Johnson Out

[Paulie Walnuts]

Na, there is folk constructively trying to put a point across. Then you get posts like this. How many folk have been talking about teeth or The Office since Thursday?

The only time I’ve actually seen the teeth whitening stuff referenced has been from people moaning about the fact people said it. I’ve never actually seen a post slating him for it :confused:

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

LJ is damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t, no matter what decision he goes with.

[Callum_62]

Is 5 points narrowly missing out? Especially when we were never third at any point ourselves? :confused:

We never particularly threatened to finish 3rd last season imo. I’m not sure that can constitute narrowly missing out.We were a late missed Kevin Nisbet penalty away to that 5 points being 2

To quote a well used term - fine margins [emoji6]

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[J-C]

If we saw this thread on Yakback we'd be laughing at them. Admins need to close this sorry mess.

Ah! the thread police have arrived, ok everyone start towing the line and keep it all positive as it may upset some poor souls.

[CentreLine]

No chance!

I'm right and I'll argue till the cows come home to prove it. (That's what we do on here, right?)

Shall we start a turgid v torpid thread?

That’s brilliant HR 👌. Thank goodness someone is trying to bring some light hearted comment back in to a thread that has become way too polarised, not to mention personalised.

[Hibrandenburg]

Nah, there's no crew on here.

I've got my own thoughts. It just so happens that loads of others on feel feel similarly to me.

None of us are telling you or those in favour of LJ staying to shut up or stop posting.

That was a ridiculous post you quoted. We should all feel free to post what we think on here without a backlash from other fans.

It always goes one way. If we dare to suggest LJ isn't the right man for the job there are folk ready to pounce immediately as if we're slagging their mums.

It never used to be like this with any of our previous managers.

It would seem our worst ever managers are always the current ones.

[LewysGot2]

LJ is damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t, no matter what decision he goes with.

But off the hook this weekend as Brendan Rodgers moves into poll position for the Tribute Act's fans 👀🤭

[HoboHarry]

Ah! the thread police have arrived, ok everyone start towing the line and keep it all positive as it may upset some poor souls.

The thread is better off for that effort from you. Bravo.

[H18 SFR]

LJ now has a gift wrapped opportunity to get us to Hampden with the draw. An opportunity to help the doubters get behind the team and of course him. GGTTH

[Callum_62]

LJ now has a gift wrapped opportunity to get us to Hampden with the draw. An opportunity to help the doubters get behind the team and of course him. GGTTHDidn't he play a part in creating the opportunity?

Saying its gift wrapped is a bit disingenuous imo

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[H18 SFR]

Didn't he play a part in creating the opportunity?

Saying its gift wrapped is a bit disingenuous imo

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Don’t take my comment that way - it wasn’t intended as such. I was merely meaning a home draw rather than say away at ibrox etc.

100% not made in the manner you have suggested might be possible.

[Callum_62]

Don’t take my comment that way - it wasn’t intended as such. I was merely meaning a home draw rather than say away at ibrox etc.

100% not made in the manner you have suggested might be possible.It's certainly a good chance at getting back to Hampden again

St Mirren have shown they are decent but your right, it's one of the better draws

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[B.H.F.C]

LJ now has a gift wrapped opportunity to get us to Hampden with the draw. An opportunity to help the doubters get behind the team and of course him. GGTTH

Three league games before then which he’s going need to pick up a good number of points though.

Whatever happens against Villa happens but he’ll need to have picked things up in the league or he might be lucky to get that quarter final.

[Hibbyradge]

Don’t take my comment that way - it wasn’t intended as such. I was merely meaning a home draw rather than say away at ibrox etc.

100% not made in the manner you have suggested might be possible.

St Mirren are flying at the moment. We've got home advantage but they've already won at ER this season so it'll be a very tough game to win.

Every player will need to bring their A game so I don't think it's as gift wrapped an opportunity as you.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Still out for me 👎

[H18 SFR]

St Mirren are flying at the moment. We've got home advantage but they've already won at ER this season so it'll be a very tough game to win.

Every player will need to bring their A game so I don't think it's as gift wrapped an opportunity as you.


More or less of an opportunity than away to Rangers, Hearts or Aberdeen?

[007]

Still out for me 👎

You'll need us to get more defeats to get your wish.

[chrisski33]

LJ now has a gift wrapped opportunity to get us to Hampden with the draw. An opportunity to help the doubters get behind the team and of course him. GGTTH

Wouldnt say our draw that muuch easier tbh. No certainty that we will beat St.Mirren.

[Broxburn Greens]

Let’s be fair, after a phenomenal result on Thursday the game today was banana skin waiting.

He changed things with an eye on Wednesday and we got the job done.

The jury is still out including with me but the two results this week are big results.

Need to transfer the form to going on a good league run and then the doubters may be brought on side.

An excellent opportunity to get to hampden and one of the biggest European fixtures in our history to look forward to so for now the team as always has my full backing and so does the manager.


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[Hibbyradge]

More or less of an opportunity than away to Rangers, Hearts or Aberdeen?

Obviously better but it's not even close to being "gift wrapped".

Surely you understand my point?

[Hibees1973]

That sounds like something Johnson would say, btw trombones are fairly loud too.

Liked that.:agree:

[AgentDaleCooper]

Might be harsh, but today is the day i'm officially done with him. Failed to get a performance out of our players in our biggest game since 2016. It's a matter of time before we're rid of him.

[Callum_62]

Might be harsh, but today is the day i'm officially done with him. Failed to get a performance out of our players in our biggest game since 2016. It's a matter of time before we're rid of him.

it is harsh

Funnily enough Johnson has (I think ) a decent track record in so called "big games"

Today was just far far too many levels up

Wouldn't surprise me to see Villa go really far or even win that comp

[CallumLaidlaw]

Might be harsh, but today is the day i'm officially done with him. Failed to get a performance out of our players in our biggest game since 2016. It's a matter of time before we're rid of him.

Yeah you’re right, that’s harsh.

We’re the equivalent of a mid/high end league 1 team in terms of wages etc.
if Villa beat a league 1 team 5-0 no one would blink.


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[CallumLaidlaw]

it is harsh

Funnily enough Johnson has (I think ) a decent track record in so called "big games"

Today was just far far too many levels up

Wouldn't surprise me to see Villa go really far or even win that comp

We were 10/1 to win tonight. Villa are 3/1 to win the whole thing.


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[NC1875]

Our next 6 games aren’t easy either. I honestly don’t see us getting any more than 4 points from them the way this team defends.

Johnson is an imposter. Had long enough and spent loads for a Hibs manager and we are garbage.

[Davy Mac]

Is he no away yet, slavering Tam.

[Hiber-nation]

Yeah you’re right, that’s harsh.

We’re the equivalent of a mid/high end league 1 team in terms of wages etc.
if Villa beat a league 1 team 5-0 no one would blink.


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Not harsh at all. LJ and his coaching staff work with these players and set them up. We've conceded 3 shocking goals in a first half where Villa never got out of 1st gear.

Add to that the abysmal performances in Andorra, Motherwell and the first hour v St Mirren and it's win or bust for LJ on Saturday.

[Nutmegged]

Might be harsh, but today is the day i'm officially done with him. Failed to get a performance out of our players in our biggest game since 2016. It's a matter of time before we're rid of him.

I'd say basing it on tonight is harsh, I want rid of him too but tonight's game proved absolutely nothing, there was no scenario in which we got a positive result tonight, the gap is just too vast, I was more impressed with the performances against Luzern than horrified with tonight.

He will be sacked this season though, of that I have absolutely no doubt and the longer we leave it the worse it'll be for us in terms of getting back to this stage next year but I just don't see how tonight could be a deal breaker for anyone.

[Davy Mac]

Not harsh at all. LJ and his coaching staff work with these players and set them up. We've conceded 3 shocking goals in a first half where Villa never got out of 1st gear.

Add to that the abysmal performances in Andorra, Motherwell and the first hour v St Mirren and it's win or bust for LJ on Saturday.

Motherwell was grim, really worrying, Time for change and fast. Announce McInnes

[B.H.F.C]

Thought tonight was thoroughly depressing. Not because the result was unexpected (it wasn’t at all) but I thought the manner of it was terrible. We didn’t really set out to take part in the game, it was just a case of standing off them.

Tonight in isolation isn’t an issue. Getting to this stage of his time here and looking at a midfield that still has the same glaring issues and lack of quality and Stevenson still starting every week will get him the sack eventually. Just a case of when.

[One Day Soon]

Might be harsh, but today is the day i'm officially done with him. Failed to get a performance out of our players in our biggest game since 2016. It's a matter of time before we're rid of him.

I completely agree. Tonight was the last straw for me. I expected to lose by anything between 5 and 7 goals but the manner he set us up and the lack of ambition was laughable. We had nothing to lose and it was literally a free hit and yet he played to try and contain them. At home. There’s a massive gulf in wealth and class. Did we make them show those gulfs? Did we ****. Instead we gifted them three headed goals of comic simplicity by pressing only in the last third and gifting them as much width as they wanted with time to pick crosses. If you’re going to try to defend your way to a result at least set it up competently. Preferably though go out and have a go because there’s **** all to lose anyway.

[chrisski33]

Johnson should have been gone before this tie in my opinion and won't be gone after this tie (2 legs). NEEDS to be livi and Aberdeen but doubt he will

[MelbourneHibees]

People were calling for him to be sacked after the disaster in Andorra and it was obvious there was no real chance of that happening. Having seen how we have started the League though I'm not sure if he can survive a loos on Saturday and another 4+ goal defeat a week tomorrow.

[Hibernia&Alba]

A good hiding was always a possibility tonight, but the result doesn’t help him. He’s now got a couple of league games to save himself, IMHO.

[Pretty Boy]

I mean I don't like Johnson at all (as a manager, he could well be a lovely guy) but I think I'll save my next Johnson out post for a game that wasn't against a team with a few £30M players and a WC winner in their starting 11.

I still say it's in everyone's interests that he hits upon something that works and gets us on a really good run but if it doesn't happen then he'll go sooner rather than later. Hibs haven't backed him the way they have financially for being 'in touch with top 6 by Christmas' to be acceptable.

By all means judge him after the next 2 or 3 league games, if we are still where we are in the table at that point then he can't have too many complaints. Having a go at him tonight seems a bit harsh and I say that as someone who wouldn't bag an eyelid if he was sacked tomorrow morning.

[Waxy]

Might be harsh, but today is the day i'm officially done with him. Failed to get a performance out of our players in our biggest game since 2016. It's a matter of time before we're rid of him.

Its always a matter of time we get rid of any manager.
Today was all about huge gulfs in finances.

[LunasBoots]

Even if he wins this game against Livi we've then got Aberdeen and Kilmarnock away....🙄

[Callum_62]

Even if he wins this game against Livi we've then got Aberdeen and Kilmarnock away....[emoji849]Great, regardless if we pump livi this thread will be lingering at the top of the page for the next 3 weeks for every "must win" game

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[wookie70]

I'm generally not one for calling for manager's heads. I never liked Lennon but I would still have given him to the end of the season. I'd never have dreamt of saying LJ should be emptied before KO but that first 15 minutes might be the most disappointed I have been since a derby match at Hampden over a decade ago. I have no issue with getting well beat from a good side but we were awful in every way tonight and LJ was the biggest reason for me..

I have a massive issue with the initial approach which literally sucked the energy out the stadium and essentially gave the opposition time to settle and then the freedom of the flanks to throw in crosses. It looked to me like it was by design at the game and LJ stated afterwards he thought our shape was good. It was, if you like Table football where the slides have rusted solid your players can't move side to side to mark wide players. They were a good side and certainly no better tonight. We were about as bad as we get and to me we were set up to be frightened and that was how we played

[Since452]

Johnson should have been gone before this tie in my opinion and won't be gone after this tie (2 legs). NEEDS to be livi and Aberdeen but doubt he will

What if we beat them?

[Hibs90]

He should've been gone ages ago but he is mates with the CEO and has his dad's friend/ex-colleague as DoF.

Result tonight is nothing to do with it, but his continued failure to address key issues tactically and personnel wise and also setting the team up wrong time after time.

It's time Lee.

[bingo70]

I think it’s harsh to be overly critical of LJ tonight but I do think there’s just problems with this team that are going to be too big an issue for him to fix and those issues were very apparent tonight.

I personally think he’s a dead man walking and it’s just a matter of time, I’ve thought that before though and he’s proven me wrong.

I think we’ll win on Saturday but he won’t see the end of September as manager.

[LunasBoots]

Johnson should have been gone before this tie in my opinion and won't be gone after this tie (2 legs). NEEDS to be livi and Aberdeen but doubt he will

Aberdeen are a stronger side now and are continuing to strengthen be a very tough away trip I'd say, i think its a long hard season ahead, Livi depending on fitness levels we should be beating but we know Martin Martindale will have his players well uo for it.

Not sure sacking Lee will make much difference either unless the club and owners change approach on whose suitable

[tonyrougier123]

That’s that for me with Johnson,totally unable to stamp any identity into this team. What is our set up, feels like it’s punt and rush stuff. There’s no pressing the ball. And the defensive set up shambolic.

[H18 SFR]

That’s that for me with Johnson,totally unable to stamp any identity into this team. What is our set up, feels like it’s punt and rush stuff. There’s no pressing the ball. And the defensive set up shambolic.

If we were playing a club with 20 times less of a budget like villa were tonight we’d have won 5-0.

[One Day Soon]

I'm generally not one for calling for manager's heads. I never liked Lennon but I would still have given him to the end of the season. I'd never have dreamt of saying LJ should be emptied before KO but that first 15 minutes might be the most disappointed I have been since a derby match at Hampden over a decade ago. I have no issue with getting well beat from a good side but we were awful in every way tonight and LJ was the biggest reason for me..

I have a massive issue with the initial approach which literally sucked the energy out the stadium and essentially gave the opposition time to settle and then the freedom of the flanks to throw in crosses. It looked to me like it was by design at the game and LJ stated afterwards he thought our shape was good. It was, if you like Table football where the slides have rusted solid your players can't move side to side to mark wide players. They were a good side and certainly no better tonight. We were about as bad as we get and to me we were set up to be frightened and that was how we played

Perfectly put.

I don’t think he knows what he’s doing and on the rare occasions he does know it’s often the wrong call. He’s taking us nowhere.

[h1bs4life]

Time for the slavering #### to go , shouldn’t have happened a while ago.
Just listened to his interview on Sky Sports News , “wants to see us play with some football arrogance next week in the return. Personally I am used to playing / managing at Villa Park but I want to see if the boys can cope.”
GTF away from our club . After taking Campbell off after 30 minutes and then at half time in the last 2 games how did he expect him to cope tonight . Made a few signings but still plays with 2 ageing defenders who are well past there sell by date.
He doesn’t have a clue.

[Since452]

I'm generally not one for calling for manager's heads. I never liked Lennon but I would still have given him to the end of the season. I'd never have dreamt of saying LJ should be emptied before KO but that first 15 minutes might be the most disappointed I have been since a derby match at Hampden over a decade ago. I have no issue with getting well beat from a good side but we were awful in every way tonight and LJ was the biggest reason for me..

I have a massive issue with the initial approach which literally sucked the energy out the stadium and essentially gave the opposition time to settle and then the freedom of the flanks to throw in crosses. It looked to me like it was by design at the game and LJ stated afterwards he thought our shape was good. It was, if you like Table football where the slides have rusted solid your players can't move side to side to mark wide players. They were a good side and certainly no better tonight. We were about as bad as we get and to me we were set up to be frightened and that was how we played

Don't agree with that at all. We were playing the 20th richest team in the world and it showed. They'll more than likely win the competition.

[The Tubs]

Might be harsh, but today is the day i'm officially done with him. Failed to get a performance out of our players in our biggest game since 2016. It's a matter of time before we're rid of him.

How was that a big game? As soon as the draw was made, it was evident that it would be nothing more than a friendly.

I'm jealous that hearts have got a game that they'll feel they should be competitive in.

[Trinity Hibee]

I mean I don't like Johnson at all (as a manager, he could well be a lovely guy) but I think I'll save my next Johnson out post for a game that wasn't against a team with a few £30M players and a WC winner in their starting 11.

I still say it's in everyone's interests that he hits upon something that works and gets us on a really good run but if it doesn't happen then he'll go sooner rather than later. Hibs haven't backed him the way they have financially for being 'in touch with top 6 by Christmas' to be acceptable.

By all means judge him after the next 2 or 3 league games, if we are still where we are in the table at that point then he can't have too many complaints. Having a go at him tonight seems a bit harsh and I say that as someone who wouldn't bag an eyelid if he was sacked tomorrow morning.

I think that’s it. I for one expected to lose by 4 or 5 pre match. Turns out that happened. Okay the performance wasn’t great and we had nothing to go off as fans but the villa players were virtually walking through that game today. Watkins got 3 could have been 5 himself. They are all miles and miles ahead of our level so don’t see the point in losing the plot over it.

[Brightside]

I’ve no issue with getting pumped tonight but where was he in the 2nd half? Worried about his mcqueens getting dirty?

[ehf]

If we were playing a club with 20 times less of a budget like villa were tonight we’d have won 5-0.

:tsk tsk: we would never have kept a clean sheet.

[jeffers]

I think it’s harsh to be overly critical of LJ tonight but I do think there’s just problems with this team that are going to be too big an issue for him to fix and those issues were very apparent tonight.

I personally think he’s a dead man walking and it’s just a matter of time, I’ve thought that before though and he’s proven me wrong.

I think we’ll win on Saturday but he won’t see the end of September as manager.

Agree with all of that. They were so much better than us on every level, which is to be expected. But the issue for me was the manner of the goals we lost, we didn’t make it difficult for them at all. In isolation it would be OK but we’ve lost those type of goals a number of times this season and the buck stops with him.

[Unseen work]

We needed a couple more lions chasing our players tonight.

[Ozyhibby]

We are wasting time indulging Johnson. He’ll be gone soon and every day we put up with him holds us back.


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[wookie70]

Don't agree with that at all. We were playing the 20th richest team in the world and it showed. They'll more than likely win the competition.

That may have been the managers team talk before kick off.

The score line isn't the issue for me it was the cowardly way we set up and the way we stood and watch them play. They were nowhere near the 20th best side in the world tonight and wouldn't have needed to be the quality of a top six Scottish side to beat us very comfortably. It was robe a dope tactics but they hit three knockout punches and then we ran out of steam and Villa never even came close to breaking sweat.

[brianmc]

We needed a couple more lions chasing our players tonight.

Wait till Saturday ☹️

[ehf]

I'm generally not one for calling for manager's heads. I never liked Lennon but I would still have given him to the end of the season. I'd never have dreamt of saying LJ should be emptied before KO but that first 15 minutes might be the most disappointed I have been since a derby match at Hampden over a decade ago. I have no issue with getting well beat from a good side but we were awful in every way tonight and LJ was the biggest reason for me..

I have a massive issue with the initial approach which literally sucked the energy out the stadi and essentially gave the opposition time to settle and then the freedom of the flanks to throw in crosses. It looked to me like it was by design at the game and LJ stated afterwards he thought our shape was good. It was, if you like Table football where the slides have rusted solid your players can't move side to side to mark wide players. They were a good side and certainly no better tonight. We were about as bad as we get and to me we were set up to be frightened and that was how we played

I’m not that bothered about tonight as I knew what was coming, and certainly wouldn’t compare it to the Craig Thompson final, but otherwise agree. It was a bit like the game against Sevco at ER in March when we were wide open down the flanks and Johnson just couldn’t see it. And starting Campbell, who was out of his depth against Raith - words fail me.

[tonyrougier123]

If we were playing a club with 20 times less of a budget like villa were tonight we’d have won 5-0.

The gulf aside,first three goals were preventable,it’s not the opposition we don’t do ourselves any favours. It’s the stuff the manager comes away with as well like. I really do get it,it’s 100s millions in gulf hard game to say that’s it. But we keep making excuses for some preventably bad football under this guy. It’s a soft defence. Shocks happen take inter Escalades first leg,again our own fault or Darvel 20 times or more less the sheep budget. Truth is hibs in its current set up very unlikely to pull off a shock and that’s partly because the manager tells his players how good the opposition is constantly instead of putting some fire in the belly’s. I just don’t see a style or tactics on a basic level most times.

[Is It On....]

In response to the titie of thread "please, please, please"

[B.H.F.C]

Agree with all of that. They were so much better than us on every level, which is to be expected. But the issue for me was the manner of the goals we lost, we didn’t make it difficult for them at all. In isolation it would be OK but we’ve lost those type of goals a number of times this season and the buck stops with him.

We are totally disorganised defensively. In open play there is no settled, cohesive midfield which just leaves them totally exposed most of the time. I think that plays a part in the individual mistakes we’re seeing when panic just sets in. From set pieces we look equally disorganised. Three goals lost from corners in the last three European games. That’s criminal when you’re playing against better opposition.

I think we have players who, at our level, will score us plenty goals between them. But a good manager creates a good foundation for them to go and win us games regularly. We don’t have the foundation or the manager.

[truehibernian]

Leaking goals, bottom of the league, scraped past Raith, ‘celebrated’ getting 5t as if it was an achievement , Andorra embarrassment, and pumped out of Europe - and some want to give him time.

Geriatric defence, languid and slow midfield and he claims he’s building a good team and it’ll be an ‘exciting season’ - wake up please !!

[jeffers]

We are totally disorganised defensively. In open play there is no settled, cohesive midfield which just leaves them totally exposed most of the time. I think that plays a part in the individual mistakes we’re seeing when panic just sets in. From set pieces we look equally disorganised. Three goals lost from corners in the last three European games. That’s criminal when you’re playing against better opposition.

I think we have players who, at our level, will score us plenty goals between them. But a good manager creates a good foundation for them to go and win us games regularly. We don’t have the foundation or the manager.

Totally agree.

Putting aside my personal feelings about him, do I think another manager could get more out of the players we have. Absolutely yes.

[Pretty Boy]

Leaking goals, bottom of the league, scraped past Raith, ‘celebrated’ getting 5t as if it was an achievement , Andorra embarrassment, and pumped out of Europe - and some want to give him time.

Geriatric defence, languid and slow midfield and he claims he’s building a good team and it’ll be an ‘exciting season’ - wake up please !!

This is really, really unfair on my part but if we'd been able to come up with a plan to muster another goal v 10 man Hearts last season we wouldn't be having any of these conversations tonight because 5th would have been their burden.

No glamour tie v Villa but a far better chance of groups stage football. I doubt Hearts would swap with us......

[Stanton Spence]

Motherwell was grim, really worrying, Time for change and fast. Announce McInnes

I keep hearing about how we should appoint Mcinnes and I’m not against it but what’s with the announce him stuff as if he’s just going to accept the job and drop the one he has.

[mca]

The gulf aside,first three goals were preventable,it’s not the opposition we don’t do ourselves any favours. It’s the stuff the manager comes away with as well like. I really do get it,it’s 100s millions in gulf hard game to say that’s it. But we keep making excuses for some preventably bad football under this guy. It’s a soft defence. Shocks happen take inter Escalades first leg,again our own fault or Darvel 20 times or more less the sheep budget. Truth is hibs in its current set up very unlikely to pull off a shock and that’s partly because the manager tells his players how good the opposition is constantly instead of putting some fire in the belly’s. I just don’t see a style or tactics on a basic level most times.

:aok: Totally Agree - Not that am wantin Martindale - but an Example is His Fire in his Belly and Every Team is a Beatable attitude - Go out there and Give it a Go.. More often than Not - Gets them some decent upsets and results !!

same with Lennon I used to think.. :greengrin

[Willis1875]

This is really, really unfair on my part but if we'd been able to come up with a plan to muster another goal v 10 man Hearts last season we wouldn't be having any of these conversations tonight because 5th would have been their burden.

No glamour tie v Villa but a far better chance of groups stage football. I doubt Hearts would swap with us......

You can’t say that he didn’t try for that elusive winning goal,he put centre back Mikey Devlin on to snatch a win at the death whilst a striker languished on the bench

[gbhibby]

I have said in another thread that we need to reset the season including getting a new management team ASAP. Tonight the set up of the team was wrong and there is a lack of movement to create space for a player to receive the ball this has been the same story since he took over. Other teams in SPFL look far more comfortable on the ball and have a better work ethic. We look like a team who will be fighting to avoid relegation. This is not a knee jerk reaction to tonight's game.The club need to act now before it's too late. Also some of the players need to take a look at themselves as they seem to only show up in certain games.

[IberianHibernian]

This is really, really unfair on my part but if we'd been able to come up with a plan to muster another goal v 10 man Hearts last season we wouldn't be having any of these conversations tonight because 5th would have been their burden.

No glamour tie v Villa but a far better chance of groups stage football. I doubt Hearts would swap with us......In 2022 we were very unlucky not to make top 6 and cup final . In 2023 we were lucky to make top 6 , then threw away chance of top 4 ( did we really want to make top 4 or 5 ? ) so scraped into Europe cause St Mirren froze at end of season ( maybe making 5th wasn`t a big incentive for them either ) .

[SlickShoes]

You can’t say that he didn’t try for that elusive winning goal,he put centre back Mikey Devlin on to snatch a win at the death whilst a striker languished on the bench

Kevin Nisbet could have scored an easy penalty, that might have helped as well

[wookie70]

I have said in another thread that we need to reset the season including getting a new management team ASAP. Tonight the set up of the team was wrong and there is a lack of movement to create space for a player to receive the ball this has been the same story since he took over. Other teams in SPFL look far more comfortable on the ball and have a better work ethic. We look like a team who will be fighting to avoid relegation. This is not a knee jerk reaction to tonight's game.The club need to act now before it's too late. Also some of the players need to take a look at themselves as they seem to only show up in certain games.

We simply don't look fit and I do wonder if that is connected with our injuries. It may be phycological though with players not liking the way we are set up or not understanding their role. Something isn't right though as the team chops and changes, as do formations and we struggle to ever play a good 90 minutes. The St Mirren game was a good example where we were destroyed by their movement and energy and at some point we clicked and looked really good for 15 or 20 minutes before completely losing focus and being outrun at the end. You would think with the investment we have made with the off field facilities and professionals that outwith the top two we would be one of the fittest sides in the league. I think we are one of the least fit

[Brightside]

What was LJ percentage effort 2nd half.

[Daily Hibs]

That may have been the managers team talk before kick off.

The score line isn't the issue for me it was the cowardly way we set up and the way we stood and watch them play. They were nowhere near the 20th best side in the world tonight and wouldn't have needed to be the quality of a top six Scottish side to beat us very comfortably. It was robe a dope tactics but they hit three knockout punches and then we ran out of steam and Villa never even came close to breaking sweat.

Yes, it is inevitable really.

Time to get someone in who will actually build the spine of a side and build a club in that aspect.

I cannot for the life of me understand why other Hibs fans wouldnt want McInnes - look at the legacy he built at Aberdeen. That is what we are crying out for.

[truehibernian]

This is really, really unfair on my part but if we'd been able to come up with a plan to muster another goal v 10 man Hearts last season we wouldn't be having any of these conversations tonight because 5th would have been their burden.

No glamour tie v Villa but a far better chance of groups stage football. I doubt Hearts would swap with us......

But the facts are we didn’t win against 10 man Hearts - they dug in and ground out the result they needed PB - our manager (and players) didn’t see that job through. And that’s why this conversation is being had. These players lack hunger to succeed and that comes from the top - the players showed more fight at the full time whistle at Tynie than in the second half (in that game).

He needs to - and will - go. He’s not a good manager, much like his old man - full of spin, waffle, and ego. The fans are divided on him to the point they would celebrate his departure- that says it all. It’s a ruthless game and we need to make that ruthless decision now, not after a series of games.

Get Lennon back, pronto - he had his faults, but he’d unite the support right now. The support don’t ‘support’ Johnson and rightly so - he’s useless.

[Since452]

Leaking goals, bottom of the league, scraped past Raith, ‘celebrated’ getting 5t as if it was an achievement , Andorra embarrassment, and pumped out of Europe - and some want to give him time.

Geriatric defence, languid and slow midfield and he claims he’s building a good team and it’ll be an ‘exciting season’ - wake up please !!

Maybe we should try not getting in to Europe next time? We wont get pumped out that way.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Might be harsh, but today is the day i'm officially done with him. Failed to get a performance out of our players in our biggest game since 2016. It's a matter of time before we're rid of him.

Agree.

Said it before the game but tonight was a free pass if we didn’t embarrass ourselves. We did. That was horrific. Starting Josh Campbell tonight was a ****ing disgraceful decision. Folk claiming the guy is worth more than McGinn was when he left us :faf: he’s a Scottish Chanpionship player at best.

That team gave up tonight. The players should be ****ing ashamed, but it’s LJs team and he has to front up.

Just ****ing leave Johnson.

[Paul1642]

Tonight changes nothing for me.

As has been said multiple times already they beat a £100 million plus Everton team 4-0 at the weekend. Their Squad is valued on transfer markt at €615 million vs ours at €12.8.

They have a 4x Europa league winning manager, a World Cup winning Goalie, A £50 million and a £30 million new summer signings, a striker who will likely make the England squad and one of the best players Hibs have ever had all in the starting squad today. We had absolutely no chance of winning this game over two legs, even if we had Pep in the dugout.

If Hearts or Aberdeen had just been beaten 5-0 at home to that Villa team I wouldn’t be remotely surprised or expecting them to have a poor season as a result.

LJ is still on a shoddy peg for me but it’s the upcoming league games that I’ll make my judgment on.

[Daily Hibs]

Maybe we should try not getting in to Europe next time? We wont get pumped out that way.

I don't think Europe is the issue though - it is the results against a third rate Andorran side, losing to St Mirren at Home & Motherwell away and then scraping past Raith Rovers.

Given the the size of the club and turnover we should be streets ahead of teams like that, there becomes a point when it becomes on the fans for accepting it. We have accepted being mediocre for far too long now IMO.

We need the backbone of a side that will take the club forward for years. Marshall, Hanlon and Stevenson need replaced ASAP - just look at the basic mistakes they make on a weekly basis. The McGeady signing was always doomed to fail. We are good going forward but so so so soft at the back and we still dont have any leaders.

[Skol]

Dear oh dear. You cannot judge a manager on todays game.

[H18 SFR]

The gulf aside,first three goals were preventable,it’s not the opposition we don’t do ourselves any favours. It’s the stuff the manager comes away with as well like. I really do get it,it’s 100s millions in gulf hard game to say that’s it. But we keep making excuses for some preventably bad football under this guy. It’s a soft defence. Shocks happen take inter Escalades first leg,again our own fault or Darvel 20 times or more less the sheep budget. Truth is hibs in its current set up very unlikely to pull off a shock and that’s partly because the manager tells his players how good the opposition is constantly instead of putting some fire in the belly’s. I just don’t see a style or tactics on a basic level most times.

If we’d completely shut off Villa’s wing play they’d have cut us open down the middle. That’s the hard reality. The targeted the wing as it was the earlier option for them. They are in a different dimension to us.

[Since452]

I don't think Europe is the issue though, it is the issue though - it is the results against a third rate Andorran side, losing to St Mirren at Home & Motherwell away and then scraping past Raith Rovers.

Given the the size of the club and turnover we should be streets ahead of teams like that, there becomes a point when it becomes on the fans for accepting it. We have accepted being mediocre for far too long now IMO.

We need the backbone of a side that will take the club forward for years. Marshall, Hanlon and Stevenson need replaced ASAP - just look at the basic mistakes they make on a weekly basis.

Sandwiched between that though we had the best European result in a generation to even get through to this tie.

[B.H.F.C]

International break coming up. At least 4 points required from the 2 games before it and he might be in trouble. Especially if we perform as we have so far in the league.

[truehibernian]

Maybe we should try not getting in to Europe next time? We wont get pumped out that way.

Maybe we should build a side minus half a defence from 7 years ago and we might get 3rd 👍 and getting 5th isn’t an achievement for our efforts (as the manager said) - that sums up mediocrity for me and lulls players into a false sense of thinking they’re on the right track. 5th is woeful !

[Since452]

Maybe we should build a side minus half a defence from 7 years ago and we might get 3rd 👍 and getting 5th isn’t an achievement for our efforts (as the manager said) - that sums up mediocrity for me and lulls players into a false sense of thinking they’re on the right track. 5th is woeful !

Aberdeen finished 3rd and will get ragdolled in Europe just like Hearts did last season. We do need to get rid of the untouchables Hanlon and Stevenson though that's blatantly obvious.

[chrisski33]

What if we beat them?

Im not confident we will win those games!

[Daily Hibs]

Maybe we should build a side minus half a defence from 7 years ago and we might get 3rd �� and getting 5th isn’t an achievement for our efforts (as the manager said) - that sums up mediocrity for me and lulls players into a false sense of thinking they’re on the right track. 5th is woeful !

Yip. We are in a league of three with Aberdeen and Hearts where provided the coefficient allows all three to be in this stage of europe every year, given the size and turnover of all three we should be streets ahead of the likes of Killie, Motherwell and St Mirren.

5th is the worst we should be finishing every season. We accepted finishing 3rd in a poor league when 2nd was really there for the taking. Hanlon screwing up a 2nil lead against Celtic.

The club has to be more ambitious - and that starts by getting rid of the sentimental dead wood for me along with this joker of a manager.

[WhileTheChief..]

But the facts are we didn’t win against 10 man Hearts - they dug in and ground out the result they needed PB - our manager (and players) didn’t see that job through. And that’s why this conversation is being had. These players lack hunger to succeed and that comes from the top - the players showed more fight at the full time whistle at Tynie than in the second half (in that game).

He needs to - and will - go. He’s not a good manager, much like his old man - full of spin, waffle, and ego. The fans are divided on him to the point they would celebrate his departure- that says it all. It’s a ruthless game and we need to make that ruthless decision now, not after a series of games.

Get Lennon back, pronto - he had his faults, but he’d unite the support right now. The support don’t ‘support’ Johnson and rightly so - he’s useless.

:top marks

Fantastic post.

Some will strongly disagree, but for me, this is exactly what Hibs need right now.

Not in 2 or 3 weeks or months, now.

[Since452]

Lennon wouldn't unite the support. He'd fracture it. I personally wouldn't be in a rush back.

[HendoDelivered]

Tonight changes nothing for me.

As has been said multiple times already they beat a £100 million plus Everton team 4-0 at the weekend. Their Squad is valued on transfer markt at €615 million vs ours at €12.8.

They have a 4x Europa league winning manager, a World Cup winning Goalie, A £50 million and a £30 million new summer signings, a striker who will likely make the England squad and one of the best players Hibs have ever had all in the starting squad today. We had absolutely no chance of winning this game over two legs, even if we had Pep in the dugout.

If Hearts or Aberdeen had just been beaten 5-0 at home to that Villa team I wouldn’t be remotely surprised or expecting them to have a poor season as a result.

LJ is still on a shoddy peg for me but it’s the upcoming league games that I’ll make my judgment on.

This for me

[Paul1642]

Maybe we should build a side minus half a defence from 7 years ago and we might get 3rd 👍 and getting 5th isn’t an achievement for our efforts (as the manager said) - that sums up mediocrity for me and lulls players into a false sense of thinking they’re on the right track. 5th is woeful !

7 years ago is an understatement. They have been part of the defence for closer to 11/12 years. Fans love to joke about how many left backs / mangers Lewis has seen off but i think time needs to be up.

Our defence is currently the worst I can remember it being for a long time and I just can’t see us keeping a clean sheet any time soon.

[gaz1875]

Tonight changes nothing for me.

As has been said multiple times already they beat a £100 million plus Everton team 4-0 at the weekend. Their Squad is valued on transfer markt at €615 million vs ours at €12.8.

They have a 4x Europa league winning manager, a World Cup winning Goalie, A £50 million and a £30 million new summer signings, a striker who will likely make the England squad and one of the best players Hibs have ever had all in the starting squad today. We had absolutely no chance of winning this game over two legs, even if we had Pep in the dugout.

If Hearts or Aberdeen had just been beaten 5-0 at home to that Villa team I wouldn’t be remotely surprised or expecting them to have a poor season as a result.

LJ is still on a shoddy peg for me but it’s the upcoming league games that I’ll make my judgment on.


I will say this with confidence, there is no way hertz would have laid down tools and capitulated like we did.

LJ this game aside is absolutely garbage, we have zero tactics out with long balls, our midfield is void of talent, pace or energy and the defence is slow and panic every time a high ball is played into the box. The keeper never comes off his line for any cross into the 6 yard box, and the players have zero confidence in passing to him. I said before we appointed him we needed someone like McInnes, build a team from the back, make us hard to beat and then give the attackers passes not lumps up the park. He needs to be emptied ASAP, the thought of him getting more money to spend on utter dross is really quite worrying.

[Helensburghhibs]

I hung around til the end and when there was a wee rendetion of the john mginn song it made me realise how disconnected the fans are from the team compared to the cummings / stubbs / mginn days.

[truehibernian]

Aberdeen finished 3rd and will get ragdolled in Europe just like Hearts did last season. We do need to get rid of the untouchables Hanlon and Stevenson though that's blatantly obvious.

Aberdeen and Hearts would see 5th as failure, and rightly so. Our manager said it was an achievement- not a dig at you (please believe me) but as a manager in my job if 4 of my immediate competitors were above me I wouldn’t be saying to my staff they’d achieved anything - they’d have underperformed (caveat being Celtic and The Rangers).

[tonyrougier123]

There’s a real opportunity to lift the Leauge cup this season,under Lee Johnson forget it!

[Brightside]

Get 3rd. More money. Simple as that. Build a team that beats the bottom 6

[Thegreenside]

I knew this would be too thread. If you think Johnson was the problem tonight then Jeezo.

[WhileTheChief..]

There was zero support for LJ in the ground tonight, not a peep about him.

Lennon would have had the place bouncing all night.

LJ has never once experienced a crowd at ER like we used to get under NL. It's not going to happen either. He needs to go.

He's hurting our club more than NL ever did.

[Paul1642]

Lennon wouldn't unite the support. He'd fracture it. I personally wouldn't be in a rush back.

If he got off to a poor start he would get considerably less patience from the fans compared to other mangers.

I’m still behind LJ for now but we have to try to McInnes if we choose to sack him.

[Daily Hibs]

I hung around til the end and when there was a wee rendetion of the john mginn song it made me realise how disconnected the fans are from the team compared to the cummings / stubbs / mginn days.

At this moment in time who is our star player, leader and cult hero?

We dont have one for me - its almost like its 11 bodies chucked together and hope for the best. This Vente does look a class act though but he needs a good team around him.

[Helensburghhibs]

There was zero support for LJ in the ground tonight, not a peep about him.

Lennon would have had the place bouncing all night.

LJ has never once experienced a crowd at ER like we used to get under NL. It's not going to happen either. He needs to go.

He's hurting our club more than NL ever did.

I said to the laddie,, you never hear his name in the "green and white army" song like all our previous managers. Hes really not popular

[LunasBoots]

I knew this would be too thread. If you think Johnson was the problem tonight then Jeezo.

It's not just tonight though, the majority of the fan base have had enough, this can't continue on and on with his record.

[bingo70]

Lennon wouldn't unite the support. He'd fracture it. I personally wouldn't be in a rush back.

Fracture it even more than it currently is?

I think for a short period he would galvanise the club and the support, my concern is for how long it would last, for that reason I’d reluctantly say he’s probably not right for the job this time.

I do think he’d have been a good person in the dug out for a game like tonight though. Think his Cypriot team did well at old Trafford didn’t they?

[Helensburghhibs]

At this moment in time who is our star player, leader and cult hero?

We dont have one for me - its almost like its 11 bodies chucked together and hope for the best. This Vente does look a class act though but he needs a good team around him.

Yeah i agree. We also dont have any true characters, a couple of people try to create the persona but none realky fit the bill

[Daily Hibs]

There was zero support for LJ in the ground tonight, not a peep about him.

Lennon would have had the place bouncing all night.

LJ has never once experienced a crowd at ER like we used to get under NL. It's not going to happen either. He needs to go.

He's hurting our club more than NL ever did.

The 2017/18 Lennon season was the most enjoyable time to be a Hibs fan in recent memory and probably since the Mowbray days.

I think McInnes has the same level of gravitas and would create a similar sort of swagger for us. Something LJ never will.

[Since452]

There was zero support for LJ in the ground tonight, not a peep about him.

Lennon would have had the place bouncing all night.

LJ has never once experienced a crowd at ER like we used to get under NL. It's not going to happen either. He needs to go.

He's hurting our club more than NL ever did.

Is that you Neil?

[allezsauzee]

There was zero support for LJ in the ground tonight, not a peep about him.

Lennon would have had the place bouncing all night.

LJ has never once experienced a crowd at ER like we used to get under NL. It's not going to happen either. He needs to go.

He's hurting our club more than NL ever did.

Time for a Lennon BACK IN thread!

[CB Hibs 68]

But the facts are we didn’t win against 10 man Hearts - they dug in and ground out the result they needed PB - our manager (and players) didn’t see that job through. And that’s why this conversation is being had. These players lack hunger to succeed and that comes from the top - the players showed more fight at the full time whistle at Tynie than in the second half (in that game).

He needs to - and will - go. He’s not a good manager, much like his old man - full of spin, waffle, and ego. The fans are divided on him to the point they would celebrate his departure- that says it all. It’s a ruthless game and we need to make that ruthless decision now, not after a series of games.

Get Lennon back, pronto - he had his faults, but he’d unite the support right now. The support don’t ‘support’ Johnson and rightly so - he’s useless.
Even if I agree with what you say about LJ and it’s difficult to argue against that the thought of Lennon coming back NAH. This is the ma n who downed tools fell out big time with Leanne Dempster and should not on my view be anywhere near ER

[Since452]

Don't want characters like Neil Lennon anywhere near Easter Road.

[Glory Lurker]

Oh no. Not this again.

[truehibernian]

Is that you Neil?

I was next to the dressing room at Tynie when we lost 2-1 and we were going for 2nd / 3rd - if you’d asked me about Lenny back then I’d have said ‘please leave’ - the atmosphere was awful. Looking back it was a combination of things, maybe where his head was at, maybe the fact he’s a winner and achiever and saw underperforming players, some very bad reactionary behaviour that’s for sure - but tell you what, the man is an absolute winner and doesn’t settle for second best against anyone - his time away, coupled with experience abroad, and his hunger would unite the support right now.

Would he work under Kensall - that’s another story.

[Greenio]

This thread again 😯

[Daily Hibs]

I was next to the dressing room at Tynie when we lost 2-1 and we were going for 2nd / 3rd - if you’d asked me about Lenny back then I’d have said ‘please leave’ - the atmosphere was awful. Looking back it was a combination of things, maybe where his head was at, maybe the fact he’s a winner and achiever and saw underperforming players, some very bad reactionary behaviour that’s for sure - but tell you what, the man is an absolute winner and doesn’t settle for second best against anyone - his time away, coupled with experience abroad, and his hunger would unite the support right now.

Would he work under Kensall - that’s another story.

I think the reason for his anger and outburst was fully on Stevenson's performance that night and the mistakes he made. His mistakes led to two very soft goals and I think thats what caused Lennon to kick off as he knew 2nd was gone at that point. Watch the highlights back and see if you've seen a worse derby performance than Stevenson that night - soft as ****.

[JeMeSouviens]

It’s not losing to Villa that’s the problem. Even if we’d set up perfectly we would still lose if they were at it. But they didn’t even get out of 2nd gear and we still got skelped. We totally failed at the basics. He’s just not up to it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s not losing to Villa that’s the problem. Even if we’d set up perfectly we would still lose if they were at it. But they didn’t even get out of 2nd gear and we still got skelped. We totally failed at the basics. He’s just not up to it.

:agree:

And that’s the issue. Tonight was a free hit for him on the presumption he got the basics right. He got it horribly wrong and we were again humiliated.

The guy is a ****ing huddy. Starting Josh Campbell in that midfield? :faf:

[One Day Soon]

It’s not losing to Villa that’s the problem. Even if we’d set up perfectly we would still lose if they were at it. But they didn’t even get out of 2nd gear and we still got skelped. We totally failed at the basics. He’s just not up to it.

Yep - and every time he screws up he finds words to blame the players.

[truehibernian]

I think the reason for his anger and outburst was fully on Stevenson's performance that night and the mistakes he made. His mistakes led to two very soft goals and I think thats what caused Lennon to kick off as he knew 2nd was gone at that point. Watch the highlights back and see if you've seen a worse derby performance than Stevenson that night - soft as ****.

That was his post match interview once he’d calmed down. He mentioned players footwear and studs. His behaviour in the dressing room was a la Fergie and tea cups 😂

Not forgetting the abuse when we walked off the pitch and he gave the points we weee above then gesture 😂 (that made my night after a bad result)

[JohnM1875]

It's a hard one tonight, we were schooled by a team so far above our level it's almost a different sport, so don't really blame him. But tonight alone isn't why I want rid.

I've lost count the amount of times he's got it wrong then changed formation/shape at half time or thereabouts. Said it before I just think he's really poor at his job. Won't change.

Can't see him going anywhere soon though, even if we lose this weekend.

[SHODAN]

I am begging for the collective consciousness of hibs.net to come up with any plausible suggestion for manager, any ****ing name other than Neil Lennon.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I am begging for the collective consciousness of hibs.net to come up with any plausible suggestion for manager, any ****ing name other than Neil Lennon.

Derek McInnes. A man who has a record in Scottish football that blows any non OF manager out the water for probably about the last 50 years.

[Heisenberg]

I just don’t see him getting sacked for a good while yet.

[Willis1875]

I am begging for the collective consciousness of hibs.net to come up with any plausible suggestion for manager, any ****ing name other than Neil Lennon.

It’s a big footballing world,a global sport.Cast our net far and wide instead of the same mundane names that come up every time there is a managerial vacancy

[JohnM1875]

I am begging for the collective consciousness of hibs.net to come up with any plausible suggestion for manager, any ****ing name other than Neil Lennon.

Been plenty shouts for McInnes or Robinson so not sure what you mean?

[JeMeSouviens]

Derek McInnes. A man who has a record in Scottish football that blows any non OF manager out the water for probably about the last 50 years.

He’s no Alex Ferguson but I’ll assume you’re a youngster. :wink:

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’s no Alex Ferguson but I’ll assume you’re a youngster. :wink:

Ok, other than him then :greengrin

[SunshineOnLeith]

I was on the fence between "get rid" and "well he's been so well backed we may as well give him the season" before tonight but that's the tipping point for me. I can handle getting beat off Aston Villa, but we didn't set up in any way that was going to give us any chance of getting anything tonight. If you give a much better team than you all of the ball, guess what, you lose 5 nil. It reminded me so much of when Hearts played Spurs years ago at Tynie and before the game everyone was giving it the usual "famous Tynie atmosphere", "we'll get in their faces" stuff, but they went out and played almost exactly like we did tonight, and got beat (I think) 5 nil.

England has the self professed greatest cup competition in the world in the FA Cup, and nearly every year there's a shock on a par with what Hibs would have pulled off with a result tonight. The teams that pull those results off aren't the ones that meekly sit behind the ball and hope for the best, they're the ones with a clear, simple game plan that gives them a chance of winning the football match. Sure, sometimes those teams lose 5 nil, but I'd rather lose 5 nil in a game we tried to win, than lose 5 nil in whatever that was tonight.

Hibs had no tactics tonight beyond kick it into the channels and hope Boyle or Youan do something, which is no surprise because that's our only tactic in EVERY game near enough, and that's where I've fully lost it with Johnson, he can't set a team up with any sort of game plan, he clearly can't inspire the players to play above themselves, and his in game adjustments and substitutions are just weird - who looks at that first half performance tonight and thinks Jordan Obita is the problem? I'm not Obita's biggest fan, I'll go as far as to say I don't think he's very good, but tonight he was offering us an out ball and actually allowing players to get up the park a bit on the odd times we had possession, and was helping Stevenson out defensively which, lets face it, he desperately needed.

The sooner he's gone the better, although I don't think he'll actually be sacked for another couple of months.

[wookie70]

I was next to the dressing room at Tynie when we lost 2-1 and we were going for 2nd / 3rd - if you’d asked me about Lenny back then I’d have said ‘please leave’ - the atmosphere was awful. Looking back it was a combination of things, maybe where his head was at, maybe the fact he’s a winner and achiever and saw underperforming players, some very bad reactionary behaviour that’s for sure - but tell you what, the man is an absolute winner and doesn’t settle for second best against anyone - his time away, coupled with experience abroad, and his hunger would unite the support right now.

Would he work under Kensall - that’s another story.

If he did what he was meant to have done in terms of the comments on Dempster I want him nowhere near our club. If he didn't I don't want him back either. Tiny would be an example of him being an absolute bottle merchant for me and it didn't help that he never even understood the arithmetic and ramifications of the potential results. He may get even less out of this team than LJ. A manager who blows a potential once in a lifetime chance when he has the best squad handed to him and the biggest budget with the team he loves only second to himself isn't really a winner. He is a volatile character and manager and the last thing we need. I think the next month will see LJ sacked and McDermott take over in the hope he can find a way of building a team and style out of the squad. Hopefully I am wrong and we start winning but that seems unlikely to me.

[B.H.F.C]

I just don’t see him getting sacked for a good while yet.

With the distraction of Europe out the way now, he needs a run of results or I think he’ll be in trouble.

He’s never been terribly popular and there has been a fair bit of booing at various games. But if we fail to win on Saturday, it’ll be the first time the crowd really turn IMO. And once that happens only a really good run of form will save him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I was on the fence between "get rid" and "well he's been so well backed we may as well give him the season" before tonight but that's the tipping point for me. I can handle getting beat off Aston Villa, but we didn't set up in any way that was going to give us any chance of getting anything tonight. If you give a much better team than you all of the ball, guess what, you lose 5 nil. It reminded me so much of when Hearts played Spurs years ago at Tynie and before the game everyone was giving it the usual "famous Tynie atmosphere", "we'll get in their faces" stuff, but they went out and played almost exactly like we did tonight, and got beat (I think) 5 nil.

England has the self professed greatest cup competition in the world in the FA Cup, and nearly every year there's a shock on a par with what Hibs would have pulled off with a result tonight. The teams that pull those results off aren't the ones that meekly sit behind the ball and hope for the best, they're the ones with a clear, simple game plan that gives them a chance of winning the football match. Sure, sometimes those teams lose 5 nil, but I'd rather lose 5 nil in a game we tried to win, than lose 5 nil in whatever that was tonight.

Hibs had no tactics tonight beyond kick it into the channels and hope Boyle or Youan do something, which is no surprise because that's our only tactic in EVERY game near enough, and that's where I've fully lost it with Johnson, he can't set a team up with any sort of game plan, he clearly can't inspire the players to play above themselves, and his in game adjustments and substitutions are just weird - who looks at that first half performance tonight and thinks Jordan Obita is the problem? I'm not Obita's biggest fan, I'll go as far as to say I don't think he's very good, but tonight he was offering us an out ball and actually allowing players to get up the park a bit on the odd times we had possession, and was helping Stevenson out defensively which, lets face it, he desperately needed.

The sooner he's gone the better, although I don't think he'll actually be sacked for another couple of months.

Agree with every single word.

[JohnM1875]

With the distraction of Europe out the way now, he needs a run of results or I think he’ll be in trouble.

He’s never been terribly popular and there has been a fair bit of booing at various games. But if we fail to win on Saturday, it’ll be the first time the crowd really turn IMO. And once that happens only a really good run of form will save him.

It's fine though. Festival is still running on Saturday, so a ***** result him and BK will just go to another Fringe show to lighten the mood.

[ddoc]

:top marks

Fantastic post.

Some will strongly disagree, but for me, this is exactly what Hibs need right now.

Not in 2 or 3 weeks or months, now.


The way I see this is that there are a large number of us that are looking for desperate action to hopefully save us, and appointing Lennon would be exactly that IMO.
Lennon, I think without doubt, would galvanize the team and the supporters, but for how long would it last.
He is another manager that divides opinion, and many would find it difficult to get behind him due to the nature of him leaving. Though that would be quickly turned around if he produced consistent good result and performance.
I think the majority do not see us making any headway with LJ at the helm and bottom 6 is a distinct possibility, even this early in the season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's fine though. Festival is still running on Saturday, so a ***** result him and BK will just go to another Fringe show to lighten the mood.

Another magician like last weekend? Maybe we can get them in to make LJ disaappear.

[wookie70]

With the distraction of Europe out the way now, he needs a run of results or I think he’ll be in trouble.

He’s never been terribly popular and there has been a fair bit of booing at various games. But if we fail to win on Saturday, it’ll be the first time the crowd really turn IMO. And once that happens only a really good run of form will save him.

That is where I am at. He is one game away from being in serious bother and I don't think the fans are far from turning against him. Once it starts, and given teh run of games we have in October, he will be a dead man walking.

[DinkyTwo]

I thought the strategy tonight worked for 15/20 mins, until we had to deal with a cross.

Then two more crosses

A decent counter attack

A penalty

Killed us.

We're absolutely nowhere near Villa in terms of quality and finances. Elie Youan frustrated the absolute **** out of me all night and we squandered a few good chances to get back into the game when the scoreline was pretty reasonable.

Think the tactics were spot on but LJ has to sort out our ****ty defence and coach Youan better. Other than that, not a huge amount of complaint other than our reluctance to press midfield.

Our players are just a bit ****. If we had players to press all game and play killer passes, then we'd nowhere near where we are in terms of world football.

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[One Day Soon]

I am begging for the collective consciousness of hibs.net to come up with any plausible suggestion for manager, any ****ing name other than Neil Lennon.

Why? That’s what the Chief Executive and the Board are for.

[Broxburn Greens]

No sure where you really start with Hibs at present.

The whole set up is a joke.

It’s almost like the main point of the club has been forgotten.

Watching that’s was poor tonight regardless of the gulf in class, it was lacklustre and devoid of fight. For that the manager is responsible.

However, look around at this whole “match day experience”, example, these stupid “superstar” player intros on the big screens as the team is read out, what a total joke…

The nonsense social media team who punt out post after post of utter ***** day in / day out…

The clubs failure to have a decent ticketing system in place that rewards loyalty….

The pandering to an “Ultra’s group” who like smashing seats and chucking smoke bombs when this evening the best of what atmosphere there was generated from the East Stand who started chants/songs the rest of us all knew…..

I’ve said it before, the frills are all nice but ultimately I go to Hibs games first and foremost to see Hibs win matches, hopefully that’s entertaining football but sometimes if it’s not pretty I couldn’t really care.

All the other stuff is just rubbish and reeks of trying to be “with it” and so over the top commercial it’s just cringeworthy.

Maybe an old school manager like McIness would hunt the TV production luvvies out of the training centre when they rock up, maybe he’d put a team on the park who might be able to keep a clean sheet…. Maybe (and sorry for this for those of a certain age) he’d get us back to basics and ram all the other ***** where it belongs, in the bin.


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[matty_f]

I don't think Europe is the issue though - it is the results against a third rate Andorran side, losing to St Mirren at Home & Motherwell away and then scraping past Raith Rovers.

Given the the size of the club and turnover we should be streets ahead of teams like that, there becomes a point when it becomes on the fans for accepting it. We have accepted being mediocre for far too long now IMO.

We need the backbone of a side that will take the club forward for years. Marshall, Hanlon and Stevenson need replaced ASAP - just look at the basic mistakes they make on a weekly basis. The McGeady signing was always doomed to fail. We are good going forward but so so so soft at the back and we still dont have any leaders.

You’ve used two ties we’ve won as a reason to sack him. We beat the Andorrans 7-3 over the tie, and knocked Raith out the cup while resting players. They’re hardly sticks to beat the manager with ffs.

[JohnM1875]

Another magician like last weekend? Maybe we can get them in to make LJ disaappear.

If only eh!

I honestly don't mind him at all as a guy, think he has a good nature and is passionate about the club. I also don't doubt for a second he's doing all he can to win games of football. I just don't think he's good at his job so want him gone.

[jeffers]

No sure where you really start with Hibs at present.

The whole set up is a joke.

It’s almost like the main point of the club has been forgotten.

Watching that’s was poor tonight regardless of the gulf in class, it was lacklustre and devoid of fight. For that the manager is responsible.

However, look around at this whole “match day experience”, example, these stupid “superstar” player intros on the big screens as the team is read out, what a total joke…

The nonsense social media team who punt out post after post of utter ***** day in / day out…

The clubs failure to have a decent ticketing system in place that rewards loyalty….

The pandering to an “Ultra’s group” who like smashing seats and chucking smoke bombs when this evening the best of what atmosphere there was generated from the East Stand who started chants/songs the rest of us all knew…..

I’ve said it before, the frills are all nice but ultimately I go to Hibs games first and foremost to see Hibs win matches, hopefully that’s entertaining football but sometimes if it’s not pretty I couldn’t really care.

All the other stuff is just rubbish and reeks of trying to be “with it” and so over the top commercial it’s just cringeworthy.

Maybe an old school manager like McIness would hunt the TV production luvvies out of the training centre when they rock up, maybe he’d put a team on the park who might be able to keep a clean sheet…. Maybe (and sorry for this for those of a certain age) he’d get us back to basics and ram all the other ***** where it belongs, in the bin.


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Disagree.

In a lot of aspects we are in a really good place. Appoint a decent manager and things will improve. Of course there are deficiencies in our squad but I still believe the summer signings are decent.

[B.H.F.C]

That is where I am at. He is one game away from being in serious bother and I don't think the fans are far from turning against him. Once it starts, and given teh run of games we have in October, he will be a dead man walking.

I’ve always been one of those that thought he’s well in at the club and would be around for a while.

The performances at the start of this season have changed my mind though. I don’t think anyone can ignore them. We had something to build on in the latter part of last season but we’ve went backwards. I just don’t think we look like a team with a plan and the players don’t understand their jobs. We have some good individuals In the final third who will dig us out but you can’t just rely on that.

[Donegal Hibby]

This thread again 😯

Suits some folks agenda against the manager just :rolleyes:

[DinkyTwo]

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[DinkyTwo]

No sure where you really start with Hibs at present.

The whole set up is a joke.

It’s almost like the main point of the club has been forgotten.

Watching that’s was poor tonight regardless of the gulf in class, it was lacklustre and devoid of fight. For that the manager is responsible.

However, look around at this whole “match day experience”, example, these stupid “superstar” player intros on the big screens as the team is read out, what a total joke…

The nonsense social media team who punt out post after post of utter ***** day in / day out…

The clubs failure to have a decent ticketing system in place that rewards loyalty….

The pandering to an “Ultra’s group” who like smashing seats and chucking smoke bombs when this evening the best of what atmosphere there was generated from the East Stand who started chants/songs the rest of us all knew…..

I’ve said it before, the frills are all nice but ultimately I go to Hibs games first and foremost to see Hibs win matches, hopefully that’s entertaining football but sometimes if it’s not pretty I couldn’t really care.

All the other stuff is just rubbish and reeks of trying to be “with it” and so over the top commercial it’s just cringeworthy.

Maybe an old school manager like McIness would hunt the TV production luvvies out of the training centre when they rock up, maybe he’d put a team on the park who might be able to keep a clean sheet…. Maybe (and sorry for this for those of a certain age) he’d get us back to basics and ram all the other ***** where it belongs, in the bin.


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Drumming, singing and clapping when their team was 5-0 down. Bigger supporters of Hibs than either of us will ever be.

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[JohnM1875]

I’ve always been one of those that thought he’s well in at the club and would be around for a while.

The performances at the start of this season have changed my mind though. I don’t think anyone can ignore them. We had something to build on in the latter part of last season but we’ve went backwards. I just don’t think we look like a team with a plan and the players don’t understand their jobs. We have some good individuals In the final third who will dig us out but you can’t just rely on that.

I'm with you.

Lost away to the Andorran mob, home to St Mirren, away to 'Well and won but were pretty beige against Raith. I'm not even going to count tonight's result.

I'm not one of these folk that think we should always be beating the likes of St Mirren or Motherwell either by the way. But that's the first game against an Andorran team, first half/70 minutes against St Mirren, basically 90 against Motherwell and the bulk of the Raith game where we've been really really poor.

Really worrying. Signed nine new players as well so any further recruitment will be minimal.

[Hermit Crab]

He wont be sacked after tonight as it was expected but should we lose to Livvy on Saturday, thats the first 3 league games against more than beatable opposition and zero points to show for it. He'll be back under huge pressure again.

[Silky]

Been plenty shouts for McInnes or Robinson so not sure what you mean?

Ahh, the Largs mafia. Surely we can have more ambition than that? The SPL revolving door of managers who have been around the block. Is that the best we have? Really? In a global sport like football. Wow.

[jeffers]

Suits some folks agenda against the manager just :rolleyes:

Were you at the game tonight ? You can talk about agendas all you want but there was no one around me defending Johnson and it was the same listening to fans as I was walking out.

I know this site isn’t a full reflection of the Hibs support as a whole but it interests me when I read as many posts as I do on here defending him. It doesn’t reflect at all what I hear in person. I’ve yet to meet another fan who has any time for him.

[Danderhall Hibs]

He wont be sacked after tonight as it was expected but should we lose to Livvy on Saturday, thats the first 3 league games against more than beatable opposition and zero points to show for it. He'll be back under huge pressure again.

And if we win on Saturday how long does the pressure stay off? Just a week?

[007]

It's fine though. Festival is still running on Saturday, so a ***** result him and BK will just go to another Fringe show to lighten the mood.

So they're not even allowed any time off now?

[JohnM1875]

So they're not even allowed any time off now?

Correct.

[Hermit Crab]

And if we win on Saturday how long does the pressure stay off? Just a week?


He's only ever going to be a couple of league defeats away from real pressure.

[DinkyTwo]

And if we win on Saturday how long does the pressure stay off? Just a week?None. The new manager should have won the past 3 league games too.

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[Hibbyradge]

Ahh, the Largs mafia. Surely we can have more ambition than that? The SPL revolving door of managers who have been around the block. Is that the best we have? Really? In a global sport like football. Wow.

Maloney and LJ aren't "Largs mafia", whatever that actually is.

[TelaStella]

Tonight was the final straw for me.

While it’s somewhat encouraging to see so many others feeling the same and as always with respect to opinion, to conclude any what otherwise is as mental as it is dangerous, sorry.

What could be at least agreed upon consistently amongst us all tonight was the game was never meant to be straight forward and I concede I really foreseen nothing but a beating, potentially a sore one at that. I had at least expected to see us actually turn up though and the prospect of a genuine contest between not just two teams but two leagues did excite me but wasn’t to be. from kick off we weren’t there. Absolutely no press. No challenges. A completely absent sign of any whatsoever rise to the occasion. Few times have I ever felt so let down and disappointed as a supporter of this club as tonight.

Take absolutely nothing away from Villa, I am sure they are a solid side who will prosper this season, domestically and in Europe. Honestly I wish them well. But we by absolutely no means looked to give them any challenge whatsoever tonight so how anyone could stupidly play the result down to an apparent gulf in class is delusional. We weren’t there and they never came out first gear and from what I could tell that all comes from the manager in charge tonight. It’s an absolutely shocking performance, apart of a reign that simply cannot go on any longer. Get him so far to fk from this club.


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[matty_f]

Tonight was the final straw for me.

While it’s somewhat encouraging to see so many others feeling the same and as always with respect to opinion, to conclude any what otherwise is as mental as it is dangerous, sorry.

What could be at least agreed upon consistently amongst us all tonight was the game was never meant to be straight forward and I concede I really foreseen nothing but a beating, potentially a sore one at that. I had at least expected to see us actually turn up though and the prospect of a genuine contest between not just two teams but two leagues did excite me but wasn’t to be. from kick off we weren’t there. Absolutely no press. No challenges. A completely absent sign of any whatsoever rise to the occasion. Few times have I ever felt so let down and disappointed as a supporter of this club as tonight.

Take absolutely nothing away from Villa, I am sure they are a solid side who will prosper this season, domestically and in Europe. Honestly I wish them well. But we by absolutely no means looked to give them any challenge whatsoever tonight so how anyone could stupidly play the result down to an apparent gulf in class is delusional. We weren’t there and they never came out first gear and from what I could tell that all comes from the manager in charge tonight. It’s an absolutely shocking performance, apart of a reign that simply cannot go on any longer. Get him so far to fk from this club.


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I honestly have to question the idea that suggesting the result was down to a gulf in class as delusional.

They subbed off a World Cup winner. They had internationals in every position on the pitch and a manager that’s one European trophies multiple times.

Their team cost in the region of half a billion pounds.

Of course if ****ing looked easy for them.

[Vault Boy]

Suits some folks agenda against the manager just :rolleyes:

The only agenda that exists here is being pro-Hibs, and for a number of reasons that means being anti-Johnson for some folk. If we thought he was doing a competent job, nobody would be piping up. But, by mine and many others’ reckoning, he’s not doing that. It’s that simple, the idea that it’s a nefarious agenda rather than an earnest desire for the betterment of our football club is totally wide.

[Centre Hawf]

I was next to the dressing room at Tynie when we lost 2-1 and we were going for 2nd / 3rd - if you’d asked me about Lenny back then I’d have said ‘please leave’ - the atmosphere was awful. Looking back it was a combination of things, maybe where his head was at, maybe the fact he’s a winner and achiever and saw underperforming players, some very bad reactionary behaviour that’s for sure - but tell you what, the man is an absolute winner and doesn’t settle for second best against anyone - his time away, coupled with experience abroad, and his hunger would unite the support right now.

Would he work under Kensall - that’s another story.

Would a winner have went to Tynecastle with the set up he did? Total guff. Lennon has had his time and it’s gone now. Will forever remember those 6 months he was in charge for but other than a mediocre Championship win that was all he had. 6 months.

[JohnM1875]

Just listened to his post match interview on Hibs YouTube and don't disagree with him at all. He says much of what I thought about the game.

Difference is it's his job to get things right initially. All fine reflecting post game.

[TelaStella]

I honestly have to question the idea that suggesting the result was down to a gulf in class as delusional.

They subbed off a World Cup winner. They had internationals in every position on the pitch and a manager that’s one European trophies multiple times.

Their team cost in the region of half a billion pounds.

Of course if ****ing looked easy for them.

A goalkeeper 3-0 up going on 6 at half time without a save to make? We made it look easy for them without ever even challenging from the start, did you seriously see any different? I wish I did. If we had any what of a go tonight and that was still the result you’d be right. We stood off, handed them control and sat back without even a sniff. Disgrace of a performance regardless of the opponent.


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[Callum_62]

A goalkeeper 3-0 up going on 6 at half time without a save to make? We made it look easy for them without ever even challenging from the start, did you seriously see any different? I wish I did. If we had any what of a go tonight and that was still the result you’d be right. We stood off, handed them control and sat back without even a sniff. Disgrace of a performance regardless of the opponent.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWe go and "have a go" I'm assuming that means press high from the start

We would've been a goal down within 5 minutes

Johnson out started immediately for being naive

You seen how they sliced through is when we did press high

Aslong as villa turned up anyway into the game and we were in big bother

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[SaulGoodman]

A goalkeeper 3-0 up going on 6 at half time without a save to make? We made it look easy for them without ever even challenging from the start, did you seriously see any different? I wish I did. If we had any what of a go tonight and that was still the result you’d be right. We stood off, handed them control and sat back without even a sniff. Disgrace of a performance regardless of the opponent.


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Sorry but I’ve been reading this kind of sentiment all night and it’s a lot of *****. Do you think the key to being a good team is going out and trying a bit harder and pressing quicker?

You think our players wanted to stand off them and let them run at us? No, but they had no option.

I seriously think some people here think the secret to being a football manager against a team 100x better than yours is to go out and try really hard and press high.

[Hibbyradge]

Tonight was the final straw for me.

While it’s somewhat encouraging to see so many others feeling the same and as always with respect to opinion, to conclude any what otherwise is as mental as it is dangerous, sorry.

What could be at least agreed upon consistently amongst us all tonight was the game was never meant to be straight forward and I concede I really foreseen nothing but a beating, potentially a sore one at that. I had at least expected to see us actually turn up though and the prospect of a genuine contest between not just two teams but two leagues did excite me but wasn’t to be. from kick off we weren’t there. Absolutely no press. No challenges. A completely absent sign of any whatsoever rise to the occasion. Few times have I ever felt so let down and disappointed as a supporter of this club as tonight.

Take absolutely nothing away from Villa, I am sure they are a solid side who will prosper this season, domestically and in Europe. Honestly I wish them well. But we by absolutely no means looked to give them any challenge whatsoever tonight so how anyone could stupidly play the result down to an apparent gulf in class is delusional. We weren’t there and they never came out first gear and from what I could tell that all comes from the manager in charge tonight. It’s an absolutely shocking performance, apart of a reign that simply cannot go on any longer. Get him so far to fk from this club.


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Did you actually see the game?

The gulf in class couldn't have been more obvious. Their speed, flight of foot, first touch and their trust of each other was fantastic.

I'm not delusional.

[Callum_62]

Tonight was the final straw for me.

While it’s somewhat encouraging to see so many others feeling the same and as always with respect to opinion, to conclude any what otherwise is as mental as it is dangerous, sorry.

What could be at least agreed upon consistently amongst us all tonight was the game was never meant to be straight forward and I concede I really foreseen nothing but a beating, potentially a sore one at that. I had at least expected to see us actually turn up though and the prospect of a genuine contest between not just two teams but two leagues did excite me but wasn’t to be. from kick off we weren’t there. Absolutely no press. No challenges. A completely absent sign of any whatsoever rise to the occasion. Few times have I ever felt so let down and disappointed as a supporter of this club as tonight.

Take absolutely nothing away from Villa, I am sure they are a solid side who will prosper this season, domestically and in Europe. Honestly I wish them well. But we by absolutely no means looked to give them any challenge whatsoever tonight so how anyone could stupidly play the result down to an apparent gulf in class is delusional. We weren’t there and they never came out first gear and from what I could tell that all comes from the manager in charge tonight. It’s an absolutely shocking performance, apart of a reign that simply cannot go on any longer. Get him so far to fk from this club.


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[matty_f]

A goalkeeper 3-0 up going on 6 at half time without a save to make? We made it look easy for them without ever even challenging from the start, did you seriously see any different? I wish I did. If we had any what of a go tonight and that was still the result you’d be right. We stood off, handed them control and sat back without even a sniff. Disgrace of a performance regardless of the opponent.

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We beat Inter d’ Escalades 7-3 on aggregate, second leg at Easter Rd was an absolute skoosh for us after an embarrassing first leg.

There’s a c£8m difference in squad value between us and them. That’s peanuts in football terms yet we all went radge about the defeat and fully expected us to pump them.

There’s c£540m difference in squad value between us and Villa.

I’m not surprised we didn’t trouble their keeper much.

[Callum_62]

We beat Inter d’ Escalades 7-3 on aggregate, second leg at Easter Rd was an absolute skoosh for us after an embarrassing first leg.

There’s a c£8m difference in squad value between us and them.

There’s c£540m difference in squad value between us and Villa.

I’m not surprised we didn’t trouble their keeper much.Why didn't inter just run faster at Easter road?

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[SaulGoodman]

We beat Inter d’ Escalades 7-3 on aggregate, second leg at Easter Rd was an absolute skoosh for us after an embarrassing first leg.

There’s a c£8m difference in squad value between us and them.

There’s c£540m difference in squad value between us and Villa.

I’m not surprised we didn’t trouble their keeper much.

Aye but why didn’t our players try a bit harder?

[JohnM1875]

Actually wish he did more post match interviews like that, came across really well in my opinion.

[TelaStella]

Did you actually see the game?

The gulf in class couldn't have been more obvious. Their speed, flight of foot, first touch and their trust of each other was fantastic.

I'm not delusional.

Yep £30 for it and a 2 hour round journey for the pleasure.


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[TelaStella]

Sorry but I’ve been reading this kind of sentiment all night and it’s a lot of *****. Do you think the key to being a good team is going out and trying a bit harder and pressing quicker?

You think our players wanted to stand off them and let them run at us? No, but they had no option.

I seriously think some people here think the secret to being a football manager against a team 100x better than yours is to go out and try really hard and press high.

I do yeah but regardless of me being right or wrong, the opposite approach adopted by our head coach tonight really paid of eh. Btw no I don’t think that’s what our players will of wanted but it’s the instructions they were clearly given. Unlike Johnson I’m not throwing them under any buses.


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[TelaStella]

We go and "have a go" I'm assuming that means press high from the start

We would've been a goal down within 5 minutes

Johnson out started immediately for being naive

You seen how they sliced through is when we did press high

Aslong as villa turned up anyway into the game and we were in big bother

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Hindsight. Better than being 3 down by half time? When did we press high tonight?


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[Callum_62]

Hindsight. Better than being 3 down by half time? When did we press high tonight?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhen villa played it around in there own box, suckered us in then sliced through us like butter

If we went gung ho we would've quite possibly been more than 3 down at HT

Again though it's all easy to say in hindsight

Fact is and always was, unless the team that cost 1/2 billion quid to assemble had a real shocker then we were in way above our level

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[007]

Correct.

Why not?

[JohnM1875]

Why not?

I wasn't being serious.

[Donegal Hibby]

Were you at the game tonight ? You can talk about agendas all you want but there was no one around me defending Johnson and it was the same listening to fans as I was walking out.

I know this site isn’t a full reflection of the Hibs support as a whole but it interests me when I read as many posts as I do on here defending him. It doesn’t reflect at all what I hear in person. I’ve yet to meet another fan who has any time for him.

Cmon now mate you probably have a fair idea I wasn't at the game living in Donegal. Maybe the fans around you were the same ones you were listening to walking out that wasn't defending LJ btw ? 😁 .

I do think there's an agenda against the manager and I'm sorry mate I do think you are one who has it in for him with your comments about the manager in the past .

Tonight we played one of the best teams I've seen at ER , a really top , top quality side . Full of players of unbelievably outstanding quality mate . Even the sub keeper they took on cost more than we spent on our team this season. We were always going to get a doing from them mate and even if we had Pepe Guardiola the outcome would probably be the same. It's not a game imo we should be too critical of the manager or the players tbh .

Maybe you haven't met a fan who has any time for him though you sure do know one though 😉

[007]

Were you at the game tonight ? You can talk about agendas all you want but there was no one around me defending Johnson and it was the same listening to fans as I was walking out.

I know this site isn’t a full reflection of the Hibs support as a whole but it interests me when I read as many posts as I do on here defending him. It doesn’t reflect at all what I hear in person. I’ve yet to meet another fan who has any time for him.

What exactly is the point you are making? That it is only some people on here that think sacking the manager right now isn't the right thing to do?

[jeffers]

Cmon now mate you probably have a fair idea I wasn't at the game living in Donegal. Maybe the fans around you were the same ones you were listening to walking out that wasn't defending LJ btw ? 😁 .

I do think there's an agenda against the manager and I'm sorry mate I do think you are one who has it in for him with your comments about the manager in the past .

Tonight we played one of the best teams I've seen at ER , a really top , top quality side . Full of players of unbelievably outstanding quality mate . Even the sub keeper they took on cost more than we spent on our team this season. We were always going to get a doing from them mate and even if we had Pepe Guardiola the outcome would probably be the same. It's not a game imo we should be too critical of the manager or the players tbh .

Maybe you haven't met a fan who has any time for him though you sure do know one though 😉

Honestly DH, I didn’t know if you lived there or were just from there.

I agree, Villa were excellent, bigger, stronger and more technical. I’m not sure what he could have done that would have made any real difference, but defending for me was just too similar to the other games I’ve seen v much lesser opposition.

Haha I certainly do.

[jeffers]

What exactly is the point you are making? That it is only some people on here that think sacking the manager right now isn't the right thing to do?

It feels that way yes, I don’t get the impression at games he’s got much support if any from the fans.

[007]

It feels that way yes, I don’t get the impression at games he’s got much support if any from the fans.

Just because nobody leapt to the defence of LJ, doesn't mean folk saying nothing don't think now would be the wrong time to sack him. It could just mean they didn't want to get into an argument. What did happen though was a lot were clapping the team as they came off the park (you were maybe already out by then) so they obviously recognised how difficult it was to compete with a team as good as Villa.

[Donegal Hibby]

Honestly DH, I didn’t know if you lived there or were just from there.

I agree, Villa were excellent, bigger, stronger and more technical. I’m not sure what he could have done that would have made any real difference, but defending for me was just too similar to the other games I’ve seen v much lesser opposition.

Haha I certainly do.

I think Villa's quality was unreal tbh The cross for there first goal imo was of the highest quality and Watkins finish was superb tbh .

If your referring to our defending in both St mirren and Motherwell's games then I agree it wasn't great though it's not been a easy for us playing in Europe which has had an effect on us in our two league games imo .

Btw that's twice we have agreed on something now ! . Hope for the world yet mate 😂😂😂

[OstKurve Hibs]

Not harsh at all. LJ and his coaching staff work with these players and set them up. We've conceded 3 shocking goals in a first half where Villa never got out of 1st gear.

Add to that the abysmal performances in Andorra, Motherwell and the first hour v St Mirren and it's win or bust for LJ on Saturday.

Hope he gets sacked soon, that defending and general play last night was very poor. Yes villa were huge favourites but we can't even do basic defending, the goals we lost to villa are the same stupid avoidable type of goals we concede against St mirren, motherwell and the rest. We give teams goals on a plate.
Marking is poor, tracking of runners is poor, concentration levels seem non existent at times. No agression, just namby pamby stand offish defending.

The constant drivel he comes out with aswell is boring, talkin on the radio before the game about how the boys "are somewhere between fear and excitement going into the game, fear ? Really ?

[theonlywayisup]

Honestly DH, I didn’t know if you lived there or were just from there.

I agree, Villa were excellent, bigger, stronger and more technical. I’m not sure what he could have done that would have made any real difference, but defending for me was just too similar to the other games I’ve seen v much lesser opposition.

Haha I certainly do.

I have never been in the "Johnson Out" camp, as I don't believe sacking managers every season or so helps in building a team.

That said, I am really frustrated by our style of play. There is a serious lack of movement in our team. I see little attempt at supporting the player with ball. I see a lack of composure when on the ball. Our game plan appears to be get the ball to Boyle & Youan hoping that they'll create something or lump the ball forward to Vente/Doidge/ALF. In both cases, our midfield offer little support unless its a backward pass.

IMO we need much better in midfield. Trying to perm a midfield from Newell, Campbell, JDH, Jeggo, Henderson, Levitt and Delf is bottom six material. It's not like this hasn't been pointed out before.

Yes, it was against Aston Villa, but I've not been impressed with how we've played against Raith Rovers, Motherwell, St.Mirren and the Andorran team in the first leg either. We need a change in game style and we need better on the pitch, especially in midfield. I'm still not in the "Johnson Out" camp, but I'm quite concerned about the direction we're heading.

[Gatecrasher]

I felt like we approached last night's game like we have any other, same shape, long ball pish and surprisingly (or not) utterly woeful at the back. Yes we were up against a villa team who are miles ahead of us but that doesn't excuse the way we played. It was the same ***** we have been watching for the last 12 months under him. I'll actually be surprised if the agg score is not double figures.

[Skol]

I agree there are questions over Johnson but a decision cannot be made after villa. Saturday is key though. A third league defeat or even a draw does start to put his position in question.

I have a feeling though that we will win on Saturday and maybe another few which takes us back to a more secure position.

[Rick Rude]

I think Villa's quality was unreal tbh The cross for there first goal imo was of the highest quality and Watkins finish was superb tbh .

If your referring to our defending in both St mirren and Motherwell's games then I agree it wasn't great though it's not been a easy for us playing in Europe which has had an effect on us in our two league games imo .

Btw that's twice we have agreed on something now ! . Hope for the world yet mate 😂😂😂

The cross was great but you'd expect that when you give the boy that much time and space to make it. Then to continue to give him that much time and space to put in multiple more crosses that they score another couple from is just god awful. After the first Boyle should have been told to be tracking back with him, if he was and he didn't do it then he should have been hooked for someone who would.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Johnson's not going to leave - why should he? He knows he'll get sacked and get a payoff until he picks up his next gig.

If the results get worse, the excuses will be bizarre and we will need to wait and see who gets chucked under the bus.

There's clearly something not working at Easter road and he has had a lot of money to spend, getting very little right in the process. There's the occasional cryptic message saying things aren't great from those I assume are "ITK" so the info is coming from somewhere.

I don't know how cosy he is with the those in charge at Hibs but surely even they realise that it can't keep going on the way it is.

He's clearly bought himself time as ultimately, if figures are correct, this euro run has brought in over £1m and we're not out of August.

Time will tell and I hope it tells very soon.

[Walter]

Please can we have a tactically astute manager?

I'm not saying I'd know one, but surely the people running a football club would

[Not In The Know]

Johnson's not going to leave - why should he? He knows he'll get sacked and get a payoff until he picks up his next gig.

If the results get worse, the excuses will be bizarre and we will need to wait and see who gets chucked under the bus.

There's clearly something not working at Easter road and he has had a lot of money to spend, getting very little right in the process. There's the occasional cryptic message saying things aren't great from those I assume are "ITK" so the info is coming from somewhere.

I don't know how cosy he is with the those in charge at Hibs but surely even they realise that it can't keep going on the way it is.

He's clearly bought himself time with this win as ultimately, if figures are correct, this euro run has brought in over £1m and we're not out of August.

Time will tell and I hope it tells very soon.


I want him out asap. He’s a slaver. Last night was ***** but it’s not a reason to sack him all it did was hold a magnifying glass against the huge deficiencies in our team. If he can’t see them (and sort) after that then there will be no reason to keep him.

no less than a win against livi and he’s oot

[Brightside]

He will be gone soon enough. And it’s nothing to do with last night.

[OstKurve Hibs]

He's a slavering tool, his latest one now is that the villa players have almost superhuman powers,

The **** he comes out wi it is total cringe,

Get a grip ya bawbag

[Heisenberg]

He's a slavering tool, his latest one now is that the villa players have almost superhuman powers,

Get a grip ya bawbag

I thought it was just 11 human beings against 11 human beings? Now they are superhuman? He needs to make his mind up 😂

[stoneyburn hibs]

I really hope that the process has started to find his replacement.
To be without a manager for 2/3 weeks after his removal could leave us quite a way behind our European rivals.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I want him out asap. He’s a slaver. Last night was ***** but it’s not a reason to sack him all it did was hold a magnifying glass against the huge deficiencies in our team. If he can’t see them (and sort) after that then there will be no reason to keep him.

no less than a win against livi and he’s oot

Most of the stadium could see digne was getting a lot of room last except the bench and little was done to mitigate it. It's the league games/cups that will be his downfall. We were not brilliant against Raith but he got the win. The next couple of games are important and most certainly, there has to be some kind of change as things aren't working.

[bingo70]

He will be gone soon enough. And it’s nothing to do with last night.

You were saying last week he’d be here for the season regardless, what has changed?

[bingo70]

I really hope that the process has started to find his replacement.
To be without a manager for 2/3 weeks after his removal could leave us quite a way behind our European rivals.

I don’t think a caretaker manager would do any worse when talking a 2/3 week period.

[Joe6-2]

Can we please get a manager who insists on dealing with our defensive shambles

[Brightside]

You were saying last week he’d be here for the season regardless, what has changed?

How soon is now Bingo. He’s being heavily supported by BK. He needs to start winning league games. If he wins a couple in the next few week he will be fine. But to discontent in the stands is definitely growing.

[superfurryhibby]

How soon is now Bingo. He’s being heavily supported by BK. He needs to start winning league games. If he wins a couple in the next few week he will be fine. But to discontent in the stands is definitely growing.

I would guess that if he fails to win on Saturday, his time will be up.

[jeffers]

Just because nobody leapt to the defence of LJ, doesn't mean folk saying nothing don't think now would be the wrong time to sack him. It could just mean they didn't want to get into an argument. What did happen though was a lot were clapping the team as they came off the park (you were maybe already out by then) so they obviously recognised how difficult it was to compete with a team as good as Villa.

My comments weren’t based just on last night. It’s been that way at ER for months - my mates, people that sit near me, comments I hear walking out. He’s not a popular guy. Nothing to do with getting in to an argument Whether that’s a reflection of most fans I don’t know.

Yeah I stayed to the end.

[bingo70]

I would guess that if he fails to win on Saturday, his time will be up.

I think we’re certainly nearing that point.

We’ve spent a lot of money this summer and with that comes pressure. If he’s not getting results he’ll be replaced quickly I think.

[K-Zazu]

Mcallister last night seemed like he didn’t give a toss giggling and laughing after the match, with about 50 appearances for Hearts under his belt I’m not surprised. The whole coaching set up is crap.

[flash]

My comments weren’t based just on last night. It’s been that way at ER for months - my mates, people that sit near me, comments I hear walking out. He’s not a popular guy. Nothing to do with getting in to an argument Whether that’s a reflection of most fans I don’t know.

Yeah I stayed to the end.

I would agree based on what I have seen or heard too.

Nothing whatsoever to do with last night, in fact I find a lot of the reaction to that ludicrous.

More that we still have no discernible style of play and are totally incapable of stopping other teams creating opportunities to score.

[matty_f]

Mcallister last night seemed like he didn’t give a toss giggling and laughing after the match, with about 50 appearances for Hearts under his belt I’m not surprised. The whole coaching set up is crap.

Ffs.

[K-Zazu]

Ffs.

Would hearts have an ex-hibby (and manager) as an assistant coach?

The whole thing was a disaster from the start

[WhileTheChief..]

I think we’re certainly nearing that point.

We’ve spent a lot of money this summer and with that comes pressure. If he’s not getting results he’ll be replaced quickly I think.

Watching his post match interview last night, he looked kinda sheepish.

I think he now appreciates that the pressure is on. He’s been fairly relaxed about any criticism directed at him previously.

[Gatecrasher]

Would hearts have an ex-hibby (and manager) as an assistant coach?

The whole thing was a disaster from the start

They had stevie Crawford on their staff for a while.

[gbhibby]

He's a slavering tool, his latest one now is that the villa players have almost superhuman powers,

The **** he comes out wi it is total cringe,

Get a grip ya bawbag
It's called fitness and conditioning, nothing superhuman about it.

[matty_f]

Would hearts have an ex-hibby (and manager) as an assistant coach?

The whole thing was a disaster from the start

John Rankin’s been on their coaching staff, might still be. So yes, they would.

[Ray_]

Would hearts have an ex-hibby (and manager) as an assistant coach?

The whole thing was a disaster from the start

Purely playground stuff this, a rake of ex-Hearts players who done extremely well when they came to Hibs and vice versa. People who earn their living in football don't put their job at risk because they played four games for the local rivals, 17 years ago! He needs to go because he hasn't been a success, nothing to do with any connection with hearts.

[007]

Mcallister last night seemed like he didn’t give a toss giggling and laughing after the match, with about 50 appearances for Hearts under his belt I’m not surprised. The whole coaching set up is crap.

David Gray grew up supporting Hearts and was there for 4 years as a youth. What's your stance on him?

[blackpoolhibs]

First off, Villa are probably THE best side i've seen us play at Easter Road, the gulf in class was off the scale.

Villa never really got out of 2nd gear and won at a canter.

Yet after saying that, how easy did we make it for them to open us up wide, WTF was going on with both full backs tucking in and giving their wide men the run of the wings?

The first 3 goals and the 4th one in the 2nd half were direct results of us giving away the wide areas as if we were frightened to go into that space and make a challenge.

I honestly couldnt work out what formation we were playing, and we didnt change the way we defended the wide areas all game.

Surely tae **** the manager could see that those tactics were not working, they just picked us off, imean we cant defend crosses against run of the mill Scottish sides, what made him think we could against a top class English team?

Now they may have still picked us off if we'd played differently, but jesus christ how he set us up was clearly not working.:rolleyes:

[matty_f]

First off, Villa are probably THE best side i've seen us play at Easter Road, the gulf in class was off the scale.

Villa never really got out of 2nd gear and won at a canter.

Yet after saying that, how easy did we make it for them to open us up wide, WTF was going on with both full backs tucking in and giving their wide men the run of the wings?

The first 3 goals and the 4th one in the 2nd half were direct results of us giving away the wide areas as if we were frightened to go into that space and make a challenge.

I honestly couldnt work out what formation we were playing, and we didnt change the way we defended the wide areas all game.

Surely tae **** the manager could see that those tactics were not working, they just picked us off, imean we cant defend crosses against run of the mill Scottish sides, what made him think we could against a top class English team?

Now they may have still picked us off if we'd played differently, but jesus christ how he set us up was clearly not working.:rolleyes:

Villa created that space as much as anything, i watched the game with a coach who’s got a B licence, and is about to start studying for his A licence and the breakdown of some of Villa’s play was brilliant - they worked the space brilliantly and it was the speed and precision of their play that created the gaps.

[WhileTheChief..]

Purely playground stuff this, a rake of ex-Hearts players who done extremely well when they came to Hibs and vice versa. People who earn their living in football don't put their job at risk because they played four games for the local rivals, 17 years ago! He needs to go because he hasn't been a success, nothing to do with any connection with hearts.

Maybe as players, but in management?

Remember Billy Brown’s chat about divided loyalties before the cup final?! What the actual f was that all about. Should have been sacked for gross misconduct immediately.

It would be like Hearts appointing Yogi :greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

Villa created that space as much as anything, i watched the game with a coach who’s got a B licence, and is about to start studying for his A licence and the breakdown of some of Villa’s play was brilliant - they worked the space brilliantly and it was the speed and precision of their play that created the gaps.

Cannae wait to hear what your podcast makes of that disaster Matthew

Plenty of talking points

[matty_f]

Cannae wait to hear what your podcast makes of that disaster Matthew

Plenty of talking points

I’m not sure I’m looking forward to recording it :faf:

[blackpoolhibs]

Villa created that space as much as anything, i watched the game with a coach who’s got a B licence, and is about to start studying for his A licence and the breakdown of some of Villa’s play was brilliant - they worked the space brilliantly and it was the speed and precision of their play that created the gaps.

I watched the game with someone who coaches football too, and used to scout for players for some decent sized English clubs, and while i agree Villa worked the ball well and their movement was magnificent, our shape was poor and i still cant work out what it actually was?

If we are going to tuck our full backs in, then surely our wide men have to fill in when Villa have the ball, they clearly didnt all night.

They probably would have created gaps if we changed the formation, but that is my point, we didnt even try, we persisted on a game plan that clearly did not work, and that is where all their goals came from, IE wide one on ones.:confused:

[JimBHibees]

I watched the game with someone who coaches football too, and used to scout for players for some decent sized English clubs, and while i agree Villa worked the ball well and their movement was magnificent, our shape was poor and i still cant work out what it actually was?

If we are going to tuck our full backs in, then surely our wide men have to fill in when Villa have the ball, they clearly didnt all night.

They probably would have created gaps if we changed the formation, but that is my point, we didnt even try, we persisted on a game plan that clearly did not work, and that is where all their goals came from, IE wide one on ones.:confused:

Agree with that never looked like we had a plan and to have Boyle Youan vente all starting seemed naive. Personally would have had a 541 set up with 3 centre backs thought being to protect the goal better with the full backs wider in an attempt to pressure the cross. Far too open imo

[flash]

Villa created that space as much as anything, i watched the game with a coach who’s got a B licence, and is about to start studying for his A licence and the breakdown of some of Villa’s play was brilliant - they worked the space brilliantly and it was the speed and precision of their play that created the gaps.

When they did create the space outside Digne's delivery was ridiculously good as well.
Every ball he put in was perfect.

[JimBHibees]

When they did create the space outside Digne's delivery was ridiculously good as well.
Every ball he put in was perfect.

Agree it was however his delivery isn't a secret probably one of the best crossers in that league.

[ScottB]

I think the takeaway I had was you could tell the Villa players knew where each other was going to be, they followed patterns, tactics etc and adapted as they went.

A lot of the time when we got the ball it was more like panic, improvising in the moment, having to look around to see if anyone was available etc.

[DanishJohn]

Maybe as players, but in management?

Remember Billy Brown’s chat about divided loyalties before the cup final?! What the actual f was that all about. Should have been sacked for gross misconduct immediately.

It would be like Hearts appointing Yogi :greengrin


Hearts appointed a member of the Famous Five as their manager.

The late great Willie Ormond.

[HFC 0-7]

Villa created that space as much as anything, i watched the game with a coach who’s got a B licence, and is about to start studying for his A licence and the breakdown of some of Villa’s play was brilliant - they worked the space brilliantly and it was the speed and precision of their play that created the gaps.

Agree mostly with that Matty, but it wasnt speed and precision that allowed Digne to just stand on the touchline in acres of space time after time to receive the ball. We were that narrow that he had soo much time to cross, it was plain to see that this was an issue but we didnt really do anything to try and combat it. Boyle was either up the field or tucked right in. I dont doubt that if we were not as narrow and tried to close Digne down Villa would have found space elsewhere but it was pretty frustrating to see a player of the quality get so much time and space to receive and cross.

Let me be clear though, there was nothing we could do to stop villa winning, they would have had answers to anything we done.

[Bridge hibs]

When they did create the space outside Digne's delivery was ridiculously good as well.
Every ball he put in was perfect.I watched Villas game v Everton and they dismantled them with relative ease. Digne in particular was impressive and even Evertons defence couldnt stop his pin point accurate crosses, if they couldnt then we had no hope

[ehf]

I think the takeaway I had was you could tell the Villa players knew where each other was going to be, they followed patterns, tactics etc and adapted as they went.

A lot of the time when we got the ball it was more like panic, improvising in the moment, having to look around to see if anyone was available etc.

You could say the same about St Mirren the other week, and it will no doubt be the same with Livingston on Saturday. Johnson is simply incapable of fielding a properly organised, well-coached team.

[One Day Soon]

I watched the game with someone who coaches football too, and used to scout for players for some decent sized English clubs, and while i agree Villa worked the ball well and their movement was magnificent, our shape was poor and i still cant work out what it actually was?

If we are going to tuck our full backs in, then surely our wide men have to fill in when Villa have the ball, they clearly didnt all night.

They probably would have created gaps if we changed the formation, but that is my point, we didnt even try, we persisted on a game plan that clearly did not work, and that is where all their goals came from, IE wide one on ones.:confused:

This is it for me. They are clearly many multi-millions better than us but we didn't make them show that. Our 'plan' allowed them to easily exploit our biggest vulnerability in defence instead of forcing them to play through us rather than the much easier route down the wings and crossing into the box. They would have played through us, they would have scored goals, we would have lost by a wide margin. But at least we would have made them work harder for it and show the multi-millions gap. It probably would have made it a messier more physical game too. As it was our approach just immediately conceded time, space and possession to them.

[jeffers]

I would agree based on what I have seen or heard too.

Nothing whatsoever to do with last night, in fact I find a lot of the reaction to that ludicrous.

More that we still have no discernible style of play and are totally incapable of stopping other teams creating opportunities to score.

And that was my point mate. I’m not having a go at guys like Donegal whose location means attending games in person isn’t possible. You do though have a different perception of things though if you live miles away and cannot make it to games. My experience isn’t that it’s only a minority of fans on this site who don’t like him and are stirring things. I don’t hear anyone defending him in person, it’s only on here it happens.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think the reason for his anger and outburst was fully on Stevenson's performance that night and the mistakes he made. His mistakes led to two very soft goals and I think thats what caused Lennon to kick off as he knew 2nd was gone at that point. Watch the highlights back and see if you've seen a worse derby performance than Stevenson that night - soft as ****.

And yet, he was our only attacking threat because Lennon changed our side that was beating everyone. Lewis got us back into the game.

[hibee-boys]

I’ve not been calling for his head as I thought he deserved the first round of SPL games as a minimum. However, his reluctance to change our defence is baffling. I’m not saying that Fish/Miller have performed any spectacularly better than Hanlon/Stevenson but for gods sake they’ve not been performing well as a unit. Change it up man, try something different, drop them occasionally and see if that creates a reaction. Try something different because we’re leaking goals that can be defended!! We could also do with playing a keeper that is prepared to defend his area properly.

[He's here!]

Hearts appointed a member of the Famous Five as their manager.

The late great Willie Ormond.

Former Hearts manager Willie McCartney signed four of the Famous Five, including Ormond, when he moved to Hibs.

[Broxburn Greens]

So much in this that I disagree with that I don't have the energy to respond to, but the Ultras group were fantastic tonight.

Drumming, singing and clapping when their team was 5-0 down. Bigger supporters of Hibs than either of us will ever be.

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Disagreeing is fine mate but your last statement I take exception to.

In my 40’s followed Hibs home and away since I was 12yo, ST holder for nigh on 20years of those except a Brief hiatus when my kids were very young. How big a Hibs fan do you want me to be?

I have no objection to B7 in principle but they need to encourage the other supporters in the ground to join with them. The songs that radiated around the ground last night generally originated in the East, they should try to do more that galvanises the whole support.

In the cold light of day, some of my original comments were perhaps harsh, probably just pissed off with a lot of things about last night, so I’ll accept that.


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[Hibbyradge]

Are Everton fans calling for Sean Dyche to be sacked?

They're bottom of the league with no points after 2 games.

And I noticed the Sky commentator was slagging off his clothes so all the ingredients are there.

[Iain G]

Disagreeing is fine mate but your last statement I take exception to.

In my 40’s followed Hibs home and away since I was 12yo, ST holder for over 20years of those except a Brie hiatus when my kids were very young. How big a Hibs fan do you want me to be?

I have no objection to B7 in principle but they need to encourage the other supporters in the ground to join with them. The songs that radiated around the ground last night generally originated in the East, they should try to do more that galvanises the whole support.

In the cold light of day, some of my original comments were perhaps harsh, probably just pissed off with a lot of things about last night, so I’ll accept that.


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Brie hiatus? That makes you the big cheese 😁

[GreenGray]

Are Everton fans calling for Sean Dyche to be sacked?

They're bottom of the league with no points after 2 games.

And I noticed the Sky commentator was slagging off his clothes so all the ingredients are there.

Some probably are yes.

Not really comparable situations mind you.


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[Broxburn Greens]

Brie hiatus? That makes you the big cheese [emoji16]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] edited now as I’ve actually counted the number of seasons as a ST holder and think it’s 18 or 19 in years in reality.


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[Iain G]

I watched Villas game v Everton and they dismantled them with relative ease. Digne in particular was impressive and even Evertons defence couldnt stop his pin point accurate crosses, if they couldnt then we had no hope

We could have tried at least! Close him down, force him to play it quickly or turn and play it back. We missed Cadden out wide who could have done this for us.

Oh and FWIW I watched the game by myself and have some Scottish Swimming Certificates and I could see the gaps!

[Since452]

I was disappointed with our defending last night but watching the goals back, wow. The crosses were fantastic and the headers on point. Just a step up in class i'm afraid. They don't need second balls. Cross, goal, goodnight. Absolutely pinpoint. The are a level or three up from even Celtic.

[WhileTheChief..]

To those of you still backing LJ....

How would you feel if LJ decides to accept a job offer from another club and leaves of his own accord?

Will any of you be upset / gutted to see him go?

Do any of you really, really like him as our manager and think he can take us to where we want to be?

Do you think he's the best man for the job?

What would be your number 1 reason for sticking with him?

[Hibbyradge]

Some probably are yes.

Not really comparable situations mind you.


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Why not? There's a lot to compare.

Lost 4-0 to Villa on top of the stuff I've already mentioned and their squad is worth many millions more than ours.

Anyway, it was just a throwaway comment. Mostly irrelevant to this discussion. 👍

[GreenGray]

Why not? There's a lot to compare.

Lost 4-0 to Villa on top of the stuff I've already mentioned and their squad is worth many millions more than ours.

Anyway, it was just a throwaway comment. Mostly irrelevant to this discussion. [emoji106]

Dyche had half of last season, some how managed to keep them up. Johnson had a whole season.

Johnson has been well backed for our standards and any Everton fan will tell you that their dealings in the transfer market have been awful.




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[Hibbyradge]

To those of you still backing LJ....

How would you feel if LJ decides to accept a job offer from another club and leaves of his own accord?

Will any of you be upset / gutted to see him go?

Do any of you really, really like him as our manager and think he can take us to where we want to be?

Do you think he's the best man for the job?

What would be your number 1 reason for sticking with him?

1. Surprised
2. Not really
3. I'm not sure
4. No. He's at Man City
5. It's too early in the season to judge him.

[WeeRussell]

1. Surprised
2. Not really
3. I'm not sure
4. No. He's at Man City
5. It's too early in the season to judge him.

+1 (albeit not sure I’d describe myself as “backing him”)

[B.H.F.C]

I think the takeaway I had was you could tell the Villa players knew where each other was going to be, they followed patterns, tactics etc and adapted as they went.

A lot of the time when we got the ball it was more like panic, improvising in the moment, having to look around to see if anyone was available etc.

This is bang on but it’s not only the case last night.

We should have a bit of structure, a bit of organisation and a way of playing relative to our level. We don’t have that.

The team chops and changes. The system chops and changes. Then in to any given game it generally changes again at or by half time. It’s no wonder the players don’t really look like they know their jobs.

We’ll win games here and there through a good individual attacking performance from the likes of Youan. But we won’t get on a consistent run and the discontent will continue to grow. It’s a matter now of how much we let it grow and how bad we let it get before we act IMO. My guess is probably a bit too long and the season will be a write off by the time we do.

[LaMotta]

Are Everton fans calling for Sean Dyche to be sacked?

They're bottom of the league with no points after 2 games.

And I noticed the Sky commentator was slagging off his clothes so all the ingredients are there.

What were they saying about Dyches clothes??

[WhileTheChief..]

1. Surprised
2. Not really
3. I'm not sure
4. No. He's at Man City
5. It's too early in the season to judge him.

If he does leave, do you think we might be able to find someone better who would come to the club? ( I'll take it as a given that we won't get Pep or Jurgen or the likes).

My own view is that we could easily do so and I'd be surprised if you don't.

Let's try it is all i'm getting at. You'll prob feel similarly in a few months anyways :greengrin

[WeeRussell]

What were they saying about Dyches clothes??

Is he still wearing that “same **** jacket”? 😁

[Posh Swanny]

I was disappointed with our defending last night but watching the goals back, wow. The crosses were fantastic and the headers on point. Just a step up in class i'm afraid. They don't need second balls. Cross, goal, goodnight. Absolutely pinpoint. The are a level or three up from even Celtic.

I'd agree for goals 1 and 4.

Goals 2 and 3 were as bad as you'll see when it comes to back post defending. Campbell trying to wrestle with a top class England international striker, Obita watching Bailey stroll in front of him. Both goals would have been avoided with basic defending - beat the man to the ball and head it away for a corner. I'd have used both goals as teaching points for my 2014s team.

[Donegal Hibby]

The cross was great but you'd expect that when you give the boy that much time and space to make it. Then to continue to give him that much time and space to put in multiple more crosses that they score another couple from is just god awful. After the first Boyle should have been told to be tracking back with him, if he was and he didn't do it then he should have been hooked for someone who would.

The cross was great tbh from I think was Lucas Digne who cost £25 million as was the finish from Ollie Watkins who cost £33 million . I watched the Aston Villa v Everton game and villa totally dismantled Everton in that one as well .Villa had the same amount of shots on target against the toffees as they did against us too (7). We were never going to compete against a team like that tbh .
https://youtu.be/Y1xpqP_5g_w?si=1vLVHtgZ7KJYIqGg

[KWJ]

To those of you still backing LJ....

How would you feel if LJ decides to accept a job offer from another club and leaves of his own accord?

Will any of you be upset / gutted to see him go?

Do any of you really, really like him as our manager and think he can take us to where we want to be?

Do you think he's the best man for the job?

What would be your number 1 reason for sticking with him?

I'm indifferent towards LJ and I was surprised we gave him a 4 year contract to begin with as that makes him much harder to sack. If he joins another team then they take his contract and maybe even give us a fee. If we sack him we're probably paying for 4 managers at once all of which will be of a similar level.

[hibsforeurope]

Last night was always going to be tough there's no doubt about that.

But the goals we conceded are very similar to the goals we have conceded every game this season, silly mistakes, not stopping the ball coming in from out wide, poor marking in the box.

We just aren't learning and adapting.

The players are at fault for the individual errors on the park but having to change tactics, styles each game can't be easy. St Mirren looked well drilled and knew exactly how they were to play. it looked as if they were used to it. we never seem comfortable or relaxed during games, for me this is a contributing factor to the players making so many errors.

I make no secret that i don't like LJ and never have, i thought he was the wrong appointment at the time an nothing has changed. if results are there then fair enough but they just aren't (not in enough quantity).

It's time to change and if that means kensell having to admit he made another poor appointment then so be it. Hibs comes first and if anyone not performing they need to be replaced, no matter who that may be.

[jonny_hfc]

Can't see us having any consistency with LJ at the helm. It's been the story of his tenure so far and that will only continue. Nothing to really get excited about with him in charge unfortunately: we're a soft touch, defence is porous, and we blow hot and cold at the top of the pitch. Mid table beckons if he stays in charge.

[KWJ]

The cross was great tbh from I think was Lucas Digne who cost £25 million as was the finish from Ollie Watkins who cost £33 million . I watched the Aston Villa v Everton game and villa totally dismantled Everton in that one as well .Villa had the same amount of shots on target against the toffees a us too (7). We were never going to compete against a team like that tbh .
https://youtu.be/Y1xpqP_5g_w?si=1vLVHtgZ7KJYIqGg

Some lesson for all the players but especially someone like Miller who hasn't played many games for us and was in the A League last year. His head will have been spinning the whole game.