Johnson Out

[GreenGray]

Good management.

Has Johnson not already explained why Boyle was on the bench?

If you think putting someone on the bench with no plans to play them and to say they are only there as a cheerleader is “good management” wow.


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[GreenGray]

I agree.

Re Boyle on the bench - Johnson's actions during the second half of last season strongly hinted that he didn't rate many of our fringe players or youngsters. If he didn't put Boyle on the bench, he'd probably have put someone else on the bench who he had absolutely no intention of playing because he didn't think they were good enough to be called upon other than in the most dire of emergency. I reckon he thinks most of our fringe players are a significant downgrade on our first choice players, with the players behind that lot even further away from being able to contribute than those reserves. Whilst he's left trying to get a tune out of Doidge, Melkersen and co right now I can only imagine what he think of those who are behind them in the queue.

So whilst the Boyle decision looks odd, in many ways it isn't really. I also suspect Johnson didn't think we'd lose the game and for such a decision to end up coming under scrutiny.

No issue with a player being on the bench even if there is no plan to play them. My issue is coming out before the game and admitting they are only there as a cheerleader. What sort of image does that portray? Pretty disrespectful to the opposition also.


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[Hibbyradge]

If you think putting someone on the bench with no plans to play them and to say they are only there as a cheerleader is “good management” wow.


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There were 12 subs on the bench. Would you have preferred he left Boyle at home and replaced him with a youngster, who he would have no intention of using?

He had the player he intended using so he used one of the extra places to bring extra motivation. There's nothing wrong with that.

[GreenGray]

There were 12 subs on the bench. Would you have preferred he left Boyle at home and replaced him with a youngster, who he would have no intention of using?

He had the player he intended using so he used one of the extra places to bring extra motivation. There's nothing wrong with that.

As above, no issue with a player being on bench with no plan to play. Coming out before game and saying they are only there to be a cheerleader is disrespectful and tbh it is no surprise the team didn’t aren’t to take the opponent seriously with comments like that imo.


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[jeffers]

There were 12 subs on the bench. Would you have preferred he left Boyle at home and replaced him with a youngster, who he would have no intention of using?

He had the player he intended using so he used one of the extra places to bring extra motivation. There's nothing wrong with that.

Could he not have fulfilled that role without having to be named as a sub ?

[Since452]

I agree.

Re Boyle on the bench - Johnson's actions during the second half of last season strongly hinted that he didn't rate many of our fringe players or youngsters. If he didn't put Boyle on the bench, he'd probably have put someone else on the bench who he had absolutely no intention of playing because he didn't think they were good enough to be called upon other than in the most dire of emergency. I reckon he thinks most of our fringe players are a significant downgrade on our first choice players, with the players behind that lot even further away from being able to contribute than those reserves. Whilst he's left trying to get a tune out of Doidge, Melkersen and co right now I can only imagine what he think of those who are behind them in the queue.

So whilst the Boyle decision looks odd, in many ways it isn't really. I also suspect Johnson didn't think we'd lose the game and for such a decision to end up coming under scrutiny.

Exactly :agree:

[#2 Double Tap]

It might have been a valid point, but the original criticism was that he was on the bench, taking someone else's place.

When that was shown to have no merit, the goalposts were moved.

People are having a go at OUR manager for anything they can find. How he speaks, the way he throws players under mythical buses, being streaky, being David Brent, putting players on benches, not playing players.

And folk say there's no agenda!

It's ridiculous and it's unfair. If Johnson fails, he'll lose his job but the relentless attacks on him are unnecessary and wearing, and they will achieve nothing positive for our team.

LJ's problem is that he played with the boys over the road, he is viewed as tainted by folks who hate them, its that simple, like it or not, to win those folks over he had to be exceptional.....and lets face it, we have been anything but exceptional. so until he leaves, there will always be an under current of unrest when we are losing games esp when its to brickies, joiners and waiters.......all imo

im not a fan of LJ, yet if he puts an entertaining and then winning team on the park, I really wouldnt care about "my feelings" towards him.

[JeMeSouviens]

What we need is a poll - https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?363117-The-LJ-poll :wink:

[CapitalGreen]

We have known for weeks that Boyle wouldn’t return to competitive action until the 2nd leg at the earliest. That has been communicated multiple times and is part of the RTP schedule determined by the medical staff.

Playing him against the advice of the medical staff wouldn’t have been good management and he would be to blame should he break down again in the future.

We also didn’t have any players in Andorra that he was blocking a space on the bench for. If Martin Boyle hadn’t been listed as a substitute, UEFA rules would have prevented him from sitting with the team in the technical area and participating in pre-match activities. Some may argue it is good management to get a player returning from a long term injury back involved in match day activity rather than having him sit in the stand with the suits. I can imagine it benefited both Martin’s and team morale to be involved and if it’s not prevented another sub being listed where is the harm?

[Since90+2]

Could he not have fulfilled that role without having to be named as a sub ?

Are players not named in the squad allowed in the dressing room for European Competition? I don't know the answer btw, genuine question.

[Hibbyradge]

As above, no issue with a player being on bench with no plan to play. Coming out before game and saying they are only there to be a cheerleader is disrespectful and tbh it is no surprise the team didn’t aren’t to take the opponent seriously with comments like that imo.


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I don't see how it's disrespectful in the slightest.

The Aussie manager got plaudits for using Martin for the same purpose and listing him as one of 12 subs was the way for LJ to do it.

However, I accept that's your view so we move on.

[CapitalGreen]

Could he not have fulfilled that role without having to be named as a sub ?

Nope, UEFA rules would have forbidden him from being allowed in the technical area. He would have been sitting in the stand opposite alongside other club officials.

[GreenGray]

LJ's problem is that he played with the boys over the road, he is viewed as tainted by folks who hate them, its that simple, like it or not, to win those folks over he had to be exceptional.....and lets face it, we have been anything but exceptional. so until he leaves, there will always be an under current of unrest when we are losing games esp when its to brickies, joiners and waiters.......all imo

im not a fan of LJ, yet if he puts an entertaining and then winning team on the park, I really wouldnt care about "my feelings" towards him.

Never understand this take. Many (myself included) got behind Johnson and defended him initially. It was the poor runs of form and shocking derby defeats last season that turned many off him. Not the fact he played for Hearts, acts like David Brent or is English. Which are some of the accusations that get thrown about on here.

Can people not understand that people may not back Johnson as they don’t think he’s good enough for us?


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[Hibbyradge]

Could he not have fulfilled that role without having to be named as a sub ?

:dunno:

I don't know but I don't see what difference it would make.

[GreenGray]

I don't see how it's disrespectful in the slightest.

The Aussie manager got plaudits for using Martin for the same purpose and listing him as one of 12 subs was the way for LJ to do it.

However, I accept that's your view so we move on.

My point is what does it look like to the rest of the team when the manager is coming out before the game and saying we have a player on the bench that is only here to be a cheerleader?

We weren’t over there for a jolly and a laugh.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Never understand this take. Many (myself included) got behind Johnson and defended him initially. It was the poor runs of form and shocking derby defeats last season that turned many off him. Not the fact he played for Hearts, acts like David Brent or is English. Which are some of the accusations that get thrown about on here.

Can people not understand that people may not back Johnson as they don’t think he’s good enough for us?


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:agree:

He was at Tiny for about 5 minutes. I don't remember him there tbh. It's not a problem. Nor is his Englishness. I will admit the David Brent stuff irritates me, but I'd happily overlook it if I thought he was getting the best out of the team.

[#2 Double Tap]

Never understand this take. Many (myself included) got behind Johnson and defended him initially. It was the poor runs of form and shocking derby defeats last season that turned many off him. Not the fact he played for Hearts, acts like David Brent or is English. Which are some of the accusations that get thrown about on here.

Can people not understand that people may not back Johnson as they don’t think he’s good enough for us?


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they total can, i think im one of those folk, but there has been others who were unhappy about his from the day he was appointed, thats nout to do with performance levels.

[jeffers]

Nope, UEFA rules would have forbidden him from being allowed in the technical area. He would have been sitting in the stand opposite alongside other club officials.

Fair enough I wasn’t sure which is why I asked.

[CapitalGreen]

Fair enough I wasn’t sure which is why I asked.

Do you think LJ should have made him sit in the stand opposite with the suits instead of his teammates?

[Hibees1973]

Had a dream we were 0-0 at half-time. Deary me. I'm thinking way too much.

Interesting.

After the initial anger of last week's result almost every single post about the 2nd leg was that we would 'pump em', 'beat them by 4 or 5', etc.

There is some logic around us performing better this week. Mostly around last week's game was at altitude, was early, the heat, etc. The usual stuff.

Similar to your post I have seen a few others emerging that the 2nd leg may not be as easy as others think (know you had a bad dream). This is Hibs. We can blame the conditions last week but for around 80 minutes we were shocking. There is a chance that we could perform poorly again. The Andorrans will be stubborn, feisty and possibly may be decent at ER. My worry is that we could make it very difficult for ourselves by performing as poorly again. Let's face it the team we put out won't be that much different from last week. Newell will start, doubtful that Boyle will start, but I think Fish is eligible (I may be wrong about this).

I expect us to get through on Thursday. But it might just be a very anxious 2-0 or 3-1 win.

[Since452]

My point is what does it look like to the rest of the team when the manager is coming out before the game and saying we have a player on the bench that is only here to be a cheerleader?

We weren’t over there for a jolly and a laugh.


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Australia took Boyle to the world cup for similar reasons albeit he obviously wasn't on the bench. We had 12 substitutes on the bench. That's more than enough to include Boyle without having any intention of playing him

[GreenGray]

Australia took Boyle to the world cup for similar reasons albeit he obviously wasn't on the bench. We had 12 substitutes on the bench. That's more than enough to include Boyle without having any intention of playing him

It’s not uncommon for teams to have injured players around the squad. Having them on the bench but saying they are only there to be a cheerleader before the game is slightly different imo.


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[Carheenlea]

LJ's problem is that he played with the boys over the road, he is viewed as tainted by folks who hate them, its that simple, like it or not, to win those folks over he had to be exceptional.....and lets face it, we have been anything but exceptional. so until he leaves, there will always be an under current of unrest when we are losing games esp when its to brickies, joiners and waiters.......all imo

im not a fan of LJ, yet if he puts an entertaining and then winning team on the park, I really wouldnt care about "my feelings" towards him.

I must say I keep needing to be reminded that he briefly played for Hearts. Would be at the very bottom of lists of things you think of on hearing his name.

A good lot of us on here will have been inside Tynecastle more often than Lee Johnson.

[Brightside]

Do you think LJ should have made him sit in the stand opposite with the suits instead of his teammates?

Or with other injured players? I'm not really bothered tbh. Just opened up the debate again as Boyle mentioned how frustrating it was to not play a part in the game yet play 2 days later v Blackpool. Like others I think its pretty clear that LJ thought we'd win the game comfortably. We didn't so now that decision and tomorrows game has much bigger significance. Will be interesting to see what team he plays tomorrow.

[Keith_M]

You missed his teeth whitening regime.


The Red Arrows display was the final straw for me, TBH.

[blackpoolhibs]

Or with other injured players? I'm not really bothered tbh. Just opened up the debate again as Boyle mentioned how frustrating it was to not play a part in the game yet play 2 days later v Blackpool. Like others I think its pretty clear that LJ thought we'd win the game comfortably. We didn't so now that decision and tomorrows game has much bigger significance. Will be interesting to see what team he plays tomorrow.

Or LJ knew they were a bunch of cloggers, and he didnt want to risk him against that kind of tackling.

The Blackpool game was a friendly, never saw any bad tackling during the game, both managers treated the game as a friendly and LJ probably saw it as a better game for Boyle to get minutes in his legs.

[Brightside]

Or LJ knew they were a bunch of cloggers, and he didnt want to risk him against that kind of tackling.

The Blackpool game was a friendly, never saw any bad tackling during the game, both managers treated the game as a friendly and LJ probably saw it as a better game for Boyle to get minutes in his legs.

We had a friendly in Spain where we almost had legs ripped off. :greengrin. Do you think he will play Boyle tomorrow? I actually think he will be on the bench.

[Since452]

We had a friendly in Spain where we almost had legs ripped off. :greengrin. Do you think he will play Boyle tomorrow? I actually think he will be on the bench.

I think he'll be on the bench as well. If were toiling he'll make an appearance. The manager will be looking at Sunday as well. Don't want to overload him.

[CapitalGreen]

Or with other injured players? I'm not really bothered tbh. Just opened up the debate again as Boyle mentioned how frustrating it was to not play a part in the game yet play 2 days later v Blackpool. Like others I think its pretty clear that LJ thought we'd win the game comfortably. We didn't so now that decision and tomorrows game has much bigger significance. Will be interesting to see what team he plays tomorrow.

Do you think LJ should have gone against the advice from the medical team on Boyle’s RTP schedule?

[blackpoolhibs]

We had a friendly in Spain where we almost had legs ripped off. :greengrin. Do you think he will play Boyle tomorrow? I actually think he will be on the bench.

Exactly, and guess what, Boyle didnt play. I'd have him on the bench too, and i dont rate LJ much either.

[Brightside]

Do you think LJ should have gone against the advice from the medical team on Boyle’s RTP schedule?

Nope. If a player is injured he's injured. I'd say the answer was somewhere in between the "he needs another 48hrs before he can play a game" and "We should win this game easy anyway"

We've had enough players continue through the season with injuries. Hopefully the increased quality squad will stop that happening.

[007]

Or LJ knew they were a bunch of cloggers, and he didnt want to risk him against that kind of tackling.

The Blackpool game was a friendly, never saw any bad tackling during the game, both managers treated the game as a friendly and LJ probably saw it as a better game for Boyle to get minutes in his legs.

He also mentioned before the match that he didn't want to play Boyle on Inter's pitch. I watched it on a small screen so couldn't really tell how bad it was but it did look to me like the ball bobbled quite a bit.

[Willis1875]

It’s not uncommon for teams to have injured players around the squad. Having them on the bench but saying they are only there to be a cheerleader before the game is slightly different imo.


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He simply should have just said nothing regarding the cheerleader bit,it’s waffling on like that,that gets under my skin with him

[matty_f]

Brightside said Boyle shouldn't have been on the bench as a cheerleader when another player could have been there calling it bad management. When that was shown to be wrong, he moved the goalposts so he could find another angle to criticise him from. That is what happened and is what I objected to.

If folk think Boyle should have played, I won't argue against that. I don't know why he wasn't used.

No longer allowed to criticise him on here? It's incessant, Jeffers.

People are even posting, again and again, about hypothetical situations that might lead to his dismissal. It's almost like they want him to fail. He's criticised for things he hasn't done and doesn't do.

He's criticised for "throwing players under the bus" and gets criticised for saying they did well when they result hasn't gone in our favour.

I won't defend him when there's legitimate reasons to question him, but it's the nature of the attacks and the clear agenda against him that I object to.

I realise that we're unlikely to agree on this though but that's how I feel.

I think I'm balanced on Johnson and certainly don't think I go looking for things to criticise him about, but I thought the decision to put Boyle on the bench add a "cheerleader" was poor because of what it infers.

To me, there's an element of disrespect (intended or otherwise) to the opposition and I'm sure if I was the Inter manager, I'd have been telling my players that Hibs thought we were so much of a pushover that they could make a cheerleader in the squad..

If we only traveled with the players registered and everyone that could have been named on the bench were named then I agree that in practical terms, it makes no difference. If that's the case though, don't tell folk you've got a cheerleader there - "I've named as strong a bench as I can, we've had to put Boyle in there as there's nobody else but he's not quite ready to play" is a completely different message to "we've put him in for the bantz" (to paraphrase).

We were miles off it on Thursday and I don't think the manager set the tone with decisions like that.

[Since452]

He simply should have just said nothing regarding the cheerleader bit,it’s waffling on like that,that gets under my skin with him

I agree with this. He could have said Boyle will be on the bench but won't feature and left it at that. I can see how it could be portrayed as disrespectful to the opposition. On the whole i like listening to Johnson and find his outlook on the game interesting. Talk is cheap though. All about results.

[jeffers]

Do you think LJ should have made him sit in the stand opposite with the suits instead of his teammates?

Nope. Where did you draw that conclusion from what I posted ?

[CapitalGreen]

Nope. Where did you draw that conclusion from what I posted ?

I hadn’t drawn any conclusion, I simply asked a question.

[JimBHibees]

If you think putting someone on the bench with no plans to play them and to say they are only there as a cheerleader is “good management” wow.


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In what way would that have affected the poor team performance? Slowly assimilating him back into it . Started at the weekend also.

[GreenGray]

In what way would that have affected the poor team performance? Slowly assimilating him back into it . Started at the weekend also.

Manager sets the tone for the team, if he’s coming out saying he’s only here to be a cheerleader what sort of attitude does that spread amongst the squad?

This team are so bad we’re able to use a spot on the bench for a cheerleader?


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[JimBHibees]

Manager sets the tone for the team, if he’s coming out saying he’s only here to be a cheerleader what sort of attitude does that spread amongst the squad?

This team are so bad we’re able to use a spot on the bench for a cheerleader?


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Wouldn't have thought it would have had any influence on them. They all knew what was at stake. Johnson was clear before the game they would be difficult to beat.

[GreenGray]

Wouldn't have thought it would have had any influence on them. They all knew what was at stake

And that’s your opinion. They certainly didn’t look like they did though.


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[WeeRussell]

Manager sets the tone for the team, if he’s coming out saying he’s only here to be a cheerleader what sort of attitude does that spread amongst the squad?

This team are so bad we’re able to use a spot on the bench for a cheerleader?


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As opposed to putting him in the squad and saying “he’s not going to play any minutes”?

It’s the word “cheerleader” that seems to have offended. I’m sure LJ didn’t mean anything by it and I don’t think any of us or the Andorrans thought he’d literally be cheerleading.

Maybe slightly clumsy with his words, if anything, but poor management is a stretch. Returning, experienced player back amongst the squad able to offer encouragement and be involved in competitive match day but unlikely to take the field. No problem.

[JimBHibees]

And that’s your opinion. They certainly didn’t look like they did though.


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Yep it was very poor no doubt. Opportunity tomorrow to rectify it.

[JimBHibees]

As opposed to putting him in the squad and saying “he’s not going to play any minutes”?

It’s the word “cheerleader” that seems to have offended. I’m sure LJ didn’t mean anything by it and I don’t think any of us or the Andorrans thought he’d literally be cheerleading.

Maybe slightly clumsy with his words, if anything, but poor management is a stretch. Returning, experienced player back amongst the squad able to offer encouragement and be involved in competitive match day but unlikely to take the field. No problem.

Agree totally

[GreenGray]

As opposed to putting him in the squad and saying “he’s not going to play any minutes”?

It’s the word “cheerleader” that seems to have offended. I’m sure LJ didn’t mean anything by it and I don’t think any of us or the Andorrans thought he’d literally be cheerleading.

Maybe slightly clumsy with his words, if anything, but poor management is a stretch. Returning, experienced player back amongst the squad able to offer encouragement and be involved in competitive match day but unlikely to take the field. No problem.

Just put him in the squad and don’t say anything maybe? Being clumsy with your words is poor management.

Your last paragraph would have been better, unfortunately our manager didn’t say that though.


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[JimBHibees]

Just put him in the squad and don’t say anything maybe? Being clumsy with your words is poor management.

Your last paragraph would have been better, unfortunately our manager didn’t say that though.


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You think that was the reason for the poor performance

[GreenGray]

You think that was the reason for the poor performance

Nope, never said that. Think it certainly wouldn’t have helped and was likely one of many reasons for the poor performance.


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[JimBHibees]

Nope, never said that. Think it certainly wouldn’t have helped and was likely one of many reasons for the poor performance.


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Don't think it would have made an iota of difference however respect your view

[J-C]

LJ has got this pre season all wrong just like last season, not ready and poor friendlies, they went into Thursday's game underprepared and so far away mentally. The 1st half against part timers was shocking and LJ has to take a large portion of the blame, to have Boyle on the bench and not use him when we were desperate to get a result was ridiculous, we need a strong team and a proper performance tomorrow, if not then his position should be looked at.

[Hibbyradge]

LJ has got this pre season all wrong just like last season, not ready and poor friendlies, they went into Thursday's game underprepared and so far away mentally. The 1st half against part timers was shocking and LJ has to take a large portion of the blame, to have Boyle on the bench and not use him when we were desperate to get a result was ridiculous, we need a strong team and a proper performance tomorrow, if not then his position should be looked at.

Capital Green has pointed out that the medical team had Boyle to return not before 2 August,

[Callum_62]

Capital Green has pointed out that the medical team had Boyle to return not before 2 August,What do they know though? [emoji1]

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[007]

LJ has got this pre season all wrong just like last season, not ready and poor friendlies, they went into Thursday's game underprepared and so far away mentally. The 1st half against part timers was shocking and LJ has to take a large portion of the blame, to have Boyle on the bench and not use him when we were desperate to get a result was ridiculous, we need a strong team and a proper performance tomorrow, if not then his position should be looked at.

What was wrong with the friendlies?

[jeffers]

What do they know though? [emoji1]

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You could equally argue what does the player know then as Boyle felt he was able to play a part last week.

If CG says that was the date I’ll trust him on that but I don’t believe he couldn’t have featured last Thursday at all but two days later he was able to play 45 minutes.

[ancient hibee]

I don't remember a load of protests about Boyle being taken to the World Cup as a cheerleader-=did that disrespect the other teams-or should we send FIFA the money back?

[GreenGray]

I don't remember a load of protests about Boyle being taken to the World Cup as a cheerleader-=did that disrespect the other teams-or should we send FIFA the money back?

That’s some leap to be fair! Was Boyle in Australia’s squad?


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[Brightside]

I don't remember a load of protests about Boyle being taken to the World Cup as a cheerleader-=did that disrespect the other teams-or should we send FIFA the money back?

None of our business.

[Since452]

LJ has got this pre season all wrong just like last season, not ready and poor friendlies, they went into Thursday's game underprepared and so far away mentally. The 1st half against part timers was shocking and LJ has to take a large portion of the blame, to have Boyle on the bench and not use him when we were desperate to get a result was ridiculous, we need a strong team and a proper performance tomorrow, if not then his position should be looked at.

Were this seasons friendlies any worse than any we've had before? What makes a good friendly? What has been wrong with pre season? :confused: This is getting ridiculous now. We have a whole football department to plan and arrange pre season games.

[Stuart93]

LJ has got this pre season all wrong just like last season, not ready and poor friendlies, they went into Thursday's game underprepared and so far away mentally. The 1st half against part timers was shocking and LJ has to take a large portion of the blame, to have Boyle on the bench and not use him when we were desperate to get a result was ridiculous, we need a strong team and a proper performance tomorrow, if not then his position should be looked at.

Personally I really enjoyed blackpool, but not for footballing reasons.

More trips like that hibs

[jeffers]

Were this seasons friendlies any worse than any we've had before? What makes a good friendly? What has been wrong with pre season? :confused: This is getting ridiculous now. We have a whole football department to plan and arrange pre season games.

I don’t think it’s the standard of opposition in those friendlies that’s up for question more did we look prepared in them and more so prepared for last Thursday’s game.

[WeeRussell]

You could equally argue what does the player know then as Boyle felt he was able to play a part last week.

A lot less than the medical team I’d imagine.

I feel like I could play for Hibs tomorrow night (and score) but I’m sure the medical team would be quick to explain that I’m a fat, unfit (useless) ******* who should stick to posting ***** on hibs.net.

[Alan62]

Arguably our manager missed an opportunity to keep the opposition guessing when he included Boyle on the bench. I wouldn't have said anything about whether or not he was likely to play. That way, they would always worry that I had a dangerous option who could come into the game at any time. Of course, as it turned out, they had little to worry about but that's another matter altogether.

[Callum_62]

You could equally argue what does the player know then as Boyle felt he was able to play a part last week.

If CG says that was the date I’ll trust him on that but I don’t believe he couldn’t have featured last Thursday at all but two days later he was able to play 45 minutes.I'd trust the medical team on decisions way more than the player

Particularly when returning from a serious long term injury

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[jeffers]

I'd trust the medical team on decisions way more than the player

Particularly when returning from a serious long term injury

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So his leg hadn’t healed by last Thursday but had two days later ? I’m more inclined to believe after a serious injury two days would matter less than in the recovery than it would from a recent niggle.

[Callum_62]

So his leg hadn’t healed by last Thursday but had two days later ? I’m more inclined to believe after a serious injury two days would matter less than in the recovery than it would from a recent niggle.Again, I'll leave that to the experts who have years of study in their chosen field of expertise

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[Col2]

So his leg hadn’t healed by last Thursday but had two days later ? I’m more inclined to believe after a serious injury two days would matter less than in the recovery than it would from a recent niggle.

Plastic pitch and competitive game v grass and friendly. Hardly rocket science is it?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Plastic pitch and competitive game v grass and friendly. Hardly rocket science is it?

Last weeks pitch in Andorra was grass I’m sure?

[WhileTheChief..]

Never understand this take. Many (myself included) got behind Johnson and defended him initially. It was the poor runs of form and shocking derby defeats last season that turned many off him. Not the fact he played for Hearts, acts like David Brent or is English. Which are some of the accusations that get thrown about on here.

Can people not understand that people may not back Johnson as they don’t think he’s good enough for us?


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:top marks

Man this is such a good post.

I mean it's stating the obvious for most of us, but all the BS about us not liking him for various reasons other than how he's doing as manager needs to stop.

I've not read a single post saying they don't like him because he played or Hearts for 5 minutes. Who even remembers him playing for them?

[007]

You could equally argue what does the player know then as Boyle felt he was able to play a part last week.

If CG says that was the date I’ll trust him on that but I don’t believe he couldn’t have featured last Thursday at all but two days later he was able to play 45 minutes.

When did Boyle say that?

I've heard him say he's been chomping at the bit to play but needs to stay patient and trust the physios. Not the same as how you're portraying it.

[jeffers]

When did Boyle say that?

I've heard him say he's been chomping at the bit to play but needs to stay patient and trust the physios. Not the same as how you're portraying it.

His quote was “but when you’re sitting on the bench – in my eyes I was fit to play – and the manager doesn’t want to take the chance, it’s tough.”

[Hibees1973]

Johnson just quoted 'I can guarantee Hibs will have a good season'.

Quite a promise that.

As with this thread he continues to divide opinion. Some here will say he is being optimistic/ambitious while others will say he is putting himself under unnecessary extra pressure.

[Hibbyradge]

Arguably our manager missed an opportunity to keep the opposition guessing when he included Boyle on the bench. I wouldn't have said anything about whether or not he was likely to play. That way, they would always worry that I had a dangerous option who could come into the game at any time. Of course, as it turned out, they had little to worry about but that's another matter altogether.

Can you imagine the fans reaction when Boyle wasn't used under those circumstances?

And the reaction when LJ explained that he wasn't fit but we didn't want Inter to know?

[WeeRussell]

Johnson just quoted 'I can guarantee Hibs will have a good season'.

Quite a promise that.

As with this thread he continues to divide opinion. Some here will say he is being optimistic/ambitious while others will say he is putting himself under unnecessary extra pressure.

He might as well.. doesn’t really add extra pressure as he’ll be gone if we have a **** season, or will be gone before it ends if having one?

[Brightside]

A lot less than the medical team I’d imagine.

I feel like I could play for Hibs tomorrow night (and score) but I’m sure the medical team would be quick to explain that I’m a fat, unfit (useless) ******* who should stick to posting ***** on hibs.net.

So you are saying you are available? :wink:

[Hibernian Verse]

Johnson just quoted 'I can guarantee Hibs will have a good season'.

Quite a promise that.

As with this thread he continues to divide opinion. Some here will say he is being optimistic/ambitious while others will say he is putting himself under unnecessary extra pressure.

Got a link?

[WeeRussell]

So you are saying you are available? :wink:

As a fan, cheerleader, or player?

Regardless. Yes. Yes I am.

[jeffers]

As a fan, cheerleader, or player?

Regardless. Yes. Yes I am.

After your self description I’m hoping you don’t dress like a cheerleader :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

After your self description I’m hoping you don’t dress like a cheerleader :greengrin

Oh, I don't know.

It might bring us some much needed light relief.

[WeeRussell]

After your self description I’m hoping you don’t dress like a cheerleader :greengrin

Hey! I’ve a pretty face!

[007]

His quote was “but when you’re sitting on the bench – in my eyes I was fit to play – and the manager doesn’t want to take the chance, it’s tough.”

Okay, fair enough. He's now put it across a bit differently in that subsequent interview you've quoted from. That said, if the physios are recommending not to risk him, and he essentially said so in the earlier interview, then I don't blame the manager for not taking the risk.

[Hibees1973]

Got a link?

It's on the BBC Sport Football Scotland website

[WeeRussell]

Oh, I don't know.

It might bring us some much needed light relief.

That’s just what Jesus said, sir!

[Hibbyradge]

Johnson just quoted 'I can guarantee Hibs will have a good season'.

Quite a promise that.

As with this thread he continues to divide opinion. Some here will say he is being optimistic/ambitious while others will say he is putting himself under unnecessary extra pressure.

"I'm really excited about what we can achieve with the squad moving forward with the signings that we have made. I can never guarantee anyone games, but what I can guarantee is we are moving in the right direction and we will have a good season."

He's actually guaranteeing that we're moving in the right direction, but adds that we'll have a good season.

However you want to read it, it's good to see confidence and optimism before the season starts.

[jeffers]

Oh, I don't know.

It might bring us some much needed light relief.

That is true !


Hey! I’ve a pretty face!

It wasn’t your face I was worried about :wink:

[jeffers]

"I'm really excited about what we can achieve with the squad moving forward with the signings that we have made. I can never guarantee anyone games, but what I can guarantee is we are moving in the right direction and we will have a good season."

He's actually guaranteeing that we're moving in the right direction, but adds that we'll have a good season.

However you want to read it, it's good to see confidence and optimism before the season starts.

Of all the things he’s said I take no issue with those comments. He’ll be judged, to a different standard, this season and if he doesn’t deliver I’m sure he knows he’ll be toast.

[WeeRussell]

It wasn’t your face I was worried about :wink:

Ah I see. Yeah they aren’t pretty…

[Hibbyradge]

Ah I see. Yeah they aren’t pretty…

You're not so bad yourself, Conkface!

[WeeRussell]

You're not so bad yourself, Conkface!

Stop thinking about sex!

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I may have started this thread in a fit of rage, but I for one am now fully behind Johnson. I’m also on holiday and am pished but that’s by the by.

I see Levitt picking up the ball from the defenders and Youan and Boyle scrambling like fighter jets, peeling away for the imminent through ball whilst Vente stalks the penalty box like I would a nightclub dancefloor in my heyday. Only this time I hope Vente actually scores as opposed to me firing numerous blanks.

[J-C]

Capital Green has pointed out that the medical team had Boyle to return not before 2 August,

Well today is August 2nd an Boyle played on Saturday before today.

[Hibbyradge]

Well today is August 2nd an Boyle played on Saturday before today.

I assumed he meant "competitive" games. Blackpool was a kick about.

[JimBHibees]

I may have started this thread in a fit of rage, but I for one am now fully behind Johnson. I’m also on holiday and am pished but that’s by the by.

I see Levitt picking up the ball from the defenders and Youan and Boyle scrambling like fighter jets, peeling away for the imminent through ball whilst Vente stalks the penalty box like I would a nightclub dancefloor in my heyday. Only this time I hope Vente actually scores as opposed to me firing numerous blanks.

Brilliant :faf::faf:

[Clarence]

Bump

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

100 per cent this 😡

[Manxhibs]

I’m done with him

[Stuart93]

He’s absolutely nowhere to hide. After the amount we’ve spent to get horses by st mirren is a ****ing disgrace.

All because they’re a hard working team

[Steven79]

BumpHis team selections constantly baffle me.

Marshall should never be starting and our full backs against St Mirren were always going to get found out.

His early subs make it clear even he is aware he picked the wrong team.

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[HoboHarry]

I’m done with him

Give it a rest FFS. He's just subbed two players after half an hour. What's he meant to do if players can't follow instructions?

[Stuart93]

His team selections constantly baffle me.

Marshall should never be starting and our full backs against St Mirren were always going to get found out.

His early subs make it clear even he is aware he picked the wrong team.

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It’s because he thinks he’s pep.

Expects us all to bow down to his superior tactical knowledge.

The guys a tadger

[supermcginn]

Finally had enough of him, the team selection today was a joke.

[Stuart93]

Give it a rest FFS. He's just subbed two players after half an hour. What's he meant to do if players can't follow instructions?

How long can we keep blanking the players?

It’s up to him to make sure it’s coached into them, other teams manage it!

[silverhibee]

Starting with Hayes Campbell & Newell tells me LJ has learnt nothing since being at Hibs.

[Vault Boy]

I wouldn’t be upset…

[overdrive]

Get him gone at half time. Disgraceful excuse of a manager

[bordergreen]

His team selections constantly baffle me.

Marshall should never be starting and our full backs against St Mirren were always going to get found out.

His early subs make it clear even he is aware he picked the wrong team.

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He is clueless. Delferierre looked awful at right back on Thursday. Didn’t get the posts on here praising him. Not his fault. He played some nice stuff, but in terms of the right back, he was dire. Johnson should have seen that and known it. I can’t take the guy seriously. I can see where the David Brent stuff comes from. All of my mates who support other teams say the same. Team selection is bizarre. Play people in their position, and if they are not good enough, get rid. No confidence in him whatsoever. Hope he goes. We can’t keep saying it is not good to keep replacing managers. I know it isn’t, but this guy is clueless.

[Del Boy]

Get him away to **** today

[Basildon Hibs]

Never wanted him at our club in the first place.

He's a ******g clueless slaver. Why can't the majority of our support see this??

[Heisenberg]

He’s going nowhere.

[Ozyhibby]

Hearts have got three managers better than our one.[emoji849][emoji35]


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[HendoDelivered]

The Gordons have just let him spend a fortune, there’s no chance he is getting sacked anytime soon IMO. Be here til Christmas at least, unfortunately

[GreenGray]

The Gordons have just let him spend a fortune, there’s no chance he is getting sacked anytime soon IMO. Be here til Christmas at least, unfortunately

Whilst you’re probably right I don’t get it. Would they not rather than money was put to better use? Than having this guy in charge


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[Greenworld]

Give it a rest FFS. He's just subbed two players after half an hour. What's he meant to do if players can't follow instructions?That's nothing to do with following instructions . Campbell was poor delferrie was played out of position

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[Not In The Know]

Give it a rest FFS. He's just subbed two players after half an hour. What's he meant to do if players can't follow instructions?

Prerequisite for a manger is getting players to follow your instructions

[Sean1875]

Honestly baffles me how anyone has any faith in him at all to succeed with us. The guys just completely clueless and uninspiring.


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[blackpoolhibs]

I agree, he's useless and we are pish.

[Brightside]

I tried to like him. But today has been awful. From the very start. He doesn’t do his homework. The have bossed midfield.

[Broxburn Greens]

Give it a rest FFS. He's just subbed two players after half an hour. What's he meant to do if players can't follow instructions?

What if the instructions are ***** though?

[hibee-boys]

Starting with Hayes Campbell & Newell tells me LJ has learnt nothing since being at Hibs.

That midfield has already seen the back of a few managers, I’ve zero sympathy for LJ if continuing to play that midfield 3 gets him the sack. Campbell’s odd goals do NOT make up for the fact that it’s like playing with a man down in the middle of the park, very limited footballer. Throw in JDH who spends most of his game chasing shadows and fouling, it’s a hell of a combination.

[chookyembra]

Embarrassing stuff, doesn’t know what he’s doing as shown by both the starting lineup and the 2 subs. Time for him to go before it’s too late to recover.

[ScottB]

For me Johnson was on borrowed time after last season. Could easily have been sacked during the World Cup break and limped to 5th. How far behind where Aberdeen after us and Hearts hosed them in a week? Ending up behind them was a sackable offence in of itself.

This season starting off with all the hallmarks of him having learned nothing; underestimating / lack of motivation for ‘lowly’ cup opposition, bizarre selections, playing folk out of position and out of form. He’s not got it and nothing about him or his career suggests he ever will have it.

[B.H.F.C]

Today seals the deal. He should go for that starting team alone.

We are disorganised, uninterested and unmotivated. We look a complete shambles.

He won’t be going anywhere though. He’s too pally with Ben.

[GlesgaeHibby]

That midfield has already seen the back of a few managers, I’ve zero sympathy for LJ if continuing to play that midfield 3 gets him the sack. Campbell’s odd goals do NOT make up for the fact that it’s like playing with a man down in the middle of the park, very limited footballer. Throw in JDH who spends most of his game chasing shadows and fouling, it’s a hell of a combination.

Been clear for 3 years now that a midfield of jdh, Newell and Campbell is nowhere near good enough, yet he's not addressed it in 3 windows.

[DH1875]

Boy is clueless. Hoping to get back into it by turning us into St Mirren and trying to match up with them. Deary me.

[WhileTheChief..]

Never wanted him at our club in the first place.

He's a ******g clueless slaver. Why can't the majority of our support see this??

We can.

It’s the minority that back him on the basis we can’t keep changing manager.

For some reason they think we can’t get someone better. Seems like the club feel the same way unfortunately.

[Heisenberg]

Been clear for 3 years now that a midfield of jdh, Newell and Campbell is nowhere near good enough, yet he's not addressed it in 3 windows.

It’s beyond comprehension that we’ve somehow started todays game with that midfield three again. He said all the way back when that midfield stunk the place out against Falkirk that it didn’t work but here he is still trying it.

[Pagan Hibernia]

He’s been gifted a fortuitous start to the season with no old firm or derby games until October. He’s halfway to chucking the first winnable game in the bin on day 1.

he’s been here before and suddenly pulled big wins out of his arse just when he needed them but he’s certainly in a precarious position.

[DH1875]

Give it a rest FFS. He's just subbed two players after half an hour. What's he meant to do if players can't follow instructions?

Hoofing it to Doidge and hoping we get lucky is some instruction.

[One Day Soon]

Been clear for 3 years now that a midfield of jdh, Newell and Campbell is nowhere near good enough, yet he's not addressed it in 3 windows.

This. More than anything else, this.

[CentreForward]

Getting close to having had it with him although he certainly won’t be going anywhere. Even if we suddenly magically came back to win 3 2 would still be saying the same. No way that’s happening anyway.

[FitbaFolkKen]

I think it’s only a matter of time with him. Long ball
to Doidge is criminal and certainly not high tempo and high press.


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[NC1875]

The boys a slavering clown whose belief in his own ability is unbelievable, especially considering he’s a **** manager who should have been emptied long ago.

[7Hero]

He’s too pally with Ben.

and they employed another pal of johnosons as the director of football.

were stuck with him he is going nowhere, what a horrible thought.

[Ozyhibby]

Needs to be gone tonight. Absolute clown.


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[Bostonhibby]

Needs to be gone tonight. Absolute clown.


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[Steve20]

It was a disgrace he survived the two 3-0 pumpings to Hearts in January, ,going out both cups at earliest opportunity last season. We scraped 5th, finishing behind two clubs that got rid of their managers because they knew they were underperforming.

But let’s be honest, he’s going nowhere and we will have another season of garbage to look forward to.

[Vault Boy]

Just go.

[Northernhibee]

Sets us up in the most ridiculous fashion. Doidge single handedly drags us back into it. Lack of gumption costs us it.

GTF Lee (and take your comedian mate with you)

[Stuart93]

Another narrow loss saving this clown his job

Completely sick of him and his team

[chookyembra]

I don’t like what this little prick is doing to our club, get him to ****.

[percy veer]

High press yeah sure

[Sean1875]

GTF Johnson.


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[The Captain....]

Johnson, the slavering wee ****, has got to go...far too many utterly shambolic performances.

You can't possibly watch this team and think the manager has a coherent plan. From Hanlons persistently aimless hoofs to a midfield who are consistently powder puff. A defence that collectively can't defend and a keeper who doesn't make saves.

What a ****ing mess.

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[sauzeelegod]

He promised us high pressing fast attacking football.
He lied.
Getting bossed at home to St Mirren is totally unacceptable for Hibs.
Or at least it should be.

Get him out now ffs.
Can’t stand another season of this ****.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Get him to ****.

Every bit as bad as Maloney, if not worse when you consider how well he’s been backed.

[Boyle89]

Been clear for 3 years now that a midfield of jdh, Newell and Campbell is nowhere near good enough, yet he's not addressed it in 3 windows.

He has. Sort of. Signed jeggo and levitt but for whatever reason doesn't play them. To think that midfield is capable of controlling any game is just mental.

[SeanWilson]

With the club finally spending money on transfers, with clear ambition to try and compete - surely it’s time to get this tube to F. I genuinely think I’ve seen a better game plan from my 13 year olds team. The players go out and run around like there’s absolutely no plan. Guys a plonker and needs to go.

[Pagan Hibernia]

It was a disgrace he survived the two 3-0 pumpings to Hearts in January, ,going out both cups at earliest opportunity last season. We scraped 5th, finishing behind two clubs that got rid of their managers because they knew they were underperforming.

But let’s be honest, he’s going nowhere and we will have another season of garbage to look forward to.

why do people keep saying this? Hibs haven’t really been slow to pull the trigger in recent years.

I think he’ll be gone by Halloween.

[mcfly]

He won’t last long. 2 defeats already

Another shocking display - no doubt lee will slaver more rubbish to talk his way out of this shambles.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Has he gone yet? 🙄

[HendoDelivered]

He’s going nowhere anytime soon sadly. But I can’t wait til the day he goes. A better manager has this team playing better football, simple.

[richard_pitts]

To play Delferriere at Right Back who isn't a right back when we have Lewis Miller or Obita on the bench is baffling. St Mirren had a plan to exploit our right back and to play on our central defenders lack of pace to which we had no answer. We had to rip it up and start again at 2-0 down after 20 minutes at home to St Mirren. Even worse, I work for Digby Brown, St Mirren's sponsors. Monday will be delightful. This kind of farce has happened too many times. He can far cough. It chuffing matters to me alright.

[Bobo]

Well out stayed his welcome, clueless twatt, team selection, formation and tactics are non existent.

We're going nowhere with him in charge

[Lago]

Raith and Ian Murray will fancy their chances against that Hibs team.

[SlickShoes]

We dont have a plan or shape or style, we arent organised. This is like what you'd get just letting a fan pick the team, hope for the best and when it doesnt work make a bunch of subs.

Boyle is a long way from being back, he should have been on the bench, Deferriere anyone with eyes could see he struggled defensively against an Andorran team, so why would you persist?

Manager is and always will be a clown.

[ScottB]

why do people keep saying this? Hibs haven’t really been slow to pull the trigger in recent years.

I think he’ll be gone by Halloween.

He’s survived moments that probably would have seen others sacked and seems particularly close to our CEO and DoF.

I’d be surprised if he gets sacked any time soon, though he definitely deserves.

Getting dumped out of the League Cup and / or Conference League might do it though.

[Jim44]

Being totally realistic, the St Mirren winner might be the best thing to happen to us at this early part of the season. There’s no point in giving LJ a stay of execution till, say, October, by which time we could be treading water or worse to survive. I am desperate to see the back of him.

[CMac1988]

The same midfield 3 that struggle game to game are starting together yet again. If that stuipid **** can't see that after all this time that it rarely works then he needs to go... and that's before I even get to the state of the defence and keeper. Our closest rivals were so poor last year that both sacked their managers during the season and somehow (I say this like I didn't expect it...) they both finish above us. He can't keep getting a pass in the hope it comes good.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Do people still think we’ve clearly improved?

Our whole starting 11 was here 2 windows ago and our managers record is only marginally better than Shaun Maloneys despite absolutely huge backing.

Our squad is still considerably short and our manager is utter crap. There’s no improvement really imo.

[NC1875]

I don’t think the fans have ever really taken to him. I certainly haven’t.

He’s a smarmy cocksure twat.

It’s time the fans let the board know we don’t want him. Starting on Thursday.

Get this clown out of OUR club.

[JamesHFC]

I don't see him entering the danger zone until at least the end of September.

[B.H.F.C]

Being totally realistic, the St Mirren winner might be the best thing to happen to us at this early part of the season. There’s no point in giving LJ a stay of execution till, say, October, by which time we could be treading water or worse to survive. I am desperate to see the back of him.

Getting beat isn’t a good thing. Win, lose or draw we’re stuck with him for the foreseeable.

The team he picked and the way they were set up today was a joke. Any manager picking that midfield in the year 2023 should be out of a job.

Feel pretty despondent tonight as we have so much right at the club, just not the part that matters. And Johnson is the biggest reason for that IMO.

[Greenio]

You don't sack a manager after one game of the new season. Regardless of his levels of slaverism.

New manager seems appealing, because you think it's a silver bullet but it's a backwards step until the benefits outweigh the (significant) negatives.

His choice of trainers alone buys him until Oct!

[CL0762]

He’s going nowhere.

[Callum_62]

I don’t think the fans have ever really taken to him. I certainly haven’t.

He’s a smarmy cocksure twat.

It’s time the fans let the board know we don’t want him. Starting on Thursday.

Get this clown out of OUR club.

Great idea - boo them from the moment he comes out pre game

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[JamesHFC]

I don’t think the fans have ever really taken to him. I certainly haven’t.

He’s a smarmy cocksure twat.

It’s time the fans let the board know we don’t want him. Starting on Thursday.

Get this clown out of OUR club.

Full energy should be on backing the team Thursday imo. If we get pumped then fair enough.

[Forza Fred]

I’ve been supportive of the manager but even I am becoming worried.

He STILL doesn’t seem to know his best 11

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t think the fans have ever really taken to him. I certainly haven’t.

He’s a smarmy cocksure twat.

It’s time the fans let the board know we don’t want him. Starting on Thursday.

Get this clown out of OUR club.

The bit about fans not taking to him is mentioned a lot. Pretty straightforward reason as to why, it’s all too often we get results and performances like today. And that’s been from the moment he came in really.

[neil7908]

Do people still think we’ve clearly improved?

Our whole starting 11 was here 2 windows ago and our managers record is only marginally better than Shaun Maloneys despite absolutely huge backing.

Our squad is still considerably short and our manager is utter crap. There’s no improvement really imo.

I'm no fan of the manager and wouldn't shed a tear if he left tomorrow but our recruitment has been absolutely shocking.

We've stuffed the squad with some very, very poor players that we now can't move on.

Just have to hope that McDermott knows what he's doing and that we can shift a few more players out to allow us to bring in more bodies as this squad and manager will struggle this year big time.

[Brooster]

Always gave him the benefit of the doubt up until now but now I want him out.

[NC1875]

Great idea - boo them from the moment he comes out pre game

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Don’t have to boo the team.

A few renditions of Lee Johnson GTF would be a start 😂.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Raith and Ian Murray will fancy their chances against that Hibs team.

As they should, we’re more than beatable for them


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[Greenio]

The bit about fans not taking to him is mentioned a lot. Pretty straightforward reason as to why, it’s all too often we get results and performances like today. And that’s been from the moment he came in really.

Which of our managers do you think the fans have taken to?

[Pretty Boy]

He won't go tonight or anytime soon but I won't shed a solitary tear when he does. One of the best backed managers in our history and progress has been miniscule, compared to Ross it's a considerable regression and he had less support from the fanbase than LJ has.

So many alarm bells ringing it's unreal. A game plan of punt it to the corners or punt it to Dodge and a lack of basic organisation that led to the winning goal being the obvious 2.

[NC1875]

Which of our managers do you think the fans have taken to?

In recent times. Stubbs and Lennon.

[Not In The Know]

Thursday was the classic “papering over the cracks”

two horrendous displays out of 3. No hiding that was his team prepared exactly how he wanted it and it was a shambles

[Pagan Hibernia]

Which of our managers do you think the fans have taken to?

the ones who have done a decent job. McLeish, Mowbray, Stubbs, Lennon*

*sort of

[Heisenberg]

I don't see him entering the danger zone until at least the end of September.

Same here, maybe even longer.

[Stuart93]

You don't sack a manager after one game of the new season. Regardless of his levels of slaverism.

New manager seems appealing, because you think it's a silver bullet but it's a backwards step until the benefits outweigh the (significant) negatives.

His choice of trainers alone buys him until Oct!

Aye, Aberdeen must’ve felt guaranteed group stage football was a right backwards step after they emptied Goodwin.

[Clarence]

He’s survived moments that probably would have seen others sacked and seems particularly close to our CEO and DoF.

I’d be surprised if he gets sacked any time soon, though he definitely deserves.

Getting dumped out of the League Cup and / or Conference League might do it though.

Don’t know about the DoF but he is close to the CEO and they have a good working relationship. He’s not going anywhere unless we are looking like relegation material.

[SteveHFC]

Get him out.

[Not In The Know]

I'm no fan of the manager and wouldn't shed a tear if he left tomorrow but our recruitment has been absolutely shocking.

We've stuffed the squad with some very, very poor players that we now can't move on.

Just have to hope that McDermott knows what he's doing and that we can shift a few more players out to allow us to bring in more bodies as this squad and manager will struggle this year big time.


this years look decent. But fanny baws doesn’t play them in the first game . Mental.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Guaranteed he will play the starting 11 today on Thursday ☹

[Gatecrasher]

We nearly drew despite him not because of him.

[Brightside]

Playing a young boy at RB that can’t play it. Subbing him after 25 mins. Ruined the boy. Whilst dressed like a 12 year old at a wedding. I hope he had a nice breakfast in the black ivy.

[Jones28]

I’m not in the Johnson in camp by any means but you’re all in fantasy land if you think he’s going to go before his record signing has even kicked a ball for us.

Further, he gets a deserved pasting for the team selection, so does he get any credit for the changes? Just asking.

[jeffers]

Waiting on someone telling me it’s not his fault, recruitment was awful/players weren’t following instructions or some other pish. Get the little snake out of the club.

[Stuart93]

I’m not in the Johnson in camp by any means but you’re all in fantasy land if you think he’s going to go before his record signing has even kicked a ball for us.

Further, he gets a deserved pasting for the team selection, so does he get any credit for the changes? Just asking.

You seem to be getting confused between people wanting him to go and people thinking he’ll go

I want him to go but know he’ll not get sacked, not just now anyway

[hibee_girl]

Playing a young boy at RB that can’t play it. Subbing him after 25 mins. Ruined the boy. Whilst dressed like a 12 year old at a wedding. I hope he had a nice breakfast in the black ivy.

Why are folk so obsessed with what he wears? The guy behind me today spent the majority of the 90 minutes going on about what Johnson was wearing.

It doesn't make any difference to how we play :greengrin

[HarpOnHibee]

so does he get any credit for the changes? Just asking.

We still lost the game, so no.

[Heisenberg]

I’m not in the Johnson in camp by any means but you’re all in fantasy land if you think he’s going to go before his record signing has even kicked a ball for us.

Further, he gets a deserved pasting for the team selection, so does he get any credit for the changes? Just asking.

His team selection got us into the mess that required changes after 25 minutes. We still lost as well because his team fails to do the basics.

I agree though, he’s going nowhere. He survived two 3-0 pumpings from our closest rivals.

[MikeyS]

Waiting on someone telling me it’s not his fault, recruitment was awful/players weren’t following instructions or some other pish. Get the little snake out of the club.

Someone has just posted that on the other thread funnily enough!

[Chorley Hibee]

Today seals the deal. He should go for that starting team alone.

We are disorganised, uninterested and unmotivated. We look a complete shambles.

He won’t be going anywhere though. He’s too pally with Ben.

Kensall can **** off with him.

Two absolute charlatans.

[Callum_62]

Playing a young boy at RB that can’t play it. Subbing him after 25 mins. Ruined the boy. Whilst dressed like a 12 year old at a wedding. I hope he had a nice breakfast in the black ivy.Full Scottish for £13.50

Johnson out

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[blackpoolhibs]

Out, hearts midget.

[BoyledEgg]

Alarm bells were ringing after Andorra. Even worse now. Sack him and get Lenny back and get a bit of fight and heart in this team.

[I'm Spartacus]

The long diagonal ball is absolutely chronic :(
I've not heard the post match interview but guaranteed he will hang the players out to dry AGAIN.
He's clueless, he always has been, we've chucked good money at an absolute clown.

But he's going nowhere.

[B.H.F.C]

I’m not in the Johnson in camp by any means but you’re all in fantasy land if you think he’s going to go before his record signing has even kicked a ball for us.

Further, he gets a deserved pasting for the team selection, so does he get any credit for the changes? Just asking.

He won’t because we lost the game. The changes helped us play for 10-15 minutes. The shocking initial decisions were what ultimately cost us for me.

[Unseen work]

Alarm bells were ringing after Andorra. Even worse now. Sack him and get Lenny back and get a bit of fight and heart in this team.

Lennon 🤣🤣

[LewysGot2]

Why are folk so obsessed with what he wears? The guy behind me today spent the majority of the 90 minutes going on about what Johnson was wearing.

It doesn't make any difference to how we play :greengrin

It was the same with Jack Ross...weird, eh?

:agree:

[Brightside]

Why are folk so obsessed with what he wears? The guy behind me today spent the majority of the 90 minutes going on about what Johnson was wearing.

It doesn't make any difference to how we play :greengrin

Standards. Either dress in coaches gear or wear a suit. He loves this in between ready to clubbing. I’ve said I’m biased. Don’t like him. Quicker he is away.

[Brightside]

It was the same with Jack Ross...weird, eh?

:agree:

Jack was an Reiss legend

[Brightside]

He won’t because we lost the game. The changes helped us play for 10-15 minutes. The shocking initial decisions were what ultimately cost us for me.

The change at 25 or so didn’t work till 60 odds. He’s miles out of his depth. Make us hard to beat instead of thinking we are Celtic.

[NC1875]

Standards. Either dress in coaches gear or wear a suit. He loves this in between ready to clubbing. I’ve said I’m biased. Don’t like him. Quicker he is away.

Maybe he’s been out all night, straight to the game 😂😂

[WhileTheChief..]

Absolutely taking our club for a ride now.

Total fraud and imposter. Doesn’t care one iota about Hibs.

[MWHIBBIES]

Alarm bells were ringing after Andorra. Even worse now. Sack him and get Lenny back and get a bit of fight and heart in this team.

It's nothing to do with fight and heart. It's quality we lack. And a game plan. 2 things Lennon was ***** at.

[Willis1875]

From the management team up to the owners everything seems all to pally pally at the club,Can see it having to get really really bad before somebody acts and gets shot of this dud

[truehibernian]

Need a manager in who doesn’t act on sentiment, the defence is 50% of 2016 and it’s 7 years later - can’t expect success in sport unless you’re prepared to immediately recognise this and evolve the team with fresh, more energetic players. Lewy and Paul are legends in the modern day Hibs era, but it’s no surprise we are where we are until someone ditches sentiment and approaches the squad with ruthlessness. They’ve had their day in the top flight, team, particularly the defence, needs completely overhauled.

[babahibs]

Playing a young boy at RB that can’t play it. Subbing him after 25 mins. Ruined the boy. Whilst dressed like a 12 year old at a wedding. I hope he had a nice breakfast in the black ivy.

What has what he dresses like and where he had breakfast got to do with anything at all?

Weird.

[skyehibee]

We have no identity under Johnson. What style of play are we supposed to play? Long ball? High press? Defensive? Passing game? Not one game is it clear how he wants us to play. He picks an 11 and there’s no logic to how we approach that game.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Standards. Either dress in coaches gear or wear a suit. He loves this in between ready to clubbing. I’ve said I’m biased. Don’t like him. Quicker he is away.

We were spoilt with Jack Ross’ sartorial standards

[BoomtownHibees]

We have no identity under Johnson. What style of play are we supposed to play? Long ball? High press? Defensive? Passing game? Not one game is it clear how he wants us to play. He picks an 11 and there’s no logic to how we approach that game.

Correct. Folk slag Mikey Stewart for saying exactly that but he’s spot on about the lack of identity & playing style stuff

[Willis1875]

We have no identity under Johnson. What style of play are we supposed to play? Long ball? High press? Defensive? Passing game? Not one game is it clear how he wants us to play. He picks an 11 and there’s no logic to how we approach that game.

Correct,I’ve no idea what we are trying to do most weeks and it seems the players don’t either.He has brought in something like 20 odd players to the club yet we started today with something like 7 guys in the eleven that seem Ross and Maloney sacked

[southern hibby]

I’ve wrapped with him, I’d be more than happy if he goes.

I said at 2-0 down that I’d be better of at my work. I never ever thought I’d ever say anything like that when I was at a game. Booked for Switzerland and I’m not looking forward to it at all.

I might feel better tomorrow but today I’m absolutely gutted with us looking second best all over the pitch.

GGTTH

[Hibernia&Alba]

He must up his game quickly. Defeat in Andorra and at home to St Mirren just won't cut it. I can't call for his head after one league game, but we need to see an established style of play and something that resembles a plan.

[I'm Spartacus]

We have no identity under Johnson. What style of play are we supposed to play? Long ball? High press? Defensive? Passing game? Not one game is it clear how he wants us to play. He picks an 11 and there’s no logic to how we approach that game.

It's not just long straight punts though, it's a more high brow diagonal ball hahaha shambolic.

[The Modfather]

It’s difficult to have too much sympathy for Johnson when he is inevitably sacked. A matter of when not if IMO.

The midfield will see off a third manager. To only bring in Levitt is bizarre. At best he’s an upgrade on Jeggo (to be proven as for his many faults it’s clear what Jeggo does). At worst he’s just a clone of Newell and another nice footballer who doesn’t make the midfield more then the sum of its parts, and also means it’s still a lottery of 2 from Newell, JDH & Campbell.

[Hermit Crab]

The screws are tightening on his position now. Today was absolutely abysmal. Defeats next Thursday and Sunday could seal his fate actually.

[J-C]

Shocker over in Andorra, individual exuberance in the 2nd leg against part time players, where Delferriere played ok but was obviously uncomfortable in the position. LJ had the cheek to think the same 11 would work against a very well organised St Mirren who are managed by a very decent manager in Robinson, he quickly realised that a rookie DM is not the player to play RB on game 1 in the league and that Campbell apart from his goals is fairly limited as a player. Instead of stamping his own authority and game style on the game, he had to go 352 to match up St Mirren who were by far the better team. Even after the change in 25 mins, it wasn't till about 60 mins before the players woke up from their slumber.

Is it just me who thinks the players look unfit and blowing out their bums after 45 mins, the man's a blether and talks a great game, still waiting for the high press, high tempo style football, so far it's slow crap and diagonal balls over the top pish.

[Bridge hibs]

Playing a young boy at RB that can’t play it. Subbing him after 25 mins. Ruined the boy. Whilst dressed like a 12 year old at a wedding. I hope he had a nice breakfast in the black ivy.

Criticise him for gawd sake but what the hell does his clothes or him having breakfast at the Black Ivy whatever that is have to do with us losing today ?

[Lago]

Correct. Folk slag Mikey Stewart for saying exactly that but he’s spot on about the lack of identity & playing style stuff
And the weakness in the defence back line, which he pointed out on Thursday, but he was immediately accused of putting Hibs down.

[Stuart93]

And to think we’ve spent most of our summer slagging hearts for not knowing who their manager is

Unfortunately we know who ours is

[AL-Qaholik]

He’s a coward.
First on the pitch to soak up plaudits in a win.
First down the tunnel and hides for as long as he can after a defeat.
Have never liked him (or Kensell) but now actively dislike him.

[B.H.F.C]

Shocker over in Andorra, individual exuberance in the 2nd leg against part time players, where Delferriere played ok but was obviously uncomfortable in the position. LJ had the cheek to think the same 11 would work against a very well organised St Mirren who are managed by a very decent manager in Robinson, he quickly realised that a rookie DM is not the player to play RB on game 1 in the league and that Campbell apart from his goals is fairly limited as a player. Instead of stamping his own authority and game style on the game, he had to go 352 to match up St Mirren who were by far the better team. Even after the change in 25 mins, it wasn't till about 60 mins before the players woke up from their slumber.

Is it just me who thinks the players look unfit and blowing out their bums after 45 mins, the man's a blether and talks a great game, still waiting for the high press, high tempo style football, so far it's slow crap and diagonal balls over the top pish.

I thought the players looked miles off it physically today. First game of the season you expect them to look fresh. Probably doesn’t help that some are in about their 38th season and some are coming back from injuries.

[scoopyboy]

The quicker he goes the better, he is never going to be accepted by Hibs fans, better now than later.

Then Hibs fans can start shouting for the next manager to be sacked. :greengrin

[Stokesy's on fire]

He repeats his mistakes. Fish at RB at Tynecastle..Delf at RB today thats just a quick example of a repeated mistake. The guy has to go St'Mirren spent 75k..we spent nearly 2m and lost to a small pub club. Sack him.

[Stuart93]

The quicker he goes the better, he is never going to be accepted by Hibs fans, better now than later.

Then Hibs fans can start shouting for the next manager to be sacked. :greengrin

If his team was decent we’d probably accept him

[SlickShoes]

He repeates his mistakes. Fish at RB at Tynecastle..Delf at RB today thats just a quick example of a repeated mistake. The guy has to go St'Mirren spent 75k..we spent nearly 2m and lost to a small pub club. Sack him.

He doesnt even pick any of the players he signs

[Leith Green]

The quicker he goes the better, he is never going to be accepted by Hibs fans, better now than later.

Then Hibs fans can start shouting for the next manager to be sacked. :greengrin


I just cannot fathom how he has not prioritised and changed our midfield.. Its absolutely honking, has been for ages.. But left backs wingers and strikers aren’t going to fix us as a team without a proper functional midfield. No creativity, no drive , no power , Wide open on the counter .. He deserves to go on that basis alone. Next successful Hibs manager will be the man who actually knows how to get our midfield sorted out. He had the money to sort it , and all we get is dylan levit.

[B.H.F.C]

And the weakness in the defence back line, which he pointed out on Thursday, but he was immediately accused of putting Hibs down.

We got away with things on Thursday due to the level of opposition. Particularly the out of position player at right back. We let umpteen crosses in against a team from Andorra so no surprise that an actual professional team end up scoring from a cross.

[Pretty Boy]

He’s a coward.
First on the pitch to soak up plaudits in a win.
First down the tunnel and hides for as long as he can after a defeat.
Have never liked him (or Kensell) but now actively dislike him.

I said the same at the game.

Was right out in the centre circle on Thursday, nowhere to be seen today. Of course it wouldn't have been a positive reaction to him but deal with it.

I remember Pat Fenlon getting dogs abuse after we lost 1-0 at Tynecastle in the relegation (for both teams) season but he still approached the fans, applauded and took the inevitable grief. Part and parcel of the job.

[Chorley Hibee]

Shocker over in Andorra, individual exuberance in the 2nd leg against part time players, where Delferriere played ok but was obviously uncomfortable in the position. LJ had the cheek to think the same 11 would work against a very well organised St Mirren who are managed by a very decent manager in Robinson, he quickly realised that a rookie DM is not the player to play RB on game 1 in the league and that Campbell apart from his goals is fairly limited as a player. Instead of stamping his own authority and game style on the game, he had to go 352 to match up St Mirren who were by far the better team. Even after the change in 25 mins, it wasn't till about 60 mins before the players woke up from their slumber.

Is it just me who thinks the players look unfit and blowing out their bums after 45 mins, the man's a blether and talks a great game, still waiting for the high press, high tempo style football, so far it's slow crap and diagonal balls over the top pish.

Said the same about their fitness levels and the general lethargy that abounds most Hibs performances now.

That summer holiday camp in Spain looks to have worked wonders. 🙄

[Brightside]

Need a manager in who doesn’t act on sentiment, the defence is 50% of 2016 and it’s 7 years later - can’t expect success in sport unless you’re prepared to immediately recognise this and evolve the team with fresh, more energetic players. Lewy and Paul are legends in the modern day Hibs era, but it’s no surprise we are where we are until someone ditches sentiment and approaches the squad with ruthlessness. They’ve had their day in the top flight, team, particularly the defence, needs completely overhauled.

Lewis and Paul were the least of our problems.

[Manxhibs]

I’ve had time to digest that shambles and I can’t let him off the hook for that lack of performance.

1. Why he kept the same line up is beyond me, first 45 min was almost certainly a hangover from Thursdays (with players coming back from injury).
2. The lack of a plan was astounding, they’ve had a full pre-season to work on things and resulted to hoofing the ball upfield because whatever “plan” failed in the first half.
3. Defence is poor, notably full backs. I don’t think Obita looks like a full back and delf certainly doesn’t.
4. Johnson never owns up to his errors and just blames others for his failings. I’m sick of it!
5. Doidge is the only player that worked his socks off and he helped Johnson almost paper over the cracks.

Overall, tired of his version of hibs and Johnson needs to go now. Let’s give ourselves a chance for a good season.

[Stuart93]

Lewis and Paul were the least of our problems.

Tbf, according to you Paul’s always the least of our problems despite us consistently losing goals to headers from the middle of our box.

I’m guessing that’ll be everyone else’s fault though

Whereas I’d say he’s a contributing factor to our main problem, defending balls into our box

[Northernhibee]

I thought he was suspended anyway.

Deeply disappointed that wasn’t the case.

[wookie70]

Shocker over in Andorra, individual exuberance in the 2nd leg against part time players, where Delferriere played ok but was obviously uncomfortable in the position. LJ had the cheek to think the same 11 would work against a very well organised St Mirren who are managed by a very decent manager in Robinson, he quickly realised that a rookie DM is not the player to play RB on game 1 in the league and that Campbell apart from his goals is fairly limited as a player. Instead of stamping his own authority and game style on the game, he had to go 352 to match up St Mirren who were by far the better team. Even after the change in 25 mins, it wasn't till about 60 mins before the players woke up from their slumber.

Is it just me who thinks the players look unfit and blowing out their bums after 45 mins, the man's a blether and talks a great game, still waiting for the high press, high tempo style football, so far it's slow crap and diagonal balls over the top pish.

It usually doesn't take 45 minutes to get a second wind. We looked far fitter in the second half where the players looked to be trying a leg. I don't know if they either don't know how we are meant to play, disagree with it or are in the huff with the manager's style but we literally had no idea what we were doing in the first half. Players heads went down and pretty much everyone stopped moving, winning their battles and trying to influence the game. We were playing like it was a training match and that is pretty unforgiveable from the players and obviously the manger needs to take his share of the blame too. If I was kind I would say they were going through the motions at best.

The second half we were a different side and looked energetic. It can't be the legs it has to be in the head and the players lacked application in that first half. Looks to me another season where we could win the 30 minute league but will get turned over regularly because we won't turn up and games will be beyond us before we start to play.

[Leith Green]

Lewis and Paul were the least of our problems.


Midfield apart , delferriere , campbell and youan were absolutely awful today . Really really bad , youan looked like he didn’t give a flying ****

[The Modfather]

Lewis and Paul were the least of our problems.

But a part of our problems, particularly Stevenson.

[EVENTUALLY]

He repeats his mistakes. Fish at RB at Tynecastle..Delf at RB today thats just a quick example of a repeated mistake. The guy has to go St'Mirren spent 75k..we spent nearly 2m and lost to a small pub club. Sack him.

Very good point, and both mistakes cost us the game.

[Chorley Hibee]

Lewis and Paul were the least of our problems.

They've been consistently a part of the problem for a good few seasons now.

They need replaced.

[Ozyhibby]

Any amazing words of wisdom been posted by the great man since full time?


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[Steve20]

The quicker he goes the better, he is never going to be accepted by Hibs fans, better now than later.

Then Hibs fans can start shouting for the next manager to be sacked. :greengrin

Well if they’re as bad as Lee Johnson has been, you couldn’t blame people.

Don’t have a go at Hibs fans wanting better than a manager that’s shown he’s clueless.

[SteveHFC]

Any amazing words of wisdom been posted by the great man since full time?


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Don't think so at 5:40 Richard Gordon said no one from hibs had come out to speak

[Real Emerald]

Any amazing words of wisdom been posted by the great man since full time?


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The red arrows didn’t turn up again and we didn’t have enough box entries. Apart from that the stats don’t look too bad. Probably

[Stuart93]

Don't think so at 5:40 Richard Gordon said no one from hibs had come out to speak

I’m really hoping that’s cause they’re busy emptying him

[SaulGoodman]

Well if they’re as bad as Lee Johnson has been, you couldn’t blame people.

Don’t have a go at Hibs fans wanting better than a manager that’s shown he’s clueless.

Don’t have a go at someone that was clearly having a laugh

[Since452]

Unacceptable result that with the money we're spending. That's two horrendous results in three competitive games. It can't continue and I've always defended him on here. He's already put himself under huge pressure.

[Chorley Hibee]

I’m really hoping that’s cause they’re busy emptying him

Probably extending his contract knowing Kensall and the rest.

[Willis1875]

Doesn’t look like our IQ has improved much this season

[Ozyhibby]

Don't think so at 5:40 Richard Gordon said no one from hibs had come out to speak

I’m going to take that as a good sign he’s away.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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[J-C]

It usually doesn't take 45 minutes to get a second wind. We looked far fitter in the second half where the players looked to be trying a leg. I don't know if they either don't know how we are meant to play, disagree with it or are in the huff with the manager's style but we literally had no idea what we were doing in the first half. Players heads went down and pretty much everyone stopped moving, winning their battles and trying to influence the game. We were playing like it was a training match and that is pretty unforgiveable from the players and obviously the manger needs to take his share of the blame too. If I was kind I would say they were going through the motions at best.

The second half we were a different side and looked energetic. It can't be the legs it has to be in the head and the players lacked application in that first half. Looks to me another season where we could win the 30 minute league but will get turned over regularly because we won't turn up and games will be beyond us before we start to play.

Whatever it is, it needs sorting out asap. We have players in the team who are very comfortable on the ball yet look like they're incapable of playing a simple pass and then look like they can't be bothered closing down and putting pressure on the other team, it all seems to end up hoof ball for 70 mins, is this coming from the manager of are the players just incapable of following basic instructions.