Johnson Out

[degenerated]

The formation yesterday with Porteous in midfield, Campbell right back was actually genius. If you set it up wrong and go a goal behind you can swap it round and stand up infront of the camera and take credit for the inevitable improvement with a straight face. Having 2 right backs on the bench aswell - that's next level genius I can't compehend. SuperbIt's like a sequel to Mike Bassett. Lee Johnson, Hibs Manager

[Colr]

He’s proven he’s just not a very good manager.

I’d say 95% of games he has to chance tactics as he got the setup wrong. Think he’s smarter than he is.

Time to go.


I don’t think the players are terrible. They’re not great but they should be doing better.

With the caveat that I don’t see the games much, I noted last time I did that they played with a hesitancy and lack of confidence until the opposition went down to 10 men and then a weight seemed to lift off their shoulders and they started playing a bit.

Granted they had more room but what struck me was the change in mindset and attitude.

Managers fault? Maybe.

[hibsbollah]

The formation yesterday with Porteous in midfield, Campbell right back was actually genius. If you set it up wrong and go a goal behind you can swap it round and stand up infront of the camera and take credit for the inevitable improvement with a straight face. Having 2 right backs on the bench aswell - that's next level genius I can't compehend. Superb

Do you think that’s what he was doing?

[Stuart93]

Out of his depth? have a word. He's been praised by the likes of Guardiola for his teams style of play when he was manager at Bristol City, he managed in the Championship for years and you say he's out his depth here? I suppose you know better right enough with your wealth of knowledge in the game.

He’s came up here thinking it would be a doddle and he’s failed badly.

I don’t think I know better, I’m just a fan on a fans forum giving their opinion like every other poster here, including yourself.

No need to get your knickers in a twist my friend

[McGruber]

Do you think that’s what he was doing?

No.. I'm being facetious, or just immature if you like, frustrations getting the better of me.

[hibsbollah]

No.. I'm being facetious, or just immature if you like, frustrations getting the better of me.

I am an old fella now. When I was a nipper I used to like Spitting Image because it was kind of satirical and sarcastic and facile which was a novelty compared to the media we used to get in the 80s.

Now everyone’s sarcastic and facile all the time to the point where I genuinely can’t keep up with what’s intended! So I feel your pain :greengrin

[McGruber]

I am an old fella now. When I was a nipper I used to like Spitting Image because it was kind of satirical and sarcastic and facile which was a novelty compared to the media we used to get in the 80s.

Now everyone’s sarcastic and facile all the time to the point where I genuinely can’t keep up with what’s intended! So I feel your pain :greengrin

🙂👍 I was a fan of spitting image aswell.. showing our age

[Brizo]

LJs departure would, short-term, stem the discontent and stop people voting with their feet as we've seen from non-attending ST holders and next week's SC sales. Unfortunately, I don't have any faith in our Board appointing a new manager who will successfully turn things around or appointing a DOF who will be given the freedom to overhaul a failed recruitment model.

[hibee-boys]

I’m prepared to give him another summer window. If the starting line after that window consists of the same individuals that have seen the back of 2 managers already then he’s no defence. And if he’s not got the strength of character to influence the recruitment team he shouldn’t be in a football management role…..with any club.

[Hermit Crab]

I’m prepared to give him another summer window. If the starting line after that window consists of the same individuals that have seen the back of 2 managers already then he’s no defence. And if he’s not got the strength of character to influence the recruitment team he shouldn’t be in a football management role…..with any club.


We'll be lining up in the championship as I don't think we have it in us to beat Ayr, Queens Park or Dundee in a playoff.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I still believe he should be sacked, but, with a win and a draw in his last two league games, he can argue he he's earned more time. The freefall down the table has been halted. The cup result shouldn't decide his fate unless the performance is as bad as the last derby. If he makes another James Hunt of it, that's it. I can't see him lasting until the end of the season, but would gladly see him prove me wrong.

[GreenGray]

I'm behind the dugouts and never saw him interact with the fans in any way.

He was arguing/talking with a fan at the St Johnstone game I’m almost certain of it


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[marinello59]

He was arguing/talking with a fan at the St Johnstone game I’m almost certain of it


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So was he arguing or talking and does almost certain mean you aren't sure? :greengrin

[Weir07]

I'll give Johnson a bit of slack, the initial formation didn't work yesterday but credit to him for changing it. He's a bit hamstrung with no fit recognised right back. Porto in midfield has been tried before with some success, so that wasn't too much of an issue starting him there for me. All in all I thought it was an entertaining game and fair play to him putting on McKirdy and Melkersen, it got us the point we deserved. The root cause of the state we're in is recruitment, I'll see how he gets on with a DOF before I properly judge him.

[marinello59]

He’s came up here thinking it would be a doddle and he’s failed badly.

I don’t think I know better, I’m just a fan on a fans forum giving their opinion like every other poster here, including yourself.

No need to get your knickers in a twist my friend

I don't think that first bit is true, he played up here remember.

[GreenGray]

So was he arguing or talking and does almost certain mean you aren't sure? :greengrin

Hahah, I’d had a few but words we’re definitely exchanged


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[paddy1875]

How did everyone feel about his black leather gloves yesterday?

One to add to the camel jacket against Celtic and hands within his sleeves against hearts

He must be sponsored by Jacamo.

A suit should be mandatory until you achieve success.

Was dressed like he was going for a full day up the Christmas market.


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[snedzuk]

It really is this simple.

If Miller isn't ready to play 90 minutes then get as long as you can out of him and see where we are when the change needs made.

Rotating multiple players when only one change was necessary was just making things more confusing and more complicated than they needed to be. It also necessitated a change in shape mid way through the 1st half as the original choice was such a shambles.

Next week it has to be a case of playing the best available player in their correct position. That means Porteous at CB, McGeady wide and Campbell in midfield.

Prior to the change in shape, I wasnt really sure we had one.

[Since452]

Said I wasn't arsed if he stays or goes yesterday just after the game but in the cold light of day I'd like him to stay. We can't just go around hiring and firing all the time. The club have hired him so need to back him and allow him to build something. We didn't win yesterday and it wasn't great at all but we scored in the dying seconds yet again. If you're not playing well make sure you get something from the game. We did.

Said before that I don't think there's any chance he'll be sacked. Kensell won't want another managerial failure on his watch or he'll be looking over his own shoulder. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. Kensell will let a DoF work with LJ this summer in the hope that it works and will take the credit if it does.

[Stonewall]

Definitely, unless he wins next week the fans feelings towards him will be too poisonous a new DOF won’t change ****.

If we decide to keep him the DOF will be facing an upwards battle from the start, we’d be as well starting fresh.


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I don't think it would be sensible to sack him till the new dof is appointed. They have to have confidence in each other and be able to work together.

[Stuart93]

I don't think it would be sensible to sack him till the new dof is appointed. They have to have confidence in each other and be able to work together.

And if the DoF isn’t in until summer and we’re flirting with the play off spot come March time, do we just continue to persist? No thanks.

He’s incapable of turning this around

[Unseen work]

And if the DoF isn’t in until summer and we’re flirting with the play off spot come March time, do we just continue to persist? No thanks.

He’s incapable of turning this around

I think he could if he gets 2 quality signings.

Yes we need more than that, but I think a quality centre half and central midfielder really changes us.

Unfortunately I don’t think anyone has faith in the club signing players for the right positions or players that have the quality we need

[500miles]

I think he could if he gets 2 quality signings.

Yes we need more than that, but I think a quality centre half and central midfielder really changes us.

Unfortunately I don’t think anyone has faith in the club signing players for the right positions or players that have the quality we need

It's not about individual players, the ones we have would be a lot better if they had any idea what the manager wants. They would be better if he didn't shunt around the back four and put our best defender in midfield.

There is no plan. People moan about no plan B with most managers, there's no plan at all with LJ, just a vague finger point towards the opposition goal.

Get rid of him, he's only still got a job because of the idea we sacked Maloney too soon, and because we actually DID sack JR too soon.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Out of his depth? have a word. He's been praised by the likes of Guardiola for his teams style of play when he was manager at Bristol City, he managed in the Championship for years and you say he's out his depth here? I suppose you know better right enough with your wealth of knowledge in the game.

Surely the best indication as to whether he’s out his depth up here is how he does up here? Not the fact he’s done alright elsewhere.

Joey Barton had hundreds of EPL appearances. They didn’t save him from being out of his depth up here.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

We'll be lining up in the championship as I don't think we have it in us to beat Ayr, Queens Park or Dundee in a playoff.

Might get a derby🤣

[Is It On....]

Said I wasn't arsed if he stays or goes yesterday just after the game but in the cold light of day I'd like him to stay. We can't just go around hiring and firing all the time. The club have hired him so need to back him and allow him to build something. We didn't win yesterday and it wasn't great at all but we scored in the dying seconds yet again. If you're not playing well make sure you get something from the game. We did.

Said before that I don't think there's any chance he'll be sacked. Kensell won't want another managerial failure on his watch or he'll be looking over his own shoulder. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. Kensell will let a DoF work with LJ this summer in the hope that it works and will take the credit if it does.

Or the DoF will sack him. Always remember the story about Butcher having one of his first meetings with new CEO Dempster; he would have been expecting to be told his budget and goals for the next season and instead got his P45. We need this type of decisive action from somebody that knows what they want to achieve and a plan on how they are going to achieve it.

[basehibby]

All those shouting for Johnson to be sacked are inviting disaster. Contrary to some of the noises being made we do NOT look like relegation candidates. Yes we should be doing better but we won't get that by acting like neurotic trigger happy panic merchants. Any new manager would be dealing with the SAME shortcomings only with little to no insight into what they actually are. In other words back to where we started with MORE transition, more disruption and change of style and approach. We need consistency and the chance for a manager to build a team.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's not about individual players, the ones we have would be a lot better if they had any idea what the manager wants. They would be better if he didn't shunt around the back four and put our best defender in midfield.

There is no plan. People moan about no plan B with most managers, there's no plan at all with LJ, just a vague finger point towards the opposition goal.

Get rid of him, he's only still got a job because of the idea we sacked Maloney too soon, and because we actually DID sack JR too soon.

I think this is a good post. For me, the main issue with our current manager is I'm unable to see what he's trying to achieve. There doesn't seem to be a philosophy/style of play; it's boot it up and hope something drops to a forward. It isn't even long ball, with a clear strategy. Trying to be too clever, playing players out of position, which won't end well. Perhaps he's turned the corner and I'm worrying too much. Time will tell.

[H18 SFR]

All those shouting for Johnson to be sacked are inviting disaster. Contrary to some of the noises being made we do NOT look like relegation candidates. Yes we should be doing better but we won't get that by acting like neurotic trigger happy panic merchants. Any new manager would be dealing with the SAME shortcomings only with little to no insight into what they actually are. In other words back to where we started with MORE transition, more disruption and change of style and approach. We need consistency and the chance for a manager to build a team.

Totally agree, we need clear focused minds here. We need to be throwing ourselves behind the team and backing them to the hilt.

[bingo70]

I think he could if he gets 2 quality signings.

Yes we need more than that, but I think a quality centre half and central midfielder really changes us.

Unfortunately I don’t think anyone has faith in the club signing players for the right positions or players that have the quality we need

A quality centre half would just be a replacement for Porteous so would just have us standing still, assuming we can get someone as good as Porto and I’ve got my doubts about that.

If we had a quality centre midfielder as well it’s a step in the right direction but it won’t be enough to turn this team around.

[Hibernia&Alba]

All those shouting for Johnson to be sacked are inviting disaster. Contrary to some of the noises being made we do NOT look like relegation candidates. Yes we should be doing better but we won't get that by acting like neurotic trigger happy panic merchants. Any new manager would be dealing with the SAME shortcomings only with little to no insight into what they actually are. In other words back to where we started with MORE transition, more disruption and change of style and approach. We need consistency and the chance for a manager to build a team.

Completely agree with that, but we need a manager we can trust to deliver it. I don't have full trust in Johnson now.

[Crunchie]

Surely the best indication as to whether he’s out his depth up here is how he does up here? Not the fact he’s done alright elsewhere.

Joey Barton had hundreds of EPL appearances. They didn’t save him from being out of his depth up here.
Give him a couple of full seasons and we'll see how out of his depth he is. Those claiming he's out of his depth know **** all about football and didn't want him in the job from day one.
All my humble opinion of course.

[HH81]

Johnson looking for a payout IMO.

Some of his teams and interviews it defo feels like it.

[bingo70]

Give him a couple of full seasons and we'll see how out of his depth he is. Those claiming he's out of his depth know **** all about football and didn't want him in the job from day one.
All my humble opinion of course.

It’s a nice idea but no manager is going to get two years in charge of an underperforming side in the hope they’ll come good eventually.

All manager have short term accountability and rightly so too.

[Broxburn Greens]

I’ve been an advocate for giving LJ more time and agreeing with the “we can’t keep sacking managers” line.

Yesterday though was really alarming in that we seemed to have no shape, the players weren’t aware of where they should be and no real plan or focal point for going forward. In short we were shambolic at times yesterday.

From no wanting him sacked I’m now really on the fence, a doing next Sunday will pile the pressure on and after yesterday I have little confidence we can get a result against Hearts.

[gaz1875]

Give him a couple of full seasons and we'll see how out of his depth he is. Those claiming he's out of his depth know **** all about football and didn't want him in the job from day one.
All my humble opinion of course.

What players have he improved since he took over? I know **** all about football, but I know if I see improvement in personal performances, the manager is doing something. Even the new players IMHO have regressed.

[Callum_62]

All those shouting for Johnson to be sacked are inviting disaster. Contrary to some of the noises being made we do NOT look like relegation candidates. Yes we should be doing better but we won't get that by acting like neurotic trigger happy panic merchants. Any new manager would be dealing with the SAME shortcomings only with little to no insight into what they actually are. In other words back to where we started with MORE transition, more disruption and change of style and approach. We need consistency and the chance for a manager to build a team.We ere currently 8th in the last 6 form guide

To be fair to we were near to or bottomfor quite a while

Its one reason why I don't thibk we will or shoukd sack him now - said it last night 4/6 in last 2 is acceptable and we have stopped the alarming amount of losses

I also don't get the argument about 'without Nisbet etc'

He's one of our best players, ofcourse we need him (like Boyle) and we do have him

I don't get how that's a stick to beat us with

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[Callum_62]

What players have he improved since he took over? I know **** all about football, but I know if I see improvement in personal performances, the manager is doing something. Even the new players IMHO have regressed.Rocky, Campbell

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[B.H.F.C]

All those shouting for Johnson to be sacked are inviting disaster. Contrary to some of the noises being made we do NOT look like relegation candidates. Yes we should be doing better but we won't get that by acting like neurotic trigger happy panic merchants. Any new manager would be dealing with the SAME shortcomings only with little to no insight into what they actually are. In other words back to where we started with MORE transition, more disruption and change of style and approach. We need consistency and the chance for a manager to build a team.

The manager needs to prove himself capable of getting the best out of the players. Playing players in their right and most effective position would be a start.

He needs to earn the time with results and and he’s not doing that so far.

[gaz1875]

Rocky, Campbell

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You really think Campbell and Rocky have both improved? Rocky has been the best of an atrocious defence, and Campbell is no better than he was last season

[Callum_62]

You really think Campbell and Rocky have both improved? Rocky has been the best of an atrocious defence, and Campbell is no better than he was last seasonCampbell has contributed much more this season

Surely no one can argue Rocky has improved?

If you are there's zero point giving an opinion of anything positive as it will just be dismissed

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[Ronniekirk]

And if the DoF isn’t in until summer and we’re flirting with the play off spot come March time, do we just continue to persist? No thanks.

He’s incapable of turning this around

If Nisbet stays fit and doesn’t get injured again or sold we won’t go down imo The D of F won’t be appointed in January I don’t think So the question for Ron is Back L J or sack him . The worry would be if he keeps him and doesn’t back him this window If we go out the Cup the season would be finished snd attendance s would fall
So I think he has to back him ,but to have not o d new player in fir the Cup game is poor

[sauzeelegod]

This was only a year ago

https://youtu.be/lmJqFU6v9H8

What the ****** has happened to us 🙈

[basehibby]

You really think Campbell and Rocky have both improved? Rocky has been the best of an atrocious defence, and Campbell is no better than he was last season

Eh?!? Campbell is miles ahead of where he was last season. I don't remember Campbell of last season delivering superb finishes like vs Huns - or sublime through balls like 1st derby. He is right up there on our scoring and assist charts and deservedly among our 1st picks - a massive improvement.

[Onion]

All those shouting for Johnson to be sacked are inviting disaster. Contrary to some of the noises being made we do NOT look like relegation candidates. Yes we should be doing better but we won't get that by acting like neurotic trigger happy panic merchants. Any new manager would be dealing with the SAME shortcomings only with little to no insight into what they actually are. In other words back to where we started with MORE transition, more disruption and change of style and approach. We need consistency and the chance for a manager to build a team.

Agree with this. As long as we're clear of relegation we need to stick with LJ and accept that with this bunch of below average players we're no better than a mid-table team. Seriously, can you ever imagine this lot playing in Europe :greengrin

BUT, IMO LJ is not the man to take us beyond this season. The Board and Owner need to be thinking now about who is going to replace LJ at the start of the summer. Get the deadwood players out, a DOF in, new manager and start recruiting key players over the summer. Unless we see this kind of plan coming together, I'd worry about ST sales for next season.

[Hibiza]

Johnson is just a daydreaming storyteller.imho ,

[gaz1875]

Campbell has contributed much more this season

Surely no one can argue Rocky has improved?

If you are there's zero point giving an opinion of anything positive as it will just be dismissed

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I would never say anyone shouldn't have an opinion, he looks better in a worse defence in my eyes, and Campbell despite starting the season looking like a different player from last, has regressed in the past weeks. He could be playing in an unsuitable position and that could be his issue. In my opinion it's the same with most players we have. The manager appearing to have no game plan is the cause of this. Campbell got a contract extension after a man marking job against Rangers in the semi final (3-1 game), Rocky got his contract because of an admin error. Both really should be no where near our first team starting line up just now, but there are no other options.

[basehibby]

This was only a year ago

https://youtu.be/lmJqFU6v9H8

What the ****** has happened to us 🙈

I think you know very well - we sacked our rookie manager for whom this kind of penetrative play was the exception rather than the rule - the general consensus being that he was trying to get us to play like Man City with players that were well.... just not on the same level as Man City really. Maloney was therefore sacked basically for his naivety as much as anything else.

We subsequently appointed a manager of similar age but with much more experience who we know very well favours a more direct style of play having stated upon his appointment that he was generally happy with 53-54% posession in a game and that he liked to get the ball forward quickly rather than knock it about at the back.

[Stuart93]

Give him a couple of full seasons and we'll see how out of his depth he is. Those claiming he's out of his depth know **** all about football and didn't want him in the job from day one.
All my humble opinion of course.

So far, up here managing us he’s completely out of his depth.

You can keep telling yourself everyone else knows nothing about football but we all know where this is heading. It’s just a matter of time. His team selections, tactics, formations are all over the place.

Whether people wanted him in the job or not doesn’t make how he’s performing any worse.

[DIXIHIBS]

This was only a year ago

https://youtu.be/lmJqFU6v9H8

What the ****** has happened to us 🙈

After 20 passes the ball was back at the goalie. No or limited fans at the games allowed players to do that. If hibs tried that now the fans would be on their backs after 10 passses never mind 20. Imo hibs got 3rd a couple of years ago because they were allowed a slower/patient style as no fans. Never gonna happen now.

[007]

Johnson looking for a payout IMO.

Some of his teams and interviews it defo feels like it.

If the poster who said there's a clause in his contract where he gets no compensation if he doesn't get top 6 is right then you are totally wrong.

[gaz1875]

This was only a year ago

https://youtu.be/lmJqFU6v9H8

What the ****** has happened to us ��

We struggle to make 3-4 passes together since Johnson took over.

[GreenGray]

After 20 passes the ball was back at the goalie. No or limited fans at the games allowed players to do that. If hibs tried that now the fans would be on their backs after 10 passses never mind 20. Imo hibs got 3rd a couple of years ago because they were allowed a slower/patient style as no fans. Never gonna happen now.

To be fair there might be something in that[emoji23]

I watched a clip of prime Barca pinging it about for fun for a good few minutes. They wouldn’t get away with that at Easter Road! Fans near me moan if we pass it back to the keeper


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[marinello59]

Johnson looking for a payout IMO.

Some of his teams and interviews it defo feels like it.

I doubt that. Getting sacked by us after less than a season will ultimately cost him money as his CV would be trashed.

[HH81]

If the poster who said there's a clause in his contract where he gets no compensation if he doesn't get top 6 is right then you are totally wrong.

I doubt it would apply before the end of the season if sacked.

[marinello59]

After 20 passes the ball was back at the goalie. No or limited fans at the games allowed players to do that. If hibs tried that now the fans would be on their backs after 10 passses never mind 20. Imo hibs got 3rd a couple of years ago because they were allowed a slower/patient style as no fans. Never gonna happen now.

:agree:
Football during covid was a different game, you can’t underestimate the influence that crowds have on a game whether that be negative or positive.

[Callum_62]

:agree:
Football during covid was a different game, you can’t underestimate the influence that crowds have on a game whether that be negative or positive.I remember Sean Maloney telling Newell to ignore the crowds restlessness

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[Baldy Foghorn]

After 20 passes the ball was back at the goalie. No or limited fans at the games allowed players to do that. If hibs tried that now the fans would be on their backs after 10 passses never mind 20. Imo hibs got 3rd a couple of years ago because they were allowed a slower/patient style as no fans. Never gonna happen now.

Agree, there was booing yesterday after 9 minutes, after sloppy play. Our fans are restless at present

[gaz1875]

Agree, there was booing yesterday after 9 minutes, after sloppy play. Our fans are restless at present


The booing was probably down to the team selection and the intuition by most fans there it was a shocker the way the team was set up.

[Baldy Foghorn]

The booing was probably down to the team selection and the intuition by most fans there it was a shocker the way the team was set up.

Don't disagree but it is certainly the earliest I can recall booing of the team.

[raeburnhibs]

The booing was probably down to the team selection and the intuition by most fans there it was a shocker the way the team was set up.

definitely, a mistake by a midfielder playing RB, the system change was made immediately after it and the same midfielder back in more comfortable territory was heavily involved in the first equaliser

[007]

I doubt it would apply before the end of the season if sacked.

Regardless of whether it would or not, or if such a clause even exists, I find it hard to believe he's deliberately trying to get sacked. Despite how bad we've been, we're not yet out of the running for Europe so I think he'll be believing he can turn it around, with the help of a couple of decent signings. Why would be happy to accept a blemish on his CV?

[007]

I remember Sean Maloney telling Newell to ignore the crowds restlessness

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Easier said than done.

[Crunchie]

So far, up here managing us he’s completely out of his depth.

You can keep telling yourself everyone else knows nothing about football but we all know where this is heading. It’s just a matter of time. His team selections, tactics, formations are all over the place.

Whether people wanted him in the job or not doesn’t make how he’s performing any worse.
You're never happy, not even when we're winning, last weeks match day thread v Motherwell a prime example, your many posts were 99% negative. You'd like to think you know where it's heading, but you know nothing, the fact you think you do says it all.

[WeeRussell]

You're never happy, not even when we're winning, last weeks match day thread v Motherwell a prime example, your many posts were 99% negative. You'd like to think you know where it's heading, but you know nothing, the fact you think you do says it all.

Stuart it a very negative poster, I’m sure he’ll admit that himself.

However, you surely can’t argue that the signs are positive at the club just now and that LJ looks comfortable, or even competent at this stage? I’m usually doing my best to grab some optimism and argue with the likes of Stuart but quoting where our manager has been in the past doesn’t excuse any part of where we are right now.

He and we are proper toiling just now.

[WhileTheChief..]

All those shouting for Johnson to be sacked are inviting disaster. Contrary to some of the noises being made we do NOT look like relegation candidates. Yes we should be doing better but we won't get that by acting like neurotic trigger happy panic merchants. Any new manager would be dealing with the SAME shortcomings only with little to no insight into what they actually are. In other words back to where we started with MORE transition, more disruption and change of style and approach. We need consistency and the chance for a manager to build a team.

But that suggests that there isn't anyone out there who could get better results with the same squad of players.

I just don't see that as being the case. I think we could easily find a manager that would get us more points between now and the end of the season.

Consistency is over rated when performing so poorly. We need improvement and I don't think LJ is the man to deliver it.

That's not panicking or being trigger happy. It's a well thought through, considered, point of view.

[wookie70]

This was only a year ago

https://youtu.be/lmJqFU6v9H8

What the ****** has happened to us 🙈

I think both goals yesterday were better than that. I guess that would have been ruled out for offside this year too. Not every football fan enjoys pointless possession and that goal most important pass was a mediocre and speculation cross into teh box by Drey Wright. Getting the ball in the box is what I want to see not centre halves and midfielders playing keep ball.

[Silky]

But that suggests that there isn't anyone out there who could get better results with the same squad of players.

I just don't see that as being the case. I think we could easily find a manager that would get us more points between now and the end of the season.

Consistency is over rated when performing so poorly. We need improvement and I don't think LJ is the man to deliver it.

That's not panicking or being trigger happy. It's a well thought through, considered, point of view.

These players, or the vast majority of them, have seen off a couple of managers. I don't think the manager is the problem.

[BSEJVT]

It seems that the best justification folk have for keeping Johnson is that we can’t keeping sacking managers.

We can if they aren’t up to the job at hand and should in his case.

Better clubs than Hibs have made duff managerial appointment after appointment.

It’s not like an arithmetic paper where you know that 2+2=4

There are any number of imponderables, some of which are completely out with your control

Selections are bizarre

Players played continuously out of position

Out of form players continuously selected

Youth not given a chance

I honestly can’t find one redeeming factor for him

I spoke to an ex Hibs Manager today, he was pretty critical of what’s going on

When I suggested Johnson was working his ticket he didn’t disagree

Out of fairness to him I won’t name him

[WeeRussell]

It seems that the best justification folk have for keeping Johnson is that we can’t keeping sacking managers.

We can if they aren’t up to the job at hand and should in his case.

Better clubs than Hibs have made duff managerial appointment after appointment.

It’s not like an arithmetic paper where you know that 2+2=4

There are any number of imponderables, some of which are completely out with your control

Selections are bizarre

Players played continuously out of position

Out of form players continuously selected

Youth not given a chance

I honestly can’t find one redeeming factor for him

I spoke to an ex Hibs Manager today, he was pretty critical of what’s going on

When I suggested Johnson was working his ticket he didn’t disagree

Out of fairness to him I won’t name him

I think your general point is correct - one manager shouldn’t get lucky and get to stay in a job, when not good enough, purely because of what has went before him.

Also on your last point, have you been with La Motta and his ex-playing pal today? That would narrow down the investigation a bit 😁

[BSEJVT]

I think your general point is correct - one manager shouldn’t get lucky and get to stay in a job, when not good enough, purely because of what has went before him.

Also on your last point, have you been with La Motta and his ex-playing pal today? That would narrow down the investigation a bit 😁

Sorry don’t know La Motta

[Glory Lurker]

It seems that the best justification folk have for keeping Johnson is that we can’t keeping sacking managers.

We can if they aren’t up to the job at hand and should in his case.

Better clubs than Hibs have made duff managerial appointment after appointment.

It’s not like an arithmetic paper where you know that 2+2=4

There are any number of imponderables, some of which are completely out with your control

Selections are bizarre

Players played continuously out of position

Out of form players continuously selected

Youth not given a chance

I honestly can’t find one redeeming factor for him

I spoke to an ex Hibs Manager today, he was pretty critical of what’s going on

When I suggested Johnson was working his ticket he didn’t disagree

Out of fairness to him I won’t name him

Please let it be Dan McMichael. That would be awesome!

[GreenGray]

These players, or the vast majority of them, have seen off a couple of managers. I don't think the manager is the problem.

I was of that opinion, but I’m fairly certain a half decent manager could get that squad winning games at home against St Johnstone, Ross County and Dundee United. Or at least winning one.

Picking players in their correct position would help.


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[basehibby]

Don't disagree but it is certainly the earliest I can recall booing of the team.

It's a sign of a lilly livered pant wetting element in our support. Teams must love coming to ER as they know they only have to get in the faces of the Hibs players for 10 mins or so to get some Hibs fans on their back.

I'm not a boo-er as a rule as I see it as counter-productive - but even then I can accept booing at THE END of a pish performance (or even at HT) when fans want to make it clear they are not happy. Some idiots at ER on Saturday just could not wait to start their barracking and it pisses me off something rotten. They are clearly a negative influence and in effect undermining the performances of our players. If you are reading in and it was you booing after 10 mins then YES I am criticising YOU - your are and EMBARASSMENT

[B.H.F.C]

It's a sign of a lilly livered pant wetting element in our support. Teams must love coming to ER as they know they only have to get in the faces of the Hibs players for 10 mins or so to get some Hibs fans on their back.

I'm not a boo-er as a rule as I see it as counter-productive - but even then I can accept booing at THE END of a pish performance (or even at HT) when fans want to make it clear they are not happy. Some idiots at ER on Saturday just could not wait to start their barracking and it pisses me off something rotten. They are clearly a negative influence and in effect undermining the performances of our players. If you are reading in and it was you booing after 10 mins then YES I am criticising YOU - your are and EMBARASSMENT

I wasn’t standing up booing myself but you cannot come out like we did in the first 10-15 minutes yesterday and expect anything other than a bit of hostility from the crowd. The attitude we started the game with was nothing short of a disgrace.

[wookie70]

I wasn’t standing up booing myself but you cannot come out like we did in the first 10-15 minutes yesterday and expect anything other than a bit of hostility from the crowd. The attitude we started the game with was nothing short of a disgrace.

We also got better after the boos albeit with a change of formation. The change may have been hastened by the boos too. I think the Hibs support have been incredibly patient and supportive this year. The discontent probably started at the team announcement, made worse when we say the players line up and knew the inevitable was coming. There was a complete lack of effort and dare I say football IQ in the first 10 minutes and the players and manager got a reminder that we will only tolerate so much complete incompetence and lack of effort. I didn't boo during the game but couldn't help myself at half time. I actually think a bit of discontent from the stands can spur players on. It can't be constant and shouldn't be directed at a single player but yesterday I think it did more good than harm

[B.H.F.C]

We also got better after the boos albeit with a change of formation. The change may have been hastened by the boos too. I think the Hibs support have been incredibly patient and supportive this year. The discontent probably started at the team announcement, made worse when we say the players line up and knew the inevitable was coming. There was a complete lack of effort and dare I say football IQ in the first 10 minutes and the players and manager got a reminder that we will only tolerate so much complete incompetence and lack of effort. I didn't boo during the game but couldn't help myself at half time. I actually think a bit of discontent from the stands can spur players on. It can't be constant and shouldn't be directed at a single player but yesterday I think it did more good than harm

Agree. I can’t ever remember us starting a game as badly as yesterday. In part it was down to the team selection because the players were probably thinking the same as us. But once they were on the pitch not one of them showed a bit of intent either with or without the ball. I also agree on the general point that our support have been pretty patient and supportive this season. The support are desperate for a team to back and we’re just not getting it just now.

[Carheenlea]

I’m getting a feeling that for quite a few fans, a defeat in the cup on Saturday is perhaps the preferred option.

If we win, it might have the air of a very unwelcome win for some. Of course, nobody will be saying such publicly for obvious reasons, but deep down some would have to admit the loss is a preferred outcome so as to accelerate the removal of a manager that is detested my many.

As derbies go, it has a bit of a different feel to it than normal.

[04Sauzee]

I’m getting a feeling that for quite a few fans, a defeat in the cup on Saturday is perhaps the preferred option.

If we win, it might have the air of a very unwelcome win for some. Of course, nobody will be saying such publicly for obvious reasons, but deep down some would have to admit the loss is a preferred outcome so as to accelerate the removal of a manager that is detested my many.

As derbies go, it has a bit of a different feel to it than normal.
Sorry but I'm happy for LJ to remain in situ for at least another week if it means we get a win in the cup against them. No danger do I want us losing this.

[jakeshibs]

It seems that the best justification folk have for keeping Johnson is that we can’t keeping sacking managers.

We can if they aren’t up to the job at hand and should in his case.

Better clubs than Hibs have made duff managerial appointment after appointment.

It’s not like an arithmetic paper where you know that 2+2=4

There are any number of imponderables, some of which are completely out with your control

Selections are bizarre

Players played continuously out of position

Out of form players continuously selected

Youth not given a chance

I honestly can’t find one redeeming factor for him

I spoke to an ex Hibs Manager today, he was pretty critical of what’s going on

When I suggested Johnson was working his ticket he didn’t disagree

Out of fairness to him I won’t name him

If we keep sacking managers and paying them compensation, how will we ever afford to buy quality players for our squad?

[Box 17]

Look at Hecky at Sheffield Utd. Like LJ he was getting pelters on here before he went.
Wonder where we would be if we'd given him a decent amount of time?

[SHODAN]

I’m getting a feeling that for quite a few fans, a defeat in the cup on Saturday is perhaps the preferred option.

If we win, it might have the air of a very unwelcome win for some. Of course, nobody will be saying such publicly for obvious reasons, but deep down some would have to admit the loss is a preferred outcome so as to accelerate the removal of a manager that is detested my many.

As derbies go, it has a bit of a different feel to it than normal.

"Tactically lose to Hearts" is the absolute best example I've ever seen of our attitude towards Edinburgh derbies as a club and fan base. Would you ever hear one of them say something like this?

I would 100% take a win against Hearts even if it meant keeping a bad manager. The win would be even sweeter with a bad manager and out-of-form team. I can't believe I'm actually having to say this.

[B.H.F.C]

Look at Hecky at Sheffield Utd. Like LJ he was getting pelters on here before he went.
Wonder where we would be if we'd given him a decent amount of time?

Possibly back in The Championship because he had no idea how to get the best out of the players we had. We were dire.

Sometimes a manager just doesn’t work in a certain place. Just because they go on to do a good job at a different club, doesn’t meant we were wrong to get rid.

[GreenGray]

I’m getting a feeling that for quite a few fans, a defeat in the cup on Saturday is perhaps the preferred option.

If we win, it might have the air of a very unwelcome win for some. Of course, nobody will be saying such publicly for obvious reasons, but deep down some would have to admit the loss is a preferred outcome so as to accelerate the removal of a manager that is detested my many.

As derbies go, it has a bit of a different feel to it than normal.

Do you actually feel that or just saying it to get your point across?

Surely you can’t believe any Hibs fan would want it lose next week


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[Glory Lurker]

I’m getting a feeling that for quite a few fans, a defeat in the cup on Saturday is perhaps the preferred option.

If we win, it might have the air of a very unwelcome win for some. Of course, nobody will be saying such publicly for obvious reasons, but deep down some would have to admit the loss is a preferred outcome so as to accelerate the removal of a manager that is detested my many.

As derbies go, it has a bit of a different feel to it than normal.

I imagine there's a few folk subscribing to that, but I definitely amn't. I want us to win, as badly as I want us to beat them every time we play them. I want us to win the Cup.

[basehibby]

I’m getting a feeling that for quite a few fans, a defeat in the cup on Saturday is perhaps the preferred option.

If we win, it might have the air of a very unwelcome win for some. Of course, nobody will be saying such publicly for obvious reasons, but deep down some would have to admit the loss is a preferred outcome so as to accelerate the removal of a manager that is detested my many.

As derbies go, it has a bit of a different feel to it than normal.

I get the feeling that no manager will satisfy all of our fans unless he has the actual sun shinning out his erse or (even more improbably) gets us winning the league title in short order. Let's face it - even cup winning legend Stubsy had his detractors.

Johnson is certainly not in the sun-shines-oot-his-erchie category - he has made mistakes alright and sometimes spraffs some moonshine in an interview. That said he has demonstrated an ability to turn a team around and go on successfull runs prior to his time at Hibs, and I retain some faith that, given a wee bit of patience and appropriate backing, he might manage the same here at ER. Beating the Jambos in the cup would be a major step in the right direction and a very welcome one for me. Anyone who wishes to see us knocked out the cup by THEM is not any kind of a supporter that I understand and is not worth listening to IMO.

[patstanton70]

I get the feeling that no manager will satisfy all of our fans unless he has the actual sun shinning out his erse or (even more improbably) gets us winning the league title in short order. Let's face it - even cup winning legend Stubsy had his detractors.

Johnson is certainly not in the sun-shines-oot-his-erchie category - he has made mistakes alright and sometimes spraffs some moonshine in an interview. That said he has demonstrated an ability to turn a team around and go on successfull runs prior to his time at Hibs, and I retain some faith that, given a wee bit of patience and appropriate backing, he might manage the same here at ER. Beating the Jambos in the cup would be a major step in the right direction and a very welcome one for me. Anyone who wishes to see us knocked out the cup by THEM is not any kind of a supporter that I understand and is not worth listening to IMO.
Well said

[paddy1875]

I get the feeling that no manager will satisfy all of our fans unless he has the actual sun shinning out his erse or (even more improbably) gets us winning the league title in short order. Let's face it - even cup winning legend Stubsy had his detractors.

Johnson is certainly not in the sun-shines-oot-his-erchie category - he has made mistakes alright and sometimes spraffs some moonshine in an interview. That said he has demonstrated an ability to turn a team around and go on successfull runs prior to his time at Hibs, and I retain some faith that, given a wee bit of patience and appropriate backing, he might manage the same here at ER. Beating the Jambos in the cup would be a major step in the right direction and a very welcome one for me. Anyone who wishes to see us knocked out the cup by THEM is not any kind of a supporter that I understand and is not worth listening to IMO.

He’s lost 80% of the fans and I know he’s lost a huge percentage of the dressing room.

I mean I think we all want a win against them on Sunday but surely you must see that he is not taking us in the right direction. The team selection on Saturday is a clear indication of that.

A win will be great but we’ll be back to square 1 after the next defeat.

I’ll openly say that I just don’t like him. I don’t think he’s the right man for the job. I don’t think he’ll take us where we all want to be. His team selections at times are shocking. He does not inspire me to make the effort and turn up to use my season ticket. His chat was funny at first but now i just find him hugely arrogant and patronising. Maybe that’s just his personality but it’s just not working.

It’s like David Brent and Mike Bassett had a child together.


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[marinello59]

He’s lost 80% of the fans and I know he’s lost a huge percentage of the dressing room.

I mean I think we all want a win against them on Sunday but surely you must see that he is not taking us in the right direction. The team selection on Saturday is a clear indication of that.

A win will be great but we’ll be back to square 1 after the next defeat.

I’ll openly say that I just don’t like him. I don’t think he’s the right man for the job. I don’t think he’ll take us where we all want to be. His team selections at times are shocking. He does not inspire me to make the effort and turn up to use my season ticket. His chat was funny at first but now i just find him hugely arrogant and patronising. Maybe that’s just his personality but it’s just not working.

It’s like David Brent and Mike Bassett had a child together.


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How do you know he’s lost the dressing room?

[paddy1875]

How do you know he’s lost the dressing room?

Just trust me


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[marinello59]

Just trust me


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I trust nobody.

[paddy1875]

I trust nobody.

Either do I


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[HFC 0-7]

If we keep sacking managers and paying them compensation, how will we ever afford to buy quality players for our squad?

If we keep a rubbish manager and finish low in the league or worse, get pumped out of cups at the first hurdle and just generally play terrible, how will we afford quality players?

[hibsbollah]

He’s lost 80% of the fans and I know he’s lost a huge percentage of the dressing room.

I mean I think we all want a win against them on Sunday but surely you must see that he is not taking us in the right direction. The team selection on Saturday is a clear indication of that.

A win will be great but we’ll be back to square 1 after the next defeat.

I’ll openly say that I just don’t like him. I don’t think he’s the right man for the job. I don’t think he’ll take us where we all want to be. His team selections at times are shocking. He does not inspire me to make the effort and turn up to use my season ticket. His chat was funny at first but now i just find him hugely arrogant and patronising. Maybe that’s just his personality but it’s just not working.

It’s like David Brent and Mike Bassett had a child together.


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Awful post. No evidence that you are ITK, no analysis, you just want us to know you hate him.

I suspect dressing rooms are ‘lost’ a tiny percentage of times when a team is struggling. Players play for themselves, their next contract and their short careers, and I trust they’ll be trying as hard as they can on Sunday. Any other chat is just suspiciously troublemaking.

[paddy1875]

Awful post. No evidence that you are ITK, no analysis, you just want us to know you hate him.

I suspect dressing rooms are ‘lost’ a tiny percentage of times when a team is struggling. Players play for themselves, their next contract and their short careers, and I trust they’ll be trying as hard as they can on Sunday. Any other chat is just suspiciously troublemaking.

Iv not said I hate him. I don’t like him.

No analysis? I’m not sure what you mean? We’ve all been watching his team play this season?


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[marinello59]

Either do I


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So why should I believe you know the dressing room is lost if you can’t back it up?

[Lago]

I get the feeling that no manager will satisfy all of our fans unless he has the actual sun shinning out his erse or (even more improbably) gets us winning the league title in short order. Let's face it - even cup winning legend Stubsy had his detractors.

Johnson is certainly not in the sun-shines-oot-his-erchie category - he has made mistakes alright and sometimes spraffs some moonshine in an interview. That said he has demonstrated an ability to turn a team around and go on successfull runs prior to his time at Hibs, and I retain some faith that, given a wee bit of patience and appropriate backing, he might manage the same here at ER. Beating the Jambos in the cup would be a major step in the right direction and a very welcome one for me. Anyone who wishes to see us knocked out the cup by THEM is not any kind of a supporter that I understand and is not worth listening to IMO.
Love your post 👍

[Skol1972]

He may or may not have lost the dressing room. I do not know. But if he has a good number of the players in the dressing room were there when Ross and Maloney were sacked. Maybe some are not as good as they think they are.

[NC1875]

Does look like one of his ***** jackets to be fair

[paddy1875]

Does look like one of his ***** jackets to be fair

That was my conclusion aswell. Once I noticed he had his own face as his WhatsApp background I knew it was him


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[madhatter]

Impressive timing on the picture taking. Waited until Lee had finished his sentence and put the full stop and everything.

[paddy1875]

So who is the serious weirdo taking picture of what may or may not be LJ's phone? Shocking behaviour

[emoji23][emoji23] I don’t know man. I was just sent this in my group message


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[NC1875]

125 unread messages….what’s he playing at

They’re from Bojang

[Iain G]

125 unread messages….what’s he playing at

That's 125 offers for Newell we have missed out on 🤣

[paddy1875]

Impressive timing on the picture taking. Waited until Lee had finished his sentence and put the full stop and everything.

Don’t shoot the messenger madhatter. There’s more words in the next 3 he sent


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[SteveHFC]

125 unread messages….what’s he playing at

I’ve got 28 unread messages on my phone :greengrin

[madhatter]

Don’t shoot the messenger madhatter. There’s more words in the next 3 he sent


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No shooting, just found it funny. Also with the proximity in the shot it looks like Lee was intending on sharing his messages.

[NC1875]

Don’t shoot the messenger madhatter. There’s more words in the next 3 he sent


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Spill then

[paddy1875]

Spill then

It said……mind pack a winter jacket, it gets cold up in Dingwall. Ill give you a one of mines if you like.


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[paddy1875]

No shooting, just found it funny. Also with the proximity in the shot it looks like Lee was intending on sharing his messages.

That’s the zoomed in one. The real original doesn’t look like the text message assassin isn’t on Johnson’s shoulders


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[Iain G]

That’s the zoomed in one. The real original doesn’t look like the text message assassin isn’t on Johnson’s shoulders


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Was he or she dangling suspended from a helicopter to get that angle then? 🤣

It has a whiff of pish about it 🤣

[paddy1875]

You have taken all that from this dodgy looking pic? Good grief.

Not really this is just part of what Iv been told.

But the way he’s been treated hasn’t gone down well.


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[madhatter]

Not really this is just part of what Iv been told.

But the way he’s been treated hasn’t gone down well.


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Why haven't the players gone to Ben?

[Iain G]

Why haven't the players gone to Ben?

They only have the address for Petrie's house still...

[Gordy M]

Not really this is just part of what Iv been told.

But the way he’s been treated hasn’t gone down well.


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Is that Instagram they are messaging on?? How times have changed from a good old fashioned text message!!! Or phone call.

[marinello59]

I mean it's certainly on a tram! Sure it's invasion of privacy though taking pictures of private messages like that, if it is real.

Even if it was real it is hardly damning, a picture of a man accepting an apology. Hang him. :greengrin

[marinello59]

Why haven't the players gone to Ben?

Maybe he took the pic. :greengrin

[007]

Just trust me


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How can we trust you when you make p**h up like he's lost 80% of the fans? Where did you get that number? Even the latest poll on here says 49% want him out.

[paddy1875]

I mean it's certainly on a tram! Sure it's invasion of privacy though taking pictures of private messages like that, if it is real.

Is it bad patter? Will I take it down?


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[paddy1875]

How can we trust you when you make p**h up like he's lost 80% of the fans? Where did you get that number? Even the latest poll on here says 49% want him out.

Calm yourself down double 0. 80% of our support aren’t on hibs.net.

The turnout for Sundays game will tell you how the fans are feeling


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[Iain G]

Even if it was real it is hardly damning, a picture of a man accepting an apology. Hang him. :greengrin

Yeah surely with his huge ego he would be demanding a sacrifice or be showered with chocolates and flowers and new camel coloured outerwear before accepting an appology? 🤣

[Iain G]

Is it bad patter? Will I take it down?


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More just worried about you posting it on .net? Not sure what the legality of it is

[paddy1875]

Yeah surely with his huge ego he would be demanding a sacrifice or be showered with chocolates and flowers and new camel coloured outerwear before accepting an appology? [emoji1787]

He’s sent the guy upto Dingwall while we’re playing one of our better centre half’s in his position. Thats a sacrifice


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[paddy1875]

Who sent it to you?

Rebecca Vardy


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[Iain G]

Who sent it to you?

Ian Gordon 😁

[RIP]

Honestly. Sometimes I think this site has been taken over by twelve year old laddies who never leave their bedrooms.

[paddy1875]

More just worried about you posting it on .net? Not sure what the legality of it is

I’ll take it off then mate. Sorry for spilling the beans


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[007]

Calm yourself down double 0. 80% of our support aren’t on hibs.net.

The turnout for Sundays game will tell you how the fans are feeling


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I would agree that .net isn't a total representation of the whole support but it is moreso than 1 person, you, having a guess at it.

[Iain G]

[QUOTE=paddy1875;7233587]I’ll take it off then mate. Sorry for spilling the beans


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Hey don't listen to me! Just maybe check with an admin?

[paddy1875]

I would agree that .net isn't a total representation of the whole support but it is moreso than 1 person, you, having a guess at it.

Aye youre right mate. Sorry for saying 80%


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[007]

Rebecca Vardy


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No doubt it will now do the rounds on social media like the one before the last derby so well done to you in advance for your part in it.

[paddy1875]

No doubt it will now do the rounds on social media like the one before the last derby so well done to you in advance for your part in it.

But if we win do I get all the credit?


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[cameronw-hfc]

Who sent it to you?

Regardless of if it's fake or not, this is pretty disappointing behavior from whoever took the picture. Being a crap manager doesn't excuse invasion of privacy, it's not even a leaked text sent to someone else, this is just blatantly wrong. Crap manager or not, LJ doesn't deserve that.

[WeeRussell]

I’ll take it off then mate. Sorry for spilling the beans


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I hate to cast a doubt on your whole spilling the beans/ITK thing. But why is there an apparent option to go back to Instagram attached to Kenneth’s name at the top of the conversation, which is on WhatsApp?

Especially when Lee Johnson isn’t on Instagram.

[paddy1875]

I don’t have instagram mate? I’m just presuming it’s a whatapp


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[paddy1875]

I don’t have instagram mate? I’m just presuming it’s a whatapp


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As it’s got a background picture


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[paddy1875]

Anyway Iv taken it down….I think? I’m away to Google defence solicitors and bolt the doors


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[WeeRussell]

I don’t have instagram mate? I’m just presuming it’s a whatapp


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The image is of a WhatsApp conversation yeah. I’m wondering why the word ‘Instagram’ appears to be randomly sitting on the top left of the screen, slightly cut-off as if it’s part of Kenneh’s contact window.

I haven’t got the most up-to-date IPhone but it looks slightly strange to me…

[paddy1875]

That’s the last app used. So if somebody messages you while using an app and you click on the message it give you that option to go back to the app you were last on while you got the message.


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[SaulGoodman]

The image is of a WhatsApp conversation yeah. I’m wondering why the word ‘Instagram’ appears to be randomly sitting on the top left of the screen, slightly cut-off as if it’s part of Kenneh’s contact window.

I haven’t got the most up-to-date IPhone but it looks slightly strange to me…

He would’ve been on Instagram when he opened the WhatsApp notification , the iPhone keeps the last app you were on at the top left of the screen so you can go back to what you were doing easier after replying to a message.

Whatsapp is quite commonplace nowadays for messaging people.

Also he’s not got a photo of just his own face as his wallpaper it’s a selfie of him and someone else.

Come on Hibs.net, get with the times, you squares :greengrin

[Gordy M]

The image is of a WhatsApp conversation yeah. I’m wondering why the word ‘Instagram’ appears to be randomly sitting on the top left of the screen, slightly cut-off as if it’s part of Kenneh’s contact window.

I haven’t got the most up-to-date IPhone but it looks slightly strange to me…

Is it? WhatsApp have those wee tick things do they not? Those messages don’t? But I’m no expert.

[paddy1875]

Is the picture still there? If so I can’t take it off?


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[WeeRussell]

He would’ve been on Instagram when he opened the WhatsApp notification , the iPhone keeps the last app you were on at the top left of the screen so you can go back to what you were doing easier after replying to a message.

Whatsapp is quite commonplace nowadays for messaging people.

Also he’s not got a photo of just his own face as his wallpaper it’s a selfie of him and someone else.

Come on Hibs.net, get with the times, you squares :greengrin

I wondered that about a tick to go back, but thought it looked off, particularly the way it’s cut off on the screen? Maybe I just don’t receive enough messages 😂

I certainly won’t go up against your social media investigation skills 😂👍

[WeeRussell]

Is it? WhatsApp have those wee tick things do they not? Those messages don’t? But I’m no expert.

Yeah ticks for messages you’ve sent (to show if received/read). From memory (image been removed) there was the very end of a message LJ allegedly sent in this case which did have the ticks.

Nothing untoward in that regard. Not that I’m buying it 😂

[SaulGoodman]

I wondered that about a tick to go back, but thought it looked off, particularly the way it’s cut off on the screen? Maybe I just don’t receive enough messages 😂

I certainly won’t go up against your social media investigation skills 😂👍

Went back to check and the photos gone so I guess we’ll never know😂

[paddy1875]

Went back to check and the photos gone so I guess we’ll never know[emoji23]

Sorry man. Guys making me paranoid. I’m just the middle man


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[SaulGoodman]

Sorry man. Guys making me paranoid. I’m just the middle man


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Maybe that’s why Johnson was wearing his Hitman style Agent 47 gloves yesterday..

Mind and lock your door 😂

[Johnny_Leith]

Sorry man. Guys making me paranoid. I’m just the middle man


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If it makes you feel any better it's very likely someone's either screenshot or saved a copy.

[Willis1875]

Yeah there is ticks on the top message that you can’t read,there’s not alot in that photo to suggest it is a fake

[paddy1875]

If it makes you feel any better it's very likely someone's either screenshot or saved a copy.

I’ll sleep easier now thanks 🫣


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[SaulGoodman]

I’ll sleep easier now thanks 🫣


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https://i.ibb.co/4d80Mf2/F50-CF489-CC65-4940-A243-F416-F5-D7512-F.jpg

[paddy1875]

https://i.ibb.co/4d80Mf2/F50-CF489-CC65-4940-A243-F416-F5-D7512-F.jpg

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[1875godsgift]

https://i.ibb.co/4d80Mf2/F50-CF489-CC65-4940-A243-F416-F5-D7512-F.jpg

:faf: :top marks

[LaMotta]

Can somebody explain this please for those of us just checking in?? 😅

[Stuart93]

Can somebody explain this please for those of us just checking in?? 😅

I’d also like an explanation.

I’m not convinced I’ll like the new version of agent 47.

[cameronw-hfc]

Can somebody explain this please for those of us just checking in?? 😅

Someone took a picture of Lee's phone on the tram(might be fake might not be) and he was replying to a text from Kenneh basically apologising for kicking off at him in training or something along those lines.

[Since452]

What players have he improved since he took over? I know **** all about football, but I know if I see improvement in personal performances, the manager is doing something. Even the new players IMHO have regressed.

Rocky and Nisbet. Quite dramatically.

[flash]

Rocky and Nisbet. Quite dramatically.

Josh Campbell without a doubt too.

[LaMotta]

Someone took a picture of Lee's phone on the tram(might be fake might not be) and he was replying to a text from Kenneh basically apologising for kicking off at him in training or something along those lines.

Ta:aok:

[BSEJVT]

If we keep sacking managers and paying them compensation, how will we ever afford to buy quality players for our squad?

If we keep duff managers we will end up relegated like we did under Butcher

We had off the top of my head about 3 or 4 duffers in a row and gradually the squad erodes in ability and confidence as the latest charlatan brings in his bunch of quick fixes, sound familiar?

Not one of Johnston's signings has had any impact, except Myko

[Iain G]

Yeah ticks for messages you’ve sent (to show if received/read). From memory (image been removed) there was the very end of a message LJ allegedly sent in this case which did have the ticks.

Nothing untoward in that regard. Not that I’m buying it 😂

I'm outraged that we didn't give our manager a car and he has to use public transport and risk some numpty taking photos of his phone just as he is sending Kenneh to Siberia / Dingwall :greengrin

[MKHIBEE]

Rebecca Vardy


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She’s just a grass.( according to Forest fans on Saturday)

[basehibby]

He’s lost 80% of the fans and I know he’s lost a huge percentage of the dressing room.

I mean I think we all want a win against them on Sunday but surely you must see that he is not taking us in the right direction. The team selection on Saturday is a clear indication of that.

Edit - its now FALLEN to 48.7% - away and bile yer head!
A win will be great but we’ll be back to square 1 after the next defeat.

I’ll openly say that I just don’t like him. I don’t think he’s the right man for the job. I don’t think he’ll take us where we all want to be. His team selections at times are shocking. He does not inspire me to make the effort and turn up to use my season ticket. His chat was funny at first but now i just find him hugely arrogant and patronising. Maybe that’s just his personality but it’s just not working.

It’s like David Brent and Mike Bassett had a child together.


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Last time I looked at th poll on here it was 49% - May have changed since but I think you are still making things up off the top of your head.

[paddy1875]

Last time I looked at th poll on here it was 49% - May have changed since but I think you are still making things up off the top of your head.

Like I said, .net is just a small indication of the support. The crowd on Sunday would give a better reflection of trust in him


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[basehibby]

Like I said, .net is just a small indication of the support. The crowd on Sunday would give a better reflection of trust in him


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I've got my ticket and did not piss my bed last night last time I checked

[paddy1875]

I've got my ticket and did not piss my bed last night last time I checked

Iv also got my ticket and can confirm I was saturated in urine this morning


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[basehibby]

Just trust me


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Given your propensity for making figures up out of thin air I don't trust you at all.

[I'm Spartacus]

Someone took a picture of Lee's phone on the tram(might be fake might not be) and he was replying to a text from Kenneh basically apologising for kicking off at him in training or something along those lines.

Surely Paddy has nothing to worry about, he's just shared what will 100% be doing the rounds anyway.

[cameronw-hfc]

Surely Paddy has nothing to worry about, he's just shared what will 100% be doing the rounds anyway.

Don't think anyone was having a to at him specifically, more just letting him know probably best to delete.

[I'm Spartacus]

Don't think anyone was having a to at him specifically, more just letting him know probably best to delete.

Aye sorry that's what I meant, he's not in danger of any repercussions (the words of a man who never saw the original and would love to!)

[paddy1875]

Don't think anyone was having a to at him specifically, more just letting him know probably best to delete.

[emoji1303] it’s all good. Everyone’s probably right. Maybe shouldn’t have posted it on the forum.

People were asking me why I think he’s lost the dressing room etc so I thought I’d stick in a snippet of the info Iv been given.

On reflection it probably wasn’t the best bit of info to post.


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[I'm Spartacus]

[emoji1303] it’s all good. Everyone’s probably right. Maybe shouldn’t have posted it on the forum.

People were asking me why I think he’s lost the dressing room etc so I thought I’d stick in a snippet of the info Iv been given.

On reflection it probably wasn’t the best bit of info to post.


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Could it be seen that Kenneh respects him hence the apology? Glad they have sorted it out.

Anyway, why is LJ on a tram with his phone out for all to see?! Get one of those privacy screens!

[paddy1875]

Could it be seen that Kenneh respects him hence the apology? Glad they have sorted it out.

Anyway, why is LJ on a tram with his phone out for all to see?! Get one of those privacy screens!

I’m more thinking he’s had a go at the manager, they’ve fallen out. He’s not featured from the start since the World Cup break ended. Manager says he accepts the apology but then sends him up to Dingwall while playing players out of position to cover kennehs role.


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[WeeRussell]

[emoji1303] it’s all good. Everyone’s probably right. Maybe shouldn’t have posted it on the forum.

People were asking me why I think he’s lost the dressing room etc so I thought I’d stick in a snippet of the info Iv been given.

On reflection it probably wasn’t the best bit of info to post.


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I’ve no problem with you posting the alleged exchange, but I don’t think it necessarily points to the conclusions you’re drawing and were stating as facts.

If the messages are genuine, all we know is that there seems to have been the sort of argument that will take place in a training session somewhere every day of the week, with a mature apology and acceptance to follow.

Kenneh is now on loan along with a number of our young players.

I understand you may have been told more on this to make you come out with these statements, but I think we’ve all seen enough rumours and far-fetched stories to know these things should be treated with caution.

[WhileTheChief..]

Could it be seen that Kenneh respects him hence the apology? Glad they have sorted it out.

Anyway, why is LJ on a tram with his phone out for all to see?! Get one of those privacy screens!

Are these a thing? Tell us more!

[jeffers]

I’ve no problem with you posting the alleged exchange, but I don’t think it necessarily points to the conclusions you’re drawing and were stating as facts.

If the messages are genuine, all we know is that there seems to have been the sort of argument that will take place in a training session somewhere every day of the week, with a mature apology and acceptance to follow.

Kenneh is now on loan along with a number of our young players.

I understand you may have been told more on this to make you come out with these statements, but I think we’ve all seen enough rumours and far-fetched stories to know these things should be treated with caution.

I agree with a lot of your post. I never saw an issue with the picture, though I get the point about Johnson’s privacy.

With regards your last sentence I think it all depends on where the info comes from. Some posters on here do get good, accurate information.

[I'm Spartacus]

Are these a thing? Tell us more!

Hi Lee, something like this, so only the person facing the phone can read the screen, as soon as there's an angle the visibility reduces :)

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/svkAAOSw-DJc-W70/s-l500.jpg

[paddy1875]

I’ve no problem with you posting the alleged exchange, but I don’t think it necessarily points to the conclusions you’re drawing and were stating as facts.

If the messages are genuine, all we know is that there seems to have been the sort of argument that will take place in a training session somewhere every day of the week, with a mature apology and acceptance to follow.

Kenneh is now on loan along with a number of our young players.

I understand you may have been told more on this to make you come out with these statements, but I think we’ve all seen enough rumours and far-fetched stories to know these things should be treated with caution.

Yeh fair point. I understand that.

In future I’ll not bother, people rightly questioned my opinion on him losing the dressing room. Iv put on a picture that would maybe best open up a bit more if the behind the scenes stuff going on.

I wouldn’t name anybodys name in anything I post regarding anything. I’m not fussed if people believe me or not.


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[I'm Spartacus]

Yeh fair point. I understand that.

In future I’ll not bother, people rightly questioned my opinion on him losing the dressing room. Iv put on a picture that would maybe best open up a bit more if the behind the scenes stuff going on.

I wouldn’t name anybodys name in anything I post regarding anything. I’m not fussed if people believe me or not.


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You've certainly added a decent conversation to here, just what the place was needing!

A thumbs up from me and I was a late arriver :)

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[RossScott1991]

The more I go back and read about LJ the more it seems it’s all becoming true. One look at Sunderland forum and this was a take from Bristol city fan at the time.

“Signing wise, Johnson signed a lot of dross. He signed foreigners that played next to no minutes, including the NZ goalkeeper who had arguably the worst performance any player has ever had for Bristol City ever, or maybe even any football team ever. There were a few like this. Players he talk up, pay a lot and then not play.

Things weren't all bad on the transfer front though. He'd sign Adam Webster for 4.5m from Ipswich and sell him to Brighton for up to 26m and he signed Josh Brownhill for a pittance and sell him to Burnley for 7m (although this was pretty obviously always going to happen given his obvious talent).

Johnson also played a pretty uninspiring midfielder (who I'd have happily let go on a free) up top. Bobby Reid was in his last chance saloon at Bristol City when an injury crisis saw Johnson play him up front in a very successful pre season. We'd go onto sell him to Cardiff for 10m and he now remarkably pays his trade with Fulham in the Prem. Johnson can take full credit for that.

He's also sell Johnathon Kodjia (15m to Villa), Aden Flint (7m - i forget whether to Cardiff or Boro) and Joe Bryan (6m Fulham), and whereas pro LJers would have you believe this was LJ's work, they were already at City (and had performed well) and so I'd suggest his credit in the transfers is extremely limited.

Post that defeat to Wolves, our football became awful. The worst we've ever seen at Bristol City. At the opposite end of the spectrum to what we'd seen earlier that season - hence why i used the phrase 'stumbled across a formula' earlier in this write up, it genuinely wasn't me being disingenuous. We were crap and Ashton Gate became anything but a fortress. We were weak, football was awful and more and more often fans would be calling for his head. But his good family friend Steve Lansdown stuck with him. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all bad, away from home we became masters of nicking a 0-1 win on the road, but this would (in my opinion) paper over the cracks of the dour home form.

We'd regularly enjoy a decent enough start to the season and then fade away dramatically to 8-12th spot and given the tens of millions of outgoings and then now bulging wage structure, Johnson left us with a bloated squad with players in it that we knew were quality (Tamas Kalas - 2 promotions to prom), but somehow they managed to look like sunday league players.

Don't get me started on playing players out of position, we'd see players shoehorned into the starting line up at the expense of someone who genuinely would play in the position that he needed to fill. Then there was the 'Johnson Tombola' - if you want a steady and consistent line up then I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. Our star left winger - who'd finish last season at the top of the assist making charts, couldn't get a run of games in the team no matter how well he played - can you imagine his stats if he'd got a fair crack?

Then there's the credit taking. If we won "They players stuck to my plan brilliantly", if we lost he'd single players out. I seem to recall a game where we lost heavily. He brought on a sub at half time (or there abouts) with us 2 or 3 down, the proceeded to blame him when we lost 4-0. Our ability to hold a lead became nothing short of awful - do you recall when we were 3-0 up against you at half time and drew 3-3? Awful. Blaming players is something Johnson does equally as well as taking credit himself. And he's good at excuses, blaming Villa beating us on the positioning of the away fans and excuses too... there was a time when we got completely trounced by Brentford nd he said something like "After their third goal, we more than matched them" - we lost 3-0. You getting the picture yet?

Now comes my favourite point about Lee Johnson. The Johnsonisms. He is completely full of ****. As i understand it, there was quite a David Brent type character on STID? I never got far enough into the series to meet him, but LJ is more than a match for him. It got to a point where i couldn't listen to him. Win lose or draw I couldn't stand hearing what he had to say. It was just an embarrassment - I hope you'll learn exactly what it is that i'm referring to - but let just say you'd be well placed to start a thread on "Johnsonisms" on your forum and it'll be well populated very quickly.

I'm afraid I can't bring you much joyful news about your impending appointment of Lee Johnson. There were many points during his tenure where i'd have taken anyone to replace him - literally anyone - the football was that bad.

He does silly things, like measure the length of the grass, spend a shift in A&E, go to an army training camp, spend a night in the kitchen of a Michelin starred restaurant and his latest boast is to have sat down with someone who's amassed 9,000 hours of army interrogation - this is the sort of bullsh*t that might impress the newspapers, but in reality when he's playing a LB at CD, or a winger in CM don't really matter. He's calls them the 1%'s, but the 90%'s that matter, he couldn't seem to master.

So good luck Sunderland. I'm afraid to say you're going to need it. When you hear sky Sports refer to Bristol City playing a fast attacking expansive brand of football, the reality is that they're basing it on 4 months out of 5 years. The rest was rubbish. There came a point they'd say it every time we where on TV.

I hope that A Bristol City fan can come on here an give a good counter argument. As you can tell from above I'm absolutely no LJ fan, and I might have undersold some of his strengths (thinking about the opponent strengths rather than our own is another one). There are City fans who like him, but they tend to be the ones who deliberately ignore that he only got the job because the owner is essentially his god father and backed him with more finances that we've ever seen before”

[RossScott1991]

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/lee-johnson.1534270/page-31

Full fan post about LJ at the time on this page

[J-C]

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/lee-johnson.1534270/page-31

Full fan post about LJ at the time on this page

These 2 posts sum him up perfectly and the reason I didn't want him anywhere near the club, smooth talked his way into the job.

[jeffers]

These 2 posts sum him up perfectly and the reason I didn't want him anywhere near the club, smooth talked his way into the job.

:agree: Reading things like those posts and the video of him taking training abroad had the alarm bells ringing for me, then add in all the bs he comes out with. Turns out the fans from his previous clubs weren’t wrong.

[Ronniekirk]

The more I go back and read about LJ the more it seems it’s all becoming true. One look at Sunderland forum and this was a take from Bristol city fan at the time.

“Signing wise, Johnson signed a lot of dross. He signed foreigners that played next to no minutes, including the NZ goalkeeper who had arguably the worst performance any player has ever had for Bristol City ever, or maybe even any football team ever. There were a few like this. Players he talk up, pay a lot and then not play.

Things weren't all bad on the transfer front though. He'd sign Adam Webster for 4.5m from Ipswich and sell him to Brighton for up to 26m and he signed Josh Brownhill for a pittance and sell him to Burnley for 7m (although this was pretty obviously always going to happen given his obvious talent).

Johnson also played a pretty uninspiring midfielder (who I'd have happily let go on a free) up top. Bobby Reid was in his last chance saloon at Bristol City when an injury crisis saw Johnson play him up front in a very successful pre season. We'd go onto sell him to Cardiff for 10m and he now remarkably pays his trade with Fulham in the Prem. Johnson can take full credit for that.

He's also sell Johnathon Kodjia (15m to Villa), Aden Flint (7m - i forget whether to Cardiff or Boro) and Joe Bryan (6m Fulham), and whereas pro LJers would have you believe this was LJ's work, they were already at City (and had performed well) and so I'd suggest his credit in the transfers is extremely limited.

Post that defeat to Wolves, our football became awful. The worst we've ever seen at Bristol City. At the opposite end of the spectrum to what we'd seen earlier that season - hence why i used the phrase 'stumbled across a formula' earlier in this write up, it genuinely wasn't me being disingenuous. We were crap and Ashton Gate became anything but a fortress. We were weak, football was awful and more and more often fans would be calling for his head. But his good family friend Steve Lansdown stuck with him. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all bad, away from home we became masters of nicking a 0-1 win on the road, but this would (in my opinion) paper over the cracks of the dour home form.

We'd regularly enjoy a decent enough start to the season and then fade away dramatically to 8-12th spot and given the tens of millions of outgoings and then now bulging wage structure, Johnson left us with a bloated squad with players in it that we knew were quality (Tamas Kalas - 2 promotions to prom), but somehow they managed to look like sunday league players.

Don't get me started on playing players out of position, we'd see players shoehorned into the starting line up at the expense of someone who genuinely would play in the position that he needed to fill. Then there was the 'Johnson Tombola' - if you want a steady and consistent line up then I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. Our star left winger - who'd finish last season at the top of the assist making charts, couldn't get a run of games in the team no matter how well he played - can you imagine his stats if he'd got a fair crack?

Then there's the credit taking. If we won "They players stuck to my plan brilliantly", if we lost he'd single players out. I seem to recall a game where we lost heavily. He brought on a sub at half time (or there abouts) with us 2 or 3 down, the proceeded to blame him when we lost 4-0. Our ability to hold a lead became nothing short of awful - do you recall when we were 3-0 up against you at half time and drew 3-3? Awful. Blaming players is something Johnson does equally as well as taking credit himself. And he's good at excuses, blaming Villa beating us on the positioning of the away fans and excuses too... there was a time when we got completely trounced by Brentford nd he said something like "After their third goal, we more than matched them" - we lost 3-0. You getting the picture yet?

Now comes my favourite point about Lee Johnson. The Johnsonisms. He is completely full of ****. As i understand it, there was quite a David Brent type character on STID? I never got far enough into the series to meet him, but LJ is more than a match for him. It got to a point where i couldn't listen to him. Win lose or draw I couldn't stand hearing what he had to say. It was just an embarrassment - I hope you'll learn exactly what it is that i'm referring to - but let just say you'd be well placed to start a thread on "Johnsonisms" on your forum and it'll be well populated very quickly.

I'm afraid I can't bring you much joyful news about your impending appointment of Lee Johnson. There were many points during his tenure where i'd have taken anyone to replace him - literally anyone - the football was that bad.

He does silly things, like measure the length of the grass, spend a shift in A&E, go to an army training camp, spend a night in the kitchen of a Michelin starred restaurant and his latest boast is to have sat down with someone who's amassed 9,000 hours of army interrogation - this is the sort of bullsh*t that might impress the newspapers, but in reality when he's playing a LB at CD, or a winger in CM don't really matter. He's calls them the 1%'s, but the 90%'s that matter, he couldn't seem to master.

So good luck Sunderland. I'm afraid to say you're going to need it. When you hear sky Sports refer to Bristol City playing a fast attacking expansive brand of football, the reality is that they're basing it on 4 months out of 5 years. The rest was rubbish. There came a point they'd say it every time we where on TV.

I hope that A Bristol City fan can come on here an give a good counter argument. As you can tell from above I'm absolutely no LJ fan, and I might have undersold some of his strengths (thinking about the opponent strengths rather than our own is another one). There are City fans who like him, but they tend to be the ones who deliberately ignore that he only got the job because the owner is essentially his god father and backed him with more finances that we've ever seen before”

Thst does sound very familiar now he had been here half a season .The players who are going or potentially going for any money we’re all here before he came
Bringing in plenty of players who have hardly played for team .it’s a depressing read given the position.we find ourselves in at present
Nothing there about Cup. runs but defeat to Hearts will see us dumped out both completions without progressing past first hurdle
And to make matters worse no player he has brought in looks like they will be sold for millions so he hasn’t even made money for the Club
I suspect Itvwas this latter aspect that endeared him to the Gordons in the first place

[hibee-boys]

Hi Lee, something like this, so only the person facing the phone can read the screen, as soon as there's an angle the visibility reduces :)

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/svkAAOSw-DJc-W70/s-l500.jpg

Does it work on images and videos…….asking for a friend😏

[WhileTheChief..]

Hi Lee, something like this, so only the person facing the phone can read the screen, as soon as there's an angle the visibility reduces :)

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/svkAAOSw-DJc-W70/s-l500.jpg

Thanks. Now I can say what I like about the players without those pesky Gordon's finding out.

[Stuart93]

People are constantly calling out the club, manager and players for consistently underperforming and not achieving what fans were advised they would be challenging for.

Have we to bury our heads in the sand and pretend everything’s fine and we can all be totally upbeat and buzzing on here?

It honestly confuses that people can’t make the connection between the team being terrible and the negativity on here. Hibs good less negative, hibs bad more negative, it’s really that simple.

[WeeRussell]

Yeh fair point. I understand that.

In future I’ll not bother, people rightly questioned my opinion on him losing the dressing room. Iv put on a picture that would maybe best open up a bit more if the behind the scenes stuff going on.

I wouldn’t name anybodys name in anything I post regarding anything. I’m not fussed if people believe me or not.


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No bother Paddy 👍 I don’t think anyone meant anything personal, though it might have seemed a bit like an attack after you put-up the image.

A run of the mill debate/talking point for me and certainly no issue with you trying to back up your case with the apparent evidence you had.

As I say, I’m just not sure about the conclusions you’ve drawn based on the limited parts I know, and that’s what this place is all about 👍

Actually appreciate you sharing what you’ve been told, even if the image has since been deemed inappropriate for here.

[Victor]

I am quite sure that the Manager, CEO and owner are getting up every morning thinking how they can f*** up the Club and p*** off the support. Things are bad, but they could be worse, let’s have some patience and see how things progress over the next month or so. The management have already shown that they won’t continue with a failing manager. With regards to the ‘losing the dressing room’ talk, that’s how every organisation works, managers are not there to be friends with players, if the players don’t like being criticised, then they can start doing their jobs and play to their potential. Not everything that is going on at the moment is purely down to the manager.

[paddy1875]

No bother Paddy [emoji106] I don’t think anyone meant anything personal, though it might have seemed a bit like an attack after you put-up the image.

A run of the mill debate/talking point for me and certainly no issue with you trying to back up your case with the apparent evidence you had.

As I say, I’m just not sure about the conclusions you’ve drawn based on the limited parts I know, and that’s what this place is all about [emoji106]

Actually appreciate you sharing what you’ve been told, even if the image has since been deemed inappropriate for here.

It’s all good I don’t think anybody attacked me. I removed it myself late last night as a few people thought it was maybe a bit to far. Just trying to put some context to things I’d said previously


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[HNA2]

As usual we understand that emotions are running high at the moment but its no excuse for personal abuse and calling each other out.

Anybody found to be requesting seat numbers for any sort of chat will quickly find themselves banned.

[Is It On....]

The more I go back and read about LJ the more it seems it’s all becoming true. One look at Sunderland forum and this was a take from Bristol city fan at the time.

“Signing wise, Johnson signed a lot of dross. He signed foreigners that played next to no minutes, including the NZ goalkeeper who had arguably the worst performance any player has ever had for Bristol City ever, or maybe even any football team ever. There were a few like this. Players he talk up, pay a lot and then not play.

Things weren't all bad on the transfer front though. He'd sign Adam Webster for 4.5m from Ipswich and sell him to Brighton for up to 26m and he signed Josh Brownhill for a pittance and sell him to Burnley for 7m (although this was pretty obviously always going to happen given his obvious talent).

Johnson also played a pretty uninspiring midfielder (who I'd have happily let go on a free) up top. Bobby Reid was in his last chance saloon at Bristol City when an injury crisis saw Johnson play him up front in a very successful pre season. We'd go onto sell him to Cardiff for 10m and he now remarkably pays his trade with Fulham in the Prem. Johnson can take full credit for that.

He's also sell Johnathon Kodjia (15m to Villa), Aden Flint (7m - i forget whether to Cardiff or Boro) and Joe Bryan (6m Fulham), and whereas pro LJers would have you believe this was LJ's work, they were already at City (and had performed well) and so I'd suggest his credit in the transfers is extremely limited.

Post that defeat to Wolves, our football became awful. The worst we've ever seen at Bristol City. At the opposite end of the spectrum to what we'd seen earlier that season - hence why i used the phrase 'stumbled across a formula' earlier in this write up, it genuinely wasn't me being disingenuous. We were crap and Ashton Gate became anything but a fortress. We were weak, football was awful and more and more often fans would be calling for his head. But his good family friend Steve Lansdown stuck with him. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all bad, away from home we became masters of nicking a 0-1 win on the road, but this would (in my opinion) paper over the cracks of the dour home form.

We'd regularly enjoy a decent enough start to the season and then fade away dramatically to 8-12th spot and given the tens of millions of outgoings and then now bulging wage structure, Johnson left us with a bloated squad with players in it that we knew were quality (Tamas Kalas - 2 promotions to prom), but somehow they managed to look like sunday league players.

Don't get me started on playing players out of position, we'd see players shoehorned into the starting line up at the expense of someone who genuinely would play in the position that he needed to fill. Then there was the 'Johnson Tombola' - if you want a steady and consistent line up then I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. Our star left winger - who'd finish last season at the top of the assist making charts, couldn't get a run of games in the team no matter how well he played - can you imagine his stats if he'd got a fair crack?

Then there's the credit taking. If we won "They players stuck to my plan brilliantly", if we lost he'd single players out. I seem to recall a game where we lost heavily. He brought on a sub at half time (or there abouts) with us 2 or 3 down, the proceeded to blame him when we lost 4-0. Our ability to hold a lead became nothing short of awful - do you recall when we were 3-0 up against you at half time and drew 3-3? Awful. Blaming players is something Johnson does equally as well as taking credit himself. And he's good at excuses, blaming Villa beating us on the positioning of the away fans and excuses too... there was a time when we got completely trounced by Brentford nd he said something like "After their third goal, we more than matched them" - we lost 3-0. You getting the picture yet?

Now comes my favourite point about Lee Johnson. The Johnsonisms. He is completely full of ****. As i understand it, there was quite a David Brent type character on STID? I never got far enough into the series to meet him, but LJ is more than a match for him. It got to a point where i couldn't listen to him. Win lose or draw I couldn't stand hearing what he had to say. It was just an embarrassment - I hope you'll learn exactly what it is that i'm referring to - but let just say you'd be well placed to start a thread on "Johnsonisms" on your forum and it'll be well populated very quickly.

I'm afraid I can't bring you much joyful news about your impending appointment of Lee Johnson. There were many points during his tenure where i'd have taken anyone to replace him - literally anyone - the football was that bad.

He does silly things, like measure the length of the grass, spend a shift in A&E, go to an army training camp, spend a night in the kitchen of a Michelin starred restaurant and his latest boast is to have sat down with someone who's amassed 9,000 hours of army interrogation - this is the sort of bullsh*t that might impress the newspapers, but in reality when he's playing a LB at CD, or a winger in CM don't really matter. He's calls them the 1%'s, but the 90%'s that matter, he couldn't seem to master.

So good luck Sunderland. I'm afraid to say you're going to need it. When you hear sky Sports refer to Bristol City playing a fast attacking expansive brand of football, the reality is that they're basing it on 4 months out of 5 years. The rest was rubbish. There came a point they'd say it every time we where on TV.

I hope that A Bristol City fan can come on here an give a good counter argument. As you can tell from above I'm absolutely no LJ fan, and I might have undersold some of his strengths (thinking about the opponent strengths rather than our own is another one). There are City fans who like him, but they tend to be the ones who deliberately ignore that he only got the job because the owner is essentially his god father and backed him with more finances that we've ever seen before”

I remember somebody on here wrote a critique of Terry Butcher on the Newport forum after he joined them. It wasn't taken very well (they eventually told them he had put money on them struggling) but it was accurate. The comment from the Bristol City fan is like looking at our current situation in the third person and reflects alot of what we are currently seeing at Hibs.

[JamesHFC]

The club are just holding out for the DoF in the hope it works out and things improve. If they don't then they will just blame him probably.

[Donegal Hibby]

:agree: Reading things like those posts and the video of him taking training abroad had the alarm bells ringing for me, then add in all the bs he comes out with. Turns out the fans from his previous clubs weren’t wrong.
You think the Sunderland fans weren't wrong ? He took over with them in 8th place and was dismissed with them in 3rd two points of the leaders and won a trophy!

[paddy1875]

You think the Sunderland fans weren't wrong ? He took over with them in 8th place and was dismissed with them in 3rd two points of the leaders and won a trophy!

Why was he dismissed from Sunderland?


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[tamig]

Regardless of whether it would or not, or if such a clause even exists, I find it hard to believe he's deliberately trying to get sacked. Despite how bad we've been, we're not yet out of the running for Europe so I think he'll be believing he can turn it around, with the help of a couple of decent signings. Why would be happy to accept a blemish on his CV?

Its an absolutely ridiculous claim. Garbage.

[Donegal Hibby]

He’s sent the guy upto Dingwall while we’re playing one of our better centre half’s in his position. Thats a sacrifice


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He's put a guy to dingwall that's 19 year old and imo been blowing hot and cold in matches and will probably get more game time there . Kennah is a defensive midfielder who sits in and breaks play up and Porto is a defender that likes to drive forward with the ball which we are badly lacking in our current midfield of JDH , Newell , Henderson , to me its not as bad a idea as some of you are making out . As to the phone txt you put up and removed with you saying Johnson's lost the dressing room , players have backed the manager recently too , Johnson's been in management a long time and if there was a outburst from one of our players I really think the matter would have been dealt with more professionally rather than by txt . Personally I wouldn't have circulated it on here as Imho it's a load of 💩 . But each to their own.

[Donegal Hibby]

Why was he dismissed from Sunderland?


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A few bad results and a few big defeats , Question answered for you ? The fact he had them 2 points of the top in 3rd place and had won a trophy seems to go right over your head btw !

[paddy1875]

He's put a guy to dingwall that's 19 year old and imo been blowing hot and cold in matches and will probably get more game time there . Kennah is a defensive midfielder who sits in and breaks play up and Porto is a defender that likes to drive forward with the ball which we are badly lacking in our current midfield of JDH , Newell , Henderson , to me its not as bad a idea as some of you are making out . As to the phone txt you put up and removed with you saying Johnson's lost the dressing room , players have backed the manager recently too , Johnson's been in management a long time and if there was a outburst from one of our players I really think the matter would have been dealt with more professionally rather than by txt . Personally I wouldn't have circulated on here as Imho opinion it's a load of [emoji90] . But each to their own.

Players will always back the manager in the media. So will the club. Regardless of stuff going on in the background.

In the regards to Porto in midfield, it’s had pros and cons. He was brilliant in getting onto the ball to set up the winner against Motherwell. I thought he done well in the role in the first half at ibrox. But he does also look lost in periods of games while in there. I mean to be honest, so has kenneh.

My concern is is Porto goes this window. And we don’t have kenneh, then who’s stepping into that role? And if we get somebody in. Who’s then coming into take the centre half position?

Anyway, Iv said believe what you like I’m
Not fussed. Probably shouldn’t have bothered to to honest


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[paddy1875]

A few bad results and a few big defeats , Question answered for you ? The fact he had them 2 points of the top in 3rd place and had won a trophy seems to go right over your head btw !

Sunderland in league one remember. And the toffee crisp cup or something.


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[WeeRussell]

He's put a guy to dingwall that's 19 year old and imo been blowing hot and cold in matches and will probably get more game time there . Kennah is a defensive midfielder who sits in and breaks play up and Porto is a defender that likes to drive forward with the ball which we are badly lacking in our current midfield of JDH , Newell , Henderson , to me its not as bad a idea as some of you are making out . As to the phone txt you put up and removed with you saying Johnson's lost the dressing room , players have backed the manager recently too , Johnson's been in management a long time and if there was a outburst from one of our players I really think the matter would have been dealt with more professionally rather than by txt . Personally I wouldn't have circulated it on here as Imho it's a load of 💩 . But each to their own.

What do you mean by current midfield? I’m not sure those 3 have played in there together?

I don’t like Porto in midfield and I’m fearing it happening on Sunday.

I don’t think it’s a natural position for him albeit he is capable of pinging a good pass for a centre half. However my biggest issue is taking him out of centre half when we’re really struggling as a defensive unit just now.

We lose significantly more from taking Ryan out of our back line than what we gain from plugging him into midfield.

We’re all fearing losing him and how we will replace him, but we’re not even playing the guy in position just now and getting near the best of him.

[Donegal Hibby]

Sunderland in league one remember. And the toffee crisp cup or something.


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I know Sunderland were in league one , what of it ? and whatever way you want to degrade a trophy is fine but Johnson still won it ! Most clubs and fans want to win a trophy no matter what it is . Every year the hertz fans call the Scottish league cup a Micky mouse trophy but I guarantee you they'd love to win it after 60 years of trying ! Don't you think ?

[paddy1875]

I know Sunderland were in league one , what of it ? and whatever way you want to degrade a trophy is fine but Johnson still won it ! Most clubs and fans want to win a trophy no matter what it is . Every year the hertz fans call the Scottish league cup a Micky mouse trophy but I guarantee you they'd love to win it after 60 years of trying ! Don't you think ?

No doubt they would. But the Johnson paint trophy is comparative to the Ramsden cup we had up here. The top flight don’t take part in it. I’m not even sure if the championship clubs take part in it.

Anyway I’m not wanting to degrade his achievements. All I’m trying to say is everyone trying to pull stats of his managerial career has slim pickings.

I don’t think he’s a very good manager of hibs. I think we’d be far better off without the guy. All my opinion of course


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[Donegal Hibby]

No doubt they would. But the Johnson paint trophy is comparative to the Ramsden cup we had up here. The top flight don’t take part in it. I’m not even sure if the championship clubs take part in it.

Anyway I’m not wanting to degrade his achievements. All I’m trying to say is everyone trying to pull stats of his managerial career has slim pickings.

I don’t think he’s a very good manager of hibs. I think we’d be far better off without the guy. All my opinion of course


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It's a trophy previous Sunderland managers couldn't win no matter who's competing in it ! You have just degraded his achievement of winning it by calling the trophy something childish btw . All your saying is everyone is pulling stats that his career is slim pickings ? Far enough you show me stats then for any football club he's been manager off that he's not left in a better position than when he's taken over ! You don't think he's a good Manager and we are better off without him so who in your opinion is a good manager for our football club then ?

[paddy1875]

It's a trophy previous Sunderland managers couldn't win no matter who's competing in it ! You have just degraded his achievement of winning it by calling the trophy something childish btw . All your saying is everyone is pulling stats that his career is slim pickings ? Far enough you show me stats then for any football club he's been manager off that he's not left in a better position than when he's taken over ! You don't think he's a good Manager and we are better off without him so who in your opinion is a good manager for our football club then ?

It’s a Mickey Mouse trophy. I’m sorry but it is.

It’s slim pickings because the only thing in his CV is papa John trophy and moving clubs out of relegation zones or moving them up the league table 2 or 3 places from the following season.

I get you obv don’t want to sack him and give him a chance. I’m telling you nothing about him being our manager wants me to turn to every second week to use my season ticket. His team selections are like bingo at times. His subs are the same. The only thing I can guarantee you that this team will do is take a kick off and shell a long ball out for a throw in in the other teams half between the by line and 18 yard line.




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[FitbaFolkKen]

:agree: Reading things like those posts and the video of him taking training abroad had the alarm bells ringing for me, then add in all the bs he comes out with. Turns out the fans from his previous clubs weren’t wrong.

I didn’t like the videos, thought they were almost like a parody of a football manager. I made the Brent comments based on that and got a hard time for it!

Funnily enough I’m not overly fussed if he goes now, I’d quite like him to continue to chop down the squad but I don’t expect him to last past the summer.


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[Donegal Hibby]

What do you mean by current midfield? I’m not sure those 3 have played in there together?

I don’t like Porto in midfield and I’m fearing it happening on Sunday.

I don’t think it’s a natural position for him albeit he is capable of pinging a good pass for a centre half. However my biggest issue is taking him out of centre half when we’re really struggling as a defensive unit just now.

We lose significantly more from taking Ryan out of our back line than what we gain from plugging him into midfield.

We’re all fearing losing him and how we will replace him, but we’re not even playing the guy in position just now and getting near the best of him.
I don't know if they have either to be honest with you but that wasn't the point I was trying make , I feel the 3 players I mentioned lack drive and bite in midfield and can see why Johnson plays Porto there who has drive and won't be pushed about , it's definitely not his natural position and taking him out of defense does weaken the defense but I do see why he's been played there there as our midfield is soft and weak . I don't know if we do lose more taking Porto out of the backline as I've seen our current midfield getting dominated far to often . Think your post is Very good and I do agree with your concerns though can see the logic in Porto being in midfield also 👍

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s a Mickey Mouse trophy. I’m sorry but it is.

It’s slim pickings because the only thing in his CV is papa John trophy and moving clubs out of relegation zones or moving them up the league table 2 or 3 places from the following season.

I get you obv don’t want to sack him and give him a chance. I’m telling you nothing about him being our manager wants me to turn to every second week to use my season ticket. His team selections are like bingo at times. His subs are the same. The only thing I can guarantee you that this team will do is take a kick off and shell a long ball out for a throw in in the other teams half between the by line and 18 yard line.




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Degrading his success again are we ? He's won silverware which makes him successful and that's the facts of it ! You obviously don't have a clue about Lee Johnson if you think all he's done is the papa John trophy and moving clubs out of relegation or moving them up 2 or 3 places ( you have that all wrong too ) . A manager taking over a club in relegation trouble and saving them imo is also a success though that also seems to go right over your head as well! . I don't want any manager sacked without a fair chance after he's inherited a mess from previous manager's and recruitment. Asked you who you thought was a good manager for us to have but you didn't answer that one I noticed!

[WeeRussell]

I don't know if they have either to be honest with you but that wasn't the point I was trying make , I feel the 3 players I mentioned lack drive and bite in midfield and can see why Johnson plays Porto there who has drive and won't be pushed about , it's definitely not his natural position and taking him out of defense does weaken the defense but I do see why he's been played there there as our midfield is soft and weak . I don't know if we do lose more taking Porto out of the backline as I've seen our current midfield getting dominated far to often . Think your post is Very good and I do agree with your concerns though can see the logic in Porto being in midfield also 👍

Fair enough mate, and you won’t be the only one that likes him in there.

And like I say, I’ve a bad feeling it could well be be your setup over mine on Sunday 😁

[WeeRussell]

It’s a Mickey Mouse trophy. I’m sorry but it is.

It’s slim pickings because the only thing in his CV is papa John trophy and moving clubs out of relegation zones or moving them up the league table 2 or 3 places from the following season.

I get you obv don’t want to sack him and give him a chance. I’m telling you nothing about him being our manager wants me to turn to every second week to use my season ticket. His team selections are like bingo at times. His subs are the same. The only thing I can guarantee you that this team will do is take a kick off and shell a long ball out for a throw in in the other teams half between the by line and 18 yard line.




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To be fair we’ve been launching the ball out straight from kick-off for as long as I can remember.

Someone one here explained why it’s not actually the worst of tactics to ping it deep into their half even if it’s highly likely to give them a throw-in.

We don’t play any football in midfield as it is, so why bother trying from kickoff 😂

[Haymaker]

To be fair we’ve been launching the ball out straight from kick-off for as long as I can remember.

Someone one here explained why it’s not actually the worst of tactics to ping it deep into their half even if it’s highly likely to give them a throw-in.

We don’t play any football in midfield as it is, so why bother trying from kickoff 😂

I can't remember it exactly but if you win a throw in high up the pitch in the early stages you're more likely to win throw ins all game or something like that. I'll try find out the full reason.

[WeeRussell]

I can't remember it exactly but if you win a throw in high up the pitch in the early stages you're more likely to win throw ins all game or something like that. I'll try find out the full reason.

That’s interesting. I had just assumed/remembered it as being more simple around making them take a defensive throw-in and getting them under pressure from the start, rather than passing the ball about in your own half from KO, before the game has settled into shape, and potentially being put on the back foot yourself.

[Haymaker]

That’s interesting. I had just assumed/remembered it as being more simple around making them take a defensive throw-in and getting them under pressure from the start, rather than passing the ball about in your own half from KO, before the game has settled into shape, and potentially being put on the back foot yourself.

Could be that as well to be honest.

[jeffers]

You think the Sunderland fans weren't wrong ? He took over with them in 8th place and was dismissed with them in 3rd two points of the leaders and won a trophy!

The posted quotes were from a Bristol City fan. A lot of their concerns have been echoed in his time with us.

[paddy1875]

Degrading his success again are we ? He's won silverware which makes him successful and that's the facts of it ! You obviously don't have a clue about Lee Johnson if you think all he's done is the papa John trophy and moving clubs out of relegation or moving them up 2 or 3 places ( you have that all wrong too ) . A manager taking over a club in relegation trouble and saving them imo is also a success though that also seems to go right over your head as well! . I don't want any manager sacked without a fair chance after he's inherited a mess from previous manager's and recruitment. Asked you who you thought was a good manager for us to have but you didn't answer that one I noticed!

No bother mate. I think your take on success and mines are different then.

Nothings going over my head. I can tell you think I’m completely wrong and I won’t change your mind so I’ll just bow out now and crown you winner of our debate.

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[paddy1875]

To be fair we’ve been launching the ball out straight from kick-off for as long as I can remember.

Someone one here explained why it’s not actually the worst of tactics to ping it deep into their half even if it’s highly likely to give them a throw-in.

We don’t play any football in midfield as it is, so why bother trying from kickoff [emoji23]

It’s just reminds me of terry butchers time in charge.

Anyway i was only referring to that as the only thing I can guarantee about a Lee Johnson team. Meaning I can’t predict his starting 11, or the game plan, or the style. Just that big dig out the park from kick off


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[tonyrougier123]

Get park in DOF mackay for manager and Johnson out,get kensall on the deals they want for the squad as the guy can clearly talk the birds off the trees,and for me that’s a winning combo.

[hibsbollah]

To be fair we’ve been launching the ball out straight from kick-off for as long as I can remember.

Someone one here explained why it’s not actually the worst of tactics to ping it deep into their half even if it’s highly likely to give them a throw-in.

We don’t play any football in midfield as it is, so why bother trying from kickoff 😂

Some managers do it every time. Rudi Garcia (ex Roma Marseille now Al Nassr managing CR7) got his teams to do it from ko. It only works if you immediately aggressively press the following throw in to get transition about 10 yards from goal, the element we’ve neglected to remember!

[Greenio]

It’s just reminds me of terry butchers time in charge.

Anyway i was only referring to that as the only thing I can guarantee about a Lee Johnson team. Meaning I can’t predict his starting 11, or the game plan, or the style. Just that big dig out the park from kick off


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what Hibs managers/teams have gotten you turning up every second week believing in their direction/gameplan etc?

[J-C]

A few bad results and a few big defeats , Question answered for you ? The fact he had them 2 points of the top in 3rd place and had won a trophy seems to go right over your head btw !

He's been between 35-38% at 4 of his clubs and 51% at Sunderland, 78 games 40 wins, 20 draws and 18 losses

[eastmainsmsh]

Holly Boris Or Maurice couldn’t get a tune out of this lot

[Just_Jimmy]

The more I go back and read about LJ the more it seems it’s all becoming true. One look at Sunderland forum and this was a take from Bristol city fan at the time.

“Signing wise, Johnson signed a lot of dross. He signed foreigners that played next to no minutes, including the NZ goalkeeper who had arguably the worst performance any player has ever had for Bristol City ever, or maybe even any football team ever. There were a few like this. Players he talk up, pay a lot and then not play.

Things weren't all bad on the transfer front though. He'd sign Adam Webster for 4.5m from Ipswich and sell him to Brighton for up to 26m and he signed Josh Brownhill for a pittance and sell him to Burnley for 7m (although this was pretty obviously always going to happen given his obvious talent).

Johnson also played a pretty uninspiring midfielder (who I'd have happily let go on a free) up top. Bobby Reid was in his last chance saloon at Bristol City when an injury crisis saw Johnson play him up front in a very successful pre season. We'd go onto sell him to Cardiff for 10m and he now remarkably pays his trade with Fulham in the Prem. Johnson can take full credit for that.

He's also sell Johnathon Kodjia (15m to Villa), Aden Flint (7m - i forget whether to Cardiff or Boro) and Joe Bryan (6m Fulham), and whereas pro LJers would have you believe this was LJ's work, they were already at City (and had performed well) and so I'd suggest his credit in the transfers is extremely limited.

Post that defeat to Wolves, our football became awful. The worst we've ever seen at Bristol City. At the opposite end of the spectrum to what we'd seen earlier that season - hence why i used the phrase 'stumbled across a formula' earlier in this write up, it genuinely wasn't me being disingenuous. We were crap and Ashton Gate became anything but a fortress. We were weak, football was awful and more and more often fans would be calling for his head. But his good family friend Steve Lansdown stuck with him. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all bad, away from home we became masters of nicking a 0-1 win on the road, but this would (in my opinion) paper over the cracks of the dour home form.

We'd regularly enjoy a decent enough start to the season and then fade away dramatically to 8-12th spot and given the tens of millions of outgoings and then now bulging wage structure, Johnson left us with a bloated squad with players in it that we knew were quality (Tamas Kalas - 2 promotions to prom), but somehow they managed to look like sunday league players.

Don't get me started on playing players out of position, we'd see players shoehorned into the starting line up at the expense of someone who genuinely would play in the position that he needed to fill. Then there was the 'Johnson Tombola' - if you want a steady and consistent line up then I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. Our star left winger - who'd finish last season at the top of the assist making charts, couldn't get a run of games in the team no matter how well he played - can you imagine his stats if he'd got a fair crack?

Then there's the credit taking. If we won "They players stuck to my plan brilliantly", if we lost he'd single players out. I seem to recall a game where we lost heavily. He brought on a sub at half time (or there abouts) with us 2 or 3 down, the proceeded to blame him when we lost 4-0. Our ability to hold a lead became nothing short of awful - do you recall when we were 3-0 up against you at half time and drew 3-3? Awful. Blaming players is something Johnson does equally as well as taking credit himself. And he's good at excuses, blaming Villa beating us on the positioning of the away fans and excuses too... there was a time when we got completely trounced by Brentford nd he said something like "After their third goal, we more than matched them" - we lost 3-0. You getting the picture yet?

Now comes my favourite point about Lee Johnson. The Johnsonisms. He is completely full of ****. As i understand it, there was quite a David Brent type character on STID? I never got far enough into the series to meet him, but LJ is more than a match for him. It got to a point where i couldn't listen to him. Win lose or draw I couldn't stand hearing what he had to say. It was just an embarrassment - I hope you'll learn exactly what it is that i'm referring to - but let just say you'd be well placed to start a thread on "Johnsonisms" on your forum and it'll be well populated very quickly.

I'm afraid I can't bring you much joyful news about your impending appointment of Lee Johnson. There were many points during his tenure where i'd have taken anyone to replace him - literally anyone - the football was that bad.

He does silly things, like measure the length of the grass, spend a shift in A&E, go to an army training camp, spend a night in the kitchen of a Michelin starred restaurant and his latest boast is to have sat down with someone who's amassed 9,000 hours of army interrogation - this is the sort of bullsh*t that might impress the newspapers, but in reality when he's playing a LB at CD, or a winger in CM don't really matter. He's calls them the 1%'s, but the 90%'s that matter, he couldn't seem to master.

So good luck Sunderland. I'm afraid to say you're going to need it. When you hear sky Sports refer to Bristol City playing a fast attacking expansive brand of football, the reality is that they're basing it on 4 months out of 5 years. The rest was rubbish. There came a point they'd say it every time we where on TV.

I hope that A Bristol City fan can come on here an give a good counter argument. As you can tell from above I'm absolutely no LJ fan, and I might have undersold some of his strengths (thinking about the opponent strengths rather than our own is another one). There are City fans who like him, but they tend to be the ones who deliberately ignore that he only got the job because the owner is essentially his god father and backed him with more finances that we've ever seen before”I read that and it's frighteningly accurate. My take away is about the transfers. I wonder, was Johnson brought here to turn all the cheap punts into big money for hibs? It would marry up with our transfer "strategy".

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[Donegal Hibby]

No bother mate. I think your take on success and mines are different then.

Nothings going over my head. I can tell you think I’m completely wrong and I won’t change your mind so I’ll just bow out now and crown you winner of our debate.

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It's nothing to do with who's winner of the debate though you clearly have a dislike for Johnson and are completely ignoring the facts that he's done a very good Job at his previous clubs . I don't know what your take is on success though any manager that goes into a club that's in relegation trouble and moves them up the league ( not just by 2 or 3 places as you insinuated ) to safety and in a couple of cases there best league position in years has got to be considered a success. Now your even comparing him with butcher which there is no comparison though does show you have a dislike for the guy . I've asked you twice now who you'd prefer as manager though you don't seem to want to answer that one for some reason!

[paddy1875]

It's nothing to do with who's winner of the debate though you clearly have a dislike for Johnson and are completely ignoring the facts that he's done a very good Job at his previous clubs . I don't know what your take is on success though any manager that goes into a club that's in relegation trouble and moves them up the league ( not just by 2 or 3 places as you insinuated ) to safety and in a couple of cases there best league position in years has got to be considered a success. Now your even comparing him with butcher which there is no comparison though does show you have a dislike for the guy . I've asked you twice now who you'd prefer as manager though you don't seem to want to answer that one for some reason!

I’m not hiding the fact I dislike him. I dislike him massively.

A very good job at the previous clubs he’s been at is a stretch now cmon.

Id take back Alan Stubbs Neil Lennon or even jack ross mate. There’s 3 managers off the top of my head that would do a better job then this guy.

No doubt you’ll pull some ‘stats’ that’ll tell everyone why Lee Johnson is better than all of them.

Do you believe Lee Johnson? In anything he says? Or do you understand his press talk?


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[Donegal Hibby]

The posted quotes were from a Bristol City fan. A lot of their concerns have been echoed in his time with us.
And yet when he took over at Bristol city they were endanger of relegation , and when he left they were outside the playoffs !

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not hiding the fact I dislike him. I dislike him massively.

A very good job at the previous clubs he’s been at is a stretch now cmon.

Id take back Alan Stubbs Neil Lennon or even jack ross mate. There’s 3 managers off the top of my head that would do a better job then this guy.

No doubt you’ll pull some ‘stats’ that’ll tell everyone why Lee Johnson is better than all of them.

Do you believe Lee Johnson? In anything he says? Or do you understand his press talk?


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That's what I already knew about you is your dislike for him has you totally unwilling to except the fact he's done well at other clubs and saying he's done a very good job at previous clubs isn't stretching anything but simply the truth of the matter even though you have chosen to ignore the facts of it ! I have a lot of time for Stubbs and thought he was a very good manager ( even though he was struggling to get us out of the championship) both Lennon and Ross had really good starts at Hibs though went seriously downhill towards the end of there time at Hibs and I wouldn't be keen on either! I think Johnson talks as well as any other manager in the league and in quite a few cases better than some ( Neilson, Goodwin and Martindale) .

[J-C]

And yet when he took over at Bristol city they were endanger of relegation , and when he left they were outside the playoffs !

Due to the owner opening up the cheque book, 84 wins, 54 draws and 79 losses with a 38.7% which is just 0.2% more than us ffs.

[paddy1875]

That's what I already knew about you is your dislike for him has you totally unwilling to except the fact he's done well at other clubs and saying he's done a very good job at previous clubs isn't stretching anything but simply the truth of the matter even though you have chosen to ignore the facts of it ! I have a lot of time for Stubbs and thought he was a very good manager ( even though he was struggling to get us out of the championship) both Lennon and Ross had really good starts at Hibs though went seriously downhill towards the end of there time at Hibs and I wouldn't be keen on either! I think Johnson talks as well as any other manager in the league and in quite a few cases better than some ( Neilson, Goodwin and Martindale) .

Iv said previously I do not like him. Iv also said previously that my opinion of Success and yours are totally different. Yeh he won silverware and good on him for doing so. He has a thumbs up from me for that and I’m not being smart in saying that. But he’s just a mid table journeyman manager, just like his playing career. Nothing special in my opinion.

Each to their own tho. I respect your opinion. But it’s the polar opposite to my own.


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[GreenGray]

And yet when he took over at Bristol city they were endanger of relegation , and when he left they were outside the playoffs !

When can we learn to stop judging managers off what they have done in the past?


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[superfurryhibby]

Johnson is an experienced manager and has middling success with some of the clubs he worked at. When he came on board I thought he would offer a steady pair of hands and a degree of nous that was so obviously lacking at the club under Maloney.

I do wonder how much input he has had with the signings and how much he is just tasked with managing what he's given? I know he has said things about signing players and implying that they were his choices (like Tavares). However, I take that with a large pinch of salt.

Many folk have stated that Ross was hamstrung by lack of autonomy around signings (and no doubt the awarding of extended contracts). That sewed the seeds for his poor second season and created an unmanageable rift between him and the board. Given what he managed in his first season, the guy would reasonably have expected to be backed in the summer transfer window and it was clear that that didn't transpire.

I would have hoped that a good, experienced, manager would be able to maximise his return from the resources they have at their disposal. The question for me is whether Johnson has shown capacity to do this. My sense is that he hasn't. There have been odd formations, player picks, tactics and a lack of coherent playing style. Is that down to his poor management or down to the limitations of what is undoubtedly a very thin playing squad?

Do managers routinely manage clubs where they don't identify the players that are signed?

Do people believe that the players at the club are better than the results suggest or do they accept that it's a fairly uninspiring bunch with a few gems amongst them?

Is it tactics and management guidance that makes guys like Newell seem so reluctant to break forward with the ball more often, pass the ball sideways or is just lack of ability?

[wookie70]

That’s interesting. I had just assumed/remembered it as being more simple around making them take a defensive throw-in and getting them under pressure from the start, rather than passing the ball about in your own half from KO, before the game has settled into shape, and potentially being put on the back foot yourself. I'd argue a couple of passes and then a launch would at least mean we could challenge the high ball. We don't defend throw ins particularly so we don't create pressure just give possession away for free

[Is It On....]

Iv said previously I do not like him. Iv also said previously that my opinion of Success and yours are totally different. Yeh he won silverware and good on him for doing so. He has a thumbs up from me for that and I’m not being smart in saying that. But he’s just a mid table journeyman manager, just like his playing career. Nothing special in my opinion.

Each to their own tho. I respect your opinion. But it’s the polar opposite to my own.


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Harry Ramsdens cup, or equivalent, is not in my opinion winning silverware for a team like Hibs, Sunderland, etc. Being in the Championship was bad enough without having that on our record.

[Since452]

Harry Ramsdens cup, or equivalent, is not in my opinion winning silverware for a team like Hibs, Sunderland, etc. Being in the Championship was bad enough without having that on our record.

It's the only cup competition Sunderland could realistically win. I'm sure their fans were delighted with it. Probably the only thing they'll ever see their team win.

[JeMeSouviens]

It's the only cup competition Sunderland could realistically win. I'm sure their fans were delighted with it. Probably the only thing they'll ever see their team win.

A well run Sunderland should be a premier league team, at least more often than not.

[Since452]

A well run Sunderland should be a premier league team, at least more often than not.

Sunderland are the Dunfermline of Scotland. A bigger club than the league they are in but will come absolutely nowhere near winning either of the main cup competitions these days. A lower league yoyo club with a big fanbase.

[hibsbollah]

Sunderland are the Dunfermline of Scotland. A bigger club than the league they are in but will come absolutely nowhere near winning either of the main cup competitions these days. A lower league yoyo club with a big fanbase.

Plenty teams like that. Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, Portsmouth. Until recently Forest. And when I was going to St James Park in the 1990s, your classic sleeping giant with well respected passionate fans despite languishing in the third tier? Man City :greengrin

[jeffers]

And yet when he took over at Bristol city they were endanger of relegation , and when he left they were outside the playoffs !

So you don’t see any similarities in the BC’s fan review of his time with them and his time with us ? And how is he actually doing with us ?

[Donegal Hibby]

Iv said previously I do not like him. Iv also said previously that my opinion of Success and yours are totally different. Yeh he won silverware and good on him for doing so. He has a thumbs up from me for that and I’m not being smart in saying that. But he’s just a mid table journeyman manager, just like his playing career. Nothing special in my opinion.

Each to their own tho. I respect your opinion. But it’s the polar opposite to my own.


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Being a success as a manager can be for a number of different things imo , from winning a league or cup to guiding a team that's losing most weeks and in relegation trouble to safety or like the job Marco Silva's doing at fulham as a example. Maybe you just look at a managers success one way only .You call Johnson a mid table journeyman manager and yet I see him as a experienced manager with a good knowledge of both English and Scottish football and has improved the fortunes of every club he's been at . Some on here want Martindale in who I'd call a mid table manager with little to no experience in managing or playing like Johnson ( opinions hey ?) . The 3 managers you would want as Hibs boss are certainly not without there flaws as well and aren't in anyway some footballing Messiah's . Johnson has inherited a Hibs team on decline and worse players on long contracts that aren't good enough and the only way of fixing this is by sticking with the manager and giving him time to sort things out ( transfer windows) btw it wouldn't matter if it was Lennon, Stubbs , Ross or any other manager that was in this predicament to me I'd still be singing from the same song sheet of giving a manager at a football club with numerous problems time to put things right as I see no benefit in hiring and firing a manager every 6,7 or 8 months and is only putting the club backwards imo . Alex Ferguson is a prime example of a club sticking with there manager when things aren't going well! Each to there own as you say and I do respect your opinion but certainly don't agree with it though .

[jeffers]

Being a success as a manager can be for a number of different things imo , from winning a league or cup to guiding a team that's losing most weeks and in relegation trouble to safety or like the job Marco Silva's doing at fulham as a example. Maybe you just look at a managers success one way only .You call Johnson a mid table journeyman manager and yet I see him as a experienced manager with a good knowledge of both English and Scottish football and has improved the fortunes of every club he's been at . Some on here want Martindale in who I'd call a mid table manager with little to no experience in managing or playing like Johnson ( opinions hey ?) . The 3 managers you would want as Hibs boss are certainly not without there flaws as well and aren't in anyway some footballing Messiah's . Johnson has inherited a Hibs team on decline and worse players on long contracts that aren't good enough and the only way of fixing this is by sticking with the manager and giving him time to sort things out ( transfer windows) btw it wouldn't matter if it was Lennon, Stubbs , Ross or any other manager that was in this predicament to me I'd still be singing from the same song sheet of giving a manager at a football club with numerous problems time to put things right as I see no benefit in hiring and firing a manager every 6,7 or 8 months and is only putting the club backwards imo . Alex Ferguson is a prime example of a club sticking with there manager when things aren't going well! Each to there own as you say and I do respect your opinion but certainly don't agree with it though .


Following your logic did you think we should have given Butcher more time ?

[paddy1875]

Being a success as a manager can be for a number of different things imo , from winning a league or cup to guiding a team that's losing most weeks and in relegation trouble to safety or like the job Marco Silva's doing at fulham as a example. Maybe you just look at a managers success one way only .You call Johnson a mid table journeyman manager and yet I see him as a experienced manager with a good knowledge of both English and Scottish football and has improved the fortunes of every club he's been at . Some on here want Martindale in who I'd call a mid table manager with little to no experience in managing or playing like Johnson ( opinions hey ?) . The 3 managers you would want as Hibs boss are certainly not without there flaws as well and aren't in anyway some footballing Messiah's . Johnson has inherited a Hibs team on decline and worse players on long contracts that aren't good enough and the only way of fixing this is by sticking with the manager and giving him time to sort things out ( transfer windows) btw it wouldn't matter if it was Lennon, Stubbs , Ross or any other manager that was in this predicament to me I'd still be singing from the same song sheet of giving a manager at a football club with numerous problems time to put things right as I see no benefit in hiring and firing a manager every 6,7 or 8 months and is only putting the club backwards imo . Alex Ferguson is a prime example of a club sticking with there manager when things aren't going well! Each to there own as you say and I do respect your opinion but certainly don't agree with it though .

Yeh of course, but I’d argue we’ve went backwards again this season.

For example the squad he inherited made a league cup final last season. This season we never made it out the group?

Fingers crossed we progress on Sunday to the next round of the Scottish cup and maybe that can galvanise the team/manager onto better things.

I’m also not saying that the 3 guys Iv suggested we’re footballing messiahs. I’m saying, in my opinion that these managers would get a better tune out our current playing squad than Lee Johnson.

Let’s just say for arguments sake, forgetting his career to date and starting with watching his team and his tactics this season with hibs. Can you honestly say you trust him to take us forward and progress?


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[K-Zazu]

Being a success as a manager can be for a number of different things imo , from winning a league or cup to guiding a team that's losing most weeks and in relegation trouble to safety or like the job Marco Silva's doing at fulham as a example. Maybe you just look at a managers success one way only .You call Johnson a mid table journeyman manager and yet I see him as a experienced manager with a good knowledge of both English and Scottish football and has improved the fortunes of every club he's been at . Some on here want Martindale in who I'd call a mid table manager with little to no experience in managing or playing like Johnson ( opinions hey ?) . The 3 managers you would want as Hibs boss are certainly not without there flaws as well and aren't in anyway some footballing Messiah's . Johnson has inherited a Hibs team on decline and worse players on long contracts that aren't good enough and the only way of fixing this is by sticking with the manager and giving him time to sort things out ( transfer windows) btw it wouldn't matter if it was Lennon, Stubbs , Ross or any other manager that was in this predicament to me I'd still be singing from the same song sheet of giving a manager at a football club with numerous problems time to put things right as I see no benefit in hiring and firing a manager every 6,7 or 8 months and is only putting the club backwards imo . Alex Ferguson is a prime example of a club sticking with there manager when things aren't going well! Each to there own as you say and I do respect your opinion but certainly don't agree with it though .

He doesn’t have a good knowledge of Scottish football, he played a few games up here about 15 years ago?

[Is It On....]

He doesn’t have a good knowledge of Scottish football, he played a few games up here about 15 years ago?

I would argue that part of being a good manager in any field is pragmatism. As such, a good manager can adapt to the specific circumstances that they are in so having experience of Scottish football would make little or no difference if the manager is good at their job. Celtic's manager had no experience of Scottish football when he arrived and had a rocky start. It is now undeniable that they are a better team now than when he took over because he is a good manager. We are on a terrible run and are witnessing the same type of situation described by the BC fan. My concern is that he seems to be repeating the same type of things as happened at BC which would imply he hasn't learned from earlier managerial mistakes. The fact that these mistakes, such as players played out of position, were in England should make no difference.

[Donegal Hibby]

Following your logic did you think we should have given Butcher more time ?
My logic is to give a manager at a club with poor player's time to see if he can make the squad better in the transfer windows , not calling for his head after 6 months and one window even sir Alex Ferguson took longer than 6 months before improving man United's fortune's .There is case's were time shouldn't be given , likes of butcher and possibly Maloney though maybe you think Stubbs and Alex miller shouldn't have got time either ? Who would you like to replace him btw?

[Donegal Hibby]

He doesn’t have a good knowledge of Scottish football, he played a few games up here about 15 years ago?
Which is more than David Martindale got who some want as a replacement btw . Did he not win a cup in Scotland too ?

[cameronw-hfc]

Get park in DOF mackay for manager and Johnson out,get kensall on the deals they want for the squad as the guy can clearly talk the birds off the trees,and for me that’s a winning combo.

The racist, sexist, homopbobic Mackay? It's like prejudice bingo with him, only got a few more allegations and he's got the full lot, people like that belong nowhere near our club, and a hell of a lot of fans would immediately lose interest if he was even considered, and rightly so. A club for everyone shouldn't have him anywhere near us, if you haven't already, read the tests. They're absolutely absurd.

[Donegal Hibby]

Yeh of course, but I’d argue we’ve went backwards again this season.

For example the squad he inherited made a league cup final last season. This season we never made it out the group?

Fingers crossed we progress on Sunday to the next round of the Scottish cup and maybe that can galvanise the team/manager onto better things.

I’m also not saying that the 3 guys Iv suggested we’re footballing messiahs. I’m saying, in my opinion that these managers would get a better tune out our current playing squad than Lee Johnson.

Let’s just say for arguments sake, forgetting his career to date and starting with watching his team and his tactics this season with hibs. Can you honestly say you trust him to take us forward and progress?


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Didn't win it though! And you can say what you want but there's massive problems with this squad. I hope we do progress as well though seriously doubt we will As imo our midfield hasn't any steel , drive or creativity in it and is basically soft and pretty S***e . Think you need to think back to the end of both Ross's and Lennon's last while at Hibs to see that they might not get a better tune out of this squad and what has Stubbs achieved at clubs since he's left us? As to your question about him taking us forward and progressing it will depend on the recruitment of players and if we can shift ones like Henderson out too though as I've said he's left all clubs in a better position than when he took over so if recruitment get the finger out I'd say yes I would trust him . I didn't join Hibs net to argue or fall out with anyone so I do appreciate you being reasonable even though we have different views . If Johnson goes the other thing that bothers me is some of the names put forward for the job who imo are no better than LJ and some are a hell of a lot worse which still leaves us with the same problems team and recruitment wise !

[J-C]

My logic is to give a manager at a club with poor player's time to see if he can make the squad better in the transfer windows , not calling for his head after 6 months and one window even sir Alex Ferguson took longer than 6 months before improving man United's fortune's .There is case's were time shouldn't be given , likes of butcher and possibly Maloney though maybe you think Stubbs and Alex miller shouldn't have got time either ? Who would you like to replace him btw?

So far he's had 1 window, the players that came in are where? Cabraja can't get a game in front of an aging Lewis, Kenneh has been punted to Ross Co, rumours of Tavares out on loan too, a young striker with limited game time out on loan and probably away, McKirdy lucky if he gets 15 mins mist games but a good bench warmer. Bradley back at the club and immediately punted to Livingston and straight into their team who are in 4th. Mackay and Tait not taken to training camp and immediately punted on loan when the season started.

There's been zero improvement in fact we've gone backwards at an alarming rate, he ranks in clichés and comes over more like David Brent than a football manager.

[WeeRussell]

I'd argue a couple of passes and then a launch would at least mean we could challenge the high ball. We don't defend throw ins particularly so we don't create pressure just give possession away for free

I don’t disagree. I’m not suggesting I agree with the tactic of shelling the ball straight out like rugby (for any team). Just that there is apparently some logic behind it rather than us just being pish.

[Weir07]

All the David Brent chat is getting irritating, the guy speaks the way he speaks, he should be judged on results alone, he came in on the back of two dreadful transfer windows, swiftly followed by a third this summer, he's now starting to ship out players that no one has any qualms about leaving, so that's a plus for me. Let's give him this window and the next and see where we are, a good DOF will help as will Ian Gordon having nothing to do with recruitment. Do I think Lee Johnston will be a resounding success at Hibs, probably not but we are desperate for some stability in the medium term at least.

[jeffers]

My logic is to give a manager at a club with poor player's time to see if he can make the squad better in the transfer windows , not calling for his head after 6 months and one window even sir Alex Ferguson took longer than 6 months before improving man United's fortune's .There is case's were time shouldn't be given , likes of butcher and possibly Maloney though maybe you think Stubbs and Alex miller shouldn't have got time either ? Who would you like to replace him btw?

He’s had a transfer window. In the main he signed a lot of pish, some of whom he’s already trying to move on, but I should trust him to do better in subsequent windows. Why ? You keeping bringing up SAF as if there is any realistic comparison. He’d achieved more at Aberdeen than Johnson has his whole career. Why not give Butcher more time then ? He’d done a very good job at ICT and didn’t get a chance to bring in his own players. Interesting you suggest Maloney shouldn’t have been given more time, yet he had less of chance than Johnson, the latter doing a worse job yet you are advocating he gets more time :confused:

Alex Miller had some good spells but imo he definitely did get too long, his record in the derby matches for example was horrendous. Stubbs arrived with hardly any players so he deserved the time he got to turn it around, but if it hadn’t won the Scottish Cup I don’t think he could have had any complaints if we’d dismissed him.

I wanted us to go for McInnes when Ross was sacked and thought it was a no brainer when we dismissed Maloney. Instead the guys doing the recruitment went for the slavering prick they have appointed.