottom is the only sacked manager to have left us and went onto a higher level though.Whilst I get what you mean, mcleish went to the hun and was very successful. Mowbray has won a number of promotions, to the premier league and managed celtic.



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[jakeshibs]

We actually need hibs fans to support their team a bit more than after every bad result, come on hibs.net and forums, asking to sack the current manager.
The same people disappear after any good results waiting for the next bad result.
Thursdays result was horrific, but the manager and players have a chance to win the tie, this Thursday.
I actually think LJ will have big questions to confront if we don’t win
However i think we will win comfortably.
Go to the game support the team for 90 minutes, not the first 15 then start a toxic atmosphere that helps absolutely no one, least of all the hibs team.


well said think we must support the team and do our best to cheer them on

[McIntosh]

Having been brought up on the such managers as Stein and Turnbull in their prime can you imagine what they would make of the utter shambles we have sunk to ? Make no mistake we have an utter clown in charge who makes Jack Ross look like Pep Guardiola ! This season we have seen us sink to a lower level than i can recall and still he persists with Players at the back that should have been given the heave five years ago.

Stein and Turnbull would have literally chased this chancer out of the place.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Sure.

But if he told the players to shell it long all game, isn’t that on him?

I’d have thought the tactics against semi-pros on an unfamiliar pitch in mid summer would be the very opposite: keep the ball, tire them out, and wait for the inevitable opportunities.

I only saw the first half and am going on what the 2nd was like from posters on here, none of whom seemed to be any more impressed with that half either.

In the first half it didn't look like 'shelling' the ball was the tactic, we continually tried to play it down either wing, with 10 and 15 yard passed being booted out of play in an attempt to get it out wide. Our movement, or rather lack of it, was absolutely shocking. As was our attempts to retain the ball with players being dispossessed time and again because of poor control or a poor first touch and our delivery from set plays was woeful.

That aside, I think the point being made here is that the quality of player we 'allegedly' have compared to them should have been enough to get a result regardless of what the manager had to say or did pre match.

Lets get Hibs very best XI with LJ in the dugout to play Almeria who finished 17th in La Liga last season without their manager being allowed to even know who they are playing or where and see if Hibs could beat them .... I bet 9 times out of 10 we still couldn't, because of the quality of players they would undoubtedly have compared to us, who I have no doubt by now will have mastered the basics of football like finding a team mate with a pass and being able to find space.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Whilst I get what you mean, mcleish went to the hun and was very successful. Mowbray has won a number of promotions, to the premier league and managed celtic.



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They weren’t sacked though

[Just_Jimmy]

They weren’t sacked thoughApologies, I misread. In that case absolutely agree.

I can't remember when we appointed someone who I was genuinely excited about.



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[Ronniekirk]

Maybe he did underestimate the opposition. Maybe some players were played out of position. Does that stop experienced professionals passing the ball to other? Does unclear instructions make you consistently kick the ball out of play? Dont think anyone is saying Johnson is blameless but the players have huge responsibility in this case.
He defo didn’t underestimate opposition he repeatedly said after he came back from watching them them it would be a difficult game as they were big Physical and well organised and he identified three players who he thought could cause us problems
But clearly something wasn’t right and the fact he couldn’t change things in that first half given how close he was to the players on a narrow pitch is concerning We improved after subs were made but struggled to make clear cut chances relying on Youan in the main to produce a bit of magic

[JimBHibees]

I wonder what Turnbull thought of the team he left us with when he left the manager's position.

A team of utter dross, far worse than we have now.

As a teenager I grew up with Turnbull's Tornadoes and it was brilliant, however when he left there wasn't much on the playing staff.

Absolutely spot on

[Weir07]

I really don't get the dislike of Johnson, he's done a reasonable job given the dreadful window last summer and the ones before that. The biggest plus point for me was that he quickly understood our recruitment policy wasn't working and was able to persuade the decision makers that was the case. Given how difficult the January window is acknowledged to be, thought he did a great job with the outs and ins. Other positives include strong loans, Fish, CJ and Mykola (can't think of any better other than Griffiths). Also, when we've played well, we've looked good, some notable victories last season, Aberdeen, Celtic and Hearts. Negatives were the long loosing run (poor recruitment to blame) and early cup exits, League Cup was naivety and Scottish Cup was a difficult draw and a game we looked the better team. All in all I'd say mitigation for the poor stuff and a lot to feel positive about with the good stuff. He's definitely a keep and support from me and let's see what this season brings. Think it will be better than last and that wasn't too bad.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Why would anyone think Johnson would underestimate the opposition.

Did he underestimate the tricky league cup group of last season. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Celtic were prior to the humiliation at Celtic Park with the cavalier formation. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Ginnelly was by playing Fish at right back against him at Tynecastle.❓

He can't help himself as its totally in his DNA and a team of Andorran waiters, office workers and plumbers is just another bunch of dross that he can look down on and expect to see off with his naive team selection.

He just doesn't belong in Scottish football as he doesn't respect either the players, opposition or administration.

[Allant1981]

Why would anyone think Johnson would underestimate the opposition.

Did he underestimate the tricky league cup group of last season. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Celtic were prior to the humiliation at Celtic Park with the cavalier formation. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Ginnelly was by playing Fish at right back against him at Tynecastle.❓

He can't help himself as its totally in his DNA and a team of Andorran waiters, office workers and plumbers is just another bunch of dross that he can look down on and expect to see off with his naive team selection.

He just doesn't belong in Scottish football as he doesn't respect either the players, opposition or administration.

What team would you have picked against the team from andorra?

[Baldy Foghorn]

Why would anyone think Johnson would underestimate the opposition.

Did he underestimate the tricky league cup group of last season. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Celtic were prior to the humiliation at Celtic Park with the cavalier formation. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Ginnelly was by playing Fish at right back against him at Tynecastle.❓

He can't help himself as its totally in his DNA and a team of Andorran waiters, office workers and plumbers is just another bunch of dross that he can look down on and expect to see off with his naive team selection.

He just doesn't belong in Scottish football as he doesn't respect either the players, opposition or administration.

Eh?

[B.H.F.C]

Why would anyone think Johnson would underestimate the opposition.

Did he underestimate the tricky league cup group of last season. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Celtic were prior to the humiliation at Celtic Park with the cavalier formation. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Ginnelly was by playing Fish at right back against him at Tynecastle.❓

He can't help himself as its totally in his DNA and a team of Andorran waiters, office workers and plumbers is just another bunch of dross that he can look down on and expect to see off with his naive team selection.

He just doesn't belong in Scottish football as he doesn't respect either the players, opposition or administration.

He’s got plenty things wrong but your constant banging on about his disrespect to Scottish football is a lot of *****. It’s nothing to do with that, it’s just a case of getting things wrong.

[Smartie]

He’s got plenty things wrong but your constant banging on about his disrespect to Scottish football is a lot of *****. It’s nothing to do with that, it’s just a case of getting things wrong.

I actually think the total opposite to the poster.

Johnson has a healthy respect and understanding of Scottish football. He played here and spoke highly of it from day one with us. I remember him talking about our league being a great place for player from down South to develop as in the premier league you get exposed to playing against players of quite variable standards playing for clubs of varying sizes, which when you go from Ross County to Celtic sounds spot on to me.

He sometimes gets stuff wrong, as you say. That shouldn't be manipulated into something bigger or deeper.

We could have a far better argument about whether Heckingbottom or Calderwood underestimated or disrespected Hibs and Scottish football.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Well we lost on Thursday in what was a poor performance, not sure I'd lay as much blame at LJ's door as I would at some of the players.

Never acclimatised to conditions, and we were poor all over the pitch.

We still have return leg to go, and think we will win comfortably, Its two legs, so only halfway through. Tougher test next round either or, but the Swiss will be hard, we need to up our game tenfold.

​GGTTH

[Jones28]

Why would anyone think Johnson would underestimate the opposition.

Did he underestimate the tricky league cup group of last season. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Celtic were prior to the humiliation at Celtic Park with the cavalier formation. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Ginnelly was by playing Fish at right back against him at Tynecastle.❓

He can't help himself as its totally in his DNA and a team of Andorran waiters, office workers and plumbers is just another bunch of dross that he can look down on and expect to see off with his naive team selection.

He just doesn't belong in Scottish football as he doesn't respect either the players, opposition or administration.

As usual, complete nonsense.

The group of players we had should have been more than enough to see off our league cup opposition.

The Celtic game, while a **** result, was a catalogue of individual errors against a team with a budget that completely dwarfs ours.

Ginnely got lucky with an individual error made by a 19 year old who’d never played in a game of that magnitude before. He was only played in that position because he wanted to push our normal RB further up the pitch to try and carry some sort of threat.

[CapitalGreen]

Why would anyone think Johnson would underestimate the opposition.

Did he underestimate the tricky league cup group of last season. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Celtic were prior to the humiliation at Celtic Park with the cavalier formation. ❓

Did he underestimate how good Ginnelly was by playing Fish at right back against him at Tynecastle.❓

He can't help himself as its totally in his DNA and a team of Andorran waiters, office workers and plumbers is just another bunch of dross that he can look down on and expect to see off with his naive team selection.

He just doesn't belong in Scottish football as he doesn't respect either the players, opposition or administration.

Since when did we have to start respecting the administration?

[He's here!]

Totally agree. The first couple of years under ET were incredible but then the team was split up and no effective rebuild was undertaken. I loved those times but wish ET (or maybe Tom Hart) had quit while ahead. We were left in such a mess.
I probably do it too often but I do wonder what would have happened if Willie MacFarlane had been able to see out his tenure??? After all, it was him that brought together almost the complete Tornadoes side, partly from home grown talent ( and what talent there was) but also by some astute signings.

What if? …

Yes, it wasn't just the on-field decline which hit us hard but the the lack of investment in the stadium, which was an utter dump by the late 70s/80s.

Re Turnbull tho, while his post- Tornadoes teams were a shadow of that great side, his overall league record remained steady enough before the abject 1979/80 season.

[Broken Gnome]

As usual, complete nonsense.

The group of players we had should have been more than enough to see off our league cup opposition.

The Celtic game, while a **** result, was a catalogue of individual errors against a team with a budget that completely dwarfs ours.

Ginnely got lucky with an individual error made by a 19 year old who’d never played in a game of that magnitude before. He was only played in that position because he wanted to push our normal RB further up the pitch to try and carry some sort of threat.

I've heard it from within the club that the view was he did underestimate the League Cup, particularly the Falkirk game. I'm not sure it's that much of a stick to beat him alone with mind you - we did everything but score in the second half, plus what's the point in the backroom staff if Gray, McGregor or Evans can't have a gentle word in his ear that Falkirk isn't the happiest of hunting grounds for us.

Also don't think it stands up to much scrutiny that he doesn't think much of Scottish football and doesn't prepare us properly as a result. We've hardly had overwhelming success and couldn't beat the league's worst team last year - if he even begun to underestimate sides he should be sacked on the grounds of being an idiot, regardless of how good a manager he is.

[Mainstandman]

He underestimated Falkirk a year ago, get rid of him, lol. We were better last year than the year before with apparently horrendous signings as well. We were a baw hair from third last year. I haven’t heard a single viable alternative , don’t say Gray he was shocking in his interim time; I know I was at all the games

[NAE NOOKIE]

I've heard it from within the club that the view was he did underestimate the League Cup, particularly the Falkirk game. I'm not sure it's that much of a stick to beat him alone with mind you - we did everything but score in the second half, plus what's the point in the backroom staff if Gray, McGregor or Evans can't have a gentle word in his ear that Falkirk isn't the happiest of hunting grounds for us.

Also don't think it stands up to much scrutiny that he doesn't think much of Scottish football and doesn't prepare us properly as a result. We've hardly had overwhelming success and couldn't beat the league's worst team last year - if he even begun to underestimate sides he should be sacked on the grounds of being an idiot, regardless of how good a manager he is.

This is how James Bond always wins and the baddies lose. The baddies henchpersons never get to learn from their mistakes coz the price for failure is being fed to the sharks and they get replaced with the next shark meal.

If LJ really was underestimating our opponents it surely has to be a lesson he has learned by now. I read his comments before the game on Thursday and it didn't sound like a guy who was underestimating the opposition to me, in fact very the reverse, he was at pains to point out that the game could well be far tougher than it looked on paper.

[Wilson]

He underestimated Falkirk a year ago, get rid of him, lol. We were better last year than the year before with apparently horrendous signings as well. We were a baw hair from third last year. I haven’t heard a single viable alternative , don’t say Gray he was shocking in his interim time; I know I was at all the games

I don't know if we need a viable alternative to assess whether LJ is the right man or not. It is a simple question of whether the results are good enough.

I actually don't think Lee gets enough credit. He might even be underrated up here - certainly by the media. We made shocking signings and had an injury list that would derail most teams our size. Yet over a season we had it together enough to be safely top six and achieve Europe.

We all want better so we need to find ourselves in the next round in Europe and progressing in the league cup - for starters. We can do this. Lee Johnson's hibs can.

[Mainstandman]

I don't know if we need a viable alternative to assess whether LJ is the right man or not. It is a simple question of whether the results are good enough.

I actually don't think Lee gets enough credit. He might even be underrated up here - certainly by the media. We made shocking signings and had an injury list that would derail most teams our size. Yet over a season we had it together enough to be safely top six and achieve Europe.

We all want better so we need to find ourselves in the next round in Europe and progressing in the league cup - for starters. We can do this. Lee Johnson's hibs can.

Agreed, the way we will do best is if we get behind them all.

[WeeRussell]

This is how James Bond always wins and the baddies lose. The baddies henchpersons never get to learn from their mistakes coz the price for failure is being fed to the sharks and they get replaced with the next shark meal.

If LJ really was underestimating our opponents it surely has to be a lesson he has learned by now. I read his comments before the game on Thursday and it didn't sound like a guy who was underestimating the opposition to me, in fact very the reverse, he was at pains to point out that the game could well be far tougher than it looked on paper.

Dr No chance he’s underestimating Scottish football.

[007]

Dr No chance he’s underestimating Scottish football.

I'd beat the Living Daylights out of him if he did.

[Hibbyradge]

I'd beat the Living Daylights out of him if he did.

You better make sure no-one has a view to a kill.

[Eyrie]

For some fans, Johnson will always be haunted by the Spectre of last summer's transfer window.

[Silky]

Dr No chance he’s underestimating Scottish football.

I think he has a Goldeneye for a signing

[HoboHarry]

The World is not Enough for some posters.

[Hibbyradge]

We get knocked out on Thursday and the Skyfalls in.

[HoboHarry]

We get knocked out on Thursday and the Skyfalls in.

Everyone will be pointing the Goldfinger at him.

[H18 SFR]

Regardless of the man’s prowess in the dug out. His real attributes show on a night out. The man gets pussy galore.

[basehibby]

I don’t like him. Never have. But there is no way he is going to be sacked. He failed miserably last season and all we have done is invest records about of money in him and his new team. He’s going nowhere.

You don't half spout some utter drivel. An improved league placing and European qualification in no way qualifies as "failed miserably" - even if cup performance was poor.

[sleeping giant]

You don't half spout some utter drivel. An improved league placing and European qualification in no way qualifies as "failed miserably" - even if cup performance was poor.

:agree:
Need to stop listening to players who have been let go.

[WeeRussell]

:agree:
Need to stop listening to players who have been let go.

Yep - live and let die.

[Silky]

Everyone will be pointing the Goldfinger at him.

Folk talking about the Spectre of failure!

[Hibbyradge]

As far as LJ is concerned, winning the World (cup) is not enough.

[WeeRussell]

As far as LJ is concerned, winning the World (cup) is not enough.

Never say never, radge.

[sleeping giant]

Never say never, radge.

It's the hope that kills you 😄

[WeeRussell]

It's the hope that kills you 😄

I hope you’ve a license to go with that!

[hibee-boys]

LJ - nobody does it better😏

[WeeRussell]

LJ - nobody does it better😏

🤫 a few odd-jobs on here get very irritated by harmless wee puns.

[Hibbyradge]

🤫 a few odd-jobs on here get very irritated by harmless wee puns.

Now, write it out a hundred times.

[WeeRussell]

Now, write it out a hundred times.

Oh lay-off we haven’t started yet.

[Hibees1973]

Not sure if anyone read the Gary Keown article on Johnson in the Mail on Sunday.

He absolutely tore him to shreds.

Keown is a bit of a stirrer but there was a large grain of truth in the article.

[NAE NOOKIE]

:agree:
Need to stop listening to players who have been let go.

Some of our players who leave remain grateful to the club. Gary O'Connor wrote to Hibs after his transfer.

Dear Hibs

Fanks so much for the chance you gave me tae play fur you's
I will always be grateful

From Russia with love
Gary x

[Lendo]

Some of our players who leave remain grateful to the club. Gary O'Connor wrote to Hibs after his transfer.

Dear Hibs

Fanks so much for the chance you gave me tae play fur you's
I will always be grateful

From Russia with love
Gary x

Wouldn't be surprised if Garry O'Connor couldn't spell his name right to be honest.

[matty_f]

Not sure if anyone read the Gary Keown article on Johnson in the Mail on Sunday.

He absolutely tore him to shreds.

Keown is a bit of a stirrer but there was a large grain of truth in the article.
Do you have a link to that article at all?

[hibee-boys]

Some of our players who leave remain grateful to the club. Gary O'Connor wrote to Hibs after his transfer.

Dear Hibs

Fanks so much for the chance you gave me tae play fur you's
I will always be grateful

From Russia with love
Gary x

😂😂👏👏

[greenlex]

If we don’t progress on Thursday and at a minimum a performance if not result Sunday his feet shouldn’t hit the ground.

[Since452]

He's been financially backed heavily by the board. He cant really afford many slip ups now. 3rd/4th is now a minimum for what we've spent.

[Hibees1973]

He's been financially backed heavily by the board. He cant really afford many slip ups now. 3rd/4th is now a minimum for what we've spent.

Indeed it does.

He needs a resounding win on Thursday and 3 points in Sunday.

Failure to do this will heap pressure on him. Tbh he comes across so arrogant that I feel any kind of pressure just washes over him, hence he continues to spout his soundbites and lame excuses.

The Gordon's certainly have re-invested the money from player sales and a bit more.

Just hope recruitment have done their homework on the signings in this transfer window and now up to Johnson to get a tune out of them.

[Silky]

Not sure if anyone read the Gary Keown article on Johnson in the Mail on Sunday.

He absolutely tore him to shreds.

Keown is a bit of a stirrer but there was a large grain of truth in the article.

If he's a known stirrer, how can we be sure it's true. Is he only not a stirrer when he's writing a negative piece about LJ?

[LaMotta]

Not sure if anyone read the Gary Keown article on Johnson in the Mail on Sunday.

He absolutely tore him to shreds.

Keown is a bit of a stirrer but there was a large grain of truth in the article.


Do you have a link to that article at all?

Its behind a paywall, text here:

THERE are images that capture the mood of the sporting moment, reflect the zeitgeist, define careers and personalities and instants.
Take Ali towering over the grounded Liston in Lewiston, Maine, back in 1965, beckoning him angrily to get back up after the ‘phantom punch’ that ended their rematch in the first round.
Or Tommie Smith and John Carlos on the podium at the Mexico Olympics of 1968, heads bowed, gloved fists raised high, human rights badges adorning their USA tracksuit tops.
Or Lee Johnson swanning past that furious band of Hibs supporters in Andorra’s Estadio Comunal on Thursday evening and gesturing to them to calm down.
Okay, we’re being slightly facetious here. It’s maybe not the stuff of museum exhibitions and future posters plastered on student walls, but it is definitely up there with ex-Rangers comedy legend Pedro Caixinha standing in a bush in Luxembourg after Progres Niederkorn and all that — and we know what became of him.

Plenty to shout about: Hibs fans vent their frustration after travelling to Andorra only to see their side lose
Johnson, quite properly, has been getting it in the neck over the past few days for refusing to admit that his team being taken apart by the mighty Inter Club d’Escaldes in the first instalment of their Europa Conference League qualifier was not an embarrassment.
That’s the least of his crimes, though. You can understand him being eager not to go down the road of admitting his club — a historic concern now reduced to running around the field with bevvy.com splattered over their shirts — are a laughing stock. To try to quell the negativity ahead of Thursday’s return leg. To give the impression this summer is not about to descend into the same chaotic shambles as last summer.
Urging punters who have paid good money to travel to Andorra to watch that abomination of a performance against some motley crew of butchers, bakers and candlestick makers to cool the beans, though, is something else entirely.
Cool the beans? Johnson’s lucky one of those fans rattling the metal fences separating them from the players and staff didn’t do what the Celtic Car Park Revolutionary Front would have done back in the days of 10 In A Row going up in smoke — and hurl one of them right at his noggin.
Sure, the mobile phone footage is shaky. The pictures are taken at distance. However, it is clear that, when Johnson (right) strolls past those supporters making their feelings known, he puts his two open palms towards the ground and gives the distinct impression he wants them to turn down the volume.
It is patronising in the extreme. It is only ever going to inflame what is already a pretty tasty situation. And it will be — and should be — held against him by every single person who was there and plenty more back home. What does he think this is? Who does he think he is?
If he wasn’t going to walk over to the away section and say sorry for what was unquestionably one of the most humiliating results in the club’s history, he should just have kept his head down, taken his medicine and concentrated on putting it right later this week.

Mouthing off: Johnson was wrong to call out the Hibs' fans' response to defeat in Andorra
But no. He just doesn’t seem that type of character. There’s always an opinion to be expressed. Always a retort. Always the desire to state that everything’s under control.
Only, it doesn’t feel under control. Rather, it is conjuring up images of the unholy mess that marked the early days of Johnson’s reign and set up last season to fail.
Just a matter of weeks ago, the former Sunderland manager was admitting that Hibs got pre-season wrong last year. They didn’t play enough quality opposition. That’s what led to the ultimate ignominy of being beaten by Falkirk in the League Cup group stage and then exiting the competition after being found guilty of playing Rocky Bushiri — inexplicably still in the starting line-up — against Morton when he was suspended.
Johnson’s reaction to that particular abasement was to brand the tournament ‘almost degrading’ because it asks you to play competitive games before the league has started. Thank heavens he didn’t trot that old chestnut out about the Conference League after Andorra.
During the club’s Spanish training camp earlier this month, he rattled on about how working in warm-weather conditions would see his players ‘gain that extra yard, that extra breath’. ‘Our fitness levels will have improved greatly,’ he ventured.
Yet, after falling to the kind of team that would take being described as plankton as a compliment, he stated: ‘The altitude seemed a bit of a problem in terms of the lads getting a breath in’.
Well, why turn up in Andorra the day before the game then? Why not arrive earlier to acclimatise? You can’t talk about how super-scientific your whole set-up is — as Johnson did pre-season — and then find the effects of being 3,000 feet above sea level a surprise. Still, at least they didn’t have someone in the team that was actually banned, so that’s an improvement on 12 months ago.
It all just feeds the nagging doubt, mind you, that Johnson’s time in charge is more about flannel than firm foundations. You know, all that stuff about bringing snipers in to talk to the players and how he cracked football’s Enigma Code by studying xG numbers and winning a few quid at the bookies.

Exposed: David Marshall was unable to prevent the Andorrans bringing a goal advantage to Easter Road
Wherever Hibs played Inter, they should have hammered them. Just as they should take at least five off them at Easter Road in four days’ time. Andorran football is a joke. I mean, what is it famous for?
There’s Operacion Cautxa back in 2019 that saw the president of the national association resign and some of its leading figures arrested on suspicion of misappropriating UEFA and FIFA money. Earlier this year, its national league found itself at the centre of a matchfixing probe — along with the Gibraltarian championship and the lower reaches of the Spanish set-up — when 23 arrests were made under a police investigation into a criminal gambling syndicate.
Apart from that? Erm, well, it’s probably Hibs taking a pumping for the ages coming in at No 3 in the Hit Parade.
In terms of memorable moments from Johnson’s time at the old Cabbage and Ribs, Thursday’s humiliation is riding pretty high in those charts, too. Bowled out of the League Cup at the group stage and then exiting the Scottish Cup at the first hurdle, thanks to a 3-0 humbling at home by Hearts, last season was remarkable only for Johnson getting through it unscathed.
Make no mistake, he was one game from the sack in January. Had Hibs lost at home to Aberdeen, his position would have been untenable. Jim Goodwin, though, was waaaay ahead of him in setting fire to a once-proud institution and a six-nil hosing that day turned the tide.
The latter part of the season was better at Hibs, no doubt. It could barely have been worse. However, finishing fifth in the Premiership is no more than shooting par for a club with their budget. It is nothing to write home about, particularly given the glaring lack of quality in the lower reaches of the competition last term.

Pain game: Johnson and Lewis Stevenson are left dejected at full-time against Inter Club d'Escaldes
With a 38-year-old David Marshall in goal and a 36-year-old Adam Le Fondre up front at the start of this term, this hardly feels like a bright new beginning.
Caixinha being captured, shouting at passing traffic from the shrubbery in football’s dark hinterland, was the final confirmation that months of codswallop and nonsense were precisely that. It is the one, single image from his time at Rangers that resides.
Johnson imploring incensed punters to shush after losing to a gang of part-timers certainly carries the same kind of vibe.
It shouldn’t be forgiven. It certainly won’t be forgotten. And right now, it’s in pole position to be the most lasting representation of his reign.
Not quite one for an art gallery, for sure. But already taking pride of place in Scottish football’s ever-lengthening Hall of Shame.

[007]

Its behind a paywall, text here:

THERE are images that capture the mood of the sporting moment, reflect the zeitgeist, define careers and personalities and instants.
Take Ali towering over the grounded Liston in Lewiston, Maine, back in 1965, beckoning him angrily to get back up after the ‘phantom punch’ that ended their rematch in the first round.
Or Tommie Smith and John Carlos on the podium at the Mexico Olympics of 1968, heads bowed, gloved fists raised high, human rights badges adorning their USA tracksuit tops.
Or Lee Johnson swanning past that furious band of Hibs supporters in Andorra’s Estadio Comunal on Thursday evening and gesturing to them to calm down.
Okay, we’re being slightly facetious here. It’s maybe not the stuff of museum exhibitions and future posters plastered on student walls, but it is definitely up there with ex-Rangers comedy legend Pedro Caixinha standing in a bush in Luxembourg after Progres Niederkorn and all that — and we know what became of him.

Plenty to shout about: Hibs fans vent their frustration after travelling to Andorra only to see their side lose
Johnson, quite properly, has been getting it in the neck over the past few days for refusing to admit that his team being taken apart by the mighty Inter Club d’Escaldes in the first instalment of their Europa Conference League qualifier was not an embarrassment.
That’s the least of his crimes, though. You can understand him being eager not to go down the road of admitting his club — a historic concern now reduced to running around the field with bevvy.com splattered over their shirts — are a laughing stock. To try to quell the negativity ahead of Thursday’s return leg. To give the impression this summer is not about to descend into the same chaotic shambles as last summer.
Urging punters who have paid good money to travel to Andorra to watch that abomination of a performance against some motley crew of butchers, bakers and candlestick makers to cool the beans, though, is something else entirely.
Cool the beans? Johnson’s lucky one of those fans rattling the metal fences separating them from the players and staff didn’t do what the Celtic Car Park Revolutionary Front would have done back in the days of 10 In A Row going up in smoke — and hurl one of them right at his noggin.
Sure, the mobile phone footage is shaky. The pictures are taken at distance. However, it is clear that, when Johnson (right) strolls past those supporters making their feelings known, he puts his two open palms towards the ground and gives the distinct impression he wants them to turn down the volume.
It is patronising in the extreme. It is only ever going to inflame what is already a pretty tasty situation. And it will be — and should be — held against him by every single person who was there and plenty more back home. What does he think this is? Who does he think he is?
If he wasn’t going to walk over to the away section and say sorry for what was unquestionably one of the most humiliating results in the club’s history, he should just have kept his head down, taken his medicine and concentrated on putting it right later this week.

Mouthing off: Johnson was wrong to call out the Hibs' fans' response to defeat in Andorra
But no. He just doesn’t seem that type of character. There’s always an opinion to be expressed. Always a retort. Always the desire to state that everything’s under control.
Only, it doesn’t feel under control. Rather, it is conjuring up images of the unholy mess that marked the early days of Johnson’s reign and set up last season to fail.
Just a matter of weeks ago, the former Sunderland manager was admitting that Hibs got pre-season wrong last year. They didn’t play enough quality opposition. That’s what led to the ultimate ignominy of being beaten by Falkirk in the League Cup group stage and then exiting the competition after being found guilty of playing Rocky Bushiri — inexplicably still in the starting line-up — against Morton when he was suspended.
Johnson’s reaction to that particular abasement was to brand the tournament ‘almost degrading’ because it asks you to play competitive games before the league has started. Thank heavens he didn’t trot that old chestnut out about the Conference League after Andorra.
During the club’s Spanish training camp earlier this month, he rattled on about how working in warm-weather conditions would see his players ‘gain that extra yard, that extra breath’. ‘Our fitness levels will have improved greatly,’ he ventured.
Yet, after falling to the kind of team that would take being described as plankton as a compliment, he stated: ‘The altitude seemed a bit of a problem in terms of the lads getting a breath in’.
Well, why turn up in Andorra the day before the game then? Why not arrive earlier to acclimatise? You can’t talk about how super-scientific your whole set-up is — as Johnson did pre-season — and then find the effects of being 3,000 feet above sea level a surprise. Still, at least they didn’t have someone in the team that was actually banned, so that’s an improvement on 12 months ago.
It all just feeds the nagging doubt, mind you, that Johnson’s time in charge is more about flannel than firm foundations. You know, all that stuff about bringing snipers in to talk to the players and how he cracked football’s Enigma Code by studying xG numbers and winning a few quid at the bookies.

Exposed: David Marshall was unable to prevent the Andorrans bringing a goal advantage to Easter Road
Wherever Hibs played Inter, they should have hammered them. Just as they should take at least five off them at Easter Road in four days’ time. Andorran football is a joke. I mean, what is it famous for?
There’s Operacion Cautxa back in 2019 that saw the president of the national association resign and some of its leading figures arrested on suspicion of misappropriating UEFA and FIFA money. Earlier this year, its national league found itself at the centre of a matchfixing probe — along with the Gibraltarian championship and the lower reaches of the Spanish set-up — when 23 arrests were made under a police investigation into a criminal gambling syndicate.
Apart from that? Erm, well, it’s probably Hibs taking a pumping for the ages coming in at No 3 in the Hit Parade.
In terms of memorable moments from Johnson’s time at the old Cabbage and Ribs, Thursday’s humiliation is riding pretty high in those charts, too. Bowled out of the League Cup at the group stage and then exiting the Scottish Cup at the first hurdle, thanks to a 3-0 humbling at home by Hearts, last season was remarkable only for Johnson getting through it unscathed.
Make no mistake, he was one game from the sack in January. Had Hibs lost at home to Aberdeen, his position would have been untenable. Jim Goodwin, though, was waaaay ahead of him in setting fire to a once-proud institution and a six-nil hosing that day turned the tide.
The latter part of the season was better at Hibs, no doubt. It could barely have been worse. However, finishing fifth in the Premiership is no more than shooting par for a club with their budget. It is nothing to write home about, particularly given the glaring lack of quality in the lower reaches of the competition last term.

Pain game: Johnson and Lewis Stevenson are left dejected at full-time against Inter Club d'Escaldes
With a 38-year-old David Marshall in goal and a 36-year-old Adam Le Fondre up front at the start of this term, this hardly feels like a bright new beginning.
Caixinha being captured, shouting at passing traffic from the shrubbery in football’s dark hinterland, was the final confirmation that months of codswallop and nonsense were precisely that. It is the one, single image from his time at Rangers that resides.
Johnson imploring incensed punters to shush after losing to a gang of part-timers certainly carries the same kind of vibe.
It shouldn’t be forgiven. It certainly won’t be forgotten. And right now, it’s in pole position to be the most lasting representation of his reign.
Not quite one for an art gallery, for sure. But already taking pride of place in Scottish football’s ever-lengthening Hall of Shame.

And this is the 'shush' gesture picture. 😂

https://i.ibb.co/7n8PywY/Screenshot-20230731-193216-Press-Reader.jpg (https://ibb.co/D9shKxV)

[H18 SFR]

And this is the 'shush' gesture picture. 😂

https://i.ibb.co/7n8PywY/Screenshot-20230731-193216-Press-Reader.jpg (https://ibb.co/D9shKxV)

I find the whole article completely bizarre.

[Since452]

Gary Keown sounds like he's trying to make a name for himself. Drivel. I now know who he is.

[Wilson]

Waste of time reading that nonsense.

These ties are a two-legged affair but this journo couldn't wait for the result of the second one before putting the boot in.

Johnson is rightly asking for calm. For support when we need it. I'd sooner take his side than any of the media hacks who, let's face it, don't need much encouragement to revel in hibs' misfortune.

[Pretty Boy]

We have spent some serious cash by Hibs standards this summer.

Johnson will be under pressure to deliver now both from the fans and from within the club. There will be a bit of a buzz around the place on Thursday now and we have to get that job done first and foremost.

We have a fairly kind start to the season and we got a decent chunk of our business done early. There really isn't a lot of excuses for him if we don't hit the ground running this season. It's in everyone's interests that he gets it right so let's hope that's the case.

[LaMotta]

Gary Keown sounds like he's trying to make a name for himself. Drivel. I now know who he is.

Type of article you'd expect from the Mail. Gutter press stuff the way its written.

[Stuart93]

I can’t help but think I’d feel more excited about the squad we have now if we had a manager I had more faith in

I’ve still got a nagging feeling we’ll win five on the trot then lose five on the trot