Johnson Out

[007]

Why is it a vote for transition? Aberdeen changed manager after a couple of utter hidings and managed to turn struggling for top 6 into a 3rd place finish.

Aberdeen dropped points to, and didn't even get a shot on target against, the team with reportedly the lowest budget in the league whose manager said their budget was getting cut further. Robson out!

[Ozyhibby]

Aberdeen dropped points to, and didn't even get a shot on target against, the team with reportedly the lowest budget in the league whose manager said their budget was getting cut further. Robson out!

Does Johnson have the credit in the bank that Robson earned last year at Aberdeen? Were Aberdeen at home? Did Aberdeen lose?


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[007]

But they all had new signings in the line up. We decided just to sign back up players this summer and yet we expect to improve?


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So what are you saying? They all struggled because they started new players?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Does Johnson have the credit in the bank that Robson earned last year at Aberdeen? Were Aberdeen at home?


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And they also avoided defeat.

The two situations are pretty incomparable.

[Since452]

Aberdeen and Rangers dropped points too. Aberdeen couldn't even muster a shot on target. Surprises happen. We need to go and beat Motherwell now though.

[Ozyhibby]

Aberdeen and Rangers dropped points too. Aberdeen couldn't even muster a shot on target. Surprises happen. We need to go and beat Motherwell now though.

Was anybody surprised by yesterday? That midfield fails every time it plays? That can’t be a surprise now surely?


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[chippy]

If Johnson is smart he’ll persuade the board to try and get O’Hara. 500 k . Would that get him? A midfield of him Newell and Levitt would be better balance

[I'm Spartacus]

If Johnson is smart hell persuade the board to try and get O’Hara. 500 k . Would that get him?

I wouldn't give LJ 500 jelly babies.

[superfurryhibby]

What was the excuse with Miller last season? He’s barely played in over a year and hasn’t looked very good when he does play?


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Well, he was injured for a decent part of last season, appeared whilst unfit around March and still looking out of sorts, then had a very good game v Celtic, where I thought we had found the guy to play right back this season.

If he isn't the first pick right back this season then it's another recruitment blunder.

TBH, I haven't got a clue. If Miller was 100% match fit, then I would have expected him to start instead of Delferriere.

[Heisenberg]

If Johnson is smart he’ll persuade the board to try and get O’Hara. 500 k . Would that get him? A midfield of him Newell and Levitt would be better balance

I doubt it. He’s their best player and on a long contract. Easily £1m+

[DinkyTwo]

I'm not yet in the Johnson out camp, but my patience is thinning and we need to bounce straight back with good performances Thursday & Sunday.

I'd give him a month to address the following issues:

Midfield is still a big problem and Newell, JDH and Campbell can't play together. Something we've all known for a couple of seasons now.

Levitt either doesn't seem to know what his role is or he is ineffective at the role he is being asked to play.

Hanlon and Stevenson played well last season and deserved a chance to maintain that form. They've started badly and if it continues, we'll need Obita and Harbottle to be good enough to step in.

Marshall is utterly past it. He needs dropped. Play Wollacott or Boruc.

RB, play Miller. Delfiere isn't the man for that job.

That's a fairly long list of issues with how Johnson setup the team yesterday and that is the worrying part.

We'd need everyone playing out of their skin to get a result and right now, that isn't happening.

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[Greenworld]

A lot of what you say is fair enough, but up front isn’t really the issue for me. It’s the defence and midfield the issues lie and I’m not convinced we’ve addressed that (though I have high hopes for Levitt.) It would be great if we get some decent money if Doig is sold allowing us to bring in a few more players and while many will disagree I’d sell Campbell if we get a decent offer.I agree 100% its like a broken record but midfield is and has been the problem for seasons now. Sort the midfield and defence will improve .

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[B.H.F.C]

Aberdeen and Rangers dropped points too. Aberdeen couldn't even muster a shot on target. Surprises happen. We need to go and beat Motherwell now though.

Yesterday wasn’t really that much of a surprise. Certainly not once you saw the team lines.

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm sure all those calling for LJ's head wouldn't be doing so if we'd won yesterday as we could well have done, despite the dreadful first half.

And those slating his midfield selection were probably among the cheerleaders when we signed Levitt, who seems to be just Euan Henderson without the CL goal to his name.

St Mirren were a decent side last year, and their no 20 was a class above anyone else on the park. We have no right to expect to win every match. Shouting for the manager to be sacked after 1 game is nonsense.

If we’d won and I’d come on here calling for his head I’d have taken dogs abuse.

It was St M at home and we should have been prepared for it, not starting with our useless team from last season.

Everything in your post is wrong! It’s not one game, he’s been here for ages and nothing’s improving.

[richard_pitts]

If we’d won and I’d come on here calling for his head I’d have taken dogs abuse.

It was St M at home and we should have been prepared for it, not starting with our useless team from last season.

Everything in your post is wrong! It’s not one game, he’s been here for ages and nothing’s improving.

Spot on - the preparation was awful. St Mirren targeted our non-right back and Hanlon's lack of pace. We had no answer or apparent plan and it's that i find unacceptable.

[snedzuk]

Not sure if this is relevant to your point or not but i wonder if we are better suited to playing against better teams so we can hit them on the counter attack.

The reason I’m mentioning this now is that despite us being as bad as we were yesterday, we might get a result because of this on Thursday, at which point the pitch forks will be away again.

Dunno bingo - we didnt have to counter attack versus Inter and I'm not sure foreign managers will immediately realise how to play against us. For that reason I think we may get a pleasant surprise on Thursday, but over 2 legs not so much.

Conversely, Robinson said in his pre match interview yesterday they had to stop supply to Youan and Boyle and that's largely what they did. All SPL managers surely realise this and now know our plan B is to shell it up to Doidge.

[Bushwoof]

If we’d won and I’d come on here calling for his head I’d have taken dogs abuse.

It was St M at home and we should have been prepared for it, not starting with our useless team from last season.

Everything in your post is wrong! It’s not one game, he’s been here for ages and nothing’s improving.

So qualifying for Europe after beating Celtc for the first time in ages is the mark of a useless team. OK.

St Mirren are a decent side, and unless I'm mistaken won more points against the other teams in the league last season than we did. No great shame in a close run defeat that could easily have gone the other way.

[JimBHibees]

This. Its early days but so far Levitt looks very poor and that lame attempt to close down the saints player at yesterdays game gives me cause for concern at least he enjoyed a little jog though.

I think levitt looks excellent just needs to play and get up to speed. His two shots yesterday were decent

[B.H.F.C]

So qualifying for Europe after beating Celtc for the first time in ages is the mark of a useless team. OK.

St Mirren are a decent side, and unless I'm mistaken won more points against the other teams in the league last season than we did. No great shame in a close run defeat that could easily have gone the other way.

Yesterday was a shocking performance with the exception of a 15 minute period. There have been far too many like that in Johnson’s time.

[snedzuk]

So qualifying for Europe after beating Celtc for the first time in ages is the mark of a useless team. OK.

St Mirren are a decent side, and unless I'm mistaken won more points against the other teams in the league last season than we did. No great shame in a close run defeat that could easily have gone the other way.

Robinson said yesterday he'd like another striker but 75k on mcmenamen has expended his budget. We've spent circa £2m and we're calling for more. That's not being spent so we can compete equally with St Mirren - and I completely agree they are a good team. That's telling me they are doing something right that we are doing wrong.

[Stuart93]

So qualifying for Europe after beating Celtc for the first time in ages is the mark of a useless team. OK.

St Mirren are a decent side, and unless I'm mistaken won more points against the other teams in the league last season than we did. No great shame in a close run defeat that could easily have gone the other way.

Christ, to try and put a positive spin on yesterdays result is a massive reach.

[BoomtownHibees]

So qualifying for Europe after beating Celtc for the first time in ages is the mark of a useless team. OK.

St Mirren are a decent side, and unless I'm mistaken won more points against the other teams in the league last season than we did. No great shame in a close run defeat that could easily have gone the other way.

Not just about the result for me, the team lineup & the performance were more of a concern

[Hibernian Verse]

Christ, to try and put a positive spin on yesterdays result is a massive reach.

Agree with you on this.

A broken clock...etc :wink:

(I'M JOKING)

[Stuart93]

Agree with you on this.

A broken clock...etc :wink:

(I'M JOKING)

Knew we’d get there eventually, it’s only up the way for us now.

I’m excited to see how this blossoms

[Bushwoof]

Christ, to try and put a positive spin on yesterdays result is a massive reach.

Fair point, there wasn't much positive about it, though pretty much everyone in the ground thought we were much the more likely winners when it went to 2-2.

Just saying it wasn't as bad as it's being made out in some quarters. If we'd been beaten by the other Saints, that really would have been something to go mental about.

[Hibernian Verse]

Knew we’d get there eventually, it’s only up the way for us now.

I’m excited to see how this blossoms

A Hibs win on Thursday would go a long way!

[Stuart93]

Fair point, there wasn't much positive about it, though pretty much everyone in the ground thought we were much the more likely winners when it went to 2-2.

Just saying it wasn't as bad as it's being made out in some quarters. If we'd been beaten by the other Saints, that really would have been something to go mental about.

For the amount of money we’ve spent in the window, to look utter clueless until 65mins in, is as bad as is being made out tbh.

As is the starting 11 he went with and the complete lack of gameplay we seem to have after a full preseason.

To look that bad at home in front of a sell out crowd in the first game of the season is, for me, as bad as is being made out

[Stuart93]

A Hibs win on Thursday would go a long way!

Us agreeing again!

[Smartie]

Christ, to try and put a positive spin on yesterdays result is a massive reach.

One positive spin to put on yesterday’s performance and result is that we’ve had the odd terrible result and performance throughout Johnson’s reign. They don’t automatically lead to a concerted period of poor results and performances, it sometimes feels more like you need to take it on the chin and get back to winning ways asap.

[Since452]

So qualifying for Europe after beating Celtc for the first time in ages is the mark of a useless team. OK.

St Mirren are a decent side, and unless I'm mistaken won more points against the other teams in the league last season than we did. No great shame in a close run defeat that could easily have gone the other way.

They are a decent side but they've not just gone and spent £1.5 million on three players (i know one of them wasn't playing). I expect Hibs to go and beat St Mirren and anything other than a win is hugely disappointing. We got it wrong badly first half. To Hibs credit they came back and could have won the game but you can't go giving any team in this league a 2-0 lead. Criminal and the opposite of streetwise which is what we need to be. I still think we have bags of attacking quality but we aren't smart enough. There really isn't any excuse for that yesterday.

[Stuart93]

One positive spin to put on yesterday’s performance and result is that we’ve had the odd terrible result and performance throughout Johnson’s reign. They don’t automatically lead to a concerted period of poor results and performances, it sometimes feels more like you need to take it on the chin and get back to winning ways asap.

Suppose it’s the unknown with this hibs team

We went on a 5 match winning run at one point last season and a nine game losing run if I remember correctly

[blackpoolhibs]

I’m not even sure the defence is a “huge” problem. Address that midfield balance, motivate properly and I think we will win far more than we lose.

I disagree, i think the defence is a huge problem, coupled with a pish poor midfield. Up front we will always score goals, pace on both wings and hopefully in Vente a goalscoring centre forward.

That defence is poor, a keeper who cant keep the ball out of the net, two full backs who are very very average and a centre half pairing who look like they are carrying a sack of spuds when tracking back.

Good sides build from the back, but we have two right backs that have been awful so far this season, Stevenson looking like this could be his last season, with Hanlon not far behind him i my opinion.

That midfield can be great on its day, but there day does not come around often enough for me, and there have been many threads over the years going on about them, especially the 3 who started on Sunday.

I'm not very confident about this season at all, we certainly need to bring in some bloody good players at full back and midfield at least before i think my mind will change over that.

[WhileTheChief..]

If Ron bless his soul was with us LJ would be well gone. :agree:

I dunno. It was RG that got us into this mess.

Remember the podcasts he appeared on? His defence of LJ was absolute and he didn’t accept one bit of criticism about him from the fans.

[Hibees1973]

Time to run this wee fool out of town and get someone decent in charge.

Hibs are throwing a bit of cash around, but it's going to count for nothing with this idiot running things.

[HoboHarry]

Time to run this wee fool out of town and get someone decent in charge.

Hibs are throwing a bit of cash around, but it's going to count for nothing with this idiot running things.
Enlightening to have such eloquence on Hibs.net. Bravo.

[Hibees1973]

Enlightening to have such eloquence on Hibs.net. Bravo.

Fair enough, if you want me to be pompous and eloquent this may suit you better.

It's now time accelerate the moving on of this diminutive character with limited cerebral intelligence.

It's very likely we will go on an upward progression with someone of more intellect and able to eradicate the deficiencies of our playing squad.

[Scottie]

Fair enough, if you want me to be pompous and eloquent this may suit you better.

It's now time accelerate the moving on of this diminutive character with limited cerebral intelligence.

It's very likely we will go on an upward progression with someone of more intellect and able to eradicate the deficiencies of our playing squad.
:tee hee:

[Hibernian Verse]

Fair enough, if you want me to be pompous and eloquent this may suit you better.

It's now time accelerate the moving on of this diminutive character with limited cerebral intelligence.

It's very likely we will go on an upward progression with someone of more intellect and able to eradicate the deficiencies of our playing squad.

That would’ve been better but LJ is a fairly intellectual person, which is one of the things some of the fans don’t like.

[DavidDavidGray]

Jury is in on LJ for me. I’ve seen enough that when we’re good, we’re really good. Had a strong second half of the season last year and started achieving a very consistent performance level, got let down towards the end with a lack of depth. Having said that, I think he needs to back his philosophy more. His 433/4141 that he adopted last season with Jeggo at the base worked and is clearly his best and preferred method, however he repeatedly changed this and we never seem to benefit. Last year it was a back 3 to fit in Porto, Rocky and Hanlon which coincided with a horrendous run and on Sunday it was trying to fit all our better technical midfielders in, which just led to us having nobody ahead of the defence and us being ran over. Personally feel a Jeggo/Newell/Levitt midfield is by far our best as having Jeggo there brings our defence more security as well as allowing JN and DL to be able to take more risks and play further forward, to their strengths. I hope he realises this because I like him, but the fact there’s been more than a couple occasions where we’ve had to make a couple early tactical substitutions concerns me as we should be getting it right from the start. Can’t sack a manager after every defeat, he’s received the backing so gotta give him a time period to see what he can do with it.

[Since452]

Fair enough, if you want me to be pompous and eloquent this may suit you better.

It's now time accelerate the moving on of this diminutive character with limited cerebral intelligence.

It's very likely we will go on an upward progression with someone of more intellect and able to eradicate the deficiencies of our playing squad.

😂😂

[BSEJVT]

I think people are really reactionary in light of a bad result. Rangers also had one. We're not immune.

The players sent out are capable of better. Johnson picks the team but he can't play the game for them. If he didn't start Boyle after the impact his return had then he'd have been crucified on here. Instead he is crucified because Boyle is still not fully recovered from injury.

We all want better but you have to play your way into the season. How can we judge this season's team when Nisbet's replacement hasn't got a work permit yet alone a few games to get up to speed?

If nobody wants a transitional season then don't change the manager. That is a vote for transition. Get Vente playing, get Boyle fit, get Levitt contributing to the level he promises, then see where we are.

The result isn't the real issue, neither would that performance be in isolation, far better teams than us have suffered European hangovers and performed poorly in the league after midweek games.

It is the lack of progress, the squad is is no better shape than the one he inherited, we don't have a first choice first eleven, we seem to sign players who cant displace the crap we have. We have loads and loads of performances like that and it must be written in his contract that he has to kick the support hard in the nads at the first sign of optimism as he does it time and time again.

We have no idea what system we want to play, he speaks in riddles, no doubt trying to impress with his football knowledge.

He cant or wont address positions / areas that have plagued us for years.

He talks about how he wants to play and then fields / signs players who couldn't play that way if their lives depended on it.

Once in a blue moon he lucks out on a formation or player having a purple patch and rides that horse till it falls, which buys him more time he does not deserve.


I would love someone to tell me that they can see even slight progress towards any of the above, its just not there, at least not sustainably so

[Keepthefaith]

Jury is in on LJ for me. I’ve seen enough that when we’re good, we’re really good. Had a strong second half of the season last year and started achieving a very consistent performance level, got let down towards the end with a lack of depth. Having said that, I think he needs to back his philosophy more. His 433/4141 that he adopted last season with Jeggo at the base worked and is clearly his best and preferred method, however he repeatedly changed this and we never seem to benefit. Last year it was a back 3 to fit in Porto, Rocky and Hanlon which coincided with a horrendous run and on Sunday it was trying to fit all our better technical midfielders in, which just led to us having nobody ahead of the defence and us being ran over. Personally feel a Jeggo/Newell/Levitt midfield is by far our best as having Jeggo there brings our defence more security as well as allowing JN and DL to be able to take more risks and play further forward, to their strengths. I hope he realises this because I like him, but the fact there’s been more than a couple occasions where we’ve had to make a couple early tactical substitutions concerns me as we should be getting it right from the start. Can’t sack a manager after every defeat, he’s received the backing so gotta give him a time period to see what he can do with it.

Really measured summary, tend to agree with most of it. One of the biggest worries for me ( and I've been a fan of LJ is how the team were so flat for the first game of the season? We didn't press st mirren enough, which he's said is a trademark of his style. We should have been all over gogic at the back as he's so poor with the ball at his feet.

I do wonder how much his backroom team are challenging him too... McAllister and gray need to stand up and take accountability too. If the midfield players aren't implementing his style, then he needs to drop them!

[J-C]

The result isn't the real issue, neither would that performance be in isolation, far better teams than us have suffered European hangovers and performed poorly in the league after midweek games.

It is the lack of progress, the squad is is no better shape than the one he inherited, we don't have a first choice first eleven, we seem to sign players who cant displace the crap we have. We have loads and loads of performances like that and it must be written in his contract that he has to kick the support hard in the nads at the first sign of optimism as he does it time and time again.

We have no idea what system we want to play, he speaks in riddles, no doubt trying to impress with his football knowledge.

He cant or wont address positions / areas that have plagued us for years.

He talks about how he wants to play and then fields / signs players who couldn't play that way if their lives depended on it.

Once in a blue moon he lucks out on a formation or player having a purple patch and rides that horse till it falls, which buys him more time he does not deserve.


I would love someone to tell me that they can see even slight progress towards any of the above, its just not there, at least not sustainably so

Perfect post and says it all. :agree:

[B.H.F.C]

The result isn't the real issue, neither would that performance be in isolation, far better teams than us have suffered European hangovers and performed poorly in the league after midweek games.

It is the lack of progress, the squad is is no better shape than the one he inherited, we don't have a first choice first eleven, we seem to sign players who cant displace the crap we have. We have loads and loads of performances like that and it must be written in his contract that he has to kick the support hard in the nads at the first sign of optimism as he does it time and time again.

We have no idea what system we want to play, he speaks in riddles, no doubt trying to impress with his football knowledge.

He cant or wont address positions / areas that have plagued us for years.

He talks about how he wants to play and then fields / signs players who couldn't play that way if their lives depended on it.

Once in a blue moon he lucks out on a formation or player having a purple patch and rides that horse till it falls, which buys him more time he does not deserve.


I would love someone to tell me that they can see even slight progress towards any of the above, its just not there, at least not sustainably so

I agree with most of that but I think the squad now is better than the one he inherited. He just doesn’t know how to get the best out of it and he never will.

[HoboHarry]

Fair enough, if you want me to be pompous and eloquent this may suit you better.

It's now time accelerate the moving on of this diminutive character with limited cerebral intelligence.

It's very likely we will go on an upward progression with someone of more intellect and able to eradicate the deficiencies of our playing squad.
Smiley face award for trying but not even close. Read the post by BSEJVT for a degree of intelligent writing that you could aspire to emulate.

[Hibees1973]

Smiley face award for trying but not even close. Read the post by BSEJVT for a degree of intelligent writing that you could aspire to emulate.

Jings, it must be dark where you are.

[BSEJVT]

I agree with most of that but I think the squad now is better than the one he inherited. He just doesn’t know how to get the best out of it and he never will.

It’s 50/50 imo at best

No viable full back options

That same midfield

We do have more c/h options and better forward options though

We have also rinsed through substantial cash getting to this point

[B.H.F.C]

It’s 50/50 imo at best

No viable full back options

That same midfield

We do have more c/h options and better forward options though

We have also rinsed through substantial cash getting to this point

I despair at the amount of money we must have wasted over the last year when a competent manager would have had us in a much stronger position.

But I think we’ve got loads of goals in us now and when I think back to what it was like at the end of 21/22 we’re night and day in that regard.

The defensive side should be the easier part to sort out and that’s where a competent manager comes in, someone who is capable of organising them properly. We don’t currently have that for me.

[bordergreen]

That would’ve been better but LJ is a fairly intellectual person, which is one of the things some of the fans don’t like.

What I don’t like about him is, that he can’t set up a team to play and slavers a load of rubbish…

[Hibbyradge]

What I don’t like about him is, that he can’t set up a team to play and slavers a load of rubbish…

This seems to be a common trope on hibs.net. I wonder if folk who don't read Hibs.net or similar think the same.

What examples have you of him slavering a load of rubbish?

[Davy Mac]

I dunno. It was RG that got us into this mess.

Remember the podcasts he appeared on? His defence of LJ was absolute and he didn’t accept one bit of criticism about him from the fans.

Personally, I think LJ pulled his chain, pressed the right buttons and RG probably bought into his guff.

[BSEJVT]

That would’ve been better but LJ is a fairly intellectual person, which is one of the things some of the fans don’t like.

LJ is anything but an intellectual, I wish he was.

He is pretty typical of 100’s of individuals I encountered in a career in Financial Services

Buzzword bingo champ who read the latest marketing manual for blue sky thinkers and felt obliged to regurgitate it unedited.

Really bright folk know they need to get their message over in a way their audience will understand without resorting too the pish that buffoon spouts

[Stuart93]

Someone can probably prove me wrong from a stats perspective however LJ’s hibs team strike me as being quite lazy.

I don’t know if that’s maybe just been a problem in the midfield for a while but it seems to me that when we win the ball back we’re short on options because there’s hardly any willing runners or players coming short for the ball

And on the other foot we never seem to close down the opposition quickly or hurry them when they’re in possession like other teams do to us. Other teams seem to play with the freedom of the pitch (it seems like) against us, playing through us easily.

[Smartie]

I despair at the amount of money we must have wasted over the last year when a competent manager would have had us in a much stronger position.

But I think we’ve got loads of goals in us now and when I think back to what it was like at the end of 21/22 we’re night and day in that regard.

The defensive side should be the easier part to sort out and that’s where a competent manager comes in, someone who is capable of organising them properly. We don’t currently have that for me.

I despair about the wasting of the money last summer but even if Johnson were to prove to be a dud and punted, I think the money we’ve spent this summer should prove to have been spent much better.

Any manager coming in to manage at our level will be delighted to be getting to work with Levitt, Youan and Vente, whilst Obita may also turn out decent?

[Donegal Hibby]

That would’ve been better but LJ is a fairly intellectual person, which is one of the things some of the fans don’t like.
His record at other clubs has been fairly good as well . Still think we will have a decent season TBH .

[B.H.F.C]

I despair about the wasting of the money last summer but even if Johnson were to prove to be a dud and punted, I think the money we’ve spent this summer should prove to have been spent much better.

Any manager coming in to manage at our level will be delighted to be getting to work with Levitt, Youan and Vente, whilst Obita may also turn out decent?

Yeah I’d agree with that. I still think we’ve signed players this window who will be good players. Not all of them because that’ll never be the case, but there are good players in there. I just don’t think Johnson is ever likely to mould them in to a team.

[Hibbyradge]

LJ is anything but an intellectual, I wish he was.

He is pretty typical of 100’s of individuals I encountered in a career in Financial Services

Buzzword bingo champ who read the latest marketing manual for blue sky thinkers and felt obliged to regurgitate it unedited.

Really bright folk know they need to get their message over in a way their audience will understand without resorting too the pish that buffoon spouts

This is a genuine question.

What pish has he spouted? Presumably there must be a large number of examples for this to be a fairly commonly held belief.

[BSEJVT]

This is a genuine question.

What pish has he spouted? Presumably there must be a large number of examples for this to be a fairly commonly held belief.

The most obvious is the high press nonsense but Red Arrows was a belter too

Look up his interviews D he is an absolute slaver who speaks in cliches and at times riddles

He is that impressed by his football intelligence that he makes it indecipherable for us mere mortals

There were a couple of examples from his post match Sunday interview as well someone told me about today I have long since stopped paying attention to his nonsense

[matty_f]

Jury is in on LJ for me. I’ve seen enough that when we’re good, we’re really good. Had a strong second half of the season last year and started achieving a very consistent performance level, got let down towards the end with a lack of depth. Having said that, I think he needs to back his philosophy more. His 433/4141 that he adopted last season with Jeggo at the base worked and is clearly his best and preferred method, however he repeatedly changed this and we never seem to benefit. Last year it was a back 3 to fit in Porto, Rocky and Hanlon which coincided with a horrendous run and on Sunday it was trying to fit all our better technical midfielders in, which just led to us having nobody ahead of the defence and us being ran over. Personally feel a Jeggo/Newell/Levitt midfield is by far our best as having Jeggo there brings our defence more security as well as allowing JN and DL to be able to take more risks and play further forward, to their strengths. I hope he realises this because I like him, but the fact there’s been more than a couple occasions where we’ve had to make a couple early tactical substitutions concerns me as we should be getting it right from the start. Can’t sack a manager after every defeat, he’s received the backing so gotta give him a time period to see what he can do with it.

Good post.

[FifeHibs]

This is a genuine question.

What pish has he spouted? Presumably there must be a large number of examples for this to be a fairly commonly held belief.

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/205060-johnsonisms/ Have a read

[blackpoolhibs]

Snow white is missing one of her little friends.

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/205060-johnsonisms/ Have a read

He's being criticised in there for saying perfectly ordinary things. It's just a pile on with everyone picking up anything they can and twisting it to paint LJ in a bad light.

[GreenGray]

He's being criticised in there for saying perfectly ordinary things. It's just a pile on with everyone picking up anything they can and twisting it to paint LJ in a bad light.

If multiple fan bases who’ve had him as manager have noticed it. As well as fans of other teams (regularly see other fans of other Scottish teams laughing at him even saw Villa fans talking about him on Twitter after we drew them) there has to be something in it.


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[jeffers]

He's being criticised in there for saying perfectly ordinary things. It's just a pile on with everyone picking up anything they can and twisting it to paint LJ in a bad light.

What about the 99 problems he identified when he first came in ?

[Hibbyradge]

If multiple fan bases who’ve had him as manager have noticed it. As well as fans of other teams (regularly see other fans of other Scottish teams laughing at him even saw Villa fans talking about him on Twitter after we drew them) there has to be something in it.


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I think it's just people being sheep, tbh. That team's fan's said it so it must be true so we'll copy them.

He's been here over a year and he must have given hundreds and hundreds of interviews in that time.

Surely there are a few dozen examples of him talking "absolute pish"?

[Hibbyradge]

What about the 99 problems he identified when he first came in ?

What were they?

Was he being literal?

Or was he just making a point?

[jeffers]

He's being criticised in there for saying perfectly ordinary things. It's just a pile on with everyone picking up anything they can and twisting it to paint LJ in a bad light.

Out of interest why do you think he gets so much criticism ? Pretty much any manager we appoint will have some fans who don’t take to them from the off but most will give them a chance before forming an opinion one way or another.

[jeffers]

What were they?

Was he being literal?

Or was he just making a point?

That’s the thing though he never did say what they were. I guess we’ll have a different take on it :greengrin

[GreenGray]

I think it's just people being sheep, tbh. That team's fan's said it so it must be true so we'll copy them.

He's been here over a year and he must have given hundreds and hundreds of interviews in that time.

Surely there are a few dozen examples of him talking "absolute pish"?

Off the top of my head; Red arrows, talking about getting in SAS snipers to motivate, having Martin Boyle as a cheerleader, telling his players to knock on Celtic players doors and asking what they eat.

That’s before you look into his analysis of the games where you can definitely say he talks pish.

Edit: forgot about him saying he was ready to act like Matt Damon in good will hunting.

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[zitelli62]

I just don't think he takes us seriously always laughing and joking with his comments never his fault always the players,telling us at the start it's all about the high press then last Sunday hoofing balls up to doidge all game he also said we would be fine for the first 3 games won 1 lost 2 but never his fault.

[Hibbyradge]

Out of interest why do you think he gets so much criticism ? Pretty much any manager we appoint will have some fans who don’t take to them from the off but most will give them a chance before forming an opinion one way or another.

I don't know, but there's been a constant stream of criticism from the outset. The criticisms levelled against him by other cluns' fans have also been referenced in order to attack him. I've never seen that happen before.

I don't think he's treated fairly by several vociferous posters on here but from the poll taken before the St Mirren match it seems most people are prepared to give him a chance.

I also think the way he tries to make his points to the press is up to him and kicking him for not using the words we like would be bullying if it was done to his face.

He got us playing well enough to finish the season satisfactorily and qualify for Europe. Whether he thinks there are 99 problems when the red arrows do their pressing or whatever he wants to say is irrelevant.

[Bridge hibs]

Off the top of my head; Red arrows, talking about getting in SAS snipers to motivate, having Martin Boyle as a cheerleader, telling his players to knock on Celtic players doors and asking what they eat.

That’s before you look into his analysis of the games where you can definitely say he talks pish.

Edit: forgot about him saying he was ready to act like Matt Damon in good will hunting.

Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWith regards the celtic 6-1 defeat heres what he said and to be honest I dont see much wrong with it

"I look at the likes of Kyogo Furuhashi, or Diazen Maeda, Reo Hatate and think, ‘you’re so dynamic, powerful, and athletic’. I’d be knocking on the door asking them what they do. What they eat for breakfast, how often they stretch, how many weights? That’s the standard the boys need to be at

[Hibbyradge]

That’s the thing though he never did say what they were. I guess we’ll have a different take on it :greengrin

Can you imagine if he was being literal.

And the carnage if he did say what they were!

[Hibbyradge]

With regards the celtic 6-1 defeat heres what he said and to be honest I dont see much wrong with it

"I look at the likes of Kyogo Furuhashi, or Diazen Maeda, Reo Hatate and think, ‘you’re so dynamic, powerful, and athletic’. I’d be knocking on the door asking them what they do. What they eat for breakfast, how often they stretch, how many weights? That’s the standard the boys need to be at

I remember Jack Ross saying that the players were "Lazy, slow and selfish" after a defeat. No-one said a word.

Can you imagine the uproar if LJ said that?

[GreenGray]

With regards the celtic 6-1 defeat heres what he said and to be honest I dont see much wrong with it

"I look at the likes of Kyogo Furuhashi, or Diazen Maeda, Reo Hatate and think, ‘you’re so dynamic, powerful, and athletic’. I’d be knocking on the door asking them what they do. What they eat for breakfast, how often they stretch, how many weights? That’s the standard the boys need to be at

I mean don’t we have our own team of nutritionists and sports scientists?

I suppose it’s subjective whether you think he talks pish or not, but can’t be a coincidence if multiple fan bases believe it as well as half of Scottish football. I’ve heard journalists say they love him as he fills their pages [emoji2371]

Thing is we wouldn’t be moaning if he could back it up on the pitch, but he rarely does.


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[007]

What about the 99 problems he identified when he first came in ?

The pitch ain't one.

[LewysGot2]

I remember Jack Ross saying that the players were "Lazy, slow and selfish" after a defeat. No-one said a word.

Can you imagine the uproar if LJ said that?

There’s certainly a phenomenon where folk home in on phrases from managers…and sometimes that never gets shaken off by them…

”Fitba folk ken”

”Entertainment at the cinema”

”Hibernian Legions, I will be here as long as you want me”*

Interestingly Maloneyball is about to be interviewed after losing to Wrexham so I’ll look out for some of his isms :wink:




*one of these was more an outright fib than an irritating expression

[jeffers]

I don't know, but there's been a constant stream of criticism from the outset. The criticisms levelled against him by other cluns' fans have also been referenced in order to attack him. I've never seen that happen before.

I don't think he's treated fairly by several vociferous posters on here but from the poll taken before the St Mirren match it seems most people are prepared to give him a chance.

I also think the way he tries to make his points to the press is up to him and kicking him for not using the words we like would be bullying if it was done to his face.

He got us playing well enough to finish the season satisfactorily and qualify for Europe. Whether he thinks there are 99 problems when the red arrows do their pressing or whatever he wants to say is irrelevant.

Depending on your take on things people have either been influenced by fans of other teams or seen for themselves him do exactly what he’d been accused of. If most people are prepared to give him a chance he’ll be fine then, comments on here having a go at him aren’t going to matter at all. However, and I know it’s nowhere near an actual representation of the fan base as a whole, I don’t know personally know one single person who likes him and the feeling I get from those who sit near me at ER is they don’t have much time for him either.

It’s not really the words he uses as such that bother me, but I think he tries to make himself look clever and his regular name dropping and boasting I can’t be doing with. Even those at the club were wishing he’d shut up his chat about the City Group.

To you or I as fans yeah I agree what he says is pretty much irrelevant but it’s not irrelevant if the players are thinking that and are unable to follow his instructions, something he’s said has happened in two of the three competitive games we’ve played this season.

[FifeHibs]

"There's a quote, do sharks worry about Monday? No, they go round being sharks, biting stuff and being aggressive. We showed that and I think it resonated quite well. So, yeah. We bit a few ankles today that's for sure."


“I went to Real Madrid to watch sessions in the academy, to Barcelona to watch their B team, to New York City [FC]. I had two hours with Pep Guardiola over the two games, which was great. It wasn’t just me picking his brains, it was 60-40 and he was actually genuinely interested in my ideas. We had a real fierce debate about high back lines and the speed of your back four. They played such a high line, so I created a quick free kick, lifted over the line and nearly got them.

”I’m the 8th best manager In Europe under 40 (according to 442)

I’ve recently been talking to a guy who has amassed about 9,000 hours of interrogation at military level in war zones. He was fascinating, and I’m trying to work out whether I can bring some of that into my management”

”

[bordergreen]

This seems to be a common trope on hibs.net. I wonder if folk who don't read Hibs.net or similar think the same.

What examples have you of him slavering a load of rubbish?

Almost every time I hear him speak I am left with the feeling, I can’t take that guy seriously. I have felt like that since he came in. As I have said elsewhere, even my mates that don’t support Hibs say to me, did you see your manager being interviewed, I can’t take that guy seriously, he is a total slaver.

I have tried to put those feelings to the back of my mind, back the team, and hope that he started getting us performing well and consistently. That has not happened. I, like many others, am not upset just because of the St Mirren performance. It is his persistence with a midfield that doesn’t work most of the time, playing people in the wrong positions, giving me, and others, the impression he does not know what he is doing.

We get the same excuses and usually blaming of the players every time. It is his job to come up with a game plan, set up the best team he can, and make sure that team knows exactly what they need to do.

Do you think he sets the team up well, and plays people in their correct positions in most games?

I hope we get rid and bring someone in who can get the best out of the resources we have, as they are not looking far away in terms of personnel. Get it done to give the new man time to bring in the final couple of players required, before the window shuts.

You are entitled to your opinion. Just because mine is different to yours, doesn’t mean I am wrong.

[Donegal Hibby]

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/205060-johnsonisms/ Have a read
Think he took over when they were in relegation trouble and had them 8 points outside the play-offs before he left .A lot want McInnes to replace him yet a lot of Aberdeen fans didn't say much good about him in the end up either tbh .
https://afc-chat.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/45631-aberdeen-sack-derek-mcinnes/

[The Modfather]

I think it's just people being sheep, tbh. That team's fan's said it so it must be true so we'll copy them.

He's been here over a year and he must have given hundreds and hundreds of interviews in that time.

Surely there are a few dozen examples of him talking "absolute pish"?

I think fans call it as they see it. We were warned that Jack Ross didn’t win the big games from his time at Sunderland, which also plagued his time at Hibs. We were told Johnson had a habit of going on streaks, be it winning or losing, which we saw last season. We heard comparisons to David Brent before he arrived and we’ve all had a laugh at some of his Brent-isims. The way he talks, and the phrases he uses, are certainly unique. That doesn’t make him
a good, or bad manager in itself, but the way he talks is like an American football coach has just parachuted into the sport of football.

[Hibbyradge]

"There's a quote, do sharks worry about Monday? No, they go round being sharks, biting stuff and being aggressive. We showed that and I think it resonated quite well. So, yeah. We bit a few ankles today that's for sure."


“I went to Real Madrid to watch sessions in the academy, to Barcelona to watch their B team, to New York City [FC]. I had two hours with Pep Guardiola over the two games, which was great. It wasn’t just me picking his brains, it was 60-40 and he was actually genuinely interested in my ideas. We had a real fierce debate about high back lines and the speed of your back four. They played such a high line, so I created a quick free kick, lifted over the line and nearly got them.

”I’m the 8th best manager In Europe under 40 (according to 442)

I’ve recently been talking to a guy who has amassed about 9,000 hours of interrogation at military level in war zones. He was fascinating, and I’m trying to work out whether I can bring some of that into my management”

”

So what?

[Hibbyradge]

I genuinely couldn't care if he talked about unicorn tactics in sporting scenarios, and I think to kick him for his words is cheap, lazy and tantamount to bullying.

What's important is how the team performs. We're in Europe, we have some potentially exciting new players coming in and a new season has just started.

If we're out of Europe, beaten by Motherwell and humiliated at at home by Raith Rovers in the cup, his choice of metaphors and analogies won't be on anyone's mind, certainly not mine.

Of course, same applies if, hopefully when, we start to click as a team.

[SaulGoodman]

What about the 99 problems he identified when he first came in ?

He had 99 problems but the pitch ain’t one

[GreenGray]

I genuinely couldn't care if he talked about unicorn tactics in sporting scenarios, and I think to kick him for his words is cheap, lazy and tantamount to bullying.

What's important is how the team performs. We're in Europe, we have some potentially exciting new players coming in and a new season has just started.

If we're out of Europe, beaten by Motherwell and humiliated at at home by Raith Rovers in the cup, his choice of metaphors and analogies won't be on anyone's mind, certainly not mine.

Of course, same applies if, hopefully when, we start to click as a team.

Doesn’t bother you what he says post match and how he analyses games?


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[ScottB]

It’s the same problem McKirdy has really, you can be a ‘bit of a character’ and get away with it if you’re a big success. If you’re not it’s more likely you’ll rub people up the wrong way.

As far as I can tell much of what LJ talks about his game ideas and how we actually play seem radically divorced from each other. I suppose the real question is how different is what he tells the players from how we actually play, it’s likely the media soundbites are him bigging himself up in his own mind.

[Hibbyradge]

Doesn’t bother you what he says post match and how he analyses games?


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No. I think he's usually accurate in what he says.

But I don't listen hoping to find fault or waiting until he says something I don't understand.

[GreenGray]

No. I think he's usually accurate in what he says.

But I don't listen hoping to find fault or waiting until he says something I don't understand.

He’d be accurate if he took at least part of the blame.

No issue with him having a slight go at the fans over Boyle’s fitness when he’s the manager who put him at the graveyard shift at wing back?


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[Hibbyradge]

He’d be accurate if he took at least part of the blame.

No issue with him having a slight go at the fans over Boyle’s fitness when he’s the manager who put him at the graveyard shift at wing back?


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He took the blame on Sunday.

He said that the early subs were an admission that he'd made a mistake. That's more than partial too.

[matty_f]

With regards the celtic 6-1 defeat heres what he said and to be honest I dont see much wrong with it

"I look at the likes of Kyogo Furuhashi, or Diazen Maeda, Reo Hatate and think, ‘you’re so dynamic, powerful, and athletic’. I’d be knocking on the door asking them what they do. What they eat for breakfast, how often they stretch, how many weights? That’s the standard the boys need to be at
I would have taken this more seriously from him if he'd followed up by explaining what he learned about what Postecoglu had for breakfast etc, because I'm assuming he went and asked.

[Hibbyradge]

I would have taken this more seriously from him if he'd followed up by explaining what he learned about what Postecoglu had for breakfast etc, because I'm assuming he went and asked.

Oh Matty.

[jacomo]

I genuinely couldn't care if he talked about unicorn tactics in sporting scenarios, and I think to kick him for his words is cheap, lazy and tantamount to bullying.

What's important is how the team performs. We're in Europe, we have some potentially exciting new players coming in and a new season has just started.

If we're out of Europe, beaten by Motherwell and humiliated at at home by Raith Rovers in the cup, his choice of metaphors and analogies won't be on anyone's mind, certainly not mine.

Of course, same applies if, hopefully when, we start to click as a team.


The way the manager speaks, the tone he sets, the expectation he creates, are all huge parts of the job imo.

He usually looks like he’s having a good time, but given the way he talks in public I do wonder what the players think.

[Hibbyradge]

The way the manager speaks, the tone he sets, the expectation he creates, are all huge parts of the job imo.

He usually looks like he’s having a good time, but given the way he talks in public I do wonder what the players think.

Ok. I don't think there's anything wrong with the tone he sets. Regarding the expectations he creates, he said we're going to have a successful season but folk are on here jumping on him for guaranteeing something positive! FFS what chance has he got?

I've no idea what the players think, how could we, but by all accounts I've seen, he's thought to be a very good coach.

Kukharevych wanted to return, Fish did come back on loan despite interest from elsewhere and Youan signed a permanent deal. I don't know what that tells us about the players' thoughts. :dunno:

[007]

I would have taken this more seriously from him if he'd followed up by explaining what he learned about what Postecoglu had for breakfast etc, because I'm assuming he went and asked.

Postecoglu would have been tucking in to Eggs Benedict with smoked salmon at One Devonshire Gardens whilst Johnson's budget only afforded him a Sausage and Egg McMuffin from McDonald's.

[mcohibs]

I would have taken this more seriously from him if he'd followed up by explaining what he learned about what Postecoglu had for breakfast etc, because I'm assuming he went and asked.

Ange is definitely a full fry up, no messing about. Two sausages, hash browns the lot. Strong breakfast tea, milk and sugar. Bosh.

[Hibbyradge]

Ange is definitely a full fry up, no messing about. Two sausages, hash browns the lot. Strong breakfast tea, milk and sugar. Bosh.

Nah.

It's half a dozen BBQd prawns, some corn fritters and a side of Vegemite on toast.

His coffee would be good.

[Basildon Hibs]

Fair enough, if you want me to be pompous and eloquent this may suit you better.

It's now time accelerate the moving on of this diminutive character with limited cerebral intelligence.

It's very likely we will go on an upward progression with someone of more intellect and able to eradicate the deficiencies of our playing squad.

Spot on. 👍

[Basildon Hibs]

The most obvious is the high press nonsense but Red Arrows was a belter too

Look up his interviews D he is an absolute slaver who speaks in cliches and at times riddles

He is that impressed by his football intelligence that he makes it indecipherable for us mere mortals

There were a couple of examples from his post match Sunday interview as well someone told me about today I have long since stopped paying attention to his nonsense

👍👍

[Donegal Hibby]

https://youtu.be/s8nPIZmXIC0
Talks well imo 👍👍👍

[Bridge hibs]

I would have taken this more seriously from him if he'd followed up by explaining what he learned about what Postecoglu had for breakfast etc, because I'm assuming he went and asked.See it was common sense, Imagine he had said the same about Morelos

"I look at the likes of Alfredo Morelos and think, ‘you’re so chubby, your arse wobbles and you dont look healthy, I’d be knocking on the door asking him what he does. Who he eats for breakfast, how often he stretches, how many sets of scales he has broken ? That’s the standard you boys dont want to be at

🫢

[BSEJVT]

I remember Jack Ross saying that the players were "Lazy, slow and selfish" after a defeat. No-one said a word.

Can you imagine the uproar if LJ said that?

Interesting you can remember that but not the loads of LJ examples, maybe because it doesn’t fit your narrative or perception of him, which is fair enough,

It needs to be taken in context as well as as a one off rant v serial offender.

Tbh I couldn’t give two hoots what fans of other clubs think about LJ as I don’t know them from Adam

I know what I see and hear and what others on this board (some of whose opinion I respect having read their views on Hibs over many years) see and hear.

I think he is a dreadful manager who has shown very little sign of progress or consistency and a completely unlikable individual smarmy and anything good is all about him, whilst never retaking responsibility for issues, a really poor leader.

I accept and respect that others have different views to which they are entitled.

[BSEJVT]

I genuinely couldn't care if he talked about unicorn tactics in sporting scenarios, and I think to kick him for his words is cheap, lazy and tantamount to bullying.

What's important is how the team performs. We're in Europe, we have some potentially exciting new players coming in and a new season has just started.

If we're out of Europe, beaten by Motherwell and humiliated at at home by Raith Rovers in the cup, his choice of metaphors and analogies won't be on anyone's mind, certainly not mine.

Of course, same applies if, hopefully when, we start to click as a team.

Ffs Dave

Unless he is communicating by semaphore or through the medium of interpretive dance his words are all he has to communicate.

Don’t tell me you have never sat in a training course or seminar and thought this guy is talking total pish and completely switched off

It’s all very well defending your position but it’s getting near the time to stop digging the hole when the weight of opinion is vastly against you.

[jacomo]

With regards the celtic 6-1 defeat heres what he said and to be honest I dont see much wrong with it

"I look at the likes of Kyogo Furuhashi, or Diazen Maeda, Reo Hatate and think, ‘you’re so dynamic, powerful, and athletic’. I’d be knocking on the door asking them what they do. What they eat for breakfast, how often they stretch, how many weights? That’s the standard the boys need to be at


Give me Neil Lennon or John Collins, someone who doesn’t need to ask how to reach the required standard.

Sometimes I wonder about Hibs as a professional sports outfit. Is there a reason our players don’t train as hard as Celtic’s?

[Brightside]

Bullying. Christ on a bike. I’d hate someone on here to actually go through bullying if anyone actually thinks LJ is being bullied by some faceless people on an insignificant fans forum.

Let’s turn this around. If the senior leader in an organisation continually ignores you in the workplace whilst interacting with everyone else would that be bullying?

[Brightside]

He took the blame on Sunday.

He said that the early subs were an admission that he'd made a mistake. That's more than partial too.

Hang on. You said before that you weren’t aware of managers doing that? 😂. He did take some of the blame at the weekend. But then covered that be saying “when the players can’t carry out instructions I needed to change it”

[blackpoolhibs]

He also said after tha Andorra shambles that he didnt want to make excuses, then proceeded to list about a dozen.:faf:

[H18 SFR]

https://youtu.be/s8nPIZmXIC0
Talks well imo 👍👍👍

Really enjoyed watching that.

[Brightside]

Really enjoyed watching that.

And if he'd set up like that against St Mirren we might have won? Maybe he's a better manager playing against better teams. A lot of what he talks about there is how to stop the other team. All good stuff and all available on the SFA C License, where if you are very lucky you might get Jack Ross as your tutor.

Maybe he is under estimating traditional "bottom 6" teams? Just set us up to be hard to beat. We have a tonne of pace in the final 3rd - exploit that in transition when we steal possession.

[matty_f]

Wrote a bit about the mood around Johnson here (Talking Point section):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian

[FitbaFolkKen]

There’s certainly a phenomenon where folk home in on phrases from managers…and sometimes that never gets shaken off by them…

”Fitba folk ken”

”Entertainment at the cinema”

”Hibernian Legions, I will be here as long as you want me”*

Interestingly Maloneyball is about to be interviewed after losing to Wrexham so I’ll look out for some of his isms :wink:




*one of these was more an outright fib than an irritating expression

[emoji102]


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[Since452]

Interesting you can remember that but not the loads of LJ examples, maybe because it doesn’t fit your narrative or perception of him, which is fair enough,

It needs to be taken in context as well as as a one off rant v serial offender.

Tbh I couldn’t give two hoots what fans of other clubs think about LJ as I don’t know them from Adam

I know what I see and hear and what others on this board (some of whose opinion I respect having read their views on Hibs over many years) see and hear.

I think he is a dreadful manager who has shown very little sign of progress or consistency and a completely unlikable individual smarmy and anything good is all about him, whilst never retaking responsibility for issues, a really poor leader.

I accept and respect that others have different views to which they are entitled.

I'm the opposite. I'm willing him to succeed partly because i find him highly likeable, humble and personable. Strange how peoples opinion on someone can differ so drastically.

[babahibs]

Who's this you're talking about?
Someone at Hibs?

Let’s turn this around. If the senior leader in an organisation continually ignores you in the workplace whilst interacting with everyone else would that be bullying?[/QUOTE]

[Brightside]

Who's this you're talking about?
Someone at Hibs?

Let’s turn this around. If the senior leader in an organisation continually ignores you in the workplace whilst interacting with everyone else would that be bullying?[/QUOTE]

I'm pointing out the ludicrous use of the term bullying on here, and yes we lost a youth player recently due to him being actively ignored by senior staff.

[Hibbyradge]

Interesting you can remember that but not the loads of LJ examples, maybe because it doesn’t fit your narrative or perception of him, which is fair enough,

It needs to be taken in context as well as as a one off rant v serial offender.

Tbh I couldn’t give two hoots what fans of other clubs think about LJ as I don’t know them from Adam

I know what I see and hear and what others on this board (some of whose opinion I respect having read their views on Hibs over many years) see and hear.

I think he is a dreadful manager who has shown very little sign of progress or consistency and a completely unlikable individual smarmy and anything good is all about him, whilst never retaking responsibility for issues, a really poor leader.

I accept and respect that others have different views to which they are entitled.

I don't have a narrative. I just think having a go at the manager because he uses metaphors and analogies is unfair and irrelevant to the football. I've understood what he's meant and I'm sure if he's using the same metaphors with the players, they're explained a lot more fully than we hear in a 2 minute interview.

I pointed out the Jack Ross quote to show that every manager criticises his players. I don't think LJ has ever been quite as forthright as JR was but he wasn't criticised for what he said.

I, and others, have countered the myth that he doesn't take responsibility when things go wrong several times.

I'm not LJs biggest fan, jeez if I am he's definitely in trouble, but I don't like to see unfairness and what is tantamount to bullying or would be if it was said to his face. He's our manager and he deserves our support even if it's muted.

If/when things go pear shaped this season, he'll be removed but I don't want things to go wrong so naturally, I'll back the manager and the players.

[Hibbyradge]

Hang on. You said before that you weren’t aware of managers doing that?

And then out of the blue, I found an example.

Cheers LJ. 👍

[Hibbyradge]

Bullying. Christ on a bike. I’d hate someone on here to actually go through bullying if anyone actually thinks LJ is being bullied by some faceless people on an insignificant fans forum.

Let’s turn this around. If the senior leader in an organisation continually ignores you in the workplace whilst interacting with everyone else would that be bullying?

The point I'm making is that picking fault with every little thing a person does and says, while exaggerating or making up other things, and refusing to acknowledge successes, is exactly what workplace bullies do. That people are gleefully piling on makes the analogy even more accurate.

I just realised my mistake. I'm using an analogy!

You haven't liked him since he arrived so why I debate this with you I don't know. I've not been well recently and I've not been out of the house other than to travel to the game on Sunday so I guess I've got too much time on my hands.

[1875M]

Couple of things for me that he has to address urgently if he wants to be here for the long term:
1) Levitt - Not a 6.
2) The Midfield. The midfield is better when Jeggo plays. It allows Newell and Levitt to get higher up the pitch. 4141/433, whatever you want to call it, we are better when we play with a recognised sitter because it allows the other midfielders to do what they do best which is create chances and feed our front 3 which I believe is the best outwith Rangers and Celtic.
3) Right Back - Delfierre, I think is a decent player but he’s not a right back. Miller should be playing here.
4) Hanlon & Stevenson - loyal and dedicated players. deserve some games to improve their form but if they are still underperforming in a few weeks, he needs to make a statement and drop them. Stevenson for Obita but my only worry is who you drop Hanlon for? Rocky who is prone to errors or Harbottle who I’ll be honest, I know nothing about except he apparently had a good season with Mansfield Town on loan.

Just my opinion.

[Brightside]

The point I'm making is that picking fault with every little thing a person does and says, while exaggerating or making up other things, and refusing to acknowledge successes, is exactly what workplace bullies do. That people are gleefully piling on makes the analogy even more accurate.

I just realised my mistake. I'm using an analogy!

You haven't liked him since he arrived so why I debate this with you I don't know. I've not been well recently and I've not been out of the house other than to travel to the game on Sunday so I guess I've got too much time on my hands.

Sorry to hear you are unwell. Get well soon. :aok:

[Hibbyradge]

Couple of things for me that he has to address urgently if he wants to be here for the long term:
1) Levitt - Not a 6.
2) The Midfield. The midfield is better when Jeggo plays. It allows Newell and Levitt to get higher up the pitch. 4141/433, whatever you want to call it, we are better when we play with a recognised sitter because it allows the other midfielders to do what they do best which is create chances and feed our front 3 which I believe is the best outwith Rangers and Celtic.
3) Right Back - Delfierre, I think is a decent player but he’s not a right back. Miller should be playing here.
4) Hanlon & Stevenson - loyal and dedicated players. deserve some games to improve their form but if they are still underperforming in a few weeks, he needs to make a statement and drop them. Stevenson for Obita but my only worry is who you drop Hanlon for? Rocky who is prone to errors or Harbottle who I’ll be honest, I know nothing about except he apparently had a good season with Mansfield Town on loan.

Just my opinion.

I don't have issue with most of that other than I think Levitt is best played deeper as a 6. Once he's up to speed he'll be able to control games from there, release the forwards and break forward as appropriate.

Someone, Brightside maybe, used the analogy of a quarterback in American football. I agree with that.

[Hibbyradge]

Sorry to hear you are unwell. Get well soon. :aok:

Cheers.

[ancient hibee]

A common complaint after a defeat is about lack of effort/steel/poor mentality. A number of our players have now played for Ross,Maloney and Johnson. Anyone see a possible connection?

[Since452]

A common complaint after a defeat is about lack of effort/steel/poor mentality. A number of our players have now played for Ross,Maloney and Johnson. Anyone see a possible connection?

There are two players synonymous with mediocrity and multiple manager sackings who continue to get starts. One of them is our captain. If you don't change something you'll keep getting the same results.

[basehibby]

Depending on your take on things people have either been influenced by fans of other teams or seen for themselves him do exactly what he’d been accused of. If most people are prepared to give him a chance he’ll be fine then, comments on here having a go at him aren’t going to matter at all. However, and I know it’s nowhere near an actual representation of the fan base as a whole, I don’t know personally know one single person who likes him and the feeling I get from those who sit near me at ER is they don’t have much time for him either.

It’s not really the words he uses as such that bother me, but I think he tries to make himself look clever and his regular name dropping and boasting I can’t be doing with. Even those at the club were wishing he’d shut up his chat about the City Group.

To you or I as fans yeah I agree what he says is pretty much irrelevant but it’s not irrelevant if the players are thinking that and are unable to follow his instructions, something he’s said has happened in two of the three competitive games we’ve played this season.

All that matters is the team playing good winning football.
Your points raised above are so much moonshine and personally I wish YOU would shut up as from where I'm standing you produce a constant stream of gratuitous negativity that undermines the manager and by extension is damaging to the football club. The recent poll on here demonstrated you are in a minority and yet with all the negativity you stir up any casual observer would think the opposite. We have all got the message that you have an irrational hatred of Lee Johnson. Give it a rest.

[superfurryhibby]

A common complaint after a defeat is about lack of effort/steel/poor mentality. A number of our players have now played for Ross,Maloney and Johnson. Anyone see a possible connection?

You forgot to add the most important element...... their skills.

I don't really buy into lack of steel/effort/mentality.

There is a core group of players, like Newell, Boyle, Hanlon, Stevenson, JDH, Campbell, Doidge, Cadden, who have played under all those managers.

Some are getting too old, possibly too injured, others have never had the ability to do the job we expect.

They are all part of a problem, some might still be part of the solution, but either way that group is largely not going to offer what we need to make third place this season.

[Brightside]

I don't have issue with most of that other than I think Levitt is best played deeper as a 6. Once he's up to speed he'll be able to control games from there, release the forwards and break forward as appropriate.

Someone, Brightside maybe, used the analogy of a quarterback in American football. I agree with that.

Yes - but only against teams that we can control. Its not working yet hence why I think we will end up with a static 6 and two 8s for a while/

[Joe6-2]

Give me Neil Lennon or John Collins, someone who doesn’t need to ask how to reach the required standard.

Sometimes I wonder about Hibs as a professional sports outfit. Is there a reason our players don’t train as hard as Celtic’s?

This was exactly my thoughts when Collins was sacked, don’t care about Celtic, but did the players want any easy life, not willing to sweat a bit for their money!

[Brightside]

There are two players synonymous with mediocrity and multiple manager sackings who continue to get starts. One of them is our captain. If you don't change something you'll keep getting the same results.

Poppycock. Hanlon was better than Fish at the weekend. Should we dump Fish also?

[Brightside]

All that matters is the team playing good winning football.
Your points raised above are so much moonshine and personally I wish YOU would shut up as from where I'm standing you produce a constant stream of gratuitous negativity that undermines the manager and by extension is damaging to the football club. The recent poll on here demonstrated you are in a minority and yet with all the negativity you stir up any casual observer would think the opposite. We have all got the message that you have an irrational hatred of Lee Johnson. Give it a rest.

NOTHING on this forum will ever damage the club.

[babahibs]

I'm pointing out the ludicrous use of the term bullying on here, and yes we lost a youth player recently due to him being actively ignored by senior staff.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's use is ludicrous at all, seems quite appropriate to me.
Did we really have a player who was completely ignored, really? As in totally ignored, not ever acknowledged?
I don't believe that, sorry.

[Centre Hawf]

Poppycock. Hanlon was better than Fish at the weekend. Should we dump Fish also?

I'm an absolute broken record but I get frustrated listening to the same stuff about Stevenson and Hanlon every time we lose. Fish was rank on Sunday and I thought he looked iffy on Thursday as well (not slating him in general as I really liked him last season and was delighted to see him brought back.) But why Hanlon is getting talked about being dropped when for my money he wasn't really involved in any of the goals we conceded is beyond me. Same goes for Lewis on Sunday. I seen nothing from they two specifically that made me worried about them playing still this season.

I was more concerned with how we played overall as a team and some of the individual errors from other departments such as Delferriere for the first, Fish and Campbell for the second, Fish Levitt and perhaps Jeggo and Marshall for the third.

[Brightside]

I'm an absolute broken record but I get frustrated listening to the same stuff about Stevenson and Hanlon every time we lose. Fish was rank on Sunday and I thought he looked iffy on Thursday as well (not slating him in general as I really liked him last season and was delighted to see him brought back.) But why Hanlon is getting talked about being dropped when for my money he wasn't really involved in any of the goals we conceded is beyond me. Same goes for Lewis on Sunday. I seen nothing from they two specifically that made me worried about them playing still this season.

I was more concerned with how we played overall as a team and some of the individual errors from other departments such as Delferriere for the first, Fish and Campbell for the second, Fish Levitt and perhaps Jeggo and Marshall for the third.

Spot on. As a unit we were all over the place. It wasn't about individuals.

[superfurryhibby]

NOTHING on this forum will ever damage the club.

That's a bit of a naïve view.

[Brightside]

I'm pointing out the ludicrous use of the term bullying on here, and yes we lost a youth player recently due to him being actively ignored by senior staff.

I don't think it's use is ludicrous at all, seems quite appropriate to me.
Did we really have a player who was completely ignored, really? As in totally ignored, not ever acknowledged?
I don't believe that, sorry.[/QUOTE]

No one has bullied LJ on this forum, its up there with saying people have an agenda. Huge exaggerations.

[Paulie Walnuts]

All that matters is the team playing good winning football.
Your points raised above are so much moonshine and personally I wish YOU would shut up as from where I'm standing you produce a constant stream of gratuitous negativity that undermines the manager and by extension is damaging to the football club. The recent poll on here demonstrated you are in a minority and yet with all the negativity you stir up any casual observer would think the opposite. We have all got the message that you have an irrational hatred of Lee Johnson. Give it a rest.

The recent poll suggested 92% thought he was doing nothing better than ok. And that was before last weekend. It’s hardly a ringing endorsement of him.

[Since452]

Poppycock. Hanlon was better than Fish at the weekend. Should we dump Fish also?

Fish will continue to improve and will become twice the player Hanlon is. Hanlon was bullied yet again as he has been countless times in a Hibs shirt. If we keep picking Hanlon and Stevenson then LJ will lose his job like all the others. We need better. It's ok though because they won the Scottish cup in 2016. What about all the abject failures they've been part of? 5-1, Malmo, relegation, Ross County final, Finishing behind Falkirk in the championship, St Johnstone final, Andorra and the long long bad runs that always see our managers punted. Honestly you could reel them off. It'll happen again.

[007]

NOTHING on this forum will ever damage the club.

Brian McDermott thinks it can and I reckon he's got more of an insight into it than you do.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363105-Brian-McDermott&p=7409645&viewfull=1#post7409645

https://i.ibb.co/w6jw5zb/Screenshot-20230809-125727-Chrome.jpg (https://ibb.co/kcv9NSr)

[superfurryhibby]

I'm an absolute broken record but I get frustrated listening to the same stuff about Stevenson and Hanlon every time we lose. Fish was rank on Sunday and I thought he looked iffy on Thursday as well (not slating him in general as I really liked him last season and was delighted to see him brought back.) But why Hanlon is getting talked about being dropped when for my money he wasn't really involved in any of the goals we conceded is beyond me. Same goes for Lewis on Sunday. I seen nothing from they two specifically that made me worried about them playing still this season.

I was more concerned with how we played overall as a team and some of the individual errors from other departments such as Delferriere for the first, Fish and Campbell for the second, Fish Levitt and perhaps Jeggo and Marshall for the third.

Lewis was awful on Sunday. |Maybe it was just a bad game, they all have them, but he looked poor. His passing was weak, he never got forward at all from left back and rarely linked the guy in front of him. When he moved to left centre back he was targeted constantly and tbf did well enough competing for the high ball. That said I expect Obita to take his place. We need more energy and drive down the flanks and Lewis is near the end of his Hibs career.

There is a general dissatisfaction with the side and the result on Sunday/away to Inter. Lining up with JDH, Newell and Campbell in midfield says a lot about our failure to recruit effectively to those positions, with Levitt only making the bench.

Hanlon still has a role to play and I don't think he's done at Hibs, but as long as the side keeps slipping to defeats like Sunday, fans will point the finger. The toxic nature of social media will of course add to the scapegoating of two of our greatest servants. One look at our FB page will tell you that.

[Hibbyradge]

NOTHING on this forum will ever damage the club.

I know why you say that, and you're possibly right in terms of direct harm, but I think you're underestimating the power of social media and its ability to influence people's thinking.

When enough people repeat the same simple message, whether it's accurate and fair or the reverse, it becomes taken as fact by more and more. Group think is a powerful phenomenum and there's pressure on individuals to conform.

Fans attitudes and beliefs are then taken into the stadium, the tone is set with supporters waiting for the inevitable to happen.Confirmation bias comes into play as soon as something does go wrong.

There were many voices saying that Campbell had to start on Sunday because he's our only goal threat from midfield. In the event, he was picked, had a stinker, but it was the manager's fault for picking him because "he always gets it wrong".

An even simpler example would be online polls. I remember fairly recently the press picking up on something posted on here and used as the basis of a negative Hibs story.

Had the recent poll about LJ shown a higher level of disapproval, it may well have featured in the MSM.

A "Hibs supporters losing faith in Johnson" story would be consumed by people who don't use social media and they would be influenced by it to someone degree.

Isn't it also true that we lost out on a signing because of it being leaked on here? Something like that, I'm sure.

I'm sure there have been PhDs written about this type of subject which pale my effort above into insignificance. :greengrin

[J-C]

Brian McDermott thinks it can and I reckon he's got more of an insight into it than you do.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363105-Brian-McDermott&p=7409645&viewfull=1#post7409645

https://i.ibb.co/w6jw5zb/Screenshot-20230809-125727-Chrome.jpg (https://ibb.co/kcv9NSr)

Then the 1st thing you tell all players is to stay off social media, surely players aren't that stupid that they'll never be slagged off or spoken about by the fans who pay their wages.

[Brightside]

That's a bit of a naïve view.

You've been on here since 2004, me 2006. Ive seen nothing damaging to the club in that time. Or maybe we are pretty average at the moment due to us slagging the team for 20 years?

[Hibbyradge]

Then the 1st thing you tell all players is to stay off social media, surely players aren't that stupid that they'll never be slagged off or spoken about by the fans who pay their wages.

It's just not realistic to expect players to avoid SM.

They're young men who have been using social media since they were 5. Telling them to stay off might work with a few, but even they have friends and family who will read what's being said and undoubtedly and possibly unthinkingly,pass it on.

[Centre Hawf]

Lewis was awful on Sunday. |Maybe it was just a bad game, they all have them, but he looked poor. His passing was weak, he never got forward at all from left back and rarely linked the guy in front of him. When he moved to left centre back he was targeted constantly and tbf did well enough competing for the high ball. That said I expect Obita to take his place. We need more energy and drive down the flanks and Lewis is near the end of his Hibs career.

There is a general dissatisfaction with the side and the result on Sunday/away to Inter. Lining up with JDH, Newell and Campbell in midfield says a lot about our failure to recruit effectively to those positions, with Levitt only making the bench.

Hanlon still has a role to play and I don't think he's done at Hibs, but as long as the side keeps slipping to defeats like Sunday, fans will point the finger. The toxic nature of social media will of course add to the scapegoating of two of our greatest servants. One look at our FB page will tell you that.

I think these are fair criticisms on Lewis from Saturday. I wouldn't have said he was awful personally but the going forward aspect is probably justified. I'll concede that Obita probably needs to have a run at left back (although I have my concerns on him defensively being able to play that role as well). But I still think if we have to play Lewis until January it wouldn't be the issue some people make out it is.

[WestStandWillie]

I suspect Johnson will never win the fans over.

We could win a cup or go unbeaten against they idiots along the road and he'll still be a marmite manager.

Just the way it is.

[The Hibee Harp]

I'm an absolute broken record but I get frustrated listening to the same stuff about Stevenson and Hanlon every time we lose. Fish was rank on Sunday and I thought he looked iffy on Thursday as well (not slating him in general as I really liked him last season and was delighted to see him brought back.) But why Hanlon is getting talked about being dropped when for my money he wasn't really involved in any of the goals we conceded is beyond me. Same goes for Lewis on Sunday. I seen nothing from they two specifically that made me worried about them playing still this season.

I was more concerned with how we played overall as a team and some of the individual errors from other departments such as Delferriere for the first, Fish and Campbell for the second, Fish Levitt and perhaps Jeggo and Marshall for the third.

Whilst I don't think Hanlon was the worst on Sunday I would argue he was directly/indirectly involved in two of the three goals on Sunday. On the second goal, its Hanlon's underhit and poor pass that puts Campbell in trouble and ultimately leads to the counterattack against us. If you rewatch the third goal (if you can stomach it) Hanlon is hardly bursting a gut to get back and if he had, he would have covered the man at the front post instead of leaving Jeggo with two men (he makes the decision to move to the man at the front post that Hanlon could have got to if he had made the effort, leaving the man behind him with a free header. Yes, there are others culpable too on these goals but Hanlon is not faultless. There is a Hibs analysis account on Twitter that I follow that highlighted St Mirren were targeting Hanlon the whole game on Sunday and we have to concede there is a reason for that.

[Hibbyradge]

Whilst I don't think Hanlon was the worst on Sunday I would argue he was directly/indirectly involved in two of the three goals on Sunday. On the second goal, its Hanlon's underhit and poor pass that puts Campbell in trouble and ultimately leads to the counterattack against us. If you rewatch the third goal (if you can stomach it) Hanlon is hardly bursting a gut to get back and if he had, he would have covered the man at the front post instead of leaving Jeggo with two men (he makes the decision to move to the man at the front post that Hanlon could have got to if he had made the effort, leaving the man behind him with a free header. Yes, there are others culpable too on these goals but Hanlon is not faultless. There is a Hibs analysis account on Twitter that I follow that highlighted St Mirren were targeting Hanlon the whole game on Sunday and we have to concede there is a reason for that.

When any team loses a goal, it's unusual that the fault for it (if any) lies with the striker.

Know what I mean?

[Smartie]

Wrote a bit about the mood around Johnson here (Talking Point section):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian

I agree with every word of that.

Great stuff.

[babahibs]

I don't think it's use is ludicrous at all, seems quite appropriate to me.
Did we really have a player who was completely ignored, really? As in totally ignored, not ever acknowledged?
I don't believe that, sorry.

No one has bullied LJ on this forum, its up there with saying people have an agenda. Huge exaggerations.[/QUOTE]

I think "tantamount to" was the important part you seem to be ignoring.

[Centre Hawf]

Whilst I don't think Hanlon was the worst on Sunday I would argue he was directly/indirectly involved in two of the three goals on Sunday. On the second goal, its Hanlon's underhit and poor pass that puts Campbell in trouble and ultimately leads to the counterattack against us. If you rewatch the third goal (if you can stomach it) Hanlon is hardly bursting a gut to get back and if he had, he would have covered the man at the front post instead of leaving Jeggo with two men (he makes the decision to move to the man at the front post that Hanlon could have got to if he had made the effort, leaving the man behind him with a free header. Yes, there are others culpable too on these goals but Hanlon is not faultless. There is a Hibs analysis account on Twitter that I follow that highlighted St Mirren were targeting Hanlon the whole game on Sunday and we have to concede there is a reason for that.

He might have been targeted but I didn't think they got any real change out of him.

His pass to Campbell is a simple ball into feet that could have been popped off easily or protected better by Campbell rather than being ragdolled.

[Donegal Hibby]

All that matters is the team playing good winning football.
Your points raised above are so much moonshine and personally I wish YOU would shut up as from where I'm standing you produce a constant stream of gratuitous negativity that undermines the manager and by extension is damaging to the football club. The recent poll on here demonstrated you are in a minority and yet with all the negativity you stir up any casual observer would think the opposite. We have all got the message that you have an irrational hatred of Lee Johnson. Give it a rest.
I totally agree with you on the constant negativity and rumours against the manager which some have been stirring since last season . I don't like the way he talks , his clothes , his teeth are to white, he throws players under the bus , he's a rat , snake etc etc . It's just a pure hatred some have and are unfairly at times making accusations about him which suits there own personal agenda against him .

Our last 6 games last season we won 3( Celtic , St mirren , hearts) , drew 2 Aberdeen, hearts away( which we were by far the better team in )and lost 1 . Think we looked good in most of them and showed we were improving. St mirren result was disappointing , more so the performance for 60 minutes or so . I still think we will go on to have a decent season TBH and will be very much in the mix with Aberdeen and hertz for 3rd . Talk of sacking the manager after our first league game of the new season is mental imo .

[SickBoy32]

Fish will continue to improve and will become twice the player Hanlon is. Hanlon was bullied yet again as he has been countless times in a Hibs shirt. If we keep picking Hanlon and Stevenson then LJ will lose his job like all the others. We need better. It's ok though because they won the Scottish cup in 2016. What about all the abject failures they've been part of? 5-1, Malmo, relegation, Ross County final, Finishing behind Falkirk in the championship, St Johnstone final, Andorra and the long long bad runs that always see our managers punted. Honestly you could reel them off. It'll happen again.

Haha a ****ing shocker of a post that like, terrible opinion

[Unseen work]

He might have been targeted but I didn't think they got any real change out of him.

His pass to Campbell is a simple ball into feet that could have been popped off easily or protected better by Campbell rather than being ragdolled.

I’ve said this to a few people, that pass from Hanlon was brutal imo.

Just conceded a goal, he is next to the byline and fish is about 50 yards away from him, and he chips a soft ball into the middle of the park, bouncing right before Campbell is about to take a touch.Campbell actually have to shuffle towards the ball so it ended up at him and not Ohara in the first place.

Especially against St Mirren who you know will be all over it and desperate to nick it off of us

Campbell could have done better, but I just think use your head a bit and see that’s not the ball to play.

Such naive play imo.

[JimBHibees]

I totally agree with you on the constant negativity and rumours against the manager which some have been stirring since last season . I don't like the way he talks , his clothes , his teeth are to white, he throws players under the bus , he's a rat , snake etc etc . It's just a pure hatred some have and are unfairly at times making accusations about him which suits there own personal agenda against him .

Our last 6 games last season we won 3( Celtic , St mirren , hearts) , drew 2 Aberdeen, hearts away( which we were by far the better team in )and lost 1 . Think we looked good in most of them and showed we were improving. St mirren result was disappointing , more so the performance for 60 minutes or so . I still think we will go on to have a decent season TBH and will be very much in the mix with Aberdeen and hertz for 3rd . Talk of sacking the manager after our first league game of the new season is mental imo .

Agree it has been an onslaught and very unfair. Fair enough criticise the job he is doing but the personal stuff is totally out of order

[007]

Then the 1st thing you tell all players is to stay off social media, surely players aren't that stupid that they'll never be slagged off or spoken about by the fans who pay their wages.

The point I was making was that what gets posted on here and other social media can be damaging to the club/players. Based on your response I'm taking it that you are well aware that it can be damaging.

Yes, ideally players wouldn't look and I'm sure all clubs give players guidance but there's only so much a clubs can do in that regard. I can see how players that have grown up in this age of social media would find it extremely difficult to completely avoid it.

[Hibbyradge]

I’ve said this to a few people, that pass from Hanlon was brutal imo.

Just conceded a goal, he is next to the byline and fish is about 50 yards away from him, and he chips a soft ball into the middle of the park, bouncing right before Campbell is about to take a touch.Campbell actually have to shuffle towards the ball so it ended up at him and not Ohara in the first place.

Especially against St Mirren who you know will be all over it and desperate to nick it off of us

Campbell could have done better, but I just think use your head a bit and see that’s not the ball to play.

Such naive play imo.

I'm not sure about that. At the time I was disappointed with Campbell, not Hanlon.

We were being pressed by St Mirren and a crossfield pass to Fish would have put him under pressure as last man. Hanlon was trying to turn defence into attack and Campbell should have had the skill and strength to control the pass and move it on.

[JimBHibees]

I'm not sure about that. At the time I was disappointed with Campbell, not Hanlon.

We were being pressed by St Mirren and a crossfield pass to Fish would have put him under pressure as last man. Hanlon was trying to turn defence into attack and Campbell should have had the skill and strength to control the pass and move it on.

Agree with that Campbell should clearly have dealt with it.

[JeMeSouviens]

I'm not sure about that. At the time I was disappointed with Campbell, not Hanlon.

We were being pressed by St Mirren and a crossfield pass to Fish would have put him under pressure as last man. Hanlon was trying to turn defence into attack and Campbell should have had the skill and strength to control the pass and move it on.

I like Campbell, he knocks his pan in and is building a knack for the Pat McGinlay-esque run. But Xavi or Iniesta, he is not. Sometimes safety first is a better bet. Whether it's Hanlon's decision making or the coach's instructions, who knows? But I think our problems are often trying to play in a style we just don't have enough players of the required quality for.

[basehibby]

The recent poll suggested 92% thought he was doing nothing better than ok. And that was before last weekend. It’s hardly a ringing endorsement of him.
Only 11% wanted rid
About 20% indicated they would not be bothered if he went
About 10% are big fans
The remaining 59% - of which I am part - think he's doing OK and WANT TO SEE HIM GIVEN A CHANCE.
So - that seems to be where you alo g with the likes of Jeffers and Brightside differ with the majority - you don't want to give LJ a chance. Well we get the message but the majority think you are full 9f it. Do YOU get the message now???

[Brightside]

It's just not realistic to expect players to avoid SM.

They're young men who have been using social media since they were 5. Telling them to stay off might work with a few, but even they have friends and family who will read what's being said and undoubtedly and possibly unthinkingly,pass it on.

This forum is not social media though. I've chatted to a fair few players over the years and you will really struggle to find anyone who goes onto fans forum. (Expect when they are looking at new teams). LJ is simply not coming on to .net to find out if HibbyRadge is saying nice things.

[Hibees1973]

This forum is not social media though. I've chatted to a fair few players over the years and you will really struggle to find anyone who goes onto fans forum. (Expect when they are looking at new teams). LJ is simply not coming on to .net to find out if HibbyRadge is saying nice things.

Suspect you are right.

If he did come on and created an account you do wonder what his title name would be.

1. The red arrow
2. Mr 99 problem solver

....so many options.

[Hibbyradge]

This forum is not social media though. I've chatted to a fair few players over the years and you will really struggle to find anyone who goes onto fans forum. (Expect when they are looking at new teams). LJ is simply not coming on to .net to find out if HibbyRadge is saying nice things.

1. Hibs.net most certainly is a Social Media outlet, and an influential one at that.

2. I never said anything about the manager or players reading the forum.

[Hibbyradge]

Suspect you are right.

If he did come on and created an account you do wonder what his title name would be.

1. The red arrow
2. Mr 99 problem solver

....so many options.

Maybe he'd call himself the owner's manager.

[Brightside]

For the record I think he will be still be here end of season. Too much investment building "his team" for us to chuck that away again.

[Unseen work]

I'm not sure about that. At the time I was disappointed with Campbell, not Hanlon.

We were being pressed by St Mirren and a crossfield pass to Fish would have put him under pressure as last man. Hanlon was trying to turn defence into attack and Campbell should have had the skill and strength to control the pass and move it on.

I don’t mean he should have passed it to Fish, more that he’s playing a risky pass to Campbell when the shape of the team was wide open.

I doubt many midfielders would have a soft ball chipped into them and bouncing right before they take a touch whilst having an opposition midfielder right next to them. All on the edge of the centre circle.

[Hibbyradge]

I don’t mean he should have passed it to Fish, more that he’s playing a risky pass to Campbell when the shape of the team was wide open.

I doubt many midfielders would have a soft ball chipped into them and bouncing right before they take a touch whilst having an opposition midfielder right next to them. All on the edge of the centre circle.

So another hoof up the park? :dunno:

That would have avoided the error by Campbell right enough.

However, Josh showed for the ball, got it, but failed to control it. That was the mistake, imo.

[MrSmith]

Suspect you are right.

If he did come on and created an account you do wonder what his title name would be.

1. The red arrow
2. Mr 99 problem solver

....so many options.

He would be the Sphinx from the movie Mystery Men.

The Sphinx: We are number one. All others are number two, or lower.
The Sphinx: He who questions training only trains himself at asking questions.
The Sphinx: When you can balance a tack hammer on your head, you will head off your foes with a balanced attack.
The Sphinx: You must lash out with every limb, like the octopus who plays the drums.
The Sphinx: When you care what is outside, what is inside cares for you.
The Sphinx: You must be like wolf pack, not six-pack.
The Sphinx: You dress in the manner of a male prostitute!
The Sphinx: To learn my teachings, I must first teach you how to learn.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0132347/characters/nm0836071

[Hibees1973]

He would be the Sphinx from the movie Mystery Men.

The Sphinx: We are number one. All others are number two, or lower.
The Sphinx: He who questions training only trains himself at asking questions.
The Sphinx: When you can balance a tack hammer on your head, you will head off your foes with a balanced attack.
The Sphinx: You must lash out with every limb, like the octopus who plays the drums.
The Sphinx: When you care what is outside, what is inside cares for you.
The Sphinx: You must be like wolf pack, not six-pack.
The Sphinx: You dress in the manner of a male prostitute!
The Sphinx: To learn my teachings, I must first teach you how to learn.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0132347/characters/nm0836071




:wink:

[Brightside]

1. Hibs.net most certainly is a Social Media outlet, and an influential one at that.

2. I never said anything about the manager or players reading the forum.

OK - on the first one please explain to me in which way you think this is an influential outlet. Are you suggesting that people read here and then repost the same idea on Twitter etc (an actual social media outlet).

If so you'll find its mainly the other way round these days. Forums are a massively dying breed. This is just a bunch of old codgers blethering. We may as well be in the back bar of the Hibs club.

[Since452]

We've scored nine goals in two games (Doidge goal should have stood). That's entertainment. Johnson in.

[Donegal Hibby]

Agree it has been an onslaught and very unfair. Fair enough criticise the job he is doing but the personal stuff is totally out of order
I don't mind fans being critical after a bad result , they are quite right too though some of the personal stuff that's been said about the manager has been really unpleasant and nasty on here by some and I find it very disappointing some fellow Hibs fans would react like this TBH. No need for it imo .

[keep the faith]

I totally agree with you on the constant negativity and rumours against the manager which some have been stirring since last season . I don't like the way he talks , his clothes , his teeth are to white, he throws players under the bus , he's a rat , snake etc etc . It's just a pure hatred some have and are unfairly at times making accusations about him which suits there own personal agenda against him .

Our last 6 games last season we won 3( Celtic , St mirren , hearts) , drew 2 Aberdeen, hearts away( which we were by far the better team in )and lost 1 . Think we looked good in most of them and showed we were improving. St mirren result was disappointing , more so the performance for 60 minutes or so . I still think we will go on to have a decent season TBH and will be very much in the mix with Aberdeen and hertz for 3rd . Talk of sacking the manager after our first league game of the new season is mental imo .

Thanks Donegal. I have written similar many times then quit the post,as I know how it will pan out.
It's two fold for me - firstly, I'm comfortable with how we are progressing until LJ. He is dealing with years of really poor signings. Many needing paid off, several not prepared to leave. I think a couple are on him (mckirdy for one) but deep down everyone knows the previous signing strategy was not manager driven. The flashes we see from the current team tell you we are going in the right direction and when boyle, ALF, Levitt etc start to settle we are going to be good to watch. It's not perfect, but he is trying to get us to play in a fast, attractive way. We have to be patient enough as supporters to stay cool, understand the reality and let things gel. The reaction to being a goal down at half time in a two leg early early season euto tie was absolutely wild IMO.
We were awful in the first half on sun, but you know what, we regrouped and had a real go. Give me that over a jack ross ultra safe, unadventurous draw or one nil defeat any day.
Secondly, the stick given to LJ is so uncool and,honestly, not on. Its miles below us. I love difference anywhere and especially at hibs. I'm not interested in the sportsound agenda where its jobs for the mates and clichés. LJ speaks passionately and clearly is a bit of a football geek. So what! I want a student of the game in charge. The comments on his clothes, size and way of speaking are cringey and not on. I will never forget a well known poster on here calling him a gimp. Really???
Anyway, there is always an alternative view here and this is mine. I think we will bring in more before the deadline and quite honestly, I think we will also get third.
KTF

[Hibbyradge]

OK - on the first one please explain to me in which way you think this is an influential outlet. Are you suggesting that people read here and then repost the same idea on Twitter etc (an actual social media outlet).

If so you'll find its mainly the other way round these days. Forums are a massively dying breed. This is just a bunch of old codgers blethering. We may as well be in the back bar of the Hibs club.

I genuinely think you underestimate Hibs.net.

When people read anything they are influenced by people's opinions and the points made. The strength with which they are made, the way they're made and the frequency.

Just think about how many "FACTS" there are in Hibs circles which started out on here as either speculation, mischief or vindictiveness.

People read things on here, repeat it to their mates, and it becomes fact. That affects the way they see Hibs and their attitude to the club and its personnel.

I don't know how many readers hibs.net has but it's certainly recognised as an influential and important fan website by Hibs.

I'm not going to repost what I said before about Groupthink and confirmation bias, but they obviously apply.

[Since452]

Thanks Donegal. I have written similar many times then quit the post,as I know how it will pan out.
It's two fold for me - firstly, I'm comfortable with how we are progressing until LJ. He is dealing with years of really poor signings. Many needing paid off, several not prepared to leave. I think a couple are on him (mckirdy for one) but deep down everyone knows the previous signing strategy was not manager driven. The flashes we see from the current team tell you we are going in the right direction and when boyle, ALF, Levitt etc start to settle we are going to be good to watch. It's not perfect, but he is trying to get us to play in a fast, attractive way. We have to be patient enough as supporters to stay cool, understand the reality and let things gel. The reaction to being a goal down at half time in a two leg early early season euto tie was absolutely wild IMO.
We were awful in the first half on sun, but you know what, we regrouped and had a real go. Give me that over a jack ross ultra safe, unadventurous draw or one nil defeat any day.
Secondly, the stick given to LJ is so uncool and,honestly, not on. Its miles below us. I love difference anywhere and especially at hibs. I'm not interested in the sportsound agenda where its jobs for the mates and clichés. LJ speaks passionately and clearly is a bit of a football geek. So what! I want a student of the game in charge. The comments on his clothes, size and way of speaking are cringey and not on. I will never forget a well known poster on here calling him a gimp. Really???
Anyway, there is always an alternative view here and this is mine. I think we will bring in more before the deadline and quite honestly, I think we will also get third.
KTF

Fantastic post :top marks

[bordergreen]

Fantastic post :top marks

Whilst I agree with you on the comments about Lee’s clothes and size being ridiculous, the way he communicates definitely is ok to comment on. Some of the things he says are bizarre. (If you want examples, check this thread for the many already supplied).

If fans are left scratching their heads thinking what is this guy talking about, do you think that may translate into how he gets a game plan across to the players. Most people’s issue, reading what has been posted, is none of the above. It is more about his team selections and playing people out of position.

Do I personally think he is a slaver, yes. Do I feel he is a good manager, no. It is not bullying. I am a Hibs fan, I don’t think he is the man for the job. I have no agenda, and have not voiced my concerns about the manager, which I have had since he was appointed, until recently. I just don’t see him getting us playing consistently well. I will be happy to be proven wrong, as at the end of the day, we all love Hibs. I just don’t see it.

[jeffers]

I genuinely think you underestimate Hibs.net.

When people read anything they are influenced by people's opinions and the points made. The strength with which they are made, the way they're made and the frequency.

Just think about how many "FACTS" there are in Hibs circles which started out on here as either speculation, mischief or vindictiveness.

People read things on here, repeat it to their mates, and it becomes fact. That affects the way they see Hibs and their attitude to the club and its personnel.

I don't know how many readers hibs.net has but it's certainly recognised as an influential and important fan website by Hibs.

I'm not going to repost what I said before about Groupthink and confirmation bias, but they obviously apply.

Are people not then as likely to form a positive take on the club based on what they read on here ? And given I’m often told my opinion of Johnson is one that’s shared by a minority surely the balance would lean towards support for him ?

I think the majority will form their opinion of any manager based on what they see for themselves rather than because people post their thoughts on an internet forum and believe it or not getting everyone to follow my way of thinking isn’t my objective. I resent the implication that I make things up because of some so called agenda, but if folk want to disagree with my opinions then that’s absolutely their right. However all I’m doing is I’m posting my thoughts as well as things I’ve been told, but I’d want everyone to form their own opinion. I have no end game, my thoughts on a manager whether they be good or bad are irrelevant in the scheme of things, as are the vast majority of posts on here.

What will ultimately decide people, and it’s how it should be, is what happens on the pitch. The rest of it for me are just people (spending too much time, myself included) chatting about various aspects of the club we all love.

[Greenio]

Thanks Donegal. I have written similar many times then quit the post,as I know how it will pan out.
It's two fold for me - firstly, I'm comfortable with how we are progressing until LJ. He is dealing with years of really poor signings. Many needing paid off, several not prepared to leave. I think a couple are on him (mckirdy for one) but deep down everyone knows the previous signing strategy was not manager driven. The flashes we see from the current team tell you we are going in the right direction and when boyle, ALF, Levitt etc start to settle we are going to be good to watch. It's not perfect, but he is trying to get us to play in a fast, attractive way. We have to be patient enough as supporters to stay cool, understand the reality and let things gel. The reaction to being a goal down at half time in a two leg early early season euto tie was absolutely wild IMO.
We were awful in the first half on sun, but you know what, we regrouped and had a real go. Give me that over a jack ross ultra safe, unadventurous draw or one nil defeat any day.
Secondly, the stick given to LJ is so uncool and,honestly, not on. Its miles below us. I love difference anywhere and especially at hibs. I'm not interested in the sportsound agenda where its jobs for the mates and clichés. LJ speaks passionately and clearly is a bit of a football geek. So what! I want a student of the game in charge. The comments on his clothes, size and way of speaking are cringey and not on. I will never forget a well known poster on here calling him a gimp. Really???
Anyway, there is always an alternative view here and this is mine. I think we will bring in more before the deadline and quite honestly, I think we will also get third.
KTF

Spot. On.

Sack a manager after 1st game of the season?! How does anyone think that's a good idea is waaaay beyond me. I swear there are some marron ***** stirrers round these parts!

[GreenGray]

Spot. On.

Sack a manager after 1st game of the season?! How does anyone think that's a good idea is waaaay beyond me. I swear there are some marron ***** stirrers round these parts!

We are three games in, and certainly wouldn’t be the first team to do it.

It’s also not an immediate reaction, he’s now had three transfer windows and I’m yet to see much improvement other than the occasional game.


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[The Hibee Harp]

He might have been targeted but I didn't think they got any real change out of him.

His pass to Campbell is a simple ball into feet that could have been popped off easily or protected better by Campbell rather than being ragdolled.

I was the same at the time. I didn’t apportion any blame to Hanlon and focussed on Campbell, but watching it back it’s clear (to me anyway ��) Hanlon can play simpler balls to the feet of Fish, Newell and Stevenson. He attempts to chips it into the feet of Campbell but underhits the pass, forcing Campbell back towards our half and allowing O’Hara to close him down before dispossessing him.

Hopefully, this works.
Hanlon plays pass with other options available
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Pass is short forcing Campbell back towards half way - note the gap to O’Hara.
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The undershot pass allows O’Hara to be on Campbell at the point he attempts to get it under control
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[superfurryhibby]

We are three games in, and certainly wouldn’t be the first team to do it.

It’s also not an immediate reaction, he’s now had three transfer windows and I’m yet to see much improvement other than the occasional game.


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I would remind you that this window has another three + weeks before it closes.

[Greenio]

We are three games in, and certainly wouldn’t be the first team to do it.

It’s also not an immediate reaction, he’s now had three transfer windows and I’m yet to see much improvement other than the occasional game.


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Who's sacked their manager after the first game of a new season?

I doubt he had last summers window at all.

This one, yes

[GreenGray]

Who's sacked their manager after the first game of a new season?

I doubt he had last summers window at all.

This one, yes

Motherwell last season, Palace have sacked after 4 games before, Wolves have just sacked before the season has even started. I’m sure there are countless other examples, we certainly wouldn’t be the first.

He was happy to wax lyrical about every singing made last summer anyway.


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[superfurryhibby]

Who's sacked their manager after the first game of a new season?

I doubt he had last summers window at all.

This one, yes

The last window, who really knows who influenced which signings. That said, it was a pretty dire window and my tendency is to think that there were players signed that Johnson had no input on. Even the likes of Tavares where he said he had been aware of him for some time. Managers say things, toe the club line etc, all the time, but who really knows

However, undoing the mess, the long contracts offered to guys like JDH, Doidge, (prior to LJ) or those sitting with Melkersen, Kenneh, Tavares etc, it's going to be a work in progress

[Paulie Walnuts]

We are three games in, and certainly wouldn’t be the first team to do it.

It’s also not an immediate reaction, he’s now had three transfer windows and I’m yet to see much improvement other than the occasional game.


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:agree:

The idea that we’d be sacking him after the first game of the season is firstly completely incorrect, but it’s also completely disingenuous to fail to point out that people who want that likely also didn’t hold him in high regard after last season.

[MrSmith]

:agree:

The idea that we’d be sacking him after the first game of the season is firstly completely incorrect, but it’s also completely disingenuous to fail to point out that people who want that likely also didn’t hold him in high regard after last season.

I like the guy but have little to no confidence in his ability to manage Hibs. Sorry.

[Brightside]

I was the same at the time. I didn’t apportion any blame to Hanlon and focussed on Campbell, but watching it back it’s clear (to me anyway ��) Hanlon can play simpler balls to the feet of Fish, Newell and Stevenson. He attempts to chips it into the feet of Campbell but underhits the pass, forcing Campbell back towards our half and allowing O’Hara to close him down before dispossessing him.

Hopefully, this works.
Hanlon plays pass with other options available
27105
Pass is short forcing Campbell back towards half way - note the gap to O’Hara.
27104
The undershot pass allows O’Hara to be on Campbell at the point he attempts to get it under control
27106

Is this not us trying to be more dynamic? Get it forward earlier. Its doesn't always work but its clear its a way LJ wants to play.

[Brightside]

I genuinely think you underestimate Hibs.net.

When people read anything they are influenced by people's opinions and the points made. The strength with which they are made, the way they're made and the frequency.

Just think about how many "FACTS" there are in Hibs circles which started out on here as either speculation, mischief or vindictiveness.

People read things on here, repeat it to their mates, and it becomes fact. That affects the way they see Hibs and their attitude to the club and its personnel.

I don't know how many readers hibs.net has but it's certainly recognised as an influential and important fan website by Hibs.

I'm not going to repost what I said before about Groupthink and confirmation bias, but they obviously apply.

Maybe I do but I know there are far more people having these discussions away from .net.

[007]

OK - on the first one please explain to me in which way you think this is an influential outlet. Are you suggesting that people read here and then repost the same idea on Twitter etc (an actual social media outlet).

If so you'll find its mainly the other way round these days. Forums are a massively dying breed. This is just a bunch of old codgers blethering. We may as well be in the back bar of the Hibs club.

In what way is Hibs.net not social media? (Not being an app doesn't cover it).

If I want to see other teams' fans' discussions I'll go go to their forum. There is very little in the way of sensible football discussions on Twitter.

[greenlex]

In what way is Hibs.net not social media? (Not being an app doesn't cover it).

If I want to see other teams' fans' discussions I'll go go to their forum. There is very little in the way of sensible football discussions on Twitter.

To be fair the sensible football conversations on here are rare too.

[Hibbyradge]

Maybe I do but I know there are far more people having these discussions away from .net.

I was with 6 other folk on Sunday. None of them posted on hibs.net and none of them mentioned either sacking LJ or criticised his interviews. They just talked about what the team needed and that we were unlucky not to take something from the game in the end.

[BoomtownHibees]

I was with 6 other folk on Sunday. None of them posted on hibs.net and none of them mentioned either sacking LJ or criticised his interviews. They just talked about what the team needed and that we were unlucky not to take something from the game in the end.

No chat around how ***** we were for 3 quarters of the game?

[Hibbyradge]

No chat around how ***** we were for 3 quarters of the game?

Aye, half time wasn't the cheeriest.

But we had free pies and coffee to ease the pain.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

The big talking point in my circle was how Johnson got his selection / tactics wrong (again)

[Donegal Hibby]

Thanks Donegal. I have written similar many times then quit the post,as I know how it will pan out.
It's two fold for me - firstly, I'm comfortable with how we are progressing until LJ. He is dealing with years of really poor signings. Many needing paid off, several not prepared to leave. I think a couple are on him (mckirdy for one) but deep down everyone knows the previous signing strategy was not manager driven. The flashes we see from the current team tell you we are going in the right direction and when boyle, ALF, Levitt etc start to settle we are going to be good to watch. It's not perfect, but he is trying to get us to play in a fast, attractive way. We have to be patient enough as supporters to stay cool, understand the reality and let things gel. The reaction to being a goal down at half time in a two leg early early season euto tie was absolutely wild IMO.
We were awful in the first half on sun, but you know what, we regrouped and had a real go. Give me that over a jack ross ultra safe, unadventurous draw or one nil defeat any day.
Secondly, the stick given to LJ is so uncool and,honestly, not on. Its miles below us. I love difference anywhere and especially at hibs. I'm not interested in the sportsound agenda where its jobs for the mates and clichés. LJ speaks passionately and clearly is a bit of a football geek. So what! I want a student of the game in charge. The comments on his clothes, size and way of speaking are cringey and not on. I will never forget a well known poster on here calling him a gimp. Really???
Anyway, there is always an alternative view here and this is mine. I think we will bring in more before the deadline and quite honestly, I think we will also get third.
KTF
Excellent post mate. :top marks which is spot on :aok:

[Stuart93]

The big talking point in my circle was how Johnson got his selection / tactics wrong (again)

Tactics? Shelling the ball to a target man surely can’t be tactics

[greenlex]

Tactics? Shelling the ball to a target man surely can’t be tactics

Of course it is and why not? Johnson has said that was the play after we were two down.
We got back square using it.

[B.H.F.C]

Of course it is and why not? Johnson has said that was the play after we were two down.
We got back square using it.

We got back in to it when we bothered to string a few passes together rather than just launch it in the general direction of Doidge.

[Willis1875]

Thanks Donegal. I have written similar many times then quit the post,as I know how it will pan out.
It's two fold for me - firstly, I'm comfortable with how we are progressing until LJ. He is dealing with years of really poor signings. Many needing paid off, several not prepared to leave. I think a couple are on him (mckirdy for one) but deep down everyone knows the previous signing strategy was not manager driven. The flashes we see from the current team tell you we are going in the right direction and when boyle, ALF, Levitt etc start to settle we are going to be good to watch. It's not perfect, but he is trying to get us to play in a fast, attractive way. We have to be patient enough as supporters to stay cool, understand the reality and let things gel. The reaction to being a goal down at half time in a two leg early early season euto tie was absolutely wild IMO.
We were awful in the first half on sun, but you know what, we regrouped and had a real go. Give me that over a jack ross ultra safe, unadventurous draw or one nil defeat any day.
Secondly, the stick given to LJ is so uncool and,honestly, not on. Its miles below us. I love difference anywhere and especially at hibs. I'm not interested in the sportsound agenda where its jobs for the mates and clichés. LJ speaks passionately and clearly is a bit of a football geek. So what! I want a student of the game in charge. The comments on his clothes, size and way of speaking are cringey and not on. I will never forget a well known poster on here calling him a gimp. Really???
Anyway, there is always an alternative view here and this is mine. I think we will bring in more before the deadline and quite honestly, I think we will also get third.
KTF

It's not perfect, but he is trying to get us to play in a fast, attractive way.

I’m glad you can see this,I haven’t got a scooby doo what we are trying to do from one week to the next

[babahibs]

I was the same at the time. I didn’t apportion any blame to Hanlon and focussed on Campbell, but watching it back it’s clear (to me anyway ��) Hanlon can play simpler balls to the feet of Fish, Newell and Stevenson. He attempts to chips it into the feet of Campbell but underhits the pass, forcing Campbell back towards our half and allowing O’Hara to close him down before dispossessing him.

Hopefully, this works.
Hanlon plays pass with other options available
27105
Pass is short forcing Campbell back towards half way - note the gap to O’Hara.
27104
The undershot pass allows O’Hara to be on Campbell at the point he attempts to get it under control
27106

This kinda proves it was an ok pass that Campbell fails to control properly, if he controls it on the turn, we have a good attack on.

[J-C]

Of course it is and why not? Johnson has said that was the play after we were two down.
We got back square using it.


We got back into it with a counter attack move by ALF and Doidge, zero lump up the park, in fact it was a very well worked move, the 2nd was good play down the left and a good cross by Obita into the box, again not a lump up the park.

[The Hibee Harp]

This kinda proves it was an ok pass that Campbell fails to control properly, if he controls it on the turn, we have a good attack on.

I’d disagree. If it was a good pass it would’ve been played into Campbell’s feet going forward and away from O’Hara. What happened is that it was short and Campbell had to go back for it to reach him allowing O’Hara to steal. Just my opinion though!

[The Hibee Harp]

Is this not us trying to be more dynamic? Get it forward earlier. Its doesn't always work but its clear its a way LJ wants to play.

It could be and perhaps Johnson does want us to get the ball forward quicker. I think we can agree it was poorly executed though.

[greenlex]

We got back into it with a counter attack move by ALF and Doidge, zero lump up the park, in fact it was a very well worked move, the 2nd was good play down the left and a good cross by Obita into the box, again not a lump up the park.

That’s how the goals came but Johnson said he went more direct deliberately at two down. The personnel change and tactic was for more direct football.,

[greenlex]

We got back in to it when we bothered to string a few passes together rather than just launch it in the general direction of Doidge.

See above.

[Hibbyradge]

I’d disagree. If it was a good pass it would’ve been played into Campbell’s feet going forward and away from O’Hara. What happened is that it was short and Campbell had to go back for it to reach him allowing O’Hara to steal. Just my opinion though!

Players have to show for the ball. How often have you heard "help him" shouted? That's what it means. The pass can't always be in front of our players.

Campbell was supposed to come back, taking the St Mirren player with him, release the ball to Newell or similar who would have had a wide open space to pass into.

[J-C]

That’s how the goals came but Johnson said he went more direct deliberately at two down. The personnel change and tactic was for more direct football.,

He changed it on 25 minutes, we didn't get back into it until ALF came on and we went 2 up top, so his big lump up to Doidge wasn't working.

[WhileTheChief..]

Agree it has been an onslaught and very unfair. Fair enough criticise the job he is doing but the personal stuff is totally out of order

Doesn't that fact that so many posters on here share the same views about LJ kinda show that there is NO AGENDA against him.

It's everyone's own individual thoughts.

Just because you happen to disagree doesn't make the rest of us wrong.

Do you really believe that there isn't someone out there that Hibs could get , that could do a better job than LJ? Think about it for a minute. You're saying he is the only / best man for us right now?

A lot of us disagree with that view. None of us are accusing you or anyone else of having an agenda.

The teeth whitening comment was clearly a joke btw, don't fall for the BS bering spouted.

[blackpoolhibs]

NOTHING on this forum will ever damage the club.

Nah, dont believe that for one minute, it's sites like this one along with others from facebook and twitter and the likes who spread misery to others, and that spreads to the stands.

The i want it yesterday brigade as i call them.

[007]

Nah, dont believe that for one minute, it's sites like this one along with others from facebook and twitter and the likes who spread misery to others, and that spreads to the stands.

The i want it yesterday brigade as i call them.

I call them the Dementors and the Twitter ones are Dementor Bots.

[Brightside]

I was with 6 other folk on Sunday. None of them posted on hibs.net and none of them mentioned either sacking LJ or criticised his interviews. They just talked about what the team needed and that we were unlucky not to take something from the game in the end.

It was pretty much anyone was talking about in the Albion and none of them are on .net.

[B.H.F.C]

That’s how the goals came but Johnson said he went more direct deliberately at two down. The personnel change and tactic was for more direct football.,

I know he said it but the direct tactic didn’t work. Getting two up top and keeping the ball on the ground did.

[Brightside]

In what way is Hibs.net not social media? (Not being an app doesn't cover it).

If I want to see other teams' fans' discussions I'll go go to their forum. There is very little in the way of sensible football discussions on Twitter.

A forum is a platform for discussion and the exchange of ideas, typically organized around a specific topic or theme. Users can post messages and reply to each other's posts. Social media, on the other hand, is a platform for connecting and communicating with people.

But my main point is a few hundred people chatting on here has no effect on the club. There was 100s in the Albion having the same discussion and plenty more in every other post game pub. Those discussion are not influenced by Hibs.net.

[greenlex]

He changed it on 25 minutes, we didn't get back into it until ALF came on and we went 2 up top, so his big lump up to Doidge wasn't working.
Agreed but two up top to feed off the long ball to Doidge. It wasn’t ever going to work with just him up there. Yes the goals came differently but that was still the tactic even with ALF on the park. Arguably the tactic cost us s point in the end as a long ball straight to the keeper set up their winner with us going for the winner with the long ball.

[007]

It was pretty much anyone was talking about in the Albion and none of them are on .net.

So you're the guy that was loitering about earwigging on everyone's conversations. 🤔

[Basildon Hibs]

Excellent post mate. :top marks which is spot on :aok:

😲🤣🤣🤣

[Donegal Hibby]

😲🤣🤣🤣
Excellent post go over your head then ?:faf:

[Basildon Hibs]

Excellent post go over your head then ?:faf:

Nope. It was a load of rubbish.

LJ is a slavering clown - shouldn't be anywhere near our club. Yet folk try and disect what he does and stick up for him.

He's an ********.

🤣🤣😉

[007]

A forum is a platform for discussion and the exchange of ideas, typically organized around a specific topic or theme. Users can post messages and reply to each other's posts. Social media, on the other hand, is a platform for connecting and communicating with people.

But my main point is a few hundred people chatting on here has no effect on the club. There was 100s in the Albion having the same discussion and plenty more in every other post game pub. Those discussion are not influenced by Hibs.net.

You've lifted that from Quora but changed "social network" to "social media".

https://i.ibb.co/6tsq4Wh/Screenshot-20230809-193219.jpg (https://ibb.co/rpyXZwP)

The search I did got loads of responses saying an online forum is a type of social media and you can see from the Wikipedia one it has social networks included, along with forums, as one of the many different forms of social media. Care to clarify why you felt the need to amend "social network" to "social media"?

https://i.ibb.co/9w18jXs/Screenshot-20230809-194636.jpg (https://ibb.co/N1JVzhZ)

[Brightside]

You've lifted that from Quora but changed "social network" to "social media".

https://i.ibb.co/6tsq4Wh/Screenshot-20230809-193219.jpg (https://ibb.co/rpyXZwP)

The search I did got loads of responses saying an online forum is a type of social media and you can see from the Wikipedia one it has social networks included, along with forums, as one of the many different forms of social media. Care to clarify why you felt the need to amend "social network" to "social media"?

https://i.ibb.co/9w18jXs/Screenshot-20230809-194636.jpg (https://ibb.co/N1JVzhZ)

To fit my narrative clearly Mr Bond.

[babahibs]

I’d disagree. If it was a good pass it would’ve been played into Campbell’s feet going forward and away from O’Hara. What happened is that it was short and Campbell had to go back for it to reach him allowing O’Hara to steal. Just my opinion though!

Hanlon passed to Campbell, it might not have been a perfect 100% on a sixpence Messi pass, but it's not a video game.
He passed to Campbell, Campbell received the ball, it's now Campbells job to control it, he failed and lost the ball.
Gimme strength...

[WhileTheChief..]

Nope. It was a load of rubbish.

LJ is a slavering clown - shouldn't be anywhere near our club. Yet folk try and disect what he does and stick up for him.

He's an ********.

🤣🤣😉

:top marks

Imagine what would happen if LJ decided to leave for a bigger and better job?

We'd be totally lost without him. Apparently he's the only man for us.

[Donegal Hibby]

Nope. It was a load of rubbish.

LJ is a slavering clown - shouldn't be anywhere near our club. Yet folk try and disect what he does and stick up for him.

He's an ********.

🤣🤣😉
I thought it was a well thought out post that I totally agree with , much better than the negative ones with the childish name calling which contribute absolutely nothing tbh :wink:

[babahibs]

:top marks

Imagine what would happen if LJ decided to leave for a bigger and better job?

We'd be totally lost without him. Apparently he's the only man for us.

I may be wrong but nobody is claiming that

[Hibbyradge]

You've lifted that from Quora but changed "social network" to "social media".

https://i.ibb.co/6tsq4Wh/Screenshot-20230809-193219.jpg (https://ibb.co/rpyXZwP)

The search I did got loads of responses saying an online forum is a type of social media and you can see from the Wikipedia one it has social networks included, along with forums, as one of the many different forms of social media. Care to clarify why you felt the need to amend "social network" to "social media"?

https://i.ibb.co/9w18jXs/Screenshot-20230809-194636.jpg (https://ibb.co/N1JVzhZ)

No way?

That has echoes of the time an old friend of mine, Sergey, remember him?, posted a photo of a large piece of meat and said that he'd just taken "this little beauty" out of his smoker.

Someone checked and found that it was, in fact, a stock photo from a butchers or something like that.

Highly embarrassing, but in Sergey's defence, he was just telling a porkie to impress people. He wasn't falsifying quotes because he didn't want to concede a point or lose an extremely minor argument on a social media site.

[007]

To fit my narrative clearly Mr Bond.

👍 Well at least you can admit to it but only once presented with incontrovertible evidence. 😀

[007]

:top marks

Imagine what would happen if LJ decided to leave for a bigger and better job?

We'd be totally lost without him. Apparently he's the only man for us.

https://i.ibb.co/nBTJsvC/images-7.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[babahibs]

I thought it was a well thought out post that I totally agree with , much better than the negative ones with the childish name calling which contribute absolutely nothing tbh :wink:

Well said Donegal.

[babahibs]

No way?

That has echoes of the time an old friend of mine, Sergey, remember him?, posted a photo of a large piece of meat and said that he'd just taken "this little beauty" out of his smoker.

Someone checked and found that it was, in fact, a stock photo from a butchers or something like that.

Highly embarrassing, but in Sergey's defence, he was just telling a porkie to impress people. He wasn't falsifying quotes because he didn't want to concede a point or lose an extremely minor argument on a social media site.

:tee hee:

[WhileTheChief..]

I may be wrong but nobody is claiming that

It's hard to tell going by some posts!

But ok, if we agree that there is someone better out there for the Hibs job, what's so wrong with a lot of us wanting to make the change?

[WhileTheChief..]

https://i.ibb.co/nBTJsvC/images-7.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

How would you feel if LJ left us for a club down south next week?

[Silky]

Nope. It was a load of rubbish.

LJ is a slavering clown - shouldn't be anywhere near our club. Yet folk try and disect what he does and stick up for him.

He's an ********.

🤣🤣😉

There are plenty of slavering clowns on Hibs.net as well. There are also, funnily enough, folk who try and direct what they say and stick up for them. They shouldn't be anywhere near the site, imo, but they are, so cest la vie.😜🤣

[The Hibee Harp]

Hanlon passed to Campbell, it might not have been a perfect 100% on a sixpence Messi pass, but it's not a video game.
He passed to Campbell, Campbell received the ball, it's now Campbells job to control it, he failed and lost the ball.
Gimme strength...

Campbell 100% should’ve done better and it was he alone that lost possession but that doesn’t change the fact it was an awful pass in the first place.

[jakeshibs]

Nah, dont believe that for one minute, it's sites like this one along with others from facebook and twitter and the likes who spread misery to others, and that spreads to the stands.

The i want it yesterday brigade as i call them.
well said

[The Hibee Harp]

Players have to show for the ball. How often have you heard "help him" shouted? That's what it means. The pass can't always be in front of our players.

Campbell was supposed to come back, taking the St Mirren player with him, release the ball to Newell or similar who would have had a wide open space to pass into.

That’s your interpretation of it. My view is that Campbell was looking to go forward, St Mirren target Hanlon, pressed him, he panicked and played a poor pass into the middle. Should Campbell have done better 100%. Should Campbell have retained possession 100%. Yes, players have to come short and show for the ball and that’s what Newell and Stevenson were doing. Watch the goal again and Hanlon basically plays the ball into the area O’Hara is in and not where Campbell is.

[babahibs]

It's hard to tell going by some posts!

But ok, if we agree that there is someone better out there for the Hibs job, what's so wrong with a lot of us wanting to make the change?

I'm sorry but I just don't get this,
How is it hard to tell?
There is literally nobody here claiming that, you're making that up!!!

Your 2nd sentence???? WTF.
I don't mean to be rude but it's a bit weird, could you explain it a bit clearer.

[zitelli62]

How would you feel if LJ left us for a club down south next week?

What road is it I'll drive him there.

[Basildon Hibs]

How would you feel if LJ left us for a club down south next week?

Over the moon. 😁

[007]

How would you feel if LJ left us for a club down south next week?

I'd feel that a manager leaving of his own accord while we're 1 league game into the season and still in Europe is better than sacking him at this stage like some want, which I think would be madness. I presume you want him gone?

(I'm basing it on the here and now because depending on when next week him theoretically leaving is, we could have played up to 4 more games).

[007]

It's hard to tell going by some posts!

But ok, if we agree that there is someone better out there for the Hibs job, what's so wrong with a lot of us wanting to make the change?

You make it sounds as if it is that straightforward. We want someone better so lets just make a change and, hey presto, all sorted. As I'm sure you realise, it isn't quite as simple as that.

[Hibernian Verse]

The football is back tomorrow team, and thank Christ for that. We’re down to dissecting who was more at fault for O’Hara’s steal!

[WhileTheChief..]

Why isn't it that simple?

You presumably think LJ is an improvement on Maloney?

Let's just take the next step and keep improving??

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm sorry but I just don't get this,
How is it hard to tell?
There is literally nobody here claiming that, you're making that up!!!

Your 2nd sentence???? WTF.
I don't mean to be rude but it's a bit weird, could you explain it a bit clearer.

Wtf?

If you can't understand what I said in that simple sentence that's on you.

[007]

There are plenty of slavering clowns on Hibs.net as well. There are also, funnily enough, folk who try and direct what they say and stick up for them. They shouldn't be anywhere near the site, imo, but they are, so cest la vie.😜🤣

Yeah, the site should be split in 2. 1 side for slavering clowns and 1 side for those that talk complete sense. 😀

[babahibs]

Wtf?

If you can't understand what I said in that simple sentence that's on you.

Ok, you just ignore the first part then, cool.

I also understand your 2nd sentence, it's definitely simple.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Of course it is and why not? Johnson has said that was the play after we were two down.
We got back square using it.

He started the match with one up top (Doidge) with two wide men no where near him. Doidge is at his best with a partner beside him, and when Alf comes on, low and behold the two forwards link up to get us one back.

He consistently starts with the wrong selection and/or tactics, and is forced to make changes to get us back in the game, it’s tiresome.

Get our best 11 on the park from the start, playing to the best players strengths. Mad how lost this concept can be to a top flight manager.

[superfurryhibby]

Over the moon. 😁

More like howling at it........oh wait. :top marks

[007]

Why isn't it that simple?

You presumably think LJ is an improvement on Maloney?

Let's just take the next step and keep improving??


It's not that simple because for a start a manager better than LJ has to want to come to Hibs.

Managers are careful about what club they go to next, even out of work ones. They often don't go for opportunities that come up and prefer to wait for what they think is the right job because they know if the next one doesn't work out then it could be extremely difficult to get another job at the level they want.

If we were to have sacked LJ after losing to St Mirren then from any prospective manager's point of view he'll see a club that's sacked a manager that got 5th last season (level par for our budget), qualified for Europe and has just got through to the next round but lost the 1st league game of the season. Alarm bells will be ringing, potentially enough for decent managers to steer clear.

I think a better time to review the situation is about when the 1st round of fixtures have been played. That's just as a rough guide as lots of things can happen between now and then but I'd like us to at least wait and see how the new players are bedding in 1st.

It's very easy to say "Let's just take the next step and keep improving" (i.e. change to a better manager) but are you really saying it's so easy do in practice?

[WhileTheChief..]

It's not that simple because for a start a manager better than LJ has to want to come to Hibs.

Managers are careful about what club they go to next, even out of work ones. They often don't go for opportunities that come up and prefer to wait for what they think is the right job because they know if the next one doesn't work out then it could be extremely difficult to get another job at the level they want.

If we were to have sacked LJ after losing to St Mirren then from any prospective manager's point of view he'll see a club that's sacked a manager that got 5th last season (level par for our budget), qualified for Europe and has just got through to the next round but lost the 1st league game of the season. Alarm bells will be ringing, potentially enough for decent managers to steer clear.

I think a better time to review the situation is about when the 1st round of fixtures have been played. That's just as a rough guide as lots of things can happen between now and then but I'd like us to at least wait and see how the new players are bedding in 1st.

It's very easy to say "Let's just take the next step and keep improving" (i.e. change to a better manager) but are you really saying it's so easy do in practice?

I think if we went back over every manager we replaced, in most cases we improved. I know there are obvious exceptions.

I don't think we're any better than this time last year and I don't see us getting any better with LJ, so I'd like to make the change.

I think sticking with LJ is doing more harm than good and there are plenty of managers out there that would jump at the chance to come to us in the belief they could do a better job. For me, it's worth the risk.

[ChilliEater]

Yeah, the site should be split in 2. 1 side for slavering clowns and 1 side for those that talk complete sense. 😀

Interesting idea - so which group are the slavering fools and which one is talking sense? Do the groups remain the same but switch titles as the team's form changes, so both sides are both sensible and slavering at some point? Are we creating Schroedingers message board 😵. In the mean time, both sides would believe that they were the sensible ones.

I love it - we should do this right now :greengrin

[Keepthefaith]

Why isn't it that simple?

You presumably think LJ is an improvement on Maloney?

Let's just take the next step and keep improving??

Have you forgotten about butcher and how many Hibs fans wanted him?!

[JimBHibees]

Doesn't that fact that so many posters on here share the same views about LJ kinda show that there is NO AGENDA against him.

It's everyone's own individual thoughts.

Just because you happen to disagree doesn't make the rest of us wrong.

Do you really believe that there isn't someone out there that Hibs could get , that could do a better job than LJ? Think about it for a minute. You're saying he is the only / best man for us right now?

A lot of us disagree with that view. None of us are accusing you or anyone else of having an agenda.

The teeth whitening comment was clearly a joke btw, don't fall for the BS bering spouted.

Obviously we definitely could get better however some seem desperate for him to fail. He gets no credit when we do ok and slaughtered when he doesn’t. Some of the criticism is ridiculous he is s slaver we don’t understand what he means David Brent jeezo. People genuinely want him sacked after the first game of the season how is that giving him a fair shot.