Next Hibs Manager

[WhileTheChief..]

Coming from lower league Englandshire and has a boring name.

Exactly.

He's a nobody that probably had to use Google to find out what / who Hibs are.

There is absolutely nothing about him that suggests he should be our manager.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I think any manager we get is going to be using us as a stepping stone to something bigger, is there even a candidate that just wants to be Hibs manager and stay here forever?


There is nothing wrong with that approach for Managers and Players. Come to our club and apply yourself and see where you can get to.

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm not going to fret over this. It'll be who it'll be. It's going to be someone with managerial experience so I'm happy to back whoever it is.

Wish I felt similar.

Maloney was obviously never going to work so I'd at least like to have a bit of hope this time around before it all goes horribly wrong.

At first, I was really excited when we were talking about Keane or Cocu. Now that we're talking about Appleton or Mackay I'm dreading another total flop from the off.

Basically, I'm fully prepared for the letdown!!

[bingo70]

Exactly.

He's a nobody that probably had to use Google to find out what / who Hibs are.

There is absolutely nothing about him that suggests he should be our manager.

I’m no sure that’s what I said 😂

[Callum_62]

Exactly.

He's a nobody that probably had to use Google to find out what / who Hibs are.

There is absolutely nothing about him that suggests he should be our manager.Apart from him doing good jobs as a manger?



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[WhileTheChief..]

I’m no sure that’s what I said 😂

Yeah, I think I quoted the wrong post, sorry 'bout that!!

[WhileTheChief..]

Apart from him doing good jobs as a manger?



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At Oxford and Lincoln?

[04Sauzee]

At Oxford and Lincoln?

A good job is a good job

[Heisenberg]

A good job is a good job

Exactly. New manager is going to be up against it already for some because he’s not Roy Keane. Tremendous.

[WhileTheChief..]

Not if we bring in someone decent.

If we do, nobody will give a damn about Keane.

[Callum_62]

At Oxford and Lincoln?

Are our players significantly different?

Doing a good job (or in Appleton's case a damn near incredible job) at Lincoln suggests he can step up

He won 2 games in the EPL too :wink:

[Callum_62]

Not if we bring in someone decent.

If we do, nobody will give a damn about Keane.

Who do you class as someone decent?

[WhileTheChief..]

A good job is a good job

Martindale at Livvi.

Neilson at Hearts.

Dick Campbell at Arbroath.

3 managers who have all done a good job this season. I wouldn't want any of them anywhere near ER as our manager.

[Heisenberg]

Not if we bring in someone decent.

If we do, nobody will give a damn about Keane.

Surely we can only decide how “decent” a manager is after they’ve taken charge of some games?

We can look at their record etc and make some assumptions but we won’t know for sure. Best to give whoever it is a chance and go from there.

[WhileTheChief..]

Who do you class as someone decent?

Don't know, let's see who we come up with.

Of the names mentioned so far, Cocu is the stand out.

Anyone that has managed a team to 3 titles will do for me. Actually, winning 1 would prob be good enough.

[WhileTheChief..]

Surely we can only decide how “decent” a manager is after they’ve taken charge of some games?

We can look at their record etc and make some assumptions but we won’t know for sure. Best to give whoever it is a chance and go from there.

Like we tried with Maloney?! :greengrin

[hibee-boys]

It does stick in the throat a bit that Appleton seemingly turned us down the last time, or maybe he just played us🤔 Either way, won’t sit great with some fans, I’m far more shallow than that so as long as he wins his first 10 games all will be forgiven.

[Mcbizz1998]

I would be hugely underwhelmed and disappointed at Appleton. Already renewed the season ticket but that’s not an appointment that would have me desperate to get back to Easter Road.

[04Sauzee]

Don't know, let's see who we come up with.

Of the names mentioned so far, Cocu is the stand out.

Anyone that has managed a team to 3 titles will do for me. Actually, winning 1 would prob be good enough.

McInnes just won a title with Killie 😁

[Mr. Wonderful]

I would be hugely underwhelmed and disappointed at Appleton. Already renewed the season ticket but that’s not an appointment that would have me desperate to get back to Easter Road.

Aye but a successful team would. All well and good getting sales of a big name but if the big name is a poor manager that won't be sustainable. Rather we had success and a steady increase in numbers over time than a one hit wonder.

[HFC93]

Appleton's name is just feeding into my growing apathy.

[Chorley Hibee]

Appleton's name is just feeding into my growing apathy.

You and me both.

[Callum_62]

Don't know, let's see who we come up with.

Of the names mentioned so far, Cocu is the stand out.

Anyone that has managed a team to 3 titles will do for me. Actually, winning 1 would prob be good enough.Do you reckon Cocu would know about what/who Hibs are?



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[Greenio]

Lots of stressing going on about things noone knows anything about just yet

Just names being thrown around by the press or the people themselves to sell papers or get themselves in them

[bingo70]

Appleton's name is just feeding into my growing apathy.

I love an exciting name more than most however, the cure for the apathy will be what happens on the pitch, not whatever short term hit we’d get from appointing a big name.

Absolutely 100% reserve the right to change my mind on that the next time we are linked with a big name though.

[Smartie]

Appleton's name is just feeding into my growing apathy.

Whilst I want a more exciting name, it’s still all about the football.

You could tell almost immediately under Stubbs and Mowbray that we were going to see an improvement on what had gone before them.

I’d be cautiously optimistic about the fact that Appleton was highly thought of at his previous clubs and that they were sad to see him go. That must hold some weight.

[Springbank]

Imagine a champions league club appointing a manager whose experiences were with East Stirling, St Mirren & Aberdeen

That would be near enough an equivalent of Lincoln & Oxford on the CV and moving to Hibs

Worked out ok 1986 onwards for a manager with that exact CV, I guess...

[Mcbizz1998]

Aye but a successful team would. All well and good getting sales of a big name but if the big name is a poor manager that won't be sustainable. Rather we had success and a steady increase in numbers over time than a one hit wonder.

Yep, agree. If it’s him then I will back him from the word go and if we start winning then will happily eat my words about him.

[LancsHibs]

Are our players significantly different?

Doing a good job (or in Appleton's case a damn near incredible job) at Lincoln suggests he can step up

He won 2 games in the EPL too :wink:

Very average job at Lincoln this season, so average Lincoln are happy to let him go. Next stop Hibs?

[CapitalGreen]

Whilst I want a more exciting name, it’s still all about the football.

You could tell almost immediately under Stubbs and Mowbray that we were going to see an improvement on what had gone before them.

I’d be cautiously optimistic about the fact that Appleton was highly thought of at his previous clubs and that they were sad to see him go. That must hold some weight.

Yup and spent 3 seasons with each and left them in a better place than when he joined them. God knows we could do with a bit of stability like that.

[bingo70]

Very average job at Lincoln this season, so average Lincoln are happy to let him go. Next stop Hibs?

Was only deemed as an average job this season because he did such a good job last season.

[SlickShoes]

Imagine a champions league club appointing a manager whose experiences were with East Stirling, St Mirren & Aberdeen

That would be near enough an equivalent of Lincoln & Oxford on the CV and moving to Hibs

Worked out ok 1986 onwards for a manager with that exact CV, I guess...

Things have changed quite a bit since 1986. Going from winning a European trophy and league with Aberdeen to a struggling Man Utd isn't even a relevant comparison.

I hate to tell you but Hibs are on the same sort of level as League 1 in England, as much as we love our club if we had to find an equivalent level down south that would be it.

[Smartie]

Was only deemed as an average job this season because he did such a good job last season.

Yep, last season raised the bar a bit for them. Being comfortably safe in league one would be reasonable for Lincoln, I’d expect.

It’s a bit like us getting in about Celtic and Rangers one season but falling back to 3rd the next.

[WhileTheChief..]

Yup and spent 3 seasons with each and left them in a better place than when he joined them. God knows we could do with a bit of stability like that.

That's the difference right there.

You and a few others are keen on stability.

I and a few others are crying out for excitement and a wee adventure into the unknown.

I'll go out on a limb now and say there is zero chance of Appleton getting the job.

We're going for a name, someone to get the fans back onside.

Appleton or the likes will never do that and to appoint him after Maloney would be mind-bogglingly stupid.

[Saint Hibee]

That's the difference right there.

You and a few others are keen on stability.

I and a few others are crying out for excitement and a wee adventure into the unknown.

I'll go out on a limb now and say there is zero chance of Appleton getting the job.

We're going for a name, someone to get the fans back onside.

Appleton or the likes will never do that and to appoint him after Maloney would be mind-bogglingly stupid.

I hope you're right, but I have a feeling that he's who we'll end up with.

[greenlex]

That's the difference right there.

You and a few others are keen on stability.

I and a few others are crying out for excitement and a wee adventure into the unknown.

I'll go out on a limb now and say there is zero chance of Appleton getting the job.

We're going for a name, someone to get the fans back onside.

Appleton or the likes will never do that and to appoint him after Maloney would be mind-bogglingly stupid.

Sam Allerdyce is a name. Let’s get him in pronto.

[Sioux]

I think any manager we get is going to be using us as a stepping stone to something bigger, is there even a candidate that just wants to be Hibs manager and stay here forever?

:faf:

Nurse!

[Victor]

That's the difference right there.

You and a few others are keen on stability.

I and a few others are crying out for excitement and a wee adventure into the unknown.

I'll go out on a limb now and say there is zero chance of Appleton getting the job.

We're going for a name, someone to get the fans back onside.

Appleton or the likes will never do that and to appoint him after Maloney would be mind-bogglingly stupid.

Mind-bogginly stupid is what we are famous for. Appleton it will be, then!


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[bingo70]

That's the difference right there.

You and a few others are keen on stability.

I and a few others are crying out for excitement and a wee adventure into the unknown.

I'll go out on a limb now and say there is zero chance of Appleton getting the job.

We're going for a name, someone to get the fans back onside.

Appleton or the likes will never do that and to appoint him after Maloney would be mind-bogglingly stupid.

I suspect you might be right about appointing a big name, I disagree with the last sentence though.

Appointing a less exciting name but still a good manager would never be stupid. Even if we don’t get the numbers rushing to buy season tickets off the back of the appointment, we’ll get bums on seats by having a good team.

Appleton doesn’t get the juices flowing for me but I think he’d do a good job so it probably should.

[Gordy M]

That's the difference right there.

You and a few others are keen on stability.

I and a few others are crying out for excitement and a wee adventure into the unknown.

I'll go out on a limb now and say there is zero chance of Appleton getting the job.

We're going for a name, someone to get the fans back onside.

Appleton or the likes will never do that and to appoint him after Maloney would be mind-bogglingly stupid.

Genuine question, do you think Celtic fans who were raging about Ange getting the job would go back and get someone else now?

[CapitalGreen]

That's the difference right there.

You and a few others are keen on stability.

I and a few others are crying out for excitement and a wee adventure into the unknown.

I'll go out on a limb now and say there is zero chance of Appleton getting the job.

We're going for a name, someone to get the fans back onside.

Appleton or the likes will never do that and to appoint him after Maloney would be mind-bogglingly stupid.

You’re wrong, I want excitement too however you seem to derive excitement from the prestige of the person in the dugout while I derive excitement from the football being played on the pitch.

Last season Appleton lead Lincoln to their best season for 40 years (their 2nd best for 60 years). Before that he lead Oxford to their best league finish in nearly 20 years and their first cup finals in 30 years. Do you think their fans were excited?

[WhileTheChief..]

Genuine question, do you think Celtic fans who were raging about Ange getting the job would go back and get someone else now?

Nope, they all seem absolutely delighted with him, as I would be if he won us a cup and league title!!

[Greenbeard]

Appleton's name is just feeding into my growing apathy.
Apathist? Or Applethist?

[Gordy M]

Nope, they all seem absolutely delighted with him, as I would be if he won us a cup and league title!!

Yeh i agree but the point is that he was the exact opposite of what you want us to do. Its about getting a good manager, not some alleged big name?

[ZitellZeTime]

I got told last we were looking at Mowbray or Appleton, I believed the Appleton but not Mowbray as he was still with Blackburn but he has since announced he is leaving and has recommended the head coach replace him. Probably coincidence but it did make me wonder if this was maybe the reason why.

I normally don't like going back, like when there is constant talk about ex old players who could still do a job etc but I'm not sure about this one. He did brilliant with a young squad with us then took over WBA managed to turn around the terrible results they were getting there despite them having big name players got them to the play offs but didn't get up in first season, he then sold a lot of the big players the previous manager had to premiership clubs and brought in a lot of hungry young players and got them promoted, even when he got the sack for relegation from the EPL a lot of their fans were dissapointed and wanted him to stay on.

Celtic was terrible same with Mboro where they were a big club, but at the same time they were in financial trouble at the time and Strachan had them sitting 22nd in the table playing terrible but he managed to turn things around and get them to 11th or 12th. then again got rid of deadwood brought in hungry young players again and got them 7th in the league, he did have a terrible run of 2 wins in 10 games or something before he was sacked.

Coventry wasn't great he averaged 35% win ratio or something but he was appointed with the task of keeping them in the league, which he did do but then got sacked not sure why exactly or left.

Then Blackburn who were an absolute basket case of a club with dodgy owners in the Venkys and he came in with them looking like getting relegated, which they did but he actually turned results around and almost kept them up. then got them promoted back first time with again mixingn youth and experience and playing decent football. mid table a couple of seasons in the championship and think they were 14th or something last season but he was kept on, been there 5 years now with win percentage of like 40% and a lot of draws too and not too many losses. Don't think any manager is going to do much better job at Blackburn while the Venkys are still in charge and the fact both them and the fans were happy for him to stay on and he just decided the other day to step down himself.

I loved his time at Hibs and the reason I listed his record above, a lot of those jobs were similar to how he came into Hibs when we were in a bit of a mess, albeit he didn't have to bring in many young hungry players as we had the golden generation, but he got them playing the way they played he also brought in players we didn't know much about, or I didn't like David Murphy etc who were excellent.

The club is also in a bit of a mess and needs turned around like he did before and he did with a few of those clubs. He also has a greatn eye for a player. Although that was his biggest weakness also as if he had managed to get a decent keeper in we would have did much better than we did lol. Im not the biggest fan of Macey but hes ok, not terrible like some make out and both him and Dabrowski are better than any keeper he tried to sign. Not sure how he had such an eye for outfield players but not goalkeepers !!

It may just be coincidence he's left Blackburn but if he is interested I think I would definitely take him. He turned things around for us before had us playing good football and getting results, is good with young players too, did similar with WBA and has brought in decent young players at Blackburn when he got them promoted back to the championship and the fact the Venkys haven't sacked him in like 5 years says a lot tbh.

As I said I don't normally like going back to previous managers etc but he knows the club, knows the game here. Has a name and will attract some decent players probably, also has an eye for a player and turning clubs in rut around seems to be what he's good at. Also will play a style that is enjoyable to watch. Will have the whole pre season to get rid of the deadwood bring in players and work with them, although im still not sure how the signing policy is here. I did read an article saying that Ian Gordon is only like the liason between recruitment team and manager but it was definitely him who signed Mueller. I hope the case is that what they said is true so Mowbray would get a big say on who we bring in with the recruitment team, or whoever we bring in.

I actually think Mueller will be a good player next season. He played in America had a month off after the end of a whole season then was expected to do wonders at us, I may be wrong but I just think he will be decent. Claros looked dug***** for us first season then second season looked a different player after adapting to a new league and having a full pre season, other players with us too and happens all the time in the English league with foreign players who aren't used to the way the game is played, even Drogba wasn't great to begin with at Chelsea now he's one of their legends. Not saying Mueller will be a Hibs legend but I don't think he'd be one id be trying to get rid of as i think he should be given a pre season then judge him after that.

[WhileTheChief..]

You’re wrong, I want excitement too however you seem to derive excitement from the prestige of the person in the dugout while I derive excitement from the football being played on the pitch.

Last season Appleton lead Lincoln to their best season for 40 years (their 2nd best for 60 years). Before that he lead Oxford to their best league finish in nearly 20 years and their first cup finals in 30 years. Do you think their fans were excited?

Things were exciting under Lennon and the football in some games was tremendous. We can have both.

Calum Davidson led St J to their best ever season last year. Would you be happy if we went for him?

[Since90+2]

I got told last we were looking at Mowbray or Appleton, I believed the Appleton but not Mowbray as he was still with Blackburn but he has since announced he is leaving and has recommended the head coach replace him. Probably coincidence but it did make me wonder if this was maybe the reason why.

I normally don't like going back, like when there is constant talk about ex old players who could still do a job etc but I'm not sure about this one. He did brilliant with a young squad with us then took over WBA managed to turn around the terrible results they were getting there despite them having big name players got them to the play offs but didn't get up in first season, he then sold a lot of the big players the previous manager had to premiership clubs and brought in a lot of hungry young players and got them promoted, even when he got the sack for relegation from the EPL a lot of their fans were dissapointed and wanted him to stay on.

Celtic was terrible same with Mboro where they were a big club, but at the same time they were in financial trouble at the time and Strachan had them sitting 22nd in the table playing terrible but he managed to turn things around and get them to 11th or 12th. then again got rid of deadwood brought in hungry young players again and got them 7th in the league, he did have a terrible run of 2 wins in 10 games or something before he was sacked.

Coventry wasn't great he averaged 35% win ratio or something but he was appointed with the task of keeping them in the league, which he did do but then got sacked not sure why exactly or left.

Then Blackburn who were an absolute basket case of a club with dodgy owners in the Venkys and he came in with them looking like getting relegated, which they did but he actually turned results around and almost kept them up. then got them promoted back first time with again mixingn youth and experience and playing decent football. mid table a couple of seasons in the championship and think they were 14th or something last season but he was kept on, been there 5 years now with win percentage of like 40% and a lot of draws too and not too many losses. Don't think any manager is going to do much better job at Blackburn while the Venkys are still in charge and the fact both them and the fans were happy for him to stay on and he just decided the other day to step down himself.

I loved his time at Hibs and the reason I listed his record above, a lot of those jobs were similar to how he came into Hibs when we were in a bit of a mess, albeit he didn't have to bring in many young hungry players as we had the golden generation, but he got them playing the way they played he also brought in players we didn't know much about, or I didn't like David Murphy etc who were excellent.

The club is also in a bit of a mess and needs turned around like he did before and he did with a few of those clubs. He also has a greatn eye for a player. Although that was his biggest weakness also as if he had managed to get a decent keeper in we would have did much better than we did lol. Im not the biggest fan of Macey but hes ok, not terrible like some make out and both him and Dabrowski are better than any keeper he tried to sign. Not sure how he had such an eye for outfield players but not goalkeepers !!

It may just be coincidence he's left Blackburn but if he is interested I think I would definitely take him. He turned things around for us before had us playing good football and getting results, is good with young players too, did similar with WBA and has brought in decent young players at Blackburn when he got them promoted back to the championship and the fact the Venkys haven't sacked him in like 5 years says a lot tbh.

As I said I don't normally like going back to previous managers etc but he knows the club, knows the game here. Has a name and will attract some decent players probably, also has an eye for a player and turning clubs in rut around seems to be what he's good at. Also will play a style that is enjoyable to watch. Will have the whole pre season to get rid of the deadwood bring in players and work with them, although im still not sure how the signing policy is here. I did read an article saying that Ian Gordon is only like the liason between recruitment team and manager but it was definitely him who signed Mueller. I hope the case is that what they said is true so Mowbray would get a big say on who we bring in with the recruitment team, or whoever we bring in.

I actually think Mueller will be a good player next season. He played in America had a month off after the end of a whole season then was expected to do wonders at us, I may be wrong but I just think he will be decent. Claros looked dug***** for us first season then second season looked a different player after adapting to a new league and having a full pre season, other players with us too and happens all the time in the English league with foreign players who aren't used to the way the game is played, even Drogba wasn't great to begin with at Chelsea now he's one of their legends. Not saying Mueller will be a Hibs legend but I don't think he'd be one id be trying to get rid of as i think he should be given a pre season then judge him after that.

Mueller is gone, he won't be here next season (or even next week).

[WhileTheChief..]

Yeh i agree but the point is that he was the exact opposite of what you want us to do. Its about getting a good manager, not some alleged big name?

Ange had won stuff before though I think?

I have consistently said I want someone that commands respect, has an aura about them, a presence. I want someone who has won trophies.

Big Ange appears to tick these boxes.

Some no-mark from lower league English clubs just doesn't. I can't get my head around why any of you would want someone who wouldn't give a damn about our club. Did we learn nothing from Heckingbottom? or Calderwood? Let's make the same mistake again eh.

We have never tried going for a big name just because they're a big name. Keen was linked because he linked himself to the job.

We wouldn't have had the balls to approach him. We don't have the imagination, hence why we're talking about Appleton or Malky f'in Mackay.

[HoboHarry]

Ange had won stuff before though I think?

I have consistently said I want someone that commands respect, has an aura about them, a presence. I want someone who has won trophies.

Big Ange appears to tick these boxes.

Some no-mark from lower league English clubs just doesn't. I can't get my head around why any of you would want someone who wouldn't give a damn about our club. Did we learn nothing from Heckingbottom? or Calderwood? Let's make the same mistake again eh.

We have never tried going for a big name just because they're a big name. Keen was linked because he linked himself to the job.

We wouldn't have had the balls to approach him. We don't have the imagination, hence why we're talking about Appleton or Malky f'in Mackay.
He may well have won stuff in the past but I'm still willing to bet that very few of us had heard of him. Also, Heckingbottom didn't give a damn? Seriously you are talking nonsense now. Might not have ended well but saying he didn't give a damn is just making stuff up....

[mayo hibee]

Imagine a champions league club appointing a manager whose experiences were with East Stirling, St Mirren & Aberdeen

That would be near enough an equivalent of Lincoln & Oxford on the CV and moving to Hibs



That's not even a remotely similar comparison.

Hibs are the equivalent of a top end League 1 team, Oxford finished about 8th in League 1 this season, Lincoln made the League 1 playoffs last season. Hibs (or any Scottish team outside the obvious two) is only a marginal step up from that, no matter how much some people want to think otherwise.

[WhileTheChief..]

He may well have won stuff in the past but I'm still willing to bet that very few of us had heard of him. Also, Heckingbottom didn't give a damn? Seriously you are talking nonsense now. Might not have ended well but saying he didn't give a damn is just making stuff up....

Go watch Heckingbottom’s interview the day he was appointed Hibs manager then try and tell yourself he cared anything for Hibs.

He came, failed, got his payout and left. That’s it in a nutshell.

[I'm Spartacus]

Martindale at Livvi.

Neilson at Hearts.

Dick Campbell at Arbroath.

3 managers who have all done a good job this season. I wouldn't want any of them anywhere near ER as our manager.

So if someone came in and bought the club then announced they were investing £5M in the playing squad with the management team of Dick Campbell, Dick Neilson and Martindale - I would not complain (apart from feeling uneasy about the obvious).

I would absolutely take Martindale.

[Since452]

Ross was a safe pair of hands, probably would have finished comfortably top six but some thought he and his football were dull. Sacked so we wont be going for similar. Rules out McInnes, Mackay and possibly Appleton although i don't know much about him but 17th at Lincoln?

Maloney was a young exciting but untried manager who apparently wanted to play progressive modern football. Sacked so we wont be going for similar.

What does that leave? I think we will appoint a big name OR someone the fans like. Kensell mentioned the Mowbray style of football numerous times when Maloney was appointed and low and behold Mowbray is now avaliable...

[CapitalGreen]

Things were exciting under Lennon and the football in some games was tremendous. We can have both.

Calum Davidson led St J to their best ever season last year. Would you be happy if we went for him?

Things were exciting under Lennon because the football was exciting. When the football was bad under Lennon towards the end it was no longer exciting, in fact it was so boring he stopped even turning up for his own press conferences.

I’ve no interest in Davidson because like Roy Keane he has yet to show he can repeat the one successful season of his career.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ross was a safe pair of hands, probably would have finished comfortably top six but some thought he and his football were dull. Sacked so we wont be going for similar. Rules out McInnes, Mackay and possibly Appleton although i don't know much about him but 17th at Lincoln?

Maloney was a young exciting but untried manager who apparently wanted to play progressive modern football. Sacked so we wont be going for similar.

What does that leave? I think we will appoint a big name OR someone the fans like. Kensell mentioned the Mowbray style of football numerous times when Maloney was appointed and low and behold Mowbray is now avaliable...

Appleton apparently plays really decent football so I’m not sure he is in the same bracket as Ross, McInnes and Mackay?

[Mcbizz1998]

That's not even a remotely similar comparison.

Hibs are the equivalent of a top end League 1 team, Oxford finished about 8th in League 1 this season, Lincoln made the League 1 playoffs last season. Hibs (or any Scottish team outside the obvious two) is only a marginal step up from that, no matter how much some people want to think otherwise.

You are doing us a massive disservice. Yeah, maybe the standard of player we can attract is similar to league 1 but that’s just due to the obscene amount of money in English football.

Hibs are a much, much bigger club than Lincoln or Oxford ffs. And any manager coming from there to here would need to deal with much more expectation and scrutiny.

Lincoln and Oxford, cmon mate. Give the club you support SOME credit for Christ’s sake.

[Since90+2]

You are doing us a massive disservice. Yeah, maybe the standard of player we can attract is similar to league 1 but that’s just due to the obscene amount of money in English football.

Hibs are a much, much bigger club than Lincoln or Oxford ffs. And any manager coming from there to here would need to deal with much more expectation and scrutiny.

Lincoln and Oxford, cmon mate. Give the club you support SOME credit for Christ’s sake.

Hibs are bigger than them, but the gap between Hibs and the majority of teams who play in the Champions League is even bigger.

[Gordy M]

Ange had won stuff before though I think?

I have consistently said I want someone that commands respect, has an aura about them, a presence. I want someone who has won trophies.

Big Ange appears to tick these boxes.

Some no-mark from lower league English clubs just doesn't. I can't get my head around why any of you would want someone who wouldn't give a damn about our club. Did we learn nothing from Heckingbottom? or Calderwood? Let's make the same mistake again eh.

We have never tried going for a big name just because they're a big name. Keen was linked because he linked himself to the job.

We wouldn't have had the balls to approach him. We don't have the imagination, hence why we're talking about Appleton or Malky f'in Mackay.

Not one poster on here has said they dont want a big name?? What folk are saying that they are not going to completely dismiss someone who isnt a so called big name? And someone who might improve us and get us back playing attacking football.....oh and Philip Cocu and Roy Keanr are nowhere near big names in managerial terms.

[WhileTheChief..]

Not one poster on here has said they dont want a big name?? What folk are saying that they are not going to completely dismiss someone who isnt a so called big name? And someone who might improve us and get us back playing attacking football.....oh and Philip Cocu and Roy Keanr are nowhere near big names in managerial terms.

Cool. I'm out.

[Scotty Leither]

Go watch Heckingbottom’s interview the day he was appointed Hibs manager then try and tell yourself he cared anything for Hibs.

He came, failed, got his payout and left. That’s it in a nutshell.

Well said...it transpired in an interview published after he left, that he thought the SPL was the equivalent of English "League One" level.

I never took to him after the 0-2 defeat to Celtic in the Cup at Easter where we never laid a glove on them, yet he seemed to be quite happy with the result, and he's down there with Calderwood with the disdain that he treated the club.

My expectations of a new manager is that they field a team that has a go, the players look like they've got half an idea of the system that they're being asked to play, and that we record the odd victory against the Old Firm at Easter Road, and achieve at least parity in the Derby fixture.

I suspect my expectations don't chime with the Board though, so we'll just need to wait and see who they appoint and how they back him in the transfer window.

I think we've got enough B team players and "ones for the future" for the moment, some seasoned pros would be nice but I'm not holding my breath.

[JimBHibees]

Yeh i agree but the point is that he was the exact opposite of what you want us to do. Its about getting a good manager, not some alleged big name?

To be fair Postecoglu is quite a big name 🙂

[Springbank]

That's not even a remotely similar comparison.

Hibs are the equivalent of a top end League 1 team, Oxford finished about 8th in League 1 this season, Lincoln made the League 1 playoffs last season. Hibs (or any Scottish team outside the obvious two) is only a marginal step up from that, no matter how much some people want to think otherwise.

Thanks - you made my point

I was saying people who think we are mad to be looking at Appleton don't always know how football works - if Man U had only looked at other "giants" for their manager's track record they'd have missed out on their best one in a long time.

So, the point is, it's far from crazy for us to be looking at Appleton given his decent track record, and Hibs would be a logical next step up in his career too (and that's how it tends to work)

[GloryGlory]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-kean-charlton-shortlist-hibs-26873149

[04Sauzee]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-kean-charlton-shortlist-hibs-26873149

Interesting, not sure we could hod him back if he wants to get back into management.

Maybe he really enjoys what he's doing at Hibs.

[Spudster]

I’ve no interest in Davidson because like Roy Keane he has yet to show he can repeat the one successful season of his career.
To be fair on Davidson he lost his 2 most important players on deadline day and was given no funds or time to replace them. Was always gonna be a big step back from the greatest achievement in Scottish football for almost 40 years outwith the OF.

[eastmainsmsh]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-kean-charlton-shortlist-hibs-26873149

Any one fancy chipping in to get his flight and hotel sorted lol

[Paulie Walnuts]

Interesting, not sure we could hod him back if he wants to get back into management.

Maybe he really enjoys what he's doing at Hibs.

Seems strange that his stock is still at that level yet he’s overseeing our youth teams :confused:

That’s not a bad thing btw.. I just presumed he wasn’t appealing to teams as a manager anymore and that’s why he got involved in the role he’s got with us.

[GreenCastle]

Appleton seemed to play 4-3-3 then changed to 4-4-2 and 3-5-2

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lincoln-sheffield-wednesday-tactics-6760357

Here is a video of him explaining some coaching...https://youtu.be/aHAMSuIMluQ

His last press conference - https://youtu.be/xdwsdyrsOBw

Seems Salford also looking at him for manager.

[Dr_Regal]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-kean-charlton-shortlist-hibs-26873149

Supremo?? Good grief

[hibeg]

I got told last we were looking at Mowbray or Appleton, I believed the Appleton but not Mowbray as he was still with Blackburn but he has since announced he is leaving and has recommended the head coach replace him. Probably coincidence but it did make me wonder if this was maybe the reason why.

I normally don't like going back, like when there is constant talk about ex old players who could still do a job etc but I'm not sure about this one. He did brilliant with a young squad with us then took over WBA managed to turn around the terrible results they were getting there despite them having big name players got them to the play offs but didn't get up in first season, he then sold a lot of the big players the previous manager had to premiership clubs and brought in a lot of hungry young players and got them promoted, even when he got the sack for relegation from the EPL a lot of their fans were dissapointed and wanted him to stay on.

Celtic was terrible same with Mboro where they were a big club, but at the same time they were in financial trouble at the time and Strachan had them sitting 22nd in the table playing terrible but he managed to turn things around and get them to 11th or 12th. then again got rid of deadwood brought in hungry young players again and got them 7th in the league, he did have a terrible run of 2 wins in 10 games or something before he was sacked.

Coventry wasn't great he averaged 35% win ratio or something but he was appointed with the task of keeping them in the league, which he did do but then got sacked not sure why exactly or left.

Then Blackburn who were an absolute basket case of a club with dodgy owners in the Venkys and he came in with them looking like getting relegated, which they did but he actually turned results around and almost kept them up. then got them promoted back first time with again mixingn youth and experience and playing decent football. mid table a couple of seasons in the championship and think they were 14th or something last season but he was kept on, been there 5 years now with win percentage of like 40% and a lot of draws too and not too many losses. Don't think any manager is going to do much better job at Blackburn while the Venkys are still in charge and the fact both them and the fans were happy for him to stay on and he just decided the other day to step down himself.

I loved his time at Hibs and the reason I listed his record above, a lot of those jobs were similar to how he came into Hibs when we were in a bit of a mess, albeit he didn't have to bring in many young hungry players as we had the golden generation, but he got them playing the way they played he also brought in players we didn't know much about, or I didn't like David Murphy etc who were excellent.

The club is also in a bit of a mess and needs turned around like he did before and he did with a few of those clubs. He also has a greatn eye for a player. Although that was his biggest weakness also as if he had managed to get a decent keeper in we would have did much better than we did lol. Im not the biggest fan of Macey but hes ok, not terrible like some make out and both him and Dabrowski are better than any keeper he tried to sign. Not sure how he had such an eye for outfield players but not goalkeepers !!

It may just be coincidence he's left Blackburn but if he is interested I think I would definitely take him. He turned things around for us before had us playing good football and getting results, is good with young players too, did similar with WBA and has brought in decent young players at Blackburn when he got them promoted back to the championship and the fact the Venkys haven't sacked him in like 5 years says a lot tbh.

As I said I don't normally like going back to previous managers etc but he knows the club, knows the game here. Has a name and will attract some decent players probably, also has an eye for a player and turning clubs in rut around seems to be what he's good at. Also will play a style that is enjoyable to watch. Will have the whole pre season to get rid of the deadwood bring in players and work with them, although im still not sure how the signing policy is here. I did read an article saying that Ian Gordon is only like the liason between recruitment team and manager but it was definitely him who signed Mueller. I hope the case is that what they said is true so Mowbray would get a big say on who we bring in with the recruitment team, or whoever we bring in.

I actually think Mueller will be a good player next season. He played in America had a month off after the end of a whole season then was expected to do wonders at us, I may be wrong but I just think he will be decent. Claros looked dug***** for us first season then second season looked a different player after adapting to a new league and having a full pre season, other players with us too and happens all the time in the English league with foreign players who aren't used to the way the game is played, even Drogba wasn't great to begin with at Chelsea now he's one of their legends. Not saying Mueller will be a Hibs legend but I don't think he'd be one id be trying to get rid of as i think he should be given a pre season then judge him after that.

How’s it going Tony 😂😂
Seriously though, a well constructed post. Almost convincing me to go with Mowbray

[SMAXXA]

Any one fancy chipping in to get his flight and hotel sorted lol

Why? Absolutely bizarre comment

[Callum_62]

Why? Absolutely bizarre commentThe whole steve kean hate goes right my head

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[Lago]

Why? Absolutely bizarre comment
Can't understand some peoples attitude to Hibs players, coaches and other staff, we seem to have a very fractured support.

[Coco Bryce]

How’s it going Tony 😂😂
Seriously though, a well constructed post. Almost convincing me to go with Mowbray

Hey! I got a warning on here when I called someone Jack Ross 🤣

[SaulGoodman]

Any one fancy chipping in to get his flight and hotel sorted lol

What’s Kean done wrong now? Or is it just a case of “Hibs are **** right now so **** everyone involved with us”?

[Coco Bryce]

Darren Ferguson interviewed seemingly.

[JohnM1875]

Darren Ferguson interviewed seemingly.

Would be happy at that! Read an article yesterday that sounded like it wasn't going to be Ferguson. But as folk have pointed out, most journalists seem to be guessing at this point.

[Coco Bryce]

Would be happy at that! Read an article yesterday that sounded like it wasn't going to be Ferguson. But as folk have pointed out, most journalists seem to be guessing at this point.

He's now 2nd fav in the betting.

[davhibby]

Darren Ferguson interviewed seemingly.

That’s about as uninspiring as you could get without going for Malky Mackay of McInnes

[Unseen work]

Am I the only one that takes no interest in the bookies odds?

They know nothing unless a name is in the press and just adjust the pricing based on the amount of bets going on that person.

[hibeg]

Very left field. Phil and Gary Neville

[Since90+2]

Very left field. Phil and Gary Neville

No chance Gary Neville would come to manage Hibs. He'll be on an absolute fortune at Sky and seems to love his role there

Phil? Possibly but only if he's homesick. Not sure id swap Miami for Edinburgh.

[bigwheel]

Very left field. Phil and Gary Neville

I like the different suggestion. But would rather have Phil and Grant Mitchell :-)

[leith lynx]

Very left field. Phil and Gary Neville

With Neville Southall as goalkeeping coach?

[SMAXXA]

What’s Kean done wrong now? Or is it just a case of “Hibs are **** right now so **** everyone involved with us”?

I think it’s pretty much that, absolute no need or clue some people, he’s actually done a very good job since he came in. The constant need for folk to be negative (granted not a lot to be positive about) about all things Hibs is embarrassing imo. I honestly think no matter what the club does going forward will never make a proportion of fans happy for one reason or another. Draining man.

[Aldo]

Would be happy at that! Read an article yesterday that sounded like it wasn't going to be Ferguson. But as folk have pointed out, most journalists seem to be guessing at this point.

So would I!


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[bigwheel]

So would I!


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What do you guys like about Ferguson - interested to know - was underwhelmed when I heard his name - management career looks poor on paper to me ….but tbh don’t know much about him

[Jones28]

Very left field. Phil and Gary Neville

Gary is on record saying he’s glad he isn’t involved in management anymore.

[GreenCastle]

Ferguson or Appleton - who would people prefer ?

[GreenCastle]

Very left field. Phil and Gary Neville

Phil Neville is awful. No chance. Plus he has a well paid job in MLS which he isn’t doing very well at.

[HendoDelivered]

Ferguson or Appleton - who would people prefer ?

Fergleton :greengrin

[Aldo]

What do you guys like about Ferguson - interested to know - was underwhelmed when I heard his name - management career looks poor on paper to me ….but tbh don’t know much about him

He’s got experience as a manager and managed them on tight budgets. He’s has an eye for a player.

His teams have been both promoted and relegated.

I’d be happy with Him or Appleton


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[bigwheel]

He’s got experience as a manager and managed them on tight budgets. He’s has an eye for a player.

His teams have been both promoted and relegated.

I’d be happy with Him or Appleton


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[emoji106]

[Mikey_1875]

Appleton not the best name thats been mentioned but he is definitely someone I would get behind I think.

Whether it would bring lapsed fans rushing back or not I doubt it but I think it’s a realistic option. I remember watching a Lincoln game when they were flying and thinking we had lost out with him. They played some very nice stuff. Haven’t really followed them since and it’s obviously went pear shaped but it would give me hope if he was appointed

[Mcbizz1998]

I said earlier in the thread that I didn’t fancy Appleton but having watched some of his interviews and read more about him - I’m starting to warm to the idea.

It won’t get people rushing back to ER but a winning team will in time. He seems to have a lot of fans from his previous clubs.

[CapitalGreen]

He’s got experience as a manager and managed them on tight budgets. He’s has an eye for a player.

His teams have been both promoted and relegated.

I’d be happy with Him or Appleton


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As you say he has a great track record with finding players in the English lower league.

To name a few:

- Signed Ivan Toney for a reported £650k and sold him for £10m, would probably command at least 3 times that now.
- Signed Dwight Gayle for £500k and sold him for £5m.
- Signed George Boyd for £260k while in League 2 and he went on to play over 100 games in the Premier League.

Think he’s been promoted 5 times as manager, maybe more and has won a cup.

[Aldo]

He has a great track record with finding players in the English lower league.

To name a few:

Signed Ivan Toney for a reported £650k and sold him for £10m, would probably command at least 3 times that now.
Signed Dwight Gayle for £500k and sold him for £5m.
Signed George Boyd for £260k while in League 2 and he went on to play over 100 games in the Premier League.

Did he sign Aaron McKean and Mackail-Smith? Both were decent too!


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[WhileTheChief..]

Darren Ferguson interviewed seemingly.

As is Doncaster and Peterborough Darren Ferguson, or is there another one?

This has to be a wind up.

[CapitalGreen]

Did he sign Aaron McKean and Mackail-Smith? Both were decent too!


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Mackail Smith was one of his first signings for P’Boro but McLean was already there.

[Callum_62]

As is Doncaster and Peterborough Darren Ferguson, or is there another one?

This has to be a wind up.Why?

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[Aldo]

Mackail Smith was one of his first signings for P’Boro but McLean was already there.

Thanks. Wasn’t sure!


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[HFC93]

Did Appleton patch us for Lincoln in 2019 and we went for Hecky instead or am I missremembering?

[WhileTheChief..]

Why?

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Doncaster and Peterborough. That's some comedown from PSV!!

I'm hoping we're setting our sights a bit higher.

[bigwheel]

Doncaster and Peterborough. That's some comedown from PSV!!

I'm hoping we're setting our sights a bit higher.

[emoji1787][emoji119][emoji119]. Hard to disagree with this to be fair ….

[JXM73]

Ferguson or Appleton - who would people prefer ?

Saturdays shopping with the wife...

[WhileTheChief..]

1300 managers ranked week by week...

https://www.clubworldranking.com/ranking-coaches?wd=14&yr=2020&index=75

Our man should in in there somewhere!!

[GreenCastle]

Saturdays shopping with the wife...

Craig Levein ?

[chrisski33]

Roy Hodgson will be available at end of season 😀

[Montford]

Hibs.. Legendary Scottish club with rich footballing history
first British club to reach a European Cup semi final
Highest Attendance 66,000
Record Attence played in 142,000
Sited in a world renowned city with international festivals and incredible culture
Potential for 20,000 crowds every week
Cup Finals and Semi Finals potential
Managing your team at iconic stadiums like Ibrox and Celtic Park
4 Fierce derby games every season
Achievable Potential of European group football
200,000 crowd celebrating last cup win

Yet we’re scraping around ex Lincoln and Peterborough managers
And other names that give the fear
Who’s promoting our club??
Quality Managers should be begging for an opportunity

[Fuzzywuzzy]

"For us, it was vital that this deal made complete sense for the Club and alongside this, it has also freed up a significant amount financially that the incoming manager will be able to use to mould the squad in their way."

Last part of that is interesting as it seems to contradict the player signing committee

[leith lynx]

Craig Levein ?

Only if he brings in Gary Mackay as his right hand man...

[GreenCastle]

Wouldn’t be surprised if our manager search comes from here

https://www.oportosports.com/individuals/

[Callum_62]

Doncaster and Peterborough. That's some comedown from PSV!!

I'm hoping we're setting our sights a bit higher.PSV you mean Cocu?

You never did answer if you thought he would know who Hibs are?

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[Callum_62]

Wouldn’t be surprised if our manager search comes from here

https://www.oportosports.com/individuals/I HOPE SO..... https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220504/8c661f9e701c0ff90e76afe2bcaa6847.jpg

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[Inconsequential]

Darren Ferguson has a conviction for domestic abuse. Malky McKay as we know has been linked with the Hibs job and some fans wouldn't mind Martindale. Which of the three would you choose if you had to?

[Dmas]

"For us, it was vital that this deal made complete sense for the Club and alongside this, it has also freed up a significant amount financially that the incoming manager will be able to use to mould the squad in their way."

Last part of that is interesting as it seems to contradict the player signing committee


Whats contradictory about it? surely you don't believe the rubbish that the manager isn't picking the players he wants?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Whats contradictory about it? surely you don't believe the rubbish that the manager isn't picking the players he wants?

Who knows anymore

[WhileTheChief..]

PSV you mean Cocu?

You never did answer if you thought he would know who Hibs are?

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Geezo man, what's up?

You're coming across needlessly argumentative on this.

How could I possibly know what Cocu knows?? Let's say he's never even heard of us. I'm not sure of the point you're getting at? I'm assuming he was linked with us for a reason?

Chill out a bit. We just have different takes on who we'd like to see as our next manager.

[Mcbizz1998]

Darren Ferguson has a conviction for domestic abuse. Malky McKay as we know has been linked with the Hibs job and some fans wouldn't mind Martindale. Which of the three would you choose if you had to?

McKay. The other two actually broke the law as opposed to saying some unsavoury things on text message. It’s not even close.

[Vault Boy]

Formal interviews next week with Ferguson not on the final shortlist of candidates. EEN.

[Lago]

Doncaster and Peterborough. That's some comedown from PSV!!

I'm hoping we're setting our sights a bit higher.
All the big names are just paper talk, it's Hibs not some EPL side recruiting.

[heretoday]

McKay. The other two actually broke the law as opposed to saying some unsavoury things on text message. It’s not even close.

Mackay of course. They should appoint him right now and get cracking on building a new team and get rid of several ineffectual types.

[Callum_62]

Geezo man, what's up?

You're coming across needlessly argumentative on this.

How could I possibly know what Cocu knows?? Let's say he's never even heard of us. I'm not sure of the point you're getting at? I'm assuming he was linked with us for a reason?

Chill out a bit. We just have different takes on who we'd like to see as our next manager.But your point to diss Appleton is he probaly needed to google hibs to find out who we are

No chance Cocu will have heard about the mighty Hibernian FC during his career [emoji23]

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[WhileTheChief..]

All the big names are just paper talk, it's Hibs not some EPL side recruiting.

Yup, we're Hibs, not some crappy wee lower English league club.

I want us to act accordingly.

[Callum_62]

Formal interviews next week with Ferguson not on the final shortlist of candidates. EEN.You'd expect an appointment by our final game - Infact maybe timed to introduce them against St Johnstone

Wonder who's on the shortlist

If imagine Appleton and that Watford boy will be 2

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[Lago]

Yup, we're Hibs, not some crappy wee lower English league club.

I want us to act accordingly.
And down south all they see is a mid table, just, club in a poor top league in Scotland, that's a hard sell.

[WhileTheChief..]

But your point to diss Appleton is he probaly needed to google hibs to find out who we are

No chance Cocu will have heard about the mighty Hibernian FC during his career [emoji23]

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That's not my point at all.

Check any of my posts on the type of person I want as manager. I've been boringly consistent with it so won't repeat myself again.

I've no idea who you would like, but for me, I want some excitement.

Darren Fergusson or Michael Appleton don't come anywhere close. I don't think we are remotely interested in either of them anyways.

[WhileTheChief..]

And down south all they see is a mid table, just, club in a poor top league in Scotland, that's a hard sell.


There's only 7 or 8 managers in England with a realistic chance of winning a trophy or playing in Europe at any one time.

That leaves around 85 who might fancy a shot up here!!

[bingo70]

You'd expect an appointment by our final game - Infact maybe timed to introduce them against St Johnstone

Wonder who's on the shortlist

If imagine Appleton and that Watford boy will be 2

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Where was the Watford boy linked to us about? I heard it was some guy on twitter but I could never find the tweet.

[WhileTheChief..]

But your point to diss Appleton is he probaly needed to google hibs to find out who we are

No chance Cocu will have heard about the mighty Hibernian FC during his career [emoji23]

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You've totally lost me??!!

Why is this a thing you're asking me about? What's the joke here?

Are you saying Cocu will or won't have heard of Hibs? Why does it matter? What's it got to do with me??

I really don't get it!!

[HendoDelivered]

I reckon we will get someone who’s names not been leaked yet!

[Callum_62]

You've totally lost me??!!

Why is this a thing you're asking me about? What's the joke here?

Are you saying Cocu will or won't have heard of Hibs? Why does it matter? What's it got to do with me??

I really don't get it!!I believe you said

"He's a nobody that probably had to use Google to find out what / who Hibs are.

There is absolutely nothing about him that suggests he should be our manager."

I don't think a big name like Cocu will have a clue who we're are or what we are a out

I just find it an odd thing to bash a potential candidate over

Moving on tho, I do like the bigger playing budget chat that's happening

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[WhileTheChief..]

And down south all they see is a mid table, just, club in a poor top league in Scotland, that's a hard sell.

Some of our fans seem to take a similar view :wink:

[Silky]

Wouldn’t be surprised if our manager search comes from here

https://www.oportosports.com/individuals/

Steve Evans!!! :eek::eek:

[The Harp Awakes]

I reckon we will get someone who’s names not been leaked yet!

Hope so, as I feel underwhelmed by the now so called favourites for the job.

Our support needs to get motivated and buy season tickets. Another droll, run of the mill appointment with an uninspiring personality and we'll be in big trouble.

[Callum_62]

Can we just get someone as cool as Carlo Ancelotti?

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[Northernhibee]

If we appointed someone who has pled guilty of assaulting their wife or ex wife then I’m not sure how unconditional my support of the club would be.

[WhileTheChief..]

Can we just get someone as cool as Carlo Ancelotti?

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Now we're on the same page :greengrin

[The Harp Awakes]

Can we just get someone as cool as Carlo Ancelotti?

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Ice in his veins for sure. What a guy.

[WhileTheChief..]

Hope so, as I feel underwhelmed by the now so called favourites for the job.

Our support needs to get motivated and buy season tickets. Another droll, run of the mill appointment with an uninspiring personality and we'll be in big trouble.

:top marks:thumbsup:

[FitbaFolkKen]

Wouldn’t be surprised if our manager search comes from here

https://www.oportosports.com/individuals/

Alan Macinally, let’s go!


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[Callum_62]

Could the shortlist contain in work managers?

I guess not?

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[Silky]

Could the shortlist contain in work managers?

I guess not?

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No manager worth their salt is going to leave a job for a few months/year at Hibs. They're no daft, they'll see how often the door has revolved. Don't beat Hearts and your out the door! Why would you take the risk!

[seanshow]

No manager worth their salt is going to leave a job for a few months/year at Hibs. They're no daft, they'll see how often the door has revolved. Don't beat Hearts and your out the door! Why would you take the risk!


If you manage a team that is on a run of 3 wins out of 17 games you are going to get the sack @ Raith rovers or Real Madrid. ( That is not, as weegie journos would proclaim 'a bump in the road' )

Losing to your city rivals twice in a week only confirmed the decision I'm afraid.

[K-Zazu]

What’s the latest odds?

[davhibby]

All the big names are just paper talk, it's Hibs not some EPL side recruiting.

Going for mediocre English lower league managers never works for us. Mostly because they expect to be able to come up and treat us like a league 1 team and despite what some people would like to believe, we’re not anything like a league 1 team.

See Hecky as a great example. Even Alexander at Motherwell is going to pay the price for trying to turn them into a league 1/2 esque team of bullies.

[The Harp Awakes]

Going for mediocre English lower league managers never works for us. Mostly because they expect to be able to come up and treat us like a league 1 team and despite what some people would like to believe, we’re not anything like a league 1 team.

See Hecky as a great example. Even Alexander at Motherwell is going to pay the price for trying to turn them into a league 1/2 esque team of bullies.

The big problem with the Hibs job is that the fans want to see attacking football as well as a winning side. Jack Ross initially got 1 right and Shaun Maloney got neither right.

It's a tough gig, but you're right, a lower league English manager with no understanding of Hibs or Scottish football has the odds stacked against him. The likes of Appleton would be a disaster IMO. Would be completely out of his depth.

[MWHIBBIES]

Doncaster and Peterborough. That's some comedown from PSV!!

I'm hoping we're setting our sights a bit higher.

A significant upgrade from sky sports pundit, though.

[Dmas]

The big problem with the Hibs job is that the fans want to see attacking football as well as a winning side. Jack Ross initially got 1 right and Shaun Maloney got neither right.

It's a tough gig, but you're right, a lower league English manager with no understanding of Hibs or Scottish football has the odds stacked against him. The likes of Appleton would be a disaster IMO. Would be completely out of his depth.


I never get this point of view, does this mean that the manager must be a former hibs player? or someone who's played Scottish football? anyone else just wont work? surely if we appoint a good manager and give him the backing and time it doesn't matter where he's come from?

genuine question by the way see this trotted out every time a club in this league need a manager outside the OF, it then raises its head if a foreign OF manager doesn't work out, just don't get the need to narrow the search for some ex Scottish football player

[GreenCastle]

I never get this point of view, does this mean that the manager must be a former hibs player? or someone who's played Scottish football? anyone else just wont work? surely if we appoint a good manager and give him the backing and time it doesn't matter where he's come from?

genuine question by the way see this trotted out every time a club in this league need a manager outside the OF, it then raises its head if a foreign OF manager doesn't work out, just don't get the need to narrow the search for some ex Scottish football player

I don’t think it’s always as black and white as good V bad manager.

The grey area is that Scottish football is quite unique at times. Playing at Tynecastle on a small tight pitch in a derby is different to other games. Some coaches won’t be aware of this and have no idea.

Some coaches won’t know the history of Hibs and I hope the interview process has questions also about the club and what’s happened last few years.

The manager doesn’t need to be an ex player but either they need to be good enough to understand what Scottish football is all about or be able to adapt very quickly. It doesn’t matter where they are from obviously but even the top clubs like Man Utd have risks appointing coaches who haven’t played football or even managed in England before like Ten Hag.

The Celtic and Rangers managers are good examples that both have different history but both have adapted very quickly to club expectations - Gio obviously played here and knows the rangers expectations while having experience abroad winning. Ange has shown he’s a really good manager and adapted very quickly while being backed bringing in good players and having an eye for a good player and what’s needed to succeed over here.

So it’s about balance / recruitment and a manager who can be flexible to the project he’s facing. The style of play may Need to adapt during the Scottish winter for example on a tight pitch. It can’t just be a high level experimental coaching project for the next EPL job in 2 years.

[Silky]

If you manage a team that is on a run of 3 wins out of 17 games you are going to get the sack @ Raith rovers or Real Madrid. ( That is not, as weegie journos would proclaim 'a bump in the road' )

Losing to your city rivals twice in a week only confirmed the decision I'm afraid.

Losing to them twice in a season has the vultures circling!

[McGruber]

My number 1 pick is Michael O'Neill. Wanted him when he was in the running before Northern Ireland and one of my favourite players at Hibs. Just went on Stoke forum to see if he was likely to leave, here is the first post on their Michael O'Neill thread with most views similar including the opinion he doesn't play or know how to play their best attacking players...

I know in not watching live at the ground anymore but I did for nigh on 50 years. Their still my club.
I'm hurting watching this ****.

What is O,Neill thinking when we set up to pass around the back with players who can’t do it. Harwood-Bellis,Fox,Chester etc certainly cannot.
We then have Baker as the only one ready to accept the ball ,as Clucas doesnt want it and Allen incapabable of receiving and passing it so across it goes to the wingabacks

The wing backs either hit it down the line and Brown missscontrols or it goes backwards into trouble as the back three play amongst themselves.

We are so slow & predictable in our play. Hence why we’ve had si many matches in the past couple of months where we have created absolutely nothing.Not even a shot on goal.

The squad we have,its strengths are to attack yet we mostly have seven players in our own half.
Oneil produces this negative ****.
Other teams players on a pittance compared to ours.
Get him gone now were Stoke City. FC not Wycombe ****in Wanderers.

God knows anymore.

Given the noises at Hibs seem to be that they are in the final stages of interviews/end of process probably means that O'Neill and Mowbray, both still in post, are not in the running. They could be but doubt they've spoke to Hibs yet

Looks like Appleton, Clement, Cocu likely candidates from names mentioned.

From that list would take Appleton.

Wouldn't be surprised though if it is a name not even in the press yet... ala Mowbray the 1st time round

[Dmas]

I don’t think it’s always as black and white as good V bad manager.

The grey area is that Scottish football is quite unique at times. Playing at Tynecastle on a small tight pitch in a derby is different to other games. Some coaches won’t be aware of this and have no idea.

Some coaches won’t know the history of Hibs and I hope the interview process has questions also about the club and what’s happened last few years.

The manager doesn’t need to be an ex player but either they need to be good enough to under what Scottish football is all about or be able to adapt very quickly. It doesn’t matter where they are from obviously but even the top clubs like Man Utd have risks appointing coaches who haven’t played football or even managed in England before like Ten Hag.

The Celtic and Rangers managers are good examples that both have different history but both have adapted very quickly to club expectations - Gio obviously played here and knows the rangers expectations while having experience abroad winning. Ange has shown he’s a really good manager and adapted very quickly while being backed bringing in good players and having an eye for a good player and what’s needed to succeed over here.

So it’s about balance / recruitment and a manager who can be flexible to the project he’s facing. The style of play may Need to adapt during the Scottish winter for example on a tight pitch. It can’t just be a high level experimental coaching project for the next EPL job in 2 years.

Makes a lot of sense cheers, It’s a difficult task to get right everyone wants to see this fast flowing attacking football but it’s mostly guys with foreign backgrounds who’s style doesn’t really suit the ‘kick and rush’ Scottish game, there’s no real candidates within the game just now except a guy who does nothing for the owners plans of building a brand in mackay, so a lot of the time we look south to Englands lower tiers as the style is similar but run the risk of appointing someone who totally underestimates the standard of the league.

Don’t envy the task of finding someone one bit, I also think there’s the need for a decent turnaround in players before anyone new will manage to play attacking football, I used to blame JR for the slow turgid stuff but now another guy has gone with same results I’m of the thinking it’s actually the players at fault inability or lack of confidence I’m not sure but there’s no way 2 managers are setting teams up to play in the way we have this season.

[Dmas]

My number 1 pick is Michael O'Neill. Wanted him when he was in the running before Northern Ireland and one of my favourite players at Hibs. Just went on Stoke forum to see if he was likely to leave, here is the first post on their Michael O'Neill thread with most views similar including the opinion he doesn't play or know how to play their best attacking players...

I know in not watching live at the ground anymore but I did for nigh on 50 years. Their still my club.
I'm hurting watching this ****.

What is O,Neill thinking when we set up to pass around the back with players who can’t do it. Harwood-Bellis,Fox,Chester etc certainly cannot.
We then have Baker as the only one ready to accept the ball ,as Clucas doesnt want it and Allen incapabable of receiving and passing it so across it goes to the wingabacks

The wing backs either hit it down the line and Brown missscontrols or it goes backwards into trouble as the back three play amongst themselves.

We are so slow & predictable in our play. Hence why we’ve had si many matches in the past couple of months where we have created absolutely nothing.Not even a shot on goal.

The squad we have,its strengths are to attack yet we mostly have seven players in our own half.
Oneil produces this negative ****.
Other teams players on a pittance compared to ours.
Get him gone now were Stoke City. FC not Wycombe ****in Wanderers.

God knows anymore.

Given the noises at Hibs seem to be that they are in the final stages of interviews/end of process probably means that O'Neill and Mowbray, both still in post, are not in the running. They could be but doubt they've spoke to Hibs yet

Looks like Appleton, Clement, Cocu likely candidates from names mentioned.

From that list would take Appleton.

Wouldn't be surprised though if it is a name not even in the press yet... ala Mowbray the 1st time round

That post could have been lifted from a maloney thread on here, a worry I’d have jumped at the Chance for O’Neill as well.

I don’t think the press have anymore of a clue than we do to be honest I think Hibs are playing it really close to their chest, a lot of names branded about have been linked with other jobs up here in the press guys like keane and Cocu there agents will be trying to get their names out rather than a definite concrete Interest although I’d love to think we could get a guys at least of that pedigree possibly not those 2

[LaMotta]

Unless we pull a majorly exciting rabbit from a hat, we really have made a monumental error not going for Alex Neil or Derek McInnes when they were available before the mad Maloney experiment.

[mayo hibee]

If we want attacking, winning football then we definitely don't want Michael O'Neill, that's for sure. Built his successful NI team around defence and set pieces and tried the same trick at Stoke and has failed miserably.

My views at the moment would be...

Mowbray - pros: ticks a lot of boxes, has managed at a high level, knows Scottish football well, one of a very small number of managers to be successful at Hibs and we played good football under him.

In the negative column for Mowbray is that we might not be able to afford him and expectations might be too high that he will recreate the teenage kicks team even though we don't have those kind of players coming through.

Also, I think there's something in the "you should never go back" viewpoint to football managers. Mowbray will almost certainly have become a more conservative manager over the years and that will disappoint some supporters who expect him to approach games like 2004 Mowbray.

Appleton - pros: Likely to sign young players and play attacking football. Well thought of at his last two clubs, In particular he worked a near miracle in getting Lincoln to the League 1 playoff final. Also seems a bit of a character, think the support would get behind him once they got to know him.

Cons for him are lack of Scottish football experience and unfortunately a section of the Hibs support seem to have a predetermined negative view of him, mainly out of a lack of knowledge of the guy though based on him being a "lower league manager".

Mackay - pros: knows Scottish football, has overachieved at Ross County.

Cons - the text message thing (shouldn't be an issue at this stage surely but might be for some). Also currently in post so compensation would maybe need to be paid - not sure of his contract status.

I wouldn't be disappointed with any of those three to be honest. None of the other names going around sound particularly appealing though.

[mayo hibee]

Unless we pull a majorly exciting rabbit from a hat, we really have made a monumental error not going for Alex Neil or Derek McInnes when they were available before the mad Maloney experiment.

Depends what people are looking for I suppose. Both set their teams up negatively and don't play good football. They'd probably both produce improved results though, so as long as supporters were happy to watch awful football, but get some decent results they would have been fine.

But then we had that with Ross and the same supporters wanted him gone...

[LaMotta]

Depends what people are looking for I suppose. Both set their teams up negatively and don't play good football. They'd probably both produce improved results though, so as long as supporters were happy to watch awful football, but get some decent results they would have been fine.

But then we had that with Ross and the same supporters wanted him gone...

If they were winning games and getting decent results overall then they wouldn't be serving up awful football. I don't care how a manager sets his team up as long as it gets results.

This idea that we must have a specific manager who serves up a special magic brand of exciting attacking winning flair football needs binned. Because a manager like that doesn't exist.

[bingo70]

Depends what people are looking for I suppose. Both set their teams up negatively and don't play good football. They'd probably both produce improved results though, so as long as supporters were happy to watch awful football, but get some decent results they would have been fine.

But then we had that with Ross and the same supporters wanted him gone...

Correct, after a bad spell like we have had under Maloney those options always look attractive. I still don’t think they would have been good long term options for the club though. By long term I mean into next season, we obviously want to get someone that will get bums on seats, I don’t think McInnes would have done that, I don’t know much about Alex Neil In terms of how he gets his team playing.

[bingo70]

If they were winning games and getting decent results overall then they wouldn't be serving up awful football.

This idea that we must have a specific manager who serves up a special magic brand of exciting winning flair football needs binned. Because a manager like that doesn't exist.

This is where I think the message has been lost in translation. I was bored out my mind watching Hibs under Jack Ross, absolutely couldn’t stand him as our manager. I want attacking football but that doesn’t necessarily mean playing like Brazil 70. I just thought we were so passive and ***** to watch.

I want our next manager to have us playing on the front foot and with an aggressive tenacious midfield and players that get us off our seats. Doesn’t need to be flair football all the time like some are suggesting that’s what we are demanding.

[LaMotta]

Correct, after a bad spell like we have had under Maloney those options always look attractive. I still don’t think they would have been good long term options for the club though. By long term I mean into next season, we obviously want to get someone that will get bums on seats, I don’t think McInnes would have done that, I don’t know much about Alex Neil In terms of how he gets his team playing.

Yeah but the problem is that there are not other exciting names out there that will get bums on seats. Keane is the only name linked with the job that genuinely would have done that.

[mayo hibee]

If they were winning games and getting decent results overall then they wouldn't be serving up awful football. I don't care how a manager sets his team up as long as it gets results.




Your views are different from what a lot of other supporters views were when Ross had us strolling to third in the league last season then.


Yeah but the problem is that there are not other exciting names out there that will get bums on seats. Keane is the only name linked with the job that genuinely would have done that.

Keane would have done that initially but there's nothing in his record to suggest it would have been anything other than a short term boost. Once the results didn't improve the crowds would just fade away again.

Better to get a lower profile manager who can actually get the team playing attacking, winning football. That's what will get the crowds back and keep them involved.

[LaMotta]

This is where I think the message has been lost in translation. I was bored out my mind watching Hibs under Jack Ross, absolutely couldn’t stand him as our manager. I want attacking football but that doesn’t necessarily mean playing like Brazil 70. I just thought we were so passive and ***** to watch.

I want our next manager to have us playing on the front foot and with an aggressive tenacious midfield and players that get us off our seats. Doesn’t need to be flair football all the time like some are suggesting that’s what we are demanding.

Why wouldnt Neil or McInnes have done that though?

Football management is less about managerial systems and philosiphies and more about recruiting good players and motivating them.

If you can do that then you end up with an exciting team that wins regularly.

Ross's run at the end was poor but he had us 3 nil up by half time 3 times last season. Were you really bored stiff watching those games?

[LaMotta]

Your views are different from what a lot of other supporters views were when Ross had us strolling to third in the league last season then.

Well yes, but I think thats a minority of vocal fans and I think its a mythical idea that gets banded about. Hence my second paragraph ( which you omitted) that says the idea needs binned.

Majority of fans were delighted with Ross when we headed to Ibrox in the Autumn top of the league. This view changed because we stopped winning games not because of some lack of flair as some people suggest.

[LaMotta]

Keane would have done that initially but there's nothing in his record to suggest it would have been anything other than a short term boost. Once the results didn't improve the crowds would just fade away again.

Better to get a lower profile manager who can actually get the team playing attacking, winning football. That's what will get the crowds back and keep them involved.

I think Keane could have done well over a couple of seasons. I accept reservations about him too. We'll never know.

But then that brings us back to your last para - someone like Neil or McInnes surely - so I think we are on the same page?

[bingo70]

Why wouldnt Neil or McInnes have done that though?

Football management is less about managerial systems and philosiphies and more about recruiting good players and motivating them.

If you can do that then you end up with an exciting team that wins regularly.

Ross's run at the end was poor but he had us 3 nil up by half time 3 times last season. Were you really bored stiff watching those games?

Just trying to remember those games, rangers at Hampden? Clearly wouldn’t be bored at that game. We were excellent that day.

What were the other ones? Dundee Utd in the league cup? I don’t think we were particularly good that day, I really don’t, sorry. Second half time was a shocker from what I remember and we benefited from a dodgy penalty call I think as well as maybe them having a goal disallowed?

Ross county at home the other one I think? I was on holiday for that game but I remember hearing we were good that day.

Overall though, yes, I found his Hibs teams mind numbingly boring.

Winning regularly isn’t the be all and end all for me, how we play to get there is important too. I remember we beat St Johnstone 1-0 with a penalty after they went down to 10 men and leaving the ground thinking how ***** that still was.

End of the day, everybody is different, some people just want to win no matter what else, I want to enjoy watching us play and win.

[WhileTheChief..]

A significant upgrade from sky sports pundit, though.

You know lockdown is over yeah?

You're allowed out the house to meet folk now, you don't need to stay home picking fights on here.

We've all moved on from Keane. Why not do the same?

[mcfly]

Appleton don’t know much about him but if he turned us down before why are we considering him?

Mowbray for me if he wants it - maybe Scott brown as assistant?

[Callum_62]

Appleton don’t know much about him but if he turned us down before why are we considering him?

Mowbray for me if he wants it - maybe Scott brown as assistant?

Im guessing because we are all adults, coupled by the fact we have different owners

We couldn't agree terms last time - it happens

That shouldn't rule him out if we think he meets our needs

[Coco Bryce]

Im guessing because we are all adults, coupled by the fact we have different owners

We couldn't agree terms last time - it happens

That shouldn't rule him out if we think he meets our needs

Judging by our last two managers I would imagine our 'Sacking Package' will be less attractive than before.

[truehibernian]

Appleton don’t know much about him but if he turned us down before why are we considering him?

Mowbray for me if he wants it - maybe Scott brown as assistant?

This 😊 SB could play for another season or two as well either starting or as cover - that’s my preferred management team too. Mowbray’s temperament is exactly what we need right now, calm heads but a defined (and known) way of playing, whilst also having the supports backing. He’s managed big clubs since, which you also have to caveat when you look at the opposing budgets of teams up against in the EPL and Championship- his record is still very very good.

[LaMotta]

Just trying to remember those games, rangers at Hampden? Clearly wouldn’t be bored at that game. We were excellent that day.

What were the other ones? Dundee Utd in the league cup? I don’t think we were particularly good that day, I really don’t, sorry. Second half time was a shocker from what I remember and we benefited from a dodgy penalty call I think as well as maybe them having a goal disallowed?

Ross county at home the other one I think? I was on holiday for that game but I remember hearing we were good that day.

Overall though, yes, I found his Hibs teams mind numbingly boring.

Winning regularly isn’t the be all and end all for me, how we play to get there is important too. I remember we beat St Johnstone 1-0 with a penalty after they went down to 10 men and leaving the ground thinking how ***** that still was.

End of the day, everybody is different, some people just want to win no matter what else, I want to enjoy watching us play and win.

Fair enough mate but who was the last manager that did that for you at Hibs? And why could it not be McInnes or Neil?

I think the fact we weren't able to go to the games when Ross took us to third has clouded judgements of him a bit.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just trying to remember those games, rangers at Hampden? Clearly wouldn’t be bored at that game. We were excellent that day.

What were the other ones? Dundee Utd in the league cup? I don’t think we were particularly good that day, I really don’t, sorry. Second half time was a shocker from what I remember and we benefited from a dodgy penalty call I think as well as maybe them having a goal disallowed?

Ross county at home the other one I think? I was on holiday for that game but I remember hearing we were good that day.

Overall though, yes, I found his Hibs teams mind numbingly boring.

Winning regularly isn’t the be all and end all for me, how we play to get there is important too. I remember we beat St Johnstone 1-0 with a penalty after they went down to 10 men and leaving the ground thinking how ***** that still was.

End of the day, everybody is different, some people just want to win no matter what else, I want to enjoy watching us play and win.

Agree with all of this.

Also, McInnes would have been the exact same because his philosophy is very similar to JR. Aberdeen fans got sick fed up of him despite them almost always being top 4 under him.

Unless something has changed then McInnes was never the right man to replace JR given how boring people found our football under him.

I’ve no idea about Alex Neil as I’ve no idea what type of football his teams play.

[bingo70]

Fair enough mate but who was the last manager that did that for you at Hibs? And why could it not be McInnes or Neil?

I think the fact we weren't able to go to the games when Ross took us to third has clouded judgements of him a bit.

Neil Lennon when we were good under him was like that. Even under Stubbs although it was obviously at a lower level, also far too many bad results under him. Going back further, Mowbrey and McLeish were brilliant times watching Hibs.

At the start of the season I wanted to give Ross the benefit of the doubt and I wanted to put it down to being bored as we couldn’t get to the ground. I really enjoyed Fir Park on the opening day of the season and we were apparently very good against Ross County. For some reason though not long after that we reverted back to last season and I hated watching us again.

[Clarence]

Unless we pull a majorly exciting rabbit from a hat, we really have made a monumental error not going for Alex Neil or Derek McInnes when they were available before the mad Maloney experiment.

Absolutely.

[J-C]

Your views are different from what a lot of other supporters views were when Ross had us strolling to third in the league last season then.



Keane would have done that initially but there's nothing in his record to suggest it would have been anything other than a short term boost. Once the results didn't improve the crowds would just fade away again.

Better to get a lower profile manager who can actually get the team playing attacking, winning football. That's what will get the crowds back and keep them involved.


3rd in a poor league, poor Aberdeen and no Hearts, add in no fans and boring take no risks football. We want and deserve better, it doesn't have to be an exciting name, as long as he gets us winning with a bit of flair. Give me JC's 5-1 winning team, or Lennon's 2nd half of the season team.

[LaMotta]

Agree with all of this.

Also, McInnes would have been the exact same because his philosophy is very similar to JR. Aberdeen fans got sick fed up of him despite them almost always being top 4 under him.

Unless something has changed then McInnes was never the right man to replace JR given how boring people found our football under him.

I’ve no idea about Alex Neil as I’ve no idea what type of football his teams play.

Yeh and look at Aberdeen now:greengrin I think he will do really well with Killie, but we will see.

I would have preferred Neil over McInnes. Here is a view from a Preston fan about him:

"His ability to come in and get results quickly are a strength of his which you could see in his spell at Norwich and in his first season with us.

He plays with an emphasis on pressing from the front and putting the opposition under pressure. Not afraid to play out from the back either - when PNE were at their best, it was box office viewing."

Sounds alright.

But my original point was that based on the fact Maloney was a shocking appointment added in to the uninspiring names being banded about now, Neil or to a lesser extent McInnes not being appointed in December was a missed opportunity. Unless, as I've said, Hibs pull a rabbit out the hat now. I can't see that though, hope I'm wrong.

[SlickShoes]

3rd in a poor league, poor Aberdeen and no Hearts, add in no fans and boring take no risks football. We want and deserve better, it doesn't have to be an exciting name, as long as he gets us winning with a bit of flair. Give me JC's 5-1 winning team, or Lennon's 2nd half of the season team.

So is Hearts finishing 3rd this year deemed crap because the league contained a weak Hibs and even weaker Aberdeen?

[bingo70]

So is Hearts finishing 3rd this year deemed crap because the league contained a weak Hibs and even weaker Aberdeen?

Ask Hearts fans if they’ve enjoyed this season and they’ll say they have.

Ask a lot of Hibs fans (not all) the same question and a lot of them will say they didn’t.

I understand the arguments and Ross deserved credit for us finishing 3rd, he really did even though I didn’t like his team. The team that finished 4th that season went 10 or 11 games I think it was without scoring a goal though so for me, it’s perfectly possible to give him credit for finishing 3rd while also recognising that we didn’t have much of a challenge that year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So is Hearts finishing 3rd this year deemed crap because the league contained a weak Hibs and even weaker Aberdeen?

I think we’ve seen plenty on here that people have said they don’t reckon Hearts are all that and I’d agree. They’ve probably finished 3rd by one of the biggest margins I can remember.

Finishing 3rd is never crap and I don’t think anyone has ever said that about last season. It’s the best any non OF team can do. I think depending on the quality of the others teams in the league though it can be more of an achievement some seasons than others.

Finishing 3rd is always a good achievement but I don’t think it necessarily means you’re a great side.

[Clarence]

This 😊 SB could play for another season or two as well either starting or as cover - that’s my preferred management team too. Mowbray’s temperament is exactly what we need right now, calm heads but a defined (and known) way of playing, whilst also having the supports backing. He’s managed big clubs since, which you also have to caveat when you look at the opposing budgets of teams up against in the EPL and Championship- his record is still very very good.

His record at Celtic is not good which is arguably a more important statistic than his record in England. He only won 51% of his games when he was Celtic manager, no wonder he was so happy when he won at Easter rd. Remember the stickies banner “at least john Barnes could rap”? He left the game in Scotland as a laughing stock.

[Since452]

Unless we pull a majorly exciting rabbit from a hat, we really have made a monumental error not going for Alex Neil or Derek McInnes when they were available before the mad Maloney experiment.

:agree: Yup. A ridiculous error of judgement. We should have asked Neil to name his price if he wasn't sure about returning to Scotland. Maloney was an absolute punt. Anyway, they have an opportunity to make up for it.

[Unseen work]

Someone on Twitter insinuating Hibs Twitter will interesting tonight/tomorrow.

Also saying we will sign a new fans favourite.

Anyone else heard anything or know what he’s on about?

https://twitter.com/kb2021hfc?s=21&t=r3C8yUke5o7Ns6eQKvrqSg

[04Sauzee]

Someone on Twitter insinuating Hibs Twitter will interesting tonight/tomorrow.

Also saying we will sign a new fans favourite.

Anyone else heard anything or know what he’s on about?

https://twitter.com/kb2021hfc?s=21&t=r3C8yUke5o7Ns6eQKvrqSg
Possibly a slaver, he also tweeted this

https://twitter.com/KB2021HFC/status/1521233151879749632?t=X4sM8RThn2qhfLKdQ7WlNw&s=19

Think he's just fishing myself.

[WhileTheChief..]

Still hoping we get a fans favourite as manager.

[ian cruise]

Someone on Twitter insinuating Hibs Twitter will interesting tonight/tomorrow.

Also saying we will sign a new fans favourite.

Anyone else heard anything or know what he’s on about?

https://twitter.com/kb2021hfc?s=21&t=r3C8yUke5o7Ns6eQKvrqSg

Return of Boyle I'm guessing.

[GreenCastle]

Think there is something about getting a manager that adds excitement to match days.

Not a mad person on sidelines but someone who shows some passion in a controlled manner.

You maybe have to blame Klopp etc but fans want a figure head who they can relate to.

Think Lennon aeroplane celebration - as mad as it was - fans loved it. I know at the same time Lennon did some crazy things.

My worry is Hibs hire a vanilla yes man manager who will come in and give the current set of players a chance.

We need someone who knows how we have played this season and makes changes straight away. This has to be linked to the interview process so hope Ben and co ask these questions and not just philosophy and giving youth a chance as anyone can talk about that stuff.

[green day]

Someone on Twitter

You almost had me until I read that.................

[04Sauzee]

Think there is something about getting a manager that adds excitement to match days.

Not a mad person on sidelines but someone who shows some passion in a controlled manner.

You maybe have to blame Klopp etc but fans want a figure head who they can relate to.

Think Lennon aeroplane celebration - as mad as it was - fans loved it. I know at the same time Lennon did some crazy things.

My worry is Hibs hire a vanilla yes man manager who will come in and give the current set of players a chance.

We need someone who knows how we have played this season and makes changes straight away. This has to be linked to the interview process so hope Ben and co ask these questions and not just philosophy and giving youth a chance as anyone can talk about that stuff.

I'm not sure he will be able to give the current set of players a chance

We have a squad of 25 now that Mueller is away

3 of them are GK's

The following are likely to go

James Scott
Scott Allan
Dray Wright

The likes of McGregor and Stevenson will not get much game time McGregor especially

Will the new guy want Rocky and Jasper?

Will McGinn get a new contract and will Clarke be recalled by Arsenal?

Will Nisbet and MaGennis be fit for the new season

The new manager will have a new squad in place

[K-Zazu]

Is Diego simeone available?

[LaMotta]

His record at Celtic is not good which is arguably a more important statistic than his record in England. He only won 51% of his games when he was Celtic manager, no wonder he was so happy when he won at Easter rd. Remember the stickies banner “at least john Barnes could rap”? He left the game in Scotland as a laughing stock.

He obviously brought some relatively good times to Hibs but it's pretty mad to think how fondly Mowbray is remembered given he got beat 4-0, 4-1 and 4-0 by Hearts all in the one season. I don't think any Hibs manager would survive that these days with forums and social media baying for blood.

[04Sauzee]

End of next week a possibility.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-next-manager-timeline-revealed-as-transfer-process-and-ian-gordons-role-in-it-explained-3680892

[JimBHibees]

End of next week a possibility.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-next-manager-timeline-revealed-as-transfer-process-and-ian-gordons-role-in-it-explained-3680892


Go into quite a lot of detail re Ian Gordon's role which is useful to know.

[AgentDaleCooper]

He obviously brought some relatively good times to Hibs but it's pretty mad to think how fondly Mowbray is remembered given he got beat 4-0, 4-1 and 4-0 by Hearts all in the one season. I don't think any Hibs manager would survive that these days with forums and social media baying for blood.

probably something to do with the facts that he played great football, got us into fourth place, pushing Rangers for third, and beat said club 3 times, and on two of those occasions, 3-0 at ibrox - all in the same season.

We also all knew really that Hearts had bought those results.

Having said all this, when looking at the stats for that season, it is slightly worrying the extent to which we fell apart after Christmas - possibly due to selling O'Connor, to be fair.

[CapitalGreen]

He obviously brought some relatively good times to Hibs but it's pretty mad to think how fondly Mowbray is remembered given he got beat 4-0, 4-1 and 4-0 by Hearts all in the one season. I don't think any Hibs manager would survive that these days with forums and social media baying for blood.

No manager will face a Hearts team like that these days though, that season was the peak of Hearts on steroids under Romanov where they split the old firm. They had a huge squad packed with talent they couldn’t afford and a spine of Gordon, Webster, Pressley and Hartley who would go on to amass 150 odd caps for Scotland and win multiple trophies with the old firm.

[GreenCastle]

"Rather than having a major vote as part of a committee, the process is collaborative.

The 29-year-old is charged with laying the groundwork, inputting criteria, such as position, price, attributes, into a database and using a combination of statistics and agent recommendations to draw up a list of players for the manager to consider.

The club are emphatic that the manager has the final say on which of those possible signings to pursue and chief executive Kensell is then left to negotiate a deal that falls within the club’s budget."

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[J-C]

So is Hearts finishing 3rd this year deemed crap because the league contained a weak Hibs and even weaker Aberdeen?

They are the best of the rest as we were, not a great achievement considering how poor us and Aberdeen have been. They recruited far better than us and it shows but they're not great, just better than everyone else below them, as we were last season. Although we got 3rd, which was a good achievement it was boring as hell to watch.

[bigwheel]

"Rather than having a major vote as part of a committee, the process is collaborative.

The 29-year-old is charged with laying the groundwork, inputting criteria, such as position, price, attributes, into a database and using a combination of statistics and agent recommendations to draw up a list of players for the manager to consider.

The club are emphatic that the manager has the final say on which of those possible signings to pursue and chief executive Kensell is then left to negotiate a deal that falls within the club’s budget."

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Find that helpful and reasonable …also the fact it will be end of next week suggests a deep process rather than just a name hunt..doesn’t mean we will get it right, these things are not a perfect science , but gives me confidence in the approach …

[AugustaHibs]

Possibly a slaver, he also tweeted this

https://twitter.com/KB2021HFC/status/1521233151879749632?t=X4sM8RThn2qhfLKdQ7WlNw&s=19

Think he's just fishing myself.

Sure he’s the grandson of Anne budge’s brother.

[WhileTheChief..]

The article didn't tell us anything new. It was a plea for Hibs fans to get off Ian's back, nothing more.

This isn't going to end well.

I'll bet that when the new man is announced, the reception for him is going to be flat, similar to when Maloney got the gig.

We're going to be left scratching our heads going wtf again.

[LaMotta]

probably something to do with the facts that he played great football, got us into fourth place, pushing Rangers for third, and beat said club 3 times, and on two of those occasions, 3-0 at ibrox - all in the same season.

We also all knew really that Hearts had bought those results.

Having said all this, when looking at the stats for that season, it is slightly worrying the extent to which we fell apart after Christmas - possibly due to selling O'Connor, to be fair.


No manager will face a Hearts team like that these days though, that season was the peak of Hearts on steroids under Romanov where they split the old firm. They had a huge squad packed with talent they couldn’t afford and a spine of Gordon, Webster, Pressley and Hartley who would go on to amass 150 odd caps for Scotland and win multiple trophies with the old firm.

Yeah you are both right of course, they are still awful results though and think things would be different if that all happened in today's mad world.

[GreenCastle]

Find that helpful and reasonable …also the fact it will be end of next week suggests a deep process rather than just a name hunt..doesn’t mean we will get it right, these things are not a perfect science , but gives me confidence in the approach …

Obviously they have a process but the slight worry is if Ian doesn't get what we are actually needing to improve.

Leadership strength for example - a new captain. How does he measure this?

Would the manager go to Ian and say I need these types of player -what have you found?

Gone are the days of the manager doing it all - but both Maloney and Ross reading between the lines seemed to not be happy with the recruitment.

Only time will tell if them club have learnt from last 2 windows - some say they were fine - I disagree. Better windows and we wouldn't be in the current mess and bottom 6.

[LaMotta]

The article didn't tell us anything new. It was a plea for Hibs fans to get off Ian's back, nothing more.

This isn't going to end well.

I'll bet that when the new man is announced, the reception for him is going to be flat, similar to when Maloney got the gig.

We're going to be left scratching our heads going wtf again.

Whilst I know some people will be pleased, it worries me that according to the article we didn't even respond to Keane's note of interest.

[ahibby]

Go into quite a lot of detail re Ian Gordon's role which is useful to know.

Yes, and without knowing Ian Gordon, I can't say that I ever was concerned about him replacing Mr Mathie. The new regime has made errrors, but Mathie was involved in the Mueller move and no doubt other incomings which did not produce what was needed, the leftback whose name I've forgotten unless I remember it correctly as James, was it? Who came and left quickly while Mathie was in the job, no? So the league form and standard of play has us all thinking there is a problem in the recruitment department when it might all have been down to circumstances and coaching. Surely we can give a new regime some rope, they are new to it and can surely be given some understanding when they make rooky mistakes, as long as it's not repeated over and over again. I know I haven't gotten everything one hundred per cent right moving into a new role, but I know that any mistakes I've made in a new role were not repeated and fixed. The nature of the game though is that every club messes up with some signings that don't work out, just look at Aberdeen, but all clubs mess up. I'm waiting to see who is appointed and what players we have by the start of the season and hope and expect to see signs of something resembling a top six side able to compete for third and cups. Having watched our first game against Motherwell away this season, I thought we had one then, but then injuries messed that up, highlighting the lack of cover we had and the dependence we had on our top players all being available to play together. After Magennis went out, our midfield didn't look as effective and after Doidge went out even Nisbet looked dud often. January saw the development players come in and some to me, at least look well capable of filling gaps when needed if not looking like week in week out replacements. We will find out how the new manager sees things though, but depth is going to be key. Reading that article in the Scotsman it seems to me Tony Mowbray is a real contender. Many will have fond memories, I have some, but I also noted during his tenure, that he had us playing initially as one unit, when one player moved they all moved relatively. I noticed that despite that being very effective, there came a time when it stopped and I wondered if it coincided with a move to a bigger club being offered to him. However, it's doubtful that would be repeated but he is aging and not being offered a new contract at his present club so no wonder some, like me would have doubts. I am still looking forward to next season, perhaps with some angst but if the board learn from their mistakes it could be a goodin.

[bigwheel]

Obviously they have a process but the slight worry is if Ian doesn't get what we are actually needing to improve.

Leadership strength for example - a new captain. How does he measure this?

Would the manager go to Ian and say I need these types of player -what have you found?

Gone are the days of the manager doing it all - but both Maloney and Ross reading between the lines seemed to not be happy with the recruitment.

Only time will tell if them club have learnt from last 2 windows - some say they were fine - I disagree. Better windows and we wouldn't be in the current mess and bottom 6.

I’m assuming there will be well defined skills and competency models in football that he and his team will be using exploring with the manager and those around them to define the right attributes they are searching for ..we can’t be the first to try to solve that issue ..

I also think the days is the importance of the captain on the pitch is gone . We need many leader types in the team. Porto for example is the defensive leader when he plays - regardless of who has the arm band ..Newell is good st this too ..but yes , more of those type will be helpful in our rebuild ….

[CapitalGreen]

Yeah you are both right of course, they are still awful results though and think things would be different if that all happened in today's mad world.

Then it’s us that need to take a look at ourselves if it did.

While those results in isolation were awful to take, we had some brilliant wins of our own that season like when we ended their unbeaten run and had two 3-0 wins at Ibrox. Maloney, Hecky and, to a lesser extent, Ross didn’t have such a back catalogue of excellent performances to fall back on when things went bad.

[GreenCastle]

I’m assuming there will be well defined skills and competency models in football that he and his team will be using exploring with the manager and those around them to define the right attributes they are searching for ..we can’t be the first to try to solve that issue ..

I also think the days is the importance of the captain on the pitch is gone . We need many leader types in the team. Porto for example is the defensive leader when he plays - regardless of who has the arm band ..Newell is good st this too ..but yes , more of those type will be helpful in our rebuild ….

Yup I assumed that too. Just curious as I know Hearts recruitment talked about the player fit and understanding the culture at the club.

Hibs need to get that connection back with players and fans. Think Cammy Devlin for example - He 100% gets what Hearts are about.

Porto could easily be sold in near future so need to be careful with team leadership and identity.

If Hanlon / Porto / McGregor aren't involved we are really needing others to step up - basically new players to set the tone. Don't think Newell has it in him.

[Unseen work]

We’ve been told plenty of time what Gordon’s role is, some just refuse to believe it and think there’s something more sinister going on.

Remember when some were convinced Clarke would never play for us and almost questioning his injury due to rangers having an interest? Mental.

In a way I’m glad the board didn’t get lured in with Keane purely on his name, I’d hate for them to do something they never felt was the right move just to appease some or to have a big name.

[bigwheel]

Yup I assumed that too. Just curious as I know Hearts recruitment talked about the player fit and understanding the culture at the club.

Hibs need to get that connection back with players fans.

Porto could easily be sold in near future so need to be careful with team leadership and identity.

If Hanlon / Porto / McGregor aren't involved we are really needing others to step up - basically new players to set the tone. Don't think Newell has it in him.

Your team leadership and identity points are important ones..when George craig was here, we had a defined style of play , it gave us our identity - regardless of who the manager is - we seem to have lost that and it shows - much more of a random group of players signed in more recent times - and yes , that lack of leadership and togetherness seems to be obvious

[WhileTheChief..]

If we can turn our nose up at Keane's interest, and didn't even follow it up with a chat, we must have some amazing candidates to interview. So that's something.

Would be cool if the press had got wind of some of these guys' names' so we could have avoided all the chat on Mackay, Appleton, Mowbray etc. but at least it's getting exciting again.

[GreenCastle]

Your team leadership and identity points are important ones..when George craig was here, we had a defined style of play , it gave us our identity - regardless of who the manager is - we seem to have lost that and it shows - much more of a random group of players signed in more recent times - and yes , that lack of leadership and togetherness seems to be obvious

We will see very shortly with the age of players too - we have talked about this under 24/25 age but the experience is needed so will they take that on board. Not saying all older players are better but if we keep signing young players we will face similar issues.

[bigwheel]

We will see very shortly with the age of players too - we have talked about this under 24/25 age but the experience is needed so will they take that on board. Not saying all older players are better but if we keep signing young players we will face similar issues.

Yeah. We seemed to get that mix wrong over last couple of transfer windows

[GreenCastle]

If we can turn our nose up at Keane's interest, and didn't even follow it up with a chat, we must have some amazing candidates to interview. So that's something.

Would be cool if the press had got wind of some of these guys' names' so we could have avoided all the chat on Mackay, Appleton, Mowbray etc. but at least it's getting exciting again.

It reads Keane rejected us.

"It had been suggested that the former Manchester United midfielder had withdrawn his interest after learning about the club’s ‘transfer committee’, which he was led to believe that recruitment was decided on a committee vote rather than the manager having the final say."

[Unseen work]

It reads Keane rejected us.

"It had been suggested that the former Manchester United midfielder had withdrawn his interest after learning about the club’s ‘transfer committee’, which he was led to believe that recruitment was decided on a committee vote rather than the manager having the final say."

No it says that is what was suggested, further down the article it says we never followed up his interest

[Northernhibee]

If we can turn our nose up at Keane's interest, and didn't even follow it up with a chat, we must have some amazing candidates to interview. So that's something.

Would be cool if the press had got wind of some of these guys' names' so we could have avoided all the chat on Mackay, Appleton, Mowbray etc. but at least it's getting exciting again.

Keane wasn't a very good manager back in the day and he's been out of it for eleven years. No idea why he has been getting any more of the time of day than any other TV pundit.

[LaMotta]

It reads Keane rejected us.

"It had been suggested that the former Manchester United midfielder had withdrawn his interest after learning about the club’s ‘transfer committee’, which he was led to believe that recruitment was decided on a committee vote rather than the manager having the final say."

You need to read on though as it then says that wasn't true and actually Hibs just never got back to his reprsentatives as Hibs didnt think he was what we needed.

[CapitalGreen]

If we can turn our nose up at Keane's interest, and didn't even follow it up with a chat, we must have some amazing candidates to interview. So that's something.

Would be cool if the press had got wind of some of these guys' names' so we could have avoided all the chat on Mackay, Appleton, Mowbray etc. but at least it's getting exciting again.

This you? 👇




We've all moved on from Keane. Why not do the same?

[silverhibee]

Still hoping we get a fans favourite as manager.

Yogi :dunno:

[silverhibee]

Return of Boyle I'm guessing.

How much we paying for him. Will be a club record fee to get him.

[.Sean.]

How much we paying for him. Will be a club record fee to get him.
Are folk seriously starting to think this is a goer?

[silverhibee]

Find that helpful and reasonable …also the fact it will be end of next week suggests a deep process rather than just a name hunt..doesn’t mean we will get it right, these things are not a perfect science , but gives me confidence in the approach …

No matter what not everyone is going to be happy with our next manager, a few defeats and the same crew will be out screaming for Ron to sack him, would be just good if we could come together as supporters and just get behind him and give him the support, but as we seen with Maloney, even before he had managed a game plenty had already made up there minds he would be a disaster, turned out he was but we are just not giving folk at the club anytime to get things sorted.

[WhileTheChief..]

Keane wasn't a very good manager back in the day and he's been out of it for eleven years. No idea why he has been getting any more of the time of day than any other TV pundit.

I'm assuming it's because he was interested in the job and that he's the only pundit that was.

We wouldn't even have had him as a rumour on here to discuss if it wasn't him putting his name forward.

If Rio Ferdinand said he was interested, we'd have a 20-page thread on him.

[Clarence]

He obviously brought some relatively good times to Hibs but it's pretty mad to think how fondly Mowbray is remembered given he got beat 4-0, 4-1 and 4-0 by Hearts all in the one season. I don't think any Hibs manager would survive that these days with forums and social media baying for blood.

I recall having very mixed feelings about his time at ER. We had a number of talented attacking players and we were exciting to watch but we were also “powder puff” and “boy band” and rarely turned up vs hearts.

[WhileTheChief..]

No matter what not everyone is going to be happy with our next manager, a few defeats and the same crew will be out screaming for Ron to sack him, would be just good if we could come together as supporters and just get behind him and give him the support, but as we seen with Maloney, even before he had managed a game plenty had already made up there minds he would be a disaster, turned out he was but we are just not giving folk at the club anytime to get things sorted.

Only if we go for a no-mark, pipsqueak of a manager again.

If we get someone of a decent calibre the fans will 100% be behind him.

You wanted us all to get behind Maloney. At least you see that we were right all along.

The fans generally are. We supported Mowbray, McLeish, Stubbs and Lennon because they were decent.

We wanted rid of Duffy, Butcher, Calderwood, Heckingbottom and Maloney because they were gash.

That's the way it should be. You seem to think we should support every manager no matter what. I'm dead against that. If we have the wrong man in charge we need to make the change. That, to me, is common sense. Your approach isn't.

[Coco Bryce]

Keane wasn't a very good manager back in the day and he's been out of it for eleven years. No idea why he has been getting any more of the time of day than any other TV pundit.

His agent informed Hibs his client was interested in the post.

And that was a far as it got I believe. Hibs told them early doors he wasn't what they were looking for and that was that.

[JeMeSouviens]

He obviously brought some relatively good times to Hibs but it's pretty mad to think how fondly Mowbray is remembered given he got beat 4-0, 4-1 and 4-0 by Hearts all in the one season. I don't think any Hibs manager would survive that these days with forums and social media baying for blood.

Probably because the same season we also beat them twice and also skelped the Huns 3 times - 3-0 at Ibrox, twice! And all on a budget less than half of what Hearts were spending and about 10% of the Old Huns, probably even less than that taking into account their tax dodging ways. And we played breathtaking football at times, albeit inconsistently.

[bigwheel]

His agent informed Hibs his client was interested in the post.

And that was a far as it got I believe. Hibs told them early doors he wasn't what they were looking for and that was that.

I don’t mind that Shows they know the sort of person they are looking for …

[CapitalGreen]

Only if we go for a no-mark, pipsqueak of a manager again.

If we get someone of a decent calibre the fans will 100% be behind him.

You wanted us all to get behind Maloney. At least you see that we were right all along.

The fans generally are. We supported Mowbray, McLeish, Stubbs and Lennon because they were decent.

We wanted rid of Duffy, Butcher, Calderwood, Heckingbottom and Maloney because they were gash.

That's the way it should be. You seem to think we should support every manager no matter what. I'm dead against that. If we have the wrong man in charge we need to make the change. That, to me, is common sense. Your approach isn't.

Fans were nearly overwhelmingly supportive of the appointment of Butcher to the extent that there would have been outrage among large numbers of the support if we had appointed someone else.

[JeMeSouviens]

Fans were nearly overwhelmingly supportive of the appointment of Butcher to the extent that there would have been outrage among large numbers of the support if we had appointed someone else.

And Mowbray was met with a lot of "Tony Who?" type comments. Initial reactions don't matter: if they do well they'll be supported, otherwise hounded.

[Northernhibee]

Only if we go for a no-mark, pipsqueak of a manager again.



See if the person who is most likely to get us winning is the U9's girls coach of the St. Nowhere Village Pub Team? Doesn't matter their background.

Michael Appleton isn't a no mark,he's shown at two clubs that he's a capable manager. The idea we'd appoint someone because he's off the telly over a manager playing at lower league level down south or even up here is the most ridiculous idea.

[CapitalGreen]

And Mowbray was met with a lot of "Tony Who?" type comments. Initial reactions don't matter: if they do well they'll be supported, otherwise hounded.

Some people seem to have made up their minds already that if it’s anyone other than Keane then they won’t be supportive.

[silverhibee]

Are folk seriously starting to think this is a goer?

Not me Sean, Boyle left us for big money and we got a good fee for him, I was suggesting that if we wanted him back it will cost us millions in a transfer fee, it ain’t happening for that reason.

[CapitalGreen]

Not me Sean, Boyle left us for big money and we got a good fee for him, I was suggesting that if we wanted him back it will cost us millions in a transfer fee, it ain’t happening for that reason.

People need to stop searching “hibs” on twitter and being fooled by folk pretending to be journalists or kids clearly at the wind up. I’m not suggesting you are one of those people btw.

[GibbytheHibby2]

Are folk seriously starting to think this is a goer?

the tweet says a NEW fans favourite. If it was Boyle, it would surely have said a return of a fans favourite.

[bigwheel]

No matter what not everyone is going to be happy with our next manager, a few defeats and the same crew will be out screaming for Ron to sack him, would be just good if we could come together as supporters and just get behind him and give him the support, but as we seen with Maloney, even before he had managed a game plenty had already made up there minds he would be a disaster, turned out he was but we are just not giving folk at the club anytime to get things sorted.

Think that’s fair silver ….what I would say though, is a few wins and most people would get right on board …and a few defeats and they would jump right back off - football fans are like that - particularly us it would seem …

[LaMotta]

Probably because the same season we also beat them twice and also skelped the Huns 3 times - 3-0 at Ibrox, twice! And all on a budget less than half of what Hearts were spending and about 10% of the Old Huns, probably even less than that taking into account their tax dodging ways. And we played breathtaking football at times, albeit inconsistently.

Yes totally. He also regularly lost to Inverness, struggled against Falkirk, had a terrible league cup record and shat the bed twice in SC semis at Hampden. And we got dismantled in Europe. He also was awful at signing goalies.

I don't think he gets away with all that today is my point. (I still remember him fondly btw - I was at both Ibrox games and they were majestic!l)

[LaMotta]

Some people seem to have made up their minds already that if it’s anyone other than Keane then they won’t be supportive.

Haven't seen anyone say that.

[silverhibee]

Only if we go for a no-mark, pipsqueak of a manager again.

If we get someone of a decent calibre the fans will 100% be behind him.

You wanted us all to get behind Maloney. At least you see that we were right all along.

The fans generally are. We supported Mowbray, McLeish, Stubbs and Lennon because they were decent.

We wanted rid of Duffy, Butcher, Calderwood, Heckingbottom and Maloney because they were gash.

That's the way it should be. You seem to think we should support every manager no matter what. I'm dead against that. If we have the wrong man in charge we need to make the change. That, to me, is common sense. Your approach isn't.

I’m prepared to give any manager a chance from the of, you aren’t, you wrote Maloney off before he had managed a game, folk backed Duffy Butcher Calderwood and Heckingbottom before it went wrong, you want Keane, what makes you thing he will be a good manager for us, he could be a disaster like Maloney, any manager we bring in will be a risk, difference is I will give him a chance while you will be spouting pish from day one that he won’t be good enough.

[CapitalGreen]

Haven't seen anyone say that.

Hence my use of the word “seem”.

[silverhibee]

And Mowbray was met with a lot of "Tony Who?" type comments. Initial reactions don't matter: if they do well they'll be supported, otherwise hounded.

But we get behind him and give him support from the off, not slate him before he has even managed one game for us.

[Bridge hibs]

the tweet says a NEW fans favourite. If it was Boyle, it would surely have said a return of a fans favourite.Stephen Fletcher, was one of my favourites anyway

[LaMotta]

Hence my use of the word “seem”.

I think you are way off the mark. Some fans might not agree with an appointment but they will be supportive until a manager proves he doesnt deserve support. With Maloney, it was obvious early on so he quickly lost support.

[CapitalGreen]

I think you are way off the mark. Some fans might not agree with an appointment but they will be supportive until a manager proves he doesnt deserve support. With Maloney, it was obvious early on so he quickly lost support.

I suppose we won’t have to wait much longer to find out if that’s true.

[Spudster]

The fans generally are. We supported Mowbray, McLeish, Stubbs and Lennon because they were decent.

3 out of those 4 managed in the Championship to achieve being "decent". McLeish also spent a fortune too.

[WhileTheChief..]

See if the person who is most likely to get us winning is the U9's girls coach of the St. Nowhere Village Pub Team? Doesn't matter their background.

Michael Appleton isn't a no mark,he's shown at two clubs that he's a capable manager. The idea we'd appoint someone because he's off the telly over a manager playing at lower league level down south or even up here is the most ridiculous idea.

Nobody is suggesting that anymore. The Keane chat is dead.

[WhileTheChief..]

Some people seem to have made up their minds already that if it’s anyone other than Keane then they won’t be supportive.

Can you point to a single post that you’ve read this in?

Looks like you’re just trying to stir things up.

As I mentioned earlier, we’ve moved on. It’s only you guys that don’t want Keane that keep bringing his name up.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’m prepared to give any manager a chance from the of, you aren’t, you wrote Maloney off before he had managed a game, folk backed Duffy Butcher Calderwood and Heckingbottom before it went wrong, you want Keane, what makes you thing he will be a good manager for us, he could be a disaster like Maloney, any manager we bring in will be a risk, difference is I will give him a chance while you will be spouting pish from day one that he won’t be good enough.

I wrote Maloney off because it was clear as day he wasn’t up to the task.

I didn’t spout pish when we appointed Stubbs, Lennon or Ross because they were decent managers.

Everything I said about Maloney was 100% spot on.

Anyways you’re just being rude. No need for the spouting oish comment.

[CapitalGreen]

Can you point to a single post that you’ve read this in?

Looks like you’re just trying to stir things up.

As I mentioned earlier, we’ve moved on. It’s only you guys that don’t want Keane that keep bringing his name up.

I’ll refer you to my reply to a previous poster and also provide you with a dictionary definition - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/seem


Hence my use of the word “seem”.

People are giving off that impression without saying it explicitly.

Why are you taking such umbrage at my post, do you think I’m referring to you?

[Northernhibee]

I wrote Maloney off because it was clear as day he wasn’t up to the task.

I didn’t spout pish when we appointed Stubbs, Lennon or Ross because they were decent managers.

Everything I said about Maloney was 100% spot on.

Anyways you’re just being rude. No need for the spouting oish comment.

TBF there were quite a few people who seen Maloney for what he was very early - I wanted him gone as soon as February because it was blatant and got called a 'slaver', a 'bedwetter' and the like. Some people did want to just be very rude about it but a five minute conversation with Maloney should have been enough for anyone to realise that he's not capable of being a manager.

I do also think it's very narrow minded to call a manager a no mark or a pipsqueak just because they're not a big name. For all the annoyance of seeing the Scottish game being called a pub league or a farmers league, it's exactly the same mentality.

We don't need a big name, we need a good manager.

[I'm Spartacus]

I'm bored. Anyone else bored of this new manager search already?