Johnson Out

[Billy Whizz]

Hibs boss Lee Johnson plans to turn his phone off to avoid late transfer bids for 'perfect' Josh Campbell (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/hibs-boss-lee-johnson-plans-to-turn-his-phone-off-to-avoid-late-transfer-bids-for-perfect-josh-campbell/ar-AA16QnzO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=11389d86ead64cc798f19777968ad678)


so if an agent calls him with the possibility of a star player coming in at the 11th hour the agent won't get through cause Johnson will have his phone off :eek:
They’ll be in Dingwall, far too late apart from anything else, to go through

[heretoday]

Maybe now this thread can be viewed as the knee jerk it was. Our own fans on here calling LJ a gimp etc. Horrendous.

We have only been let down by bad finishing and sharpening this up, getting key players back and shedding the dead wood is moving us forward.


KTF and back LJ!

Too right!

[Since452]

I think now his feet are fully under the table he's seeing the squad was bloated and and a lot of players needed shipped out. We had far too many players with not enough quality. One result doesn't change the season but we've been threatening to batter a team all season. Just strange that it didn't happen to that extent when we were regularly having 25 plus shots at goal.

In fairness to him he did say we'd get a few doings as well as hand a few out. That has been accurate. We are far from perfect, but i wouldn't say we've been a bad watch barring a couple of games. Even when Aberdeen pumped us we were exceptional until the end of the first half. I think he should get more time. There are positive signs there for me.

[McGruber]

Maybe now this thread can be viewed as the knee jerk it was. Our own fans on here calling LJ a gimp etc. Horrendous.

We have only been let down by bad finishing and sharpening this up, getting key players back and shedding the dead wood is moving us forward.

KTF and back LJ!

Nah sorry. 9 loses in 11. Out both cups first time asking and skelped twice by Hearts in a week 6-0 aggregate. That is a sackable position and is not knee jerk.

Knee jerk would be to proclaim all is fine humping an Aberdeen team that would have lost to anyone - Darvel included. LJ is exceptionally lucky to have still been in post for the Aberdeen game. He shouldn't have been.

All hoping this is the turning point and both LJ and Hibs kick on - that there is a marked improvement in recruitment and results.

Time will tell - especially what happens over the next 4 games. Do we build from here or not, we'll see.

The personal insults on LJ or anyone else like you rightly say are shocking and have no place. Criticism of the job fair game... and indeed praise!

[Trinity Hibee]

Nah sorry. 9 loses in 11. Out both cups first time asking and skelped twice by Hearts in a week 6-0 aggregate. That is a sackable position and is not knee jerk.

Knee jerk would be to proclaim all is fine humping an Aberdeen team that would have lost to anyone - Darvel included. LJ is exceptionally lucky to have still been in post for the Aberdeen game. He shouldn't have been.

All hoping this is the turning point and both LJ and Hibs kick on - that there is a marked improvement in recruitment and results.

Time will tell - especially what happens over the next 4 games. Do we build from here or not, we'll see.

The personal insults on LJ or anyone else like you rightly say are shocking and have no place. Criticism of the job fair game... and indeed praise!

Couldn’t have said it better myself

[Vini1875]

Nah sorry. 9 loses in 11. Out both cups first time asking and skelped twice by Hearts in a week 6-0 aggregate. That is a sackable position and is not knee jerk.

Knee jerk would be to proclaim all is fine humping an Aberdeen team that would have lost to anyone - Darvel included. LJ is exceptionally lucky to have still been in post for the Aberdeen game. He shouldn't have been.

All hoping this is the turning point and both LJ and Hibs kick on - that there is a marked improvement in recruitment and results.

Time will tell - especially what happens over the next 4 games. Do we build from here or not, we'll see.

The personal insults on LJ or anyone else like you rightly say are shocking and have no place. Criticism of the job fair game... and indeed praise!

Exactly. I was delighted to get the result on Saturday, but I still have doubts. I hope I'm wrong and the players start showing the ability they have and that they can combine as a team. Fair enough he gets to the end of the season and hopefully brings through young players with more than 10 or 15 minutes per game, but this team has to be better than it's showing for most of this season.

One swallow and all that.

[Callum_62]

Exactly. I was delighted to get the result on Saturday, but I still have doubts. I hope I'm wrong and the players start showing the ability they have and that they can combine as a team. Fair enough he gets to the end of the season and hopefully brings through young players with more than 10 or 15 minutes per game, but this team has to be better than it's showing for most of this season.

One swallow and all that.Our form has definately markedly improved

We need to keep that going but we are sitting 4th in the form table (6 games) so we are gong in the right direction

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[Callum_62]

Hibs boss Lee Johnson plans to turn his phone off to avoid late transfer bids for 'perfect' Josh Campbell (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/hibs-boss-lee-johnson-plans-to-turn-his-phone-off-to-avoid-late-transfer-bids-for-perfect-josh-campbell/ar-AA16QnzO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=11389d86ead64cc798f19777968ad678)


so if an agent calls him with the possibility of a star player coming in at the 11th hour the agent won't get through cause Johnson will have his phone off :eek:Yeah! Johnson out!

Disgrace!

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[Crunchie]

I think now his feet are fully under the table he's seeing the squad was bloated and and a lot of players needed shipped out. We had far too many players with not enough quality. One result doesn't change the season but we've been threatening to batter a team all season. Just strange that it didn't happen to that extent when we were regularly having 25 plus shots at goal.

In fairness to him he did say we'd get a few doings as well as hand a few out. That has been accurate. We are far from perfect, but i wouldn't say we've been a bad watch barring a couple of games. Even when Aberdeen pumped us we were exceptional until the end of the first half. I think he should get more time. There are positive signs there for me.
Very well put :agree:

[Basildon Hibs]

Maybe now this thread can be viewed as the knee jerk it was. Our own fans on here calling LJ a gimp etc. Horrendous.

We have only been let down by bad finishing and sharpening this up, getting key players back and shedding the dead wood is moving us forward.

KTF and back LJ!

One Swallow doesn't make a Summer.

A freak result over one of the worst Dons teams in recent years is just papering over the cracks...😏

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ian Gordon will take the calls 🫣

is he even still around :greengrin


I think he was joking... 🤣

aww naw :shocked:


They’ll be in Dingwall, far too late apart from anything else, to go through

maybe do some business on the bus on the way back down :greengrin but he needs to leave that phone on :)

[hibsbollah]

Nah sorry. 9 loses in 11!

It’s actually 7 losses in our last 11.
Or W3 D1 L7.
You say ‘time will tell’ but then reference our run of results going back to pre Halloween, last time we played the sheep. There were only 3 players from that starting eleven playing on Saturday, unbelievably. So much turbulence and change and injury and recovery from injury going on.

You could look at it more positively and say we’re 7 points from our last 9 in 3 league games against Aberdeen Dundee Utd and Motherwell, scoring 11 goals conceding 4 :greengrin

[heretoday]

My only criticism of LJ was that he looked as though he spent more time in front of the mirror than on the training pitch.

But he's won me over the smooth-talking southerner.

[McGruber]

It’s actually 7 losses in our last 11.
Or W3 D1 L7.
You say ‘time will tell’ but then reference our run of results going back to pre Halloween, last time we played the sheep. There were only 3 players from that starting eleven playing on Saturday, unbelievably. So much turbulence and change and injury and recovery from injury going on.

You could look at it more positively and say we’re 7 points from our last 9 in 3 league games against Aberdeen Dundee Utd and Motherwell, scoring 11 goals conceding 4 :greengrin

My point was that there was no knee jerk reaction.

7 points from 9 in last 3 league games is very good regardless of circumstance. Aberdeen ran the white flag up but you can only play who is infront of you and as awful as they were it was a tremendous result and performance.

Hopefully this is us turned the corner but at this point, on the back of 2 gubbings by Hearts the positivity meter is still low.

Time will tell, next couple games will be a better barometer than Aberdeen. Go string some wins together and I'll be on board the positivity train.

After the Tynecastle game I reckoned Johnson had to certainly win the next one (Motherwell) and especially the cup game. We were skelped again in the cup on the back of another insiped home draw v United. LJ has been extremely fortunate to keep post.

I guess the positivity here is regardless of the merits or otherwise of him going the board showed a bit backbone in backing their man. If they are proven right I'll be delighted.

7 out of 9 now in the league and no point looking back- onwards and upwards... hopefully.

[One Day Soon]

Very, very far from kneejerk.

Humped twice by Hearts, abjectly out of both cups in the first round, played quite a lot of atrocious football and we were on an appalling run. The high press game promised yet to emerge and a squad that looks like it was assembled using an electric blender and a panini album of players most likely to show promise but not make it.

Great result against Aberdeen and a good performance to boot with some like Youan beginning to show their potential. Now let's see it week in and week out against teams that aren't in a death spiral. And let's see the signings we need to strengthen the squad - not simply trying to 'cover' for what we've lost. At the moment by my reckoning we need at least two defenders, a midfield playmaker, almost certainly a replacement for Nisbet now or later and a captain. We need a captain.

Let's see how results go and what happens in the remainder of the window.

[hibsbollah]

My point was that there was no knee jerk reaction.

7 points from 9 in last 3 league games is very good regardless of circumstance. Aberdeen ran the white flag up but you can only play who is infront of you and as awful as they were it was a tremendous result and performance.

Hopefully this is us turned the corner but at this point, on the back of 2 gubbings by Hearts the positivity meter is still low.

Time will tell, next couple games will be a better barometer than Aberdeen. Go string some wins together and I'll be on board the positivity train.

After the Tynecastle game I reckoned Johnson had to certainly win the next one (Motherwell) and especially the cup game. We were skelped again in the cup on the back of another insiped home draw v United. LJ has been extremely fortunate to keep post.

I guess the positivity here is regardless of the merits or otherwise of him going the board showed a bit backbone in backing their man. If they are proven right I'll be delighted.

7 out of 9 now in the league and no point looking back- onwards and upwards... hopefully.

It’s a fair point you’re making in that post. I think some are a little confused how to process a 6-0 goal fun fest mentally, I know I am.

I still think there’s been a lack of focus on how shockingly unlucky we’ve been with bad injuries to key players by normal standards, and having only 3 players remaining from the last round of fixtures less than three months ago tells it own story. (And those three are all players that haven’t been free of criticism-Hanlon Newell and Cadden). It doesn’t excuse some of the mismanagement off the park but it should have been given more airtime as a reason for some of the mistakes on it, IMO.

[Since452]

We need to follow up Saturday's excellent result with a win tomorrow night. Make no mistake, Saturday was impressive. We were also under massive pressure and we didn't just beat Aberdeen, we destroyed them. We've all seen us having fantastic results and losing the very next game. Its a tricky game with Ross County's attack clicking since Brophy joined. We need to keep the momentum going.

[JimBHibees]

It’s actually 7 losses in our last 11.
Or W3 D1 L7.
You say ‘time will tell’ but then reference our run of results going back to pre Halloween, last time we played the sheep. There were only 3 players from that starting eleven playing on Saturday, unbelievably. So much turbulence and change and injury and recovery from injury going on.

You could look at it more positively and say we’re 7 points from our last 9 in 3 league games against Aberdeen Dundee Utd and Motherwell, scoring 11 goals conceding 4 :greengrin

4 starters from previous Sheep game. Marshall Cadden Hanlon Newell

[SHODAN]

Really need to go undefeated in our next four or the pressure will be on again.

[JimBHibees]

Really need to go undefeated in our next four or the pressure will be on again.

Depends how many of them we win

[hibsbollah]

4 starters from previous Sheep game. Marshall Cadden Hanlon Newell

I was only counting outfield players :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

Really need to go undefeated in our next four or the pressure will be on again.

I'll take 3 wins and a loss right now.

[WeeRussell]

I'll take 3 wins and a loss right now.

9 points would be huge. Puts us in a totally different place to where we were after the cup defeat.

[blackpoolhibs]

Nah sorry. 9 loses in 11. Out both cups first time asking and skelped twice by Hearts in a week 6-0 aggregate. That is a sackable position and is not knee jerk.

Knee jerk would be to proclaim all is fine humping an Aberdeen team that would have lost to anyone - Darvel included. LJ is exceptionally lucky to have still been in post for the Aberdeen game. He shouldn't have been.

All hoping this is the turning point and both LJ and Hibs kick on - that there is a marked improvement in recruitment and results.

Time will tell - especially what happens over the next 4 games. Do we build from here or not, we'll see.

The personal insults on LJ or anyone else like you rightly say are shocking and have no place. Criticism of the job fair game... and indeed praise!

:top marksHopefully saturday was the turning point, but all the critisism previous to that was earnt by him and the hopeless performances all season under his tenure.

[MWHIBBIES]

:top marksHopefully saturday was the turning point, but all the critisism previous to that was earnt by him and the hopeless performances all season under his tenure.

We certainly haven't been hopeless all season. About 50/50 as results suggest. Some good wins, some brutal defeats. Some really worrying signs and some good ones.

I'd we'd had Boyle, Mcgeady and Nisbet all season, we'd probably be 4th.

[Since452]

We certainly haven't been hopeless all season. About 50/50 as results suggest. Some good wins, some brutal defeats. Some really worrying signs and some good ones.

I'd we'd had Boyle, Mcgeady and Nisbet all season, we'd probably be 4th.

Hibs 3 - 1 Aberdeen
Ross County 0 - 2 Hibs
Hibs 3 - 0 St Mirren
Hibs 4 - 0 Livi
Hibs 6 - 0 Aberdeen

Those are five games off the top of my head we were excellent in. We were very good first half at Ibrox and Pittodrie too before falling apart second half.

There have been bad defeats too but the games above are better than anything we saw under our previous manager and for a fair spell the one before that.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hibs 3 - 1 Aberdeen
Ross County 0 - 2 Hibs
Hibs 3 - 0 St Mirren
Hibs 4 - 0 Livi
Hibs 6 - 0 Aberdeen

Those are five games off the top of my head we were excellent in. We were very good first half at Ibrox and Pittodrie too before falling apart second half.

There have been bad defeats too but the games above are better than anything we saw under our previous manager and for a fair spell the one before that.

Certainly played well against Kilmarnock at home too. Should've been an absolute pumping.

[Crunchie]

Certainly played well against Kilmarnock at home too. Should've been an absolute pumping.
And St Johnstone at ER until Magennis sending off. Played some lovely stuff.

[One Day Soon]

We certainly haven't been hopeless all season. About 50/50 as results suggest. Some good wins, some brutal defeats. Some really worrying signs and some good ones.

I'd we'd had Boyle, Mcgeady and Nisbet all season, we'd probably be 4th.


He's meant to be gradually improving us, not having us yo yoi-ing from 5hit to good to 5hit. He's earned the criticism he's had, that really crap run didn't come at the start of the season while he was sorting things out, it came later on when we should have been seeing the shape and rhythm he wanted and the high-press high-pace game he promised.

I have nothing against him and I'd love him to succeed but so far he's shown very little sign of that. Crashing out of one cup at the very beginning of the season and then the other one three quarters of the way through - abjectly in both cases - is not a good sign.

[greenlex]

He's meant to be gradually improving us, not having us yo yoi-ing from 5hit to good to 5hit. He's earned the criticism he's had, that really crap run didn't come at the start of the season while he was sorting things out, it came later on when we should have been seeing the shape and rhythm he wanted and the high-press high-pace game he promised.

I have nothing against him and I'd love him to succeed but so far he's shown very little sign of that. Crashing out of one cup at the very beginning of the season and then the other one three quarters of the way through - abjectly in both cases - is not a good sign.
I’m no fan but to say the Scottish cup exit was abject is a little bit harsh.

[basehibby]

I’m no fan but to say the Scottish cup exit was abject is a little bit harsh.

True - very good performance that was not much different to the one against Aberdeen as it goes. Abject result though - partly due to the seemingly bottomless supply of spawniness that the Yams somehow call upon in the Derbies. On the other hand it showed up our shortcomings vividly in front of both goals and that LJ has a way to go before he can consider himself a real success at Hibs.

[One Day Soon]

True - very good performance that was not much different to the one against Aberdeen as it goes. Abject result though - partly due to the seemingly bottomless supply of spawniness that the Yams somehow call upon in the Derbies. On the other hand it showed up our shortcomings vividly in front of both goals and that LJ has a way to go before he can consider himself a real success at Hibs.

Fair. You get nowt for performing well in a match you lose.

[CapitalGreen]

Fair. You get nowt for performing well in a match you lose.

You don’t get anything but you were talking about wanting to see gradual improvement so the performance shouldn’t just be ignored because it doesn’t suit your narrative.

[One Day Soon]

You don’t get anything but you were talking about wanting to see gradual improvement so the performance shouldn’t just be ignored because it doesn’t suit your narrative.

That isn't gradual improvement, it's the yo yo-ing I described. We've played well and then reverted to utter dross several times this season, that isn't gradual improvement. And it's not my 'narrative', its Lee Johnson's record.

[superfurryhibby]

We certainly haven't been hopeless all season. About 50/50 as results suggest. Some good wins, some brutal defeats. Some really worrying signs and some good ones.

I'd we'd had Boyle, Mcgeady and Nisbet all season, we'd probably be 4th.

Tend to agree with this. I've enjoyed most of the games I've been to this season, and even recognise we played decent (but clearly not decent enough) in defeat to Dundee Utd at Tannadice and v Hearts in the cup.

The fit trio you mention, plus a fit Magennis. Our season might have been much much better. Of course some really poor games too, mostly away from ER (I wasn't at the 2-2 match v UTd).

[jacomo]

He's meant to be gradually improving us, not having us yo yoi-ing from 5hit to good to 5hit. He's earned the criticism he's had, that really crap run didn't come at the start of the season while he was sorting things out, it came later on when we should have been seeing the shape and rhythm he wanted and the high-press high-pace game he promised.

I have nothing against him and I'd love him to succeed but so far he's shown very little sign of that. Crashing out of one cup at the very beginning of the season and then the other one three quarters of the way through - abjectly in both cases - is not a good sign.


As you say above tho, gradual improvement doesn’t seem to be Lee’s MO.

I can live with that - to an extent, Mowbray’s team was the same, with great performances interspersed with poor ones. In this league we should definitely have more good days than bad though.

[One Day Soon]

As you say above tho, gradual improvement doesn’t seem to be Lee’s MO.

I can live with that - to an extent, Mowbray’s team was the same, with great performances interspersed with poor ones. In this league we should definitely have more good days than bad though.


I'm an angry man Jacomo. I'm an angry, angry man.

[superfurryhibby]

That isn't gradual improvement, it's the yo yo-ing I described. We've played well and then reverted to utter dross several times this season, that isn't gradual improvement. And it's not my 'narrative', its Lee Johnson's record.

Mistakes have been made around recruitment and hopefully the club will have (surely) learned that our manager needs more quality. It's been a very mixed season but lets just see how the rest of it pans out. Johnson has shown he can put out a side that plays decent football, shame he hasn't had the players his side needed. There definitely a lot to play for and we are capable of finishing fourth, tonight's a serious test of that ambition.

[One Day Soon]

Mistakes have been made around recruitment and hopefully the club will have (surely) learned that our manager needs more quality. It's been a very mixed season but lets just see how the rest of it pans out. Johnson has shown he can put out a side that plays decent football, shame he hasn't had the players his side needed. There definitely a lot to play for and we are capable of finishing fourth, tonight's a serious test of that ambition.

It is. For the manager during 90 minutes of football and for the club during 345 remaining minutes of transfer window.

[007]

Johnson in!

[Keith_M]

Taxi for Johnson..



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[The Modfather]

Long way to go to be convinced one way or the other. However he’s slowly building up credit in the bank. Still more to clear out, but an encouraging start in the January window. A sensible key signing in Jeggo, integrate more of the youngsters and I might start to dip my toe into going to games again in the near future.

[Ozyhibby]

Long way to go to be convinced one way or the other. However he’s slowly building up credit in the bank. Still more to clear out, but an encouraging start in the January window. A sensible key signing in Jeggo, integrate more of the youngsters and I might start to dip my toe into going to games again in the near future.

Jeggo is what might just save him. If he carries on doing what he’s doing then there are some decent players at the club. To be able to show that though, stability in midfield is needed.


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[Mr Grieves]

Cannot complain about our current league form, Johnson has bought himself time.

[Smartie]

Taxi for Johnson..



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Elios again is it Mr Johnson?

[Stuarty1875]

Credit to LJ :applause:

[JimBHibees]

Yep time to get behind him. Should definitely be staying until end of the season minimum

[Keith_M]

Elios again is it Mr Johnson?


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[dp00]

Are we seeing the better side when he gets to choose the players he signs ?


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[hibsbollah]

Bringing on Henderson had me swearing. He’s done **** all for months. But then he did :greengrin
Fair play LJ.

[Donegal Hibby]

Bringing on Henderson had me swearing. He’s done **** all for months. But then he did :greengrin
Fair play LJ.
Had me swearing too 😂 though he definitely made a difference so good call by LJ today . With all the injuries we been having it was a great result and we are in the mix for fourth spot . Well done LJ 👏

[Alfred E Newman]

I think it shows the wisdom of not reacting to fan pressure and pulling the trigger on Johnson after the Hearts game.
It may come eventually but hopefully he has weathered the storm and there is certainly no doubt the players in what is now a severely depleted squad are working hard for him.

[JohnM1875]

Credit to LJ :applause:

Aye fair enough, credit where it's due. I was screaming for him to get punted after the second derby loss.

But to be fair could easily be 9 points since that bar a horrific VAR decision.

All this with a depleted squad as well, probably about half a squad out injured you could argue would start.

[JamesHFC]

Been doing pretty well since the 'deadwood' have been removed 🤔

[Crunchie]

Been doing pretty well since the 'deadwood' have been removed 🤔
I wonder if those in the know can tell us if the dressing room harmony has been restored.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think it shows the wisdom of not reacting to fan pressure and pulling the trigger on Johnson after the Hearts game.
It may come eventually but hopefully he has weathered the storm and there is certainly no doubt the players in what is now a severely depleted squad are working hard for him.
I think in most cases it's worthwhile giving the manager time specially in Johnson case were he's taken over a team in decline though fans in general demand instant success which most managers can't give as they need time to change things at a club . There's normally no quick fix or magic wand .

It may still not workout for LJ as the squad is severally depleted with our best players injured Magennis, Boyle , rocky , Nisbet etc etc though there looks to be a good spirit in the squad and they are all fighting for one another which is credit to the manager and his staff . Hopefully we get 4th spot and the manager gets to rebuild the squad in the summer. 5 unbeaten , 3 wins ,2 draws , goals for 13 , goals against 5 . Not been too bad the last few weeks league wise :greengrin .

[hibbydog]

I think it shows the wisdom of not reacting to fan pressure and pulling the trigger on Johnson after the Hearts game.
It may come eventually but hopefully he has weathered the storm and there is certainly no doubt the players in what is now a severely depleted squad are working hard for him.

I agree completely

Johnson is (hopefully) in the process of turning it round. There are loads of reasons that he’s a dumpling but we’ve decided to hopefully create some stability and let him learn his job.

It’s an approach we’ve needed for years and I’m optimistic that it will work out

[Just_Jimmy]

I'm please with the fact we pumped Aberdeen, got a point and then won today. However, I think that's the basic we should expect from Hibs. It doesn't make up from early exits from both cups and two doings from hearts in the process.

So far "streaky" Lee has been correct.

Keep winning and I might come round to the idea of him staying.

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[Hibees1973]

Still not sure on him.

Top 6 still in the balance given we still have to play Celtic, Rangers & Hearts before the split.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

There's such a fine line where we are the now. 4th place is certainly achievable, relegation i'd say is now very unlikely but we could still finish bottom half given how close the league is. I'd give him next season. A summer to get rid of deadwood and bring in his own players.

[Donegal Hibby]

Still not sure on him.

Top 6 still in the balance given we still have to play Celtic, Rangers & Hearts before the split.
I think we will make top 6 . Think we have a better team than Livingston, Aberdeen and st mirren who we are fighting it out for that 4th spot .Both Aberdeen and st mirren have to play Celtic, sevco & Hertz as well . Livingston have only sevco to play but have st mirren,Dundee Utd and Aberdeen away and are no world beaters and can drop points to anyone . We have both sevco and hertz at home so I wont be dismissing us in them two games as I always feel at home we have a good chance of getting a result . We are right in the mix for that 4th spot.

[CallumLaidlaw]

I think we will make top 6 . Think we have a better team than Livingston, Aberdeen and st mirren who we are fighting it out for that 4th spot .Both Aberdeen and st mirren have to play Celtic, sevco & Hertz as well . Livingston have only sevco to play but have st mirren,Dundee Utd and Aberdeen away and are no world beaters and can drop points to anyone . We have both sevco and hertz at home so I wont be dismissing us in them two games as I always feel at home we have a good chance of getting a result . We are right in the mix for that 4th spot.

Agree totally.

Some folk have made theirs mind up and even after a good week of results people are “but, but” -ing their way through the reasons he’s not the right man.

Just take each game as it comes and enjoy what’s been a decent 8 days


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[Carheenlea]

He’s moved out a lot the over inflated, average at best, squad, maybe moved on some problematic personalities, brought in two/three ready-to-play additions and the players are digging in and working hard.

We can safely put any talk of relegation to bed (which we all sort of hoped would be the case but for a couple of weeks the threat of being dragged in couldn’t be ignored). 4th is the realistic target and had it not been for getting dealt some real bad hands from VAR we’d be right in amongst it for 3rd.

We’re getting there, albeit slowly. I think we’ll enjoy a strong second half of season and see further improvement.

[JimBHibees]

I think it shows the wisdom of not reacting to fan pressure and pulling the trigger on Johnson after the Hearts game.
It may come eventually but hopefully he has weathered the storm and there is certainly no doubt the players in what is now a severely depleted squad are working hard for him.

Agree totally. To me has more than earned the chance to see out the season. Been very good in the last week.

[JimBHibees]

Agree totally.

Some folk have made theirs mind up and even after a good week of results people are “but, but” -ing their way through the reasons he’s not the right man.

Just take each game as it comes and enjoy what’s been a decent 8 days


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Totally agree been a very decent week should have been 9 out of 9 with three clean sheets.

[B.H.F.C]

Keep getting results, folk will be happy.

[Carheenlea]

Has he ever worn the same match-day outfit twice in a row? Tracksuit and training jacket today.

We’ve seen everything from Man from Delmonte to Man at C&A from what must be a very expansive wardrobe!

[Donegal Hibby]

Agree totally.

Some folk have made theirs mind up and even after a good week of results people are “but, but” -ing their way through the reasons he’s not the right man.

Just take each game as it comes and enjoy what’s been a decent 8 days


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Exactly :agree::thumbsup:

[GreenGray]

His comments midweek were certainly interesting. When he said our squad was too big he was having to ask some players to train later, now with a smaller squad he feels like he has a better squad morale.

Hopefully he can put the rumours about a poor squad atmosphere to bed, and kick on.

Personally, I don’t like him but if he keeps this run going I can’t argue with keeping him and I’d be more than happy to be proven wrong.


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[Since452]

In

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

I think we will make top 6 . Think we have a better team than Livingston, Aberdeen and st mirren who we are fighting it out for that 4th spot .Both Aberdeen and st mirren have to play Celtic, sevco & Hertz as well . Livingston have only sevco to play but have st mirren,Dundee Utd and Aberdeen away and are no world beaters and can drop points to anyone . We have both sevco and hertz at home so I wont be dismissing us in them two games as I always feel at home we have a good chance of getting a result . We are right in the mix for that 4th spot.

Next game week we're at home to Killie, Livi play Huns and Sheep away to Celtc, so really should be taking advantage. March will be a tough month though. Away to Livi and Celtc, home to Huns. If we're 4th/5th after those games I'd be happy.

[JamesHFC]

Next game week we're at home to Killie, Livi play Huns and Sheep away to Celtc, so really should be taking advantage. March will be a tough month though. Away to Livi and Celtc, home to Huns. If we're 4th/5th after those games I'd be happy.

Livi game is a must win if we want 4th imo.

[SideBurns]

As LJ said in his interview, if it wasn't for the goal on Tuesday that shouldn't have stood we'd have had 3 clean sheets in a row, when on the bad run we were conceding lots of goals. Suggests the back 4 (especially the centre-back pairing) settling down and playing with confidence.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Livi game is a must win if we want 4th imo.

Certainly a must not lose game. Realistically what do we expect from those 3 games? 3 or 4 points from 9 would be a great return.

[matty_f]

It's definitely looking better and the only caveat I really have is that we've been here before with Lee, a four game winning run followed by a horrendous run, so I think we still need to wait and see.

I do think he should get the time, though and that recent results should have put any talk of getting sacked to bed.

[Hibbyradge]

Long way to go to be convinced one way or the other. However he’s slowly building up credit in the bank. Still more to clear out, but an encouraging start in the January window. A sensible key signing in Jeggo, integrate more of the youngsters and I might start to dip my toe into going to games again in the near future.

Glory hunter! :duck:

[SideBurns]

It's definitely looking better and the only caveat I really have is that we've been here before with Lee, a four game winning run followed by a horrendous run, so I think we still need to wait and see.

I do think he should get the time, though and that recent results should have put any talk of getting sacked to bed.

Was that not his reputation before he arrived (hence the 'Streaky Lee' nickname)? It's far from ideal obviously, but maybe we shouldn't be surprised that we go on these good & bad runs. No idea why that should be the case with a manager mind, seems strange!

[McGruber]

Livi game is a must win if we want 4th imo.

Agreed but only if we beat Killie, therefore the Killie game is also must win for 4th. Lets keep the focus on the next game

[Since452]

Amazing what a few decent results can do. The league is so tight this season. Put a wee run together and 4th looks very achievable. 3 wins in our last 5 league games and 11 points is a good return in anyone's book and that's with being robbed of a win at Ross County. Unfortunately we're only a defeat away from people wanting him out again. Seems to be the way it is these days.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's definitely looking better and the only caveat I really have is that we've been here before with Lee, a four game winning run followed by a horrendous run, so I think we still need to wait and see.

I do think he should get the time, though and that recent results should have put any talk of getting sacked to bed.

Agreed. I'm not yet convinced, but he's started to win points now. I would have sacked him after the defeat at Tynecastle, but Johnson is currently re-paying the board's faith in him and deserves a chance to demonstrate he has turned things around. It makes no sense to sack a winning manager, and I'm glad he's currently proving me wrong.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Livi game is a must win if we want 4th imo.

Every game is a must win, losing games at the rate we have been in recent years isn’t acceptable and we need to make that known to the board, players and manager. Treating certain games as being less important is a bad habit.

However, LJ looks to have turned it around a bit and he has my support.


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[J-C]

It's definitely looking better and the only caveat I really have is that we've been here before with Lee, a four game winning run followed by a horrendous run, so I think we still need to wait and see.

I do think he should get the time, though and that recent results should have put any talk of getting sacked to bed.
I do wonder if the bloated squad and a few disgruntled players didn't help the cause, get rid of a good few and the squad harmony increases.

[eastmainsmsh]

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fleetwood-towns-former-celtic-man-on-hibernian-radar/

Surely not lol

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fleetwood-towns-former-celtic-man-on-hibernian-radar/

Surely not lol

Rubbish, don’t believe a word of that


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[Broxburn Greens]

Rubbish, don’t believe a word of that


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Why would Hibs have anyone on their managerial radar?

Barring something truly disastrous happening it’s clear LJ currently has the support of the board and with the run of 5 games unbeaten in the league the pressure has most certainly eased on him although he’s not out the woods yet.

Only thing I see raising a real question over his position for the rest of this season would be failure to finish in the top 6 which there is still a risk of.

[GreenPJ]

Why would Hibs have anyone on their managerial radar?

Barring something truly disastrous happening it’s clear LJ currently has the support of the board and with the run of 5 games unbeaten in the league the pressure has most certainly eased on him although he’s not out the woods yet.

Only thing I see raising a real question over his position for the rest of this season would be failure to finish in the top 6 which there is still a risk of.

Every club needs to have succession planning in place - that doesn't mean to say they are expecting a change in the next 6-12 months but just in case.

[RIP]

With social media, we should always consider how much the narrative of this board reflects our core support.

The buses threads saw a lot of older Netters posting. I was quite shocked to discover that Pretty Boy was only half my age, yet seems to have been posting for years.

However our away support is a slightly different kettle of fish. The HibsClass videos on YouTube shows the younger demographic of our away fans. Can't imagine teenage lads using messageboards much, can you?

Its also pretty clear that Lee and the players have developed a genuine bond with the away crowd and as a club we have always frowned upon any abuse from the stands.

As a season ticket holder, I don’t witness many supporters posting during home games. Yet some of the most ardent critics of the club seem to be all over the matchday threads when we are losing. They are also largely invisible when we are on a good streak.

Lee's had to cope with a horrendous injury list, a huge list of players signed by others and unrealistic expectations on how quickly a squad can be rebuilt.

One of the first things a player and their agent looks for when thinking about signing for a club is how long they will be there. Particularly if there is significant relocation involved.

A club with a constantly revolving door is the last place you would want to sign for.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Every game is a must win, losing games at the rate we have been in recent years isn’t acceptable and we need to make that known to the board, players and manager. Treating certain games as being less important is a bad habit.

However, LJ looks to have turned it around a bit and he has my support.


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I'm sure any manager would deny they do that, but even if its subconsciously it probably does happen.

Alex Ferguson always said he expected his Aberdeen teams to win in Glasgow, but the dynamic of Scottish football has changed since then, the gulf between the uglies and the rest is far bigger IMO ..... Anything you get home or away against them is very much a bonus and that applies to every single club.

But that means that how you perform against the rest becomes far more important, if anything games away to Motherwell or St Mirren or home to Hearts or Dundee United are far more important than home or away games to the uglies. It isn't losses to the uglies that have killed us in recent years, it's draws and losses to clubs we should realistically hope to be beating more often than not, and I include ( very much include ) Hearts in that.

You could argue that Aberdeen and Hearts operate on a bigger budget than us, but the gulf certainly isn't massive and certainly not to the extent that we shouldn't be able to beat them 50% of the time. I think that is what frustrates Hibs fans more than anything else, we have consistently failed to reach 3rd or 4th spot because of poor results against the likes of Livvi, St Johnston, Dundee United, Hearts and Aberdeen.

It's not being competitive with the uglies we need to achieve, it's being able to beat the rest on a regular basis. That should never be considered out of reach .... but this season, as in so many others, it's the losses to Livvi, St Johnston, Dundee United and Ross County that have killed us. Turn just two of these losses, for example the home ones to St Johnston and Ross County, into wins and we would be just 2 points behind the greatest Hearts team of the 21st century, not 8.

That's the goal here ...... it's far from an unrealistic one.

[greenlex]

Livi game is a must win if we want 4th imo.

In the run up to the split we have to play all the top three. Livi only have to play Rangers. That’s this weekend at Livingston. They are in the driving seat and also have a game in hand. They are the favourites and we certainly need to beat them at Livingston to have any chance of 4th and I don’t even think that will be enough.

[theonlywayisup]

With social media, we should always consider how much the narrative of this board reflects our core support.

The buses threads saw a lot of older Netters posting. I was quite shocked to discover that Pretty Boy was only half my age, yet seems to have been posting for years.

However our away support is a slightly different kettle of fish. The HibsClass videos on YouTube shows the younger demographic of our away fans. Can't imagine teenage lads using messageboards much, can you?

Its also pretty clear that Lee and the players have developed a genuine bond with the away crowd and as a club we have always frowned upon any abuse from the stands.

As a season ticket holder, I don’t witness many supporters posting during home games. Yet some of the most ardent critics of the club seem to be all over the matchday threads when we are losing. They are also largely invisible when we are on a good streak.

Lee's had to cope with a horrendous injury list, a huge list of players signed by others and unrealistic expectations on how quickly a squad can be rebuilt.

One of the first things a player and their agent looks for when thinking about signing for a club is how long they will be there. Particularly if there is significant relocation involved.

A club with a constantly revolving door is the last place you would want to sign for.

It'll be the Hibs fans who can only reliably turn up when we get to cup finals or when we are on a prolonged period of good form, but are nowhere to be seen when the going gets tough, apart from on social media.

:stirrer:

[blackpoolhibs]

In the run up to the split we gave to play all the top three. Livi only have to play Rangers. That’s this weekend at Livingston. They are in the driving seat and also have a game in hand. They are the favourites and we certainly need to beat them at Livingston to have any chance of 4th and I don’t even think that will be enough.

Ah but there will be some folk here who will tell us that a draw is not a bad result there. :confused:

A draw is never a good result against teams like Livi or St Mirren or Kilmarnock and the likes, it only draws attention to how poor we are when we say it.

[Since452]

I expect us to finish above Livingston and will be disappointed if we don't. Now we appear to have steadied the ship a little, 4th has to be the target and it is very achievable.

[WhileTheChief..]

With social media, we should always consider how much the narrative of this board reflects our core support.

The buses threads saw a lot of older Netters posting. I was quite shocked to discover that Pretty Boy was only half my age, yet seems to have been posting for years.

However our away support is a slightly different kettle of fish. The HibsClass videos on YouTube shows the younger demographic of our away fans. Can't imagine teenage lads using messageboards much, can you?

Its also pretty clear that Lee and the players have developed a genuine bond with the away crowd and as a club we have always frowned upon any abuse from the stands.

As a season ticket holder, I don’t witness many supporters posting during home games. Yet some of the most ardent critics of the club seem to be all over the matchday threads when we are losing. They are also largely invisible when we are on a good streak.

Lee's had to cope with a horrendous injury list, a huge list of players signed by others and unrealistic expectations on how quickly a squad can be rebuilt.

One of the first things a player and their agent looks for when thinking about signing for a club is how long they will be there. Particularly if there is significant relocation involved.

A club with a constantly revolving door is the last place you would want to sign for.

If we're losing a game, the match day thread will be the most critical one at the time, Same on every msg board in the land.

People also tend to want to vent more after a loss than a defeat. Same as people are more likely to tell others of a bad experience at a restaurant than a good one. It's just the way of things.

Your post is basically another dig at Hibs fans that see things differently to yourself. Maybe you should try to be a bit more understanding, or, you know, ignore them!!

There's more and more fans like yourself on here who are more concerned with having digs at other Hibs fans than anything else it seems.

The people doing the moaning about the team, don't come on here insulting you or other fans. They're simply sharing their views on the game or team, which is what the forum is for. It's not for hearing or sharing opinions on other Hibs fans!

LJ has been full of praise for all of us since he arrived. Let's not try and drive a wedge between home and away fans.

[WhileTheChief..]

It'll be the Hibs fans who can only reliably turn up when we get to cup finals or when we are on a prolonged period of good form, but are nowhere to be seen when the going gets tough, apart from on social media.

:stirrer:

Which is fine.

Unless you'd prefer to see less than 10k Hibs fans at Hampden in future?

Remember the thread about the Hearts cup game recently? You were all panicking that the stadium would be empty and it would be embarrassing. Well, Hampden would be like that if you don't want the 'glory hunter' type fans there.

You can't have it both ways.

[Donegal Hibby]

I expect us to finish above Livingston and will be disappointed if we don't. Now we appear to have steadied the ship a little, 4th has to be the target and it is very achievable.
I think we will even though we have probably a harder run in with us having to play the top 3 yet though we have two of them at home were we always have a chance to get a result. Livingston away is a massive game and no reason why we can't go there and win even though that pitch is a big advantage to them .A draw wouldn't be a disaster either though. Livingston have sevco (h) St mirren and Aberdeen (a) . Livingston are not a great side imo and are capable of dropping points to anyone in the league.

[RIP]

If we're losing a game, the match day thread will be the most critical one at the time, Same on every msg board in the land.

People also tend to want to vent more after a loss than a win. Same as people are more likely to tell others of a bad experience at a restaurant than a good one.

I get that. In the 15 years I've been posting out of 62 years as a hibs supporter I've actually gone as far as convening a meeting of groups trying to remove the board and buy the club. Criticism of club management is in my DNA.

You will find that the more seasoned poster like MattyF will target his comments at a specific aspect of team or club performance. Thoughtful posts that acknowledge constraints the club or manager are under whilst addressing areas of underperformance where we should clearly do much better.

However there's an admittedly small cabal of posters who strive to convince the majority that the whole club is a shambles from top to bottom and we should all tear up our season ticket cards. Whatever their intentions they aren’t supporting Hibernian FC.

I'm an old school supporter who will happily listen to alternative points of view. Until that is you start constantly attacking my club. You cross that line and you are no better than a Hun or a Yam fud in my book.

One such poster has recently been launched so going forward, I'm going to reel my neck in and let the Admins do their job.

[SMAXXA]

I get that. In the 15 years I've been posting out of 62 years as a hibs supporter I've actually gone as far as convening a meeting of groups trying to remove the board and buy the club. Criticism of club management is in my DNA.

You will find that the more seasoned poster like MattyF will target his comments at a specific aspect of team or club performance. Thoughtful posts that acknowledge constraints the club or manager are under whilst addressing areas of underperformance where we should clearly do much better.

However there's an admittedly small cabal of posters who strive to convince the majority that the whole club is a shambles from top to bottom and we should all tear up our season ticket cards. Whatever their intentions they aren’t supporting Hibernian FC.

I'm an old school supporter who will happily listen to alternative points of view. Until that is you start constantly attacking my club. You cross that line and you are no better than a Hun or a Yam fud in my book.

One such poster has recently been launched so going forward, I'm going to reel my neck in and let the Admins do their job.

Who was launched out of interest?

[JimBHibees]

Who was launched out of interest?

Loanhead Hearts guy :greengrin

[Hibernian Verse]

Ah but there will be some folk here who will tell us that a draw is not a bad result there. :confused:

A draw is never a good result against teams like Livi or St Mirren or Kilmarnock and the likes, it only draws attention to how poor we are when we say it.

In general I agree with you, but it's ok to acknowledge that Livi are having a good season and are well organised on that horrible pitch and that a draw isn't a bad result this season in particular.

[Iain G]

In general I agree with you, but it's ok to acknowledge that Livi are having a good season and are well organised on that horrible pitch and that a draw isn't a bad result this season in particular.

It's about time our top professional league said no to artificial pitches and let these tinpot clubs play on grass.

[Phil MaGlass]

Not about Johnson, but, plastic pitches, IMO I hate them it gives teams a real unfair advantage especially the Killie one that didnt even resemble a plastic pitch anymore, but we have all been calling out for more competition in our league and I guess on one level Livi have managed this with their pitch and add to that decent play. So in a way they have made the league more competitive.

[Donegal Hibby]

Not about Johnson, but, plastic pitches, IMO I hate them it gives teams a real unfair advantage especially the Killie one that didnt even resemble a plastic pitch anymore, but we have all been calling out for more competition in our league and I guess on one level Livi have managed this with their pitch and add to that decent play. So in a way they have made the league more competitive.
Both these pitches should have been banned from the Scottish premier league , just goes to show how amateurish the SFA really are . Both Kilmarnock and Livingston don't play nice football but do have the big advantage of there awful pitches when they are at home .

[tamig]

On the plastic, I stumbled across Sportscene last night and it was women’s games that were on. The ones I saw were all on plastic and the pitches looked on a different level from what we see in the Prem.

[bingo70]

Both these pitches should have been banned from the Scottish premier league , just goes to show how amateurish the SFA really are . Both Kilmarnock and Livingston don't play nice football but do have the big advantage of there awful pitches when they are at home .

I’m sure I read that in Holland, the bigger clubs, presumably the ones that qualified for Europe that year, have to pay for the smaller clubs replacing their astro pitch if they get promoted to the top division.

Might be more to it than that and it may even have just been a proposal now I think about it but I thought that was a great idea. Rangers and Celtic (possibly hearts too actually with the money they’ve made this year) splitting the cost between them to replace Killies pitch this year would have been a drop in the ocean for them.

One of the problems livingston and Kilmarnock would have is their youth teams play on those pitches as they don’t have a training centre for themselves. Sure that’s not a problem that can’t be solved though.

[Hibernian Verse]

I’m sure I read that in Holland, the bigger clubs, presumably the ones that qualified for Europe that year, have to pay for the smaller clubs replacing their astro pitch if they get promoted to the top division.

Might be more to it than that and it may even have just been a proposal now I think about it but I thought that was a great idea. Rangers and Celtic (possibly hearts too actually with the money they’ve made this year) splitting the cost between them to replace Killies pitch this year would have been a drop in the ocean for them.

One of the problems livingston and Kilmarnock would have is their youth teams play on those pitches as they don’t have a training centre for themselves. Sure that’s not a problem that can’t be solved though.

I don't think it's just their youth teams. They are "community" pitches that are sold for use to wee clubs too I'm sure which creates a further financial disparity if removed.

May be wrong.

[GreenCastle]

I don't think it's just their youth teams. They are "community" pitches that are sold for use to wee clubs too I'm sure which creates a further financial disparity if removed.

May be wrong.

The community foundations get grants to get the pitches laid.

The issue is over use and poor maintenance = crap surface.

Hard to go against the community aspect but at same time the top league in Scotland is suffering.

[Hibernian Verse]

The community foundations get grants to get the pitches laid.

The issue is over use and poor maintenance = crap surface.

Hard to go against the community aspect but at same time the top league in Scotland is suffering.

Agreed.

They should give them 3 years to change the pitch over giving them 3 seasons to spread the cost.

[Crab apple]

Not about Johnson, but, plastic pitches, IMO I hate them it gives teams a real unfair advantage especially the Killie one that didnt even resemble a plastic pitch anymore, but we have all been calling out for more competition in our league and I guess on one level Livi have managed this with their pitch and add to that decent play. So in a way they have made the league more competitive.

I think it 100% should be grass only pitches in the top division.

[Since452]

Wonder if he found the dressing room he lost? :greengrin

[Pedantic_Hibee]

As the author of this thread, I hereby denounce myself as an absolute fud. Thank you.

[HoboHarry]

As the author of this thread, I hereby denounce myself as an absolute fud. Thank you.

Well in fairness there were a few fudettes agreeing with you at the time. All good now, we all make erses of ourselves from time to time :greengrin. On to the next victory.....

[Just_Jimmy]

Well in fairness there were a few fudettes agreeing with you at the time. All good now, we all make erses of ourselves from time to time :greengrin. On to the next victory.....Tbf, if he'd been sacked after the Derby at Easter Road he could have had few complaints. Hindsight so far has shown he's done well to turn it around.

It'll depend where we finish. 4th behind hearts and pumped out the Scottish Cup at home by them and out the league Cup in the group stages to lower league teams isn't a good season. There's still time to correct that but there's work to be done next season.

He's earned the right to have the chance to continue.

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[JimBHibees]

Tbf, if he'd been sacked after the Derby at Easter Road he could have had few complaints. Hindsight so far has shown he's done well to turn it around.

It'll depend where we finish. 4th behind hearts and pumped out the Scottish Cup at home by them and out the league Cup in the group stages to lower league teams isn't a good season. There's still time to correct that but there's work to be done next season.

He's earned the right to have the chance to continue.

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Finishing 4th would definitely be a good season considering where we were imo.

[Hibbyradge]

As the author of this thread, I hereby denounce myself as an absolute fud. Thank you.

To be fair, that was never in doubt.

:duck:

[neil7908]

Tbf, if he'd been sacked after the Derby at Easter Road he could have had few complaints. Hindsight so far has shown he's done well to turn it around.

It'll depend where we finish. 4th behind hearts and pumped out the Scottish Cup at home by them and out the league Cup in the group stages to lower league teams isn't a good season. There's still time to correct that but there's work to be done next season.

He's earned the right to have the chance to continue.

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He's absolutely turned things around but we need to finish the season strongly. 4th would be a great achievement but we need to put in a couple of impressive derby performances as well. We can't be getting turned over 3-0 - we need to compete and should be winning at least one of these games.

I wanted him out as well and happy to admit that looks like a daft call at this point. He's absolutely earned more time but we also have some tough games coming up and need to show we can also compete against the better teams in the league.

If we have European football next season, can get Youan permanently, Boyle is back to fitness and have a good summer recruitment I'll be excited for next season, something I didn't think was possible a few weeks ago.

[Northernhibee]

In all fairness, the tail end of the bad run of form was as bad as we’ve seen. Baffling team selections, inept performances, bizarre tactics, and awful results.

To catch the tailspin moments before impact and it fix it so comprehensively is outstandingly difficult to do. I don’t think many on here would have complaints if LJ was sacked after the derby at ER in the cup. I now imagine almost everyone is behind him right now.

Full credit to LJ.

[Trinity Hibee]

Tbf, if he'd been sacked after the Derby at Easter Road he could have had few complaints. Hindsight so far has shown he's done well to turn it around.

It'll depend where we finish. 4th behind hearts and pumped out the Scottish Cup at home by them and out the league Cup in the group stages to lower league teams isn't a good season. There's still time to correct that but there's work to be done next season.

He's earned the right to have the chance to continue.

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Think we need to see where we are come end of season. 4th would be a good achievement and would warrant him staying on.

6th or not making top 6 would not be great. Still don’t think we’ll get rid of him in the summer. Think it would take a bad start to next season for him to be sacked.

I wasn’t keen on him staying in January but there is some merit to giving managers time and he seems to have sorted the squad quite well in January.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Glad he's turned it around and deserves the summer to sort out the squad. Things were looking bad after the New Year derby. The Aberdeen game was the turning point.

[Donegal Hibby]

It's a trophy previous Sunderland managers couldn't win no matter who's competing in it ! You have just degraded his achievement of winning it by calling the trophy something childish btw . All your saying is everyone is pulling stats that his career is slim pickings ? Far enough you show me stats then for any football club he's been manager off that he's not left in a better position than when he's taken over ! You don't think he's a good Manager and we are better off without him so who in your opinion is a good manager for our football club then ?


As the author of this thread, I hereby denounce myself as an absolute fud. Thank you.
Found the thread quite interesting as I've went back to the start and I'm on page 18 of it to see what other posters were saying and there's really some harsh stuff said about Johnson so far from he's a fraud, hugely arrogant and patronising, lost the dressing room, won a micky mouse cup, it's the same as the butcher era , out of his depth , hasn't a good knowledge of the Scottish game , David Brent and so on even before the derby the guy was severely condemned for being out , when all he was doing was having a bite to eat with his nan .

I'm not meaning to have a go at anyone btw , merely pointing out we as fans should have more patience at times when a manager hits a bad patch or a player's not started off well like Youan who was also called out . I really hope the David Brent chat is put to bed as I find it very hertz like chat about our manager. Hope we have a bit more patience when our manager or a player hits a bad patch again. As to you calling yourself a absolute fud , your not more just a concerned hibby cause we weren't going well though thankfully the Hibs board have showed patience and backed LJ and its all coming good of late 👍

[Callum_62]

Form Guide over last ten matches

Given the RC debacle that should be 22 points

Also, last 6 league games - scored 16(joint 2nd with Rangers) and only conceded 4 (also joint 2nd with Rangers) https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230305/975c054d22ec5f5bd998ab1a3a54b163.jpg

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[Just_Jimmy]

Finishing 4th would definitely be a good season considering where we were imo.Nah, it'll be a solid end to an otherwise poor season. The last month or so has been good but we've not played either the old firm or hearts.

I'd be content with 4th, I'm not disputing that but there's no way you can say this has been a good season looking at the big picture. It's been poor in both cups, and so up and down in the league.

However, 3rd would be excellent all things considered.

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[superfurryhibby]

Nah, it'll be a solid end to an otherwise poor season. The last month or so has been good but we've not played either the old firm or hearts.

I'd be content with 4th, I'm not disputing that but there's no way you can say this has been a good season looking at the big picture. It's been poor in both cups, and so up and down in the league.

However, 3rd would be excellent all things considered.

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I think you ignored the point about it being a good season”considering where we were’.

I think we’ve become almost entitled with cup runs becoming the norm, but it hasn’t always been like that.

I’ve mostly enjoyed the football, we look to have developed a style of play and are much more direct when we have the ball. For me that is part of a bigger picture. We have a manager who will keep building on progress made and hopefully our transfer committee have learned something about what’s needed to play in our league.

[matty_f]

Found the thread quite interesting as I've went back to the start and I'm on page 18 of it to see what other posters were saying and there's really some harsh stuff said about Johnson so far from he's a fraud, hugely arrogant and patronising, lost the dressing room, won a micky mouse cup, it's the same as the butcher era , out of his depth , hasn't a good knowledge of the Scottish game , David Brent and so on even before the derby the guy was severely condemned for being out , when all he was doing was having a bite to eat with his nan .

I'm not meaning to have a go at anyone btw , merely pointing out we as fans should have more patience at times when a manager hits a bad patch or a player's not started off well like Youan who was also called out . I really hope the David Brent chat is put to bed as I find it very hertz like chat about our manager. Hope we have a bit more patience when our manager or a player hits a bad patch again. As to you calling yourself a absolute fud , your not more just a concerned hibby cause we weren't going well though thankfully the Hibs board have showed patience and backed LJ and its all coming good of late 👍

I did the same and was pretty disgusted at some of the abuse directed at a guy who, regardless of ability, is doing his absolute best to deliver what we want. We're meant to support these guys, but folk go beyond healthy criticism and into outright nasty personal abuse. It's not nice to look back on.

[Skol]

Finishing 4th would definitely be a good season considering where we were imo.

4th is a good season full stop. In my 50 years of following hibs I don’t think we have had many of those.

[SHODAN]

Maybe close this thread.

[Ronniekirk]

Maybe close this thread.

Agree

[blackpoolhibs]

I remember previous managers went on similar runs and we're hounded out, what was different this time, especially a manager that had no credit in the bank like other's?

[superfurryhibby]

Maybe close this thread.

Not for me, it is interesting reading back and seeing how perceptions have changed as our fortunes have ebbed and flowed.

Maybe some of the more vehement posters have read and might take time to reflect on their rantings?

[Just_Jimmy]

I think you ignored the point about it being a good season”considering where we were’.

I think we’ve become almost entitled with cup runs becoming the norm, but it hasn’t always been like that.

I’ve mostly enjoyed the football, we look to have developed a style of play and are much more direct when we have the ball. For me that is part of a bigger picture. We have a manager who will keep building on progress made and hopefully our transfer committee have learned something about what’s needed to play in our league.Nah, I get where you're coming from. I just don't agree. We were where we were for obvious reasons. Johnson got it wrong in the league Cup and our recruitment was poor with the squad being unbalanced.

There's no question that it's improved and I agree with you that the football has been decent. I'm on record on here after the first game and second game of the season as saying I was concerned about how many chances we created compared to what we took. When it clicked we'd give someone a doing. I think right now the balance is better and as a result we're creating and scoring.

I'd take 4th right now and I'd say it was a solid base to improve on next year. I don't think a cup run to a final or semi is a given, but at the same time, knocked out the Scottish at home to hearts 3-0 and failing to even get out a group in the league Cup against lower league, isn't any where near acceptable.

It'll be a decent season if we finish 4th. A good league season if we finish 3rd. Anything else is poor and realistically, I still don't think it ranks as a good season finishing 4th all things considered.

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[chrisski33]

Good to see the reaction at the end when Johnson went up to the fans.

[JohnM1875]

Maybe close this thread.

No point in closing it. We fail to pick up any points in the next three and find ourselves in the bottom six a new thread would be started anyway.

[Pretty Boy]

Footballs emotive, a few bad results and the tide could well turn again.

I'm quite enjoying the forums being as happy as I can remember them in a long time. I probably said some daft things about Johnson mere weeks ago, I'm probably going OTT now in that every scenario I come up with between now and seasons end definitely has us finishing 3rd and if we lose 2 or 3 on the bounce I'll likely be starting the 'who's next' manager thread.

I'm not all that bothered about how any of that looks in days, weeks or months time. It is what it is. I'm sure I'm far from alone. I mean it when I say it and I've never claimed to be anything other than fickle.

[LewysGot2]

Liked his interview with PLZ...talking about the importance of being a one brain team and the total sum being far more important than the individuals. That this is where we are now...

[AlbertK86]

4th would be a great finish considering the place we were when LJ first arrived and after the sticky spell.

We have had a horrific run of injuries to key players and still have.

Top six would be a good turn around considering these factors but fourth would be a very good achievement and would be a solid base to build from fornext season.


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[WhileTheChief..]

Keep the thread going.

I was scathing about LJ back then, happy for any of you to pull up any of my posts to highlight it if you like.

He deserved the criticism at the time, and is now getting praised for the upturn in results. Pretty normal stuff to me.

If we only win 1 more game between now and the end of the season, I'll be saying he should be sacked. Again, pretty normal stuff to me.

Anyways, Im now delighted with the results, as are most of us, and am glad that period is behind us.

[hibsbollah]

Footballs emotive, a few bad results and the tide could well turn again.

I'm quite enjoying the forums being as happy as I can remember them in a long time. I probably said some daft things about Johnson mere weeks ago, I'm probably going OTT now in that every scenario I come up with between now and seasons end definitely has us finishing 3rd and if we lose 2 or 3 on the bounce I'll likely be starting the 'who's next' manager thread.

I'm not all that bothered about how any of that looks in days, weeks or months time. It is what it is. I'm sure I'm far from alone. I mean it when I say it and I've never claimed to be anything other than fickle.

:agree:
Happiness is knowing you’re a hypocrite.

[Ozyhibby]

722 posts before I posted on the thread and it was only to defend Youan. [emoji6]
Doubt it was because I liked Johnson, more that I thought what’s the point as this midfield will just get the next guy sacked as well.
New midfield, fresh start for Johnson.


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[J-C]

I remember previous managers went on similar runs and we're hounded out, what was different this time, especially a manager that had no credit in the bank like other's?

Possibly Kensall etc, realising that going down the promising young player route was wrong and getting 1st team ready players in should've been a priority.. It was their wee experiment and it's not worked, can't blame Johnson for that, he signed off on the players but if they were the best then it's down to recruitment and seeing they're now looking for a DOF, it shows they accept their mistakes.

[Donegal Hibby]

I did the same and was pretty disgusted at some of the abuse directed at a guy who, regardless of ability, is doing his absolute best to deliver what we want. We're meant to support these guys, but folk go beyond healthy criticism and into outright nasty personal abuse. It's not nice to look back on.
There was a lot of stuff said that was really over the top about LJ and went beyond healthy criticism early on this thread when we were going badly, I noticed a few posters had defended LJ too though which is a credit to them . I suppose when a manager or the team needs our support and patience the most is when things aren't going well but that at any football club rarely happens. After the Livvy game when LJ dedicated the win to Ron and his family you could see the guy was abit emotional, I suppose as fans we forget that managers and players are just human beings like us and while it's ok for wanting a manager replaced there's no need for personal abuse used at them. Maybe there's something for us as fans to be learnt from the " Johnson out " thread .

[MrSmith]

I called him a slaver and I still think he is! However, we are only ever one game away from a crisis so, will wait until the end of the season before I give hime plaudits.

[007]

I called him a slaver and I still think he is! However, we are only ever one game away from a crisis so, will wait until the end of the season before I give hime plaudits.

If waiting until the end of the season is the right time to give plaudits then surely criticism should wait until then too. 🤔

[Scottie]

If waiting until the end of the season is the right time to give plaudits then surely criticism should wait until then too. ��
:agree: How many of us are quick to pan a place when say a meal is poor but not so quick to leave a positive one when its good ? Its human nature to complain when upset but at least give credit when its due.

I'm a hypocrite though as earlier in the tread I wanted him out and called him Ted Lasso but so pleased that he's showing me up for the arse that I am now. Long may it continue Lee :thumbsup:

[Lago]

I called him a slaver and I still think he is! However, we are only ever one game away from a crisis so, will wait until the end of the season before I give hime plaudits.
Unfortunately your not the only one.

[B.H.F.C]

Keep the thread going.

I was scathing about LJ back then, happy for any of you to pull up any of my posts to highlight it if you like.

He deserved the criticism at the time, and is now getting praised for the upturn in results. Pretty normal stuff to me.

If we only win 1 more game between now and the end of the season, I'll be saying he should be sacked. Again, pretty normal stuff to me.

Anyways, Im now delighted with the results, as are most of us, and am glad that period is behind us.

Pretty much my thoughts. I wasn’t happy when we were failing to win very often but I’m happy now that we are getting results. Long may it continue.

Still think there could have been very little complaint had he got the bullet after the second Hearts game but the preferable option was always for him to start getting some positive results rather than us have to through the whole sacking/hiring thing again.

[greenlex]

I called him a slaver and I still think he is! However, we are only ever one game away from a crisis so, will wait until the end of the season before I give hime plaudits.
Pretty much where I am. He seems to waffle ***** when he’s under pressure. Does that transfer into the dressing room? As a player you’re not really looking for that in a leader. You want calm and measured sticking to the plan if there is one or firm changes disseminated in that calm measured manner. There’s a reason why he’s a streaky manager in the results stakes but long may it last.

[Silky]

Pretty much where I am. He seems to waffle ***** when he’s under pressure. Does that transfer into the dressing room? As a player you’re not really looking for that in a leader. You want calm and measured sticking to the plan if there is one or firm changes disseminated in that calm measured manner. There’s a reason why he’s a streaky manager in the results stakes but long may it last.

Do we know he was waffling **** to the players? He may have been calm and measured on the training field and in the dressing room. I think loads of managers, and players, talk nonsense to the media as the media are well versed in slavering!

[greenlex]

Do we know he was waffling **** to the players? He may have been calm and measured on the training field and in the dressing room. I think loads of managers, and players, talk nonsense to the media as the media are well versed in slavering!
Something goes on. We go from decent to a real run of poor displays back to decent runs. It’s a trait of his management. It has to be something in the message or tactics rather than coincidence. He might be learning so all good.

[BS44]

Something goes on. We go from decent to a real run of poor displays back to decent runs. It’s a trait of his management. It has to be something in the message or tactics rather than coincidence. He might be learning so all good.

He's got the players now and he's doing a smashing job with them.

[ancient hibee]

Something goes on. We go from decent to a real run of poor displays back to decent runs. It’s a trait of his management. It has to be something in the message or tactics rather than coincidence. He might be learning so all good.

Decent players injured.Repacements not up to it. More decent players come in. Not rocket science.

[greenlex]

Decent players injured.Repacements not up to it. More decent players come in. Not rocket science.
Certainly helps.

[Hibbyradge]

Pretty much where I am. He seems to waffle ***** when he’s under pressure. Does that transfer into the dressing room? As a player you’re not really looking for that in a leader. You want calm and measured sticking to the plan if there is one or firm changes disseminated in that calm measured manner. There’s a reason why he’s a streaky manager in the results stakes but long may it last.

I don't think he waffles, I don't think he's a slaver and the Brent comparisons are inaccurate and lazy.

I've understood everything he's said and usually agreed with him.

[cameronw-hfc]

Something goes on. We go from decent to a real run of poor displays back to decent runs. It’s a trait of his management. It has to be something in the message or tactics rather than coincidence. He might be learning so all good.

It's the style of play. We haven't nailed it yet, but Lee likes high intensity football, if you don't have the best team in the league that can be an inconsistent way of playing, especially at clubs like Bristol City and Hibs. It's different at Liverpool and Bayern etc where they have the players to (usually) maintain it for a season, we don't so will see dips etc. Lee told us himself we will take a few pastings but give a few out.

I think he talks well, im younger so probably don't look at his football talk as waffle, but I think there's a lot to be said about his word choice. It's very "modern" and I think can sound like football waffle, but if you listen to what he's saying, usually it's the same as the fans just in a more elaborate sense. That doesn't bother me, it just seems to be how Lee articulates himself.

Dyche is the opposite. Very tactically astute and aware but often gives off an old fashioned way of articulating himself so doesn't get the same level of credit/hate for talking crap.

[HibeeHibernian4]

It'll be a decent season if we finish 4th. A good league season if we finish 3rd. Anything else is poor and realistically, I still don't think it ranks as a good season finishing 4th all things considered.

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Hibs have had 14 third place finishes and just 8 fourth place finishes in the top flight of Scotland since first promotion in 1895.

History says either 3rd of 4th would be far above our average position and better than words like decent or good. :aok:

[HarpOnHibee]

All managers slaver to the press. It's not an accurate representation of how they talk to and manage their players behind the scenes. Whatever he is doing and saying is clearly working.

This thread has aged like fine milk imo.

[Crunchie]

I did the same and was pretty disgusted at some of the abuse directed at a guy who, regardless of ability, is doing his absolute best to deliver what we want. We're meant to support these guys, but folk go beyond healthy criticism and into outright nasty personal abuse. It's not nice to look back on.
:agree: And the posters who did so are basically admitting they were right to do so at the time and will do so again if we go on a bad run, sad stuff indeed.
They'll also be the first to give him dogs abuse when he goes on to a bigger job down south if he's successful here.

[MWHIBBIES]

:agree: And the posters who did so are basically admitting they were right to do so at the time and will do so again if we go on a bad run, sad stuff indeed.
They'll also be the first to give him dogs abuse when he goes on to a bigger job down south if he's successful here.

Literally posters have said no matter what, they'll never like Lee Johnson. It's pathetic. Strange version of a supporter if you won't ever support the manager.

If we'd had Boyle and Nisbet all season we'd be 3rd. Easily worth 5 points those 2.

[CentreLine]

Literally posters have said no matter what, they'll never like Lee Johnson. It's pathetic. Strange version of a supporter if you won't ever support the manager.

If we'd had Boyle and Nisbet all season we'd be 3rd. Easily worth 5 points those 2.

If we’d had fair refereeing decisions we’d be comfortably third despite the absence of these players.

Notice yet another amazing, incredible, understandable and clearly justifiable, honest refereeing error missed a penalty against sevco at the weekend. They say these errors will balance themselves out though😏

Any computer whiz out there able to put a montage together of all the honest errors they’ve been the victim of, might be fun

[JimBHibees]

Pretty much where I am. He seems to waffle ***** when he’s under pressure. Does that transfer into the dressing room? As a player you’re not really looking for that in a leader. You want calm and measured sticking to the plan if there is one or firm changes disseminated in that calm measured manner. There’s a reason why he’s a streaky manager in the results stakes but long may it last.

Dont have an issue with how he speaks. Seems quite an engaging character. Most of what he says I agree with however just like everyone I wont agree with all. Think he knows what he is doing and he should take great credit for the turnaround in form after two sore derby defeats. Think we will be in a good position in the summer when he is able to adapt the squad to suit. Hope our form continues however of course we will get defeats on the way but personally enjoying our team at present.

[blackpoolhibs]

Dont have an issue with how he speaks. Seems quite an engaging character. Most of what he says I agree with however just like everyone I wont agree with all. Think he knows what he is doing and he should take great credit for the turnaround in form after two sore derby defeats. Think we will be in a good position in the summer when he is able to adapt the squad to suit. Hope our form continues however of course we will get defeats on the way but personally enjoying our team at present.

I wonder if giving a struggling manager more time, and letting him bring in more players will catch on?

[JimBHibees]

I wonder if giving a struggling manager more time, and letting him bring in more players will catch on?

No much better to continually sack coaches as it creates stability apparently :greengrin

[Since452]

His managerial record over almost 500 games in very competitive leagues down south suggested he wasn't a diddy. He most definitely wasn't another punt like Maloney was. Every single Hibs manager in my lifetime good and bad has gone through bad runs. Lee will go through another bad run, it's inevitable. It's where we are in the food chain. Hopefully over time under a steady management team without regular upheaval they will be less frequent. Football fans are reactive and emotional, especially after defeats. I've been guilty of it myself. I've always seen something in Lee's team though. The football is attacking and quite exciting. Yes, we've had poor games but that happens. The nonsense about him losing the dressing room etc was exactly that. Nonsense.

[Paulie Walnuts]

His managerial record over almost 500 games in very competitive leagues down south suggested he wasn't a diddy. He most definitely wasn't another punt like Maloney was. Every single Hibs manager in my lifetime good and bad has gone through bad runs. Lee will go through another bad run, it's inevitable. It's where we are in the food chain. Hopefully over time under a steady management team without regular upheaval they will be less frequent. Football fans are reactive and emotional, especially after defeats. I've been guilty of it myself. I've always seen something in Lee's team though. The football is attacking and quite exciting. Yes, we've had poor games but that happens. The nonsense about him losing the dressing room etc was exactly that. Nonsense.

Without going back through all his interviews did he not come out recently and say he got rid of a few players who were causing issues?

I may be completely imagining that but if he did, whilst it isn’t necessarily losing the whole dressing room it could definitely be said that it equates to losing some of it.

[BS44]

Without going back through all his interviews did he not come out recently and say he got rid of a few players who were causing issues?

I may be completely imagining that but if he did, whilst it isn’t necessarily losing the whole dressing room it could definitely be said that it equates to losing some of it.

No it doesn't, it means that there was a bloated first-team squad and some players were not getting a game. The fact that those players were pissed off and were not being professional about it is not the same as losing the dressing room.

[Crunchie]

Literally posters have said no matter what, they'll never like Lee Johnson. It's pathetic. Strange version of a supporter if you won't ever support the manager.

If we'd had Boyle and Nisbet all season we'd be 3rd. Easily worth 5 points those 2.
:agree:

[Kato]

Literally posters have said no matter what, they'll never like Lee Johnson. It's pathetic. Strange version of a supporter if you won't ever support the manager.

If we'd had Boyle and Nisbet all season we'd be 3rd. Easily worth 5 points those 2.If we had Maltese referees we'd also be third.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

No it doesn't, it means that there was a bloated first-team squad and some players were not getting a game. The fact that those players were pissed off and were not being professional about it is not the same as losing the dressing room.

If they were pissed off to the point he had to get rid of the players to see an upturn in form then I’d suggest that he had lost these particular players.

That’s not a criticism of LJ btw. The squad was a bit of a shambles in terms of the ridiculous size of it.

[Iain G]

If they were pissed off to the point he had to get rid of the players to see an upturn in form then I’d suggest that he had lost these particular players.

That’s not a criticism of LJ btw. The squad was a bit of a shambles in terms of the ridiculous size of it.

The squad has been reduced so he can focus training on a now smaller group. I don't think there was ever any criticism or accusations of the players but it was just not working due to the number of players and this was also blocking the pathway for the younger players into the first team group.

Nowhere did he lose the players, just wasn't allowing him to manage the squad effectively.

[Alex Trager]

The squad has been reduced so he can focus training on a now smaller group. I don't think there was ever any criticism or accusations of the players but it was just not working due to the number of players and this was also blocking the pathway for the younger players into the first team group.

Nowhere did he lose the players, just wasn't allowing him to manage the squad effectively.
There were a good few comments from posters who had inside knowledge saying that he had lost the dressing room.

Certainly doesn’t seem that way currently but who knows

[Northernhibee]

There were a good few comments from posters who had inside knowledge saying that he had lost the dressing room.

Certainly doesn’t seem that way currently but who knows
The comments made recently about the spirit of the squad and “moderate to poor” discipline also kind of back up the comments a bit too.

Sounds like a few problems have been removed and replaced.

[Iain G]

There were a good few comments from posters who had inside knowledge saying that he had lost the dressing room.

Certainly doesn’t seem that way currently but who knows

They were clearly talking p*sh! We are not a team where a manager has "lost the dressing room"

[Smartie]

I didn't hear "lost the dressing room" but I heard an awful lot of very worrying stuff around the time we lost at Tynecastle and it insinuated issues regarding the relationships between Johnson and the players.

One of the things that I did hear - and it came indirectly from former employees of the club - was a fairly robust defence of senior players at the club from their point of view that they felt it would be a difficult dressing room to lose. Their point was that the senior players weren't the type to go making life difficult for a manager, so if there was a breakdown in the relationship then it would be more down to him than them.

I don't think Johnson had lost the dressing room - but I think he'd probably admit himself that he was getting to the point where he was at risk of it going that way. It looks like shipping out a few disgruntled characters, bringing in some solid signings, getting a few good players back from injury, an easier run of fixtures and the resultant upturn in results has enabled him to be able to swing it back round in his favour.

Just because it's much better now doesn't mean it wasn't looking pretty bleak a short time ago, and rumours were flying around.

[bingo70]

They were clearly talking p*sh! We are not a team where a manager has "lost the dressing room"

Don’t think it is clear that the poster was wrong. I think it sounds like there were a good few not buying into him but he’s managed to ship them out.

We were absolutely terrible for large spells during the bad run we were on. Just because it looks like we’ve turned the corner now, it doesn’t mean there weren’t a number of issues back then.

[G15 Hibs]

There's a difference between losing the dressing room, and taking action before the dressing room is lost. The way it looks to me is that, as an experienced manager, Johnson saw things moving that way and took action. A positive thing and a good managerial attribute, if that is the case.

Of course, I know nothing of the situation at all, other than what's been hinted at in interviews, and, like most, I'm purely guessing.

[B.H.F.C]

Don’t think it is clear that the poster was wrong. I think it sounds like there were a good few not buying into him but he’s managed to ship them out.

We were absolutely terrible for large spells during the bad run we were on. Just because it looks like we’ve turned the corner now, it doesn’t mean there weren’t a number of issues back then.

Agree with this.

We still need to finish strongly in the league to make something of the season. We’ve not cracked it yet, although I thought the result on Saturday was a big step in the right direction and a big test passed.

I’ve enjoyed watching us over the last month or so though.

[bingo70]

Agree with this.

We still need to finish strongly in the league to make something of the season. We’ve not cracked it yet, although I thought the result on Saturday was a big step in the right direction and a big test passed.

I’ve enjoyed watching us over the last month or so though.

Yeah, I’m a bit uncomfortable with these I told you so type posts, not because I was wrong and others were right, I couldn’t care less about that, I just think it’s a bit premature.

If we finish top 6 this year I will be pretty content we are heading in the right direction. Signs are promising that we are heading that way but it’s by no means a certainty at this stage.

FWIW I think we will finish 4th.

[Iain G]

There's a difference between losing the dressing room, and taking action before the dressing room is lost. The way it looks to me is that, as an experienced manager, Johnson saw things moving that way and took action. A positive thing and a good managerial attribute, if that is the case.

Of course, I know nothing of the situation at all, other than what's been hinted at in interviews, and, like most, I'm purely guessing.

And a massive difference between losing the dressing room and some unhappy players maybe making things difficult. I do think taking Porto out the equation has helped, no critique of him at all but he was a big player and personality and am sure his mind was on his future.

[Donegal Hibby]

:agree: And the posters who did so are basically admitting they were right to do so at the time and will do so again if we go on a bad run, sad stuff indeed.
They'll also be the first to give him dogs abuse when he goes on to a bigger job down south if he's successful here.


Literally posters have said no matter what, they'll never like Lee Johnson. It's pathetic. Strange version of a supporter if you won't ever support the manager.

If we'd had Boyle and Nisbet all season we'd be 3rd. Easily worth 5 points those 2.
Its like some of our fans have just decided not to like Lee Johnson and are waiting for the team to have a defeat so they can turn on him again ( that's what it feels like). Wonder is part of it down to getting Lee Johnson instead of JDT?.I really don't get the ' he's a slaver comments ' think he talks well and is honest and I agree and understand with most of what he says when doing interviews.

Some of the posters that criticised him when we weren't going well actually tried to make out it was right to do so when truth be told it went away beyond healthy criticism imo . It's inevitable that he will lose a few games again at some point though I'm going to continue backing him . He's a good manager that's improved players like Campbell and Youan and I'm really enjoying watching Hibs playing a very good attacking style of football too.

[Vault Boy]

4 wins in 5, or 6 wins in 8 in the league going back to early Jan is very good going. Lee deserves praise for our 2023 form so far, the derby defeat aside. There’s been a clear and marked uptick in both the individual form of a number of players and our ability to deliver results as a team, the manager earns ownership of that. The celebrations after Saturday’s game were really great to see, it evoked a feeling of togetherness that hasn’t always been there this season. I loved it.

Having said that, Lee also deserved criticism for leading us to 9 defeats in 11 games prior to our recent run. We were dumped out of both cups at the first hurdle and lost a couple of derbies on the spin. I’ll be holding off on making a firm judgement about our turnaround for a wee while yet - though long may this run continue, of course.

We’ve won 12 games this season and only 4 have come against 11 men, which really is remarkable. Within that you’ve got games like our recent wins against Killie, Aberdeen, and Livi - where we’re winning either way, so I do think it unfairly skews the perception, but I’ve truly never known anything like it.

[Victor]

Look at the Liverpool v Man Utd result and you can see that even good managers rely on their players performing. Still maintain that a lot of our poor results were down to players performing poorly, or making bad mistakes that cost us goals. I am sure that Lee Johnson knows what he is doing ( the change of tactics against Livingston attests to that ) and bad results are not solely his responsibility.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Don’t think it is clear that the poster was wrong. I think it sounds like there were a good few not buying into him but he’s managed to ship them out.

We were absolutely terrible for large spells during the bad run we were on. Just because it looks like we’ve turned the corner now, it doesn’t mean there weren’t a number of issues back then.

:agree:

I think it’s clear he hadn’t lost the whole dressing room. He’s been at pains to point out how desperate he was to get folk shipped out and then at pains to say how happy he was with the window and getting these guys shipped out so I don’t think it’s that unreasonable to suggest he’d potentially lost some of them and he addressed that by getting rid of them.

[WeeRussell]

Literally posters have said no matter what, they'll never like Lee Johnson. It's pathetic. Strange version of a supporter if you won't ever support the manager.

If we'd had Boyle and Nisbet all season we'd be 3rd. Easily worth 5 points those 2.

I don’t dislike Lee Johnson - but it is possible for some to not like him personally and still support, even if the ‘dislike’ seems irrational/unfounded to you and me. Like and support aren’t the same thing.

There will be a large number of Dundee United fans doing very similar right now.

[Since452]

Shipping out 12/13 players in January and replacing them with a few who look to be really good players has made a huge difference. There must have been a lot of hard work going on behind the scenes to make that happen so well done to all involved.

Tin hat on here but we will, in all probability, lose to Rangers tomorrow night. We just need to make sure that doesn't kick start another bad run if we do. I was very impressed with the mentality we showed against Livingston though. I thought the tragic events might have drained the players. Thought they were terrific in the circumstances so i have confidence it wont.

[Iain G]

I don’t dislike Lee Johnson - but it is possible for some to not like him personally and still support, even if the ‘dislike’ seems irrational/unfounded to you and me. Like and support aren’t the same thing.

There will be a large number of Dundee United fans doing very similar right now.

I find it odd that people would take a personal dislike to him, am not sure what he has said and done to warrant that? He is refreshing when compared to the usual rehearsed rhetoric we get from managers (such as Jack Ross) who manage to not say anything, Lee at least has his own view, his own points to make and get across his views in his own way.

[bingo70]

I find it odd that people would take a personal dislike to him, am not sure what he has said and done to warrant that? He is refreshing when compared to the usual rehearsed rhetoric we get from managers (such as Jack Ross) who manage to not say anything, Lee at least has his own view, his own points to make and get across his views in his own way.

I find it odd that people take a personal dislike to some they don’t know personally.

I found him a bit annoying at times when we were losing but that was maybe just down to me being in a bad mood because we were losing? Going on about players IQ annoyed me more than I should as it’s just not language I can relate to when talking about football. I thought it was unnecessary and an attempt to show he had a higher footballing IQ than us mere mortals who wouldn’t understand that kind of thing. I understand what he meant but I just thought it was annoying.

He also did a very strange interview where he said he gave youth players a chance by showing them manners in the corridor or something like that. I found that baffling at the time and I still don’t get it.

I didn’t like he was out on George Street the night before a derby and l didn’t like the (clearly nonsense) reasoning he gave for it afterwards so that annoyed me.

Overall though, I’m as fickle as they come and if we’re winning and playing well I care not a jot about any of the above.

[Smartie]

I find it odd that people take a personal dislike to some they don’t know personally.

I found him a bit annoying at times when we were losing but that was maybe just down to me being in a bad mood because we were losing? Going on about players IQ annoyed me more than I should as it’s just not language I can relate to when talking about football. I thought it was unnecessary and an attempt to show he had a higher footballing IQ than us mere mortals who wouldn’t understand that kind of thing. I understand what he meant but I just thought it was annoying.

He also did a very strange interview where he said he gave youth players a chance by showing them manners in the corridor or something like that. I found that baffling at the time and I still don’t get it.

I didn’t like he was out on George Street the night before a derby and l didn’t like the (clearly nonsense) reasoning he gave for it afterwards so that annoyed me.

Overall though, I’m as fickle as they come and if we’re winning and playing well I care not a jot about any of the above.

I've liked him from the start.

Obviously it got really hard to defend him when we went on the bad run of results and performances prior to the World Cup but I've found him to be an endearing character.

Sometimes I think he talks too much, says too much and runs the risk of either getting himself into trouble or bringing unwarranted criticism on himself. But we're a fairly guarded lot in the East of Scotland and I guess he maybe just has a slightly different, more positive and open outlook than the dourness I'm more familiar with.

[007]

I find it odd that people take a personal dislike to some they don’t know personally.

I found him a bit annoying at times when we were losing but that was maybe just down to me being in a bad mood because we were losing? Going on about players IQ annoyed me more than I should as it’s just not language I can relate to when talking about football. I thought it was unnecessary and an attempt to show he had a higher footballing IQ than us mere mortals who wouldn’t understand that kind of thing. I understand what he meant but I just thought it was annoying.

He also did a very strange interview where he said he gave youth players a chance by showing them manners in the corridor or something like that. I found that baffling at the time and I still don’t get it.

I didn’t like he was out on George Street the night before a derby and l didn’t like the (clearly nonsense) reasoning he gave for it afterwards so that annoyed me.

Overall though, I’m as fickle as they come and if we’re winning and playing well I care not a jot about any of the above.

Our fans believing a Jambo @rsehole that our manager was out on the pi$$ rather than our manager's (perfectly reasonable) explanation is annoying.

[bingo70]

I've liked him from the start.

Obviously it got really hard to defend him when we went on the bad run of results and performances prior to the World Cup but I've found him to be an endearing character.

Sometimes I think he talks too much, says too much and runs the risk of either getting himself into trouble or bringing unwarranted criticism on himself. But we're a fairly guarded lot in the East of Scotland and I guess he maybe just has a slightly different, more positive and open outlook than the dourness I'm more familiar with.

Yeah, happy positive people are annoying, **** off to LinkedIn with that patter Johnson.

Of course I’m joking, I liked him at first and felt he was a breath of fresh air, was just a few things during our bad run I just thought ‘shut up man’, I do think there’s definitely something likeable about him, I’d be lying if I said I’ve always felt like that about him all season though.

[bingo70]

Our fans believing a Jambo @rsehole that our manager was out on the pi$$ rather than our manager's (perfectly reasonable) explanation is annoying.

You can’t go for a family meal in mad dogs, or whatever it’s called now, that’s where I get annoyed about it. He was also in the Scotsman lounge much earlier than that, again, with no family and not having a family meal. He wasn’t drinking in the Scotsman lounge so I’m not suggesting he was out on the piss.

That said, it’s water under the bridge now and what’s done is done. I bet he won’t do it again which shows to me he misjudged the situation (and it wasn’t a difficult situation to judge and predict what would happen), I just thought it was annoying at the time and an error of judgement from him at a time when he needed that least. IMO it gave a perception of either not caring or not understanding the rivalry, neither is a good look.

[007]

You can’t go for a family meal in mad dogs, or whatever it’s called now, that’s where I get annoyed about it. He was also in the Scotsman lounge much earlier than that, again, with no family and not having a family meal. He wasn’t drinking in the Scotsman lounge so I’m not suggesting he was out on the piss.

That said, it’s water under the bridge now and what’s done is done. I bet he won’t do it again which shows to me he misjudged the situation (and it wasn’t a difficult situation to judge and predict what would happen), I just thought it was annoying at the time and an error of judgement from him at a time when he needed that least. IMO it gave a perception of either not caring or not understanding the rivalry, neither is a good look.

I just think our default position should always be that Jambos are lying bassas and we'll be right more often than not. Regardless of how it could be perceived, our response should have been to either ignore it or tell the Jambo to P off. Instead we gave them exactly what they wanted and wet our pants about it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Our fans believing a Jambo @rsehole that our manager was out on the pi$$ rather than our manager's (perfectly reasonable) explanation is annoying.

I’m not sure claiming you were having a family meal in a place that doesn’t sell food without your family being there is a perfectly reasonable explanation!

[WeeRussell]

I find it odd that people would take a personal dislike to him, am not sure what he has said and done to warrant that? He is refreshing when compared to the usual rehearsed rhetoric we get from managers (such as Jack Ross) who manage to not say anything, Lee at least has his own view, his own points to make and get across his views in his own way.

I’m not sure either, but I don’t dislike him.

It’s up to others whether they do or not. There are a lot of celebrities and people within Scottish football etc that I don’t like, without having ever met them.

Me/us telling people “aye but Goodwin is a dick, Johnson isn’t” kind of goes against the whole idea of people deciding for themselves.

[Iain G]

I’m not sure either, but I don’t dislike him.

It’s up to others whether they do or not. There are a lot of celebrities and people within Scottish football etc that I don’t like, without having ever met them.

Me/us telling people “aye but Goodwin is a dick, Johnson isn’t” kind of goes against the whole idea of people deciding for themselves.

Goodwin is a dick though 🤣

It's more about their behaviours and I have yet to see LJ do anything in and around a match or in an interview where I have thought "I don't like him", whereas Badloss and Martindale and a few others behave like dicks around a match and in interviews and that behaviour make it easier to not like them.

LJ has conducted himself pretty well and seems pretty level headed.

[WeeRussell]

Goodwin is a dick though 🤣

Completely agree 😁

[Hibbyradge]

I find it odd that people take a personal dislike to some they don’t know personally.

I found him a bit annoying at times when we were losing but that was maybe just down to me being in a bad mood because we were losing? Going on about players IQ annoyed me more than I should as it’s just not language I can relate to when talking about football. I thought it was unnecessary and an attempt to show he had a higher footballing IQ than us mere mortals who wouldn’t understand that kind of thing. I understand what he meant but I just thought it was annoying.

He also did a very strange interview where he said he gave youth players a chance by showing them manners in the corridor or something like that. I found that baffling at the time and I still don’t get it.

I didn’t like he was out on George Street the night before a derby and l didn’t like the (clearly nonsense) reasoning he gave for it afterwards so that annoyed me.

Overall though, I’m as fickle as they come and if we’re winning and playing well I care not a jot about any of the above.

I don't know Boris Johnson or Trump. Is it odd that I have a personal dislike of them. I dislike them with every fibre of my being? I'd actually dislike them with every fibre of your body too if that was possible.

Edit: And Rylan.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not sure claiming you were having a family meal in a place that doesn’t sell food without your family being there is a perfectly reasonable explanation!
At the time it was said he was out on the p*ss and was apparently all started by some jambos stirring it up which in turn on lead to Lee Johnson getting condemned and ridiculed. Maybe the guy did have a meal somewhere before moving on to another place for a couple of drinks . Personally I had no problem with him being out for a meal or a few drinks , the guys got to live too . He said his nan was up and he had a meal and was home at 9:45ish . Don't see were the problem is myself and I'm certainly not going to doubt his word on it over some hertz fans .

[matty_f]

At the time it was said he was out on the p*ss and was apparently all started by some jambos stirring it up which in turn on lead to Lee Johnson getting condemned and ridiculed. Maybe the guy did have a meal somewhere before moving on to another place for a couple of drinks . Personally I had no problem with him being out for a meal or a few drinks , the guys got to live too . He said his nan was up and he had a meal and was home at 9:45ish . Don't see were the problem is myself and I'm certainly not going to doubt his word on it over some hertz fans .

Spot on. I never got the outrage with it, can you imagine your customers telling you that you’re not allowed out if you’ve got work the next day?

[bingo70]

Spot on. I never got the outrage with it, can you imagine your customers telling you that you’re not allowed out if you’ve got work the next day?

I think when you take on a high profile job you know that’s the nature of the beast though.

It’s not that it shouldn’t be an issue, he wasn’t drinking after all (I think that makes a big difference), it was just obvious that there would be the reaction there was. I was amazed he didn’t see that coming.

[007]

At the time it was said he was out on the p*ss and was apparently all started by some jambos stirring it up which in turn on lead to Lee Johnson getting condemned and ridiculed. Maybe the guy did have a meal somewhere before moving on to another place for a couple of drinks . Personally I had no problem with him being out for a meal or a few drinks , the guys got to live too . He said his nan was up and he had a meal and was home at 9:45ish . Don't see were the problem is myself and I'm certainly not going to doubt his word on it over some hertz fans .

Thanks. No need for me to now answer. 🙂👍

[Iain G]

I don't know Boris Johnson or Trump. Is it odd that I have a personal dislike of them. I dislike them with every fibre of my being? I'd actually dislike them with every fibre of your body too if that was possible.

Edit: And Rylan.

I need to add Michael McIntyre to your list...but it's a fully rational hatred

[Paulie Walnuts]

At the time it was said he was out on the p*ss and was apparently all started by some jambos stirring it up which in turn on lead to Lee Johnson getting condemned and ridiculed. Maybe the guy did have a meal somewhere before moving on to another place for a couple of drinks . Personally I had no problem with him being out for a meal or a few drinks , the guys got to live too . He said his nan was up and he had a meal and was home at 9:45ish . Don't see were the problem is myself and I'm certainly not going to doubt his word on it over some hertz fans .

That’s all well and good but the picture, which was in Maddogs (or whatever it’s called now) is what sparked the discussion and his response was that he was having a family meal with his family. He wasn’t, he was in Maddogs which doesn’t serve food and was without his family. I’m not sure how that can be classed as a perfectly reasonable explanation when it’s blatantly untrue in terms of the photo which is what caused all the discussion.

If someone takes a photo of me in Maddogs on a Saturday at 11pm I’d look a bit daft maintaining a stance of ‘I was simply at the Hibs game’ which kicked off at 3pm. Yes, I might have been at the Hibs game earlier on in the day, but that’s not what the discussion would be around.

LJ quite clearly knew he’d done wrong or he wouldn’t have attempted to spin the story to make it look like he’d simply went for a meal with his family and went home.

[flash]

That’s all well and good but the picture, which was in Maddogs (or whatever it’s called now) is what sparked the discussion and his response was that he was having a family meal with his family. He wasn’t, he was in Maddogs. I’m not sure how that can be classed as a perfectly reasonable explanation when it’s blatantly untrue in terms of the photo which is what caused all the discussion.

If someone takes a photo of me in Maddogs on a Saturday at 11pm I’d look a bit daft maintaining a stance of ‘I was simply at the Hibs game’ which kicked off at 3pm. Yes, I might have been at the Hibs game earlier on in the day, but that’s not what sparked the discussion.

LJ quite clearly knew he’d done wrong or he wouldn’t have attempted to spin the story to make it look like he’d simply went for a meal with his family and went home.

Jeez take a day off.

[blackpoolhibs]

That’s all well and good but the picture, which was in Maddogs (or whatever it’s called now) is what sparked the discussion and his response was that he was having a family meal with his family. He wasn’t, he was in Maddogs. I’m not sure how that can be classed as a perfectly reasonable explanation when it’s blatantly untrue in terms of the photo which is what caused all the discussion.

If someone takes a photo of me in Maddogs on a Saturday at 11pm I’d look a bit daft maintaining a stance of ‘I was simply at the Hibs game’ which kicked off at 3pm. Yes, I might have been at the Hibs game earlier on in the day, but that’s not what the discussion would be around.

LJ quite clearly knew he’d done wrong or he wouldn’t have attempted to spin the story to make it look like he’d simply went for a meal with his family and went home.

LJ didnt do anything wrong, he is entitled to go out whenever he likes wherever he likes. What he can also do is lose lots of games and still keep his job.

What he cant do is keep losing to those gimps across town, because if we had beaten them, most normal folk would have taken him to maddogs and bought him drink all night.

[Percy Vere]

Unbelievable
The guy can do whatever the f…he wants to do. Didn’t realise when you took the Hibs job you had to be in bed by 9pm every night.

[Smartie]

If Coach Beard can have the sort of night out he has and still be at his desk, fresh as a daisy the next day then surely Lee Johnson can too.

[WhileTheChief..]

Literally posters have said no matter what, they'll never like Lee Johnson. It's pathetic. Strange version of a supporter if you won't ever support the manager.

If we'd had Boyle and Nisbet all season we'd be 3rd. Easily worth 5 points those 2.

Nah, that's nonsense.

Plenty folk hated on Lennon, Calderwood and Butcher as examples. Did you think the fans were pathetic then, yourself included?!

Why do you need everyone to like him? What difference does it make?

We're all supporting him, but a few folk haven't taken to him. Hardly pathetic or a big deal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Unbelievable
The guy can do whatever the f…he wants to do. Didn’t realise when you took the Hibs job you had to be in bed by 9pm every night.

Every night? Who has suggested that?

There’s nothing like a huge bit of hyperbole to make your argument look a bit silly.

[WhileTheChief..]

Its like some of our fans have just decided not to like Lee Johnson and are waiting for the team to have a defeat so they can turn on him again ( that's what it feels like). Wonder is part of it down to getting Lee Johnson instead of JDT?.I really don't get the ' he's a slaver comments ' think he talks well and is honest and I agree and understand with most of what he says when doing interviews.

Some of the posters that criticised him when we weren't going well actually tried to make out it was right to do so when truth be told it went away beyond healthy criticism imo . It's inevitable that he will lose a few games again at some point though I'm going to continue backing him . He's a good manager that's improved players like Campbell and Youan and I'm really enjoying watching Hibs playing a very good attacking style of football too.

You've been banging on about this for months, we know your thoughts on some of us.

Here's the thing, folk have different views about different things. Your take on Porteous, for example, was far worse than anything I have ever said about LJ. Nobody is still crucifying you for it though.

How about letting it go and enjoying the fact that we're all on the same page for the time being instead of post after post of "told you so"? All you're doing is keeping the negativity going.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nah, that's nonsense.

Plenty folk hated on Lennon, Calderwood and Butcher as examples. Did you think the fans were pathetic then, yourself included?!

Why do you need everyone to like him? What difference does it make?

We're all supporting him, but a few folk haven't taken to him. Hardly pathetic or a big deal.

Someone on here suggested they would never be able to support the next Hibs manager after JR got sacked (before even knowing who it was going to be) simply because he wasn’t Jack Ross.

[Lago]

Nah, that's nonsense.

Plenty folk hated on Lennon, Calderwood and Butcher as examples. Did you think the fans were pathetic then, yourself included?!

Why do you need everyone to like him? What difference does it make?

We're all supporting him, but a few folk haven't taken to him. Hardly pathetic or a big deal.
A few folk?? Bit of an understatement on your part, some of reasons used for disliking him are irrational.

[hibsbollah]

That’s all well and good but the picture, which was in Maddogs (or whatever it’s called now) is what sparked the discussion and his response was that he was having a family meal with his family. He wasn’t, he was in Maddogs which doesn’t serve food and was without his family. I’m not sure how that can be classed as a perfectly reasonable explanation when it’s blatantly untrue in terms of the photo which is what caused all the discussion.

If someone takes a photo of me in Maddogs on a Saturday at 11pm I’d look a bit daft maintaining a stance of ‘I was simply at the Hibs game’ which kicked off at 3pm. Yes, I might have been at the Hibs game earlier on in the day, but that’s not what the discussion would be around.

LJ quite clearly knew he’d done wrong or he wouldn’t have attempted to spin the story to make it look like he’d simply went for a meal with his family and went home.

I don’t really give a monkeys what he does in Maddogs as long as it doesn’t impact upon his day job. He could be drinking a vat of BlueWKD and humping three supermodels simultaneously. I just don’t think it matters to the day to day.

[Donegal Hibby]

That’s all well and good but the picture, which was in Maddogs (or whatever it’s called now) is what sparked the discussion and his response was that he was having a family meal with his family. He wasn’t, he was in Maddogs which doesn’t serve food and was without his family. I’m not sure how that can be classed as a perfectly reasonable explanation when it’s blatantly untrue in terms of the photo which is what caused all the discussion.

If someone takes a photo of me in Maddogs on a Saturday at 11pm I’d look a bit daft maintaining a stance of ‘I was simply at the Hibs game’ which kicked off at 3pm. Yes, I might have been at the Hibs game earlier on in the day, but that’s not what the discussion would be around.

LJ quite clearly knew he’d done wrong or he wouldn’t have attempted to spin the story to make it look like he’d simply went for a meal with his family and went home.
Could he not have had a meal before he went to maddogs with a family member or members? And decided to have a couple of drinks afterwards which is where the picture was taken, he had said he had a meal with his nan who was up in Edinburgh .

You mentioned if someone takes a photo of you at 11 o'clock you'd look abit daft .Johnson had stated he was back home 9:45 ish so i don't know were the 11 o'clock time is coming from. The simple truth of this situation is it was all started by hertz fans trying to stir up trouble and sadly many fell for it on here calling LJ out on it without having any real idea of what the actual true facts were !

I don't think he does think he's done anything wrong and rightly so . I don't see anything wrong with our manager going for a meal and having afew drinks afterwards and then going home early . He seemed quite annoyed he was set up by hertz fans and explained what happened . As I said the guys entitled to live a little and have a life as well as being our manager though the reaction on here at the time felt like he should have been locked up all day with a chain and ball on .

[bingo70]

Could he not have had a meal before he went to maddogs with a family member or members? And decided to have a couple of drinks afterwards which is where the picture was taken, he had said he had a meal with his nan who was up in Edinburgh .

You mentioned if someone takes a photo of you at 11 o'clock you'd look abit daft .Johnson had stated he was back home 9:45 ish so i don't know were the 11 o'clock time is coming from. The simple truth of this situation is it was all started by hertz fans trying to stir up trouble and sadly many fell for it on here calling LJ out on it without having any real idea of what the actual true facts were !

I don't think he does think he's done anything wrong and rightly so . I don't see anything wrong with our manager going for a meal and having afew drinks afterwards and then going home early . He seemed quite annoyed he was set up by hertz fans and explained what happened . As I said the guys entitled to live a little and have a life as well as being our manager though the reaction on here at the time felt like he should have been locked up all day with a chain and ball on .

Do you think he’d do it again?

[Donegal Hibby]

Do you think he’d do it again?
Honestly I don't know he might if his nan or family is up in Edinburgh before a big game though I do think he will be more wary about getting set up by hertz fans again and that probably did take him by surprise I'd imagine.

[bingo70]

Honestly I don't know he might if his nan or family is up in Edinburgh before a big game though I do think he will be more wary about getting set up by hertz fans again and that probably did take him by surprise I'd imagine.

And I suppose that is my point.

It was naive of him to think that wouldn’t happen and wouldn’t be an issue. I’m surprised he was surprised. Especially when he was under a lot of pressure at the time.

What’s happened has happened and it isn’t a huge deal now, i am back liking him (for now 😜) but at the time his naivety in that situation annoyed me, possibly more than it should have. I personally don’t believe the explanation he has given since which again didn’t help either.

Ultimately though, things like that aren’t going to be deal breakers either way, if we’re winning and playing well I don’t care. If we’re losing, like we did after that night we things like that will annoy me.

[MWHIBBIES]

Nah, that's nonsense.

Plenty folk hated on Lennon, Calderwood and Butcher as examples. Did you think the fans were pathetic then, yourself included?!

Why do you need everyone to like him? What difference does it make?

We're all supporting him, but a few folk haven't taken to him. Hardly pathetic or a big deal.

I didn't ever dislike a Hibs manager based on anything other than results and how they acted towards the club.

Imo, disliking a manager and saying you'll never ever change your mind is absolutely pathetic, yes.

I didn't say I needed everyone to like him. I am thoroughly enjoying him proving people wrong, yourself included.

[WhileTheChief..]

I didn't ever dislike a Hibs manager based on anything other than results and how they acted towards the club.

Imo, disliking a manager and saying you'll never ever change your mind is absolutely pathetic, yes.

I didn't say I needed everyone to like him. I am thoroughly enjoying him proving people wrong, yourself included.

Whist the rest of us enjoy the results!!

Surprised you give me any thoughts whatsoever, never mind getting enjoyment from it. You crack on though.

[WhileTheChief..]

I didn't ever dislike a Hibs manager based on anything other than results and how they acted towards the club.

Imo, disliking a manager and saying you'll never ever change your mind is absolutely pathetic, yes.

I didn't say I needed everyone to like him. I am thoroughly enjoying him proving people wrong, yourself included.

Which is exactly the same scenario here. You think I don't like him for another reason?

[jacomo]

I need to add Michael McIntyre to your list...but it's a fully rational hatred


I’ve met him and can confirm your opinion is correct.

[hibsbollah]

Which is exactly the same scenario here. You think I don't like him for another reason?

His pointy shoes are shan.
In fact he dresses poorly most of the time.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Could he not have had a meal before he went to maddogs with a family member or members? And decided to have a couple of drinks afterwards which is where the picture was taken, he had said he had a meal with his nan who was up in Edinburgh .

You mentioned if someone takes a photo of you at 11 o'clock you'd look abit daft .Johnson had stated he was back home 9:45 ish so i don't know were the 11 o'clock time is coming from. The simple truth of this situation is it was all started by hertz fans trying to stir up trouble and sadly many fell for it on here calling LJ out on it without having any real idea of what the actual true facts were !

I don't think he does think he's done anything wrong and rightly so . I don't see anything wrong with our manager going for a meal and having afew drinks afterwards and then going home early . He seemed quite annoyed he was set up by hertz fans and explained what happened . As I said the guys entitled to live a little and have a life as well as being our manager though the reaction on here at the time felt like he should have been locked up all day with a chain and ball on .

He could have. The photo that started the whole thing though was taken elsewhere, in a place where his family weren’t with him and they don’t do food, so using that as an excuse for being in Maddogs the night before a derby is just daft. He quite clearly deliberately avoided addressing that part when he said he went out for dinner with his family, most likely because he realised being in a bar on George Street the night before a derby was a terrible idea in hindsight.

My point re 11 o’clock is that he was using the fact he was somewhere else earlier in the day to address the fact he was in Maddogs at night. The fact he was out earlier in the day doing something is irrelevant to the fact he was in Maddogs without his family that he’s telling us he was out with.

You mention he’s entitled to live a little and have a life but nobody has suggested he isn’t. The night before a derby isn’t the time to do that though. The players are at home and not allowed to be out gallivanting around the town late at night, the manager should be doing the same as them.

As Bingo said, I highly suspect we’ll never see him do it again which tells a story in itself. For all the talk of him being set up by Hearts fans he really set himself up by being so naive.

[MWHIBBIES]

Which is exactly the same scenario here. You think I don't like him for another reason?

I didn't say this was about you.

You've been on his back from day one because you'd have been more excited by Roy Keane, though.

[Donegal Hibby]

He could have. The photo that started the whole thing though was taken elsewhere, in a place where his family weren’t with him and they don’t do food, so using that as an excuse for being in Maddogs the night before a derby is just daft. He quite clearly deliberately avoided addressing that part when he said he went out for dinner with his family, most likely because he realised being in a bar on George Street the night before a derby was a terrible idea in hindsight.

My point re 11 o’clock is that he was using the fact he was somewhere else earlier in the day to address the fact he was in Maddogs at night. The fact he was out earlier in the day doing something is irrelevant to the fact he was in Maddogs without his family that he’s telling us he was out with.

You mention he’s entitled to live a little and have a life but nobody has suggested he isn’t. The night before a derby isn’t the time to do that though. The players are at home and not allowed to be out gallivanting around the town late at night, the manager should be doing the same as them.

As Bingo said, I highly suspect we’ll never see him do it again which tells a story in itself. For all the talk of him being set up by Hearts fans he really set himself up by being so naive.
That's my point he could have had meal before hand , his nan was in Edinburgh who's 83 and he was probably out for a meal with her and I don't know what kind of place maddogs is though doesn't sound like a place you'd take your 83 year old Nan too 😁 . So maybe another member of the family took his nan home and he decided to have a night cap before going home . You keep saying he was out that " NIGHT" and yet he said he was home at 9:45 which is early enough.

The NIGHT ( again) why isn't it not the time to do it ? If he was home at 9:45 he could have been out for the meal at a normal dinner time 5 or 6 o'clock , what kind of curfew should we put on him then ? 2 , 3 o'clock? , Takeaways only ? . Most of us I'm sure at some point have had a meal and maybe a couple of drinks the night before work or had a night out on soft drinks . It really isn't that big of a deal imo .

I'm not really going to surmise wither Johnson will go out before a big game though if his family come up there's absolutely nothing wrong in him doing so again though maybe he will change were he goes the next time . I don't think he's done anything wrong at all and has definitely been set up by some hertz t**ts which is a real nasty and lousy trick they done trying to tarnish the guys reputation in fairness, it was also done to probably wind up the fans which it did with some as there was a outrage at the time about it . Me personally I had no problems with it whatsoever so the hertz f***ers that done it only exceeded in wasting there time .

Lee Johnson's green n white army :hibees

[WeeRussell]

In all seriousness, the fact the biggest argument on the main forum is about where Lee Johnson’s Nan should be going for tea, shows how much things have improved over the past few weeks.

[Since452]

In all seriousness, the fact the biggest argument on the main forum is about where Lee Johnson’s Nan should be going for tea, shows how much things have improved over the past few weeks.

😂 Was thinking exactly the same. Long may it continue.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That's my point he could have had meal before hand , his nan was in Edinburgh who's 83 and he was probably out for a meal with her and I don't know what kind of place maddogs is though doesn't sound like a place you'd take your 83 year old Nan too 😁 . So maybe another member of the family took his nan home and he decided to have a night cap before going home . You keep saying he was out that " NIGHT" and yet he said he was home at 9:45 which is early enough.

The NIGHT ( again) why isn't it not the time to do it ? If he was home at 9:45 he could have been out for the meal at a normal dinner time 5 or 6 o'clock , what kind of curfew should we put on him then ? 2 , 3 o'clock? , Takeaways only ? . Most of us I'm sure at some point have had a meal and maybe a couple of drinks the night before work or had a night out on soft drinks . It really isn't that big of a deal imo .

I'm not really going to surmise wither Johnson will go out before a big game though if his family come up there's absolutely nothing wrong in him doing so again though maybe he will change were he goes the next time . I don't think he's done anything wrong at all and has definitely been set up by some hertz t**ts which is a real nasty and lousy trick they done trying to tarnish the guys reputation in fairness, it was also done to probably wind up the fans which it did with some as there was a outrage at the time about it . Me personally I had no problems with it whatsoever so the hertz f***ers that done it only exceeded in wasting there time .

Lee Johnson's green n white army :hibees

Why is the night before a derby not the time to be out drinking up the town? If you really need to ask that then we’ll be best just agreeing to disagree and leave it there.

As for other people having done it, I’m going to hazard a guess nobody on here works in a job like professional football at Hibs level. The fact that John the project manager at RBS or the likes has done it before isn’t really a similar comparison to professional football.

[Smartie]

In all seriousness, the fact the biggest argument on the main forum is about where Lee Johnson’s Nan should be going for tea, shows how much things have improved over the past few weeks.

:greengrin

Spot on.

[Donegal Hibby]

Why is the night before a derby not the time to be out drinking up the town? If you really need to ask that then we’ll be best just agreeing to disagree and leave it there.

As for other people having done it, I’m going to hazard a guess nobody on here works in a job like professional football at Hibs level. The fact that John the project manager at RBS or the likes has done it before isn’t really a similar comparison to professional football.
He wasn't out the night before the derby , he was out in the evening and home at 9:45 which is a entirely different matter . Also if he wants to dine out and have a couple of drinks it's hardly going to effect him managing our team imo. You don't know by any chance what he was drinking and how many he had btw ?

[WeeRussell]

He wasn't out the night before the derby , he was out in the evening and home at 9:45 which is a entirely different matter . Also if he wants to dine out and have a couple of drinks it's hardly going to effect him managing our team imo. You don't know by any chance what he was drinking and how many he had btw ?

2 pints of lager and a packet of crisps.

[WhileTheChief..]

I didn't say this was about you.

You've been on his back from day one because you'd have been more excited by Roy Keane, though.

Nah.

I didn't want him, then i was fully behind him, then i wanted rid of him and now I'm happy enough with him.

Forgot all about Keane. Why do you mention it?

[Paulie Walnuts]

He wasn't out the night before the derby , he was out in the evening and home at 9:45 which is an entirely different matter . Also if he wants to dine out and have a couple of drinks it's hardly going to effect him managing our team imo. You don't know by any chance what he was drinking and how many he had btw ?

:faf:

Ok I’m not arguing about whether 9.45 is night time or not, it’s just a bit silly now.

[Iain G]

In all seriousness, the fact the biggest argument on the main forum is about where Lee Johnson’s Nan should be going for tea, shows how much things have improved over the past few weeks.

Should have taken her to Fingers 🤣

[Hibbyradge]

2 pints of lager and a packet of crisps.

Is it A.D. yet?

[007]

Should have taken her to Fingers 🤣

He did but she got ID'd and was too young.

[Hibbyradge]

He did but she got ID'd and was too young.

:greengrin

Very droll!

[Northernhibee]

Times up.

[Scottie]

Bye bye Ted Lasso :agree:

[SteveHFC]

Get to **** Lee.

[Hibs90]

Take your mate Kensell with you Lee on your way out.

Charlatans.

[Steve20]

He should never have still been at the club. Last season was a horrible watch. Out of both cups as soon as possible and the performances were crap in the league. Finished below poor Aberdeen and Hearts teams.

So, yes he should be out. But he’s not going to be.

[Stuart93]

He’ll be very lucky to keep his job after this.

No chance if we go out next week and he should be told as much at full time tonight

[Gatecrasher]

I was actually looking forward to the season until this, the warning signs were there in the friendlies but I just gave the benefit of the doubt. I'm just sad at how bad we are.

[Hiber-nation]

No doubt about it, he can't possibly keep his job if we get knocked out by this mob.

[007]

At least wait until the tie is over.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He should never have still been at the club. Last season was a horrible watch. Out of both cups as soon as possible and the performances were crap in the league. Finished below poor Aberdeen and Hearts teams.

So, yes he should be out. But he’s not going to be.

:agree:

He failed by every measure that we apparently set for him. On top of that he got boabbied by Hearts twice in a couple of weeks.

There’s no reason he should still be here.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yip, a slaver who's never going to improve us. GTF YOU FU++++ IMPOSTER.

[overdrive]

At least wait until the tie is over.

No chance. He needs to go at full time.

[keep the faith]

🤣 The usuals cant even wait until the end of our first competitive game!!

[WhileTheChief..]

Roy Keane couldn't have done any worse :greengrin :offski:

[Northernhibee]

Roy Keane couldn't have done ay worse :greengrin :offski:

Roy Cropper couldn’t have done worse.

[Keith_M]

I wasn't entirely convinced when this thread was started in January but I've been well and truly won over now.


Johnson, your taxi's here.

:taxi