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Brown Hibs
14-05-2022, 04:41 PM
Dundee Utd owner says he will not hold back Tam Courts if lucrative offers come his way from the english championship

Surely to God he isn't getting anything like lucrative offers. A brutal head coach. Be sacked by United before long. Have managed to finish 5th this season by default. Relegation battle next season.

04Sauzee
14-05-2022, 04:47 PM
Surely to God he isn't getting anything like lucrative offers. A brutal head coach. Be sacked by United before long. Have managed to finish 5th this season by default. Relegation battle next season.

4th tbf

Scorrie
14-05-2022, 04:54 PM
I dont know, but i'm sure the cameras panned through the crowd recently and i spotted him i think.

I dont think he's ready to hang up his slippers yet.

I assume he was in the standing section not being able to sit with a well slippered erchie?

Spike Mandela
14-05-2022, 05:04 PM
I don’t care about Johnson’s brief spell at Hearts I am just struggling to see exactly what it is in his C.V. that Hibs would be attracted to. Am I missing something?

chrisski33
14-05-2022, 05:04 PM
Surely to God he isn't getting anything like lucrative offers. A brutal head coach. Be sacked by United before long. Have managed to finish 5th this season by default. Relegation battle next season.

Doubt it theyve finished 4th and in Europe. Not a bad first season for Court. Brutal coach my backside

Hibbyradge
14-05-2022, 05:12 PM
Has Macar given us his opinion yet on Johnson?

:slipper:

bingo70
14-05-2022, 05:15 PM
I don’t care about Johnson’s brief spell at Hearts I am just struggling to see exactly what it is in his C.V. that Hibs would be attracted to. Am I missing something?

He’s done an alright job wherever he’s been, not brilliant anywhere but no disasters and for the most part his teams score a lot of goals.

He’s a competent manager who gets his teams playing attacking football and scoring goals. If we were to appoint him I would have no doubt whatsoever he would improve us from where we are just now.

Would he improve us to get us where the club want tk be? That’s a different question altogether and I’m not sure he would. There’s nothing to suggest he would be a disaster though.

TAHibby
14-05-2022, 05:33 PM
a bland englishman that the majority have never heard of is not going to shift season tickets which isn't what you want during a point where season ticket sales could be the lowest they've been in years

Cardinal G
14-05-2022, 05:47 PM
I don’t care about Johnson’s brief spell at Hearts I am just struggling to see exactly what it is in his C.V. that Hibs would be attracted to. Am I missing something?
Spike he talks a good game and has an ego that's for sure, but for me it was all hollow. For me appointing him wouldn't work for Hibs purely for the reasons I listed earlier about his time at Sunderland which lead to his sacking.

Mr. Wonderful
14-05-2022, 05:48 PM
a bland englishman that the majority have never heard of is not going to shift season tickets which isn't what you want during a point where season ticket sales could be the lowest they've been in years

It's almost as if they're not just looking for a quick hit that puts instant bums on seats but isn't going to deliver consistent success..

Smartie
14-05-2022, 06:07 PM
a bland englishman that the majority have never heard of is not going to shift season tickets which isn't what you want during a point where season ticket sales could be the lowest they've been in years

I wouldn’t necessarily argue with this but the one thing that will fill ER and keep it going longer term is by appointing whoever entertains by putting a winning team on the park.

There is an attraction towards getting “a name”, selling more season tickets and thus giving any new manager a better budget towards getting those good results but it might be a balancing act if the “name” doesn’t necessarily translate into a decent footballing performance.

GreenCastle
14-05-2022, 06:09 PM
He’s done an alright job wherever he’s been, not brilliant anywhere but no disasters and for the most part his teams score a lot of goals.

He’s a competent manager who gets his teams playing attacking football and scoring goals. If we were to appoint him I would have no doubt whatsoever he would improve us from where we are just now.

Would he improve us to get us where the club want tk be? That’s a different question altogether and I’m not sure he would. There’s nothing to suggest he would be a disaster though.

Vanilla manager for some vanilla players..what could go wrong..

SteveHFC
14-05-2022, 09:36 PM
Lee Johnson agrees Hibs next manager terms but faces straight fight with Jon Dahl Tomasson.

Says Daily Record.

Callum_62
14-05-2022, 09:40 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lee-johnson-agrees-hibs-next-26964776

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Greencore
14-05-2022, 09:40 PM
Lee Johnson agrees Hibs next manager terms but faces straight fight with Jon Dahl Tomasson.

Says Daily Record.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lee-johnson-agrees-hibs-next-26964776.amp

SteveHFC
14-05-2022, 09:42 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lee-johnson-agrees-hibs-next-26964776

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‘The Englishman is the favourite but Tomasson also has support within the hierarchy and from sections of the fanbase.’

Interesting.

J-C
14-05-2022, 09:48 PM
‘The Englishman is the favourite but Tomasson also has support within the hierarchy and from sections of the fanbase.’

Interesting.


Tomasson is already a winning manager, has experience and is wanted by a vast majority of the fans, it should be a formality to give him the job but I'm not getting my hopes up yet, Johnson is a decent option but the Dane gets me more excited.

thebausburst
14-05-2022, 09:51 PM
‘The Englishman is the favourite but Tomasson also has support within the hierarchy and from sections of the fanbase.’

Interesting.

‘Sections of the fanbase’, yeah like the whole fanbase more like 🙄, if there is a genuine choice and Hibs don’t opt for Tomasson the fans will never forgive them.

Swedish hibee
14-05-2022, 09:51 PM
Haven't we all learnt anything yet?
Whoever gets the job, gets my support.

bingo70
14-05-2022, 09:53 PM
‘Sections of the fanbase’, yeah like the whole fanbase more like 🙄, if there is a genuine choice and Hibs don’t opt for Tomasson the fans will never forgive them.

‘Never’?

What happens if Johnson is a success?

Renfrew_Hibby
14-05-2022, 09:54 PM
Lee Johnson agrees Hibs next manager terms but faces straight fight with Jon Dahl Tomasson.

Says Daily Record.

The Record also says that SDG will take charge for the last time at home to St.Mirren... they know ****** all.

The Harp Awakes
14-05-2022, 09:54 PM
‘The Englishman is the favourite but Tomasson also has support within the hierarchy and from sections of the fanbase.’

Interesting.

Sounds like Hibs will have to stump up more cash to get Tomasson.

Tomasson would make heads turn, whereas Lee Johnson wouldn't. Big call for Hibs if the story is true. They desperately need to get this one right.

Hibs90
14-05-2022, 09:55 PM
Why do folk trust what Scott Burns said? He has lots of previous for talking ***** and stirring the pot.

Greencore
14-05-2022, 10:01 PM
Why do folk trust what Scott Burns said? He has lots of previous for talking ***** and stirring the pot.

We can dream can't we ?

chippy
14-05-2022, 10:06 PM
Sounds like Hibs will have to stump up more cash to get Tomasson.

Tomasson would make heads turn, whereas Lee Johnson wouldn't. Big call for Hibs if the story is true. They desperately need to get this one right.

It’ll be who has the more credible plan to bring in key players at ??? Cost. How affordable that is and how that might translate into season ticket sales, sponsor profile and turnover. I’d guess JDT would want a few Europeans of a high calibre. Just depends on how much Ron is prepared to speculate to accumulate. JDT in and 3/4 big signings we will sell min 12500 seasons. Johnson and some lower league English signings and we’ll be lucky to sell 9000 season tickets

Greencore
14-05-2022, 10:44 PM
It’ll be who has the more credible plan to bring in key players at ??? Cost. How affordable that is and how that might translate into season ticket sales, sponsor profile and turnover. I’d guess JDT would want a few Europeans of a high calibre. Just depends on how much Ron is prepared to speculate to accumulate. JDT in and 3/4 big signings we will sell min 12500 seasons. Johnson and some lower league English signings and we’ll be lucky to sell 9000 season tickets

Sums it up for me.

JohnM1875
14-05-2022, 11:17 PM
A Johnstone Paint trophy vs 2x Swedish League titles and Champions League experience 🤔

Ronniekirk
14-05-2022, 11:24 PM
A Johnstone Paint trophy vs 2x Swedish League titles and Champions League experience [emoji848]

Kind of takes the Gloss off it when you put it like that


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JohnM1875
14-05-2022, 11:24 PM
Kind of takes the Gloss off it when you put it like that


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😂

GreenCastle
14-05-2022, 11:26 PM
I do find these stories odd - wonder if Hibs are happy with all the leaks / stories about candidates.

AdidasHibernian
15-05-2022, 12:19 AM
Kind of takes the Gloss off it when you put it like that


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👏😂👏😂👏😂

hibbydog
15-05-2022, 05:24 AM
A Johnstone Paint trophy vs 2x Swedish League titles and Champions League experience 🤔

I dunno how relevant that really is. I guess it’s important to have someone with a big status in terms of bringing in players and exciting the fans.

But the big drawback of bringing in a well known millionaire is that they’re less likely to stick at it when things start going badly. I liked the Roy Keane idea save for the fact that, at the first sign of trouble, he’d be off.

Maybe there’s merit in bringing in someone who knows the league and is hungry to prove himself ?

Och I dunno. It’s not an exact science and a difficult decision.

Mick O'Rourke
15-05-2022, 05:57 AM
Kind of takes the Gloss off it when you put it like that


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Doesn't paint a pretty picture ,right enough.

Libby Hibby
15-05-2022, 06:00 AM
Kind of takes the Gloss off it when you put it like that


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I’m sure whoever is appointed will be able to brush it off.

h18eeynick
15-05-2022, 06:11 AM
I’m sure whoever is appointed will be able to brush it off.I'm satin the unsure box just now. Sorry I'll get my coat ! A double entendre !

LancashireHibby
15-05-2022, 06:13 AM
I do find these stories odd - wonder if Hibs are happy with all the leaks / stories about candidates.
Keeps us in the news and keeps people talking. I’d be more worried if it was any other way as it would suggest a lack of interest on all fronts.

Jones28
15-05-2022, 06:20 AM
Kind of takes the Gloss off it when you put it like that


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Whoever makes the call needs to try and take the emulsion out of it.

h18eeynick
15-05-2022, 06:22 AM
Whoever makes the call needs to try and take the emulsion out of it.love it ! Brilliant

Allant1981
15-05-2022, 06:26 AM
A Johnstone Paint trophy vs 2x Swedish League titles and Champions League experience 🤔

Malmo had won the league 5 times in 8 years before he took over, we arent talking about a guy who took a struggling team from useless to winners

MKHIBEE
15-05-2022, 06:38 AM
Whoever makes the call needs to try and take the emulsion out of it.

Thats where Imatt

MrSmith
15-05-2022, 06:46 AM
I’m walking on eggshell over the appointments 🫣

Willis1875
15-05-2022, 06:46 AM
Malmo had won the league 5 times in 8 years before he took over, we arent talking about a guy who took a struggling team from useless to winners

Whilst true to counter that it’s not always that easy to keep that trend going.

Take Mowbray for example at Celtic,Mowbray I’m sure most would agree was one of our better managers of the last 20 years went into Celtic in 2009/10 and struggled with a team that had won the league 5 times in 8 years.

The Swedish league is probably a bit more competitive at the top end than the SPL aswell

Allant1981
15-05-2022, 06:56 AM
Whilst true to counter that it’s not always that easy to keep that trend going.

Take Mowbray for example at Celtic,Mowbray I’m sure most would agree was one of our better managers of the last 20 years went into Celtic in 2009/10 and struggled with a team that had won the league 5 times in 8 years.

The Swedish league is probably a bit more competitive at the top end than the SPL aswell

Yip totally appreciate that but the way some folk are going on you would think we are looking at appointing pep or klopp when in truth most of us on here will not have a scooby what he is like as a coach/manager unless you closely follow swedish football. Hopefully whoever we appoint is a success

Hibstrooper
15-05-2022, 07:14 AM
Am I the only one not convinced by JDT?

Sure a big name and a great playing pedigree but I’m not seeing anything in his managerial career that suggests he’d be a roaring success at Hibs. Malmo winning the league is expected and doesn’t sound like he did it at a canter. He also has no experience of the Scottish game.

A lot of people saying we need to send a message to the Board that we need to get this appointment spot on, JDT feels too much like a gamble to me. Johnson has a lot more and more relevant experience than JDT and whilst he wouldn’t be my first choice feels a better option of the 2 for me.

bigwheel
15-05-2022, 07:16 AM
Am I the only one not convinced by JDT?

Sure a big name and a great playing pedigree but I’m not seeing anything in his managerial career that suggests he’d be a roaring success at Hibs. Malmo winning the league is expected and doesn’t sound like he did it at a canter. He also has no experience of the Scottish game.

A lot of people saying we need to send a message to the Board that we need to get this appointment spot on, JDT feels too much like a gamble to me. Johnson has a lot more and more relevant experience than JDT and whilst he wouldn’t be my first choice feels a better option than the 2 for me.

Tbh. None of the names that seem to be in the running look real quality .. none of them excite me either

Callum_62
15-05-2022, 07:18 AM
Yip totally appreciate that but the way some folk are going on you would think we are looking at appointing pep or klopp when in truth most of us on here will not have a scooby what he is like as a coach/manager unless you closely follow swedish football. Hopefully whoever we appoint is a successPretty much exactly what I was about to write

I'm not saying we shouldn't appoint JDT but I bet alot of folk here didn't even know he was a manager until the rangers game [emoji23]

He's managed for basically 2 years but been pretty successful

I think there is merit is both the choices

Gut tells me LJ would probbaly be a longer term more sensible appointment but wouldn't be initially as popular

I'm also sure some will now always bang the 'should have went for JDT' drum if and when the new guy has a sticky patch

If be happy with either but would be more Intriuged to see what JDT is all about

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bingo70
15-05-2022, 07:19 AM
Am I the only one not convinced by JDT?

Sure a big name and a great playing pedigree but I’m not seeing anything in his managerial career that suggests he’d be a roaring success at Hibs. Malmo winning the league is expected and doesn’t sound like he did it at a canter. He also has no experience of the Scottish game.

A lot of people saying we need to send a message to the Board that we need to get this appointment spot on, JDT feels too much like a gamble to me. Johnson has a lot more and more relevant experience than JDT and whilst he wouldn’t be my first choice feels a better option than the 2 for me.

I agree, his Malmo stint was obviously very good but it’s a very different job to the one he’d have at Hibs.

The two jobs he’s had that are more equivalent to the Hibs job, Roda JC and excelsior he was a disaster and sacked 6 months in both times from what I can see. They were a long time ago so he’s maybe learned from them but it’s still a concern for me, we can’t afford someone to have a disaster.

I’m not saying JDT is a bad shout as he’d be hugely exciting, I don’t think it’s thr open and **** case between him or Johnson as some people are saying though.

GloryGlory
15-05-2022, 07:19 AM
Lee Johnson agrees Hibs next manager terms but faces straight fight with Jon Dahl Tomasson.

Says Daily Record.

So it's Michael Appleton, then. :greengrin

McGruber
15-05-2022, 07:24 AM
How come?

In terms of a popularity contest you’re right but what if there were red flags in JDT’s interview? What if Johnson came across much better?

Because JDT has a stature in the game Johnson doesn't, over 100 caps for Denmark, Champions League winner, glittering playing career. In managemrnt, league titles, big game experience, Champions league experience.. knocking Rangers out of Europe.

Johnson doesn't have a comparitable playing career which isn't all that important in terms of management though does count in terms of JDT having an edge in attracting the odd player that otherwise might turn us down.

Johnson's managerial career also doesn't stand out for anything. I look at his last gig and his failure at Sunderland. Jack Ross made a better go of it at Sunderland.

More to the point - I think right now the club need a strong leader, a guy with presence and standing that can be the focal point of the club. I couldn't see Johnson as any further than that type.

Anyway, just my opinion - one that counts for diddly. I was underwhelmed with Mowbray's appointment and delighted with Butcher so goes to show. If it is Johnson in the end hopefully it is a success and I'll get behind him. At this stage really hoping it's not him, don't like how he comes across at all and think it has disaster written all over it

Col2
15-05-2022, 07:25 AM
Am I the only one not convinced by JDT?

Sure a big name and a great playing pedigree but I’m not seeing anything in his managerial career that suggests he’d be a roaring success at Hibs. Malmo winning the league is expected and doesn’t sound like he did it at a canter. He also has no experience of the Scottish game.

A lot of people saying we need to send a message to the Board that we need to get this appointment spot on, JDT feels too much like a gamble to me. Johnson has a lot more and more relevant experience than JDT and whilst he wouldn’t be my first choice feels a better option of the 2 for me.

Every appointment is gamble and let’s be honest we wouldn’t get a top European coach with far more experience and successes.

For me he is miles ahead of Johnson in that he has won leagues, played in European champions league but is a household name who has has played for Denmark over 100 times and is a CL winner. He has played at the highest level. He would galvanize the support and would likely have access to a much broader target of players. Neither of them know the Scottish game so both have that risk.

Jones28
15-05-2022, 07:27 AM
love it ! Brilliant

At least the season is done with, we have the duluxury of time.





That’s the last one I promise 😂

GloryGlory
15-05-2022, 07:34 AM
Because JDT has a stature in the game Johnson doesn't, over 100 caps for Denmark, Champions League winner, glittering playing career. In managemrnt, league titles, big game experience, Champions league experience.. knocking Rangers out of Europe.

Johnson doesn't have a comparitable playing career which isn't all that important in terms of management though does count in terms of JDT having an edge in attracting the odd player that otherwise might turn us down.

Johnson's managerial career also doesn't stand out for anything. I look at his last gig and his failure at Sunderland. Jack Ross made a better go of it at Sunderland.

More to the point - I think right now the club need a strong leader, a guy with presence and standing that can be the focal point of the club. I couldn't see Johnson as any further than that type.

Anyway, just my opinion - one that counts for diddly. I was underwhelmed with Mowbray's appointment and delighted with Butcher so goes to show. If it is Johnson in the end hopefully it is a success and I'll get behind him. At this stage really hoping it's not him, don't like how he comes across at all and think it has disaster written all over it

Franck Sauzee was a Champions' League winner and had 39 caps for France. Didn't make him a great coach.

Jones28
15-05-2022, 07:43 AM
Franck Sauzee was a Champions' League winner and had 39 caps for France. Didn't make him a great coach.

Not as a coach though. JDT has already proven his coaching ability.

JimBHibees
15-05-2022, 07:43 AM
Whoever makes the call needs to try and take the emulsion out of it.

:greengrin

Iain G
15-05-2022, 07:44 AM
At least the season is done with, we have the duluxury of time.





That’s the last one I promise 😂

Why stop now when you are on a roll(er)?

I think we are just masking the issue here, the squad need more than a touch up and am not sure our pot is big enough to start from a blank canvas, no matter how decorated JDT may be in the game.

JimBHibees
15-05-2022, 07:50 AM
You would have to ask why JDT wants to be Hibs coach. Should be not be looking at a bigger profile club in bigger league. Wouldn't want someone who cuts and runs at first sign of any issues. Hope there has been a decent level of due diligence on his motivations to want to join us. Not sure this is a time for gamble imo.

Mick O'Rourke
15-05-2022, 07:51 AM
I'm satin the unsure box just now. Sorry I'll get my coat ! A double entendre !

Two coats it will need then.

Callum_62
15-05-2022, 08:03 AM
You would have to ask why JDT wants to be Hibs coach. Should be not be looking at a bigger profile club in bigger league. Wouldn't want someone who cuts and runs at first sign of any issues. Hope there has been a decent level of due diligence on his motivations to want to join us. Not sure this is a time for gamble imo.I guess whatever are his motivations it won't be failing that's for sure

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hibee-boys
15-05-2022, 08:07 AM
I wonder if these leaks are a bit of a smokescreen by hibs. They see Johnson as their preference, recognise that JDT would excite the fans more, so want to make out that they give him serious consideration to ease the likely dissatisfaction when they confirm Johnson. I want them to choose who they think will be the better fit for Hibs, if that means not bowing to fan pressure then fair enough.

Lago
15-05-2022, 08:08 AM
Tomasson is already a winning manager, has experience and is wanted by a vast majority of the fans, it should be a formality to give him the job but I'm not getting my hopes up yet, Johnson is a decent option but the Dane gets me more excited.
Why did he leave Malmo?

WhileTheChief..
15-05-2022, 08:09 AM
You would have to ask why JDT wants to be Hibs coach. Should be not be looking at a bigger profile club in bigger league. Wouldn't want someone who cuts and runs at first sign of any issues. Hope there has been a decent level of due diligence on his motivations to want to join us. Not sure this is a time for gamble imo.

I would apply your thinking here to Johnson!!

Similar to Heckingbottom, he’s got nothing to lose. As soon as he signs his contract with us, he’s quids in.

I won’t say it’s guaranteed, but there’s every chance we’ll be looking for a new manager within 12 months if we appoint Johnson :duck:.

Sioux
15-05-2022, 08:20 AM
I would apply your thinking here to Johnson!!

Similar to Heckingbottom, he’s got nothing to lose. As soon as he signs his contract with us, he’s quids in.

I won’t say it’s guaranteed, but there’s every chance we’ll be looking for a new manager within 12 months if we appoint Johnson :duck:.

Same with Pep and Klopp. They'd probably be hopeless having to deal with players at our level.

JamesHFC
15-05-2022, 08:22 AM
I would apply your thinking here to Johnson!!

Similar to Heckingbottom, he’s got nothing to lose. As soon as he signs his contract with us, he’s quids in.

I won’t say it’s guaranteed, but there’s every chance we’ll be looking for a new manager within 12 months if we appoint Johnson :duck:.

There’s every chance we be looking for a new manager in 12 months regardless of who we appoint. It’s impossible to know how things will turn out.

Whoever gets the job I hope the fans back him instead of hoping he turns out to be ***** so they can say “I told you so”.

Bridge hibs
15-05-2022, 08:22 AM
Why did he leave Malmo?Says he reached the top with Malmo, perhaps felt time for another challenge, would certainly get that at hibs and more.. 😁


Tomasson calls it “a difficult decision.” “But I also say goodbye with a good feeling,” said the Dane. “I feel that I have reached the top with Mamö. I am proud and grateful to have been the trainer of one of the biggest clubs in Scandinavia. We have created a fantastic team spirit, developed a way of playing into an effective and modern form of football to build on – and we’ve developed and helped young players to break through. It’s been two unforgettable years.”

The former trainer of Roda JC and Excelsior worked before his head coach at Malmö as an assistant national coach with the Danish national team. In his first year in Swedish service, he led Malmö to the championship and play-offs for the Europa League. Granada proved too strong in this. The revenge in Europe followed a year later, when a Champions League ticket was seized in addition to a new title. Malmö secured the billion-dollar group stage, but finished only one point behind Juventus, Chelsea and Zenit St. Petersburg.

Since452
15-05-2022, 08:25 AM
It's a tough one for the board. I'm sure they would have preferred one stand out candidate. Without hearing what they both have to say, I think Johnson would be a good fit and ticks the box of the model we use. JDT adds a bit of glamour but would he have much longevity? Don't envy them making a choice.

Broxburn Greens
15-05-2022, 08:27 AM
Kind of takes the Gloss off it when you put it like that


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WhileTheChief..
15-05-2022, 08:33 AM
Same with Pep and Klopp. They'd probably be hopeless having to deal with players at our level.

You honestly believe that?

I think either of them would work wonders, and I’d be fully confident they’d get the absolute best out of any squad they worked with.

Imagine being a Hibs player when either of them gets announced as manager. You don’t think they would get an immediate bounce?

I think you’re just trying to have a cheap dig and don’t believe what you said for a second!

McGruber
15-05-2022, 08:35 AM
Franck Sauzee was a Champions' League winner and had 39 caps for France. Didn't make him a great coach.

It's not JDT's 1st rodeo as a manager though. Besides, playing career doesn't matter all that much in management as I said however it will matter at certain points. Some players that otherwise wouldn't come here might want to play for JDT. The pedigree and perception might give us a bit more pull. All players will respect him at the get go - will they respect Johnson shouting 'good boy' at them in training? Maybe they will, maybe they won't who knows.

It's not just about the big name either. I would be happy with Appleton, comes across well and like what he has to say. He has done well as a manager too - hope he is still in the running

ehf
15-05-2022, 08:35 AM
Whoever makes the call needs to try and take the emulsion out of it.

We are being primed for further disappointment…

leith lynx
15-05-2022, 08:38 AM
We are being primed for further disappointment…

If we get JDT in we can give Hearts a proper pasting next season.

WhileTheChief..
15-05-2022, 08:40 AM
There’s every chance we be looking for a new manager in 12 months regardless of who we appoint. It’s impossible to know how things will turn out.

Whoever gets the job I hope the fans back him instead ofhoping he turns out to be ***** so they can say “I told you so”.

A lot of posts saying similar on here.

Not trying to be wide here, but what do you actually mean in practical terms?

I’m not keen on Johnson at all, what will you be doing differently to me? Are we just talking about people posting their thoughts on here?

If so, are you suggesting that if we’re not happy with things that we should just keep quiet? I don’t think that’s ever happened on here before!

Edit, I doubt there’s anyone here hoping the new man fails so they can say ‘I told you so’. Thats just bs.

leith lynx
15-05-2022, 08:41 AM
I would apply your thinking here to Johnson!!

Similar to Heckingbottom, he’s got nothing to lose. As soon as he signs his contract with us, he’s quids in.

I won’t say it’s guaranteed, but there’s every chance we’ll be looking for a new manager within 12 months if we appoint Johnson :duck:.
Yes, the same old movie.

Col2
15-05-2022, 08:46 AM
Does anyone think Johnson talks like this? This is what a proper leader sounds like. And he delivers. It’s a no brainer.


Tomasson calls it “a difficult decision.” “But I also say goodbye with a good feeling,” said the Dane. “I feel that I have reached the top with Mamö. I am proud and grateful to have been the trainer of one of the biggest clubs in Scandinavia. We have created a fantastic team spirit, developed a way of playing into an effective and modern form of football to build on – and we’ve developed and helped young players to break through. It’s been two unforgettable years.”

JimBHibees
15-05-2022, 08:46 AM
I would apply your thinking here to Johnson!!

Similar to Heckingbottom, he’s got nothing to lose. As soon as he signs his contract with us, he’s quids in.

I won’t say it’s guaranteed, but there’s every chance we’ll be looking for a new manager within 12 months if we appoint Johnson :duck:.

I understand that just struggling to understand the motivations of JDT in wanting to come to us. Think Johnson or another experienced manager would be more sensible given where we are imo.

Col2
15-05-2022, 08:48 AM
I understand that just struggling to understand the motivations of JDT in wanting to come to us. Think Johnson or another experienced manager would be more sensible given where we are imo.

No doubt JDH will have bigger ambitions just like Mowbray did and Lennon I guess. But give me 2 years of proper leadership, better football, better players and significantly better results and I will take it now!

GloryGlory
15-05-2022, 08:52 AM
Not as a coach though. JDT has already proven his coaching ability.

I'll grant you that, although Malmo have the largest budget by far in the Allsvenskan, I would guess. Here he would have at best the fourth/fifth highest budget, a long way behind the clubs with the top two budgets, and maybe the top three.

JimBHibees
15-05-2022, 08:54 AM
Does anyone think Johnson talks like this? This is what a proper leader sounds like. And he delivers. It’s a no brainer.


Tomasson calls it “a difficult decision.” “But I also say goodbye with a good feeling,” said the Dane. “I feel that I have reached the top with Mamö. I am proud and grateful to have been the trainer of one of the biggest clubs in Scandinavia. We have created a fantastic team spirit, developed a way of playing into an effective and modern form of football to build on – and we’ve developed and helped young players to break through. It’s been two unforgettable years.”

I am pretty sure he could come out with the same sort of chat.

Lago
15-05-2022, 08:54 AM
Says he reached the top with Malmo, perhaps felt time for another challenge, would certainly get that at hibs and more.. 😁


Tomasson calls it “a difficult decision.” “But I also say goodbye with a good feeling,” said the Dane. “I feel that I have reached the top with Mamö. I am proud and grateful to have been the trainer of one of the biggest clubs in Scandinavia. We have created a fantastic team spirit, developed a way of playing into an effective and modern form of football to build on – and we’ve developed and helped young players to break through. It’s been two unforgettable years.”

The former trainer of Roda JC and Excelsior worked before his head coach at Malmö as an assistant national coach with the Danish national team. In his first year in Swedish service, he led Malmö to the championship and play-offs for the Europa League. Granada proved too strong in this. The revenge in Europe followed a year later, when a Champions League ticket was seized in addition to a new title. Malmö secured the billion-dollar group stage, but finished only one point behind Juventus, Chelsea and Zenit St. Petersburg.
Interesting, just can't get my head round why with such decent credentials he is interested in the hibs job, hopefully not as a temporary fill in until something better turns up.

Tambo
15-05-2022, 08:56 AM
I can see an appointment bring announced tomorrow, definitely not itk just a feeling.

Since452
15-05-2022, 08:56 AM
If either of them were available at the time and had got the job after Ross was punted I wouldn't have been disappointed. In fact I'd have been pretty happy. The Maloney experiment and failure to qualify for Europe or even the top six has probably, and rightly made people very anxious over this appointment. Whoever it is will do a good job i reckon. Comfortable with either. They will get backed.

Tambo
15-05-2022, 08:58 AM
Give Johnson and JDT 45 minutes each today and see who does the best.

JimBHibees
15-05-2022, 08:59 AM
No doubt JDH will have bigger ambitions just like Mowbray did and Lennon I guess. But give me 2 years of proper leadership, better football, better players and significantly better results and I will take it now!

Fair point hope if he gets it that is the case. Quite a different job from the one he was successful in though.

JimBHibees
15-05-2022, 09:00 AM
Give Johnson and JDT 45 minutes each today and see who does the best.

Great idea maybe they would both not want it after though :greengrin

Bridge hibs
15-05-2022, 09:02 AM
Interesting, just can't get my head round why with such decent credentials he is interested in the hibs job, hopefully not as a temporary fill in until something better turns up.I could be wrong but Im sure I read that after he departed Malmo there was chat he could be going back to Excelsior in the Dutch league, not sure if they are still Feyenoords feeder club and his remit would be to continue developing their youth.

That said and based on the story I pasted above seems to be perfect for our current excellent youths to develop into potential first team players, so another good challenge for him

Paulie Walnuts
15-05-2022, 09:20 AM
Interesting, just can't get my head round why with such decent credentials he is interested in the hibs job, hopefully not as a temporary fill in until something better turns up.

Thing is, he’d have to do well. If he comes here and is crap then teams won’t be jumping at the chance to pay us compensation to take him off us.

If he does well and is away in a year then so be it, I’d rather that than him not do well.

J-C
15-05-2022, 09:21 AM
No doubt JDH will have bigger ambitions just like Mowbray did and Lennon I guess. But give me 2 years of proper leadership, better football, better players and significantly better results and I will take it now!


Ron said in the zoom meeting with the fans that he wants a manager that comes in makes Hibs better and by doing this will probably get a move to a bigger club, possibly JDT sees Hibs as a good project that he can get his teeth into by making them a force again.

timewilltell
15-05-2022, 09:21 AM
Has JDT actually said he would like to manage us?

Coco Bryce
15-05-2022, 09:23 AM
Has JDT actually said he would like to manage us?

No quotes anywhere that I have seen.

J-C
15-05-2022, 09:24 AM
Has JDT actually said he would like to manage us?


Has Johnson said the same?

Smartie
15-05-2022, 09:29 AM
I could be wrong but Im sure I read that after he departed Malmo there was chat he could be going back to Excelsior in the Dutch league, not sure if they are still Feyenoords feeder club and his remit would be to continue developing their youth.

That said and based on the story I pasted above seems to be perfect for our current excellent youths to develop into potential first team players, so another good challenge for him

Are the under 18 team who have just done well all that close to getting into the first team, and do we have realistic prospects who are close to getting into the first team?

If he left Malmo after 2 years, that doesn't give him all that long to work with them.

In my opinion decent players should be breaking into the first team at 18 or 19, we seem to hang onto young players for a long time without seeing much of them in the first team before they don't quite make it.

I guess Laidlaw and O'Connor have been highly thought of for a while and must be getting towards an age where they must be in contention. If they were anywhere near ready or good enough you'd have expected them to get some sort of look in this season whilst we've been so short in that position?

Alex Trager
15-05-2022, 09:46 AM
No doubt JDH will have bigger ambitions just like Mowbray did and Lennon I guess. But give me 2 years of proper leadership, better football, better players and significantly better results and I will take it now!

Absolutely this.

It seems most are assuming that if we only get a short amount of time from JDT it would be because he has been successful, as always I would be delighted with that

Bridge hibs
15-05-2022, 09:50 AM
Are the under 18 team who have just done well all that close to getting into the first team, and do we have realistic prospects who are close to getting into the first team?

If he left Malmo after 2 years, that doesn't give him all that long to work with them.

In my opinion decent players should be breaking into the first team at 18 or 19, we seem to hang onto young players for a long time without seeing much of them in the first team before they don't quite make it.

I guess Laidlaw and O'Connor have been highly thought of for a while and must be getting towards an age where they must be in contention. If they were anywhere near ready or good enough you'd have expected them to get some sort of look in this season whilst we've been so short in that position?

Im not sure mate as I was just generalising. I only know as much about our youths due to the reports read on here, and that said they appear to be doing well under Evans and Kean, considering also they are competing against a few teams with respected youth set ups

In reading the quote above it appears Tomasson and his team developed youngsters who progressed into Malmo first team and possibly Excelsior to Feyenoord

As I said though its only bits Ive read online etc

JohnM1875
15-05-2022, 09:54 AM
Malmo had won the league 5 times in 8 years before he took over, we arent talking about a guy who took a struggling team from useless to winners

And Johnson won the EFL trophy with Sunderland. A team with one of, if not the largest budget involved.

Think JDT getting Malmo to the Champions League group stage after winning four qualifying rounds is quite impressive.

Bridge hibs
15-05-2022, 09:57 AM
This is an interesting read, analysis of JDT tactics

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/article/jon-dahl-tomasson-malmo-tactical-analysis-tactics

Hope the link works

McGruber
15-05-2022, 09:59 AM
And Johnson won the EFL trophy with Sunderland. A team with one of, if not the largest budget involved.

Think JDT getting Malmo to the Champions League group stage after winning four qualifying rounds is quite impressive.

The remit of Sunderland manager is promotion in that league the cup is neither here or there. Ross lost in the play off final, Johnson never reached the play offs, both failed there

Sioux
15-05-2022, 10:02 AM
You honestly believe that?

I think either of them would work wonders, and I’d be fully confident they’d get the absolute best out of any squad they worked with.

Imagine being a Hibs player when either of them gets announced as manager. You don’t think they would get an immediate bounce?

I think you’re just trying to have a cheap dig and don’t believe what you said for a second!

You're seriously analysing what P & K might achieve. Really? On terms of getting the best out of the players, you can't turn squirrel poo into caviar.

You seem to want a big name no matter what. I've said it before and I'll say it again. We're not going to get a big name, at least not in the 'top of the barrel' criteria you're hell bent on. Can't you get your head round that?

Going on and on and on about the same thing every day gets you nowhere, and like every other manager, there's a 90% chance he'll be sacked within 2 years or so, and branded as yet another failure.

JimBHibees
15-05-2022, 10:04 AM
The remit of Sunderland manager is promotion in that league the cup is neither here or there. Ross lost in the play off final, Johnson never reached the play offs, both failed there

He was third when he was punted though so fair assumption to say they would have made them too.

stantonhibby
15-05-2022, 10:06 AM
The remit of Sunderland manager is promotion in that league the cup is neither here or there. Ross lost in the play off final, Johnson never reached the play offs, both failed there

Johnson was sacked when they were 3rd so no idea where they would have finished.

Unseen work
15-05-2022, 10:16 AM
Am I the only one not convinced by JDT?

Sure a big name and a great playing pedigree but I’m not seeing anything in his managerial career that suggests he’d be a roaring success at Hibs. Malmo winning the league is expected and doesn’t sound like he did it at a canter. He also has no experience of the Scottish game.

A lot of people saying we need to send a message to the Board that we need to get this appointment spot on, JDT feels too much like a gamble to me. Johnson has a lot more and more relevant experience than JDT and whilst he wouldn’t be my first choice feels a better option of the 2 for me.

This is where I’m at.

It sounds exciting but I’m not sure how good a job he done at Malmo and what the fans thought of him. Winning the league twice obviously sounds good but they’ll have the biggest budget and expect to do that, I’m not sure how much competition they’ll have.

The other two clubs he was at is a bit of a concern due to the short time he was with them but he was young then so has maybe improved.

The one about knowing Scottish football is another good point, it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be good but would mean he’d come in not knowing anything at all about our squad and opponents. He would then want a bigger say in transfers you’d imagine and not want random signings from England.

As long as the board appoint who they genuinely think is the best man for the job.

I don’t get some calling for us to appoint someone who will sell season tickets. JDT might sell more initially due to what he done as a PLAYER but in a month or two we might think he’s rubbish. Alternatively Johnson might sell less but in a month people think we look really good, we’re getting good results and the fans come back in their numbers.

Cardinal G
15-05-2022, 10:22 AM
Johnson was sacked when they were 3rd so no idea where they would have finished.

I'm confident the way they were playing when he left that it would have been outside the playoff spots.

GreenNWhiteArmy
15-05-2022, 10:45 AM
Michael O'Neil is at the game...

JimBHibees
15-05-2022, 10:49 AM
Michael O'Neil is at the game...

2 games on the bounce. Wouldn't altogether rule him out yet though likely looking at Porto

Smartie
15-05-2022, 10:50 AM
Is JDT’s experience not at a much higher level than ours, whereas Johnson has spent his entire career as a player and manager grubbing around trying to get the better of teams at either our level or one roughly equivalent?

Therefore, is that experience not arguably more valuable?

J-C
15-05-2022, 10:52 AM
Is JDT’s experience not at a much higher level than ours, whereas Johnson has spent his entire career as a player and manager grubbing around trying to get the better of teams at either our level or one roughly equivalent?

Therefore, is that experience not arguably more valuable?

Not if Ron wants to take Hibs to that higher level than where they are, only way to do that is by a better coach and more investment.

timewilltell
15-05-2022, 10:55 AM
Michael O'Neil is at the game...

Hope he's in the frame.

jeffers
15-05-2022, 10:59 AM
Hope he's in the frame.

Tam saying on Hibs TV there to look at Porto.

easty
15-05-2022, 11:03 AM
An exciting/big name isn’t important at all for me. The managers who’ve finished 3rd the last 3 years are Robbie Neilson, Jack Ross and Stephen Robinson.

Nowt exciting about any of them.

I’m more worried about the recruitment than the new manager to be honest.

Swedish hibee
15-05-2022, 11:23 AM
A Johnstone Paint trophy vs 2x Swedish League titles and Champions League experience 🤔

Hey don't diss the Swedish league! Graham potter learnt there!

Helensburghhibs
15-05-2022, 11:26 AM
I wonder if callum Davidson was ever considered. Amazing how 1 poor season can overshadow all his good work in previous years

Montford
15-05-2022, 11:28 AM
Would you be surprised to hear Lee Johnson get appointed to Kilmarnock or Motherwell if they were looking for a manager.
Nope absolutely not.
That’s where we are at…

Would you fancy Celtic or Rangers playing in Malmo and getting a victory
Nope
That’s the potential we should be aiming for..

Turkish Green
15-05-2022, 11:34 AM
Hey don't diss the Swedish league! Graham potter learnt there!

I loved Phoenix Nights.

JohnM1875
15-05-2022, 11:50 AM
Tam saying on Hibs TV there to look at Porto.

No danger they'll be making a bid based on today's performance then.

JamesHFC
15-05-2022, 11:57 AM
Michael O'Neil is at the game...

Saw him in the New Town the other day on crutches.

Crab apple
15-05-2022, 12:30 PM
Saw him in the New Town the other day on crutches.

That's him just left.

Gordy M
15-05-2022, 12:52 PM
Saw him in the New Town the other day on crutches.

Was Lee Johnson at the game? I know you said earlier in the week he would be? TV was trying to show him, but showed Ian Gordon instead:greengrin

Turkish Green
15-05-2022, 12:55 PM
Michael O'Neil is at the game...

Who else of note was there?

SlickShoes
15-05-2022, 12:56 PM
Was Lee Johnson at the game? I know you said earlier in the week he would be? TV was trying to show him, but showed Ian Gordon instead:greengrin

Apparently folk were circulating pictures of Johnson on Twitter and it was in fact just Ian Gordon

number9dream
15-05-2022, 12:57 PM
2 games on the bounce. Wouldn't altogether rule him out yet though likely looking at Porto

More likely Harry Clarke, no? A far superior player.

andrew70
15-05-2022, 12:59 PM
More likely Harry Clarke, no? A far superior player.

A far superior player, behave 😂😂😂 Two very good players in their own right. Porto needs to get out. He’ll go to the top.

Lago
15-05-2022, 01:00 PM
Give Johnson and JDT 45 minutes each today and see who does the best.
Michael Stewart doesn't see what either of them has that is attractive to hibs

Lago
15-05-2022, 01:01 PM
Thing is, he’d have to do well. If he comes here and is crap then teams won’t be jumping at the chance to pay us compensation to take him off us.

If he does well and is away in a year then so be it, I’d rather that than him not do well.
But if he doesn't?

WhileTheChief..
15-05-2022, 01:04 PM
You're seriously analysing what P & K might achieve. Really? On terms of getting the best out of the players, you can't turn squirrel poo into caviar.

You seem to want a big name no matter what. I've said it before and I'll say it again. We're not going to get a big name, at least not in the 'top of the barrel' criteria you're hell bent on. Can't you get your head round that?

Going on and on and on about the same thing every day gets you nowhere, and like every other manager, there's a 90% chance he'll be sacked within 2 years or so, and branded as yet another failure.

I'm not fussed about a 'big name'.

I've been consistent for ages about the type of person i'd like to see.

JamesHFC
15-05-2022, 01:05 PM
Was Lee Johnson at the game? I know you said earlier in the week he would be? TV was trying to show him, but showed Ian Gordon instead:greengrin

He’s supposed to be in Edinburgh, club probably trying to keep it under wraps until announcement.

WhileTheChief..
15-05-2022, 01:12 PM
Just a thought, not trolling or being deliberately negative, but is it maybe possible that things are taking longer than expected because we just can't get who we want?

We've been assuming we're just being diligent and taking our time. Maybe we've approached a few who aren't interested at all? Maybe the club aren't entirely sure who they really want?

As I say, just wondering, not blaming anyone or anything and not frothing at the mouth.

SlickShoes
15-05-2022, 01:20 PM
Just a thought, not trolling or being deliberately negative, but is it maybe possible that things are taking longer than expected because we just can't get who we want?

We've been assuming we're just being diligent and taking our time. Maybe we've approached a few who aren't interested at all? Maybe the club aren't entirely sure who they really want?

As I say, just wondering, not blaming anyone or anything and not frothing at the mouth.

That process would have completed a while ago, there will always be people who we can’t attract, but you don’t invite those to interviews.

Golden Bear
15-05-2022, 01:28 PM
We were told that Sir David would be in charge of the team until the end of the season so I wasn't expecting any news on the new Manager. In any case, I'd rather that all options are being explored rather than the Club being pressurised into a hasty decision.

Jones28
15-05-2022, 01:30 PM
We were told that Sir David would be in charge of the team until the end of the season so I wasn't expecting any news on the new Manager. In any case, I'd rather that all options are being explored rather than the Club being pressurised into a hasty decision.

This for me. If we hadn’t been told SDG would be in charge until the end of the season early in the process we’d have legitimate concerns but this has been the plan from the club all along.

nonshinyfinish
15-05-2022, 01:41 PM
More likely Harry Clarke, no? A far superior player.He left shortly after Clarke went off, so that seems the most likely.

LunasBoots
15-05-2022, 01:55 PM
We were told that Sir David would be in charge of the team until the end of the season so I wasn't expecting any news on the new Manager. In any case, I'd rather that all options are being explored rather than the Club being pressurised into a hasty decision.

I get it but I'd rather the manager knew what he was working with and what areas need massive improvement

500miles
15-05-2022, 01:57 PM
He left shortly after Clarke went off, so that seems the most likely.

Clarke wasn't pulling up any trees today.

Eaststand
15-05-2022, 02:06 PM
Clarke wasn't pulling up any trees today.

Is that a pun, if so it's got me stumped


GGTTH

Hibiza
15-05-2022, 02:24 PM
Hopefully he'll be an Evergreen.

brydekirk
15-05-2022, 03:09 PM
No danger they'll be making a bid based on today's performance then.

Agreed

MWHIBBIES
15-05-2022, 03:12 PM
I wonder if callum Davidson was ever considered. Amazing how 1 poor season can overshadow all his good work in previous years

Hes managed for 2 seasons. Won 19 league matches out of 76. Dreadful manager.

Tambo
15-05-2022, 03:15 PM
Hes managed for 2 seasons. Won 19 league matches out of 76. Dreadful manager.

Yes indeed, would imagine he would face the bullet if the go down.

Hibernian Verse
15-05-2022, 03:28 PM
Yes indeed, would imagine he would face the bullet if the go down.

I think they’ll stick with him. Their squad was decimated last summer and the board haven’t really backed him.

Inconsequential
15-05-2022, 03:42 PM
Hes managed for 2 seasons. Won 19 league matches out of 76. Dreadful manager. Won two cups last season. Beating Hibs in a semi and a cup final iirc. Lost some of their best players like Hibs and both clubs had poor seasons.

Billy Whizz
15-05-2022, 04:58 PM
Michael Stewart doesn't see what either of them has that is attractive to hibs

I like Stewart, tells it straight.

Heisenberg
15-05-2022, 05:00 PM
Michael Stewart doesn't see what either of them has that is attractive to hibs

While also chirping up for his racist mate Malky to get the job because he got Ross County top six in a very poor league.

Lago
15-05-2022, 05:04 PM
I like Stewart, tells it straight.
Certainly gave it both barrels today while Co commentator on BBC Scotland.

Lago
15-05-2022, 05:05 PM
While also chirping up for his racist mate Malky to get the job because he got Ross County top six in a very poor league.
He did yes, along with everything else. Is that the only part of his observations you disagreed with

Billy Whizz
15-05-2022, 05:08 PM
Certainly gave it both barrels today while Co commentator on BBC Scotland.

I was at the game, will try and listen again later

Smartie
15-05-2022, 05:12 PM
I normally find it hard to argue with what Stewart has to say about Hibs. He can be complimentary when we deserve it and he can be ruthlessly and fiercely critical when we deserve it.

It's probably an uncomfortable truth that the best unattached manager out there at the moment is Jack Ross.

cameronw-hfc
15-05-2022, 05:19 PM
Patrick McPartlin confirming the JDT rumours are true and it's between him and Johnson...this is where I get excited.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/next-hibs-manager-appointment-could-be-made-this-week-as-lee-johnson-and-jon-dahl-tomasson-battle-for-top-job-3694707

Alex Trager
15-05-2022, 05:23 PM
Patrick McPartlin confirming the JDT rumours are true and it's between him and Johnson...this is where I get excited.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/next-hibs-manager-appointment-could-be-made-this-week-as-lee-johnson-and-jon-dahl-tomasson-battle-for-top-job-3694707

Mikey Stewart doesn’t see what they bring to the role though

Lago
15-05-2022, 05:26 PM
Mikey Stewart doesn’t see what they bring to the role though
No he doesn't and damning about Jack Ross being sacked.

JohnM1875
15-05-2022, 05:27 PM
I normally find it hard to argue with what Stewart has to say about Hibs. He can be complimentary when we deserve it and he can be ruthlessly and fiercely critical when we deserve it.

It's probably an uncomfortable truth that the best unattached manager out there at the moment is Jack Ross.

That's a stretch. What's Jack Ross won? Championship with St Mirren? Far better managers out there than Jack Ross.

Billy Whizz
15-05-2022, 05:28 PM
Mikey Stewart doesn’t see what they bring to the role though

Johnson doesn’t, I’m not too sure about JDT. Apart from his success at Malmo, he seems to prefer being an Assistant Manager

bigwheel
15-05-2022, 05:35 PM
That's a stretch. What's Jack Ross won? Championship with St Mirren? Far better managers out there than Jack Ross.

Care to name a few , as it looks like the Board are struggling to find them

JohnM1875
15-05-2022, 05:36 PM
Care to name a few , as it looks like the Board are struggling to find them

Jon Dahl Tomasson. Easy.

bigwheel
15-05-2022, 05:38 PM
Jon Dahl Tomasson. Easy.

Not sure has much of anything standing out in his CV tbh …any others ??

Alex Trager
15-05-2022, 05:39 PM
Johnson doesn’t, I’m not too sure about JDT. Apart from his success at Malmo, he seems to prefer being an Assistant Manager

Why would he apply for the job then?

I never heard MS tbh but it’s not a surprise to hear him promoting his tried and trusted

JohnM1875
15-05-2022, 05:39 PM
Not sure has much of anything standing out in his CV tbh …any others ??

Wow, not even going to bother if that's the case.

Alex Trager
15-05-2022, 05:40 PM
Not sure has much of anything standing out in his CV tbh …any others ??

What’s JR got on his CV? A championship win

bigwheel
15-05-2022, 05:40 PM
Wow, not even going to bother if that's the case.

So, no others then ..I see

tonyrougier123
15-05-2022, 05:40 PM
As Mikey Stewart is saying malky mackay would be a generally more reasonable approach for hibs right now.

I’m glad a pundit with a sensible point of view is saying this.

If chances were to be taken I’d like David unsworth to be considered.

bigwheel
15-05-2022, 05:41 PM
What’s JR got on his CV? A championship win

I wasn’t arguing for JR. Was genuinely interested in the names out there that are much better candidates

JohnM1875
15-05-2022, 05:41 PM
So, no others then ..I see

Just pointless trying if you think JDT has a **** CV and JR doesn't.

Alex Trager
15-05-2022, 05:41 PM
As Mikey Stewart is saying malky mackay would be a generally more reasonable approach for hibs right now.

I’m glad a pundit with a sensible point of view is saying this.

How would he be a more sensible decision?
He’d split the support in half straight away

Alex Trager
15-05-2022, 05:41 PM
I wasn’t arguing for JR. Was genuinely interested in the names out there that are much better candidates

I see

Bridge hibs
15-05-2022, 05:42 PM
So, no others then ..I seeHow many have been interviewed that you know of ?

cameronw-hfc
15-05-2022, 05:43 PM
Any pundit pushing the Malky crap has lost my respect.

tonyrougier123
15-05-2022, 05:44 PM
How would he be a more sensible decision?
He’d split the support in half straight away

Don’t care,any appointment is going to split the support,sacking Ross split the support,lee Johnson will split the support,JDT will split the support.

Hibs are a pretty split club right now.

tonyrougier123
15-05-2022, 05:47 PM
Any pundit pushing the Malky crap has lost my respect.

I’m sure mikey stewart will lose sleep over this😜

cameronw-hfc
15-05-2022, 05:47 PM
Don’t care,any appointment is going to split the support,sacking Ross split the support,lee Johnson will split the support,JDT will split the support.

Hibs are a pretty split club right now.


Difference is they split the support for football reasons. Makly splits the support for off field reasons. It would be an awful appointment morally and footballing.

bigwheel
15-05-2022, 05:48 PM
Just pointless trying if you think JDT has a **** CV and JR doesn't.

That’s just defensive posting ..Did not say he had a **** CV. Just meant it wasn’t glaring that he was a great candidate. He had two short stints before Malmo. Neither were successful .

Malmo was good ..but they are big dogs in their league ..so hard to know how much of that was him . But definite signs of potential . Bit nowhere near a sure thing , and who knows if he is even in the mix ..

So, was interested in the others ..as JDT looks like the best of the bunch , but that’s no saying much

JRs win ratio is better than JDT over more games (for example )

Brown Hibs
15-05-2022, 05:49 PM
Malky is a difficult one. He is clearly a top manager, way above what Ross County could normally attract. He would be a great Hibs manager. The problem is do we really want to be associated with all that baggage?

bigwheel
15-05-2022, 05:50 PM
How many have been interviewed that you know of ?

No idea ..not sure the relevance though - as I thought the poster had some good suggestions , and was interested..

JohnM1875
15-05-2022, 05:51 PM
That’s just defensive posting ..Did not say he had a **** CV. Just meant it wasn’t glaring that he was a great candidate. He had two short stints before Malmo. Neither were successful .

Malmo was good ..but they are big dogs in their league ..so hard to know how much of that was him . But definite signs of potential . Bit nowhere near a sure thing , and who knows if he is even in the mix ..

So, was interested in the others ..as JDT looks like the best of the bunch , but that’s no saying much

JRs win ratio is better than JDT over more games (for example )

Yeah ok fair enough, maybe jumped the gun so I apologise.

You could argue we have interviewed and, if you believe some stories, have offered contracts to two managers who on paper at least, have a better CV than JR.

tonyrougier123
15-05-2022, 05:55 PM
Difference is they split the support for football reasons. Makly splits the support for off field reasons. It would be an awful appointment morally and footballing.

Don’t think so.
Maybe for some,don’t think Easter road would be any more empty than it was today,and would soon fill up if we were on a good run and signing decent players.
Your opinion is yours,if you don’t go you don’t go.

bigwheel
15-05-2022, 05:57 PM
Yeah ok fair enough, maybe jumped the gun so I apologise.

You could argue we have interviewed and, if you believe some stories, have offered contracts to two managers who on paper at least, have a better CV than JR.

I don’t fancy Johnson, don’t think his CV is better - and JR comes across (and is spoken about) as a better coach . So that doesn’t seem to be taking us forward .

Appleton or JDT would be better I think. Might just be me , but none of them stand out from the crowd for me ..

Still don’t understand why we never went all out for Alex Neil last time . He would be stronger candidate than any of them .

There must be better options out there , but don’t seem to be in the mix this time around for some reason .

cameronw-hfc
15-05-2022, 05:57 PM
Don’t think so.
Maybe for some,don’t think Easter road would be any more empty than it was today,and would soon fill up if we were on a good run and signing decent players.
Your opinion is yours,if you don’t go you don’t go.

I disagree, if you split the fans over footballing reasons, making the right decision fixes all that. Start winning and we're golden.

You split them by hiring a racist, homophobic bigot? No amount of wins will bring certain fans back.

Lago
15-05-2022, 06:01 PM
Don’t think so.
Maybe for some,don’t think Easter road would be any more empty than it was today,and would soon fill up if we were on a good run and signing decent players.
Your opinion is yours,if you don’t go you don’t go.
Agree

Bridge hibs
15-05-2022, 06:01 PM
No idea ..not sure the relevance though - as I thought the poster had some good suggestions , and was interested..

You asked the poster about better candidates, everything has been guesswork or press stuff and again a post further up stating its between Johnson and JDT. There may have been many who had shown an interest but for one reason or another they or hibs have not pursued this further, none of us know or may never know so its press stuff or gossip

Im sure you will agree though, whatever the choice it has to be right and hopefully one that will unite our support, that will take some doing and even some time after this **** up of a season

Smartie
15-05-2022, 06:02 PM
On purely football terms you can't argue against McKay, although I simply don't think you can just ignore how divisive his appointment would be, rightly or wrongly, due to those past comments.

JohnM1875
15-05-2022, 06:02 PM
I don’t fancy Johnson, don’t think his CV is better - and JR comes across (and is spoken about) as a better coach . So that doesn’t seem to be taking us forward .

Appleton or JDT would be better I think. Might just be me , but none of them stand out from the crowd for me ..

Still don’t understand why we never went all out for Alex Neil last time . He would be stronger candidate than any of them .

There must be better options out there , but don’t seem to be in the mix this time around for some reason .

I actually 100% agree about Johnson, really hope it isn't him. Just don't think he has a bad CV.

bigwheel
15-05-2022, 06:06 PM
You asked the poster about better candidates, everything has been guesswork or press stuff and again a post further up stating its between Johnson and JDT. There may have been many who had shown an interest but for one reason or another they or hibs have not pursued this further, none of us know or may never know so its press stuff or gossip

Im sure you will agree though, whatever the choice it has to be right and hopefully one that will unite our support, that will take some doing and even some time after this **** up of a season

I just want one that will win more games and get us up the league and back into Europe. That will unite fans .

Harpandcastle
15-05-2022, 06:13 PM
Don’t think so.
Maybe for some,don’t think Easter road would be any more empty than it was today,and would soon fill up if we were on a good run and signing decent players.
Your opinion is yours,if you don’t go you don’t go.

100%

If individuals make a choice not to watch Hibs so be it. Results on the park would have their place filled very quickly. I hoped for Mackay from the minute Maloney was sacked as I think he’s the obvious standout candidate to take us forward.

HFC93
15-05-2022, 06:17 PM
Jon Dahl Tomasson would be an outstanding appointment and exactly the kick up the arse the club needs. Please do the right thing Hibs.

rabcp1
15-05-2022, 06:32 PM
That’s just defensive posting ..Did not say he had a **** CV. Just meant it wasn’t glaring that he was a great candidate. He had two short stints before Malmo. Neither were successful .

Malmo was good ..but they are big dogs in their league ..so hard to know how much of that was him . But definite signs of potential . Bit nowhere near a sure thing , and who knows if he is even in the mix ..

I’ve seen a number of posts stating that JDT had failed at his first two posts and this simply isn’t correct. In JDT’s first post at Excelsior in 25 games he won 10, drew 9 before joining Roda JC which was a disaster winning 3/17 games and ultimately resulted in him getting sacked. He then joined Vitesse as assistant to Peter Bosz who has gone to manage at Ajax, Leverkusen and Lyon. I’m amazed that someone like JDT is interested in us and IMO the board should do everything in the power to get him as realistically he should be out of our league

Mr. Wonderful
15-05-2022, 06:33 PM
Love how when Mcpartlin says it its true but when Burns says it he's talking ***** again.

Burns has a very good record with hibs info, he's been a sensationalist when it comes to transfers but when it comes to info like this he's normally on the money

tonyrougier123
15-05-2022, 06:35 PM
100%

If individuals make a choice not to watch Hibs so be it. Results on the park would have their place filled very quickly. I hoped for Mackay from the minute Maloney was sacked as I think he’s the obvious standout candidate to take us forward.

He is the obvious stand out.
But we are about to overthink it,like the recruitment side.
There doesn’t seem to be many football minds brainstorming the big decisions that’s the saddest part of our club just now.

I mean what are we looking for a manager who will agree to a committee approach to signing players?

If we just appoint a good football manager we wouldn’t need a committee,beggars belief how over complicated things have become at hibs.

How about a scout report a manager and a wee drop tech support to make these decisions?

Deary me 🤦*♂️

Callum_62
15-05-2022, 06:36 PM
He is the obvious stand out.
But we are about to overthink it,like the recruitment side.
There doesn’t seem to be many football minds brainstorming the big decisions that’s the saddest part of our club just now.

I mean what are we looking for a manager who will agree to a committee approach to signing players?

If we just appoint a good football manager we wouldn’t need a committee,beggars belief how over complicated things have become at hibs.

How about a scout report a manager and a wee drop tech support to make these decisions?

Deary me [emoji1751]*[emoji3603]Do other clubs operate on a manager just knows and decides on everyone they sign?

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bigwheel
15-05-2022, 06:37 PM
I’ve seen a number of posts stating that JDT had failed at his first two posts and this simply isn’t correct. In JDT’s first post at Excelsior in 25 games he won 10, drew 9 and finished 3rd in the league, he then won the playoffs and promotion to the Eredivise. He then joined Rosa JC which was a disaster winning 3/17 games and ultimately resulted in him getting sacked. He then joined Vitesse as assistant to Peter Bosz who has gone to manage at Ajax, Leverkusen and Lyon. I’m amazed that someone like JDT is interested in us and IMO the board should do everything in the power to get him as realistically he should be out of our league

Wouldn’t say a 40 percent win rate was successful..and his failure after that didn’t set a great foundation…that said it wasn’t a poor first gig either . it would indeed be an exciting appointment - and would certainly bring back some high hopes to the club …

tonyrougier123
15-05-2022, 06:37 PM
Do other clubs operate on a manager just knows and decides on everyone they sign?

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How do I know?

cameronw-hfc
15-05-2022, 06:37 PM
Love how when Mcpartlin says it its true but when Burns says it he's talking ***** again.

Burns has a very good record with hibs info, he's been a sensationalist when it comes to transfers but when it comes to info like this he's normally on the money


And Patrick doesn't have any past for being sensationalist and tends to be the one that confirms Hibs news rather than breaks it.

LeithMike
15-05-2022, 06:39 PM
I think Mikey Stewart wasn't so much commenting on JDT but on Johnson and Appleton and how Hibs seemed to have focused on English lower leagues but the names being mentioned not having done anything out the ordinary. Can't see how he's wrong on that.

He did big up Malky Mackay as the outstanding candidate but that was only after he commented on Derek McInnes being ruled out.

MM is a difficult one as there are wider issues but I think Mikey Stewart was implying that Derek McInnes was a no brainer and that there are probably problems in the structure of the club if Johnson and Appleton are seen as better options. Again, that all seems fair comment.

JDT is a bit of a curve ball. Its a bit of a risk but I can see the appeal, particularly ahead of the other candidates being mentioned. Personally though I'd want to go and get McInnes and put in place the infrastructure he wants. The fact we don't seem to be doing that suggests to me the club are looking for a "coach" with others at the club wanting to take charge of recruitment. That worries me no matter who gets appointed out for the names being banded about.

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Callum_62
15-05-2022, 07:16 PM
How do I know?So why do you think hibs are over complicating things?

I doubt there's many clubs who let 1 man decide everything when it comes to transfers

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MWHIBBIES
15-05-2022, 07:22 PM
Judging managers purely on win ratio, especially when you've no idea of the circumstances is just dumb. Really dumb. I mean that of all candidates as well.

J-C
15-05-2022, 07:28 PM
That’s just defensive posting ..Did not say he had a **** CV. Just meant it wasn’t glaring that he was a great candidate. He had two short stints before Malmo. Neither were successful .

Malmo was good ..but they are big dogs in their league ..so hard to know how much of that was him . But definite signs of potential . Bit nowhere near a sure thing , and who knows if he is even in the mix ..

So, was interested in the others ..as JDT looks like the best of the bunch , but that’s no saying much

JRs win ratio is better than JDT over more games (for example )


Excelsior P25 W10 D9 L6 win% 40.00 isn't too bad, his stint at Roda wasn't great but his 2 seasons at Malmo are good indeed P93 W52 D21 L20 %55.91

bigwheel
15-05-2022, 07:29 PM
Judging managers purely on win ratio, especially when you've no idea of the circumstances is just dumb. Really dumb. I mean that of all candidates as well.

Nobody will do that , everyone will know there are a range of factors and context impacting win ratios for managers....equally no one will do that level of analysis for chat on a football forum.

It’s one of the few common ratios that you can use ..that’s why it is referenced as a point of discussion.

Callum_62
15-05-2022, 07:30 PM
Not sure if this is for this thread or where it fits in

David Gray

"You can see with the names being linked to the club, it's a great opportunity for any manager to inherit a good squad of players. I'm sure they'll have their own ideas about how they want to add to that but the infrastructure is here for it to be really successful.

"I've been at the club for eight years and it's been really positive. The club has an owner that's very generous, that wants the club to do well. They're going to take their time to make sure they make the right appointment.

"My future will get sorted out once the manager is in place. If he wants me to be part of it, I'd love to do that because I really enjoy working for the club. I'm in a privileged position and I really care about it."



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SteveHFC
15-05-2022, 07:36 PM
JDT or we riot.

1620
15-05-2022, 07:53 PM
100%

If individuals make a choice not to watch Hibs so be it. Results on the park would have their place filled very quickly. I hoped for Mackay from the minute Maloney was sacked as I think he’s the obvious standout candidate to take us forward.

I wondered if perhaps the club went quiet on MM deliberately whilst he was trying his best to steer Ross County to a European place. Now that is done and dusted will he come back into serious contention?

Callum_62
15-05-2022, 07:56 PM
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/next-hibs-manager-appointment-could-be-made-this-week-as-lee-johnson-and-jon-dahl-tomasson-battle-for-top-job-3694707

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davhibby
15-05-2022, 07:59 PM
He is the obvious stand out.
But we are about to overthink it,like the recruitment side.
There doesn’t seem to be many football minds brainstorming the big decisions that’s the saddest part of our club just now.

I mean what are we looking for a manager who will agree to a committee approach to signing players?

If we just appoint a good football manager we wouldn’t need a committee,beggars belief how over complicated things have become at hibs.

How about a scout report a manager and a wee drop tech support to make these decisions?

Deary me 🤦*♂️

Even if he didn’t have the personal issues that make him unsuitable for Hibs (or really any club), Mackay wouldn’t be someone I’d say we should be interested in, and certainly isn’t the obvious stand out. He’s done decent in an awful league this season and collapsed post split. Graham Alexander finished ahead of him, and he’s an awful manager

Iain G
15-05-2022, 08:00 PM
I just don't think having a manager named Malky in charge is Hibs class

GreenCastle
15-05-2022, 08:04 PM
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/next-hibs-manager-appointment-could-be-made-this-week-as-lee-johnson-and-jon-dahl-tomasson-battle-for-top-job-3694707

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So down to last 2 options..

Thought it would be sorted by tomorrow.

Anyone know when board meeting is ?

jacomo
15-05-2022, 08:09 PM
On purely football terms you can't argue against McKay, although I simply don't think you can just ignore how divisive his appointment would be, rightly or wrongly, due to those past comments.


Just don’t fancy him as a manager full stop.

tonyrougier123
15-05-2022, 08:25 PM
Even if he didn’t have the personal issues that make him unsuitable for Hibs (or really any club), Mackay wouldn’t be someone I’d say we should be interested in, and certainly isn’t the obvious stand out. He’s done decent in an awful league this season and collapsed post split. Graham Alexander finished ahead of him, and he’s an awful manager

Taking a manager who’s took something from nothing to something I can see what a class job he’s done.
Trying to justify win ratios of sacked managers mmmmm🤔

CapitalGreen
15-05-2022, 08:28 PM
Taking a manager who’s took something from nothing to something I can see what a class job he’s done.
Trying to justify win ratios of sacked managers mmmmm🤔

What’s the something he’s taken them too?

King Cosell
15-05-2022, 08:29 PM
Judging managers purely on win ratio, especially when you've no idea of the circumstances is just dumb. Really dumb. I mean that of all candidates as well.

Really, really dumb. Vieira, Potter & Frank have had excellent seasons at Palace, Brighton & Brentford and they've got 34 league wins between them in 110 games. Roughly a 30% win ratio.

GreenNWhiteArmy
15-05-2022, 08:35 PM
I wanted OGS. But JDT is in a similar mould in terms of stature and feel good factor he'd bring

The club clearly made a **** of it with the SM appointment. But I think TG ambition for the club is to be punching much closer to the top two than the bottom two. Very excited at the prospect of JDT

tonyrougier123
15-05-2022, 08:37 PM
What’s the something he’s taken them too?

A team with probably the lowest budget and finished with more prize money than half the league.
having the leagues joint top goal scorer Charles-cook helped him get a something move pretty soon.

Callum_62
15-05-2022, 08:37 PM
What’s the something he’s taken them too?Finishing with 2 points more than they did last year? [emoji44]

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Hermit Crab
15-05-2022, 08:42 PM
If we get JDT in we can give Hearts a proper pasting next season.


Aye, only if he brings in quality because the current lot couldn't paste a bit of wallpaper.

CapitalGreen
15-05-2022, 08:52 PM
A team with probably the lowest budget and finished with more prize money than half the league.
having the leagues joint top goal scorer Charles-cook helped him get a something move pretty soon.

They have had much better seasons in recent years under Derek Adams and Jim McIntyre, surely we should be considering both of them ahead of MacKay no?

tonyrougier123
15-05-2022, 08:53 PM
They have had much better seasons in recent years under Derek Adams and Jim McIntyre, surely we should be considering both of them ahead of MacKay no?

Recent years?
This no mackay first full season?and on a shoe string turned them around.
Laughable you trying to down play his achievements this season.

CapitalGreen
15-05-2022, 08:56 PM
Recent years?

Derek Adams 5th place with 53 points - 12 more than MacKay achieved this season. It was Ross County’s very first season in the top flight and on a smaller budget than they are now.

Jim McIntyre - 6th place with 48 points and won the league cup.

Would you want us to appoint either of them?

Ross County’s average points per season over the 9 seasons they have been in the top flight is 41 points. This season they got 41 points. It’s not been an amazing season for them, it has been a fairly average season points wise compared to their previous campaigns. Recency bias makes people think it’s been a better season because the majority of their good results have occurred in the second half of the season.

IberianHibernian
15-05-2022, 08:58 PM
They have had much better seasons in recent years under Derek Adams and Jim McIntyre, surely we should be considering both of them ahead of MacKay no?Good point . Before this season , any qualification for Europe was considered a success for us but this season with 4th to 10th all equally bad , it`s just been a lottery and I don`t see Ross County`s season as being anything special . If we`d had a normal season of injuries we`d have been a clear 4th or better preparing next season with maloney instead of 8th and looking at managers who`re probably no better and possibly worse than Ross or Maloney .

GreenGray
15-05-2022, 09:05 PM
He did yes, along with everything else. Is that the only part of his observations you disagreed with

I disagreed with him when he said “hibs need to appoint a manager who will boost season ticket sales” then few seconds later said that Malky Mackay should be top of our list, who would actually do the opposite.

Stewart talks ***** and loves the sound of his own voice, not sure he actually thinks before he opens his mouth.


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tonyrougier123
15-05-2022, 09:11 PM
Derek Adams 5th place with 53 points - 12 more than MacKay achieved this season.

Jim McIntyre - 6th place with 48 points and won the league cup.

Would you want us to appoint either of them?

As I said it’s mackays first full season and impressive one.

And no i don’t want adams or mcintyre to be appointed.
And they probably won’t be,so irrelevant to the discussion I feel.

But adams done a very good job with county was lauded at the time,and im pretty sure mcintyre done well at first.

Mackay has managed at a very high level and done well,has took very little time in turning the tide for county after a shaky start to the season.

I like to think I can spot a good gaffer or player and for me mackay is one.

He’s served his penance for his discretions and I feel he deserves a shot at glory again,I’d like us to consider him.

WhileTheChief..
15-05-2022, 09:14 PM
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/next-hibs-manager-appointment-could-be-made-this-week-as-lee-johnson-and-jon-dahl-tomasson-battle-for-top-job-3694707

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JDT…a reason why he’s interested…

He told TV 2 SPORT: “It must be the right project. It doesn’t have to be a top team; if the project is interesting and the club is going in an interesting direction, it can also be really, really exciting."

Callum_62
15-05-2022, 09:17 PM
JDT…a reason why he’s interested…

He told TV 2 SPORT: “It must be the right project. It doesn’t have to be a top team; if the project is interesting and the club is going in an interesting direction, it can also be really, really exciting."

Certainly a point of note if he actually takes the job

#2 Double Tap
15-05-2022, 11:14 PM
Certainly a point of note if he actually takes the job

https://sport-tv2-dk.translate.goog/fodbold/2022-04-12-jon-dahl-staar-stadig-uden-job-men-det-er-helt-efter-planen?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

thats the link, from 12th april this year, where they got the quote from.

Callum_62
15-05-2022, 11:17 PM
https://sport-tv2-dk.translate.goog/fodbold/2022-04-12-jon-dahl-staar-stadig-uden-job-men-det-er-helt-efter-planen?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

thats the link, from 12th april this year, where they got the quote from.Interesting read

My point is though if he takes the hibs job it points to the strategic plan for the club as being one he sees as worthwhile

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#2 Double Tap
15-05-2022, 11:22 PM
Interesting read

My point is though if he takes the hibs job it points to the strategic plan for the club as being one he sees as worthwhile

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sure would confuse a few mutants over the other side of the city

SlickShoes
16-05-2022, 07:33 AM
Happy Malky Monday everyone

I'm Spartacus
16-05-2022, 07:40 AM
Happy Malky Monday everyone

Imagine being in a helicopter in this weather :(

JimBHibees
16-05-2022, 07:50 AM
Happy Malky Monday everyone

Hope not

Paulie Walnuts
16-05-2022, 07:51 AM
I see Goodwins win percentage is now down to 16.7%.

Thank **** we didn’t go for him or we’d probably be looking at the Championship next season.

JimBHibees
16-05-2022, 07:53 AM
I see Goodwins win percentage is now down to 16.7%.

Thank **** we didn’t go for him.

Agree totally

Smartie
16-05-2022, 08:04 AM
I see Goodwins win percentage is now down to 16.7%.

Thank **** we didn’t go for him or we’d probably be looking at the Championship next season.

Is that % because he's a pish manager or because he got involved part way through a mess at Aberdeen before the season had finished?

I don't mind Goodwin, would have quite liked him at Hibs, but surely he can only really be judged next season?

FWIW I don't think it necessarily did SDG any statistical favours having to inherit that squad from Maloney, albeit playing games against the bottom 6 probably worked in his favour.

Waxy
16-05-2022, 08:09 AM
I see Goodwins win percentage is now down to 16.7%.

Thank **** we didn’t go for him or we’d probably be looking at the Championship next season.

Are the sheeplings going to empty him now or risk relegation next season?

Paulie Walnuts
16-05-2022, 08:09 AM
Is that % because he's a pish manager or because he got involved part way through a mess at Aberdeen before the season had finished?

I don't mind Goodwin, would have quite liked him at Hibs, but surely he can only really be judged next season?

FWIW I don't think it necessarily did SDG any statistical favours having to inherit that squad from Maloney, albeit playing games against the bottom 6 probably worked in his favour.

Probably an element of both but you don’t get a win percentage like that with the 3rd most expensive squad in the league if you’re not doing a pish job imo, especially when the majority of your games have been against bottom six sides.

Maloneys win percentage was 31.6% for comparison. He also lost by a mile our best player after a couple of games and I think it’s safe to say Maloney didn’t do a good job yet I’d argue he had even more difficult circumstances to contend with.

SlickShoes
16-05-2022, 08:15 AM
Imagine being in a helicopter in this weather :(

I can still remember watching that Duffy news report as a kid, iconic.

CL0762
16-05-2022, 08:18 AM
I see Goodwins win percentage is now down to 16.7%.

Thank **** we didn’t go for him or we’d probably be looking at the Championship next season.

Maybe it’s just me but I do not understand the hype around Goodwin at all.

Agree with you, very glad he’s not our manager.

blackpoolhibs
16-05-2022, 08:19 AM
Malky is a difficult one. He is clearly a top manager, way above what Ross County could normally attract. He would be a great Hibs manager. The problem is do we really want to be associated with all that baggage?
Wouldnt bother me, everyone deserves a second chance, and as you say he's clearly a decent manager and one i believe would make us much better.

I'm Spartacus
16-05-2022, 08:26 AM
Is that % because he's a pish manager or because he got involved part way through a mess at Aberdeen before the season had finished?

I don't mind Goodwin, would have quite liked him at Hibs, but surely he can only really be judged next season?

FWIW I don't think it necessarily did SDG any statistical favours having to inherit that squad from Maloney, albeit playing games against the bottom 6 probably worked in his favour.

Jim Goodwin had a 32% win rate at St Mirren, he shouldn't be anywhere near the Aberdeen job.

Derek McInnes had a 53% win rate at Aberdeen and currently has a 53% win rate at Kilmarnock.

If we can afford a manager with a 50%+ win rate then we should get him. If we don't get McInnes then Kilmarnock could be the team to keep us out the top 6 next season.

Big Ange 70%
GVB 69%
Robbie Neilson 56%
Tam Courts 38%
Alexander 40%
Malky 28%

jacomo
16-05-2022, 08:34 AM
Jim Goodwin had a 32% win rate at St Mirren, he shouldn't be anywhere near the Aberdeen job.

Derek McInnes had a 53% win rate at Aberdeen and currently has a 53% win rate at Kilmarnock.

If we can afford a manager with a 50%+ win rate then we should get him. If we don't get McInnes then Kilmarnock could be the team to keep us out the top 6 next season.

Big Ange 70%
GVB 69%
Robbie Neilson 56%
Tam Courts 38%
Alexander 40%
Malky 28%


I quite like McInnes but I’m not sure about him for the Hibs job.

Similar approach to Jack… austere, Church of Scotland football :greengrin

I think we need a different approach. Maloney was the wrong choice but no doubt he talked a good game. The ambition is right… a manager who will trust in talent and bring some excitement back to ER.

I don’t think we should go back, but in terms of footballing philosophy I’d prefer Mowbray to McInnes.

Callum_62
16-05-2022, 08:36 AM
Would folk prefer Malky over JDT?

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I'm Spartacus
16-05-2022, 08:39 AM
I quite like McInnes but I’m not sure about him for the Hibs job.

Similar approach to Jack… austere, Church of Scotland football :greengrin

I think we need a different approach. Maloney was the wrong choice but no doubt he talked a good game. The ambition is right… a manager who will trust in talent and bring some excitement back to ER.

I don’t think we should go back, but in terms of footballing philosophy I’d prefer Mowbray to McInnes.

Haha I'll remember this with my hands over my face saying "Dear God" :)

Phil MaGlass
16-05-2022, 08:39 AM
I quite like McInnes but I’m not sure about him for the Hibs job.

Similar approach to Jack… austere, Church of Scotland football :greengrin

I think we need a different approach. Maloney was the wrong choice but no doubt he talked a good game. The ambition is right… a manager who will trust in talent and bring some excitement back to ER.

I don’t think we should go back, but in terms of footballing philosophy I’d prefer Mowbray to McInnes.

My Dons supporting mate doesnt know why we havent went for Mcinnes yet, really rates him.

Hibby Kay-Yay
16-05-2022, 08:39 AM
Good point . Before this season , any qualification for Europe was considered a success for us but this season with 4th to 10th all equally bad , it`s just been a lottery and I don`t see Ross County`s season as being anything special . If we`d had a normal season of injuries we`d have been a clear 4th or better preparing next season with maloney instead of 8th and looking at managers who`re probably no better and possibly worse than Ross or Maloney .

Hmm, comparing Maloney to either Johnstone or JDT is a stretch as they both have way more experience. Suggesting they are no better or worse is into a multiverse of wrong.

easty
16-05-2022, 09:01 AM
Would folk prefer Malky over JDT?

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I dinnae even see what Malky Mackay has done this season that justifies him being mentioned for the Hibs job?

They made top 6 because, other than the obvious top 2 and Hearts (who actually didn’t even do as well as we did last season in the end), the league was a shambles.

Ross County came 3rd bottom last season, this season they got 2 more points, but won a game less.

SlickShoes
16-05-2022, 09:10 AM
Would folk prefer Malky over JDT?

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No way.

Callum_62
16-05-2022, 09:10 AM
I dinnae even see what Malky Mackay has done this season that justifies him being mentioned for the Hibs job?

They made top 6 because, other than the obvious top 2 and Hearts (who actually didn’t even do as well as we did last season in the end), the league was a shambles.

Ross County came 3rd bottom last season, this season they got 2 more points, but won a game less.I agree 100 percent

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Greenworld
16-05-2022, 09:13 AM
I think jdt would be a very interesting appointment...
Would certainly open hibs to new markets for players from abroad.
This would be a step up in management quality requiring a similar step up in player recruitment quality.
Now we have signed Marshall thats a great start to the spine of team. 4 more top signings down the spine and you have the start of a rebuilding job
Sounds like the budget is going to be very good so exciting .


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Iain G
16-05-2022, 09:14 AM
My Dons supporting mate doesnt know why we havent went for Mcinnes yet, really rates him.

I just don't get it with McInnes, Sportsound bunch were waxing lyrical about him yesterday like he was the lovechild of Alex Ferguson and Johann Cruyff!

He won he haw at Aberdeen in how many years? Similar to Jack Ross, some kind of stability and the good cup runs but nothing converted into winning anything.

Dull and unimaginative and uninspiring.

SlickShoes
16-05-2022, 09:15 AM
I dinnae even see what Malky Mackay has done this season that justifies him being mentioned for the Hibs job?

They made top 6 because, other than the obvious top 2 and Hearts (who actually didn’t even do as well as we did last season in the end), the league was a shambles.

Ross County came 3rd bottom last season, this season they got 2 more points, but won a game less.

I agree completely and said this in multiple posts while everyone was arguing about his previous behaviour, while I don't want him because of the texts he sent, I also don't want him because I see nothing special about his team.

People came along and told me I was wrong, the basis for that seemed to be because they had an exciting 3-3 draw with Rangers, most of the season they looked very ordinary and sometimes just flat-out terrible.

MWHIBBIES
16-05-2022, 09:16 AM
I just don't get it with McInnes, Sportsound bunch were waxing lyrical about him yesterday like he was the lovechild of Alex Ferguson and Johann Cruyff!

He won he haw at Aberdeen in how many years? Similar to Jack Ross, some kind of stability and the good cup runs but nothing converted into winning anything.

Dull and unimaginative and uninspiring.

He won the league cup

Coco Bryce
16-05-2022, 09:26 AM
He won the league cup

Was that not right at the start? Probably not even his team ala John Collins :greengrin

GloryGlory
16-05-2022, 09:30 AM
Any chance of white smoke above ER today?

Iain G
16-05-2022, 09:33 AM
He won the league cup

Does that count? 🤣 My bad...

I still dont want him in charge of Hibs!

MrSmith
16-05-2022, 09:37 AM
Interesting times ahead for us. Happy with the two candidates on the list but for some reason I'd prefer JDT - can't explain - but would be happy with LJ too. I think success in this coming season will hinge upon our recruitment and we really do need to get that right this time. Doesn't have to be expensive players or big budgets just the right players in the right positions who can play a bit and show passion for our club.

Hibs90
16-05-2022, 09:40 AM
Would folk prefer Malky over JDT?

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Nah. As others have pointed out, their record isn't much better and only looks better because of Hibs and Aberdeen being crap.

Tambo
16-05-2022, 09:41 AM
Would love an announcement today so keep your eyes out for any teasers on Hibs Twitter.

Paulie Walnuts
16-05-2022, 09:41 AM
I dinnae even see what Malky Mackay has done this season that justifies him being mentioned for the Hibs job?

They made top 6 because, other than the obvious top 2 and Hearts (who actually didn’t even do as well as we did last season in the end), the league was a shambles.

Ross County came 3rd bottom last season, this season they got 2 more points, but won a game less.

:agree:

Throw in the fact he’s a ****bag and it an emphatic no from me.

Since452
16-05-2022, 09:51 AM
I'd be happy with Johnson or JDT. Quite happy to be honest. For me there's a bit of a risk/reward type scenario with JDT. Ron Gordon is a bit of risk taker so i can see it maybe going in his favour.

badabing67
16-05-2022, 10:11 AM
Off subject a bit but does anyone know when the Early Bird finishes for renewal.