Next Hibs Manager

[Lee Marvin]

Whilst he could turn out good, as others have said this appointment only intensifies the bad feeling and division in the club. He will get absolutely ZERO time from the fans (rightly or wrongly).

One thing is for sure, he MUST have a good start to next season. If he doesn't, thousands will likely be calling out RG and the board. It will not be pretty at all.

[Greencore]

Jamie McAllister can f*** off

[GreenGray]

Less of a gamble is just utterly depressing to hear. Feel for LJ cause feels like he’s walking into a poisoned chalice at this point, but good luck to him he’s got some job to turn this round.

Can’t imagine the 6,500 season tickets sold already will increase by much, sigh.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

I think that this bit could be a key part of it: "looking for someone to commit to a long-term project." Perhaps JDT was pretty open that he saw Hibs as a quick stepping stone to a job in England leaving the board in the position that they could be after a new manager next summer again?

Lee Johnson, having already built a profile in England doesn't need Hibs as much from that point of view so maybe he gave the board more assurances that (provided he is successful) he would be here for the longer term*.


*longer term being relative given that managers have an average job length of something ridiculous like 1.5 years.

It would worry me hugely if Hibs were concerned about appointing a manager who would have to be successful to get a move to England potentially making that move and not appointing them on that basis.

I know it’s just your thoughts so I’m not saying Hibs are doing that btw.

[j'adorehibs]

Got to give the guy a chance but this won’t sell more season tickets and fans like myself who were considering renewing maybe won’t.

Club had chance to appoint big name manager and they’ve let us down.

Maybe we aren’t the attractive proposition for a manager that we think we are.

Very disappointing if true.

fan yes but not a supporter then ?

[One Day Soon]

I’m actually quite excited by the appointment. JDT would have been interesting and I think everyone would have bought into it but majority of board members wanted Johnson. He impressed and his cv isn’t awful.

This is very much make or break though, if this appointment goes wrong then I think the people in charge will find it difficult to recover and they will see financial loss.

Let’s back Lee and get behind the team. We could be set to be part of an exciting chapter in Hibernian history.



The trouble with Committees - in this case the Board - is that when they make major decisions it has to be by consensus, which means lowest common denominator. Of course they've gone for the less risky option, that's what committees generally do. Less risk usually means less ambition I'm afraid. He could yet turn out to be exactly what we need. Let's see.

[Dmas]

And Johnson has never managed in Scotland and had the biggest budget at his previous club. He never managed to win the league.

Neither did the lord n saviour JR but everyone still pining after him

[CapitalGreen]

See you all in 6-12 months when we can rehash all the same conversations again as we debate who our next managerial appointment should be.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Less of a gamble is just utterly depressing to hear. Feel for LJ cause feels like he’s walking into a poisoned chalice at this point, but good luck to him he’s got some job to turn this round.

Can’t imagine the 6,500 season tickets sold already will increase by much, sigh.


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That is the real scunner for me. If Hibs have drip fed bits to the press and that is actually our reasoning for appointing him then that really is depressing.

Been binned from his last two jobs and has managed to avoid winning the league with by far the highest budget in his last role and he’s less of a gamble than someone who left his last job having won 2 titles in a row and got into and managed in the Champions League group stages.

[Johnny_Leith]

If it's him then it's interesting that Johnson has been the next manager but one after Ross at 2 different clubs.

Ross split the Sunderland support, his results had been better than a few of his predecessors but ultimately he didn't get the job done. Part of the criticism he took was of his pragmatic style, far too many draws and big game failures.

Johnson was considered to be a bit of an antidote to that, as someone with an attacking style.

Maybe we're going for him for the same reasons that Sunderland did?

All I took from your point is that we've a similar managerial appointment outlook and process as Sunderland, one of the biggest basket case clubs of recent years in England.

Worrying.

[Heisenberg]

Jamie McAllister can f*** off

Why?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Neither did the lord n saviour JR but everyone still pining after him

You’ll not find me wanting him back :greengrin

[j'adorehibs]

Jamie McAllister can f*** off

really? what if he turns out to be a fantastic no.2 well respected by the players - all this so called prior allegiance to other clubs especially heartz is ridiculous. its a job, they will want to do well.

[Willis1875]

See you all in 6-12 months when we can rehash all the same conversations again as we debate who our next managerial appointment should be.

It’ll be Alex Neil if this pattern continues

[mcfly]

[QUOTE=j'adorehibs;6964705]fan yes but not a supporter then ?[/QUOTe

Eh??

Lots of reasons Mon ami -

Affordability?

So cause I’ve less money makes me less of a fan.

Off you go 🙄🙄

[j'adorehibs]

Less of a gamble is just utterly depressing to hear. Feel for LJ cause feels like he’s walking into a poisoned chalice at this point, but good luck to him he’s got some job to turn this round.

Can’t imagine the 6,500 season tickets sold already will increase by much, sigh.


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maloney was a gamble - look how that turned out

[j'adorehibs]

[QUOTE=j'adorehibs;6964705]fan yes but not a supporter then ?[/QUOTe

Eh??

Lots of reasons Mon ami -

Affordability?

So cause I’ve less money makes me less of a fan.

Off you go ����

you said you were considering to renew but not now because of this appointment did you not? so if it had been someone else you'd have found the money?

[McGruber]

On the bright side, SDG will have another crack at caretaker by January

[Gordy M]

Think the board gambled with Maloney and that undoubtedly has had an effect here, if it is Johnson thats the next man in.

[CapitalGreen]

It’ll be Alex Neil if this pattern continues

Should have been Alex Neil last December.

[Johnny_Leith]

fan yes but not a supporter then ?

Exactly. Makes no sense to want and expect a successful Hibernian but choose not to purchase a season ticket for any reason out of understandable reasons such as personal finance/lack of time.

I've renewed already, had I not and LJ is appointed, I'd still renew because it's the best way to support the club, even though in all honesty I don't think LJ will work.

[Hibs90]

Whilst he could turn out good, as others have said this appointment only intensifies the bad feeling and division in the club. He will get absolutely ZERO time from the fans (rightly or wrongly).

One thing is for sure, he MUST have a good start to next season. If he doesn't, thousands will likely be calling out RG and the board. It will not be pretty at all.

Your first paragraph is spot on. This is the issue with this appointment. Or You get someone like JDT in, you have a bit of extra revenue generated instantly, the fans united again and the opportunity to build something, or you go for what’s seen as the less ‘risky’ option (which is even debateable in itself) and you keep the fans divided and the bad feeling between the club and support grows.

Absolutely reeks of club hierarchy trying to save their own skin rather than do what’s best for the club and fans. Zero ambition.

[Zambernardi1875]

maloney was a gamble - look how that turned out

20 games, 1 winter transfer window and most main players injured or sold. To then hound him out to get a diluted Jack Ross is insanity.

[flash]

[QUOTE=mcfly;6964721]

you said you were going to renew but not now because of this appointment did you not?

He did.

[G15 Hibs]

My excitement/expectations for previous Hibs managers (on appointment) can probably be ranked thus:

1. Lennon
2. Ross
3. Butcher
4. Hughes
5. Collins
6. Stubbs
7. Maloney
8. Fenlon
9. Paatelainen
10. Heckingbottom
11. Calderwood

If we appoint Johnson I'd maybe put him above Calderwood. Tomasson would probably go right at the top.

A lot of us, e.g. me, were delighted when we got Jim Duffy. Fans, essentially, know **** all.

[Willis1875]

Should have been Alex Neil last December.

He has to manage Sunderland 1st before Hibs become interested

[Nicho87]

Started off with

Roy Keane

Johnston mentioned complete killjoy

JDT name gets mentioned, played at highest level, decent managerial record

Hibs announce Johnston

So hibs

Do well to reach 10k season ticket holders

[McGruber]

maloney was a gamble - look how that turned out

LJ has a history of boom and bust football, the bust usually lasts a while. Both JR and Maloney never survived their first busts

[GreenGray]

People saying JDT was never a realistic option, If that was the case why we’re we hearing that the board were considering him and there was a choice between the two?

Also if there was a genuine choice between the two I think the club need to come out and say why they’ve gone with LJ because I’m struggling to see the reason.


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[RossScott1991]

Sunderland fans opinion of him makes for very grim reading.

[Smartie]

All I took from your point is that we've a similar managerial appointment outlook and process as Sunderland, one of the biggest basket case clubs of recent years in England.

Worrying.

I guess that is part of the point.

Maybe someone with his mixed (not awful) record is the best the club can attract, when they have diminishing season ticket sales, a transfer committee headed up by the owner's son and a generally disgruntled support?

Johnson was punted before he had properly failed at Sunderland - who knows, he might have got them up and started to turn around that basket case.

Maybe he'll get the time to succeed here?

I'm firmly in the "jury's out" camp - not totally sold on him, not totally against the idea either.

I'd rather have him and a bunch of good players than the world's best manager and a pile of duffers. It's the transfer activity that will convince me one way or the other.

[One Day Soon]

I had hoped our new managerial appointment would give us a bounce that would drive season ticket sales which would then fuel the budget for new players we so desperately need. It looks like that won't be the case, in fact the shockingly bad way the club has failed to manage expectations here means the new manager might even depress sales.

In that light the club/new manager is now going to need to make some quality player signings very quickly if they want to break the apathy and drive higher ticket sales. That means Ron Gordon putting his hand in his own pocket in order to speculate and hope that doing so will then accumulate in season tickets. That's NOT what his stated plan was at the outset...I think this is now an acid test of his intentions for the club.

[JXM73]

Confirmed or twatter panic?

[ahibby]

What sums it up for me is that if JDT hadn't been mentioned I'd probably have been okay, but now if this turns out to be fact then I'm a bit disappointed and apprehensive.

[Sergio sledge]

It would worry me hugely if Hibs were concerned about appointing a manager who would have to be successful to get a move to England potentially making that move and not appointing them on that basis.

I know it’s just your thoughts so I’m not saying Hibs are doing that btw.

Not if they want stability and to build something long term. We can't keep changing manager to do that.

It's a bit different IMHO to signing a player who might give us one good season and move on, with a manager we need them to be committed to longer than that. That's not to say that if they got massive success they wouldn't move on, but from the outset they need to be committed to the longer term at Hibs, not constantly having one eye on opportunities down south.

We've been stung with that in the past with Calderwood who clearly wasn't committed to being with us and was looking for a way out very quickly, remember the "bag of sweeties" comment?

[flash]

Your first paragraph is spot on. This is the issue with this appointment. Or You get someone like JDT in, you have a bit of extra revenue generated instantly, the fans united again and the opportunity to build something, or you go for what’s seen as the less ‘risky’ option (which is even debateable in itself) and you keep the fans divided and the bad feeling between the club and support grows.

Absolutely reeks of club hierarchy trying to save their own skin rather than do what’s best for the club and fans. Zero ambition.
Just utter drivel from start to finish.

The reaction of posters like yourself is actually making me warm to this appointment.

[Since452]

Johnson seen as less of a gamble than a manager who has won two division titles and managed Champions Legue group stage football. **** me, Hibs.

He won two leagues in a one horse race.

[McGruber]

Tuning out for now... scunnered

[Gordy M]

Sunderland fans opinion of him makes for very grim reading.

What would our opinions on Paul Heckingbottom look like.

[flash]

Tuning out for now... scunnered

The drama queen is strong in this one.

[Paulie Walnuts]

People saying JDT was never a realistic option, If that was the case why we’re we hearing that the board were considering him and there was a choice between the two?

Also if there was a genuine choice between the two I think the club need to come out and say why they’ve gone with LJ because I’m struggling to see the reason.


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Unless absolutely everything in the press so far has been utter nonsense then he was definitely a realistic option.

[JohnM1875]

Sunderland fans opinion of him makes for very grim reading.

Add Bristol City fans to that list as well. Where he spent millions upon millions of pounds.

[Moulin Yarns]

maloney was a gamble - look how that turned out

Mowbray was a gamble, Sauzee was a gamble, every manager will be a gamble.

Look at Celtc, Postecoglou was a gamble.

[Smartie]

What sums it up for me is that if JDT hadn't been mentioned I'd probably have been okay, but now if this turns out to be fact then I'm a bit disappointed and apprehensive.

The JDT stuff takes on a bit more significance now.

If this was stuff leaked by Hibs dicking about then it doesn't look good from them.

I suspect it has been mischief making by a jambo journalist and we shouldn't get ourselves into too much of a lather about it.

[Hibs90]

Just utter drivel from start to finish.

The reaction of posters like yourself is actually making me warm to this appointment.

Yawn. Entitled to my opinion just as much as you mr super fan.

[SHODAN]

A lot of us, e.g. me, were delighted when we got Jim Duffy. Fans, essentially, know **** all.

Absolutely, hence why Butcher was so high.

He has my full support until he doesn't. Probably after the home defeat to Hearts.

[Gordy M]

Add Bristol City fans to that list as well. Where he spent millions upon millions of pounds.

Was he not at Bristol for 4 seasons? Not exactly a failure if you are at a club that long these days?

[flash]

Add Bristol City fans to that list as well. Where he spent millions upon millions of pounds.

Anything else you can find to put us off him?

[flash]

Yawn. Entitled to my opinion just as much as you mr super fan.

Indeed you are. Interesting that being willing to give someone a chance makes you a "Super fan" nowadays.

[Moulin Yarns]

This all starts from a tweet from a radio presenter who is in seville. How does he get the scoop?

[Hibs90]

Indeed you are.

At least I’m being constructive, you’re just here without even giving an opinion and saying everything is drivel.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not if they want stability and to build something long term. We can't keep changing manager to do that.

It's a bit different IMHO to signing a player who might give us one good season and move on, with a manager we need them to be committed to longer than that. That's not to say that if they got massive success they wouldn't move on, but from the outset they need to be committed to the longer term at Hibs, not constantly having one eye on opportunities down south.

We've been stung with that in the past with Calderwood who clearly wasn't committed to being with us and was looking for a way out very quickly, remember the "bag of sweeties" comment?

Managers don’t get long term unless they’re getting success though. Trying to appoint a long term manager is almost an impossible feat unless you’re one of the biggest clubs in the world and the manager can’t go any higher.

If you’ve got a standout candidate then imo you appoint them and accept you might be looking for a new manager in a year or so after an excellent period. You don’t turn your nose up at that and hope for someone who is a slower burner.

[Jones28]

At least I’m being constructive, you’re just here without even giving an opinion.L and saying everything is drivel.

Writing off the manager before they've even been confirmed is in no way constructive.

[WhileTheChief..]

This place has morphed into the worst of Hibs social media with totally hysterical and often utterly moronic responses to the prospect of this appointment.

Aye the idea of JDT was one for the romantics but not a single one of us is privvy to why the final decision will be made, least of all those who pretend to be in the know.

Since when did we stop even giving people the smallest chance or benefit of the doubt and become instead this faux outraged, self indulgent bunch of pathetic whingers?

Personally i look forward to getting a manager with a gung ho attacking philosophy as i have been bored stiff 95% of the time the last few years.


I dunno, I think the anger at this one is real :greengrin

[sleeping giant]

At least I’m being constructive, you’re just here without even giving an opinion and saying everything is drivel.

Constructive ? 😂

[flash]

At least I’m being constructive, you’re just here without even giving an opinion and saying everything is drivel.

Constructive doing some pretty heavy lifting there.

[GreenPJ]

My excitement/expectations for previous Hibs managers (on appointment) can probably be ranked thus:

1. Lennon
2. Ross
3. Butcher
4. Hughes
5. Collins
6. Stubbs
7. Maloney
8. Fenlon
9. Paatelainen
10. Heckingbottom
11. Calderwood

If we appoint Johnson I'd maybe put him above Calderwood. Tomasson would probably go right at the top.

So rate the reality against your expectations/excitement?

[flash]

I dunno, I think the anger at this one is real :greengrin

Aye well a couple of decent signings and life will go on.

[Scotty Leither]

That reads like it's come from the club (the bits about being viewed as less of a gamble etc), so I imagine that's that.

The line about “LJ is viewed as less of a gamble than the Dane who had captured the imagination of a ‘vocal’ section of the Leith fan base.”

That little gem has come straight from David Forsyth to Moira Gordon.

Oh that we should be “vocal” when daring to question an organisation that seem so far removed from their fan base, eh?

Whatever we’re paying Forsyth it’s too much.

[JohnM1875]

He won two leagues in a one horse race.

Malmo hadn't won the league the previous two years. So not that much of a one horse race.

Doesn't really matter now though does it.

[Hibs90]

Writing off the manager before they've even been confirmed is in no way constructive.

Point out to me where I’ve written the guy off? I absolutely haven’t. I have no idea if he will be a good manager or not for Hibs, but I’m sorry for not being excited or enthusiastic about this appointment, as you can see I’m not the only one.

My angers at the Hibs board, who had a great chance to unite the support with this managerial appointment, instead they’ve just drove the wedge further in.

[JohnM1875]

Anything else you can find to put us off him?

It's not hard to find.

[flash]

Point out to me where I’ve written the guy off? I absolutely haven’t. I have no idea if he will be a good manager or not for Hibs, but I’m sorry for not being excited or enthusiastic about this appointment, as you can see I’m not the only one.

My angers at the Hibs board, who had a great chance to unite the support with this managerial appointment, instead they’ve just drove the wedge further in.

They might be right though.

[Hibs90]

Constructive doing some pretty heavy lifting there.

About as much heavy lifting as your posting history to be fair.

[CL0762]

His last match in football was a 6-0 drubbing at the hands of Bolton Wanderers
I’m not sure Sunderland should be shipping 6 goals to anybody in that league,imagine history repeats itself in a derby

Mowbray shipped 4 goals 3 times in one season against Hearts.

[WhileTheChief..]

See you all in 6-12 months when we can rehash all the same conversations again as we debate who our next managerial appointment should be.

Christmas.

And we can all talk about the changes the new man will need to make in January :greengrin

[RIP]

Vacancy. Board agree role profile, qualities sought, salary budget

English Coach 'A' applies. Club does homework. Makes shortlist. Gets interviewed. Meets all the criteria. Wage negotions start. Within budget. Board sanction appointment.

Late in the process, European coach 'B' says he's interested late in the process. Club quickly does homework. Gets interviewed. Meets all the criteria. Wage discussions start..............




Coach 'A' appointed :wink:

[flash]

It's not hard to find.

I was being sarcastic. I see no merit in that sort of thing.

[flash]

About as much heavy lifting as your posting history to be fair.

That doesn't make sense.

[Willis1875]

Mowbray shipped 4 goals 3 times in one season against Hearts.

We aren’t appointing Mowbray though

[GreenCastle]

Find it odd they are appointing it tomorrow.

If the Huns win Europa league it will hardly get a mention.

LJ must start well and that means league cup games. Winning games.

If he utters the words everyone gets a clean slate or fresh opportunity we are in trouble. He should know 100% what this team needs and the new signings will tell us if he understands the issues we have had.

[Jones28]

Point out to me where I’ve written the guy off? I absolutely haven’t. I have no idea if he will be a good manager or not for Hibs, but I’m sorry for not being excited or enthusiastic about this appointment, as you can see I’m not the only one.

My angers at the Hibs board, who had a great chance to unite the support with this managerial appointment, instead they’ve just drove the wedge further in.

"Any enthusiasm I could muster for Hibs is completely gone with this appointment if true.

Disappointing and depressing."

"Underwhelmed."

"He was at the biggest club in the division in Sunderland and it never brought the best in him did it? Can’t wait to be thrashed 6-0 at home to Kilmarnock"

"Hibs had the chance to unite the fans and the club again with this manager appointment. Just look at the reaction everywhere when some of the names were linked. There was enthusiasm and excitement, if it’s true it’s Johnson it’s done the complete opposite."

Constructive but...

You don't need to explicitly say you're writing the manager off to write the manager off.

[CL0762]

We aren’t appointing Mowbray though

What happened after those games though, was Mowbray chased out the door?

[Willis1875]

Find it out they are appointing it tomorrow.

If the Huns win Europa league it will hardly get a mention.

Exactly what they are hoping for,they know this is going to go down like a lead balloon

[JohnM1875]

I was being sarcastic. I see no merit in that sort of thing.

Neither do I usually. And regardless of what I think or how disappointed I am with the appointment I'll obviously give him a chance and will still be at ER hoping he gets us winning.

Just gutted about it right now.

[SHODAN]

So rate the reality against your expectations/excitement?

1. Stubbs
2. Lennon
3. Collins
4. Ross
5. Paatelainen
6. Fenlon
7. Hughes
8. Heckingbottom
9. Maloney
10. Calderwood
11. Butcher

[GreenPJ]

Managers don’t get long term unless they’re getting success though. Trying to appoint a long term manager is almost an impossible feat unless you’re one of the biggest clubs in the world and the manager can’t go any higher.

If you’ve got a standout candidate then imo you appoint them and accept you might be looking for a new manager in a year or so after an excellent period. You don’t turn your nose up at that and hope for someone who is a slower burner.

Define 'long-term'?

If we got a manager in who got us into top six next season, and then progressively improved our position in the league in consecutive years without winning a cup whilst playing attacking football with a little progress in Europe each year then where is the need to sack them? That could be 4, 5, 6 years, admittedly in 6 years you would want/expect a cup win (albeit our history doesn't align with that timeframe).

[Tyler Durden]

Add Bristol City fans to that list as well. Where he spent millions upon millions of pounds.

And developed multiple players who were sold on at great profit.

All Championship teams spend millions upon millions of pounds.

All the stuff about Sunderland's apparently massive budget is misguided aswell. Reeks of total ignorance for most posters. They would be in the top 4 for budget but alot of their costs were legacy on guys that took years to move on. Look at their matchday squad this year..... it's not a squad to run away with a very competitive league. No other manager achieved that.

Lee Johnson left them in 3rd in January FFS. He lost heavily to Bolton in one game. Weeks prior he beat Sheffield Wednesday 5-0 - a team who are likely paying their squad more this season.

[Sergio sledge]

Managers don’t get long term unless they’re getting success though. Trying to appoint a long term manager is almost an impossible feat unless you’re one of the biggest clubs in the world and the manager can’t go any higher.

If you’ve got a standout candidate then imo you appoint them and accept you might be looking for a new manager in a year or so after an excellent period. You don’t turn your nose up at that and hope for someone who is a slower burner.

It's all about levels of success though, if someone is committed to the longer term then they'll hang around longer despite the success they are having. Someone who is job hopping will be off at the first sniff of success, no matter how sustained that might be. A good half season and they will be gone. To be honest it doesn't even have to be a good half season, if they are good at selling themselves then they could be pretty ordinary here and apply for jobs in England and get one and be off anyway.

To be clear I'm not saying this is the reason they might be picking Johnson over JDT, but if the story in The Scotsman is a club leak I thought it was telling that they put in the sentence about being committed to the longer term.

[flash]

"Any enthusiasm I could muster for Hibs is completely gone with this appointment if true.

Disappointing and depressing."

"Underwhelmed."

"He was at the biggest club in the division in Sunderland and it never brought the best in him did it? Can’t wait to be thrashed 6-0 at home to Kilmarnock"

"Hibs had the chance to unite the fans and the club again with this manager appointment. Just look at the reaction everywhere when some of the names were linked. There was enthusiasm and excitement, if it’s true it’s Johnson it’s done the complete opposite."

Constructive but...

You don't need to explicitly say you're writing the manager off to write the manager off.

Game, set and match.

[SaulGoodman]

Meh

[SHODAN]

Honestly can't remember, but what was the general feeling when we appointed Stubbs? I think we were just happy just to have not Butcher in.

[Hibs90]

"Any enthusiasm I could muster for Hibs is completely gone with this appointment if true.

Disappointing and depressing."

"Underwhelmed."

"He was at the biggest club in the division in Sunderland and it never brought the best in him did it? Can’t wait to be thrashed 6-0 at home to Kilmarnock"

"Hibs had the chance to unite the fans and the club again with this manager appointment. Just look at the reaction everywhere when some of the names were linked. There was enthusiasm and excitement, if it’s true it’s Johnson it’s done the complete opposite."

Constructive but...

You don't need to explicitly say you're writing the manager off to write the manager off.

So the only time I mentioned the manager specifically was when I talked about getting horsed 6-0 at home to Killie which was clearly a sarcastic post.

I’m out for now. Better things to be doing.

[A Hi-Bee]

The line about “LJ is viewed as less of a gamble than the Dane who had captured the imagination of a ‘vocal’ section of the Leith fan base.”

That little gem has come straight from David Forsyth to Moira Gordon.

Oh that we should be “vocal” when daring to question an organisation that seem so far removed from their fan base, eh?

Whatever we’re paying Forsyth it’s too much.

Reckon it just about sums our club up for now, most of the board don't even know where Leith is.

[SlickShoes]

Honestly can't remember, but what was the general feeling when we appointed Stubbs? I think we were just happy just to have not Butcher in.

I remember not really caring who it was, just glad Butcher was gone, whoever coming in had a terrifying task as we only had something like 8 players on the books. What a time.

[JeMeSouviens]

Meh

In a word.

[B.H.F.C]

Can’t say I’m feeling very enthusiastic about this.

We’re going to need some seriously good signings to lift the mood over the summer and encourage folk back for the start of the season.

[JohnM1875]

And developed multiple players who were sold on at great profit.

All Championship teams spend millions upon millions of pounds.

All the stuff about Sunderland's apparently massive budget is misguided aswell. Reeks of total ignorance for most posters. They would be in the top 4 for budget but alot of their costs were legacy on guys that took years to move on. Look at their matchday squad this year..... it's not a squad to run away with a very competitive league. No other manager achieved that.

Lee Johnson left them in 3rd in January FFS. He lost heavily to Bolton in one game. Weeks prior he beat Sheffield Wednesday 5-0 - a team who are likely paying their squad more this season.

There's a lot more to his sacking than one pumping. A team sitting in third doesn't sack their manager on the back of one bad result.

[Wilson]

Can’t say I’m feeling very enthusiastic about this.

We’re going to need some seriously good signings to lift the mood over the summer and encourage folk back for the start of the season.

We need some good signings whoever comes in.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Meh

I think this sums up how a huge portion of Hibs fans will be feeling.

Considering the season we’ve had, a meh appointment isn’t going to do nearly enough to get people excited about Hibs again.

[Lago]

He’s never managed in UK and has had the biggest budget in the country at his last club not really compatible with hibs is it
As far as I can see he's not done a lot since leaving Malmo, apart from being an assistant.

[wookie70]

I find it really hard to get excited about managerial appointments. Their past record doesn't guarantee anything and most of their performance will be around who is recruited and how much cash is spent. At Hibs neither of those will be fully in their control. I don't think it is great starting to be disappointed with an appointment when you haven't been involved in the recruitment process and the next incumbent hasn't even been announced. I'd have been happier with SDG than Maloney last time but who can tell if he would have done better than SM. I have no preference this time as being good in other leagues doesn't mean too much to me especially if you are managing one of the better teams in those leagues.

[SHODAN]

I remember not really caring who it was, just glad Butcher was gone, whoever coming in had a terrifying task as we only had something like 8 players on the books. What a time.

Sounds about right.

[GreenPJ]

Reality - 1. Stubbs - expectation 6th
Reality - 2. Lennon - expectation 1st
Reality - 3. Collins - expectation 5th
Reality - 4. Ross - expectation 2nd
Reality - 5. Paatelainen - expectation 9th
Reality - 6. Fenlon - expectation 8th
Reality - 7. Hughes - expectation 4th
Reality - 8. Heckingbottom - expectation 10th
Reality - 9. Maloney - expectation 7th
Reality - 10. Calderwood - expectation 11th
Reality - 11. Butcher- expectation 3rd

So in none of your initial expectations/excitement, the reality was met, some went up and some went down. Big name, successful players (e.g. Butcher) clearly didn't work out and then some of the other non exciting appointments (e.g. Stubbs/Paatelainen) faired a lot better than expectations.

I think this is a great example of why whoever it is needs to be given a chance and backing because you just don't know how it will end up other than its very unlikely that initial expectations will ever end up the reality.

[PortoHSC]

What an enormous disappointment, not only are hibs disregarding 90% of hibs fans and who we want as manager they’re signing 2 hearts *******s to be manager and assistant manager. It’s a no from me

[Mcbizz1998]

Hmm tbh I wasn’t too bothered about a guy who had played 4 times for hearts, I could live with that. But appointing another Jambo as assistant who actually turned out a good few times for them is a worry.

Fans will turn very quickly on them if things don’t go well quickly.

[The Harp Awakes]

If true about LJ, we appoint an underwhelming, run of the mill manager and one with a Hearts connection. What could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:

The jambos will be p1shing themselves laughing at us.

[hibee92]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Nicho87]

More signings from England league 2 on the way then.

For every four you make your bound to pick up one who can hack it up here

See

Thornhill
Sodje
Agogo
Palsson

More garbage on the way

How truly uninspiring

And he played for hearts, Gordon doesn’t get it / hibs at all

[Paulie Walnuts]

As far as I can see he's not done a lot since leaving Malmo, apart from being an assistant.

He only left them 5 months ago and he’s not been an assistant since?

[Basildon Hibs]

The Hibernian FC managerial appointment I want them to announce:

Jon Dahl Tomasson has agreed terms for a three year deal and is at the club today where he is expected to announce two coaches who will join him at the club, one each respectively from his playing time at Milan and Feyenoord as well as new assistant manager Scott Brown. Ron Gordon also announced an substantially increased transfer and salary budget for the new manager allowing him to bring in at least seven new targets, three have already been identified and are ready to sign. They are understood to be established professionals with impressive senior pedigrees.

Tomasson said "We will be playing attacking, high-tempo and high-press football. Everyone who buys into that will be supported and developed, anyone who doesn't can leave now. I'm here to build a team that wins silverware and competes in Europe every season. This club is the biggest in the capital, the first and best Scottish club in green and is a model of open, inclusive non-sectarian excellence. With hard work, leadership on and off the park and the support of the angels up above we're going to fill this place, build a fortress and put a team on the park that Lawrie Reilly would be proud of. My message to the fans is this, look out those scarves, buy your season tickets, get your family and friends to join you and get ready for the Hibernian you've been waiting for. It's time to get back to being Hibs class.


The Hibernian FC managerial appointment I fear they will announce:

Serious Blokeface has agreed terms for a deal that everyone already knows won't complete its course and will join the club in mid-June after his annual two week Algarve golfing trip with his buddies. He will be accompanied by coaches Blande Averager and Nonleague Oldtimer from his previous role as manager of Pimlico FC, as well as new assistant manager Warko Jiss. Ron Gordon also announced that the club's wages and transfer budget, while limited, would not be cut in the face of difficult economic circumstances and slow season ticket sales. Gordon expressed his confidence in the strong squad already at the club and in Blokeface's ability to both get the best out of the players he has and to find additional players from his extensive contacts in the Poundshop Conference League in Wales where Blokeface previously played at that league's highest level.

Blokeface said "We will definitely be playing football. Football that will work in this league. I'm delighted with the squad we have. We have to be realistic about our resources and constraints but Pimlico taught me a lot about that. I know this is a big league because Celtic and Rangers. I'm excited to manage here because I've been an East Stirlingshire (Rangers) fan all my life. This club is in the capital, we wear green and I'd just like to wish Rangers all the best in the final. My message to the fans is this, I'll have very serous expressions on my face on matchday and so should you. Oh, I forgot to say, Pat Stanton, 2016 and Leith.


Too pessimistic?

This is why we need a 'like' button.

🙂

[500miles]

If true about LJ, we appoint an underwhelming, run of the mill manager and one with a Hearts connection. What could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:

The jambos will be p1shing themselves laughing at us.

They'll be laughing at the reaction - which is down to the posters really.

[CL0762]

If true about LJ, we appoint an underwhelming, run of the mill manager and one with a Hearts connection. What could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:

The jambos will be p1shing themselves laughing at us.

Who gives a **** what they think?

Jason Cummings was pictured doing the 5-1, as someone with a ‘Hearts connection’ he didn’t turn out too badly did he?

[Tyler Durden]

There's a lot more to his sacking than one pumping. A team sitting in third doesn't sack their manager on the back of one bad result.

Why was he sacked then? You've no idea but you'll still make out he did a poor job.

He left them in 3rd and they went to the quarter final of the Carabao cup, losing to Arsenal.

[SHODAN]

More signings from England league 2 on the way then.

For every four you make your bound to pick up one who can hack it up here

See

Thornhill
Sodje
Agogo
Palsson

More garbage on the way

How truly uninspiring

And he played for hearts, Gordon doesn’t get it / hibs at all

The Hearts thing I don't care about.

However, yes, the general trend is that when we appoint managers who have only had posts down south they just bring up a bunch of substandard players from there who they think'll hack it because Scottish football is *****, only to be promptly found out. That is a worry of mine too.

[Mr. Wonderful]

More signings from England league 2 on the way then.

For every four you make your bound to pick up one who can hack it up here

See

Thornhill
Sodje
Agogo
Palsson

More garbage on the way

How truly uninspiring

And he played for hearts, Gordon doesn’t get it / hibs at all

Would fans be happy for us to sign the spfl's joint top scorer this season? Any ideas where he came from before county?

[Hiber-nation]

Anyone moaning about the Hearts connection fancy wiping the respective contributions of Gordon Smith, Willie Ormond, Alan Gordon and David Gray off the record books? Johnson's not my choice but the ex-jambo nonsense is utterly ridiculous.

[SHODAN]

Who gives a **** what they think?

Jason Cummings was pictured doing the 5-1, as someone with a ‘Hearts connection’ he didn’t turn out too badly did he?

****ing nailed on that people were going to care more about a former Hearts or Rangers connection than someone who had a documented history of being a racist, sexist, antisemite and homophobe. Laughable, really.

[hibee-boys]

My excitement/expectations for previous Hibs managers (on appointment) can probably be ranked thus:

1. Lennon
2. Ross
3. Butcher
4. Hughes
5. Collins
6. Stubbs
7. Maloney
8. Fenlon
9. Paatelainen
10. Heckingbottom
11. Calderwood

If we appoint Johnson I'd maybe put him above Calderwood. Tomasson would probably go right at the top.

What excited you so much about Ross, he had a worse record at Sunderland than Johnson🤔

[Wilson]

The Hearts thing I don't care about.

However, yes, the general trend is that when we appoint managers who have only had posts down south they just bring up a bunch of players from there who they think'll hack it because Scottish football is *****, only to be promptly found out. That is a worry of mine too.

Except he's played up here so he'll hopefully be a little more tuned in. I'd recommend that he sign players that are much better than he was - then we're on the right track!

[Neily1982]

Absolutely gutted with this to be honest 😭😭😭😭

[SHODAN]

What excited you so much about Ross, he had a worse record at Sunderland than Johnson🤔

I was a Ross fan ever since his St Mirren side blazed the Championship. Could be a blind spot but he didn't do too bad in the end!

[Lago]

:top marks
And developed multiple players who were sold on at great profit.

All Championship teams spend millions upon millions of pounds.

All the stuff about Sunderland's apparently massive budget is misguided aswell. Reeks of total ignorance for most posters. They would be in the top 4 for budget but alot of their costs were legacy on guys that took years to move on. Look at their matchday squad this year..... it's not a squad to run away with a very competitive league. No other manager achieved that.

Lee Johnson left them in 3rd in January FFS. He lost heavily to Bolton in one game. Weeks prior he beat Sheffield Wednesday 5-0 - a team who are likely paying their squad more this season.

[Mr. Wonderful]

They'll be laughing at the reaction - which is down to the posters really.

They can laugh all they want but LJ has a much better record in the same league that Neilson managed in.

[One Day Soon]

Find it odd they are appointing it tomorrow.

If the Huns win Europa league it will hardly get a mention.

LJ must start well and that means league cup games. Winning games.

If he utters the words everyone gets a clean slate or fresh opportunity we are in trouble. He should know 100% what this team needs and the new signings will tell us if he understands the issues we have had.


TBF, if outside speculation about JDT/the club's failure to manage expectations about JDT* has led you to the point where your announcement of Johnson is going to be completely anti-climactic if not slightly antagonistic to substantial sections of the support, then perhaps making the announcement when it is going to be deluged by Rangers coverage is a deliberate ploy?

They should just translate his surname and announce Lee Janssen tomorrow. Job done.



*Delete as appropriate

[JohnM1875]

Why was he sacked then? You've no idea but you'll still make out he did a poor job.

He left them in 3rd and they went to the quarter final of the Carabao cup, losing to Arsenal.

Bizarre team selections and other poor results (not just one pumping) led to the board sacking him.

I had no enthusiasm at all for him becoming our manager so went out to look for stuff to win me round. Unfortunately all that did was make me not want him even more.

As you said he had them third in the league but even then the Sunderland fans wanted him out.

[GreenPJ]

Vacancy. Board agree role profile, qualities sought, salary budget

English Coach 'A' applies. Club does homework. Makes shortlist. Gets interviewed. Meets all the criteria. Wage negotions start. Within budget. Board sanction appointment.

Late in the process, European coach 'B' says he's interested late in the process. Club does homework. Makes shortlist. Gets interviewed. Meets all the criteria. Wage discussions start..............




Coach 'A' appointed :wink:

Probably right but I don't see anything wrong with your above scenario - there is a budget and if a manager/player can't fit within that budget then they have ruled themselves out.

[Scotty Leither]

Anyone moaning about the Hearts connection fancy wiping the respective contributions of Gordon Smith, Willie Ormond, Alan Gordon and David Gray off the record books? Johnson's not my choice but the ex-jambo nonsense is utterly ridiculous.

At least McAllister will be familiar with the Derby fixture and as an ex-Jambo he’ll have had it drilled into him the importance of winning the fixture in a manner that our club would do well to copy.

I suspect that fixture wasn’t even mentioned in isolation during the interview process by our non football experienced/non Hibernian oriented Board, however.

[Coco Bryce]

:faf::faf::faf:

Believing some no marks on twitter and treating it as gospel!

Another Scottish papers tweeting it now.

[flash]

Bizarre team selections and other poor results (not just one pumping) led to the board sacking him.

I had no enthusiasm at all for him becoming our manager so went out to look for stuff to win me round. Unfortunately all that did was make me not want him even more.

As you said he had them third in the league but even then the Sunderland fans wanted him out.

You are like a dug with a bone about this.

[JohnM1875]

You are like a dug with a bone about this.

The guy literally asked me a question and I replied.

[AugustaHibs]

:faf::faf::faf:

Believing some no marks on twitter and treating it as gospel!

The replies are coming from Bristol city and Sunderland fans?

They have much more knowledge of the guy than anybody here, so I’ll take their opinions over folk on here thanks.

[GloryGlory]

Another Scottish papers tweeting it now.

Sky Sports News got it on their screen ticker tape - next 48 hours LJ to be appointed.

[Hibernian Verse]

The replies are coming from Bristol city and Sunderland fans?

They have much more knowledge of the guy than anybody here, so I’ll take their opinions over folk on here thanks.

Wonder if Sheff Utd fans did that with us...

[flash]

The replies are coming from Bristol city and Sunderland fans?

They have much more knowledge of the guy than anybody here, so I’ll take their opinions over folk on here thanks.

Or you could be a brave wee soldier and form your own opinion once he starts managing Hibs.

[500miles]

More signings from England league 2 on the way then.

For every four you make your bound to pick up one who can hack it up here

See

Thornhill
Sodje
Agogo
Palsson

More garbage on the way

How truly uninspiring

And he played for hearts, Gordon doesn’t get it / hibs at all

I can see that Korey Smith and Marlon Pack - two of his most selected players- are available after leaving Championship clubs. Experienced defensive mids. Exactly what we're missing.

Gordon Smith played for Hearts. You think we should take his picture down and rename the Famous 5 stand?

[CL0762]

The replies are coming from Bristol city and Sunderland fans?

They have much more knowledge of the guy than anybody here, so I’ll take their opinions over folk on here thanks.

So if a club appoints Stubbs and asks fans of Hibs, Rotherham & St. Mirren about him who would you believe if you were a fan of that particular club?

Because we’d have a drastically different opinion of him than the fans of those other clubs.

[JXM73]

Can we start the next next new manager thread now, dont see this lasting to Christmas...

Still time to announce Ian Gordon..

[Wilson]

Wonder if Sheff Utd fans did that with us...

They'd have got great perspective from actual hibs fans on twitter. Details right down to how long the barge pole, that they shouldn't touch him with, should be!

[WhileTheChief..]

If true about LJ, we appoint an underwhelming, run of the mill manager and one with a Hearts connection. What could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:

The jambos will be p1shing themselves laughing at us.

Careful mentioning his Hearts connection.

Folk will be calling you childish soon for bringing it up!

[Lago]

He only left them 5 months ago and he’s not been an assistant since?
My bad your absolutely right, all I would say having looked at his managerial career he tends to move on relatively quickly.

[basehibby]

Has a potential managerial appointment ever gone down this badly with the punters in modern history? I can't remember one.

Honestly, just so fed up with Hibs now.

I remember everyone - including me - pillorying the appointment of Tony Mowbray stating it was a hopeless appointment doomed to failure - just shows how wrong one can be.

[Alan62]

Classic Hibs.net patter that a guy who hasn't even been appointed yet has already been written off. :na na:

[One Day Soon]

I remember everyone - including me - pillorying the appointment of Tony Mowbray stating it was a hopeless appointment doomed to failure - just shows how wrong one can be.


Yup. I'm preparing for the worst and hoping for the best.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So if a club appoints Stubbs and asks fans of Hibs, Rotherham & St. Mirren about him who would you believe if you were a fan of that particular club?

Because we’d have a drastically different opinion of him than the fans of those other clubs.

They two jobs (BC and Sunderland)have made up 2/3rds of his managerial career and are the most recent jobs he’s had. The thoughts of the fans of those two clubs are hugely relevant imo and whatever way we want to dress it up, they do give cause for concern.

[WhileTheChief..]

You are like a dug with a bone about this.

What's your thoughts on LJ Flash?

I maybe missed it but all I'm seeing is you having wee digs at others.

Would you not have rather had JDT too?

[One Day Soon]

I'll tell you what, if we do now somehow appoint JDT tomorrow amid a tsunami of Rangers coverage and after pissing off a large proportion of our fanbase would that be one of the most Hibs things we could do?

[Lago]

Classic Hibs.net patter that a guy who hasn't even been appointed yet has already been written off. :na na:
That's the way it is on here now a days, everyone is an expert, in managing a business & coaching a football team, way of the world.

[Sioux]

Anyone moaning about the Hearts connection fancy wiping the respective contributions of Gordon Smith, Willie Ormond, Alan Gordon and David Gray off the record books? Johnson's not my choice but the ex-jambo nonsense is utterly ridiculous.

+Ralph Callachan

[CapitalGreen]

So if a club appoints Stubbs and asks fans of Hibs, Rotherham & St. Mirren about him who would you believe if you were a fan of that particular club?

Because we’d have a drastically different opinion of him than the fans of those other clubs.

I’ll be honest and say he’s a legend for winning the cup but in the league he finished 3rd in a 2 horse race.

[Gordy M]

When he was sacked by Bristol he was the longest serving manager in the Championship.....and left them in 8th.....they havent got close to that since.

[GreenCastle]

At least McAllister will be familiar with the Derby fixture and as an ex-Jambo he’ll have had it drilled into him the importance of winning the fixture in a manner that our club would do well to copy.

I suspect that fixture wasn’t even mentioned in isolation during the interview process by our non football experienced/non Hibernian oriented Board, however.

You might be onto something here..

Seems he’s ex team mate with Neilson

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19648933.jamie-mcallister-hearts-can-sustain-scottish-title-challenge---exorcise-ghosts-2005/

[Wilson]

I'll tell you what, if we do now somehow appoint JDT tomorrow amid a tsunami of Rangers coverage and after pissing off a large proportion of our fanbase would that be one of the most Hibs things we could do?

Aye. Just to carry on the hibsness he'd get sacked by Christmas while LJ is winning games at his next English club. Totally hibs.

[CapitalGreen]

When he was sacked by Bristol he was the longest serving manager in the Championship.....and left them in 8th.....they havent got close to that since.

Neither has he.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

The apathy continues.

[flash]

What's your thoughts on LJ Flash?

I maybe missed it but all I'm seeing is you having wee digs at others.

Would you not have rather had JDT too?

He wouldn't have been my number one pick but he does come with a reputation for attacking open football and that's what we have all been crying out for.

I don't mind folk not being happy about it but I can't be remotely ersed with some of the self indulgent drama queen's on here and every other social media platform.

As long as that continues I will keep calling them out for it.

Popularity is over rated anyway.:greengrin

[Gordy M]

Neither has he.

No he went to Sunderland, arguably a bigger club and left him in 3rd?

[Since452]

Said on another thread. Aberdeen. A similar sized club with similar aspirations appointed Jim Goodwin. Hearts appointed Robbie Neilson. I'm happy with our choice.

[One Day Soon]

Aye. Just to carry on the hibsness he'd get sacked by Christmas while LJ is winning games at his next English club. Totally hibs.

Obv. To complete the picture he'll need to make some interesting looking signings, half of which will turn out crap and the other half become long term injured within a few games.

[JohnM1875]

Said on another thread. Aberdeen. A similar sized club with similar aspirations appointed Jim Goodwin. I'm happy with out choice.

Watch them now sack him and get JDT in 😂

[Zambernardi1875]

No he went to Sunderland, arguably a bigger club and left him in 3rd?

Genuine question then, why does he keep leaving or getting sacked

[Sioux]

He wouldn't have been my number one pick but he does come with a reputation for attacking open football and that's what we have all been crying out for.

I don't mind folk not being happy about it but I can't be remotely ersed with some of the self indulgent drama queen's on here and every other social media platform.

As long as that continues I will keep calling them out for it.

Popularity is over rated anyway.:greengrin

That's a big list! :greengrin

[flash]

Genuine question then, why does he keep leaving or getting sacked

99% of managers do eventually.

[Sir David Gray]

Honestly can't remember, but what was the general feeling when we appointed Stubbs? I think we were just happy just to have not Butcher in.

Reaction here.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?286083-Official-Site-Stubbs-Appointed-Head-Coach

[WhileTheChief..]

He wouldn't have been my number one pick but he does come with a reputation for attacking open football and that's what we have all been crying out for.

I don't mind folk not being happy about it but I can't be remotely ersed with some of the self indulgent drama queen's on here and every other social media platform.

As long as that continues I will keep calling them out for it.

Popularity is over rated anyway.:greengrin

You go for it!!!!

I'm dead against his appointment but you're absolutely correct. If he gets us playing well and winning I'll say he's the best thing ever and applaud RG and the board as much as anyone.

If he turns out to be rank though, will it be ok to call him out as such or do we 'need to give him time' etc???!!

I just don't see it working out at all and genuinely think he won't last the season. It's like we've learnt nothing from Maloney.

Usual caveat of hope I'm wrong, GGTTH, etc etc

[Gordy M]

Genuine question then, why does he keep leaving or getting sacked

Well at Bristol he was there 4 years, which these days, is a long time. Maybe it just got stale? Sunderland seem to go through managers at a high rate. All im saying is that folk are on here saying he will be a disaster, sign terrible players etc, when there is no evidence of that at all.....in fact quite the opposite. Leaving a team in 8th in the championship then 3rd in league one is not bad?

Would he be my first choice.....no. but there is no evidence he will be a disaster either?

Try to stay positive:greengrin

[flash]

You go for it!!!!

I'm dead against his appointment but you're absolutely correct. If he gets us playing well and winning I'll say he's the best thing ever and applaud RG and the board as much as anyone.

If he turns out to be rank though, will it be ok to call him out as such or do we 'need to give him time' etc???!!

I just don't see it working out at all and genuinely think he won't last the season. It's like we've learnt nothing from Maloney.

Usual caveat of hope I'm wrong, GGTTH, etc etc

It's totally different from Maloney though. This guy is an experienced manager.

[Mr. Wonderful]

You go for it!!!!

I'm dead against his appointment but you're absolutely correct. If he gets us playing well and winning I'll say he's the best thing ever and applaud RG and the board as much as anyone.

If he turns out to be rank though, will it be ok to call him out as such or do we 'need to give him time' etc???!!

I just don't see it working out at all and genuinely think he won't last the season. It's like we've learnt nothing from Maloney.

Usual caveat of hope I'm wrong, GGTTH, etc etc

If we're not motoring at all by about October time it isn't ever going to happen.

[HFC93]

Reaction here.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?286083-Official-Site-Stubbs-Appointed-Head-Coach

HKhibby with his finger on the pulse.

[Golden Bear]

I've just logged in-------- has Johnston been officially announced?

[Unseen work]

Said on another thread. Aberdeen. A similar sized club with similar aspirations appointed Jim Goodwin. Hearts appointed Robbie Neilson. I'm happy with our choice.

Well said, completely agree.

JDT sounded good.

I think Johnson will actually be good.

[SHODAN]

I've just logged in-------- has Johnston been officially announced?

Widely reported that we will announce it in next 48 hours.

[Jones28]

I've just logged in-------- has Johnston been officially announced?

No, its 4 pages of mostly hysterical nonsense.

[Golden Bear]

No, its 4 pages of mostly hysterical nonsense.

That was my first impression but just checking. 😄

[BegbieHSC]

If true, it’s a ludicrous decision by the board.

Really, really not impressed.

[Tambo]

First defeat to hearts and it will be mayhem with all sorts of accusations about him and his no 2.

[wookie70]

The jambos will be p1shing themselves laughing at us.


We aren't appointing Jim Jeffries or Craig Levein. Quite a few players, with much stronger Hearts connections, have done well at Hibs in recent years and the bulk of the support took to them as they would any other player. At least he has some knowledge of the game up here. I just don't get the reactions on here to an appointment that could easily be a success.

[One Day Soon]

164 pages and rising in one month is quite impressive.

I'd like to take time out from wringing my hands over the apparent failure/decision not to land JDT to instead express concern about how the club is managing all this. What happened to the days of Omerta until the club itself decided to make an announcement?

[Moulin Yarns]

I've just logged in-------- has Johnston been officially announced?

No, and I'm going to love this place when hibs announce Tommason on Friday 😁

[A Hi-Bee]

What is it with Hibs and failed ex Sunderland managers, dont we ever learn, hope he does well, but but but I will leave it there.

[The Harp Awakes]

Careful mentioning his Hearts connection.

Folk will be calling you childish soon for bringing it up!

Although it's not a massive issue, it's just another reason for Hibs fans to turn on him if he doesn't get off to a good start.

The managerial appointment was an opportunity to galvanise the support, boost season ticket sales and raise expectations for next season. Don't think appointing LJ will tick any of those 3 boxes.

Will back him and would love to be proved wrong, but if appointed I think he could be gone quicker than Maloney.

[flash]

If true, it’s a ludicrous decision by the board.

Really, really not impressed.

What's ludicrous about it?

It's hardly a dreadful appointment he was in the running right from the start and was also mentioned in connection with several vacancies down south.

[Since452]

https://youtu.be/s8nPIZmXIC0

Interesting

The highlights of the match in question are very encouraging.

[Hibs90]

Reaction here.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?286083-Official-Site-Stubbs-Appointed-Head-Coach

Pleasing to see I called it correctly :wink:

[Callum_62]

Winner. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220518/9f3a73e95e2d41bba492480bd0ba0fcd.jpg

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[I'm_cabbaged]

That was my first impression but just checking. 😄

I was the same 😂 maybe a master plan to piss everyone off before announcing what everyone wants!!

[flash]

First defeat to hearts and it will be mayhem with all sorts of accusations about him and his no 2.

What like? We deliberately lost?

This place has collectively lost the plot today.

[Langlee Hibs]

Certainly more enthused with LJ than I was with Maloney's appointment TBH!

[bingo70]

What is it with Hibs and failed ex Sunderland managers, dont we ever learn, hope he does well, but but but I will leave it there.

Learn what?

We’ve only appointed one and we finished 3rd and got into Europe? Was delighted when he left as I found us dreadful to watch however that’s not something that’s ever been accused of LJ’s teams.

[Jones28]

So the only time I mentioned the manager specifically was when I talked about getting horsed 6-0 at home to Killie which was clearly a sarcastic post.

I’m out for now. Better things to be doing.

Cheerio then.

[BegbieHSC]

What like? We deliberately lost?

This place has collectively lost the plot today.

A fan base losing the plot about a managerial appointment shows how out of touch the board is with fans however, and how little they care about our opinion on how our club is ran. We won’t shift any more season tickets if he’s appointed. It’ll be at least under 10k, which is embarrassing, but I don’t blame the fans not renewing. I blame the board for repeatedly letting us down.

[yerauldda]

Absolutely nobody wants the guy to fail. The knives aren’t out for him. He applied for a job and got it. I hope he succeeds.

However, you cannot stop fans having an emotional reaction. It’s a seriously underwhelming appointment. It’s quite baffling that it’s taken this long to end up with Johnson. At a time when the whole club needed a lift and some unity we could’ve really done with a more interesting appointment.

Let’s hope for some decent signings to lift the mood as this certainly hasn’t.

[JXM73]

Winner. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220518/9f3a73e95e2d41bba492480bd0ba0fcd.jpg

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He'll be delivering pizzas in 6 months time

[Bobby's Cinema]

No excitement around this.

Let's just hope he is backed and we get the recruitment right - hopefully Ron can recognise that it hasn't gone well despite what he said in his recent interview - that's going to be the most important thing.

[Gordy M]

He'll be delivering pizzas in 6 months time

His managerial history will tell you he will be here a lot longer than that.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Jesus H Christ, this thread has been a hard read for the last 10 pages. Here's my tuppence worth.

Looking at the 'not yet confirmed' appointment of LJ I can see why this decision has been made by Hibs management. He ticks a lot of boxes.
- He plays attacking football, something the fans have been moaning about.
- He is a young manager coming up through the ranks, again something Hibs want, they don't want to be sacking managers they want mangers to leave to bigger jobs than Hibs, this happened to him at Oldham and at Barnsley, he then took charge of the complete nut job of a club Sunderland who are almost as bad as Hibs for sacking managers.
- He has a good record of developing players, he has whatever we think of the opinions of fans of teams he has managed previously managed to develop player at the team he has been working for and that development has been rewarded with some decent sales of players. This is exactly Hibs want, we want to develop players and sell them on for good money.
- He has won trophies as a player and a manager.

There are obviously downsides to this 'not yet confirmed' appointment too. He used to play for hearts and his assistant is a bit of a jambo, for me that isn't a bad thing as he is first and foremost a professional, it does give the gorgie gimps the opportunity to use the 'agent Johnson' banter but I tend not to listen to them anyway. The opinions of fans of some of the clubs he's worked for, there are very few manager who leave a club and have supporters of that club hail them. He also has the same surname as the current UK prime minister but we cannot hold that against him!!

I am always excited at a new manager because no one knows what he will be like at Hibs, the likelihood given Hibs recent history and current owner is that he will work until he goes on a bad run then get hoofed, it happened to all of them since Stubbs left us. Personally I look forward to whomever takes the spot, if it is Johnson I will wish him all the best and hope he is a success, I think we will see better football under him and I hope that he is our second Mowbray, go back to the days when it didn't matter if the opposition scored 3 because we would score 4!! We have a batch of youngsters doing really well and I hope they are our next golden generation. If not I will hang all my hopes on the next manager after him :greengrin

[Since90+2]

Like any managerial appointment ultimately it doesn't matter what the fans think when he's appointed it's results that matter. Win the first 4 or 5 league games and everyone will be backing him.

I wanted JTD but I'm not naive enough to think he would have definitely been a success. No manager ever is.

[flash]

A fan base losing the plot about a managerial appointment shows how out of touch the board is with fans however, and how little they care about our opinion on how our club is ran. We won’t shift any more season tickets if he’s appointed. It’ll be at least under 10k, which is embarrassing, but I don’t blame the fans not renewing. I blame the board for repeatedly letting us down.

He isn't even here yet. Unbelievable.

[CL0762]

What is it with Hibs and failed ex Sunderland managers, dont we ever learn, hope he does well, but but but I will leave it there.

The last failed one got us 3rd for the first time in 16 years and into 2 cup finals.

I wish we had a failure like that more regularly.

[Since452]

He's beaten Mourinho

[Hibs90]

Suppose it's possible Hibs have leaked the news to get the initial fan reaction out of the way as they probably knew what was coming.

[A Hi-Bee]

Learn what?

We’ve only appointed one and we finished 3rd and got into Europe? Was delighted when he left as I found us dreadful to watch however that’s not something that’s ever been accused of LJ’s teams.

Time will tell eh! I wish him well and will be interested to see what ex north east players he brings in.

[HFC93]

Our board are idiots if the reports are true that it was a choice between both.

[flash]

Our board are idiots if the reports are true that it was a choice between both.

Wibble.

[Golden Bear]

If the Board were to appoint Jurgen Klopp himself as our new Manager then there would still be posters on hear moaning their faces off.

It's the nature of Hibs net in recent times unfortunately.

[Since452]

JDT won a one horse race in Sweden. Beat Rangers to get in the Champions league then went on to lose every game in it. Is this the guy we're having a go at the board at for not picking?

[Coco Bryce]

He isn't even here yet. Unbelievable.

Nobody want's him either.

[Johnny_Leith]

If the Board were to appoint Jurgen Klopp himself as our new Manager then there would still be posters on hear moaning their faces off.

It's the nature of Hibs net in recent times unfortunately.

I know this is hyperbole but c'mon, use a better example than Klopp as every single Hibs supporter and fan would not be moaning at that!

[flash]

Nobody want's him either.

No we all want the guy with the fancy name.

[Since90+2]

JDT won a one horse race in Sweden. Beat Rangers to get in the Champions league then went on to lose every game in it. Is this the guy we're having a go at the board at for not picking?

The Swedish league isn't a one horse race. There's about 4 or 5 clubs of a similar size in that league.

[leith lynx]

Although it's not a massive issue, it's just another reason for Hibs fans to turn on him if he doesn't get off to a good start.

The managerial appointment was an opportunity to galvanise the support, boost season ticket sales and raise expectations for next season. Don't think appointing LJ will tick any of those 3 boxes.

Will back him and would love to be proved wrong, but if appointed I think he could be gone quicker than Maloney.
Feel the same way unfortunately

[JamesHFC]

Some of the reactions to this are way OTT imo. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but give the guy a chance. It‘a frustrating seeing someone getting written off before they have even started. He’s a good manager, experienced with a style of football which should appease our supporters.

With every manager in football there are supporters of a club who will like and dislike them. Concentrating on the bad reviews and taking them as gospel isn’t fair. Sheffield Utd fans would have read our forums and saw mostly negative things about Hecky, who has now actually turned out to be not so bad an appointment.

I think the key thing is though that we support Hibernian and therefore should support the employee’s of the club unless they give us a good reason not to.

Lee Johnson’s Green & White Army.

[A Hi-Bee]

Careful mentioning his Hearts connection.

Folk will be calling you childish soon for bringing it up!

Aye and along wi SDG, we will have a full house of them in the background, just saying like.
:greengrin

[flash]

Although it's not a massive issue, it's just another reason for Hibs fans to turn on him if he doesn't get off to a good start.

The managerial appointment was an opportunity to galvanise the support, boost season ticket sales and raise expectations for next season. Don't think appointing LJ will tick any of those 3 boxes.

Will back him and would love to be proved wrong, but if appointed I think he could be gone quicker than Maloney.

Surely the only box to tick is to provide us with a team worth watching?

[Coco Bryce]

No we all want the guy with the fancy name.

Jon is hardly a fancy name :greengrin

[A Hi-Bee]

Some of the reactions to this are way OTT imo. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but give the guy a chance. It‘a frustrating seeing someone getting written off before they have even started. He’s a good manager, experienced with a style of football which should appease our supporters.

With every manager in football there are supporters of a club who will like and dislike them. Concentrating on the bad reviews and taking them as gospel isn’t fair. Sheffield Utd fans would have read our forums and saw mostly negative things about Hecky, who has now actually turned out to be not so bad an appointment.

I think the key thing is though that we support Hibernian and therefore should support the employee’s of the club unless they give us a good reason not to.

Lee Johnson’s Green & White Army.

Wis that Green & White Army stuff, no something started by the almost worst Hibs manager ever, the Butcher fella?.

[Zambernardi1875]

99% of managers do eventually.

Genius mate. Great input

[SHODAN]

JDT won a one horse race in Sweden. Beat Rangers to get in the Champions league then went on to lose every game in it. Is this the guy we're having a go at the board at for not picking?

Eight different teams have been Swedish champions this century alone.

[Paulie Walnuts]

JDT won a one horse race in Sweden. Beat Rangers to get in the Champions league then went on to lose every game in it. Is this the guy we're having a go at the board at for not picking?

Malmo hadn’t won the league in either of the two seasons before Tomasson came in so I’m not quite following how it’s a one horse league?

[hibsbollah]

It's a good appointment. I'm all aboard. Now Gordon has to spend some serious cash on a midfield and we can have a bit of actual positivity again.

[Gordy M]

What is it that folk are seeing in Johnsons managerial history that they dont think he will do a good job up here? Arguably left his last 2 teams in decent/good positions and won a cup(albeit a minor cup) which would tend to suggest he knows how to get a team performing in both league and cups?

[#2 Double Tap]

He isn't even here yet. Unbelievable.

Yet speaks the truth!

If they ain’t outa touch then they are trolling us.

[HibeeSince85]

Wis that Green & White Army stuff, no something started by the almost worst Hibs manager ever, the Butcher fella?.

"Tony Mowbrays Green and white army"

Long before Butcher.

[JamesHFC]

Wis that Green & White Army stuff, no something started by the almost worst Hibs manager ever, the Butcher fella?.

Pretty sure it came before then but not sure what coloration that has to the appointment of our new manager.

[leith lynx]

It's a good appointment. I'm all aboard. Now Gordon has to spend some serious cash on a midfield and we can have a bit of actual positivity again.

Could you tell me why it is a good appointment? Might be good financially for LJ, but for us?

[CapitalGreen]

Malmo hadn’t won the league in either of the two seasons before Tomasson came in so I’m not quite following how it’s a one horse league?

And they are currently 5th in that 1 horse race following his departure having just been pumped 4-0.

Lee Johnson’s former club on the other hand are in the play offs final on the back of a 15 game unbeaten streak since his departure.

[SHODAN]

What is it that folk are seeing in Johnsons managerial history that they dont think he will do a good job up here? Arguably left his last 2 teams in decent/good positions and won a cup(albeit a minor cup) which would tend to suggest he knows how to get a team performing in both league and cups?

At another time I think he would have been a decent appointment. Think post-Lennon when we had a good squad and a bit of momentum.

However, we are in dire need of a bit of excitement and ambition and this isn't it. We've finished in the bottom six for the first time in a full season post-promotion, the playing squad is extremely poor, we haven't beaten Hearts in almost three years and there are massive question marks over the ownership after a disastrous managerial change last season.

This is a critical juncture as far as Hibs' fortunes go for the forseeable future, and like it or not season ticket sales play a major part in that. Hibs fans are notoriously difficult to get back after they stop coming and this won't do it. He's also going to get a lot less time before any goodwill runs out.

This is a ship-steadying appointment, not a rebuilding one, and Johnson is going to have an enormous job on his hands winning the support of both the fans and the board that will have appointed him.

[HFC93]

This thread has been a roller-coaster. See you all in 6 months time for the new 'Next Hibs manager' thread.

[Victor]

Am I the only one seeing the Welcome JDT tweet?


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[Alex Trager]

Am I the only one seeing the Welcome JDT tweet?


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I think you must be

[Victor]

25861
Is this a hoax?


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[thebausburst]

I cannot believe we take this long to recruit and the best we can come up with is LJ, really, this is Heckingbottomsix all over again.

[Basildon Hibs]

You go for it!!!!

I'm dead against his appointment but you're absolutely correct. If he gets us playing well and winning I'll say he's the best thing ever and applaud RG and the board as much as anyone.

If he turns out to be rank though, will it be ok to call him out as such or do we 'need to give him time' etc???!!

I just don't see it working out at all and genuinely think he won't last the season. It's like we've learnt nothing from Maloney.

Usual caveat of hope I'm wrong, GGTTH, etc etc

Great Post.

[A Hi-Bee]

Kevin Thompson saying it is a good appointment......

[LaMotta]

Am I the only one seeing the Welcome JDT tweet?


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Fake account

[Alex Trager]

25861
Is this a hoax?


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It is

[Victor]

Thanks. I don’t really do twitter it just appeared!


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[GloryGlory]

25861
Is this a hoax?


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Yes. No scarf above head. :greengrin

[LaMotta]

25861
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Look at the Twitter handle. Always amazes me that people get taken in by these:greengrin

[Lago]

He'll be delivering pizzas in 6 months time
What a stupid thing to say.

[Lago]

It's a good appointment. I'm all aboard. Now Gordon has to spend some serious cash on a midfield and we can have a bit of actual positivity again.
At last some sense, well said.

[Mcbizz1998]

25861
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Hibernian Foosball Club! Haha.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/HibbySmurf/status/1526892654943928320?t=iJErplw8ZyG1O-ekned9BA&s=19


A wee bit of an over reaction!

[Greencore]

What a stupid thing to say.

You're right, he will obviously be back packing in South America (with Ron?) with the massive pay off we promised.

[WhileTheChief..]

Although it's not a massive issue, it's just another reason for Hibs fans to turn on him if he doesn't get off to a good start.

The managerial appointment was an opportunity to galvanise the support, boost season ticket sales and raise expectations for next season. Don't think appointing LJ will tick any of those 3 boxes.

Will back him and would love to be proved wrong, but if appointed I think he could be gone quicker than Maloney.

Agree with every word.

Unfortunately.

Clinging to the hope this is just a really strong rumour. If the deal is done, RG should be taking a minute to himself before calling LJ to apologise for getting his hopes up.

I have never known our support to be so against a prospective manager. Calderwood and Fenlon were random appointments but I don't remember so many people being vocally against them from the off.

This is just horrible. Nothing about it all makes any sense to me.

[Broxburn Greens]

I wanted JDT as I thought he would be an exciting appointment and a massive statement of intent, I also knew that he would not be here long as the second any bigger club came calling he’d be off.

LJ has a decent record, I’ve already renewed my ST and if it is LJ he gets my 100% backing from day one, & I hope he can bring us the style of football we want along with a modicum of success.

People slating a guy before he’s even picked up the pen never mind letting the ink dry is nuts.

[JamesHFC]

https://twitter.com/HibbySmurf/status/1526892654943928320?t=iJErplw8ZyG1O-ekned9BA&s=19


A wee bit of an over reaction!

😂😂😂 embarrassing

[tonyrougier123]

It’s a yes man appointment if true.
Structure above all else it seems,even if the structure is one of the main contributing factors to the failure of this season.

I felt the same when we appointed Stubbs,that we were putting to much emphasis on behind scenes and too many structural appointments.
Went on to be one of my favourite times supporting hibs never a dull moment under Stubbs,highs and lows but never dull.
With that in mind here’s hoping Johnson can unite the support in the same way.
But let’s face it,this is Mr Gordon’s club and it’s his way of working we need to accept,for some it won’t be easy,some will quite literally kick and scream their way through his ownership of hibs.
I still trust the man means well for the club,I just hope he starts getting it right at some point.
This appointment is one that will need to win me over I’m afraid,because my starting point is a confused one.

Going forward we all know we don’t have the squad to bring success,and no matter how good a coach you bring in it won’t change the fact that the squad neeeds overhauled.
The player turnover will need to be high this summer and the right types of player,as in attitude and application as well as ability.
Signing players unable to cope with the pressure of playing with Hibernian will see the recruitment department continue to fail.

With all that in mind.

BACK YOUR MAN!

[McGruber]

At another time I think he would have been a decent appointment. Think post-Lennon when we had a good squad and a bit of momentum.

However, we are in dire need of a bit of excitement and ambition and this isn't it. We've finished in the bottom six for the first time in a full season post-promotion, the playing squad is extremely poor, we haven't beaten Hearts in almost three years and there are massive question marks over the ownership after a disastrous managerial change last season.

This is a critical juncture as far as Hibs' fortunes go for the forseeable future, and like it or not season ticket sales play a major part in that. Hibs fans are notoriously difficult to get back after they stop coming and this won't do it. He's also going to get a lot less time before any goodwill runs out.

This is a ship-steadying appointment, not a rebuilding one, and Johnson is going to have an enormous job on his hands winning the support of both the fans and the board that will have appointed him.

Agreed. Regardless of reactions on this forum and social media, the reality is this appointment is not capturing the imagination and season tickets take up will not get a boost. Starting from a devisive point is very difficult for anyone
The support is fractured. I don't see this brings anyone together. The way he comes across won't be for everyone either. He'll need to get of to a flyer next season to start to win some over

[easty]

Could you tell me why it is a good appointment? Might be good financially for LJ, but for us?

The guy managed Bristol City for 4 and a half years in the Championship. It’s no an easy league, and he didn’t have one of that big teams. Finished 18th, 17th, 11th, 8th and 12th. Before that he did well at Oldham and Barnsley in League 1.

I think he’s got a good CV. Better than most of the managers we’ve had that I can think of.

Failed at Sunderland…who doesn’t?

[Hibernian Verse]

https://twitter.com/HibbySmurf/status/1526892654943928320?t=iJErplw8ZyG1O-ekned9BA&s=19


A wee bit of an over reaction!

Look at his previous tweets, this is not an overreaction from him just more of the same.

Weird to put twitter likes over your support of the football club but that's the current state of affairs we are in.

[SaulGoodman]

https://twitter.com/HibbySmurf/status/1526892654943928320?t=iJErplw8ZyG1O-ekned9BA&s=19


A wee bit of an over reaction!

Attention seeking fanny.

[WhileTheChief..]

If the Board were to appoint Jurgen Klopp himself as our new Manager then there would still be posters on hear moaning their faces off.

It's the nature of Hibs net in recent times unfortunately.

No chance. Total 100% BS from you here.

Every single one of us would be jumping for joy if we got Klopp.

[easty]

https://twitter.com/HibbySmurf/status/1526892654943928320?t=iJErplw8ZyG1O-ekned9BA&s=19


A wee bit of an over reaction!

It’s ridiculous.

[Gordy M]

At another time I think he would have been a decent appointment. Think post-Lennon when we had a good squad and a bit of momentum.

However, we are in dire need of a bit of excitement and ambition and this isn't it. We've finished in the bottom six for the first time in a full season post-promotion, the playing squad is extremely poor, we haven't beaten Hearts in almost three years and there are massive question marks over the ownership after a disastrous managerial change last season.

This is a critical juncture as far as Hibs' fortunes go for the forseeable future, and like it or not season ticket sales play a major part in that. Hibs fans are notoriously difficult to get back after they stop coming and this won't do it. He's also going to get a lot less time before any goodwill runs out.

This is a ship-steadying appointment, not a rebuilding one, and Johnson is going to have an enormous job on his hands winning the support of both the fans and the board that will have appointed him.

But what if the board think he is the man to do all that. It appears he plays attacking football and has his teams where they should be, if not a bit higher? I get he isnt the most 'exciting' choice but i dont see where all the prophecies of doom are coming from??

[WhileTheChief..]

The guy managed Bristol City for 4 and a half years in the Championship. It’s no an easy league, and he didn’t have one of that big teams. Finished 18th, 17th, 11th, 8th and 12th. Before that he did well at Oldham and Barnsley in League 1.

I think he’s got a good CV. Better than most of the managers we’ve had that I can think of.

Failed at Sunderland…who doesn’t?

That hardly stands out as any sort of achievement really.

If we looked at every other manager in the Championship this year, is there anything that makes LJ stand out over the rest? Why him and not any of the others?

The best he has managed is to keep a mid-table side, mid-table!!

[GordonHFC]

25861
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Foosball should give you a clue

[SaulGoodman]

Breaking news, Hibs agree to not sign Lee Johnson amid rumours that 28 year long season ticket holder, pro brexit, anti “woke” Hibs fan Kenny Murphy has cancelled his direct debit.

[Vault Boy]

https://twitter.com/HibbySmurf/status/1526892654943928320?t=iJErplw8ZyG1O-ekned9BA&s=19


A wee bit of an over reaction!

Just give our rivals fuel to roast us mercilessly, eh. Weird thing to post publicly.

[tonyrougier123]

Breaking news, Hibs agree to not sign Lee Johnson amid rumours that 28 year long season ticket holder, pro brexit, anti “woke” Hibs fan Kenny Murphy has cancelled his direct debit.

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