Next Hibs Manager

[WhileTheChief..]

Guarantee there’s be 20,000 at his first home game if Keane is appointed

Remember the atmosphere at ER for Maloney's debut? Na, me neither.

Place was bouncing when we appointed Lennon though. I reckon it would be similar if Keane gets the gig.

If we go for Mackay or similar, I just don't see the wider fan base being enthused at all, and going to ER will remain being a chore for a lot of us.

[SlickShoes]

McInnes is probably the safest appointment we could make from the names mentioned. With the budget we have he’d have us top 6 no problem, football wouldn’t be great but we’d be reasonably consistent and he’d gradually improve us. After a couple of years fans would probably start to get frustrated that we’re not playing attractive enough football and hound him out.

People didn't even like Jack Ross after 1 year of playing like that, no chance the moaners would last a couple of years.

[MWHIBBIES]

McInnes (who was the obvious choice before Kensell thought he knew best and gave Maloney the gig), would want money to spend and doesn't strike me as being a "yes man", so that would rule him out on two counts.

Pity, as I venture he'd clear the deadwood from the playing staff in short order.

Alex Neil was the obvious choice.

[bigwheel]

Alex Neil was the obvious choice.

Was a no brainer last time - he may have said no , but can’t understand why we didn’t go for him. His record at Sunderland has been top notch

[MWHIBBIES]

Remember the atmosphere at ER for Maloney's debut? Na, me neither.

Place was bouncing when we appointed Lennon though. I reckon it would be similar if Keane gets the gig.

If we go for Mackay or similar, I just don't see the wider fan base being enthused at all, and going to ER will remain being a chore for a lot of us.

Unless Mackay does really well.

Do you think its possible it was bouncing for Lennon because we'd just won the scottish cup after 114 years and his first match was a big european one?

Gotta say, the fact you seem to need a big name former player in charge to want to go and support Hibs is weird. Surely you'd prefer a good manager?

[Coco Bryce]

Alex Neil was the obvious choice.

He was never coming back to Scotland.

[WeeRussell]

He was never coming back to Scotland.

No? I thought he would have been highly interested at that point.

Not now but obviously.

[HendoDelivered]

I get s bad feeling MM would be a Terry Butcher all over again.

[bigwheel]

He was never coming back to Scotland.

We seemly didn’t even test that though - and he would certainly have come back had it been Rangers or Celtic ..there’s no suggestion we even asked the question.

[Coco Bryce]

No? I thought he would have been highly interested at that point.

Not now but obviously.

Nope. He's well in the English merry-go-round mix now.

[Lago]

Nah McKay is not the answer. I’m talking purely on football terms.
Let's be honest there will always be a not the answer response to who ever is appointed, for a multitude of reasons. I can just hear the collective sigh of disappointment on here when the announcement comes.

[Since452]

Guarantee there’s be 20,000 at his first home game if Keane is appointed

There would be a huge turnout for his unveiling never mind first home game.

[Heisenberg]

Unless Mackay does really well.

Do you think its possible it was bouncing for Lennon because we'd just won the scottish cup after 114 years and his first match was a big european one?

Gotta say, the fact you seem to need a big name former player in charge to want to go and support Hibs is weird. Surely you'd prefer a good manager?

Was pretty much going to say the same. Lennon inherited possibly the best situation of any Hibs manager for as long as I can remember. John Collins maybe the closest to him in terms of what he got when he came in.

[CapitalGreen]

Remember the atmosphere at ER for Maloney's debut? Na, me neither.

Place was bouncing when we appointed Lennon though. I reckon it would be similar if Keane gets the gig.

If we go for Mackay or similar, I just don't see the wider fan base being enthused at all, and going to ER will remain being a chore for a lot of us.

Lennon’s first home game was our first European tie under the lights in 3 years and our first competitive game following our Scottish Cup final win while Maloney’s was a mid table tie, occurring mid-pandemic, directly following a league final loss. While I agree Lennon was a more successful appointment, the comparison between the atmosphere of the two games is stupid.

[Sioux]

We seemly didn’t even test that though - and he would certainly have come back had it been Rangers or Celtic ..there’s no suggestion we even asked the question.

There's no suggestion we didn't.

[Since452]

McInnes and Neil were missed opportunities. Especially McInnes who ended up at bloody Kilmarnock. Look at them now. Place is absolutley buzzing. A rookie may have been a decent appointent from a position of strength but we were in a hole and needed strong leadership to steer us through not a stab in the dark experiment. Still really annoys me when i think about it.

[Heisenberg]

McInnes and Neil were missed opportunities. Especially McInnes who ended up at bloody Kilmarnock. Look at them now. Place is absolutley buzzing. A rookie may have been a decent appointent from a position of strenth but we were in a hole and needed strong leadership to steer us through not a stab in the dark experiment. Still really annoys me when i think about it.

I’d still take McInnes now but guess that our chance has been missed.

[Montford]

McInnes and Neil were missed opportunities. Especially McInnes who ended up and bloody Kilmarnock. Look at them now. Place is absolutley buzzing. A rookie may have been a decent appointent from a position of strenth but we were in a hole and needed strong leadership to steer us through not a stab in the dark experiment. Still really annoys me when i think about it.

McInnes is absolute dross.
Lost about 8 finals and something like 12 semifinals
Struggled to get past Arbroath
And his football is eye bleed territory
Rangers, Hearts, Hibs we’re all out the league during his “successful “ tenure
Scraped a final on penalties after the worst possible safety first performance
It’s appointments like that which would see Hibs back to 8-9000 crowds

[SlickShoes]

McInnes and Neil were missed opportunities. Especially McInnes who ended up at bloody Kilmarnock. Look at them now. Place is absolutley buzzing. A rookie may have been a decent appointent from a position of strength but we were in a hole and needed strong leadership to steer us through not a stab in the dark experiment. Still really annoys me when i think about it.

As someone currently living just outside Killie, the place was not and is not buzzing. It was a huge night when they clinched the title but the jury is still out for many on McInnes, his form was marginally better than Tommy Wright, but the football hasn't been great with some brutal performances. They are still relying on Chris Burke bailing them out, which has been the case for multiple years now. I personally think they underperformed all season despite winning the league as they kept their premier league budget to try and get instant promotion but only ended up beating a part-time team by 2 points.

[GloryGlory]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-part-company-with-goalkeeping-coach-jon-busch-as-interim-appointment-made-3676991

David Mitchell taking the goalie warm ups till the end of the season.

Wonder if David Marshall could be offered a player-coach role to tempt him to ER?

[Nicho87]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-part-company-with-goalkeeping-coach-jon-busch-as-interim-appointment-made-3676991

David Mitchell taking the goalie warm ups till the end of the season.

Wonder if David Marshall could be offered a player-coach role to tempt him to ER?

Thought they were to ask a punter in the stand to hit shots in to macey for a warm up.

Said it before say it again.

Club is an absolute shambles currently

[Berwickhibby]

Ok…just passing what I heard…apparently there is going to be a big announcement this afternoon from Easter Road, my pals a private security guard and he has been called in to cover this today. :confused:

[Since452]

Ok…just passing what I heard…apparently there is going to be a big announcement this afternoon from Easter Road, my pals a private security guard and he has been called in to cover this today. :confused:

Interesting....

[SaulGoodman]

Ok…just passing what I heard…apparently there is going to be a big announcement this afternoon from Easter Road, my pals a private security guard and he has been called in to cover this today. :confused:

We’re announcing a joint venture with Scorpio Leisure since most people are used to watching us get ****ged every week anyway.

[HFC93]

Thought they were to ask a punter in the stand to hit shots in to macey for a warm up.

Said it before say it again.

Club is an absolute shambles currently

Can't believe that comedian is taking goalkeeper training.

[04Sauzee]

Ok…just passing what I heard…apparently there is going to be a big announcement this afternoon from Easter Road, my pals a private security guard and he has been called in to cover this today. :confused:

Do we normally have security guards when we make announcement?
Wonder what's going on.

[JamesHFC]

McInnes and Neil were missed opportunities. Especially McInnes who ended up at bloody Kilmarnock. Look at them now. Place is absolutley buzzing. A rookie may have been a decent appointent from a position of strength but we were in a hole and needed strong leadership to steer us through not a stab in the dark experiment. Still really annoys me when i think about it.

We approached Neil but he didn’t want it apparently.

[Hiber-nation]

Ok…just passing what I heard…apparently there is going to be a big announcement this afternoon from Easter Road, my pals a private security guard and he has been called in to cover this today. :confused:

David Marshall new keeper and goalie coach?

[LewysGot2]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-part-company-with-goalkeeping-coach-jon-busch-as-interim-appointment-made-3676991

David Mitchell taking the goalie warm ups till the end of the season.

Wonder if David Marshall could be offered a player-coach role to tempt him to ER?

Yeah, he took it on Saturday so figured the actual coach was away. Maybe a sign things are progressing off the field on different fronts. I can't see any deal with the likes of Marshall would have him both first team keeper and goalie coach. Maybe for the academy but not as his own coach.

[Jones28]

McInnes (who was the obvious choice before Kensell thought he knew best and gave Maloney the gig), would want money to spend and doesn't strike me as being a "yes man", so that would rule him out on two counts.

Pity, as I venture he'd clear the deadwood from the playing staff in short order.

And play ****ing awful football that was part of the reason folk were happy to see the back of Jack Ross.

[hibsforeurope]

Do we normally have security guards when we make announcement?
Wonder what's going on.

Ron's in town and is worried by all the negativity he's getting just now, wanted to feel safe watching the open training session.

[Greenworld]

Ok…just passing what I heard…apparently there is going to be a big announcement this afternoon from Easter Road, my pals a private security guard and he has been called in to cover this today. :confused:
New owner

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[Col L]

Do we normally have security guards when we make announcement?
Wonder what's going on.

It's the Open Training session this morning - was advertised for season ticket holders.

See for yourself how magic we are in training before forgetting everything they have been coached to do on a Saturday :greengrin

[Silky]

Thought they were to ask a punter in the stand to hit shots in to macey for a warm up.

Said it before say it again.

Club is an absolute shambles currently

Is it a bad decision, though. We've been on here for weeks questioning our goalkeeper. I know it's radical, but maybe he was a crap coach!

[Gaffer1875]

The more time goes on, I want Ronny Delia as our next manager.

Rationale
Has managed in Norway, Scotland and the US.
Has won something in each country.
Will no doubt have good connections across these countries as a minimum.
Current contract expires in 7 months.
45% win rate at NYC after 69 games.
Box office name to lift the fans and club

Added bonuses
We would get the Ronny Roar.
Tends to do crazy stuff like go topless when he achieves something.
His wife is pretty hot.


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[Jim44]

According to Betting odds.com, Michael Appleton is now 3/1 favourite. Haven’t seen him mentioned anywhere else.

[Coco Bryce]

According to Betting odds.com, Michael Appleton is now 3/1 favourite. Haven’t seen him mentioned anywhere else.

Went straight to favourite on Saturday night after leaving Lincoln.

Malky Mackay and Tony Mowbray also 3/1

[Dalianwanda]

The more time goes on, I want Ronny Delia as our next manager.

Rationale
Has managed in Norway, Scotland and the US.
Has won something in each country.
Will no doubt have good connections across these countries as a minimum.
Current contract expires in 7 months.
45% win rate at NYC after 69 games.
Box office name to lift the fans and club

Added bonuses
We would get the Ronny Roar.
Tends to do crazy stuff like go topless when he achieves something.
His wife is pretty hot.


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Out of everyone mentioned he’d be my choice ,though can’t see it happening.

[Coco Bryce]

The more time goes on, I want Ronny Delia as our next manager.

Rationale
Has managed in Norway, Scotland and the US.
Has won something in each country.
Will no doubt have good connections across these countries as a minimum.
Current contract expires in 7 months.
45% win rate at NYC after 69 games.
Box office name to lift the fans and club

Added bonuses
We would get the Ronny Roar.
Tends to do crazy stuff like go topless when he achieves something.
His wife is pretty hot.


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:greengrin

[Gaffer1875]

Out of everyone mentioned he’d be my choice ,though can’t see it happening.

Me neither but he’s my choice!


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[hibbyfraelibby]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-part-company-with-goalkeeping-coach-jon-busch-as-interim-appointment-made-3676991

David Mitchell taking the goalie warm ups till the end of the season.

Wonder if David Marshall could be offered a player-coach role to tempt him to ER?

Mitch was signed as a player/ coach and 3rd choice back up keeper much as Sammy was. No surprise as apparently rated as a developing coach. If Marshall comes in good. Young Debrowski will have a good teacher and mentor for when he takes over.

[04Sauzee]

The more time goes on, I want Ronny Delia as our next manager.

Rationale
Has managed in Norway, Scotland and the US.
Has won something in each country.
Will no doubt have good connections across these countries as a minimum.
Current contract expires in 7 months.
45% win rate at NYC after 69 games.
Box office name to lift the fans and club

Added bonuses
We would get the Ronny Roar.
Tends to do crazy stuff like go topless when he achieves something.
His wife is pretty hot.


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Would be ideal, I reckon it's going to be Lee Johnso that was at Sunderland.

[HFC93]

The more time goes on, I want Ronny Delia as our next manager.

Rationale
Has managed in Norway, Scotland and the US.
Has won something in each country.
Will no doubt have good connections across these countries as a minimum.
Current contract expires in 7 months.
45% win rate at NYC after 69 games.
Box office name to lift the fans and club

Added bonuses
We would get the Ronny Roar.
Tends to do crazy stuff like go topless when he achieves something.
His wife is pretty hot.


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Aye, Ronny Deila is going to give up a good thing in New York to come to Hibs right enough. Fantasy stuff.

[Coco Bryce]

Would be ideal, I reckon it's going to be Lee Johnso that was at Sunderland.

Guy who was at Hearts?

[I'm Spartacus]

Ok…just passing what I heard…apparently there is going to be a big announcement this afternoon from Easter Road, my pals a private security guard and he has been called in to cover this today. :confused:

I now think the worst thing we could do is appoint before the end of the season, please don't Ron :( Let SDG take the team and cut the new guy some slack. If you fire someone in and they lose 3 games then he's already onto a hiding with someone else's players and ZERO gain.

[Smartie]

Do we normally have security guards when we make announcement?
Wonder what's going on.

To be fair, we've never announced the appointment of the owner's son as team manager before.

[B.H.F.C]

I now think the worst thing we could do is appoint before the end of the season, please don't Ron :( Let SDG take the team and cut the new guy some slack. If you fire someone in and they lose 3 games then he's already onto a hiding with someone else's players and ZERO gain.

Even if we were to make an appointment this week (which I don’t think we will) I don’t think the new guy would be in charge for the remaining games.

[I'm Spartacus]

To be fair, we've never announced the appointment of the owner's son as team manager before.

Hahaha doing that laugh and cry thing at the same time :) :(

[04Sauzee]

Even if we were to make an appointment this week (which I don’t think we will) I don’t think the new guy would be in charge for the remaining games.

Think that's pretty much it. He will be in watching training, taking in the games, trawling old footage and talking with our recruitment team regarding signings.

Think we may have someone in late this week or early next week.

[Since452]

Think that's pretty much it. He will be in watching training, taking in the games, trawling old footage and talking with our recruitment team regarding signings.

Think we may have someone in late this week or early next week.

:agree: In a season of mistakes i actually think we're doing the right thing here.

[Coco Bryce]

To be fair, we've never announced the appointment of the owner's son as team manager before.

We never 'announced' it when he became Head of recruitment either.

[bingo70]

Think that's pretty much it. He will be in watching training, taking in the games, trawling old footage and talking with our recruitment team regarding signings.

Think we may have someone in late this week or early next week.

I think we really want to be getting them in asap but not taking over until pre-season.

Really want to be hitting the ground running next season and getting in a manager now will be ideal for letting them assess the squad and make plans for pre-season.

[Bobby's Cinema]

The more time goes on, I want Ronny Delia as our next manager.

Rationale
Has managed in Norway, Scotland and the US.
Has won something in each country.
Will no doubt have good connections across these countries as a minimum.
Current contract expires in 7 months.
45% win rate at NYC after 69 games.
Box office name to lift the fans and club

Added bonuses
We would get the Ronny Roar.
Tends to do crazy stuff like go topless when he achieves something.
His wife is pretty hot.


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Is Ronny Deila really a box office name?? My memory of him was a bit of a laughing stock figure and a celtic team with declining standards without the competition in the league and reaching new depths in europe.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

As the season comes to an end, there maybe some unexpected names who become available.

[Northernhibee]

Is Ronny Deila really a box office name?? My memory of him was a bit of a laughing stock figure and a celtic team with declining standards without the competition in the league and reaching new depths in europe.

I think it's probably fair to say that Rodgers, Lennon and now Postecoglou have all been backed a lot better by the board, probably because that's when Sevco returned to the top flight and they could no longer get away with not spending a lot of money.

[Mcbizz1998]

I now think the worst thing we could do is appoint before the end of the season, please don't Ron :( Let SDG take the team and cut the new guy some slack. If you fire someone in and they lose 3 games then he's already onto a hiding with someone else's players and ZERO gain.

We can appoint and announce with a view to them taking over in 3 weeks time. We should be getting someone appointed as we need a name to get behind and season ticket sales depend on it. I agree that person shouldn’t be taking over yet though.

But we must appoint someone and soon!

[Mcbizz1998]

Is Ronny Deila really a box office name?? My memory of him was a bit of a laughing stock figure and a celtic team with declining standards without the competition in the league and reaching new depths in europe.

Your memory is not great then. He is still held in a high regard by the Celtic support - he won leagues and cups.

He would absolutely be a box office name for Hibs. And unfortunately, there is no chance.

[I'm Spartacus]

Even if we were to make an appointment this week (which I don’t think we will) I don’t think the new guy would be in charge for the remaining games.


Think that's pretty much it. He will be in watching training, taking in the games, trawling old footage and talking with our recruitment team regarding signings.

Think we may have someone in late this week or early next week.


We can appoint and announce with a view to them taking over in 3 weeks time. We should be getting someone appointed as we need a name to get behind and season ticket sales depend on it. I agree that person shouldn’t be taking over yet though.

But we must appoint someone and soon!

Now that you guys put it like that! I'm in :)

[GreenCastle]

Surely there would be more managers available at the end of the season and a wider selection?

At the same time I get the get them in soon and assess what we have but I posted before you would expect any manager coming in to know what needs done and improved.

Most hibs punters know what’s needed so surely a professional will know!!

[bingo70]

https://www.transfermarkt.com/jan-jonsson/profil/trainer/4435/plus/1

Jan Jonsson is todays random foreigner who won’t get the job but helping me pass the time when I should be working.

Very experienced manager, recently worked in Norway (market we are very familiar with), has also managed in Japan though which is the tenuous link that made the name worth posting. With the job Ange did at Celtic after working in Japan, I wonder if working across there may be looked upon favourably.

Same time tomorrow for more nonsense.

[CapitalGreen]

I think we really want to be getting them in asap but not taking over until pre-season.

Really want to be hitting the ground running next season and getting in a manager now will be ideal for letting them assess the squad and make plans for pre-season.

Also, want to have someone agreed before other teams start sacking their managers at the end of the season. Off the top of my head, the below clubs down south will be or likely to be seeking managers from a similar pool of candidates to us.

Blackburn - Mowbray’s contract up
QPR - Warburton’s contract up
Lincoln - Appleton leaving
Reading - Ince contract up
Barnsley - no manager

Possibly:
Norwich - Relegated
Watford - Relegated
WBA - missed out on playoffs
Stoke - underperformed
Cardiff - underperformed
Derby - Rooney potentially leaving

[LunasBoots]

I don't think anyone will come in until the end of the season, who really would with whats currently on offer, whoever it is will also want assurances of being backed in the summer window quite rightly aswell, it's a big job.

[GordonHFC]

Lots of fancy cars and men in suits at Easter Road.

[Greencore]

Lots of fancy cars and men in suits at Easter Road.

Takeover 👀??

[04Sauzee]

Not Hibs manager stuff but Falkirk about to appoint John McGlynn

EXCLUSIVE! Falkirk close to appointing Raith Rovers boss John McGlynn as new manager | @ScottBurns75

https://t.co/6Gf7bIoJt5 https://t.co/8lL4dXffFS

[Silky]

Lots of fancy cars and men in suits at Easter Road.

Wedding?

[Coco Bryce]

Lots of fancy cars and men in suits at Easter Road.

KPMG :greengrin

[silverhibee]

We turn on all our managers. It's what we do.

It’s not just the managers though, players and owners are fair game as well, folk wanting Ron out the club if he doesn’t get things right, crazy, is there a queue of folk lining up to buy our club.

[hibsforeurope]

Lots of fancy cars and men in suits at Easter Road.

Ron's Motorcade bringing him in from the airport.

[LancsHibs]

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/hibernian-manager-odds-mowbray-latest-23840896

Tony Mowbray gathering pace?

[JohnM1875]

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/hibernian-manager-odds-mowbray-latest-23840896

Tony Mowbray gathering pace?

Appleton one of the favourites for the Blackburn job according to that as well.

[Coco Bryce]

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/hibernian-manager-odds-mowbray-latest-23840896

Tony Mowbray gathering pace?

Surely not :rolleyes:

We need to move forward not back.

[bingo70]

Surely not :rolleyes:

We need to move forward not back.

Nah, there’s no chance of it being Mowbray.

Fact is, nobody has a clue just now and there’s no clear favourite so bookies are just guessing.

[MWHIBBIES]

Surely not :rolleyes:

We need to move forward not back.

Yes, and getting in a manager who finished 3rd and 4th here before, then went onto get 2 promotions in England, would be a huge step forward

[Mr. Wonderful]

Surely not :rolleyes:

We need to move forward not back.

Sorry but you're mental if you wouldn't take a coach who knows and likes the club, knows the expectations, has an affinity with the support, has an eye for a player and who's sides who plays good, attacking football. Not to mention he's had about 16 years of development as a coach since he left.

With bells on for me. Won't happen though

[Since452]

I'd take Mowbray but only if we can get Bobby Williamson in first to lay the foundations 😉

[HibbyAndy]

Would take Mowbray in a heartbeat

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yes, and getting in a manager who finished 3rd and 4th here before, then went onto get 2 promotions in England, would be a huge step forward

:agree:

I don’t always get the clamour for an ex player/manager to take over as manager but equally I’m not understanding the clamour to not appoint an ex player/manager for no reason other than they’ve been here before (and done incredibly well).

[Barney McGrew]

Mowbray talked about wanting to spend time with his family when he left Blackburn, taking a job with us won’t let him do that

[MWHIBBIES]

Mowbray talked about wanting to spend time with his family when he left Blackburn, taking a job with us won’t let him do that

Indeed, I don't think it will happen, but he would be a excellent option. Very good, proven manager.

[Since452]

Mowbray talked about wanting to spend time with his family when he left Blackburn, taking a job with us won’t let him do that

Moving 200 miles up the road certainly wouldn't help that. Assuming he lives in the Blackburn area.

[ekhibee]

Yes, and getting in a manager who finished 3rd and 4th here before, then went onto get 2 promotions in England, would be a huge step forward

Although what you're saying is right, his managerial record is mixed, there's been a few blips along the way. Not sure that he'd want to manage Hibs at this time. could be wrong though.

[Brightside]

I now think the worst thing we could do is appoint before the end of the season, please don't Ron :( Let SDG take the team and cut the new guy some slack. If you fire someone in and they lose 3 games then he's already onto a hiding with someone else's players and ZERO gain.

We need a new manager pronto to boost ST sales.

[JimBHibees]

Would take Mowbray in a heartbeat

Absolutely

[Mr. Wonderful]

Although what you're saying is right, his managerial record is mixed, there's been a few blips along the way. Not sure that he'd want to manage Hibs at this time. could be wrong though.

We're hibs mate. A manager with a perfect record isn't coming here.


The current managers in the top 6 have way worse records than Mowbray does.

[GreenCastle]

Would need Mowbray and Venus.

The assistant is so important.

Not another Caldwell thanks.

[JimBHibees]

Would need Mowbray and Venus.

The assistant is so important.

Not another Caldwell thanks.

Agree is Venus with him at Blackburn

[Nicho87]

Mowbray would be delightful

Anyone not wanting mogga back - answers on a postcard

Great attacking football and will have learnt so much since leaving us

Mowbray
Keane
Mackay

My order of preference now

[Allant1981]

Agree is Venus with him at Blackburn

Prettu sure he is

[JimBHibees]

Prettu sure he is

👍

[Northernhibee]

Mowbray would be delightful

Anyone not wanting mogga back - answers on a postcard

Great attacking football and will have learnt so much since leaving us

Mowbray
Keane
Mackay

My order of preference now

Mowbray
Appleton
O'Neill

for me.

[bingo70]

Mowbray
Appleton
O'Neill

for me.

Of the names mentioned on this thread but not necessarily rumoured by any credible source I would go with…..

Graham Arnold
Ronny Delia
Knutsen

I’m annoyed at myself for saying the bottom 2 as I think they’re wildly unrealistic however I can’t think of other names that I think are as exciting.

FWIW I think it’ll be somebody not mentioned yet.

[bod]

Would take Mowbray in a heartbeat

I’d take Nick Berry or Greengrass

[Since452]

Mowbray
Appleton
O'Neill

for me.

Appleton missed his chance last time.

[JohnM1875]

Appleton missed his chance last time.

Dunno what it is about him but I just really hope it isn't him. I can't even really explain why.

[Alex Trager]

Of the names mentioned on this thread but not necessarily rumoured by any credible source I would go with…..

Graham Arnold
Ronny Delia
Knutsen

I’m annoyed at myself for saying the bottom 2 as I think they’re wildly unrealistic however I can’t think of other names that I think are as exciting.

FWIW I think it’ll be somebody not mentioned yet.

I’m going (all wildly unrealistic, but it’s my post and I’ll do what I want)

Yer boy from Malmö - Tomassen I think his name is.
Yer boy from Spain that you mentioned.
Yer boy from Norway that managed sellik
And the guy fi Sky

[hibsforeurope]

All these names being linked is just like being a loser on bullseye, it’ll be a case of
Look who you could have had. When we end up with Ian murray or SDG.

[Lago]

Takeover 👀??
Fingers crossed 🙏🤞

[Northernhibee]

Appleton missed his chance last time.

I think we're not in a position to turn him down if he's the right man right now.

[Silky]

We need a new manager pronto to boost ST sales.

What if that manager is one who is not fancied? There have been a lot of names mentioned on here, and a lot of posts either lamenting the person's record or just plain not wanting him. Given that, I'm not sure there is evidence it will boost sales.

[Mcbizz1998]

Dunno what it is about him but I just really hope it isn't him. I can't even really explain why.

I’m the same. That would be a massive “meh” imo.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Fingers crossed 🙏🤞

Hopefully not, unless someone is going to plot mega money into us.

Last season we were 3rd and in two finals. When did that last happen before then? Can’t recall too many people moaning about Ron then.

[Mcbizz1998]

Ok…just passing what I heard…apparently there is going to be a big announcement this afternoon from Easter Road, my pals a private security guard and he has been called in to cover this today. :confused:

Take this was nonsense then? What was your pal called in for?

[Smartie]

I’d be surprised if we made an announcement soon, and I’d be surprised if it was anyone who has been mentioned yet.

[JamesHFC]

Still nothing from the media on Lee Johnson then?

[Aldo]

We need a new manager pronto to boost ST sales.

And a marquee signing!!!!


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[bod]

What if that manager is one who is not fancied? There have been a lot of names mentioned on here, and a lot of posts either lamenting the person's record or just plain not wanting him. Given that, I'm not sure there is evidence it will boost sales.

I’ll still renew regardless of who it is

[Hibbyradge]

Would need Mowbray and Venus.

The assistant is so important.

Not another Caldwell thanks.

Is the assistant really so important? :dunno:

I bet most people couldn't name Klopp or Guardiola's assistants.

In fact, name the assistant would be a really tough quiz even in the SPFL.

[bigwheel]

Is the assistant really so important? :dunno:

I bet most people couldn't name Klopp or Guardiola's assistants.

Just because they can’t name them, doesn’t mean they are less important though …I suspect they will be very important ..Beale is recognised as being key as part of Gerrards team for example . Look how Stubbs has struggled without Taff and Doolan ..

[JamesHFC]

Is the assistant really so important? :dunno:

I bet most people couldn't name Klopp or Guardiola's assistants.

In fact, name the assistant would be a really tough quiz even in the SPFL.

I think Doolan and Taffy were a vital part of the Stubbs era. Apparently Kennedy at Celtic and Beale at Rangers are/were also very important according to people at those club.

[Hibbyradge]

Just because they can’t name them, doesn’t mean they are less important though …I suspect they will be very important ..Beale is recognised as being key as part of Gerrards team for example . Look how Stubbs has struggled without Taff and Doolan ..

I would have thought that the main benefit of having an assistant is that they've got someone to bounce ideas off.

Folk are dissing Caldwell, but do we know what role he played? And was he any good at it?

[Stuart93]

Take this was nonsense then? What was your pal called in for?

Would’ve been for the training open day no?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is the assistant really so important? :dunno:

I bet most people couldn't name Klopp or Guardiola's assistants.

In fact, name the assistant would be a really tough quiz even in the SPFL.

I think they’re vitally important but I’m not convinced anyone on here can really say with any authority what assistants are good and what ones aren’t.

Caldwell has been slated on here as being a pish assistant but I bet nobody can tell you why, it’s just become the done thing to say it.

[CropleyWasGod]

I would have thought that the main benefit of having an assistant is that they've got someone to bounce ideas off.

Folk are dissing Caldwell, but do we know what role he played? And was he any good at it?

Apparently every time Maloney threw an idea at him, it bounced off his knee and went out for a shy.

[04Sauzee]

Rumours earlier that Alexander was leaving Motherwell today.

Now rumours they are having a board meeting at 7pm

We better not have 😁

[JimBHibees]

Apparently every time Maloney threw an idea at him, it bounced off his knee and went out for a shy.

:greengrin

[Berwickhibby]

Take this was nonsense then? What was your pal called in for?

Apparently some meet and greet with businessmen in suits

[greenlex]

Apparently every time Maloney threw an idea at him, it bounced off his knee and went out for a shy.
:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[greenlex]

Is the assistant really so important? :dunno:

I bet most people couldn't name Klopp or Guardiola's assistants.

In fact, name the assistant would be a really tough quiz even in the SPFL.
Klopps assistant is called pep.

[JimBHibees]

I would have thought that the main benefit of having an assistant is that they've got someone to bounce ideas off.

Folk are dissing Caldwell, but do we know what role he played? And was he any good at it?

Bounce ideas off and more importantly someone you can trust and provide support

[bigwheel]

I would have thought that the main benefit of having an assistant is that they've got someone to bounce ideas off.

Folk are dissing Caldwell, but do we know what role he played? And was he any good at it?

No idea about GC..

Ideas will definitely be one dimension . Think their role depends on the manager . Some managers are very hands on coaches , others less so and the assistant plays that role . Some managers want a likeable character who can bond well with the players , be a link between them and the management …Potter was one of those …

[Libby Hibby]

Rumours earlier that Alexander was leaving Motherwell today.

Now rumours they are having a board meeting at 7pm

We better not have 😁

I quite like him.

[Lago]

I quite like him.
Don't just don't 😂

[FitbaFolkKen]

I’ll still renew regardless of who it is

It'll never catch on

[CentreLine]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-part-company-with-goalkeeping-coach-jon-busch-as-interim-appointment-made-3676991

David Mitchell taking the goalie warm ups till the end of the season.

Wonder if David Marshall could be offered a player-coach role to tempt him to ER?

If I was a betting man I might put money on that. Think it has to be a real possibility

[GreenCastle]

If I was a betting man I might put money on that. Think it has to be a real possibility

Macey will go I reckon.

Marshall will come in but he can’t do the coach role as that means he’s undroppable.

Question is though do we want a 37 year old ? For me he’s better than Macey so that would be positive.

He’s currently injured with hamstring injury though.

[Percy Vere]

We're hibs mate. A manager with a perfect record isn't coming here.


The current managers in the top 6 have way worse records than Mowbray does.

Who are these managers with perfect records anyway?

[Unseen work]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-mowbray-joins-next-hibs-26852534

Ron coming over on Saturday, thought he was already here/coming start of the week.

Hopefully get some movement soon

[bingo70]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-mowbray-joins-next-hibs-26852534

Ron coming over on Saturday, thought he was already here/coming start of the week.

Hopefully get some movement soon

I think that story is out of date as I thought the same as you.

Also, the stuff about Mowbray is click bait nonsense.

[Dr_Regal]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-mowbray-joins-next-hibs-26852534

Ron coming over on Saturday, thought he was already here/coming start of the week.

Hopefully get some movement soon

Tony Mowbray
Michael Appleton
Roy Keane
Malky Mackay
Kevin Thomson
Phillip Cocu
Paul Clement

If for some miracle the DR was in the know, thats a pretty good shortlist IMO.

If I had to pick, probably go with Keane, he would provide such a boost to the whole club, and something feels right about it for both parties.
Philip Cocu had a tough time of it with Derby but has won Dutch Championships as a manager, wouldnt mind seeing some dutchies in the team.
Mowbray will not be travelling anytime soon given his recent interviews.
Appleton by most accounts is a pretty good manager.

[Coco Bryce]

It's not Keane according to reports today.

Saying he wouldn't work with Hibs recruitment committee :rolleyes:

[Broken Gnome]

It's not Keane according to reports today.

Saying he wouldn't work with Hibs recruitment committee :rolleyes:

That might well be true, but do find it amazing that the little message boards begin to criticise suddenly end up becoming the source of blame for everything that could conceivably go wrong.

[I'm Spartacus]

Ok…just passing what I heard…apparently there is going to be a big announcement this afternoon from Easter Road, my pals a private security guard and he has been called in to cover this today. :confused:


So we can file this under 'PISH' !

[HH81]

We could do with some good news on this front soon.

This week please.

[Coco Bryce]

That might well be true, but do find it amazing that the little message boards begin to criticise suddenly end up becoming the source of blame for everything that could conceivably go wrong.

It never mentioned Hibs.net :greengrin

[Montford]

Appleton is Heckingbottom mark II
And will end exactly the same way
Dwindling crowds and eventually punted

The fact he knocked us back should mean he’s nowhere near that shortlist.
Sends out the wrong message as what we are as a club

[Since452]

Appleton is Heckingbottom mark II
And will end exactly the same way
Dwindling crowds and eventually punted

The fact he knocked us back should mean he’s nowhere near that shortlist.
Sends out the wrong message as what we are as a club

Totally agree. Going back cap in hand to Appleton who rejected us? Nah not for me. Mind you nothing surprises me with Hibs at the minute.

[Greenworld]

So we can file this under 'PISH' !Pmsl nice summary [emoji108]

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[Smartie]

Appleton is Heckingbottom mark II
And will end exactly the same way
Dwindling crowds and eventually punted

The fact he knocked us back should mean he’s nowhere near that shortlist.
Sends out the wrong message as what we are as a club

The fact that we punted Jack Ross after finishing 3rd and getting to another cup final then punted a rookie manager 4 months into his reign straight after, might suggest that Appleton showed good judgment to knock us back for the reasons he knocked us back.

[Keith_M]

Michael Appleton.

[GloryGlory]

Michael Appleton.

What about him?

[Callum_62]

Appleton is Heckingbottom mark II
And will end exactly the same way
Dwindling crowds and eventually punted

The fact he knocked us back should mean he’s nowhere near that shortlist.
Sends out the wrong message as what we are as a clubWhy is he hecky mark 2?

I thought he generally has his teams playing a very attractive style?

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[The Harp Awakes]

Why is he hecky mark 2?

I thought he generally has his teams playing a very attractive style?

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Whether he does or he doesn't, he finished 17th with the mighty Lincoln. Sounds like a a poor man's Hecky. Brilliant, he will get the ST's flying out the door :rolleyes:

[Gordy M]

Whether he does or he doesn't, he finished 17th with the mighty Lincoln. Sounds like a a poor man's Hecky. Brilliant, he will get the ST's flying out the door :rolleyes:

I think he may be the fav for the Blackburn job, so probably wont end up here.

[04Sauzee]

Whether he does or he doesn't, he finished 17th with the mighty Lincoln. Sounds like a a poor man's Hecky. Brilliant, he will get the ST's flying out the door :rolleyes:

Charging a tenner for season tickets would get then flying out the door. Doesn't make it a good idea though.

[SlickShoes]

Why is he hecky mark 2?

I thought he generally has his teams playing a very attractive style?

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It's because he is English basically, probably as far as the people suggesting it are willing to stretch their brain.

As an aside, Hecky is doing quite well since leaving Hibs, he has Sheff United in the playoff spots currently and could very well be managing in the Premier League again next season.

[Callum_62]

Whether he does or he doesn't, he finished 17th with the mighty Lincoln. Sounds like a a poor man's Hecky. Brilliant, he will get the ST's flying out the door :rolleyes:Didn't he lead them to there highest league finish... Ever?

Missing out on promotion to Blackpool in the playoff final?

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[Unseen work]

Whether he does or he doesn't, he finished 17th with the mighty Lincoln. Sounds like a a poor man's Hecky. Brilliant, he will get the ST's flying out the door :rolleyes:

You’ve kind of made the point yourself that he done a good job.

He was the manager of Lincoln…..

Getting them to the play off final was unbelievable and even this year 17th is viewed as good. Fans are gutted to see him leave based on their forum.

He got them playing brilliant football and recruited really well due to his connections.

[Steven79]

You’ve kind of made the point yourself that he done a good job.

He was the manager of Lincoln…..

Getting them to the play off final was unbelievable and even this year 17th is viewed as good. Fans are gutted to see him leave based on their forum.

He got them playing brilliant football and recruited really well due to his connections.

Pointless if the new Hibs manager isn't allowed to bring players in...

[JimBHibees]

It's not Keane according to reports today.

Saying he wouldn't work with Hibs recruitment committee :rolleyes:

:greengrin

[Spudster]

Pointless if the new Hibs manager isn't allowed to bring players in...

Why would a new Hibs manager not be allowed to bring players in?

[sauzeelegod]

If there’s any chance at all of Mowbray coming back I would be delighted.

Genuinely some of the best attacking football we’ve played in my lifetime.

3rd place then 4th place finishes if I remember right too.

[Scotty Leither]

Whether he does or he doesn't, he finished 17th with the mighty Lincoln. Sounds like a a poor man's Hecky. Brilliant, he will get the ST's flying out the door :rolleyes:

He'll be cheap, that'll the main driver.

[AgentDaleCooper]

really hope we can get mowbray, and not for sentimental reasons - he's experienced, plays a brand of football that will appease the section of our support who think we are Barcelona, and has had success at a higher level than the SPFL, even if it didn't work out for him at Celtic.

although his being a former manager here shouldn't be a factor, I always felt he left Hibs with unfinished business here.

[I'm Spartacus]

really hope we can get mowbray, and not for sentimental reasons - he's experienced, plays a brand of football that will appease the section of our support who think we are Barcelona, and has had success at a higher level than the SPFL, even if it didn't work out for him at Celtic.

although his being a former manager here shouldn't be a factor, I always felt he left Hibs with unfinished business here.

I would prefer we were Real to Barca to be honest!

[The Harp Awakes]

You’ve kind of made the point yourself that he done a good job.

He was the manager of Lincoln…..

Getting them to the play off final was unbelievable and even this year 17th is viewed as good. Fans are gutted to see him leave based on their forum.

He got them playing brilliant football and recruited really well due to his connections.

I think that's an overly positive spin. I really don't see how Appleton is qualified enough to take on the Hibs job, particularly at a time when it is such a crucial appointment.

Add in the widely reported account that he turned us down the last time because we weren't offering enough severence pay if he was sacked, then I can't see him being a popular appointment with the vast majority of Hibs fans.

Every managerial appointment is a risk of course and who knows, he could be a success. However, for the reasons given I think he would get the bullet quicker than Maloney if he wasn't an instant success.

Not all Hibs fans will agree on who is the right appointment, but it has to be a person who the majority of fans can get behind. I don’t think Appleton is in that category.

[Spudster]

Would be happy with Mowbray but I fear that we don't have anything like the calibre of player coming through like last time (Riordan, O'Connor, Murray, Whittaker, Fletcher, Brown, Thomson) as well as some seasoned pro's (Glass, Gary Smith) and some brilliant recruitment (Boozy, Murphy, Shiels, Caldwell).

[The Harp Awakes]

If there’s any chance at all of Mowbray coming back I would be delighted.

Genuinely some of the best attacking football we’ve played in my lifetime.

3rd place then 4th place finishes if I remember right too.

Wouldn't be my first choice, but I do think he is in the category 'most fans would get behind' which is crucial.

[Ollie Reed]

Would be happy with Mowbray but I fear that we don't have anything like the calibre of player coming through like last time (Riordan, O'Connor, Murray, Whittaker, Fletcher, Brown, Thomson) as well as some seasoned pro's (Glass, Gary Smith) and some brilliant recruitment (Boozy, Murphy, Shiels, Caldwell).

I'm sure Mowbray would find a few gems like he did before. But yes, he'd have an even bigger job this time around.

[flash]

He'll be cheap, that'll the main driver.

No offence but you really are a monumental bore.

What do you base your comment on?

[Mr. Wonderful]

I'm sure Mowbray would find a few gems like he did before. But yes, he'd have an even bigger job this time around.

He's actually have some cash this time though.

[Since452]

I'm sure Mowbray would find a few gems like he did before. But yes, he'd have an even bigger job this time around.

Did Donald Park not find the gems?

[bigwheel]

Did Donald Park not find the gems?

I’m guessing they are talking about the likes of Boozy, David Murphy etc …

[Ollie Reed]

I’m guessing they are talking about the likes of Boozy, David Murphy etc …

Correct and thank you :)

He'll have even better connections now too.

[I'm Spartacus]

Did Donald Park not find the gems?

We've had enough Midget Gems for one season already!

[superfurryhibby]

No offence but you really are a monumental bore.

What do you base your comment on?

Most of our managerial appointments over the past 40 years say?

[hibee-boys]

Have I missed something, didn’t Mowbray come out and say he wanted to spend more time with family?🤔

[The Harp Awakes]

Have I missed something, didn’t Mowbray come out and say he wanted to spend more time with family?🤔

Yes. Which goes to show that the papers and the bookies havny got a clue who the next Manager will be. Probably because Ron, Ian & Ben don't know either.

[mayo hibee]

I really don't see how Appleton is qualified enough to take on the Hibs job, particularly at a time when it is such a crucial appointment.

Add in the widely reported account that he turned us down the last time because we weren't offering enough severence pay if he was sacked, then I can't see him being a popular appointment with the vast majority of Hibs fans.


I don't think people are thinking through this severance pay thing with Appleton the right way. The consensus seems to be that he turned us down because he wanted a bigger payoff - so therefore he was more interested in the money than in managing Hibs.

But I'd be amazed if the financial aspect of an extra 8 months pay made a big difference to him being honest. I remember an interview with him around that time where he spoke of conversations with Alex Ferguson who told him to choose his managerial clubs carefully and only sign with a club that you know are going to back you up and not punt you at the first sign of trouble.

I'd say that had a lot more to do with Appleton's decision than anything else - he won't be short of a few quid so it's far more likely he wanted the 12 month payoff in his contract to give him confidence that the club would back him - and so when they refused it he walked away.

Which was probably the right thing for him to do at that point being honest. This time around we've just come off two quick sackings, so the board almost have to back the next guy, or they will just end up looking even worse than they already do. This time he may well get the backing he wants.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Yes. Which goes to show that the papers and the bookies havny got a clue who the next Manager will be. Probably because Ron, Ian & Ben don't know either.

Nice dig.

[Bobby's Cinema]

This must be the first season for a while we've had nothing to play for season over so early with 4/5 games left. It's dire.

Need an appointment that's going to really lift the place.

[leith lynx]

Did Donald Park not find the gems?

John Park?

[Heisenberg]

Someone at the club obviously been on at the EEN to try and squash the Keane rumours.

https://t.co/KGq04AbM9t

[04Sauzee]

Someone at the club obviously been on at the EEN to try and squash the Keane rumours.

https://t.co/KGq04AbM9t

When did Kent Nielsen get linked with the job. Does anybody know anything about him?

[Since452]

Someone at the club obviously been on at the EEN to try and squash the Keane rumours.

https://t.co/KGq04AbM9t

I'm surprised they've not even wanted to talk to Keane. Bit disappointed by that.

[Percy Vere]

I think he may be the fav for the Blackburn job, so probably wont end up here.

I don’t get the interest in Appleton. He’s done nothing of note but lurch from one decent job to the next. Other than a good spell with Oxford his record is mediocre. No thanks. Uninspiring and unqualified.

[Callum_62]

I don’t get the interest in Appleton. He’s done nothing of note but lurch from one decent job to the next. Other than a good spell with Oxford his record is mediocre. No thanks. Uninspiring and unqualified.Leading Lincoln to the promotion playoff last season is borderline miraculous

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[mayo hibee]

I don’t get the interest in Appleton. He’s done nothing of note but lurch from one decent job to the next. Other than a good spell with Oxford his record is mediocre. No thanks. Uninspiring and unqualified.

Did extremely well with Lincoln also. In terms of budget they should have been nowhere near the League 1 playoff final, which is where he got them to last season.

It's rare that a manager leaves a club with the best wishes of the fans and the board, which is what he has managed to do after his three years at Lincoln. He probably won't end up being the next Hibs manager but there have been far less suitable candidates linked than him.

[hulk]

Someone at the club obviously been on at the EEN to try and squash the Keane rumours.

https://t.co/KGq04AbM9t

If Keane has shown any interest really disappointed our club
don’t think it’s worth a chat to explore further.
He must tick a lot of the boxes that’s fans have but looks like the criteria that Ron and Ben use is different from ours.

[SlickShoes]

If Keane has shown any interest really disappointed our club
don’t think it’s worth a chat to explore further.
He must tick a lot of the boxes that’s fans have but looks like the criteria that Ron and Ben use is different from ours.

Or he was never interested, didn't apply, and was never even in the running at any point.

[Percy Vere]

Is Knutsen at Bodo Glimt a possibility?
Highly thought of and can work with a tight budget.
He would get ST sales going I reckon.

[Callum_62]

Is Knutsen at Bodo Glimt a possibility?
Highly thought of and can work with a tight budget.
He would get ST sales going I reckon.Highly doubt he's at our level now

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[Since452]

A bit deflated it isn't going to be Keane to be honest. Would have been some ride.

Malky Mackay or Derek McInnes for me now. Would take Mowbray but unlikely.

[mayo hibee]

Or he was never interested, didn't apply, and was never even in the running at any point.

Or he was interested but Hibs took a look at his CV, saw a consistent catalog of complete and utter failure and quickly moved on to other options.

[The Harp Awakes]

Or he was never interested, didn't apply, and was never even in the running at any point.

Who knows for sure. After the Times broke the story mentioning his interest, there was a 3 or 4 day period of inactivity before the media seemed to backtrack on the prospect.

I think if the Times article was completely off the mark Keane/his representatives would have shot it down right away. Sounds like there's either been a lack of interest shown by the club, or there's been some discussions which led to nothing.

[Dr_Regal]

Philip Cocu style is about the polar opposite of what Maloney was trying to do, that will do for me.

[CockneyRebel]

Or he was interested but Hibs took a look at his CV, saw a consistent catalog of complete and utter failure and quickly moved on to other options.


Simply not true. Not the best CV in the world but your description is just made up.

[mayo hibee]

Simply not true. Not the best CV in the world but your description is just made up.

Getting Sunderland promoted in his first season 15 years ago is literally his only success. Straight failure since then. Was subsequently sacked by them as they were headed for relegation. Then got the Ipswich job with a view to getting them promoted to the Premier League, failed there also and was sacked with them one place above the relegation places to League 1.

Then had a disastrous stint as Ireland number 2 where he consistently fell out with players and became the centre of attention even though O'Neill was actually the manager. It's rare to see a number 2 become the centre of attention in the way he did, and not in a good way. Despite being an Irish football legend literally every Ireland fan was glad when he left the role and no-one would ever want him back.

So yes, I stand by my description. There are few people in football less suited to being a manager than Roy Keane.

I can only assume that the support for him here is based on his playing career and maybe that he's good value ranting and raving as a Sky pundit and that most don't know much about him as a manager. Because, believe me, if they did they wouldn't want him anywhere near Easter Road.

[leithsansiro]

Obviously the board have got their own managerial targets, but I was bored and armed with a laptop with internet access so I had a look for which exotic names might be available to us (before we get lumbered with Steve Kean…)


Age Hareide - former Rosenborg manager, left at the end of 2021. Before that, he was Denmark manager up until qualifying for the postponed Euro 20. Win percentage throughout his career of 48.5%. 68 year old but maybe a man who’s in a position to control things properly
Lars Bohinen - former Sarpsborg manager in Norway, left in Dec 21, former player with Nottingham Forest in the 90s. Only managed in Norway’s top flight but knows the British culture and style well. Win percentage rate of 52%
Jon Dahl Tomasson - former Malmo manager in Sweden, left in Dec 21. Has only got a couple of manager jobs under his belt, but notably won the Swedish top flight in 2020 with Malmo and then took them into the group stages of the Champions league. Win rate of about 48%
Gennaro Gattuso - former Napoli manager, left in June 21, former player with The Rangers so knows the Scottish culture. Was briefly due to be the Fiorentina manager but that fell through last summer and has been out of work since.


Probably all pie in the sky stuff, but you never know…

[Paulie Walnuts]

Obviously the board have got their own managerial targets, but I was bored and armed with a laptop with internet access so I had a look for which exotic names might be available to us (before we get lumbered with Steve Kean…)


Age Hareide - former Rosenborg manager, left at the end of 2021. Before that, he was Denmark manager up until qualifying for the postponed Euro 20. Win percentage throughout his career of 48.5%. 68 year old but maybe a man who’s in a position to control things properly
Lars Bohinen - former Sarpsborg manager in Norway, left in Dec 21, former player with Nottingham Forest in the 90s. Only managed in Norway’s top flight but knows the British culture and style well. Win percentage rate of 52%
Jon Dahl Tomasson - former Malmo manager in Sweden, left in Dec 21. Has only got a couple of manager jobs under his belt, but notably won the Swedish top flight in 2020 with Malmo and then took them into the group stages of the Champions league. Win rate of about 48%
Gennaro Gattuso - former Napoli manager, left in June 21, former player with The Rangers so knows the Scottish culture. Was briefly due to be the Fiorentina manager but that fell through last summer and has been out of work since.


Probably all pie in the sky stuff, but you never know…

Now we’re talking :agree:

[Unseen work]

Philip Cocu style is about the polar opposite of what Maloney was trying to do, that will do for me.

Have a read about what the Derby fans said about him and I don’t think you could get closer to his style if you tried.

“Slow possession based football”
“Don’t create a lot”
“Players aren’t good enough to play his style”
“Boring”

Were common phrases I came across when reading up about his time there

[WhileTheChief..]

I'd take any of these based purely on the info you've provided :greengrin

It's all gone way too quiet.

In the past I'd have hoped for a rabbit out the hat type appointment.

This time around, the longer it's taking, the excitement is fading and being replaced with a kinda dread / fear for who we're gonna end up with!

[04Sauzee]

Obviously the board have got their own managerial targets, but I was bored and armed with a laptop with internet access so I had a look for which exotic names might be available to us (before we get lumbered with Steve Kean…)


Age Hareide - former Rosenborg manager, left at the end of 2021. Before that, he was Denmark manager up until qualifying for the postponed Euro 20. Win percentage throughout his career of 48.5%. 68 year old but maybe a man who’s in a position to control things properly
Lars Bohinen - former Sarpsborg manager in Norway, left in Dec 21, former player with Nottingham Forest in the 90s. Only managed in Norway’s top flight but knows the British culture and style well. Win percentage rate of 52%
Jon Dahl Tomasson - former Malmo manager in Sweden, left in Dec 21. Has only got a couple of manager jobs under his belt, but notably won the Swedish top flight in 2020 with Malmo and then took them into the group stages of the Champions league. Win rate of about 48%
Gennaro Gattuso - former Napoli manager, left in June 21, former player with The Rangers so knows the Scottish culture. Was briefly due to be the Fiorentina manager but that fell through last summer and has been out of work since.


Probably all pie in the sky stuff, but you never know…
Lars Bohinen sounds interesting.

[Dazzjw1875]

Just seen jonathan woodgate and some guy Vladimir Ivic? had been mentioned by some random on twitter as someone we supposed talked with in London.

[Alex Trager]

Just seen jonathan woodgate and some guy Vladimir Ivic? had been mentioned by some random on twitter as someone we supposed talked with in London.

Quick wiki check suggests the boy Ivic is a decent manager.

61% win ratio.

Managed:
PAOK 2016-2017 57%
Maccabi Tel Aviv 2018-2020 69%
Watford 4 months in 2020 41%

[Unseen work]

Just seen jonathan woodgate and some guy Vladimir Ivic? had been mentioned by some random on twitter as someone we supposed talked with in London.

https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/19613619.troy-deeney-opens-vladimir-ivics-time-watford-new-book/

Going by Deeney’s comments Hibs players would hate him

[CapitalGreen]

https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/19613619.troy-deeney-opens-vladimir-ivics-time-watford-new-book/

Going by Deeney’s comments Hibs players would hate him

Reading Deeney’s description of his methods, they sound exactly like what many want Keane to come in and do.

[Willis1875]

This place has gone mental with win % stats 🤣

[Lester B]

This place has gone mental with win % stats 🤣

Browsing the board in general I think it's just gone mental full stop

[SaulGoodman]

Browsing the board in general I think it's just gone mental full stop

The boards mental stats are up at 84%

[Jones28]

The boards mental stats are up at 84%

There we go, accepting mediocrity again.

[Lester B]

The boards mental stats are up at 84%

....and rising

[Dr_Regal]

Have a read about what the Derby fans said about him and I don’t think you could get closer to his style if you tried.

“Slow possession based football”
“Don’t create a lot”
“Players aren’t good enough to play his style”
“Boring”

Were common phrases I came across when reading up about his time there
https://www.squawka.com/en/phillip-cocu-tactics-style-derby-county-manager/?amp

[Unseen work]

https://www.squawka.com/en/phillip-cocu-tactics-style-derby-county-manager/?amp

Without doubt that reads very promising and sounds like what we all want.

But going by Twitter (I know 😅) a lot of Derby fans never seemed a fan of ‘Cocuball’

[Heisenberg]

Appleton in contention and Darren Ferguson had a meeting but unlikely to be taken further.

https://bit.ly/3w4YgdQ

[JohnM1875]

Appleton in contention and Darren Ferguson had a meeting but unlikely to be taken further.

https://bit.ly/3w4YgdQ

**** sake. Really don't want it to be Appleton.

[JimBHibees]

Appleton in contention and Darren Ferguson had a meeting but unlikely to be taken further.

https://bit.ly/3w4YgdQ

Would be wary of being strung along by Appleton again especially when a number of championship jobs available

[Alex Trager]

Appleton in contention and Darren Ferguson had a meeting but unlikely to be taken further.

https://bit.ly/3w4YgdQ

Wonder is Patrick McP will confirm this. He’s the only source I trust to be honest.

Shame that more names aren’t coming out of the blue

[bingo70]

**** sake. Really don't want it to be Appleton.

I think it’s clear nobody has a clue who it’s going to be so papers are just throwing out their semi educated guesses. Even when names are linked it’s all so vague.

FWIW Michael Appleton has done an excellent job from what I can tell at Oxford and Lincoln. Wouldn’t be my first choice but wouldn’t be too disappointed.

[Scooter]

https://www.squawka.com/en/phillip-cocu-tactics-style-derby-county-manager/?amp

If you watch his 1st interview as derby boss he pretty much says all this himself and says alot of things we were screaming from Maloney. Like playing to the ability of the players you have

[Callum_62]

I think it’s clear nobody has a clue who it’s going to be so papers are just throwing out their semi educated guesses. Even when names are linked it’s all so vague.

FWIW Michael Appleton has done an excellent job from what I can tell at Oxford and Lincoln. Wouldn’t be my first choice but wouldn’t be too disappointed.Yep, he based on what he's done he would be one of the better candidates

Don't care if we couldn't agree a deal with him last time or not

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[Heisenberg]

Wonder is Patrick McP will confirm this. He’s the only source I trust to be honest.

Shame that more names aren’t coming out of the blue

He is the only one that seems to have a direct link to the club. If it’s nonesense we’ll likely hear about it from him.

Appleton has a decent record at Lincoln and Oxford but bumping us last time puts me off a bit.

[mayo hibee]

Would be happy with Appleton, his teams play good attacking football and he's not afraid to throw in a few younger lads, so what's not to like? Think he'd be a good fit. As I posted yesterday I think a lot of people have misunderstood what happened last time he was in for the job, I'd imagine he will clear that up if he gets the position.

I see Paul Clement mentioned also, plenty of top level experience as a coach but no management success and known for a boring, negative style of play. Definitely not what we're looking for.

It will end up being either Appleton or Malky Mackay I'd say. Or Mowbray at a push but he'll probably command a higher wage somewhere else.

[Since452]

I'm not going to fret over this. It'll be who it'll be. It's going to be someone with managerial experience so I'm happy to back whoever it is.

[Green Reaper]

I'm not going to fret over this. It'll be who it'll be. It's going to be someone with managerial experience so I'm happy to back whoever it is.

I feel much the same. Radio silence from Hibs regarding the candidates and that’s how it should be until the new boss is announced.

[LancsHibs]

Don’t fancy Appleton as manager at all, think he’s a very ordinary manager. Yes he had unfancied Lincoln in the League 1 play off final the season before last but has followed it up this season with a very unremarkable lower mid table finish in a poorish league at a similar level financially as the SPL.
In 2019 it was a toss up between him and Heckingbottom and would have resulted in the same finish whichever had got it! Remember thinking then when the choice was Heckingbottom/Appleton how disappointing it was and I fear this time the final choice will be Clement/Appleton. Either of these will not generate the slightest buzz around Easter Road that we desperately need and I fear it will be more of the same, going through the motions.

[Hibbyradge]

**** sake. Really don't want it to be Appleton.

Why not?

[OldEast]

Don’t fancy Appleton as manager at all, think he’s a very ordinary manager. Yes he had unfancied Lincoln in the League 1 play off final the season before last but has followed it up this season with a very unremarkable lower mid table finish in a poorish league at a similar level financially as the SPL.
In 2019 it was a toss up between him and Heckingbottom and would have resulted in the same finish whichever had got it! Remember thinking then when the choice was Heckingbottom/Appleton how disappointing it was and I fear this time the final choice will be Clement/Appleton. Either of these will not generate the slightest buzz around Easter Road that we desperately need and I fear it will be more of the same, going through the motions.

Not sure how you can conclude that Appleton would have had the same outcome as Hecky. Like you though I hope the new boss won't be underwhelming. We need that buzz as you say.

[04Sauzee]

Don’t fancy Appleton as manager at all, think he’s a very ordinary manager. Yes he had unfancied Lincoln in the League 1 play off final the season before last but has followed it up this season with a very unremarkable lower mid table finish in a poorish league at a similar level financially as the SPL.
In 2019 it was a toss up between him and Heckingbottom and would have resulted in the same finish whichever had got it! Remember thinking then when the choice was Heckingbottom/Appleton how disappointing it was and I fear this time the final choice will be Clement/Appleton. Either of these will not generate the slightest buzz around Easter Road that we desperately need and I fear it will be more of the same, going through the motions.

I seen something yesterday and now cant find it , that Lincoln gave more minutes to players under the age of 23 than any team in the league bar one other team. Not sure if that is the reason they struggled so much?

Edit ... I have found it

https://i.ibb.co/QXn9Xj0/20220504-090721.jpg (https://ibb.co/kM0KM6Z)

[LaMotta]

Getting Sunderland promoted in his first season 15 years ago is literally his only success. Straight failure since then. Was subsequently sacked by them as they were headed for relegation. Then got the Ipswich job with a view to getting them promoted to the Premier League, failed there also and was sacked with them one place above the relegation places to League 1.

Then had a disastrous stint as Ireland number 2 where he consistently fell out with players and became the centre of attention even though O'Neill was actually the manager. It's rare to see a number 2 become the centre of attention in the way he did, and not in a good way. Despite being an Irish football legend literally every Ireland fan was glad when he left the role and no-one would ever want him back.

So yes, I stand by my description. There are few people in football less suited to being a manager than Roy Keane.

I can only assume that the support for him here is based on his playing career and maybe that he's good value ranting and raving as a Sky pundit and that most don't know much about him as a manager. Because, believe me, if they did they wouldn't want him anywhere near Easter Road.

Keane was not sacked by Sunderland he resigned.

He also helped take Ireland to the knockout stages of the Euros which is not failure, its a fantastic achievement.

So yes the previous poster was right that you are making things up.

[Jones28]

Don’t fancy Appleton as manager at all, think he’s a very ordinary manager. Yes he had unfancied Lincoln in the League 1 play off final the season before last but has followed it up this season with a very unremarkable lower mid table finish in a poorish league at a similar level financially as the SPL.
In 2019 it was a toss up between him and Heckingbottom and would have resulted in the same finish whichever had got it! Remember thinking then when the choice was Heckingbottom/Appleton how disappointing it was and I fear this time the final choice will be Clement/Appleton. Either of these will not generate the slightest buzz around Easter Road that we desperately need and I fear it will be more of the same, going through the motions.

How could you possibly know they’d have had the same outcome?

I really wanted Appleton over Heckingbottom last time out, I was disappointed he didn’t come to us.

[Mr. Wonderful]

I seen something yesterday and now cant find it , that Lincoln gave more minutes to players under the age of 23 than any team in the league bar one other team. Not sure if that is the reason they struggled so much?

Similar to us in that they had a tonne of injuries to senior players.

[SlickShoes]

Why are so many against Appleton being considered? What about him is so bad?

Like someone else said the papers have no clue, they rarely do, but even less so now, so I wouldn't believe much of what they are saying in regards to candidates. They probably just read this thread and write an article out of it.

[04Sauzee]

Similar to us in that they had a tonne of injuries to senior players.

Looks that way. Total minutes to players u23 in league 1 by team

https://i.ibb.co/QXn9Xj0/20220504-090721.jpg (https://ibb.co/kM0KM6Z)

[bingo70]

Why are so many against Appleton being considered? What about him is so bad?

Like someone else said the papers have no clue, they rarely do, but even less so now, so I wouldn't believe much of what they are saying in regards to candidates. They probably just read this thread and write an article out of it.

Coming from lower league Englandshire and has a boring name.

[Unseen work]

Why are so many against Appleton being considered? What about him is so bad?

Like someone else said the papers have no clue, they rarely do, but even less so now, so I wouldn't believe much of what they are saying in regards to candidates. They probably just read this thread and write an article out of it.

I looked into him quite a bit the other day and it all seemed really positive with Lincoln fans gutted he’s left.

Plays good attacking football, very good recruitment as he appears to have connections at bigger clubs, develops younger players and is honest in his assessment after games.

People forget how small a club Lincoln are in league 1 and probably have one of the smallest budgets

[Gordy M]

I wouldnt mind Appleton, seems highly regarded and is one of the favs for the Blackburn job at the mo. My only slight concern is that he doesnt know scottish football. I know football should be the same the world over but the amount of managers and players who under estimate the game up here is a lot. Id hate to see him try and sign players who they THINK are good enough for up here and turn out to be not be goof enough. A few of our previous managers(hecky, calderwood etc) have fallen foul of this, as have several managers in other clubs in Scotland.

[JimBHibees]

Why are so many against Appleton being considered? What about him is so bad?

Like someone else said the papers have no clue, they rarely do, but even less so now, so I wouldn't believe much of what they are saying in regards to candidates. They probably just read this thread and write an article out of it.

Personally not against him as he appears to have done well however am wary given what happened the last time and hope he isn't using us to get better job in Championship say.

[SlickShoes]

I looked into him quite a bit the other day and it all seemed really positive with Lincoln fans gutted he’s left.

Plays good attacking football, very good recruitment as he appears to have connections at bigger clubs, develops younger players and is honest in his assessment after games.

People forget how small a club Lincoln are in league 1 and probably have one of the smallest budgets

Yeah from what I gathered that seems to be the case so on paper he seems like a good candidate. If we are being realistic we want to recruit someone like this who is looking to further their career. Some of the names thrown about are out of our league and I think people's view of where Hibs sit in the world of football is a bit warped.

[04Sauzee]

What did happen to Appleton last time? Was it the fact he was trying to negotiate his pay off before he even hot the gig? Was this reported in the red tops we choose to believe sometimes and not others ( include myself in that category) just can't recall where it was reported

[Smartie]

Why are so many against Appleton being considered? What about him is so bad?

Like someone else said the papers have no clue, they rarely do, but even less so now, so I wouldn't believe much of what they are saying in regards to candidates. They probably just read this thread and write an article out of it.

It surprises me too, he sounds decent to me.

I guess it’s probably a combination of the fact that we’re crying out for a bit of excitement and are demanding “a name” so he doesn’t really fulfil that criteria - Roy Keane links may have raised expectations somewhat - and the fact that he turned us down once (even though imo his reasons weren’t that unreasonable).

[SlickShoes]

Personally not against him as he appears to have done well however am wary given what happened the last time and hope he isn't using us to get better job in Championship say.

I think any manager we get is going to be using us as a stepping stone to something bigger, is there even a candidate that just wants to be Hibs manager and stay here forever?

[Brightside]

What did happen to Appleton last time? Was it the fact he was trying to negotiate his pay off before he even hot the gig? Was this reported in the red tops we choose to believe sometimes and not others ( include myself in that category) just can't recall where it was reported

He didn’t like the severance terms on offer. Well within his rights to make that decision too.

[Tambo]

I'm a bit meh at the names getting linked now but it's not my job to decide who's the best man.

Looking at Appleton's record at Lincoln won 55 and lost 55, could be an attacking minded coach as some other posters have said.

We really need to find a manager who can finally get the balance right for the team, we are either shocking at defending and great up top or the other way around.

[McGruber]

I think Appleton would do a good job. Kept a bit of interest in his fortunes after he missed out last time and overall done very well. Some don't have faith in our board's recruitment and pine for the previous regime. Appleton clearly impressed Dempster and co last time out to become preferred candidate. Negatives would be no surge to season tickets as not a household name and some would see it as a come down to the big names bandied about in the press (most of which most likely were never in the running). He would have to get off to a flyer to win over doubters seeing him as a cheap lower league EFL manager/coach (not that I think he would be particularly cheap either).

[JimBHibees]

I think any manager we get is going to be using us as a stepping stone to something bigger, is there even a candidate that just wants to be Hibs manager and stay here forever?

Not suggesting that am indicating don't want him linking himself to us to get better offer elsewhere now as happened before. Personally want us to be a stepping stone to bigger job as it will mean he has done a successful job here.

[SlickShoes]

Not suggesting that am indicating don't want him linking himself to us to get better offer elsewhere now as happened before. Personally want us to be a stepping stone to bigger job as it will mean he has done a successful job here.

Ah right I thought you meant if he was in the job, not just putting himself in the shop window during the application process.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Do many other clubs have a committee that decide on signings or is this something that's come from the MLS?

[Springbank]

Personal view here, but I think Michael Appleton would be a good appointment

Strikes me as the kind of guy who, if a Motherwell or a Dundee Utd employed him, would have them galvanised, organised, attacking and competing for third, and we'd all be saying "why don't Hibs look at these guys"

The fact he's cut his teeth at Oxford and Lincoln and had those clubs' fans wishing they'd kept him is as positive a sign as you'll find, i reckon

[04Sauzee]

Do many other clubs have a committee that decide on signings or is this something that's come from the MLS?

Liverpool

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/how-liverpools-transfer-committee-went-16479508

[TelaStella]

Appleton has appeared as an early possible for the Blackburn job, currently at 16/1 though. Cocu and Mcinnes both at 8/1 and 12/1 respectively too.


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[CapitalGreen]

He’s spent 3 years at both of his previous management roles and left both on good terms - that stands out to me. This isn’t someone who got lucky once, he came into both teams and took them to new heights. His coaching ability has also been recognised by bugger clubs than ourselves with Leicester bringing him just 12 months after being crowned Champions of England and West Brom bringing him to coach their U23’s.

[CapitalGreen]

Do many other clubs have a committee that decide on signings or is this something that's come from the MLS?

Celtic and Liverpool both have a transfer committee.

[LancsHibs]

How could you possibly know they’d have had the same outcome?

I really wanted Appleton over Heckingbottom last time out, I was disappointed he didn’t come to us.

Just an educated guess. Didn’t want either.

[Coco Bryce]

Do many other clubs have a committee that decide on signings or is this something that's come from the MLS?

Brentford

[bingo70]

Brentford

I remember Lyon were quite groundbreaking when they signed players using a transfer committee back when they were successful in the 90s.

[mayo hibee]

Keane was not sacked by Sunderland he resigned.

He also helped take Ireland to the knockout stages of the Euros which is not failure, its a fantastic achievement.

So yes the previous poster was right that you are making things up.

Don't want to labour on this as, thankfully, Keane isn't going to be our new manager but...

Martin O'Neill was the manager that took Ireland to the knockouts of the Euros, not Keane. If we're going to start crediting number 2s for achievements we might as well hire Brian Kidd or someone. As an Irish football supporter I can assure you that those achievements were more in spite of than because of anything Keane did. He was known as an exceptionally difficult character in the changing room and stepped well over the line on numerous occasions. Keane used to have a large support among Irish football supporters from his playing days but he burnt through that support during his time as assistant manager. Nobody in Irish football would ever want him back after the way things went.

At Sunderland he had been backed with a £30m transfer fund the previous summer (a lot for Sunderland at the time) and the target was a top half finish. When he left/quit/sacked/whatever he had them in the relegation zone.

If you think that counts as success I'm glad you're not choosing our new manager.

The only notable achievement Keane ever had as a manager was his ability to consistently unite dressing rooms - against him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don't want to labour on this as, thankfully, Keane isn't going to be our new manager but...

Martin O'Neill was the manager that took Ireland to the knockouts of the Euros, not Keane. If we're going to start crediting number 2s for achievements we might as well hire Brian Kidd or someone. As an Irish football supporter I can assure you that those achievements were more in spite of than because of anything Keane did. He was known as an exceptionally difficult character in the changing room and stepped well over the line on numerous occasions. Keane used to have a large support among Irish football supporters from his playing days but he burnt through that support during his time as assistant manager. Nobody in Irish football would ever want him back after the way things went.

At Sunderland he had been backed with a £30m transfer fund the previous summer (a lot for Sunderland at the time) and the target was a top half finish. When he left/quit/sacked/whatever he had them in the relegation zone.

If you think that counts as success I'm glad you're not choosing our new manager.

The only notable achievement Keane ever had as a manager was his ability to consistently unite dressing rooms - against him.

I do believe the term for assistant managers is ‘cone boy’.

It also carries no weight when considering whether to appoint as a manager apparently.

[LaMotta]

Don't want to labour on this as, thankfully, Keane isn't going to be our new manager but...

Martin O'Neill was the manager that took Ireland to the knockouts of the Euros, not Keane. If we're going to start crediting number 2s for achievements we might as well hire Brian Kidd or someone. As an Irish football supporter I can assure you that those achievements were more in spite of than because of anything Keane did. He was known as an exceptionally difficult character in the changing room and stepped well over the line on numerous occasions. Keane used to have a large support among Irish football supporters from his playing days but he burnt through that support during his time as assistant manager. Nobody in Irish football would ever want him back after the way things went.

At Sunderland he had been backed with a £30m transfer fund the previous summer (a lot for Sunderland at the time) and the target was a top half finish. When he left/quit/sacked/whatever he had them in the relegation zone.

If you think that counts as success I'm glad you're not choosing our new manager.

The only notable achievement Keane ever had as a manager was his ability to consistently unite dressing rooms - against him.

No offence but I'm going to take any of your 'assurances' with a pinch of salt as your posts have been full of fiction and are completely unbalanced. Just because you don't want to see the positives doesn't mean there weren't any.

Also you want to tarnish him with failure for his role as a number 2, but then when a team achieved something it was nothing to do with him? Come on.

He's not coming so it doesn't matter as you say.

[hibee-boys]

I think any manager we get is going to be using us as a stepping stone to something bigger, is there even a candidate that just wants to be Hibs manager and stay here forever?

Has there ever been such a thing at any club bar the top 3 or 4 in the world. If you performed well in your job and a competitor offered to double or triple your wages most people would take that. I’ve no issue with any employee using us as a stepping stone, it’s the one’s who come here and don’t deliver the goods that worry me.