Johnson Out

[bingo70]

Gobsmacked.

To me it can only be a big **** you to those in charge of the team.

[Bronson]

Kenneh liking hearts tweets after beating us yesterday. Another one that can go.

Ones of them celebrating as well. Not innocent or accidental, a quite obvious f*** you to us. Attitudes like his are a cancer on our club.

[McGruber]

It's a shocker if he has but will wait to see what comes of it before passing judgement. His account? Troublemaker got his phone? Who knows. Can't be daft enough to have done that

[Del Boy]

We are an absolute embarrassment on the park but even more so off it. Kenneh cannot have a future at Hibs.

[WestStandWillie]

Immature. Get him punted.

[GreenCastle]

Just had a look and couldn’t see it in his likes ? Deleted it or fake account.

[Jones28]

Just had a look and couldn’t see it in his likes ? Deleted it or fake account.

He's seen sense hopefully. I'd rather keep Kenneh than Johnson.

[CallumHibs07]

folk making excuses for him predictably. **** player, get him to ****

[Bronson]

Claims he was hacked so he’s a Judas and a liar then. No one is hacking his account to like 2 hearts tweets and then log out. Must think we were born yesterday.

[bingo70]

Just had a look and couldn’t see it in his likes ? Deleted it or fake account.

Definitely his account, he must have unliked the tweets.

[aberhibsfc]

Lenton! Jesus Christ.

:faf:

[007]

Kenneh liking hearts tweets after beating us yesterday. Another one that can go.

Can only see Hibs ones he's liked.

[007]

Lenton! Jesus Christ.

40 days of Lenton. Probably about how long it'd last. 🤔

[JohnM1875]

Claims he was hacked so he’s a Judas and a liar then. No one is hacking his account to like 2 hearts tweets and then log out. Must think we were born yesterday.

Exactly 😂

[sleeping giant]

Claims he was hacked so he’s a Judas and a liar then. No one is hacking his account to like 2 hearts tweets and then log out. Must think we were born yesterday.

Wheres he said this ?

[Bronson]

Wheres he said this ?

Replied to a hibs fan calling him out. Check his tweets & replies tab you’ll see it on there

[Aldo]

Claims he was hacked so he’s a Judas and a liar then. No one is hacking his account to like 2 hearts tweets and then log out. Must think we were born yesterday.

Total and utter disrespect towards the club snd more importantly the fans!

Should be nowhere near the club after this!

[Is It On....]

x2 0-3 v Hearts. Never been ahead in the 3 games, only been drawing for 40 mins in total!

1-4 V Aberdeen

1-6 & 0-4 V Celtic

Out both cups at first attempt.

Only three league wins against 11 players this season.

Crazy team selections, defenders in midfield, midfielders in defence, subs made on 97 mins.

Players hate him.

Cant see how anyone can defend him TBH.

2nd last line I have no knowledge to agree or disagree but the rest looks right on the money.

[SaulGoodman]

No one is “hacking” Kenneh’s twitter account. Never mind hacking it to like two Hearts tweets and then calling it a day 🤣🤣

[RossScott1991]

What do we think would be our next approach to managers? Last list was underwhelming

I can’t think of anyone new to add to that.

If it was inexperienced rookie side then I could see Scott Brown with Whittaker as his assistant being in contention one day.

But state of club right now feel like we need a experienced pair of hands but one that definitely knows the league

[JimBHibees]

It’s common knowledge. Not just me who has heard it (and from two different sources) a number of others have too.

Footballers are always very good at finding excuses for poor performance

[JimBHibees]

If the players who continually let us down, some of them for years, don't like the manager and are moaning about him then i'm backing the manager to get them them out of our club pronto and get players in that are ready and willing to knuckle down and give everything for him.

Players having all the power, particularly ***** ones, does my head in.

Couldn't agree more

[GreenGray]

What do we think would be our next approach to managers? Last list was underwhelming

I can’t think of anyone new to add to that.

If it was inexperienced rookie side then I could see Scott Brown with Whittaker as his assistant being in contention one day.

But state of club right now feel like we need a experienced pair of hands but one that definitely knows the league

Paul Lambert has a decent CV for this level, however hasn't managed up here for a while.

Owen Coyle is a someone I would consider, doing well in Championship.

James McPake has Dunfermline flying but coming from League 1 is a big jump, I thought he was treated harshly at Dundee.

If not I would take a foreign manager who has knowledge of foreign players who would do well in this league (Postecoglu style) however I am not sure this would fit in with the plan for a DOF with a background in Scottish football.

[McGruber]

No one is “hacking” Kenneh’s twitter account. Never mind hacking it to like two Hearts tweets and then calling it a day 🤣🤣

Maybe it was LJ trying to force him out 🤔

[JimBHibees]

There was 100% talk that Ross and Maloney had lost the dressing room and were disliked, it goes around every time we are on a bad run

Playing like the hate the manager is again similar to “not playing for him” and “lost the dressing room” etc.

I’m just always sceptical when I hear stuff like this.

It always seems to be Hibs that players dislike the manager whether it’s Collins, Lennon, Ross, Maloney or now Johnson.

Totally agree it's like a gossips charter.

[ScottB]

What do we think would be our next approach to managers? Last list was underwhelming

I can’t think of anyone new to add to that.

If it was inexperienced rookie side then I could see Scott Brown with Whittaker as his assistant being in contention one day.

But state of club right now feel like we need a experienced pair of hands but one that definitely knows the league

I think for me, it’s avoiding failures.

Somebody like Johnson just always felt like it’d be pretty poor; drifted around England, sacked from a few gigs. He was never likely to turn up here and inspire eye catching football on the way to winning trophies and European football.

So that leaves either being somebodies first job, or a next step climbing the ladder after being successful at a lower level. Either of those would appeal to me more than some Scottish / English league journeyman who is never likely to go on to a higher level than he’s already been at, or been sacked from.

[Logie]

LJ has to go. We can’t keep him because we sack too many managers seriously what is he working on with the players on a full time basis at EM? I’m not buying a motivated man manager can’t get more out of these players at least get them defending properly for a start. Some players do lack ability however on the whole I think we have a decent enough squad that is way underperforming, since celtic away we have only taken backwards steps. Even bring in a temp manager until end of season concentrate on DOF and let him review the playing side of things then identify a strong manager to take us forward. LJ has lost the players and the fans he’s had his chance.

[truehibernian]

Ahhhh the good old ‘my account was hacked’ defence 😂 bye bye Kenneh.

[JohnM1875]

Can't see us making any announcements now, surprised he’s managed to survive two 3-0 derby defeats. Surprised and pissed off he has.

[silverhibee]

To me it can only be a big **** you to those in charge of the team.

Just goes to show how toxic things are at Hibs.

[MWHIBBIES]

Probably also relevant that a lot of Johnson’s wins have been against 10 men as well.

Also relevant that Maloney's were in the cup against Cove, Arbroath etc. He was far worse than Johnson in the league.

[LaMotta]

Also relevant that Maloney's were in the cup against Cove, Arbroath etc. He was far worse than Johnson in the league.

And his only exciting victory (at Fir Park) we played against 10 men for 89 minutes.

[h1bs4life]

I keep reading posts like yours. Did these players get managers “sacked” ‘cos they weren’t trying or ‘cos they weren’t good enough yet were continually picked by those same managers ? Players neither sign nor pick themselves.

No idea what you are talking about, why do managers get sacked? Usually because the team / players he picks are not up to it.
Onto the next manager he gets sacked usually because the team / players he picks are not up to it and repeat .
I have been hoping for a few years now that the next manager would come in and empty the players that have been here far too long and another Derby drubbing doesn't make a difference to what is probably a very poor Derby record
they have . The next manager comes in and it happens again .
Johnson probably should probably go but if its the seasoned pros he is upsetting then I am all for giving him more time.

[bingo70]

Also relevant that Maloney's were in the cup against Cove, Arbroath etc. He was far worse than Johnson in the league.

I think they were/are both ***** and I certainly don’t want to look like im defending either of them.

[HendoDelivered]

The only reason he hasn’t been sacked yet is because the clowns running our club don’t want to look like the amateurs they are for getting yet another appointment disastrously wrong, so they are hoping/praying he turns it around. But we all know and can see that’s not gonna happen. The guy has lost most of the fans and dressing room… no way back.

[Lester B]

Gross misconduct, sackable offence, no compensation, get him out.

It's nowhere near gross misconduct

[Since452]

The only reason he hasn’t been sacked yet is because the clowns running our club don’t want to look like the amateurs they are for getting yet another appointment disastrously wrong, so they are hoping/praying he turns it around. But we all know and can see that’s not gonna happen. The guy has lost most of the fans and dressing room… no way back.

Said the same a while ago. No danger is Kensell going want two quick fire sackings on his CV. Not after the "meticulous process" they went through to get LJ. Career suicide. He'll be hoping a DoF changes our fortunes.

[Aldo]

It's nowhere near gross misconduct

I can think of a few other things but I’d get banned.

He should never play for us again imho!

[jeffers]

No idea what you are talking about, why do managers get sacked? Usually because the team / players he picks are not up to it.
Onto the next manager he gets sacked usually because the team / players he picks are not up to it and repeat .
I have been hoping for a few years now that the next manager would come in and empty the players that have been here far too long and another Derby drubbing doesn't make a difference to what is probably a very poor Derby record
they have . The next manager comes in and it happens again .
Johnson probably should probably go but if its the seasoned pros he is upsetting then I am all for giving him more time.

OK I’ll make it simple for you. Your post said it was OK if Johnson had upset seasoned pros because they had been responsible for previous managers getting the sack. Either you believe they aren’t trying, in which case I’d support your argument or you accept it’s ‘cos they aren’t good enough and want him to be given more time ‘cos he’s upsetting guys who are trying their best ? That’s great man management.

[MWHIBBIES]

Kenneh should've sent love hearts to a 15 year girl like Sibbick did, thats apparently how you get fans to support and love you. Nonces. So glad I was raised a Hibby.

[S4uzee]

Kenneh should've sent love hearts to a 15 year girl like Sibbick, thats apparently how you get fans to support and love you. Nonces. So glad I was raised a Hibby.

That’s what he did?

[Aldo]

That’s what he did?

Sibbick yes

[hibsbollah]

Kenneh should've sent love hearts to a 15 year girl like Sibbick, thats apparently how you get fans to support and love you. Nonces. So glad I was raised a Hibby.

I thought you were saying Kenneh is sending love hearts to Sibbick. It gets worse

[MWHIBBIES]

I thought you were saying Kenneh is sending love hearts to Sibbick. It gets worse

:greengrin

[California-Hibs]

Youan liked the full time picture Hibs put up on Instagram. Honestly not sure what goes on in his brain to do that after the result. So stupid.

[greenlex]

Youan liked the full time picture Hibs put up on Instagram. Honestly not sure what goes on in his brain to do that after the result. So stupid.
Something to do with IQ I think.

[HendoDelivered]

Youan liked the full time picture Hibs put up on Instagram. Honestly not sure what goes on in his brain to do that after the result. So stupid.

Another one that doesn’t get us

[hibsbollah]

Youan liked the full time picture Hibs put up on Instagram. Honestly not sure what goes on in his brain to do that after the result. So stupid.

Youan liked something Hibs put up? So what?
Im more confused than ever what we're supposed to be outraged about:confused:

[bigwheel]

Youan liked something Hibs put up? So what?
Im more confused than ever what we're supposed to be outraged about:confused:

It’s a fair point you make …of all the things to complain about , this one has me at a loss too

[JamesHFC]

Kenneh should've sent love hearts to a 15 year girl like Sibbick did, thats apparently how you get fans to support and love you. Nonces. So glad I was raised a Hibby.

Spot on.

[sauzeelegod]

Also relevant that Maloney's were in the cup against Cove, Arbroath etc. He was far worse than Johnson in the league.

League records

Maloney
P 20 W 5 D 7 L 8 PTS 22

Johnson
P 22 W 8 D 3 L 11 PTS 27

Johnson has 5 more points than Maloney but has 2 extra league games played.
To say Maloney was “far worse” than Johnson just isn’t true.
Maloney also got us to a Scottish cup semi final.

[California-Hibs]

Youan liked something Hibs put up? So what?
Im more confused than ever what we're supposed to be outraged about:confused:

What would make a person think about hitting the love heart on Instagram with a picture of 'Hibs 0-3 Hearts, let alone a player who played in it. I don't know, to some maybe it's nothing, to me it's just weird and shows a certain level of not fully caring about the magnitude of the defeat. To each their own but nah, I'm not too impressed he did that.

[B.H.F.C]

Youan liked something Hibs put up? So what?
Im more confused than ever what we're supposed to be outraged about:confused:

He’s obviously liked it because he’s in the picture. Pretty stupid thing to ‘like’ when it’s tweeting About being humped by that lot though.

[hibsbollah]

What would make a person think about hitting the love heart on Instagram with a picture of 'Hibs 0-3 Hearts, let alone a player who played in it. I don't know, to some maybe it's nothing, to me it's just weird and shows a certain level of not fully caring about the magnitude of the defeat. To each their own but nah, I'm not too impressed he did that.

Im over fifty and don't have Insta (as i believe the kids call it:greengrin) but I think i understand the concept pretty well. A love heart could convey respect to the club, couldnt it? I mean, a sad face or a crying face might be better but isnt it all a truck load of hairy plums really?

[Haymaker]

Youan liked something Hibs put up? So what?
Im more confused than ever what we're supposed to be outraged about:confused:

I'm just outraged at everything nowadays. Makes life easier

[JimBHibees]

I thought you were saying Kenneh is sending love hearts to Sibbick. It gets worse

:greengrin

[Steve Austin]

It’s time.

Recruitment is only part of the problem here.

Wee Brent couldn’t get a tune out of a full orchestra.

Bring in someone a bit more hardline than that cliche spouting wideboy. Enough is enough.


https://www.change.org/p/bristol-city-sack-lee-johnson

Seems he’s been here before many times and hacked off fans !!

The rationale for him getting the Hibs job should be explained!!

[Colr]

https://www.change.org/p/bristol-city-sack-lee-johnson

Seems he’s been here before many times and hacked off fans !!

The rationale for him getting the Hibs job should be explained!!

What was the problem at Bristol?

Did they have the bulk of the play, create loads of chances but fail to convert them whilst leaving themselves open and making errors of judgement in defence?

[GreenGray]

What was the problem at Bristol?

Did they have the bulk of the play, create loads of chances but fail to convert them whilst leaving themselves open and making errors of judgement in defence?

Probably, to be honest it’s not like we create loads of clear cut chances. I can’t remember us missing many “sitters” lots of balls in the box but we don’t often carve open teams.


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[jeffers]

What was the problem at Bristol?

Did they have the bulk of the play, create loads of chances but fail to convert them whilst leaving themselves open and making errors of judgement in defence?

Apparently the players had a low IQ, his squad was bloated, he didn’t sign any of them someone else did and he needed at least 3 transfer windows before he could be properly judged. He did however identify numerous problems as soon as he took over.

[BegbieHSC]

We need Johnson out now, as undoubtedly, Jim Goodwin is on the verge of being sacked from Aberdeen, and they’ll likely be looking at managers from the same market as us, so we need to get on it fast before they do.

[bingo70]

We need Johnson out now, as undoubtedly, Jim Goodwin is on the verge of being sacked from Aberdeen, and they’ll likely be looking at managers from the same market as us, so we need to get on it fast before they do.

I don’t think getting a 24-48 hour head start will make any difference on that front really.

[MWHIBBIES]

League records

Maloney
P 20 W 5 D 7 L 8 PTS 22

Johnson
P 22 W 8 D 3 L 11 PTS 27

Johnson has 5 more points than Maloney but has 2 extra league games played.
To say Maloney was “far worse” than Johnson just isn’t true.
Maloney also got us to a Scottish cup semi final.

Maloney did not win 5 league matches. You've included Gray

He was far worse.

[Silky]

Im over fifty and don't have Insta (as i believe the kids call it:greengrin) but I think i understand the concept pretty well. A love heart could convey respect to the club, couldnt it? I mean, a sad face or a crying face might be better but isnt it all a truck load of hairy plums really?

It's just a status. It means nothing. The permanently outraged need something to be outraged about. Man puts a love heart, like or whatever on an Instagram picture and folks erses fall out. Wow. What a world we live in!

[Hibs90]

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[Hibs90]

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[GreenCastle]

Edit: wrong clip

Hibs are soft.

As a club we will moan about yesterday but will anything really change before the next derby ?

No.

The mentality and character of people who work at the club need to change or we will continue with awful derby records and under achieving.

No co-incidence we won the Scottish cup with a group of people who were pretty mentally tough on and off the pitch. Not perfect but could get the job done.

I wouldn’t be inspired having Johnson and co in charge of my 5 a side team.

[Steve Austin]

Hibs are soft.

As a club we will moan about yesterday but will anything really change before the next derby ?

No.

The mentality and character of people who work at the club need to change or we will continue with awful derby records and under achieving.

No co-incidence we won the Scottish cup with a group of people who were pretty mentally tough on and off the pitch. Not perfect but could get the job done.

I wouldn’t be inspired having Johnson and co in charge of my 5 a side team.

Johnson is what u call a bluffer ?..
look at Bristol city fans and Sunderland fan’s reaction and thoughts etc too
He’s bluffed the hibs board and owner
And fans !!

[MrSmith]

Johnson's a slaver and it's worse that our current incumbents seem ready to keep him in place! I've been thinking for a while that they won't sack him because of the financial state of the club's football budget! The jumbos result wasn't unexpected but keeping this slaver in place is excruciatingly painful!

[Tambo]

Just reading today's post now I've finished work and definitely sounds like sour grapes from Kenneh with the tweet likes.

I didn't think it could get worse but when we have on loan players liking our rivals tweet then things are a very big problem.

I just can't see Ron paying off another manager with his money, he said the minium was 4th in the league at the start of the season and I'm sure he would of expect us to get to the QF at least of both cups.

Ron has gave up in my opinion and would sell tomorrow if he could, something has to be decided ASAP! Either Ron leaves or stays and gets rid of everyone behind the scene and try one more time with the DOF and maybe a new manager.

[SteveHFC]

Johnson's a slaver and it's worse that our current incumbents seem ready to keep him in place! I've been thinking for a while that they won't sack him because of the financial state of the club's football budget! The jumbos result wasn't unexpected but keeping this slaver in place is excruciatingly painful!

Keep him in charge and the crowds will go down and fans just won’t renew season tickets.

[H18 SFR]

Just reading today's post now I've finished work and definitely sounds like sour grapes from Kenneh with the tweet likes.

I didn't think it could get worse but when we have on loan players liking our rivals tweet then things are a very big problem.

I just can't see Ron paying off another manager with his money, he said the minium was 4th in the league at the start of the season and I'm sure he would of expect us to get to the QF at least of both cups.

Ron has gave up in my opinion and would sell tomorrow if he could, something has to be decided ASAP! Either Ron leaves or stays and gets rid of everyone behind the scene and try one more time with the DOF and maybe a new manager.

Jack Ross was on the radio recently saying our target is 3rd/4th and semi final in both cups.

[Broxburn Greens]

Jack Ross was on the radio recently saying our target is 3rd/4th and semi final in both cups.

Which is not unreasonable given our size and budget in comparison to the other teams in the top flight.

A near miss in 5th wouldn’t get a manager sacked nor would an early exit from cups now and again if we were knocked out by premiership opponents.

However, floundering around in the bottom six and going out the leauge cup in the group stages are highly questionable and would need answers.

With our budget we should finish above the Livingstons, St. Mirrens and Motherwell of this world as a matter of routine with the odd “transitional” season to be expected and forgiven.

[Ozyhibby]

Jack Ross was on the radio recently saying our target is 3rd/4th and semi final in both cups.

Unbelievable we sacked him and unbelievable Aberdeen got rid of McInnes. Both down to complaints from fans that they didn’t play attacking football while they were securing European places and trips to hampden.
We deserve what has happened and so do Aberdeen fans.
And for that matter, so did Hearts fans when they forced out Nielsen first time. They’ve learnt from their mistake it seems.

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[heid the baw]

Unbelievable we sacked him and unbelievable Aberdeen got rid of McInnes. Both down to complaints from fans that they didn’t play attacking football while they were securing European places and trips to hampden.
We deserve what has happened and so do Aberdeen fans.
And for that matter, so did Hearts fans when they forced out Nielsen first time. They’ve learnt from their mistake it seems.

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I still believe we should have gone for Mcinnes when Ross was sacked. He was out of a job at the time.
We would not be in the mess we are now with him at the club

[S4uzee]

I still believe we should have gone for Mcinnes when Ross was sacked. He was out of a job at the time.
We would not be in the mess we are now with him at the club

Totally agree

[NAE NOOKIE]

Jack Ross was on the radio recently saying our target is 3rd/4th and semi final in both cups.

Which is not in the slightest bit unreasonable.

So far as the league goes we are the 5th biggest club in the league budget wise and arguably the 4th biggest in terms of support, both actual and potentially. 3rd or 4th place should always be a realistic target and 4th anything but an over achievement.

As for the cups, the only time a manager should get a pass for us being knocked out is on the back of home or away draws to Celtic or Sevco and away ties at Pittodrie or Tynecastle ..... every single draw outside of those should be viewed as winnable and most of them eminently winnable ... one thing is for sure, failing to get out of a league cup group containing the likes of Morton, Clyde, Bonnyrigg Rose and first division Falkirk should forever more be a sacking offence .... if it isn't where the hell exactly is the bar being set?

Cue folk pointing out how many times since the 70s we have failed to finish in the top 4 .... all that proves is just how badly this club has failed to reach it's potential over the last 50 years, it is not a reason why we should continue to accept or expect failure on that scale.

[Ozyhibby]

Which is not in the slightest bit unreasonable.

So far as the league goes we are the 5th biggest club in the league budget wise and arguably the 4th biggest in terms of support, both actual and potentially. 3rd or 4th place should always be a realistic target and 4th anything but an over achievement.

As for the cups, the only time a manager should get a pass for us being knocked out is on the back of home or away draws to Celtic or Sevco and away ties at Pittodrie or Tynecastle ..... every single draw outside of those should be viewed as winnable and most of them eminently winnable ... one thing is for sure, failing to get out of a league cup group containing the likes of Morton, Clyde, Bonnyrigg Rose and first division Falkirk should forever more be a sacking offence .... if it isn't where the hell exactly is the bar being set?

Cue folk pointing out how many times since the 70s we have failed to finish in the top 4 .... all that proves is just how badly this club has failed to reach it's potential over the last 50 years, it is not a reason why we should continue to accept or expect failure on that scale.

Problem is that Hibs fans only really value it if you are winning games 3-2 instead of 1-0. Otherwise the manager is hounded out.


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[brydekirk]

Hibs were in control for much of the match but couldn't capitalise.
I say stick with LJ. We don't need more disruption.

We couldn't defend either

[NAE NOOKIE]

Problem is that Hibs fans only really value it if you are winning games 3-2 instead of 1-0. Otherwise the manager is hounded out.


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Well it's high time it changed mate. There are two myths about this club that need battered to death. The first one is the 'we demand silky football pish' in my time watching the club silky entertaining football has been served up so rarely that that comet a thread has been started on has been seen more often. See how much the fans complain about a lack of silky football when we are second in the league on the back of 10 one nil wins

The second is the 'Hibs class' bollox. If a mere 4 cups in over 70 odd years and about as many relegations is the result of being classy I would rather see a club that accepts defeat with bitter bad grace and a team full of niggly fouling bassas who surround the ref at the slightest suggestion of a poor decision any old day of the week.

[Rob]

I don’t think getting a 24-48 hour head start will make any difference on that front really.
You're right, after all we undertake thorough and extensive searches when appointing managers.

[matty_f]

The Darvel performance and result shows just how bad the recruitment excuse is from Johnson. A good coach gets a performance and a result from players that are punching above their weight.

A bad coach blamed the players he has and washed his hands of it.

Darvel, a bunch of guys that work day jobs, defended and stacked with now bravery, more purpose, more cohesion and more determination than or full time footballers can muster.

A good coach does better with the players we have.

There are virtually no substantially reasons for keeping him in the job as things stand. There is nothing that he's improved, results have been embarrassingly bad, cup runs pathetic and he's bled no youngsters into the team are all.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Well it's high time it changed mate. There are two myths about this club that need battered to death. The first one is the 'we demand silky football pish' in my time watching the club silky entertaining football has been served up so rarely that that comet a thread has been started on has been seen more often. See how much the fans complain about a lack of silky football when we are second in the league on the back of 10 one nil wins

The second is the 'Hibs class' bollox. If a mere 4 cups in over 70 odd years and about as many relegations is the result of being classy I would rather see a club that accepts defeat with bitter bad grace and a team full of niggly fouling bassas who surround the ref at the slightest suggestion of a poor decision any old day of the week.

Can’t argue with any of that, well said


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[heretoday]

We've had enough sackings. Stick with this bloke for once. I blame the players anyway. They can't put the ball in the net.

[JimBHibees]

Keep him in charge and the crowds will go down and fans just won’t renew season tickets.

Has he ever taken a team down?

[neil7908]

So LJ is staying then? Surely it's the sack for whoever loses on Saturday.

[Smartie]

The Darvel performance and result shows just how bad the recruitment excuse is from Johnson. A good coach gets a performance and a result from players that are punching above their weight.

A bad coach blamed the players he has and washed his hands of it.

Darvel, a bunch of guys that work day jobs, defended and stacked with now bravery, more purpose, more cohesion and more determination than or full time footballers can muster.

A good coach does better with the players we have.

There are virtually no substantially reasons for keeping him in the job as things stand. There is nothing that he's improved, results have been embarrassingly bad, cup runs pathetic and he's bled no youngsters into the team are all.

The main reason for keeping him (and it’s not a good one) is that with the wider structure, it would take a very special manager indeed not to fail at Hibs. Anyone will struggle with that squad and with our squad declining every transfer window, it’s a situation that’s unlikely to improve any time soon.

So do you start by pulling out the stops to get a great manager who is likely to fail and get folk on his back early, or do you sort what’s needing sorted the most then drop the right head coach in after?

[tonyrougier123]

The Darvel performance and result shows just how bad the recruitment excuse is from Johnson. A good coach gets a performance and a result from players that are punching above their weight.

A bad coach blamed the players he has and washed his hands of it.

Darvel, a bunch of guys that work day jobs, defended and stacked with now bravery, more purpose, more cohesion and more determination than or full time footballers can muster.

A good coach does better with the players we have.

There are virtually no substantially reasons for keeping him in the job as things stand. There is nothing that he's improved, results have been embarrassingly bad, cup runs pathetic and he's bled no youngsters into the team are all.

Part of Johnson’s problem is he doesn’t know how to set us up to defend.

Every defender getting the blame for goals we concede but if the message isn’t clear your Gonny concede,defence not his strong point and he’s said as much himself Lee.

The goals we concede!😖

[Mainstandman]

If we get rid of Johnson then no one decent will want the job, let him see out the season then we will know if he can turn it around. so If he can't then it's more deemed his fault and Hibs have no choice, if we get rid of him now then we reinforce the 'Hibs basket case' image. we are sixth and out of the cup but that is no different to most of the seasons I've seen in my lifetime, this changing manager quickly strategy hasn't brought success at all. How long did Miller and Stubbs need to get a cup win? Collins team was also built for him to some extent.

When Hearts were garbage they were 11/12th we are somehow sixth its not good but I've seen way worse. maybe we should look at ourselves more and just get behind the team and see how that goes rather than every six months want a new manager because we are not amazing

[S4uzee]

Cannot believe he’s still here and looks like he will be for the season

[jeffers]

The Darvel performance and result shows just how bad the recruitment excuse is from Johnson. A good coach gets a performance and a result from players that are punching above their weight.

A bad coach blamed the players he has and washed his hands of it.

Darvel, a bunch of guys that work day jobs, defended and stacked with now bravery, more purpose, more cohesion and more determination than or full time footballers can muster.

A good coach does better with the players we have.

There are virtually no substantially reasons for keeping him in the job as things stand. There is nothing that he's improved, results have been embarrassingly bad, cup runs pathetic and he's bled no youngsters into the team are all.

Nothing more needs said, yet some fans want to give this slavering clown ‘til the end of the season. Oh yeah ‘cos we can’t sack another manager. I don’t believe for a minute that sacking him will put off anyone I’d want to see manage us anyway. What it says is the club have expectations, not unrealistic one’s imo, a decent manager will confidence in their own ability to meet those expectations.

[Mainstandman]

Nothing more needs said, yet some fans want to give this slavering clown ‘til the end of the season. Oh yeah ‘cos we can’t sack another manager. I don’t believe for a minute that sacking him will put off anyone I’d want to see manage us anyway. What it says is the club have expectations, not unrealistic one’s imo, a decent manager will confidence in their own ability to meet those expectations.

You say it won't put anyone off but look who we got as the best option after the last two sackings, i don't remember any top quality managers queuing up for the job last summer.
If we ran our lives like this every six months it would be a disaster.

[Ozyhibby]

Nothing more needs said, yet some fans want to give this slavering clown ‘til the end of the season. Oh yeah ‘cos we can’t sack another manager. I don’t believe for a minute that sacking him will put off anyone I’d want to see manage us anyway. What it says is the club have expectations, not unrealistic one’s imo, a decent manager will confidence in their own ability to meet those expectations.

Or they blame the structure without actually saying what the structure is and what needs changed to fix it. If the team are performing badly then the manager gets the chop. That’s how it works. If the manger feels the structure is wrong then he needs to say so.


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[Golden Bear]

We've had enough sackings. Stick with this bloke for once. I blame the players anyway. They can't put the ball in the net.

And there lies the root of the problem.

We currently have a squad of unprofessional professional players. Recruitment requires to be looked at urgently and hopefully the appointment of a Director of Football will address the issue.

[McGruber]

So LJ is staying then? Surely it's the sack for whoever loses on Saturday.

You would think but I'm not too sure - if he hasn't been sacked by now looks like they have no intention.

[Greenwich_Hibby]

The Gordon's are just waiting for the DOF to do the dirty deed for them.

[LunasBoots]

Nothing more needs said, yet some fans want to give this slavering clown ‘til the end of the season. Oh yeah ‘cos we can’t sack another manager. I don’t believe for a minute that sacking him will put off anyone I’d want to see manage us anyway. What it says is the club have expectations, not unrealistic one’s imo, a decent manager will confidence in their own ability to meet those expectations..

The current structure would put people off managing us. The current and last Manager are well in with Kensell do that works for both parties, Hibs have been honest in the past saying they need time to fix the problems which is more than a couple transfer windows, while I'm not a fan of Johnson I do think we have to stick with the long process that's not going to be fixed overnight or by yet another new manager.

[Since452]

So LJ is staying then? Surely it's the sack for whoever loses on Saturday.

I'd be flabbergasted if Goodwin isn't punted before Saturday. Don't see what good sacking LJ would do.

[jeffers]

You say it won't put anyone off but look who we got as the best option after the last two sackings, i don't remember any top quality managers queuing up for the job last summer.
If we ran our lives like this every six months it would be a disaster.

Do you honestly believe Maloney and Johnson were the two best options ? In Maloney’s case I believe we approached him, so we went for someone who hadn’t even applied. I have no idea who all the applicants were the last two times, do you know ? Let’s be realistic we are never going to get a Pep or a Jose, but we are still a very attractive club to manage.

[Vault Boy]

I’m becoming more and more concerned that we’re genuinely holding out to avoid compensation. How the hell is he still here?!

[jeffers]

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The current structure would put people off managing us. The current and last Manager are well in with Kensell do that works for both parties, Hibs have been honest in the past saying they need time to fix the problems which is more than a couple transfer windows, while I'm not a fan of Johnson I do think we have to stick with the long process that's not going to be fixed overnight or by yet another new manager.

The structure might, not the fact we sacked Johnson. Get rid of him now, let SDG or even Kean take charge until the DoF is appointed and let the DoF drive the recruitment for Johnson’s replacement.

As I said Matty’s post summed things up perfectly for me. Johnson has shown absolutely zero reason for keeping him imo.

[Shrekko]

Well it's high time it changed mate. There are two myths about this club that need battered to death. The first one is the 'we demand silky football pish' in my time watching the club silky entertaining football has been served up so rarely that that comet a thread has been started on has been seen more often. See how much the fans complain about a lack of silky football when we are second in the league on the back of 10 one nil wins

The second is the 'Hibs class' bollox. If a mere 4 cups in over 70 odd years and about as many relegations is the result of being classy I would rather see a club that accepts defeat with bitter bad grace and a team full of niggly fouling bassas who surround the ref at the slightest suggestion of a poor decision any old day of the week.

The first one about demanding silky football .... it's not actually a myth. We saw it when we finished 3rd a couple of years back.. which is really like winning the league for us. The moans about us not being entertaining enough were loud.

You are right though- it has to stop. Where fans get the idea we have this long history of non-stop entertaining football is totally beyond me. Since Bertie Auld 40 odd years ago, we've had about 3 or 4 seasons in total of good flair football in most people's living memory. Some fans would genuinely wet themselves if we signed Scott Allan this transfer window their heads are so far in the clouds.

Well organised and competent would suit me fine- I do not enjoy watching a Hibs team that looks like it could concede every time an opposition venture up the park. I want teams to see us a tough nut to crack.

[Nutmegged]

So LJ is staying then? Surely it's the sack for whoever loses on Saturday.

Goodwin won't be there on Saturday

[B.H.F.C]

I’m becoming more and more concerned that we’re genuinely holding out to avoid compensation. How the hell is he still here?!

I think it’s more to do with the appointment of the DOF.

Whatever the reason it’s wrong and he needs to go.

[Mainstandman]

The structure might, not the fact we sacked Johnson. Get rid of him now, let SDG or even Kean take charge until the DoF is appointed and let the DoF drive the recruitment for Johnson’s replacement.

As I said Matty’s post summed things up perfectly for me. Johnson has shown absolutely zero reason for keeping him imo.

If he goes then i'd prefer Kean, SDG was the manager for the post split games last season. I was at them all we were brutal, drab and boring play, he's not the guy.

[Steven79]

Which is not in the slightest bit unreasonable.

So far as the league goes we are the 5th biggest club in the league budget wise and arguably the 4th biggest in terms of support, both actual and potentially. 3rd or 4th place should always be a realistic target and 4th anything but an over achievement.

As for the cups, the only time a manager should get a pass for us being knocked out is on the back of home or away draws to Celtic or Sevco and away ties at Pittodrie or Tynecastle ..... every single draw outside of those should be viewed as winnable and most of them eminently winnable ... one thing is for sure, failing to get out of a league cup group containing the likes of Morton, Clyde, Bonnyrigg Rose and first division Falkirk should forever more be a sacking offence .... if it isn't where the hell exactly is the bar being set?

Cue folk pointing out how many times since the 70s we have failed to finish in the top 4 .... all that proves is just how badly this club has failed to reach it's potential over the last 50 years, it is not a reason why we should continue to accept or expect failure on that scale.

Falkirk are in the third tier not the second which makes our result against them unforgivable.

[jeffers]

The first one about demanding silky football .... it's not actually a myth. We saw it when we finished 3rd a couple of years back.. which is really like winning the league for us. The moans about us not being entertaining enough were loud.

You are right though- it has to stop. Where fans get the idea we have this long history of non-stop entertaining football is totally beyond me. Since Bertie Auld 40 odd years ago, we've had about 3 or 4 seasons in total of good flair football in most people's living memory. Some fans would genuinely wet themselves if we signed Scott Allan this transfer window their heads are so far in the clouds.

Well organised and competent would suit me fine- I do not enjoy watching a Hibs team that looks like it could concede every time an opposition venture up the park. I want teams to see us a tough nut to crack.

I think fans not being at the ground the season we finished 3rd had an impact. More than once I’d said to my mates after a win I didn’t really enjoy watching that but had I been there in person I’d probably have come away happy.

I don’t think anyone who has watched Hibs for a decent period of time believe we have history of non stop entertaining football, that’s just not true. Your comment about Scott Allan isn’t either, though seeing a player who had his ability would be a massive improvement on what we currently see.

Everyone is different, personally I want to see a team who play good football, the times I’ve enjoyed watching us the most were when we did that and I say that as someone who rarely missed a game when Alex Miller was in charge. You only need to look at the crowds we had and the atmosphere at ER that season under Lennon to see what impact that had. I’m not expecting to see the 70s Dutch, but is it too much to see an organised competent side who are also good to watch ? Albeit they have the resources we could only dream of but Celtic manage it and that’s surely down to the mindset of their manager.

[leith lynx]

The Darvel performance and result shows just how bad the recruitment excuse is from Johnson. A good coach gets a performance and a result from players that are punching above their weight.

A bad coach blamed the players he has and washed his hands of it.

Darvel, a bunch of guys that work day jobs, defended and stacked with now bravery, more purpose, more cohesion and more determination than or full time footballers can muster.

A good coach does better with the players we have.

There are virtually no substantially reasons for keeping him in the job as things stand. There is nothing that he's improved, results have been embarrassingly bad, cup runs pathetic and he's bled no youngsters into the team are all.

Spot on Matty, tin hat on here but we could do a lot worse than looking at Martindale at Livi, good coach, no bull.

[jeffers]

If he goes then i'd prefer Kean, SDG was the manager for the post split games last season. I was at them all we were brutal, drab and boring play, he's not the guy.

Long term I don’t think SDG is either, but he had the same players at his disposal that Maloney had and ultimately he did what was needed.

[Heisenberg]

Spot on Matty, tin hat on here but we could do a lot worse than looking at Martindale at Livi, good coach, no bull.

Martindale will never leave Livi imo. He’s untouchable there and runs nearly every aspect of the club the way he wants.

[Smartie]

I think fans not being at the ground the season we finished 3rd had an impact. More than once I’d said to my mates after a win I didn’t really enjoy watching that but had I been there in person I’d probably have come away happy.

I don’t think anyone who has watched Hibs for a decent period of time believe we have history of non stop entertaining football, that’s just not true. Your comment about Scott Allan isn’t either, though seeing a player who had his ability would be a massive improvement on what we currently see.

Everyone is different, personally I want to see a team who play good football, the times I’ve enjoyed watching us the most were when we did that and I say that as someone who rarely missed a game when Alex Miller was in charge. You only need to look at the crowds we had and the atmosphere at ER that season under Lennon to see what impact that had. I’m not expecting to see the 70s Dutch, but is it too much to see an organised competent side who are also good to watch ? Albeit they have the resources we could only dream of but Celtic manage it and that’s surely down to the mindset of their manager.

I thought the away games in particular the season we finished 3rd under Jack Ross would have been great.

You don't care so much how you play on the road, it's all about results, and his away record that season was excellent. The away support tends to be a bit more pragmatic and realistic in my experience, so I think he's have enjoyed even stronger support amongst our hardcore support.

Our home fans maybe a bit less so, and our armchair fans even less than that but I've thought the "style of play" stuff was a bit of a myth. Even at the start of the season when he was sacked he had us playing some really good stuff in places. He was sacked because he had a terrible run of results and because he had a rookie owner who didn't (doesn't) know what he was doing. Owners in that position need to learn - quickly - when to ride out a bit of moaning and when to pull the trigger.

[GreenCastle]

The main reason for keeping him (and it’s not a good one) is that with the wider structure, it would take a very special manager indeed not to fail at Hibs. Anyone will struggle with that squad and with our squad declining every transfer window, it’s a situation that’s unlikely to improve any time soon.

So do you start by pulling out the stops to get a great manager who is likely to fail and get folk on his back early, or do you sort what’s needing sorted the most then drop the right head coach in after?

I think the main reasons he’s not been sacked are the club don’t want to pay him off.

It also looks bad on Ben Kensells CV hiring and firing another manager.

That is worrying that it’s more about money and Ben’s CV than the actual harm it’s doing to our club and fan base.

Hibs is still a brilliant club to manage - it’s not all about a big name but just a competent manager who sets standards and can set up a football team.

Yes some of the players are crap but a new manager would at least be given a chance to do something about it and give us some momentum going into next season.

Prediction - we will stick with LJ till split. He then stays or goes (if he doesn’t make top 6). Then we are back to where we were last year. Total waste of a season.

He’s got zero credit in the bank - if he is the manager this weekend he just has to beat Aberdeen. If he loses I can genuinely see fans protesting outside West stand after game.

[Shrekko]

I think fans not being at the ground the season we finished 3rd had an impact. More than once I’d said to my mates after a win I didn’t really enjoy watching that but had I been there in person I’d probably have come away happy.

I don’t think anyone who has watched Hibs for a decent period of time believe we have history of non stop entertaining football, that’s just not true. Your comment about Scott Allan isn’t either, though seeing a player who had his ability would be a massive improvement on what we currently see.

Everyone is different, personally I want to see a team who play good football, the times I’ve enjoyed watching us the most were when we did that and I say that as someone who rarely missed a game when Alex Miller was in charge. You only need to look at the crowds we had and the atmosphere at ER that season under Lennon to see what impact that had. I’m not expecting to see the 70s Dutch, but is it too much to see an organised competent side who are also good to watch ? Albeit they have the resources we could only dream of but Celtic manage it and that’s surely down to the mindset of their manager.

You might think my comments 'aren't true' but i've seen plenty evidence that they are. Nobody is saying that ALL fans think these things that but if you genuinely believe that we don't have a higher than normal amount of romanticists in our support then i'd suggest that's 'not true'. Every time a manager gets appointed he makes reference to being aware of what Hibs fans are looking for in terms of style etc.

We all like what peak Scott Allan could do but most observers could see what was sadly obvious latterly - if you think that people weren't still clamouring for him to start games for us last season because he (simplistically) would "win them with a moment of magic" and posting messages about how much we miss him even this season then we maybe read different things on social media etc.

I think it's fairly obvious that most fans would like to watch entertaining football, but getting results should always be the first priority and is the only way the club can grow. It's been said often enough but Hearts were actually honking for 85 percent of the game on Sunday but their fans seemed to enjoy it- just as we would have if the roles were reversed.

This is Scottish football- most of the teams come to Easter Road and look to frustrate us. It's not easy producing silky football around 2 banks of deep lying opposition.

[jeffers]

I thought the away games in particular the season we finished 3rd under Jack Ross would have been great.

You don't care so much how you play on the road, it's all about results, and his away record that season was excellent. The away support tends to be a bit more pragmatic and realistic in my experience, so I think he's have enjoyed even stronger support amongst our hardcore support.

Our home fans maybe a bit less so, and our armchair fans even less than that but I've thought the "style of play" stuff was a bit of a myth. Even at the start of the season when he was sacked he had us playing some really good stuff in places. He was sacked because he had a terrible run of results and because he had a rookie owner who didn't (doesn't) know what he was doing. Owners in that position need to learn - quickly - when to ride out a bit of moaning and when to pull the trigger.

Agree with a lot of that, especially about away performances.

I remember there were games under Ross that we were excellent to watch, but I never felt we managed to sustain those levels. Ironically Ross County at home, where I missed out on the ballot, we played some great stuff.

I always felt with Ross he’d eventually get sacked, his teams had a habit of putting in some shocking performances and he’d lost me after the Cup Final. I’d have understood if he’d been given more time though, he had earned that overall.

[snedzuk]

I think the main reasons he’s not been sacked are the club don’t want to pay him off.

It also looks bad on Ben Kensells CV hiring and firing another manager.

That is worrying that it’s more about money and Ben’s CV than the actual harm it’s doing to our club and fan base.

Hibs is still a brilliant club to manage - it’s not all about a big name but just a competent manager who sets standards and can set up a football team.

Yes some of the players are crap but a new manager would at least be given a chance to do something about it and give us some momentum going into next season.

Prediction - we will stick with LJ till split. He then stays or goes (if he doesn’t make top 6). Then we are back to where we were last year. Total waste of a season.

He’s got zero credit in the bank - if he manager this weekend he just has to beat Aberdeen. If he loses I can genuinely see fans protesting outside West stand after game.

This - Aberdeen can't buy a win away. Goodwin surely gone by Saturday - for anyone paying attention then Johnson can't survive a loss to the sheep. Its a must win (caveat being I don't know if Ron is paying attention)

[SHODAN]

He must be staying. ****ing mad.

[jeffers]

You might think my comments 'aren't true' but i've seen plenty evidence that they are. Nobody is saying that ALL fans think these things that but if you genuinely believe that we don't have a higher than normal amount of romanticists in our support then i'd suggest that's 'not true'. Every time a manager gets appointed he makes reference to being aware of what Hibs fans are looking for in terms of style etc.

We all like what peak Scott Allan could do but most observers could see what was sadly obvious latterly - if you think that people weren't still clamouring for him to start games for us last season because he (simplistically) would "win them with a moment of magic" and posting messages about how much we miss him even this season then we maybe read different things on social media etc.

I think it's fairly obvious that most fans would like to watch entertaining football, but getting results should always be the first priority and is the only way the club can grow. It's been said often enough but Hearts were actually honking for 85 percent of the game on Sunday but their fans seemed to enjoy it- just as we would have if the roles were reversed.

This is Scottish football- most of the teams come to Easter Road and look to frustrate us. It's not easy producing silky football around 2 banks of deep lying opposition.


You said fans had this view we have this long history of non stop entertaining football. That’s not true simply because we haven’t. Fans may have wanted that but it’s not the same thing. I attended my first game over 50 years ago, I know what the football has been like for the majority of that time as does anyone else of a similar age to me.

I was however brought up to believe of the two we tried to play football, Hearts kicked anything that moved in an attempt to win a game. But you’ve said it yourself most fans would like to watch entertaining football, what’s so wrong with having that as an objective. At times though, derbies in particular winning in a scrappy way is all that matters.

Again you said fans wanted Scott Allan back now and would wet themselves at the prospect. I was one of his biggest admirers but I accept his time has been and gone and I don’t know anyone who does want his return, though I admit to not being particularly active on other forms of social media. However despite his clear limitations last season he still did have “something” that no other player was able to offer - the stats were there to back that up.

[Greenworld]

It's getting to the farcical stage . All the fans want is some info.
How is the DOF appointment going have we narrowed it down and what roughly is the time frame for appointment.
For without this person in place to be moving players out and bringing players in is just plain stupid . We are surley only exaspating an already bad situation

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[ScottB]

Everton seems a very similar situation, if one a bit further down a similar looking road.

No shortage of money spent by the owner, but no clarity, no direction, recruitment all over the place, cycling through a number of managers all very different conceptually from each other.

The parallels are obvious, we’ve spent a lot, either on the stadium or the squad, but recruitment has been a mess, failing to improve key areas, hiring guys who weren’t ready etc. We cleared out the existing club staff and replaced them with folk who either aren’t qualified or don’t seem to have worked out, bounced from Ross, an experienced Scottish manager, to wanting an exciting rookie, to wanting experience, if not Scottish experience. I’m not sure any of us could predict what Ron will look for next time, much as I’m not sure anyone could guess what boxes the next Everton manager will tick.

If we carry on as is, we could well be looking at relegation in the next season or two.

[BSEJVT]

tbh the DOF thing is manna from heaven for the board

They can point to doing something, that in truth means having to do very little other than trim the wage bill this window and say they couldn't rush the DOF Appointment and that everything had to wait till then.

Meantime they hope LJ can stumble onto something that leaves us far enough away from relegation and when we miss out on the top 6 they can get rid of Johnson without compensation for failing to meet minimum standards.

They sell it as having given him time, DOF shows authority/nouse in sacking him, it is a total win-win for them.

Their big dangers are we get sucked into a relegation battle and /or the fans are so pissed off by the end of the season that season ticket renewals plummet.

My fear is that they overestimate fans' loyalty and it is a long way back from season ticket numbers of 8000

I didn't renew this year for the first time in say 30 years and haven't missed it at all.

I am of a far cheerier disposition than I was and don't spend days on end mad at the shambles we have become.

Even the 2 recent Hearts losses didn't burn me anything like they used to.

[McGruber]

This - Aberdeen can't buy a win away. Goodwin surely gone by Saturday - for anyone paying attention then Johnson can't survive a loss to the sheep. Its a must win (caveat being I don't know if Ron is paying attention)

That Hearts game was also a must win. Don't think must win games matter

[Bushwoof]

It's worth saying again that we played the better, more entertaining football on Sunday. The difference was that in defence Hertz, like Darvel last night, were throwing everything in front of the ball and we were trying to be Maldini. Maybe we do need to be less 'classy' and more lower-league at times. Having said that, those of us who were in the ground early enough for the fine rendition of Turnbull's Tornadoes will have heard what Hibs are about - "while we entertain you, to win is our aim". For me, going to the football should be first about entertainment, and then winning. When it's not entertaining, as during the Jack Ross era, then people simply stop going, regardless of a 3rd place finish.
While the result on Sunday was a stinker, Hibs play was excellent at times, and the game, for all the gutted feeling at the end, was certainly entertaining. LJ needs to get some results, but I'm still happier with him than JR or SM.

[thebausburst]

How bad do Hibs results need to be before he gets sacked, plus he’s had 9 months in role and imo has not improved ANY aspect of the team, with defence, midfield and attack all worse than before he came in!

[McGruber]

How bad do Hibs results need to be before he gets sacked, plus he’s had 9 months in role and imo has not improved ANY aspect of the team, with defence, midfield and attack all worse than before he came in!

True, and hasn't given any youngster a chance

[Is It On....]

This - Aberdeen can't buy a win away. Goodwin surely gone by Saturday - for anyone paying attention then Johnson can't survive a loss to the sheep. Its a must win (caveat being I don't know if Ron is paying attention)

Aberdeen have lost 7 games in the last 9. Our recent record is "challenging". A great chance for one of the teams to reboot their season.

[matty_f]

The main reason for keeping him (and it’s not a good one) is that with the wider structure, it would take a very special manager indeed not to fail at Hibs. Anyone will struggle with that squad and with our squad declining every transfer window, it’s a situation that’s unlikely to improve any time soon.

So do you start by pulling out the stops to get a great manager who is likely to fail and get folk on his back early, or do you sort what’s needing sorted the most then drop the right head coach in after?

I think a good coach gets more or of the players we have. Go back to Darv - not one of their players gets in Aberdeen's starting eleven. They didn't get into any top flight team, yet they played better than the sum of their parts.

I think it's an easy out for Johnson to blame recruitment or the players, he should be doing better.

[Scorrie]

How bad do Hibs results need to be before he gets sacked, plus he’s had 9 months in role and imo has not improved ANY aspect of the team, with defence, midfield and attack all worse than before he came in!

And he said not to judge him till a few months in IIRC? Well my judgment is he’s clueless

[Greenio]

Keep him.

Sick and tired of this merry-go-round

Get the DOF sorted. Get the right players in and the injuries down

[GreenCastle]

How bad do Hibs results need to be before he gets sacked, plus he’s had 9 months in role and imo has not improved ANY aspect of the team, with defence, midfield and attack all worse than before he came in!

World Cup saved Johnson and Hibs having to make a decision as it took the heat of everyone for a few weeks.

They will be thinking the same after the derbies - but in reality fans are raging still and unless we go on a very good run and actually start winning games regularly many won’t renew.

[Trinity Hibee]

https://twitter.com/evertonnewsfeed/status/1617601667129831427?s=46&t=YYZ19-M5y6kvuD_HK6oLDQ

Carragher talking about the Everton situation. Similar to ours. Says if you have got the same record as the manager you replaced then you can’t really argue about being sacked. Hard to disagree

[James Stephen]

It's worth saying again that we played the better, more entertaining football on Sunday. The difference was that in defence Hertz, like Darvel last night, were throwing everything in front of the ball and we were trying to be Maldini. Maybe we do need to be less 'classy' and more lower-league at times. Having said that, those of us who were in the ground early enough for the fine rendition of Turnbull's Tornadoes will have heard what Hibs are about - "while we entertain you, to win is our aim". For me, going to the football should be first about entertainment, and then winning. When it's not entertaining, as during the Jack Ross era, then people simply stop going, regardless of a 3rd place finish.
While the result on Sunday was a stinker, Hibs play was excellent at times, and the game, for all the gutted feeling at the end, was certainly entertaining. LJ needs to get some results, but I'm still happier with him than JR or SM.

Therein lies the problem with the Hibs support (not having a go, you must illustrate the point well).

Football does not reward artistic impression, there are no prizes for style. Its professional sport at an elite level - it is about results, finding wee edges and advantages, gaming ever rule to within an inch of its life, and stepping beyond the rules where reward outweighs the punishment.

Even more so in Scotland, where the style and structure of the league mitigates against 'good' fitba.

Until the Hibs support are willing to accept a baseline that a Hibs team should be hard to score against, and nightmare to play against, then the club wont achieve consistency, and will struggle at tough away venues (tynie, pittodrie).

As long as the board think fans will only embrace a certain type of fitba, thats what they will seek out. And so guys like johnson will arrive with his snakeoil about high pressing attacking fitba, and it will fail. Like it failed for stendel and cathro, and le guen and that portguese guy, like glass and goodwin at Aberdeen.

Professional football teams whose first job, purpose, and structure are designed around entertaining, mean that their main focus isnt on winning. They are focusing on the process and not the end result. Instead you get wildly inconsistent circus teams as likely to implode as to explode. Pretty much Hibs.

Its not hard to see what works in Scotland - Steve Clark and Derek McInnes demonstrated it - be hard to beat, organised and good defensively, tough and up for the dirty side, and where possible sprinkle a couple of good attackers and a goal scorer.

Even Hibs had it with McGregor, Gray and Stevenson, mcginn and bartley in midfield.

But if the fans dont accept that, the board wont deliver it and will instead keep looking for a miracle manager that will appear once in a generation if you are lucky.

[Bushwoof]

Therein lies the problem with the Hibs support (not having a go, you must illustrate the point well).

Professional football teams whose first job, purpose, and structure are designed around entertaining, mean that their maim focus isnt on winning. They are focusing on the process and not the end result. Instead you get wildly inconsistent circus teams as likely to implode as to explode. Pretty much Hibs.

But if the fans dont accept that, the board wont deliver it and will instead keep looking for a miracle manager that will appear once in a generation if you are lucky.

Thanks, that pretty much nails the dilemma we have. We either want to be entertained, and thus want rid of the likes of Ross and his eye-bleeding football, but accept inconsistency and frequent disappointment, or we want wins at any cost, which sees the ground half empty due to the lack of entertainment. Hoping for both entertainment and results needs a manager that's very difficult to find - and even when we had that for a spell under Lennon, it couldn't last for long.

Bobby Williamson famously told us to go to the cinema if we wanted entertainment, but I want to be entertained at ER. On the other hand, probably half the support would prefer to win ugly. There's no reconciling the two. Unless a Gulf state wants to buy us up.

[bingo70]

Thanks, that pretty much nails the dilemma we have. We either want to be entertained, and thus want rid of the likes of Ross and his eye-bleeding football, but accept inconsistency and frequent disappointment, or we want wins at any cost, which sees the ground half empty due to the lack of entertainment. Hoping for both entertainment and results needs a manager that's very difficult to find - and even when we had that for a spell under Lennon, it couldn't last for long.

Bobby Williamson famously told us to go to the cinema if we wanted entertainment, but I want to be entertained at ER. On the other hand, probably half the support would prefer to win ugly. There's no reconciling the two. Unless a Gulf state wants to buy us up.

I think there’s a misconception that entertaining football means fast flowing passing, Brazil 70 stuff, it doesn’t.

If we were to play a high intensity game but get the ball forward playing route one football and camped in the opposition box and scored goals playing an effective form of football then I’d be delighted with that.

Trying to outbore teams into submission with low scoring high possession football is pish and I make no apologies for getting restless when we have managers who play that way.

[Greenio]

Therein lies the problem with the Hibs support (not having a go, you must illustrate the point well).

Football does not reward artistic impression, there are no prizes for style. Its professional sport at an elite level - it is about results, finding wee edges and advantages, gaming ever rule to within an inch of its life, and stepping beyond the rules where reward outweighs the punishment.

Even more so in Scotland, where the style and structure of the league mitigates against 'good' fitba.

Until the Hibs support are willing to accept a baseline that a Hibs team should be hard to score against, and nightmare to play against, then the club wont achieve consistency, and will struggle at tough away venues (tynie, pittodrie).

As long as the board think fans will only embrace a certain type of fitba, thats what they will seek out. And so guys like johnson will arrive with his snakeoil about high pressing attacking fitba, and it will fail. Like it failed for stendel and cathro, and le guen and that portguese guy, like glass and goodwin at Aberdeen.

Professional football teams whose first job, purpose, and structure are designed around entertaining, mean that their main focus isnt on winning. They are focusing on the process and not the end result. Instead you get wildly inconsistent circus teams as likely to implode as to explode. Pretty much Hibs.

Its not hard to see what works in Scotland - Steve Clark and Derek McInnes demonstrated it - be hard to beat, organised and good defensively, tough and up for the dirty side, and where possible sprinkle a couple of good attackers and a goal scorer.

Even Hibs had it with McGregor, Gray and Stevenson, mcginn and bartley in midfield.

But if the fans dont accept that, the board wont deliver it and will instead keep looking for a miracle manager that will appear once in a generation if you are lucky.

Spot on.

I like winning.

I want my football team to win.

The style of the performance is 100% secondary to that

[Trinity Hibee]

I think there’s a misconception that entertaining football means fast flowing passing, Brazil 70 stuff, it doesn’t.

If we were to play a high intensity game but get the ball forward playing route one football and camped in the opposition box and scored goals playing an effective form of football then I’d be delighted with that.

Trying to outbore teams into submission with low scoring high possession football is pish and I make no apologies for getting restless when we have managers who play that way.

Got to say i agree with this. The constant possession recycling is boring to watch. We all love to see end to end games and that is being taken out of the game more generally now with this keep ball style. Barcelona did it well because it had a purpose and quality players but for most team they keep ball and wait for something to happen rather than making it happen. Opposition are happy to sit and let teams play infront of them like we see most weeks at ER. Players at this level don’t have the imagination or quality to play possession based stuff.

[Dmas]

I think a good coach gets more or of the players we have. Go back to Darv - not one of their players gets in Aberdeen's starting eleven. They didn't get into any top flight team, yet they played better than the sum of their parts.

I think it's an easy out for Johnson to blame recruitment or the players, he should be doing better.

The players haven’t been good enough for 2 previous managers why should it be any different for LJ? the board is to blame here they saw the need to change jack Ross and picked maloney and recruited terribly to back him saw that error replaced him with LJ and have again failed to give him the tools to do the job properly we’re still relying on a huge amount of player’s responsible for 2 guys getting pumped why are they expecting different results?

I don’t particularly like LJ but for me if he was more of a likeable character he’d get more sympathy from fans for the situation he is having to work through, a bloody mess and I’m not sure anyone would be able to get different results without massive changes from above.

[007]

He must be staying. ****ing mad.

Maloney wasn't sacked until 3 days after we lost the cup semi to Hearts so it's not totally out of the question LJ will be gone, maybe by tomorrow or if we lose on Saturday. That said, don't be surprised for him to be given until the split to get top 6, then Europe if he does. That's my guess as to what'll happen. Strap in folks.

[Liberal Hibby]

The Darvel performance and result shows just how bad the recruitment excuse is from Johnson. A good coach gets a performance and a result from players that are punching above their weight.

A bad coach blamed the players he has and washed his hands of it.

Darvel, a bunch of guys that work day jobs, defended and stacked with now bravery, more purpose, more cohesion and more determination than or full time footballers can muster.

A good coach does better with the players we have.

There are virtually no substantially reasons for keeping him in the job as things stand. There is nothing that he's improved, results have been embarrassingly bad, cup runs pathetic and he's bled no youngsters into the team are all.

Well said.

With him we risk getting sucked into a relegation battle - never mind the top six.

[DH1875]

Keep him.

Sick and tired of this merry-go-round

Get the DOF sorted. Get the right players in and the injuries down

So we just keep a poor manager because we sacked the previous better managers?

[hibsbollah]

Spot on.

I like winning.

I want my football team to win.

The style of the performance is 100% secondary to that

Personally I would weigh my concern at my team winning, with my team playing football I like watching on a game day, as about even, or 50/50. So in overly simplified terms, if we’re winning AND playing attractive football, im 100% happy, if we’re playing ugly pub team football and winning, I’m half way happy and same if we’re lovely to watch and losing.

Everyone’s different.

[Hibs90]

Mental that he’s still here to be honest, very much the hallmark of people within the boardroom who want to try save their own skin rather than do what’s best for the club.

[bingo70]

Personally I would weigh my concern at my team winning, with my team playing football I like watching on a game day, as about even, or 50/50. So in overly simplified terms, if we’re winning AND playing attractive football, im 100% happy, if we’re playing ugly pub team football and winning, I’m half way happy and same if we’re lovely to watch and losing.

Everyone’s different.

Your last point is so significant and it’s always overlooked.

I want to enjoy going to the Hibs games, that’s not always solely about winning. I remember we beat St Johnstone 1-0 in one of Ross’s last game and it was absolutely horrible, think we scored a penalty. I don’t want to go and watch games like that every week even though we won.

For other people we got the three points and they left happy, that’s all they want. That’s absolutely fine and there’s nothing wrong with that, it doesn’t mean I’m wrong for wanting to enjoy going to the games though.

The problem the club has is that when people don’t enjoy the football, they’re less likely to go. In that sense the club need to find a middle ground between winning and entertaining, boring, dull but winning football doesn’t attract the crowds, even if it makes a lot of people happy.

The one thing nobody expects though is Hibs to be playing like peak Barcelona or Brazil, I think people just want a team that plays in a way they can relate to, with enthusiasm, energy, scores goals and tries to play on the front foot. If we can do that we would be successful so it doesn’t have to be one or the other.

[J-C]

All very well wanting and playing attractive football but you still need to do the dirty work too, we have no one in the team to just get stuck right in, recently we had Bartley, McGinn, McGregor, Gray, even wee Lewis loved a 50-50 challenge. No character or steeliness in the squad.

[Victor]

Personally, I don’t think he is a bad manager. I think that he is trying to do his job with a number of factors outwith his control impeding his efforts. These factors include, inheriting a failing squad overly populated with average players; injuries to key personnel; poor recruitment by others; an out of contract player, who has a disruptive influence. I have no idea what sort of relationship he has with his bosses, and that too could be a factor. Basically there is no point in getting in a new manger unless these issues are addressed. I don’t think that Lee Johnson’s managerial skills can be fairly judged without factoring in all these extraneous variables.

[Ozyhibby]

Your last point is so significant and it’s always overlooked.

I want to enjoy going to the Hibs games, that’s not always solely about winning. I remember we beat St Johnstone 1-0 in one of Ross’s last game and it was absolutely horrible, think we scored a penalty. I don’t want to go and watch games like that every week even though we won.

For other people we got the three points and they left happy, that’s all they want. That’s absolutely fine and there’s nothing wrong with that, it doesn’t mean I’m wrong for wanting to enjoy going to the games though.

The problem the club has is that when people don’t enjoy the football, they’re less likely to go. In that sense the club need to find a middle ground between winning and entertaining, boring, dull but winning football doesn’t attract the crowds, even if it makes a lot of people happy.

The one thing nobody expects though is Hibs to be playing like peak Barcelona or Brazil, I think people just want a team that plays in a way they can relate to, with enthusiasm, energy, scores goals and tries to play on the front foot. If we can do that we would be successful so it doesn’t have to be one or the other.

I think if your not winning games then then it’s very hard to maintain any of the momentum and confidence it requires to play entertaining football.
Build a winning team first then see how you can make it entertaining.
Putting entertainment first is not working for us.


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[bingo70]

I think if your not winning games then then it’s very hard to maintain any of the momentum and confidence it requires to play entertaining football.
Build a winning team first then see how you can make it entertaining.
Putting entertainment first is not working for us.


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It’s a good point.

If you don’t get the winning football first if all you won’t get time to implement a certain style. Probably should be the big lesson Maloney took away with him.

[jeffers]

It’s a good point.

If you don’t get the winning football first if all you won’t get time to implement a certain style. Probably should be the big lesson Maloney took away with him.

I’m the same as you. I want to watch a football game and enjoy it. Sure there are times just winning is good (like Sunday would have been.) I don’t expect a manager to come in and have us play like Liverpool or Man City, by all means make us hard to beat first then build on it.

[loanheadhibby]

It's worth saying again that we played the better, more entertaining football on Sunday. The difference was that in defence Hertz, like Darvel last night, were throwing everything in front of the ball and we were trying to be Maldini. Maybe we do need to be less 'classy' and more lower-league at times. Having said that, those of us who were in the ground early enough for the fine rendition of Turnbull's Tornadoes will have heard what Hibs are about - "while we entertain you, to win is our aim". For me, going to the football should be first about entertainment, and then winning. When it's not entertaining, as during the Jack Ross era, then people simply stop going, regardless of a 3rd place finish.
While the result on Sunday was a stinker, Hibs play was excellent at times, and the game, for all the gutted feeling at the end, was certainly entertaining. LJ needs to get some results, but I'm still happier with him than JR or SM.

For goodness sake wise up.
Did the Hearts keeper make any saves?
We've lost 3-0 again to our city rivals and you honestly believe we were excellent and entertaining.
I certainly wasn't entertained.
Yet another post which sounds like we are just accepting the complete rubbish we are served up every week.

[Bushwoof]

For goodness sake wise up.
Did the Hearts keeper make any saves? Yes he did, and we hit the woodwork twice.
We've lost 3-0 again to our city rivals and you honestly believe we were excellent and entertaining. Maybe not excellent all the time, but entertaining, yes.
I certainly wasn't entertained. Surprised at that seeing how much you seem to love the Jambos.
Yet another post which sounds like we are just accepting the complete rubbish we are served up every week.

Not sure why I bothered, but I've tried to help you out.

[MWHIBBIES]

If Johnson does get binned, Gray should too imo. Absolute legend but that doesn't make him a good coach.

[OldEast]

If Johnson does get binned, Gray should too imo. Absolutely legend but that doesn't make him a good coach.

Agree. Is he our defense coach?

[Vault Boy]

Agree. Is he our defense coach?

Set pieces apparently.

FWIW I don’t agree, there’s a lot of value in having guys like SDG about the place. He’s a very important figure.

[loanheadhibby]

Not sure why I bothered, but I've tried to help you out.

I don't remember him saving much.
We did hit the post twice but what does that count for?
Thanks for taking the bother to help me out tho.

[Jones28]

Well, looks like he's staying for the meantime.

I can't decide if the lack of transfer activity is a good thing or not.

He's either not being backed because the board don't want him to succeed or he's been given the authority to clear out players he wants as thats whats required before more can come in.

[jeffers]

If Johnson does get binned, Gray should too imo. Absolute legend but that doesn't make him a good coach.

So you know that he’s not a good coach then ?

[Zambernardi1875]

So you know that he’s not a good coach then ?

Don’t feed the troll

[JeMeSouviens]

Well, looks like he's staying for the meantime.

I can't decide if the lack of transfer activity is a good thing or not.

He's either not being backed because the board don't want him to succeed or he's been given the authority to clear out players he wants as thats whats required before more can come in.

Maybe they want the incoming DoF to lead the new guy recruitment?

[MWHIBBIES]

So you know that he’s not a good coach then ?

Personally no. Is he a good one? He's been coaching us for 18 months, and we've been gash for 18 months.


Don’t feed the troll

Come on, even for you, that's a rubbish post.

[Basildon Hibs]

Personally, I don’t think he is a bad manager. I think that he is trying to do his job with a number of factors outwith his control impeding his efforts. These factors include, inheriting a failing squad overly populated with average players; injuries to key personnel; poor recruitment by others; an out of contract player, who has a disruptive influence. I have no idea what sort of relationship he has with his bosses, and that too could be a factor. Basically there is no point in getting in a new manger unless these issues are addressed. I don’t think that Lee Johnson’s managerial skills can be fairly judged without factoring in all these extraneous variables.

The guy is a ******g Dud!!

[Jones28]

Maybe they want the incoming DoF to lead the new guy recruitment?

Maybe they do. But surely he should have been in place before January if they were going to restrict the manager to such an extent?

[Jones28]

Don’t feed the troll

MW isn’t all things to all people but a troll? Certainly not.

[truehibernian]

MW isn’t all things to all people but a troll? Certainly not.

Asides his bromance with Joe Newell 😂 agreed though, MW is a really good poster on here 👍

[NC1875]

If Johnson does get binned, Gray should too imo. Absolute legend but that doesn't make him a good coach.

You want to bin Gray as coach ? But not your beloved Hanlon because he’s a legend. Confused.

[MWHIBBIES]

You want to bin Gray as coach ? But not your beloved Hanlon because he’s a legend. Confused.

Hanlon is a legend.

I don't think he is good enough to start anymore. I've not said otherwise.


Still confused? If so, you're beyond my help.

[MWHIBBIES]

Asides his bromance with Joe Newell 😂 agreed though, MW is a really good poster on here 👍

**** off, even I don't think that :greengrin

[timewilltell]

Set pieces apparently.

FWIW I don’t agree, there’s a lot of value in having guys like SDG about the place. He’s a very important figure.

Nonsense. David Grey is never a coach. Usual sentimental rubbish. Never works

[JimBHibees]

Nonsense. David Grey is never a coach. Usual sentimental rubbish. Never works

How do you know his capabilities?

[Vault Boy]

Nonsense. David Grey is never a coach. Usual sentimental rubbish. Never works

Be interested to hear how you know that.

If you don’t think having well established leaders who get the club in the building is important, then fair enough. But there are many, many current and former players and staff who will thoroughly disagree with you.

[loanheadhibby]

Hanlon is a legend.

I don't think he is good enough to start anymore. I've not said otherwise.


Still confused? If so, you're beyond my help.

I personally don't think he is but each to their own opinion.
I've often wondered if Hearts look on guys like Danny Grainger and Ryan McGowan as legends. I think both scored in the 2012 cup final.
I have a feeling the Hearts supporters don't but I may be wrong.

[Broken Gnome]

I personally don't think he is but each to their own opinion.
I've often wondered if Hearts look on guys like Danny Grainger and Ryan McGowan as legends. I think both scored in the 2012 cup final.
I have a feeling the Hearts supporters don't but I may be wrong.

Well that's because we quite obviously have a very different relationship with the cup. He is an absolutely massive part of winning it. I can't even see why people would want to argue it, just a waste of time, accept it and enjoy it.

Similarly, if people want to criticise David Gray as a coach that's fine. If they brand him NEVER a coach without any evidence - he's managed in a cup final and didn't do too badly - and call him 'David Grey' than that's pretty much invalid.

[jeffers]

Personally no. Is he a good one? He's been coaching us for 18 months, and we've been gash for 18 months.



Come on, even for you, that's a rubbish post.

So you don’t know if he’s a good coach but in your opinion he should be sacked ‘cos we’ve been gash for 18 months ? Aye OK then.

[silverhibee]

Nonsense. David Grey is never a coach. Usual sentimental rubbish. Never works

He is well respected amongst the players, goes over and above to help new players welcomed to the club and gets Hibs, I would rather keep him and get rid of Johnson and McAllister, SDG is not the problem in the back room staff.

[silverhibee]

Be interested to hear how you know that.

If you don’t think having well established leaders who get the club in the building is important, then fair enough. But there are many, many current and former players and staff who will thoroughly disagree with you.

:agree:

[Victor]

The guy is a ******g Dud!!

Thanks for your considered and thoughtful discussion.

[silverhibee]

I personally don't think he is but each to their own opinion.
I've often wondered if Hearts look on guys like Danny Grainger and Ryan McGowan as legends. I think both scored in the 2012 cup final.
I have a feeling the Hearts supporters don't but I may be wrong.

Of course Hanlon is a legend, to say otherwise is just being stupid.

The mob from the other side of the town look after there players, I have two family members who are married to ex yams and one is a cup winner with them, he can only say good things about them and I would say he is regarded by the club and fans as a legend.

[Unseen work]

I don’t think you can underestimate the important of having proper Hibs men like Gray and McGregor around the club.

I think that’s what’s lacking a bit in the current squad, a lack of identity or understanding of the club.

If we had guys like Marshall, Porteous, Magennis, McGeady, Boyle, Nisbet etc fit every week it would 100% help but it rarely happens

[keep the faith]

Your last point is so significant and it’s always overlooked.

I want to enjoy going to the Hibs games, that’s not always solely about winning. I remember we beat St Johnstone 1-0 in one of Ross’s last game and it was absolutely horrible, think we scored a penalty. I don’t want to go and watch games like that every week even though we won.

For other people we got the three points and they left happy, that’s all they want. That’s absolutely fine and there’s nothing wrong with that, it doesn’t mean I’m wrong for wanting to enjoy going to the games though.

The problem the club has is that when people don’t enjoy the football, they’re less likely to go. In that sense the club need to find a middle ground between winning and entertaining, boring, dull but winning football doesn’t attract the crowds, even if it makes a lot of people happy.

The one thing nobody expects though is Hibs to be playing like peak Barcelona or Brazil, I think people just want a team that plays in a way they can relate to, with enthusiasm, energy, scores goals and tries to play on the front foot. If we can do that we would be successful so it doesn’t have to be one or the other.

Wow! That's the exact game I felt summed up the Ross era and why I realised that grinding out top 3 finishes was not for me.
I do realise we are all different, but I can tell you I came away from that game and many others at that time feeling flatter than I did seeing us playing well but being unable to take the chances on Sunday.
I go to be entertained. To talk about the game afterwards. To see the ups and downs.

[Lago]

He is well respected amongst the players, goes over and above to help new players welcomed to the club and gets Hibs, I would rather keep him and get rid of Johnson and McAllister, SDG is not the problem in the back room staff.
May not be the problem but he's certainly not the solution.

[Vault Boy]

May not be the problem but he's certainly not the solution.

But he absolutely could be part of one.

The last thing we need is for there to be fewer people at the club who actually give a **** and understand what playing for Hibernian really means.

Our last two managers haven’t even been able to get the name of the league correct. I know it’s minor in the grand scheme of things, but to me it speaks to a wider problem - those who are holding senior positions within the club simply don’t understand the club’s identity. They don’t get it. They’ll never get it. But SDG absolutely does.

I’d hate for guys like SDG, Daz, Paul, and Lewy to filter out of the club, only to be replaced at random by the clueless committee. That’d be a total nightmare.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’d hate for guys like SDG, Daz, Paul, and Lewy to filter out of the club, only to be replaced at random by the clueless committee. That’d be a total nightmare.

Give it 6 or 7 months....

[aberhibsfc]

I read on here a day or so ago that LJ has a target within his contract to keep us in the top six. Perhaps the board might be looking to trigger this post split and save on compensation.

Not sure there is any more tangible reason for LJ to still be in post. He's not doing it and I see nothing to give me confidence he is capable of turning that around.

[007]

I read on here a day or so ago that LJ has a target within his contract to keep us in the top six. Perhaps the board might be looking to trigger this post split and save on compensation.

Not sure there is any more tangible reason for LJ to still be in post. He's not doing it and I see nothing to give me confidence he is capable of turning that around.

You are misremembering what you read. I read on here 3 or 4 days ago that someone thought there's a clause in his contract that we could release him without a payoff if he didn't make the top 6. That's not the same as what you've said about a target of top 6. I'd say the minimum the target will likely be European qualification. The post you will have read a day or so ago will have been me referring to the other post and saying that a clause like that might mean the board will give him until we are out of the running to be in the top 6 at the split (and therefore failed to get Europe).

Someone else posted that Jack Ross said our targets are 3rd/4th and cup semis or better.

Please be careful how you phrase things or you'll have it spreading that our only ambition is to make top 6, which is way off the mark.

[leithsansiro]

I don’t think you can underestimate the important of having proper Hibs men like Gray and McGregor around the club.

I think that’s what’s lacking a bit in the current squad, a lack of identity or understanding of the club.



This 100%
Having guys behind the scenes who get Hibs is crucial. We need an identity because we had one and somehow it's been allowed to be eroded over a pretty short space of time. McGregor and SDG coaching, moving Hanlon and Stevenson towards these types of roles over the next couple of years. In years gone back, the backroom staff in a club were pretty much full of "club men", but that so rarely happens now.

Does anyone feel that LJ "gets" Hibs? Does McAllister? They certainly don't seem to in the way that guys like Stubbs did. Not that I'm calling for his return, but Hibs need to have people at ALL levels of the club for whom being at Easter Road is something to aspire to and they're proud of.

[MWHIBBIES]

I personally don't think he is but each to their own opinion.
I've often wondered if Hearts look on guys like Danny Grainger and Ryan McGowan as legends. I think both scored in the 2012 cup final.
I have a feeling the Hearts supporters don't but I may be wrong.

He is a Hibs legend. No debate required. Danny ****ing Grainger. Behave.

[MWHIBBIES]

He is well respected amongst the players, goes over and above to help new players welcomed to the club and gets Hibs, I would rather keep him and get rid of Johnson and McAllister, SDG is not the problem in the back room staff.

Right, but is he actually a good coach?

I mean, Dolan and Taff were highly rated coaches and nice blokes who got Hibs. How do you know Gray isn't one of the problems?

[SaulGoodman]

I personally don't think he is but each to their own opinion.
I've often wondered if Hearts look on guys like Danny Grainger and Ryan McGowan as legends. I think both scored in the 2012 cup final.
I have a feeling the Hearts supporters don't but I may be wrong.

Imagine being Paul Hanlon, scores a goal on the way to winning a cup that your boyhood team hadn’t won since 1902, playing in the final, playing 416 games for that club..

And then coming on here and seeing yourself being compared to Danny Grainger 🤣🤣

[loanheadhibby]

Imagine being Paul Hanlon, scores a goal on the way to winning a cup that your boyhood team hadn’t won since 1902, playing in the final, playing 416 games for that club..

And then coming on here and seeing yourself being compared to Danny Grainger 🤣🤣

I think Paul could be compared to a lot of players.
He's a pretty average SPL player who has been at ER far too long.

[loanheadhibby]

Well that's because we quite obviously have a very different relationship with the cup. He is an absolutely massive part of winning it. I can't even see why people would want to argue it, just a waste of time, accept it and enjoy it.

Similarly, if people want to criticise David Gray as a coach that's fine. If they brand him NEVER a coach without any evidence - he's managed in a cup final and didn't do too badly - and call him 'David Grey' than that's pretty much invalid.

How do you mean DG didn't do too badly managing us in the cup final.
Is this not just another example of our fans loser mentality.
We lost that day.

[Steve Austin]

Mental that he’s still here to be honest, very much the hallmark of people within the boardroom who want to try save their own skin rather than do what’s best for the club.

we need a fresh impetus at the club a reset etc.. I think terrible decisions have been made in regards managers and recruiting has been almost scattergun!!.
We should actually ask Ange at Celtic who he thinks can play like his teams do etc ?..Don’t shoot me down!!.
Celtic are fit,press you all over the pitch and his recruiting has been largely spot on too.
perhaps someone like Kevin Muscat …Yokohama manager ?..why can’t we tap into Asian market for players too..
Actually where do HIBS want to be !!..The Top Table or yo yo team ?..
Ben and Ron time for decisions and tell fans what’s happening on way ahead ..
Lee will not last unfortunately…

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Muscat was an absolute thug when he was a player

[Northernhibee]

Imagine being Paul Hanlon, scores a goal on the way to winning a cup that your boyhood team hadn’t won since 1902, playing in the final, playing 416 games for that club..

And then coming on here and seeing yourself being compared to Danny Grainger 🤣🤣
The back line of Gray, Hanlon, McGregor, Fontaine, and Lewis achieved something that no other could at the club.

He’s a club legend. I do get the feeling that the tactics we play don’t help him at all, but even if he was to be long past his best he deserves a whole load more respect from some Hibs fans than he gets.

A player who has represented the club in a brilliant fashion and when it is his time to move on, it should be with the most dignity and respect possible.

[Zambernardi1875]

we need a fresh impetus at the club a reset etc.. I think terrible decisions have been made in regards managers and recruiting has been almost scattergun!!.
We should actually ask Ange at Celtic who he thinks can play like his teams do etc ?..Don’t shoot me down!!.
Celtic are fit,press you all over the pitch and his recruiting has been largely spot on too.
perhaps someone like Kevin Muscat …Yokohama manager ?..why can’t we tap into Asian market for players too..
Actually where do HIBS want to be !!..The Top Table or yo yo team ?..
Ben and Ron time for decisions and tell fans what’s happening on way ahead ..
Lee will not last unfortunately…

Did well and Victory and played some great football. Just get Berisha to replace nisbet and Barbarouses on the wing. Grant brebner as assistant. Superb.

[loanheadhibby]

The back line of Gray, Hanlon, McGregor, Fontaine, and Lewis achieved something that no other could at the club.

He’s a club legend. I do get the feeling that the tactics we play don’t help him at all, but even if he was to be long past his best he deserves a whole load more respect from some Hibs fans than he gets.

A player who has represented the club in a brilliant fashion and when it is his time to move on, it should be with the most dignity and respect possible.

How has he represented the club in a brilliant fashion?
Let's be honest he is an average player and has been at the heart of some terrible times at the club.
Nice guy I admit but time to go and the same goes for Lewis.

[Donegal Hibby]

How has he represented the club in a brilliant fashion?
Let's be honest he is an average player and has been at the heart of some terrible times at the club.
Nice guy I admit but time to go and the same goes for Lewis.
If you don't know how he has represented Hibs in a brilliant fashion then it's not really worth explaining to you ! .
You say he's been at the heart of some terrible times at the club ( you said the club yet I'd always say OUR club ) wee slip there my friend I think ! You state he's been at the heart of some terrible times? He's also broken hearts too ! Enjoy :wink: .
https://youtu.be/umCeEd9R3Ig

[Jones28]

I think Paul could be compared to a lot of players.
He's a pretty average SPL player who has been at ER far too long.

FFS give it up man, the mental gymnastics you're having to do to paint Hanlon as anything other than a club legend must be exhausting.

[bingo70]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/australia-world-cup-history-maker-graham-arnold-is-a-good-fit-for-scottish-clubs-4001039

I’ve been banging the Graham Arnold drum for a while now but assumed he would be out of reach after Australias World Cup success.

The timing of this article is interesting to me though, just a coincidence that Aberdeen and us could be looking for a new manager soon? He threw his hat into the ring before for us, has he had one of the Edinburgh based Australians to have a friendly word with local journo here?

Seems an odd article for Barry Anderson to write without some prompting or encouragement when both the Edinburgh clubs have managers.

[McGruber]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/australia-world-cup-history-maker-graham-arnold-is-a-good-fit-for-scottish-clubs-4001039

I’ve been banging the Graham Arnold drum for a while now but assumed he would be out of reach after Australias World Cup success.

The timing of this article is interesting to me though, just a coincidence that Aberdeen and us could be looking for a new manager soon? He threw his hat into the ring before for us, has he had one of the Edinburgh based Australians to have a friendly word with local journo here?

Seems an odd article for Barry Anderson to write without some prompting or encouragement when both the Edinburgh clubs have managers.

That would be a great shout.

[hibsbollah]

How has he represented the club in a brilliant fashion?
.

Hanlon?
What a brainless question.

[GreenPJ]

I don’t think you can underestimate the important of having proper Hibs men like Gray and McGregor around the club.

I think that’s what’s lacking a bit in the current squad, a lack of identity or understanding of the club.

If we had guys like Marshall, Porteous, Magennis, McGeady, Boyle, Nisbet etc fit every week it would 100% help but it rarely happens

So we have Gray, McGregor, Hanlon, Stevenson - we had/have Porto and Boyle who all get Hibs and yet we still seem to be lacking identity or understanding of the club and there is dressing room split. To me there is a disconnect; I rate all 6 of them highly but they need to be bigger characters if circa 20% of First team and backroom staff all get Hibs but that isn't getting through to the rest.

[One Day Soon]

How has he represented the club in a brilliant fashion?
Let's be honest he is an average player and has been at the heart of some terrible times at the club.
Nice guy I admit but time to go and the same goes for Lewis.

Are you ok?

[loanheadhibby]

FFS give it up man, the mental gymnastics you're having to do to paint Hanlon as anything other than a club legend must be exhausting.

It's a fans forum.
You think he's a legend I think he's been ordinary.
Other than perhaps a half hearted bid from Aberdeen nobody has been I detested in PH.
Why? He's been an ok SPL centre back for many years.
No better no worse.
Phew I'm exhausted.

[Since452]

Hanlon is deemed a legend by virtue of how long he's been at the club. A cup final win where he was subbed off and a goal in a draw at Tynecatle doesn't convince me otherwise. Personally think he's a bang average player who is now a pretty poor player. Just my opinion though.

[Broken Gnome]

How do you mean DG didn't do too badly managing us in the cup final.
Is this not just another example of our fans loser mentality.
We lost that day.

He was a rookie coach against the best team in the country and we were a baw hair away from extra time? Did he get humped? Such a doing that he's been too scared to don a DG branded tracksuit ever again?

He lost a game, one we were rank outsiders for, it doesn't mean he's NEVER a coach. FFS, it doesn't need to be such ridiculously OTT language. It's not a sign of being a loser if happen to accept someone not being perfect. Ridiculous argument.

He gets infinitely more credit for that day than Jack Ross does for the St Johnstone farce.

[lyonhibs]

It's a fans forum.
You think he's a legend I think he's been ordinary.
Other than perhaps a half hearted bid from Aberdeen nobody has been I detested in PH.
Why? He's been an ok SPL centre back for many years.
No better no worse.
Phew I'm exhausted.

Detested is perhaps a tad strong 😅

[Hibees1973]

I don’t think you can underestimate the important of having proper Hibs men like Gray and McGregor around the club.

I think that’s what’s lacking a bit in the current squad, a lack of identity or understanding of the club.

If we had guys like Marshall, Porteous, Magennis, McGeady, Boyle, Nisbet etc fit every week it would 100% help but it rarely happens

For all that is going on just now I feel Gray & MacGregor have zero influence on vital things such as recruitment.

I bet the two of them don't recognise the club compared to what it was even 3 or 4 years ago.

The two of them have young families so they are never going to resign and lose salary and all the benefits they have. They are very small pawns at Hibs now and fairy insignificant.

[007]

Hanlon is deemed a legend by virtue of how long he's been at the club. A cup final win where he was subbed off and a goal in a draw at Tynecatle doesn't convince me otherwise. Personally think he's a bang average player who is now a pretty poor player. Just my opinion though.

:faf:
You're at it.

[Broken Gnome]

For all that is going on just now I feel Gray & MacGregor have zero influence on vital things such as recruitment.

I bet the two of them don't recognise the club compared to what it was even 3 or 4 years ago.

The two of them have young families so they are never going to resign and lose salary and all the benefits they have. They are very small pawns at Hibs now and fairy insignificant.

Oh they absolutely wouldn't have any say in recruitment, it's not their job.

I remember a suggestion in the summer that Gray and McGregor could've had some influence and helped prevent the Falkirk defeat. At least fed to Johnson that it wasn't to be taken for granted. Complete non-starter apparently.

[pacoluna]

I don't see why McGregor can't come in at CB. Regardless of his age he is more than capable enough to still play, he's been on bench several times. While we are at it give him the captains armband.

[04Sauzee]

I don't see why McGregor can't come in at CB. Regardless of his age he is more than capable enough to still play, he's been on bench several times. While we are at it give him the captains armband.

Has played football recently?

[Is It On....]

So we have Gray, McGregor, Hanlon, Stevenson - we had/have Porto and Boyle who all get Hibs and yet we still seem to be lacking identity or understanding of the club and there is dressing room split. To me there is a disconnect; I rate all 6 of them highly but they need to be bigger characters if circa 20% of First team and backroom staff all get Hibs but that isn't getting through to the rest.

On Saturday we could have a defence featuring Stevenson, Hanlon, McGregor and Marshall. Add in McGeady and we would have 5 players with an average age of 36 in the first team ....could be one of the oldest teams ever to play in the SPL?

[Stuart93]

I don't see why McGregor can't come in at CB. Regardless of his age he is more than capable enough to still play, he's been on bench several times. While we are at it give him the captains armband.

I don’t think he looked capable enough anymore last season.

Age had caught up with him and he looked slow and ponderous

[Aldo]

So we’ve got posters going on about Hearts Cup win and wondering if they are legends then berating a Hibs player who was part of the Cup winning team.
This place is full of them.

Every player that day has legendary status imho.

Christ the famous 5 and better Hibs teams over the years couldn’t win it.

[greenginger]

Oh they absolutely wouldn't have any say in recruitment, it's not their job.

I remember a suggestion in the summer that Gray and McGregor could've had some influence and helped prevent the Falkirk defeat. At least fed to Johnson that it wasn't to be taken for granted. Complete non-starter apparently.

I would have thought at least one of our experienced players would have known 2 bookings meant a suspension in the league cup group section, and maybe just mention it to the new management team.

Never mind the stat counters on Hibs.net ( I was on holiday so I’ve got an excuse ):greengrin

[HendoDelivered]

I don't see why McGregor can't come in at CB. Regardless of his age he is more than capable enough to still play, he's been on bench several times. While we are at it give him the captains armband.

The fact this is even an option just show how shambolic our recruitment is/has been.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Hanlon is deemed a legend by virtue of how long he's been at the club. A cup final win where he was subbed off and a goal in a draw at Tynecatle doesn't convince me otherwise. Personally think he's a bang average player who is now a pretty poor player. Just my opinion though.

The whole cup run counts...Bartley is also a legend never kicked a all in the final but played a huge part.

[matty_f]

It's a fans forum.
You think he's a legend I think he's been ordinary.
Other than perhaps a half hearted bid from Aberdeen nobody has been I detested in PH.
Why? He's been an ok SPL centre back for many years.
No better no worse.
Phew I'm exhausted.

Fulham wanted to sign him.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Fulham wanted to sign him.

Too much Prosecco clearly


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[Jones28]

Too much Prosecco clearly


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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/15531286.amp

[loanheadhibby]

Fulham wanted to sign him.

What stopped them?

[loanheadhibby]

So we’ve got posters going on about Hearts Cup win and wondering if they are legends then berating a Hibs player who was part of the Cup winning team.
This place is full of them.

Every player that day has legendary status imho.

Christ the famous 5 and better Hibs teams over the years couldn’t win it.

Yes but the famous five won three league titles in 5 years.

[loanheadhibby]

Are you ok?

I am fine but very concerned about the club I love.
Still so long as PH and LS rack up more appearances and Magennis plays every 8 weeks you will be happy.

[Since452]

In

[Jim44]

In

In, out, in, out and shake it all about!:partyhibb:partyhibb:partyhibb

[SHODAN]

In lol

[Jim44]

Reprieve for LJ. :greengrin

[Hibernian Verse]

Johnson out

[Since452]

Can he sell Porteous again next week?

[Just_Jimmy]

Still want shot of him. They are garbage.

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[007]

Johnson out!.....I mean in!

[Callum_62]

Top manners

Johnson in.

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[heretoday]

Johnson in!!!

[Callum_62]

As I said last week our form has improved and what Johnson was saying pre game (about 3 unbeaten is right)

We are now sitting 4th in the spl form guide for the last 6 games (10 points) behind celtic, rangers and Hearts



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[cam75]

Did anyone notice after the 3rd goal he was away to kick the bottle of water but controlled himself,probably would have got a red card for it 😂

[keep the faith]

Maybe now this thread can be viewed as the knee jerk it was. Our own fans on here calling LJ a gimp etc. Horrendous.

We have only been let down by bad finishing and sharpening this up, getting key players back and shedding the dead wood is moving us forward.

KTF and back LJ!

[H18 SFR]

Johnson In, In, in!!

[matty_f]

What stopped them?

Hibs wanted to keep him and he wanted to stay at that point.

[worcesterhibby]

Wel done LJ..our club needs to stop sacking managers and as a support we need to give them time. Lj will come good. Today is just the beginning

[BegbieHSC]

Ok Lee, we’ve got a good wee run of winnable fixtures coming up: Ross County, St Mirren and Killie. Win them, and we’re back on ok terms. Beat Livi and the Huns after that, then you’ll be my guy!

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Ok Lee, we’ve got a good wee run of winnable fixtures coming up: Ross County, St Mirren and Killie. Win them, and we’re back on ok terms. Beat Livi and the Huns after that, then you’ll be my guy!

13 points out of that and I’ll be very impressed, I’ll have had my words rammed right down my throat. Here’s hoping


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[SteveHFC]

Johnson you’re the one,
You still turn me on,
League is coming home again.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Johnson you’re the one,
You still turn me on,
League is coming home again.

Have a good night mate [emoji1787]


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[SteveHFC]

Have a good night mate [emoji1787]


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Indeed 😂

[Just_Jimmy]

Maybe now this thread can be viewed as the knee jerk it was. Our own fans on here calling LJ a gimp etc. Horrendous.

We have only been let down by bad finishing and sharpening this up, getting key players back and shedding the dead wood is moving us forward.

KTF and back LJ!Is it knee jerk to decide, 3 wins in 14 and 2 Derby humpings in 3 weeks isn't good enough?


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[B.H.F.C]

Maybe now this thread can be viewed as the knee jerk it was. Our own fans on here calling LJ a gimp etc. Horrendous.

We have only been let down by bad finishing and sharpening this up, getting key players back and shedding the dead wood is moving us forward.

KTF and back LJ!

There has definitely been merit in this thread. Out both cups at the first stage, humped twice in three weeks by Hearts, and a dreadful record over the last few months.

Yesterday was brilliant but we need to follow it up now. Decent fixtures coming up, need to take advantage.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Biggest ever win over Aberdeen - he’ll always have that on his record now and nobody can take that away from him. He was probably getting it anyway but he will surely see out the season now.

[HoboHarry]

Maybe now this thread can be viewed as the knee jerk it was. Our own fans on here calling LJ a gimp etc. Horrendous.

We have only been let down by bad finishing and sharpening this up, getting key players back and shedding the dead wood is moving us forward.

KTF and back LJ!

:agree: Well said.

[Donegal Hibby]

Maybe now this thread can be viewed as the knee jerk it was. Our own fans on here calling LJ a gimp etc. Horrendous.

We have only been let down by bad finishing and sharpening this up, getting key players back and shedding the dead wood is moving us forward.

KTF and back LJ!
Excellent post. :top marks

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hibs boss Lee Johnson plans to turn his phone off to avoid late transfer bids for 'perfect' Josh Campbell (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/hibs-boss-lee-johnson-plans-to-turn-his-phone-off-to-avoid-late-transfer-bids-for-perfect-josh-campbell/ar-AA16QnzO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=11389d86ead64cc798f19777968ad678)


so if an agent calls him with the possibility of a star player coming in at the 11th hour the agent won't get through cause Johnson will have his phone off :eek:

[Bridge hibs]

Hibs boss Lee Johnson plans to turn his phone off to avoid late transfer bids for 'perfect' Josh Campbell (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/hibs-boss-lee-johnson-plans-to-turn-his-phone-off-to-avoid-late-transfer-bids-for-perfect-josh-campbell/ar-AA16QnzO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=11389d86ead64cc798f19777968ad678)


so if an agent calls him with the possibility of a star player coming in at the 11th hour the agent won't get through cause Johnson will have his phone off :eek:Ian Gordon will take the calls 🫣

[Iain G]

Hibs boss Lee Johnson plans to turn his phone off to avoid late transfer bids for 'perfect' Josh Campbell (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/hibs-boss-lee-johnson-plans-to-turn-his-phone-off-to-avoid-late-transfer-bids-for-perfect-josh-campbell/ar-AA16QnzO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=11389d86ead64cc798f19777968ad678)


so if an agent calls him with the possibility of a star player coming in at the 11th hour the agent won't get through cause Johnson will have his phone off :eek:

I think he was joking... 🤣