The world cup thread

[HoboHarry]

How didn’t that Dutch defender see that pass, is he blind……
You being critical is a bit short sighted of you.....

[The Spaceman]

Messi is back to his best. He’s been on fire for PSG this season too. Absolute joy to watch and the greatest footballer we’ve ever seen play the game.

[Up-the-slope]

first bit of real pace injected into Argentina's play and the skill combined cuts them open,,

Fans having a party now... Brasil out and they are leading... living their best life

[Donegal Hibby]

How didn’t that Dutch defender see that pass, is he blind……
Happened in a blink of the eye😉

[bingo70]

I enjoyed the first half hour or so before the goal.

Wasn’t all action end to end stuff but it was two evenly matched sides and very tense, games that are so even and could go either way are enjoyable I think.

Realise that’s a subjective thing though and not everyone will agree

[Irish_Steve]

Happened in a blink of the eye😉

His Dad will have words with him at half time ;)

[MWHIBBIES]

Tite leaves Brazil. That dance will go down in history. Roy Keane was right. Dance when you actually achieve something

[hibsbollah]

Everything good from Holland coming from depay playing very deep.

[Donegal Hibby]

Referee's giving out plenty of cards for Xmas

[bingo70]

Everything good from Holland coming from depay playing very deep.

Argentina looking very comfortable, even with the Dutch having so much of the ball.

Wouldn’t surprise me to see them pick them off with another goal on the break.

[Stairway 2 7]

Crazy if another Argentina France final

[JamesHFC]

Crazy if another Argentina France final

I don't think they've ever played eachother in a World Cup final? France v Croatia last time.

[Donegal Hibby]

A bit disappointed with the Netherlands even though they have had 53% possession they have offered very little with one shot and none on target , Argentina have had five shots with three on target. Irish commentator says Messi has had more assists than any other player in the world cup !

[Stairway 2 7]

I don't think they've ever played eachother in a World Cup final? France v Croatia last time.

Definitely meant that Christmas night out deep. Yeah your right France Croatia then Germany Argentina

[Dmas]

VVD looks a shadow of his former self

[JamesHFC]

A bit disappointed with the Netherlands even though they have had 53% possession they have offered very little with one shot and none on target , Argentina have had five shots with three on target. Irish commentator says Messi has had more assists than any other player in the world cup !

Croatia only needed one shot on target against Brazil so you never know. I think Argentina will get another on the counter attack as the game goes on though. I think that was Messi's 2nd assist this tournament, Kane and Fernandes are on 3. Unless they were meaning in World Cup history, then possibly.

[Callum_62]

Croatia only needed one shot on target against Brazil so you never know. I think Argentina will get another on the counter attack as the game goes on though. I think that was Messi's 2nd assist this tournament, Kane and Fernandes are on 3.I'm Assuming he meant overall record at all world cups? [emoji23]

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[JamesHFC]

I'm Assuming he meant overall record at all world cups? [emoji23]

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Yeah that's what I realised after reading over it again.

[Irish_Steve]

If the ref booked the other Argentina player for deliberate hand ball, why didn’t he book Messi for doing the same???

[Up-the-slope]

messi deliberate handball... yellow card... but no because its him :confused:

[Donegal Hibby]

messi deliberate handball... yellow card... but no because its him :confused:
It's the hand of God though 😂

[JohnM1875]

Messi free kick. 2-0 incoming surely?

[Aldo]

VVD losing it there with a blatant shove on Messi!

[HoboHarry]

VVD losing it there with a blatant shove on Messi!
Should have been a booking

[Up-the-slope]

very soft free kick

[Up-the-slope]

It's the hand of God though 😂

i like Messi more than other top players as he does not dive / playact etc... but it takes something away when he gets decisions no one else would

[Aldo]

Should have been a booking

I would agree

[Donegal Hibby]

Irish commentator coming out with lots of stuff , Messi is the 2nd most fouled player in the world cup history with 65 fouls against him . Maradona is number 1.

[Sir David Gray]

Penalty Argentina.

[Mon Dieu4]

The Argentine Stevenson is having a blinder

[JoeT]

Soft

[Sir David Gray]

2-0 game over.

[Aldo]

Dutch have been pretty toothless this evening!

[Donegal Hibby]

Thought it was a definite penalty. Yass 2-0 Messi what a player :not worth

[JoeT]

1 from 3 to win it now. 1 from 2 after France game tomorrow

[Stairway 2 7]

The best

[The Spaceman]

Messi is carrying this team to glory.

[bingo70]

Dutch have been pretty toothless this evening!

Maybe Argentina defending very good though?

[Irish_Steve]

Soft

Stonewaller

[supermcginn]

Soft

Clearest penalty of the whole world cup!

[heretoday]

Dutch have nothing up front.

[cameronw-hfc]

Anyone even pretending that Ronaldo is in Messi's class looks very silly now. Leagues apart and no player in history comes close.

[Sir David Gray]

2-1

[Mon Dieu4]

Game on

[Irish_Steve]

Interesting

[Aldo]

Maybe Argentina defending very good though?

Definitely Bingo. Argentinian midfield have been really good too.

I think their change to 3 5 2 (a formation they’ve not used I believe) have caught the Dutch out.

And there you have it 1-2. Game on

[cameronw-hfc]

Definitely Bingo. Argentinian midfield have been really good too.

I think their change to 3 5 2 (a formation they’ve not used I believe) have caught the Dutch out.

And there you have it 1-2. Game on

I might be wrong but I'm sure they used it a few times in the copa America so not entirely a new system albeit a good change.

[Sir David Gray]

Thought that was 2-2!

[Mon Dieu4]

Dutch going the Egil Olsen route now

[JohnM1875]

Referee hates the Dutch eh? Can't wait to book them

[BILLYHIBS]

Eureka!

Route 1 works every time

Two giants upfront cannae go wrong

Bring back Doidgerinho

[Sir David Gray]

Riots now!

[BILLYHIBS]

It’s all kicking off

[Sir David Gray]

Argentinian should have been off.

[SteveHFC]

It’s just like a Hearts friendly this.

[Donegal Hibby]

Reminds me of a hertz friendly 😂

[Hiber-nation]

That ref has been absolutely dreadful for years, no idea how he gets to ref at this level.

[Sir David Gray]

10 minutes added on.

[BILLYHIBS]

Argentinian should have been off.
What about the big Dutch centre half ?

[Aldo]

VVD should be off

[BILLYHIBS]

What about the big Dutch centre half ?

Confirmed booking for Van Dick

[Donegal Hibby]

10 minutes added on.
Seems a bit long 🤔

[GlesgaeHibby]

That ref has been absolutely dreadful for years, no idea how he gets to ref at this level.

Spanish version of Willie Callum. Hopeless and loves the sound of his whistle.

[Jim44]

Referee hates the Dutch eh? Can't wait to book them

Spaniard ….. therefore Argentinian. Avoidable case of corruption accusations. How did FIFA not see the stupidity?

[BILLYHIBS]

That ref has been absolutely dreadful for years, no idea how he gets to ref at this level.

Maybury League standard

[bingo70]

Spaniard ….. therefore Argentinian. Avoidable case of corruption accusations. How did FIFA not see the stupidity?

How is that the same thing? Completely different countries?

What am I missing here?! 😂

[Iain G]

Spaniard ….. therefore Argentinian. Avoidable case of corruption accusations. How did FIFA not see the stupidity?

They are on different continents 🤷🤣

Spain is nearer to the Netherlands 🤣🤣

[JoeT]

Trying to work out a joke about Netherlands Steven Berghuis, Kenny Jacket and Uruguay's Sebastian Coates. They walk into CC Blooms. Is it a Berghuis what er poof Jacket or Berghuis what er poof Coates? Sorry.... I am boycotting Qatar for their anti lbtq morals. Never going there on holiday

[Sir David Gray]

Wow 2-2.

[SteveHFC]

Scenes ****ing scenes

[Mon Dieu4]

Wow just wow, what a free kick

[GlesgaeHibby]

Wow, superb drama!

[Pretty Boy]

That free kick is genius.

[JamesHFC]

The beautiful game.

[hibsbollah]

Best World Cup ever. Fact.

[JoeT]

John Collins esque

[Sir David Gray]

Fights again.

[bringbackbenny]

Some balls to take that free kick, mental!

[HoboHarry]

Well now, who saw that coming 10 minutes ago? :greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

Best World Cup ever. Fact.
Your not wrong there mate it's had everything 😉

[hibsbollah]

Salvy v Hutchy scenes at the end.

[hibsbollah]

2-0 game over.

:aok:

[J-C]

Great free kick but why don't the Netherlands play with more urgency more regularly, 1st half frustrated me with so much possession and doing nothing with it.

[BILLYHIBS]

Where did ten minutes come from ?

I can see it now beating The Huns 1-0 15 minutes injury time

[Jim44]

How is that the same thing? Completely different countries?

What am I missing here?! 😂


They are on different continents 🤷🤣

Spain is nearer to the Netherlands 🤣🤣

Proximity has nothing to do with it. Latin, mainly Spanish, roots in Argentina. Pretty obvious assumption to me.

[whiskyhibby]

Fantastic response from the Dutch, hope they win it

[Up-the-slope]

the set piece coach must get freedom of the Netherlands. pleased as some of the Argie nastiness and falling over when they should have seen it out

[The Spaceman]

That was an incredible freekick. With the last kick of the ball, 99.9999% of teams have their best FK taker trying to bend that round the wall into the corner. So, so clever.

[JohnM1875]

What a genius free kick that was! So smart and fooled everyone.

How many red cards we thinking in ET? Two at least?

[Stairway 2 7]

Where did ten minutes come from ?

I can see it now beating The Huns 1-0 15 minutes injury time

It's became farcical now. When your a team like hibs and you play the old firm it's a worrying change to football

[Up-the-slope]

Argentine players & fans look like someone has shat in their dinner.... can they recover?

[Saint Hibee]

Makes a change from somebody just thumping the free kick into the wall!

[Donegal Hibby]

Hope Argentina win this , better team , better fans and Messi.

[JohnM1875]

Hope Argentina win this , better team , better fans and Messi.

Messi should be off. No idea why he didn't get booked for the deliberate hand ball then picks up a yellow deep into injury time. Though I appreciate it doesn't work like that!

[MWHIBBIES]

Hope Argentina win this , better team , better fans and Messi.

Even after them just defending?

[Up-the-slope]

Hope Argentina win this , better team , better fans and Messi.

you mean like OF there is more of them and they make a lot of noise when they are winning.... pretty quiet now :rolleyes:

Brasil will be enjoying this after their game

[HoboHarry]

It's became farcical now. When your a team like hibs and you play the old firm it's a worrying change to football
Completely disagree. High time teams were penalised for all of the rolling around and time wasting.

[Donegal Hibby]

you mean like there is more of them and they make a lot of noise when they are winning.... pretty quiet now :rolleyes:

Brasil will be enjoying this after their game
They are still making noise at the moment . Been imo the most vocal fans at the world cup.

[Up-the-slope]

Completely disagree. High time teams were penalised for all of the rolling around and time wasting.

:agree: just hope it carries on to league games

[JeMeSouviens]

Holland turning into Burnley then equalising with a Brazil type free kick was total genius!

[JohnM1875]

Completely disagree. High time teams were penalised for all of the rolling around and time wasting.

Agree! We've had teams time wasting midway through the first half at ER this season and it's been the usual +2 first half +3 or 4 second half.

[JamesHFC]

Holland turning into Burnley then equalising with a Brazil type free kick was total genius!

Scored by a Burnley flop 😂

[hibsbollah]

Completely disagree. High time teams were penalised for all of the rolling around and time wasting.

The problem is, last game was hardly any injury time, was it 2 mins? 1 min at the first half? This 10 minutes seems arbitrary.

We need a NFL style stop clock.

[JeMeSouviens]

Scored by a Burnley flop 😂

Exactly. Perfection all round!

[ekhibee]

I probably need to be more up to date with the rules nowadays, maybe somebody can refresh me, the Dutch free kick, was that not a direct free kick? If so, it certainly looked more like an indirect free kick, the way it was taken. I'm not objecting to it, I just wondered if the rules have changed and I didn't know about it.

[Donegal Hibby]

Even after them just defending?
Defending? Argentina? Don't think so , they had more shots than the Dutch

[Up-the-slope]

generally Refs have been good so far... but this guy must be the poorest so far :confused:

[hibsbollah]

generally Refs have been good so far... but this guy must be the poorest so far :confused:

Funny thing is, first half was fair, physical, total lack of diving and nonsense, last 20 was pure hoosery and scrapping.

[Stairway 2 7]

Completely disagree. High time teams were penalised for all of the rolling around and time wasting.

Nah its the fact they are clearly making it up to prove a point, I'd prefer a stop clock. I've seen in say 4 minutes injury, nothing happen in that time and it stretch to 7. If it was consistent fine but the old firm will prosper

[JamesHFC]

Argentina got to bring Di Maria on surely?

[Donegal Hibby]

generally Refs have been good so far... but this guy must be the poorest so far :confused:
He's been shocking to be fair

[The Spaceman]

He's been shocking to be fair

He’s always garbage. Card happy as you like.

[Up-the-slope]

Funny thing is, first half was fair, physical, total lack of diving and nonsense, last 20 was pure hoosery and scrapping.

true - it was like Argies had forgotten they were supposed to exercise dark arts :greengrin... but then you need ref to be strong / fair / in control... hes non

I thought EPL refs must be pleased at last match and their rep was exceptionally good... he might even get the final.... if England are not in it :wink:

[bingo70]

World Cup quiz question I’ve just thought of but don’t know the answer to so hoping someone can help.

Has any team won the World Cup winning every game in 90 minutes?

I don’t think there’s been any in recent years but I’m no certain.

[Sir David Gray]

I probably need to be more up to date with the rules nowadays, maybe somebody can refresh me, the Dutch free kick, was that not a direct free kick? If so, it certainly looked more like an indirect free kick, the way it was taken. I'm not objecting to it, I just wondered if the rules have changed and I didn't know about it.

Yes it was a direct free kick, not sure what's making you think it was an indirect free kick.

With an indirect free kick the kicker can't shoot straight at goal but with a direct free kick you can but don't need to.

[Up-the-slope]

He's been shocking to be fair


as commentators said... this will be his last game in this WC

[Sir David Gray]

World Cup quiz question I’ve just thought of but don’t know the answer to so hoping someone can help.

Has any team won the World Cup winning every game in 90 minutes?

I don’t think there’s been any in recent years but I’m no certain.

Brazil 2002.

[hibsbollah]

Dumfries seems to have taken a step backwards since the last euros.

[hibsbollah]

Worst decision yet. Yellow card for a Beautiful challenge by the defender.

[JamesHFC]

Dumfries seems to have taken a step backwards since the last euros.

Was excellent against USA but wasn't as effective all the other games I've watched him.

[Sergio sledge]

Nah its the fact they are clearly making it up to prove a point, I'd prefer a stop clock. I've seen in say 4 minutes injury, nothing happen in that time and it stretch to 7. If it was consistent fine but the old firm will prosper

To be fair, in the second half of this game we had 6 substitutions (30 secs a piece), 2 goal celebrations (1min each), the scuffle when the Argentinian player kicked the ball into the subs (1.5mins) and a couple of injury stoppages that I remember (say 30 secs each). That's 7.5 mins of stoppage time already before you even start counting time for goal kicks, throw ins, time wasting etc. I think 10mins was probably reasonable.

[Hibees1973]

These Argies make me sick.

Hasn't been helpded by a shocking ref. How Messi was not booked for that deliberate hand ball was astonishing. The look on Van Dijk's face when he looked at the ref when no card was shown said it all.

[Up-the-slope]

what was free kick for there in box :rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

These Argies make me sick.

Hasn't been helpded by a shocking ref. How Messi was not booked for that deliberate hand ball was astonishing. The look on Van Dijk's face when he looked at the ref when no card was shown said it all.

The Dutch have been equally spicy imo. Not far off the 2010 final team in ****housery stakes.

[Since452]

This commentator seems desperate for Argentina to win. Come on the Dutch.

[bingo70]

Brazil 2002.

Brilliant, cheers

[Aldo]

These Argies make me sick.

Hasn't been helpded by a shocking ref. How Messi was not booked for that deliberate hand ball was astonishing. The look on Van Dijk's face when he looked at the ref when no card was shown said it all.

VVD should be off so don’t know what he’s got to complaint about!

[Stairway 2 7]

To be fair, in the second half of this game we had 6 substitutions (30 secs a piece), 2 goal celebrations (1min each), the scuffle when the Argentinian player kicked the ball into the subs (1.5mins) and a couple of injury stoppages that I remember (say 30 secs each). That's 7.5 mins of stoppage time already before you even start counting time for goal kicks, throw ins, time wasting etc. I think 10mins was probably reasonable.

That is utterly ridiculous. A fine post to show we need stop clocks or another system

[Mon Dieu4]

Weird performance by the Dutch, you would think they would be on the ascendancy after equalising late on but it's like they are cool with just playing for penalties

[Sergio sledge]

That is utterly ridiculous. A fine pos6to show we need stop clocks or another system

Definitely need a stop clock, would make everything more transparent for the fans. But since when have the football authorities cared about transparency for the fans?

[hibsbollah]

What a game.

[Sir David Gray]

Penalties.

[Donegal Hibby]

Penalty's again. Have a bad feeling the Dutch are going to win this :rolleyes:

[Stairway 2 7]

Definitely need a stop clock, would make everything more transparent for the fans. But since when have the football authorities cared about transparency for the fans?

Depends how much you pay ha. Certainly enjoyable to watch at least. Just my hibs coloured specks worried about getting done

[Onion]

Weird performance by the Dutch, you would think they would be on the ascendancy after equalising late on but it's like they are cool with just playing for penalties

Correct, exactly same with Croatia with one shot on target, the Dutch had 2 on target all game. Argentina only team pressing to win the match.

[hibsbollah]

Vdd perfect pen perfect save.
Messi so cool.

[cameronw-hfc]

Emi Martinez is one of the best in the world in his role. An absolute freak of a keeper.

[ekhibee]

Yes it was a direct free kick, not sure what's making you think it was an indirect free kick.

With an indirect free kick the kicker can't shoot straight at goal but with a direct free kick you can but don't need to.

Fair dues, I thought with a direct free kick it had to be a shot on goal, but I stand corrected.

[Callum_62]

Messi, top drawer

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[SteveHFC]

Holland deserve to go out for those first 2 pens.

[hibsbollah]

Martinez unbelievable saves

[Since452]

Cannot stand Argentina

[hibsbollah]

Holland deserve to go out for those first 2 pens.

Eh? Great pens, great saves.

[JeMeSouviens]

Martinez unbelievable saves

Loganesque!

[Broken Gnome]

"Straight down the middle."

Pearce is just weird.

[cameronw-hfc]

Martinez unbelievable saves

He's a freak. Especially at pens.

[Aldo]

Fight fight fight

[Onion]

The right result. Come on the Argies :thumbsup:

[hibsbollah]

He's a freak. Especially at pens.

Amazing that he was a reserve for so long.

[Jones28]

"Straight down the middle."

Pearce is just weird.

I like him but that was bizarre

[Sir David Gray]

2-0 game over.

Never in doubt. :smug:

[Stairway 2 7]

"Straight down the middle."

Pearce is just weird.

Glad it wasn't just me ha

[Donegal Hibby]

The right result. Come on the Argies :thumbsup:
Best team are thru :agree:. It could be a Messi world cup yet :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

Intense game that. Enjoyed it. Will be an absolute war between Argentina and Croatia. 2 sides who will give everything.

[Stairway 2 7]

Disappointed with Holland, Argentina wanted it more in 100 and whatever minutes.

Croatia will try to hold them, will be close

[cameronw-hfc]

Amazing that he was a reserve for so long.


Guy went from a reserve, to Villa picking him up and having a freak first season at Villa, won the copa America as the star man(with Messi), another freak season at Villa and only 3 years after being a reserve he's been linked with atleti and Barca this year.

Meteoric rise for him. Top 5 best GK in the world imo, Villa are just very lucky he's said he's not going anywhere, otherwise think there would be teams after him left right and centre. He's adored at Villa park and already considered one of if not the clubs best ever GK. Cannot stress enough how special he is, everyone's only just starting to notice now though.

[The Spaceman]

A real test of character for Argentina that. Will stand them in good stead. Can’t see them losing to Croatia and the final will be anybodies game. Has been some WC for entertainment on the pitch so far.

[Gatecrasher]

Hope Croatia punt those pricks out, along with with their flappy wristed fans.

[bingo70]

I think Croatia might beat Brazil. They know how to win games like this and still have plenty quality, suits them better Brazil being favourites I think. Obviously by no means a banker, I just wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a wee shock tomorrow.

I think Argentina will beat Holland. Two very even sides but Argentina have Messi who will make the difference.

In the other games I think England will beat France, England on their day capable of beating anybody (I don’t think they’ll beat 3 big guns in a row though) and there’s a reason teams rarely win two world cups in a row, France will get put out before the final and every chance England will do it IMO.

Portugal to beat Morroco in the other game doesn’t need much explanation.

For everyone following todays tips, you’re very welcome.

Let’s hope tomorrow’s predictions aren’t as accurate 😂

[MWHIBBIES]

Guy went from a reserve, to Villa picking him up and having a freak first season at Villa, won the copa America as the star man(with Messi), another freak season at Villa and only 3 years after being a reserve he's been linked with atleti and Barca this year.

Meteoric rise for him. Top 5 best GK in the world imo, Villa are just very lucky he's said he's not going anywhere, otherwise think there would be teams after him left right and centre. He's adored at Villa park and already considered one of if not the clubs best ever GK. Cannot stress enough how special he is, everyone's only just starting to notice now though.

He's very good, but he's not top 5 in the world. 3 better in the premier league at least. He'd be 3rd choice for Brazil and Germany at this tournament.

He's a clutch keeper who has big big moments, but makes his share of howlers for villa too.

[cameronw-hfc]

He's very good, but he's not top 5 in the world. 3 better in the premier league at least.

He's a clutch keeper who has big big moments, but makes his share of howlers for villa too.

He's made 2/3 mistakes for Villa the whole time he's been at the club, defo doesn't make his share of howlers. I see him every week, he's criminally underrated. Some of the saves he consistently pulls off, as a keeper myself are just breathtaking to watch. Maybe not top 5, definitely top 10 though. Prem only better keepers I would say are Ederson and Alison. Over 2/3 seasons to only make 2/3 mistakes, he's scary consistent, very clutch, technically he's a joke. I've never claimed a Villa player to be one of the best in the world in their role, but Emi is.

[JeMeSouviens]

A real test of character for Argentina that. Will stand them in good stead. Can’t see them losing to Croatia and the final will be anybodies game. Has been some WC for entertainment on the pitch so far.

Messi hand of god pt 2 vs Eng in final would be the icing on the cake. :wink:

[hibsbollah]

He's very good, but he's not top 5 in the world. 3 better in the premier league at least. He'd be 3rd choice for Brazil and Germany at this tournament.

He's a clutch keeper who has big big moments, but makes his share of howlers for villa too.

Two Full stretch saves in the most high pressure environment imaginable, taking your team to the World Cup semi finals, plus what he achieved in the copa, tells me top five in the world is a fair shout. I’d like a keeper who is ‘clutch in big moments’. That’s how you win stuff.

[HoboHarry]

He's very good, but he's not top 5 in the world. 3 better in the premier league at least. He'd be 3rd choice for Brazil and Germany at this tournament.

He's a clutch keeper who has big big moments, but makes his share of howlers for villa too.
I see a lot of Villa (only on telly of course) but I don't agree with that, howlers are a rare thing for him.

[cameronw-hfc]

I see a lot of Villa (only on telly of course) but I don't agree with that, howlers are a rare thing for him.

As a Villa fan, I can only think of the Utd blunder. The thing that makes him so special is his ability to consistently perform at a freak level, pulling off match winning saves on the regular. He's the furthest thing from a keeper who makes his share of howlers.

[JamesHFC]

As a Villa fan, I can only think of the Utd blunder. The thing that makes him so special is his ability to consistently perform at a freak level, pulling off match winning saves on the regular. He's the furthest thing from a keeper who makes his share of howlers.

Had an excellent first season under Smith but that's about it from what I've seen. Lloris, Ramsdale & Mendy had a better season than him last season, many keepers are having a better season than him this season. He's a very good goalkeeper but I wouldn't consider him top 3 in the PL.

[MWHIBBIES]

Two Full stretch saves in the most high pressure environment imaginable, taking your team to the World Cup semi finals, plus what he achieved in the copa, tells me top five in the world is a fair shout. I’d like a keeper who is ‘clutch in big moments’. That’s how you win stuff.

He's a very good goalie. Of course we all think he's the bollocks after that. Livakovic was better earlier, though.

Allison, Ederson, Neuer, Maignan, Courtois are the top dogs, though.

He's in the group below that with loads of others imo. Not much between 10/15.

[Donegal Hibby]

For everyone following todays tips, you’re very welcome.

Let’s hope tomorrow’s predictions aren’t as accurate 😂
Been spot on up to now hope your predictions come undone soon though 🤞

[hibsbollah]

He's a very good goalie. Of course we all think he's the bollocks after that. Livakovic was better earlier, though.

Allison, Ederson, Neuer, Maignan, Courtois are the top dogs, though.

He's in the group below that with loads of others imo. Not much between 10/15.

Livakovic was actually sensational. I think he made every kind of save. I never watched much of Zagreb although I noted their great results this season but **** me that was an amazing display earlier.

Add Bono to the mix and it’s been quite the tournament for keepers.

[uwxm07]

Disappointed with Holland, Argentina wanted it more in 100 and whatever minutes.

Croatia will try to hold them, will be close

Calling The Netherlands “Holland “ is pretty much the same as calling Great Britain “England” .. There are 8 other regions in addition to Holland ( north and south) in The Netherlands so 10 in total. Just saying for future reference

[bingo70]

Been spot on up to now hope your predictions come undone soon though 🤞

Can you guess how much I’ve won at the bookies today though?

Think I should put my money where my mouth is tomorrow 😂

[cameronw-hfc]

Livakovic was actually sensational. I think he made every kind of save. I never watched much of Zagreb although I noted their great results this season but **** me that was an amazing display earlier.

Add Bono to the mix and it’s been quite the tournament for keepers.

He's really burst onto the scene the last year or two. Use to be a good prospect that had too many mistakes in him, now he's a real solid choice and imagine there will be prem clubs looking now.

[Stairway 2 7]

Calling The Netherlands “Holland “ is pretty much the same as calling Great Britain “England” .. There are 8 other regions in addition to Holland ( north and south) in The Netherlands so 10 in total. Just saying for future reference

I'll try to remember for next time, but might not. Got mates from the North of Netherlands who tell me, but at the same time they say its not like calling uk England as they don't care, so they might enable my ignorance

[Donegal Hibby]

Can you guess how much I’ve won at the bookies today though?

Think I should put my money where my mouth is tomorrow 😂
Minute you do mate it will probably go all wrong though 😉.
Nice touch by Ivan perisic's kid and the Luka modric ones quite funny in all .
https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1601275425040523264

[bingo70]

Minute you do mate it will probably go all wrong though 😉.
Nice touch by Ivan perisic's kid and the Luka modric ones quite funny in allhttps://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1601275425040523264

Exactly 😜

[uwxm07]

I'll try to remember for next time, but might not. Got mates from the North of Netherlands who tell me, but at the same time they say its not like calling uk England as they don't care, so they might enable my ignorance

Worked in NL for six years , born and brought up East of the Maybury roundabout , lived in Engerland for half my life , married into the same then lived in Asia & Africa before returning to East Lothian …as a global citizen I get a bit sensitive about this stuff.
Not overly PC but I do my best never to offend on race or identity and very proud my kids are colour and religion blind

[Donegal Hibby]

I've been thinking on the today's games and am delighted to have watched two of the best players in the world (Modric & Messi) who have been for years . Not only are they the world best but at there ages 37 & 34 they have shown they are ultimate professionals and team players imo . Tomorrow we have a chance to see another one ( Ronaldo) I'm hoping he puts the other stuff behind him and goes out and does what he does best though sadly I've me doubts that he isn't a team player like the other two and there's issues with him now . Hope I'm wrong though.

[bingo70]

I've been thinking on the today's games and am delighted to have watched two of the best players in the world (Modric & Messi) who have been for years . Not only are they the world best but at there ages 37 & 34 they have shown they are ultimate professionals and team players imo . Tomorrow we have a chance to see another one ( Ronaldo) I'm hoping he puts the other stuff behind him and goes out and does what he does best though sadly I've me doubts that he isn't a team player like the other two and there's issues with him now . Hope I'm wrong though.

Funny (and sad) to think the next World Cup will be a completely different tournament without them. Really is the end of a generation with a few of the greatest to have kicked a ball ever.

I know that new icons will be born but I’m not as interested in world football as I was in the past 20 years. I believe Spain have a couple of really exciting young players at this tournament, Argentina have a young lad at Man City and think Germany have a guy who maybe could have played for England who’s meant to be a bit special but I couldn’t tell you any of their names and I’d walk past every one of them in the street.

I’m not saying the World Cup standard will get any worse but for people of my age who grew up with Messi, Ronaldo, Modric etc this really is the end of an era and I think I might cry now.

[Donegal Hibby]

Funny (and sad) to think the next World Cup will be a completely different tournament without them. Really is the end of a generation with a few of the greatest to have kicked a ball ever.

I know that new icons will be born but I’m not as interested in world football as I was in the past 20 years. I believe Spain have a couple of really exciting young players at this tournament, Argentina have a young lad at Man City and think Germany have a guy who maybe could have played for England who’s meant to be a bit special but I couldn’t tell you any of their names and I’d walk past every one of them in the street.

I’m not saying the World Cup standard will get any worse but for people of my age who grew up with Messi, Ronaldo, Modric etc this really is the end of an era and I think I might cry now.
It is sad in a way though we can always say we have watched them and enjoyed there excellent football and it's not over yet mate , Messi v Modric will be tasty . I'd absolutely love if Ronaldo hits his A-game as well , been a joy to watch the 3 of them over the years :not worth

[SteveHFC]

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[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/ultra_suristic/status/1601344741584535554?s=46&t=Pcg0FFC-Jah_I2hih4ocqw

Messi having a go at the Dutch.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/ultra_suristic/status/1601344741584535554?s=46&t=Pcg0FFC-Jah_I2hih4ocqw

Messi having a go at the Dutch.

They both behaved poorly all the way through extra time and penalties. I didn't mind that in the world of sanitised footballers, brilliant game

[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/ultra_suristic/status/1601344741584535554?s=46&t=Pcg0FFC-Jah_I2hih4ocqw

Messi having a go at the Dutch.

The Dutch were being pricks, goading and diving all night. We’re told by the descendants of Alf Ramsey that the Dutch are the proponents of the beautiful game and the Argentinians are scheming cheats so often it’s easy to be hoodwinked :greengrin

Remember the 2010 final when they tried to kick Spain up and down for 90 minutes?

The real problem last night was the ref, who seemed to be determined to make himself the main story and seemed to get everything wrong.

[Since452]

https://twitter.com/ultra_suristic/status/1601344741584535554?s=46&t=Pcg0FFC-Jah_I2hih4ocqw

Messi having a go at the Dutch.

Have a go at them in Spanish. That'll show them.

[The Spaceman]

Have a go at them in Spanish. That'll show them.

He doesn’t speak English. Shame on him eh. Bet the Dutch were winding him up in Spanish 🥴

[JohnM1875]

https://twitter.com/ultra_suristic/status/1601344741584535554?s=46&t=Pcg0FFC-Jah_I2hih4ocqw

Messi having a go at the Dutch.

Imagine this was Ronaldo 😂.

Messi will get away with it without much being said, just like he got away with that ridiculous hand ball.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Cannot stand Argentina

Just as Brazil represent the South American flair, Argentina (and Uruguay) have traditionally demonstrated the cynicism of the continent in relation to football. Never shy of using the dark arts to win a game. I didn't see last night's match, but I understand why you find it hard to warm to Argentina: their style of play isn't all Maradona and Messi, they will win by any means necessary.

[Hibernia&Alba]

So, are we all supporting England tonight? :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

He doesn’t speak English. Shame on him eh. Bet the Dutch were winding him up in Spanish 🥴

:greengrin

[heretoday]

So, are we all supporting England tonight? :greengrin

No. I've nothing against the English team or their fans. It's their press and commentators I cannot abide.

[Hibernia&Alba]

No. I've nothing against the English team or their fans. It's their press and commentators I cannot abide.

I'm half-English and I do have a problem with some (not all) of their fans. Their far-right element persists; remember the booing of players taking the knee recently.

[JohnM1875]

No. I've nothing against the English team or their fans. It's their press and commentators I cannot abide.

That's it for me as well. I actually really like a lot of the players in the England squad and if it wasn't for the press and an element of their fans I’d be fine with them winning it.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

So, are we all supporting England tonight? :greengrin

Hope they get f****d

[Donegal Hibby]

No. I've nothing against the English team or their fans. It's their press and commentators I cannot abide.
I'm pretty much the same . Find there press and commentator's insufferable :rolleyes:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Hope they get f****d

:greengrin

You can't say that in Loyalist Renfrew. I would have thought half the houses have England flags hingin oot the windae.

[hibsbollah]

:sauzee:

[Sir David Gray]

No problem with the players or manager or indeed the English people in general but the media spoils it for me so for that reason - Vive La France.

[sleeping giant]

I have no problem with the English media talking their team up.
Wish our pundits would do the same with us.

Still hope they get humped though.

[bingo70]

No. I've nothing against the English team or their fans. It's their press and commentators I cannot abide.

I’ve got jambo mates who are good guys, I still want Hearts to get pumped every time they play though.

Same applies to England. England is a great country with loads of great people (and no shortage of ********s), I still want them to get pumped though as that’s how sporting rivalry works and in all honesty gives me a real interest in major tournaments these days 😂

[Pagan Hibernia]

Just as Brazil represent the South American flair, Argentina (and Uruguay) have traditionally demonstrated the cynicism of the continent in relation to football. Never shy of using the dark arts to win a game. I didn't see last night's match, but I understand why you find it hard to warm to Argentina: their style of play isn't all Maradona and Messi, they will win by any means necessary.

That’s the stereotype. And like all stereotypes there’s nuggets of truth and a lot of bollocks.

Argentina have often played with flair, as well as the dark arts. And in the 40 years since Socrates Brazil have often been turgid to watch. And they’re not averse to the occasional cynical foul and gamesmanship themselves

[Lago]

Cannot stand Argentina
Love them.

[bingo70]

That’s the stereotype. And like all stereotypes there’s nuggets of truth and a lot of bollocks.

Argentina have often played with flair, as well as the dark arts. And in the 40 years since Socrates Brazil have often been turgid to watch. And they’re not averse to the occasional cynical foul and gamesmanship themselves

Is Argentinian football not meant to be a mix of Italian and Brazilian? Sure it was started there in a port there that brought together a mix of European and South American styles.

I love it and hope they win the tournament.

Something that I always wonder about Argentinian football is the lack of black players. For a country with so much immigration (i think?) and borders Brazil, I can’t think of any black players that have played for them?

[Pagan Hibernia]

The Dutch were being pricks, goading and diving all night. We’re told by the descendants of Alf Ramsey that the Dutch are the proponents of the beautiful game and the Argentinians are scheming cheats so often it’s easy to be hoodwinked :greengrin

Remember the 2010 final when they tried to kick Spain up and down for 90 minutes?

The real problem last night was the ref, who seemed to be determined to make himself the main story and seemed to get everything wrong.

yeah, the Dutch arguably haven’t played traditional ‘Dutch Football’ since Euro 2000. I thought they were shocking last night for 82 minutes, not even in the game, then got lucky with the old ‘hoof it and hope’ when the Argentinians panicked. The equaliser was a fabulously worked free kick mind you.

the Dutch really threw away the momentum in extra time. Argentina were clearly on the ropes yet the Netherlands inexplicably decided to sit back again passively, as they had done for most of the game.

[MWHIBBIES]

Is Argentinian football not meant to be a mix of Italian and Brazilian? Sure it was started there in a port there that brought together a mix of European and South American styles.

I love it and hope they win the tournament.

Something that I always wonder about Argentinian football is the lack of black players. For a country with so much immigration (i think?) and borders Brazil, I can’t think of any black players that have played for them?

1% of the population is black. Never going to be many with that percentage.

[Donegal Hibby]

:sauzee:
Take it you are a ABE like me?🤔

[bingo70]

1% of the population is black. Never going to be many with that percentage.

Thanks.

Even that stat a bit strange though is it not? You’d have thought there would be natural movement from black Brazilians across the border (I can’t think what other countries Argentina borders?)

Dare say there’s social and cultural reasons for it and I’m not wanting to offend anybody by bringing it up, jus seems a bit strange.

[Lago]

Is Argentinian football not meant to be a mix of Italian and Brazilian? Sure it was started there in a port there that brought together a mix of European and South American styles.

I love it and hope they win the tournament.

Something that I always wonder about Argentinian football is the lack of black players. For a country with so much immigration (i think?) and borders Brazil, I can’t think of any black players that have played for them?
Started in Buenos Aires, by British workers. When I was in B. A. I remember being told Argentina is populated by Italians who speak Spanish 😊

[hibsbollah]

Is Argentinian football not meant to be a mix of Italian and Brazilian? Sure it was started there in a port there that brought together a mix of European and South American styles.

I love it and hope they win the tournament.

Something that I always wonder about Argentinian football is the lack of black players. For a country with so much immigration (i think?) and borders Brazil, I can’t think of any black players that have played for them?

I also love the Argentinian mentality. They have a hyper ‘macho’ stereotype which doesn’t really bother me particularly but I get why it annoys some people. There’s a lot of talk about the ‘Latin temperament’ from Italian and Spanish emigration there but there’s also a massive Irish and Scottish legacy in Argentina; my own ancestors went across there at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries because there was lots of (stolen from the indigenous peoples) land that could be worked when there wasn’t much work here. That legacy lives on, there’s Scottish schools in Buenos Ayres now and the foreign minister is called Murphy and you saw McAllister on the pitch last night.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Is Argentinian football not meant to be a mix of Italian and Brazilian? Sure it was started there in a port there that brought together a mix of European and South American styles.

I love it and hope they win the tournament.

Something that I always wonder about Argentinian football is the lack of black players. For a country with so much immigration (i think?) and borders Brazil, I can’t think of any black players that have played for them?

football was brought there by the English sailors, but on the potreros (small patches of wasteland in Buenos Aires) the ‘locals’, impoverished Italian and Spanish immigrants, learned to play their own style, which unlike the English version favouring strength, speed and athleticism as well as old public school notions of sportsmanship, centred instead on possession, close control, and using tricks to evade your marker. That was the traditional Argentine style. Then they suffered an embarrassment at the 1958 World Cup and their football took on a more cynical edge, while still keeping elements from before.

As for the lack of black players, it’s a lack of a black population generally to be honest. Buenos Aires has one of the whitest populations you’ll see anywhere. Argentina’s treatment of black slaves and their descendants, as well as their own indigenous population was shameful in the 1800s.

if you like Argentine football (and I love it) Jonathan Wilson’s ‘Angels with Dirty Faces’ is a superb book.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I also love the Argentinian mentality. They have a hyper ‘macho’ stereotype which doesn’t really bother me particularly but I get why it annoys some people. There’s a lot of talk about the ‘Latin temperament’ from Italian and Spanish emigration there but there’s also a massive Irish and Scottish legacy in Argentina; my own ancestors went across there at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries because there was lots of (stolen from the indigenous peoples) land that could be worked when there wasn’t much work here. That legacy lives on, there’s Scottish schools in Buenos Ayres now and the foreign minister is called Murphy and you saw McAllister on the pitch last night.

and theres still entire Welsh villages down in Patagonia

[bingo70]

football was brought there by the English sailors, but on the potreros (small patches of wasteland in Buenos Aires) the ‘locals’, impoverished Italian and Spanish immigrants, learned to play their own style, which unlike the English version favouring strength, speed and athleticism as well as old public school notions of sportsmanship, centred instead on possession, close control, and using tricks to evade your marker. That was the traditional Argentine style. Then they suffered an embarrassment at the 1958 World Cup and their football took on a more cynical edge, while still keeping elements from before.

As for the lack of black players, it’s a lack of a black population generally to be honest. Buenos Aires has one of the whitest populations you’ll see anywhere. Argentina’s treatment of black slaves and their descendants, as well as their own indigenous population was shameful in the 1800s.

if you like Argentine football (and I love it) Jonathan Wilson’s ‘Angels with Dirty Faces’ is a superb book.

Brilliant, really interesting that.

Cheers

[Hibernia&Alba]

That’s the stereotype. And like all stereotypes there’s nuggets of truth and a lot of bollocks.

Argentina have often played with flair, as well as the dark arts. And in the 40 years since Socrates Brazil have often been turgid to watch. And they’re not averse to the occasional cynical foul and gamesmanship themselves

That's very true, but there is certainly a history of cynical defending in South America. It's probably a cultural thing, an idea that you win no matter what. It isn't unique to that part of the world, of course; the Italians are masters at it.

[MWHIBBIES]

Thanks.

Even that stat a bit strange though is it not? You’d have thought there would be natural movement from black Brazilians across the border (I can’t think what other countries Argentina borders?)

Dare say there’s social and cultural reasons for it and I’m not wanting to offend anybody by bringing it up, jus seems a bit strange.

You're possibly right, can't say I have any knowledge on it.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

:greengrin

You can't say that in Loyalist Renfrew. I would have thought half the houses have England flags hingin oot the windae.

You're not far off the mark there!

Still I hope they get f****d

[Billy Whizz]

That's very true, but there is certainly a history of cynical defending in South America. It's probably a cultural thing, an idea that you win no matter what. It isn't unique to that part of the world, of course; the Italians are masters at it.

The Italians, Argentinians and Uruguayan’s all love a foul

[hibsbollah]

and theres still entire Welsh villages down in Patagonia

...so you could equally blame any perceived Argentina dirty play on 'celtic' rather than 'latin' temperament :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

The Italians, Argentinians and Uruguayan’s all love a foul

I blame Catholicism :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

I blame Catholicism :greengrin

:agree: The stauncher the prod the more fair and sporting they are. Kyle Lafferty a fine upstanding example :agree:

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I also love the Argentinian mentality. They have a hyper ‘macho’ stereotype which doesn’t really bother me particularly but I get why it annoys some people. There’s a lot of talk about the ‘Latin temperament’ from Italian and Spanish emigration there but there’s also a massive Irish and Scottish legacy in Argentina; my own ancestors went across there at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries because there was lots of (stolen from the indigenous peoples) land that could be worked when there wasn’t much work here. That legacy lives on, there’s Scottish schools in Buenos Ayres now and the foreign minister is called Murphy and you saw McAllister on the pitch last night.


Independiente, the club of Sergio Aguero and the most successful Argentinian side in terms of international honours was founded by Scots. Many of their away kits have been dark blue with a St.Andrews Cross crest.

The vast majority if Argentinians have either, Italian, Spanish or German origins. There weren't huge numbers of African Slaves compared to say Brazil or Colombia and even the indigenous population's weren't as large in numbers as the northern, tropical half of the continent so you ain't going to have many dark skinned players.

Argentinians like to think if themselves as Italians who speak Spannish, aspire to be English upper class but have the attitudes of the French.

Maradona did have African genes, he often talked about how his father had to overcome racism in his life.

[Hibernia&Alba]

:agree: The stauncher the prod the more fair and sporting they are. Kyle Lafferty a fine upstanding example :agree:

Indeed, The Rangers have never been cynical in their ten years of existence. Unsurpassed bigotry, I mean dignity. :greengrin

[Pagan Hibernia]

That's very true, but there is certainly a history of cynical defending in South America. It's probably a cultural thing, an idea that you win no matter what. It isn't unique to that part of the world, of course; the Italians are masters at it.

absolutely. Different mentality completely.

they loved the ‘hand of god’. They took great delight in it. Not only because it helped defeat the (as they see it) imperialist English, but also because the ability to deceive a referee, or any source of established authority for that matter, and get away with it is something that is very much admired. In a country where corruption runs through every institution like a stick of rock, I can’t say that mentality surprises me, even if I don’t agree with it myself.

italia 90 was another example. There is considerable evidence that during a break in play in the game against Brazil the Argentine bench chucked a water bottle laced with tranquillisers at the Brazilian player Branco, who happily drunk from it, and was fit for nothing the rest of the game, which Argentina won late on.

the Argentines love talking and laughing about that incident, where most other nations would be embarrassed or ashamed.

I don’t agree with cheating, but I find it fascinating. They relish the role of pantomime villains.

[bigwheel]

absolutely. Different mentality completely.

they loved the ‘hand of god’. They took great delight in it. Not only because it helped defeat the (as they see it) imperialist English, but also because the ability to deceive a referee, or any source of established authority for that matter, and get away with it is something that is very much admired. In a country where corruption runs through every institution like a stick of rock, I can’t say that mentality surprises me, even if I don’t agree with it myself.

italia 90 was another example. There is considerable evidence that during a break in play in the game against Brazil the Argentine bench chucked a water bottle laced with tranquillisers at the Brazilian player Branco, who happily drunk from it, and was fit for nothing the rest of the game, which Argentina won late on.

the Argentines love talking and laughing about that incident, where most other nations would be embarrassed or ashamed.

I don’t agree with cheating, but I find it fascinating. They relish the role of pantomime villains.

Really interesting that..your post made me Google some reporting on it…hadn’t heard about it before. Crazy extreme behaviour that..and true by all accounts.


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[Irish_Steve]

Bit conflicted here, would love Morocco to win but that could mean an Eng/Morocco semi - balls

[Sir David Gray]

Bit conflicted here, would love Morocco to win but that could mean an Eng/Morocco semi - balls

Portugal please, just in case!

[Irish_Steve]

Portugal please, just in case!

Exactly but gotta love an underdog

[green day]

The Moroccan booing and whistling was annoying against Spain, and its no less annoying now.

Bairns

[Sir David Gray]

Moroccan should have done better with his header.

[EGL2000]

The Moroccan booing and whistling was annoying against Spain, and its no less annoying now.

Bairns

I'm all for it, why not create a hostile atmosphere for opposition.

[eastterrace]

Why has ITV got Morocco spelt with MAR as in Marocco somebody need to learn the countries at ITV

[marinello59]

Why has ITV got Morocco spelt with MAR as in Marocco somebody need to learn the countries at ITV

That’s the correct abbreviation.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the only side in the competition where their fans constantly boo the opposition


imagine listening to that in a final it would ruin it, not forgetting they would probably riot in various countries, especially Belgium


mon Portugal


then again, if they're in he final it would mean england aren't, so fire away :)

[Sir David Gray]

Why has ITV got Morocco spelt with MAR as in Marocco somebody need to learn the countries at ITV

Maroc is the French name for Morocco and French is widely used in Morocco.

Same with NED being the abbreviation for the Netherlands as the country is called Nederland in Dutch.

[Sir David Gray]

1-0 Morocco

[SteveHFC]

1-0 Morocco

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh ****


keeper

[OldEast]

Why has ITV got Morocco spelt with MAR as in Marocco somebody need to learn the countries at ITV

Or even before posting on a forum

[SteveHFC]

Just really hope France qualify tonight.

[Aldo]

Superb header!

Morocco have been very good

[Green Reaper]

Some jump and header that

[EGL2000]

That's some spring there, game on!

[LaMotta]

Can't believe the ref hasn't booked anyone yet. Should have been at least 3 bookings so far. Gone the opposite way from last nights ref.

[Sir David Gray]

Just really hope France qualify tonight.

I think we know how this is going to play out.

[EGL2000]

Portuguese rolling around like it's a drama class.

[essexhibee]

I think we know how this is going to play out.

England are getting Morocco in a WC semi.

Why couldn’t they do a hibs and do a 100year plus. Unfair :greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

Horrendous mistake by Portuguese keeper for the goal unfortunately.

[SteveHFC]

I think we know how this is going to play out.

Hopefully Mbappe scores a couple tonight.

[marinello59]

Hopefully Mbappe scores a couple tonight.

Own goals probably. It’s coming home. :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

First African (or Islamic) nation to make it to a semi final as it stands. Nice interplay leading to the goal but the keeper got it wrong.

[Aldo]

Theatrics have started by the Portuguese. I’m expecting them to put pressure on the officials at every opportunity

[Irish_Steve]

Pepe really is a tit