Next Hibs Manager

[Billy Whizz]

Off subject a bit but does anyone know when the Early Bird finishes for renewal.

31st May, but tomorrow 5pm to retain your seat

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/2022-23-season-tickets-seat-release-deadline

[GloryGlory]

Would love an announcement today so keep your eyes out for any teasers on Hibs Twitter.

Now that all the games are finished I would think there is a big planning job to be started now to be ready for next season that the new manager and his coaching staff need to get on with. I would hope our recruitment team, with manager input of course, are planning to get new players in as soon as possible so that both manager, coaches and players get a full pre season to work together.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Now that all the games are finished I would think there is a big planning job to be started now to be ready for next season that the new manager and his coaching staff need to get on with. I would hope our recruitment team, with manager input of course, are planning to get new players in as soon as possible so that both manager, coaches and players get a full pre season to work together.

If you think recruitment planning at clubs only starts post season expect your club to become the Cowdenbeath of Scottish football. Irrespective of manager or no they club will have a rolling programme of player ID and target rankins to present.

[Springbank]

I think jdt would be a very interesting appointment...
Would certainly open hibs to new markets for players from abroad.
This would be a step up in management quality requiring a similar step up in player recruitment quality.
Now we have signed Marshall thats a great start to the spine of team. 4 more top signings down the spine and you have the start of a rebuilding job
Sounds like the budget is going to be very good so exciting .


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I agree with every word here

Also, it's only 18 months ago that Michael Stewart was (at the time, rightly) saying Hearts squad and recruitment was so hit-or-miss that it looked 5 years behind Hibs

I mention that only to say we've had 2 disastrous transfer windows, that have crashed us from 3rd to genuine, final day, risk of 10th.

Sadly, Hearts have shown that with one good transfer window in this league you're back in play for 3rd again.

SO I think JDT would demand success, and Marshall is a really encouraging start to that process, with CB, CM, CF the next priorities - but with the right manager and recruitment in place, a leap back into contention for 3rd & cup finals can certainly be done

[GloryGlory]

If you think recruitment planning at clubs only starts post season expect your club to become the Cowdenbeath of Scottish football. Irrespective of manager or no they club will have a rolling programme of player ID and target rankins to present.

No I don't think that at all. but I am saying whoever new the manager is has to start work soon to get his views about recruitment across and to put forward players he would like to have to allow time to recruit them.

[Since452]

I'm actually starting to sway towards Lee Johnson. Been reading and listening to a fair bit about both and the more i do the more i think Johnson would be a really good fit. Exiting times.

[badabing67]

31st May, but tomorrow 5pm to retain your seat

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/2022-23-season-tickets-seat-release-deadline

Perfect thank you

[WeeRussell]

Exiting times.

Hope no, already had two leave in last 6 months.

[GreenGray]

Off subject a bit but does anyone know when the Early Bird finishes for renewal.

On a similar topic but does anybody else think the club should extend the deadline for 6 monthly payment plan that ended last night?

Seems a bit wrong having the deadline before we announced a manager particularly with the cost of living


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[JXM73]

On a similar topic but does anybody else think the club should extend the deadline for 6 monthly payment plan that ended last night?

Seems a bit wrong having the deadline before we announced a manager particularly with the cost of living


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Naw, support the club whoever is in charge...

[GreenGray]

Naw, support the club whoever is in charge...

Agreed, I’ve renewed. However still think the payment plan should be extended for those who are struggling.


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[Weir07]

31st May, but tomorrow 5pm to retain your seat

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/2022-23-season-tickets-seat-release-deadline

Thanks for the info, thought we had until the end of May to retain your seat. Renewed after I saw your post.

[Brown Hibs]

Naw, support the club whoever is in charge...

Even Malky? Wouldn't blame anyone for staying away if he got the gig.

[Hibby70]

Even Malky? Wouldn't blame anyone for staying away if he got the gig.

I'd be having a serious think as to whether I'd be looking for a refund if he's appointed. That's not what this club is about

[timewilltell]

Easter Road post
Hibs board split over Johnson and Dahl TomassonBy Paul Kiddie, sports reporter | May 15, 2022 (https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2022/05/15/)




https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Lee-Johnson.pngLee Johnson: deal agreedHibernian’s board is said to be split over the appointment of Lee Johnson or Jon Dahl Tomasson as the club’s next manager.
A deal has been agreed with Englishman Johnson – who had a spell as a player at Hearts – but former Malmo boss Dahl Tomasson is understood to be the choice among a number of directors.
The new coach will replace Shaun Maloney who was sacked in April (https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2022/04/relegation-fear-sees-maloneys-hibs-tenure-cut-short/) after just four months in post.
Johnson’s managerial career has included spells at Bristol City, Oldham Athletic, Barnsley and most recently Sunderland.
His playing career included six months at Hearts whom he joined in January 2006, making his first start in a 4–1 win over Hibs.
Dahl Tomasson, who won 112 caps for Denmark and played for AC Milan and Newcastle United, has also been assistant at Vitesse and of the Danish national team. His Malmo team knocked Rangers out of the Champions League qualifiers earlier this season.
Caretaker boss David Gray saw Hibs a 4-0 win over St Johnstone in their final game, their first home success since February.
Gray is expected to remain part of the staff as part of the coaching team while the new manager must approved a contract deal with former Scotland keeper David Marshall

[Hibs90]

Easter Road post
Hibs board split over Johnson and Dahl TomassonBy Paul Kiddie, sports reporter | May 15, 2022 (https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2022/05/15/)




https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Lee-Johnson.pngLee Johnson: deal agreedHibernian’s board is said to be split over the appointment of Lee Johnson or Jon Dahl Tomasson as the club’s next manager.
A deal has been agreed with Englishman Johnson – who had a spell as a player at Hearts – but former Malmo boss Dahl Tomasson is understood to be the choice among a number of directors.
The new coach will replace Shaun Maloney who was sacked in April (https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2022/04/relegation-fear-sees-maloneys-hibs-tenure-cut-short/) after just four months in post.
Johnson’s managerial career has included spells at Bristol City, Oldham Athletic, Barnsley and most recently Sunderland.
His playing career included six months at Hearts whom he joined in January 2006, making his first start in a 4–1 win over Hibs.
Dahl Tomasson, who won 112 caps for Denmark and played for AC Milan and Newcastle United, has also been assistant at Vitesse and of the Danish national team. His Malmo team knocked Rangers out of the Champions League qualifiers earlier this season.
Caretaker boss David Gray saw Hibs a 4-0 win over St Johnstone in their final game, their first home success since February.
Gray is expected to remain part of the staff as part of the coaching team while the new manager must approved a contract deal with former Scotland keeper David Marshall


It’s a no brainer

[Since90+2]

If it's a genuine choice between JDT and Johnson it seems an absolute no brainer to me.

[Alex Trager]

It’s a no brainer

It really is

[Coco Bryce]

What seems to be the problem here Hibs?

Get in done pronto so JDT can sort this mess out ASAP!!

[leith lynx]

The affordability of appointing JDT and potential coaching staff and a budget to satisfy his ambitions concerned me, but if 50% of the Hibs Board think we can do it, then I'm with them. Announce JDT!

[Willis1875]

The affordability of appointing JDT and potential coaching staff and a budget to satisfy his ambitions concerned me, but if 50% of the Hibs Board think we can do it, then I'm with them. Announce JDT!

I’d be surprised if JDT was on much more than whatever Johnson was on at Sunderland,the over inflated wages in England probably dwarf whatever Managers in Scandanavia get

[JamesHFC]

Easter Road post
Hibs board split over Johnson and Dahl TomassonBy Paul Kiddie, sports reporter | May 15, 2022 (https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2022/05/15/)




https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Lee-Johnson.pngLee Johnson: deal agreedHibernian’s board is said to be split over the appointment of Lee Johnson or Jon Dahl Tomasson as the club’s next manager.
A deal has been agreed with Englishman Johnson – who had a spell as a player at Hearts – but former Malmo boss Dahl Tomasson is understood to be the choice among a number of directors.
The new coach will replace Shaun Maloney who was sacked in April (https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2022/04/relegation-fear-sees-maloneys-hibs-tenure-cut-short/) after just four months in post.
Johnson’s managerial career has included spells at Bristol City, Oldham Athletic, Barnsley and most recently Sunderland.
His playing career included six months at Hearts whom he joined in January 2006, making his first start in a 4–1 win over Hibs.
Dahl Tomasson, who won 112 caps for Denmark and played for AC Milan and Newcastle United, has also been assistant at Vitesse and of the Danish national team. His Malmo team knocked Rangers out of the Champions League qualifiers earlier this season.
Caretaker boss David Gray saw Hibs a 4-0 win over St Johnstone in their final game, their first home success since February.
Gray is expected to remain part of the staff as part of the coaching team while the new manager must approved a contract deal with former Scotland keeper David Marshall


Johnson deal has been agreed for over a week. If it’s not announced by the end of tomorrow I think there is a strong possibility we bring in JDT. There is also an English club who wants Johnson.

[bingo70]

Johnson deal has been agreed for over a week. If it’s not announced by the end of tomorrow I think there is a strong possibility we bring in JDT. There is also an English club who wants Johnson.

I’m wondering if JDT came to our attention quite late in the day? He was maybe someone we viewed as being unrealistic or out of our reach however based on that article someone posted earlier we discovered he maybe wasn’t?

Just a theory as to why we would agree terms with two managers at the same time.

[500miles]

As much as I enjoyed JDT taunting the huns, I do wonder if it is indicative of him being a bit of a bam, which may not have come across well in the interview. It might not make him a unifying presence in the dressing room too.

I've not got any information by the way, but it may explain the split in the boardroom.

[badabing67]

On a similar topic but does anybody else think the club should extend the deadline for 6 monthly payment plan that ended last night?

Seems a bit wrong having the deadline before we announced a manager particularly with the cost of living


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Absolutely if they can, might have a lot to do with the provider though, also they should shift 17th May as cut off until they announce. It seems obvious

[#2 Double Tap]

I’m wondering if JDT came to our attention quite late in the day? He was maybe someone we viewed as being unrealistic or out of our reach however based on that article someone posted earlier we discovered he maybe wasn’t?

Just a theory as to why we would agree terms with two managers at the same time.

Sure he was quoted around same time as Roy Keane.

[bingo70]

Sure he was quoted around same time as Roy Keane.

Only by fans though wasn’t he? I don’t think there was any credible link in the media until Moira Gordon’s story recently was there?

[leith lynx]

Johnson deal has been agreed for over a week. If it’s not announced by the end of tomorrow I think there is a strong possibility we bring in JDT. There is also an English club who wants Johnson.

I would imagine there would be even more clubs home and abroad looking at JDT. Success is never guaranteed, but I feel an ambitious risk of going for JDT would bring most fans back on board season ticket wise, and send out a message that Ron means business.

[Stuart93]

Really hope we go with JDT. Strikes me as a lot more exciting than LJ.

I also enjoy his pressers

[#2 Double Tap]

Only by fans though wasn’t he? I don’t think there was any credible link in the media until Moira Gordon’s story recently was there?

He was on the bookies betting list, I was aware of his name being linked early, maybe just from chatter on here right enough.

[GloryGlory]

Come on, Hibs!

Just announce - SOMEONE!

[Unseen work]

I’m a bit split myself and don’t think it’s a ‘no brainer’.

JDT - Huge name, would get fans excited to begin with and won 2 titles with Malmo although they were favourites. Failed at his other two clubs, getting one relegated. I think the club would like his knowledge of foreign leagues and his ability to attract unknown players. Doubt he has much knowledge at all of our league, players etc.

Johnson - A lot will say he’s boring, unsure why, why he seems to have done a reasonable job wherever he’s been without being brilliant but tends to want his team to play attractive and attacking football. Will have alot of knowledge of our league, players and ones we’d be looking to attract to work in our budget. He might split fans initially and his teams tend to go on losing runs/take heavy defeats although he admits he’s learned from this as even when losing he still attacks to win the game which results in a 4-0 instead of a 2-0 for example.

For me the board need to get who they genuinely think is the right man and not it who will excite the fans the most and sell the most season tickets.

Whoever it is should excite the fans for the season and the peak shouldn’t be their announcement. For example JDT would get the biggest buzz but would he sustain it or after a month would we think he’s rubbish and we believed the hype too much? It could be the opposite with Johnson, he might underwhelm folk to begin with but after a month we’re sat thinking his team looks brilliant?

A big decision to be made but as far as I’m concerned it’s two good options and I’ll back whoever they pick and are confident in.

[SlickShoes]

I'll be more excited by the signings we make and how our style of play changes than who the manager is. It would be good to now get whoever it is in place ASAP so we can forget last season and just look forward to the upcoming one, we only have 7 or 8 weeks until our first League Cup game.

[bingo70]

I’m a bit split myself and don’t think it’s a ‘no brainer’.

JDT - Huge name, would get fans excited to begin with and won 2 titles with Malmo although they were favourites. Failed at his other two clubs, getting one relegated. I think the club would like his knowledge of foreign leagues and his ability to attract unknown players. Doubt he has much knowledge at all of our league, players etc.

Johnson - A lot will say he’s boring, unsure why, why he seems to have done a reasonable job wherever he’s been without being brilliant but tends to want his team to play attractive and attacking football. Will have alot of knowledge of our league, players and ones we’d be looking to attract to work in our budget. He might split fans initially and his teams tend to go on losing runs/take heavy defeats although he admits he’s learned from this as even when losing he still attacks to win the game which results in a 4-0 instead of a 2-0 for example.

For me the board need to get who they genuinely think is the right man and not it who will excite the fans the most and sell the most season tickets.

Whoever it is should excite the fans for the season and the peak shouldn’t be their announcement. For example JDT would get the biggest buzz but would he sustain it or after a month would we think he’s rubbish and we believed the hype too much? It could be the opposite with Johnson, he might underwhelm folk to begin with but after a month we’re sat thinking his team looks brilliant?

A big decision to be made but as far as I’m concerned it’s two good options and I’ll back whoever they pick and are confident in.

Great post, agree with all of it.

For me, I’m finding myself leaning towards appointing JDT simply because this place will be unbearable if we don’t appoint him and LJ isn’t an instant success. Forever more we will have to hear that we never appointed JDT as we went for the cheap option.

Almost feels like now JDT’s name is out there we have no option but to go for him.

Another concern for me with JDT is how he reacts when the money runs out? He’s used to a different market than we’re operating in, if/when things start to go wrong is he likely to understand we don’t have the money to buy our way out of it.

I think JDT is a hugely exciting candidate but I do worry he’s maybe not a great fit for where we are now.

[jacomo]

I'll be more excited by the signings we make and how our style of play changes than who the manager is. It would be good to now get whoever it is in place ASAP so we can forget last season and just look forward to the upcoming one, we only have 7 or 8 weeks until our first League Cup game.


I feel like the choice of manager will have a direct bearing on our style of play somehow…

[Brown Hibs]

Naw, support the club whoever is in charge...

Good job the club don't share your attitude. Sensible decision to extend.

[Waxy]

It really is

It really really is.

[badabing67]

Well done Hibs good idea

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/season-ticket-seat-release-deadline-extended

[Saint Hibee]

I’m a bit split myself and don’t think it’s a ‘no brainer’.

JDT - Huge name, would get fans excited to begin with and won 2 titles with Malmo although they were favourites. Failed at his other two clubs, getting one relegated. I think the club would like his knowledge of foreign leagues and his ability to attract unknown players. Doubt he has much knowledge at all of our league, players etc.

Johnson - A lot will say he’s boring, unsure why, why he seems to have done a reasonable job wherever he’s been without being brilliant but tends to want his team to play attractive and attacking football. Will have alot of knowledge of our league, players and ones we’d be looking to attract to work in our budget. He might split fans initially and his teams tend to go on losing runs/take heavy defeats although he admits he’s learned from this as even when losing he still attacks to win the game which results in a 4-0 instead of a 2-0 for example.

For me the board need to get who they genuinely think is the right man and not it who will excite the fans the most and sell the most season tickets.

Whoever it is should excite the fans for the season and the peak shouldn’t be their announcement. For example JDT would get the biggest buzz but would he sustain it or after a month would we think he’s rubbish and we believed the hype too much? It could be the opposite with Johnson, he might underwhelm folk to begin with but after a month we’re sat thinking his team looks brilliant?

A big decision to be made but as far as I’m concerned it’s two good options and I’ll back whoever they pick and are confident in.

I get what you're saying, but ultimately season tickets will have a pretty significant impact on what we're able to do on the pitch so it is a pretty big factor.

[bingo70]

Well done Hibs good idea

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/season-ticket-seat-release-deadline-extended

Good idea and the right thing to do but from a selfish perspective I am waiting until more seats get released before renewing as I don’t like my current seat.

[Scotty Leither]

I get what you're saying, but ultimately season tickets will have a pretty significant impact on what we're able to do on the pitch so it is a pretty big factor.

IF it’s a choice between the two quoted, then it has to be JDT, as it’ll give the club a lift in ST sales and a wee bit of gravitas in appointing someone like him. I know there’s no guarantees in football, but hopefully JDT’s appointment would give us a short and long term bounce as they’d be showing a bit of intent in pulling this off.

Johnson would be perceived as the “safe option” I’m afraid, and would be rather underwhelming at the end of an indifferent season.

[CapitalGreen]

I’m a bit split myself and don’t think it’s a ‘no brainer’.

JDT - Huge name, would get fans excited to begin with and won 2 titles with Malmo although they were favourites. Failed at his other two clubs, getting one relegated. I think the club would like his knowledge of foreign leagues and his ability to attract unknown players. Doubt he has much knowledge at all of our league, players etc.


I wouldn’t say he failed with Excelsior. He was poached by a team in the league above, he left them in the promotion play off positions and they ended up getting promoted through the play offs that season.

You are right he didn’t have a good time at Roda, he inherited a team who had won only 4 of their first 18 league games that season and looking likely for relegation. They only won 3 of the remaining 16 league games and were relegated and he subsequently lost his job.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The affordability of appointing JDT and potential coaching staff and a budget to satisfy his ambitions concerned me, but if 50% of the Hibs Board think we can do it, then I'm with them. Announce JDT!

Board split when one guy has majority shareholding? Sounds like negociati g leverage or an agent talking up his client because sure as Hades the board won't be leaking this to a newspaper

[GreenCastle]

That article said deal agreed with Johnson but doesn’t mention it JDT has agreed terms.

Is this the hold up ? Expected it to be sorted by now.

Do we know who JDH assistant would be ?

[Callum_62]

That article said deal agreed with Johnson but doesn’t mention it JDT has agreed terms.

Is this the hold up ? Expected it to be sorted by now.

Do we know who JDH assistant would be ?Temur Ketsbia is my hope

The sheer radgeness

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[SMAXXA]

This is a massive appointment for Hibs and RG. I feel if we appoint LJ it’s going to alienate a number of fans even more, he will be on a hiding to nothing from the off as a safe and boring/cheap appointment. I actually feel JDT is a no brainier from RG perspective as he’s pretty much universally who the fans want out the 2 and they would be giving us what we want so if it didn’t work out kinda couldn’t blame him. Not saying this is true or fair but it’s how I see it.

JDT would unite us and get excitement about the place, LJ wouldn’t and would be on a hiding to nothing from the start and some would still say what if what if further down the line if we miss out on JDT. Flip side if JDT didn’t work out not a fan would be likely to moan about us not appointing LJ.

So in short LJ = massive risk JDT = no/minimal risk to appeasing the fan base.

[Callum_62]

This is a massive appointment for Hibs and RG. I feel if we appoint LJ it’s going to alienate a number of fans even more, he will be on a hiding to nothing from the off as a safe and boring/cheap appointment. I actually feel JDT is a no brainier from RG perspective as he’s pretty much universally who the fans want out the 2 and they would be giving us what we want so if it didn’t work out kinda couldn’t blame him. Not saying this is true or fair but it’s how I see it.

JDT would unite us and get excitement about the place, LJ wouldn’t and would be on a hiding to nothing from the start and some would still say what if what if further down the line if we miss out on JDT. Flip side if JDT didn’t work out not a fan would be likely to moan about us not appointing LJ.

So in short LJ = massive risk JDT = no/minimal risk to appeasing the fan base.What would the fans think if JDT is a failure?

You reckon the club would get off with 'just one of they things?'

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[bingo70]

That article said deal agreed with Johnson but doesn’t mention it JDT has agreed terms.

Is this the hold up ? Expected it to be sorted by now.

Do we know who JDH assistant would be ?

I could be wrong but it looks to me like he took a dutch guy called Remy Reijnierse with him to Malmo That doesn't mean he will bring him this time as well though obviously. Think he is still at Malmo so maybe settled and happy there.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/remy-reijnierse/profil/trainer/20356

He would have played with Peter Lovenkrands for the national side and possibly Newcastle too? He is managing a small side in the Danish 2nd division just now, he may be an option if he wants someone he knows that knows Scottish football.

[Hibs90]

I could be wrong but it looks to me like he took a dutch guy called Remy Reijnierse with him to Malmo That doesn't mean he will bring him this time as well though obviously. Think he is still at Malmo so maybe settled and happy there.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/remy-reijnierse/profil/trainer/20356

He would have played with Peter Lovenkrands for the national side and possibly Newcastle too? He is managing a small side in the Danish 2nd division just now, he may be an option if he wants someone he knows that knows Scottish football.

I think you’ve sussed it

[eastmainsmsh]

Rather JDT hopefully Ron sees sense and listens to the fans

[GreenCastle]

Looking at the club website..are these the people who decide the manager ?

Ronald J Gordon, Executive Chairman
Ben Kensell, Chief Executive Officer
Greg McEwan, Commercial Director
Christopher Gaunt, Finance Director
Archie Paton, Non-Executive Director
Brian G Houston, Non-Executive Director
Bruce Langham, Non-Executive Director
David Davies, Non-Executive Director
Gillian Hutchinson, Non-Executive Director
Jemma Goba, Non-Executive Director
Kathrin Hamilton, Non-Executive Director
Malcolm McPherson, Non-Executive Director

Surely a few of them have no idea about football or have I picked this up wrong?

[Ronniekirk]

Have been happy to wait till season finished without a Manager as Gray was as has been proved more than capable of steering us home to avid any talk of relegation
But would rather we now make an appointment by end of this week to sell more season tickets hopefully , but more importantly to let the new person start planning ahead

[number9dream]

If it's a genuine choice between JDT and Johnson it seems an absolute no brainer to me.

Tin hat firmly on, but is JDT really interested? It seems like quite a step down from Malmo and qualifying for CL group stage…
Maybe he likes a challenge, maybe he doesn’t quite yet realise the budgetary constraints, maybe his agent is letting it be known that he’s available.
I just can’t see it, although I’d love to be hopelessly wrong.

[Ronniekirk]

[QUOTE=GreenCastle;6962802]Looking at the club website..are these the people who decide the manager ?

Ronald J Gordon, Executive Chairman
Ben Kensell, Chief Executive Officer
Greg McEwan, Commercial Director
Christopher Gaunt, Finance Director
Archie Paton, Non-Executive Director
Brian G Houston, Non-Executive Director
Bruce Langham, Non-Executive Director
David Davies, Non-Executive Director
Gillian Hutchinson, Non-Executive Director
Jemma Goba, Non-Executive Director
Kathrin Hamilton, Non-Executive Director
Malcolm McPherson, Non-Executive Director

Surely a few of them have no idea about football or have I picked this up


Too big. Group I would of thought surely every non executive director doesn’t need to be directly involved

[Since452]

Rather JDT hopefully Ron sees sense and listens to the fans

I hope he doesn't listen to the fans imo. He did when folk were shouting for Ross to be punted and it backfired spectacularly. I hope he bases it purely on reaserching and speaking to both candidates and bloks out noise from the fans. I wanted Roy Keane for goodness sake. Sometimes fans don't think with clear heads.

[Paul1642]

I hope he doesn't listen to the fans imo. He did when folk were shouting for Ross to be punted and it backfired spectacularly. I hope he bases it purely on reaserching and speaking to both candidates and bloks out noise from the fans. I wanted Roy Keane for goodness sake. Sometimes fans don't think with clear heads.

I don’t think it was ever a majority who wanted Ross gone, just a vocal bunch. The poll thread shows a near unanimous favour for JDT over Johnson. We’ve been wrong before as fans but think there is massive apathy setting in and a big change is needed.

I would rather we push the boat out and risk failure than some of the dull names being thrown around.

[.Sean.]

Well done Hibs good idea

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/season-ticket-seat-release-deadline-extended
Doesn’t read to me like an extension to the six month direct debit option though?

[WeeRussell]

As much as I enjoyed JDT taunting the huns, I do wonder if it is indicative of him being a bit of a bam, which may not have come across well in the interview. It might not make him a unifying presence in the dressing room too.

I've not got any information by the way, but it may explain the split in the boardroom.

I dunno, I didn’t see/forget exactly what he came out with, but was it not just a slightly cheeky response to our media’s usual p1sh more than anything else?

Or was he directly at the Huns during games too? I’ve never thought it’s anything like a Neil Lennon situation or anything.

Either way is fine with me like 😎

[bingo70]

I hope he doesn't listen to the fans imo. He did when folk were shouting for Ross to be punted and it backfired spectacularly. I hope he bases it purely on reaserching and speaking to both candidates and bloks out noise from the fans. I wanted Roy Keane for goodness sake. Sometimes fans don't think with clear heads.

At the risk of going over old ground, I don’t think the decision to sack Ross backfired spectacularly at all. We were in relegation form under him, we won a couple of games shortly after he left when there was absolutely no signs of that happening under him. Both of his most recent league wins came against 10 men. I’m still convinced sacking him was the right thing. We just got his replacement wrong.

Sorry, I couldn’t let that post pass, can get back to the new manager again now 😂

[JohnM1875]

So we have everything agreed with Johnson but it's down to Johnson and JDT with the board split.

Hopefully means we're trying to get everything agreed with JDT as well then we announce him later this week.

Still fully expecting it to be Johnson though.

[SMAXXA]

What would the fans think if JDT is a failure?

You reckon the club would get off with 'just one of they things?'

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No I think they will get a bit of slack for what would appear a very ambitious appointment that on paper is the best we could hope for I’d say? Or would the pitch forks come out from the same fans who wanted him appointed well probably aye

[bigwheel]

At the risk of going over old ground, I don’t think the decision to sack Ross backfired spectacularly at all. We were in relegation form under him, we won a couple of games shortly after he left when there was absolutely no signs of that happening under him. Both of his most recent league wins came against 10 men. I’m still convinced sacking him was the right thing. We just got his replacement wrong.

Sorry, I couldn’t let that post pass, can get back to the new manager again now [emoji23]

you choose to focus on his last 10-12 games as a reference point - rather than the full 96 ..which would endorse 452’s view. We will never know what would have happened , but let’s hope the owner and board have learned from punting a manager without a good replacement plan…and get this one and the next few right …

[SaulGoodman]

I would be happy enough with either but if the team go on a bad run I imagine JDT would be afforded more time from the fans than Johnson.

I also think the club as whole would be more easily forgiven for an ambitious appointment that doesn’t work out than if it didn’t work with Johnson.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

So either Johnstone or JDT know that neither of them have full backing of the board at this stage…

[Since90+2]

So either Johnstone or JDT know that neither of them have full backing of the board at this stage…

Doesn't really matter aslong as they have the backing of the man who holds the purse strings.

[BoomtownHibees]

So either Johnstone or JDT know that neither of them have full backing of the board at this stage…

That’s one way to look at it

[WeeRussell]

That’s one way to look at it

😂 you could say a very hibs.net way of looking at it

[hibee-boys]

Can’t imagine Johnson will be entirely comfortable that he’s agreed terms and Hibs are still procrastinating a week later over the decision.

[GloryGlory]

Can’t imagine Johnson will be entirely comfortable that he’s agreed terms and Hibs are still procrastinating a week later over the decision.

Unless they made him aware that they still had other candidates to interview.

I've been interviewed for jobs before, discussed salary expectations and agreed they were in line with what the company would pay and that I was happy with it, etc and ended up not getting the job.

[Steven79]

Can’t imagine Johnson will be entirely comfortable that he’s agreed terms and Hibs are still procrastinating a week later over the decision.

Imagine if JDT dosen't agree terms then Johnson walks away due to us messing him about.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Rather JDT hopefully Ron sees sense and listens to the fans

Aye, reading here gives clear point that all the fans know what they are talking about. And I’ll include myself on this one 😂

[Lago]

Imagine if JDT dosen't agree terms then Johnson walks away due to us messing him about.
Could happen, egg on face potential.

[GreenGray]

I don’t actually think LJ would be a bad appointment and don’t think he’s as boring as some think. I just think fans are bored of the same sort of thing and appointing LJ feels a bit Jack Ross or Paul Heckingbottom.

Whereas JDT is something completely different, bit of personality and fresh. Definitely on the JDT train if he’s up for the challenge


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[chrisski33]

Surely there has to be a decision now? Surely if JDT wanted the job it would be sorted?

[MWHIBBIES]

At the risk of going over old ground, I don’t think the decision to sack Ross backfired spectacularly at all. We were in relegation form under him, we won a couple of games shortly after he left when there was absolutely no signs of that happening under him. Both of his most recent league wins came against 10 men. I’m still convinced sacking him was the right thing. We just got his replacement wrong.

Sorry, I couldn’t let that post pass, can get back to the new manager again now 😂

No signs? One of his last matches was a 1-1 draw with Motherwell where we had 2 efforts cleared off the line and hit the bar. To say there were no signs of Ross winning a match is just rubbish.

[Billy Whizz]

Surely there has to be a decision now? Surely if JDT wanted the job it would be sorted?

Depends on what he’s wanting, in charge of recruiting etc
He doesn’t tick the boxes of an experienced manager who knows Scottish football though

[ekhibee]

What would the fans think if JDT is a failure?

You reckon the club would get off with 'just one of they things?'

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Would you?

[SMAXXA]

Imagine if JDT dosen't agree terms then Johnson walks away due to us messing him about.

Well he wouldn’t be for us then if he’s no that committed to wanting the job

[Callum_62]

Would you?I'm of the more pragmatic variety so yes, I probaly would

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[Since452]

At the risk of going over old ground, I don’t think the decision to sack Ross backfired spectacularly at all. We were in relegation form under him, we won a couple of games shortly after he left when there was absolutely no signs of that happening under him. Both of his most recent league wins came against 10 men. I’m still convinced sacking him was the right thing. We just got his replacement wrong.

Sorry, I couldn’t let that post pass, can get back to the new manager again now 😂

Ironically if Johnson or JDT were the candidates after Ross was punted I'd have felt much better about the situation.

[AugustaHibs]

Jdt⏰

[Jones28]

Christ imagine they both walked away because a board room squabble about who to appoint 😂

[Since452]

Christ imagine they both walked away because a board room squabble about who to appoint 😂

Johnson will be an expert on our squad by the time the board make their mind up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No signs? One of his last matches was a 1-1 draw with Motherwell where we had 2 efforts cleared off the line and hit the bar. To say there were no signs of Ross winning a match is just rubbish.

Actually not winning matches is much more of a sign of not being able to win matches than shots cleared off the line and hitting the bar.

We were on a rotten run. I’m sure we could all point to misses by the team under Maloney that cost him his job as well. At the end of the day we weren’t winning games under Ross, were dropping like a stone and were absolutely terrible. Hitting the bar in his second last game doesn’t change that.

[chippy]

Imagine if JDT dosen't agree terms then Johnson walks away due to us messing him about.
Just have to get Lenny back then

[SaulGoodman]

:hyper

[MWHIBBIES]

Actually not winning matches is much more of a sign of not being able to win matches than shots cleared off the line and hitting the bar.

We were on a rotten run. I’m sure we could all point to misses by the team under Maloney that cost him his job as well. At the end of the day we weren’t winning games under Ross, were dropping like a stone and were absolutely terrible. Hitting the bar in his second last game doesn’t change that.


Oh, its you. Haven't you posted enough about Ross?

Good manager, wrongly sacked. You wont change my mind, don't waste your time.

[CapitalGreen]

So either Johnstone or JDT know that neither of them have full backing of the board at this stage…

They wouldn’t have reached this stage of the process if they didn’t have the backing of the board. The board are now just deciding which of 2 candidates they like that they prefer.

[Sioux]

Depends on what he’s wanting, in charge of recruiting etc
He doesn’t tick the boxes of an experienced manager who knows Scottish football though

So what!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Oh, its you. Haven't you posted enough about Ross?

Good manager, wrongly sacked. You wont change my mind, don't waste your time.

The irony is absolutely off the scale here :faf:

[HoboHarry]

The irony is absolutely off the scale here :faf:

:greengrin

[Mikey_1875]

Not ideal that the humming and hawing has been made public.
It’s important they take their time but now the fans have a clear favourite I don’t think it’s the fairest start for Johnson if it does turn out to be him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not ideal that the humming and hawing has been made public.
It’s important they take their time but now the fans have a clear favourite I don’t think it’s the fairest start for Johnson if it does turn out to be him.

I actually wouldn’t be all that impressed if I was Johnson tbh.

Wouldn’t be all that surprised to see him pull out if a decision isn’t made soon.

[MWHIBBIES]

The irony is absolutely off the scale here :faf:

Is it? I assume you mean I post a lot about Ross?

Go look though my last 100 odd posts. You'll not find many mentioning Ross. Good try though, will probably get a few laughs despite being nonsense

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Is it? I assume you mean I post a lot about Ross?

Go look though my last 100 odd posts. You'll not find many mentioning Ross. Good try though, will probably get a few laughs despite being nonsense

I think he meant the second paragraph, the one about not wasting someone’s time by trying to change the others opinion. Like someone responding to every single post from someone else who’s opinion differs to them, responding in a furiously robust manner in an attempt to grind them down and make them fall into line with their own views. Yeah, that one.

[BoomtownHibees]

Oh, its you. Haven't you posted enough about Ross?

Good manager, wrongly sacked. You wont change my mind, don't waste your time.

Mind when you wanted him sacked as well?

[NC1875]

No signs? One of his last matches was a 1-1 draw with Motherwell where we had 2 efforts cleared off the line and hit the bar. To say there were no signs of Ross winning a match is just rubbish.

And if your auntie had baws…..

[WhileTheChief..]

The irony is absolutely off the scale here :faf:

I'm scared to post in case it annoys him. Apparently everyone gets it and I've to be quiet.

I just lurk about now moaning to myself under my breath!

[MWHIBBIES]

I think he meant the second paragraph, the one about not wasting someone’s time by trying to change the others opinion. Like someone responding to every single post from someone else who’s opinion differs to them, responding in a furiously robust manner in an attempt to grind them down and make them fall into line with their own views. Yeah, that one.

Yeah, I don't do that either. Have you ever considered they are responding to me? Or they're talking utter rubbish and I'm clearly proving it? That's usually what happens

[MWHIBBIES]

Mind when you wanted him sacked as well?

I do yes. I was wrong and am able to admit it. I was frustrated after Livi. You know, like RG was. Which he also admitted to being wrong.

[CapitalGreen]

I do yes. I was wrong and am able to admit it. I was frustrated after Livi. You know, like RG was. Which he also admitted to being wrong.

You thought he should go as far back as January 2021 nearly a year before he was actually sacked.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yeah, I don't do that either. Have you ever considered they are responding to me? Or they're talking utter rubbish and I'm clearly proving it? That's usually what happens

Jesus christ :faf:

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Yeah, I don't do that either. Have you ever considered they are responding to me? Or they're talking utter rubbish and I'm clearly proving it? That's usually what happens

My work here is done.

[Lago]

I think he meant the second paragraph, the one about not wasting someone’s time by trying to change the others opinion. Like someone responding to every single post from someone else who’s opinion differs to them, responding in a furiously robust manner in an attempt to grind them down and make them fall into line with their own views. Yeah, that one.
Nailed it��

[One Day Soon]

My work here is done.

This site is so in need of a like button.

[Lago]

This site is so in need of a like button.
Yip, pedantic's response brilliant :agree:

[Hibs90]

Announce JDT already :hyper

[bingo70]

Announce JDT already :hyper

Was it yourself who was suggesting earlier on that it’s going to be him and just a case of waiting for it to be announced?

[Just_Jimmy]

Imagine if JDT dosen't agree terms then Johnson walks away due to us messing him about.I wouldn't blame hibs for that. Go for JDT and if they miss too bad, they tried. Johnson isn't that much of a catch to worry about losing him for JDT.

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[Hibs90]

Was it yourself who was suggesting earlier on that it’s going to be him and just a case of waiting for it to be announced?

Just wishful thinking.


Maybe Johnson is all a smokescreen and we've just been getting the backroom staff sorted for JDT...

More wishful thinking...

[HendoDelivered]

Was scrolling through The Bounce, and cane across this post:

“Great night. On the bus on my way home early as I've a interview first thing. Before I left I couldn't resist going over to the table with Ron Gordon and his son. Have to say his son Ian Gordon was friendly and engaging with me. "When will we appoint our new manager?". Big smile. "Hopefully next week...". "And is it between two guys?" Big smile again. "Maybe!". "One popular name and one less so if forums and social media is a barometer?" Big smile "Maybe!". "Are you aware of how candidates are viewed and if popular or not?" "Oh yeah our comms guys feed that in...". "And is it a contributing factor in any decision?" The answer was that it is but only part of it. The most important thing was that the guy has our league experience. I then pointed out that none of the media speculated candidates had Scottish experience. He then asked me who would then be my Scottish candidate... This was deflection in my opinion from him IMO equating the English game to ours. I highlighted the experience of Calderwood and Heckingbottom who were highly regarded from England but had failed. At this point in the conversation I suspected the preferred candidate was Lee Johnson. I said the support admired the left field Shaun Maloney but with hindsight perhaps an experienced left field might have been better... He knew who i was alluding to. Others understandably were trying to get his attention from his table and I quickly changed the conversation to recruitment. I said we needed a high turnover in personnel. He signalled that we needed 4 or 5 quality but needed players to leave. I then quickly said that the managerial appointment and recruitment was crucial to getting the support back onside. He told me he gets it and understands it. They need to get it right and will. I appreciated his time and friendly manner but time will tell. I have left him thinking there is likely two in the mix. However, that they perceive one more a safe pair of hands the other a gamble?”

Sounds like to me it’s more likely to be LJ, from that the poster has said above.

[Unseen work]

Glad someone has spoke to Ian Gordon and are happy about how he came across.

I think the decision will already have been made and it’s just a case of formalising and announcing it.

[Hibs90]

Was scrolling through The Bounce, and cane across this post:

“Great night. On the bus on my way home early as I've a interview first thing. Before I left I couldn't resist going over to the table with Ron Gordon and his son. Have to say his son Ian Gordon was friendly and engaging with me. "When will we appoint our new manager?". Big smile. "Hopefully next week...". "And is it between two guys?" Big smile again. "Maybe!". "One popular name and one less so if forums and social media is a barometer?" Big smile "Maybe!". "Are you aware of how candidates are viewed and if popular or not?" "Oh yeah our comms guys feed that in...". "And is it a contributing factor in any decision?" The answer was that it is but only part of it. The most important thing was that the guy has our league experience. I then pointed out that none of the media speculated candidates had Scottish experience. He then asked me who would then be my Scottish candidate... This was deflection in my opinion from him IMO equating the English game to ours. I highlighted the experience of Calderwood and Heckingbottom who were highly regarded from England but had failed. At this point in the conversation I suspected the preferred candidate was Lee Johnson. I said the support admired the left field Shaun Maloney but with hindsight perhaps an experienced left field might have been better... He knew who i was alluding to. Others understandably were trying to get his attention from his table and I quickly changed the conversation to recruitment. I said we needed a high turnover in personnel. He signalled that we needed 4 or 5 quality but needed players to leave. I then quickly said that the managerial appointment and recruitment was crucial to getting the support back onside. He told me he gets it and understands it. They need to get it right and will. I appreciated his time and friendly manner but time will tell. I have left him thinking there is likely two in the mix. However, that they perceive one more a safe pair of hands the other a gamble?”

Sounds like to me it’s more likely to be LJ, from that the poster has said above.

Deeply disappointed in that if true.

[Mcbizz1998]

I’d be pretty disappointed if it wasn’t JDT now tbh.

[Brown Hibs]

Was scrolling through The Bounce, and cane across this post:

“Great night. On the bus on my way home early as I've a interview first thing. Before I left I couldn't resist going over to the table with Ron Gordon and his son. Have to say his son Ian Gordon was friendly and engaging with me. "When will we appoint our new manager?". Big smile. "Hopefully next week...". "And is it between two guys?" Big smile again. "Maybe!". "One popular name and one less so if forums and social media is a barometer?" Big smile "Maybe!". "Are you aware of how candidates are viewed and if popular or not?" "Oh yeah our comms guys feed that in...". "And is it a contributing factor in any decision?" The answer was that it is but only part of it. The most important thing was that the guy has our league experience. I then pointed out that none of the media speculated candidates had Scottish experience. He then asked me who would then be my Scottish candidate... This was deflection in my opinion from him IMO equating the English game to ours. I highlighted the experience of Calderwood and Heckingbottom who were highly regarded from England but had failed. At this point in the conversation I suspected the preferred candidate was Lee Johnson. I said the support admired the left field Shaun Maloney but with hindsight perhaps an experienced left field might have been better... He knew who i was alluding to. Others understandably were trying to get his attention from his table and I quickly changed the conversation to recruitment. I said we needed a high turnover in personnel. He signalled that we needed 4 or 5 quality but needed players to leave. I then quickly said that the managerial appointment and recruitment was crucial to getting the support back onside. He told me he gets it and understands it. They need to get it right and will. I appreciated his time and friendly manner but time will tell. I have left him thinking there is likely two in the mix. However, that they perceive one more a safe pair of hands the other a gamble?”

Sounds like to me it’s more likely to be LJ, from that the poster has said above.

That's a depressing exchange.

[madhatter]

I'm actually preparing to be utterly disappointed and a bit bored by the appointment now.

Guess only benefit is I might be pleasantly surprised.

Will I be renewing my ST? Maybe!

[chrisski33]

That's a depressing exchange.

It was a diplomatic exchange and opem to interpretation in my eyes.

[BoomtownHibees]

It was a diplomatic exchange and opem to interpretation in my eyes.

Agreed. Not really anything jumping out to me that says it’s more likely to be be LJ

[Iain G]

Agreed. Not really anything jumping out to me that says it’s more likely to be be LJ

Could still be a candidate in the mix the media haven't picked up on, maybe we can spring the Mowbray surprise again 😁

[Willis1875]

Could still be a candidate in the mix the media haven't picked up on, maybe we can spring the Mowbray surprise again 😁

Is that you Mr Gordon

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm actually preparing to be utterly disappointed and a bit bored by the appointment now.

Guess only benefit is I might be pleasantly surprised.

Will I be renewing my ST? Maybe!

If you want to keep your seat you need to do it tomorrow i think.

[Basildon Hibs]

This site is so in need of a like button.

I proposed that a few months ago. It would make things a lot easier.

[JimBHibees]

That's a depressing exchange.

Not sure I understood much of it the guy trying to big himself up while they both said nothing. Bizarre where was this exchange meant to happen

[Ringothedog]

If you want to keep your seat you need to do it tomorrow i think.

It’s been extended to 31/5/22

[SaulGoodman]

I proposed that a few months ago. It would make things a lot easier.

I used to chat on a forum that had likes and dislikes and a “reputation” system that showed how good your posts are next to your name.

The problem was you ended up not wanting to post anything that could even seem controversial at all.

[Unseen work]

Quite a good interview and bit of insight into JDT

https://www.goal.com/en-cm/amp/news/its-a-lifelong-education-tomasson-talks-newcastle-ancelotti/ulxd4njqwqri1rkblz6ih3pwg

[high bee]

Was scrolling through The Bounce, and cane across this post:

“Great night. On the bus on my way home early as I've a interview first thing. Before I left I couldn't resist going over to the table with Ron Gordon and his son. Have to say his son Ian Gordon was friendly and engaging with me. "When will we appoint our new manager?". Big smile. "Hopefully next week...". "And is it between two guys?" Big smile again. "Maybe!". "One popular name and one less so if forums and social media is a barometer?" Big smile "Maybe!". "Are you aware of how candidates are viewed and if popular or not?" "Oh yeah our comms guys feed that in...". "And is it a contributing factor in any decision?" The answer was that it is but only part of it. The most important thing was that the guy has our league experience. I then pointed out that none of the media speculated candidates had Scottish experience. He then asked me who would then be my Scottish candidate... This was deflection in my opinion from him IMO equating the English game to ours. I highlighted the experience of Calderwood and Heckingbottom who were highly regarded from England but had failed. At this point in the conversation I suspected the preferred candidate was Lee Johnson. I said the support admired the left field Shaun Maloney but with hindsight perhaps an experienced left field might have been better... He knew who i was alluding to. Others understandably were trying to get his attention from his table and I quickly changed the conversation to recruitment. I said we needed a high turnover in personnel. He signalled that we needed 4 or 5 quality but needed players to leave. I then quickly said that the managerial appointment and recruitment was crucial to getting the support back onside. He told me he gets it and understands it. They need to get it right and will. I appreciated his time and friendly manner but time will tell. I have left him thinking there is likely two in the mix. However, that they perceive one more a safe pair of hands the other a gamble?”

Sounds like to me it’s more likely to be LJ, from that the poster has said above.

Thanks for sharing, interesting to read.

I’m quite relaxed about the whole thing as you can never be certain who will turn out good/bad anyway.

2 things slightly concern me at face value though if I’m being picky:

Only 4-5 players needed, hopefully they’re top quality proven players then.

The Scottish league comment. Don’t think it should be a pre-requisite, who are we looking at if it is? If the implication is that the English leagues are the same then it will be a steep learning curve for him as there is very little interest and plenty underestimation from players/managers south of the border.

[St.Kristopher]

Looking at the club website..are these the people who decide the manager ?

Ronald J Gordon, Executive Chairman
Ben Kensell, Chief Executive Officer
Greg McEwan, Commercial Director
Christopher Gaunt, Finance Director
Archie Paton, Non-Executive Director
Brian G Houston, Non-Executive Director
Bruce Langham, Non-Executive Director
David Davies, Non-Executive Director
Gillian Hutchinson, Non-Executive Director
Jemma Goba, Non-Executive Director
Kathrin Hamilton, Non-Executive Director
Malcolm McPherson, Non-Executive Director

Surely a few of them have no idea about football or have I picked this up wrong?


There is loads of experience there. Bruce Langham alone was CEO of both Fulham and Aston Villa under much more challenging owners.

[sleeping giant]

Was scrolling through The Bounce, and cane across this post:

“Great night. On the bus on my way home early as I've a interview first thing. Before I left I couldn't resist going over to the table with Ron Gordon and his son. Have to say his son Ian Gordon was friendly and engaging with me. "When will we appoint our new manager?". Big smile. "Hopefully next week...". "And is it between two guys?" Big smile again. "Maybe!". "One popular name and one less so if forums and social media is a barometer?" Big smile "Maybe!". "Are you aware of how candidates are viewed and if popular or not?" "Oh yeah our comms guys feed that in...". "And is it a contributing factor in any decision?" The answer was that it is but only part of it. The most important thing was that the guy has our league experience. I then pointed out that none of the media speculated candidates had Scottish experience. He then asked me who would then be my Scottish candidate... This was deflection in my opinion from him IMO equating the English game to ours. I highlighted the experience of Calderwood and Heckingbottom who were highly regarded from England but had failed. At this point in the conversation I suspected the preferred candidate was Lee Johnson. I said the support admired the left field Shaun Maloney but with hindsight perhaps an experienced left field might have been better... He knew who i was alluding to. Others understandably were trying to get his attention from his table and I quickly changed the conversation to recruitment. I said we needed a high turnover in personnel. He signalled that we needed 4 or 5 quality but needed players to leave. I then quickly said that the managerial appointment and recruitment was crucial to getting the support back onside. He told me he gets it and understands it. They need to get it right and will. I appreciated his time and friendly manner but time will tell. I have left him thinking there is likely two in the mix. However, that they perceive one more a safe pair of hands the other a gamble?”

Sounds like to me it’s more likely to be LJ, from that the poster has said above.

Its going to be Warburton :agree:

[DstN75]

There is loads of experience there. Bruce Langham alone was CEO of both Fulham and Aston Villa under much more challenging owners.

Rather a lot of non execs?

[green leaves]

Was scrolling through The Bounce, and cane across this post:

“Great night. On the bus on my way home early as I've a interview first thing. Before I left I couldn't resist going over to the table with Ron Gordon and his son. Have to say his son Ian Gordon was friendly and engaging with me. "When will we appoint our new manager?". Big smile. "Hopefully next week...". "And is it between two guys?" Big smile again. "Maybe!". "One popular name and one less so if forums and social media is a barometer?" Big smile "Maybe!". "Are you aware of how candidates are viewed and if popular or not?" "Oh yeah our comms guys feed that in...". "And is it a contributing factor in any decision?" The answer was that it is but only part of it. The most important thing was that the guy has our league experience. I then pointed out that none of the media speculated candidates had Scottish experience. He then asked me who would then be my Scottish candidate... This was deflection in my opinion from him IMO equating the English game to ours. I highlighted the experience of Calderwood and Heckingbottom who were highly regarded from England but had failed. At this point in the conversation I suspected the preferred candidate was Lee Johnson. I said the support admired the left field Shaun Maloney but with hindsight perhaps an experienced left field might have been better... He knew who i was alluding to. Others understandably were trying to get his attention from his table and I quickly changed the conversation to recruitment. I said we needed a high turnover in personnel. He signalled that we needed 4 or 5 quality but needed players to leave. I then quickly said that the managerial appointment and recruitment was crucial to getting the support back onside. He told me he gets it and understands it. They need to get it right and will. I appreciated his time and friendly manner but time will tell. I have left him thinking there is likely two in the mix. However, that they perceive one more a safe pair of hands the other a gamble?”

Sounds like to me it’s more likely to be LJ, from that the poster has said above.

Yet you don't credit the poster from the Bounce.

[SlickShoes]

Was scrolling through The Bounce, and cane across this post:

“Great night. On the bus on my way home early as I've a interview first thing. Before I left I couldn't resist going over to the table with Ron Gordon and his son. Have to say his son Ian Gordon was friendly and engaging with me. "When will we appoint our new manager?". Big smile. "Hopefully next week...". "And is it between two guys?" Big smile again. "Maybe!". "One popular name and one less so if forums and social media is a barometer?" Big smile "Maybe!". "Are you aware of how candidates are viewed and if popular or not?" "Oh yeah our comms guys feed that in...". "And is it a contributing factor in any decision?" The answer was that it is but only part of it. The most important thing was that the guy has our league experience. I then pointed out that none of the media speculated candidates had Scottish experience. He then asked me who would then be my Scottish candidate... This was deflection in my opinion from him IMO equating the English game to ours. I highlighted the experience of Calderwood and Heckingbottom who were highly regarded from England but had failed. At this point in the conversation I suspected the preferred candidate was Lee Johnson. I said the support admired the left field Shaun Maloney but with hindsight perhaps an experienced left field might have been better... He knew who i was alluding to. Others understandably were trying to get his attention from his table and I quickly changed the conversation to recruitment. I said we needed a high turnover in personnel. He signalled that we needed 4 or 5 quality but needed players to leave. I then quickly said that the managerial appointment and recruitment was crucial to getting the support back onside. He told me he gets it and understands it. They need to get it right and will. I appreciated his time and friendly manner but time will tell. I have left him thinking there is likely two in the mix. However, that they perceive one more a safe pair of hands the other a gamble?”

Sounds like to me it’s more likely to be LJ, from that the poster has said above.

This sounds exactly like someone politely nodding along to a conversation so that the person will leave their table and stop talking to them

[SMAXXA]

Yet you don't credit the poster from the Bounce.

Who actually cares about crediting who it was??? Geeze it’s not a reporter asking to use some content relax man

[OldEast]

Yet you don't credit the poster from the Bounce.

There's no copyright law FFS

[JimBHibees]

This sounds exactly like someone politely nodding along to a conversation so that the person will leave their table and stop talking to them

Nail on the head imo

[flash]

Who actually cares about crediting who it was??? Geeze it’s not a reporter asking to use some content relax man

I wouldn't want credit for hounding the poor guy anyway.

[Iain G]

Is that you Mr Gordon

Aye and you can call me Commissioner 🤣

[Jones28]

This sounds exactly like someone politely nodding along to a conversation so that the person will leave their table and stop talking to them

This in spades.

[bingo70]

https://twitter.com/bumpergraham/status/1526457488782106625?s=21&t=sb8maPzhNz65uzOes6UshQ

Graham Hunter has released a podcast this morning with an interview with Jon Dahl Tomasson. Could be interesting, or a complete waste of everybody’s time, depending on how the next few days go.

Possibly interesting timing though if he’s trying to get his name out there in British football again.

Will hopefully try and give it a listen today.

[Greencore]

Yet you don't credit the poster from the Bounce.

0.o

[Unseen work]

https://youtu.be/DLB-W7fMLt4

Won’t be our next manager but a great listen with Derek McInnes. It’s no wonder why he was such a success at Aberdeen

[Clarence]

Yet you don't credit the poster from the Bounce.

I’m sure YLT_Chicken_Curry_Radge will have been ruminating endlessly over this act of thoughtlessness.

[Since452]

https://youtu.be/DLB-W7fMLt4

Won’t be our next manager but a great listen with Derek McInnes. It’s no wonder why he was such a success at Aberdeen

I rate him very highly. A bit gutted we didnt go for him. Kilmarnock will do well next season.

[Dmas]

Nail on the head imo

Jim you where very confident previously it was going to be LJ has all this JDT talk changed ur thinking or you still convinced it’s LJ?

I’m not too fussed if it’s either I think both look decent options I’d be lying if the JDT link hasn’t got me excited though should be far too old for all that but here we are

[Steve20]

https://youtu.be/DLB-W7fMLt4

Won’t be our next manager but a great listen with Derek McInnes. It’s no wonder why he was such a success at Aberdeen

He wasn't.

Third biggest budget, yet still finished behind Killie and Motherwell two years in a row, couldn't get over the line at Hampden. Horrible football to watch.

If we want a manager that plays poor Football and regularly can't win cups when at Hampden, we should have just kept Jack Ross.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He wasn't.

Third biggest budget, yet still finished behind Killie and Motherwell two years in a row, couldn't get over the line at Hampden. Horrible football to watch.

If we want a manager that plays poor Football and regularly can't win cups when at Hampden, we should have just kept Jack Ross.

Other than the season he was sacked he never finished out with the top 4. He averaged a 3rd place finish over about 7 seasons (something which realistically he could never have bettered over that long a period) and won a trophy.

That’s surely got to be success?

[GreenCastle]

https://twitter.com/bumpergraham/status/1526457488782106625?s=21&t=sb8maPzhNz65uzOes6UshQ

Graham Hunter has released a podcast this morning with an interview with Jon Dahl Tomasson. Could be interesting, or a complete waste of everybody’s time, depending on how the next few days go.

Possibly interesting timing though if he’s trying to get his name out there in British football again.

Will hopefully try and give it a listen today.

Thanks for sharing.

Just listened to this.

100% this should be our next manager. Could listen to him talk all day. Sounds ridiculous but has a bit of Klopp about him when he talks - fun - serious - hates to lose - importance of relationships.

Still not really sure why he would want to come to Hibs but would be a breath of fresh air for the club.

[JimBHibees]

Jim you where very confident previously it was going to be LJ has all this JDT talk changed ur thinking or you still convinced it’s LJ?

I’m not too fussed if it’s either I think both look decent options I’d be lying if the JDT link hasn’t got me excited though should be far too old for all that but here we are

Not sure I was that confident it was going to be anybody however was ok with Johnson thought JDT is certainly interesting candidate and would be fine with him also though would be making sure we did due diligence on him as he seems unlikely

[Smartie]

I liked McInnes as a pundit. Insightful and a good communicator, both of which you'd think would be good qualities in a manager.

I'd have had no problem with us appointing him but like has been mentioned, I'm not sure I'd have been punting Ross to end up with him as the two are fairly similar.

If we had to punt Ross, we had to go for something different.

[Unseen work]

He wasn't.

Third biggest budget, yet still finished behind Killie and Motherwell two years in a row, couldn't get over the line at Hampden. Horrible football to watch.

If we want a manager that plays poor Football and regularly can't win cups when at Hampden, we should have just kept Jack Ross.

Finished 2nd 4 out of 8 seasons there, 3rd a couple of times and then 4th too. Won one cup.

Much more success than Aberdeen had in recent history.

I also think the horrible football is a bit of a myth just because his teams were solid and could win even when playing bad. But when on it they played good football.

McGinn, Hayes, Christie, Maddison, McLean etc show he could get ball players in his team

[Alex Trager]

https://twitter.com/bumpergraham/status/1526457488782106625?s=21&t=sb8maPzhNz65uzOes6UshQ

Graham Hunter has released a podcast this morning with an interview with Jon Dahl Tomasson. Could be interesting, or a complete waste of everybody’s time, depending on how the next few days go.

Possibly interesting timing though if he’s trying to get his name out there in British football again.

Will hopefully try and give it a listen today.
I’m only ten minutes in.

I am into this guy, a lot.

Captivated.

His career as a player is outstanding.

He’s won two leagues as a player and as a manager.
He’s won all there is to win on the European stage.

He’s infectious in the way he talks.

[Unseen work]

Not a fan of Graham Hunter and the fact he speaks himself for the first 5 minutes or so is annoying but looking forward to the rest of JDT interview…..if he’s allowed to speak ! 😅

[LeithMike]

I liked McInnes as a pundit. Insightful and a good communicator, both of which you'd think would be good qualities in a manager.

I'd have had no problem with us appointing him but like has been mentioned, I'm not sure I'd have been punting Ross to end up with him as the two are fairly similar.

If we had to punt Ross, we had to go for something different.I genuinely don't think Ross can be compared with McInnes. As pointed out McInnes has delivered sustained success over a long period, Ross had one good season before things unravelled. There's a huge difference in those achievements.

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[Since452]

He wasn't.

Third biggest budget, yet still finished behind Killie and Motherwell two years in a row, couldn't get over the line at Hampden. Horrible football to watch.

If we want a manager that plays poor Football and regularly can't win cups when at Hampden, we should have just kept Jack Ross.

Bit unfair to judge him on that. Every final was against Celtic. He won the one that wasnt.

[HFC93]

This sounds exactly like someone politely nodding along to a conversation so that the person will leave their table and stop talking to them

Haha. It does read like Ian Gordon getting trapped in a conversation with the pub bore.

[bingo70]

Not a fan of Graham Hunter and the fact he speaks himself for the first 5 minutes or so is annoying but looking forward to the rest of JDT interview…..if he’s allowed to speak ! 😅

He is murder eh?

I think the only other podcast of his I've listened to is his interview with Maloney and remember thinking that was annoying then too.

Really enjoying listening to JDT though when he gets the chance to talk.

[Unseen work]

He is murder eh?

I think the only other podcast of his I've listened to is his interview with Maloney and remember thinking that was annoying then too.

Really enjoying listening to JDT though when he gets the chance to talk.

Absolutely brutal mate, he seems to interrupt quite a lot and enjoys the sound of his own voice/knowledge of the game

Really enjoy listening to JDT though and I’m now 100% sold, get him in!

[Just_Jimmy]

Other than the season he was sacked he never finished out with the top 4. He averaged a 3rd place finish over about 7 seasons (something which realistically he could never have bettered over that long a period) and won a trophy.

That’s surely got to be success?Of course it is. Anyone who achieves that outside the old firm in Scotland cannot be considered anything other than a success.

Third biggest budget just means he achieved what he should have.

He's the obvious pick really, the biggest issue is the football was 'pragmatic' to be nice.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

He is murder eh?

I think the only other podcast of his I've listened to is his interview with Maloney and remember thinking that was annoying then too.

Really enjoying listening to JDT though when he gets the chance to talk.

Is it just me or does Hunter talk like someone who’s nearly fluent in English but not quite but with a Scottish accent?

Sort of “you play football, you score good goal, you win league” style stuff. He’s really hard to listen to.

[MikeyS]

Absolutely brutal mate, he seems to interrupt quite a lot and enjoys the sound of his own voice/knowledge of the game

Really enjoy listening to JDT though and I’m now 100% sold, get him in!

A total ego maniac, the constant wearing of sunglasses in doors is the straight give away!

It's a shame cos he gets great guests but it's always him talking over them or bringing it back to him. The Barca ones in particular, can't wait to mention how much he knows all the players.

[MikeyS]

Is it just me or does Hunter talk like someone who’s nearly fluent in English but not quite but with a Scottish accent?

Sort of “you play football, you score good goal” style stuff. He’s really hard to listen to.

I always felt Maloney was like that too, maybe it's a teuchter thing.

[Since452]

It sounds to me like it's going to be JDT. For Johnson to have reportedly agreed terms days ago and to still be hanging on sounds like they're waiting for JDT to say yes. If they really waanted Johnson it would have been done and announced.

[Smartie]

Is it just me or does Hunter talk like someone who’s nearly fluent in English but not quite but with a Scottish accent?

Sort of “you play football, you score good goal, you win league” style stuff. He’s really hard to listen to.

I think he might be one of those Steve McLaren types, who mirrors how he thinks the person he's speaking to speaks English.

It's annoying because he gets access to some fantastic people and manages to get some incredible content. If only he could learn to shut up and let the other person speak instead of making it all about his own opinions, his stuff would be miles better and probably the best out there.

[GloryGlory]

It sounds to me like it's going to be JDT. For Johnson to have reportedly agreed terms days ago and to still be hanging on sounds like they're waiting for JDT to say yes. If they really waanted Johnson it would have been done and announced.

Don't want to set any hares running (:greengrin) but maybe the delay in announcement is about applying for a work permit? :greengrin:greengrin

Edit: For the avoidance of all doubt, I have absolutely no sources anywhere to tell me about anything, not now, not in the past and very unlikely I will ever have in the future!

Edit edit: Of course maybe the reason we're not hearing anything is they've both turned us down and we're back to the drawing board!

[Sioux]

He wasn't.

Third biggest budget, yet still finished behind Killie and Motherwell two years in a row, couldn't get over the line at Hampden. Horrible football to watch.

If we want a manager that plays poor Football and regularly can't win cups when at Hampden, we should have just kept Jack Ross.

We don't win cups on a regular basis and never will. 4 cup wins in 100 years is where we're at.

There's no manager on the planet going to change that to something like a cup win every 4 or 5 years or so.

[Ronniekirk]

Don't want to set any hares running (:greengrin) but maybe the delay in announcement is about applying for a work permit? :greengrin:greengrin

Edit: For the avoidance of all doubt, I have absolutely no sources anywhere to tell me about anything, not now, not in the past and very unlikely I will ever have in the future!

Edit edit: Of course maybe the reason we're not hearing anything is they've both turned us down and we're back to the drawing board!

Committees take ages to agree on things especially if there is support from different members for both candidates
But while it’s clear L J wants the job thete is no indication from any source re other candidate so clearly Thsts Where delay is
But assume it needs to be sorted this week or L J could look elsewhere

[Fuzzywuzzy]

We don't win cups on a regular basis and never will. 4 cup wins in 100 years is where we're at.

There's no manager on the planet going to change that to something like a cup win every 4 or 5 years or so.

Crazy considering the number of finals we've been in

[GloryGlory]

Committees take ages to agree on things especially if there is support from different members for both candidates
But while it’s clear L J wants the job thete is no indication from any source re other candidate so clearly Thsts Where delay is
But assume it needs to be sorted this week or L J could look elsewhere

Maybe it's also due diligence - e.g. following up references.

[Feed McGraw]

We don't win cups on a regular basis and never will. 4 cup wins in 100 years is where we're at.

There's no manager on the planet going to change that to something like a cup win every 4 or 5 years or so.Or, put this way - 4 cup wins in 44 years - 1972-2016 😀

[GreenCastle]

Not a fan of Graham Hunter and the fact he speaks himself for the first 5 minutes or so is annoying but looking forward to the rest of JDT interview…..if he’s allowed to speak ! 😅

Yeah I was thinking is this just me or is Hunter chatting a lot and he should really let the guests talk more.

Anyway worth a listen on Spotify or similar of you haven’t listened yet.

JDH has had some incredible experiences.

I’ve always wondered why we haven’t had more Danish players - good market for potential.

He talked a lot about Danish youth and the school experiences - seems they are pretty intelligent group.

I do wonder when Hibs are going to get this sorted and what the hold up is. With the Europa league final tomorrow and the chat Thursday will be all Rangers related if they win or lose then Friday it will be Scottish cup news. Today surely a good day to announce it ?

[bingo70]

Yeah I was thinking is this just me or is Hunter chatting a lot and he should really let the guests talk more.

Anyway worth a listen on Spotify or similar of you haven’t listened yet.

JDH has had some incredible experiences.

I’ve always wondered why we haven’t had more Danish players - good market for potential.

He talked a lot about Danish youth and the school experiences - seems they are pretty intelligent group.

I do wonder when Hibs are going to get this sorted and what the hold up is. With the Europa league final tomorrow and the chat Thursday will be all Rangers related if they win or lose then Friday it will be Scottish cup news. Today surely a good day to announce it ?

It seemed to finish really abruptly, I am guessing there is a second part that I can’t see anywhere? Any ideas when that gets released if so?

[JimBHibees]

https://twitter.com/bumpergraham/status/1526457488782106625?s=21&t=sb8maPzhNz65uzOes6UshQ

Graham Hunter has released a podcast this morning with an interview with Jon Dahl Tomasson. Could be interesting, or a complete waste of everybody’s time, depending on how the next few days go.

Possibly interesting timing though if he’s trying to get his name out there in British football again.

Will hopefully try and give it a listen today.

Is there anywhere this is free to listen to? Seemed to be sending me to a payment page

[Lago]

Rather a lot of non execs?
Still have a vote.

[flash]

It seemed to finish really abruptly, I am guessing there is a second part that I can’t see anywhere? Any ideas when that gets released if so?

Aye it says Part 1 on twitter.

[bingo70]

Is there anywhere this is free to listen to? Seemed to be sending me to a payment page

I just listened to it on Apple podcasts.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/jon-dahl-tomasson-how-ancelotti-managed-milans-egos/id988360681?i=1000561680860

I just mentioned it but it seemed to finish quite abruptly after about 50 minutes, I’m not sure if you have to pay to subscribe to get the rest or if part 2 is released later? The one that is free is still worth a listen though.

[GreenCastle]

Is there anywhere this is free to listen to? Seemed to be sending me to a payment page

https://player.fm/series/the-big-interview-with-graham-hunter-1000063/jon-dahl-tomasson-how-ancelotti-managed-milans-egos

[JimBHibees]

I just listened to it on Apple podcasts.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/jon-dahl-tomasson-how-ancelotti-managed-milans-egos/id988360681?i=1000561680860

I just mentioned it but it seemed to finish quite abruptly after about 50 minutes, I’m not sure if you have to pay to subscribe to get the rest or if part 2 is released later? The one that is free is still worth a listen though.

Cheers thanks just got it on spotify. Yes assume part 2 released in future

[GreenCastle]

It seemed to finish really abruptly, I am guessing there is a second part that I can’t see anywhere? Any ideas when that gets released if so?

Was a 50 min interview - not sure if part 2 ?

[high bee]

Cup final success rate in last fifty years, at least one win (outside OF):
St Johnstone: 100% (3/3)
Partick: 100% (1/1)
Raith: 100% (1/1)
St Mirren: 67% (2/3)
Kilmarnock: 50% (2/4)
Inverness: 50% (1/2)
Livingston: 50% (1/2)
Ross County: 50% (1/2)
Aberdeen: 45% (10/22)
Hearts: 30% (3/10)
Hibs: 25% (4/16)
Dundee: 25% (1/4)
Dundee Utd: 24% (4/17)
Motherwell: 20% (1/5)

Finals against either half of the OF removed:
St Johnstone: 100% (3/3)
St Mirren: 100% (2/2)
Motherwell: 100% (1/1)
Aberdeen: 86% (6/7)
Dundee Utd: 50% (3/6)
Hearts: 50% (2/4)
Kilmarnock: 50% (1/2)
Inverness: 50% (1/2)
Livingston: 50% (1/2)
Ross County: 50% (1/2)
Hibs: 40% (4/10)

Surely anyone can have a go at improving that horrendous, embarrassing record of the WORST win percentage against non OF teams in finals, and the MOST losses to non-OF teams in finals.

We're the only team to have a LOSING record in finals that aren't against Celtic or Rangers. That is utterly pathetic.

Utterly pathetic? That’s a bit harsh, statistics can be used to make any argument valid. How about this, still using your stats:

Cup wins in last 50 years:

Aberdeen - 10
Hibs - 4
Dundee Utd - 4
St Johnstone - 3
Hearts - 3
Kilmarnock - 2
St Mirren - 2
Patrick - 1
Raith - 1
Motherwell - 1
Dundee - 1
Ross Co - 1
Livi - 1
Inverness - 1

All this talk of being a failure because we lost finals or having some sort of loser mentality completely ignores the fact we made it to the finals by winning lots of games while the other teams around us were losing games and not making it to the finals.

Ultimately it doesn’t matter whether making it to finals is an achievement in itself or a failure for having a lower win rate because luckily for us, outside the OF, we have won the 2nd most trophies in the last 50 years which is entirely consistent with a club of our size. Let’s also not forget that Aberdeen and DUTD had pretty good teams in the 80s.

[JohnM1875]

Surely something will be announced or leaked today?!

[Callum_62]

Surely something will be announced or leaked today?!If not today then I have a feeling it will be Friday

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[leith lynx]

Yeah I was thinking is this just me or is Hunter chatting a lot and he should really let the guests talk more.

Anyway worth a listen on Spotify or similar of you haven’t listened yet.

JDH has had some incredible experiences.

I’ve always wondered why we haven’t had more Danish players - good market for potential.

He talked a lot about Danish youth and the school experiences - seems they are pretty intelligent group.

I do wonder when Hibs are going to get this sorted and what the hold up is. With the Europa league final tomorrow and the chat Thursday will be all Rangers related if they win or lose then Friday it will be Scottish cup news. Today surely a good day to announce it ?

Ulrik Laursen was a great Dane for Hibs, players of that calibre would be most welcome.

[MikeyS]

Just listening at the moment. Knew him as a player not so much as a manager but I'm really impressed by him so far. Seems to have a good personality along with his many impressive experiences.

Also good to know the proper pronunciation should he pitch up....Yon Dale Tomasson.

[ekhibee]

Utterly pathetic? That’s a bit harsh, statistics can be used to make any argument valid. How about this, still using your stats:

Cup wins in last 50 years:

Aberdeen - 10
Hibs - 4
Dundee Utd - 4
St Johnstone - 3
Hearts - 3
Kilmarnock - 2
St Mirren - 2
Patrick - 1
Raith - 1
Motherwell - 1
Dundee - 1
Ross Co - 1
Livi - 1
Inverness - 1

All this talk of being a failure because we lost finals or having some sort of loser mentality completely ignores the fact we made it to the finals by winning lots of games while the other teams around us were losing games and not making it to the finals.

Ultimately it doesn’t matter whether making it to finals is an achievement in itself or a failure for having a lower win rate because luckily for us, outside the OF, we have won the 2nd most trophies in the last 50 years which is entirely consistent with a club of our size. Let’s also not forget that Aberdeen and DUTD had pretty good teams in the 80s.
That's a fair point you're making, but let's face it we should have better stats. The one that sticks out for me is the League Cup final v Ross County, we should've won that.

[bingo70]

Just listening at the moment. Knew him as a player not so much as a manager but I'm really impressed by him so far. Seems to have a good personality along with his many impressive experiences.

Also good to know the proper pronunciation should he pitch up....Yon Dale Tomasson.

He seems much more natural than Maloney or Ross who I felt were always trying to say the right things.

Incidentally just listening to a bit of Derek McInnes interview on the open goal podcast and he’s the same, it’s like he is just saying what he thinks naturally and not trying to sound like a coach.

[Since452]

If not today then I have a feeling it will be Friday

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5pm?

[MikeyS]

He seems much more natural than Maloney or Ross who I felt were always trying to say the right things.

Incidentally just listening to a bit of Derek McInnes interview on the open goal podcast and he’s the same, it’s like he is just saying what he thinks naturally and not trying to sound like a coach.

Aye I watched that earlier too, came across very well and I felt that players would definitely like to play for him.

On your 1st point, I think Jack Ross was an expert at dealing with the media but it was ultimately to his detriment as its definitely hid his personality from the fans. I'm sure he would have been better thought of had he shown that side more. As for Maloney, he was like a rabbit in the headlights more often than not. He never seemed comfortable even going back a few years to when he was on Sportscene, just no personality at all.

[high bee]

That's a fair point you're making, but let's face it we should have better stats. The one that sticks out for me is the League Cup final v Ross County, we should've won that.

Yeah we definitely should, that final along with Livi really stick in my craw for different reasons. I just feel as a support we are quite damning of ourselves at times.

[Musselbound]

If not today then I have a feeling it will be Friday

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I agree. The media circus around Rangers in Seville could partly explain a delay in any announcement.

[I'm Spartacus]

Cup final success rate in last fifty years, at least one win (outside OF):
St Johnstone: 100% (3/3)
Partick: 100% (1/1)
Raith: 100% (1/1)
St Mirren: 67% (2/3)
Kilmarnock: 50% (2/4)
Inverness: 50% (1/2)
Livingston: 50% (1/2)
Ross County: 50% (1/2)
Aberdeen: 45% (10/22)
Hearts: 30% (3/10)
Hibs: 25% (4/16)
Dundee: 25% (1/4)
Dundee Utd: 24% (4/17)
Motherwell: 20% (1/5)

Finals against either half of the OF removed:
St Johnstone: 100% (3/3)
St Mirren: 100% (2/2)
Motherwell: 100% (1/1)
Aberdeen: 86% (6/7)
Dundee Utd: 50% (3/6)
Hearts: 50% (2/4)
Kilmarnock: 50% (1/2)
Inverness: 50% (1/2)
Livingston: 50% (1/2)
Ross County: 50% (1/2)
Hibs: 40% (4/10)

Surely anyone can have a go at improving that horrendous, embarrassing record of the WORST win percentage against non OF teams in finals, and the MOST losses to non-OF teams in finals.

We're the only team to have a LOSING record in finals that aren't against Celtic or Rangers. That is utterly pathetic.

26 finals in 50 years, why aren't we actually celebrating this? Isn't that a very decent figure?

Total Hampden visits in 50 year would also have been superb.

[Unseen work]

He seems much more natural than Maloney or Ross who I felt were always trying to say the right things.

Incidentally just listening to a bit of Derek McInnes interview on the open goal podcast and he’s the same, it’s like he is just saying what he thinks naturally and not trying to sound like a coach.

Agree with this.

Also quite like how he touches on the players decisions during the game a they’ll see things and will need to deal with it like he did as a player with his pressing.

There needs to be an element of freedom with players which I think he would give them.

Not a fan at all when teams are coached to an inch of their life

[Willis1875]

I agree. The media circus around Rangers in Seville could partly explain a delay in any announcement.

Might work in hibs favour if it’s Lee Johnson,the news would quickly get lost in amongst all the Rangers nonsense

[.Sean.]

26 finals in 50 years, why aren't we actually celebrating this? Isn't that a very decent figure?

Total Hampden visits in 50 year would also have been superb.
It’s 16 finals in total I think?

[Stuart93]

26 finals in 50 years, why aren't we actually celebrating this? Isn't that a very decent figure?

Total Hampden visits in 50 year would also have been superb.

Because it’s 4 wins out of those finals which isn’t good

[MikeyS]

Agree with this.

Also quite like how he touches on the players decisions during the game a they’ll see things and will need to deal with it like he did as a player with his pressing.

There needs to be an element of freedom with players which I think he would give them.

Not a fan at all when teams are coached to an inch of their life

Totally agree with your last sentence mate, it ultimately leads to boring football at our level. It seems like we don't produce anything other than robotic footballers in Scotland now, been a long time since a maverick broke through at any of the clubs! Riordan, McFadden being the ones that spring out to me.

[Hibbyradge]

Totally agree with your last sentence mate, it ultimately leads to boring football at our level. It seems like we don't produce anything other than robotic footballers in Scotland now, been a long time since a maverick broke through at any of the clubs! Riordan, McFadden being the ones that spring out to me.

Griffiths? Boyle?

[Jones28]

Totally agree with your last sentence mate, it ultimately leads to boring football at our level. It seems like we don't produce anything other than robotic footballers in Scotland now, been a long time since a maverick broke through at any of the clubs! Riordan, McFadden being the ones that spring out to me.

Cummings?

[oneone73]

Totally agree with your last sentence mate, it ultimately leads to boring football at our level. It seems like we don't produce anything other than robotic footballers in Scotland now, been a long time since a maverick broke through at any of the clubs! Riordan, McFadden being the ones that spring out to me.

Porto?

[Since452]

Agree with this.

Also quite like how he touches on the players decisions during the game a they’ll see things and will need to deal with it like he did as a player with his pressing.

There needs to be an element of freedom with players which I think he would give them.

Not a fan at all when teams are coached to an inch of their life

It's just the way football is now. Games are more like like gams of chess rather than two teams going at it hammer and tongs. Tactics have come on a long way and teams very often cancel each other out. It ends up looking boring. Not sure how 0-0 draws compare now to 10/20 years ago but i'd wager there are far more now. I'm not a fan of it either but its the route we're going down.

[SaulGoodman]

Mcginn? Robertson?

[MikeyS]

Griffiths, Boyle & Cummings are all good examples actually. Quite telling that none of them came through an academy!

[MikeyS]

Mcginn? Robertson?

Great players, of course, but not ones you would hold up as maverick types in my opinion.

I'm more meaning players that you just don't know what is coming next and can change/win a game out of nothing.

[JimBHibees]

Great players, of course, but not ones you would hold up as maverick types in my opinion.

I'm more meaning players that you just don't know what is coming next and can change/win a game out of nothing.

Gilmour

[MikeyS]

Gilmour

The poster boy for Academies in my opinion. Lovely footballer and won't give it away cheaply which is what its all about but he isn't going to beat several men and place one in the top corner. Those players just don't seem to encouraged through the youth levels anymore.

[Spudster]

Finals against either half of the OF removed:
St Johnstone: 100% (3/3)
St Mirren: 100% (2/2)
Motherwell: 100% (1/1)
Aberdeen: 86% (6/7)
Dundee Utd: 50% (3/6)
Hearts: 50% (2/4)
Kilmarnock: 50% (1/2)
Inverness: 50% (1/2)
Livingston: 50% (1/2)
Ross County: 50% (1/2)
Hibs: 40% (4/10)
We're the only team to have a LOSING record in finals that aren't against Celtic or Rangers. That is utterly pathetic.


Quite the accomplishment to get that narrative out of those stats.
Edit - having checked the numbers aren't even correct.
League cup finals lost: Ross County, Livingston, Aberdeen
Scottish Cup finals lost: St Johnstone, hearts

[JeMeSouviens]

Cup final success rate in last fifty years, at least one win (outside OF):
St Johnstone: 100% (3/3)
Partick: 100% (1/1)
Raith: 100% (1/1)
St Mirren: 67% (2/3)
Kilmarnock: 50% (2/4)
Inverness: 50% (1/2)
Livingston: 50% (1/2)
Ross County: 50% (1/2)
Aberdeen: 45% (10/22)
Hearts: 30% (3/10)
Hibs: 25% (4/16)
Dundee: 25% (1/4)
Dundee Utd: 24% (4/17)
Motherwell: 20% (1/5)

Finals against either half of the OF removed:
St Johnstone: 100% (3/3)
St Mirren: 100% (2/2)
Motherwell: 100% (1/1)
Aberdeen: 86% (6/7)
Dundee Utd: 50% (3/6)
Hearts: 50% (2/4)
Kilmarnock: 50% (1/2)
Inverness: 50% (1/2)
Livingston: 50% (1/2)
Ross County: 50% (1/2)
Hibs: 40% (4/10)

Surely anyone can have a go at improving that horrendous, embarrassing record of the WORST win percentage against non OF teams in finals, and the MOST losses to non-OF teams in finals.

We're the only team to have a LOSING record in finals that aren't against Celtic or Rangers. That is utterly pathetic.


I can only think of 7 Hibs v non-OF finals.

wins v Pars (91), Killie (07)
losses v Dons (85), Livi (04), Hearts (12), Ross C (16) St J (21)

[hibee_nation]

I can only think of 7 Hibs v non-OF finals.

wins v Pars (91), Killie (07)
losses v Dons (85), Livi (04), Hearts (12), Ross C (16) St J (21)

Clyde 58 SC final lost one nil i think

[JeMeSouviens]

Clyde 58 SC final lost one nil i think

Yeah, but the stat was "last 50 years".

[hibee_nation]

Yeah, but the stat was "last 50 years".

So it is my bad

[Spudster]

Including the old firm 4/16
Outwith the old firm 4/10

How can the number of wins be the same when we beat rangers in 2016 :confused:

[nonshinyfinish]

Including the old firm 4/16
Outwith the old firm 4/10

How can the number of wins be the same when we beat rangers in 2016 :confused:

I think the post above is correct that it's 2 wins out of 7 for non-OF finals.

Plus SC 2016 and LC 1972 gives 4 wins in total. I'm not going to count up the finals lost to the OF, too depressing.

[JeMeSouviens]

Including the old firm 4/16
Outwith the old firm 4/10

How can the number of wins be the same when we beat rangers in 2016 :confused:

Think the correct stats are 4/15* and 2/7 if you count both Rangers as being OF.

If you don't then it's 4/15 and 3/8.



* assume the original 16 included the 72 SC final, which is now 50 years and 11 days ago. :na na:

[Sir David Gray]

26 finals in 50 years, why aren't we actually celebrating this? Isn't that a very decent figure?

Total Hampden visits in 50 year would also have been superb.

It's 16 finals in 50 years.

The 10 finals referred to are the ones not against Celtic or Rangers, they're not added to the 16. We have had 6 finals in the last 50 years which have been against either Celtic or Rangers.

[Lago]

I'm sure the number of finals Hibs have been in is worth considering but not on the next manager thread people.

[JeMeSouviens]

It's 16 finals in 50 years.

The 10 finals referred to are the ones not against Celtic or Rangers, they're not added to the 16. We have had 6 finals in the last 50 years which have been against either Celtic or Rangers.

8 actually - Celtc in 72, 74 and 21 league cup, 01 and 13 scottish cup. Rangers (both kinds) in 93 league cup, 79 and 16 scottish cups

[JeMeSouviens]

I'm sure the number of finals Hibs have been in is worth considering but not on the next manager thread people.

Go to kill time somehow :dunno:

[GreenGray]

Pure speculation here but could the reason the board are struggling to decide between LJ or JDT be because LJ is more willing to work within the structure of the club whereas JDT has expressed concerns with the structure and may want to sign his own players from Denmark etc?. And possibly the only reason the board haven't just appointed LJ is because they are aware of the fan backlash?

[SHODAN]

Deleted the post because I can't numbers. Sorry everyone!

[Sir David Gray]

I can only think of 7 Hibs v non-OF finals.

wins v Pars (91), Killie (07)
losses v Dons (85), Livi (04), Hearts (12), Ross C (16) St J (21)

That's correct going back to 1972 we have been in the following finals;

1972 - Celtic (lost)
1972 - Celtic (won)
1974 - Celtic (lost)
1979 - Rangers (lost)
1985 - Aberdeen (lost)
1991 - Dunfermline (won)
1993 - Rangers (lost)
2001 - Celtic (lost)
2004 - Livingston (lost)
2007 - Kilmarnock (won)
2012 - Hearts (lost)
2013 - Celtic (lost)
2016 - Ross County (lost)
2016 - Rangers (won)
2021 - St Johnstone (lost)
2022 - Celtic (lost)

You are correct, we have had 7 finals v non-Old Firm sides since 1972 - won 2 and lost 5. The overall total of 16 finals is correct but we have played Celtic or Rangers 9 times in finals over the last 50 years.

Not sure if the other figures are also slightly off or not.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That's correct going back to 1972 we have been in the following finals;

1972 - Celtic (lost)
1972 - Celtic (won)
1974 - Celtic (lost)
1979 - Rangers (lost)
1985 - Aberdeen (lost)
1991 - Dunfermline (won)
1993 - Rangers (lost)
2001 - Celtic (lost)
2004 - Livingston (lost)
2007 - Kilmarnock (won)
2012 - Hearts (lost)
2013 - Celtic (lost)
2016 - Ross County (lost)
2016 - Rangers (won)
2021 - St Johnstone (lost)
2022 - Celtic (lost)

You are correct, we have had 7 finals v non-Old Firm sides since 1972 - won 2 and lost 5. The overall total of 16 finals is correct but we have played Celtic or Rangers 9 times in finals over the last 50 years.

Not sure if the other figures are also slightly off or not.

So we usually lose 3 in a row then we win. Hope we get the next failure out the way ASAP so we can look forward to our guaranteed victory :agree:

[HoboHarry]

That's correct going back to 1972 we have been in the following finals;

1972 - Celtic (lost)
1972 - Celtic (won)
1974 - Celtic (lost)
1979 - Rangers (lost)
1985 - Aberdeen (lost)
1991 - Dunfermline (won)
1993 - Rangers (lost)
2001 - Celtic (lost)
2004 - Livingston (lost)
2007 - Kilmarnock (won)
2012 - Hearts (lost)
2013 - Celtic (lost)
2016 - Ross County (lost)
2016 - Rangers (won)
2021 - St Johnstone (lost)
2022 - Celtic (lost)

You are correct, we have had 7 finals v non-Old Firm sides since 1972 - won 2 and lost 5. The overall total of 16 finals is correct but we have played Celtic or Rangers 9 times in finals over the last 50 years.

Not sure if the other figures are also slightly off or not.
Are you including Drybourgh Cups in there? Long time ago and I was a child but I seem to recall they were important at the time....

[Sir David Gray]

Are you including Drybourgh Cups in there? Long time ago and I was a child but I seem to recall they were important at the time....

No just Scottish Cup and League Cup.

[Unseen work]

Can only imagine the delay of announcing JDT is because the media team are thinking of a fantastic announcement video where he takes the mick out of rangers/says we’re all clever people.

[SteveHFC]

Can only imagine the delay of announcing JDT is because the media team are thinking of a fantastic announcement video where he takes the mick out of rangers/says we’re all clever people.

:hyper :hyper

[Just_Jimmy]

That's a fair point you're making, but let's face it we should have better stats. The one that sticks out for me is the League Cup final v Ross County, we should've won that.And 2004 v Livingston.

Did for celtic and original rangers then lost to them. Even though they finished above us in the league that season.

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[One Day Soon]

I mean FFS just hurry up and announce someone.

[heretoday]

Is there a chance we could get McInnes?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is there a chance we could get McInnes?

If he fancied it then I’d be stunned if we couldn’t put together a financial package to make it happen both for Killie and him.

I don’t think we’ll be considering him though.

[One Day Soon]

Waiting for JDoT.

[Hibbyradge]

Deleted the post because I can't numbers. Sorry everyone!

Or words! :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

Waiting for JDoT.

Oh God...

[Iain G]

Waiting for JDoT.

Not Waiting for Gordo (to announce JDT)?

[Since452]

This is like waiting for Steven Whittaker to be announced all over again.

[SlickShoes]

Announce Ian Gordon!

[The Harp]

Are you including Drybourgh Cups in there? Long time ago and I was a child but I seem to recall they were important at the time....

You're right, the Drybrough Cup was a prestigious competition at the time, which we did well to win in '72 &'73, beating the old rangers in the semis and celtic in both Finals. In the 3rd year of the Drybrough we were narrowly beaten in the semi final.

[One Day Soon]

Announce Ian Gordon!

Do NOT announce Ian Gordon.

[GreenCastle]

Announce Ian Gordon!

Ian Gordon announce Lee Johnson..

Assume Michael Appleton is not even being considered anymore - be inter to see where he ends up.

If you Google JDT- very few news links with him and Hibs. Pretty odd - you would think it would be picked up by more journalists if more substance.

[keep the faith]

I mean FFS just hurry up and announce someone.

They did it too quick last time. I'm glad we are taking our time here and making sure the candidates have a plan, understand our league, and have great contacts and signing targets ready to come in.

[bingo70]

I see Salford City have sacked their manager.

Was a lot of talk of Appleton going there for a bit so I wonder if that’s why all the talk of him has gone cold very quickly?

[Lago]

I'm sure the number of finals Hibs have been in is worth considering but not on the next manager thread people.

[GordonHFC]

I see Salford City have sacked their manager.

Was a lot of talk of Appleton going there for a bit so I wonder if that’s why all the talk of him has gone cold very quickly?

Possibly. He is from Salford.

[RossScott1991]

Watched open goal with Derek Mcinnes. Came across very well. Particularly in addressing criticism about his style.

https://youtu.be/DLB-W7fMLt4

22:10 into it for anyone wanting to listen.

Comes across a good man manager with the players

[Keyser Sauzee]

I see Salford City have sacked their manager.

Was a lot of talk of Appleton going there for a bit so I wonder if that’s why all the talk of him has gone cold very quickly?

He’ll probably have links to Neville and co from his time as a youth player at United so could well make sense him going there.

[Spudster]

Watched open goal with Derek Mcinnes. Came across very well. Particularly in addressing criticism about his style.

https://youtu.be/DLB-W7fMLt4

22:10 into it for anyone wanting to listen.

Comes across a good man manager with the players

Said this before about their/his playing style. Few managers would want to play hoofball, it's normally due to circumstance. Callum Davidson was the same.

[OldEast]

He’ll probably have links to Neville and co from his time as a youth player at United so could well make sense him going there.

Yes, good friends apparently

[Inconsequential]

That is long list of finals and grim reading. To lose to the Old Firm is bad enough but to lose to other sides is a double disappointment. Four major trophies in my lifetime is poor. The massive under - achievers that is Hibs. Will it ever change?

[Greencore]

I know it may never happen but imagine this place if It was Ian Gordon 😂😂😂😂

[heretoday]

If he fancied it then I’d be stunned if we couldn’t put together a financial package to make it happen both for Killie and him.

I don’t think we’ll be considering him though.

I just thought he might consider it a job with more status and prospects than his current one.

[JohnMcM]

I take it there’s no significant media activity at ER or HTC to give us hope of an announcement?

[heretoday]

I'm now of the opinion we should fling money at McInnes. It just seems a no brainer.